The Triple Option and Throwbacks Live presented by Nissan | Day 1

Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you.
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We got some Vikings fans running around here. We got a lot of Packers, Colts.
Who's ready for this NFL draft, huh? Awesome. Hey, thank you all for joining us.
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So first time ever, guys, our two podcasts are crossing over live. Triple option, throwbacks.
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Just go to the triple option or the throwbacks handle. Again, my name is Rob Stone.
Who's ready to meet the rest of the guests here, right? We're ready. All right.
We're going to need a little bit better than that. Who's ready to meet our co-hosts, huh? There we go, Green Bay.
That's what we're talking about. All right.
We got any Michigan football fans out there? All right, get ready to boo. All right, well, let's see.
Hold on. OH! All right, I think Michigan's going to win this one.
He is... Let's go, Badgers! There we go.
Play to the home crowd, Rob. Play to the home crowd.
You should know better than that. He is a three-time national champion head coach.
He has sent multiple first-round picks to the NFL, and he is a 2025 College Football Hall of Fame inductee. He is the Urban Meyer.
Give him the OH, coach. Give him the OH, coach.

Give him the OH.

There's a few.

There we go.

There we go.

Urban Meyer.

All right.

Hold on.

Luke Fickle heat coming in.

She just gave me one of those.

I thought we were in the Midwest.

I thought this is like everybody's come together with cheese curds and beer and love and hugs.

All right, we'll talk about that after the show.

All right, let's bring on our second co-host.

He is a national champion from the University of Alabama.

He is a Heisman Trophy winner, a first-round pick, a former Pro Bowler.

He is deuce, deuce.

Mark Ingram, the second.

What's up, baby?

All right.

Man, he smells as good as he looks, everybody.

Just so you know that.

It's the truth.

Show him the zippers on the back of the pants.

Don't understand.

This is the Midwest look, right? The Midwest approves of this. I don't know what the hell he's doing either.
I don't get it either. All right.
This man goes by many names. He's got a ton of talents.
He is an actor. He is a writer.
He is a producer. He is a director.
He's a gopher. He is a production assistant.
He does it all. You might know him as Joe Proctor.
Maybe you know him better as Turtle. He is a director.
He's a gopher. He is a production assistant.
He does it all.

You might know him as Joe Proctor.

Maybe you know him better as Turtle.

He is a New York sports super fan. He is also the proud recipient of a recent colonoscopy,

and he's happy to tell you all about it in great detail.

He is Jerry Ferrara.

You're welcome. Welcome.
Had to get that in. All right.
One more. One more to go.
You guys ready? We already have one Heisman Trophy winner. We already have two national champs.
We're going to add to both of it. So a Heisman Trophy winner from the University of Southern California.
Fight on. He is a former All-American.

He is a college football Hall of Famer.

So here at the Nissan Drafthouse,

with the 10th overall pick we select from USC,

Matt Leinert.

He's got the suit, people.

Hold on.

The original hat.

This is what we used to wear back in the day in 2006.

Mark, what do you think, Mark?

I like it.

I like it.

Hold on.

Turn around.

The camera's got to see it.

What do we do with this button, Midwest?

Does anybody know?

Who has four buttons anymore?

Nobody, right?

What do you guys think? Take it! Take it! Take it! Take it! Hey, this is PG. She is spicy.
She is spicy. All right.
Hey! I want to take this off. All right, here we go.
Four buttons. Four buttons.
Four buttons. It's a good look.
Thank you. It's really not a good look, but...
Seth, Matthew, let's talk. Alright, so here we go.
Four bites? Four bites. Four bites? It's a good look.
Thank you, man. It's really not a good look, but.
What's that, Matthew? Let's talk. All right, so here we are.
Thank you. This is like more material.
This could clothe my entire family. All right, here we are.
Iconic Lambeau Field. You guys know this place well.
You hear it, Rob? Some of us have never been here before. For Jerry, Coach, and myself, this is our first time, but Mark, you started your NFL career right there.
Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did, man.
My first NFL game was the NFL kickoff, you know, the kickoff, whatever, on Thursday, and it was right here in Lambeau, man, and yes, they did win. Yeah, they won.
It was a close game. And we had a goal line stand stoner.
So it's like on the one-yard line, last play of the game, right? And, of course, we lined everybody up. Coach, what did you say? We lined everybody up.
22 people within three yards of the ball. We lined everybody up everybody up, and their D line just torpedoes the O line, and then linebackers just jump over the top, and I'm just get the ball, and there's just green jerseys just falling on me.
So that was the dream start to my NFL career. Do you remember 2017, though, as a Saint? Yeah, I tapped that ass that time.
Yeah, and I did a Lambeau leap. I'm sorry.
Did you? I found a Saints fan, did a Lambeau leap, turned up in the – they weren't happy with me that day. And I had my career game against the Packers.
Sunday night they was in New Orleans, hung up 172 on them, a couple TDs, you know, hit the beanie-weenie on them in the end zone, you know. So, man, but I love the Packers, man.
They fans always was. How can you not like Green Bay? Their fans was always so respectable and kind.
Except for her. Except for that one right there.
Where? Yeah. She's a troublemaker.
Security's got her eye. We keep an eye on her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matthew, you played here as well.
She threw the bomb right at me. Yeah.
Yeah, this is. Green Bay has a special place in my heart.

It's actually my first time back since 2006.

So I was a rookie in Arizona, and we played Green Bay October, late October.

My oldest son, who's now 18, was born that same week.

So he was born, I think, on a Monday, Tuesday's an off day in the NFL.

So I missed the first couple days of practice to go fly back home to L.A. to be there for the birth of my firstborn.
And that week we were on the road in Green Bay playing against Brett Favre for the Packers, who was one of my idols growing up as a quarterback. So we lost 31-14, got our butts kicked.
We weren't very good that year. But to play there, my family went.
I threw a touchdown in that game. It was pretty cool.
It's just, this is my first time back in 19 years. And it will always hold a special hour because my son was born that week, which is cool, and I got to play against my idol.
So it's great to be back. You just reminded me because my dad actually played with Brett Favre here.
So I remember being a little dude with a cheese head, watching my dad come in here in Lambeau and play with Brett Favre.

And he used to tell me he used to catch passes,

and his fingers would be all jacked up for Brett Favre.

Green Bay came to Arizona a lot in the playoffs.

I'm sure the Packers fans remember the Rodgers, the playoff games.

I think the year we went to the Super Bowl, Green Bay came to us.

We beat them on a crazy game.

They came to us a couple times in the playoffs, but only one time here in my career, but it's great to be back.

So real quick, the three of us, this is our first time here in Green Bay, first time looking at

Lambeau, and you know, there's just a handful, really, Jerry, of iconic sporting venues in this

country. Madison Square Garden, certainly one of them.
For football, it's maybe Soldier Field, but it's definitely this place. Yeah, when we pulled up here, we were even riding over together, and the minute we just saw the stadium, the sign, you just have to take a picture of it.
Sadly for me, one of my fondest memories, I don't want to get booed here, but it's when Coach Coughlin's cheeks froze. Giants, Packers, to get to the street.
Yeah, sorry, I know, you can boo. It's fine.
But it's really cool to be here. And what a great place to have the draft.
Agreed. I mean, how excited are the fans for the draft to be here in Green Bay, right? It's freaking awesome.
It's so awesome. Great show out in Detroit last year, Pittsburgh next year.
Jerry, did you see the Lambeau flying in, though, on the airplane? I did not. no.
When you see it flying in, that's when you're like, oh, yeah, that's sexy. Coach, you've been in some iconic venues for sure.
Yeah, I was sitting next to Jerry. We walk in, I see Lambeau Field, but I'm old school.
I remember Vince Lombardi, Bart Starr, and that was my era. What were you doing when Vince Lombardi was coaching? Huh? Who? What? I remember the Magic Man.
So I'm a big fan. Thanks for having us, and this is an iconic place.
You know what's really cool? This is the only place that a small market can still dominate the big market, and that's a great appreciation for so many people to watch. This community is certainly amazing and unique.
All right, so here it is. It's draft day, right? 2025 draft.
Mark, your memories from when you were drafted in the first round by the Saints. Man, I remember being in the green room for a lot longer than I had wanted to be.
You know what I mean? Me too. It's all relative, right? Like, you know, there's people who got drafted sixth, seventh round.
But, like, when you're there in New York in the green room and, like, the whole room is clearing out, you're still the only one basically almost still in the room.

It's kind of, like, discouraging.

You know what I mean?

Humbling. So, no, but I remember being there with all my loved ones, obviously, with my mom, my sisters, my grandma.

I had, like, Coach Saban was there.

Even Julio got picked, like, number six.

And, like, he came back and sat with me.

So I just remember being around people who loved me and supported me

and obviously having the opportunity to go and achieve my dream of playing in the NFL.

So great day, great memories, but like I said earlier, that's really the start.

You know what I mean?

Just because you get drafted doesn't mean you've made it.

You still have to go prove yourself why they picked you

in order to be able to go have a successful career in the NFL. Amazing blessings.
Great memories. I remember my suit.
You know what I mean? I think my suit was a little bigger than yours. You should pull up a picture of that suit.
I look like a bishop. Like Deacon Jones.
All the suits are a little bit more fitted. Now mine was baggy back then.
But, yeah, I was clean, though. I was iced out.
I had the iced-out watch. You know, I was fresh.
You're still iced out. I was going to say, nothing's changed in 12 years.
Just the quality is a little better. You know what I mean? Coach, your memories with Jacksonville and what draft day was for you as a head coach.
Not great memories getting our ass kicked in. Oh, snap.
I've been on both sides. Let it all out, coach.
Both sides of the draft watching our college guys' lives get changed. I remember the one year, I think we had five or six guys going the first round.
But when we it was a game changer, it was a generational talent. I still believe he'll be a Hall of Famer someday.
I know it's not a story, but Trevor Lawrence was a no-brainer. You look at every quality that you look for in a quarterback, and it was the same year Zach Wilson was coming out.
I think Trey Lance was coming out. We did our due diligence.
We did our work, but that was a no-brainer. We also had a pick late in the first, and that was a lot of time spent, and that's where Jimmy Johnson put together.
They still use it to this day, this day the draft value and matt and mark what you see is the top of the draft is over the value is unbelievable what you can get from that and i'm curious what's going to happen this year because there's a lot of conversation about is the top of the draft that high for us no brainer trevor lawrence take them but then when you start getting in the back half of the first round, the valuation drops dramatically, and you can get sometimes three players in that middle to late first round for that first pick. So we picked Trevor Etienne, and he was tremendous.
And he got hurt for our first year, but we spent more time on the back half of the first round than the first pick. Do you remember Coach was watching video of Trevor Lawrence, your first stint on Big Noon Kickoff, and we were doing some demos of Lawrence and what he was doing on the collegiate level, and I could hear it in Coach's voice like, oh, man, this guy can run.
Like you were loving his legs. Yeah, he's 6'6".
He's a 4'4". He's a legit 4'4".
He's under 4'5", great release, and I know it hasn't gone great, but he's still good. I still think once they get the surrounding cast and everything, he'll be an all-pro for a long time.
The situation you're in has so much to do with the success you have, you know, so. Jerry, as a New York guy, what does the draft mean to you? How does it resonate? Well, you know, I kind of speak on behalf of the fans where I think it's awesome to hear these stories, right? Because you're seeing young people get this amazing start in their career.
But then as a fan, it's always the chance of hope, right? Regardless of where your team is, you know, if you weren't in the Super Bowl or if you weren't even a playoff team, it's a sign of hope that one of these young players is going to come in and change the face of everything for a franchise that we love. So that's how I always looked at the draft.
The draft means hope. Hope for the young guys coming in to have amazing careers and hope for the fans that that player will come in like maybe a great pass rusher at number three to change the future of the team.
So what do you guys think of the draft hitting the road? It used to always be in New York City. One of the greatest things, Roger Goodell.
I didn't realize this. I think New York kind of pushed him out, as someone was saying the other day at dinner.
That's one of the greatest things to spread the wealth. I was at Ohio State the year after he won the title, and I went to Chicago, and that's the first time I saw hundreds of thousands of people for the draft.
So I think it's been a great boom for, it's become a show. That's why we're here.
Right? We're here on the road. Mark, what's something that you're really looking forward to tonight with the round one coming down? I mean, you know, I'm a running back, man.
So just, you know, I think Ashton Gentry, man, just the season he had, it was

unbelievable. You talk about

the season he had, the yards

after contact he had, Stone, he had

1,900 yards after

contact. Like, that's a huge season

for anybody. That's more yards than I ran

for in my Heisman year. Like, you know what I mean?

So, like, when you put that in perspective,

and over 164 tackles he broke.

So, like, just, I think he's gonna

translate great to the NFL. I think he

can, as every down back, he'll run inside

Thank you. So, like, when you put that in respect, and over 164 tackles he broke.
So, like, just I think he's going to translate great to the NFL. I think he can, as every down back, run inside, run outside, catch the football, pick up pass protection.
I saw him do it all when we watched these games on film. So I love that the running back is having a resurgence.
We saw what Saquon was able to do for, you know, the Eagles. Obviously, Green Bay has a great runner and Josh Jacobs.
So the running back is still, you know, position one. You know what I mean? Position eight.
You feel me? Why do you think teams got away from the running back? Why did the priority get lessened at some point? I don't get that. I think it was the Todd Gurley deal.
Todd Gurley, who was great, got paid all that money that year, got hurt, and then it was just like teams were like, why are we going to pay these guys $40 million, $50 million? And then you started to see second, third round, fourth round draft picks have the same type of success. So I'm so pumped up because the running backs are making a comeback.
They're an integral part of an offense, and you see what Detroit's doing, Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery. You see Ashton Gentry.
Now, this is the deepest running back class probably Mark in a long time. But I think we're seeing a premium back on what Saquon did.
B. John Robinson was drafted in the top five, I think, a couple years ago.
He's a star. So I'm fired up, too, to see.
I think someone might make a play for Gentry in the top five. I'm not sure who that's going to be, but someone's going to maybe come up and get him.
Yes, sir. I think as far as the draft for me today, the obvious is just Shador Sanders in this quarter.
For what is kind of a quiet draft as far as, like, there's not – I mean, I think we all assume Cam Ward's going number one. But outside of that, it's like there's not a ton of quarterbacks being talked about.
That's what's dominated the draft even last year, six first-round quarterbacks, which was a record. So I think there's going to be a splash trade somewhere to trade up and get somebody.
I think that's going to happen. I think we might see some movement from the second round coming back into the first.
And after the first two picks, the Giants could be chalk. They could take maybe Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, but if they don't, and what happens with that pick could dictate the rest of the draft in the first round.
What I'm looking forward to, and this is, I really want the crowd to think about this, is that teams that pick early in the draft, obviously, are not very good. So one of times can't flip a organization right away on this jimmy johnson chart and and if for the fans that don't know jimmy johnson obviously great coach super bowl winner at the cowboys put together this chart years ago they nfl still uses it as we speak so 3 000 point value system for the first player.
As you get to the bottom of the first round, it's 600. That means the GMs that use this and the head coaches and talk about trades, you could potentially get four first round draft picks by flipping the first pick or the second pick.
It's tempting. Why not? If it's Trevor Lawrence, don't do it.
He's a generational. Is Cam Ward a generational? Is Carter a generational? Is Travis Hunter? All these guys.
If not, I'm trading it. I'm going to go get five first-rounders to build my organization.
Because the one guy, if he's not a generational, it's not going to flip your team. It's going to hurt your team.
Does that make sense? It's going to hurt your team. And that's the value system that I think people overlook.
And this is, this sits on the desk of the GM on draft day. How cool is that? And you sit there and stare at it as you're going through the draft.
Inside info from Coach Meyer this morning. I think we're going to see some moving and some shaking again.
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Hey, man, we were all in it earlier today, right there in the front yard. It's impressive, man.
It's swallowed. It's swallowed us all.
I feel like we need to get a couple of those. You're going to fit a fullback in there.
Oh, speaking of, welcome back to the Triple Option and the throwback crossover presented by Nissan here right outside Lambeau Field. Who's ready to start not booing but cooing? All right, we ready for this? Cooing.
Are we ready for this? Here we go. You're not cooing.
We're bringing in former Green Bay Pro Bowl. That's awesome.
Former Green Bay Super Bowl champion, the pride of Shippensburg University. Let's go, Raiders.
He is John Kuhn. Welcome, baby.
Former teammate of Mark Ingram as well. What is up? This is awesome.
Man, the NFL draft, being in Green Bay, it's something that when I came here in 2007, I never imagined we'd see this day. This was before Titletown.
There was still a Kmart and a little shopping center down there. And they built this immaculate Titletown, all with this vision in mind to have an NFL draft in this city, in this community, in this state.
I can tell you what. I've been all around last night and this morning, and Wisconsin is showing up big at this draft.
Showing up big. Quick estimate.
How many pounds of cheese curds have you digested through your career? I don't know. I don't know, Rob.
They're so good. They are so tasty.
They're so tasty. They're so tasty.
They're so tasty. They're on it, Rob.
Yeah. We don't count calories up here in Wisconsin.
Not at the fullback position, right? We weigh in, and if we make weight, then we good. That's all we worry about.
I'm going to let these guys jump in a second, but I'm always fascinated by the culture in Green Bay. So as a player, you get drafted, and you're dropped into a neighborhood, into a community.
Like, where do these guys live? How do they acclimate? What do they do? Are they here year-round? How does it work as a player for the Packers? You know, it's like any other NFL city, except it's got its own little flavor here. Guys, you know, in every other NFL city, guys don't just live right by the stadium, right? So there's little communities outside, you know, Howard, DePierre that guys can go into.
Young guys normally start off with apartment buildings before they upgrade into houses and start

having families, but it's no different.

A lot of these guys, man, there's no

better place to start your NFL career

than in Green Bay, Wisconsin. You've got

a team and a city

giving you every advantage

to be successful. This facility

is top end in the

NFL, and then the number of distractions

are limited, although you can find

them in Green Bay. You can still go out there

and do some stuff, but distractions

to do. is top end in the NFL, and then the number of distractions are limited, although you can find them in Green Bay.
You can still go out there and do some stuff.

But distractions are limited, and it's wholesome.

These guys, listen, these fans are the best fans

in professional sports.

I believe it.

Even though I've played on a couple other teams,

and I love those fan bases,

this group has a 100,000-person wait list

for season tickets.

Find that somewhere else.

Hey, John, in this world of big markets, and this is Enigma, Green Bay,

how in the world does this – they change coaches, they change quarterbacks,

they change – and they win.

They win.

They win.

Why?

What is the secret sauce here in Green Bay?

Well, honestly, I do – I just think it's one of those – well, the quarterback part helps. When you go three in a row the way that the Green Bay Packers did, it helps a lot.
So we all know, and we'll talk about some draft picks, and quarterback's the most important position. When you go from a Brett Favre to an Aaron Rodgers to a Jordan Love, that helps a lot.
But really what it is is when you walk in here the very first day as a player, and it doesn't matter if you're drafted here, if you're traded here, if you come here as a free agent, you see the history

that this place has. You see the demands that's put on you as a player and what is required

of you and expected of you when you play here, and not just by this organization, but by

these people, by the city, by the people, and by the owners.

You, you, oh, all right, he's working.

We're back.

Can you hear me?

Can you hear me?

Lambo leaps, memories.

Obviously, you had a great career here,

played with some of the greats.

What is your fondest memory as a Green Bay Packer?

Your failed Lambo leap.

And also, yes, apparently he had a failed Lambo leap

that we want you to talk, we want you to talk about the failed Lambo leap, but also just your fondest memory of being a Green Bay Packer. You know, winning the Super Bowl is the best.
It's the absolute best. Doing it against the team that cut me three years in a row in the Pittsburgh Steelers, that was even better.
Yeah. That's more of a personal, you know, feel i would say winning the george halish trophy in chicago after the nfc championship game taking their previous owner's trophy home with us and bringing it back to lambeau field to go to the super bowl that was probably the sweetest because we had um such a great team that year and chicago was just in the thorn in our side with Erlacher and that great offense that they had down there.
So beating them at their place to win the Odyssey Championship, probably, but we've had great success in Chicago. We really have.
We won a game down there in 2013, fourth and eight from the 48-yard line with about 40 seconds left.

And we pulled an improbable Hail Mary to Randall Cobb to score a touchdown.

So we've had a lot of success down there.

But I would say the NFC Championship is my favorite.

So I love this because you're a fullback, man.

In old school football, I formation, you have a fullback.

I played with Owen Schmidt.

I played with some of the just crazy fullbacks. And obviously you fit that mold and I have so much respect for you guys is what the fullback position now obviously offenses and everything has changed what are your thoughts on that and what is just like kind of take the fans through just what it was like like you are literally lead blocking for guys you don't get a lot of glory or grace, but you are as important as an offensive lineman.

Talk a little bit about just the fullback position and where you think it's going to go.

Maybe it's coming back.

I don't know.

Well, so when I first got in the NFL, it was all lead and power.

A little bit of counter-bim, but in all honesty, it evolved.

And it started going outside zone.

Guys that could catch the passes in the flat, do the little belly thing, and still lead block.

You had to be able to play special teams at all times as well.

And by the time I was done playing, the linebacker sizes themselves have shrunk because they went from taking on isos and taking on powers to having now cover people into space. So you had to change during my time.
You had to change from really being that battering ram to having some finesse while still being physical. I don't think that's changed very much since then other than the NFL has decided we're going to potentially eliminate a spot and we're going to call it the BB.
And I see that in a lot of playbooks now. It's the BB.
It's no longer a fullback. It's no longer a tight end.
It's called the blocking back. And, you know, Matt, just as good as anybody, you can line a fullback up, and there's an F in every position.
Even if it's five wide, there's an F on that field. So the players are there.
They just might not be called the fullback. You come in on the work week on Monday.
Who's the top three or four defensive players in your career just when you're getting ready to watch that film saying, damn, I got blocked that dude. I would say Lance Briggs is number one.
He was a dog. Lance Briggs was so nasty.
And him and Earl Acker together, I think, will go down to me as the greatest one-two combo. Now, Navarro Bowman and Pat Willis will have something to say about that because they were outstanding as well.
But, man, those two down in Chicago were both great. The two I named in San Francisco were fantastic.
Bobby Wagner, I got to play a lot against Bobby early in his career, and he's still doing a damn thing. Still doing a damn thing.
So I would say some combination of those four or five guys that I just named are the ones that I come in and I go, I'm going to earn my money this week. All right, I got to do it.
I feel like you're the perfect person to ask. And I think in this scenario, we usually don't let the person use themselves, but I think you could use yourself here.
Mount Rushmore fullbacks. Okay, okay.
By the way, yours should be on there, so feel free to put yourself on there. We usually don't allow that.
Should he be on the list, guys? So there you go. Three spots to fill.
These guys are awesome. Well, I'll be honest.
I know... Now, here's a quick question.
Jim Brown and Jim Taylor were both listed as fullbacks. Do you guys consider them fullbacks? No.
No. Anybody out there? No.
Okay, so we'll keep them out then, but I mean, historically, and I know a lot of history... It's your list.
You do it how you want. It's your list.
I'll go Allstott. Yes.
A-train. There was a time in the 90s when kids actually said, I want to play fullback because of Mike Allstott.
So Mike Allstott. He had the big old neck.
From Purdue. He learned in Purdue.
The bigger he looked, the big 10 guys were like, ah, no, for sure. So Mike Gallstott, number one there.

Lorenzo Neal, because he's just an outstanding guy.

20 years at the fullback position.

Are you kidding?

It might have been 19, but he's up there.

Lorenzo Neal.

I would have to do, and some people may not remember this guy, Sam Gash.

He was an absolute maniac.

He was a maniac fullback when he was playing. And then, man, who else am I going to throw up there as a fourth one? You.
Kuhn. You know what? Okay, he named a good one.
Tom Rathaway. But here's one better for you.
Larry Centers, because he was the first fullback to catch 100 passes in a season. When you talk about the position, getting versatile and having to do different things, Larry Centers was the guy who made that happen.
I'm not trying to make light of a situation, but I'm curious. Is there a play in your career that you don't remember but you hear about a lot as a fullback? No.
Luckily, no, I did not have diagnosed concussions. I did have one ding down in Atlanta.
We beat the brakes off of them in the 2010 playoffs. And my second touchdown in the game, I got hit on the side.
And things were kind of, do you remember the knockout game that you used to have on PlayStation? Oh, yeah. When you got knocked down, you had to make the two screens, like superimposed.
I had a little bit of that going on. Some smelling salts.
While I was on one knee. And then I got up and I came to the sideline.
And back then, the game was so cool, I just said to Doc McKenzie, you know, he said, okay, we're going to check you out. And I said, just a stinger.
Just a stinger, Doc. And he goes, John, I know it's just a stinger, but we're up 28.
You're probably going to sit the rest of this one out. It's a good decision.
Good decision on his part. Let's talk about the draft overall.
Matty, I'm going to start with you. Is Cam Ward locked and loaded at number one going to the Titans? Yeah, I mean, I think so.
It's such an interesting quarterback draft class compared to last year, right? And six guys in the first round and all six of those, because we saw Pennix kind of late in the season take over, all really good. all showed tons of promise gonna have great careers probably um this year it's a little bit different I think Cam Ward is for sure has the highest ceiling of all these quarterbacks he started at three different universities in college uh he's a tremendous athlete um has all the physical traits I think there's a big gap between one and two and two we might not know who that who that is.
It could be Shador, it could be Jackson Dart. But I think the Titans, and Coach knows this, he just talked about it.
You know, he picked Trevor Lawrence number one. I think when you believe in a guy, you're throwing all the money at it.
There's a belief. And hopefully this is the guy that can change the organization in Tennessee.
You know, they've missed on a couple quarterbacks recently. They need probably a lot more help, too, than getting that.
But if they believe Cam Ward is the guy that can change the franchise, that's who they're going to pick today. I'd be shocked if they don't.
Unless they trade down and get some quantity. Cam Ward, to me, is a big-time prospect that could be that guy.
See, do we not think anything crazy is going to happen? Do we think it's going to go chalk gonna be not at one all heard about but I you just gotta look at it like there's quite a few teams that need help and players and a quarterback as well so I think you might see other teams trying to get into the first round I want to ask is cam Ward a generational talent I know it's a simple question very complicated because if he's not you got to trade that pick away, man. You've got to go get your team right.
Is he a – it's a yes or no. Is he a generational – I think all that matters – You have to be.
All that matters, Coach, is what those guys think in that room and making the pick. If they think he's a generational player, then that's who they're going to take.
I mean, we've watched film. I mean, he's dynamic.
He can run. He, but gosh, I mean, how many first round? I mean, gosh, I was one of them 15 years ago.
But how many guys just don't ever make it to what you have held as a number one draft pick? So to your question, the jury is out. But all that matters is what they believe in that room.
And that's what we're hearing. Mark, you interviewed Cam last season as part of Big Noon Kickoff.
What were your takeaways from him as a human being and as a talent? I mean, I was extremely impressed with him. Just what he had been able to go through.
He had no stars coming out of high school. He took a, he went to Incarnate Word, then he goes to Wazoo, then he goes to Miami.
So you see this progression of a guy who refuses to be denied, right? And when you have a guy that has that kind of mindset and that kind of ability to overcome adversity, that's someone who you want leading your team. Then you turn on the film.
Miami probably wins four games if Kevin Ward is not their quarterback. So I think he's a dynamic player.
I think he has a good arm. I think he has a good mindset.
Now, leadership and all that, being able to lead grown men in the locker room, that's to be seen. But I came away extremely impressed with him.
He's very rooted in his family. We saw him last night at dinner.
Had his whole family with him. So, I came away extremely impressed when I was able to have that interview with him.
I want to ask John. John, were you part of a rebuild? And if you are, if you are.
Yes, one time. 2016.
Well, I guess you could say 2008 with Aaron Rodgers' first year as a starting quarterback was somewhat of a rebuild and if you are if yes one time 2016 well i guess you could say 2008 with aaron rogers first year as a starting quarterback was somewhat of a rebuild even though we had just gone to the nfc championship the year before with brett farb so yes to some to some extent i was part of so would you would you if you're sitting in that war room would you be on a because i was i'd rather take well once again a generational talent i'd rather get me four or five that I know are going to be starters and projected guys that you can plug in and play. Because one guy, unless he's that good, is not going to flip it.
It's not going to flip you to the top of the AFC. Can it flip you to much better than what you were last year? Can it flip you to 9 and 8? Can it flip you to the seventh seed in the playoffs? What I found in the NFL to be true is that an average quarterback gives you a chance of winning, right? So you need a guy, he doesn't need to be per se generational to flip you from four wins to nine wins.
I think an average quarterback, and I think Cam Ward is better than an average quarterback.

How has Green Bay been able to do it over the last couple quarterbacks

in franchise history? Not getting

the top one, two, three, four,

five pick, doing it late in the first

round or somewhere else. They tell you

the same thing with houses. Don't buy a house when you need a house.

Because then you're going to be

pressured into spending some money on some

stuff that you don't necessarily need.

When you buy

a quarterback, when you draft Thank you. because then you're going to be pressured into spending some money on some stuff that you don't necessarily need.

When you buy a quarterback, when you draft a quarterback,

before anybody even suspects you,

people were looking in 2005 when Aaron Rodgers got drafted and saying,

okay, well, he's probably seeing Aaron drop in the draft

and probably never believed the Packers.

And then they were sitting there watching again, and people probably never imagined that the Packers were going to trade up in 2020 to get Jordan Love. But you know what? They did it both times because they did their due diligence.
They did believe that they were generational. They already had their plan for that season and maybe even other seasons going forward, and they said, this guy is the guy that we can build 15 years after the next two.
I mean, you played, well, Rodgers sat for, what, four years, right? So he, or three or four years behind Brett. He got to learn.
And that was sort of kind of how it was with quarterbacks in that era. It's like you sat, you learned.
I sat a little bit behind Kurt Warner. And then now we're seeing all these guys just get thrust into play right away, day one.
What do because you've been in a million huddles years and years of huddles and young quarterbacks older quarterbacks what is what do you think is like the one thing the hardest transition that you've seen because now these young guys are just getting forced into throw hands down hands down it's the mental side of this thing right it's the mental side of the game that's the hardest for the rookie quarterback. Patrick Mahomes sat for 15 games.
15 games behind Alex Smith. Josh Allen thrown right in there.
And remember what we were saying about Josh Allen. 55% completion percentage, missing all the deep balls.
All of a sudden, you put him with Stephon Diggs. There's your deep ball connection.
His timing started to get worked out. The rhythm started to get worked out.
So I don't think it's a one-size-fits-all for when to play the quarterback position. But I tell you what, you better be you better have a guy who's smart if you're putting him in there at the beginning because if he can't take it mentally, the emotional side of this will get to these guys too.
We're going to talk plenty more quarterbacks coming up in the next 40 minutes or so. Who is he again, guys? Kuhn.
John Kuhn. Thanks for joining us.
Appreciate it so much. I have a feeling we're going to be hearing a lot more from you in the coming months.
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Alright, so we're going to talk about a potential draft pick or a theme that we think is going to be a cool pick later today. Matt, as our resident quarterback, we'll start with you and let's attack the QB situation.
Yeah, I just talked about it a couple minutes ago. I think it's a very intriguing class because it's not a deep quarterback class.
I think you have Cam Ward and then there's a cluster of quarterbacks there that could go as early as top 10 or into the second round. So something to keep an eye on is Jackson Dart.
Jackson Dart, out of Ole Miss, started three years at Ole Miss, was fantastic there in the SEC. I was actually looking at him, average about 500 yards rushing every year.
Like, he's a kid who can run the football, derby, all this. I actually believe he's going to be the second quarterback taken today in the draft.
I think something either we know the Giants Browns need a quarterback Steelers need a quarterback. You could even see the Rams at 26 get the next quarterback because Stafford might be done here in a year or two.
We've got a Rams fan right here. I think Jackson Dart is going to go in the first round today whether it's a trade to get up into the late first round or somewhere there, maybe 21 at the Steelers.

Someone in the coaching profession told me

they compared him to Joe Burrow-ish a little bit.

The same mentality, toughness.

He's confident. He's tough.

He's got a little swag to him.

He can move.

Joe Burrow is a good comp.

He has that same type of body, same type of size.

So keep an eye on Jackson. Joe Burrow, let's just calm down a little bit.
You can't just throw shit on me. We're just saying he reminds us of it.
He went number one overall in 2020. You go over the last five NFL drafts, 19 quarterbacks have been taken in the first round.
Of course, six were taken last year. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, Michael Panix, J.J.
McCarthy, Bo Nix, all in the top 12.

So there was a quarterback run.

Matty, you and I were talking about quarterbacks yesterday as we were driving here. And the over under on quarterbacks taken in the first round, it was they always love the hook.

That hook, three and a half.

I was ready.

I was ready to bet the over. I was ready to bet the over.
Two and a half? You went over, then under. You're back to under? You're all low-up.
You think only two gets in the first round? No way. I think five quarterbacks could go in the first round.
We're not doing bold predictions right now. I'm just saying.
It could happen. There's no way only two go in the first round.
Quarterback is going to be a fascinating situation, the Shador Sanders and everything. But something you talked about, Mark, this is a draft that is deep at the running back spot.
Deep at the running back position. I think you're going to get a very high quality running back in rounds.
In the round two, round three, round four. And, like, one guy who I think is not getting enough respect right now is my boy, Cam Scatterboo.
Guess who? Cam Scatterboo. If you know football, you watch football, this dude is a guy who does the dirty work.
We had John Kuna. You talk about someone.
He said that you're going to have to be able to play special teams. This is a guy who can play special teams.
He can run the ball. He can catch the ball.
He had over 2,300 all-purpose yards, over 600 yards receiving. He ran all over Texas in the playoff.
He threw a touchdown pass. So you talk about a versatile player, a versatile back who does the dirty work and who kind of sets the tone.
You need a tone setter at the running back position. That's him.
That's a dude that a franchise and a fan base will throw their arms around, right? Like, they're chanting, coon, coon.

Scadaboo.

Scadaboo.

Let's go.

Which Frosty did you pick, by the way?

Brownie batter.

You went with the brownie batter?

Brownie batter, my dog.

Man, that looks pretty good.

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Who wants a New York Giants perspective?

It doesn't matter, because you're going to get it anyways.

I saw one Giants jersey out there.

I saw a neighbor's jersey out there.

How do you think the Giants are going to handle this one?

So, kind of off Matt's point, to me, with the Giants, like, I think it

Thank you. I saw one Giants jersey out there.
I saw a neighbor's jersey out there. How do you think the Giants are going to handle this one? So kind of off Matt's point, to me with the Giants, I think it has to be obviously Carter or whatever play.
I think you have to leave with Carter and a QB in the first round. I think that has to be.
I think you have to trade into that first round. And kind of off what Coach was saying, it needs to be generational, and I agree with that.
But I think you do today's day you need a lot of swings because i think it's the hardest thing to figure out and we've seen some players emerge from late first round mid first round russell wilson who's now on the giants what was he fourth round pick you know brady tom brady of course you know brock 30 so like i think if you're the giants you need as many bites of the as possible. They might have nine quarterbacks in that quarterback room at one point.
Last 15 drafts, Jerry, the last 15 NFL drafts, the New York Giants have only taken four quarterbacks. Can you name them? Think about that.
I can. No, no, no, no.
That's a little trivia. Wait, in the last how many years? The last 15 drafts.
15 drafts. We'll start in 2013.
A young man out of Syracuse. 2013? A young man out of Syracuse.
You call yourself a giant man. I and I see round four.
One ten overall. Massive? Massive.
Five games. Forgive me.
Nine completions. All right.
2017 from Cal. Davis Webb.
Davis Webb. Round three, 87.

Played one game for the Giants, two total in the NFL.

You're seeing a track record.

It's not going great.

We go to 2018.

I don't even know how to pronounce this guy's last name.

Kyle Lavletta.

Lavletta?

Lavletta from Richmond.

Round four, 108.

How do you make those mistakes?

Two games played, zero completions in one year in the week. This makes me feel great, guys.
This makes me feel great. Then, 2019, I hope you can name this guy, round one, number six, Daniel Jones.
Probably could have got him at 18. Why don't you give the fans a little perspective on your thoughts on Daniel Jones? Listen, I stayed on the island for a long time.
Something we talk a lot about on throwbacks during the season. I tried really hard, but now you know how that story ends.
He's going to absolutely light it up at some point with the match. It's just going to happen.
Where he is currently. Yeah, he's going to light it up.
How do you feel about your quarterback room right now with DeVito, Jameis Winston, and Russell Wilson? Jay, room! I got the pleasure to hang out with Tommy DeVito at Super Bowl. I think he's a good guy to have around.
Look, I really was excited for the Jameis Winston experiment that was going on. I know Malik Nabors was probably very excited because he might have had 1,900 yards at receiver with Jameis throwing it.
Kind of to quote Coach here, what are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? Coach, somebody that's not named Travis Hunter. I like Mason.
How about the Buckeye ME? I got Mason Graham. I'm going to say this, Mark.
I think on day one, on day one, first game of the season next year, I think Mason Graham will be the most impactful draft pick in this draft playing. Him and possibly your guy, the tight end.
Tyler Warren. Tyler Warren tackle.
My coaching history, every Sunday I would come in, get ready to play the next team. I'm not watching the quarterback.
I'm watching the opposing D-line. If we can handle them, life's good.
If we can't handle them, this is a bad week. That's bad.
So I think Mason Graham, what he did the Buckeyes last year in that game, we were there. He two-gapped.
He played with great leverage, great hands. He's a monster.
I think he's NFL-ready. I think he makes the most impact on the first game of the season in 2025.
He's a safe pick, and he's going anywhere from 5 to, like, 15, which is crazy. Whatever team drafts him is getting a hell of a player.
And he looks like a dude who's going to stay there for a decade plus and be a constant figure.

By the way,

what's your Wendy's

Frosty flavor?

Oh, was it brownie?

What do you call it?

It's right here.

Brownie batter.

Brownie batter.

Take a bite.

Take a bite.

Well, I'll see y'all

eating your own Frosties.

I don't have a spoon.

That's all right.

I got some spoons.

Hold on.

I get to make a pick, too,

because Coach...

Drink out of it like he did.

He's drinking it

like a milkshake.

Rob, let's talk a little deeper.

What do you got for us, Rob? Well, Coach didn't go with the Bucke buckeye so i'm gonna go with the buckeye um josh simmons right six five three 17 he was high round one material before he got injured probably would have been the first offensive lineman taken had that patella injury in mid-october but he's got the measurables. Two years at San Diego State, two years at the Ohio State.

Remember, has some experience at right tackle from his days as an Aztec,

moved over to the left tackle side, so he shows that he can be versatile, right?

And this is a guy that, again, if he was healthy,

you're going to look at the medical reports.

If he was healthy, that's a top-seven type dude,

and he's slipping late in round one.

I wonder if somebody says, you know what, let's remember the guy who was a top-ten pick and he's slipping late in round one. I wonder if somebody says, you know what, let's

remember the guy who was a top

ten pick and take him early.

And I've been there. You're going to do

the evaluation like you can't imagine

on that knee. I mean, they are

diving into that knee to make sure everything's...

Oh, for sure. Someone could get a steal with him, Rob.

Yeah, all right. So I got my frosty, but hold on.

Has anybody got some cheese curds out there?

We got some cheese curds?

Throw us a cheese curd, please. Come here.
Who's got cheese curds? Bring them on to the stage. Come on.
How do we... It's Wisconsin.
It should be raining cheese curds. They got...
We got some cheese curds? Where are they? I'm going to start telling people to throw them. My gimmick is not working.
Yeah, we don't need... We got about five more seconds, and I'm done.
All right, I'll eat the cheese curd frosty a little bit later, but I'm going with the caramel. Sell it for me, Mark.
Mark Ingram, sell this caramel frosty for me. Oh, look at the caramel dripping off the frosty.
The deliciousness. It's just immaculate.
Oh, man. With the brownie battle.
I am a sucker for a frosty. Now we just need french fries so I can dip.
You know what I mean? Dip. Well done.
Well done. All right, we're going to take a break here from Lambeau.
We're going to clean up the Frosties off our chins over here. We're going to talk to the guy who's maybe the most fascinating talent in this upcoming NFL draft, the Heisman Trophy winner from Colorado, Mr.
Travis Hunt. Where is he going to go? Maybe number two, maybe number three.
Who knows? We'll talk about that when we return to the Nissan Draft House here. Throwbacks and the Triple Option in the house here in Green Bay.
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Lambeau Field, like, Matty, you could throw. Man, I don't think you could make it now.
Back in the day, maybe a couple hops from here. That's like 100 yards, dude.
You think that's 100 yards? But you had a cannon. That's deep, Rob.
That's deep. That's how much faith I have in your arm, or I did have in your arm.
Zero chance. Apparently not.
I'm throwing that about 51 yards right now. Okay.
It's just still pretty good. Round one from the NFL draft today.
Tomorrow, round two and three, Saturday, rounds four and seven. So 257 picks, seven rounds over the course of the next couple days, and maybe the most interesting talent in this year's draft.
We understand what Cam Ward is, but what Travis Hunter brings to the conversation, two different positions, two sides of the ball, he's a fascinating talking point for this draft. And someone we know well.
We covered him a bunch on Big Noon. We met him.
Remember, he was on set with us in Penn State. I didn't realize how big he is.
He's a great kid. He's a grinder.
He works at it. He's a clean-living guy that takes care of his body.
So a couple weeks ago, I came out and said, if I have the number one pick, I'm taking Travis Hunter, and I'm playing him both ways. In my almost 40 years in the game, I've never seen a guy that can do what he does, his athleticism.

Could he be the best corner, I think, one of the top five corners in the NFL?

Yes.

Could he be one of the top five receivers in the NFL?

I think so.

Can he do it both?

I do.

But this was thrown at me just a couple days ago, Matt.

He has not played elite competition.

He has not. And when Colorado had, you know, they haven't.
And that's this whole Shador Sanders conversation too. So it was thrown back at me aggressively and said, there's no chance, this is not me saying it, this is a former NFL GM, said, do you believe he can go against Denzel Ward, line up for four or five plays in a series, punt the ball, and then go over and play defense against Marvin Harrison Jr.
or whoever. And that's a different—you guys know it.
Yeah. That next step from college to the NFL, it's a ridiculous step.
Well, you saw when he tried to do it against McMillan, the receiver from Arizona, he kind of had a tough day. McMillan put up some good numbers that day when they played Colorado.
So you are going to have to do that. His mind says he wants to do it, right? But in my personal opinion, I think he goes on the defense side of the ball.
I think he plays cornerback. And I think you have a package of 20 to 25 plays for him on offense.
So he can focus on defense but still be impactful on the offensive side of the ball as well. So that's the way I think you're able to handle that situation until he can prove to himself and to the coaching staff that you need more of a workload.
Also, you know how difficult it is. And, again, if there's someone that can do it, he continues to prove everybody wrong.
He's only done it. He's only done it.
So that's why I would bet that he could do it, and he could do it at a high level. But, Coach, you know this.
The NFL prep the week and, like, defensive coordinators and how much time goes into one game on Sunday. College is a lot, but, like, NFL is no joke, you know? And he's – can you just imagine, like, the D coordinator and the offensive coordinators, like, sharing? Just, like, the prep of a week of going into offensive meetings, defensive meetings, and making sure then you're dialed in on Sunday.
And if you – maybe you miss a coverage or that and you get burned by Tyree Kill. Like, it is a different game at the next level, play in and play out.
So I say why not? Give it a try. He's a unicorn.
He really is. I mean, Shohei Otani of football for sure.
Like, we've never seen – we talked about it with Charles Woodson. Charles Woodson had packages on offense.
He was never, you know, an every down guy. This guy has done that at a high level.
And can he do it against the elites? It's a question that remains to be seen. And the question on top of that, if you do, how long can you sustain it? Reality is the body is going to start to do this shortly.
And it's do this much quicker than it did in college. You're taking double snaps.
The season is that much longer. When I started thinking about, you know, I had some great teams, but week in, week out, with that cat's getting ready to face, I mean, there is no slouches that he's going to be going against.
But don't you think, too, like to Mark's point, even if he's not a full-time receiver and it's a package, whether it's 10 plays, 15 plays, he's one of the guys to me, if I was rooting against him, if I see him on offense, he's getting the ball. He's so much gravity is going to be drawn to him if he is on offense, whether he gets the ball or not.
And yeah, maybe that's not something you could do time in, time out. But if he's on the field on offense, you've got to assume they're trying to get him the ball.
Might be be a lot of things you could do off the bat. And that's the impact that he has of being on the offensive side of the ball.
Because now you have other players. Open things up.
Can you imagine him doing an eight or nine play drive as a wide receiver? And then they punt, kick a field goal, score, comes back, and now he's like, oh, you have to go guard DK Metcalf for 10 plays. Hey cleveland needs all the help i mean anybody he's not gonna be in there for the nine plays on the drive though in my opinion right but that's but that's that's the thing is like how much is he gonna play on offense or how much you have to spot his quote how about his quote what is the quote again his quote is saying if they're not gonna let me play both ways, I'm not going to play for you, essentially is what it was.

Which is probably not true, but you've got to take him at his word

because that guy's going to play football.

I just hate player mandates like that.

I mean, you're going to do what you've got to do.

It didn't feel like a mandate to me.

It felt more like, hey, I really want to play both sides.

I hope you respect that.

The kid wants to do it.

He wants to do it, and all he's done is his whole life.

By the way, now you're going to the NFL.

He's going to go to Cleveland at two, we think.

So who's he playing up?

He's going to guard Jamar Chase.

T. Higgins.

Yeah.

And we're all going to watch it.

DK in Pittsburgh now and Baltimore.

That's why you guys draft him.

DK and your other boy.

Pickens.

Pickens.

Pickens going deep.

Baltimore with Zay Flowers.

I'm all for it.

That's popcorn.

By the way, I say double down and then add to it. You talk about, like, he's going to play defense and they're going to punt.
Let him return punts too, man. Put that ball in his hand.
He is magical. But like, if I'm the offensive coordinator, he's going to the defensive coordinator room, I'm pissed off.
Like, no, he should be coming over here with us. Like, you know what I mean? There's going to be a lot of management.
Could that be a problem in the locker room? There's going to be a problem. Yeah.
Like, no, we want him. I think they'll manage it.
I think they understand. The players won't care.
The players aren't going to care. It's just going to be like coaches.
It's going to make the team better. Yeah.
If the team is better with him playing both sides of the ball, you do it. The problem's going to be in the coaching staff meeting.
Right. Like, no, he's coming with us today.
No, we need him to do this today. No, he's coming with us today.
And the last battle, and I'll end it with this, his agent. His agent is going to say, let's make sure you are listed as a wide receiver.
Because the pay scale difference between wide receiver and cornerback is two different worlds. You want to be paid wide receiver money, not cornerback money.
I want to be paid punter money. I don't care.
I'll take any of that. I want to be paid wide receiver and cornerback money.
Now you put the two together. Yeah.
Now we're talking something else. Why receiver CB? WRCB.
Create a new position. WRCB.
All right. We're going to make some adventurous picks right now here in front of our live crowd right in front of Lambeau Field here in Green Bay.
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Like, it is their house.

It's not Mr. and Mrs.
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The Fox station in Green Bay owns it.

Is the owner of the house here?

They rented out.

Who owns the house here in the crowd?

Anybody?

The owner here?

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There's a business model down this block for sure.

And they've got it worked out.

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All right, so here we go.

An adventurous pick driven by Nissan. Who wants the first tab on the adventurous pick? Everybody's kind of looking away.
I'll go. Jerry, you want to go? I want to go.
I want to go. Big prediction.
Give us a bold prediction. So I think, you know, we've all talked so much about this draft.
And since the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl ended that Monday. We were talking about the draft, which is great.
But it's been a long time. And we've heard kind of about the same players and the same teams and their needs.
There's a bunch of teams that have been pretty quiet throughout this whole process. And maybe they're not going to do anything.
But if you are looking at those first five or six picks we've even talked about, if you are a team that believes you are maybe a Warren away from really being a player, I think it's not going to be fully chalked from one to six. And it might not be as simple as, oh, the Giants move back.
You might see a really good team, a close team, try to get in and swoop up one of these players that could take them to that next level. I want to piggyback on that real quick.
Because I want to take a poll. I love that thought.
So is this a fair list of Tier 1 NFL teams that are this close to a Super Bowl?

Detroit?

Yes.

Buffalo?

Yes.

Philadelphia?

They just won the Super Bowl.

Kansas City?

They have Patrick Mahomes.

Baltimore?

Yes.

Feels like a Tier 1.

Tier 2?

They're really close, but might need a couple guys.

Houston?

Houston is, yeah. Rams? Rams were close last year.
49ers. Washington.
The Niners missed their window. The Niners missed their window to me.
So that might make things interesting with the draft. Two more.
Two more. Tampa Bay.
Close. Yeah.
Close because of where they are. And these guys behind us.
Yeah. Green Bay.
These guys with Jordan Love right behind us. So those programs, I think, are feeling, wow, we're really close.
And we've got that window. How that manifests itself at the draft.
Have an adventure. Be adventurous.
Get out there. Yeah.
Make some moves. Drive in your Nissan Armada, right? You want to hear my adventurous thing? Talk about draft or talk about trades.
I think this is going to happen tonight. It's got to be quarterback related.
I think the Chicago Bears. Yeah.
There we go. Boo him.
Say it louder. Boo this thing.
Throw the cheese curds at him. They're picking 10 tonight.
Yeah. Okay.
Throw the cheese curds at him. Hey, man, come on.
I think they trade up into the top five. I think they trade with New England at four to get Ashton Janty.
Pair him with DeAndre. Listen for a second.
Ben Johnson, now the new head coach. What did he have in Detroit? He had Sonic and Boom.
He had David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs.

Now you get Ashton Gentry, who we love, right?

And you get DeAndre Swift, who went healthy.

He's very good.

You pair that with Caleb Williams and all those star receivers they have.

New England is in rebuild mode.

Right now at four, they're probably going to pick an offensive tackle.

They could trade back, get some more.

Bears have a lot of capital in the second round as well so they can make this trade. New England kind

of trades back, picks 10. They still get a really

good player and they get more draft picks.

I think Ashton Gentry,

I'm telling you, someone's going to trade up to get him

potentially. Okay.
That's a good one.

That's my bold prediction. I like that bold prediction.

You want it, Mark? Come on.

Man.

No.

I think, man, what's possible? There's a premium on how the quarterback can run, right? And so when you have a generational talent of quarterback who runs the football in Jalen Milrow, I'm thinking, like, maybe somebody likes the upside of this young kid, and they trade back into the first round and get him in the first round. You know, there's talk about him going second, third round, mid-round, but when you have a quarterback who, he'll probably be the second best running quarterback in the league right now today, after Lamar Jackson.
When you have a guy who's that big, that athletic, running that fast, and his upside, you might have some, you know, some... That's bold.
It might be appealing to some people, you know, to go up there and get a Jalen Milrow in the first round. How many quarterbacks? How many quarterbacks do you think? There's going to be four, bro.
You think four? There's no way it's two, right? If there is four, then you might get him. You're going Dart.
You feel those are one and two. Cam, Shador, Dart.
Shador, you think that's round one. Cam, Shador, Dart.
Milrow. Millie, Milrock.
You're saying Shadour goes before Dart? Shuck and Milrow are the wild cards. I'm just saying the four quarterbacks going in the first round.
I don't know. Well, we know Cam, but after that we don't know.
And again, remember, and Coach, you were there. Teams fall in love with a player.
Right. And you've got to have a quarterback.
You're not going to succeed at any level in football without a quarterback. And teams are going to get panicky and say, maybe I do like this guy more.
Or maybe I've always really liked him and I'm going to play it quiet. Jerry, play it cool and then get in there.
I like that was the number two QB. But the history of Super Bowl with Patrick Mahomes, and it's not so much maybe the first round.
It's that quarterback that's maybe the late first and early second. I think that something's going to happen.
I keep staring at this with the crushing marks of quarterback, which we all agree. You know, you put these quarterbacks in a QB-heavy draft.
Where are they in the last couple years? I'm saying a team that I'm looking at these five teams. You have Titans, Browns, Giants, Patriots, Jaguars.
If they are in the mentality they need to rebuild, I say they dump one of those draft picks and go get four or five, try to accumulate talent as opposed to stick all your money and resources into one that's a question mark.

These mugs are going to draft a quarterback.

That's what I... When's the last time there's been less than two

quarterbacks in the first round?

Do you have that?

Do we have that?

2022.

One quarterback was taken in the first round.

Anybody know who that is?

2022.

Two gloves. Kenny Pickett.
One quarterback was taken in the first round. Anybody know who that is? 2022.
2022.

Two years ago.

Two gloves.

Oh, Kenny Pickett.

Kenny Pickett.

Number 20 overall by Pittsburgh.

That's not long ago.

Nine total quarterbacks were taken in 2022.

Round seven with pick number 262. Brock Purdy.

Brock Purdy.

That leads to one of my bold predictions. A big name talent is going to get shipped today or tomorrow.
Let's go. Brock Purdy, you may be that big name.
Miles Garrett. Dang.
You may be that big name. George Pickens, you may be that big name.
Go on. Kirk Cousins.
Kirk Cousins is the other one. Kirk Cousins is going to be a part of a trade tonight.
Who are you? Rob Schefter? Who is this guy? Yeah, Robbie. Robbie Dimes.
I've done my work. Hold on.
I have one more bold prediction. Actually, two more bold predictions.
Make it three. Three more bold predictions.
I'll have to figure out the other. The two teams that are going to walk away from this draft on night one as the winners, the New York Giants.
Yes, I agree. And the Cleveland Browns.
Whoa. Which leads me to my final full prediction.
This one is not on your side to this one, Rob. Watch this one.
Ready? Ready? The Cleveland Browns will walk away with Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders and then immediately retire both of their jerseys.

Oh, my gosh.

I think they're going to get both of those guys in the first round.

How about that?

Bring in Colorado to Cleveland.

You don't think there would be some excitement?

That's not that bold of a prediction, though.

Really?

Because Cleveland just traded back up in the first round.

That's why they're really thinking.

I thought it was pretty bold.

Thank you, Jared.

I thought there was boldness.

I think there was boldness.

Okay.

All right.

Let's talk about Shadour Sanders

while we have the opportunity,

while we're discussing him.

We all like him.

He's a talent.

Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year.

Obviously has pedigree, has DNA.

I don't like how kind of some of these negative articles

have seeped out the last couple days.

Well, look, I equate it to, like,

having a conversation with my wife about some family drama,

and, like, I don't know what to believe anymore.

You've told me this side of the story, this side of the story.

Like, I trust nothing I hear.

Similarly with Shadour, I am so confused because it's been a full 360. He's going in the top three.
Oh, he's going to slip. Maybe someone's going to take him at three, and now he's out in the first round.
Like, it is so confusing. I've never been more confused about a single player and where he's going to go.
And I think it could be all BS at this point. I'm trying to hate this man for no reason.
Hey, Matt, we covered Shador a lot. We did a little segment on Big Noon.
And there is not this year, the year before. It was almost half the snaps he was spent because his offensive line was so bad.
Right, running for his life. You can't do that at the NFL.
You can't. Everyone's too fast.
And you'll get hurt. Yeah.
So what's his pocket presence? Who knows? You cannot say you have great pocket presence because you watch him now. And once again, I was all in on Shadour because we've seen him.
Incredible arm talent, accuracy. But a lot of that you start back and you sit back and watch it.
Wait a minute now. He's on the move and that's not possible.
And that wasn to your point. He was trying to have the weight on his shoulders and be Superman, and he would be running backwards 30 yards and get sacked and take a 30-yard loss.
I mean, Lamar Jackson is really the only player that can almost kind of sit back and then pick and choose when he wants to run. That's a whole different animal.
And that's a whole different animal. Shador's a really fine quarterback.
I mean, he's accurate. He's got a good arm.
He moves well enough, but he's not an elite athlete in that regard as far as running. Like Cam Ward's an elite athlete.
I think he runs and he's closer to the Lamar mold as far as his ability to use his legs. I think Shador needs to go to a place where he has to have like he has to have a lot of guys around him.
He has to have a lot of really good players around him. I'm not sure you're going to get that at two or three.
Let me put you on the NFL model. One through ten arm strength.
Probably like a seven. Accuracy.
I think he's like a ten, nine or ten. He's highly accurate.
Mobility. One through ten.
That one's different for me because Ben Roethlisberger was extremely mobile,

but he wasn't fast.

Right.

Shador Sanders can move and move around and manipulate the pocket,

but he's not fast.

So I think his mobility is very good.

He's just not going to break away and run for, you know, like, again, I use Lamar.

I mean, that's unfair.

But Josh Allen, Josh Allen is big and fast and can run and use his legs. Shador doesn't have that game.
And then you go to football IQ. I think it's high.
And then leadership quality. Those are the things you're saying.
Other than throwing his line under the bus that one time, I'd say that he has good leadership qualities. First rounder? First rounder on Shudor? Yes.
Top 15?

Yes.

Wow.

You're torn.

I know you are, man. 21 and a half.

You had him yesterday morning.

It's the line, right?

But this is the...

21 and a half.

21 and a half, right?

But this is what you're saying.

This is the time of the draft, and I went through this as well,

where especially the quarterback position,

stuff starts to come out because teams want to manipulate.

Let's throw a bad hour. It's really the shitty part part about it especially with a quarterback who just wants to get drafted um i've never been more confused about the smoke screens we're all confused but that there's there's a rhyme and reason to some of these teams and hoping that a kid like that drops every draft yeah it happens two to three weeks out and there's just but the problem is it's it's shador it's deon sanders it's all of what we've seen from Shador and Colorado the last two years that have put this big-ass light on him.
And now he's about to become a professional. We'll know the next page of that story tonight.
How about some fan questions to take us home here as we're wrapping up the big show presented by Nissan. I don't know if you guys are paying attention out there.
How many of you, raise your hand if you think you could get one yard in the NFL.

You guys are some lying, unrealistic people.

You're going to break your arm, dude.

Unrealistic.

Jerry, the question is on how many carries.

One carry?

You get one play.

I take three carries over or under one and a half yards.

Raise your hand if you think you're going over. Is this net yards? Is this leaving? Is it gaining one yard or is it net yards? Like you have to have the stat line three carries for one yard.
You have to have three carries for over one yard. Give us a visual of what offers the line.
For two yards. From the dude with the glasses and the Aiden Hutchinson jersey wants to, says, put him in the eye and I'll get it.

That's not the best way to get your yard.

Well, before we get to the fan questions, Coach.

You don't want to run up the middle, dude. This one's for Coach, and this one is from Jerry from Brooklyn.

First time, long time.

If you had to, like, if there was a new rule that said

you have to play a non-professional one snap per game, and I was your non-professional, where would you put me on the field? If I had to play one snap in order for your team to be eligible, what would you have me do? Oh, that's easy. Long snapper.
Yeah. I'd extend you far right on the outside.
And we'd run the other way. Someone would have to cover you.
If not, we could fall down for six yards.

But yeah, but as far right.

So you wouldn't even have the faith to just be like,

you know what, they'd never think we'd do this with Ferrara.

Let's give the kid a shot.

No chance.

Just stand around.

That's why you're a Hall of Fame coach.

Hey, by the way, that reminds me one time.

I lined up on the outside as a decoy,

and the coroner just started laughing.

He jammed the shit.

I went out there, I was like, dude, I'm just blocking. He just goes, all right.
Don't care. All right, this one is from Jim.
You just threw an F-bomb. Yeah, I did.
Sorry. Jim in Wisconsin was out there in the crowd.
This was for Matt and Mark. And we kind of asked Kunis' question, but hardest-hitting player you ever played against in the NFL? Or you can even go college or NFL.
Hardest hit or hardest hitting player? Hardest hitting player, whether he hits you or not, the guy that you did not want to get hit by. Spikes up there.
I was never scared to get hit by somebody, but I was aware of where they were at on the field. Right.
So I'd have to say it was Cam Chancellor. Cam Chancellor, yeah.
He was just coming downhill. Cam Chancellor, yeah, nasty mug.
You hit me, watch your mouth. He just big, about 6'4", 230-pound safety, black visor sitting in the middle of the Legion of Boom.
Just waiting, just waiting. Just you bounce out.
He? He? Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, Cam Chancellor, I have to say. I knew where he was at when we played Seattle.
Matt, who are you getting ready?

You're breaking the huddle, and you're like, oh, God, this guy's coming off the edge.

Ray Lewis in Baltimore.

I was telling Mark I want one of his all-black Ravens jerseys.

That was back in the heyday with Ed Reed and Terrell Suggs.

And all-black, black visor, 52 right from here, like six yards.

And I never got hit by him, but I was like, God damn. But the hardest I've ever been hit, James Harrison for Pittsburgh.

I was coming out on a bootleg.

I would like to thank damn. But the hardest I ever been hit, James Harrison for Pittsburgh.
I was coming out on a bootleg. I went to jump up.
He picked me up by my waist, body slammed me. The only time in my career where I stayed out a play, I couldn't get up, dude.
Did he say anything to you after he did it? No, he just went back to the huddle. I had a back contusion, and then the next week I broke my collarbone.
It was a bad week for me. Matt, my neck and my back.

My neck is broken.

The trainers came out.

The trainers came out.

They're like, you're all right.

I'm like, yeah, I just can't move real quick, but give me a second, man.

Final.

Hardest.

Real quick, Matt.

Hardest I've been hit.

Was that week one?

Yeah, it was.

I was excited. No, that was Maryland.

It was week one.

That was TCU. TCU.
Coach, we got one for you, and I'm No, that was Maryland. It was week one.
That was TCU.

Coach, we got one for you, and I'm still upset you wouldn't actually give me the rock.

All right, Ethan from Minnesota.

One of the most overlooked players you ever coached?

Terry McLaurin.

Yeah.

Great call.

Great call.

A few Commander's jerseys out there.

The Redskins.

You mean the Redskins right there?

Yeah, Terry.

Washington Redskins.

Terry McLaurin was a guy that was fast,

was a guy that was unrecruited coming out of high school,

developed, was our best special teams player.

And, yeah, people passed and passed and passed.

The other one, the other one, Corey Lindsley, your starting center.

And I got in a big argument with scouts the next year

because, I mean, best center I've ever had at one of the best,

and they said his arms are too short.

I was like, what are you talking about?

And he went on to have a great career.

A great career here, started as a rookie at Green Bay.

Corey Lindsley.

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