NBA Finals preview, a Night with the Savannah Bananas & Max Greenfield Talks Tom Thibodeau

I know we don't want to spend too much time on the Knicks.

We can.

Recap the season in 30 seconds for you.

The season was fucking awesome.

You could be a little disappointed because we were right there.

The fact that some Knicks fans now also want to fire Tibbs, it's just bananas.

All right, what's up everybody?

We taped a really, really great podcast and you're going to hear most of it shortly.

But we did sort of wrap up the Knicks season and the future and how we felt about the Knicks, especially me.

Only to find out right after we wrapped as I was picking my kids up from school that the Knicks fired Tom Thibodeau.

Obviously, that wasn't going to work.

And Matt's already on a plane for reasons why you'll hear later.

So we had to fix that.

And also I had to get some therapy out.

And I thought, who is the person I call?

Who's my break-in-case of emergency Nick's friend where I work out all my feelings?

Max Greenfield, friend of the show, awesome actor, best friend in real life.

So, Max is going to come on right now and we are going to hash out how we feel about the Knicks firing Coach Tom Thibodeau.

All right, Max.

I just did probably like 40% of of an episode where I talked about the Knicks' future and how bright it was and how it was such a great season and there's no way Tibbs is going anywhere.

And then Shams messed up our whole day.

I'm a little devastated and shook and you're my go-to emotionally for this stuff.

Where are you at mentally right now?

You texted me.

I had to pull over the car.

I got so scared.

This is what you texted me.

Whenever you do this,

I get very nervous.

I have no idea what's happening you

you just texted omg

is it question mark

and i just went let me go to espn because if there was if there's not like a big red marker that says breaking news then something like really bad just right right

rather than have an opinion on the decision itself

i just think about Tom Thibodeau as like a guy and a coach.

And he,

I'll never forget there was a, um,

it was like when the Knicks were on that sort of Derrick Rose tour.

You remember when

early Julius Randall, yeah.

And they went to Chicago

where there was, it was obviously like a big celebration.

Um,

and uh, the press conference afterwards,

Thibodeau's up there, and he's doing his usual thing, even though it's, it's, you know, like this emotional sort of

culmination of Derrick Rose's career.

And he's just sort of like, you know, very, very blunt with his answers.

And at some point during the press conference, Yoki Noah comes in

and disrupts the conference.

And he made some joke about like his wedding or something.

Or it was a very personal joke that was very inside that nobody understood.

And he came like Noah came in a little bit hot, and Tibbs, for a second, had to like figure out what exactly was going on.

He cracks a smile, which cracks Noah.

Noah comes up to the to the

table, whatever.

Tibbs stands up, and they give each other a hug

that was like out of a movie.

Like, ah, this is like, this is my coach.

And they love

history, and we love each other.

and from that point forward

you know i mean like look the the

the complaints about

tom thibodeau's coaching are are not like you know secrets i've uttered quite a few times and texted you quite a few times this playoff run like tibbs man what is he doing and i don't know either about basketball like i know but i don't know Right.

So I don't know anything.

But when I saw that moment, it really was like, for me, I thought, from this point forward, I don't care whatever I think or anybody else thinks, I'm with this guy.

Let's play a little game, okay?

If we were journalists and Leon Rose said, all right,

I'm going to get, I'm going to, yeah, you go.

Now he takes on glasses.

Now I'm a journalist.

Leon Rose has granted me and you an interview.

Just two of us.

We're going to sit down for five minutes.

We get one question each.

Do you want me to go first and you have a minute to think?

Because I know what I would ask them.

Okay.

Hey, Leon, sir, Jerry Ferrara from Throwbacks.

Was anything short of the finals

always going to be this result?

Meaning, like,

because I feel like with that question, you can imply, Yes, on the outside world, it looks like chemistry was high, teams playing well, but was this finals or bust and we we didn't even know it because of the moves?

It was so quick, Max.

So that's what I would ask Leon Rose.

I would say, you know, if they lost to the Celtics, this was probably going to happen.

Was this, or was it something that happened in a Pacer series that you really said,

fuck, this has got to end now?

That would be my question to Leon Rose.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's, it's, it makes me worry too, because, you know,

it felt like all year long we they with the towns trade, they assembled this new team and

they were figuring each other out and what the lineups were and what the chemistry was.

And there was times where the Brunson Towns thing looked unstoppable.

And there was times where it felt like they completely went away from it.

And then Brunson gets injured for a while.

And then all of a sudden the team looks.

like a totally different team.

Bridges gets unlocked.

Bridges is playing great and OG is scoring 30 a game and you're like, whoa, there's a lot here.

But it also felt like, for me at least, I was like, this is a great starting point.

I think we're a year away.

And there was Boston looming out there who I thought, well, we'll never be.

We're not going to beat Boston.

And so we go into the playoffs and

I thought, just don't lose to Detroit.

I was there with you.

I was like, let's just beat Detroit and then we'll get to Boston.

And, you know, that's what's that's expected.

And then just put up a fight, man.

Put up a fight.

Whatever you do against Boston, just don't die quietly.

And then all of a sudden the Knicks beat Boston.

And I think it really,

and I don't know.

I think what the question that you asked makes me think about

how

did expectations shift

as a result of how the playoffs are.

That's the question I'm asking.

Basically, essentially, it's like, well, because also, this is something that Leinert and I talked about on the show today, which we don't have to cut because of this firing, was it certainly does feel like the dawn of a new day in the NBA where we went from super teams and big three

to, all right, maybe you could do like a superstar one and one A and some role players.

And that's worked like for the Nuggets and that's worked for the Celtics to a degree.

And now I feel like we're entering this.

I mean, look at the Thunder and the Pacers.

We're entering this.

You got to kind of be 10 deep now if you really want to last these three grueling rounds to get to the finals and go.

And, you know, obviously the Pacers were built for that.

I just still

wonder, obviously, like, it's just so hard to know what the expectations were, like you said, because I also don't think you make this move.

without firmly knowing who your coach is going to be coming off this firing.

And I don't think you make this move without, Max, you and I, we've talked, I feel like we've almost talked about this before.

You and I have been in the entertainment business for almost 30 years at this point.

We're not always involved in the big decisions, but like, you know, what's kind of happening if it is, right?

Like if they were going to remove your showrunner or a producer or another act, you might not get a say, but you might know.

Maybe I'm saying you don't make this move unless you know who the coach is.

And do you do this move without saying to Brunson and Kat and Hart?

And like, hey, we're going to move on from Tibbs.

Not saying we want your opinion, but maybe just give them a chance to die on the sword.

And maybe no one did.

Pure conjecture and speculation.

But like,

you could be, if you're firing Tibbs, you have to end up with the guy that you have either always wanted or have been flirting with for quite some time.

Fair?

Come on, bro.

Who are we going to end up with?

If Johnny Johnny Bro.

All right, well, let's go down through it.

Can I just give you, can I give you a...

Bring me back.

I'm going to bring you back.

Please do.

I'm not suggesting this as

the next coach of the Knicks.

Oh, no.

But

remember Mark Jackson?

Has

a credible run with gold

and then

loses his job.

Everybody's like, wait, what?

And then Steve Kerr comes in and Steve Kerr wins, what, 11 championships?

Yeah, just has, yeah, one of the best, one of the best runs ever.

Becomes the Olympic coach and is like, you know, now,

but

so I do think that's a possibility.

Realistically, to me, and again, I know, I know nothing.

I'm just looking because I watch every game.

The only candidates I could imagine that you fire Tibbs, who knocked on the door this year, is

obviously the Mike Malone stuff is super interesting, champion, but offense heavy.

I mean,

we the fun rumors like Jeff Van Gundy, but him and Tibbs are kind of like boys.

Like, would he would he do?

Would he take over?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I just don't know.

And if Van Gundy wants the head coach again, I don't know.

Then obviously, the fun one is Jay Wright because of the Villanova thing.

We'll go full Villanova.

Those to me are like the three realistic ones.

Then there's

the ugly side of Twitter is like, Spolstra is going to leave Miami.

Okay, that's interesting.

Uh, Kerr is going to leave Golden State.

It's never happening.

And then, then there's the wacky Meta World Peace, puts his name in a hat.

Rick Petino.

I got to imagine it's one of those three guys that I just mentioned.

No?

And then lastly, sorry, I cannot forget.

Johnny Bryant, who was with the Knicks and is like a finalist, I think, for the Suns job, is a very, very good coach.

loved him when he was in New York.

Do you fire Tibbs and hire a first-year coach?

So I just hit you with a lot.

I'm going to read what I texted you.

If they announce John Stamos as the new coach, this means Giannis is coming.

We haven't even crossed the cat bridge yet.

If the new coach or the assistant coach has the last name Anton Takumpo,

I think I know where this is going.

Nick signed Fanassus Antonacumpo

to the Westchester Knicks.

Yeah.

Look, I mean, truly,

if that's a real possibility, that then trumps whatever relationship you have with Tibbs.

And

right.

If you think that's going to make, if that, if you think that puts puts you in a better position, or if there's some world where you know that puts you in a pole position to get Giannis, you make the move.

Okay.

Right.

It was interesting that the athletic seemingly had an article written for like the last two weeks that they were just waiting for the Knicks season to end.

They will change the date and launch it.

That's always a sign that, you know, either there was things going on long before this or there's a coaching change about to happen and they're getting out in front of the narrative.

This did feel like

parting shots for me.

It did feel like the cat trade emotionally where it's like

you get a little excited because you know oh maybe it is Spolstra.

Maybe it is Mike Malone.

That could be an exciting outcome like getting cat.

That's exciting.

But the sadness of not finishing what you started similarly with Randall and DiVincenzo and now a coach Tibbs.

But if you look at the history, every time this has happened and you feel that way as a Knicks fan, they have upgraded that next year.

Right.

It has brought them to another level.

And I'll say this, you know,

because I feel the same way.

It's really hard to digest these things.

It's sad.

It's sad.

When RJ Barrack got texted about traded, I was like, what?

Look what I'm wearing, bro.

I'm wearing an Obi Toppin Knicks shirt out of honor and respect.

I was sort of like,

I mean, I just really wrapped my head around RJ being the future of this franchise.

But this idea of like

having this core group

together, especially as these players ascend and become financially or are worth financially what

the new cap or what I don't understand how any of this works.

Yeah, but the math of it is so insane.

Like, I'm not sure that

these homegrown teams, these groups that started together, like the Jalen Browns and Jason Tatums, and we'll see what happens with that.

But, like, you know, I don't know that that's necessarily

a realistic possibility anymore in the NBA.

You're right.

You're absolutely right.

There's a version where Leon Rose and those guys are like,

we are and have been aware of the direction this league is going.

And it's a year to leave year

league.

And we need to sort of adjust and make moves based on that.

And, you know, I'll end with this and we'll let you go.

I did say at some point to the liner today, in terms of the season being a success, it is.

This team has always felt like it was built to beat Boston.

And they did.

I don't think anyone built the team to beat the Pacers.

You know, I don't think that was on the agenda.

And now that is part.

And now it looks like the Celtics might be taking a year off.

Who knows?

I'm sure they'll fight through it and be competitive.

The East is ripe for the picking.

And maybe they just see a real opportunity to solidify the Knicks as the perennial number one, two seed.

And Eastern Conference finals now will be a failure if it's only that five six years ago we were like

and now we're realistically talking about you know the eastern conference finals as a bust as a bust right we're not used to this which is also part of the problem no this is all i mean look this is this is all

great this is all we're like the knicks are in a wonderful position and as a fan base we get to experience the potential potential of this team

for the foreseeable future, at least, I mean, certainly next year.

This is why you're my break in case of emergency, Nick fan, bestie, because how we usually end most of our calls is on a high note.

I feel like we're leaving on a high.

I feel like we just went through therapy and it's out.

And I now, I do feel ready to move on now.

The Knicks made the Eastern Conference finals.

Very winnable series as well.

We had an awful first game.

It was a very winnable series.

I don't walk into next season going, you just got to beat the Pacers.

I think it's, you know, I think they're a great team, but they're one of a very few great teams in the East.

Tell Tess I said hello, and I enjoyed, I enjoyed seeing you stressing.

It made me feel good knowing there was someone else out there that

also had to just

do things to deal with the stress.

So I appreciated those posts.

It was, it was,

the playoffs were a long road.

Every game took too much out of me.

Keep Ozzie away from the Knicks, bro.

Keep away from the Knicks.

It's all Lakers, man.

Good.

Well, that's fine.

Don't pass on your trauma to your children of being a Knicks fan.

I love you, buddy.

That was the best.

And

we'll talk again.

We'll talk some football at some point.

I got to stop.

Go next.

All offseason.

I'm ready.

Let's go.

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You know what I would like to move on to?

Because

to me, this is my favorite social media clip of the week.

And it also involved something I'm new to that you put me on to.

You went and messed around with some Savannah bananas action.

How does that come to you, by the way?

And maybe tell the audience a little bit what the bananas even are.

Because I was new to it and now I'm all about it.

Yeah, I'm surprised.

I'm surprised.

Yeah, I mean, if your boy,

they came across.

social media years ago.

I think it was like they started like 2016 and they're in a league and

they've just became a phenomenon slowly, but surely.

But you would always see them on social, dancing, singing, playing baseball.

Everyone was kind of like, eh, like, who are these guys?

And it just caught fire, obviously.

And

fast forward about eight, nine years later, this is like a traveling.

I actually

talked to the guys about this.

It's not necessarily Harlem Globetrotter-esque.

They have the trick plays.

They have this kind of show, right?

It's entertainment, but the game itself is not scripted at all.

So the game is playing a real game with their rules that are different, but they're playing a real game.

They're trying to get each other out.

The bananas don't win every game at all.

Like it's not, it's not like that.

It's just this,

it's made up of a lot of former baseball players, former D1, D2, some minor leaguers, really good high school players

that are great on social media, can entertain fans, but also can play baseball.

And they have these insane trouts and all that.

And as of the last year or so, they've traveled around the country.

They've sold out.

They've sold out baseball stadiums.

They've even sold out.

They sold out Clemson.

I believe better attendance than that.

I believe this weekend.

I believe this weekend or next weekend,

they're out in Charlotte for Carolina Panthers.

So they sold out Carolina Panthers Stadium.

Jeez.

Yeah, man.

And they're just, and they're, and so how I got involved

was my boys, my boys love their Instagram page because they just, it's just a bunch of, you know, like I'm sure your boy, like they're into their songs, right?

They love these songs and they see these baseball players dancing.

My boys play baseball.

So they just, they just have fell in love with that.

So sometimes like a couple nights a week before bed, instead of reading all that, we'll watch some Savannah, Savannah banana video.

So my Kaysin's like got socks and all this stuff.

So they were coming out to Anaheim, right?

And they had, they don't come out to the West Coast very often, if at all.

I think they've been to Utah.

I hit up one of the guys on Instagram.

I was just like, hey, slid into some DMs.

No shame, bro.

No shame.

And I was like, and I was like, you know, I'm like, I'll buy tickets, whatever.

It's just like online, you couldn't find them because they do a lottery.

So they do a pure lottery.

You have to sign into the lottery and then you get, I think it's $40 a ticket.

So they charge hardly anything, but you could sit in the nosebleeds or you could sit first row.

So it's a pure lottery.

So online, they were like being resold or sold for like $700.

I'm like, dude, I'm not going to spend like

I hate that they even do that.

Yeah, these are just, yeah, whatever.

So I hit one of the guys up, um, Jackson Olson, one of their biggest, one of their biggest stars, and uh, couldn't have been more awesome.

Yeah, dude, take care of you, blah, blah, blah.

So, like, we're messaging for a couple weeks.

I get in touch with their PR guy, um, who also does a lot of their sideline reporting stuff.

Good dude.

And uh, long story short, we end up going to batting practice the day before at Angel Stadium, just shooting the shit on the field.

All of them, Cole came, my other boys, they're running on the field.

Cole's getting tips on how these trick plays, who, by the way, these guys are unbelievable,

yeah.

Like the shit they're doing between their legs, the flips with the baseball, like it has the globetrotter feel, and just getting guys out at first, like real baseball players who have a crazy skill set.

So Cole's out there, the boys are hitting BP.

They're getting chased around.

Like it's just, it was so awesome, man, because

I've been on the other side as an athlete when kids come out and you take, like, they are, they know exactly who they are and the meaning behind

Savannah bananas, right?

And the kids will remember it forever.

Oh, dude.

So that's B.

So that's BP.

And then Jesse, who runs the show, he's always in the yellow tucks, right?

He goes, hey, dude, what do you think about throwing the first pitch tomorrow night?

And I go, I go, I'll do whatever you need me to do.

I mean, you guys are taking care of us, whatever you need.

So his whole thing was like a baseball, then changed it to a football story.

Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.

Was that their idea?

Because I thought that was genius.

Go watch it on social if you haven't yet.

Yeah,

that was that was his idea.

Um,

and so I'm like, cool.

So then I'm just fired up, dude, because I know like, and they're like, dude, you guys can hang in the dugout.

I'm like, really?

They're like, yeah, just hang in the dugout.

Whatever you want to do during the game.

So

I throw the first pitch.

I was a little nervous.

I was more nervous about like, I just want to, I wanted to throw a strike because in there in Banana Ball, that first pitch counts as a ball or something.

It counts, which by the way, that is a great.

Some of their rules need to be adopted by the mlp yeah they should actually run the m they should elect that guy as a commissioner oh yeah well i want well i want to get jesse yan because he's a fascinating guy and just his story of how he's grown it's it's unbelievable anyways throw the first pitch strike high vibe and then dude i'm in i'm in the dugout probably for six of the nine innings with cold the little ones ended up going back up to the seats um and i'm just in there i'm just thinking like they're putting on a show like they're they're interacting with me.

And like, they're just like, some of them were football guys growing up.

So like, I'm at that age where some of them like watched me when they were like 12, you know, like they're like, dude, I remember USC, which also makes me feel old.

But

it was cool, dude.

And I will say this to everybody that's listening to this.

If you get it, even if you don't like baseball, even your boys, if they ever come to Cleveland, it is a pure, it's a, it's a spectacle to see in person.

The clips don't do it justice, right?

The clips are like TikTok dances and little skits and they're and all of this stuff that they do and they do a great job of that in person and even if you watch it on tv because sometimes it's on tv in person you you have to go it's like one of those sporting events where you like you just have to go in person to see it you would love it even if you had knew nothing about it um

so shout out to savannah bananas jesse the whole crew for taking care of us the hospitality um honestly an experience for me i'll never forget and for and honestly the one who had the most the most fun cole cole was, Cole, Cole was like, dead.

Good for an 18-year-old, too.

It was great.

Cole was on social media.

Yeah.

And he befriended some of the guys and all that.

And they're like following, you know, they all follow each other on Instagram now.

And so he was, he was so happy.

But the last thing I'll say, he goes, dad, if football doesn't work out, he could be on the banana.

But I think I could bring like a football element to banana likes.

And I'm like, and some of the guys are like, hey, we don't have that.

So anyway.

Well, I got two follow-ups.

When they switch it from a baseball, which you grew up playing, to a football,

are you like, okay, dope?

Or are you like, man, I really wanted to throw a baseball?

I probably had, I would have had more confidence throwing a strike with a baseball than a football.

Okay.

Because I was a pitcher.

So I was a pitcher my whole life.

I still play baseball all the time with my kid.

Like I play and catch.

You're loose.

You're a little loose.

UCL feels okay.

Yeah.

Football.

No Tommy John over here.

Football I throw a lot with Cole, but like on a mound, throwing down to a catcher, like, you know, like, I will, I would just say this, Jerry.

I would say this.

And it's kind of like riding a bike, dude.

Well, that's what, that's my next screen.

If you don't act for a couple of years, you can kind of dive right back in and you can give us a great scene because it's just like, you just, it's just, it's ingrained.

Yeah, it's ingrained.

So like throwing a first pitch for me is, is like, I've thrown a handful, like probably three or four in my life, which is pretty awesome.

Like, it's, it's more just like, yeah, don't make a fool of yourself, you know, like, and a football is different.

I will say that.

A football is different.

And it was, by the way, when I threw a strike, I was so fired up, dude.

I was about to get the crowd going.

That's what I wanted to ask you, too.

Like, you know what, like, hoops, it's like, all right, like, if you could shoot, you could kind of, the last thing, of course, not go, but like, you could still always shoot.

With a quarterback, though, like, even if you hadn't thrown for two years, it never leaves you.

It never leaves you, right?

Right.

Yeah, I mean, unless you got an injury or something, unless you have a bad injury.

I could throw, yeah, I could go, and my arm still feels pretty good.

So, like, I could go if NFL receivers right now needed me to throw for them, like to just warm up, like to work out,

I could easily do that now.

I probably couldn't throw the ball more than 50 yards, but like everything else, I could just, you know, like I can give him a workout, you know, like, like I throw that coal with some of his receivers because he needed, he had like eight receivers one day.

And I'm like, shit, man, let me dust off the old arm.

I was taking drops because I got new hips.

I was feeling good, dude.

So

last thing I'll say, Savannah Bananas, go check them out.

Follow them.

Honestly, introduce your boys to them, even if they don't.

I'm going to tonight.

I'm going to tonight because they're the T-Bays.

Yeah, they are a true show.

They couldn't have been nicer.

They're awesome, man.

And I'm going to get, I really want to get Jesse.

I want to get a player or two.

I want to get them on because I want,

I have, I had, I was like you, Jerry.

I was in the, I had a thousand questions.

Like, yeah.

Like, why this?

Or when did, like, I was like, I was fascinated.

I didn't even get them all answered because they're like, it's just like this, the weekly schedule.

like they have so much stuff they do it back-to-back night so they do they play like friday saturday night they fly back to savanna uh savanna they all live in savannah it's like a big old frat house over there and they just like monday tuesday wednesday they just go over they practice they practice their trick plays they do bp

and they go over all of their dance and songs that they want to do for the next week.

So it's like every week, they're just, they're hustling, man.

They're grinders.

It was, it was fascinating, dude.

So, well, I almost wore my jersey on this show.

I don't want to bring the mood down, but since we're on the topic of

first, no, since we're on the topic of first pitches and Andrew, I don't know if we could roll the clip.

The worst pitches of all time.

Jeremy Piven, my former co-star from Entourage, great actor, obviously.

He threw out the first pitch at a Cubs game, not his first time, because he threw it about 48 feet.

But I almost want to say that is way more courageous than what you did because like, we know you're going to reach.

We know, all right, you may not throw a strike, maybe you're a little high, but it's going to look good.

I got to imagine Pivin goes into that knowing he's not going to reach and still does it.

But it's something I would never do.

I would never,

if I couldn't get the ball to home plate, I would just be like, skip.

I don't want to throw the fire.

I don't skip.

See, I don't know.

I feel like if someone asked you.

I'm trying to think because basketball you could shoot.

So like if someone asked you to go out and do a three-point contest during an NBA game at halftime, and you boys, yeah, you would.

Golf, you would do anything.

Hockey, you probably wouldn't do much, right?

Hockey, I wouldn't do.

I would not show up to the thing you showed up to.

That's a hard pass.

I'll say, hey, can you throw?

Can you throw it?

Can you throw?

I've never seen you throw.

Shooting a basketball doesn't translate into throwing.

I could throw.

I could throw.

Am I saying I'm clocking in in the low 80s?

No.

I'm probably coasting one about 65 miles an hour.

Dude, I was, I was.

And I aimed for the catchers.

I threw out two first pitches, which we'll cover later.

And the only tip I ever got, too, was like, especially from the mound, just aim for the catcher's helmet.

And that'll ensure that you don't bounce it.

And I just had to imagine Piven knew

he can't reach

there.

Where does Pivenger?

He can't reach.

So I wouldn't lie.

Where does Piven rank amongst all-time worst?

I know your boy 50.

50 is number one.

That will never be defeated.

I don't think you can defeat it.

I mean, he threw the ball 40 feet to the left.

Like it was.

Undeniably.

By the way, Stephen A.

Smith was awful.

That might be number two.

That might be number two.

And again, I more marvel at the balls it takes to stand up there for Stephen A in Yankee Stadium, knowing you have no idea how to throw a baseball.

Zero.

So I looked this up.

Like, Snoop had a really bad one.

Actually, but he made it.

You know who had a sneaky bat?

Carl Lewis.

I remember Carl Lewis.

He threw the ball eight feet in front of him.

I want to forgive Carl Lewis because it's like Carl Lewis probably spent his entire youth.

Like, he probably never played baseball.

Maybe he did, but if not, he was too busy becoming one of the greatest athletes in his sport of all time.

Yeah, like he can get away with it because he's literally, yeah.

Like, come on, pivot and Steven, you guys never threw a baseball.

And if you did, you decide, I don't know.

I wouldn't do it for me.

If it was like, hey, do you want to do a breakaway against a goalie in hockey with skates on?

I'd say absolutely not.

this is really cool.

This goes back to your and I's conversation this past weekend.

We don't need to get into details, but we were just talking, we were talking about life.

You can talk about the fact that we got into our first podcast host, friend,

we got, we got

to an argument, a friendly fire coral.

That was that, but by the way, this is why I love you, man.

We just, you know, we're like, we're like two brothers, bro.

We're like a married, we're like, we are like a little bit of a married couple.

Yes.

But what we did say is you need to start, you need to start approaching things with a half glass full than a half glass empty don't just say no right away so even if I know I'm gonna fail miserably at this point yeah because you know what it's a memory and it's a great memory and it's a memory that your kids will always have and and you have the experience to talk on the show be like dude remember that time when i went out to uh the guardians game and i hit bp and like i struck out like what you know like it's like similar to the nicks stuff i think i care too much i honestly and this is not me sounding like, I'm not trying to come off as ungrateful.

I don't ever need to throw out a first pitch ever again

because the days leading up to it for me are incredibly stressful.

Incredibly.

Because, look, I know I could throw and it's, but you know, you, you just don't want to end up being.

Yeah, I know.

Well, especially now on social.

I will say this.

I don't, the hotel.

That's why I give credit to Piven.

Like, he just rolled it up there 42 feet, waved to the crowd, and walked off.

Like,

I'll get him next time.

And he wanted to think twice.

I would have went into hiding for a year after.

Also, maybe it's a smart play because he knows he's going to be talked about for a while, too.

Maybe it's like, you know, sometimes, sometimes guys are strategic.

The last thing I'm going to say,

I used to get the nerves I had before games and playing were obviously or anything or were different.

Like, honestly, I had more nerves going up playing and coaching Cole's football team.

Like, yeah, Super Bowl.

Which I love.

I love that.

No, I had way more.

Like, honestly, like, that kept me up the night before.

The Kings thing, I slept like a baby.

I was nervous for, but it wasn't, it was different.

I think I'm just getting older.

Like, the, like, the bananas thing, I was like nervous for Josie, would tell you, but I didn't, it didn't, like, I wasn't like thinking about it all day.

I thought about it five minutes before I went out.

I'm like, oh shit, this is about to happen.

Like, let's go.

So, it's just different, but like, I get more nervous coaching my kids, dude.

Not even close.

Well, here's why we're going to talk.

We're going to do a little NBA finals talk as the game kicks off tonight in a second.

But before we we go to that,

online with this topic, and this is airing on Thursday.

We're recording on Wednesday.

So when you're watching this right now out there, the results of this are already in.

So whether you watched it live or if you want to go on YouTube and watch the result,

to your point, why you're not full of shit is because you admittedly don't golf.

once or twice a year, which is normal for some people who don't really care about golf.

And you are now, you played in the Mahomes charity.

That's no pressure.

That's fun, but you felt a little stress.

And now you went right from that to arguably the biggest golf YouTube channel on the face of the earth, Good Good.

And they're having one of their live events, which I believe is broadcast on CBS.

YouTube

channel.

Yeah, it's going to be everywhere.

And you are playing in this because it's all NFL quarterbacks and playing football players.

And I have the roster.

You don't golf.

There's going to be galleries.

Are you not a little shook?

No, this one, this one, this one I'm, this one I'm extremely nervous for, dude.

Okay.

No, I'm dead serious.

No, this one,

and

the short version of my golf game is probably like 99% of them of guys who golf, right?

Maybe, may, may, maybe not because I am an athlete, right?

So I have the athletic ability and like the fluidness of a swing that at least does, at least my body allows me because I'm tight.

All that being said, so that's my only saving grace going in to a scramble format, playing with an absolutely OG like Garrett Clark, who I think I'm playing with him.

Yeah,

we're going to talk about that real quick.

So

in a scramble format, I can for sure

put together a handful of shots now just to help him and save him a little bit.

I can do that.

I just don't know when those shots are going to happen.

So when I go up to hole one, I could drive off the T like pretty good.

I could probably hit like eight or nine fairways in the 18, which probably isn't great.

But like, that's good for a scramble.

That's good.

Like, I can.

Like, I've done it.

But, like, I, like, we're playing 12 holes, and the nine that I don't make might be the nine of the 12 that I play.

So

I'm terrified, bro.

I'm terrified.

You're coming off of Mahomes, but you had four or five guys in your scramble.

This is two-man scramble.

So it's a friendly format, but you know

real quick tmi real quick like the thought of me talking about this right now i gotta go take i gotta i gotta go to the bathroom bro i gotta take you gotta go do go ahead yeah

you know what should we just throw through a break all right i gotta pull a shack dude i gotta pull a shack and go do like i gotta go to the bathroom

that's the nerves that i'm getting right now this the two-on-two scramble mic'd up on tv with cameras everywhere in a gallery and by the way i want to pose this question to you and everybody else so we could take a break because we could put this we could put this out there

the

the the thing that makes me the most nervous like one of the most lonely places in sports has to be on a t-box with a gallery 10 yards apart by the way a thousand people on each side watching the next up to the tea matt linert by the way guys I fucking suck and golf.

I golf twice every day.

Watch out.

You better watch out.

Honestly, dude, that shit gives me...

Do they sign?

They probably sign, like, they sign like things, right?

Liability is

taken out, but if you hit someone, you're going to have to sign a bunch of stuff for them, maybe have them out.

That has to be a USC game or something.

The scariest thing.

It's not, by the way, it's not fourth down on a two-minute drill for me.

Because you're comfortable with that.

I've shot, I've played golf in one tournament with a gallery years ago, and I was, I felt the same way.

And I ended up okay, but yeah.

We're going to take a quick break so Matt could go get some of his nerves.

I'm calling nerves out.

A few more quick things on this, and we'll talk a little NBA finals.

We'll come right back.

Hurry up, Matt.

Go hurry up.

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I do want to talk to you really quick.

One more thing for you with the Good Good tournament.

I'm going to just go through, because I know their content really well.

I'm just going to go through the lineup for tomorrow, even though the event has already ended.

You got Bubby, who is a very long hitter and can play with Matt Ryan, who I know is a stick.

Then we got Sean,

who's like a essentially a professional.

Oh,

they have all the pairings out there.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

With Jamal Charles.

I don't know anything about Jamal Charles's golf game.

I'm curious about that.

Then we have you and Garrett, which I want to tell you one thing quickly.

Brad Dalky, who could put up minus eight on his own ball, and Joe Hayden.

Matt Sharf, who has some of the best hole-in-ones on par fours in YouTube, some of the most viral moments ever, with Golden Tate, who I've heard is an absolute stick.

And then lastly, Stephen Castaneda, who's a really, really good player, really good scramble player with our boy, throwback zone, Patrick Peterson.

Yeah, who's like a one or two?

Who admitted to us on our own show that he's a two.

So here's the last thing I want to leave you with.

The unfortunate thing for you is you got paired with Garrett Clark.

Garrett is a great golfer, but Garrett Clark is to YouTube golf what Timothy Chalamay is to court side at the Knicks game.

You are going to be heavily featured because they want to feature Garrett as well heavily.

So we're going to see a lot of Maddie Ice on the...

You know what too, bro?

My last thing.

I got to be honest.

I didn't even know that.

Beat Matt Ryan.

I will, because you're Matty fucking ice.

I want the Maddie Ice off of Matt Ryan.

You beat Matt Ryan, if nothing else.

I'm the original Maddie Ice.

I came before Matt Ryan.

Yes.

yes dude you just by the way you just made me you gotta go to the bathroom again more nervous i didn't even think about the whole cameras thing which is fine but like the fact that garret yeah garrett he's the guy he's gonna get away

like

oh

you'll be all right you'll be all right um

we do i do want to talk quickly the finals are kicking off tonight and i know we went through my whole disappointment of the Knicks and everyone's talking about how upset the NBA must be about these, the two smaller markets in the league, which that's one way to look at it, which also, by the way, the NBA

necessarily, of course, they care.

It's more so like an advertiser network problem.

Like the NBA is signed for 11 years.

Oh, this is just a network deal.

It's a network deal.

So I love how everyone says Adam Silver's upset.

No, they got an 11-year deal.

Of course, he wants the finals to be good for when they re-up, but I don't think that's the issue.

But I don't know how, if you do like basketball, you can't be a little excited to see the best defense versus the best offense.

Oh, for sure.

I think it's a fun, it's a fun matchup.

The way the Pacers play, the pace.

I mean, and just like they had a lot of guys that like, like, like, obviously Halliburton was awesome, but they have another gear.

They have another gear.

Yeah, they have another gear.

They play fast.

They can play a little, like, they're just fun to watch.

And then OKC just absolutely smothers you on the defensive side.

It's a really, it's a really,

I think, I just think this is OKC's year.

I think that's easy to be just like, this is just an absolute historically dominant defensive team with an app with the MVP who's a star.

But I'll tell you what, man, this is probably the best matchup for pure basketball outside of maybe the Celtics, if they were fully healthy, that we could have gotten in the NBA.

Well, yeah, that's the thing.

I think that.

What we've learned about the Pacers is there, and I think this is a bigger basketball conversation that we don't have to have today, but the teaser of it is everything with the NBA goes in these cycles, right?

At first, it was when, you know, super teams, right?

Big threes.

That is what you needed to win in the NBA.

You needed three stars.

Then it became, well, you need two stars and a role player here or there, right?

Yeah.

And I think now we were up until like the nuggets with Jokic, we were down to like, you need one top 10 guy and then a bunch of almost like borderline all-star, not quite.

But now I think we're on to something completely deep, different.

I think now

Shay is obviously a star, and Halliburton, in my opinion, is a star.

Those guys are elite.

They're in the top 10.

Shea might be in the top three, but I think this, you going like 10 deep and playing a pace that we've never seen and empowering guys.

Like, I mean, I'm wearing my OB Topping shirt as a tip of the cap sign of respect.

He's the Pacers' eighth guy, and

he is, he had dagger shots against Knicks and pushes pushes the pace.

I think that's like what we're going to see in basketball now is to

do something for this.

I hope not.

I mean, look at the Suns, right?

They did Booker and Beale and Durant, and it's been an absolute dumpster fire.

I think you're right.

I think it's a star, too.

And then you build the, you have to be, I mean, the Lakers, you have to be,

you have to be eight deep.

Yeah, the Lakers aren't deep enough.

Bottom line, the Lakers aren't deep enough.

They're not.

So I'm with you.

I think it's more entertaining.

More entertaining for sure.

And just creates more parody.

I mean, for sure.

Look at the West.

I mean, my God.

Well, that's why I think this series is going to be great.

I have,

I swear to you, I have it as a seven-game series, but you don't need to listen to me.

I'm only saying that because I just think it's going to be a highly competitive.

We might get some thunder blowouts, but I think Indiana will hit into that gear that not a lot of teams have and will make it close.

But listen to the last 10 matchups in the finals so far.

You tell me which ones were your favorite.

Last year, Celtics in five over Luca and the Mavericks.

That was kind of a one-man show.

Kyrie, too, but like it was dying.

Then you had Nuggets in five over the heat.

So there's two five-game series, not great finals viewing experience.

Warriors in six over the Celtics.

That was very, I thought that was a very enjoyable, well-played series.

Bucks in six over the Suns.

Good series because the Suns went up 2-0 first and the Bucs came, but also weird times because

we were just getting crowds back, if you recall.

Lakers in six versus over the heat and the bubble.

That's its own thing.

I still give Lakers credit.

That's its own thing.

Then we go Raptors in six over the Warriors, which sounded fun.

It wasn't.

It was riddled with injury.

Durant blew out his Achilles.

Clay blew out his knee.

Raptors really were the team just healthiest.

Then we go Warriors sweep Cavs.

Warriors in five over Cavs.

And then we have probably the last great finals was Cavs over Warriors in seven.

And then, so that's what we've had the last 10 years.

Yeah, we haven't.

We've had a handful of competitive series.

Well, my prediction is this series will be

of the ones I just listed.

I think entertainment-wise, I think this one's going to be in the top three of all those ones I just mentioned.

It's never going to top Warriors Cavs when the Cavs come back, but it'll be third of that last 10.

I think Thunder and five.

Thunder and five.

Like you said, I think they're going to have some blowouts, dude.

That's just what they've done.

This whole, this whole thing, it's like they'll win by 40, and then they'll win by 40.

Do you do anything?

As we just saw with Carlisle, sure, you could say he out-coached Tibbs or whatever.

Carlisle's done it.

Carlisle took a Mavericks team that

was not the most talented team in the league and was a heavy underdog and won the championship.

And here he is again doing it.

And I love dagging out in the thunder, but you know, young coach, young team.

I just think it's going to be.

I think it'll be a good series.

Six or seven amazing.

They got enough.

And the pace, and they got a lot of scores.

They can shoot.

They get hot.

They can play D.

They got good size with Turner.

Do you think the Pacers run McAfee back out there?

Everyone's talking about the small market.

Do you think they say, all right, well, we got a big star?

Let's set McAfee up.

Yes.

What is it going to be?

Game three, right?

Game three.

Game three.

He'll host.

He's got a great promo versus the Knicks.

He did.

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NBA on TNT, which is having its inside the NBA farewell.

Even though they're not going anywhere, they're going to be right back next year.

Hopefully ESPN just lets them do their thing and doesn't tinker too much with the magic that we got i thought charles barkley asking carl anthony towns live on the air after the game why do you get so many dumb fouls only barkley could do that and that's the whole reason why we watch i really don't think we want the x's and o's insight all the time even though kenny smith gives us some great stuff too but that's what we want but that's that's the stuff when when you watch the game you're like why are you doing such

like he actually cat was great too his answer was was great he was just he said god only knows yeah god only knows and he's like oh he's like oh you're talking about the one where i reached in all that and like yeah like yeah you know i don't even know what i was doing i thought it was great because it was like genuine banter back and forth well it got it got me and us thinking here at throwbacks what are just some of the great sports shows of all time.

And then it led to a bigger thing of, hey, should we involve scripted shows?

How far do we want to go?

So I'm just going to open the menu and let's rattle off whether it's scripted, unscripted, post-game, pre-game, whatever.

Let's open up some of our favorite and bring people maybe back down memory lane a little.

Do you have a few off?

Yeah, I, I, it's, yeah.

Well,

I think the best damn sports show period was good.

I co-hosted once.

Yes.

I was on there a couple of times.

I think that was sort of an original.

Yes.

Had like the variety show flavor.

And it just kind of like, and like, you know, you just had fun, fun personalities, Sally and Arnold and you had Rodney Pete and you had all these guys.

They felt like fans.

They felt like

fans and the fans were there and they just had, they just were fun.

Like that was a big part of when I was started playing football, like high school.

Like that was, that was kind of the show.

You know what?

One also that

I'm ready for semi-scripted and you're not, you're going to be like, holy shit.

American Gladiators.

That's a great one.

Are you kidding?

That's maybe the best one.

I know.

I know.

I used to roll with Hawk from the American Gladiator, so I think he passed away, but he lived in Manhattan Beach.

When I first moved to L.A., right by El Tarrasco, off Rosecrantz, my buddy was rooming with Hawk from American Gladiator.

Lee, I forget his last name.

And let me just say, when we went out to bars, I felt real confident standing next to him if anybody wanted to start something.

Dude, the sad thing is, is that no one.

I think they've tried to reboot it a little bit, maybe like part in like the last year.

It doesn't work.

It just, like, it was such an it's an iconic show for our guys our age for like cole will never know cole be like american gladiators i'm like dude was the greatest show ever dude like i wanted to go on that show and try to dodge like the balls and like you know like the joust all that stuff so i was i was thinking i mean you know obviously semi-scripted but uh they have like uh what's the one now they have they have uh

The one where they do the obstacle course has like American Ninja Warrior.

American Ninja Warriors.

That's different.

There's no bad.

Like, yeah, they're not doing the joust, which was my favorite.

I always wanted to do that thing where they shoot the tennis balls at you like the final thing.

There's a great documentary.

I think it's on Netflix of American Gladiators, which you should fire up for one of your 85 flights that you have coming up.

I'm going to rattle off a few.

I was a big, as a kid, I was a big NBA Inside Stuff guy with the Maud Rashad.

Mad Rashad.

That was

essentially.

the way you found out about players.

Now we know everything about players with social media.

That was the only way you could find out Grant Hill was also an expert piano player.

Yeah, they had great stories.

It was just awesome.

Ahmad Rashad was the best at that.

Obviously, hard knocks, especially the vintage early years of hard knocks.

I'm so bummed that none of your NFL career got caught on hard knocks.

I would have loved seeing you on hard knocks.

Why?

I was a backup quarterback.

It would have been.

No, but I would have loved in those Arizona.

No, it would have been cool.

We would be in training camp or like before.

And I remember, or in the summer being like, I think one of our Arizona teams was up for it because we had gone to the Super Bowl or we were in the play, like, we had some good teams, but I think they turned it down.

Did you watch Hard Knocks ever while you were playing, or any guys you know, or was it like, well, watching our life?

Like, why are you doing that?

You know, what you know what the big show is?

Let me, let me, let me throw this out there.

The big show

that I watched during training camp, there were two things that we watched religiously every year.

Can you name them?

Now, think about the month of August.

August.

For me, one, it was always on in the, you know, the locker room or whatever.

The other one, I just watched all the time.

August is not really great.

Oh,

one of them is sports.

August's bored.

You got me.

Okay, Little League World Series.

Oh, oh, that's the best.

That's the best.

I still watch it now.

Like, I love watching it.

You ever take your kid?

We should go one year.

I would love to go.

I'm like a two-hour drive away.

Yeah, I'm like a nine.

No, fly into my, you come to my house with the kids.

We all hang out.

We take the drive.

The thing about out there in Ohio is like everything is within like two hours of each other.

Everything's two hours away.

Everything.

Because like Brady lives out there.

I'm like, oh, he's like, I'm driving to Wisconsin.

And I'm like, what?

He goes, yeah, everything's like three, four hours.

It's the truth.

And the second show.

Dude, come on, bro.

You've watched this.

Shark Week.

Shark membership.

It is Shark Week.

I'm sorry.

I thought you were all talking about it.

I'm just saying, those are the two shows during training camp.

Okay, how about this?

And rest in peace to him.

Stump the Schwab.

That's the show I want to redo

on social media somehow.

He passed away last year, but he was an absolute just legend.

He was so mad when he missed the question.

He would slam his hand on the table.

For the few times he ever lost, he would get so pissed.

You know who needs to be the next next is my boy Bear, Chris Felica.

Is he genius with

genius, bro?

With sports trivia?

Because I have a guy too.

We'll get him on the show too, because

he's, yeah, he's fascinating.

Just the way, you know, like gamblers and all that kind of stuff.

And like, he's, he's a walking encyclopedia for sports history.

So it's like...

fascinating how that works.

So I think he'd be good.

And obviously, these are the obvious ones.

You know, me, I like to go off obvious.

I'll just list like the heyday of like Dan Patrick Sports Center.

That's that's Chris Burke.

I could say is the greatest of all time.

And obviously, like around the horn and PTR,

sure.

I'm going a little bit further.

I mean, in the vein of hard knocks 24-7, which was like the boxing version before a big fight, Floyd Mayweather kind of took that.

And then lastly, too, I was a big outside the lines guy.

And like Bob Lee called when you

feel like a player or a coach had a call from Bob Lee, it's like, oh, shit.

We're in trouble now.

Outside the lines.

Outside the lines.

Huge.

I feel like we're missing something.

Oh, I got.

Well, look, there's a GOAT Saturday morning cartoon.

You might be a little young.

Do you remember Pro Stars?

Oh, yeah.

Cartoon with Bo Jackson, Michael Jordan, and Wayne Gretzky is one of the genius ones.

Pros versus Joe's is another show that should be remade.

Like, it should still be on if it's not on.

I I know it's always on somewhere.

It should 100% be on.

Yeah.

And NFL Primetime.

1990.

I feel like NFL Primetime was one of the last times with sports media that I was like, I gotta, we okay, it starts at this time.

We have to get that on for Berman.

Tim, he, you know, just like, you know, Eric sleeping with the B enemy.

That was genius.

Few scripted ones.

Obviously, Friday Night Lights, legendary.

White Shadow, taking you a little far back.

White Shadow.

You never heard of White Shadow?

You're youngin'?

Go on YouTube and watch White Shadow episode.

What is that?

It's a high school basketball show about a former NBA player who comes back, who goes to a school to coach hoops.

And obviously, Playmakers.

Playmakers.

Did you watch Playmakers?

No, but I've heard of it.

When you have characters buying heroin in halftime,

Ballers is good.

Ballers is good.

get yes i should not leave ballers out did you you never got called to be on i feel like you would have been such a great ballers cameo

i never did i feel like glaze glaze because glazer was on glazer was on there i feel like glazer and i talked about it at one point his fake baller show was glazed and confused they glazed his fake sports show glaze which is a great

i like that i got you with outside the lines dude america outside the lines yes do you have any ones before we move on no i was just i was about to look up American Gladiators, bro, and all the characters.

And we, we, we have to acknowledge, even though I think it's done more harm than good, but early years, skip and Stephen A, first take, even though it's, it's definitely done more harm than good.

It was a phenomenon.

I used to set my TiVo DVR to record it.

I had to watch it back in the day, but yes, in the long term, might have done some more harm than good.

So let me hold on.

Let me give you a list of some of these character names on American Gladiator.

Okay, ready?

I know them all.

Do you know them?

I know a lot of them.

Ice.

Ice, great.

Siren.

Siren, sure.

Gemini.

Remember, Gemini.

Thunder.

Laser.

Turbo.

Diamond.

Tower.

Was it Nitro?

Don't forget Nitro.

That's like the most.

Thor, Titan, Blaze, Nitro.

Yeah.

Zap.

Oh, Hawk.

Diesel, Blade.

Hawk's my guy.

Rearman.

Lee Rearman, I think his name was.

So

thank you.

Thank you to Wendy's, Flavor of the Week.

And we're going to come right back again and finish up here and get you off to go play some golf.

I don't think we did mailbag last week, so we're going to hit mailbag.

I found a good one, even though to me it's a little heartbreaking.

We could get sad for a minute.

But anyway, Brett and Charlotte.

Last week, a player for the Marlins, Ronnie Simon, committed three errors in the first four innings of the game and left the field in tears.

Genuinely felt for the guy and was wondering if you guys ever saw something like this either on the football field or on a set of a show or a movie.

I feel like there's not a lot of we used to say, there's no crying in baseball.

I feel like there's really not.

Let me tell everybody something real quick here.

You can't.

I'm not laughing at this.

My last game

in Buffalo, I was there for,

I say, a cup of coffee.

I was there for four days.

It was preseason game four,

and I started.

I got called in like on a Sunday.

I flew and I started on a Thursday.

I tried to learn the offense, all that, all that being said.

I threw three interceptions in the first half.

I was four for 11.

Okay.

Three interceptions.

I stood on that sideline like, God bless my mom.

She passed away, but like, like someone passed away in my family, dude.

dude, I was there.

I kept my helmet on so the fans, so I could, so no one could see my face.

Cause I was now, now I was, now don't feel bad because I was already checked out.

I wanted, I was done playing.

It was a, it was a moment where I was, I was embarrassed.

I, I didn't cry.

I was so embarrassed that that was going to be my last time ever on a football field and I just knew it.

And I also was like, I just want to get home.

I met, that's when I met Josie, Cole.

Like, there was a lot to look forward to.

I'll tell you what, dude, I feel, I feel for him, man, because I was like,

it was, it was just like, because all eyes are on you.

And now, football is a little worse because you got 90,000 people and you're a quarterback, a preseason game.

Everybody's watching.

And I felt, dude, like it was a, it was a lonely couple hour.

And then the next morning, exit meetings, I knew I was like, I was with

Doug Marone was a coach.

And I was like, Doug, all good, man.

Thanks for the opportunity.

Like, you know, whatever.

I was just, I didn't want to show my face, dude i wanted to get the fuck out of there so bro that it's tough man but didn't you say at one point i feel like you said months ago on the pod

that being said you get love whenever you run into like a bills fan even from that crazy moment right i feel like i i i you had a good relationship with the bills fans you said well because that week they did like this whole fan fest thing so like right they were honestly the sad part was they were so fired up that like i was there like yeah like you know gonna revive your career here and i'm like guys like this is like they need an arm pretty much like i i always wonder if i would have went like 10 for 11 with like a touchdown if i would have made the roster but like they had just drafted ej manual ej manual ej manual's a rookie kevin cobb was out with uh concussion so they so they and then they they ended up keeping thaddeus lewis so it was me thaddeus lewis and someone else and thaddeus played a little bit better in that game and he was younger and he ended up actually playing for like he actually ended up backing up there a couple years because EJ struggled and anyway yeah but the but but I've I've I saw firsthand Buffalo like like Bill's mafia how awesome their fans were and they treated me great for the first couple days so that's why I was like I love Buffalo my heart goes out to Ronnie Simon to me it just

Seeing that, you just look at it and immediately, we talked earlier about Little League World Series.

Like he's a little kid in that moment, right?

Like it's the same emotion.

And I remember very young in Little League, we played this one team and their pitcher must have walked 20 guys.

I mean, we, we won like mercy rule, just destroyed this kid.

I remember when we were shaking hands, one kid on our team went, hey, Johnny, good game, like sarcastically.

And Johnny, a freckly kid, just collapsed and bawled.

And his dad came out and hugged him.

And I just remember in that moment saying, in victory or defeat, don't be an asshole.

And I just look at that and I'm like, it's pure.

It's pure.

Even though it's a low moment for him on the field, it's pure because he cares.

So keep your head up, Ronnie Simon.

It's a great thing about sports is the raw emotion for better, for worse.

And I've been on both sides, man.

And it's lonely on the bad side.

It's great on the good side.

But yeah, he'll be fine, man.

He's never gotten emotional when he was younger, like little kid.

Oh my God, dude.

He struck out.

I'll never forget the moment.

He struck out 11, or we were

12, 12-year-old little league here.

Pretty good.

We were were like a handful of wins away from going to San Bernardino and potentially Williamsport.

We had a really good team.

We got all the way to the state.

But in Little League and playoffs, right?

It's a big deal.

It was fun.

Like, you know, you're coaching against these kids, these coaches.

And he struck out to end the game.

And he was one of our best players.

He was going up against good coaches.

It's the bat you wanted in that moment, though.

You wanted that.

Yeah, it was like, we were like down two to one in the last inning runner on second or, you know, like bases loaded, like one of those.

Like he had a hit, probably wins.

You know, it was like that.

You couldn't have scripped it for a better opportunity.

And he he struck out and he started crying, man.

Dugout.

I felt, and I didn't even yell at him.

I was just like, I just fell off before him.

And his boys picked him up and all that.

And I was just like, you know, it was just one of those.

And then, dude, we lost the very last game in football.

I've told you before in the Super Bowl, when they were right after COVID, like they were 13 and we played in SoFi and we were dominant.

Like we won, we were a dynasty in this league for like seven years and we lost the very last game, dude.

I think I might have cried.

Like I talk about losing sleep.

Like

he was devastated because one, his flag football football career was over because he was going to high school the next year.

And two, it's like, you know, you want, you know, you want to go out on top.

And we didn't.

So, yeah, plenty of moments.

Man, Casey had one of those moments

the other day, dude.

Like, we lost the last game.

These kids don't know any better.

They're like, this is the last game.

This is the championship.

I'm like, no, buddy, like, you guys aren't really keeping score in these games.

Right.

And we lost.

And we were really good.

It's the first time we lost all year, technically, because the other coach was super competitive.

And our boys, they were hysterically crying.

I'm like, oh my God, like, it's already starting.

See, I'm still in t-ball with my kids, even though they're six and four.

We haven't graduated.

Dude, it happens, man.

Fast.

I remember crying, but it wasn't on the field.

And this is this shout outs to my mom.

If you want a parenting lesson, my mom's biggest philosophy when I became a father, the biggest advice she gave to me, she just said, follow through with what you say to them.

Oh, God, yes.

Follow through.

They'll never forget.

So my travel baseball team, which we went pretty far one year,

we were basically like a game away from getting to Williamsport.

But a few years before that, we were in like our travel league championship game and I had fucked up at school and the teacher called my house.

Remember, when you, I don't know if you remember this back in the day, young'ins, like, if you messed up at school, the teacher was going to call your house phone at some point.

I used to unplug my house line if I thought the teacher was going to call and rap me out.

But anyway, called my mom, told her how I was acting up.

My mom said, You're not playing in your game this weekend.

I'm like, mom, it's the championship game.

She's like, yeah, right.

You're not playing.

Okay.

I honestly, I didn't believe her.

So Saturday, championship games at one, we used to go have breakfast at my grandmother's.

I put my uniform in my backpack.

She's like, come on, go into grandma's, go have breakfast.

And then I go into the bathroom, come out in my uniform.

She's like, what are you doing?

I'm like, well, we got to get to the field.

The game starts.

She's like, Jerry, you're not playing in the game.

It's the championship.

Matt, I threw myself on the floor.

I might even throw myself down the flat steps.

And I don't think I've hysterically cried like that minus a death in the family since then.

Hysterically.

I almost vomited.

And this lady, Marianne Ferraro, stuck her foot in the ground and said, it is what it is.

I'll tell you what, you probably never fucked up again.

Oh, well, I feel a lot better about unplugging the phone line.

Maybe that's where I came up with that plot, but she punished me before the championship game.

My coaches, my friends, my teammates were like, whoa, your mom is no joke.

That's real testing.

That's real.

That's

real life lesson, man.

Like,

don't test mom and dad, dude.

I just never thought she would follow through.

I packed my uniform.

That's great.

Big league chew.

I was ready to go.

I am guilty of that.

That's great advice from your mom.

Like, that's

great advice.

Well, it's hard to do because you're like,

it is a big,

big time moment for anybody.

It's always like, well, like, let's let him play in the championship because the team needs him and then we'll punish him after.

It's like one of those.

You're like, nope.

Not my single mom.

She was like, watch it.

Hold my beard.

This kid ain't going anywhere.

So anyway, Shaq, keep your head up, man.

It happens to all of us.

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It's interesting.

We talked more baseball than I would have ever imagined today.

Our Colorado Rockies are 10 and 50.

Oh, what a someone put up a very interesting stat.

I think it was either in the last month or the last two months.

Colorado Rockies have three wins and Scotty Scheffler has three wins.

Never

time where a golfer is care.

It's crazy.

What is going on?

How do you even explain that?

I don't know.

I mean, is this major league?

Are they trying to move the team?

Why would you want to leave Colorado?

That's what I'm saying.

Why would you leave Colorado?

Have you ever been on the team?

I've been there.

I've been to that stadium.

Well, have you ever been on a team, though?

I don't think you're probably not.

But even if you go back to like when you were a kid, where you're just like, hey, we, we stink.

Like, it's just not happening.

We're bad.

And I just feel like you can't do that with football because your life is still kind of on the line.

I got to be honest.

I've been on pretty, even like baseball.

I was on good teams.

I was always on a good team.

Well, Arizona, we were 5-11.

We were shit my first year.

And actually, Oakland, we were 5-11 my last year.

So I've been on like a, I've been on like a, not a great team for NFL, you know, but you got, I just feel like with football, you got to still complete or else you could get

you lose like three or four of those games.

We lost by like three points.

So like, yeah, like you're competitive.

Well, my, I obviously don't know what that's like in sports.

I have definitely been a part

of some low-budget independent films where You're on set and you're trying.

So maybe, I don't know, maybe the Rockies are trying,

but you just know, hey, this shit ain't working.

It don't make any sense.

Wouldn't you know, wouldn't you, wouldn't you know that when you read a script?

Or at that point, are you just like, and you're probably going to say this, so maybe I'm answering the question for you.

Are you just like getting a paycheck?

You're just like, hey, yeah, I'll do it.

Honestly, I've never done the paycheck thing because I've never really done like, cause I always get paid the most in television, right?

And television, I've really only done two things.

With movies, it's never like, hey, you want to to do this movie for 2 million bucks?

So, what's the incentive of doing like a low-budget indie?

The incentive is you hope it's good.

And a lot of times, though, what happens with the lower-budget things is the script is good, but it's not enough money in the project to execute the vision.

Yep.

Or in like this one case, and I guess if you look at my IMDB, you could figure it out.

Similar, it wasn't like super low-budget, but it was low enough.

And it was a movie set in New York that we shot in New Orleans.

Don't tell me the name.

Keep talking.

I'm listening to you.

It's a movie, you know.

So, right away, you're going into it.

Like, this is supposed to be like

a New York gritty crime story, and we're shooting it in New Orleans, which I love New Orleans.

It does not mirror.

It's probably called Club Life.

That we actually show, we actually shot.

No, Club Life was in New York.

Club Life was in the shoes.

White 7500.

No, that was a movie where Nat had a good budget.

It was a horror movie on a plane.

well, the name's not even on your IMDB, dude.

Is there a movie?

All right, well, I'll call it a movie called

hold on.

Oh, here we go, I got more dating in New York.

Nope, that was great, that was a low-budget movie.

Yeah, we have a winner

Empire State, but look at the podcast, yeah.

Have you ever seen it?

Have you ever heard of it?

Can you name the last rock movie you haven't heard of?

It's like the only one, I think it's the only rock movie.

Bro, Liam Hemsworth, Emma Roberts, yes,

Jerry Ferrari, Nikki Reed.

It never came out.

Wait, it never came out?

It never came out.

I mean, I don't, it never came out in theaters, I don't think.

And again, it wasn't that it was like.

That was only 10, 12 years ago.

It just

was a mega star still.

We were shooting that in New Orleans.

I somehow get shit.

My character gets like shot in the head, but I live and I'm like in the next scene.

There was just things that weren't working.

And who directed that?

Just everyone, just go look it up.

Good director.

Good director.

It wasn't, and I'm going to say necessarily.

It wasn't our boy, was it?

No, no, no, no, no.

You talk about Pete?

Oh, I got him.

I won't say the name.

No.

But anyway,

I guess this is why I have a hard time believing that the Rockies aren't necessarily trying because I think they are.

I don't think they're trying, dude.

Well, with that movie, we were all trying because similar to baseball, like it's on, there's a record of it forever.

But yeah, man.

How are you 10 and 50 and trying in baseball, dude?

In a stadium, too, where you could hit home runs a little easier.

I went to a Dodger Rockies game in Colorado.

It worked out.

Actually, when we were for Big Noon, we were in Colorado and the boys and Josie came.

It was cool.

It was a fun weekend.

And dude, there's like 5,000 people.

And this was two years ago.

I was like, and the stadium is pretty cool.

Like, it was like, it's just, it was cool to be there.

And it was just like, wow, this isn't big.

Even Jesse.

You ready for full circle?

What's the bananas guy's name?

The kind of founder?

What's his name?

Jesse Cole, I believe.

I call Jesse Cole and I make him the GM of the Rockies.

Come in.

Come in.

If we're going to go 10 and 50, at least make this exciting.

At least make this fun.

At least make this an entertaining product.

That's what I do.

Dude,

he could bring a lot of entertainment to the MLB.

That's for sure.

We're going to get you out of here because you have an insane next 72 hours between hosting shows and then going.

So my last thing I'm going to leave you with is.

If you get a hole in one, there's zero chance.

Everyone has a chance.

You could hit a worm burner.

You could hit a ground ball ball that goes in.

It's always in play for anyone, regardless of handicaps.

Legendary stuff.

You would live on in the golf, YouTube, content creation.

You will be a king, a king.

What we told Justin Tommy, give me something.

What do you need me?

If we win, what do you want me to say?

By the way,

if I hit a putt, because with Scramble, right, I can like...

I'm liable to make a putt for sure.

Oh, for sure.

For sure.

If I make a put outside of 10 feet, I will give the biggest fist pump of all time.

I'm just feeling.

I'm a fist pump guy.

But if we win, what do you need?

Like with Justin,

what was the phrase?

We said you saved it for the close-up.

That's what we told Justin Thomas to save it for that.

If we win, I'm just going to tell Gary, hey, we just saved that for the close-up.

You're like this, hey, wait, is this my shot?

And they're going to say, yes.

Shout out to throwbacks.

I was saving it for the close-up.

Done.

If we win.

All right, good.

I don't think we're going to.

So right now, as we end, you could go on YouTube and and find Matt's round right now.

Go find that shit.

Who knows?

Could be a hole in one or any.

Thanks to everybody who listened today.

We'll be back next week.

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