Torpedo Bats, Memories of the “Bush Push” & Justin Thomas Talking Masters

You mentioned like the pro-ams. No other sport has that.

Just imagine, you know, LeBron's out there getting ready for like game six of the NBA finals,

and he's got to have a fun little five-on-five pickup game against guys that suck at basketball.

We're going to do it for five hours right before you play.

Welcome to another episode of throwbacks i almost wanted to start with hello friends my gymnast from the masters hello friends we'll get to that in a second uh you see wearing an augusta shirt i'll show you um i'll show you what we got but uh thanks for taking in the show today. Everybody, just if you can subscribe on YouTube, follow on Apple and Spotify, all our socials at Throwback Show.
Email us, feedback at Throwback Show. We've been reading a lot of mailbag stuff.
Later in the show, we have another mailbag question we're going to do. But we have a big guest today.
Yes, I am wearing, and I'm showing it. If you can't see it, if you're listening only, I'm wearing a Augusta 1986 Jack Nicklaus t-shirt.
Your vintage shirt game has stepped up for sure, by the way. I have a good vintage shirt game.
Shout outs to Homage and some other companies, 70 Sports. I told my wife, Matt, I'm like, hey, babe, we got JT on the show.
What do you think she said? Justin Timberlake? She said, oh my God, you have Justin Timberlake on the show. I said, no, no.
By the way. That is not JT anymore.
In the almost year, not even a year that I've known you, it feels a lot longer, Jerry. That's how close we've become.

It's a sign of a good friendship.

I have never seen you more nervous, excited,

the tone of your voice, the tone of your texts than when it was talking about Justin Thomas

coming on the show.

And big shout out.

What's your boy's name?

What's your two boys' names?

My boy, Drew Page. Shout out to Drew Page thank you drew yeah so drew he's gonna love this because he's always like hey dude hype me up come on bro come on so drew is like one of my favorite people on earth right now he got us justin thomas on the pod yeah drew uh drew's wife and my wife are best friends since college like They live like a half a mile from us.

Drew lived in Jupiter where a lot of the guys are.

Drew played golf at Oklahoma State with some of the guys on the tour.

So he was, and he was a pro, whatever.

He works for Scotty Cameron.

So he and JT became boys out in Jupiter

and just played a bunch and stuff.

So Drew hooked us up.

JT's awesome.

Awesome, dude.

Awesome, dude.

Talk to us a week short of the Masters,

you know,

and we did the interview already,

so if we're wearing different clothes,

that's why if you're watching on YouTube.

I actually put on my Travis Matthew.

Shout out to Travis Matthew.

Because I couldn't,

I didn't want to wear the Augusta shirt

in front of Justin Thomas.

This is how you know I was overthinking it.

I didn't want to seem like a total nerd.

So I didn't wear my Augusta shirt

for when I was interviewing Justin Thomas. I'm throwing cash on Jt to win this fucking oh now we have to friend of the shit like if he wins we're doing and i don't want i want everyone i want people the interview is awesome and i don't want to give it away but i'm i think we might get some type of special shout out if jt just fucking goes absolutely nuts in the masters next week i'm not going to say anything else i want everybody to listen to it because it's phenomenal he's he's a big sports fan he's such a great dude he's obviously one of the best freaking golfers in the world he's playing well right now too i know he you know they won the tgl a couple weeks ago he almost won the tournament a couple weeks ago obviously he fell short but he's still playing really freaking good going into the masters so i'm so excited for to talk to him for some reason i had all my dates wrong and i thought the master started this week i swear to god when we were interviewing him the other day i was thinking like he's in his house wow he hasn't even left for for georgia yet like what he's so calm it's probably like the first it's probably like your first date with Bree how you were just all over the place.
I'm way more nervous with Justin Thomas. I was going to say, I've never seen you like this.
I've never seen you like this. I'm smitten.
It's actually quite funny. And we now are in a group text together.
Well, I was about to say it's the best thing you ever did for me. Dude, I know.
I was like, I got to put him on this. He's going to love this shit.
And by the way, we're going to play golf together at some point too, which will definitely happen. Even if it means we have to go out to Florida.
That's what I wanted to, before we, and we're going to get to our Wendy's fresh moment. But before I get to that, I was thinking about this too with golf.
And obviously the Masters is coming. That's really ringing in the golf season for like casual fans for diehard fans you've been watching for a while but the cool thing we talk a lot about this with justin timberl justin timberl justin thomas jesus i'm a mess but what i was thinking about too matt as you start to play here or there is there any other situation in the world where you once you get obsessed with golf where you would go hang out with three other people that maybe you barely know or know a little for four to five hours in a golf cart.
Golf is the, oh, I will go play with strangers. I will go play with people I've only met one time for four hours.
I can't do that. I can't sit in a fucking golf cart with someone I don't know.
Sorry, bro. I will rip.
I haven't had... Golf makes me think of vodka lemonades, dude.
And I know all the guys listening out there are fucking with me. It's the only time I used to be a big vodka guy.
I switched to tequila. It's the only drink I order on the course is a vodka lemonade.
about one and a half in i am fucking well the new drink that really i mean for the last two summers there's always like a new golf drink every summer not even like there's always the canned ones but transfusions have been the drink of choice on golf that's a little grape juice a little club soda it's a little uh yeah anyway sorry to rate your parade. I'm not a big stranger guy on the golf cart.
I think that's kind of weird. I mean, the stranger thing, I'm more saying like maybe someone you've met one time.
Right. And you don't know very well.
Golf is that sport that, that like, like you, it brings everybody together. It's so fricking hard.
Everybody's kind of on a level playing. I guess it is.
It's, it's the ultimate, you know, they always say, well, you do business on their social, rip a cigar. It is the ultimate social sport in my opinion that makes it very unique.
And every time I play, even though I don't play a lot, I love that part about it. I love smoking a cigar and fucking having a vodka lemonade and yelling in someone's backswing.
I just love doing that. You yell in people's backswings? I mean, it depends on who I'm golfing with, but yes.
You football guys, man. And by the way, I'm not even gonna, I'm not even gonna, I'm not gonna give the name of who we have on next week, which is gonna be a very exciting week for throwbacks and for us.
But I have yelled in this guy's golf swing many of times and he fucking sucks in golf. He's worse than me.
But there's a teaser to next week's guest. We're going to get to Justin Thomas in a second.
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I got a Fresh Move of the Week for you, Matt. It's been all the talk.
Baseball season is upon us. My Yankees in the crosshairs again, the evil empire, because their fresh move has been torpedo bats, which by the way, what a ridiculous name.
What's worse, torpedo batter or tush push? I think tush push still takes the cake is the worst nickname for any professional thing, but torpedo, here's what I'm going to say. Number one, can I, can I, can I get in I interrupt? No, no, no.
I'm going to ask you a question because again, like I said, uh, my Dodgers are undefeated at the moment and no torpedo bats either. No torpedo, no, no torpedo bats.
I love baseball. I will get certainly in the mix here as the season gets going.
All I've heard about are these torpedo bats. I have no, I have not read or researched what they are, why they are all of a sudden implemented now.
So before you go off on your tangent, can you please educate me on why torpedo bats are happening at the moment? If anyone listening to is unfamiliar, cause you don't watch baseball till September, uh, which I've been guilty of basically someone within the Yankee organization that believes from MIT, they ran a bunch of tests and they figured out that they kind of just move the sweet spot and stack it. They were just basically taking wood from another part of the bat and the barrels in a slightly different spot.
And it does make the bat look kind of crazy. And when they, I think they ran a bunch of tests with Volpe maybe in the off season and and yeah it's a thing now every this is available to every team this is not exclusive to the yankees like i don't know if it was stanton or one of the other yankees tried it hated the torpedo bat aaron judge has four home runs he's like second in the league through three or four games which not using the torpedo bat yeah jazz chisholm on the yankees who was struggling a little bit while while in the World Series, is using the torpedo bat and is absolutely murdering the ball.
Here's what I'm going to say. My advice to everybody yelling who love to hate the Yankees, which is fine, get over it.
Get over it. I called my mom in this situation.
She's one of the biggest Yankee fans. She's the reason why I'm a Yankee fan, Matt.
And my mom hates change. She does not like to pit.
My mom's the one of the few doesn't necessarily, she likes the pitch clock, but she needed to be sold on it at first because pitch clock is great. Forget about starting the runner at second base and extra innings.
So I asked her about it. She said, you know what, Jerry Charles, she calls me by my middle name.
She's like, I don't love it. JC.
JC.c jc but she said i remember a time where 60s when they changed gloves like oh the first basement gloves gonna be five inches bigger and so she's like as long as it's available to everyone i don't see what the big deal is everyone can go use it if you find it works for you so my mom also i don't even know if she likes the yankees shaving. That's how old school my mom is.
I mean, she still wants them to shave, I think. By the way, the Yankees have the shortest porch in the MLB too.
So let's not like- Every stadium's different. It doesn't matter.
Yeah. Torpedo bats remain legal.
So as long as they follow the MLB rule 3.02, which states, the bat shall be a smooth round stick, not more than 2.61 inches in diameter at the thickest part and not more than 42 inches in length. The bat shall be one piece of solid wood.
That's the rule in the rule book. That's it.
That's a fresh move though, because the Yankees got some pop now, baby. Jerry, you got to be careful reading that quote again, if you know what I'm saying.
Okay. Don't clip that in social, please.
I'm going to, since we're going into JT, my fresh move is just going to be my golf game and lack thereof. And I'm going to make this brief.
I played the par three little course over at Topgolf by the house, which we are going to play next week. Okay.
There's 10 holes. Three holes are literally, like there's a hole that's 52 yards.
Like it's short.

There's a couple of holes that you're going to maybe use a nine iron. First time I've played golf in probably, uh, since June of last year in Cabo, when I played in a tournament, Jerry, I parred five out of 10 holes, which is not terrible.
So no, it's not terrible. It's not bad.
I had three holes where I shot a nine

on a par three.

And my freshman-

Shouldn't even take a nine on a par three. No, I didn't even write it down.
I was like, at that point, I played my agent. I took money off him because he's fucking terrible, but I actually felt bad taking the money from him.
I'm like, dude, I don't deserve the 60 bucks that I won. But my fresh move is that I have to like this, like I keep saying this golf game is just calling me this year.
It's calling, it's calling me to just, just to get out there and swing the stick. So I need, I need advice on where to start.
And I, and I, I should ask JT this, but on where I start with my golf game from you, do I like, is it just getting to the range and just hitting and just getting a feel for the club?

I feel like this week I lost feel of my clubs.

You know what I mean?

That will happen.

That happened.

And I'm like, my pitching wedge is usually like,

I have a pretty good wedge game, to be honest with you.

My chips were awful.

So I don't know, man.

I'm getting nervous.

Because I want to take your money next week too,

but I just don't know if it's going to happen. Here's what I'll say.
And then, and we'll get to JT, uh, because you are an athlete, a professional world-class athlete, I would suggest to you and you have a baseball background. I don't, I think driver and three wood and some of those clubs, I think you're going to have an easy time with three word dude.
I've never used a three wood in my life. Cause I can't hit it.
I can't hit it. Well, but what I'm saying is I think the learning curve for you with those clubs, you'll be able to launch it.
You're not going to have like a distance problem. You're a big, tall dude, right? For you, I think to get those nines away early is go to a range, try to make it for bring your air, bring AirPods.
So you could pump some music or you can listen to whatever and just go out there on a nice sunny day and just like hit those little 50, 60, 70 yard shots and like get into a rhythm and make it fun. Like it's not a workout, but if you go hit 100 shot, like it's a good way to cap your day.
I think my problem, so here's my problem though, is like I have a pretty, like I have a tight back. My hips are great.
Like great like no joke well you got the two new hips but my but my back is tight so i don't have a lot of torque in the right in the mid so like my swing is you know like sure here and not over there okay you got which is fine yeah which is fine i think i swing too hard and then like someone someone told me like hey just slow down your swing a little bit and be a little more smooth. So I love this though.
This is the beginnings. This is the, as we roll into the Justin, Justin Thomas interview, I'm sorry.
I mean, you're teasing next week is what you're doing. This is the beginnings of someone catching a golf bug.
This is it. You're watching it in real time.
It's hard. Everyone tweeted Matt liner at at Matt Leiner, just berate him with golf stuff.

You're going to get into the Masters. You know those AI pictures that you see that where everyone's

like, my boy Clay Travis is getting crushed with playing a flute online, everything.

Let's start making some AI pictures of me golfing. Let's do it.
Let's do it. And let's get to Mr.
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I like where we're at right now, Justin. So yeah, those of us just joining us, Justin, thank you for joining us.
So you were saying too, at one point, like you guys, until you'll talk in the locker room, like, can you get, was it a hit in the major league game or like a point off?

I don't think you can get a point off Federer. No, I think that seems impossible.
I think it's, I think it even is like literally returning a serve. I think it's returning a serve and maybe getting like bat on a ball or something.
There's, there's a lot of nuances. And then that turned into, okay, if you had a penalty kick, do you have a better chance

of penalty kicks or scoring in a penalty shot and all these things? You get a couple of those big egos. The guy's like, oh, I can make a penalty kick.
It's 50-50. It's like, yeah, that's if you hit the net.
It's 50-50, but you're probably not going to hit the net. I think it was like, remember Jenny Fin finch back in the day the softball pitcher and i think a couple guys went up against her from thought they could hit her yeah yeah and she's throwing like 70 miles per hour which is equivalent to like 110 from the mlb and the guys couldn't touch her it's the same i think i think hitting a baseball god i don't know roger federer like 120 mile per hour serve i i don't even think i could see that you coming.
I think I have a better chance in baseball than I do tennis. Because I think, I feel like the luck of just, I mean, I could just kind of go like this.
And I'm not saying that's going to be any kind of hit by any means. But you could leg it out to first base, potentially.

My chances of getting bat on ball are significantly better than I think.

Because a tennis serve, it's like, first off, I'm going to be so far back that Federer could just dump it.

The spin that that thing's coming with?

Or he could kick that thing over my head.

Did you play a lot of tennis growing up?

Any other sports or was golf life? I played basketball up through middle school. yeah, it's, it's, did you play a lot of tennis growing up or like what other,

any other sports or was golf?

I played basketball like up through middle school.

Um, and then I, I realized I wasn't really any good at that.

And if I should probably stick to something I am,

if I want to play it for my life.

But see, that's the great equalizer with golf and full disclosure.

I'm, I'm just a golf nut, right?

I love the game.

And that's the funny

part about golf is I can go to the same spot as you from 50 yards out and I could blade one and it could run up there accidentally and nestle up next to the hole. And then you can go hit this perfect shot that might be like seven feet away.
That's such a, that to me, that's always been the fun part about golf is that I could accidentally hit a shot and get lucky. And that shot will make me want to come back and play way more.
And of course, over time, you'd see how badly I suck, but, uh, I just don't think I'm touching any pitches or I still think I could do Matt's thing. I think I could complete a handoff, but that's the story for another day.

During the MLB lockout, I guess it was like two years ago.

I live down in South Florida.

So I got a couple of teams that spring trained down here,

but they have some pretty big baseball facilities.

And I've got to know some of the guys that come down through here,

whether through my trainer or just golf fans or whatnot.

And Paul Goldschmidt trains with my trainer. And I've got to know Anthony Rizzo pretty well from when he was on the Cubs.
Yeah, that's my guy. When I go visit my now wife, she's from Chicago.
So I would always strategically go visit her during a little Cubs homestand and go watch the games. But they were, again, they're locked out.
They're trying to stay kind of in shape. And they're literally 20 minutes from house, kind of all staying into it.
And they're like, why don't you come take BP with us for a day? I was like, I'd love to, but I want to, you know, I don't want to like get in y'all's way. And so I go out there, they're great.
And I'm taking to BP and, and some of the pitchers were there to try to stay fresh too. And, uh, Max Scherzer was there and they're like, do you want to, do you want to stand in on Scherzer? I'm i mean not really to be honest it's a great story though it's a great story on the podcast well uh it's like i mean like again you guys are here like you're trying to stay in game kind of competitive mode i was like i don't want to and they said they're like look if you're gonna face anybody scherzer might be the best not only does he have the best control of anybody but he is the best probably especially at the time they were like you should i was like fuck it i'm doing it give me i'm going in there and i just i was not taking any touches i was scary was that it was pretty wild i got it i got a video i'll send it to you matt it's uh it fun, man.
I would have done that for hours if they weren't in a little bit of a routine. I think they clocked one of his fastballs at 94 or something like that.
He threw this curveball. I had to miss it by three yards.
It wasn't even't even close i love to see your heart rate when you step in and dig in in the box just kind of like it's inching my way itching my way up there but man it was it was so cool do you get a chance to play with those guys like when you in the offseason and stuff i've played i played some programs with them it's it's funny i feel like a lot of the sports are, uh, very similar, like in terms of how, uh, although a lot of, especially athletes, a lot of them just hit these, they have crazy, crazy speed, but they just hit big cuts, big slices. Every baseball player, it's kind of similar to quarterbacks where it's like, they're like, they get everything.
Yeah. Very open.
Or it's like baseball guys that guys they they kind of all you know aim a little right and they slash across it because you know that's what what they do forever i'd say some of the hockey players are some of the best kind of consistently of of like the crazy speed and somewhat straight but um but man that it's freak freak athletes that's for sure i was gonna i was gonna ask you who's who's the best because you always see like the, but man, it's freak athletes, that's for sure. I was going to ask you, who's the best? Because you always see the Tahoe tournament, right, where all the athletes play, and I think John Smoltz is kind of one of the guys, and Tony Romo, those guys are really good non-professional golfers.
Is there someone that you've played with that you're like, holy shit, this dude is really good, or maybe they've beaten you or like who's the best non-stroke strokes jt's giving a lot of strokes to these dudes if he's losing some of these guys are good man i mean i've played with romo a good bit romo is really good i i would say just over you know if you if you put all those guys in 10 rounds he's gonna have great chance great chance. I mean, Marty Fish is really good.
Yeah. But, man, I still think when Steph is done playing and he can play more golf, he just...
I played with him a couple times, and he just did things and hit those shots where you're like, you know... You know.
You. Like it just, it just crazy good hands around the greens and like just the, the little subtle adjustments and, and man, uh, I think, yeah, if he, if he was able to put more time into it, I think he'd be probably the best consistent amateur, at least athlete wise, but there's, there's definitely some good ones.
So that's the other thing that's always fascinated me when I started playing too. You mentioned like the pro-ams I've been fortunate enough to play in a few pro-ams, but you know, I'm never going, that's how the whole conversation started when you jumped in about me taking a snap, you know, I could play a pro-am with you theoretically, but I'm not going to take snaps with Matt at US.
There's no other sport in the world where I would get the chance to play for four hours with you and talk. And what I realized too is, and I've had two interesting experiences with pro-ams, but I was on a golf trip down in Florida this past weekend.
And one of the guys played in the pro-am with you last year and was like, oh, you're going to love talking to Justin Thomas. He's the best, great guy.
And then you realize like, oh, we all talk after we play with you guys. We go back to our boys and we're like, this guy is unbelievable.
He's awesome. We're best friends now.
It's such a unique thing. No other sport has that.
It's wild. It is.
It's one of those kind of traditions of the game of golf that that we have and and um you know obviously bigger sports they don't necessarily need things like that for for income or for you know not that not that it's keeping the tour or keeping the the tournaments afloat by any means but i mean it's it's some serious money that they're they're raising whether it be for the local charities or whatnot but i always thought jason jason duffner said it best he's like just imagine you know lebron's out there getting ready for like game six of the nba finals and here's he's got to have a play a fun little five on five pickup game against us like guys that suck at basketball terrible athletes and like yep we're gonna go out're going to go out there. We're going to do it for five hours, right? Before you play.
I realized early on, this is like back in 09 when that Kapalua tournament used to be the Mercedes Benz. I played with Jeff Ogilvie.
Did not talk to me for four holes, right? I'm like, I heard he was a nice guy. Birdie's the fifth.
And then he comes right over with a big smile on his face. oh, I love Entourage.
I'm like, dude, you had me nervous. He's like, oh, sorry, I had to get my bearings.
And then you realize, because that tournament counted for his score. I'm like, oh, you're playing for lots of money and a win, like the first tournament of the year.
And I'm over here like semi-upset you haven't talked to me in four holes. And the whole thing, yeah, I've learned early on that um i just try not to get in the way and i'm just happy to be out there yeah everybody's different it's there um you know some places are even different than others but i've fortunately been on tour long enough where the wednesday is kind of you know one of my practice rounds i don't necessarily need to like go there monday or tuesday to learn the courses like i did early on so it's just kind of getting acclimated with the course but i generally will set the tone very early with my pro and group that like hey obviously i want you guys to play well i want to play well but like this is not make or break my week and like we're out here to have fun so like i'm gonna i'm gonna make fun of you i'm going to like we're not putting putts inside of four feet like you guys paid a lot of money to be here.
You don't need to be grinding. Let's just have fun and have a laid-back day because you'll have the guys say, oh, let me play the back tees with you.
It's like, why would you want to do that? That doesn't sound fun. I usually play with a lot of gimmies.
I get a lot of gimmies when I play 18 holes. JT, I'm JT.
I'm terrible, dude. I can't, I can't fucking play golf.
It's surprising. And our buddy, do you want to, I want to, is it? And so, so this, so our mutual friend, Drew has inspired me a little bit.
Jerry has really inspired me. I'm all over started this podcast.
He is all over me. And I love, when I play, I love playing.
I just haven't, I just haven't like found the itch. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Um, but I, I'm inspired and you're inspiring me and Drew's, and it's funny, Drew and I have a bet. And, uh, Jerry Drew's our mutual friend.
Drew, Drew was on the tour with you like early on, right? You guys were together and then, yeah. How did you guys meet? We were a couple, a couple of years apart in age, but just, um, yeah, he's, yeah, he was good friends with, you know, a bunch of the guys that kind of lived down here in jupiter and it's i moved down here kind of around the same time he did and we just you know we had a kind of a big group of us that would just either play and hang out and whatnot and uh and now he's yeah coincidentally still he's out working working for scotty cameron so i get to now it's good i get to boss him around and like actually which is great get to boss him around.
He said he told me that he would spot me. He would give me 30 strokes, 30 and still beat me any course that I picked.
I'd have to shoot 102 or 101. I said dude, I can shoot in the 90s every time.
I probably could hit in the 80s. He he thinks 30s.
It's annoying about these athletes like him. He picks up one thing and he's like quickly good at it.
No, I'm not. Okay.
Dude, we got off the rails here. We had this whole thing.
But this is, okay. Real quick.
You said some a couple minutes ago, like the traditions of golf. And again, I respect golf.
I enjoyed. I was obviously a massive Tiger fan just growing up and all that.
And you just won the TGL and it's an inaugural season, which was dope. Yeah.
We were, we were sending the videos around. It was fun.
It was, I think like the ultimate fan experiences, I'm sure you could speak to better than us. And then, um, you know, we're just talking about all these things like the, the full swing and just where golf is going.
And I think it's really cool because it gives us a look into you guys, like the personality, a day in the life. And you can see the shit talking.
You can see kind of what you guys go through. Where do you see golf going like in the next five years? Because I feel like Jerry and Jerry's type of like the trajectory that you guys are on is like this, you know, where we've heard all this shit about the NBA all-star game game this where i feel like golf is just on this trajectory yeah you know it's it's interesting because like the game of golf has probably never been better and it's and it is it's on a massive trajectory and um but we just have so much like unknown going on on the professional side of our sport of like with the pga tour and live and like what when's this deal gonna to get done what's is it going to get done what's it going to be so it's like that part about it is obviously frustrating because it's you know we're not the nfl it's not like we can just kind of like split up take like 30 of our fans and you know put them over here and and we're still okay you know it's we want to be gaining all that and taking advantage of this momentum.
You know, don't know it's it's it's wild like i played um i played a pro-am with uh with with grand horvath uh he's a youtuber uh he's a great player uh out in phoenix and it was like it was mind-blowing the amount of people that were yelling at him and i'm just like dude don't take this the wrong way but i can't believe how many people know who you are out here like it's i'm like it's unbelievable and that's it's just it's weird because i'm it's weird for me so i can't imagine you know like the generation that you know was out on tour before me thinking it's even weirder of like this is just kind of where it's everything is going you know everything it's it's you know, was out on tour before me thinking it's even weirder of like, this is just kind of where it's, everything is going, you know, everything it's, it's, you know, streaming having now football games that are on Amazon or Paramount plus whatever it is, or it's like ESPN plus. And then it's, uh, you know, guys wearing microphones and stuff.
And it's, it is because it's funny. Full swing is, is interesting because it's, you know you know it is great and and we've i think gained a lot of fans because of it but as somebody who's who's on it it's like for i don't i i like to i want to keep my personal life and my wife and family out out of it obviously it's their show so they rightfully would love to be filming us film this right now you know they would do anything that i would allow but just for us personally i'm like hey guys like i don't i don't my wife doesn't need to sit down doing an interview she doesn't want to like we just we want to keep this part of our life separate so once you get to a certain point you're like i can only get i i got i'm not that interesting i play golf like 25 weeks of the year and when i'm not i'm still practicing golf so but then you know as a sports fan i'm watching these other documentaries on the you know the wide receivers or you know the nhl and it's just like it's so awesome i'm like god it's so cool and i'm sitting here i'm like i'm a hypocrite like i'm the one that doesn't want to almost like give it but then it's when i watch it and it's just weird to to think that that's what people think about us you know what i mean like it's you know the fact that i could have you know two two people like y'all that are like yeah we really love watching full swing and like getting to know you guys it's like i don't like that it's hard to almost like resonate and understand that you guys could think or or anybody could think the same about that show that like i thought about you know getting to learn about debo samuel on the wide receiver show like it doesn't it just doesn't compare to me but it's the reality no i gotta say i i was happy you did it you know because you were a golfer i followed for a while but for me i could tell, and I feel like there's a lot of golf fans and sports fans out there.
I hear you on the family stuff. I think if you like, if your wife's not into it and doesn't want to talk by no mean, and by the way, I don't need to see that.
What I mean is like, I'm tuning in because I love golf. I learned a little bit more about, I'm more into like your mentality when you play, seeing you with speed speed was super cool i didn't know you guys knew each other for that long so like you could still i think accomplish the the goal with that part of your career because that's so fascinating and like i always said even with like entourage and stuff like that stuff's meant to be judged like you want to say entourage suck that's you could say that you want to say it's great but the personal stuff's not if you don't want it to be judged, it shouldn't have to be.
And good. I'm glad you kind of drew that line.
Today's day and age, too. It's like how social media has gotten.
I'm like, the negatives are highly going to outweigh the positives that are going to come from having them in our house all the time. It's not worth it., you know, it's just, it wasn't, it's not worth it.
But, um, in terms of, yeah, how golf's going to be, man, I don't know. I just hope that I think we have such a core group or I guess age group of fans, uh, but being able to, you know, kind of get the younger crowd in and just understanding that keeping the traditions of the game while also, you

know, making some change if it needs to be done for the better, that that gets more fans

involved.

And that's, um, you know, at the end of the day, all of these sports there, the reason

that they are going is because of the fans.

Uh, and I know that it can't be done without the athletes in particular, but the reason

that the athletes are there and playing and the stage that they are are because of the fans that want to watch them type thing. So one thing I definitely thought of once I knew you were going to come on and I got excited about, like I mentioned, I was down in Florida on this golf trip.
I kind of had a real chance on the last day to like win some money and really end it. And I didn't.
So what I found, though, is hours later, we're all showered up. It was a good time.
Shake, leave. I get on the flight home and I'm still thinking about it.
And so I'm imagining, I'm like, all right, I'm still thinking about this, this meaningless shit on the plane all this time later. Like for you, you know, even if you look at like the Valspar, right, watched and i was like that was such a unbelievable tournament you know how much time do you kind of give yourself to say like man i should have whether you're saying i should have won that or like is it because you have a tournament four days later you're right back at it like do you allow yourself some time to be pissed or whatever your emotions are and get right to it or you know i just was always curious about that and it's a good question i think it depends it's very um it's very specific i'd say to what it is but also it probably depends on where you're at in your career like it took me a while to understand that you know that that losing a tournament uh could actually be could get me gain me more success down the road than actually winning that tournament you know i think you see it often of of you know maybe not like an unbelievable player like a uh you know a ludwig a jordan whatever guys that it's like they're going to be out here and win a lot of tournaments for a long time but you kind of have a good player that gets out on tour and they win like in their first 15 starts or something and how often you kind of don't hear a lot from that person anymore because it's like you just unfortunately going through those failures is how you learn it's how you can you know i'm sure matt like you went through how many times in games where it's like god i know like when it sucks but it's just once you can actually sit down and just think about it.
You're like, okay, next time I'm sure Matt, like you went through how many times in games where it's like, God, I know like when it sucks, but it's just, once you can actually sit down and just think about it, you're like, okay, next time I'm in the situation, I, you know, I may be pressed and forced the situation a little bit there. When if I just would have like let it happen and maybe not taking this unnecessary risk, whatever it might be, then, then it'll work out.
So a tournament like Valspar, I, I was way was way but honestly surprised myself i was way better after the fact than i thought because i although i bogeyed to the last three holes i i didn't feel like any of them were from mental i wasn't like i was shying away i wasn't like yeah i was nervous of course i was but it wasn't a I didn't feel like I did

anything stupid or forced issue wise I mean I stick with my strategy and game plan then I had the whole week and it's like look I I did what I did but he birdie 16 and 17 and knows I mean it's easy to look at what I did but I'm like I this something like that is way easier for me to get over than like, I lost a tournament to Colin Morikawa during COVID. I bogeyed 16 and 18 and at Muirfield and he birdied 17.
We went to a playoff and I lost in the playoff. Like that still pisses me off.
Like I did not handle that well. Like I was thinking about winning after I eagled 15.
I'm like thinking I'm on 16 and it's like, you just, you, you get out of that focus. The next thing you know, the term it's over and I lost.
And I'm like, what the fuck does do? I'm like, I just handed this over. And so something like that pisses me off way more than getting beat almost.
Right. And, or, or lack of execution is a lot different than, than like the mental clarity or clarity or making a mistake because you put yourself in that mistake.
It's a lot different than just hitting a bad shot. Hitting bad shots happen, but hitting one because you're not committed or you're scared to screw up or you're not in the right mindset.
Those are two very different things. The very last interception I threw in my career was to Luke Kuechly at Carolina, and it was just right in his fucking bread basket.
Sorry, let me just laugh. Words adjusted that I live by.
What the fuck was I just thinking? I think my coach looked at me off the field. He's like, seriously? I go, yeah, man, I don't know.
I didn't have an answer for you. It was just like I just was an idiot.
You said you get nervous so i the masters is coming up and and we're like this has been awesome because we are not that we wouldn't root for you but we are rooting for you man and good shit happens to to guys and people when they come on this pod i'm telling you matt's had a charm the dodgers i've had to get luca he's on the world series lakers um i had a baby girl like there's just a lot of shit going on. He's on a run.
We're rooting for you. I love it.
The Masters, to me, I feel nervous talking to you about it because I can only imagine what it's like. I imagine the mental approach to that tournament has to be a little bit different than some of the other ones.
Just take us through that week. Is that week similar? Is this week similar than others? Do you approach it? As an athlete, we always say, hey, just approach.
I played in the Super Bowl. We approached that game the same practice week that we did game three.
You still want to have that approach, but I have to imagine the Masters feels a little different. Yeah, I think you said it It's my caddy and I were actually just recently talking about that.
Cause it, it's, it's so funny. Everybody, a lot of people do it for a lot of the majors, but especially the masters, the first one of the year, it's like, it's Augusta, it's a tournament.
Everybody wants to win. It's the biggest life change or whatever you want to call it, but it just the amount of over-preparation that's done for it.
Like, and I've done it. I'd be the first to admit.
And it's like, you know, Hey, are you taking any trips this year? Are you going up there? It's like, gotta play it. Gotta play it.
Yeah. It's like, I've, I've never, I'm not this year because I have, I've, I've pretty much done it every year.
Um, it is, it is nice. Like when you're in the beginning of the career to kind of almost like get that awe factor out or just like kind of get to know the lay of the land a little bit but now i've i've never left that tournament feeling like wow if i just knew this course a little better i think i would have played it i'm like they really surprised me on 14 exactly i'm like no i just needed to put it better i needed to chip or hit this like it's at the end of the day, it's just golf.
So, but man, it's so, so hard. And I mean, I'm still working on it.
I'm like trying to treat it the same and just, you know, not over prepare because I, that's like my, what I struggle with the most is getting to tournaments like that. And I'm like the middle of the day on Tuesday and I'm like,

I'm ready to go like that.

But you're jacked up a little too soon.

It's a day and a half.

And I just,

and then by that time you're flat,

it just,

it's different.

So it's,

it's almost like kind of,

uh,

tapering a little bit of just,

you know,

just do a little bit here.

And then the facilities are so good.

You feel like you have to be out there.

And next thing you know,

you're like,

I just had three straight 10 hour days and I'm exhausted before the week starts. Yeah.
I finally found something I could relate to, to you on. It's definitely not a golf swing, but similarly, like with acting, if you have a, whether it's a big emotional scene or whatever, like the big scene of the thing, you don't, you do not on take one while we're in a big wide shot.
That's why I say save it for the close-up, right? So that's going to be my words to you for the masters. Save it for the close-up.
Guys go hard, take one, take two. They're never going to use that.
Then by take four, when you're in your close-up, you're exhausted. You're shot.
The day should be over. Save it for the close-up.
I like that. That's a good one.
You should get that stamped on a wedge. Well, look, you know what? When you're exhausted you're shot the day should be over save it for the close-up i like that that's a good one should get that stamped on a wedge well look you know what when you're putting on the green jacket just say like you know what to ferrara i saved it for the close-up i mean wait justin i'm we were i we were talking about this because this is good vibes dude we're we're fucking sending good vibes okay um tiger's shot right the famous shot what is it? 20 years.
We like to do throwback stuff here. Yeah, we like to do throwback stuff.
So 20 years. Jeez, that was 20 years ago.
I know, 20 years ago, dude. That's hard to hear.
How old are you? What are you, 30? You're 32? I turned 32 in a month, yeah. So you were a young buck, okay? I almost got in an argument with my wife a couple weeks ago.
I was like, I turned 31 in the month. You turned 32.
I'm like, oh, I turned 31. Don't ever say that again.
Damn. It's like, you're right.
Wait till you get in your 40s, dude. That's when shit really hits the fan.
Plenty of time. My thing, this is just you.
Listen, you don't have to do it if you don't want to. You you're not gonna be thinking about us but just the the like the fist pump and just the just like you you showed it at tgl you guys showed it at tgl and i was fired up that's horsesho getting everybody crazy but all you guys were fired up which i love that part about golf i love that man when you sink a 20-foot putt or you're just going fucking nuts just if you if you if you happen to think about us and you and you surely on your brain to win the masters a fist bump and we will i'm telling you dude i'm telling all right hey i would happily i would be first round whatever dude whatever you're gonna be locked in but it's gonna happen and i'm gonna be so fucking fired up have you ever my chest tried that chip that tiger 20 or like go to the spot like, yeah? Because like when you look at the clip too, like the funny thing is obviously all the scenario, it's like it's a 90 second clip from like the time he chips it and then it's so high, it's rolling forever.
Have you ever had that shot or just messed around in the practice round? Like, let me see if this shot is that difficult. I've definitely hit it in practice.
It's so hard to put into words how insane. It was not a difficult chip to hit inside of 10 feet.
It really is because of where he is and the slope. To get it to do all of that and just the spin it like getting the and obviously the moment is a whole nother thing but i've hit it over that green a couple times with that pin and that is not a good place to go and because it's going down the same slope but um not kind of like you said jerry like the that's the crazy part about golf it's you know how many people have gone to tpc sawgrass and hit the putt from the back of the green to the front of the green because Tiger made it.
And it's like, oh, I hit the putt, the Tiger hit. It's just a wild, wild game.
I know. I did that shot in the dark at Firestone because I'm over in Ohio, and they have like a plaque Tiger hit.
And I had seen John Daly next day because he had the Champions Tour or whatever. And I asked Daly because I'm like, you were there.
Was it really that dark? Because the shot, it's 160 in the rough i guess the rough is thick but it's pretty open he's like it was pitch black so i'm okay i was like yeah look at me trying to debunk tiger's shot in the dark i hope he's definitely not listening all right i got we got a few more things then we'll let you go because you've been very generous with your time but uh rider cup i want to pitch you a rule change. Okay.
He's's gonna hate this jerry's all about he's changing every rule of every sport i like to tweak rules okay i like to try to elevate things so i pitched this to joel damon he liked it but you know we're talking to someone now who has rider cup street cred so i always get frustrated i only match play for me is where it's at because you don't want to play stroke play with me. The numbers look like a phone number.
What if we're in the Ryder Cup, okay? And it's you and whether it's Jordan Speed, whoever your partner is, and you win the second hole and now you're coming up to a really, really hard par three that wins up. And the new rule change comes in where you can defer the t-box to your opponent you could say you know what ludwig or whoever you got you know you guys hit and you get to sit back on a par three because like i feel like i get it you want to go first because you want to put the pressure on you win a hole it's not always the biggest advantage than stepping up into a par three with not and your opponent gets more information yeah so that's my rule change you could defer the t-box in match play at the right if you want you could still keep the t-box yeah you could defer love it or hate it it's a marinating i i don't i don't hate it i think okay it yeah there's uh it definitely's a...
It definitely would be... Gamesmanship? Yeah.
There's definitely some strategy to it. Try it at the TGL first, maybe, just to workshop it a little bit? Yeah, we'll try shit.
We'll try whatever there, man. We got hammers.
We're throwing stuff. I did...
Everybody... All the other players laugh at me when it's kind of the same thing, talking about rule change.
I'm like, what if we... like a mulligan a mulligan token you just had one you had one mulligan for a whole week and people were like i'm like what i'm like i think of how you gotta go there about when to use it and i mean how intense is it if it's yeah you some guy maybe misses like a 15 footer he gets pissed off the mulligan but should have made it.
Yeah, but it's like you could have some guy that he saves it late in the tournament. It'd be pretty interesting.
So I don't know. So your official ruling is, though, don't hate it yet.
Don't hate it. Marinating, don't hate it.
Jerry, his expression said it all. He shit on the rule change.
It's okay. I don't know, man.
I'll tell him. What was it like shotgunning beers at Ryder Cup? That's awesome.
Oh, man. It was...
I want to go to that so bad. It is...
As a sports fan, you have to go. You truly have to go.
It is... It's the coolest...
I mean, it's the... It's the closest thing that we feel to anything that y'all went through, Matt.
you know it's the the coolest i mean it's it's the it's the closest thing that we feel to like anything that y'all went through matt you know it's just the the amount of the amount of people the nerves like the first tee shot of my first rider cup in france was the most nervous i've ever been in my life like i i always say if because i hit five wood off the tee which when I hit it off the tee I don't actually use a tee

I'll kind of like put a little dent in the ground

and just put it on top of that and

if I had to use a tee I don't think I could have got them

on the tee like I don't

hands just yeah and

I mean we're like walking to the tee and Jordan

I didn't know who were going to go first and I was like hey

I need to go he was like

whatever he'd been through that and he knew it

and that's why he was a great party

many reasons but why he was great for me at that time is he's like, you know, I, he knew how nervous I was and he's like, you got it and go ahead. It's like, please, I need to hit and get off this tee right now.
Are you, are you more, are you more nervous for that than like the masters, the first tee off of the masters? Yeah, not even close the rider cup is is another level of

yeah it seems like it man oh my god it looks so electric the the i'm getting literally goosebumps

just talking i am too like i am too dude you're a rider cup legend though it's fun it's just it's

it's cool it's like you were talking about the emotion and getting excited like we don't get to

do that at tournaments without kind of looking like an asshole and like there you can you don't

even realize it like it just it comes out because it means so much and like you're playing for

Thank you. to do that at tournaments without kind of looking like an asshole and like there you can you don't even realize it like it just it comes out because it means so much and like you're playing for so much more and of course you know these guys that you don't really want to play well all year you actually get to root for like i want scotty to write it close and like patrick canley to make every putt and xander to make it so it's you know it, on these guys team for a week.
Cause you know, they're tough to beat once we're playing every week. It's what got me into golf and knew you, I, you know, I'm a New Yorker.
So I know a lot of my, I have family members already trying to plot their trips to Beth page. It's going to be out of control.
It's going to be nuts. Oh, he's got, I'm fired up now, man.
The last thing we were talking about too i don't know is this what your boy sent over matt that like the mic yeah you're big you play with jordan a lot right you get some mj rounds in true story yeah yeah i he's got to talk some shit right you would think what's the most amount of money you've taken from jordan on the course i you know he's gambling every time yeah i i mean people unfortunately get upset when i tell them that i don't think he plays for as much money as everybody thinks right just he just has to play for something like it's not anything right it could be a dollar exactly it's just the fact of hey we're we're not out here just to like play golf we're out here to compete and and win i've taken a couple thousand off of him a couple times, but he's taken plenty off of me as well. He's hard to beat out at Grove.
It's definitely at his course. I mean, shit, if I built a course too, I would probably build it.
Like you did to Grand Horvat at Panther. I watched that last chip on 18.
That was a brilliant moment. You just knocked knocked it in he didn't even see it and you were talking yeah that was awesome but uh yeah isn't it like he built it because what does he hit a fade or a draw whatever he hits it like most hole or at least that he has like urban legends about him in golf and he's a bat he's like the goat basketball player and there's all these stories you don't know if they're true or false with golf with him yeah i mean he his short game is unbelievable like his bunker game and chipping and putting it's it it's truly insane it kind of goes back like what i was saying about steph like i just think a lot of athletes in general but i mean especially as basketball players like just their touch and like their their hands and how good they are to be able to kind of maneuver and figure stuff out but the holes narrow up the further you hit it so it's you know you kind of you always have room to bail out which is fun i mean i think it's good for any amateur golfer but um you know it tends to pinch in a little bit more where we hit it do you feel like you got to wear jordans when you're playing with jordan because i know there's so many like walked in on the charler hornets and told everyone at practice take my Jordan so you guys aren't winning enough, take my shoes off.
I would feel a lot of pressure like I have to pull out my best pair of Jordans I ever owned in front of MJ. It's funny you say that.
I mean, I don't because I'm not with Jordan, especially in golf shoe wise. Like I don't wear don't wear them out there or don't ever wear them, but I, I love sneakers.
Like I have a lot of, I have a lot of Jordans, um, you know, here or just that I'll wear out. And just the way that the locker room, everything kind of works, my lockers right next to his.
And it's the only course I go to that I am like looking in my closet of like, what shoes am I going to wear to the golf course today? Right. It's like, yeah, of course.
No, I always wear these, you know, this Carolina blue off whites to the golf course. Like what are you seeing, MJ? Because I know that if I go in the locker room, they're going to sit outside my locker.
And if MJ's there, he's going to see him. And, you know, I want him to be like, all right, JT, I got some respect for that.
I can't be wearing like some flip flops or something. Anywhere else, I wouldn't care, but I definitely think about it when I go there.
So we like to, before we close, we like to, usually when the athletes come on, we like to build the perfect athlete for their sport. So we did that with a couple people.
We want to build the perfect golfer with you before we let you go. And take yourself out of it.
You don't have to put yourself. We know you're the perfect golfer.
We broke it down four categories. Drive, chip, putt, and clutch.
And you can go present or you can go back in the day. Okay.
I mean, driving, I'm going Rory for sure. I mean, clutch, I'm going, yeah, prime tiger.
That's no doubt. Putting is tough because I want to do that too, but statistically, Denny McCarthy is one.
He is an unreal putter year after year after year. Undeniable.
I got to be honest, I don't know who that is. See, Matt, we'll get you there, buddy.
We'll get you there. I know exactly what you're going.
keep going Chip P Reed's got one of the sickest short games I've ever seen he gets he's got I've watched him get up and down from so many so many different places but man it's it's hard to go against Jordan I've I've played more just more rounds with him so I've probably seen it more than I have P Reed or like Phil but I's hard. I can never bet against Jordan's short game so I'll go with this.

That bunker game too

is nasty. The bunker game is nasty.

Well listen,

thank you for your time.

Look, just save it for the close up.

That's all I'm going to say here.

We appreciate you man. Best of the kick ass at the Masters

dude. We're rooting for you.
Thank you.

I appreciate it and Jerry you'll appreciate it. Jordan and I've we rented a lot of houses over the years together and like no before the families came out we literally would just put entourage beginning it didn't even matter like what season do we want to start this week or where we want to and it just would it was uh oh god it was the best we just have especially the covid weeks where it's like you couldn't go do anything.
We just would get back and just hammer through it over and over again. I feel like you brought up too when you were doing, shot that thing for Grant Horvath's channel.
You were talking about that famous round of you and Ricky and Jordan, like you guys casually. I remember watching that in a moment.
Like this is the new version of Entourage. Like these guys are doing it.
Like I want to be where they're at. I want to be playing golf with them.
So I've literally had that thought as well. And that makes me very, very happy to hear because we, believe it or not, like even though none of us are very good golfers, we were always, we had like the golf simulator on a show 20 years, 18 years ago.
You know, we had Mickelson on, we were hitting golf balls off the roof. Like we love golf.
So it was, Oh, it's, it's very cool now to get the chance to talk to you and just see where golf's gone from then till now. Uh, so I appreciate that, man.
That's really cool to hear. Appreciate y'all being a golf fan.
That's what's, it's crazy, man. You will play these pro ams or go places.
And and it's just like i don't understand like how are you a fan of me or a fan of golf like it just doesn't i think i don't know if it's just from whatever you do it's but you know it's like obviously that goes around people like oh big fan i love watching you play it's like no shit like yeah we all did but it's like golf like really You like what we do? You guys are crushing, man.

And just like I said, the changes and just the access that I think a lot of just everyday people and fans get, I think it makes it more exciting. We're fired up, dude.
Thanks for jumping on, man. I appreciate it.
Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it.
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Matt, we're going to talk some adventures. Since we had Justin Thomas just on, I have a little fun golf adventure for you, right? Okay.
I'm going to take you back maybe like 15 years or so. I'm pretty new to golf.
Me and Kevin Dillon ventured down to San Diego to meet Scotty Cameron, the Scotty Cameron. He fit us for some putters, and then we went out to play some golf, and it was unbelievable.
But the whole time, Dylan and I know, like, oh, we're going to be driving back from San Diego at, like, 5 o'clock. We're dead.
It's going to be so much traffic. All good.
As we're leaving, we finished the round, we're leaving, in walks into the clubhouse, Phil Mickelson. Now, the room stops.
Me and Dylan are like, oh, wow, it's Phil Mickelson. Crazy.
And what does Kevin Dylan do?

He's like, I got to go talk to him, bro.

Of course he does.

He just heads off and it hits me.

Out of nowhere, the very previous episode of Entourage,

we take a shot at Phil Mickelson.

The actual line in the episode is the Ari character says something like, honey, I got to go. Nikki's melting down worse than Phil Mickelson at winged foot, right? Dylan's walking over there.
It's like slow motion. I'm like, no.
I try to stop. And then I'm 20 feet away.
They're up there talking. It looks friendly.
I finally come in there and shake his hand. And then Phil walks away.
And I ask Dylan, what did he say? He's he's like oh he's the nicest guy i told him he's got to be on uh on the show and he said you know i would love to it's my favorite show although i'm not caught up yet on this season so he has not yet seen the actual thing so the whole drive back obviously we called doug allen we're like doug phil mickelson wants to do the show. I'm like, can we figure out a way to shoot with Phil Mickelson before he hears this joke? And end result was he did hear the joke.
He still did the show. And we did ask him when he was on set.
And like, you know, did you hate that? He's like, well, you know, it wasn't great like sitting in bed with my wife watching my favorite show and you guys just take a shot at me. That wasn't awesome, but you know, it was funny.
And, uh, yeah, he didn't really care. He ends up doing the show, but that whole drive back from San Diego to LA, me and Dylan were like, can we make this happen before he hates us? And here's this joke.
So that was a fun little adventure that involved a little bit of golf for you. I love that, dude.
I don't have any great golf. I have a couple of great golf adventures, but- You got some others though.
I got the greatest drive. So when I think, honestly, when I think of Nissan Armada, I think of my mom.
When I think of my mom, I think of USC. And when I think of USC, I think about the greatest drive potentially in USC history.
Oh, this is going to be so much better than my story. And when I was thinking about it.
I actually, I have to give this speech next week for a USC deal. And this is included in it because a lot of Trojans love just the stories, right? And, and adventures.
And, and so I was going to talk a little bit about the fourth and nine drive in Notre Dame and, you know, Brady Quinn a little now, so you can kind of get a feel, but we're first down and 10 on our own 20 yard line. First play is an incomplete pass.
Second down, second play, second down, I get sacked for a nine yard loss. So, wait, no, first down is incomplete.
Yeah. Second and 19 or third and 19.
We go to the sideline, we get about half back, a little check down to Reggie Bush. It's now fourth and nine.
We call a timeout. I'm on the sideline with Steve Sarkeesian, head coach of Texas.
Obviously, Lane Kiffin's in his year, head coach of Ole Miss and Pete Carroll's right there. Pretty incredible staff.
And I'm sitting there. And actually, another one, another buddy of ours that who's going to be on our show quickly was on the sidelines of that game as well.
But I won't mention his name.

At that moment, it was the loudest I've ever heard Notre Dame stadium in my life. Notoriously not allowed stadium, cool history tradition, but not like a, you know, like not a, not a great home field advantage.
Um, I walked back in the huddle and it is just like, boom, you can't hear anything. I'm yelling and I'm looking everybody at the eye and I call the play and I say, be alert for this audible if they blitz, et cetera, et cetera.
And sure enough, it is loud. I'm under center.
Ryan Khalil, Hall of Fame center. I'm in there.
I kind of tap them. I start to audible and the guys pick up the signs.
Dwayne Jarrett runs a slant and go, and the ball, lucky, I'm honestly lucky, the ball just lands right in his bread basket. An inch either way, it's an incomplete pass, we lose.
He gets it, he starts running like a baby deer. Dwayne wasn't fast, he had long half strides.
He got hocked at like the 12, 15-yard line. Go a couple plays, and then we score on the infamous Bush-Push game.
Yeah. And the funny story about the Bush-Push is I'm sitting there, and we're on the one, probably the half-yard line, and there's eight seconds left.
And if I don't get in, we lose. I remember, and we were waiting for the whistle.
Tom Zibachowski, who was the safety for them, became a professional boxer, like an amateur boxer, like a pretty good athlete. He was right in front of me, like knew I was about to go up the middle.
He just knew it. And I looked at him in the eye.
I tried not to look at him in the eye. It's like one of those things I'm like, don't look at him in the eye.
Don't look at him in the eye. I'm coming right in the middle.
It's like taking a penalty kick in soccer. You don't want to look at the goalie, right? And sure enough, I snap it.
He jumps over like LeVar Arrington style, kind of hits me right there.

I do my little pirouette. And sure enough, my boy Reggie Bush pushes me in the end zone for victory and then a berth in the national championship game in which we lost.
But that was incredible drive, adventurous, all these types of things, man. Brings back great memories just talking Just talking about it.
It's one of those things. If you're a college football fan or you just watched, it's like one of those where everybody's like, I remember where I was when the Bush push happened.
Yes. I believe, um, cause we weren't shooting at that point.
Cause what is, was that like December? It was October of 2005. So so we may have still been shooting usually we start finishing right around then but I was definitely in LA definitely well I believe I watched that game I might have watched it with Max Greenfield by the way 05 I might have watched it with friend of the show that wasn't that was in the basement no we were it was entourage days it was entourage days but yeah, I think we watched it there.
My God. So, O-Foss, you're 19, 20? I was a senior, so I was 21.
I was fifth year. Not a lot of 21-year-olds doing that.
Well, shout outs to Nissan. Those are two adventurous stories.
We'll have more each and every episode. Let's do a mailbag.
And I had a little sneak preview of this one, so I kind of know it was coming. So Dan in Los Angeles writes, what's up guys? You know, sad to see that Val Kilmer passed away this week.
What a legend. Just curious what your favorite roles were of his.
And if you guys ever crossed paths. Yes, obviously saw the news.
You know, heart goes out to his family. It's so sad.
He was sick for was sick for a while legend but you know i had the chance to work with him back in 04 on entourage and he has one of the you can't even call it so cameos are when people come play themselves it was like a cameo but he was the only one playing a character and i even was like texting with doug i don't even think doug ellen believed that he was actually going to show we were just told he's going to show up. He's going to play this Sherpa character.
He's going to come in character. Be ready.
It's like maybe he got, this is season one, episode four. Like it was very, very hard to get anyone to be on Entourage.
So I give shout outs to Ali Larder back in the day. Jessica Alba came on early.
So Val comes on and it was the first time I was 23 years old.

You know,

you always heard about method acting and method actors and I've taken classes,

but the first time I ever saw someone show up in character and for not one

second did Val Kilmer break character as the Sherpa.

And then,

you know,

he probably got the script the night before.

What was that like? He was just saying at one point he just looks at me he's like turtle you're a dove you're a turtle dove and then like pulls out a gun on all this stuff is just happening it's like one of the cool parts back then where you know you just knew like all you gotta do is just listen know your character and just go where he takes you because he's gonna to take you on the ride. When he's done shooting that scene,

does he break?

I never saw him break.

I texted some of the guys.

No one is on record saying

at some point he took off the beard and hat

and was like, hey guys, it's Val. Nice to meet you.

That was a lot of fun.

That never happened.

It was weird because Kevin Dillon

was in the doors with Val Kilmer

which is arguably maybe his best performance. We'll talk some of his favorite movies now.
But he played Jim Morrison in The Doors. Kevin Dillon was like the – he played John Densmore as the second or third lead in that movie.
And he didn't even break to say hello to Dillon, I don't think. I mean, he's – obviously, you've kind of seen the whole list of movies this week after his passing and and you just realize like one of like legendary like he was a legendary actor that crossed right decades and decades and generations my my two favorite yes give me your give me your two i mean the one to stand out for you personally though not just for me personally like he's probably had better performances than some other ones but top gun is like my top three movies that's my top three favorite movie of all time it just is and even the remake the sequel which just came out less than a couple years ago where Val actually played a very sick yeah there's like people tearing in the theater I saw that in the theater that got a lot of people that's just one of my favorite movies so I just always remember Iceman and all that and then Tombstone is probably a top five favorite movie of mine as well.
And one of the best movies. And just like, I'm your Huckleberry.
And while he's literally white and pale and sick in that movie, he's just legendary. Obviously, his Batman role was very good.
Heat was good. But those are my two favorites.
So we lost a good one, man. That's for sure.
Heat out also heat is just such an iconic movie yeah you can just but he and he to be that good in an iconic movie like the scene stealer in a movie like that is as high level as it gets uh yeah top gun batman you know jim morrison at the doors they even play like john holmes in wonder, another stud one. Here's a sneaky one people forget about.
I'm a big true romance guy, another Tarantino script. True romance is an awesome movie.
He was Elvis in true romance, like the alter ego for Christian Slater's character. He was Elvis.
Like you never really actually even saw him. So, you know, obviously, you know, you give, send love to his family.
It sucks. He was pretty sick for a while, but, um, I just don't think they're going to make them like that anymore.
I, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I never got to know him personally, but I just, something about that. Yeah.
That kind of actor, which you know better than me, but just like, just the roles he played, he was just, he was like, like when you heard Val Kimmy, like, damn, like he's just he's just he was a legend like and you saw it in his roles and how he acted and and and you never really heard a lot about him off script you know what i mean like he just was kind of like you showed up you saw him and be like damn like he's he's as talented as they come and you never really like he was out of the new you know what i mean like you just never heard outside of the world other than acting, which I think made this more, kind of a more aura about him, you know? So. Yep.
Wow. Yeah.
I don't want to go out on a low note, but you know, and then also if you just want to see some live, go back anyone out there or even go on YouTube, just pull up the Val Kilmer highlights of his time on Entourage. Some of the craziest lines.
I'm going to pull that up. We got to clip that on the page.
Yeah, he had some

great. So Matt, I am

coming to LA. We are going to be in

person next week. We have a big

lineup of guests. We're going to do some fun stuff.

So next time I see you,

well, I'll text you 10 million times

before then, but maybe you'll FaceTime me 14

times. But next time I actually see

you, we will be in person in LA.

Yes, dude. let's go.

Can't wait.

We got a full,

we got a full week,

buddy.

Get ready.

Got to get to work.

All right.

Take care,

everyone.

Thank you.