The Triple Option and Throwbacks Live presented by Nissan | Day 2

Good afternoon from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Day two right outside Lambeau Field as we welcome you to the triple option and throwbacks presented by Nissan.
Live from the draft house here in Green Bay. Good afternoon, Green Bay.
Today's weather confirming I am not coming to Green Bay for spring break.

All right?

It's done.

But, listen, these guys, go on.

I'm a little nervous about Coach over here.

Coach is already banging on these hand warmers. Can we get Coach a jacket?

Can someone give Coach a jacket?

Oh, good.

Listen, there were some concerns.

I'll be honest with you.

Like, what kind of crowd would we get here day two at the draft?

The weather is cold.

It's drizzly.

I said, time out.

Reminder, we are in the great

state of Wisconsin. These

people are going to show up.

Also, we promised free cheese and beer, so I think

that helps bring everybody in.

Love having you guys here. You guys have been wonderful

hosts for all of us, for everybody involved with

the NFL draft. So thank you so much

again, and our thanks to Nissan

here at the Draft House in Green Bay. Take adventure

to new heights in the all-new

2025 Nissan

Armada. Go to Nissan USA

Thank you. Again, in our thanks to Nissan here at the Draft House in Green Bay.
Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada. Go to NissanUSA.com slash Armada to learn more.
Those of you who are live here, you saw the awesome Armada in literally the front yard. Like, in the front yard, towing the biggest Heisman Trophy I've ever seen.
Mark Ingram, over here. Matt Leiner, Urban Meyer, Jerry Ferrara, Rob Stone.
Glad you're with us.

Mark, I gotta admit, I'm a little worried about you right now. Oh, we good.

I'm built for the weather. You mean?

Yeah, you look like it. Yeah, I got

hooded up, you know what I mean?

It's a cold weather podcast host. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, we in here, man. I'm with the people.
We love the people.

And the people love me.

That they do.

So, round one. Hey, but one thing, I got beef with the intro because he said you're the best soccer player up here.
I got the footy skills. I'll take you.
I'll take you. By the way, one elbow to the ribs.
I understand. Hey, 1v1 with my Maradona skills.
You feel me? Listen, you and I, I've got a little payback in store for you at some point in my life. You know about that.
We'll talk about that later. Round one in the books.
Today it is round two and round three from here in Green Bay. Before we pivot to what should really be a fascinating Friday evening, let's talk about round one.
We've got two round one picks here, Mark and Matt. What happens, really curious, what happens when you get that phone call through the course of the night

and where you guys are at this juncture in kind of day one of being a professional athlete?

I'll start with you, Matty.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Why? Because he went higher than me?

Is that why you started?

Mark, I'll start with you.

Or is it because I'm black?

No, because I'm black.

I just play.

I just play.

I just play.

I just play.

I just play.

It's because I'm your elder.

I'm your elder.

Is that how it's going to be today?

Is that how it's going to be today? Wow.

Is that how it's going to be today?

We got to make it hot.

Make it spicy out here today.

Yeah.

Well, first of all, I was a part.

Were you a part of the New York drafts, right?

You were in New York.

Yeah.

So I was a part of the New York drafts where they used to do it at Radio City Hall, which

is really cool.

So then they only invited a handful of people.

So when I was there, it was Mario Williams, who went one, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, A.J. Hawk.
Wow. A.J.
Hawk was there. What is that? DeBrickashaw, Ferguson, and myself.
And Vernon Davis. So there's like seven of us.
Anyway, I get drafted number 10 to Arizona. You get the call.
It's everything you can imagine. You saw it last night.
It's life-changing. The emotions.
For me, the best part of the draft is the human part when you see these kids get drafted and the moment they have with their families. It's just a big – it's a life-changing experience.
It doesn't mean work's done, but it's life-changing. So basically what happens is you get drafted.
Whoa. You do a – oh, I'm a little loud.
Can you guys – okay. You do – Oh, my goodness.
Audio, audio. Can we turn that down? You get drafted.
You do a kind of a media circuit right after a press conference. And then, honestly, I think I was on a first flight out the morning to Arizona.
Private? No, not private. I was commercial.
Economy in the back. Shut up.
No, I think I was – I don't remember, honestly. You definitely were first class.
I might have been first class. If you weren't first class, that might have been a sign of things to come.
But it happens very fast. So, yeah, it happens very fast.
You're drafted. Awesome.
You fly to the city. You do the press conference.
You meet everybody. And then it starts.
And then I think, honestly, like a handful of days later, it was like OTAs start right away. And you're right there three weeks later.
You're looking for houses. Your life completely changed upside down in a positive way.
And it's an incredible experience. Yeah.
My experience was a lot different than Matt's just because we were in a lockout. The NFL was in a lockout when I got drafted.
So, yeah, they called my name. Obviously, you get on the phone with the GM, Markman, the Saints on the phone.
We just traded back into the first round. Everyone's going crazy.
I'm like, well, thank you because I've been sitting here for so long. So, like, so I was the 28th pick, right? So I'm looking at the 28th pick, like, last night.
I'm like, dang, it's been like four hours that they've been in there. And you could just see them, like, walking down.
They were like, okay, I'm glad I finally went off the board. But, yeah, so they get the call.
You do your media circuit, all your media stuff. And then I didn't go to my team.
My first day with my team was day one of training camp. I didn't have rookie mini camp.
I didn't have OTAs because they were in a lockout. So, yeah, I just hung out in New York.
Then I went back to New Orleans because I just, I hung out in New York.

Then I went back to New Orleans because ironically I was training in New Orleans.

So I had already a townhouse there because when I was in Alabama,

my best friend was my roommate and he was from New Orleans.

So we used to go down there to train with this trainer.

So I trained with that trainer,

uh,

you know,

for combine prep.

And so I had a townhouse in New Orleans.

So it all worked out,

uh,

right.

So I just went back to New Orleans,

uh,

to the townhouse that I was already in.

And I just trained and worked out until,

Thank you. So I had a townhouse in New Orleans, so it all worked out right.
So I just went back to New Orleans to the townhouse that I was already in, and I just trained and worked out until I was able to get with the team. It's fascinating to me because it's a brave new world.
You are just dropped into a brand-new city, and you have to figure out so many things. On the franchise's side, Coach, there's a lot of things you have to figure out as well.
Obviously, the draft continues, but also you need to make sure your players that you just picked are in a good place whether that's financially whether that's mentally physically and everything else involved yeah when I first started to get exposed to the draft was Alex Smith was my the number one overall pick of the that was the first time I was a head coach at Utah young head coach, and the amount of attention and detail that they went into it. But most of that was the intangibles, leadership, toughness, all the things that you want to find out.

When I went to Florida following that and then to Ohio State, my last

dozen years or last 10 years, Mark, it went from

they had all the analytics on how he could throw, toughness and all that. Every question was

the The last dozen years, the last 10 years, Mark, it went from they had all the analytics on how he could throw, toughness and all that. Every question was about how will this player handle money.
The money became very significant. Not that it wasn't before, but I mean became really significant.
And I guess, I didn't really study it, but you saw players get that money and lose their hunger. Yes.
And all of a sudden you see this beast of a player in college fighting for survival. He's no longer fighting for survival.
And every time, I mean, every time you'd have the GM, the head coach, when I had a Nick Bosa or Zeke Elliott type player, tell me about how he handles money. Tell me about his posse of people, his handlers, alcohol, drugs, women.
That was all they asked me. And so it became that the transition the last 10 years or so, they didn't ask me about how he handles third and sixth because they figured that out.
Tell me about his private life. Tell me about at practice, does he have uncles showing up and people showing up because they want to avoid that.
They want that same hungry dude that they're invested in. Well, you're seeing that now.
Like a lot of what these teams want, when you're investing millions of dollars into a player in the first round and you're committed to this player, you want to make sure that they have the right character and that they have the right people around them. You're seeing that a lot in the draft.
Like when you have questions about your character, off the field questions, like you start sliding. And so that's kind of like a big go-to for these teams these days.
All right. So that's the player perspective.
That's the coach perspective. Let's talk about the fan perspective, right? As a fan, let's see.
Yesterday we saw a baby barfing. We saw a commissioner riding in on a bike and getting crushed by multiple congratulatory hugs.
And we saw the New York Giants emerge from night one as one of the true winners, Jerry. Yeah, you know, we said it on the show yesterday, too.
I think the Giants came in here with the plan of Carter and a QB. Like, that was always the plan.
But we got so much early action with the Browns making that trade right away. I kind of got worried about, will the Giants do the same thing? So a lot of my New York buddies are now basically locking back into this team in a different way.
And it's what we said yesterday, too. Obviously, you're watching all these players' lives change.
But for the fan base, you know, it's the shot at hope. And all the Giant fans right now are pretty hopeful, getting a quarterback and a player like Carter, who I hear wants to maybe flirt with the idea of where number 56, which is, uh, you know, LT territory in New York.
So that's pretty bold statement early. Relax.
Got our attention. Relax.
Settle down, puppy. Settle down.
Got our attention. That's for sure.
So, uh, got my attention. Just get your sign of bonus and go to work.
Let's worry about 56 later. It's true.
No kidding. No kidding as well.
All right. We're going to talk about some adventuresome picks coming your way here in day two, round two and three.
And, again, this is presented by Nissan. Take adventure to new heights in the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada.
Go to NissanUSA.com slash Armada to learn more. And you take a look at a live picture of the brand-new 2025 Nissan Armada.
Roomy, spacious, powerful, luxurious, gorgeous. So we're going to talk about most adventurous pick by Nissan.
Round two, three, whatever it is today.

Actually, no, let's go back to the most adventuresome pick from yesterday.

I don't want to get ahead of myself quite yet.

Let's wrap up round one.

And, Mark, as always, I want to start with you.

Well, I appreciate you.

Not as always, just as of now. No, I want to start with you, and I also want to placate our fans over here.
The folks in the green and the yellow, what did you think of your first-round draft pick yesterday? Yeah. Finally a wide receiver in the first round.
What was that, the first time since what, like 2002 he said or something like that? 2002? Who was 2002? Javon Walker. Javon Walker, wow.
So Matthew Golden goes number 23 to the pack. I just loved the pick, right, because of, like, where we're at.
We're here in Green Bay, right? And so you see, like, draft is traveling now, so you get to see, like, a fan base really get excited about their pick. And so they were chanting, go, pack, go.
The president comes out there. He's, you know, egging it on.
He tees it up. He's like, the first time since 2002, the Green Bay Packers draft a wide receiver, and they start going crazy.
They didn't even hear the name yet. It couldn't have been better.
Yeah, then they say, Matthew Gordon. They go crazy.
They go absurd. And he comes out.
He's like, man, let me get a Green Bay on three. One, two, three, Green Bay.
So, like, you see the connection of, like, the draft, like, relocating to different cities, and you see this fan base accept accept this player and this player accept the fan base right back. An immediate love, an immediate moment that I thought was the most fire draft pick ever.
Take that live mic and own the audience because they are in your hand right now. You should have turned it up even more because they was ready to go.
I wonder if they would have picked a deep tackle. Would they have been that excited? Yes.

The wide receiver, which is what they've been dying for in the first round, it couldn't have worked out

any better. And he's a hell of a player.

That 4-2 speed, give Jordan Love

another weapon. I thought the moment

was just iconic, man.

Shout out to Green Bay, man, because what a great

job they're doing, hosting this thing.

They showed their draft pick Love yesterday.

He gave them Love back.

It might not be the most

adventurous pick, but it was the most

Thank you. job they're doing hosting this thing.
They showed their draft pick love yesterday. He gave them love back.
It might not be the most adventurous pick, but it was the most genuine pick. It was awesome.
I loved it, man. It was all the feels.
It was all the love. Shout out to Green Bay.
Shout out to the Packers, man. Jerry, we talked earlier your Giants, one of the big winners.
I think one of the quiet, the stealth winners of the day was Atlanta also getting two picks in the first round. Yeah, I was a little shocked by that because, you know, when you look at the Atlanta offense, right, Bijon, London, pretty loaded, Pennix, suspect big things.
And then, you know, they get a linebacker at 15, and they did come back into the end of the first round, and they did give up a 2026 first-round pick. So, to me, they're saying this team is ready to go.
We just have to bulk up the defense. And we won't know for a few years how that works out, but you give up a first to trade into the back end of the first round, like Coach was talking about yesterday.
You know, the Jimmy Johnson value system might have been a little bit differential in the value, but I think Atlanta's going to be a problem if those two picks work out. Jalen Walker, the linebacker from Georgia, then they stay in the SEC.
Always wise to take those SEC guys. Getting James Pierce from Tennessee.
That was one of the conversations. 15 SEC players went in the first round.
11 from the Big Ten. Just two from the ACC.
Two from the Big 12. One from Mountain West.
One from the FCS. Coach, let's pivot to you.
Cleveland. And they traded out of that number two spot, and I feel they're walking away from day one feeling good, particularly what they have coming down the road this year and next year.
Not even this year, tonight. Yeah, I'm a Cleveland boy and followed the Browns my entire life, and they've been taken hit after hit.
You know, the Deshaun Watson story. Everything that's the criticism that's followed the Browns, and a lot of it's justified.
They expose themselves because I don't think many people would argue Travis Hunter is the best player in the draft, the best athlete, the best. Carter might be right behind him, but the best talent in the NFL draft in 2025 is Travis Hunter.
You trade that away and you take someone that doesn't perform, you're now exposed again, and justifiably. I think Mason Graham, I said this yesterday, we covered him.
He's a Wolverine. We covered him.
I saw what he did against the Buckeyes in the final game of 2025. I've also, from the coaching perspective as an offensive coach my entire career, every day, every week I come in, the first thing I watch is that defensive line.
If you can block the D-line, we're good. We'll be good offensively.
If you can't, you are in a shit show. You've got a problem.
Mason Graham will be ready day one. That's what I'm saying.
The first day, the first game of 2025, that player will be the biggest impact player of the 2025 draft. He'll be starter, ready to go.
And they also, I mean, they traded back, so they got a first round next year, right? Two first round picks next year. And they have two of the first four picks in the second round today.
Correct. And they still have Miles Garrett.
They still have whatever that is going to be. Is he going to be locked and loaded in college? Is he going to be a pawn that could be played a little bit later? One of the big talking points, obviously, heading into tonight,

and one of the big talking points yesterday, of course, was Shador Sanders.

Where would the quarterback from Colorado land?

And there had been a lot of talk in the time leading up to the draft.

Pittsburgh seemed like a right spot down there low in the first round.

So it comes to Pittsburgh at number 21, Matt.

Aaron Rodgers has to be going to Pittsburgh Steelers if this is happening because they don't have a pick again until the third round. They don't have a second-round pick today.
As of now. So they picked Derek Harmon, the D-tackle from Oregon, 6'5", 320, a beast.
And, Coach, kind of go to your point, Mike Tomlin, Pittsburgh, Cam Hayward's kind of on his way out. He's got maybe a year or two left.
So it's a really good pick. But at 21, like Shador was there.
Jackson Dart was there. You know, I just don't know what they're doing.
So adventurous pick. They win a solid pick on the D-line to continue to shore up at Pittsburgh Steelers defense, which is what they're always known for.
But they don't have a quarterback. So it's just, I don't know what they're doing and they don't have a pick until the third round, like the 80 something pick as of now.
So they must know something that we all don't know. Um, or they just didn't feel as highly as, uh, you know, obviously on those quarterbacks at that pick.
So I just think it's a good solid pick for them. Derek Harmon's a beast.
I mean, you're talking a big old boy that could clog up the middle, like, like a Mason. Hypothetically, if Aaron Rogers is lined up to go to Pittsburgh, is that a good move, Matt, in your eyes for the Steelers? Yeah.
I mean, Aaron Rogers is still Aaron Rogers, and you can maybe go draft a guy in the third or fourth round and get someone, one of these other quarterbacks, like maybe a Tyler Shuck, they like him, maybe a Will Howard Will Howard. He's kind of climbing up draft boards.
Jalen Milrow is potentially still out there. He may go today.
But, look, Steelers just got DK Metcalf, right? They also need a running back. George Pickens may be on a trade block.
We'll see. But they have weapons now.
Yeah. Real quick, I just want to go down the line here before we take our first break here.
Again, the triple option and the throwback show coming together here in Lambeau Field as we wrap up round one and get ready for round two and three. Something that popped for you.
I'll go down the line, Jerry. I'll start with you.
Something that popped for you through the course of the draft, whether it was a moment, a winner, something that brought a smile to you, something that changed your perspective on one of the players or one of the programs. Well, I love when guys tear up, so that got me early.
But to be quite honest, the fact that we had action at the number two pick and there was that trade that early. And I started wrapping myself up, wow, Travis Hunter's going to be in London a lot with those Jaguars.
They play in London three or four games, so it's almost like, all right, he's going international early in his career. So that jumped out to me right away.
We had that big of a move that early. Yeah, and I think the TV networks, too, are going to be like, oh, wait, let's see if we can get Jacksonville a little bit more here because people, at least early on, are going to want to watch to see what Travis Hunter does in Jacksonville.
Coach? That's what got me. Every coach wants to coach energy.
There's nothing worse than coaching a team or a player that hates his job. I mean, it's awful.

You know, you go out to practice him, and then all of a sudden you're like,

come on, man, let's go.

And to see his energy and enthusiasm as he sprinted.

The first time I've seen that, he sprinted onto the stage with Goodell.

Tapping the JAG logo as he went down the hallway.

I thought that was a really cool moment.

Matty?

I talked about it earlier.

I love the raw emotion. I love the guys getting interviewed and the genuine tears.
It makes me so happy, and their lives change forever. I thought, a couple picks.
I thought the tight ends was interesting going into this with Tyler Warren, who we covered. Actually, both these guys.
Colston Loveland, sorry Packers, going 10 to Chicago, which some thought might be a little bit of a stretch, but who's their head coach? Ben Johnson. A lot of the Colson reminds me a lot of Sam Laporta, who's a phenomenal player for the Detroit Lions.
So I thought it was pretty interesting. We had two tight ends go in the top 15 picks.
Tyler Warren went to the Indianapolis Colts, who definitely needed someone, and he's an absolute stud. I mean, a Swiss Army knife.
So love the raw emotion in round one. We're going to get a lot more of that today in round two.
Tight ends getting some love in the first round. Beast tight ends, too, by the way.
But for me, it'd have to be just the Philadelphia Eagles just freaking muscling the draft again. They win the Super Bowl, then they finagle Kansas City out of their 31st pick and go and get Jihad Campbell out of the University of Alabama.
Probably one of the most versatile linebackers in this draft. He's an off-the-ball linebacker who can play inside.
He can go stand up and rush on the end. They finagle the Kansas City out of their pick after they just got whooped by them with defense.
And now you let them go and get your pick and bolster their defense. That's what Philly does, man.
Howie Roseman is a freaking goaded of teams right now.

So now, Philly just

adds a freaking beast of a linebacker

to already

stacked defense. So, the Eagles

with that pick, man, they're just, they're playing

chess, not checkers. Everyone else is playing catch-up.

Yeah, one of the things I love is just the

affirmation that the NFL

is just so powerful and so dominant

and perceptive.

And they get it. They read the room really

well. Like, the creation of this

Thank you. that the NFL is just so powerful and so dominant and perceptive,

and they get it.

They read the room really well.

Like the creation of this is something amazing from the old Radio City Music Hall days.

Every other pro sports team should take it. It's watching.

It's watching what the NFL does and following their lead.

They did something, and they did something twice last night,

which kind of made me do like a little goal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Denver and Buffalo with Make-A-Wish Teenagers to come out and make the pick for the programs that they care so much about. And the audience embraced it.
The beautiful people here in Green Bay and Wisconsin, you know, just said, Denver, Buffalo, proper. Well done.
I want that player to be successful because those young men who are fighting for their lives right now came out and made some. The NFL don't play no games, man.
That shield don't play. They picked the right logo.
That shield is a mug, I tell you that. Although when the commissioner came out with the bike right off the bat, I'm like, what is happening here? But that's Green Bay.
I know it is. It took me like about five seconds to be like, oh, got it.
All right. A little nod.
You've seen a couple more coming down. They were like shaking right in the back.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not riding a bike or something. Who thought the commissioner wasn't going to be able to make that first turn, by the way? I was like, he's going to go off the stage.
I didn't know Little Wayne was a diehard Packer fan. Oh, yeah.
Green and yellow. There we go.
Green and yellow. Green and yellow.
I think as we talk about all the time on our show, football, it's all about the fans and the connection and the love and the passion. And obviously Green Bay has some of the best fans in the world.
But that's what NFL, that's what they do, connecting the fans. And some of those stories are incredible.
Plenty more to come on this edition of Draft House, presented by our great partner, Nissan Triple Option Throwback Show coming

together. We've got a special guest coming on next, one of the greatest to ever play his position in college and in the pros, just recently retired.
Patrick Peterson is going to join us live. Coach has got a bit of a story.
I can't wait for you to see Patrick coming up next on the Draft House presented by Nissan. We're back in a quick break.

Wendy's has done new frosty flavors before, but never like this. This time, Wendy's is launching a whole new way to frosty,

which is now a verb with all new flavors to choose from.

It's the classic treat you know and you love.

But now with a little something extra, choose from Wendy's new Frosty Swirl flavors. You see three of them right up there.
You can get the strawberry, which is closest to me. Mark already going in.
We got brownie batter. Save it.
Save it, Mark. And caramel as well.
Whichever you choose, you can make it your own. A refresh on a classic.
It has got to be Wendy's. I know every operating system like the back of my head.
I have 25 years of experience and have worked with several people from your company. I've been recognized for my passion.
My team is everything. LinkedIn delivers candidates who rise above the rest.
With an up-to-date view into shared connections, skills, and interests you won't find anywhere else. See why 86% of small businesses who post a job on LinkedIn get a qualified candidate within a day.
Post a job for free at LinkedIn.com slash achieve. LinkedIn, your next great hire is here.
Go further with the American Express Business Gold Card. Earn three times membership rewards points on flights and prepaid hotels when you book through Amextravel.com.
Whether your destination is a business conference or a client meeting, your purchases will help you earn more points for future trips. Experience more on your travels with Amex Business Gold.
Terms apply. Learn more at americanexpress.com slash business dash gold.
Amex Business Gold Card, built for business by American Express. Aft House here in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Again, the throwbacks and the triple option just outside Lambeau Field. The Draft House presented by Nissan.
Time now for a very special guest, a former All-American at LSU, a round one pick, number five

overall by Arizona, three-time

first team All-Pro.

I need more sound effects from you, Mark.

An eight-time Pro Bowler.

2010 All-Decade

player from the NFL.

Recently retired, soon-to-be

Hall of Famer, Patrick

Peterson, everybody, is here.

That boy

Cody. That boy Cody,

man. Man, just

Thank you. Hall of Famer, Patrick Peterson, everybody, is here.
That boy

goaded. That boy goaded,

man. Man, just

a legendary person, a legendary player.

We both

been battling since Bama LSU

days. You know what I mean?

2011 draft class.

We've been going at it, man. Just much love, much respect

for what you've done on the field.

More importantly, who you are off the field, man.

So we're blessed and appreciative to have you

out here on the pod with us, brother. Man, I appreciate you guys as well for having me out here.
And it feels good being retired right now. Hey, it's good on this side.
No doubt about it. You're going to enjoy it.
It's good on this side, man. Well, how are you keeping your days full now that you're done? Man, golfing is one.
Yeah. He about He about a scratch golfer, Coach.
He looks like it. Almost.
Almost. I'm a five handicap, so I try to golf every day.
My wife has a Pilates studio, so I'm kind of like the general manager of that. Take my kids to school every morning.
Hell yeah. Pick them up every day.
I'm a chef as well at home, so I try to cook dinner at least three nights out of the week.

Sundays is the big dinner day.

But, yeah, I just try to do normal stuff now, man.

What's your go-to dish?

My kids love pasta.

Okay.

Yes.

So whatever pasta they like and pizza.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's awesome.

Hey, man, I just got to toss this to Coach, man.

I know you got an interesting story about us, man, with Pat Peavy. Go ahead.
I'm going to tell the story. Breaking news.
What you got, Coach? So I was on his podcast. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I told the story. And so we just won the – what year did you come out of high school? 08.
08. So we just won a title at Florida, and it was unfair what the talent we had.
I had him. It was done.
I put my best recruiter. He's from Edie High School down at Palm Beach area.
And Doc Holliday is recruiting him. And, man, the SEC, you just don't know what's going on, man.
And I got him. He's got the most wonderful family.
I mean, hugging, crying. And I actually hit his computer, you know, just sitting by that desk.
I'll never forget this. And I look over, and I nudge something, and on your screen comes a gator.
And I look at Doc, and I said, we're good. He goes, we're good.
We drive home, and so we're like a couple days from signing a date, and I get crickets, man. I call him up.
It's quiet. I can't get a hold of him.
I call Doc. Doc says, we're good.
We're good. I said, he's the best player in the country.
Doc, are we good? He said, we're good. Next thing I know, we don't get a hold of him.
And also, I see we're live streaming, if I remember right. I think of Georgia, LSU, Florida, probably Bama hat.
And I'm looking at Doc. I'm looking at Doc.
And he reaches over and grabs the LSU. I was like, no! The worst is we had to play against him for three years.
And so, he didn't have very good stats against Florida. You know why? You know why? We didn't throw at him.
We played 10 on 10. You stood over there.
I know what happened. That was a little bit of that pre-NIL.
They went over there and dropped that little Duffy off. So what happened? What happened? They dropped that.
What happened? Duffy off. No, I just played.
I just played. I just played.
I just played. No, it was.
A little bit of that money. Yeah, I was very close.
I was very close to going to Florida. And they had a loaded team.
You guys had tons of talent all over the place. But I felt like LSU was the better opportunity for me because their whole roster was leaving.
So if I was going to Florida. We had Joe Hayden.
Yeah, not that I was afraid of competition, but Joe Hayden was in his sophomore year. You guys just got Janoris Jenkins.
Ahmaud Black was, he came in as a corner, but you guys transferred him back to safety. So it was an easier route for me to go to LSU and win a Jim Thorpe, be the first to win a Jim Thorpe, you know, create DBU.
So I felt like the path was easier for me to go to LSU. Make number seven legendary.
Hey, do you remember, I remember, I mean, there's so many things you remember. I remember because we're playing in that damn stadium down at LSU.
I'm looking, because I'm on the sideline, obviously. Patrick's right there, and I'd be looking at him going, come on.
All the time. Come on.
All the time. Come on.
The most memorable one, though, was when was your last year in Florida? Was it 11th? 10th. So, yeah, that was the year we beat you guys with the flip over.
Terrible. Yeah.
Terrible. And I came over and was like, man, Coach, man, because I knew that was my last year anyway.
I was like, man, Coach, I'll never forget all the good times we had when you coming down there and visiting me at the house, coming to my high school game, me giving you and Doc the gator chop. Those were some fun times, man.
You're breaking his heart right now. I'm cheering on future Hall of Famer, man.
Let him tell that he didn't coach that 2010 team. Allegedly.
Yeah, allegedly he wasn't the coach of the 2010 Gators, allegedly. He was there, though.
I know because we whooped them, too. But we won and won against each other.
No, two and one, but he said the 2010 game doesn't count for whatever reason. Okay.
I have no idea. Pat, I would, as one of the all-time greats, I would love to get your perspective on just Travis Hunter.
I'm sure you've talked about it, but just the two ways. We kind of talked about it yesterday, just as we all know, everything that goes in with preparation on a week, especially DB.
I think DB, I think outside of quarterback, I think both of those are the toughest positions to play in sports as far as you being on an island and all that kind of stuff. Can he do it both ways? And where do you see that at the next level with him? I believe he can do it at both ways at the NFL level.
He's a special talent. I know Coach's seen a bunch of talent in his coaching career.
I don't know if Coach has seen many players like him. I mean, this guy can literally do it all.
And what he was able to do at the college level, I know a lot of guys were like, oh, he's playing against kids and this, that, and the other. But he may not be asked to have that type of workload at the NFL level, but he is superb on both sides of the ball.
So whatever position he plays 100%, I guarantee he's going to have a role on the opposite side of the ball. You know what I mean? And I don't want to say that he can't do it because we've never seen it, but he did it at a high level at the college level.
It's going to be interesting to see if he can do it. It's going to be hard, though.
It is going to be hard. I think Cam Newton said on his podcast, can you imagine going up and practice every day against Tyreek Hillman or going up against Tyreek and then Jalen Ramsey covering every snap? But when we say your role, I've seen people try to play a defensive player in a role in offense, and that serves two purposes.
A decoy and then use them. Is there any chance I heard a comment that they're going to do that? He's going to be an offensive player and then play a little bit of defense and learn the defense.
I've never heard that before. I've heard the opposite.
I've heard it. Full-time defense and they go over and play some offense.
That's going to be the first time I've ever heard of that. Have you ever heard of that before? No, I haven't.
It's going to be interesting. You remember with the Patriots.
Was it Troy Brown? Yeah, Troy Brown. Troy Brown did it a little bit.
He was a nickelback. That's right.
I was going to say, which one do you think would be best? Do you think it would be a full-time DB, 20 to 30 plays on offense, or a full-time wide receiver and then just be kind of like the nickel dying back? You know? Well, because the NFL, they play a lot of nickel. Right.
So it's like, what do you think's the best? Honestly, he got very, very lucky because most top five teams don't have a secure quarterback situation. So the Jaguars traded up.

I mean, I'm not saying that Trevor is a top-ten quarterback,

but he's a quarterback.

He's a quarterback.

He's capable of winning.

So he got lucky in that aspect.

So now he can play receiver.

Yes.

Because I was thinking he's going to be top five,

maybe going to Cleveland or somewhere like that.

Now he can start on the defensive side of the ball

and then get sprinkled in on the offensive side of the ball. So now with him being with Jacksonville, I can see him having a heavier role on the offensive side of the ball and playing nickelback on the defensive side of the ball, being in the money downs and third down situation, third down it goes, taking the number one receiver out and things like that.
What memories do you have from your draft night?

What comes back to you being here at the draft?

Man, being in New York, Radio City Hall with Mark, you know, Cam, A.J. Green, all of those guys.

Legendary draft.

What a class.

What a class.

Oh, my gosh.

It was unbelievable.

But I remember the moment, the day of the draft, you know, having my suit laid out. Yeah.
And the anxiety of not knowing where the heck you're going to be playing. You know, for the most part, we had control of where we wanted to play.
And for the first time, we had no idea. You know, so you've been hearing all type of speculations of Houston.
I had the possibility of being a number one pick up until the draft. We all knew Cam was going to be number one.
But then you just, you know, all right, I can be a Denver Bronco. I can be a Cincinnati Bengal.
You know, so it was just a bunch of anxiety and nervousness going through my body. But once I got, you know, with the guys and we had that big picture with all of us there, that's when everything started to calm down.
It's like I'm back in my element around the guys. Everybody's in a good place.
Let's see what happens. You look over your right shoulder, and you see one of the most historic buildings in all of athletics here in the United States.
What are some of your memories of Lambeau? Oh, man. I haven't won many games in that state.
You're not alone. But I do have a really good memory.
It was in the preseason. My second year in the NFL, I got interception off Aaron Rodgers.
But it was a lollipop. He literally threw it right to me.
But that's probably the only good memory that I have in Lambeau Stadium. And what's in store for you tonight in your affiliation with Arizona? I am announcing the second pick, the 47th pick, in the second round for the Arizona Cardinals.
Jerry wanted to get Giants. You should just go rogue and pick who you want, Patrick.
That's what I would say. I got asked a few years ago to announce the Giants second round pick.
I didn't get to do it, but I thought in my head, what would happen to me if I got up and just said who I think they should do? Do I get banned from any NFL anything of all time? Do I need to watch my bat? I think you know that answer, Jerry. What happens to me? I think you get banned.
Because every fan thinks they can make a pick. I'll tell you, Clay Matthews went off script.
Yeah, he did? He did. And Pat McAvee one year.
Yes. Oh, it's a cult.
Yes. Do you have a script? Are you just going to wing it? Just going to wing it.
Just going to do, yeah. Just going to wing it.
Rise up Red Sea. You still follow Arizona and who they draft and all that? Now that I'm on this side of the world right now, I will start paying closer attention to it.
Man, it's just retirement. Welcome to the good side.

You pick who you want, Patrick.

You take who you think is right for the first time.

He's earned it.

You earned that right.

So you never thought about coaching?

Nah, coach.

Nope.

Nope.

It's a hard no.

Yeah.

Only thing I want to do in football, if I was to get into, like, a football role,

is in the front office.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I feel like I would want to put my mind and really put my hands on a team. Yeah.
Like I feel like the coaching is too stressful. I played football long enough.
I've been away from my family long enough. Yeah.
I feel like I can be able to control my own work schedule. I still got a visual, man.
As good as he was on defense, I was a special teams coordinator. Your butt went back there to catch those punts, man.
Yeah, man. Yeah, I was a little Travis Hunter before Travis Hunter.
Right, coach? Did you ever play offense? I did. In college? No, not in college.
Just in high school. Oh, yeah, I remember that.
Yeah. It would be weird for you to coach.
Let's move on from that. Yeah.
I'm still pissed off about that. I can only imagine you coaching up DBs, but why can't you execute this? Because you can do it that way, but not everyone can do it the way you do.
That would probably be a little frustrating. I still understand why you can't do this.
That's how I am now with my girls in the house. Why we just can't listen? I was a good listener.
That's all I did all my life. Just listen.
But my wife's like, they're 10 and 5. They're different.
I was like, I got it. Green Bay, the good news is you don't have to worry about Patrick Peterson anymore.
He is off. He is retired.
Congratulations on a wonderful offer. Thank you very much.
And enjoy tonight, man. It's a really cool honor.
Something really special. And make sure you have the dinner planned for the kids later tonight since you're not there, all right? Yeah, actually, I cooked pasta last night.

A little cacio pepe?

A little cacio pepe?

I'm hungry now.

It's called mac and cheese, I believe.

Mac and cheese.

Patrick, so congratulations on everything.

Thanks so much for joining us live here.

One of the best to ever do it, man.

One of the best to ever do it.

One of the best.

Patrick Peterson, everybody.

Plenty more coming your way from the Draft House,

presented by Nissan from Green Bay.

Come up, quick little break,

and we're going to talk about round two and round three coming your way from the Draft House, presented by Nissan from Green Bay. Come up, quick little break, and we're going to talk about round two and round three.
Coming your way later tonight. If you are ready to take on the off-road, there's only one ride built for it.
The all-new 2025 Nissan Armada. Yeah, there's so much this beast can do, guys.
No matter their terrain, the mountains, the beach, off-roading, it's got up to 8,500 pounds of towing capacity. How many pounds? 8,500 pounds, Rob Stone.
Maybe you're hauling a jet ski up to the lake house. Maybe you're bringing your boat to the beach.
Remember I used to have a boat, Rob? I do remember the boat. You can tow heavy gear, haul your toys or tackle the toughest off-road terrain.
Nothing's out of reach. Yeah, it's also got tons of space on the interior.
I got a bunch of kids, so whether you're taking them to their 15 million activities or I'm a big golfer, throw four or five golf bags in the back seat, you got tons of room for it with the guys. Also, twin turbo V6 engine, so it's good for whatever you really want to throw at it.
Power, performance, and rugged toughness. It's like being behind the wheel of your own offensive line.
I'm telling you, this is the one. Get ready to adventure bigger in the all-new Nissan Armada.
By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things, like how family is precious. Work can always wait, and 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles.
Not everyone at risk will develop it, but I did. The painful, blistering rash disrupted my life for weeks.
Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today.
Sponsored by GSK. Click fast and save big.
Shop Blinds.com Spring Cyber Monday Sale and elevate your space with new custom window treatments today. DIY or let our pros handle everything from measure to install.
Blinds.com makes upgrading your home easy with free virtual consultations, honest pricing, and free samples delivered to your door. Shop confidently with our 100% satisfaction guarantee.
Hurry to Blinds.com Spring Cyber Monday sale now. Save up to 45% with minimum purchase plus a free measure.
Blinds.com. Rules and restrictions may apply.
Oh, Mark Ingram, I love you so much. Wendy's has done new frosty flavors before, but guys, never like this.
This time, Wendy's is launching a whole new way to frosty with all new flavors to choose from. You got the classic treat you know and love, but now with a little something extra, choose from Wendy's new frosty swirl flavors like strawberry, like brownie batter in the middle.
And by you, how are you going to pronounce it? Caramel. Caramel.
Caramel. Caramel.
Caramel. Come on.
You're a caramel guy. So fancy.
With a pinky up. Caramel.
I think it's more like caramel. Caramel.
Yeah, that's it. Just say it fast.
Caramel. Yes, exactly.
So those are your new frosty swirl flavors. Strawberry, brownie batter, caramel.
Whatever you choose, you can make it your own. A refresh on a classic.
It has got to be weddings, and we have got to be back in beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin. Yeah, the rain is coming down.
The temperatures are not rising. These people don't care.
They don't care. They're awesome.
It's football. It's football.
It's football. It's football weather.
It's football weather. I like it.
I feel like we're like week nine in the season right now. Is this acting weather, Jerry? No, because if this were acting, we'd actually be in like shorts and T-shirts because every time you need it to be cold, it's hot, and every time you need it to be hot, it's cold.
You're always acting opposite what the real weather is. Jerry is shaking right now.
What's the coldest you've ever been on set? Coldest you've ever been on set. Coldest.
We had a fake a summer fight scene once, and it was 18 degrees in New York. And it was supposed to be middle of the summer.
It's short. Yeah, that was rough.
That was rough. All right, we are back live from Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Of course, you see beautiful Lambeau Field right behind us here. The triple option throwbacks presented by Nissan here from the Draft House.
It's in the mid-40s right now. The feels like weather, according to Mark, is 30s, low 40s.
The feel is cold. Yeah, this kind of feels like we're Columbus in November, Ann Arbor in November.
It is time now for Cool Picks presented by Wendy's. Again, find your new favorite frosty flavor.
Wow, they put three F words in a row. That is tough.
I pulled that off. Find your new favorite frosty flavor today.
Favorite frosty flavor. Favorite frosty flavor.
Favorite frosty flavor today. Again, you got your brownie batter.
You got your strawberry swirl. You got your caramel swirl.
All right, so we're going to talk right now about some interesting talents that are still out there. Man, there's a lot of great talents out there.
Again, tonight, round two and round three. Mark, again, I'm going to start with you so I don't offend you.
I don't want to get on your bad side. One of the themes of this draft coming in was that it was thin at quarterback but deep at running back.
Two running backs taken in the first round.

Both of them, you know, legit, legit guys.

Like day one starting guys.

There's a flood of talent still sitting out there.

Big shout out to the running backs, man.

Ashton Gentry, number six.

Omari and Hampton going to the Chargers.

Two first round backs.

We love the backs going into the first round.

But there's going to be some teams that get some very high quality,

productive, experienced backs here in the next two or three rounds, man.

And what I'm looking forward

to in particular is Quinshawn Judkins,

the running back for the Ohio State University.

You're talking about a back who has been

productive in the SEC and the

Big Ten. He's been over 1,000 yards

for three straight seasons,

over 14 touchdowns, three straight

seasons. Hold on, Mark.

The scintillating video of Coach

over here cleaning his glasses.

Coach is ready for his

Thank you. No.
Dang, Coach. I got the other back.
This is like another day on Big Nude.

Right?

Yeah.

Coach over here.

Coach over here.

Talking, Coach.

Oh, God.

Come on, Mark.

I'm sorry, brother. No, no, no, no, no.

I couldn't resist.

You got to make sure the transitions.

Are you guys done worrying about my glasses?

No, man.

They are always a focal point.

That's the talk of the segment now.

Yeah.

Coach's transitions.

You got some soft transitions going on, too, as well. Those are the transition.
Are those prescriptions? You know, he's just a little bit of that. You heard me.
You know what I'm talking about? You've got to stay clean. You know what I mean? Oh, God.
Yeah, so Quirshon Juck is man. So, yeah.
For everybody out there, this is what we get every single week on the road. This is the best.
So his running mate in Columbus is your focus. Yeah, Travion Henderson came back for his senior year, and whoever advised him did the right thing.
And that's, once again, the negatives of NIL. Travion, I don't know what he made.
He probably made a lot of money to come back. But whoever advised him, that was correct advice.
I thought, Mark, I thought he played his way into the first round. His junior year, he was the first hit, go down type player.
That was his reputation. Great speed.
You see how I listen when I clean my transitions? I like that. Those transitions, too.
Learn from me. Learn from me.
But Travion, I'm surprised he did not go in the first round. I thought he's a first-round talent.
He worked his way, in my opinion, to the first round. He was not a first-rounder his junior year, and so I think he'll go within the first three, four picks of the second round.
He's great out of the backfield, very good hands, his explosiveness, he's the deal.

You think he's next up?

You think he's the first back off the board today?

You know what?

Whatever the training they did with him, I know Ohio State had a new running back coach,

but he became a post-contact runner, which he was not.

Well, that's something that he had to work on.

So when you come back for another year, you know you have to improve in certain areas,

and he improved significantly in running between the tackles

and getting running behind his pads.

Remember, he was a first.

He'd go down.

He'd get tackled.

He didn't get tackled.

I'll be right back. He had to improve in certain areas, and he improved significantly.
And running between the tackles and getting running behind his pads. You remember, he was a first.
He'd go down. He'd get tackled.
He didn't get tackled. He ripped through tackles.
You know, another thing, too. His maturity was tested last season, right? We're going to bring in a tailback to split carries with you.
And he took that one for the team and said, you know what? The higher goal is winning the national title. I never heard a bit of attitude from him.
In the summer camp when I was there, I saw him. He was like, we're here to win a title, man.
He wants 20 carries a game, you got it. If I'm the guy, you got it.
That tells me a lot about Travion. That's what you want in a player, though, a player who's not afraid to compete.
And Quinshawn Jenkins being there made him better. They both made each other better.
And also took some wear and tear off their bodies as well, right? Not as many hits, not as many carries. It's very similar to what, I mean, Emeka Abuka last night got drafted first round.
But we talked about it. Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Jeremiah Smith took all the headlines. Abuka came back to school, kind of just did his role, and he was a first-round draft pick too.
So Ohio State, what, four first-round picks last night? To all you youngins out there. And they're going to have more today with those running backs.
So, just tell them, all the young guys out there, they're just leaving and going with the win. Control what you can control.
Your attitude, your preparation, how you work, how you're a teammate. Do things the right way, and you will reap what you sow, which you've seen with a Mecca Egg Booker, and you will see today with Travion Anderson and Quincy John Jenkins.
And, again, this is cool picks presented by Wendy's, and we have these three swirl frosties out here. Brownie batter.
Mark is a brownie batter guy in the middle. All right, Coach, you are a what? I know it's frosty weather right now.
I've gone back and forth with caramel. Caramel? No way.
Okay. All right, those are your two picks.
Matt, I'm going to end with you. But, Jared, I want to go with you.
We talked yesterday. Cleveland had the ability to be one of the big winners of the draft.
They made a big move. Coach talked about it earlier.
Their draft is far, far from done, and today's going to be really fascinating with the Browns. Yeah, I love the early action, like I said.
I thought it was a cool trade to get out of the first round. Cool trade brought to you by Wendy's.
Good job. You like how I did that, right? But obviously the defense now is setting up to be good.
But I think the run on wide receivers is going to continue to come. And I think you've got to grab one of these two second-round picks.
There's a ton of wide receivers out there. Yeah, I'm looking at Luther Byrne out of Missouri.
I think that, you know, Jerry Judy had a really good year. Jameis got on the ball.
And we talked a lot about Ohio. And, you know, my wife's from Cleveland, so I'm talking.
A lot of my friends out there, their kids are a little upset that Travis Hunter wasn't there. They already wanted to buy the jersey, but I think they could set up to really bolster the offense now with these two second-round picks.
Again, two of the first four picks in the second round belong to the Browns, and they have two first-rounders next year that they can play with as well. And Strawberry Frosty.
Strawberry. I got to chop one up for, I'm not going to lie.
They're all great. Strawberry never fails.
They're all great. Matt, before we get to your player, your cool pick, what's your cool pick Frosty Swirl? Honestly, I was leaning heavily towards caramel before because I'm a big caramel guy.
Caramel. But, man, that brownie batter was caramel.
That brownie batter. Okay.
All, so the one guy that everybody was talking about yesterday, and they're talking about even more today, is Shador Sanders. Yeah, I mean, it was crazy.
He was the talk of the first round where he was going to go or where he was going to fall to. And I just talked about it a little earlier, the Steelers passed on at 21.
Then we saw the Giants trade back in to get Jackson Dart who clearly was their guy in this draft and I would be shocked if Cleveland doesn't take him with the first pick of the second round tonight I would be shocked but it's it's just interesting you know it's interesting you know there's so much and coach and you've been a part of this the evaluation, and there's so many narratives being thrown around and this and that.

And the kid kind of took a beating throughout this process,

probably because of his name and probably because of all of the attention that Colorado received the last couple years.

I'm rooting for him.

I think he's a really, really good football player.

And I would say this.

I think there's less pressure on him now.

There's a big difference between being a first-round draft pick and a second round and so on and so forth at that position yeah there's less pressure on him wherever he goes to go beat the guy right away because one he's not making first round money and in a way it might be the greatest blessing that ever happens to he's a hell of a player he's gonna go work and he's gonna do all that but uh i'm interested to see where he goes my gut is see where he goes. My gut is I feel like it has to be Cleveland because Pittsburgh doesn't have a pick, so we'll see what they do.
Is there a real chip on the shoulder thing? I know we talk, like media talks about, I was going to have a real chip on the shoulder, but from a player's perspective, now you're right, the first round's over, so that whole thing is out. You can forget about that, move past it.
If he goes in the second round or later, is that a real thing? Because I can't imagine he's going to work extra hard he was going to work hard no matter what right you know i want to ask you a question yeah matt the we talked about green bay they kind of have the secret sauce on how to develop quarterbacks here they take aaron rogers learns from one of the greatest of all time brett farve they take love he learns Aaron Rodgers. How many quarterbacks? I saw a stat yesterday.
Quarterbacks that are forced to go play as a rookie, it doesn't end well a lot of times. The quarterbacks that have these great careers, Tom Brady, they learn the difference between big boy ball and college ball.
Maybe it is a blessing. Shador goes, backs up someone for a couple years.
If that was my son, that's where I would want him to go. I'd want him to go learn the game, not be put in harm's way, and just get beat to death on some bad team.
There's a couple players, like even Jaden Daniels last year. I don't know if we thought Jaden Daniels was going to go out and be what he was.
I mean, he was Daniel, MVP of the league. That kid is special.
But he is transcendent talent with his ability to run. And he had Cliff Kingsbury, who knew exactly what to do with him.
And so we saw that talent. And he made guys around him better.
I mean, they had Terry McLaurin. But it's not like the commanders have a ton of weapons on the outside.
Shador needs – Shador's a type of quarterback who just – he needs a good team around him. He needs really good football players.
He needs to learn. He needs a great offensive coordinator, a great play caller.
I do worry Cleveland. Like you just talked about it, Jerry Judy's their guy, and a lot of that was Jameis Winston just giving him the rock and slinging it.
300-yard receiving game. You look at the weapons they have or the lack thereof.
But Joe Flacco is there.

Maybe it's a perfect guy to learn from for a year, maybe two.

That's why I love Jackson Dart.

He's going to New York to back up Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston.

You're not thrust into the limelight in New York right away.

But I'm with you, Coach.

It's a tough transition.

I just feel like it's going to be a blessing for him to kind of have that

first round, all of this stuff, all the pressure off of him,

a with you coach it's it's a tough transition and if you're i just feel like it was it's it's going to be a blessing for him to kind of have that first round all of this stuff all the pressure off of him and go out there and just go work because we know he will he's going to work and uh i think he's going to end up being a good player let's talk about jay daniels real quick so the one thing when you think about he was closest to the nfl and the sec so he was facing a lot of NFL players all season long at LSU. Shador has not.

Shador has not faced NFL talent. Yeah.
Well, and the common thing you're seeing with players like Jay and Daniels, they played six years. So they had extra years of experience.
Bo Nix, six years. Michael Penix, six years.
So that's experience and time on task. And there is no better learning lesson than experience.
And so you got these 24-, 25-year-old quarterbacks who are mature, kind of young men, kind of had a lot of experience, and they're going into the league and being successful right away. But back to what Jerry said, like with that chip on your shoulder, Shadur has always had this underdog mentality.
I've seen something like he posted the other day. He was like, you know, I've always been looked over.
I was a three-star quarterback. I went to Jackson State.
I go to Colorado. So he's always had this underdog mentality, and I think that's going to continue to carry him.
You know what I mean? Serving well. Yeah, I think it's going to continue to carry him because you do.
When you have a chip on your shoulder, it's not just like, okay, I have a chip on my shoulder. It's no like the days where you don't feel like doing it and the days you don't feel good, you remember how you felt the first round with your whole family with you.

You remember how that felt, and it makes you go harder.

So that chip does carry.

I was one of those players that played with a chip on my shoulder.

You know what I mean?

And I think that does carry.

I think it serves as a great motivating factor,

especially when you go through something like he did yesterday.

A little humble pie.

Yeah.

Just a little humble pie.

He was great motivation. He was great.

He posted that video last night. I thought he was great.
He was like, it wasn't what we expected. It is what it is.
I'll be ready when my name's called. We'll still be happy.
I'm going to still be happy. It's going to be called tonight.
It is going to be called tonight. Shanoe Sanders will be drafted today.
I think he's going 33rd, first pick. Let me throw out a couple other names here.
We talked about this run on running backs. Caleb Johnson, the Iowa tailback, 6'1", 224, 1,500 yards and 21 touchdowns last year.
That is a stud. Our guy, Dylan Sampson.
Scadaboo. Scadaboo.
Scadaboo still sitting out there. Our run on wide receivers.
There's two from TCU, and I'm a little close to the TCU program right now, but Jack Besch, 1,000 yards, senior bowl MVP. Savion Williams, really versatile, tall playmaker, can do a ton of stuff for them.
He's going to be interesting. A sleeper wide receiver, Isaiah Bond.
Yes, another one, another one for sure. Defense, one quick name, a guy we all like, and I think if your team selects Jack Sawyer, you are very happy.
You are secure and you are upbeat. We got a good guy who's a good player and is great in the locker room.
Another good prospect, Nick Emanwari, the safety out of South Carolina, a dog. Hey, talk about Cam Chancellor.
He's got size like that. He's a big old dude.
I want to throw one position out here. It's not a sexy position, but to me it's fascinating.
Center. You get the right center, you are locked and loaded for 10, 12, 15 years.
You get the right guy, and the best centers are still out there. Jared Wilson from UGA, from Georgia, only a one-year starter.
Seth McLaughlin, remember, played at Alabama. Ohio State had the Achilles injury.
The Achilles injury in November. That is a sleeper position, Stoner.
Who touches the ball more than the freaking center? Nobody. Other than the quarterback.
Other than the quarterback. Yeah, I'm fascinated by that.
He might get more snaps if you have a Wildcat QB, too. There's nothing like a QB-center relationship.
I I know you up in there nice and personal. Getting in a personal space.
There's nothing better than a sweaty ass. Oh, my gosh.
You're welcome, Green Bay. You're welcome.
Amen. Throwback's the triple option.
Nothing better than a sweaty ass. I had a great story, but we go to break.
You know what? We can go. We'll sit on the break for a little bit.
That's my motto. That's the new motto.
Nothing better than a sweaty ass. I'm telling you what, man.
There is nothing worse than just getting there. I'm going to be careful what I say here because I know Mark's going to be ripping me.
Like, I was in Houston in 110-degree weather in August in training camp, and the centers had to switch out their shorts to their pants three times during practice because you get up in there, and it's just dripping on your hand. Oh, my gosh.
No, and it drips on you. The ball and all that kind of stuff, man.
I'll tell you what. Alex Parsons, I'll never forget.
Alex Parsons was my center in Oakland. I was the backup, so he was number two.
So when we go in, he had to carry an extra pair of pants on the sidelines. No, because he was a sweater.
I told him. I was like, bro.
Are you guys enjoying this story, Green Bay? You don't get this nowhere. Guys, guys, keep it going.
This is the stuff that happens. You can't get this nowhere other than a quarterback who's been up in there under that thing.
You feel me? Green 80s. Hop, hop, hop, hop, hop.
Hop, hop, hop. Oh.
Hey, but by the way, then we grabbed that and then, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, All right, we're going to go sanitize our hands and our brains right now and take a quick little break when the draft house,

presented by Nissan, returns to Green Bay.

Scott, we're going to talk more about the NFL draft coming away.

It is the throwbacks.

It is the triple auction.

Coming together to talk about topics we didn't really have in our rundown.

We're going to take a quick break,

and Matt's going to tell us some more gross things during the break.

That ass. a quick break and matt's going to tell us some more gross things during the break that ass welcome everybody back to the draft house presented by nissan live from green bay wisconsin right across the street from that historic venue lambeau field the home of the Green Bay Packers.
Good afternoon, everybody in Green Bay. Thanks for joining us live here from the Draft House, presented by Nissan.
The guys from the Triple Option and the Throwbacks here with you. And if you are ready to take on the off-road, Matthew, there is only one ride built for it.
It is the all-new 2025 Nissan Armada. Yeah, and this beast, guys, there's so much it can do.
It can handle all sorts of terrain, mountains, beach, off-roading. Got up to 8,500 pounds of towing capacity.
Maybe you're hauling a jet ski up to the lake house. Maybe you're bringing your boat out to the ocean.
You can tow heavy gear, haul your toys, or tackle the toughest off-road terrain. Nothing's out of reach with this car.
So for me, it's about the space in the interior. I got about 400 kid activities every day, so I'm carpooling constantly.
I'm a golf guy, so I like to throw a couple of golf bags in the back and go play around. It's also got a twin turbo V6 engine, so it's good to go for whatever you really throw at it.
Power. Yeah.
Performance. Yes.
And rugged toughness. It's like behind the wheel of your own offensive line.
I'm telling you, this is the one. Get ready to adventure bigger in the all-new Nissan Armada.
Let's go, boys. Oh, man.
Here we go. How many people here have done the ice fishing thing? Right? Are we – is it – Wow, look at that.
Wow. Right? Have you guys ever done the ice fishing? No, I'm down.
No, I'm down. Zero chance.
I would love to do that. I like the ice fish.
Armada, throw all that ice fishing gear. What do you guys need? You need tents.
You need a cooler. There's zero chance I'm going on a frozen lake.
Yeah, you need some of those in the cans. What fish are we catching when we ice fish? Walleye.
Walleye. We've got some walleye, some perch, and I don't know what else.

Do you fry it?

Of course you fry it.

We fry it.

We grill it.

That's what we do.

We pan-sear it.

Saute it.

We all the ways.

You're not pan-searing perch.

I don't know.

We going to get flavors.

I discovered walleye a few years ago.

It's good, man.

We going to grill it.

Proper walleye hits.

Welcome back to the Draft House presented by Nissan.

Again, we are live from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Rob, Bay Wisconsin Rob Jerry Urban Matt and Mark back here with you round two and round three from the NFL draft coming your way live a little bit later tonight coach I'm curious about the interactions that you have had with the NFL in your time as a head coach whether it was at Utah or Florida maybe even Bowling Green and obviously Ohio State, the conversations that would come into you and how you would manage them about your players.
Yeah, you develop relationships with coaches and GMs over the years and assistant coaches and scouts and you'd earn a lot of respect and get to know them. And so I had a really tough situation happen one time.
I was at the University of Florida, and I had a team full of draft picks. And the scout would come in, and I just kind of felt you dealt with him honestly.
You know, and they're telling me about this guy. I said, yeah, he's a little stiff.
He's, you know, he's got this issue and this issue. And I'm being real honest with him.
And the player fell out of the fell out of the first round and the family comes in my office and said I was told by the scout or I was told by someone that I said that and they were pissed off at me I played for you coach I gave you everything how can you do that I'm looking at this, and I got so angry that from that point forward in my career, I instructed my coaching staff, and I never, when a scout that I didn't know came in and said, tell me about Mark Ingram. He's a great player.
I love that dude. He gave me everything he had.
I'd take him. Coach, angry with yourself and how you handled the situation? No, angry with the gold trust anybody.
It broke the trust bonds. And as a head coach, I'm obligated to you guys.
I'm not obligated to the Packers, the Bills, the, you know, the Giants. I would have been mad at you too, Coach.
I would have been really upset. So from that point forward, I would instruct my staff every year, you do not, that's none of their business.
Let them go figure it out. Now, is that the right way to do business? Your loyalty is with your players.
Yes. And so from that point forward, now, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, who come in, who I have a good relationship with, they'd ask me that.
I'd wait for them to ask me the question, and then I'd also say, this is it. Because I have an obligation also to be honest, too.
That's a really interesting dilemma that you deal with. And on the flip side, maybe you might have some conversations with some scouts who are like, why are you putting this guy up so high on the board? He's not top 10 material.
He needs another year in college, right? And a lot of kids will read these draft boards and get excited about, hey, maybe I do need to jump. And when you know maybe deep in your heart of hearts, another year would really serve a better purpose.
That's a tough one. I want to tell this story, too, that I had, you know, the agents, they're like in any walks of life, you have really great agents.
And you have some that aren't so great. They're self-serving.
And I had a player one time come in and say, I'm leaving after my junior year. And I said, you're not ready.
You're not leaving. And, of course, there's that third uncle sitting there.
Oh, he's ready. He's ready.
And then I had the guy says, my agent told me he could get me up into the second round. And I said, listen, you're a free agent or you're a late-round pick.
Here I'm going to put the general manager of the Steelers, I used to call him, or Rick Spielman. And if Rick Spielman said he should leave, then I'd tell him.
But if Rick Spielman said, no, he needs one more year, I'd tell him as well. But then the player would hear from some agent or someone saying, I can get you into the second round.
There's not an agent that exists that can get a player. The agent can't get you nowhere.
You know who gets the player to the second round? The player. Yes.
By playing. The agent can't get you improved draft style.
You as the player have to go out there and perform, test, interview, and that can up your draft style. This is not an indictment on agents.
It's just the reality. Sometimes they're like, what are you talking about? It's the same thing with the transfer portal too, right? Sure.
They have all of this. So many people in your ear saying, go here, go here.
We've seen that the grass is not always greener. A 20-20-year-old is not equipped to make the major life decisions.
That's why they need their father. They need a coach, someone that has their best interest at heart.
And also how NIL has changed this conversation as well, because now these kids are getting paid to stick around for another year at a good price point. And guess what? I can mature.
I can become a better player for the NFL with that extra year in college and still be getting taken care of. We've got about another 10 minutes left here from the Draft House presented by Nissan.
The throwbacks, the triple option guys here with you. Time now.
Let's hand it over to Jerry. We've got some fan questions out there.
Yes. Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.
I hand-picked these guys. Thousands of questions I've picked these.
Thousands of questions. Turtle, turtle, proctor, proctor.
Got to pick a character, Mark. Got.
Gotta pick a character. Alright, this is from Dan in Houston, and I don't know how we feel about this.
I know this year's draft isn't over, but I'm already looking ahead to next year. Maybe his team didn't get what they did because the Texans traded out and around.
Any names start familiarizing myself now for 2020? Arch Manning, everybody. Arch Manning.
Well, Houston doesn't need a quarterback.

No, but just, I don't even think for Houston,

just maybe in general.

That's what I think he was asking.

There's already those conversations about those programs out there saying,

maybe we hold off on the QB this year

because it's not a quote-unquote great QB stock.

And Matt, next year, they're already talking

about some of the great quarterbacks

that could become available.

Well, I'm looking it up right now

because in a couple months here, we're about to be going back to work. That's right.
We're starting work early. The quarterback class next year is loaded, I think, because you have obviously have potentially Arch.
He hasn't played a lot of football, so we'll see Nussmeyer out of LSU. You have Drew Aller.
Maybe he's the talent. You got Arizona State, Levitt.

Coach, you're so bad.

Kevin Jennings at SMU.

I mean, it's a very, very, very deep class.

Carson Beck.

I don't know.

What, Coach?

I'm still thinking about Shudor Sanders.

I'm not worried about next year.

Is that class really that much better? You know who's a star? Yeah, Caleb Downs. Ohio State safety.
He's going to be a top five pick next year. All right, I got another one.
This one might be a selfish one from the Green Bay fans here. But Terry from Green Bay, could you envision Green Bay or another cold-weather city getting a Super Bowl?

We saw it in New York.

I kind of want it to happen, don't you?

Do they have enough accommodations?

No offense, that's not going to happen. Never happening, right?

It's not going to happen.

They don't have enough accommodations, I don't think.

I think the last cold-weather city was what, Minnesota?

But that's dope.

I'm talking about just outdoor game as well.

That was not good, I don't think. The New York game? No, even though it was in a dome.
Right. It was tough for all the other activities.
It was freezing. They would never have an outdoor game.
I just can't imagine they're ever going to have an outdoor game in February. It would be kind of cool.
You know what? I'm going to take the next fan question because I am curious about this too. I do love Green Bay, by the way.
Yes. Oh, absolutely.
No doubt. And what's better than Green Bay in February? Am I right? Yeah.
Do you guys think any... What is it like now when these young players getting drafted, coming to the team, a lot of them are coming into this situation already pretty well off financially.
And they obviously are going to... That position's going to change.
They're going to make NFL money. Is that going to be different at all? You think, like, young kid walking in, you just got drafted, and you already, you know, made some good money in your, but yeah.
You have a couple millions already. Right.
Is it going to be hard to do the rookie stay, rook? It's like, rook. Yeah, I can't relate, but I would, I, being a rookie, no matter what, it's all about getting the respect of your teammates, and those guys, vets, they don't give two shits.
No one's going to feel bad about making you pick up the bill at dinner now. You can't come in and thinking you're all hot.
You have to come in and work and earn the respect no matter what position you are. You're going to have to pick up the pads.
You're going to have to do some rookie stuff. Just do it.
And everyone before you had to do it. So what makes you better than everyone else that has come before you? So just be a good rookie.
Be respectful. Don't be talking shit.
Be a good rookie. So here I want to ask you guys this.
So Charlie Strong, my dear friend that was my assistant head coach, when I first got hired at Florida, he said, these kids in Florida and the south are different. This is their way to go eat.
I said, what do you mean? He said, because we're at notre dame and usually you get you know a little if you don't from a you know high-end school and all that you're you're down south in some of these places he's a coach you go down to okachobee and the block down there yeah they're trying to eat yeah you're gonna see kids you're gonna see and i'll never forget man i I was exposed to this is their way out. Yeah.
This is their way. And when you coach a player that's hungry, nothing like it.
Yeah. Or a team that's hungry.
Yeah. My question is, Shador made 4.7 mil last year is what I heard.
Do you lose your hunger? You guys made a lot of money. He's getting a new fuel

up under him right now. Do you see players

lose their hunger when they get paid, though? Some people

do. That's why you have to get the right player.
That's why

the character, you talked about the question that you ask

about players. How do they feel about money?

How is their support system around them? Because

some players love the game so

much where the money is just

part of it, right? And some people

only do it for the money. And the player you want is the player who loves the game so much, day in, day out.
Injury, no injury, competition, competition, first ring, second ring, they're going to give you everything they got because they want to be the best player they can possibly be. Did you witness players lose their hunger? Of course.
Of course. Some people have that hunger as a rookie, then they get the second contract, and they get complacent.
And they don't perform the same way they did to get the deal but then you have other people who continue to press the envelope patrick peterson he was the number he was the fifth pick he made a lot of money he was never content with the money he wanted to be the greatest player to ever play the game at the cornerback position and he played 13 years all decade he'll a Hall of Famer. So you have to know the character, the family, and what drives this player.
So college coaches used to say the players enter their junior year. That's their contract year in college.
They're entering their contract year. Their contract year now is going into college.
I would often get asked on the acting level for advice for some younger people. And you can't really relate anything to football because you're not putting bodily harm at risk.
But I would always say, would you want to do this if it didn't pay well? It just was like, hey, you're going to make a living wage. Is this still what you would do? And I know football, again, is different because you're literally risking.
But I feel like there's a lot of guys out there that would still say, yeah, I want to strap it up and play.'s a kid's game, man. You get to do this.
You get to play, and you get to do it for a living. And, like, yes, you make good money.
Yes, you do have the chance to set your family up for a good future. But at the same time, what does it mean to you? Right.
When I went out there to tote the rock, I wanted to be the best running back in the league. I wanted to prove that I was one of the best ever to carry the rock.
That was my motivation. That was why I grinded through surgeries, through sharing backfields, through ups and downs.
I had it in my mind I wanted to be the best player to ever touch the football. Now that's high things to think of yourself, but that's what drove me.
That's what drove me. All right, let's see.
I think we got one more. All right, this is Dylan from Columbus said for Urban urban truly how involved is the head coach in the draft process the relationship with the gm how much weight does your voice carry in terms of who gets selected obviously i was only exposed one time it was very involved depends on who the head coach is it depends who the gm and the owner is the power structure of the organism the hierarchy yeah a lot of times it's owner gm coaching staff if it's the same level then uh so It's the power structure of the hierarchy.
A lot of times it's owner, GM, coaching staff.

If it's the same level, then.

So it's dependent.

Of the 32 teams, it's all varied.

Well, I'm a big basketball fan.

Not to make a basketball reference, but we saw the Nuggets GM and coach both get fired

because they just couldn't figure it out.

Couldn't get right.

Together.

So you can really see that dynamic is probably a little fragile.

I know Sean Payton had a say.

You know Bill Belichick has a say. You know Andy Reid has a say.
Depends on who your head coach is, right? That's all we got from the family. Good questions, Green Bay.
Way to lobby for the Super Bowl to be played here. I don't think it's going to happen.
I'm in favor of it. I'm in favor.
All right, so coming into our two days here with the triple option and the throwbacks and the draft house presented by Nissan, Mark and Matt had been to Green Bay. They had played in Lambeau Field behind us.
The three of us were newbies. So for the three of us, and Jerry, I'll start with you.
The takeaway of what Green Bay is and was for us over these last 48 hours. I mean, for me, I'm a big moments guy, right? That's what I look for when I'm watching a movie or a show.
And what I love about sports is the moment and the story. And I thought the moment last night with Golden and that Green Bay pick, I thought that is a moment we will replay for drafts to come when we talk about what is one of the best.
When we're doing a top 10 list 10 years from now, cool draft moments, that is going to be easily in the top three, if not number one. That's an awesome draft moment.
So props to the Green Bay fans. It's a great place to have a draft.
You know, A.J. Hawks, a dear friend, and Colin Coward, I just did a show before, and Green Bay has this reputation of being incredibly friendly people.
They come out, they support their team, a very unique, the way they own their team. Yes.
I am blown away at the people of Green Bay from the restaurant we went to last night, these people here. You guys are unique, man.
It's a great place. Yeah, that is not a lie.
We're not glossing things over. We knew...
The reputation fits. Yeah, we knew how great the Midwest was.
We knew how great Wisconsin and Green Bay was. But to see it and experience it, hear it and feel it firsthand, different.
You guys are different. And we appreciate you.
You guys have been fantastic hosts. It's raining.
It's cold. You don't care.
We're here to talk football. We're in Titletown, man.
We got cheese curds. We got cold beer, and we've got other things that are fried, and we've got great NFL history here.
And we've got Matt Leiner telling you wonderful stories that will haunt you for the rest of your weekend. We've got colonoscopies.
We brought it. We brought it.
We're so versatile. We'll give the fans a second one next week.
We make it hot. All right.
We want to thank everybody in Green Bay. Make it hot.
You guys have been an awesome, incredible crowd. Thank you.
Thank you guys for joining us. We appreciate everybody watching.
Nissan and Wendy's. Nissan and Wendy's are great sponsors.
Keep watching, keep liking, listening to us on the throwbacks and the triple option. What do we need to do? We need to share.
We need to like. We need to spread.
Follow. Subscribe.
Pound the like button. And as always, leave great reviews and comments.
All that. And our love is always to our wonderful sponsors, Wendy's and Nissan, what you guys put on these last

two days. Absolutely incredible.
We will see

you guys coming up a little bit later in

your ear and in front of your eyes on

the throwbacks and the triple option.

Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching, everybody.

Yeah.