Jayden Daniels’ Rise, Josh Allen’s Time, NFL Rule Changes & Patrick Renna’s Sandlot Memories!

It was only until I got older that I started to live the weird Hollywood audition life, but I'm a huge entourage fan and I auditioned for Turtle. Did you know that? Oh no, I did not know that.
Oh, damn, you would have been a good turtle. All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks.
My co-host, Matt Linus, laughing at me right now. I wish people could just see your face right now.
Actually, they can. Well, really quick.
What's going on, buddy? We meet every week about this show where we have, I guess this is like the realization that I'm just an old ass man. I cannot keep up with the group chat and the emails and everything that comes in.
We were going to record starting a few moments ago. I was late.
You texted me like, where are you? I was upstairs preparing lunch for myself because I haven't eaten all day, not realizing we were supposed to start 10 minutes ago because I missed the text that you did send. And then you come on just fuming right now.
Fuming. I just feel it.
Fuming. What else is going on, dude? Do you need a hug? You know me, man.
I'm your number one therapist. All right.
I'm going to tell you what's going on, and then we got to tell the audience something else that's going on. My kids are home from school because it's too cold outside.
I grew up in New York City. Never did they cancel school because it's too cold outside.
We just, we're just, we just, people are soft. Get me out of here, man.
So anyway, my lovely kids have been home since like Thursday of last week. Cause in Cleveland, it's too cold outside.
Never heard of that. The greatest, the greatest day on the calendar is the day the kids go back to school.
Well, listen. It really is.
All kidding aside, though, there is a good update that I have been paying much attention to and has taken a lot of my focus and your focus because, Matt, we're going to the Super Bowl, baby. Dude.
We're going. We're going.
Throwback show is going to the Super Bowl. Are we just spilling the tea?

We're spilling the tea right now.

I think we're spilling the tea right now.

We are going to be doing a live show.

It's like a combination episode, combination.

We're just live from the red carpet at not just any party,

the party of Super Bowl week and weekend, the Fanatics party.

Fanatics, red carpet, A-list everywhere,

athletes, entertainers, music, actors.

Obviously, shout out to Michael Rubin

who allowed us to be on there.

It's going to be exciting, man.

I go to the Super Bowl every year for the most part, right?

Just either have appearances or stuff

or just go as a casual fan and hang out with friends. It's a fun weekend, obviously.
If you haven't gone, it's an incredible weekend, but to be able to do this, right? We just launched a show three, four months ago. And now to have the opportunity to go on the red carpet and just do our thing together for throwbacks, meeting all the cool people, shooting the shit, like it's going to be an experience.
I'm super pumped. And dude, I can't, can't come soon enough.
So everything you need to know, we're going to be live from the fanatics red carpet. We're going to be live on our YouTube channel, throwback show, as well as our Twitter X account, Instagram, Facebook, everything is at throwback show.
So if you're subscribed and following any of those platforms, you'll be able to watch. So we're basically going to be like your guides, your Sherpas to the best party of the week, weekend.
And also, we get to then go in the party after we do our work and do our show. Which, by the way, is pretty damn cool.
Can't say we'll be live, but we'll definitely bring you some videos and we'll be posting some stuff from inside the party because your boys are going to need a drink after this, right? Yeah. Saturday, February 8th, 3.30 PM Eastern.
I think we go live, right? 2.30, we go live. Central time, 12.30 Pacific, depending where you're at.
And again, like Jerry, like you said, I think it's just going to be fun, man. I'm excited.
I would say I'm excited to see so-, you know, we don't know yet who's coming, but if you just look at pictures of past parties, it's going to be pretty fun. Yeah.
And my goal is like, I don't want to do the, who's going to win the big game. I mean, I'm sure we're going to keep like, yeah, give me a, give me a, give me a, well, depending on who we get, like, give me a prediction.
What's the over under of how many times if we, if we talk to 50 people, what's the over under of one of us, probably me going, so who do you like this weekend? Is the over 10 and a half? Yeah, we'll set that number for sure. 10 and a half.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, that's exciting, man. Um, yeah.
And then we're going to, we're going to be, we're going to be together. We'll do some stuff throughout the weekend.
We're going to have a lot of opportunity to do some content and just, and just, uh, hang out. And again, it's just a fun weekend.
So we're excited to be kind of the voice, the ears, all that for the fans of the red carpet for Fanatics. And it will be cool to be there with you.
I've gone to the Super Bowl a bunch of times and I have been treated well in the past. But it's just got to be different when you're at the Super Bowl and you're an athlete, someone who played the actual sport walking around.
It's just got to be a little easier. I think it's very similar to you going to, we talk about the Golden Globes a lot, right? One of the award shows.
An award show. And no matter, like for me, I'm old.
I've been retired for 10 years. A lot of these kids were like, a lot of these players now weren't in the league when I was playing.
Very few crossovers when I played with like Aaron Rodgers. I mean, only a couple guys back in the day, but it is, it is, it is a small community when you think about it.
And so when I go there, you just, you just reconnect with a lot of people that you played with. You reconnect with younger guys, coaches, all that.
And it's always like, it always, it's always good. Cause it's like, man, like I still, I don't really think of myself as a football player anymore, you know, cause it's just so far removed.
But when you get back in that environment and you see so many people that you know, or you cross paths with over the last 20 years, like it just makes you, you know, it's like, this is cool, man. Like this is a great fraternity to be a part of.
You just reminded me of a fun story that I'm going to tell in one second, but also coming up on the show in a little while, this is a fun one for Matt and I, because we're, we're nineties kids. I'm a little older than Matt, but we came up watching the same movies.
We got Patrick Renna joining us a little later. For those of you who don't know him by Patrick Renna, I hate to do this as someone who's called by a character name over and over again, but he played Hamilton, Ham, Porter in the Sandlot, which I think is our all-time favorite like sports, kids sports movie, right? That's up there for me.
Did we do that for throwback? It's probably my number one sports movie of all time. Yes, and he's got a book coming out.
Not just kids, but sports movie. He's got kids himself too.
I think he coaches, so we're going to get into all Sandlot stuff, but then we're just going to, he's just a funny dude. Can't wait to talk to him.
We're even going to do our throwback three with him, which our throwback three is going to be in honor of him. Those nineties kids movies.
Who are our throwback three favorite characters? I'm going to, I think we have to relieve him. We have to take the Sandlot off the table, I think.
Don't we?

I may have a special Sandlot character because I just want to get his reaction

to why I'm going to say my character.

So my first quick Super Bowl story,

the first Super Bowl I ever went to was Packers-Steelers,

Aaron Rodgers' lone Super Bowl win in Dallas.

Now, if you remember, it snowed,ed and hadn't snowed in Dallas in years and they were not prepared for the snow so it was kind of a mess I was shooting stuff with Max Greenfield for this direct tv show and this girl I was dating not Bree sorry this is 2010 uh it was going well she was at the too. Took a left turn.
Things didn't go so well at the Super Bowl. Realized that she wasn't Mrs.
Ferrara. We kind of ended there at the Super Bowl.
And then Sunday morning, my flight wasn't until like 4 o'clock, so I was going to miss the game. So I ran into some friends, one of which happens to own a jet company.
And I said, is there anybody on earth leaving Dallas, going back to LA Sunday morning? I mean, I'll pay a little. I really don't want to go for 40 grand to fly home.
There's no flights home. So you're the, you're the guy that says I'll pay a little knowing that they're not going to take like a couple grand.
Right. But there's no coach flights.
Spirit wasn't around. There's zero flights back to LA.
So I took a shot. If I had to wait for my flight, I'd wait.
I took a shot. Everyone in the Super Bowl is selling something.
So I get a call saying, yeah, someone's going home at like nine o'clock in the morning Sunday. He's cool.
He's the only one on the plane. It's his plane.
He's alone. He said, I'll fly you back.
I show up to the airport now. They don't tell me who i'm like who the whose fucking plane is this gonna be this could be anybody i walk on the plane david spade me and david spade just the two of us by the way coolest dude ever we talked for like two hours back to la i was back on my couch for the national anthem and i never saw that girl again.
I mean, it was destined by the way. There's nothing better.
I every I've only been to one Superbowl as a fan. It was 07, 06 or 07.
It was in Arizona because I was in Arizona. So I hosted a lot of stuff and it actually, it was, sorry, it was the one where theants beat the Patriots.
Oh, that's a good one.

I missed that one.

So I was at that one in a suite.

It's the only Super Bowl that I've stayed for since then.

I've probably been from 07 to 24.

I've probably been to 12 a week.

I usually go fairly every year.

I always come back and lay on my couch for the game.

What was the most fun though?

You've had like,

what city provided you the most fun at a Superbowl?

Oh,

Miami,

dude,

Miami.

Oh,

of course.

Of course.

Miami,

the,

the Superbowl Miami,

it was,

uh,

Oh six.

It was,

it was my Monday night football game.

It was,

it was,

it was bears Colts in the rain.

Oh,

is that the Rex Grossman led him to the Superbowl?

Right.

Uh,

that was the year that we played them on Monday Night Football. Peyton Manning's first win.
Yeah. And I remember I was at, gosh, what's the mansion there? It was like the famous designer's mansion that had parties there.
Versace. Versace.
The Versace mansion. I was there with, I remember Fergie.
I was hanging out with Fergie. Very good.
She didn't sing the National Anthem, did she? I think Scarlett Johansson. ScarJo! She'd probably remember me.
Oh, I hope she's at the red carpet. Do you remember, Matt? Shout out to Pantera Sarah.
You remember Pantera Sarah? Of course. I mean, who does? If you lived in LA.
Yeah, so Panteraera was out there. Yeah, I remember, I think Andy Roddick.
I mean, I'm just name dropping right now, but I'm just, it was just like one of those years. It was just all time.
Like it was like, I was 24 years old in Miami after my rookie year. It was pretty epic.
But yeah, I mean, I've had, there's a lot of great Superbowl stories. Shit, I had a blast at Vegas last year.
Last year, I was there too. Eight days removed from hip surgery.
Some might say the birth of throwbacks, shout out Eric Wells and Alex Gleitman, the birth of throwbacks happened in Vegas at that Super Bowl. My first conversation with Sinclair.
I was going to say, because I had nothing to do with that. It was dinner in the Aria Super Bowl week last year.
So that was the birth of throwbacks. All right.
Well, speaking of the birth of, you know, talking about the birth of throwbacks at the Super Bowl, how about the birth of Jaden Daniels, Jerry? Like, is it the greatest? I'm like, I'm still, I can't say that it's weird because I've been thinking about this a lot. It's like, you know, because there's so much.
Caleb Williams went one. Daniels went two.
This quarterback class, right? It was like the six first-rounders. Bo Nix was fantastic this year.
I think Michael Penix is going to be great. Like, when it's all said and done, it might be the greatest quarterback class ever, right? If some of these guys start to win playoff games, Super Bowls.
What is it about Jaden Daniels? I just think he's the best rookie quarterback we've ever seen. And Andrew Luck had a great rookie year.
Ben Roethlisberger had a great rookie year. RG3 had a great...
There's some guys that have been able to take their team to the place. The maturity and what he's been able to do in one year from the commanders winning, what, four games last year, new coach, GM,

like everything new on that team.

And for him to do this and put this team in this position,

and I think have a real shot of beating the Eagles this weekend.

Real shot.

Absolutely.

It's wild to me how great he has been this year.

Here's my opinion on it.

I think it's so great. It's not even shocking at this point.
It's expected. Right.
It's one thing if a guy plays well and then gets really, really hot. That's not what this is.
He's been playing this way most of the year. He got a little injury setback, and then once he kind of got past that, right back to form it's the poise it's the confidence when you and you know that's why i almost want to ask you like go back to your rookie year like this dude just it doesn't feel like he's a rookie i feel like he's been in my life for five years already you know and i'm not surprised by what he's doing even though i should be because this does not happen often and he just controls the game almost like a great point guard even in the nba the tempo the pace just when you think all right third and seven huge play this moment might be too big for him he wiggles out of the pocket it just it just looks so easy and we know it's not and you know it's not you played the game so that's what to me.
I don't feel like he's – I feel like I've been watching this dude for five years already. I saw he came out and talked about the VR training, like the virtual reality.
I don't know if you saw that. Buy that stock.
If you could buy VR quarterback training stock, because everyone's going to copy that. Yeah, there's quarterbacks that have done that.
That's been around for a little bit of time now. Not a long time, but a little bit of time.
And I think Stanford- Yes, I remember reading about it. I think it was back in Stanford did that.
And I was always a visual learner. Like I would take my notes and you kind of study, you memorize the plays and whatever, and you go through them in your head.
But like, I was just visual. I had to see it in practice.
I had to see it in a film, whatever. And like, he spends hours and hours on VR.
And it actually makes a lot of sense because I was reading something where Kingsbury is like in his voice notes and gives him the play in the VR. So it's actually his recorded voice.
So like when you go through that. Simulating it.
And you're a simulator, right? You go through that. And I don't know if you ever done i put on vr glasses yeah and it is like it's incredible now but but in a football thing like it is literally like your d tackles right here you're like you're seeing it like it's a real game and then boom it they're reacting on the snap like it's like they're getting into their defensive coverages and i was like holy shit like that is unbelievable and if you can master that that enough, then then when you do in game day and you're just reacting, right, football is all about reacting, right? Pre-snap kind of having an understanding where you want to go with the football.
And then you have the two or three seconds to react. He's doing it as good as anybody in football.
He has all the time in the world. And it's unbelievable.
Like I was thinking about Josh Allen, Lamar, obviously Mahomes, and Mahomes statistically didn't have a great year, but look where he's at again. And Joe Burrow.
Jaden Daniels is a top five quarterback in the league right now. And that's not far-fetched, but like he's above Herbert to me.
He's above a lot of these guys that like we see talent and all that. He's going to be, I don't know.
And he's doing it without, I think an A-list supporting cast. I mean, if you really think about it, we've talked about that last week.
We talked about that with Shady. Like who does Josh Allen have, right? Who does Lamar have? Who'd like some of these guys have, like who does Jaden Daniels? It's not a shot.
It's just like, you know, like they're going to start to get dudes because dudes are going to be like like i want to go play with that quarterback and have a chance to win a super bowl and he's been incredible i'm excited this weekend i mean philly's tough that's obviously a tough matchup tough pace to play in a great defense but telling you man you got to score 35 points to beat them it's the ultimate test because we know how hostile philly's gonna be yeah uh we know now who knows what the weather's gonna be to me the whole weekend just is just summed up with two teams played really really well in those conditions like the eagles played really well and the bills played really well in those conditions those might be similar conditions we don't know uh it's it's the ultimate test but i again i'm not trying to bring it back to the Giants here, but this is a normal chain reaction that I followed going through my Jaden Daniels experience. I remember you, and we'll talk about really quick, like hard knocks.
Literally, Shane's kid was telling him, trade up and draft Jaden Daniels. And I'm sure he tried, by the way.
I'm sure he tried. It wasn't going to happen.
But Tommy DeVito two years ago, and I love Tommy DeVito. Great story.
Won a very, very pointless game for the Giants. Not pointless for him.
Not pointless for the players. For the organization and the fans, it was a pointless win.
For Tommy DeVito and the players playing for contracts and just pride, very meaningful game. Of course.
And it drops the Giants out of the two slot into whatever they were. I would like to avoid this.
Meaning, look at this year. We got the Titans, got the Raiders, Giants, Patriots, who else? Browns, right? Those are our five poo-poo teams.
Do you think one of those teams deserves the number one overall pick more than the other? If the Titans and the Giants played on a neutral field 10 times, do we think it's not five and five? Maybe one team gets the six and four. You're in your hypotheticals.
What I'm saying all that to say is why can't the NFL? The worst team in the NFL gets the number one pick. I get it.
There's five really, really bad teams that all are worthy of that award. The tie-break system is crazy of how they determine.
It's layered, yeah, for sure. It's layered with, oh, strength of schedule.
Why not adopt the one thing that the NBA maybe does better than football, the lottery system. Why not? Why not take those five teams? So you're saying take the, because in the lottery in the NBA, it's what, 10, 12? Yes, but yes, it's 10, 12, but really it's heavily weighted for three teams, five teams to be in the top three.
So you want to do a lottery for the top three? Yes. The five worst teams in the NFL who get to pick the top five, you want to do a lottery based on that.
For the number one overall pick, yes, because I don't see a difference in the Giants, the Raiders, the Titans, the Browns. I don't see a difference.
And you see now how quickly you could turn a franchise around and nba did it for what to avoid tank oh jacksonville nba did it to avoid tanking right andrew gunlings philadelphia 76ers won what 12 games and got to get the number one pick we saw it with wemby right you couldn't just straight but you can't but you can't compare you can't compare the number one picks in the nba to the number one picks in the nfl and there's only been one or two it's close now jayden daniels and wemby wemby has a much brighter future because it's not close look at the look at what this number one number one picks in the nfl are far less impactful than the number one picks in the nba far less over with the importance of quarterback now yes quarterback being the most important position number one most most number one quarterback picks don't pan out right but when you get that one that does okay but but i'm saying yeah one every like think about it like we i mean think about that like who are the number like i mean obviously baker was a number but just like it just doesn't happen that often whereas in the nba it's a lot easier you get Wemby you get LeBron you get you know it was Anthony Edwards number one you get like guys that literally because NBA is a lot different you have five guys there's been some NBA whiffs at oh of course but I would I would I would I would die on a hill and bet more money that more number one draft picks in the NBA have had a more significant impact for their franchise quicker than number one draft picks for the nfl i just think that if the nfl had a lottery system it would take away this bizarre debate we're starting to get into when we get into week 15 16 17 and 18 of like this team's going nowhere why do they need to win this like i get the player aspect the players should not not give a shit about the org and their draft pick. Why would they? But it does matter to the organization.
Like, all right, we won three games instead of two. And it's only because this team rested every one of their players.
The Bills sent out a second string unit. And the Patriots won a game and they lost the number one overall pick.
The Bills didn't try to win the game I think I mean yeah but now but now you're being so specific with one week a year that's like okay that just so happened that that this like the Kansas City Chiefs like think about the content of a lottery the Kansas City Chiefs benched their starters the Broncos beat them right and if the Broncos were to lose that game that was the Bengals were getting like everything was on that was the Bengals were getting, like everything was on the line. The Bengals are sitting there like, shit.
I'm just saying like that happens. Yes, it happens.
It happens in all sports. But like tanking is not a thing in the NFL.
It's too hard to do. There's too much that's on the line.
I don't mind it. How fun would it be though? It would be fun.
It would be fun. I don't mind it.
I just don't think it has the same type of impact in the NFL that it does in the NBA. It just doesn't in my opinion.
I'll hear you on that. I guess I really just, this is just more sour grapes of, wow, I wish the Giants had the two pick and took Jane Daniels.
And similarly this year, I'm glad the players beat the Colts out of pride, but I wish we were getting... The last four number one picks to go, Trevor Lawrence, Trayvon Walker.
You don't even know what team he probably plays on. The Jacksonville Jaguars.
Bryce Young and Caleb Williams. Obviously, Caleb's a rookie and had a pretty good year.
Trevor Lawrence, I mean, he's been paid, but we can argue that. Right, but this even goes for the number two and three pick as well.
That's what I'm saying. It's not just number one.
It's number two, Jaden Daniels, number three, Drake May. I will say this year, this year.
Stroud, Stroud was going to the, you know, by the way, Stroud also rookie years, had a fantastic rookie year last year. I would say like this year and more than ever, I don't think people, I would say people care to be the number one pick in the draft.
This is, it's not a, like you have a couple, it's not last year. You have Shador Sanders, you have a Cam Ward, are your quarterbacks who, you know, like, I just think this year people are going to, to, to stretch to get a player.
Whereas last year you had, you know, I i mean god i didn't even mention jj mccarthy obviously you had four or five guys that just had like first round grades and like like these are can't miss players this year it'll be different so that's why i don't think the giants like giants are picking three uh like you have you have four like travis you have other guys and you might one of those q QBs might fall to three. You just never know, dude.
But I just think it would be awesome. NFL, Roger Goodell does not listen to this podcast.
You know, that's a fun money-making idea. You know, it is.
Again, you're speaking from a fan. Imagine doing it at halftime of this weekend's games, like coming up at halftime of the Bills Chiefs.
We're going to do the NFLfl lottery everyone right now listening to the show is like wow that would be fucking you know how they bring like they'll bring like a former player coach like in the lottery room maybe the same thing maybe they'll bring you for the arizona cardinals matt sitting in for the lottery you could be their good luck charm bro you could be their good luck charm then you That would be funny. Anyway, that's how I thought of Jaden Daniels.
I would be the last on that list. The point of this whole thing is, God, it would be fun to have Jaden Daniels on my favorite team.
He's awesome. Congrats.
I mean, and I really do give them a really, really good chance. I do too.
None of the teams you ever played for participated in hard knocks, right? No. No.
Well, you're probably better off because the other thing that jumped out to me watching Saquon slap his helmet while he's running for touchdowns in the snow. And apparently Shady McCoy tweeted, called Saquon, gave him the blueprint to running in the snow in Philly, even though Saquon was playing.
Get your cleats right. Get your cleats right.
We're done with this hard knocks front office thing. No team's ever going to do that ever again, right? After watching the drama with Joe Shane and Jaden Daniels and J.J.
McCarthy and then Saquon, like no team, it's the worst idea of all time, right? I mean, some, yeah, like when I was playing, I was on teams that were like, absolutely not, hell no. How would you feel about it as a player? If you're like, oh, Matt, we're going to be, cameras are going to be everywhere now too in addition to all the other shit.
I mean, gosh, if I could put myself back in that, like I think exposure for your organization sometimes, I think it does. I think I personally, and I'm sure you feel the same as a fan, I love that stuff.
I enjoy watching. I love it.
I think it's great. Because I also like, I love people getting a chance to see what we actually go through on a day-to-day basis.
The grind, like the mental toll, the good, the bad, all of that stuff. I think it's awesome.
I think it's really cool to see. But to your point, it's like, I don't think any team really in the NFL, like puts their hand up and says, Hey, we'll be the, we'll be the team.
Like we want now some do, like if you're a new coach and like, shit, I want people to see this. Like I believe in myself.
Like we're up at like, like it does have its benefits, but, but yeah, I mean, but, but again, we like, imagine if Saquon just didn't have the year he had then, you know know, we wouldn't be talking about that moment. But God, that moment just sticks out with your kids.
So for me, as much as I enjoyed watching that, and I love front office stuff, and I like to pretend to be a GM, it's just what Biggie said in the 10 crack commandments. Never let them know your next move.
Even though the moves already happen. That's why I love Leon Rose with the Knicks.
Everyone's so mad. Leon Rose doesn't do interviews, doesn't do press, doesn't talk.
The fans feel some kind of, let us know the plan. No, no, no.
You'll know the plan when, when I tell you the plan. Yeah.
Fun show, but I think we could say RIP to Hard Knocks front office. I can't imagine another team doing that.
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Eastern in a little place we call Kansas City. Bill's Chiefs, as much as Lamar, Raven's Chiefs would have been a lot of fun too.
To me, this feels like the way it was going. It would have been great, Bills Chiefs as well.
I mean, Ravens Chiefs as well. But I don't know.
I just feel like these two teams have been circling each other all year long. It's every year.
Fourth meeting. I feel like this is Josh Allen's time.
It just feels. Like, I don't know if he loses again, because remember, I think the last time they lost, right? That was the last time he marched him down.
And then the bills defense couldn't stop my homes. Was that the last time they matched up? Yeah.
So 2020, terrific 2020 AFC championship game chiefs, 38, 24. So they had it handily 2021 AFC divisional.
Chiefs 42, Bills 36 OT. That's the 13 seconds game.
That's the one that stands. Josh Allen's balled and his defense was absolutely terrible.
And then 2023 divisional round, Tyler Bass had a field goal to tie it and missed it with a buck 43 left. Game over.
I just think this is like josh allen has to win like i think like for your own psyche confidence as a team and they're they've been arguably the best team in football this year outside of the lions obviously and um i don't know man like but it's just something about we talked about last week something about going on the road to Kansas City. And you saw Kansas City last week.
It's like, okay, well, Travis Kelsey shows up in the playoffs. Mahomes shows up in the playoffs.
Andy Reid is a Hall of Fame coach. Spagnuolo is a Hall of Fame D coordinator.
Spagnuolo is outstanding. Jones is an absolute monster up front.
Their Chiefs defense is nice this year. I don't know.
I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm rooting for Josh Allen and the Bills just to get to the bowl for him to win one because I like Josh Allen.
But I'm telling you what, man, it is just something about playing up in Kansas City on the road in the playoffs. Well, also, you know, if for some reason, we all pretty much knew the Chiefs were probably going to handle business against the Texans and I know everybody's up in arms with the way Mahomes is officiating.
I'm curious to just hear any thoughts you have on that too. I don't really see I mean, I see it.
You don't see it? I do a little, but like this is going on. I mean, Troy Aikman even called him out during the game, which I thought was great.
And we're going to, we're going to talk about maybe Troy in a minute too, when we do our dynamic duos for Wendy's. But what I was going to say though, is Allen needs my homes in this moment.
If you know, he, I'm sure he'd be thrilled to make the Superbowl, no matter what, beat the Texans, beat whoever. Of course, I'm just talking about, I would have already heard the conversations if for some reason the Texans would have upset the Chiefs and then the Bills host Houston and beat, ah, well, he didn't beat Mahomes.
So that's what we do. We poke holes.
I don't always do that, but a lot of people do. So to me, this was the way it always has to end.
This is- You look at the run, he might be the MVP. We'll find out.
He's going to be damn close if he doesn't win it. Look at his path.
I mean, he plays, he beats Lamar Jackson, who may win the MVP. And then you beat Patty Mahomes.
And then Jaden Daniels, the best quarterback in the NFL. Then we'll see in the Super Bowl.
But, yeah, I mean, this is, I think as a competitor and as a team, like, sure, and easy, you play who's in front of you. Your path is your path.
But, like, to be able to beat those guys on this path will only add to the Hall of Fame career of Josh Allen that he's already built. Like, it's...
I'm fired up for this game. Like, this is a game that I will be...
I will be one week away from... You know, a week away from having a third baby.
Oh, gosh. A fourth kid.
I will be fucking laid up on that couch watching this game. And I will tell my wife, babe, the kids, they can sleep right.
They can sit right next to me and watch football with daddy because I'm not moving. Like I don't get fired up for a lot of NFL games.
This one I'm fired up for. This one I'm fired.
I'm excited to watch. I'm not even going to ask you Super Bowl picks,

but what would be the most fun matchup?

Not even saying who should be there, X's and O's.

Take narratives in play.

And styles, what do you think would be the most entertaining?

I think fun.

I mean, I think Jaden Daniels by far.

Daniels versus Allen?

That's my pick for most fun, entertaining Super Bowl.

I think fun, entertainment, storyline, rookie, stud, Dan Quinn, great coach, likable. Like, you know, they don't have a lot of stars on that team.
Jaden Daniels is a star. So I think he's electrifying to watch.
You can make the same for Eagles with Saquon Barkley. He's electrifying.
Like they, you know, they have probably more stars on the team with AJ Brown, Jalen Hurts. I think story of the commanders getting to the Super Bowl is pretty awesome.
And then, yeah, I just think Josh Allen. I think that Josh Allen is a star.
The Bills have been close for years, and I think they're due, you know, and they have a fun team to watch too. And Josh Allen is just a – I mean, you're a diehard Giants fan, but you're an NFL fan.
Oh, I love to watch good football. Those are probably the two most fun, two quarterbacks that you just like to sit back and like have a bag of popcorn.
Like these two dudes are just like, this is who I want to watch play a football game. Because they're a little, Josh Allen's a little more reckless, a little more backyard football.
He kind of runs around, makes plays. Jayden Daniels is so polished for a rookie, but he's electric when he runs like a Lamar Jackson.
We'll probably end up getting an Eagles Chiefs, but you know. Right.
Well, I got two things for you too. I was trolling my nephew the whole game because you know he was the biggest Josh Allen.
I think he's the biggest Josh Allen stand of all time. And that would have been my only fun thing if the Ravens would have won.
I would have just annihilated him uh we played each game on madden and it played out exactly this way i was the favorite in every game so i built with the eagles and then he beat well he it played out to be bill's commanders we did not play that game yet but the this past weekend this round it we're four for four and i bet it all four ways that the so i'm guessing i'm guessing if it's a bill's commander so it's bill's commanders according to our bills he gets oh we're gonna play that probably tonight maybe we'll stream it he of course yeah he's gonna smoke me with the bills uh but yeah and then remember justin kroll who we had on a few weeks ago said he had bank account, a separate bank account with Super Bowl money? I have not texted him yet because I'm giving him a week. I'm giving him a full week before I text him.
I got a couple people in my circle of friends, a close friend. She's a diehard from Detroit Lions like through and through, lived through the pain.
And it was just, they lost it. I immediately thought of her.
And I was just like, I think I just texted her, how we doing? I didn't even text Crowley. I'm going to text him this weekend.
Whatever she said back, I was like, I literally felt, I felt her pain. I was like, I feel it.
Cause it was like, you only get so many opportunities, man. So you know, what stood out to me with that lions game? I wanted to ask you about this too.
Again, I, I just did a whole rant about the NFL having a lottery. Maybe I'm dumb.
I don't love that the prestigious OC and DC of a team can take these interviews while their team is on a playoff run. I don't think it's fair.
Why? Because you're the Patriots that you are shittier than everybody else. You get to hire your coach.
Like I'm sure the lions are not interviewing replacements or maybe they are for Ben Johnson and for Aaron Glenn current, like last week before the game, knowing those guys are going to leave. I'm not saying it affects the outcome of the game in any way, but can we not make a league wide rule? Like, hey, the day after the Super Bowl, everyone can talk to everyone.
What gets hurt by that? I texted our boy, Peter Schrager. What did Schrager say? So he said they can do it after the playoffs.
They just wait until the divisional round, because then they do it in person. And the problem is, and this is where you don't, the NFL combine is literally like a week and a half after the Superbowl.
Okay. Maybe in Indy.
So we were talking this week. So like you're like, it's year round, dude.
So like the minute the Superbowl is over and say say ben johnson's coaching in the super bowl and he and he's he's he probably lined up that interview he probably knows he's going to get that job they won't announce it till after the super bowl he's still coaching the next day he's in chicago he's already gearing up for the combine and and scouting it's just like you just don't have time dude so i understand but if the Lions win, Ben Johnson's not taking a job. Like, if the Lions go to the Super Bowl, the Lions, Chicago has to wait.
But, yeah, but they will, but I will say this, they will already have done all their interviews and they will know that probably they will hire Ben Johnson the day after the Super Bowl. So they will already know that answer before it's done.

And do you think there's even 1%?

If it's like a, hey, Ben's like, all right, I'm in.

We can't announce it yet.

Bears are like, all right, it's done.

Is there a world where I'm accusing Ben Johnson as any coach?

Are they like texting like, oh, here's who I really love.

Let's tell the scouts to start looking at blah, blah, blah

before it's inked?

Because I don't see.

I know.

I don't see. I just don't understand why.
dude you're you're pretty you're no dude you're like these are professionals you are locked and loaded to win a super bowl i i get it that's that's why i'm like for the spirit of the game if it were my team i would just be a little bit annoyed that like because the whole broadcast too they're talking about these guys aren't going to be here next year and then we're seeing like ben johnson throw you know i think it's just more james williams throwing a pass like was he not he was showing off i mean i'm just saying like why do we even have to think that like this guy's not going to be here let him enjoy this run but they but everybody already knows he's not going to be there players included Jared Goff included. Like, these are all right i'm kidding i think the biggest question is just going to be whether you know who they replace i mean well my biggest takeaways erin glenn i think is erin glenn's going the jets is that well i mean that's a possibility by the time this airs it might all be done because we're taping this on a wednesday so i will say this will say this.
I think the Lions are going to be okay. It's a big hire obviously to get those guys.
There's a lot of great candidates. The Lions had arguably the most unlucky run of injuries we have ever seen in the NFL.
It was horrendous. Defensively.
How many starters? They lost year, probably. I mean, they lost by seven or eight starters, I think all year, like, like the whole, like, so they were kind of playing with house money in the playoff.
Playoff is a different beast. You run into a team like the commanders, all of a sudden your defense, like you have to score 40 points to win.
That's tough to do. So it's not a cop out for the lions.
Like it just sucks. But.
But to get to where they're at with all those injuries, the Lions still have a window because I think they have most of their cores back on both sides of the ball. They're not going to go through the same injury bug next year.
It's almost just impossible to do that. So the Lions are going to be around, man.
Dan Campbell's a hell of a coach. He's got that place going.
They're going to be around. They got a good nucleus of

players, but that was just

absolutely heartbreaking. We're going to do dynamic

duos in a second.

So yeah, my big takeaway is if

I had any power, it would be NFL

lottery and coaches

can't do Zoom interviews

or any interviews until the day after

the Super Bowl. I would etch that in stone

and we'd all be better off for it.

You know I'm right. You won't admit it.
You like it.

You might be better off for it. I don't think anyone else really cares.
All right. The lottery, you have some.
The lottery, I kind of understand what you're saying now. But let's do dynamic duos.
Dynamic duos. It's time for dynamic duos presented by Wendy's.
Two faves for just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's.
Terms apply. each week.
Matt and I, you know, we sort of pick a category where we're going to name our dynamic duo, whether it's receivers and football or something with, you know, movies, television this week, I think, cause we've mentioned a few already. I think we're going to do our dynamic duo broadcast teams.
And there's been some of them have been very vocal. Uh, and I think we're going to keep it current.
We're not going to do all time. These are current broadcast duos, any sport.
Matt, who do you got? I mean, mine's just going to be so biased, but I don't care. No, be biased.
It's our show. We can do whatever we want.
Well, I I love college football so I'm going to give my boys Gus Johnson Joel Klatt some love can we get Gus Johnson on the show please Gus would be a great guest I want to do a top 5 Gus Johnson call I want him to hear the call and I want to know what were you thinking no one does it better with like better with like 10 seconds gus has we could get gus on the show gus would be gus you just be prepared to sit back and just let him go for about an hour sounds good to me let the man cook i i love you know there's only a couple voices in college football i think gus and joel do a fantastic job um obviously i'm a little biased there but i love those guys I'll give just a quick kind of honorable mention. I think Richard Jefferson is calling games with Mike Breen now.
Is that right? Because I used to love Breen. Yeah.
I used to love Breen with Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. I enjoyed those calls in the NBA, especially in the playoffs.
Van Gundy's a coach now. I think Breen is dealing with RJ.
So I think RJ took kind of JJ Redick was doing it with Doris Burke and Breen. Now JJ's coaching.
RJ kind of took some of that spot. So, and RJ's my boy.
So as bald as he is and just knowing him how I do, I'm going to give a little shout out to RJ. And Mike B's the best, too.
Mike Breen, you know, he does the Knicks games as well locally. So he's with Clyde Frazier.
But, I mean, Mike Breen has the best sports saying word. Bang! Like, that's – he's made – it's iconic.
He's done it. Yeah, he's great.
You know what? I'm. Burkhart and Brady.
Oh, we're going. He's zagging.
Go ahead. I'm going to say this.
KB is the best of the best. He does our World Series on Fox.
He's filled in for Stone on our show a couple times over the years. KB is a pro's pro.
He's so good. I thought Tom, and I'm not just saying this, I thought Tom got better as the year went on.
I think, and I believe he's calling the Superbowl. Yeah, that is correct.
He's calling the Superbowl. I mean, I should know this.
It's on Fox, but like in year one, which is pretty fucking cool. He had such a good moment with the 12 men on the field.
He was losing his mind. 12 men there's 12 he's giving you enough over and and you always knew like the dude's gonna prep and get better like he just is because that's his nature i think he's given us enough to be like he could be i think he could be really great at this if he if he just sticks with it for as long as he wants to um so i'm gonna shout out tom um and uh and kb and then also greg olson i'm just i'm just throwing in the fox yes and you be yes but and you should be a little biased i mean you should i would be too if you asked me about the favorite best hbo duos i'm gonna say turtle and drama you know i'm not gonna say tony soprano paulie walnuts uh for me well real quick honorable mentions kevin Harlan signing with Amazon for the NBA, Ian Eagle for the NBA.
They're not paired

with any. nuts.
For me, well, real quick, honorable mentions, Kevin Harlan signing with Amazon for the NBA, Ian Eagle for the NBA. They're not paired with anyone yet, but those two are going to be a force.
I love Kevin Harlan, and I got to know his daughter a little bit. Look, and I'm not trying to not be a...
I just love what Aikman and Buck are doing, specifically Aikman in the sense of, I do feel like Nansen Romo got so much early love.

And by the way, what Aikman and Buck are doing, specifically Aikman in the sense of I do feel like

Nansen, Romo got so much

early love. And by the way,

I haven't seen an audience turn

on a broadcaster in a way as quick

as they've turned on Romo. I don't quite get it.

They've turned on him so quickly.

But I feel like Aikman,

maybe it's Brady's involved now,

Romo. I just feel like he's risen

to the challenge and is like, I'm going to say some stuff.

I'm letting it fly.

And Joe Buck has one of the best

Thank you. Maybe it's Brady's involved now, Romo.
I just feel like he's risen to the challenge and is like, I'm going to say some stuff. I'm letting it fly.
And Joe Buck has one of the best voices. Joe's great.
Specifically for baseball. I love him with baseball, but then with football, obviously.
Don't you feel, I mean, I feel like Aikman, I mean, Aikman's Aikman. Like he's one of those, he could say whatever he wants.
I love Calling everyone out. As I've learned, I love that, by the way.

Being in media and being in what I do,

like a studio pregame and analysts, all that,

I've learned a ton, right?

And I listen to people differently now because maybe like if you're watching actors,

you're like, oh, well, I would have maybe done that scene.

You're looking at the art of it.

Like, yeah, I do, I do.

I still can separate and enjoy as a fan,

but I do look at the art of it

And like,

Thank you. watching actors you're like oh i would have i would have maybe done that scene you're looking at the art of it like yeah i i do i do i i still couldn't separate and enjoy as a fan but i do look at the art of it like who i personally like listening to or who i think talks too much or who i just can't stand and can't there's a lot of those dudes um aikman and buck are just they're they're they're just they're they're pros and they're just easy.
Like I love an easy listen, man. I love to sit back.
Again, I played the game, so I don't need to learn a lot because I understand what's going on. So maybe it's different, but like, it's a very easy listen.
I enjoy it. I don't need to turn the volume down.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. And they just been doing it for such a long time.
And, and, and to your point, Aikman, it seems a little more vocal this year. And I don't know if that's just like, he's kind of fuck it.
I don't care anymore. Or it's just, you know, like maybe enough's enough with certain things that he's kind of calling it out because he's one of the few people that can call it out.
Um, and actually have like some credibility. So, great, man.
Although the Brady Burke, I mean, that's going to be an interesting Super Bowl. It will.
And I really, I believe, I think it's going to be a good broadcast. Because either way, there's going to be two good, great quarterbacks, regardless people are down on Jalen hurts i think from that i mean i just brady

flipping out over the 12 men on the field was awesome it was great more of that give me more of that i love it well thank you wendy's that's dynamic duo two faves again just seven bucks gotta be wendy's all right let's bring on the one and only from the sandlot patrick ren. All right, he starred in one of the greatest sports movies, in my opinion, ever made as Hamilton Porter in the Sandlot, and he returned to baseball movies last year with the release of the film, You Gotta Believe, and next month, which is what I'm excited for.
He's got a brand new book coming out. Anyone who writes a book, in my opinion, like, I don't know.
I just don't know how you even write a book, but we'll talk to him about that in a minute. Patrick Rennett, thank you for joining us, buddy.
Appreciate it. Thanks for having me, guys.
Thanks for having me. I was looking at Matt's Heisman back there because our fantasy football is a Heisman guy.
And I was like, I have one of those. But then I went, oh, no, I doubt.
That's a real one. But I mean, now that we're in fantasy, well, one, I actually uh i think jerry and i are going to start a fantasy football league yes here and by the way i mean let's just throw it out there do you want to be our first the first member that we invite founding father let's do it jerry's a jerry's a fantasy football hater he hates it now but i convinced him to come back i'm in like six leagues so I got it.
I'd love to. Let's do it.
See, now this is how you get me to stick around fantasy, Matt. We get Patrick in there.
Now we're talking. That's right.
I might be down on fantasy, but I'm a golf nerd. I'm trying to get Matt to golf, and he's going to be one of those annoying, he just swings a club three times, and he's awesome because he's an athlete.
He't know the struggle but i've seen some stuff on your ig is golf like a new thing for you one of the videos you made was hilarious where you pulled your hamstring and went down and just started busting out with some moves so what's your golf obsession like these days no i golf is actually i've been doing it a long time oh okay i just took a break having kids because like like we were just talking about you guys going to the super bowl after matt has his third but but i my wife like a whole sunday you know with like me off a whole sunday is just not happening not with young kids now they're starting to get older so they can have friend hangs and things like that. So I've been getting back out there, but I did it.
I've been playing for like 20, 30 years or something. Oh, wow.
I'm not good enough. I should be better, but what's your handicap? Well, it got down to about a 12 or 13, but it's definitely, it's not that right now.
That's for sure. So I already think the four, so like we got the three of us, we just did a four.
We're getting, we're getting out there in LA. Do you, we're talking about our kids off the air.
We all have young boys on this podcast. It's interesting.
Are they playing some sports these days? Like what is their sport? Cause it's a tricky thing. My kids five and three, like they play, they love it.
They're not very good, but it's a chance to just run around with their friends. So I've had to tame some of the coaching dad stuff in me.
Where are you at with your kids in sports? Yeah. My oldest plays baseball and I just tell them, you guys, you have to play sports.
You don't have to be great at it, but you just can't be behind an iPad all day. So that's the only thing I know to do.
And, you know, he didn't love baseball for two years, but then he got this great coach and great team, and now all he wants to do is play baseball. So that's cool.
And then my youngest, the four-year-old, just bought a basketball at the toy store, and we've been playing basketball every morning, which, funny enough my my favorite sport like that's the one that i always yeah same here brother same here to watch play um it's probably the only one i'm really halfway decent at i think it's hard like baseball because i grew up a baseball kid a whole baseball family was it was probably my best sport pitching until i got hurt. But I think at this age, we all have, you know, we're all five, three, four.
You have a seven-year-old. You said baseball is really tough for the first couple of years because the game is just, even when you're older, like to watch the game is so slow, I think, for these kids.
Do you coach your other son's basketball team? Well, no, he hasn't started yet. I coached T-ball for my seven-year-old for two years.
But then when they get past T-ball, they actually need real coaches. Right.
Like in T-ball, you're just like, starfish. Okay, point and throw.
Thank you. And then don't run around and kill everyone.
So when it started to get real, I real i stopped jared have talked about this all the time like what type of coach would you be i mean you can only imagine jerry's a new yorker right so he's just like like the the pacing back and forth like i don't really like i coached my 18 year old son who kind of followed in my footsteps he's going to be a quarterback in college which super cool, like proud dad moment. But I only coached him really in baseball and football.
And I've never really been like the yeller and screamer, like, hey, I'm going to put pressure on you. I've always, my dad was like, what type of, I mean, I know T-ball is kind of different, but I was curious just like, what type of- No, it's not, listen.
Are you yelling at these little rugrats? No, no, I don't yell at the kids. I yell at the youngs, though.
I definitely... You're working them.
You're working them. I got some anger management issues that I need to work through on it.
There was one game. I still kind of feel bad about it, but my kid's team was like the Bad News Bears up until halfway, and they finally tied a game.
They tied. That was the best they could do.
And it was the third out kid throws a pitch. The, the other team, he, he whiffs and the ump calls game.
And then the guy in the pitching round goes, no, no, no, he fouled it. And then the ump goes, oh yeah, yeah, he fouled it.
So they gave him another pitch, and then the other team came back and won.

And I was so pissed.

I was, like, kicking dirt.

They went back and listened to the audio.

It's debatable.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I might be right.

I kind of did hear a little thing, so now I feel bad.

But I'm the hated guy in the whole league now because I went for it.

Who cares? I try to tell myself when that moment comes.

First of all, I'll just be happy if the kids like sports.

They don't even have to be that good or anything.

It's just so we have stuff to talk about, right?

I just took them to their first basketball game last, you know, Cavs game.

They really loved it.

But I think I will have more worry about embarrassing them than actually being like a good coach.

So that would be top priority for me as coaching is like, don't embarrass your kids. Cause they'll probably remember that forever.
For sure. For sure.
I mean, uh, it's a great time to be watching the Cavs though. Damn.
Yeah. Listen, it's, it's not a great time to live in Cleveland because of the freezing cold temperatures, but I, yeah, like my kids are Knicks fan.
I'm curious. Who's your basketball team? Cause you're a Boston guy, right? I'm from Boston.

So Celtics.

Yeah.

I mean,

I've been in LA a long time.

So yeah,

yeah.

It's,

it's terrible.

It's sacrilegious to say I'm a Lakers fan,

but I grew up watching Shaq and Toby.

I mean,

yes,

me too.

I'm like,

and he was so nice to me.

It won me over.

So,

but I like the Celtics from the bird days and stuff like, you know, like Perrish, Kevin McHale, I went and watched those guys. And I still love the Celtics and am a Boston fan for sure.
But if it's Lakers, Celtics like we've seen so many times. You lived in LA a lot longer than Boston, right? I know and it's tough for me because I'm on the phone with my family.
The thing for me the Patriots was always easy because we had the team and I never I mean the Rams is cool now but it took a few years to catch on I still think it's taken it's still catching on yeah it's still a little rough yeah I look at it like this with basketball too for me as much as I love watching it I do need football to end before I could. Because basketball is, it's not quite as long as baseball, but basketball certainly does drag to the all-star break.
And then after the all-star break, it kicks off. So for me, I'm excited for football also to end because then we get to really nerd out on basketball.
My Knicks are finally, finally good. Yeah, it's actually true.
It does end perfectly, the all-star break with the end of football.

I'm just glad you're not a Clippers fan.

Oh, God.

I feel so bad saying this, but it just is like,

go to another city already.

But where are they going to go?

San Diego.

San Diego is incredible.

It's such a great city.

They would be so loved there.

And honestly, the Chargers need to go back to San Diego.

I don't get it.

I don't get it. I don't get it.
Well, they wouldn't build the Chargers, the new stadium. But I was just telling Jared the other day, I actually went to the Intuit Dome, which we got invited.
It was really incredible. And I'm a diehard Laker, so I can't.
I've never been a Clippers guy. I do love Balmer.

I love what he's doing.

I love the type of owner he is.

It was the best in-game experience I've ever seen for a professional event.

Clippers?

Oh, if you get a chance, I ever take the kids or whatever.

It was pretty cool.

I know.

Balmer's a great owner.

He's like Mark Cuban. You hate him, but you're like, ah, but they're good owners.
They're like, they love the game. They're trying to make it better.
It's, you know. Okay.
So my, I'm 41. And so I'm pumped talking to you, but my, you know, gosh, man, my 14 year old self is like just fired up.
And I know, I'm sure about sandlot all the time but that's it literally jerry and i were talking all week about this and like the greatest sports movie of all time maybe in our opinion it's it's it's withstand the test test of time it's perfect my kids my kids watched it and they're five and three and a half and you know we're all in the same like it's pretty much 95 animated movies at this age um going back like and we're talking about this like ham had such iconic you know one-liners an iconic role i'm curious because jerry i share this all the time about how much of that even though your kid was you or was scripted or was it like improv when you look back um it was kind of like controlled improv the director of sandlot wrote it he actually wrote and directed radio flyer too you remember that movie yeah of course wow he got fired as a director halfway through the thing which is crazy really then he wrote sandlot and directed it i don't know why but he is a genius so he he wrote directed and narrated sandlot so he was also probably i don't even know how old he was we were 13 he was maybe in his 20s so he's kind of like a big brother to us but he would let us riff but sort of guide us it. It's almost like Curb Your Enthusiasm,

you know,

where it's not just a hot mess.

Right.

But that scene with me talking trash to the other team.

Yeah.

On the other field,

on their field,

that he had a bullhorn in the dugout and he was just,

yeah.

And it was one take.

So we rolled camera for probably 10 minutes.

And I realized this is back when it was filmed. Yeah.
that's a harder proposition. Really expensive shot.
So he has everyone, you know, rifling through, and he's yelling things for me to say at them. But then he's also cracking me up because he's like, I gotta tell him if his sister was as ugly as he shaved his butt, whatever that line is.
So I'm like 13 cracking up going, really going yeah we're rolling go go go okay so that i would love to see that outtake like that whole that whole shot but the improv was sort of like that the the uh the fight scene before that it goes to there where they're on our field that was all written i mean he fully wrote it you know and we would know, and we would change things. Like, You're Killing Me Smalls was written as You Kill Me Smalls.
So I sort of like, I probably didn't come out that well. So I was like, what about You're Killing Me Smalls? Or I don't know.
So there were little things that we added, but a lot of it was written. So look, another thing we talk about on the show, because we do talk a lot about sports movies, one of my biggest pet peeves is when you can clear, and no offense to the actor, but you can clearly see they've never either held a bat or a ball or whatever.
There's that famous meme. I forget that actor, Robbie Amell, whatever his name is, throwing a football, and he's like a snapback on his release.
And again, if you never played, that's fine. You might look the part, and they cheat around it.
But what I always loved about Sandlot as a kid who grew up loving baseball is all of you as kids looked like you can play and seemed like you certainly can play. It's my biggest pet peeve too, dude.
Right. I mean, a crazy one too is when someone smokes a cigarette.
I'm like, you've never smoked a cigarette in your life. What the that was i mean they didn't it wasn't like we had to be amazing baseball players to get cast but you definitely couldn't lie your way through it they had they had us on the field auditioning so they they would hire that's what i was going to ask you hired but then all the kids were at a baseball field and they said, the director loves you, but you don't have it yet.
You got to go play baseball with the kids, make sure you can play and you get along. I was probably the second best baseball player.
So I wasn't worried because I actually did play. And I've always been a moderately athletic guy for five, seven white dude, you know, like I'm decent, you know? Um, but Mike Vitar was like, he went on to play college ball or, um, and he was amazing.
Uh, Brandon Adams played pretty, pretty well. Sean's he played while I played well, there was a little bit of a drop off, but everyone knew what they were doing.
Yeah. It sticks out.
And what made it work was, you know, when you come see Smalls come in, who clearly, I don't know if he was able to play as a young kid, but that's what made it. Cause any kid out there who felt like, even if they played a little bit, but I remember those days seeing whether it was a basketball course, I'm like, wow, those kids, maybe they're a year older.
They're really good. I can't play with those guys.
So I remember being a little kid when Smalls was like, I'll play. I'm like, what are you doing? You can't play with those kids.
Yeah. The funny thing is he actually was better.
He was good, right? In my opinion, he was the best actor out of all of us. Like he just was a trained, like I had never, that was my first job.
So I just was, I was going natural, whatever, you know, just trying to be real, but he was like a trained actor. And he thank God because he was actually pretty decent at baseball and had to act terrible.
Right. It took a little bit.
Like I remember, I vividly remember the director working with him on throwing a ball poorly because he was having a hard time doing it because, you know, he was an athletic kid. What you said you were 13, 13 or 14 when that show, when you auditioned.
I was 13 when we filmed it, 14 when it came out. I mean, maybe you're too young looking back, but like when you sign on for that show and you get that role and you're shooting it and you're hanging out with a bunch, you probably become of your good buddies and like it's just like i'm just looking back thinking like man i'm shooting a baseball movie at 14 years old with a bunch of kids like this does it when you're done or while you're shooting it at all does it like say like wow this is going to be pretty special this was your first job so maybe you don't know what you don't know but did you have a feeling did you have a feeling we didn't know no no we we didn't know it would be this but we also knew that it was good because you even then you know they're watching dailies and they're coming back and they're super pumped and it was my first movie but you can tell if someone's lying i mean i've been on movies where they're like we just saw the daisy it Yeah.
We're in trouble, everybody. I can tell.
So it was never that. People were coming out being like, whoa, guys, this is good.
But it's funny. So my first, first job was a Nickelodeon thing that I booked.
And I went and got the Hollywood agent for kids at the time, Judy Savage. Oh, I was with Judy Savage for like three months.
Yeah, she dropped me. I love Judy.
She had Jessica Biel. That was the big name back in the day.
That's right. So she told me, don't be surprised if you don't work for a year or two.
And right out the gate, I booked this

Nickelodeon thing. And then my second audition was the Sandlot.
So I'm like, dude, you're

crazy. I'm golden.
I'm on fire. And then I came off of Sandlot.
And I think I did Son-in-Law

with Pauly Shore later that year. So I didn't know rejection in the first few years at all.

It was only until I got older that I started to live the weird Hollywood

audition life.

And that,

that's a wild life.

Like that's,

you know,

I mean,

I'll turn it around on you guys.

I'm a huge,

huge,

I see Queens Boulevard.

I love that.

I love that throwback,

but I'm a huge entourage fan and I auditioned for turtle.

Did you know that?

Oh no,

I did not know that. Damn.
You would have been a good Turtle. I can't do New York accent to save my life.
I can sort of squeak out a Boston one. It was Boston for a while, by the way.
Wahlberg wanted the guys to be from Boston. It was our showrunner, Doug Allen, who was like, no, it's got to be New York.
It's got to be New York. Doug Allen screwed you.
Dude, can you imagine if, oh my God, I'm talking to two turtles right now. It'd be, the roles would be reversed.
Yeah, I lived, I grew up about two blocks from Mark Wahlberg. Yeah.
I lived in Dorchester. Dorchester.
Yeah. Wow, that's crazy.
But so it wasn't until then that I started to, you know, audition and not get things and really see what it's like and kind of come down to reality for a few years. And I mean, luckily I still worked consistently and I've only had this job, but you know, that beginning was weird.
It was not like, not, not a normal beginning in Hollywood. Well, that, that era too.
I, I do want to ask some more Sandlot stuff, but something else that we talk about, and I rack my brain because that really was the golden age of the youth sports movie, right? Whether it's Sandlot, Mighty Ducks, Rookie of the Year. It just was this unbelievable run.
And then even if you look at the TV side, it was all like Dawson's Creek and all this. It was geared for teens and like young 20s.
And at some point, it all does go in a shift and it becomes 30-somethings and 40-somethings and it comes back. But the one thing that hasn't come back, and I'm very, very bummed and I'm curious your take on it.
I'm very concerned about sports movies in general because, number one, the documentaries are these days they just are the 30 for 30 all the Netflix docs they're great and they really happen but there is something so magical about Sandlot Mighty Ducks about that nostalgia that you don't get from docs does it ever come back I think Moneyball ruined it I think Moneyball is too good of a movie. Right.
They ruined it. Like it's, you can't even call that one of those sports movies.
Cause it's like, it's a drama. Yeah.
It's Oscar worthy. It's not major league.
It's not Sandlot. It's not Bad Knees Bears.
It's not, you know, uh, I, I know what you mean. There's something about those late 90s mid 90s movies uh they kind

of followed on uh the like all those sweet 16 movies or right you know what i mean the trend

that they sort of had a bunch of those uh those kind of movies and then rolled into the the nostalgic sports movies so we'll see i i agree it'd be great to have another one come out. Yeah.
So what, go ahead, Matt. Sorry.
No, go ahead. Go ahead.
Go ahead. No, I was going to say, what is life like for you though when Sandlock comes out? I've seen, you know, through my experience with Entourage, it was such a slow burn, right? From getting the pilot to shooting the pilot.
You wait four months. It gets picked up.
It airs. Some people kind of watch it.
Different experience, totally. And you were obviously a lot younger.
You were a kid. That movie hits theaters.
Was it instant or was Sandlot like a slower burn too that became- Yeah, it's been a really slow burn because it was a success in the theaters. It made, I think it made like 40 million so what is that today maybe a hundred right so you're like okay it did well cool didn't break any records wasn't uh mighty ducks you know wasn't home alone which came out a year or two before but people loved it and it did well then it left the theaters and it came out on VHS.
And I think it started to snowball because people started buying it on VHS. Then it sort of, you know, DVD came out, kind of started to snowball again, had a resurgence.
So that first like 10 years, 15 years, it was really popular and people loved it. And it was a big deal.
But then when it hit the 20th anniversary and it started going to the next generation right uh i think it really started becoming something now i have three generations coming up to me you know grandfathers with their kid and their son and their grand like and they've all seen it and love it and there's something special about you know someone came up to me once and like, thanks for being in our living room for the last 30 years. Oh, that's cool.
Thank you. You know? So there's something about that longevity, I think, that kind of makes it start being mean more to people.
And it's been a slow burn because of that. Like now it's hit like new, and it's just crazy.
Yeah, it's iconic. It's in the legendary.
Does your seven, I'm assuming your boys have watched it with you, right? Yeah, but it's not the same. They don't understand it yet, right, the magnitude of it? Like, I showed him Goonies, and he loved it, and that was cool for me.
But also realize I've seen Sandlot maybe five to 10 times. Right.
I don't, I don't like just, it's not, it's not my Sandlot. My Sandlot is Goonies or, you know, so there's so many other shows that I'll show them.
I think they get confused because they're like, that guy looks like you. So they're more into the TikTok stuff.
Like they'll watch my TikTok videos. Yeah videos yeah i was i well i'm glad you mentioned that i i was scrolling your tiktok because i got on i'm still trying to get jerry to grow a tiktok but you're hilarious dude i well and also the hamstring thing was a trend jerry jerry doesn't know about these trends i don't know i i'm old i did see i saw the one um where you were like at the signing right the memorabilia signing with all your boys.
Yeah. Um, how often do you guys get together? Like, does the group get together? Um, and is it like time never flew by when you guys are together? Yeah, totally.
I mean, we're, we're just like, you know, that was sort of like our high school or junior high, you know, high school. So it's kind of like a high school reunion every time we see each other um a lot of them seven of them travel more frequently with each other because i have young kids i'll join them once or twice a year um and then mike vitar doesn't do any of it he's a firefighter now so he actually was front he was in oh wow oh wow really yeah i emailed him

and checked in on him and he said yep i was in the palisades we were fighting it for days it was you

know damn tough one and so he turned into a real hero you know but so he doesn't he's kind of like he now he kind of quit acting and sort of isn't into the limelight so he kind of just you know does his thing and of course understandably you know so we will we don't see him much but um how many shows how many shows do you do do you guys do a year when those types of things like the yeah autograph stuff yeah you can do a lot um and if i was 20 and single and you know didn't you know like it didn't matter, I probably would love to hop in a sprinter van and travel the US. But married with kids, you're just like, I can't be working with my family that much.
So it's draining and it's a long hour. So I do a couple a year.
And it's fun it's it's cool it's cool because you're there to meet people that love it and they're there to meet you and it's sort of like you didn't just walk out of a hotel room not having coffee or showered and be like oh what's up like it's nice because everyone's like they're organized yeah it's i don't know it's really special you know um one quick thing because i get asked this a lot and i i started thinking about it in a different way i'll get asked from time to time like well what was your uh what's your favorite scene in entourage right and for me similar to you i've i've seen the episodes like a couple of times here it's not running on a loop in the house kids can't watch it. They got another 15 years before they probably can.
But when I get asked that question, I more go to the place of what was the most fun scene to shoot, right? Where I'm also thinking about the behind the scenes. I could tell you my favorite scene of Sandlot to watch, the one that gave me the feels was the night game under the Fourth of July lights.
Maybe that's because I'm from Brooklyn. There was no fields lit up.
So I thought, wow, what a great idea of how to play a night game. I never played a night baseball game until I was like 17 years old.
But for you, take me back for a second. Not even your favorite scene in the movie, but your favorite scene to shoot for whatever the reason of what it meant to you.
Well, it's funny. I mean, that night scene was fun to shoot for us for sure, because we were doing all day shoots.
Right. They can only work us eight hours a day.
So we got to stay late. You guys in De Niro, eight hours a day.
That's right. That's right.
So he, we, that was cool. I would say, I mean, the pool scene was pretty fun to shoot, you know, and that's pretty iconic.

There are a lot of, you know, lovely, beautiful ladies there for 13 year old dudes to be checking out.

Wendy Peffercorn, she only filmed one day.

So we were like, oh my God, Marlee Shelton's coming today.

You know, like we're all freaking out.

I mean, we're 13 year old boys.

Like this was the best for us. And so I would say that was fun.
It was freezing on that day. Of course.
Of course it was. It was 100 degrees every other day, but that day it was freezing.
I think probably the carnival scene we had a lot of fun. Yeah.
We were getting big puke thrown on us and riding carnival rides. And then one of the, you know, the scene with me and Phillips on the sandlot was originally written for Benny, Mike Vitar.
And that morning, the director changed his mind and said, you're going to do it. So that was a cool experience to, you know, he knocked on my trailer.
I opened dramatically through the script at me and said, it's yours kid. Like 50s movie and like walk away.
So I remember it like feeling cool. You know, it was an exciting moment.
You were really doing it. You were doing the thing.
I was was doing the thing so i think he didn't want his hero in benny to you know say all that stuff and it made sense and he's so he probably thought you know who could say this stuff was ham so kind of that that was an uh an exciting experience can we so i literally i i put in my notes i have to ask you about wendy peppercorn in the pool scene and you just brought it up the best i mean i can only imagine because there's there's a few like because we're all kind of the same age so like that movie you're a teenager and you think about like there's certain movies and tv shows where you're just like hey looking back it's so like it's kind of so lame but it's like oh my gosh it's like the one the scenes that you remember she was there for eight hours you said that was it one day how many how many takes she might have been there two days because there was a few scenes that she did outside of the pool right but we weren't there with her i remember too seeing the call sheet and it was i think it was marty york uh and maybe shancy had this scene with her and we were all jealous because we're like we have the day off filming with her uh and then there's the pool scene the pool scene though was more than just her too it was you know i had my whole walk up yeah ball so um and then we're all playing in the pool and then there's obviously the big scene with her, but yeah, she came in this beautiful Wendy Peppercorn and we're all, I think the director pulled us aside before too. And I was like, Hey guys, keep your shit to keep it.
So it, you know, he knew, he knew for sure. That's all.
Yeah. I don't know many.
I love stories like that where it's like, wow, no one's really done more with one day of work than that. Like, you know.
That's like Marlon Brando's Superman. Exactly.
Yes. I mean, you're right.
I put it up there. We were just watching Landman, right? Landman's a show out right now with Billy Bob Thornton and Allie Larder.
And Allie Larder, it's like, and she's terrific, but I think of the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues. That's like one of those scenes that you just like, and I honestly, like Wendy Peppercorn in Squints, right? With Squints, it gets to her.
It's just amazing, man. And every time I watch Landman, I'm like, that is whipped cream bikini.
I'm sure she doesn't want to be remembered for that. But yeah, there's some scenes.
She's had such a great career otherwise, and so has Marlee Shelton. Both of them.
They're incredible. Yeah, they're both incredible.
I can't imagine they don't love it. I mean, every Halloween, I see Squints and Wendy.
It's the perfect sexy outfit for the lady and kind of not too involved outfit for the man. It's got fun to compare glasses.
Like a hipster in your mind. Oh, man.
I want to talk to you about your book because, number one, I secretly one day would love to write a book, but I don't know the first. I just don't think I have the wherewithal to do it.
But the title is A Little Slugger's Guide to the Unwritten Rules of Baseball in Life. So it's coming out February 25th.
What I love without even reading it, it's such a smart move, and I'm curious to read it because your character in The Sandlot was dishing out advice left and right whether it was baseball like like he really was the voice in the movie that was trying to help smalls along the way but also giving us kids watching just like a little bit of knowledge so what can you tell us tell us about the book and how did that even come into play for you because you you got, you know, you're acting, you're producing stuff. Writing a book is no easy task.
Well, I've been a writer for years. Um, no, just kidding.
You had me, you had me too. I was in.
I'm like you, man. I, you know, I won't say I'm a director cause I, you know, I mean, I'd love to direct and I'd love to try it, but like I'm not there.
I would never say I'm a producer until I've been doing it now for five, six years. So now I can sort of say, yeah, I produce things, you know, but I writing is something I've never done.
I think starting with a, you know, a smaller, there's a lot of pictures. So good.
Love that. Get through, but I, you know, the process actually was really cool.
I, you know, the senior editor at one of the senior editors at Penguin Random House kind of, we worked really close together and this sort of concept of 20 rules about baseball and also life. It sort of, it was kind of easy for me because it started to fall in place and you realize, wow, sports and life, you're kind of one and the same, like life is a game and, you know, everything in sports, all these lessons, you can sort of just learn them in life and don't take things too seriously.
I mean, in acting, you know, auditions, you got to leave it at the door. You know, I heard great advice from, oh God, I called it.
I got Walter in my head now, but from Breaking Bad. Brian Cranston.
It's funny. I'm doing my like annual rewatch of Breaking Bad right now.
Oh yeah. He was Walter in that show, right? Walter White.
Sure. white sure yeah yeah so he has this great clip from something when he just talks about sort of you know as an actor putting your all into an audition giving it everything you have going into that room doing it and the second the door closes forgetting it because it's out of your hands now and there's nothing you can do and you just have to leave it at that that, that moment, that door goes, you're onto something else.
And I just feel like there's so many things with acting in life and baseball and sports in life that it kind of, it was just fun to figure it out and, you know, put it together. So I'm really happy how it turned out.
And it was a, it was a great start. I would love to write, I would love to do it more, but I'm like you.
I'm a little nervous. Like, is my vocabulary big enough? You know, I'm looking at school.
Do I really have enough to say? I think I do, but do I really have enough to say? Yeah, well, I'm excited to read it. I look forward to it.
February 25th, everybody. Matt, should we ask them, do we want to do, listen, we do this thing every episode.
It's the throwback three, right? I'm stressed out. Well, we could even give you an option.
If you don't necessarily... You can try, man.
You could jump in on ours. But today's category, in honor of you, we're going to do 90s kid sports movie characters, right? So you technically are a nominee.
Although, I feel like in honor of you, I don't want to put you on the spot where you have to give all Sandlot characters. You could participate with us.
No, I wouldn't. It's top three, right? It's top three.
We're just doing three. And again, these are yours.
This is not what everyone does. I saw Jack Nicklaus be asked who the Mount Rushmore of golf was.
He's like, I forget who he said. Ben Hogan was one of them, someone else.
And then he, but everyone, he was like, probably blah, probably blah. And then he was like, probably Tiger Woods.
Yeah, probably. And then at the end though, he goes, and I'd like to join them.
I thought that was a wonderful way of saying you're on that list. You're definitely on that list.
You're definitely on the list, honestly. I'm going to say I'll tell you my three when you guys are done, and then I'll finish with it, and I'd like to join them.
All right. Matt, would you like to lead off or do you want me to lead off? You know what? So why don't we do this? Because normally we go back and forth.
I'll just give you my three. Okay, give me your three.
And then, Pat, if you want to chime in on any of these. We'll discuss.
we already talked i i had squints on there for the sole purpose of he has one of the great my favorite scenes of all time of wendy peppercorn we already kind of went into that we don't have to doubt so i'll do these three i got uh gosh where am i okay henry rowan gartner yes rookie of the year right one of the best there was a great run of movies yeah what'd you say i see him i'll see him at those things and we talked about going to chicago and him throwing on the first pitch and me catching it oh my god that'll be electric yeah so i got icebox becky from little giants okay good one really underrated movie underrated movie um great movie obviously uh and then i got goldberg mighty ducks was one of my favorite and you also i mean i we didn't even mention the big

green you played goalie in the big green which by the way good movie good movie underrated sports

movie one of my i love that movie yeah so those are my three i got i got i got squint's honorable

mention i got henry from rookie of the year uh becky icebox and goldberg from mighty ducks

Let's go. I love that movie.
Yeah. So those are my three.
I got Squint's honorable mention. I got Henry from Rookie of the Year, Becky Icebox, and Goldberg from Mighty Ducks.
Okay. So.
All right. Should I? I'm going to.
I as well have Henry Rowan Gartner. I went a different route.
And look, by the way, I'm using the same thing as you, Patrick. Like, you're on my Mount Rushmore for the sake of giving people a different look.
I'm not putting you on, but you're my number two. I'll be an honorable mention for me.
We'll be an honorable mention. We could do a top three just with the Sandlot alone.
I went Billy Haywood by the Little Big League. Basically, kid's grandfather dies.
He inherits, you know, great,

great movie.

One of my favorites.

And then,

wait,

what was that?

No,

that's Angels in the Outfield.

Little Big League is the one where he becomes the manager.

He becomes,

which to me,

because I used to think I was a GM when I was a kid.

I still do to this day.

I wanted nothing more than to just pretend that I could do that. And look, this is like a different, I'm going with an adult for a second.
You mentioned, you know, little giants. We got to give a shout out to Rick Moranis.
Okay. Who played the coach who was Ed O'Neill's little brother.
I just talk about like the underdog. They have the brother versus brother story.
Ed O'Neill's character won the heisman award so for me that gave people like us matt five seven five foot nothing hundred and nothing unlike you who when you were 13 were probably six three 230 pounds i was definitely six i was definitely six three at 13 that's for sure so i go a little underdog with uh with rick Moranis as the coach in Little Giants? That's a solid one. Um,

I don't like it i mean he's not it's not a kid character by the way it's okay i no listen i you thought out of the box a little in my alternate life i was a 90s sports movie kid because a lot of people out there if you see pictures of me early entourage were like wow goldberg's playing turtle on entourage get over we looked a little bit alike i still can't get over the fact that patrick patrick auditioned for turtle that's fine that's fine it would have been a great great if it was boston he would have been a great turn all right dude what been it. All right, dude.
What do you got? You got me.

So here's the thing.

I'm not a huge Mighty Ducks guy,

but I think it's because there's probably some healthy competition going on.

Yeah.

Sure.

Sure.

Like Brandon Adams is on Mighty Ducks and Sandlot.

So whenever the Ducks are around,

we'll give him a hard time.

Are you going to hang out with the Ducks?

Cool. And then Marty, now that he's all jacked up, is like, give me the ducks.
That's so funny. It's pretty great though.
So I will say this from the ducks. This is my favorite character and I am going to put him on there is Elton Henson.
Yes. Alton Reed.
Oh yeah. With that slap shot.
Yes. Just didn't know what he was doing.
I love that guy i'm gonna put him on intimidating yeah he was great i'm gonna go um todd bosley jake berman i'm looking this up right now but you know the guy yeah that guy from uh little giants i love for sure so those two were really funny and then um i'm gonna do an honorable mention of willie mays hayes i know it's not kids but so i can't we're here for it right like major league i think is one of my favorite movies yeah i think i put that as my top i think we had that as my i think that was your top like grown-up sports yeah we did we did like top like adult movies, Major League, and White Men Can't Jump. Those were two of my top three of all time.
And then the third one, I did Dougie Doug from Cool Runnings because I was on the list that I was sent. So I was like, hell yeah, I love Dougie Doug.
What an era. It was such an era.
Before we let you go, man, how competitive were you guys with Mighty guys with mighty ducks i guess mighty ducks was probably the biggest franchise they were on your corner time yeah we will we'll mess we'll mess them up we'll mess the other guys up devon sawa and i we kind of grew up together and he'll throw jabs at me on twitter once in a while and i'll shoot back at him we tried to start like a rock uh celebrity feud, you know, how they do it. It didn't go very far, but we'll mess with each other.
All right. I got a pitch for you then.
Okay. And I don't know if this lines up.
I don't know who golfs or not, but I would pay good money to watch whatever your foursome is with the Sandlot versus whatever the foursome is. And wherever Brandon goes, it's a controversial draft pick.
He can go Ducks or Sandlot. I don't know if the, I mean, I don't know if Josh Jackson plays a little golf.
He may not be a great golfer though. We don't know, but I would pay to watch the sandlot versus the ducks.
It would be good. I'm trying to think.
I don't think any of those guys golf, which would be terrible. So you're going to have to carry the team.
But it comes down to you, Patrick. Or maybe not.
Maybe it's just, we put like an all-star team together and it's you know like random people against my foursome and you can be on my foursome oh and we'll just go fake goldberg fake goldberg i'll be fake goldberg yeah you're the best man i really gotta say i'm excited i can't wait for the book but also yeah me neither sound like you know you're doing the dad life just like matt and i so best to you and the fam good luck with the book and come back on soon and let's let's play some golf man let's tee fantasy football dude i mean that by the way you you got i mean i'll send you guys my info yeah for sure all right thank you man appreciate you coming on on, buddy. All right.
Thanks, guys. What a good dude.

And honestly, Matt, I really do think sometimes I'll get asked,

was there ever any movies you wish you were in

or ones that you auditioned for you didn't get?

And I really don't have that.

But if I can go back in time,

I used to think it was like Rudy would be a pretty cool movie to be in

because I'm undersized.

By the way, you kind of look like you could have played that role for sure. That's my Halloween costume every year too.
I just wear a Notre Dame jacket and carry a Bible around. But The Sandlot, that's the one.
That's the one as a kid you'd want to be in. It is.
There's a handful of movies, I think, from that era, at least from our generation, are like, they just stand the test of time. Like Home Alone, right? Home Alone is that Sandlot, whether whatever genre or category you want to put in sports, drama, like whatever, like it, it is just one of the greatest movies I think ever made.
And, and I got to be honest, man, like I don't really, I don't fan on people too much. Like if I see some people, I'm like, wow, that's so, and so like, I just like, that's one of my favorite movies of all time.
So to talk to Patrick or him to come on and like, you know, that was a cool, that was cool. That's why I said like my 14 year old self is just pumped right now because I'm like- Well, also, I mean, he told us about the heat check of Marley Shelton, which was Wendy Peppercore.
One day you come in for six to eight hours and you now have like a definitive character that will last a lifetime. I mean, that scene, all of us in your 40s and probably 30s, when you think of Home Alone, or excuse me, you think of Sandlot, you think of Sandlot, and then you're like, oh, my gosh, but that pool scene, Wendy Peppercorn, how hot was she back in the day? My brother has a Wendy Peppercorn Peppercorn shirt.
My brother has like, you know, he has all, you know, he has all those old, like, you know, they have all the old, like, whatever. Yeah.
Like nostalgic, like the throwback shirts. Um, he's got a Wendy Peppercorn shirt.
So I look, he was great. The fact that he auditioned for turtle is still mind blowing to me.
I guess it's just, that's crazy. They cast a wide net.
they cast a pretty wide net but at one time for real it was walberg wanted it to be sort of his boston meatheads and doug ellen made it new york but i even want to say maybe um brandon who we mentioned from sandlake mighty ducks he might have been in the audition i remember they looked at lots of people for I always wonder if you know like things happen for a reason right and obviously you crushed the role that was your that you were meant to add that role but i always wonder when i go back to usc like if matt castle would have won the starting job over me like it was it was very sliding door stuff it was just that stuff it's like i wouldn't be doing this i probably would have never won the heisman i might not I don't know. I would have probably transferred and stuff.
It's like, I wouldn't be doing this. I probably would have never won the Heisman.
I might not have ever played. I don't know.
I would have probably transferred things. I think about that stuff all the time.
Yeah, don't you think about it? I think it's just crazy. All the time.
Your path is your path, and it brings you to a certain point. But I always wonder, man, what if I didn't win? Or what if you didn't get Turtle for whatever reason? And what if it went to Patrick Renna like it's just like it's just it's just crazy how that happens a real big question that we could have fun with if if we do a trade would i trade turtle for ham like would i go back and would i rat like but i go play ham or well it's different because entourage was 10 years right but yeah you were yeah as terms of iconic i mean Hamilton Porter is up there.
So shout outs to Patrick Renna. Look for the book again.
But also look for us February 8th. We said it earlier in the show.
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Can't wait. And then, Matt, I mean, big, big weekend.
We talked about it all. So however you're watching, good luck to you this weekend.
If you happen to be putting some money on this game like me. We got the Bills chase, baby.
Let's go. Who got crushed with that Commanders game.
Commanders, Eagles. Like everybody else.
Somewhere to, I mean, God, Saquon Barkley wins the Super Bowl.

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