Jayden Daniels’ Rise, Josh Allen’s Time, NFL Rule Changes & Patrick Renna’s Sandlot Memories!

Speaker 1 It was only until I got older that I started to live the weird Hollywood audition life. But I'm a huge Entourage fan.
And I auditioned for Turtle.

Speaker 2 Did you know that? Oh, no, I did not know that. Oh,

Speaker 2 damn, you would have been a good Turtle.

Speaker 2 All right. Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks.
My co-host Madeline is laughing at me right now.

Speaker 3 I wish people could just see your face right now. Actually, they can.

Speaker 2 Well, really quick. What's going on?

Speaker 2 We meet every week about this show where we have, I guess this is like the realization that I'm just an old ass man. I cannot keep up with the group chat and the emails and everything that comes in.

Speaker 2 We were going to record starting a few moments ago. I was late.
You texted me like, where are you?

Speaker 2 I was upstairs preparing lunch for myself because I haven't eaten all day, not realizing we were supposed to start 10 minutes ago because I missed the text that you just

Speaker 3 and then you come on just fuming right now.

Speaker 2 I feel it like what

Speaker 3 else is going on, dude. Do you need a hug?

Speaker 3 You know me, man. I'm your number one therapist.

Speaker 2 All right. I'm going to tell you what's going on, and then we got to tell the audience something else that's going on.
My kids are home from school because it's too cold outside.

Speaker 2 I grew up in New York City. Never did they cancel school because it's too cold outside.
We just, we're just, like, we just, people are soft. Get me out of here, man.
So anyway, the

Speaker 2 definitely kids have been home since like Thursday of last week because in Cleveland, it's too cold outside. Never.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you,

Speaker 3 the greatest day on the calendar is the day the kids go back to school.

Speaker 2 Well, listen. It really is.
All kidding aside, though, there is.

Speaker 2 a good update that I have been paying much attention to and has taken a lot of my focus and your focus because Matt, we're going to the Super Bowl, baby. Dude, we're going.

Speaker 3 We're going. Throwback show is going to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 Are we just spilling the tea? We're spilling the tea right now.

Speaker 2 I think we're spilling the tea right now. We are going to be doing a live show.
It's like a combination episode, combination.

Speaker 2 We're just live from the red carpet at not just any party, the party of Super Bowl week and weekend, the Fanatics party.

Speaker 3 Fanatics, red carpet, a list everywhere. Athletes, entertainers, music, actors.
Obviously, shout out to Michael Rubin who

Speaker 3 allowed us to be on there. It's going to be exciting, man.
Like, I go to the Super Bowl every year for the most part, right? Just

Speaker 3 either have appearances or stuff or just go as a casual fan and hang out with friends. It's a fun weekend, obviously.
If you haven't gone, it's an incredible weekend. But to be able to do this, right?

Speaker 3 We just launched a show three, four months ago. And now to have the opportunity to go on the red carpet and just do our thing together

Speaker 2 for throwbacks meeting all the cool people shooting the like it's gonna be an experience um i'm super pumped um and uh dude like it can't can't come soon enough so everything you need to know we're gonna be live from the fanatics red carpet we're gonna be live on our youtube channel throwback show as well as our twitter x account instagram facebook everything is at throwback show so if you're subscribed and following any of those platforms you'll be able to watch so we're basically gonna be like your guides your Sherpas

Speaker 2 to the best party of the week, weekend. And also, we get to then go in the party after we do our

Speaker 2 show. Pretty damn cool.

Speaker 2 Can't say we'll be live, but we'll definitely bring you some videos and we'll be posting some stuff from inside the party because your boy's going to need a drink after this, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 Saturday, February 8th, 3.30 p.m. Eastern.

Speaker 3 I think we go live, right? 2.30, we go live, Central Time, 12.30 Pacific, depending where you're at.

Speaker 3 And again, like Jerry, like you said, I think it's just, it's just going to be be fun, man. Like, like, there's, I'm excited.
I would say, like, I'm excited to see so-and-so.

Speaker 3 You know, we don't know yet who's coming, but if you just look at pictures of past parties, it's going to be pretty fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And my goal is like, I don't want to do the who's going to win the big game.
I mean, I'm sure we're going to keep like.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like, give me a, give me a, give me a, well, depending on who we get, like, give me a prediction.

Speaker 2 What's the over-under of how many times if we, if we talk to 50 people, what's the over-under of one of us? Probably me going, so who do you like this weekend? It's the over

Speaker 2 10 and a half?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we'll set that number for sure. 10 and a half.
Yeah. So, no, that's exciting, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're gonna be there. And then we're gonna, we're gonna be, we're gonna be together.

Speaker 3 We're gonna do some stuff throughout the weekend. We're gonna have a lot of opportunity to do some content and just and just uh hang out.
And again, it's just a fun weekend.

Speaker 3 So we're excited to be kind of the voice, the ears, all that for the fans of the red carpet for fanatics.

Speaker 2 And it will be cool to be there with you.

Speaker 3 I've gone to the Super Bowl a bunch of times, and I've been, I have been treated well in the past, but it's just got to be different when you're at the super bowl and you're an athlete someone who played the actual sport walking around it's just got to be a little easier i think it's very similar to you going to we talk about the golden globes a lot right one of the awards an award show and yeah no matter like for me i'm old i've been retired for 10 years a lot of these kids were like a lot of these players now weren't in the league when i was playing very few crossovers when i played with like aaron rodgers i mean only a couple guys back in the day but it is, it is, it is a small community when you think about it.

Speaker 3 And so when I go there, you just, you just reconnect with a lot of people that you played with, you reconnect with younger guys, coaches, all that.

Speaker 3 And it's always like, it always, it's always good because like, man, like, I, I still, I don't really think of myself as a football player anymore, you know, because it's just so far removed.

Speaker 3 But when you get back in that environment and you see so many people that you know or you cross paths with over the last 20 years, like it just makes you, you know, it's like, this is cool, man.

Speaker 3 Like, this is a great fraternity to be a part of.

Speaker 2 You just reminded me of a fun story that I'm going to tell in one second, but also coming up on the show in a little while. This is a fun one for Matt and I because we're, we're 90s kids.

Speaker 2 I'm a little older than Matt, but we came up watching the same movies. We got Patrick Renna joining us a little later.

Speaker 2 For those of you who don't know him by Patrick Renna, I hate to do this as someone who's called by a character name over and over again, but he played Hamilton Ham Porter in the sand lot, which I think is our all-time favorite like sports kids' sports movie, right?

Speaker 2 That's up there for me.

Speaker 3 Did we do that for throwback?

Speaker 3 It's probably my number one

Speaker 3 sports movie of all time.

Speaker 2 Yes. And he's got a book because

Speaker 2 he's got kids himself, too. I think he coaches.
So we're going to get into all sand lot stuff, but then we're just going to, he's just a funny dude. Can't wait to talk to him.

Speaker 2 We're even going to do our throwback three with him, which our throwback three is going to be in honor of him. Those 90s kids movies.
Who are our throwback three favorite characters?

Speaker 2 I think we have to relieve him. We have to take the sandlot off the table, I think, don't we?

Speaker 3 I may have a honorable, I may have a special Sandlot character because I just want to get his reaction of why I'm going to say my character.

Speaker 2 So my first quick Super Bowl story, the first Super Bowl I ever went to was Packers, Steelers, Aaron Rodgers' lone Super Bowl win in Dallas.

Speaker 2 Now, if you remember, Dallas, it snowed and it hadn't snowed in Dallas in years and they were not prepared for the snow. So it was kind of a mess.

Speaker 2 I was shooting stuff with Max Greenfield for this DirecTV show. And this girl I was dating, not Brie, sorry, this is 2010.

Speaker 2 It was going well. She was at the Super Bowl too.
Took a left turn. Things didn't go so well at the Super Bowl.
Realized that she wasn't Mrs. Ferrara.
We kind of ended there at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 And then Sunday morning, my flight wasn't till like four o'clock, so I was going to miss the game. So I ran ran into some friends, one of which happens to own a jet company.

Speaker 2 And I said, is there anybody on earth leaving Dallas going back to LA Sunday morning?

Speaker 2 I mean, I'll pay a little. I really don't want to go for 40 grand to fly home.
There's no flights home.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 you're the guy that says, I'll pay a little, knowing that they're not going to take like a couple grand for me.

Speaker 2 Right. But

Speaker 2 there's no coach flights. Spirit wasn't around.
There's zero flights back to LA. So I took a shot.
If I had to wait for my flight, I'd wait. I took a shot.

Speaker 2 Everyone in the Super Bowl is selling something. So I get a call saying, yeah, someone's going home at like nine o'clock in the morning Sunday.
He's cool. He's the only one on the plane.

Speaker 2 It's his plane. He's alone.
He said he'll fly you back.

Speaker 2 I show up to the airport. Now, they don't tell me who.
I'm like, whose fucking plane is this? Could be? It could be anybody. I walk on the plane, David Spade.

Speaker 2 Me and David Spade.

Speaker 2 Just you two. Just the two of us.
By the way, coolest dude ever. We talked for like two hours back to LA.
I was back on my couch for the national anthem, and I never saw that girl again.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 3 it was destiny. By the way, there's nothing better.

Speaker 3 I've only been to one Super Bowl as a fan. It was 07,

Speaker 3 06, or 07. It was in Arizona because I was in Arizona.
So I hosted a lot of stuff. And actually, it was, sorry, it was the one where the Giants beat the Patriots.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's a good one. I missed that one.

Speaker 3 So I was at that one in a suite. It's the only Super Bowl that I've stayed for since then.
I've probably been from 07 to 24. I've probably been to 12 like week.

Speaker 3 I've been, I usually go fairly every year.

Speaker 3 I always come back and lay on my couch. Right.

Speaker 2 What was the most fun, though, you've had? Like, what city provided you the most fun at a Super Bowl? Oh, Miami, dude. Miami.
Yeah. Of course.

Speaker 3 Of course. Miami, the Super Bowl in Miami, it was 06.

Speaker 3 It was my Monday night football game.

Speaker 3 It was Bears Colts in the rain.

Speaker 2 Peyton Manning

Speaker 3 led him to Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 That was the year that we played them on Monday Night Football.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I remember I was at, gosh, what's the mansion there? It was like the famous designer's mansion that had parties there.

Speaker 2 Versace, isn't it?

Speaker 3 Versace. The Versace mansion.
I was there with, I remember

Speaker 3 Fergie. I was hanging out with Fergie.

Speaker 2 Very good. She didn't sing the national anthem.
Did she?

Speaker 3 I think Scarlett Johansson.

Speaker 2 Scarlett. Scarjo.

Speaker 2 Scarjo Joe.

Speaker 3 She probably remember me.

Speaker 2 Oh, I hope she's at the red carpet. Shout out to you.

Speaker 3 Shout out to Pantera Sarah. You remember Pantera Sarah.

Speaker 2 I mean, whoever was there. So Pantera Sarah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so Pantera Sarah was out there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I remember, I think Andy Roddick. I mean, I'm just name-dropping right now, but I'm just, it was, it was just like one of those years.
It was just all time.

Speaker 3 Like, it was like I was 24 years old in Miami after my rookie year.

Speaker 3 It was pretty epic.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I mean, I've had, there's a lot of great Super Bowl stories. Shit, I had a blast at Vegas last year.
Last year, I was there too.

Speaker 3 Eight days removed from hip surgery.

Speaker 2 Some might say the birth of throwbacks. Shout out Eric Wells and Alex Gleitman.
The birth of throwbacks happened in Vegas at that Super Bowl. My first conversation

Speaker 2 because I had nothing to do with that. It was dinner in the ARIA

Speaker 2 Super Bowl week last year. So that was the birth of throwbacks.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, speaking of the birth of, you know, talk about the birth of throwbacks at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 How about the birth of Jaden Daniels, Jerry?

Speaker 2 Like, is

Speaker 2 it the greatest?

Speaker 3 I'm like, I'm still, I can't say that it's weird because I've been thinking about this a lot. It's like, you know, because there was so much, Caleb Williams went one, Daniels went two.

Speaker 3 This quarterback class, right, it was like the six first rounders. Bo Nix was fantastic this year.
I think Michael Pennix is going to be great.

Speaker 3 Like it might, when it's all said, it might be the greatest quarterback class ever, right? If you, if some of these guys start to win playoff games, Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 What is it about Jaden Daniels? Like, I just think he's, I think he's the best rookie quarterback we've ever seen. And Andrew Luck had a great rookie year.
Ben Rothesberger had a great rookie year.

Speaker 3 R.G. 3 had a great.
There's some guys that have been able to take their team to play.

Speaker 3 The maturity and what he's been able to do in one year from the commanders winning, what, four games last year, new coach, GM, like everything new on that team.

Speaker 3 And for him to do this and put this team in this position, and I think have a real shot of beating the Eagles this weekend.

Speaker 2 Real shot.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 It's wild to me how great he has been this year.

Speaker 2 Here's my opinion on it.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 it's so great, it's not even shocking at this point.

Speaker 2 It's expected.

Speaker 2 Right. It's one thing to feel like a guy.
plays well and then gets really, really hot.

Speaker 2 That's not what this is. He's been playing this way most of the year.
Then he got a little injury setback. And then once he kind of got past that, returned right back to form.

Speaker 2 It's the poise, it's the confidence. When you, and you know, that's why I almost want to ask you, like, go back to your rookie year.
Like, this dude just, it doesn't feel like he's a rookie.

Speaker 2 I feel like he's been in my life for five years already, you know, and I'm not surprised by what he's doing, even though I should be, because this does not happen often.

Speaker 2 And he just controls the game almost like a great point guard, even in the NBA. The tempo, the pace, just when you think, oh, all right, third and seven, huge play.

Speaker 2 This moment might be too big for him. He wiggles out of the pocket.
It just, it just looks so easy. And we know it's not.
And you know, it's not. You played the game.
So that's what stands out to me.

Speaker 2 I don't feel like he's, I feel like I've been watching this dude for five years already.

Speaker 3 I saw, I saw, like, he came out and said, talked about the VR training, like the virtual reality. I don't know if you saw that.

Speaker 2 Buy that stock. If you could buy VR quarterback training stock, there's a quarterback.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's quarterbacks that have done that that's been around for a little bit of time now not a long time but a little bit of time and i think stanford um yes dave remarie had that i think it was back in stanford did that and

Speaker 3 i i'm a vis i was always a visual learner like i would take my notes and you know you you kind of study you memorize the plays and whatever and you go through them in your head but like

Speaker 3 I was just visual. I had to see it in practice.
I had to see it in a film, whatever. And like he spends hours and hours on VR.
And

Speaker 3 it actually makes a lot of sense because I was reading something where

Speaker 3 Kingsbury is like in his voice notes and gives him the play in the VR. So it's actually his recorded voice.

Speaker 2 So like when you go through that, simulating it. And

Speaker 3 you're a simulator, right? You go through that. And I don't know if you ever done it.
I put on VR glasses and it is like.

Speaker 2 It's incredible now.

Speaker 3 But in a football thing, like it is literally like your D-tackles right here.

Speaker 3 You're seeing it like it's a real game.

Speaker 3 And then boom, they're reacting on the snap like it's like they're getting into their defensive coverages and i was like holy shit like that is unbelievable and if you can master that and do that enough then when you do in game day and you're just reacting right football is all about reacting right pre-snap kind of having an understanding where you want to go with the football and then you have the two or three seconds to react he's doing it

Speaker 3 as good as anybody in in

Speaker 3 the world And it's unbelievable. Like I was thinking about Josh Allen, Lamar,

Speaker 3 obviously Mahomes, and Mahomes statistically didn't have a great year, but look where he's at again. And Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels, a top five quarterback in the league right now.

Speaker 3 And I, and that's not, that's not far-fetched, but like, he's above Herbert to me. He's above a lot of these guys that like we see talent and all that.
He's going to be,

Speaker 3 I don't know. And he's doing it without, I think, an A-list supporting cast.
I mean, if you really think about it, we've talked about that last week. We talked about that with Shady.

Speaker 3 Like, who does Josh Allen have, right? Who does, you know, Lamar have? Who'd like some of these guys have? Like, who does Jaden Daniel? It's not a shot.

Speaker 3 It's just like, you know, like, they're going to start to get dudes because dudes are going to be like, I want to go play with that quarterback and have a chance to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 And he's been incredible. I'm excited for this weekend.
I mean, Philly's tough. That's obviously a tough matchup, tough pace to play in a great defense.

Speaker 3 But tell me, man, you got to score 35 points to beat them.

Speaker 2 It's the ultimate test because. We know how hostile Philly's going to be.
Yeah. We know now

Speaker 2 who knows what the weather's going to be.

Speaker 2 To me, the whole weekend just is just summed up with two teams played really really well in those conditions like the eagles played really well and the bills played really well in those conditions those might be similar conditions we don't know uh it's it's the ultimate test but i i again i'm not trying to bring it back to the giants here but

Speaker 2 this is a normal chain reaction that i followed going through my jaden daniels experience I remember, and we'll talk about really quick, like hard knocks.

Speaker 2 Literally, Shane's kid was telling him, trade up and draft Jayton Daniels. And I'm sure he tried, by the way, I'm sure he tried.
It wasn't going to happen.

Speaker 2 But Tommy DeVito, two years ago, and I love Tommy DeVito, great story, won a very, very pointless game for the Giants. Not pointless for him, not pointless for the players.

Speaker 2 For the organization and the fans, it was a pointless win. For Tommy DeVito and the players playing for contracts and just pride, very meaningful game.
Of course.

Speaker 2 And it drops the Giants out of the two slot into whatever they were.

Speaker 2 I would like to avoid this. Meaning, look at this year.
We got the Titans, got the Raiders, Giants, Patriots, who else? Browns, right? Those are our five poo-poo teams.

Speaker 2 Do you think one of those teams deserves the number one overall pick more than the other? Like,

Speaker 2 if the Titans and the Giants played on a neutral field 10 times,

Speaker 2 do we think it's not five and five? Maybe one team gets the six and four. I just think that's the same thing.

Speaker 3 You're in your hypothetical.

Speaker 2 What I'm saying all that to say is why can't the NFL.

Speaker 3 The worst team in the NFL gets the number one pick.

Speaker 2 I get it. There's five really, really bad teams that all are worthy of that award.
The tiebreak system is crazy of how they determine. It's layered, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 It's layered with, oh, strength of schedule. Why not adopt the one thing that the NBA maybe does better than football? The lottery system.
Why not? Why not take those five teams?

Speaker 3 So taking, you're saying take the, because in the lottery in the NBA, it's what, 10, 12?

Speaker 2 Yes, but

Speaker 2 yes, it's 10, 12, but really it's heavily weighted for three team, five teams to be in the top three. And then you want to do a lottery.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 The top,

Speaker 2 the five worst teams in the NFL who get to pick the top five, you want to do a lottery based on the number one overall pick, yes, because I don't see a difference in the Giants, the Raiders, the Titans, the Browns.

Speaker 2 I don't see a difference. And you see now how quickly you could turn a franchise around.
And NBA did it for what? To avoid tanking. Oh, Jacksonville.
NBA did it to avoid tanking, right?

Speaker 2 Andrew Gunling's Philadelphia 76ers won, what, 12 games

Speaker 2 to get the number one pick. We saw it with Wemby, right? You couldn't just straighten it.
But

Speaker 3 you can't compare the number one picks in the NBA to the number one picks in the NFL. And there's only been one or two.

Speaker 2 It's close now with Jaden Daniels and Wemby. Wemby has a much brighter future because it's been all close.

Speaker 3 Look at the look at what this number one number one picks in the NFL are far less impactful than the number one picks in the NBA.

Speaker 2 Far less.

Speaker 2 I think with the importance of quarterback now and quarterback being the most impactful. Yeah, because most

Speaker 3 number one quarterback picks don't pan out.

Speaker 2 Right, but when you get that one, that does.

Speaker 3 Okay, but I'm saying, yeah, one every, like, think about it. Like, I mean, think about that.
Like, who are the number?

Speaker 3 Like, I mean, obviously Baker was a number, but just like, it just doesn't happen that often. Whereas in the NBA, it's a lot easier.

Speaker 3 You get Wemby, you get LeBron, you get, you know, was Anthony Edwards number one? You get like guys that literally, because the NBA is a lot different. You have five guys.

Speaker 2 There's been some NBA whiffs at the end. Oh, of course, but

Speaker 3 I would die on a hill and bet more money that more number one draft picks in the NBA have had a more significant impact for their franchise quicker than number one draft picks for the NFL.

Speaker 2 I just think that if the NFL had a lottery system, it would take away this bizarre debate we're starting to get into when we get into week 15, 16, 17, and 18 of like, this team's going nowhere.

Speaker 2 Why do they need to win this game? Like, I get the player aspect. The player should not give a shit about the organ they're drafting.
But that's why the whole pointer comes.

Speaker 2 But it does matter to the organization. Like, all right, we won three games instead of two.

Speaker 2 And it's only because this team rested every one of their players. The Bills sent out a second string unit and the Patriots won a game and they lost the number one overall pick.

Speaker 2 The Bills didn't try to win the game.

Speaker 3 I think, I mean,

Speaker 3 but now you're being so specific with one week a year. It's like, okay, that just so happened that this, like the Kansas City Chiefs, like

Speaker 2 the content of a lot of people,

Speaker 3 the Kansas City Chiefs benched their starters. The Broncos beat them, right? And if the Broncos were to lose that game, that was the Bengals were getting, like, everything was on the line.

Speaker 3 The Bengals are sitting there like, shit. I'm just saying, like, that happens.
Yes, it happens. It happens in all sports.
But like, tanking is not a thing in the NFL. It's too hard to do.

Speaker 3 There's too much that's on the line.

Speaker 2 I, I don't, I don't, look, I don't mind it. Like, I don't know.
How fun would it be, though? It would be fun. It would be, I don't, I don't mind it.

Speaker 3 I just don't think it has the same type of impact in the NFL that it does in the NBA. I just, it, it just doesn't, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 I'll hear you on that. I guess I really just, this is just more sour grapes of, wow, I wish the Giants had the two pick and took Jaden Daniels.
And similarly this year,

Speaker 2 I'm glad the players left the Colts out of pride, but I wish we were getting

Speaker 2 the last four number one picks to go.

Speaker 3 Trevor Lawrence,

Speaker 2 Trayvon Walker.

Speaker 3 You don't even know what team he probably plays on.

Speaker 2 Bryce Jones and the Jaguars. I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 Bryce Jackson and Caleb Williams. And obviously, Caleb's a rookie and had a pretty good year.

Speaker 2 Trevor Lawrence, I mean, he's been paid, but I mean, right, but this even goes for the number two and three pick as well. That's what I'm saying.
It's not just number one.

Speaker 2 It's number two, Jaden Daniels. Number three, Drake May.

Speaker 2 I will say this year, this year.

Speaker 2 Stroud. Stroud was going to the top, you know.

Speaker 3 By the way, Stroud also rookie years, had a fantastic rookie year last year. I would say, like, this year more than ever, I don't think

Speaker 3 people,

Speaker 3 I say people care to be the number one pick in the draft. This is, it's not a, like, you have.

Speaker 2 Not last year.

Speaker 3 It's not last year. You have Shador Sanders, you have a Cam Ward, are your quarterbacks who, you know, like, I just think this this year people are going to

Speaker 3 stretch to get a player. Whereas last year, you had, you know, I mean, gosh, I didn't even mention JJ McCarthy.
Obviously, you had four or five guys that just had like first-round grades.

Speaker 3 You're like, like, these are can't miss players.

Speaker 3 This year, it'll be different. So that's why I don't think the Giants, like, Giants are picking three.

Speaker 3 Like, you have, you have like Travis Hunters, you have other guys, and you might, one of those QBs might fall to three. You just never know, dude.

Speaker 2 But I just think it would be awesome. NFL, Roger Goodell, who does not listen to this podcast, you know that's a fun money-making idea.
You know it is.

Speaker 3 You know it is. You're speaking from a fan.

Speaker 2 Imagine doing it at halftime of this weekend's games. Like, coming up at halftime of the Bills Chiefs, we're going to do the NFL lottery.

Speaker 2 Everyone right now listening to the show is like, wow, that would be fucking fun.

Speaker 3 You know how they bring, like, they'll bring like a former player, coach, or like in the lottery room. Maybe they'll do it.
Do the same thing.

Speaker 2 They do the same thing.

Speaker 2 For the Arizona Cardinals, Matt sitting in for the lottery. Matt,

Speaker 2 you could be their good luck charm, bro. You could be their good luck charm.
Then you have to go every single year. That would be funny.
Anyway, that's how I thought of Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 3 I'd be the last on that list.

Speaker 2 The point of this whole thing is, God, it would be fun to have Jaden Daniels on my favorite team. He's awesome.
Congrats. I mean, and I really do give them a really, really good chance.

Speaker 3 I do too.

Speaker 2 Did you, none of the teams you ever played for participated in hard knocks, right?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 No. Well, you're probably better off because the other thing that jumped out to me, watching Saquon slap his helmet while he's running for touchdowns in the snow.

Speaker 2 And apparently, Shady McCoy tweeted, called Saquon, gave him the blueprint to running in the snow in Philly, even though Saquon

Speaker 2 was going to be a good one. Get your cleats right.

Speaker 2 Get your cleats right.

Speaker 2 We're done with this hard knocks front office thing. No team's ever going to do that ever again, right?

Speaker 2 After watching the drama with Joe Shane and Jaden Daniels and J.J. McCarthy and then Saquon, like no team, it's the worst idea of all time, right?

Speaker 3 I mean, some, some, yeah, like, when I was playing, I was on teams that were like, absolutely not. Hell no.

Speaker 2 Um, how'd you feel that as a player? If hard, oh, Matt, we're going to be doing cameras are going to be everywhere now, too, in addition to all the other shits. Like, I don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 Gosh, if I could put myself back in that, like, I think exposure for your organization sometimes, I think it does. I think I, I personally, and I'm sure you feel the same as a fan, I love that.

Speaker 2 I enjoy watching.

Speaker 3 I love it.

Speaker 3 I think it's great because I also like, I love people getting a chance to see what we actually go through on a day-to-day basis, the grind, like the mental tool, the good, the bad, all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 I think it's awesome. I think it's really cool to see.
But to your point, it's like, I don't think any team really in the NFL like puts their hand up and says, hey, we'll be the, we'll be the team.

Speaker 3 Like we want, now, some do, like, if you're a new coach and like, shit, I want people to see this. Like, I believe in myself.
Like, we're up.

Speaker 3 Like, like, it does have its benefits, but, but yeah, I mean, but, but again, we, like, imagine if Saquon just didn't have the year he had, then, you know, or like, we wouldn't be talking about that moment, but God, that moment just sticks out with your kids.

Speaker 2 So, for me, as much as I enjoyed watching that and I love front office stuff, and I like to pretend to be a GM, it's just what Biggie said in the 10 crack commandments.

Speaker 2 Never let them know your next move. Even though the moves already happen, that's why I love Leon Rose with the Knicks.
Everyone's so mad.

Speaker 2 Leon Rose doesn't do interviews, doesn't do press, doesn't talk. I love it.
The fans feel some kind of, let us know the plan.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 3 You'll know the plan when I tell you the plan.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Fun show, but I think we could say RIP to Hard Knocks run off this.
I can't imagine another team doing that.

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Speaker 2 Matt, I want to talk to you about Sunday, 6:30 p.m. Eastern, in a little place we call Kansas City.

Speaker 2 Bills Chiefs,

Speaker 2 as much as Lamar,

Speaker 2 Ravens, Chiefs would have been a lot of fun too, to me, this feels

Speaker 2 this is it. This feels like the way it was gone.
It would have been great, Bill's Chiefs as well. I mean, Ravens Chiefs as well, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just feel like these two teams have been circling each other all year long. Every year, which is, I mean, fourth meeting.

Speaker 3 Is it, I feel like it's like it's, this is Josh Allen's time, right? It just feels like that. Like, I don't know if he loses again.

Speaker 3 Because remember, I think the last time they lost, right, that was the last time he marched them down and then the Bills defense couldn't stop Mahomes. Was that the last time they matched it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so 2020. That's terrific.
2020 AFC Championship game, Chiefs 38-24. So they had it handily.

Speaker 2 2021 AFC divisional round, Chiefs 42, Bills 36 OT that's the 13 seconds game that's the one that's where Josh Allen's balled and balled out defense was absolutely terrible and then 2023 divisional round Tyler Bass had a field goal to tie it and missed it with a buck 43 left game over so I just think this is like

Speaker 3 Josh Allen has to win like I think you like for your own psyche confidence as a team and they're they've been arguably the best team in football this year outside of the lions obviously and um i don't know man like but it's just something about we talked about last week something about going on the road to kansas city and you saw kansas city last week it's like okay well travis kelsey shows up in the playoffs mahomes shows up in the playoffs andy reed is a hall of fame coach spagnolo is a hall of fame decora is outstanding jones is an absolute monster up front their deep chiefs defense is nice this year

Speaker 3 i don't know i i'm

Speaker 3 I don't have a dog in the fight.

Speaker 3 I'm rooting for Josh Allen and the Bills just to get to the bowl for him to win one because

Speaker 3 I like Josh Allen. But

Speaker 3 I'm telling you what, man, it is just something about playing up in Kansas City on the road in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 Well, also, you know, if for some reason we all pretty much knew the Chiefs were probably going to handle business against the Texans, and I know everybody's up in arms with the way Mahomes is officiated.

Speaker 2 I'm curious to just hear any thoughts you have on that, too. I don't really see, I mean, I see it

Speaker 2 to me.

Speaker 2 I do a little, but like this.

Speaker 3 I mean, Troy Aikman even called him out during the game, which I thought was great.

Speaker 2 And we're going to talk about maybe Troy in a minute, too, when we do our dynamic duos for Wendy's. But what I was going to say, though, is

Speaker 2 Allen needs Mahomes in this moment.

Speaker 2 I'm sure he'd be thrilled to make the Super Bowl no matter what, beat the Texans, beat whoever.

Speaker 2 Of course, I'm just talking about, I would have already heard the conversations that for some reason the Texans would have upset the chiefs and then the bills host houston and beat ah well he didn't beat mahomes so that's what we do we poke holes i don't always do that but a lot of people do so to me this was the way it always has to end this is so you you look at the run he's he might he might be the mvp we'll find out he's going to be damn close if he doesn't win it look at his path i mean he plays he beats lamar jackson who's who may win the mvp and then you beat patty mahomes and then and then jaden daniels the best quarterback

Speaker 3 then we'll see in in the Super Bowl. But yeah, I mean, this is, I think, as a competitor and as a team,

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 3 sure and easy. You play who's in front of you.
Your path is your path.

Speaker 3 But, like, to be able to beat those guys on this path will only add to the Hall of Fame career of Josh Allen that he's already built. Like, it, it's,

Speaker 3 I'm fired up for this game. Like, this is a game that I will be, I will be one week away from, you know, a week away from having a third baby,

Speaker 2 a fourth kid.

Speaker 3 I will be fucking laid up on that couch watching this game. And I will tell my wife,

Speaker 3 the kids, they can sleep right, they can sit right next to me and watch football with daddy because I'm not moving. Like, I don't get fired up for a lot of NFL games.
This one I'm fired up for.

Speaker 3 This one I'm fired. I'm excited to watch.

Speaker 2 I'm not even going to ask you Super Bowl picks, but what would be the most fun matchup? Not even saying who should be there, X's and O's.

Speaker 2 Take narratives and play

Speaker 2 and styles. What do you think would be the most fun?

Speaker 3 I fun? I mean, I think Jaden Daniels by far.

Speaker 2 Daniels versus Allen, that's my pick for most fun entertainment.

Speaker 3 I think fun, entertainment, storyline, rookie, stud,

Speaker 3 Dan Quinn, great coach, likable.

Speaker 3 They don't have a lot of stars on that team. Jaden Daniels is a star, so I think he's electrifying to watch.
You can make the same for Eagles with Saquon Barkley. He's electrifying.

Speaker 3 They have probably more stars on the team with A.J. Brown, Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 I think the story of the commanders getting to the Super Bowl is pretty awesome. And then, yeah, I just think Josh Allen.
I think that Josh Allen is a star. The Bills have been close for years.

Speaker 3 And I think they're due, you know, and they have a fun team to watch too. And Josh Allen's just a, I mean, you're, you're a, you're a die-hard Giants fan, but you're, you're, you're an NFL fan.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love to watch GoFundMe.

Speaker 3 Those are probably the two most fun, two quarterbacks that you just lied to sit back and like have a bag of popcorn.

Speaker 3 Like, these two dudes are just like, this is who I want to watch play a football game.

Speaker 3 Because they're a little, they're a little, Josh Allen's a little more reckless, a little more backyard football. He kind of runs around, makes plays.

Speaker 3 Jayden Daniels is so polished for a rookie, but he's electric when he runs like a Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 We'll probably end up getting the Eagles Chiefs, but you know, right.

Speaker 2 Well, I got two things for you, too. I was trolling my nephew the whole game because you know he's the biggest Josh Allen.
I think he's the biggest Josh Allen stan of all time.

Speaker 2 And that would have been my only fun thing if the Ravens would have won. I would have just annihilated him.

Speaker 2 We played each game on madden

Speaker 2 and it played out exactly this way i was the favorite in every game so i beat him for the eagles and then he beat well he it played out to be bills commanders we did not play that game yet but the this past weekend this round it we're four for four and i betted all four ways that the map so i'm guessing i'm guessing if it's a bills commanders bills commanders according to our matches he gets oh

Speaker 2 we're gonna play that probably tonight maybe we'll stream it he of course i yeah he's gonna smoke smoke me with the bills.

Speaker 2 But yeah. And then remember Justin Kroll, who we had on a few weeks ago, who said he had a bank account, a separate bank account with Super Bowl money? I have not texted him yet because

Speaker 2 I feel bad for the Lions, man. I'm giving that for the Lions fans.
I'm just getting a week before I text him.

Speaker 3 I got a couple people. in my circle of friends.

Speaker 3 A close friend of ours, she's a die-hard from Detroit Lions fan, like through and through, lived through the pain. And it was just, I, I,

Speaker 3 they lost, and I immediately thought of her, and I was just like,

Speaker 3 I think I just texted her, how are we doing?

Speaker 2 I didn't even text Crowle Young.

Speaker 3 Whatever she said back, I was like, I literally felt, I felt her pain. I was like, I could, I feel it because it was like,

Speaker 3 you only get so many opportunities, man.

Speaker 2 So, you know what stood out to me with that Lions game? I wanted to ask you about this too. Again,

Speaker 2 I just did a whole rant about the NFL having a lottery. Maybe I'm dumb.
I don't love that the prestigious OC and DC of a team can take these interviews while their team is on a playoff run.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's fair. Why? Because you're the Patriots that you are shittier than everybody else.
You get to hire your coach.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm sure the Lions are not interviewing replacements, or maybe they are, for Ben Johnson and for Aaron Glenn.

Speaker 2 Like last week before the game, knowing those guys are going to leave. I'm not saying it affects the outcome of the game in any way, but can we not make a league-wide rule?

Speaker 2 Like, hey, the day after the Super Bowl, everyone can talk to everyone. What?

Speaker 3 I texted our boy Peter Schrager.

Speaker 2 What did Schraeger say?

Speaker 3 So he said they can do it after the playoffs. Right.
They just wait until the divisional round because then they do it in person. And the problem is, and this is where you don't, the NFL combine.

Speaker 3 is literally like a week and a half after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Maybe in Indy. So

Speaker 3 we were talking this week. So like you're like, it's year-round, dude.
So like the minute the Super Bowl is over and say, say Ben Johnson's coaching in the Super Bowl and

Speaker 3 he probably lined up that interview. He probably knows he's going to get that job.
They won't announce it till after the Super Bowl. He's still coaching.
The next day he's in Chicago.

Speaker 3 He's already gearing up for the combine and scouting. It's just like, you just don't have time, dude.

Speaker 2 I understand. But if the Lions win, Ben Johnson's not taking a job.
Like, if the Lions go to the Super Bowl, the Lions.

Speaker 2 Chicago has to wait.

Speaker 3 But yeah, but they, they will, but, but I will say this, they will already have done all their interviews and they will know that probably they will hire Ben Johnson the day after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 So they will already know that answer before it's done.

Speaker 2 And do you think there's even 1% if it's like a, hey, Ben's like, all right, I'm in. Don't, we can't announce it yet.
Bears are like, all right, it's done.

Speaker 2 Is there a world where I'm not accusing Ben Johnson? There's any coach.

Speaker 2 Are they like texting like oh here's who i really love let's tell the scouts to start looking at blah blah blah before it's inked because i don't know see i know i don't see i i just don't understand why no dude you're

Speaker 2 you're pretty you're no dude you're like these are professionals you are locked and loaded to win a super bowl i i i get it that's why that's why i'm like for the spirit of the game if it were my team I would just be a little bit annoyed that like

Speaker 2 because the whole broadcast too they're talking about these guys aren't going to be here next year and then we're seeing like Ben Johnson throw, you know, I think it's playing the game Jameis Williams and throwing the pass.

Speaker 2 Like, was he

Speaker 2 not that he was showing off? I mean, I'm just saying, like, why do we even have to think that like this guy's not going to be here? Let him enjoy this run.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 everybody already knows he's not going to be there. Players included.
Jared Goff included.

Speaker 2 Jared Goff might not be there. I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 I think the biggest question is just going to be whether, you know, who they replace.

Speaker 2 Well, my biggest takeaway is

Speaker 3 Aaron Glenn. I think, is Aaron Glenn's going to the Jets? Is that well?

Speaker 3 I mean, that's a possibility.

Speaker 2 By the time this airs, it might all be done because we're taping this on a Wednesday.

Speaker 3 I will say this.

Speaker 3 I think the Lions are going to be okay.

Speaker 3 It's a big hire, obviously, to get those guys. There's a lot of great candidates.
The Lions had arguably the most unlucky run of injuries we have ever seen.

Speaker 2 It was horrendous.

Speaker 3 I mean, defensively. I mean, how many start?

Speaker 3 So it's a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 They lost defensive player of the year, probably.

Speaker 3 I mean, they lost probably seven or eight starters, I think, all year. Like, like the whole, like, so they were kind of playing with house money in the playoff.
Playoff is a different beast.

Speaker 3 You run into a team like the Commanders, all of a sudden, your defense, like you have to score 40 points to win. That's tough to do.
So it's not a cop-out for the Lions. Like, it just sucks.

Speaker 3 But to get to where they at with all those injuries, Lions, like, like, the Lions still have a window because I think they have most of their core is back on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 3 They're not going to go through the same injury bug next year. It's almost just impossible to do that.
So the Lions are going to be around, man.

Speaker 3 Lions are going to, Lions are going to be, Dan Campbell's a hell of a coach. He's got that place going.
They're going to be around.

Speaker 3 They got a good nucleus of players, but that was just absolutely heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 We're going to do dynamic

Speaker 2 duos in a second.

Speaker 2 So yeah, my big takeaway is if I had any power, it would be NFL lottery and coaches can't do Zoom interviews or any interviews until the day after the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 I would etch that in stone and it would be, we'd all be better off for it. You know, I'm right.
You want to admit it. You like it.
You like it.

Speaker 3 You might be better off for it.

Speaker 2 I don't think anyone else really cares. All right.

Speaker 2 At the lottery, you have some.

Speaker 3 The lottery,

Speaker 3 I kind of understand what you're saying now, but let's do dynamic duos.

Speaker 2 Dynamic duos. It's time for dynamic duos presented by Wendy's.
Two faves for just seven bucks. Gotta be Wendy's.
Terms apply. Each week, Matt and I, you know, we sort of pick a category.

Speaker 2 We're going to name our dynamic duo, whether it's receivers in football or something with, you know, movies, television.

Speaker 2 This week, I think, because we've mentioned a few already, I think we're going to do our dynamic duo broadcast teams. And there's been some of them have been very vocal.

Speaker 2 And I think we're going to keep it current. We're not going to do all-time.
These are current broadcast duos any sport. Matt, who do you got?

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 mine's just going to be so biased, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 No, be biased. It's our show.
We can do whatever we want. Well,

Speaker 3 I love college football. So I'm going to give my boys Gus Johnson, Joel Clatt, some love.

Speaker 2 Love. Can we get Gus Johnson on the show, please?

Speaker 3 Gus would be a great guest.

Speaker 2 I want to do a top five Gus Johnson call. And like, I want him to hear the call, and I want to know what were you thinking? He's just, no one does it better with like 10 seconds.

Speaker 3 We could get Gus on the show. Gus would be Gus.
You just be prepared to sit back and just let him go for about an hour. Sounds good to me.

Speaker 2 Let the man cook.

Speaker 3 I love, you know, there's only a couple voices in college college football. I think Gus and Joel do a fantastic job.

Speaker 3 Obviously, I'm a little biased there, but I love those guys. I'll give just a quick kind of honorable mention.

Speaker 3 I think Richard Jefferson is calling games with Mike Breen now. Is that right?

Speaker 2 Because I used to love the Breen.

Speaker 3 I used to love Breen with Van Gundy and Mark Jackson. I enjoyed those calls in the NBA, especially in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 Van Gundy's a coach now.

Speaker 3 I think Breen is doing it with RJ. So I think RJ took kind of JJ Reddick was doing it with Doris Burke and Breen, now JJ's coaching.
RJ kind of took some of that spot. So, and RJ's my boy.
So

Speaker 3 as bald as he is and just knowing him how I do,

Speaker 3 I'm going to give a little shout out to RJ. And Mike Breen's the best too.

Speaker 2 Mike Breen, you know, he does the Knicks games as well locally. So he's with Clyde Frazier.
But I mean, Mike Breen has the best

Speaker 2 sports saying word. Bang.
Like, that's he's made. It's iconic.
He's done it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's great.

Speaker 3 You know what? I'm going to, I'm going to, real quick.

Speaker 2 Burkhart and Brady, okay. Uh-oh, we're going to Zachary.
And I'm going to say,

Speaker 3 I'm going to say this.

Speaker 3 Kevin KB is the best of the best. He does our World Series on Fox.
He's filled in for Stone on our show a couple times over the years. Like, KB is a pros pro.
He's so good.

Speaker 3 I thought Tom, and I'm not just saying this, I thought Tom got better as the year went on.

Speaker 3 I think, and I believe he's calling the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that is correct.

Speaker 2 He's calling the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 I mean, I should know this. It's on Fox, but like in year one, which is pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 2 He had such a good moment with the 12 men on the field. He just

Speaker 2 smiled. There's 12 men.
There's 12.

Speaker 3 He's given you enough over. And you always knew like the dude's going to prep and get better.
Like, he just is, because that's his nature. I think he's given us enough to be like, he could be.

Speaker 3 I think he could be really great at this if he just sticks with it for as long as he wants to.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to shout out Tom and KB and then also Greg Olson. I'm just throwing in the fucking.
Listen,

Speaker 2 you're all right. Yes, but, and you should be a little biased.
I mean, you should. I would be too.
If you asked me the favorite best HBO duos, I'm going to say Turtle and Drama.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to say Tony Soprano and Paulie Walnuts. For me, well, real quick, honorable mentions Kevin Harlan signing with Amazon for the NBA, Iron Eagle for the NBA.

Speaker 2 They're not paired with anyone yet, but those two are going to be a force. I love Kevin Harlan, and I got to know his daughter a little bit.

Speaker 2 Look, and I'm not trying to not be a,

Speaker 2 I just love what Aikman and Buck are doing, specifically Aikman in the sense of I do feel like Nansen Romo got so much early love, and by the way, I haven't seen an audience turn on a broadcaster in a way as quick as they've turned on Romo.

Speaker 2 I don't quite get it. They've turned on them so quickly, but I feel like Aikman, maybe it's Brady's involved now, Romo.

Speaker 2 I just feel like he's risen to the challenge and is like, I'm going to say some stuff.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm letting it fly. And Joe Buck has one of the best voices

Speaker 3 specifically for baseball.

Speaker 2 I love him with baseball, but then with football, obviously.

Speaker 3 Don't you feel? I mean, I feel like Aikman, I mean, Aikman's Aikman. Like, he's one of those, he could say whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 I love calling everyone out.

Speaker 3 As I've learned, I know, I love that, by the way.

Speaker 3 Being in media and being in what I do, like a studio pregame, an analyst, all that, I've learned a ton, right?

Speaker 3 And I listen to people differently now because I literally, like, if you're watching actors, you're like, ah, well, I would have, I would have maybe done that scene.

Speaker 2 You're looking at the art of it. Like, God.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do. I do.
I still can separate and enjoy as a fan, but I do look at the art of it and like who I personally like listening to, or who I think talks too much, or who I just can't stand.

Speaker 3 And there's a lot of those dudes.

Speaker 3 Aikman and Buck are just,

Speaker 3 they're just, they're, they're pros and they're just easy. Like, I love an easy listen, man.
I love to sit back.

Speaker 3 Again, I played the game, so I don't need to learn a lot because I understand what's going on. So maybe it's different, but like, it's a very easy listen.
I enjoy it.

Speaker 3 I don't need to turn the volume down. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know.
And they've just been doing it for such a long time. And to your point, Aikman seems a little more vocal this year.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And I don't know if that's just like, he's kind of fuck it.
I don't care anymore.

Speaker 3 Or it's just, you know, like, maybe enough's enough with certain things that he's kind of calling it out because he's one of the few people that can call it out and actually have like some credibility.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 yeah, they're great, man.

Speaker 2 Although, the Brady, the Brady Burke, I mean, that's going to be an interesting Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 And I really, I believe, I think it's going to be a good

Speaker 2 broadcast. Because either way, there's going to be a lot, two good, great quarterbacks, regardless people are down on Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 I think from that, I mean, I just, Brady flipping out over the 12-minute on the field was awesome. It was great.
More of that. Give me more of that.
I love it. Well, thank you, Wendy's.

Speaker 2 That's Dynamic Duo. Two faves.
Again, just seven bucks. Got to be Wendy's.
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Speaker 2 All right, he starred in one of the greatest sports movies, in my opinion, ever made as Hamilton Porter in the sand lot.

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But we'll talk to him about that in a minute. Patrick Rena, thank you for joining us, buddy.

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Speaker 1 Thanks for having me, guys. Thanks for having me.
I was looking at Matt's Heisman back there.

Speaker 1 Because Our Fantasy Football is a Heisman guy. And I was like, I have one of those.
But then I went, oh, no, I don't. That's a real one.

Speaker 3 But I mean, now that we're in fan. Well, one, I'm actually,

Speaker 3 I think Jerry and I are going to start a fantasy football league next year. And by the way, I mean, let's just throw it out there.
Do you want to be our first

Speaker 2 member that we invite? Founding father.

Speaker 2 Let's do it.

Speaker 3 Jerry's a fantasy football hater. He hates it now, but I convinced him to come back.
I'm in like six leagues.

Speaker 2 He's just getting old. He's only in one.

Speaker 1 So I got. Oh, yeah.
I'd love to. Let's do it.

Speaker 2 See, now this is how you get me to stick around fantasy, Matt. We get Patrick in there.
Now we're talking. That's right.
I might be down on fantasy, but I'm a golf nerd.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm trying to get Matt to golf. And he's going to be one of those annoying, like, he just swings a club three times and he's awesome because he's an athlete.
He doesn't know the struggle.

Speaker 2 But I've seen some stuff on your IG. Is golf like a new thing for you?

Speaker 2 One of the videos you made was hilarious where you pulled your hamstring and went down and just started busting out with some moves. So what's your golf obsession like these days?

Speaker 1 No, golf is actually, I've been doing it a long time.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I just took a break having kids because, like, we were just talking about you guys going to the Super Bowl after Matt has his third.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 my wife, like a whole Sunday, you know, with

Speaker 1 like me off a whole Sunday is just not happening. Not with young kids.
Now they're starting to get older. So they can have friend, you know, friend hangs and things like that.

Speaker 1 So I've been getting back out there. But

Speaker 1 I did it. I've been playing for like 20, 30 years or something oh wow I'm not

Speaker 2 I'm not good enough I should be better but uh no one what's your what's your handicap

Speaker 1 it well it got down to about a 12 or 13 but it's definitely it's not that right now that's for sure So I already think the four, so like we got the three of us.

Speaker 2 We just need a four.

Speaker 2 We're getting out there in LA. Do you were talking about our kids off the air?

Speaker 2 We all have young boys on this podcast. It's interesting.
Are they playing some some sports these days? Like, what is their sport? Because it's a tricky thing.

Speaker 2 My kids, five and three, like they play, they love it. They're not very good, but it's a chance to just run around with their friends.

Speaker 2 So I got to tame some of the coaching dad stuff in me. Where are you at with your kids and sports?

Speaker 1 Yeah, my oldest plays baseball, and I just. Tell them, you guys, you have to play sports.
You don't have to be great at it, but you just can't be behind an iPad all day.

Speaker 1 So that's the only thing I know to do. And, you know, he didn't love baseball for two years, but then he got this great coach and great team.
And now all he wants to do is play baseball.

Speaker 1 So that's cool. And then my youngest, just the four-year-old just started, bought a basketball at the toy store.

Speaker 1 And we've been playing basketball every morning, which funny enough is actually my favorite sport. Like, that's the one that I always, yeah.

Speaker 2 Same here, brother. Same here.

Speaker 1 My favorite sport to watch, play.

Speaker 1 It's probably the only one I'm really. halfway decent at.

Speaker 3 I think it's hard, like baseball, because I grew up a baseball kid, a whole baseball family. It was probably my best sport pitching until I got hurt.

Speaker 3 But I think at this age, we all have, you know, we're all five, three, four.

Speaker 3 You have a seven-year-old, you said baseball is really tough for the first couple of years because the game is just, even when you're older, like to watch the game is so slow, I think, for these kids.

Speaker 3 Do you coach your other son's basketball team?

Speaker 1 Well, no, he hasn't started yet. I coached T-ball for my seven-year-old for two years.
But then out, when they get past t-ball, they actually need real coaches.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Like in T-ball, you're just like, starfish, okay, point and throw. Thank you.

Speaker 2 And then like, don't run around and, you know, kill everyone.

Speaker 1 So that's when it started to get real, I stopped.

Speaker 3 Jerry and I have talked about this all the time. Like, what type of coach would you be? I mean, you can only imagine Jerry's a New Yorker, right? So he's just like, like the pacing back and forth.

Speaker 3 I don't really like, I coached my 18-year-old son, who kind of followed in my footsteps.

Speaker 3 He's going to to be a quarterback in college, which is like a super cool, like proud dad moment, but I only coached him really in baseball and football.

Speaker 3 And I've never really been like the yell or screamer, like, hey, I'm going to put pressure on you.

Speaker 3 I've always that my dad was like, what type of, I mean, I know t-ball is kind of different, but I was curious.

Speaker 2 Listen, I are you yelling at me.

Speaker 3 I mean, are you yelling? Are you yelling at these little rug rats?

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I don't yell at the kids. I yell at the younks, though.
I definitely.

Speaker 2 You're working them. You're working on them.

Speaker 1 I got some anger management issues that I need to work through on it.

Speaker 1 There was one game. I still kind of feel bad about it, but

Speaker 1 my kids' team was like the Bad News Bears up until halfway. And they finally tied a game.
They tied. That was the best they could do.
And it was the third out. Kid throws a pitch.

Speaker 1 The other team, he whiffs. And the ump calls game.
And then the guy on the pitching mount goes, no, no, no, he fouled it. And then the ump goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he fouled it.

Speaker 1 So they gave him another pitch, and then the other team came back and won.

Speaker 2 And I was so pissed.

Speaker 1 I was like kicking dirt. They went back and listened to the audio.
It's debatable. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I kind of did hear a little thing, so now I feel bad. But I'm the hated guy in the whole league now because I went for it.

Speaker 2 I try to tell myself when that moment comes, first of all, I'll just be happy if the kids like sports. They don't even have to be that good or anything.

Speaker 2 It's just so we have stuff to talk about, right? I just took them to their first basketball game last, you know, Cavs game. They really loved it.

Speaker 2 But I think I will have more worry about embarrassing them than actually being like a good coach. So that would be top priority for me as coaching.

Speaker 2 It's like, don't embarrass your kids because they'll probably remember that forever.

Speaker 1 For sure. For sure.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it's a great time to be watching the Cavs, though. Damn.

Speaker 2 Yeah, listen, it's not a great time to live in Cleveland because of the freezing cold temperatures. But I, yeah, like my kids are Knicks Knicks fan.
And I'm curious, who's your basketball team?

Speaker 2 Because you're a Boston guy, right?

Speaker 1 I'm from Boston.

Speaker 2 So Celtics?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I've been in L.A. a long time.

Speaker 2 Say, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's terrible. It's sacrilegious to say I'm a Lakers fan, but I grew up watching Shaq and Toby.
I know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 And he was so nice to me. It won me over.
So, but I, like, the Celtics from the Berg days and stuff like, you know,

Speaker 1 Parisian, Kevin McHale, I went and watched those guys. And I still love the Celtics and am a Boston fan for sure.

Speaker 2 But if it's Lakers, Celtics, like we've seen so many times, it's rough. You lived in LA a lot longer than Boston, right? So

Speaker 1 I know, and it's tough for me because I'm on the phone with my family. Well, lucky the thing for me is the Patriots was always easy because we had no team.

Speaker 1 And I never, I mean, the Rams is cool now, but it took a few years to catch on.

Speaker 2 I still think it's taken, it's still catching on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's still a little rough. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I look at it like this with basketball, too. For me, as much as I love watching it, I do need football to end before I could fully commit.

Speaker 2 Because basketball is, it's not quite as long as baseball, but basketball certainly does drag to the all-star break. And then after the all-star break, it kicks off.

Speaker 2 So for me, I'm excited for football also to end because then we get to really nerd out on basketball. My Knicks are finally, finally good.
So

Speaker 2 that's true. I mean,

Speaker 1 it does kind of end perfectly, the all-star break with the end of football.

Speaker 3 I'm just glad you're not a Clippers fan because.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 I feel so bad saying this, but it just is like go to another city already.

Speaker 2 But where are they going to go? Where are they going to go?

Speaker 1 Have you got to go? San Diego's incredible. It's such a great city.
They would be so loved there. And honestly, the Chargers need to go back to San Diego.
I don't get it. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 they wouldn't build the Chargers the new stadium, but I was just telling Jared the other day, I actually went to the Intuit Dome, which we got invited.

Speaker 3 It was really incredible. And I'm a diehard Laker, so I can't, I've never been a Clippers guy.

Speaker 3 I do love Balmer. I love what he's doing.
I love the type of owner he is.

Speaker 3 It was the best in-game experience I've ever seen for like a professional event.

Speaker 3 Oh, it was.

Speaker 3 If you get a chance, I ever take the kids or whatever, it was pretty cool. Just like

Speaker 2 Techner is a great owner.

Speaker 1 He's like the Cuban. You hate him because

Speaker 1 you're like, ah, but they're good owners. They're like, they love the game.
They're trying to to make it better. It's, you know.

Speaker 3 Okay. So my,

Speaker 3 I'm 41. And so I'm, I'm pumped talking to you, but my, you know, gosh, man, my 14-year-old self is like just fired up.

Speaker 3 And I know, I'm sure you talk about Sandlot all the time, but that's, it literally, Jerry and I were talking all week about this. And like.
The greatest sports movie of all time, maybe in our opinion.

Speaker 3 It's, it's, it's withstand the test of time. It's perfect.
My kids, my kids have watched it and they're five and three and a half.

Speaker 3 And, you know, we're all in the same, like, it's pretty much 95% animated movies at this age.

Speaker 3 Going back,

Speaker 3 like, and we're talking about this, like, Ham had such iconic, you know, one-liners and iconic role.

Speaker 3 I'm curious, because Jerry, I asked Jerry this all the time about how much of that, even though your kid was you

Speaker 3 or was scripted, or was it like improv when you look back?

Speaker 1 So it was kind of like controlled improv.

Speaker 1 The director of Sandlot wrote it. He actually wrote and directed Radio Flyer, too.
You remember that movie? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course. Wow.

Speaker 1 He got fired as the director halfway through the thing, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 1 Then he wrote Sandlot and directed it. I don't know why, but he is a genius.
So

Speaker 1 he wrote, directed, and narrated Sandlot. So

Speaker 1 he was also probably, I don't even know how old he was. We were 13.
He was maybe in his 20s. So he's kind of like a big brother to us.
But he would let us riff, but sort of guide us.

Speaker 1 It's almost like curb your enthusiasm, you know, where it's not just a hot mess.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 But that scene with me talking trash to the other team

Speaker 1 on the other field, on their field, that he had a bullhorn in the dugout and he was just yelling. And it was one take.
So we rolled camera for probably 10 minutes.

Speaker 1 Now I realize this is back when it was filmed.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a harder proposition. Very expensive shot.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 he has everyone, you know, rifling through and he's yelling things for me to say at them.

Speaker 1 But then he's also cracking me up because he's like, I tell him if his sister was as ugly as he'd shake his butt, whatever that language. So I'm like 13, cracking up, going, really?

Speaker 2 And he's going, yeah, we're rolling. Go, go, go.

Speaker 1 So that I would love to see that outtake, like that whole, that whole shot. But the improv was sort of like that.

Speaker 1 The fight scene before that, it goes to there where they're on our field. That was all written.
I mean, he fully wrote it, you know.

Speaker 1 And we would change things like you're killing me, smalls, was written as you kill me, smalls. So I sort of like, I probably didn't come out that well.

Speaker 1 So I was like, what about you're killing me smalls? Or I don't know. So there are little things that we added, but a lot of it was written.

Speaker 2 So look, another thing we talk about on the show, because we do talk a lot about sports movies, one of my biggest pet peeves is when you can clear, and no offense to the actor, but you could clearly see they've never either held a bat or a ball or whatever.

Speaker 2 There's that famous meme. I forget that actor, Robbie Amel, whatever his name is, throwing a football and he's like, he has like a snapback on his release.
And again, if you never played, that's fine.

Speaker 2 You might look the part and they cheat around it.

Speaker 2 But what I always loved about San Lot as a kid who grew up loving baseball is all of you as kids looked like you can play and you seemed like you certainly can play.

Speaker 1 It's my biggest pet peeve of two.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, a crazy one, too, is when someone smokes a cigarette, I'm like, you've never

Speaker 2 smoked a cigarette in your life, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the, that was, I mean, they didn't,

Speaker 1 it wasn't like we had to be amazing baseball players to get a cast, but you definitely couldn't lie your way through it. They had, right, they had us on the field auditioning.

Speaker 1 So they, they would hire us.

Speaker 2 That's what I was going to ask you.

Speaker 1 But then all the kids were at a baseball field and they said, the director loves you, but you don't have it yet. You got to go play baseball with the kids.
Make sure you can play and you get along.

Speaker 1 I was probably the second best baseball player. So I wasn't worried because I actually did play.
And I've always been a moderately athletic guy for 5'7 white dude, you know, like I'm decent, you know.

Speaker 1 But Mike Vitar was like, he went on to play college ball or

Speaker 1 and he was amazing.

Speaker 1 Brandon Adams played, played pretty well. Shaunce played well.
I played well. There was a little bit of a drop-off, but everyone knew what they were doing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it sticks out. And what made it work was, you know, then when you come see Smalls come in, who clearly, I don't know if he was able to play as a young kid, but that's what made it.

Speaker 2 Any kid out there who felt like, even if they played a little bit, but I remember those days seeing, well, there was a basketball course. I was like, wow, those kids, maybe they're a year older.

Speaker 2 They're really good. I can't play with those guys.
So I remember being a little kid when Smalls is like, I'll play. I'm like, what are you doing? You can't play with those those kids?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the funny thing is he actually was better.

Speaker 2 He was good, right?

Speaker 1 In my opinion, he was the best actor out of all of us. Like, he just was a trained,

Speaker 1 like, I had never, that was my first job. So I just was, I was going natural, whatever, you know, just trying to be real.
But he was like a trained actor. And he, thank God, because he was

Speaker 1 actually pretty decent at baseball and had to act terrible. Right.
It took a little bit.

Speaker 1 Like, I remember, I vividly remember the director working with him on throwing a ball poorly because he was having a hard time doing it because, you know, he was an athletic kid.

Speaker 3 You said you were

Speaker 3 13 or 14 when that show, when you auditioned?

Speaker 1 I was 13 when we filmed it, 14 when it came out.

Speaker 3 I mean, maybe you're too young looking back, but like when you

Speaker 3 sign on for that show and you get that role and you're shooting it and you're hanging out with a bunch of probably become some of your good buddies and like it's just like I'm just looking back thinking like man I'm shooting a baseball movie at 14 years old with a bunch of kids.

Speaker 3 Like, this is like, does it, when you're done or while you're shooting it at all, does it like say, like, wow, this is going to be pretty special? This was your first job.

Speaker 3 So maybe you don't know what you don't know.

Speaker 2 But did you have a feeling?

Speaker 3 Did you have a feeling?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 No, we didn't know it would be this, but we also knew that it was good.

Speaker 1 Because you even then, you know, they're watching dailies and they're coming back and they're super pumped. And it was my first movie, but you can tell if someone's lying.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've been on movies where they're like, we just saw the daisy. It's so good.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We're in trouble, everybody.

Speaker 1 I can tell. So it was never that.
People were coming out being like, whoa, guys, this is this is good.

Speaker 1 But it's funny.

Speaker 1 So my first, first job was a Nickelodeon thing that I booked. And I went and got like the...

Speaker 1 Hollywood agent for kids at the time, Judy Savage.

Speaker 2 Oh, I was with Judy Savage for like three months. Yeah, she dropped me.
I love Judy. She had Jessica Beale.
That was the big

Speaker 2 name back in the day.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 So she told me, don't be surprised if you don't work for a year or two. And right out the gate, I booked this Nickelodeon thing.
And then my second audition was the sand lot.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, dude, you're crazy. I'm golden.

Speaker 2 I'm fire.

Speaker 1 And then I came off of sand lot, and I think I did son-in-law with Paulie Shore

Speaker 1 later that year. So I didn't know rejection in the first few years at all.
It was only until I got older that I started to live the weird Hollywood audition life.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that's a wild life. Like, that's, you know, I mean, I'll turn it around on you guys.
I'm a huge, huge, I see Queen's Boulevard. I love that.
I love that throwback, but I'm a huge entourage fan.

Speaker 1 And I auditioned for Turtle.

Speaker 2 Did you know that? Oh, no, I did not know that.

Speaker 2 Damn, you would have been a good channel. I was a new New York accent to save my life.

Speaker 1 I can sort of squeak out a Boston one, but it was Boston for a while, by the way.

Speaker 2 Wahlberg wanted the guys to be from Boston. It was our showrunner, Doug Allen, who was like, No, it's got to be New York.
So, Doug Allen, screwed you.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine?

Speaker 3 Oh my God, I'm talking to two turtles right now.

Speaker 1 It'd be the roles would be reversed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I lived, I grew up about two blocks from Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 2 I lived in Dorchester. Dorchester.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 But so it wasn't until then that I started to, you you know, audition and not get things and really see what it's like and kind of come down to reality for a few years there.

Speaker 1 I mean, luckily, I still worked consistently and I

Speaker 1 only had this job. But, you know, that beginning was weird.
It was not like not a normal beginning in Hollywood, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 Well, that era, too,

Speaker 2 I do want to ask some more San Lot stuff, but like we, something else that we talk about, and I rack my brain because that really was the golden age of like the youth sports movie, right?

Speaker 2 Whether it's Sam Lot, Mighty Ducks, Rookie of the Year, it just was this unbelievable run.

Speaker 2 And then, even like, if you look at the TV side, it was all like Dawson's Creek and all this, like it was geared for teens and like young 20s. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And at some point, it all does go in a shift and it becomes 30-somethings and 40-somethings and it comes back.

Speaker 2 But the one thing that hasn't come back, and I'm very, very bummed, and I'm curious your take on it, I'm very concerned about sports movies in general because, number one, the documentaries are so good these days.

Speaker 2 They just are the 30 for 30, all the Netflix docs, they're great and they really happen.

Speaker 2 But there is something so magical about Sandlot and Mighty Ducks, about that nostalgia that you don't get from docs.

Speaker 2 Does it ever come back?

Speaker 1 I think Moneyball ruined it. I think Moneyball is too good of a movie.

Speaker 2 Right, right. They ruined it.

Speaker 1 Like, you can't even call that one of those sports movies because it's like it's a drama. Yeah, it's Oscar worthy.
It's not Major League. It's not Sam Lot.
It's not Bad News Bears. It's not, you know.

Speaker 1 I know what you mean. There's something about those late 90s, mid-90s movies.

Speaker 1 They kind of followed on

Speaker 1 all those Sweet 16 movies. Right.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 The trends.

Speaker 1 They sort of had a bunch of those kind of movies and then rolled into the nostalgic sports movies. So we'll see.
I agree. It'd be great to have another one come out.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So what go ahead, Matt? Sorry, no, go ahead.
Go ahead. Go ahead.
No, I was just saying, what is life like for you, though, when Sandlot comes out?

Speaker 2 Like, I've seen, you know, through my experience with Entraj, it was such a slow burn, right? From getting the pilot to shooting the pilot. You wait four months, it gets picked up, it airs.

Speaker 2 Some people kind of watch it. Different experience, totally.
And you were obviously a lot younger. You were a kid.
That movie hits theaters. Was it instant or was Sandlot like a slower burn too?

Speaker 2 That became

Speaker 1 yeah, it's been a really slow burn because it was a it was a success in the theaters. It made right, I think, I think it made like 40 million.

Speaker 1 So what is that today? Maybe a hundred. Right.
So you're like, okay, it did well. Cool.

Speaker 1 Didn't break any records. Wasn't Mighty Ducks, you know, wasn't Home Alone, which came out a year or two before.

Speaker 1 But people loved it and it did well. Then it left the theaters and it came out on VHS.
And I think it started to snowball because people started buying it on VHS.

Speaker 1 Then it sort of, you know, DVD came out, kind of started to snowball again, had a resurgence. So that first like 10 years,

Speaker 1 15 years, it was really popular and people loved it. And it was a big deal.
But then when it hit the 20th anniversary and it started going to the next generation,

Speaker 1 I think it really started becoming something.

Speaker 1 Now Now I have three generations coming up to me, you know, grandfathers with their kid and their son and their grand, like, and they've all seen it and love it.

Speaker 1 And there's something special about, you know, someone came up to me once and was like, thanks for being in our living room for the last 30 years.

Speaker 2 And you're like, oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 Thank you. You know, so there's something about that longevity, I think, that kind of

Speaker 1 makes it start being mean more to people.

Speaker 1 And it's been a slow burn because of that. Like, now it's hit like new heights, and it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's iconic, it's in the legendary.

Speaker 3 Does your seven?

Speaker 3 I'm assuming your boys have watched it with you, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's not the same, they don't understand it yet, right?

Speaker 3 The magnitude of it.

Speaker 1 Like, I showed him Goonies, and he loved it, and that was cool for me. But also, realize I've seen Sandlot maybe five to ten times, right?

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't, like, just it's not, it's not my sandlot, my sandload is goodies or right, of course.

Speaker 1 So there's so many other shows that I'll show them. I think they get confused because they're like, that guy looks like you.
So they're more into the TikTok stuff. Like they'll watch my TikTok videos.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I was at, well, I'm glad you mentioned that.

Speaker 3 I was scrolling your TikTok because I got on. I'm still trying to get Jerry to grow with TikTok, but you're hilarious, dude.

Speaker 3 And also, the hamstring thing was a trend, Jerry. Jerry doesn't know about these trends.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I did see, I saw the one

Speaker 3 where you were like at the signing, right? The memorabilia signing with all your boys. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How often do you guys get together? Like, does the group get together?

Speaker 3 And is it like time never flew by when you guys are together?

Speaker 1 Yeah, totally. I mean, we're, we're just like, you know, that was sort of like our high school or junior high, you know, beginning of high school.

Speaker 1 So it's kind of like a high school reunion every time we see each other. Um,

Speaker 1 a lot of them, seven of them travel more frequently with each other because I have young kids. I'll join them once or twice a year.

Speaker 1 And then Mike Vitar doesn't do any of it. He's a firefighter now.
So he actually was front.

Speaker 2 He was in. Oh, wow.
Oh, wow. Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I emailed him and checked in on him and he said, yep, I was in the Palisades.
We were fighting it for days. It was, you know,

Speaker 1 tough one. And so he turned into a real hero, you know.

Speaker 1 But so he doesn't, he's kind of like, he now, he kind of quit acting and sort of isn't into into the limelight so he kind of just you know does his thing and of course understandably you know so we will we don't see him much but um how many shows how many shows do you do do you guys do a year when those types of things like the i mean yeah autograph stuff yeah you can do a lot um

Speaker 1 and if i was 20 and single and you know didn't you know like it didn't matter i probably would love to hop in a sprinter van and travel the us you know

Speaker 1 But married with kids, you're just like, I can't be away from my family that much. It's so, so, it's draining and it's a long hour.
So I, I, I do a couple a year, you know. Um, and it's fun.

Speaker 1 It's, it's cool.

Speaker 1 It's cool because you're there to meet people that love it and they're there to meet you.

Speaker 1 And it's sort of like you didn't just walk out of a hotel room not having coffee or shower and be like, oh, what's up? Like, it's nice because everyone's like there.

Speaker 2 It's organized. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's, it, I don't know, it's really special, you know?

Speaker 2 Um, one quick thing for me, because I get asked this a lot, and I started thinking about it in a different way.

Speaker 2 I'll get asked from time to time, like, well, what was your uh, what's your favorite scene in Entourage, right? And for me, similar to you, I've seen the episodes like a couple of times here.

Speaker 2 It's not running on a loop in the house. My kids can't watch it.
They've got another 15 years before they probably can.

Speaker 2 But when I get asked that question, I more go to the place of what was the most fun scene to shoot, right?

Speaker 2 Where I'm also thinking about the behind the scenes, you know, I could tell you, like, my favorite scene of Sandlot to watch, the one that gave me the feels, was the night game under the Fourth of July lights.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's because I'm from Brooklyn. There was no fields lit up.
So I thought, wow, what a great idea of how to play a night game.

Speaker 2 I never played a night baseball game until I was like 17 years old. But for you, take me back for a second.

Speaker 2 Not even your favorite scene in the movie, but your favorite scene to shoot for whatever the reason of what it meant to you.

Speaker 1 Well, it's funny. I mean, that night scene was fun to shoot for us for sure because

Speaker 1 we were doing all day shoots. And they could only work us eight hours a day.

Speaker 2 So we got to stay late. You guys in De Niro, eight hours a day.

Speaker 1 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 1 So he

Speaker 1 we. That was cool.
I would say,

Speaker 1 I mean, the pool scene was pretty fun to shoot, you know, and that's pretty iconic there are a lot of you know lovely beautiful ladies there for 13 year old dudes to be checking out wendy peppercorn she only filmed one day so we were like oh my god marley shelton's coming today well you know like we're all freaking out i mean we're 13 year old boys like this was the best for us um

Speaker 1 and so i would say that was fun it was freezing on that day so that was fun

Speaker 1 of course it was it was 100 degrees every other day but that day was freezing um

Speaker 1 i think think the probably the carnival scene, we had a lot of fun, getting fake puke thrown on us and riding carnival rides.

Speaker 1 And then one of the, you know, that the scene with me and Phillips on the sandlab was originally written for Benny, Mike Vitar. And that morning, the director changed his mind and said,

Speaker 1 you're going to do it. So that was a cool experience to, you know, he knocked on my trailer.
I opened, dramatically threw the script at me and said, it's yours, kid.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, some 50s movie and like walked away.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I remember it like

Speaker 1 feeling cool.

Speaker 1 You know, it was an exciting moment.

Speaker 2 You were really doing it. You were doing the thing.

Speaker 1 I was doing the thing. So I think he didn't want his hero

Speaker 1 in Benny to, you know, say all that stuff. And it made sense.
And he's, so he probably thought, you know, who could say this stuff was him. So kind of that, that was an exciting experience.

Speaker 3 Can we, so I literally, i i put in my notes i have to ask you about wendy peppercorn and the pool scene and you just brought it up the best

Speaker 3 i mean i can only imagine because there's there's a few like because we're all kind of the same age so like that movie you're a teenager and you think about like there's certain movies and tv shows where you're just like

Speaker 3 looking back it's so like it's kind of so lame but it's like oh my gosh it's like the one the scenes that you remember how she was there for eight hours you said that was it one day how many how many takes

Speaker 1 she might have have been there two days because there were a few scenes that she did outside of the pool.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 But we weren't there with her. I remember too seeing the call sheet, and it was, I think it was Marty York

Speaker 1 and maybe Shaunse had this scene with her. And we were all jealous because we're like, we have the day off of filming with her.

Speaker 1 And then there's the pool scene. The pool scene, though, was more than just her, too.
It was, you know, I had my whole walk-up.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, um, and then we're all playing in the pool.

Speaker 1 And then there's obviously the big scene with her, but yeah, she came in this beautiful Wendy Peppercorn, and we're all, I think the director pulled us aside before too.

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, guys, keep your shit together.

Speaker 2 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Like, so it, you know, he knew, he knew for sure.

Speaker 2 That's all. Yeah, I don't know many.

Speaker 3 I love stories like that where it's like, wow, no one's really done more with one day day of work than that like you know that's like marlon brando's superman exactly there it's yeah i mean it you're right i was i put it up there we were just watching uh uh land man right land man's a show out right now with with billy bob thornton and allie larder and allie larder it's like and she's terrific but I think of the whipped cream, bikini cream, the garcia varsity.

Speaker 2 That's like

Speaker 3 one of those scenes that you just like, and I honestly, like Wendy Peppercorn and the in and Squints, right? With Squints was a good

Speaker 3 one. It's just amazing, man.
And I'm like, every time I watch Landman, I'm like, that is whipped cream bikini. I'm sure she doesn't want to be remembered for that, but

Speaker 2 yeah, there's some such things.

Speaker 1 She's had such a great career, otherwise, and so is Marlee Shelton. I think they're all good.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, they're incredible. Yeah, they're both incredible.

Speaker 1 I can't imagine they don't love it. I mean,

Speaker 1 every Halloween I see Squints and Wendy. It's the perfect, like sexy outfit for the lady and kind of not too involved outfit.
Right.

Speaker 2 It's got to find a good pair of glasses.

Speaker 1 Like a hipster in your pipe.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. I want to talk to you about your book because, number one, I secretly one day would love to write a book, but I don't know the first.

Speaker 2 I just don't think I have the wherewithal to do it. But the title is A Little Slugger's Guide to the Unwritten Rules of Baseball and Life.
So it's coming out February 25th.

Speaker 2 What I love before, without even reading it, it's such a smart move.

Speaker 2 And I'm curious to read read it because your character in the sand lot was dishing out advice left and right, whether it was baseball,

Speaker 2 like he really was the voice in the movie that was trying to help smalls along the way, but also giving us kids watching just like a little bit of knowledge. So what can you tell

Speaker 2 us about the book and how did that even come into play for you? Because you got, you know, you're acting, you're producing stuff. Writing a book is no easy task.

Speaker 1 Well, I've been a writer for years.

Speaker 1 No, just kidding.

Speaker 2 You had me. You had me.

Speaker 2 Me too. I was in.
I'm like you.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I'm like you, man.
I, you know,

Speaker 1 I won't say I'm a director because I, you know, I mean, I'd love to direct and I'd love to try it, but like, I'm not there.

Speaker 1 I would never say I'm a producer until I've been doing it now for five, six years. So now I can sort of say, yeah, I produce things, you know.

Speaker 1 um but i writing is something i've never done i think starting with a you know, a smaller, it has a lot of pictures. So it's

Speaker 2 good. I love that.

Speaker 1 It's easier to get through. But,

Speaker 1 you know, the process actually was really cool.

Speaker 1 I, you know, the senior editor at, one of the senior editors at Penguin Random House kind of, we worked really close together. And

Speaker 1 this sort of concept of 20 rules about baseball and also life, it sort of, it was kind of easy for me because it started to fall in place and you realize, wow, sports and life, yeah, you're kind of one in the same.

Speaker 1 Like, life is a game, and you know, everything in sports, all these lessons, you can sort of just learn them in life and don't take things too seriously.

Speaker 1 I mean, in acting, you know, auditions, you got to leave it at the door. Um,

Speaker 1 you know, I heard great advice from um, oh god, I called it, I got Walter in my head now, but from uh Breaking Bad.

Speaker 2 Uh, uh, Brian Cranston. It's funny, I'm doing my like annual rewatch of Breaking Bad, right? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 He was Walter in that show, right? Walter White, sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he has this great clip on something and he just talks about sort of, you know, as an actor, putting your all into an audition, giving it everything you have, going into that room, doing it.

Speaker 1 And the second the door closes, forgetting it because it's out of your hands now. And there's nothing you can do and you just have to leave it at that.

Speaker 1 That moment that door goes, you're onto something else.

Speaker 1 And I just feel like there's so many things with acting in life and baseball and sports in life that it kind of, it was just fun to figure it out and, you know, put it together.

Speaker 1 So I'm really happy how it turned out. And

Speaker 1 it was a, it was a great start. I would love to write.
I would love to do it more, but I'm like you. I'm a little nervous.
Like,

Speaker 1 is my vocabulary big enough?

Speaker 2 You know, right?

Speaker 2 Do I really have enough to say? I think I do, but do I really have enough to say? Yeah, well, I'm excited to read it. I look forward to it.

Speaker 2 February 25th, everybody.

Speaker 2 Matt, should we ask them, do we want to do, listen, we do this thing every episode. It's the throwback three, right? I don't know if the sent word.

Speaker 1 I'm stressed out.

Speaker 2 Well, listen. Well, we could even give you an option.
If you don't necessarily

Speaker 2 participate, you could jump in on ours. But today's category, in honor of you, we're going to do 90s kid sports movie.
characters, right? So you technically are a nominee.

Speaker 2 Although, I feel like in honor of you, I don't want to put you on the spot where you have to give all Sandlaw characters. You could participate with us.
No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 It's top three, right?

Speaker 2 It's top three. We're just doing three.
And again, these are yours. This is not what everyone is.

Speaker 1 Jack Nicholas be asked who the Mount Rushmore of Golf was.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I forget who he said. Ben Hogan was one of them, someone else.
And then he, but everyone he was like, probably blah, probably blah. And then he goes, probably Tiger Woods.

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 1 And then at the end, though, he goes, and I'd like to join them.

Speaker 1 I thought that was a wonderful way of saying you're on that list.

Speaker 3 You're definitely on that list.

Speaker 2 You're definitely on the list, honestly.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to say, I'll tell you my three when you guys are done, and then I'll finish with, and I'd like to join them.

Speaker 2 All right. Matt, would you like to lead off? You want me to lead off?

Speaker 3 You know what? So why don't we do this? Because normally we go back and forth. I'll just give you my three.
Okay, give me your three. And then

Speaker 3 if you want to chime in on any of these. So we are, okay, look, we already talked.

Speaker 3 I had squints on there for the sole purpose of he has one of the great, my favorite scenes of all time of Wendy Peppercorn. We already kind of went into that.
We don't have to die.

Speaker 3 So I'll do these three. I got,

Speaker 3 gosh, where am I? Okay, Henry Rowan Gartner.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Rookie of the Year. Right.
One of the best. I love him.
There was a great run movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah. What'd you say?

Speaker 1 I see him.

Speaker 2 I'll see him at those things.

Speaker 1 And we talked about going to Chicago and him throwing out a first pitch and me cashing it.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. That would be great.
That would be electric.

Speaker 3 So I got Icebox Becky from Little Giants.

Speaker 2 Okay. Good one.
Really underrated movie.

Speaker 3 Good one.

Speaker 3 Underrated movie.

Speaker 3 Great movie, obviously.

Speaker 3 And then I got Goldberg, Mighty Ducks. It was one of my favorite.
And you also, I mean, we didn't even mention the Big Green. You played Goalie, The Big Green.

Speaker 2 Good movie. Good movie.

Speaker 3 Underrated sports movie. One of my, I love that movie.
Yeah. So those are my three.

Speaker 3 I got Squint's honorable mention. I got Henry from Rookie of the Year, Becky, Icebox, and Goldberg from Mighty Ducks.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 So, all right.

Speaker 2 Should I, I'm going to, I, I as well have Henry Rowengartner. Um, I went a different route.
Uh, and look, by the way, I'm using the same thing as you, Patrick.

Speaker 2 Like, I, you're on my Mount Rushmore for the sake of giving people a different look. I'm not putting you on, but you're, you're, you're my, you're my number one.

Speaker 1 I'll be the, I'll, I'll be an honorable mention for me. We'll be an honorable mention for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we could, we could do a top three just with the sand lot alone. I went uh, Billy Haywood, right? By the little big league.
Basically, kids' grandfather dies. He inherits, you know,

Speaker 2 great, great movie. One of my favorites.
And then Angela.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was that? No, that's Angela.

Speaker 2 That's Angela. That's Al's in the outfield.

Speaker 1 The Little Big League is the one where he becomes the manager.

Speaker 2 He becomes, which to me, because I used to think I was a GM when I was a kid. I still do to this day.
I wanted nothing more than to just pretend that I could do that.

Speaker 2 And look, this is like a different, I'm going with an adult for a second.

Speaker 2 You mentioned,

Speaker 2 Little Giants. We got to give a shout out to Rick Moranis, okay, who played the coach, who was Ed O'Neal's little brother.
I just talk about like the underdog.

Speaker 2 They have the brother versus brother story. Ed O'Neill's character won the Heisman Award.
So for me, that gave people like us, Matt, 5'7 ⁇ , 5'0, 100 and nothing.

Speaker 2 Unlike you, who when you were 13 were probably 6'3, 230 pounds.

Speaker 3 I was definitely 6'3 at 13, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 So I go a little underdog with

Speaker 2 Rick Moranis as the coach in Little Giants.

Speaker 1 That's a solid one.

Speaker 2 It's okay.

Speaker 2 It's okay.

Speaker 1 It's okay. You don't like it?

Speaker 3 I mean, he's not a, it's not a kid.

Speaker 2 By the way, it's okay.

Speaker 3 No, listen, you thought out of the box a little bit.

Speaker 2 In my alternate life, I was a 90s sports movie kid because a lot of people out there, if you see pictures of me early entourage, were like, wow, Goldberg's playing turtle on Entourage.

Speaker 2 We looked looked a little bit alike. We looked a little bit alike.

Speaker 3 I still can't get over the fact that Petrick Patrick auditioned for Turtle. That's fucking good.

Speaker 2 If it was Boston, he would have been a great turtle.

Speaker 3 All right, dude. What do you got? You got me? You got me?

Speaker 1 So I'm, here's the thing. I'm not a huge Mighty Ducks guy, but I think it's because there's probably some healthy competition going on.

Speaker 3 Sure, sure.

Speaker 1 Like Brandon Adams is on Mighty Ducks and Sandlot. So whenever the Ducks are around, we'll give him a hard time.

Speaker 1 Who are you going to what?

Speaker 2 Are you going to

Speaker 1 cool? And then Marty, now that he's all jacked up, is like,

Speaker 2 give me the ducks.

Speaker 1 And he wants to void it out.

Speaker 2 That's so funny.

Speaker 1 It's pretty great, though.

Speaker 1 So I will say this from the Ducks. This is my favorite character, and I am going to put him on there is Eldon Henson.

Speaker 2 Elton Reed. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Top shot.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Didn't know what he was doing. I loved that guy.

Speaker 3 So I'm going to put him on. Intimidating.
Yeah. He was great.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go

Speaker 1 Todd Boesley, Jake Berman. I'm looking this up right now, but you know, the guy,

Speaker 1 that guy from Little Giants.

Speaker 2 I love him. For sure.

Speaker 1 So those two were really funny. And then

Speaker 1 I'm going to do an honorable mention of Willie Mays Hayes. I know it's not kids, but

Speaker 2 we're here for it.

Speaker 1 Right? Like, Major League, I think, is one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think I put that as my top.

Speaker 2 I think we had that as my top. I think that was your top like grown-up sports movie.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we did grow. We did like top adult sports movies, Major League and White Man Can't Jump.
Those were like two of my top three of all time.

Speaker 1 And then the third one, I did Dougie Dub from Cool Runnings because I was on the list when I was sent. So I was like, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 I love Dougie Doug.

Speaker 3 What an era. It was such an era of, how, I mean, before we let you go, man, like,

Speaker 3 how competitive were you guys with Mighty Ducks? I guess Mighty Ducks was probably the biggest franchise.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we will,

Speaker 1 we'll mess them up. We'll mess the other guys up.
Devin Sawa and I, we kind of grew up together, and he'll throw jabs at me on Twitter once in a while, and I'll shoot back at him.

Speaker 1 We tried to start like a rock celebrity feud with

Speaker 1 how they do it. It didn't go very far, but we'll mess with each other.

Speaker 2 All right, I got a pitch for you then. Okay.
And I don't know if this lines up.

Speaker 2 I don't know who golfs or not, but I would pay good money to watch whatever your forsome is with the sand lot versus whatever the forsome is, and wherever Brandon goes, it's a controversial draft pick.

Speaker 2 He can go ducks or sand lot. I don't know if the, I mean, I don't know if Josh may not be a great golfer.

Speaker 2 We don't know, but I would pay to watch the sand lot versus.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think,

Speaker 1 I don't think any of those guys golf, which would be terrible.

Speaker 2 You're going to have to carry the team, but it comes down to you, Patrick.

Speaker 1 Or maybe not. Maybe it's just we put like an all-star team together and it's, you know, like random people against my forsome.
And you can be on my forsome. Oh, and we'll just go.

Speaker 2 Fake Goldberg. Fake Goldberg.
I'll be on the bank. Fake Goldberg.

Speaker 2 You're the best, man. I really got to say,

Speaker 2 I can't wait for the book, but also

Speaker 2 sound like, you know, you're doing the dad life just like Matt and I. So best to you and the fam.
Good luck with the book. And come back on soon.
And let's play some golf, man. Let's tease it.

Speaker 3 Fantasy football, dude.

Speaker 2 I mean that, by the way.

Speaker 1 You got, I mean, I'll send you guys my info again for sure.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 2 thank you man appreciate you coming on buddy all right thanks guys what a good dude and honestly matt i really do think like sometimes i'll get asked like uh was there ever any movies you wish you were in or that ones that you auditioned for you didn't get and i really don't have that but if i can go back in time i used to think it was like rudy would be a pretty cool movie to be in because i'm undersized but by the way you kind of you kind of look like you could have played that role for sure that's my halloween costume every year too i just wear a nordre dame jacket and carry a bible around uh but the sand lot that's the one.

Speaker 2 That's the one as a kid you'd want to be in. It is the one.

Speaker 3 There's a handful of movies, I think, from that era, at least from our generation, are like, they just stand the test of time. Like you could, like Home Alone, right?

Speaker 3 Home Alone is that Sandlot, whether, whatever genre or category you want to put in sports, drama, like whatever, like it, it is just one of the greatest movies, I think, ever made.

Speaker 3 And, and I got to be honest, man, like, I don't really,

Speaker 3 I don't fan on people too much. Like, if I I see some people, I'm like, wow, that's so-and-so.
Like, I just like, that's one of my favorite movies of all time.

Speaker 3 So to talk to Patrick and him to come on and like, you know, that was a cool, that was cool. That's what I said.

Speaker 2 Like my 14-year-old self is just pumped right now because I'm like, well, also, I mean, he told us about the heat check. of Marley Shelton, which was Wendy Peppercourt.

Speaker 2 One day, you come in for six to eight, eight hours, and you now have like a definitive character that'll last a lifetime.

Speaker 3 I mean, that scene, all of us in our in your 40s and probably 30s, when you think of Home Alone,

Speaker 3 you think of a Sandlot, you think of Sandlot, and then you're like, oh my gosh, but that pool scene, Wendy Peppercorn, how hot was she back in the day?

Speaker 3 Like that, like, my brother has a Wendy Peppercorn shirt.

Speaker 2 My brother, my brother has a shirt. He doesn't even say tattoo.
That would be a good thing.

Speaker 3 He has all, you know, he has all those old, like, you know, they have all the old nostalgic or whatever. Yeah, like nostalgics, like the throwback shirts.

Speaker 3 He's got a Wendy Peppercorn shirt. So I look, he was great.
The fact that he auditioned for Turtle is still mind-blowing to me. I guess it's just, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 They cast a wide net. They cast a pretty wide net.
But at one time, for real, it was Wahlberg wanted it to be sort of his Boston meatheads, and Doug Allen made it New York.

Speaker 2 But I even want to say maybe

Speaker 2 Brandon, who we mentioned from San Lot and Mighty Ducks, he might have been in the audition. I remember they looked at lots of people for.

Speaker 3 if, you know, like things happen for a reason, right? And obviously you crushed the role. That was your, that you were meant to add that role.

Speaker 3 But I always wonder when I go back to USC, like if Matt Castle would have won the starting job over me. Like it was, it was very sliding door stuff.
It was just that stuff.

Speaker 3 It's like, I wouldn't be doing this. I probably would have never won the Heisman.
I might not ever play. I don't know.
Like I would have probably transferred like things.

Speaker 2 I think about that stuff all the time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, don't you think about it? I think it's just crazy. Like it's like over time your path is your path and it brings you to a certain point.

Speaker 3 But I always wonder like, man, like, what if I didn't win?

Speaker 3 Or what if you didn't get turtle for whatever reason and what if it went to patrick rena like it's just like it's just it's just crazy how that happens a real big question that we could have fun with

Speaker 2 if if we do a trade would i trade turtle for ham like would i go back and would i rap like would i go play ham or well it's different because entourage was 10 years yeah right but yeah you were yeah as terms of iconic i mean hamilton pointers up there so shout outs to patrick rena look for the book again but uh also look for us February 8th.

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Speaker 2 And then, Matt, I mean, big, big weekend. We talked about it all.
So, however, you're watching, good luck to you this weekend.

Speaker 2 If you happen to be putting some money on this game, like we, the Bills Chase, baby, let's go. Got crushed with that commanders and eagles.
Like everybody else.

Speaker 2 Somewhere to. I mean, God, Saquon Barkley wins the Super Bowl.
It's gonna be gross. Enjoy.

Speaker 3 We only got a handful of football games. No, that's sad.

Speaker 2 Enjoy.

Speaker 3 We got what, three games left? Three football games left until next year.

Speaker 2 All right. Have fun, everybody.
Enjoy.

Speaker 3 Picked up a new fantasy football league with a new partner.

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Smart by you. We got to get a listener involved, too.
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