Torpedo Bats, Memories of the “Bush Push” & Justin Thomas Talking Masters

Speaker 1 You mentioned like the Pro-Ams. No other sport has that.

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Speaker 1 To another another episode of Throwbacks. I almost wanted to start with hello, friends, my Jim Nance from the Masters.
Hello, friends. We'll get to that in a second.

Speaker 3 You see, we're an Augusta shirt.

Speaker 1 I'll show you.

Speaker 1 I'll show you what we got. But thanks for taking in the show today.

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We've been reading a lot of mailbag stuff.

Speaker 1 Later in the show, we have another mailbag question we're going to do, but we have a big guest today. Yes, I am wearing, and I'm showing it.

Speaker 1 If you can't see it, if you're listening only, I'm wearing a Augusta 1986 Jack Nicholas t-shirt.

Speaker 3 Your vintage shirt game has stepped up for sure, by the way.

Speaker 1 I have a good vintage shirt game. Shout outs to Omaj and some other companies, 70s Sports.

Speaker 1 I told my wife, Matt, I'm like, hey, babe, we got JT on the show. What do you think she said?

Speaker 3 Justin Timberlake?

Speaker 3 she said oh my god you have justin timberlake on the show i said no no by the way that is not jt anymore in the in the in the almost year not even a year that i've known you it feels a lot longer jerry that's how good that's how great close we get a sign of a good friendship um i have never seen you more nervous excited the tone of your voice the tone of your texts than when it was talking about justin thomas coming on the the show.

Speaker 1 And big shout out. What's your boy's name? What's your two boys' names?

Speaker 3 My boy, Drew Page. Shout out to Drew Page.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Drew. Yeah, so Drew,

Speaker 3 he's going to love this because he's always like, hey, dude, hype me up. Come on, bro.
Come on, bro.

Speaker 1 So, Drew is like one of my favorite people on earth right now. He got us the best.

Speaker 3 So, Drew's on the podcast. Yeah, Drew, Drew's wife and my wife are best friends since college.

Speaker 3 They live like a half a mile from us. Drew lived in Jupiter, where a lot of the guys are.

Speaker 3 Drew played golf at Oklahoma State with some of the guys on the tour. So he was, and he was, he was a pro, whatever.
He works for Scotty Cameron.

Speaker 3 So he and JT became boys out in Jupiter and just played a bunch and stuff. So Drew hooked us up.
JT's awesome. Awesome, dude.

Speaker 1 To talk to us a week short of the Masters, you know.

Speaker 1 And we did the interview already. So if we're wearing different clothes, that's why if you're watching on YouTube.

Speaker 3 I actually put on my Travis College. I did.
Shout out to Travis Coleman.

Speaker 1 Because I didn't want to wear the Augusta shirt in front of Justin Thomas. This is how you know I was overthinking it.
I didn't want to seem like a total nerd.

Speaker 1 So I didn't wear my Augusta shirt for when I was doing it.

Speaker 3 I'm throwing cash on JT to win this fucking battle. Oh, now we have to.

Speaker 1 Friend of the shit.

Speaker 3 Like, if he was happening, we're doing it.

Speaker 3 I don't want to, I want everyone.

Speaker 3 I want people to, the interview is awesome, and I don't want to give it away, but I think we might get some type of special shout out if JT just fucking goes absolutely nuts in the Masters next week.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say anything else. I want everybody to listen to it because it's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 he's a big sports fan he's such a great dude he's obviously one of the best freaking golfers in the world he's playing well right now too i know he you know they won the tgl a couple weeks ago he almost won the tournament a couple weeks ago obviously he fell short but he's still playing really freaking good going into the masters so

Speaker 1 i'm so excited for to talk to him and for some reason i had all my dates wrong and i thought the master started this week i swear to god when we were interviewing him the other day i was thinking like he's in his house Wow.

Speaker 1 He hasn't even left for Georgia yet. Like, what? He's so calm.

Speaker 3 It's probably like the first, it was probably like your first date with Bree, how you were just all over the place. I'm way more nervous, but just

Speaker 3 I was going to say, this is like, I've never seen you like this. I've never seen you like this.

Speaker 1 I'm smitten.

Speaker 3 It's actually quite, it's actually quite funny.

Speaker 1 And we now are in a group text together. And I can't.

Speaker 3 Well, I was about to say we. It's the best thing you ever did for me.
Dude, I know. I was like, I got to put him on this.
He's going to love this shit.

Speaker 1 And by the way, we're going to play golf together at some point, too, which will definitely happen even if it even means we have to go out to florida that's what i wanted to before we and we're gonna we're gonna get to our uh our wendy's uh fresh moment but before i get to that i was thinking about this too with golf and obviously the masters is coming that's really ringing in the golf season for like casual fans for diehard fans you've been watching for a while but the cool thing we talk a lot about this with justin timber justin timberley justin thomas jesus i'm a mess but what i was thinking about too matt as you start to play here or there is there any other situation in the world where you once you get obsessed with golf where you would go hang out with three other people that maybe you barely know or know a little for four to five hours in a golf cart golf is the oh i will go play with strangers i will go play with people i've only met one time yeah four hours i i i can't do that i you'll you'll get i can't do that i can't sit in a golf cart with someone i don't know all right

Speaker 3 sorry bro i will i will i will rip. I will rip.
I haven't had.

Speaker 3 Golf makes me think of vodka lemonades, dude. And I know all the guys listening out there are fucking with me.
It's the only time I used to be a big vodka guy. I switched the tequila.

Speaker 3 It's the only drink I order on the course is a vodka lemonade. And about one and a half in, I am fucking

Speaker 1 well. The new drink that really, I mean, for the last two summers, there's always like a new golf drink every summer.

Speaker 1 Not even like, there's always the canned ones, but transfusions have been the drink of choice on golf. Guys, a little grape juice, a little club soda.

Speaker 1 It's a little,

Speaker 3 yeah. Anyway, I'm trying to raid on your parade.
I'm not a big stranger guy on the golf cart. I think that's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 I mean, the stranger thing, I'm more saying, like, maybe someone you've met one time, right?

Speaker 3 And you're like, well, I just think golf is that sport that, like, like, you, it brings everybody together. It's so freaking hard.
Everybody's kind of on a level playing. Like, it is.

Speaker 3 It's, it's the ultimate, you know, they always say, well, you do business on their social, rip a cigar, talk, like, it it is the ultimate social sport, in my opinion, that makes it very unique.

Speaker 3 And every time I play, even though I don't play a lot, I love that part about it. I love smoking a cigar and fucking having a vodka lemonade and yelling in someone's backswing.

Speaker 3 Like, that's, I just love doing that.

Speaker 1 You yell in people's backswings?

Speaker 3 I mean, it depends on who I'm golfing with.

Speaker 3 You football guys, man. And by the way, I'm not even going to, I'm not even going to.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to give the name of who we have on next week, which is going to be a very exciting week for throwbacks and for us.

Speaker 3 But I have yelled in this guy's golf swing many of times, and he fucking sucks in golf. He's worse than me.
But there's a teaser to next week's guest.

Speaker 1 We're going to get to Justin Thomas in a second. We mentioned too, following, subscribing, all that stuff.

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Speaker 3 We obviously, you know, from Jerry, from you, from entertainment, from me, from sports, but also just being dads at home, man, and just going through the fucking chaos of life. Yes.

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Speaker 1 I got a fresh move of the week for you, Matt. And it's been all the talk.
Baseball season is upon us.

Speaker 1 My Yankees and the crosshairs again, the evil empire, because their fresh move has been torpedo bats, which, by the way, what a ridiculous name for a baseball bat.

Speaker 3 What's worse, torpedo bat or tush push?

Speaker 1 I think tush push still takes the cake as the worst nickname for any professional thing. But torpedo, here's what I'm going to say.
Number one.

Speaker 3 Can I can I interrupt you?

Speaker 3 No, no, no. I want to ask you a question because, again, like I said,

Speaker 3 my Dodgers are undefeated at the moment.

Speaker 1 No torpedo bats either.

Speaker 3 No torpedo bats. I love baseball.
I will get certainly in the mix here as the season gets going. All I've heard about are these torpedo bats.

Speaker 3 I have not read or researched what they are, why they are all of a sudden implemented now.

Speaker 3 So before you go off on your tangent, can you please educate me on why torpedo bats are happening at the moment?

Speaker 1 If anyone listening to is unfamiliar, because you don't watch baseball till September, which I've been guilty of, basically someone within the Yankee organization that believes from MIT, they ran a bunch of tests and they figured out that they kind of just move the sweet spot and stack it.

Speaker 1 They were just basically taking wood from barrel part of the bat and the barrels in a slightly different spot and it does make the bat look kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 And when they, I think they ran a bunch of tests with Volpe maybe in the offseason. And

Speaker 1 yeah, it's a thing. Now, this is available to every team.
This is not exclusive to the Yankees. Like, I don't know if it was Stanton or one of the other Yankees tried it, hated the torpedo bat.

Speaker 1 Aaron Judge has four home runs. He's like second in the league through three or four games,

Speaker 1 not using the torpedo bat. Jazz Chisholm on the Yankees, who was struggling a little bit while in the World Series, is using the torpedo bat and is absolutely murdering the ball.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'm going to say. My advice to everybody yelling who love to hate the Yankees, which is fine, get over it.
Get over it.

Speaker 1 I called my mom in this situation, who's one of the biggest Yankee fans. She's the reason why I'm a Yankee fan, Matt.
Okay. And my mom hates change.

Speaker 1 She does not like the pitch. My mom's the one of the few who doesn't necessarily, she likes the pitch clock, but she needed to be sold on it at first because

Speaker 3 forget about starting the runner. Pitch clock is great.

Speaker 1 Forget about starting the runner at second base in extra innings. So I asked her about it.
She said, you know what, Jerry Charles? she calls me by my middle name. She's like, I don't like it.
JC?

Speaker 3 JC? JC or Jerry? Just for good.

Speaker 1 I remember a time where

Speaker 1 60s when they changed gloves. Like, oh, the first baseman glove is going to be five inches bigger.
And so she's like, as long as it's available to everyone, I don't see what the big deal is.

Speaker 1 Everyone can go use it if you find it works for you. So my mom also, I don't even know if she likes the Yankees shaving.
That's how old school my mom is.

Speaker 1 She like, I mean, she still wants them to shave, I think.

Speaker 3 But I mean, by the way, the Yankees have the shortest porch in the MLB, too. So let's not like.

Speaker 1 Every stadium's different. It doesn't matter.
Yeah. Torpedo bats remain legal.

Speaker 1 So as long as they file the MLB rule 3.02, it states the bat shall be a smooth round stick, not more than 2.61 inches in diameter at the thickest part and not more than 42 inches in length.

Speaker 1 The bat shall be one piece of solid wood. That's the rule in the rule book.
That's it. That's a fresh move, though, because the Yankees got some pop now, baby.

Speaker 3 Jerry, you got to be careful reading that quote again, if you know what I'm saying. okay let's

Speaker 3 don't clip that and

Speaker 3 my I'm gonna since we're going into JT

Speaker 3 my fresh move is just gonna be my golf game and lack thereof and I'm gonna make this brief I played I played the par three little course over at top golf by the house which we are going to play next week okay there's 10 holes Three holes are literally like there's a hole that's 52 yards like it's short There's a couple holes that you're gonna maybe use a nine iron first time I've played golf golf in probably

Speaker 3 since June of last year in Cabo when I played in a tournament. Jerry, I parred five out of ten holes, which it's not terrible.

Speaker 3 It's not bad. I had three holes where I shot a nine on a par three.

Speaker 3 You didn't even take a nine on a par three. No, I didn't even write a six.

Speaker 3 I was like, at that point, I played my agent.

Speaker 3 I took money off him because he's fucking terrible, but I actually felt bad taking the money from him like, dude, I don't deserve the 60 bucks that i won um but my fresh move is that i have to like like this like i keep saying this golf game is just calling me this year it's calling it's calling me to just just to get out there and swing the stick so i i need i need advice on where to start and i and i i'm i should ask jt this but on where i start with my golf game from you do i like is it just getting to the range and just hitting and just getting a feel for the club i feel like i feel like this week i i i lost feel of my clubs you know what i mean that that will happen that happened and i'm like like my pitching wedge is usually like i i have a good pretty good wedge game to be honest with you my chips were awful so i don't know man i'm getting nervous because i want to take your money next week too but i just don't know if it's going to happen here's what i'll say and then and we'll get to jt

Speaker 1 uh because you are an athlete a professional world-class athlete i would suggest to you and you have a baseball background i don't i think driver and three wood and some of those clubs, I think you're going to have an easy time with three word, dude.

Speaker 3 I've never used a three-wood in my life because I can't hit it.

Speaker 1 I can't hit it. Well, but what I'm saying is, I think the learning curve for you with those clubs, you'll be able to launch it.
You're not going to have like a distance problem.

Speaker 1 You're a big, tall dude, right? For you, I think to get those nines away early is go to a range.

Speaker 1 Try to make it for bring your air, bring AirPods so you can pump some music or you could listen to whatever. And just go out there on a nice, sunny day and just like hit those little little 50, 60, 70

Speaker 1 shots and like get into a rhythm and make it fun. Like it's not a workout, but if you go hit a hundred shot, like it's a good way to cap your day.

Speaker 3 I think my problem. So here's my problem though is like I have a pretty, like I have a tight back.
My hips are great. Like no joke.

Speaker 1 Well, you got the two new hips.

Speaker 3 But my back is tight. So I don't have a lot of torque in the midsection.
So like my swing is, you know, like sheer and not over there. That's okay.
You got little shit. Which is fine.

Speaker 3 Yeah, which is fine. I think I swing too hard.
And then like

Speaker 3 someone someone told me, like, hey, just slow down your swing a little bit and be a little more smooth.

Speaker 1 So I love this, though. This is the beginnings.
This is the, as we roll into the

Speaker 1 Justin Thomas interview, this is the I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1 This is the beginnings of someone catching a golf bug. This is it.
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Speaker 3 You know those AI pictures that you see that where everyone's like, like

Speaker 3 my boy Clay Travis is getting crushed with playing a flute online, everything.

Speaker 3 Let's start making some AI pictures of me golfing. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1 All right, well, let's dive in. I like where we're at right now, Justin.
So, yeah, those of us just joining us, Justin, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 1 So, you were saying, too, at one point, like you guys on to, you'll talk in the locker room, like, can you get, was it a hit in the major league game or like a point off?

Speaker 1 I don't think you can get a point off Federer.

Speaker 2 I, no, I think that seems impossible. I think it's, I think it even is like literally returning a serve.
I think it's returning a serve and maybe getting like bat on a ball or something.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of nuances. And then that turn into, okay, if you had,

Speaker 2 you know, penalty kick, do you have a better chance in penalty kicks or scoring in like a penalty shot and all these things? And, you know, you get a couple of those big egos.

Speaker 2 And guys, like, oh, I could make a penalty kick. It's 50-50.
It's like, yeah, that's if you hit the net, it's 50-50, but like, you're not, you're probably not going to hit the net.

Speaker 3 I think it was like, remember, remember Jenny Finch back in the day, the softball pitcher?

Speaker 3 And I think a couple guys went up against her from thought they they could hit her, yeah, yeah, and she's throwing like 70 miles per hour, which is equivalent to like 110 from the MLB, and the guys couldn't touch her.

Speaker 3 It's the same thing. I think, I think hitting a baseball, God, I don't know, Roger Federer, like 120 mile per hour serve.

Speaker 3 I don't even think I could see that

Speaker 3 coming.

Speaker 2 I think I have a better, I think I have a better chance in baseball than I do tennis because I think

Speaker 2 I feel like the luck of

Speaker 2 just, I mean, I could just kind of go like this. And

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that's going to be any kind of hit by anybody.

Speaker 1 But you could leg it out to first base, potentially.

Speaker 2 My chances of getting bat on ball are significantly better than I think.

Speaker 2 And because a tennis serve, it's like, first off, I'm going to be so far back that Feder could expand that that thing coming with. He could kick that thing over my head.
Like, I,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's, it's a. Did you play a lot of tennis growing up or

Speaker 2 like what other any other sports or with god?

Speaker 2 I played basketball like up through middle school.

Speaker 2 And then I realized I wasn't really any good at that. And if I should probably stick to something I am if I want to play it for my life.

Speaker 1 But see, that's the great equalizer with golf. And full disclosure,

Speaker 1 I'm just a golf nut, right? I love the game.

Speaker 1 And that's the funny part about golf is I can go to the same spot as you from 50 yards out and I could blade one and it could run up there accidentally and nestle up next to the hole.

Speaker 1 And then you can go hit this perfect shot that might be like seven feet away.

Speaker 1 That's such a to me, that's always been the fun part about golf is that I could accidentally hit a shot and get lucky, and that shot will make me want to come back and play way more.

Speaker 1 And of course, over time, you'd see how badly I suck. But I just don't think I'm touching any pitches or I still think I could do Matt's thing.

Speaker 1 I think I could complete a handoff, but that's the story for another day.

Speaker 2 During the lock, the MLB lockout, I guess it was like two years ago. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 i live down in south florida so like a you know i got a couple teams that spring train down here but they have a some pretty big baseball facilities and um i've gotten to know some of the guys that that come down through here whether through my trainer or just golf fans or whatnot and and paul goldschmidt that trains with my trainer and i gotta know anthony rizzo pretty well from when he was on the cubs

Speaker 2 would go visit him when i'd go visit my now wife she's from chicago so i would always strategically go visit her during a little cubs homestand and and go watch the games.

Speaker 2 But they were, again, during lockout, they're trying to stay kind of in shape. And they're literally 20 minutes from my house, kind of all staying into it.

Speaker 2 And they're like, why don't you come take BP with us for a day? I was like, I'd love to, but I want to, you know, I don't want to get in y'all's way. And so I go out there.
They're great.

Speaker 2 And I'm taking some BP. And some of the pitchers were there to try to stay fresh too.
And Max Scherzer was there. And they're like,

Speaker 2 do you want to stand in on Scherzer? I'm like, I mean, not really, to be honest.

Speaker 1 It's a great story, though. It's a great story on the podcast.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 it's like, I mean,

Speaker 2 like, again, you guys are here, like, you're trying to stay in game kind of competitive mode. I was like, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 And they said, they're like, look, if you're going to face anybody, Scherzer might be the best. Not only does he have the best control of anybody, but he is the best, probably, especially at the time.

Speaker 2 So we're like, you should. I was like, fuck it.
I'm doing it. Give me.
I'm going in there. And I just, I was not taking any chances.
How scary was that?

Speaker 2 It was pretty wild.

Speaker 2 I got a video. I'll send it to you, Matt.
It's, it was fun, man.

Speaker 2 I would have done that for hours if they weren't kind of in a little bit of a routine. But it was, he threw, I think they clocked like his, um, one of his fastballs at like 94 or something like that.

Speaker 2 It was.

Speaker 2 He threw this, he threw this curveball. I had to miss it by three yards.
Like it wasn't even close.

Speaker 2 I love just seeing your heart rate when you step in and dig in in the the box yeah i'm just kind of like just inching my way itching my way up there but man it was it was so cool do you get a chance to play with those guys like when you in the offseason and stuff i've played i've played some pro ams with them it's it's funny i feel like a lot of the sports are uh very similar like in terms of of how

Speaker 2 although a lot of especially athletes a lot of them just hit these they have crazy crazy speed but they just hit big cuts big slices every baseball player it's kind of similar to quarterbacks where it's like they're

Speaker 2 like they get everything very open or it's like baseball guys that they kind of all

Speaker 2 aim a little right and they slash across it because

Speaker 2 that's what they do forever. I'd say some of the hockey players are some of the best

Speaker 2 kind of consistently of like the crazy speed and somewhat straight, but

Speaker 2 man, it's freak, freak athletes. That's for sure.

Speaker 3 I was going to ask you who's who's the best because you always see like the,

Speaker 3 the Tahoe tournament, right? Where all the athletes play. And I think John Smoltz is kind of one of the guys.
And Tony Romo, those guys are really good non-professional golfers.

Speaker 3 Is there someone that you've played with that you're like, holy shit, this dude is really good? Or maybe they beaten you? Or who's the best non-professional government? A lot of strokes.

Speaker 1 JT's giving a lot of strokes to these dudes if he's losing.

Speaker 3 Some of these guys are good, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, I've played with Romo a good bit. Romo is really good.
I, I would say, just over, you know, if you, if you put all those guys in 10 rounds, he's going to have great chance.

Speaker 2 I mean, Marty Fish is really good.

Speaker 2 But man, if I, I, I still think if when Steph is done playing and he can play more golf, like he just,

Speaker 2 the first, I played with him a couple of times and he just did, did things and like hit those shots where you're like, you,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 you know, you know, freak talent. Like it just, it just crazy good hands around the greens and like just the little subtle adjustments.
And man,

Speaker 2 I think, yeah, if he, if he was able to put more time into it, I think he'd be probably the best consistent amateur, at least athlete-wise, but there's definitely some good ones.

Speaker 1 So that's the other thing that's always fascinated me when I started playing too. You mentioned like the pro-ams.
I've been fortunate enough to play in a few pro-ams, but you know, I'm never going.

Speaker 1 That's how the whole conversation started when you jumped in about me taking a snap. You know, I could play a pro-am with you theoretically, but I'm not going to take snaps with Matt at U.S.

Speaker 1 There's no other sport in the world where I would get the chance to play for four hours with you and talk.

Speaker 1 And what I realized too is, and I've had two interesting experiences with pro-ams, but I was on a golf trip down in Florida this past weekend and one of the guys played in the pro-am with you last year and was like, oh, you're going to love talking to Justin Thomas.

Speaker 1 He's the best, great guy. And then you realize like, oh, we all talk after we play with you guys.
We go back to our boys and we're like, this guy is unbelievable. He's awesome.
We're best friends now.

Speaker 1 It's such a unique thing. No other sport has that.

Speaker 2 It's, it's wild. It's, um, it is.
And, you know, it's, it's just kind of, it's one of those kind of traditions of the game of golf that we have. And, and,

Speaker 2 um,

Speaker 2 you know, obviously bigger sports, they, they don't necessarily need things like that for

Speaker 2 income or for,

Speaker 2 you know, not that, not that it's keeping the tour or keeping the tournaments afloat by any means, but I mean, it's some serious money that they're raising, whether it be for the local charities or whatnot.

Speaker 2 But I always thought Jason Duffner said it best.

Speaker 2 He's like, just imagine, you know, LeBron's out there getting ready for like game six of the NBA finals, and here's, he's got to have a play a fun little five-on-five pickup game against us.

Speaker 2 Like guys that suck at basketball, terrible athletes. And like, yep, we're going to go out there.
We're going to do it for five hours right before you play.

Speaker 1 I realized early on, this is like back in 09 when that Kapalua tournament used to be the Mercedes-Benz. I played with Jeff Ogilvy.
Did not talk to me for four holes, right?

Speaker 3 I'm like,

Speaker 1 I heard he was a nice guy. Birdie's the fifth.
And then he comes right over with a big smile on his face. Like, oh, I love Entourage.
I'm like, dude, you had me nervous.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, sorry, I had to get my bearings. And then you realize like.

Speaker 1 Because that tournament counted for his score. I'm like, oh, you're playing for lots of money and a win, like the first tournament of the year.
And I'm over here like semi-upset.

Speaker 3 You haven't talked to me in four holes and the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've learned early on that I just try not to get in the way and I'm just happy to be out there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, everybody's different. It's there,

Speaker 2 you know, some places are even different than others, but I've fortunately been on tour long enough where the Wednesday is kind of, you know, one of my practice rounds.

Speaker 2 I don't necessarily need to like go there Monday or Tuesday to learn the courses like I did early on.

Speaker 2 So it's just kind of getting acclimated with the course, but I generally will set the tone very early with my pro and group that like, hey, obviously I want you guys to play well.

Speaker 2 I want to play well, but like, this is not make or break my week. And like, we're out here to have fun.
So like, I'm going to, I'm going to make fun of you.

Speaker 2 I'm going to like, we're not putting putts inside of four feet. Like, you guys paid a lot of money to be here.
You don't need to be grinding. Like, let's just have fun.

Speaker 3 and have a laid-back day because you know you'll have the guys oh let me play the back tees with you it's like why why would you want to do that that that doesn't sound fun i usually usually play with a lot of gimmies i get a lot of gimmies when i play 18 holes i'm i'm jt i'm terrible dude i can't i can't play golf it's surprising and our buddy do you want to i want to use it and so so this so our mutual friend drew has inspired me a little bit jerry has really inspired me i'm all over

Speaker 3 this podcast he is all over me and i love i when i play i love playing i just haven't i just haven't like found the itch you know what i mean yeah um but i i'm inspired and you're inspiring me and Drew's, and it's funny, Drew and I have a bet, and uh, Jerry, Drew's our mutual friend.

Speaker 3 Drew, Drew was on the tour with you like early on, right? You guys were together, and then yeah, how did you guys meet?

Speaker 2 We were a couple, a couple years apart in age, but just, um, yeah, he's, yeah, he was good friends with, you know, a bunch of the guys that kind of live down here in Jupiter.

Speaker 2 And it's, I moved down here kind of around the same time he did. And we just, you know, we had a kind of a big group of us that would just either play and hang out and whatnot.
And,

Speaker 2 and now he's, yeah, coincidentally, still he's out working, working for Scotty Cameron. So I get to, now it's good.
I get to boss him around and like exercise.

Speaker 3 That's right. He said, he told me that he would spot me.
He would give me 30 strokes, 30, and still beat me any course that I picked. So I'd have to shoot, what, 100 and 102 or 101.

Speaker 3 I said, I would, I would, I said, dude, I can shoot in the 90s every time. I probably could hit in the 80s, but he, he thinks, he thinks.

Speaker 1 That's annoying about these athletes like him. He picks up one thing and he's like quickly good at it.

Speaker 3 No, I'm not. Okay.

Speaker 3 Dude, we got off the rails here. We had this whole thing, but this is okay.

Speaker 3 Real quick, you, you said something a couple minutes ago, like the traditions of golf. And again, I respect golf.
I enjoyed it. I was obviously a massive Tiger fan just growing up and all that.

Speaker 3 And you just won the TGL.

Speaker 1 And it's not like that. That was so much fun.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we were sending the videos around. It was fun.
It was, I think like. the ultimate fan experiences, I'm sure you could speak to better than us.
And then,

Speaker 3 you know, we're just talking about all these things, like the full swing and just where golf is going. And I think it's really cool because

Speaker 3 it gives us a look into you guys, like the personality, a day in the life, and you can see the shit talking. You can see kind of what you guys go through.

Speaker 3 Where do you see golf going like in the next five years?

Speaker 3 Because I feel like in Jerry's talking about like the trajectory that you guys are on is like this, you know, where we've heard all the shit about the NBA all-star game and this, where I feel like golf is just on this trajectory.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, it's interesting because like the game of golf has probably never been better and

Speaker 2 it is, it's on a massive trajectory.

Speaker 2 And, um, but we just have so much like unknown going on on the professional side of our sport of like with the PGA tour and live and like what when's this deal going to get done?

Speaker 2 What's is it going to get done? What's it going to be? So it's like

Speaker 2 that part about it is obviously frustrating because it's, you know, we're not the NFL.

Speaker 2 It's not like we can just kind of like split up, take like 30% of our fans and, you know, put them over here and, and we're still okay.

Speaker 2 You know, it's, we want to be gaining all of that and taking advantage of this momentum. You know, I don't know.
It's, it's, it's wild. Like, I played, um, I played a pro am with

Speaker 2 Gran Horvet.

Speaker 2 He's a YouTuber, uh, he's a great player

Speaker 2 out in Phoenix. And it was, like, it was mind-blowing the amount of people that were yelling at him.
And I'm just like, dude, don't take this the wrong way, but

Speaker 2 I can't believe how many people know who you are out here. Like, it's, it's, I'm like, it's unbelievable.
And that's, it, it's just, it's weird because I'm,

Speaker 2 it's weird for me. So I can't imagine, you know, like the, the generation

Speaker 2 that, you know, was out on tour before me thinking it's even weirder of like, this is just kind of where it's, everything is going, you know, everything, it's, it's, you know, streaming, having now football games that are on Amazon or on Paramount Plus, whatever it is, or it's like ESPN Plus.

Speaker 2 And then it's,

Speaker 2 you know, guys wearing microphones and stuff. And it is because it's funny.
Full swing is interesting because it's, you know, it is great. And we've, I think, gained a lot of fans because of it.

Speaker 2 But as somebody who's on it, it's like for, I don't,

Speaker 2 I like to, I want to keep my personal life and my wife and family out of it. Obviously, it's their show.
So they rightfully would love to be filming us film this right now.

Speaker 2 You know, they would do anything that I would allow. But just for us personally, I'm like, hey, guys, like, I don't, I don't, my wife doesn't need to sit down do an interview.
She doesn't want to.

Speaker 2 Like, we just, we want to keep this part of our life separate. So once you get to a certain point, you're like, I can only get, I, I got, I'm not that interesting.

Speaker 2 I play golf like 25 weeks of the year. And when I'm not, I'm still practicing golf.

Speaker 2 So, but then, you know, as a sports fan, I'm watching these other documentaries on the, you know, the wide receivers or, you know, the NHL. And it's just like, it's so awesome.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, God, it's so cool. And I'm sitting here.
I'm like, I'm a hypocrite. Like, I'm the one that doesn't want to almost like give it.

Speaker 2 But then it's when I watch it and it's just weird to, to think that that's what people think about us. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, it's, you know, the fact that I could have, you know, two, two people like y'all that are like, yeah, we really love watching full swing and like getting to know you guys.

Speaker 2 It's like, I don't like that. It's hard to almost like resonate and understand that you guys.

Speaker 2 could think or or anybody could think the same about that show that like i thought about you know getting to learn about Debo Samuel on the wide wide receiver show.

Speaker 2 Like, it doesn't, it just doesn't compare to me, but it's the reality.

Speaker 1 No, I got to say, I, I was happy you did it, you know, because you were a golfer I followed for a while.

Speaker 1 But for me, I could tell you, and I feel like there's a lot of golf fans and sports fans out there. I hear you on the family stuff.
I think

Speaker 1 if you like, if your wife's not into it and doesn't want to talk, by no means. And by the way, I don't need to see that.
What I mean is like, I'm tuning in because I love golf.

Speaker 1 I learned a little bit more about it. I'm more into like your mentality when you play.
Seeing you with Speed was super cool. I didn't know you guys knew each other for that long.

Speaker 1 So like, you could still, I think, accomplish the goal with that part of your career because that's so fascinating.

Speaker 1 And like, I always said, even with like entourage and stuff, like that stuff's meant to be judged. Like, you want to say entourage suck.
That's, you could say that. You want to say it's great.

Speaker 1 But the personal stuff's not, if you don't want it to be judged, it shouldn't have to be. And

Speaker 2 I'm glad you kind of drew that line today's day and age too it just it's like how social media has gotten i'm like there's just the the negatives are highly going to outweigh the positives that are going to come from getting you know having them in our house all the time and have it's just like you know it's just it wasn't it's not worth it but um in terms of yeah of how golf's going to be man i don't know i just hope that i i think we have such a core group or i guess age group of fans uh but being able to you know kind of get the younger crowd in and just understanding that keeping the traditions of the game while also, you know, making some change if it needs to be done for the better, that that gets more fans involved.

Speaker 2 And that's,

Speaker 2 you know, at the end of the day, all of these sports, the reason that they are going is because of the fans. And I know that.

Speaker 2 It can't be done without the athletes in particular, but the reason that the athletes are there and playing in the stage that they are are because of the fans that want to watch them type thing.

Speaker 1 So one thing I definitely thought of once I knew you were going to come on, I got excited about, like I mentioned, I was down in Florida on this golf trip.

Speaker 1 I kind of had a real chance on the last day to like win some money and really end it. And I didn't.
So what I found though is hours later, we're all showered up. It was a good time, shake, leave.

Speaker 1 I get on the flight home and I'm still thinking about it. And so I'm imagining I'm like, all right, I'm still thinking about this, this meaningless shit on the plane all this time later.

Speaker 1 Like for you, you know, even if you look at like the Val Sparrow, right, which I watched and I was like, that was such a unbelievable tournament.

Speaker 1 You know, how much time do you kind of give yourself to say like, man, I should have, whether you're saying I should have won that or like, is it, because you have a tournament four days later, you're right back at it.

Speaker 1 Like, do you allow yourself some time to be pissed or whatever your emotions are and get right to it? Or, you know, I just was always curious about that.

Speaker 2 And it's a good question. I think it depends.
depends it's very um

Speaker 2 it's very specific i'd say to what it is but also it probably depends on where you're at in your career like it took me a while to understand that you know that that losing a tournament uh

Speaker 2 could actually be

Speaker 2 could get me gain me more success down the road than actually winning that tournament you know i think you see it often of you know, maybe not like an unbelievable player like a, you know, a Ludwig, a Jordan, whatever, guys, that it's like, they're they're going to be out here and win a lot of tournaments for a long time, but you kind of have a good player that gets out on tour and they win, like in their first 15 starts or something.

Speaker 2 And how often you kind of don't hear a lot from that person anymore because it's like

Speaker 2 you just, unfortunately, going through those failures is how you learn and how you can, you know, I'm sure, Matt, like you went through how many times in games where it's like, God, I know like when it sucks, but it's just once you can actually sit down and just think about it, you're like, okay, next time I'm in this situation, I, you know, I maybe pressed and forced the situation a little bit there.

Speaker 2 When if I just would have like let it happen and maybe not taken this unnecessary risk, whatever it might be, then

Speaker 2 it'll work out. So a tournament like Valspar,

Speaker 2 I was way honestly surprised myself, I was way better after the fact than I thought because I.

Speaker 2 Although I boogie two the last three holes, I

Speaker 2 didn't feel like any of them were from mental. I wasn't like I was shying away.
I wasn't like, yeah, I was nervous.

Speaker 2 Of course I was, but it wasn't a, I didn't feel like I did anything stupid or forced issue-wise. I mean, I, I stick with my strategy and game plan that I had the whole week.

Speaker 2 And it's like, look, I, I did what I did, but he, he birdie 16 and 17 and knows, I mean, it's easy to look at what I did, but I'm like, I,

Speaker 2 this, something like that is way easier for me to get over than like I lost a tournament to Colin Morakawa during COVID. I bogeyed 16 and 18 at Muirfield, and he birdied 17.

Speaker 2 We went to a playoff, and I lost in the playoff. Like, that still pisses me off.
Like, I did not handle that well. Like, I was thinking about winning after I eagled 15.
I'm like, thinking I'm on 16.

Speaker 2 And it's like, you just, you, you get out of that focus. The next thing you know, the tournament's over and I lost.
And I'm like, what the fuck did I just do? I'm like, I just handed this over.

Speaker 2 And so something like that pisses me off way more than getting beat almost.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 Or lack of execution is a lot different than

Speaker 2 the mental clarity or making a mistake because you put yourself in that mistake. It's a lot different than just hitting a bad shot.

Speaker 2 Hitting bad shots happen, but hitting one because you're not committed or you're scared to screw up or you're not in the right mindset. Like those are two very different things.

Speaker 3 The very last

Speaker 3 interception I threw in my career was to Luke Keekly at Carolina, and it was just right in his fucking breadbasket.

Speaker 3 Where's Justin that I live by? What the fuck was I? I just think you, I think my coach looked at me off the field. He's like, seriously? I go, yeah, man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Like, I didn't have an answer for you. It was just, it was just like, I just was, was an idiot.
You said you get nervous. So

Speaker 3 the Masters is coming up and we're like, this has been awesome because we are. Not that we wouldn't root for you, but we are rooting for you, man.

Speaker 3 And good shit happens to guys and people when they come on this pod.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you. Matt's how to charm the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 Luca.

Speaker 1 He's on a run.

Speaker 3 Dodgers pod in the World Series, Lakers.

Speaker 3 I had a baby girl. Like, there's just a lot of shit going on.
We're sending, we're rooting for you, but I love it. Like, the Masters to me,

Speaker 3 I feel like nervous talking to you about it because I can only imagine what it's like. I imagine the mental approach to that tournament has to be a little bit different than some of the other ones.

Speaker 3 Just take us through that week. Is that week similar? Is this week similar than others? Do you approach it? Like, we all, you know, as an athlete, we always say, hey, just approach.

Speaker 3 I played in the Super Bowl. We approached that game the same practice week that we did game three, right?

Speaker 3 You still want to have that approach, but I have to imagine the masters feels a little different.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
I think you said it perfect. It's my caddy and I were actually just recently talking about that because

Speaker 2 it's so funny. Everybody, a lot of people do it for a lot of the majors, but especially the masters.
The first one of the year. It's like it's Augusta.
It's a tournament everybody wants to win.

Speaker 2 It's the biggest life change or whatever you want to call it. But it just the amount of over preparation that's done for it.
Like, right. And I've done it.
I'd be the first to admit.

Speaker 2 And it's like, you know, hey, are you taking any trips this year? Are you going up there? It's like,

Speaker 3 gotta play it. Gotta play it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's like, I've, I've never,

Speaker 2 I'm not this year because I have. I've pretty much done it every year.

Speaker 2 It is, it is nice, like when you're in the beginning of the career to kind of almost like get that all factor out or just like kind of get to know the lay of the the land a little bit.

Speaker 2 But now, I've, I've never left that tournament feeling like, wow, if I just knew this course a little better, I think I would have played it. I'm like, they really surprised me on 14.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 I'm like, no, I just needed to putt it better, or I needed to chip or hit this. Like, it's at the end of the day, it's just golf.
So, but man, it's so, so hard.

Speaker 2 Uh, and I mean, I'm still working on it of like trying to treat it the same and just, you know, not over prepare because I, that's like my, what I struggle with the most is getting to tournaments like that.

Speaker 2 And I'm like the middle of the day on Tuesday, and I'm like, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 3 Like, let's, you're jacked up.

Speaker 2 And it's a day and a half. And I just, and then by that time, you're flat.
It's just, it's different.

Speaker 2 So it's, it's almost like kind of uh tapering a little bit of just, you know, just do a little bit here. And then the facilities are so good.
You feel like you have to be out there.

Speaker 2 And next thing you know, you're like, I just had three straight 10 hour days and I'm exhausted before the week starts.

Speaker 1 yeah i finally found something i could relate to to you on it's definitely not a golf swing but similarly like with acting if you have a whether it's a big emotional scene or whatever like the big scene of the thing you don't you do not on take one

Speaker 1 while we're in a big wide shot that's why i say save it for the close-up right so that's gonna be my words to you for the masters save it for the close-up don't like Guys go hard, take one, take two.

Speaker 1 They're never going to use that. And then by take four, when you're you're in your close-up, you're exhausted.
You're shot. The day should be over.
Save it for the close-up.

Speaker 2 I like that. That's a good one.

Speaker 2 She get that stamped on a wedge.

Speaker 1 Well, look, you know what? When you're putting on the green jacket, just say like, you know what? To Ferrara, I saved it for the close-up.

Speaker 3 I mean, wait, Justin,

Speaker 3 we were talking about this because this is good vibes, dude. We're fucking sending good vibes, okay?

Speaker 3 Tigers shot.

Speaker 3 right the famous shot what is it 20 years we like to do throwback stuff here yeah we like to do throwback stuff so 20 years um geez that was my 20 years i know 20 years ago dude that's hard

Speaker 2 what are you 30 you're young you're 32 i turned 32 in a month yeah so so you were a young buck okay i like almost got in an argument with my wife like a couple weeks ago i was like i turned 31 in a month forgot how old you're 32.

Speaker 2 i'm like

Speaker 2 don't ever say that again

Speaker 2 damn it's like you're right

Speaker 3 wait till you get in your 40s dude that's when really hits the fan

Speaker 3 plenty of time my thing this is just you. And this is, you know, listen, you don't have to do it if you don't want to.
You know, you're not going to be thinking about us, but just the

Speaker 3 like the fist pump and just the just like you showed it at TGL. You guys showed it at TGL, and I was fired up.

Speaker 1 That's horrible.

Speaker 3 Everybody, crazy. But all you guys were fired up, which I love that part about golf.
I love that, man. When you sink a 20-foot pot or you're just going fucking nuts.

Speaker 3 Just if you, if you, if you happen to think about us

Speaker 3 and you, and you totally on your brain to win the masters, a fist pump, and we will win it. I'm telling you, dude.

Speaker 2 I'm telling you. All right.
Hey, I would happily.

Speaker 2 It could be first round.

Speaker 3 Whatever, dude. Whatever.
You're going to be locked in, but it's going to happen. And I'm going to be so fucking fired up.
Have you ever

Speaker 1 tried that chip, that Tiger 20, or like go to the spot and be like, yeah? Because when you look at the clip, too, like the funny thing is, obviously, all the

Speaker 1 scenario, it's like, it's a 90-second clip from like the time he chips it. And then it's so high, it was rolling forever.

Speaker 2 Have you ever had that shot or just messed around in the practice round like let me see if this shot is that difficult i've i've definitely hit it uh in practice it's um it's so hard to put into words how how insane like the it's not it was not a difficult chip to hit inside of 10 feet like it really isn't because of where he is and the slope like it's it's to get it to do all of that and like and just the spin it has to have and like getting the

Speaker 2 and obviously the moment is a whole nother thing but i've hit it over that green a couple of times with that pen and that is not a good place to go. And because it's going down the same slope, but

Speaker 2 kind of like you said, Jerry, like that's the crazy part about golf.

Speaker 2 It's, you know, how many people have gone to TPC Sawgrass and hit the putt from the back of the green to the front of the green because Tiger made it. And it's like, oh, I hit the putt, the tiger hit.

Speaker 2 It's just a wild, wild. I know.

Speaker 1 I did that shot in the dark at Firestone because I'm over in Ohio and they have like a plaque, Tiger hit. And I had seen John Daly like next day because they had the champions tour or whatever.

Speaker 1 And I asked Daly because I'm like, you were there. Was it really that dark? Because the shot, it's 160 yards.
You're in the rough. I guess the rough is thick, but it's pretty open.

Speaker 1 He's like, it was pitch black. So I'm like, okay.
I was like, yeah, look at me trying to debunk Tiger's shot in the dark. I hope he's definitely not listening.
All right.

Speaker 1 I got, we got a few more things and then we'll let you go because you've been very generous with your time. But

Speaker 1 Ryder Cup, I want to pitch you a rule change. Okay.
He's going to, Matt's going to hate this.

Speaker 3 Jerry's all about, he's changing changing every rule of every sport.

Speaker 1 I like to tweak rules. Okay.
I like to try to elevate things. So I pitched this to Joel Damon.
He liked it, but you know, we're talking to someone now who has Ryder Cup street cred.

Speaker 1 So I always get frustrated. I only match play for me is what it's at because you don't want to play stroke play with me.
The numbers look like a phone number. What if we're in the Ryder Cup? Okay.

Speaker 1 And it's you and whether it's Jordan Speed, whoever your partner is, and you win the second hole. Now you're coming up to a really, really hard par three, the wins up.

Speaker 1 And the new rule change comes in where you can defer the T-box to your opponent.

Speaker 3 You could say, you know what?

Speaker 1 Ludwig, or whoever, you got, you know, you guys hit and you get to sit back on a par three. Because like, I feel like I get it.
You want to go first because you want to put the pressure on.

Speaker 1 You win a hole. It's not always the biggest advantage than stepping up into a par three with

Speaker 1 not and your opponent gets more information. Yeah.
So that's my rule change. You could defer the T-box in match play at the right.
If you want, you could still keep the T-box.

Speaker 3 You could defer.

Speaker 1 Love it or hate it.

Speaker 2 It's marinating.

Speaker 2 I don't hate it.

Speaker 3 I think it's the,

Speaker 2 yeah, there's, it definitely was teamsmanship. Yeah, there's definitely some strategy to it.

Speaker 1 Try it at the TGL first, maybe, just, just to workshop it.

Speaker 2 We'll try whatever there, man. It's, we got hammers.
We're throwing stuff. I did people, everybody, all the other players laugh at me when it's kind of same thing talking about rule change.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what if we every week we had like a mulligan, a mulligan token? You just had one, you had one mulligan for a whole week. And people are like, I'm like, what? I'm like, think of how

Speaker 2 you think about when to use it. And I mean, how intense is it if it's, yeah, you.
Some guy maybe misses like a 15-footer, he gets pissed off.

Speaker 2 He should have made it. Yeah.
Like, but it's like, you could have some guy that's, he saves it late in the tournament, like, it'd be pretty interesting. So, I don't know.

Speaker 1 So, your official ruling is though, don't hate it yet.

Speaker 3 Don't hate it.

Speaker 3 Marinating, don't

Speaker 3 he, his expression said it all. He's on the rule change.
It's okay.

Speaker 1 I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 I'll tell him. What was it? What was it? What was it like shotgunning beers at Ryder Cup?

Speaker 2 That's awesome. Oh, man.
It was. Uh,

Speaker 2 yeah, I want to go to that so bad.

Speaker 2 It is, it is a sports fan. You have to go.
You truly have to go. it is it's the the coolest

Speaker 2 i mean it's it's the

Speaker 2 it's the closest thing that we feel to like anything that y'all went through matt you know it's just the the amount of the amount of people the nerves like uh the first t-shot of of my first rider cup in france was the most nervous i've ever been in my life like i i i always say if uh because i hit five wood off the t which when i hit it off the t i don't actually use a t i'll kind of like put a little dent in the ground and just put it on top of that and if I had to use a T, I don't think I could have got them on the T.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't.

Speaker 1 Hands just. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I mean, we're like walking to the T and Jordan and I didn't know who were going to go first. And I was like, hey, I need to go.
He was like, whatever. He, he'd been through that and he knew it.

Speaker 2 And that's why he was a great part. He, many reasons, but why he was great for me at that time is he's like, you know, he knew how nervous I was.
And he's like, you got it. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 It's like, please, I need to hit and get off this T right now. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 Are you more nervous for that than like the masters the first tee off of the masters yeah it's not even close the the rider cup is is another level of yeah it seems like it man oh my god it looks so electric the the i'm getting literally goosebumps just i am too i am too dude you're a rider cup legend though

Speaker 2 it's fun it's just it's it's cool it's like you were talking about the emotion and getting excited like we don't get to do that at tournaments without kind of looking like an asshole and like there you can you don't even realize it like it just it comes out because it means so much and like you're playing for so much more.

Speaker 2 And of course, you know, these guys that you don't really want to play well all year, you actually get to root for.

Speaker 2 Like, I, I want Scotty to get it close and like Patrick Cale to make every putt, and Xander to make it.

Speaker 2 So it's, you know, it's nice to be on these guys' team for a week because, you know, they're tough to beat once we're playing every week.

Speaker 1 It's what got me into golf. And New York, you know, I'm a New Yorker, so I know a lot of my, I have family members already trying to plot their trips to Beth Page.

Speaker 2 It's going to be out of control. It's going to be nuts.

Speaker 3 Oh, he's got me. I'm fired up now, man.

Speaker 1 The last thing we were talking about, too, I don't know. Is this what your boy sent over, Matt? That like the mic.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you play with Jordan a lot, right? You get some MJ rounds in?

Speaker 1 True story?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got to talk some shit, right?

Speaker 3 You would think. What's the most amount of money you've taken from Jordan on the course?

Speaker 3 You know, he's gambling every time.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I mean, people unfortunately get upset when I tell them that I don't think he plays for as much money as everybody thinks. Right.
He just has to play for something. Like it's not.

Speaker 2 Right. It could be a dollar.
Exactly. It's just the fact of, hey, we're not out here just to like play golf.

Speaker 2 We're out here to compete and win. I've taken a couple thousand off of him a couple of times, but he's taken plenty off of me as well.

Speaker 2 He's hard to beat out at Grove. It's definitely

Speaker 2 at his course down. I mean, shit, if I build a course too, I would probably build it.

Speaker 1 Like you did to Grand Horavad at Panther.

Speaker 3 I saw

Speaker 1 that last chip on 18. That was a brilliant moment.
You just knocked it in. He didn't even see it.
And you were talking.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 Yeah, isn't it like he built it?

Speaker 1 Because what does he hit? A fade or a draw, whatever he hits at like most hole, or at least that he has like urban legends about him in golf. And he's a bat, he's like the GOAT basketball player.

Speaker 1 And there's all these stories. You don't know if they're true or false with golf with him.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, he, his short game was unbelievable.
Like his bunker game and chipping and putting, it's, it, it's truly insane. It kind of goes back to like what I was saying about Steph.

Speaker 2 Like I just think a lot of athletes in general, but I mean, especially these basketball players, like just their touch and like their, their hands and how good they are to be able to kind of maneuver and figure stuff out.

Speaker 2 But the holes narrow up the further you hit it. So it's, you know, you kind of, you always have room to bail out, which is fun.
I mean, I think it's good for any amateur golfer, but,

Speaker 2 you know, it tends to pinch in a little bit more where we hit it.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you got to wear Jordans when you're playing with Jordan? Because I know there's so many like walked in on the Shawler Hornets and told everyone at practice, take my Jordans.

Speaker 1 So you guys aren't winning enough.

Speaker 3 Take my shoes off.

Speaker 1 I would feel a lot of pressure. Like I have to pull out my best pair of Jordans I ever owned in front of MJ.

Speaker 2 It's it's funny you say that.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't, because I'm not with Jordan, especially in golf shoe buys, like I, I, I don't wear, don't wear them out there or don't ever wear them, but I, I love sneakers.

Speaker 2 Like I have a lot of, I have a lot of Jordans,

Speaker 2 you know, here that are just that I'll wear out. And just the way that the locker room, everything kind of works, my locker's right next to his.

Speaker 2 And it's the only course I go to that I am like looking in my closet of like, what shoes am I going to wear to the golf course today? Right.

Speaker 2 It's like, yeah, of course, no, I always wear these, you know, these Carolina blue off-whites to the golf course.

Speaker 2 Like, what you sweet, MJ, because I know that if I go in the locker room, they're going to sit outside my locker. And if MJ's there, he's going to see him.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I want him to be be like all right jt it's i i got some respect for that i can't be wearing like some flip-flops or something it's anywhere else i wouldn't care but i i definitely think about it when i go there so we we like to before we close we like to usually when the athletes come on we like to build uh like the perfect athlete for their sport so we did that with uh We did that with a couple people.

Speaker 3 We want to build the perfect golfer with you before we let you go. So

Speaker 1 take yourself out of it.

Speaker 3 You know yourself yourself.

Speaker 1 We know you're the perfect golf. We know what you're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 You broke it down four categories. Drive, chip, putt, and clutch.

Speaker 1 And you could go present or you can go back in the day.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, driving, I'm going Rory for sure.

Speaker 2 I mean, clutch, I'm going, yeah, prime tiger.

Speaker 2 That's no doubt. Putting is tough because I want to do that too.
But statistically, Denny McCarthy is more.

Speaker 2 He is a unreal putter year after year after year.

Speaker 1 Undeniable.

Speaker 3 I got to be honest, I I don't know who that is, but that's see Matt.

Speaker 1 We'll get you there, buddy. We'll get you there.
I know exactly what you're

Speaker 3 going. Chip.
P.

Speaker 2 Reed's got one of the sickest short games I've ever seen. He gets, he's got, I've watched him get up and down from so many, so many different places.
But man, it's I, it's hard to go against Jordan.

Speaker 2 I've, I've, I've played more, just more rounds with him, so I've probably seen it more than I have P.

Speaker 2 Reed or like Phil, but I, it's, it's hard to, I, I, I can never bet against Jordan's short game, so I'll go with this.

Speaker 1 That bunker game, game, too, is nasty. The bunker game's nasty.

Speaker 3 Well, listen,

Speaker 1 thank you for your time. Look, just save it for the close-up.

Speaker 3 That's all I'm going to say here. We appreciate you, man.
Best up, dude. Kick ass at the Masters, dude.
We're rooting for you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 No, I appreciate it. And Jerry, you'll appreciate it.
Jordan and I, we rented a lot of houses over the years together. And like

Speaker 2 before the families came out, we literally would just put entourage beginning. It didn't even matter.
We're like, what season do we want to start this week? Where we want to. And it just would,

Speaker 2 it was, uh, oh, God, it was the best. We just have, especially the COVID weeks where it's like, you couldn't go do anything.

Speaker 2 We just would get back and just, just hammer through it over and over again.

Speaker 1 I feel like you brought up too, when you were doing, shot that thing for Grant Horvat's channel, you were talking about that famous round of you and Ricky and Jordan. Like, do you guys casually,

Speaker 1 I remember watching that in a moment, like, this is, this is the new version of Entourage. Like, these guys are doing it.

Speaker 3 Like, I want to be where they're at.

Speaker 1 I want to be playing golf with them.

Speaker 1 so i've literally had that thought as well and that makes me very very happy to hear because we believe it or not like even though none of us are very good golfers we were always we had like the golf simulator on the show 20 years 18 years ago you know we had mickelson on we were hitting golf balls off the roof like we love golf so it was always it's it's very cool now to get the chance to talk to you and just see where golf's gone from then till now uh so i appreciate that man that's absolutely cool to hear i appreciate appreciate y'all yeah being a golf fan that's what's it's crazy man you i will play these pro ams or go places and it's just like i don't understand like how are you a fan of me or a fan of golf like it just doesn't i think what i don't know if it's just from whatever you do it's but you know it's like obviously that goes around people like oh a big fan i love watching you play it's like no like yeah we all did but it's like golf like really you you like dude you guys are you you guys are crushing man like and just like i said the changes and just the the access that I think a lot of just everyday people and fans get, it makes it, I think it makes it more exciting.

Speaker 3 So we're fired up, dude.

Speaker 3 Thanks for jumping on, man. Yeah, appreciate it.
Hey, Joy, have fun.

Speaker 2 Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Matt, we're going to talk some adventures. Since we had Justin Thomas just on, I have a little fun golf adventure for you, right?

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take you back maybe like 15 years or so. I'm pretty new to golf.
Me and Kevin Dylan ventured down the San Diego to meet Scotty Cameron, the Scotty Cameron.

Speaker 1 He fit us for some putters, and then we went out to play some golf, and it was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 But the whole time, Dylan and I know, like, oh, we're going to be driving back from San Diego at like five o'clock. We're dead.
It's going to be so much traffic.

Speaker 3 All good.

Speaker 1 As we're leaving, we finished the round. We're leaving.
In walks into the clubhouse, Phil Mickelson. Now, the room stops.
Me and Dylan are like, oh, wow, it's Phil Mickelson. Crazy.

Speaker 1 And what does Kevin Dylan do? He's like, I got to go talk to him, bro.

Speaker 3 Of course he does.

Speaker 1 He just heads off. And it hits me out of nowhere.
The very previous episode of Entourage, we take a shot. at Phil Mickelson.

Speaker 1 The actual line in the episode is the Ari character says something like, honey, I got to go. Nikki's melting down worse than Phil Mickelson at Wingedfoot, right?

Speaker 3 Dylan's walking over there.

Speaker 1 It's like slow motion. I'm like, no, I try to stop.
And then, you know, I'm 20 feet away. They're up there talking.
It looks friendly. I finally come in there and like

Speaker 1 shake his hand. And then Phil walks away.
And I asked Dylan, like, what did he say? He's like, oh, he's the nicest guy. I told him he's got to be on

Speaker 1 the show. And he said, you know, I would love to.
It's my favorite show, although I'm not caught up yet on this season. So he has not yet seen the actual thing.

Speaker 1 So the whole drive back, obviously we called Doug Allen. We're like, Doug, Phil Mickelson wants to do the show.

Speaker 1 I'm like, can we figure out a way to shoot with Phil Mickelson before he hears this joke?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 1 end result was he did hear the joke. He still did the show.
And we did ask him when he was on set and like, you know, did you hate that?

Speaker 1 He's like, well, you know, it wasn't great like sitting in bed with my wife watching my favorite show and you guys just take a shot at me.

Speaker 3 That wasn't awesome. But, you know, it was,

Speaker 1 yeah, he didn't really care. He ends up doing the show.
But that whole drive back from San Diego to LA, me and Dylan were like, can we make this happen before he hates us and hears this joke?

Speaker 1 So that was a fun little adventure that involved a little bit of golf for you.

Speaker 3 I love that, dude. I don't have any great golf.
I have a couple great golf adventures, but

Speaker 3 you got some others, though. I got the greatest drive.
So when I think, honestly, when I think of Nissan Armada, I think of my mom. When I think of my mom, I think of USC.

Speaker 3 And when I think of USC, I think about the greatest drive potentially in USC history. USC

Speaker 1 is so much better than my story.

Speaker 3 And when I was thinking about it, I actually, I have to give this speech next week for a USC deal. And this is included in it because a lot of Trojans love just the stories, right? And adventures.

Speaker 3 And so I was going to talk a little bit about the fourth and nine drive in Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 And you know, Brady quinn a little bit now so you can kind of get a feel but we're first down and 10 on our own 20 yard line first play is an incomplete pass second down second play second down i get sacked for a nine yard loss so oh no first down is incomplete yes second and 19 or third and 19.

Speaker 3 We go to the sideline, we get about half back, a little check down to Reggie Bush. It's now fourth and nine.
We call a timeout. I'm on the sideline with Steve Sarkeesian, head coach of Texas.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Lane Kiffens in his year, head coach of ole miss and pete carrolls right there pretty incredible staff and i'm sitting there and actually

Speaker 3 another one another buddy of ours that who's going to be on our show quickly is is was on the sidelines of that game as well um but i won't mention his name at that moment and i'll tell this at that moment it was the loudest i've ever heard notre dame stadium in my life notoriously not a loud stadium cool history tradition but not like a you know like not a not a great home field advantage um i walk back in the huddle and it is just like, boom, you can't hear anything.

Speaker 3 I'm yelling at every, I'm looking at everybody at the eye and I call the play and I say, be alert for this audible if they blitz, et cetera, et cetera. And sure enough, it is loud.
I'm under center.

Speaker 3 Ryan Khalil Hall of Fame center. I'm in there.
I kind of tap him.

Speaker 3 I start to audible and the guys pick up the signs. Dwayne Jarrett runs a slant and go and the ball, lucky, I mean, honestly, lucky, though, the ball just lands right in his breadbasket.

Speaker 3 An inch either way, it's an incomplete pass. We lose.
He gets it. He starts running like a baby deer.
Dwayne wasn't fast. He had long-ass strides.
He got hocked at like the 12, 15 yard line.

Speaker 3 Go a couple plays, and then we score on the infamous bush push game. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And the funny story about the bush push is I'm sitting there and we're on the one, probably the half-yard line, and there's eight seconds left. And if I don't get in, we lose.

Speaker 3 I remember and that they were, they were, we were waiting for the whistle.

Speaker 3 Tom Zibakowski, who was the safety for them, became a professional boxer, like an amateur boxer, like a pretty, pretty good athlete.

Speaker 3 He was right in front of me, like knew I was about to go up the middle. He just knew it.
And I looked at him in the eye. I tried not to look at him.
It's like one of those things.

Speaker 3 I'm like, don't look at him in the eye. Don't look at him in the eye.
I'm coming right. It's like, it's like taking a penalty kick in soccer.
You don't want to look at the goalie, right?

Speaker 3 And sure enough, I snap it. He like.
jumps over like LeVar Aryington style, kind of hits me right there. I do my little pirouette.

Speaker 3 And sure enough, my boy Reggie Bush pushes me in the end zone zone for victory and then a birth in the national championship game in which we lost.

Speaker 3 But that was incredible drive, adventurous, all these types of things, man.

Speaker 3 Brings back great memories just talking about it.

Speaker 3 It's one of those things, if you're a college football fan or you just watched, it's like one of those where everybody's like, I remember where I was when the Bush push happened. Yes.

Speaker 1 I believe,

Speaker 1 because we weren't shooting at that point, because what is it?

Speaker 3 Was that like December?

Speaker 3 October 2005?

Speaker 1 So we may have still been shooting. Usually we start finishing right around then, but I was definitely in LA.
Definitely. Well, I believe I watched that game.

Speaker 1 I might have watched it with Max Greenfield, by the way. 05.
I might have watched it with Friend of the Show.

Speaker 3 I was in the basement.

Speaker 1 No, it was Entourage Days. It was Entourage Days.
But yeah, I think we watched it there. My God.
So OFAS, you're 19, 20?

Speaker 3 I was a senior, so I was 21. I was fifth year.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of 21-year-olds doing that.

Speaker 1 Well, shout outs to Nissan. Those are two adventurous stories.
We'll have more each and every episode. Let's do a mailbag.

Speaker 1 And I had a little sneak preview of this one, so I kind of know what was coming. So, Dan in Los Angeles writes, What's up, guys? You know, sad to see that Val Kilmer passed away this week.

Speaker 1 What a legend. Just curious what your favorite roles were of his and if you guys ever crossed paths.
Yes, obviously, saw the news.

Speaker 1 You know, heart goes out to his family. It's so sad that He was sick for a while.
Legend. But, you know, I had the chance to work with him back in 04 on Entourage.

Speaker 1 And he has one of the, you can't even call it. So cameos are when people come play themselves.
It was like a cameo, but he was the only one playing a character. And I even was like texting with Doug.

Speaker 1 I don't even think Doug Allen believed that he was actually going to show up. We were just told he's going to show up.
He's going to play this Sherpa character. He's going to come in character.

Speaker 1 Be ready. It's like maybe he does.
This is season one, episode four. Like it was very, very, very hard to get anyone to be on entourage.
That's why I give shout outs to Ali Lauder back in the day.

Speaker 1 Jessica Alba came on early. So Val comes on, and it was the first time I was 23 years old.

Speaker 1 You know, you always heard about method acting and method actors, and I've taken classes, but the first time I ever saw someone show up in character, and for not one second did Val Kilmer break character as the Sherpa.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, he probably got the script the night before.

Speaker 3 What was that like?

Speaker 1 God, he was just saying, at one point, he just looks at me. He's like, turtle, you're a dove.
You're a turtle dove. And then, like, pulls out a gun on.
All this stuff is just happening.

Speaker 1 It was like one of the cool parts back then where, you know, you just knew like all you got to do is just listen, know your character, and just go where he takes you because he's going to take you on a ride.

Speaker 3 When he's done, when he's done shooting that scene, does he break?

Speaker 1 And you're like, I never saw him break. You never saw him break.
I texted some of the guys.

Speaker 1 No one is on record saying at some point he took off the beard beard and hat and was like, hey guys, it's Val. Nice to meet you.
That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 That never happened.

Speaker 1 And what weird is like, Kevin Dylan was in the doors with Val Kilmer, which is arguably

Speaker 1 maybe his best.

Speaker 1 We'll talk some of his favorite movies now. But, you know, he played Jim Morrison in the doors.
Kevin Dillon was like the second. He played John Densmore as the second or third lead in that movie.

Speaker 1 And he didn't even break to say like hello to Dylan, I don't think.

Speaker 3 I mean, he's, he's, if you, you know, obviously you've kind of seen the whole list of movies this week after his passing and and you just realize like one of like legendary like he was a legendary actor that crossed right decades and decades and generations.

Speaker 3 My

Speaker 1 two favorite yes, give me your give me your two

Speaker 1 to standouts for you personally, though.

Speaker 3 Just for me personally, like he's probably had better performances than some other ones, but Top Gun is like my top three movie. That's my top three favorite movie of all time.
It just is.

Speaker 3 And even the remake, the sequel, which just came out less than a couple of years ago, where Val actually played a very

Speaker 1 people tearing in the theater.

Speaker 1 I saw that in the theater. That got a lot of people.

Speaker 3 That's just one of my favorite movies. So I just always remember Iceman and all that.
And then

Speaker 3 Tombstone is probably

Speaker 3 top five favorite movie of mine as well. And one of the best movies.
And just like, I'm your Huckleberry.

Speaker 3 Like, it's like, and while he's literally white and pale and sick in that movie, he's just legendary. Obviously, his Batman role was very good.

Speaker 3 Like, like, Heat was good, but like, those are my two favorites. So we lost a good one, man.
That's for sure.

Speaker 1 Heat stands out. Well, also, Heat is just such an iconic movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 To be that good in an iconic movie, like the scene stealer in a movie like that is as high level as it gets.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Top Gun, Batman, you know, Jim Morrison at the doors.
Then he played like John Holmes in Wonderland, another stud one. Here's a sneaky one people forget about.

Speaker 1 I'm a big true romance guy, another Tarantino script. True romance is an awesome movie.
He was Elvis in True Romance, like the alter ego for Christian Slater's character. He was Elvis.

Speaker 1 Like you never really actually even saw him. So, you know, obviously, you know, you send love to his family.
It sucks.

Speaker 1 He was pretty sick for a while, but I just don't think they're going to make him like that anymore.

Speaker 1 In terms of just the acting part, you know, I never got to know him personally, but I just something about that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that kind of actor, which you know better than me, but just like, just the roles he played, he was just, he was like, like, when you you heard Val Kilmer, like, damn, like, he's just, he was a legend.

Speaker 3 Like, and, and you saw it in his roles and how he acted. And, and, and you never really heard a lot about him off screen.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like, he just was kind of like, you showed up and you saw him be like, damn, like, he's, he's as talented as they come. And you never really like, he was out of the news, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like, you just never heard outside of the world other than acting, which I think made this more, kind of a more aura about him, you know? So, yep. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't want to go out on a, on a low note, but, you know, and then also, if you just want to see some live, go back, anyone out there, or even go on YouTube.

Speaker 1 Just pull up the Val Kilmer highlights of his time on Entourage. Some of the craziest things.

Speaker 3 I'm going to pull that up. We got to clip that on the page.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he had some

Speaker 1 crazy. So, Matt, I am coming to L.A.
We are going to be in person next week. We have a big lineup of guests.
We're going to do some fun stuff. So, next time I see you.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll text you 10 million times before then, but maybe you'll FaceTime me 14 times. But next time I actually see you, we will be in person in L.A.

Speaker 3 Yes, Yes, dude, let's go. Can't wait.
We got a full, we got a full week, buddy.

Speaker 1 Get ready, gotta get to work. All right, take care, everyone.
Thank you.