NFL Playoff Breakdown, Ryan Day Seeking Redemption & LeSean McCoy Joins, Talks QBs & CFB Recruiting

So when I'm a kid, I'm like, damn, dog, that's Matt Liner. I always tell my homeboys in the hood, I say, dog, Matt Liner, the coolest white boy I've ever seen.
I will say I got that in the league, too. I'm proud of that, man.
You know what I'm saying? For real, though. All right.
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Matt Leinert, first and foremost, how are you guys doing? You're in the LA area. How are things today for you? Yeah.
It's obviously been just a crazy week here. I mean, I don't words can't describe, you know, it's obviously been just a crazy week here.
I mean, words can't describe, you know, what's happened to L.A. and, you know, with the fires and the families and all of that.
And I'm sure you've seen the news coverage being in Ohio. It's really been sad.
But I do think, you know, things are getting better, obviously, as far as the fire and the containment. So, you know, shout out to the first responders, the firefighters.
They were, I mean, it was incredible, I think, just to see those people at work 24-7 to do everything they could to slow that down. Obviously, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of people displaced, still evacuated, still can't go home.
So I did want to spend a minute just to kind of rattle off a couple places where you could donate. I mean, obviously, there's a million places out there, which has been really kind of an incredible part of this to see the city of L.A.
come together. But to support the L.A.
Fire Department, support LAFD.kindful.com.

Obviously, they have been true heroes in this. California Community Foundation, thecalfund.org.
Money would go to rebuilding the communities and help families kind of get back on their feet. PasadenaHumane.org.
That's something like we have dogs and there's been a lot of animals. So for all all the people out there like you can donate to the uh humane pasadena humane um for the animals and then as you know jerry just a lot of places you go online there's so many drop-off centers there's so many donation centers there's so many different companies and people that have just put things together you know food boxes clothes whatever um and and just continue to do it.
You know, everybody, we need a lot of help. This city, we, these families need a lot of help.
So, um, do everything you can, if you can. And, uh, you know, hopefully we can kind of rebuild the community as soon as possible.
So, yeah, but still, still crazy, man. It's just, it's been a really crazy week.
I also want to point out too, we work with Sinclair. Obviously, Sinclair has SinclairCares.com where all funds raised directly go to support the Salvation Army's wildfire disaster relief efforts.
And one of our presenting sponsors is Cash App. I'm sure today's day, it's a lot easier to get the money to the people in the places that need it so whatever you could do i've been talking a lot to uh our our friend of the show now my good friend max greenfield we talked for a while yesterday he's fortunately safe and sound but he's just completely jumped into donate like he it's his job now he is donating so he's going all the center like if you look at his instagram he's all over the place and i think a lot of la is coming together which is so crazy that it's unfortunate sometimes it tragedy is when everyone comes together you hate that it has to happen like this but i keep thinking in my head you know the olympics are coming in 2028 not that that matters right now because it it does not.
But I just think the Olympics will be one of the best comeback stories for a city. I think when we're looking back three years from now and everyone's watching the Olympics and all that stuff, I think it's just going to be a love letter to LA and how the people came together and got each other through this horrific, horrific thing.
So we're thinking of all of you. Yeah, the hashtag kind of has been LA strong.
You know, when you think of, like you said, it's unfortunate because tragic events and usually things like this help bring a community together. And it's done that.
And guys like Max, and it's interesting because it's almost like I was telling Josie the other day, I was like, I feel like I feel called that we have, we have to, you just felt like you feel like you have to do something. So I, you know, I did a few things, whatever, like any, any little thing for anybody to do, I think can help.
But you just felt like, like, this is like, you know, like this is our city. Like we know a lot of people who don't have a home, you know, and it's like, and there's been a lot of influx of people coming down to where I am because they're trying to get their kids in school.
And like, it's just like, it's, it's very sad, but like Max and shout out to Max and everybody else, but like, you just kind of feel called to do something and whatever that is, whatever you can do to help. And we've seen that really this week.
And that's been really, I think, incredible to see

for the city of LA. So we're going to get through it.
You know, it's, this is a strong, resilient, prideful city. The Palisades community is, is the same.
And, and so, and so in Pasadena and Altadena and all of the other cities that got affected. So yeah, it's been, it's been a wild, just kind of crazy start to 25, man.

Yeah, and this is definitely not a show goes on situation, but we are here to talk about life and sports. So, uh, going off that and we got, we got a fun one today.
Later on, we have a guest who I, you know, well, I know a little bit, but I've been watching him on Fox. He's part of your part of your your fox brother king that the and yeah you some might say in the take universe he is an up and not even up and coming he's established now he might be a heavyweight king leSean mccoy you might know me as shady he'll be joining us later so excited to talk to him and he's great pull some threads on some of those takes but also get his input on.
We got a lot to go with him, but a few leftovers from the NFL weekend and then going into next weekend. All right.
Everyone's always talking about Darnold now. We've been talking about him all year.
You know, everyone has their their take on, oh, he's costing himself money, all that. So something occurred to me, Matt, I wanted to throw by you.
Have you ever been on social media, Twitter, Instagram, whatever, and seen one of the crypto bros when there's a big dip in the market, whether it's whatever, something gets hammered, and everyone's like, oh, it's crumbling, and the crypto bros swoop in and say, you know what? This is a sale, actually. I'm going to double up.
Yeah. So for everyone out there saying, Sam Darnold, you can't trust them.
It's over. He cost himself so money.
Is there a team that might look at this like, Hey, look, he's still going to cost us some money, but we, we maybe actually now get a discount on a guy who just won a bunch of games and looked really good doing it, even though the playoffs was the playoffs.

You're right.

It's a great comparison.

There's a couple, like, big overarching questions

regarding Sam Darnold.

I think when you look at...

Do you look at this?

Do you look at this year alone and the body of work, which was, what, 14-3, and really one bad game

at the end of the last regular season game?

Okay, we can get into the playoff game in a second.

Do you look at a body of work for this year

Thank you. and three and really want really one bad game at the end of the last regular season game okay we can get into the playoff game in a second do you look at a body of work for this year the system kevin o'connell the team all that and judge it off of that or do you kind of go back to the first what five years four or five years and see like well that's that's who sam darnold is right like like that's going to be two buckets in which these teams potentially, outside of the Vikings, view him.
So how do the teams view Sam Darnold? To your point, do we get him for 40 million, which would be a massive discount in the quarterback market, and a guy who now is playing with a lot of confidence and get him into a new system with a new coach, Because you and I have talked about systems and Sam Darnold's perfect for O'Connell. Or does Minnesota just say, you know what? We know what we have in him.
We still have a rookie quarterback in JJ McCarthy who we haven't seen a lot. He's coming off an injury.
We obviously believe very highly in him to take him that high. And he's still getting paid a rookie salary.
can we can franchise sam or we can give sam a three or four year deal at 40 million a pop and still develop uh jj like we've seen jordan love develop i've seen some of these guys that to me is the question i don't know the answer to it but i will say this about the sam darnold situation the saga of sam darnold i we talked about this weeks ago, dude, and you knew the minute that he started just to show signs of being average, the dogs were coming out, dude. The sharks were circling the water.
And that's exactly what has happened. And it happened after the Lions game.
And then we're like, okay, it's one. Let's see how he does in the playoffs.
Rams were tough out the rams dominated them and that but but to me that game and i don't know how you watch that game you're like thinking well this is on sam like the offensive line was at was was terrible i don't think he played that bad in the playoff game but again that's that's the nature of this beast man you're as good as your last game and that's how people are going to view him and it's going to be interesting to see i don't know like i'm curious to hear what you think because someone's going to offer him a lot of money i don't know if it's minnesota or somebody else or the new york giants yeah i don't know uh let me ask you a question would you want sam darnold as your quarterback for new york yes or no i'm going to say no as of right now only because i don't think the the Giants could, with Darnold, be good next year. So I think we'll be in position, if we don't draft a quarterback this year, I don't know if we need the $40 million or $45 million bridge quarterback to hopefully draft Arch Manning in 2026 or seven or whatever.
That's my gut right now. I reviewed my- I want to ask you this.
Is Sam Darnold, and I'm just asking you this question. I don't know if you want him back in that building, by the way.
If you want him back in Medline. I don't know if you want him back there.
Is Sam Darnold an upgrade from Daniel Jones? And again, I know you're going to look at this year, but overall, I mean, Danny Dimes led the Giants. And this is a knock on Sam.
I'm curious of what your thought is as a New York Giants fan. For sure, he would be a massive upgrade.
It's so funny watching Darnold and, who is it, Mullins and Daniel Jones walking out of the tunnel. I just know, mark my words right now, whoever the quarterback of the Vikings is next year, whether it's Darnold or McCarthy or both, Daniel Jones is going to do something for the Vikings next year.
If he's still there, whether it's a half a quarter and injured, like someone gets hurt. It's just the way it goes.
He's going to come in. You're really going out on a limb.
No, I'm saying he's going to come in and win him a game and look really good and start this whole conversation of, oh, well, Danny, Danny, Joey, it's going to yet i think i think fortunately the nfl is not done yet with this guy i think i think the best thing is sam darn and again these guys know this like minnesota keeps sam darnold they offer him either franchising we offer him a team-friendly semi-team-friendly deal you know know, his market, I think, has dropped a little bit.

And you still groom J.J. McCarthy.

And you got your situation.

Kind of like what Atlanta was thinking this year with Kirk Cousins and Michael Penix.

Obviously, it didn't work out.

But that would be, I think that's the best case.

If I'm Sam Darnold, and again,

I mean, maybe you get offered 50 mil to 40. That's a lot of money dude i get it but like for your career longevity staying in minnesota if that's the option is probably the best thing for him with with kevin well that's something else we always talked about too is like are any of these quarterbacks maybe gonna start taking less to stay in a better situation now look 40 million it's not like we're saying hey buddy could saying, hey, buddy, could you make use with this change? All right.
It's not like he's taking that much less. Yeah, but when you dangle 40 million a year to 52.
Yeah, yeah. Over four years, it's what? Let me pose it to you this way, though.
And I'm not trying to be a Darnold defender, but as a fan of a team who, again, I don't think in a million years the Giants would sign Darnold, bring him back to that building. but just as a fan, of a team who i again i don't think in a million years the giants would sign darnold bring him back to that building but just as a fan as a team who needs a quarterback darnold you know came into the league tons of trouble with the jets all these limitations he can't do this he can't do this he can't do that goes to the niners then goes to the vikings now this year he's proven all the carolina first and then that what really became.
Carolina he played. And that really was where it's like, okay, here are all his limitations, and here's what he cannot do.
Then he goes to the Niners, and then the Vikings, and all those things everybody said he could not do, he figured out how to do. Right? He cut down the turnovers.
Coaching, man. Right.
So now the knock is, well, he can't play under pressure in big moments he held on to the ball very like that's the big knock the pass rush was there he also held on the ball and he disappeared in the two biggest games of the year but you're talking about the guy who's already gotten past all the things everybody said he couldn't do so if you are betting on darnold and trying to get the crypto bro discount that, all right, he's going to figure out how to play in big games and how to handle a Rams team that came in with probably a shit ton of emotion and one of the best coaches in the NFL. You're betting that he's going to figure that out, and he's already figured out so much.
That's the case to me of why it's not over and done with. But yeah, it's but yeah it's a it's a but also yeah you could blame donald carbon copy two years ago what happened to the vikings they won a bunch of games and the giants destroyed them up front in the first round of the playoff game it's a carbon copy with kurt cousins who had an amazing year so it's not all the quarterback that's the case for me of how you might talk yourself into taking the leap on sam donald i love sam i think he was i think he deserves to get paid i think he should stay in minnesota if if that option is presented to him what look out for week seven daniel jones comes in the third quarter for an injury and goes for 240 runs for so daniel j two touchdowns.
The third string QB.

He's going to get it.

He's going to sneak.

We're going to have a Daniel Jones one game sighting next year.

He's going to go back up Brock Purdy and San Fran.

I don't even know who their backup is right now.

Well, one other thing I wanted to ask you,

and we were like texting about it,

but I also want to give clarification for our listeners,

but also for the people who love the NFL like me, but don't know the gritty behind the scenes stuff okay i i i won some money on the commanders one of the only home two home dogs uh came through with the rams and the chargers but the commanders were my other kind of i just didn't see i just thought they would come out on top because everything seems to be dangerous man they're dangerous that that play at the end of the game down three right commanders kick a field goal to go up three the bucks are going in they run right down the field they're going in third in inches inches right whatever they're they they come in and there seemed to be a snap count problem baker said hut once no one moved but the center and the center snapped the ball and everybody was frozen and bucky irvin got hit four yards behind the line of scrimmage how does that communication fumbled right he fumbled that play i don't know if he fumbled he just got stopped for yours and they kicked the field goal to tie it and you knew the commanders were going to score after that so we know what false starts look like That was not a false start. How does the snap count breakdown happen at that juncture in the game? So I don't, yeah, so I watched it.
Baker said it was his fault on the sideline. I don't know how it would be his fault.
Which is great because QBs take the blame for everything. You should.
If there's a fumbled snap, I don't care in what situation, who's wrong or right, bad snap, QBs are always like my bad. That's kind of like, you just take the blame.
That's on you, no matter what. And then you could talk about in the film and like, at the end of the day, they know who really was at fault.
Okay. So it's interesting because in third and inches, third and one, fourth and one, fourth and inches, there's kind of two things.
One, you go on quick count, right? Because you just line up, go. You don't give yourself an opportunity to do what happened.
You don't give yourself an opportunity to flinch. You go on quick count, QB, sneak, dive, whatever the play you're running, you just go up there, line up, boom, go get it, right? Hit them off, you know, kind of hit them off balance, whatever.
That's one. Or, you know, you just go on your traditional for one count, whatever it is, and you try and get the first down.
Going on two, and again, I wasn't there, so I don't know. But like, it seems like they went on a hard count, which is going on two and whatever their cadence is, because like you said, everybody jumped or everybody stayed static except the center.
Right. So to me, obviously, that's on the center.
And how does that happen? A moment in the game, tired, overthinking it. You know, the play was a dive.
He's probably thinking he's got to reach the nose guard or whatever it is. Just a lot.
It's just like in anything, like if you're reading a line, you got a brain fart, dude. Sometimes you just have a brain fart and you, and you forget your line, right? It's kind of that simple.
How do you do that in the moment of that game? It just happens, right? You're exhausted. Maybe you thought he said on, on, on one in the, in the huddle.
That, that, that happens a lot. Like, and then a lot of times like, Hey, what's the count? What's the count again? Like a lot of people say that, you know, because you're just thinking about a million things.
So it's just the most inopportune time to have a – I just think the Bucs were going to score there. I don't know what happens after that.
To have a gaffe like that in that moment, man. I think they were scoring a TD there.
They were really rolling right down the field. And then Baker, obviously, great player.
You take blame. And then he had theumble earlier um on the jet sweep that really kind of changed the momentum of the game so uh it was a tough finish for them and um but yeah man i look to the commanders and jayden daniels like they are dangerous i'm with you they're just dangerous the lions for sure because they also feel like a team that everything is bouncing in the right direction, going back to the Hail Mary, everything this season sort of lining up.
And they're playing great as well. I'm not attributing it to luck.
But, man, to be walking into Detroit, nine-and-a-half point dogs. The problem is the commander's defense is not going to be able to slow them down.
Right, that's very true. And let me tell you something, dude.
And again, Jaden Daniels is dangerous. I don't care if he's a rookie or not.
He's a dangerous player. To win on the road in the playoffs against— In Detroit, they're starved for playoff wins.
That place is going to be fucking electric, dude. I'm telling you, bro.
I never played in a playoff game in Detroit. It's funny.
No one really one really did and you're no i know because there wasn't a whole lot of them i played it i played in like new orleans on the road you know domes like that that are just crazy like even in detroit regular season was you know it's it's a fun atmosphere that place is gonna be rocking dude so well but that's an intriguing game first commanders win a playoff playoff win since january 7th 2006 i i was a little baffled who was there who was there let me see if i can their quarterback was that grossman no bear he was bears he was bears can we look up the details of who the commander mark brunell mark brunell wait what it was not Mark Brunel London Fletcher London Fletcher Mark Brunel was still in a playoff game in 2006 that's insane well do you have any idea try to think back I know I was about 26 years old in 2006 you were then 22 22, whatever, 23. What was Matt Leiner up to in January 2006? Dude, we just lost to Texas in the Rose Bowl, I think January 5th or 4th that year.
So you're now two days removed from the loss. That was the beginning of a concussion.
That was the beginning of a concussion for me after... You got concussed?

I had a little too many drinks the night before at the Cabana Club

and ended up, yeah, I think I headbutted my brother.

Are you like drowning your sorrows or are you just like happy?

No, I just was so drunk that I think I headbutted my brother

and I concussed myself for like six weeks before the draft.

So you didn't get a concussion in the championship game.

Your brother concussed you too. I did.
Oh, you did? Oh, yeah. I got dinged up in that game in the second quarter.
Various, you know, a degree of a concussion because I played the second half. I actually was like, I was balling.
So like it didn't affect me, but I got my bell rung. I went down.
And two days later, your brother rings your bell again. Yeah.
So then that night, I was obviously crying. I was upset.
And my college career was over. The next day or the day after, we went to Cabana Club in LA when it was popping.
I remember Cabana Club. That was a spot.
I think that was my Michael Jordan story. Oh, was that who you were drinking with? An Oakley? Yeah, I've told that on here, right? You've mentioned it.
And then when I went to the Jeter, Oakley's always there. And I was like, you know what? This is either going to go well or poorly.
Anyway, that's when I had a shot with MJ. Oakley remembered it.
Yeah, that's when I had shots with MJ. It was like, great game.
He's at the game. Blacked out that night.
And then apparently the next day, the Commanders won a playoff game. They won a playoff game.
How about you? I don't know if the the math exactly lines up it's funny how much we talk about the golden globes on this show uh we were at the golden globes and this is a big kevin connelly shout out right here so not to sound ungrateful but we were now been going for like three or four years and it's on a sunday or monday like playoff games stuff like that i don't know it was this exact year, but this is a move Connelly created that is one of the craziest, ballsiest things. So when you go to these award shows, especially if you're nominated, they put you in certain spots in the audience and you gotta be there for your awards.
The worst thing is if you're in the bathroom or somewhere else when they're calling out one of the awards of a show that you or a movie that you're with, but the playoffs are on and the award shows like three and a half hours and the food is okay. The drinks are fine, but Connelly, we went outside and he is downtown LA.
He commandeered a golf cart and a walkie talkie with the production crew. Our awards were at the end of the show.
So we have to sit there for three hours before they do best comedy, best supporting actor. He's like, Ferrara, come with me.
We take a walkie in our tuxedos and a golf cart. We tell production, radio us 10 minutes before our awards.
And we drove to either Mastro's or one,

in a golf cart in one of these steakhouses downtown,

parked the golf cart.

We went in, had a steak dinner,

watched the playoffs the whole entire time.

And 10 minutes on the walk, he goes,

all right, guys, we need the entourage guys

back in their seats for doing your award.

And we drive the golf cart flying back through downtown

and get back in our seats only to lose to, I think housewives i think oh yeah the they moved the award show to a monday night from a sunday because the ratings of desperate housewives was destroying the actual golden globe award show and of course that's the show that beat us so uh shout out to kevin connelly commandeering a walkie and a golf cart to go watch NFL football. I know you'd say, like, why wouldn't you stay in the Golden Globes? Trust me, the NFL football playoffs was more important back then.
The Golden Globes is like the party one, right? That's the party one. That's the party one.
Real quick, because we can move on. Do you get invited to these shows every year because of just history? Or even if you're not on a show i'm sure power like but like now power never got nominated so that's a fun really interesting conversation with power as successful as it was it's something 50 always said 50 if you look every year at the award show he'll talk shit to the golden globes it's the emmys power not one nomination one of the biggest shows to ever exist on cable television not one one.
Do you get invited to go? I haven't been asked to go in a while. The last time we went was 2016.
We presented an award right around the time when the movie came out. It's been eight years.
I don't know. I'm just a plus one if you ever need one.
Or plus two. You bring the wife.
You would be a great. I would love to go.
I've never been to an award show for that. It was always like the ESPYs, obviously, which are fun too.
But anyway. Yeah, we did the ESPYs.
We had to carry Adrian Grenier through the ESPY red carpet when they said, Adrian, who's your favorite Yankee of all time? And I just leaned over. This is on video.
He just looks. He just looks at you.
I just leaned over. I went Matsui.
And he went Matsui. So he's on the record.
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The Chiefs are minus eight and a half against the Texans. Then you go Eagles minus six at home versus the Rams.
Those are three monster spreads

for the second round of the playoff game.

And then to me, one of the more baffling ones,

and I don't even want to get into analysis.

I want to just get into, if you think this lines up,

the Bills are, as of now, home dogs.

They're plus one and a half at home

in the famous Allen-Lamar matchup.

Does that stick out to you?

I'm pulling these up right now. Yeah, so, yeah told me that i was like really um buffalo and both home dogs by the way to over the weekend the texans and the rams i mean listen it's not i mean the ravens are maybe the hottest team in the nfl right now and they have probably your next MVP again.
Obviously, there's debate on that for sure. But, man, I think it's a pick-em.
I mean, one point is one point. It could end on one, which is funny.
This game could end on one. I missed extra points.
That one is, if that one was like three or four, I'd be shocked. One, I'm not shocked because, you know, that game is a toss-up.
I would lean Bills because they're at home, obviously, in the way they're playing. And then also just kind of Lamar in the playoffs.
We still haven't seen him take that next step. I think the, to me, the interesting one is if there's a team that's going to get upset, it's going to be the Eagles this week.
And I know that's six. I'm just telling you, dude, like, and Philly's been, Philly's been like the quietest great year of all time, right? Like they're, they went for their 14 and three and fans are angry with 14 flying under the radar, which is a good thing.
Everybody talked about the Rams dude coming in. If they make the playoff with McVay, with a young kind of nasty defensive line that we just saw with Stafford, who's a dog who can run the football as well as anybody like that is a team that I think can go into Philly and and not just cover because I think they'll cover the six.
I think they could win, dude. I really do.
Philly's tough. Philly's good.
And at Philly, obviously, talk about home field. But that's the one where it seems a little high.
But if there's a team that's going to get upset this weekend, it's the Eagles. I think that's one, too, where you got to really watch the weather.
I'm not trying to say Stafford has a cannon. Is there weather in that game? Right now, I mean, it's just cold as shit on the East Coast.
You know, really just win. I mean, Stafford has a cannon, so I don't know how much it truly affects them.
Yeah, I mean. But just up front, the Eagles just seem so much bigger on both sides up front.
But the shocking thing for everybody not realizing with the Rams is their defense, I know throughout the season was terrible and like DVOA and all that stuff, but for the last games they've been fantastic and their pass rush as we saw is fantastic so i know that's gonna be a fun one um let me i want to ask you a question is because we're the weekend is josh allen and lamar right i mean that's like someone's gonna take a hit someone's gonna take a hit yep um Yep. I do think a win means more for Lamar for as far as just legacy for sure.
I think if Josh Allen loses this game, I think it's going to be like, you know, whatever. But he's been pretty good in the playoffs.
He just loses to Mahomes, really, at this point. So I think it means more for Lamar.
Is this the... I was thinking about this.
Is this the most anticipated quarterback matchup maybe of all time? Because you can go Brady-Manning back in the day. Brady-Manning, I think, is the only thing that compares.
I used to get really jacked up for those. I can't think of, there's been some fun ones, but this is huge.
Allen Mahomes a couple years ago in that game was pretty big, but game because of mbp and then and then you know just all the bullshit narratives surrounding this like just everybody you know nowadays it's just like you're just taking you're just knocking everything and it's like it's become politicized and it's just so stupid like to the i i tweeted out i was like because these are two of the two the best fucking quarterbacks in the nfl and it's's not close. Whoever wins, great.
These guys want to win a Super Bowl. It's just like and all the other BS.
But I was thinking about it, man, this is one of the more anticipated quarterback matchups we've ever seen. We always talk about which game would you want to go to if you can go.
Although it's cold as balls. If you're ever going to go to a game that's not your team, that you would want to just go say, hey, I was at that game.
This certainly has all the makings. It feels like it's a thing.
I'm not going to a playoff game in Buffalo in January, buddy. You did your time.
You went to Penn State and you went to South, but you did your time in the cold. I spent three or four days in Buffalo.
I had a cup of coffee, threw a couple picks in a preseason game. I'll say this.
Great fucking fans, man. Great fans.
Even for preseason, I was like, damn, this is the hype around the Bills fans. They're real, and they love their team.
That's why I'm a pseudo Bills fan. I enjoy them.
Here's the funny thing that I want to just point out as an observation we're making the mistake that every analyst podcaster fan has made we talked a lot about bills ravens we talked a lot about the rams and the eagles we did a lot even on the command we did not say shit about the kansas city chiefs nothing why by the way i sound like i'm telling you i'm telling you right now. Why are we not talking about the team that's probably going to make the Super Bowl again? I was going to say, they're going to make the Super Bowl again.
I tell you, it's like, I don't know. We got to ask Shady if he shows up on time.
We got to ask Shady. We got to ask Shady.
I just, I don't, they've been playing good. Their offense finally kind of picked up at the end of the end of the year it's the chiefs man like like there's something about playoff football there's something about kansas city there's something about mahomes when it matters the most like that all that cover off kelsey like the classic car and ferris bueller's day off is the ferrari and by the way someone someone will step up because that's what always happens could be it doesn't matter pacheco could go off for too hard like kareem hunt it's just gonna happen dude i'm telling you right now and it's like the curse against all those all those guys are you do you have chiefs fatigue do you have chiefs fatigue i don't but a lot of people and a lot of young people have Chiefs fatigue.
As a football fan, I would love to see the Bills or Lamar make it. Because it's like, how do you not like those guys, right? Just from a fan, Lamar's the greatest.
You love Lamar. People are rooting for him, right? Obviously, the Ravens historically have been great, Super Bowls.
And then like, it's kind of hard not to root for Josh Allen in the greatest. Like you love Lamar.
You kind of kind of people are rooting for him. Right.
Obviously the Ravens historically been great Super Bowls. And then like, it's kind of hard not to root for Josh Allen and the bills.
Right. It's a likable, like you just like the bills.
You want to see him make it because they played second fiddle to Tom Brady for 20 years. Right.
Like, but they pay little chiefs, little old chiefs. And you're like, I don't have fatigue because I just, I respect, like, it's like Yankees.

It's like kind of people have Dodgers fatigue right now.

It's like because they can go out and buy whoever they want.

It's like, I respect greatness.

And I love Andy Reid.

They're not an unlikable team.

Like, no one, no one, like, everyone loves, Mahomes is great.

Mahomes is a great superstar.

Like, people cannot like Kelsey for other reasons.

But, like,sey's an awesome dude

like that's a like he you know what i mean so i would love to see someone else make it but shit man like i'm not betting against them it's like these award shows man how many years i went it's like guess what i can tell you two things that are going to happen meryl streep's gonna win kate winslet's gonna win if daniel day lewis did a movie he's gonna win or Christian Bale's gonna win

this is more like

the pro Bowl voting, right? Not necessarily who's going to make the Super Bowl because that's one on the field. In the Pro Bowl, we used to vote and it was always your top three and you would just see the guys.
It was like, Urlacher comes to mind. Great, obviously.
But it's like,fc brian urlacker one like it wasn't it didn't even and it could have been like someone else had the greatest year of their life and no namer but it was always like the name and and and i'm not taking a shot at urlacker because he was great but that was like you just it was just like never like you actually never really studied it or sometimes we did as players that's that's meryl street right that's like if once you become so iconic and so just like you're great it's just like you could just do whatever and you're just gonna get nominated i wonder if that's how it kind of works a little bit behind the scenes right i think it's like two things one once you're on that level and with acting you you get the better material like you're getting the better movie offers and stuff like that two they want you at the award show they want Meryl Streep there they want Christian Bale there so they're certainly nominated but yeah it's like at some point you just know what's gonna happen and it's like really could they really win every single year and that's how it was even with us with The Office, the show The Office.

We'd be at those award shows and like these sons of – look at Rainn Wilson over there.

He knows he's going to win.

Steve Carell knows he's going to win.

They're show creative.

They all know they're going to win.

It's done.

You guys got hosed.

Nah, it's all right.

It's all right.

We're the Buffalo Bills, though.

Hey, maybe throwback –

there's got to be podcast awards.

Maybe we'll win our award together.

We got to get – get me a ring somehow. Dude, we were – so noon it was actually cool we were nominated for a sports emmy um which is a big deal dude like it's a big deal for you know like for the real hard for everybody for production for for the company for everybody and we lost a game day or like we lost a game day or um uh you know the tnt pregame show well yeah so we're like it's a tough it's a tough crowd but to be nominated was like a cool feeling and for you it's like once you taste it you're like well fuck man i want to win that shit so anyway that was cool but like let's get a let's get a podcast throwback i had a long conversation with someone yesterday uh and they were asking about how you and i came together, and I told him a little bit of history, but also he was like, yeah, you know what, too? Big Noon's so much better than game day.
That's what he said. I didn't even ask.
He's just like, Big Noon's just a better show. Like, if I want to know more, it's just a better show.
So shout out to Big Noon. Get that sports Emmy.
Speaking of Big Noon, no one saw more Ohio State games than I feel like you. You definitely are a buckeye you could be part of the buckeye media with how many ohio state games you've covered professionally the big ones going on monday yeah you and ohio state's favored by eight and a half that's everyone's on them justifiably so has brady quinn driven you absolutely nuts with the Notre dame stuff all i just pictured when they won i'm like oh my god brady quinn's probably texting matt a hundred things right now he's actually you know he's actually been kind of quiet this week he's nervous no i think it's more because he's having his fifth baby this week that's a great reason yeah yeah i think uh i think honestly i don't want i think maybe today it's it's it's happening it's happening very quickly in the next couple days his wife alicia i mean everyone knows they're pregnant um that's happening pretty soon but um i was with him at the orange bowl last week which was a great week right um and we were watching the game together notre dame uh penn state and they won on the field And I actually have a funny video of him celebrating when they won.
I'm going to post that, yeah. He's been fine.
I think he understands the expectation. I think any time you get to this point, you got a shot.
Notre Dame's a really good team, well coached, great defense. And we've seen Ohio State at times just kind of lay an egg and yeah they're they're

playing their best now but anything is possible i i will say this about ohio state and it's not i could analyze the team everybody knows the offensive they're elite ryan day yeah ryan day Dead man walking a few weeks ago.

This could be the greatest just FU moment in coaching history. And I say that because the expectation and Urban Meyer, and we'll have Urban on the show one of these days.
Urban always talks about the expectation to coach at Ohio State. You got to beat Michigan every year.
And you're really, you're really, if you're not a national championship, it's a bust. That's the level of expectation there.
And then the fans hate you, blah, blah, blah. It's just a really tough coaching job.
And Ryan Day has been through the fucking ringer, dude. I live in Ohio.
You do? The whole week after Michigan was Ohio State radio here. Dude, he hasn't beat Michigan in a long time.
I read, but everyone's talking about who his replacement was going to be after the replacement was going to be after the Michigan. That was what everyone was saying in this state.
And then you beat Tennessee. You beat Texas.
You beat Oregon. You beat Texas.
You go through maybe the three of the top five teams. While the other side of the bracket was a lot lighter.
That lighter that's for sure and you you're gonna probably win a national championship it's i'm telling you well that's what i wanted to ask you though in your experience right ryan day he took all the heat after that michigan loss he was dead man walking they were out for his job his throat can that galvanize a team can players rally around the coach who's like the players didn't really take the bullets they did a little bit but the coach took the bullets could could a team rally around that public just shitting all over their coach like could that galvanize a run like this with the most talented team in the country for sure and and one absolutely and for sure the big reason too when you look at Ohio State, they had a lot of guys return. They have a lot of guys on that team that have been there for a long time.
There's some continuity in this sport where there's not a lot anymore. In a world of NIL, they've paid a lot of guys to stay.
And a lot of guys like a Jack Sawyer and some of these, like Emeka Abuka, who all could have left NFL or left probably for maybe more money. A lot of them like unfinished business, right? Had to say, so that's a credit to the coaching staff and the culture.
But like, that's also while I think this team, it's a very mature team. And even a guy like Will Howard, who's in year five and somebody's got like some of their better players.
Like, so they've rallied behind their coach because they've been there for a long time. They know how hard it is.
They know the pain and suffering of losing to Michigan and what that feels like for the last handful of years. They just know, just like Michigan knew forever before that.
So like, yeah, I think that team, we might see a Ryan Day on the shoulders on Monday, on Monday night, I'm telling you. And I know we talked so much about last weekend being unbelievable for sports.
I think this weekend's better. Oh, yeah.
Ravensville, all the NFL playoffs. I think this is much better.
Anytime football's going. Monday night, they're going to go after it.
Good luck to all my in-laws who are pulling hard for OSU. All right, now it's time for our money moments presented by

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Matt, I got to talk to you about some stuff for my money moment. It's a different kind of money moment, but do you want to start us or do you want me to get right to it? Tell me what's on your heart, bud.

It's a money moment,

but it's more of money moment. But do you want to start us or do you want me to get right to it? Tell me what's on your heart, bud.
It's a money moment, but it's more a therapy moment. They're tied together.
You know I'm your personal therapist. And by the way, I'm free, so it's okay.
I'll cash app you some money, though, if I do owe you for therapy. So, you know, you're about to have a third baby real soon.
It's coming up. Very, very happy for you guys.

I can't wait.

Are you?

Are you?

I know, truly.

No, I know.

I've teased a few times on this show

that my wife really wants a third baby.

She knows I'm saying all this,

so I'm not betraying any trusts.

Let's just say she's covered some ground

in the last few weeks of us trying to have a third.

Not that I've been against it, but I'm 45. She's turning 37 today.
Happy birthday, baby. Love you.
Sorry to put you on blast. And for my money moment, I just, after I got past all the how much life will change for a third baby, I started going down the road with my wife because I just don't think she knows of how much it costs to raise a baby.
That's our world. They don't care.
They just say, oh, we'll be fine. That's my money moment because you know what I remember? I remember when they're babies, they don't cost nothing.
If your wife breastfeeds, there's no food. It's just diapers and that's it.
They don't cost anything. But now I got a five-year-old and a four-year-old who just went on a vacation and all this stuff and they're in Taekwondo and basket and i'm like you know another they in private school out there uh yeah they're in like a montessori school so yeah so you're paying kid yeah i'm not saying we should base the decision off of that and i know a lot a lot of and we're fortunate and a lot of families make large families work across all different financial areas yeah you sound like a sport you sound like a spoiled asshole Come on.
I'm just trying to point out my, I don't know if my wife has any idea truly how much we've spent on our two kids. Is that okay to bring up just as a money moment? Is that fine? For sure.
By the way, like in my house, I'm the one that's like, well, yeah, like now we're going to have to pay for five flights. Well, a newborn, not for a bit, but like we're paying for five people.
And it used to be like, you guys know, like before the boys were two, like they're lap kids, right? Like it was, you're paying for you and three, whatever. Fly for free.
Everything is mostly free. You buy one extra seat.
So you have, if you can, you have three seats for four people. Now it's like, no, you got it.
You got to pay for all four. Yeah, dude.
Now you got to pay for five. And then all of a sudden, in about three years, all three are going to be in Montessori or private school.
I don't know. I'm sure where you live, but it's pretty damn expensive.
Again, I'm not crying the blues. This isn't like a, oh, my God, I'm not crying the blues.
I'm just saying, when you do think about expanding your family, now that we get past all the emotional parts of it, which my wife and I have worked with, I'm just thinking about it. That's because you and I think rationally.
It's not even on the table for her. It's not even the thought.
Dude, the wives don't give a shit, dude. They're just like, oh, we'll just figure it out.
Our family's going to be complete now, and this and that. And I'm like, fuck.
I mean it I get it dude listen man I think she's won the battle there might be some news dropping you already waved the white flag let me tell you this you are not alone I'm in this with you buddy I have your back we need throwbacks to continue so we need throwbacks cash app we appreciate you or next thing you know i'm going to be asking you like hey do you need any like comedic actors on big noon i'm gonna be asking you to hire me a big we'll give you a guest we'll give you a guest spot you'll get paid for appearance yes thank you that we're having some good fun but we're all honest we excited for you. And you guys have been some healthy motivation for us to expand the family.
So we're in the, it'll be great for the podcast. It's always great for the podcast.
It's always nice. I think in this generally, like when you have friends, family, friends, close inner circle in the same, even though we don't live next in the same timeline, right? Like that, that's what helps.
Like you just get through it, man. You, whether it's good, bad, venting, emotion, all this stuff, you're just, you're on, you're on the tidal wave together, dude.
And, uh, it sounds like you're going to be joining that tidal wave here pretty soon, which I can't wait to, I can't wait to get that news at some point. Shout out to cash app.
Send, send money quick, please. Please stay on board, please.
And shout out to our wives who will not listen to this segment.

And also a big happy birthday to Brianne Ferrara. I love you, babe.

Yes. Happy birthday, Bri.

All right. Let's take a quick break and then let's get to Shady McCoy, everybody.
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All right, you can see him on weekdays on Fox's The Facility. He's also got his own podcast with Deshaun Jackson called The 25 and 10 Show.
You all remember him as the legendary NFL running back. Leshaun McCoy joins the show.
Thank you so much for coming on, man. Hey, listen, a lot is because Matt, you know what I'm saying, that's my boy on my high school recruiting trip.
He took good care of me, right? But another reason why I came on this podcast, I wanted to talk to you. Listen, I got a lot of talent, dog.
I'm trying to get into acting. Yeah.
All right. And I know you got some connections, though.
So talk to me. Would you have wanted Entourage or Power back in it? Like, those shows are both not real.
Power's kind of on the air. Which show would you have wanted to be on? 50 Cent was always my favorite as a kid I just gotta be honest and listen, I love the lawyers that don't mind getting a little dirty I like power that was always one of the bigger debates is me vs Method Man who's the lawyer on the spinoff don't put me up against my childhood Method Man is my childhood Wu-Tang is for the children, we know that he was the lawyer on the spinoff.
I'm like, don't put me up against my childhood. Method Man is my childhood.

Wu-Tang is for the children.

We know that.

He was the lawyer in the spinoff.

And I feel like Proctor got the better of Method Man, though,

as the dirty lawyer.

Yo, real talk, though, power was like that, though.

Only thing I don't like about power, I hate Tyreek.

Yeah, I don't like him.

Everybody got mad at Tyreek.

Yo, when y'all got rid of ghosts, it hurt me, dog. It hurt me.
You know, people still to this day come up and ask me, was that real? Is he coming back? I'm like, you guys watch the show, right? My dad answers it all day. If I call my dad on his face, I'm like, listen, I'm telling you right now, he's going to come back.
Eventually. Your dad's one of the ghost truthers he thinks ghost is coming back my whole family's in there my grandma she's like 85 she loves she loves power yeah wow i love that but they're from new york so i guess that's why by the way a month a month ago a couple months ago we had we did a pod with the whole entourage crew so they all came back we haven We haven't even put it out yet.
And they made me, I had to read a whole, I had to audition in front of Jerry. We made him do an audition.
Yeah, we did a fake audition. Remember the movie Draft Day? You remember Draft Day? Yes, come on.
By the way, Arian Foster was in that. He auditioned.
Yes, he was. He got that role.
Yes, he was. And they made me redo a whole thing, and they were just kicking my ass in this shit.
Well, how'd you do? You're a quarterback. We're going to soon we're gonna drop the audition soon it's recorded we're gonna drop i got acting credits man i think i was pretty good with the u.s.
you would be like come on you gotta be come on seriously like dude i know man so listen right before we jumped in you mentioned coach wants that too and you know you responded in a tweet where you said coach wants that saved my life my life. He did.
Could you for a second dig a little deeper? What do you mean? He told the story a little bit where you'd broken your leg and that stuff, but tell us about Coach. I won't get too deep into it because I get emotional.
That's like the only story that kind of gets me really emotional. You know, because like so in high school, I'm from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,

right? And I had all the

big scholarships, right? Like I said,

I remember when Matt was...

We're going to get there in a couple minutes, so save it.

I don't remember a lot of that

weekend, so don't get me in trouble.

Y'all, look, look.

Now, you know, man, you're my boy, but we just talking.

And I remember when I'm like,

damn, that's Matt Liner. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, shit.

Reggie Bush, all these dudes.

Let's go. Now, you know, Matt, you're my boy, but we just talking.
And I remember when I'm like, damn, that's Matt Liner. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, shit.
Reggie Bush, all these dudes. Lindell White, they had all nice cars before the NIL was really real.
And Matt, he had a girlfriend, right? I guess it's your baby mom now. I don't know what it is, but they was going back and forth.
I'm like, oh, damn. You know what I mean? Okay, makes sense.
Right? But nah, I was the top recruit. And I had all, what, like seven to eight scholarships.
It's crazy because I wasn't so highly recruited that only the head coach was really recruiting me. You know what I mean? Like I had T-Map was the running back coach, but I really dealt with Pete Carroll.
You know what I'm saying? So I thought I knew everything and then I broke my ankle and then all them

schools and calls, they stopped.

And I was like, damn.

And I remember when Penn State

is the in-state school,

so they're always got to be loyal because

there's other players in-state they want to get

from my high school or around the area.

And Wonsted from Pitt,

he had a big name, right? And he was still trying to recruit me. I'm like, dang, I only got like two schools left.
That's crazy. I tried to commit to Miami just to, because I love Miami, right? All the best running backs.
But they honored my commitment, but they didn't really honor it, to be honest. So I remember I had to go to press school because I didn't want to go to school no more.

I was banged up.

I didn't have no scholarships.

And when I get to the prep school, you know, Wonstad, he was still talking to me the same way.

He said, I'm the only coach.

That's what he told me.

I'm the only coach that has the power to put you in front of the NFL scouts, put you in front of NFL head coaches.

I remember him calling up Norb Turner.

He called Damian Thomason. So he was still selling me.
Right? And the whole time I was like, you know what? I'm going to go to Penn State just because it's the in-state school. And at the time, this is a crazy story.
So when I break my ankle, Penn State, they find out they don't let no doctors do my surgery. They fly their doctor, their team doctor, from their game in Happy Valley, right, on a helicopter.
He comes in Harrisburg and does my surgery. So they're thinking like, all right, this kid's got to come here because we doing all this for him.
Right. Right? So, but I didn't feel like I fit in because Paterno, rest in peace, he was like, he had one agenda and all the other coaches had something else so like small example i just told you i'm a 50 cent fan so i got the do rag on with the coat with the hat with the jersey right he comes in there the coach said hey take take your stuff off paternal's coming right right yeah so then i when i so um i remember one said say look, let's come do a visit and just see how you like it.

So I remember telling my dad, like, I mean, it's Pitt.

Like, come on.

You know what I'm saying?

It's Pitt.

But I told him I'd go, right?

So I go take the visit and I loved it, right?

And Wanstead said, yo, I'm not guaranteeing you're going to start, but I'm going to give you a chance to regain your name, regain your status.

So when he told me that, you know mean then i i get the pit you know it was real you know i mean and like everybody kind of like turn it back on me and treat me a certain way you know wants to give me a chance to regain that that respect you know i mean i wasn't there i went to work you really did um yep i remember my uh my freshman year i started whatever you know like all american stuff and all that then my second year i remember uh one of the coaches he coached in the nfl won't say his name but he said once they came in the first the first day of kent he said all right guys we gotta make some moves because 25 he won't be here long. And I always, you know, thank Wanstead for that because, you know, my life has changed, you know what I mean? And, like, without him, you know, who knows? You know what I'm saying? So Coach Wanstead really – his wife, Jen, great, great woman, you know, they're a good family, man.
And, like, they really, you know, without Wanstead, I probably, who knows? Shit, man. We appreciate that.
I worked with Coach at Fox forever. And I told Jerry.
Great job, too, right? And when we had him on last week, I told Jerry, I said, man, you're going to love Coach, man. He's like.
I just want to go hang out with him for like an hour. He's loyal, obviously.
He's loyal. He's genuine.
Jan is the best. And like, I really, like we really became family the years we worked at Fox.
And we just, and I'll tell you this, man. I'm not just saying this.
Like he spoke probably the most highly of you. He'd tell fun stories and all that.
But you could tell. But he was like, man, Shady was my boy, man.
He's like, if I could give him the fucking ball 60 times a game, I would have put his ass in Wildcat every single week. Hates quarter hates quarterbacks he was like he's like matt you quarterbacks are soft you know coach he's a pit guy man he's tough as nails but um dude that's awesome i so you okay so you mentioned the nil shit okay so first of all i drove a ford ranger at school i i picked you up in a hummer i know here's the story we went inmer.
It wasn't my car, but it was a relationship prior to going. So it was a family car.
We can dive into USC in a second, but I drove a white Ford Ranger pickup and my boys used to make fun of me like, yo, what the fuck, dude? Why are you still driving that car? I was like, I'm not getting paid like some of the other guys here getting paid. Okay.
Coach basically, I quote said, shady.il before nil i remember i borrowed a hummer i don't remember who drove because it wasn't me but did i was i driving i don't remember i don't think so so okay so we borrowed a hummer a friend of mine who i was i was friends with before you know all that was, like, a long relationship. So it wasn't a, you know, violation.

I just, all I remember from that weekend is, and all I tell people is, like, yeah, I helped host Shady.

Obviously, I didn't do a good enough job because he didn't come.

That's all I remember, dude.

So, you might.

What do you remember?

Talk to us.

So, the thing is.

Shit.

So, when I'm a kid, I'm like, damn, dog, that's Matt Liner Liner Yo I always tell my homeboys In the hood I say dog Matt Liner The coolest white boy I've ever seen You know what I'm saying I will say I got that in the league too I'm proud of that man I appreciate you Yeah and We was in the Hummer Right I remember going to I went shopping With Reggie Bush Now we cool Reggie we we cool now but back then I was like damn that's Reggie Bush I remember we go to the mall and they close the store down and they say yo get whatever you want damn yeah that's wild I remember Liner he was fighting with this girl arguing with her all night I do remember that I was with oh I was with, oh, you was with Lindale White. Yeah, that's my dog.
Yeah, they was hanging out. That's my dog.
I swear to God, man, I remember going to Pitt like, damn, dog, we ain't living like USC. Where's the sunshine? Dwayne Jerry had a little Mercedes.
I remember going to, we went to Orozco's, Chicken and Waffles. What's the,

what's the,

the big security guard

and black dude,

Boyd,

on Friday,

on Friday.

Oh,

he played Debo?

He's talking about?

Not Debo,

the other one.

He was selling the weed

to Smokey.

Big Perm?

He's talking about

Faison Love?

Faison Love.

Him, I remember the first time meeting Snoop Dogg. If USC wasn't as far, they kind of dropped the offer, but I was going there.
I can't believe that. If you don't get hurt, you're going to SC.
Easy. And I wasn't scared of who they had.
I see the players they had. I see Reggie.
I see all them dudes. I'm in the mix.
Would you say, so I was thinking about this, I was like because Reggie is what, two years older than you? Would have been two or three? Reggie was nice. He was probably because you, I mean you're obviously a year younger, like you remind me of him right? Like you're the type of game.
Was that the kind of guy you emulated? Yeah, exactly. Listen, I never since we just rapping, you from SC and all that so remember when uh when i went to pit my number was number 20 right reggie was always five he goes to the league he's 25 i'm like yo hey listen hey reeve is left he was 25 uh uh reggie bush let me get that 25 i'm gonna show y'all something hell yeah that, Reggie.
Reggie, dog, like he had every kid in the hood had the whole strips on his eyes, area cold. So that's why I wore 25.
Dude, I still say this today. Like, if a kid, usually it's like, for me, it's like dads.
Like, oh, you know, son, this is Matty. Played at USC.
These kids have no clue. I'm like, guys, you guys know who Reggie Bush is? They're like, yeah.
I'm like, I was his quarterback. That's literally what I say.
And they're like, oh, and then I'm like, they had no idea. But that's the imprint, man.
That dude in college was ridiculous, man. He was the best college football player I'd ever seen, what he was able to do.
It was incredible. Even getting to know him in the league.
So we played in Buffalo together. I was going to say, you guys probably played in Buffalo for a year.
And I'm real competitive, right? I was with the Eagles. I remember we got Ronnie Brown and the whole camp.
I was on his ass just to let him know. You know what I mean? This is weird.
Competitive nature we had. Yeah, of course.
And when we got Reggie, it hit me like, oh, you're bringing in Reggie? And then the other fans, I was like, shit, I'm about to play with Reggie. And that's how I knew, like, dog, this is really like my childhood, high school idol, you know what I mean? Because normally I wouldn't have been like that.
That's pretty rad. So you said you had, what, 70-something offers.
78. Are there any other school visits, though, that stand? Obviously SC, but any other schools, even just the visit, maybe you weren't going to go, but you were like, that was a great, that's a great spot.
I'm just not going to go there. Anything stand out to you? I'm obsessed because I didn't really, I barely went to college.
So I think this is like crazy. How are you doing good for yourself then? That's pretty good, brother.
I'm all right. I'm all right with no college.
College ain't for everybody. College ain't for everybody.
You know what know what this is a crazy story so I go to Penn State this is when Mike Robinson was having a phenomenal year as a quarterback yeah right Mike was nice too and I was this dude named Vidal Hazardson one of the top did you was you no you left before he was at SC I know but you but he transferred but you didn't play well because he was no but I remember the name and recruiting Like they were recruiting him So we there And he's the top Wide receiver or whatever And Penn State was A phenomenal like time And they were We were having a conversation And I've always been like This real honest You know what I'm saying And it's nothing like a It don't come from like A malicious place I'm just being real And we were talking about the quarterbacks. And these dudes are trying to say that Mike Robb was better than Vince Young.
So I'm like, whoa, fellas. Are y'all joking or y'all serious? And then we going back and forth.
And then he shows up. Mike, he shows up.
So me and the guys are arguing and Mike's in there. And he was a super cool dude.
He was like, it's all good he's a he's a young buck you know he don't understand um and to this day we always talk about because it was a rumor that we had a fight which we never fought and uh and me and Mike always laugh about it like everybody made a big deal about it and I was a seventh year old kid just was speaking his honest opinion because Mike had a phenomenal year but this young and you know I was listening to you the other day

on the facility

calling Chase Daniels

your take on Darnold man

I said it earlier in the show you said at some point

how like superstars struggle

but then they get back to themselves

so I would not mess with you

with evaluation man you've been right

a lot

it makes a lot of sense

you're not mess with you with evaluation, man. You've been right a lot.
Think about that for a second, though. It makes a lot of sense.
Everybody's like, I'm a guy who plays so bad. You're not surprised.
See, the thing I like about what people do now is, if you're a really, really good player, right, like Lamar Jackson, and he's struggling in the playoffs, they never forget. They never forget that.
They hold on to it forever. And then soon to do like Sandarno, who's been what he's been, and he plays well, it's like you forget that he was bad.
I just hate that part of it. Because it's so hard to be good and consistent every year in the league.
It's hard. So you mentioned Lamar earlier in the show we were talking about.
This might be the best second-round non-Super Bowl match. Even some Super Bowls, man.
The matchups aren't always this good. And I know you played with Josh Allen.
I mean, what do you... That's the one game I can't...
First of all, the Bills are a home dog, which is kind of crazy. They're getting points at home.
What do you think... I'm not even asking for a prediction, but just how do you feel about this game with those two battling? That's a heavyweight fight.
Lamar Jackson is a two-time MVP. I've never seen him play this good.
I mean, dude looks like Superman. Running the ball.
Throwing the ball. Right? Stending plays.
Winning football. And then Josh, I've been so I named him the franchise when he was a rookie.
You know what I mean? He's a freak, man. Bro, tough as nails.
I know. I run you over over he's always been like that jump over you

I throw the ball

80 yards in the air

he's a beast

and like I see him

like even he's outnumbered

you look at

the Ravens team

right they got like

nine pro bowlers

and Josh got like two

thank you for saying that

by the way to Jerry

because Jerry thinks

his supporting cast

is really good

I like Shakir a lot

I like Keon Coleman

a lot

I think they're alright

I think those are good guys

them dudes don't even

make other teams

for real though

you know what I mean

listen I can't

Thank you. I like Shakir a lot.
I like Keon Coleman a lot. I think they're all right.
I think those are good guys. Them dudes don't even make other teams for real, though.
Listen, I can't debate you, man. You've been writing about everything.
No, no, no, no, no. Like, with Shakir, you think he would start on the Ravens right now? No, I mean, I think he'd be their number three receiver.
He's solid. He's solid.
Yeah, he's solid. It'd be nice to have him with no Zay Flowers.
It'd be nice to have him right now. I'm saying Zay was playing, right? Zay was playing.
No, he's not going over Zay. That's what I'm saying.
It's like Josh loses Stephon Dixon. You still up for the MVP.
You know what I'm saying? That's hardest shit to do. You know? Like, Matt, you'll understand this.
So now that I'm on TV, I watch mad film, mad tape. Of course.
And I've seen, like, when Josh doesn't lose, right, the other opposing defense has played straight man coverage. We just going to play man.
Because our cornerbacks is better than your wide receivers. So that's why Josh got to hold the ball and do all this crazy shit to get these extended plays because they're not really getting open.
They're not open. You know what I mean? And then, like, Lamar.
Yeah. Lamar's great overall great overall, but you got like Derrick Henry and them guys, so I just,

if I'm picking a team to win,

I think Lamar and them probably wins their

overall better team.

I know you've been high on Josh to win the MVP.

Do you still believe he should win the MVP?

Yes.

It's so hard to do the things he's doing

with the supporting cast.

Like I think about if he doesn't play well in the game, they can't win. Lamar plays bad, though.
They could find a way to win. Derrick Henry could have 200 yards.
You get what I'm saying? Like, that's a real thing. And Josh finds ways, bro, he's different.
He's different. Do you think the winner of that game, regardless if, I don't know, what's going to happen with the Chiefs and the Texans, you assume for a minute it's going to be the Chiefs,

do you think the winner of the Bills-Ravens game is going to the Super Bowl?

I can't say that.

All right, good.

I feel like everyone, no one talks about the Chiefs enough for me.

They're still sitting right there.

They're just sitting there waiting with another home playoff game.

It's crazy because it's like, yo, every conversation I hear is Josh and Lamar. Josh and Lamar thinking like yo we got a dude that's going for a three-peat no one's talking about him we got a head coach and he's the best in my opinion of all time and the thing is like it's like Jason like I gotta make sure he's dead I think this might be the year we kill him you ain't getting let me make sure he always comes back, bro.
You wouldn't have told me last year the Chiefs would have won the Super Bowl.

Now, in 2019, right, I was blessed to go back to Andy Reid.

You know, as you're leaving out, you want to steal some rings.

You know what I'm saying?

Hell yeah.

So I got me a little ring.

And I watched him win with, like, speed, explosive offense, okay defense,

Pat making plays, Tyreek Hill, right? All that stuff. Then they moved from that.
The next year, the Robertson's not as good. They're dropping passes.
They still win. You know what I'm saying? Like, they just find a way to win.
And now you get them guys that was injured, Hollywood Brown and all that. They going to be good, man.
I can't believe you're saying you played with Reggie because Matt and I were talking about this before you came on too. So you've played with Josh Allen.
You've played with Mahomes. You had some time with Brady, right? I played with Brady for the whole year.
Brady, you played with Michael Vick. I got back-to-back chips.
Don't count our chips off. I'm never, no, never.
We count all the chips over. I count my beach ball MVP award at the Super Bowl.
That goes on your Hall of Fame resume, bro. That's right.
You're going to be just fine. I mean, I don't think anyone has that part of their career that you could say that you've played a long...
That's why when I listen to you on Fox, it's like, you got to pay attention. These guys play with the best of the best.
It's so clear. So what do you gather? Seeing all those quarterbacks, are they really just different like we're talking about Darnold but like just the way like you said the best players at some point even if they're having a bad run are going to come back to what they were it's crazy how they are so similar but they're all so different like the similarities is like they're they're all three of them dudes oh super crazy competitive I mean's like nuts with it.
I remember being in practice with him and, you know, he's slow as nails and everybody makes jokes about it. Right.
And that shit's funny. And then you start seeing him at practice at the end.
Challenge some dudes to race. You get a fan? That is psycho.
Like, what are you doing? He's psychotic. You're old, man.
You're old. What are you doing? And then another thing is, like, they all, they're not worried about each other, but they all ask about each other.
Like, I remember when I went to, when I left the Bills and I went to the Chiefs. Now, Pat is the big dog, obviously, but he would say, ask little things like that.
Like, you know, Josh got a big arm and ask about things like that. And I leave there.
Then I go to the Bucks. And And Brady, now obviously he's the big dog.
He ain't really worried about Pat. But he says stuff like, you know, the no look passes and this and that.
And he was asking me how he worked and how he prepared. And in my head, I'm like, damn, he's, he was interested to know how Pat is.
And I remember saying, I remember telling us that he knew that Patrick Mahomes was a different quarterback when it was time for him to get a new contract. And he got such a long contract so he could pay other players.
Right. Well, normally you see the quarterbacks.
Oh, you want to give me $50 million? Give it to me. Come on.
Yep. And Brady was the same way.
I'd rather get all my weapons some money because for me to win championships, I ain't worth no money. I want to win championships.
And to do that, I got to pay players on my team. So they all are super similar.
I think Pat is probably, he has it all as far as the talent with the arm and the running ability, the it factor to win. And he's smart enough.
Where Brady, he's so much more smarter than everybody. I remember in the game where we're in the playoffs.
I won't even say which game it was. And the whole week, the coach was saying how, yo, they're going to play this coverage.
Brady has his own little meeting, right? He texts all the skilled players. Fuck what he's talking about.
Listen, they going to play us in this coverage. Where he was so down and dog in the Super Bowl, he went through like, he was at home and did a video on all the cornerbacks, the linebackers, the safeties, the stars in the backup saying he's bad at man.
He's bad at man coverage. He's better at zone.
His deficiencies are off coverage. Everybody.
Damn. So when we get to work, all the skilled guys, the running backs, the wide receivers, we're like, dog, this dude is freaking different.
He's psychotic, dude. He want to play right now, Brian.
Was he – I think there's no argument that he's the greatest of all time. Maybe Pat gets there one day, obviously.
Easy, right? If, they're all different, like you said. If there's someone, and it's probably between Pat and Tom, but like Prime, Pat, Tom, game on the line, two minute.
Like, you're like, I want Pat all day. Or I want, shit, maybe it's Michael Vick.
I don't know. I want Tom all day.
Who's that QB for you? I mean. Maybe it's Josh Allenick I don't know I want Tom all day who's that QB for you

I mean maybe it's Josh Allen

there's no wrong answers really

there's no wrong answers

I think I'll say this right

right

there's nobody like Brady right

there's nobody like Brady so Brady is always going to be

the answer because you see what he does

different teams different coaches

shit don't matter I'm a win

only thing I'll say about Pat and Pat does have

Andy Reid which people need to start giving him more

Thank you. answer because you see what he does.
Different teams, different coaches, shit don't matter. I'm going to win.
Only thing I'll say about Pat, and Pat does have

Andy Reid, which people need to start giving him more credit.

I told Jerry that a bunch, man.

I don't know if he'll be that.

You know what I mean? He'll be great,

but Andy makes it a lot different.

Touchdowns, you score in the Super Bowl uncontested.

That's Andy Reid and Pat.

I would say out of all the quarterbacks,

because Josh Allen is at it factor too, I'm going to give it to Pat, though. I watch Pat, dog.
I'm going to win this game. All right? You ain't blocking up front? Cool.
I'm going to run around a little bit. Okay? Y'all dropping passes? Cool.
I'm going to run. I'm going to score with my legs.
I'm going to throw it to myself. He's that guy.
Pat, so minute left, two minute where it is, he going to find a way to win.

We had a game, playoff game, and one of these, a really good tackle we had was, you know,

sometime, Matt, you know, on the summer lineman, you get a little soft.

You know what I mean?

Fucking 6'5", 350 pounds.

Your toe hurts.

You got to crack.

You know what I'm saying?

Yep.

The tackle was the whole week.

Because the training room is like your hangout spot.

Thank you. pounds in here.
Your toe hurts. You know what I'm saying? Yep.

The tackle was the whole week.

Because the training room is like your hangout spot.

You know, I talk a lot of trash.

I'm in there talking shit to everybody.

You know, you hang out.

Yeah.

And Pat would come in every day to check on the tackle.

Hey, how's he looking?

Is he going to play?

How you feeling?

Ah, Pat, man, I'm not sure, man.

I'm getting a little better. I'm 10% better.

You know what I mean? 10% better. Every day.
We got the Friday. It's the last day of real work.
Yep. The big-ass Tigers acting soft.
Pat walks in there. How's he doing, Hossie? Same situation.
Pat said, F him. I'm going to win without him.
No, F him. I'm going to win with him or without him.
Walked out. We won that game.
That's cold. That's cold.
That's cold. Hell yeah.
Yeah, Pat's a different brother. Well, listen, we talked about quarterbacks a lot, but I came to the realization when I'm looking at the slate, and I know you're the perfect guy to talk to about this.
It can't be a surprise that, I don't know, three of the best, whatever you want to say, six or seven running backs in the NFL are left. You got Derrick Henry.
You got Saquon going. Jameer Gibbs, to me, has come around to lose Montgomery, and he just goes to the next level.
Kyron Williams is no slouch. Yeah, and like this whole, you know, everybody's like, oh, the running back position, you could kind of plug anyone in there, which I think was always bullshit.
Bullshit. It's not surprising to you right there.
And look, McCaffrey was out this year. He made the Super Bowl two out of the last four years.
So are we now back to reality where it's like, no, no, you need a really good running back to win in the play. Maybe you could win some games in the regular season with a trio, but you want to win in a playoff.
What's your take on the running backs that are remaining? No, you see it, and you said it right. We're coming back.
That's why I was so pissed off, and Saquon's my boy. I'm like, yo, man, go get that record because it's bigger than you or Eric Dixie.
It's like I wrote the narrative of, okay, you can can pay the backs anything and you can still win. You don't need them.
But you pay all these regular quarterbacks, you know what I'm saying, all this crazy money. Regular quarterbacks, they pay them elite money when they're not elite.
You know what I'm saying? And I think now, if you look at all the winning teams, they're running the ball. Like, Derrick Henry is a big reason for Lamar's success, too, and the Ravens.
The Eagles, oh my God. Saquon is like, come on, man.
Where would they be? Yeah. You know what I mean? You look at even like Josh Jacobs.
I went to that game. God, he's a stud too.
If he's not even there, it's not even like a close game. You get what I'm saying? You look at the Gibbs.
As much as I like Derrick Goff, he's doing really, really well, right? But is he the same without that type of running game? You get what I'm saying? And now I think it's more of a, it don't care about the position no more. It's really like, we're trying to win.
And I think the teams that are trying to win, they are paying their running backs. Yeah.
And it's working out for them. Would you have taken a knee like Saquon the other day? Would you have housed that call? Come on, Matty.
You know me, baby. I know.
I'd text Saquon like, what we doing? We scored. Like, hello? Dude, that was a 90.
God, man, if he would have broke ED's record, man, shit, that would have been... He should have broken it up.
It might... It probably will never be broke.
You know, I mean, the longevity, like, it's hard, man. Now it's 17 games, but healthy, you got to average what, 160, 170? I mean, that's just, it's wild.
I was with you. You know what? So we had a little smoke.
We ain't no beef. You know what I mean? Yeah, he was talking smack.
My piece. And I watched him say, what did he say? Oh, absolutely not.
I don't want him to break my record. He was like, which I don't think he is.
But if he did, it took him an extra game to do it. So I did my due diligence and my homework.
And I see that my boy OJ, rest the people, it's the same situation. You know what I mean? I'm like, it's bigger than that, dog.
The next generation, you know what I mean? It's a 40, 50-year-old record. And I feel like now when them owners are like, oh, well, we don't even need the running back.
But you look at a guy like Saquon who was in hell in New York you come to Philadelphia with a good team it lets you know okay we could break records we go to the playoffs we could be a one or two seed if we get a good running back so it was bigger than Eric Dickerson you know what I mean it was opposite of Barry Sanders you know in college where Ashton Gentry I'm sure you watched and he was a dog. Did you see that? We covered the Mountain West game, but Barry was like, had the opposite.
Like, man, I welcome him. I would love to see him break it, all that.
And obviously he fell short, but totally. I mean, dude, I think we've said it on the show, man.
It's like the year of the running backs. The running backs are back, dude.
We're back, baby. We're back.
Hell yeah. Like, you were never left, but you're just back.
You're just back now, so. But the respect's back.
The respect is back. dude.
We back, baby. We back.
Hell yeah. You were never left, but you're just back now.

But the respect's back.

The respect's back.

Exactly.

Exactly.

I see what you're saying.

All right.

Now we got to get to the...

What TV show you want to be on, man?

You sold me on your acting ability just watching today.

You're a very charismatic guy.

I mean, we can't pull you off the Fox show, though.

That's a great...

You got a great gig right now, so you got to do this in your spare time, right?

They're throwing the money at me, so I'm going to be there for a little bit. Don't worry about that.
We love you on there, too, man. We can't lose you.
Hey, how are you liking the TV stuff? It's fun, huh? Well, it's hot right now, but for the hotness. Yeah, I know.
But in general, like just being on, like talking the game. I mean, I'm in college, but it's just like, it's hot right now, but for the hotness...
Yeah, I know, but in general, like, just being on, like, talking the game.

Like, I mean, I'm in college, but it's just, like, it's fun, man.

It's good to see you on there.

You're crushing it, dude.

You're doing...

You're so good, honestly.

I swear to God.

By the way, some of your takes are questionable, but it's still funny.

Okay.

I need that.

I need that.

Did you...

We have, like, two...

We have, like, well, no.

We have, like, two minutes left.

I know Jerry has... The take we were talking about, that're like you actually agree with shady on we're talking about boxer boxing yeah did you did you say mike tyson's overrated is this confirmed did you say that at a take or no mike's one of the most over heavyweights so here's where you because you had me with darnold and i'm i watch you when I can a couple of times a week.
And I'm like, all right, Shady really got. So the Mike Tyson thing, you stopped me because I'm, look, I love Mike Tyson.
And I'm 45 years old. So he was the skit.
But I'm talking to one of my boys. And I'm like, you know, Shady said Tyson's overrated.
And he hit me with this question. He said, name five guys Mike Tyson beat.
And I went, well, Corey, Michael Spinks. He was bigger than him.
Come on. Older, Larry Holt.
But I got to, like, four, and I'm like, shit, it kind of, because Mike's problem, too, is, like, he went to prison when he should have fought Holyfield and Razor Ruddick and Riddick Bowe. He dug Holyfield before he went to jail, too.
Right. So you sold me a little.
I'm scared to even say it, man. No, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't want to say it. So my pops, right, let me tell you my dad.
My dad was a big dude. Like, he was big on like, yo, you never talk about something unless you know about it.
So he had me reading all type of newspapers and looking stuff up on Google. Like with my son right now, we were with Paul Pierce.
Yeah. And I said, you know what this is? He's like, I don't know.
I don't know what that is. I said, Paul Pierce.
Right? And he's like, oh, okay. I'm like, okay.
So I said, yo, you can do a report on him. I do reports on Allen Iverson, Michael Jordan, so you know what you're talking about, right? That's so good.
Okay, so look, before I give you my take on Mike, my dad, Magic, and Larry Bird. Now, respectfully, I said, ain't no way a white boy gonna be better than Master

Johnson. Like, ain't no way.

He made me watch all the playoff series.

At the end of the playoff series, this is still

my opinion, I'm taking

Larry Bird. Yeah, man.

This is me. Larry was

a dog. Okay.
So

Mike Tyson, right? We all love

Mike, especially in the black community. We love Mike.
I remember as a kid, the bass thing would be full of a whole bunch of people we just watched in the fights. But then I really looked at it like, who you really beat though? Could you say Michael Spence? Because he was small.
Mike was smaller than... Spence was terrified walking into the ring.
He saw on his face he looked like he was going to puke an old Larry Holmes. He's from Eastern Pennsylvania, so I know all about Larry Holmes, right? Larry was older, okay? And then when Mike won his belt, he fought a dude named Trevor Burbick.
Trevor Burbick, yep, yep. That was a tough guy.
That was the guy. Two, three fights before he fought Mike Tyson.
Do you know his name? Who he fought? Who? His name was Muhammad Ali. That just shows you, you beat an old ass slob in Ali, and then you fought Tyson for a belt, and we talking about you the greatest.
You can't name the other dudes he beat that was champions, because when you fought Hall of Fame dudes like Lennox Lewis, he stops you. Okay? Then he fought, who else? Come on.

Holyfield.

Well,

it was the Holyfield

two times.

He beat him because

he couldn't do nothing

with him.

Holyfield wasn't scared.

I love Mike.

Mike was great,

but when you start

putting out the greatest

heavyweights,

he can't mess with them.

By the way,

I'm stealing that.

I have two sons,

five and three.

Book reports on the,

that's a good idea.

That is such a great,

great call right there.

You want to earn some V-Bucks or whatever things you want to buy,

turn in the report on Laugh to Bird.

I'm a piss-a-fitting dude the whole way.

I love the Sixers, the Eagles, everybody.

And I remember, now I made the report on Allen Iverson, all right?

We went to the game with the front row.

Everybody's treating us good.

You know how it is.

You know, we in town, whatever.

Tyrese Maxey, that's one of my favorite Sixers.

Yeah, yeah.

And he's like, Dad, you like him? I said, yeah. I said jersey we buy his jersey whatever he signs it for him he said how good is this all he's good like Allen Iverson it's all for real all right cool because I made a report on Allen Iverson so he had the reference we watched the game after now my son he's 12 now this is probably like two years ago he's like 10 we we game.
The first thing we get in the car, the driver, you know, we're driving off. He says, Dad, man, you lied to me.
That's what he's talking about. You told me that Terry Maxey was like Allen Iverson.
He's not. He's kind of true.
He's kind of right, man. I love Maxey, but your son's right.
That was a different Allen Iverson's comparison. You can't really compare Iverson to anyone.
I was kind of like thinking of a guard could score small. You know what I mean? No, but he's the best Philly guard since Iverson.
That's probably true. Thank you, too, for talking some hoops.
I'm finally getting mad. Once the NFL season's over, we're going to dive.
I'm a big hoops guy. Jerry's a diehard Knicks fan, man.
Knicks, they slowly getting there, though, dog. Figuring it out.
It's like two steps forward, then a few steps back. I'm working on a...
You're in L.A. full-time now, right? Or at least doing the show? Yeah, for the most part.
Yeah, have you been to Intuit Dome yet? For the Clippers? The new Clippers, the new arena? Oh, I didn't go there yet.

So I'm working on,

I got a nice setup

for Knicks.

Knicks come

to the Clippers

in March.

We'll go.

It's like a courtside,

it's ridiculous.

You know,

the Clippers,

James Harden,

he got mad at me

because I said some takes

about him.

So it's like,

I'm trying to...

Don't you stop.

Don't you stop.

I'm a Lakers fan,

but the experience, dude, it's... I was actually, I was with Gurley.
Todd Gurley was right there. I was with Timmy the other night.
Yeah. Ask him about it.
He goes to a couple games. So it was incredible.
So... Oh, let's do it.
Let's do it. Hey, we appreciate you coming on, man.
Yeah, I can't wait to... Listen, keep doing your thing.
I'll be watching, man. Honestly, you're someone I'm, like, must-see for me on Fox.
you're doing a great job so keep it up and thank you for coming on and uh enjoy enjoy the games man it's gonna be a good weekend i'm gonna find out what's up appreciate y'all man thanks so much all right now it's time for dynamic duos presented by wendy's two faves for just seven bucks gotta be wendy's terms apply this is where each week Matt and I are going to target our favorite duos, whether in sports or entertainment. Obviously, tis the season for the NFL playoffs.
We are going to do our favorite duos left in the postseason. Okay? And there's, you look at all the games, there's quite a few directions to go.
Matt, do you want to go first? Yeah, I'm curious to see where you go with this. I have no idea what you're going to say.
I think there's obvious ones, like Lamar and Derrick Henry, right? Yeah. There's obvious.
I'm going, maybe you have the same. I'm going with Jared, and not necessarily my favorite, but I think most on the line, Jared Goff and Ben Johnson.
Oh, okay. You went non-player.
I like what you did there. So just real quick, like obviously the lines and the offense, right? This is the number one scoring offense in the NFL.
Shaky defense a little bit just because the injuries and everything that's happened, although they're still playing pretty good. Since Ben Johnson became the OC, Goff has the most passing yards and the most touchdowns in the NFL.
96 touchdowns, almost 14,000 yards passing since Ben Johnson, right? This is the last time these two are going to be together because Ben Johnson's getting a head coaching job this time. He turned it down last year.
He's gone. He's going somewhere.
There's no doubt. He's probably the number one candidate out there for most teams, in my opinion.
Maybe McCarthy now, but I would say Ben Johnson. Look, I think the biggest thing is this team is the best team in the NFL.
Windows close real fast in the NFL, outside of the Chiefs and the Patriots, right? Windows close. Jared Goff, right, has a chance to elevate his status

as probably a Hall of Famer if he wins a Super Bowl.

I mean, his numbers are great.

He's won a lot of games.

He's been to a Super Bowl.

He can kind of get that monkey off his back.

I just think there's a lot at stake for the Lions

as the number one team going into the playoffs.

You're going to lose both coordinators. Aaron Glenn's gone, too.
you're going to lose both coordinator Aaron Glenn's gone too you're going to lose both coordinators your quarterback is playing well is this the year they finally do it with those with those guys I love that one I love that you went non-player I wasn't even thinking in that direction that's a great one who you got I I didn't want to do the popular choice but how it it just is Lamar and Derek Henry. Oh, you did do it.
It's been the most potent one-two punch, but the exercise of how I came up with this was fun because every team has their own version of a duo except the Bills and the Chiefs, right? Who's the duo for Allen? We talk all the time. We argue, oh, he doesn't it's true well you talk about james you talk about james cook cook but but there's no one on that team that every week you're like i think i think you're i think you could be afraid of james cook at times he's a good player but like sure but it's not derrick henry or saquon barkley level and then similarly with mahomes it's still to be seen right and like we said earlier in show, it could be anyone at any time.
That's how dangerous they could be. It could be Kelsey.
Andy Reid and Mahomes. Or Kelsey in the playoffs, yeah.
But it's Lamar and Henry. I tried to talk myself into how fun Stroud and Nico Collins are.
And that's a lot of fun, but I can't. Stafford and Puka tried to talk myself into it.
I don't know how well they're going to be able to. You can do Hertz and Barkley.
Well, that maybe Hertz and A.J. Brown like they're going to have to throw the ball.
I mean, who knows? I try and then really I love the way the ends played for the Texans. I almost went that direction because they single-handedly broke the Chargers brains, but it's Lamar and Derrick Henry.
It's cut and dry. If they're going to do anything, that's the duo left.
That's going to carry them to a Superbowl. So shout outs to Wendy's.
That's our dynamic duo. And now we're moving on to throwback three, which, uh, this is a fun one for you for sure.
For me, it, I had to do a little digging. We're going to do our throwback three, our all-time greatest college football teams.
And I'll just tell you off the bat, for me, no disrespect. If I did not watch even a little bit, I can't put you in there.
I know there's some great Oklahoma teams from God knows when, and I just can't do it. So no disrespect to the truly old, old, old.
There's a lot of debate about this and this is a great one because i i think you could argue i'm with you like you can go back to some of the best ones in the 70s and 80s and 60s and um again i just like some of the usc teams in the 70s were some of the best of all time um i just i didn't i didn't watch them like them like you, you know, even in the eighties. So, and there, there's, there's also this, this narrative of everyone compares, oh, well, they were, and I would put myself in that category.
It's like great in college, average in the NFL. We are talking college.
Okay. We aren't talking, oh, well, they did this and then their hall of famers in the NFL.
It doesn't to me it doesn't matter that that's why it's always like who's the greatest quarterback of all time in college but a lot of those guys happen to be good in the nfl too so it's like it's just it's just one so that argument's fucking bullshit okay but i'm just gonna start here i'm gonna start with number three go ahead. Hell yeah.
That was my boy. Coach O was the head coach.
I got this. I got some notes here.
Just real quick, dude. I'm just going to rattle off this offense.
Because honestly, their defense was kind of shit that year. It wasn't great.
That's not like a complete team, but their offense was so good. Burrow, Clyde Edwards-Alaire, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson.
Sick. Defense, they did have a couple dudes.
Derek Stingley Jr. was a dude.
Patrick Queen and Grant Delpit. Overall, their defense wasn't great.
I think they were like 30th or 40th or something, 50th, something like that total defense. That was one of the more fun teams.
I was covering college football then, not the SE. One of the more fun teams to watch.
It was just like they didn't need a defense. They could have probably beaten teams without a defense.
That's how fun and how good they were. Ran the table in the SEC, won a national championship.
Burrow wins a Heisman. Coach O, who I love, gets the trophy.
That team is one of the best of all do it. That's my number three as well.
worried we're gonna have some overlap i don't care you know i tried to talk myself into oh was the trevor lawrence clemson team no no couldn't do i tried to talk myself into some others as so clearly one of the three best college teams of all time if you're of our generation uh all right number two i wonder if we're gonna overlap the whole overlap the whole way. So that's your number three.
I mean, are we going Miami? I'm going 2001. So go get, I mean, look at 2001.
Hurricanes. I mean, you just want to talk about beasts all over the field.
Obviously Ken Dorsey won the Maxwell award, Clinton Portis, 1200 yards200 yards on the ground. And then, of course, we'd be remiss not to mention, for me, my favorite defensive back of all time, Ed Reed.
He's like an adjective. We describe things.
Like, if someone makes any kind of a play, it's like, oh, wow, you just played – you're Ed Reed in it. You just did an Ed Reed.
So that team – Dude, listen to this, okay? 38 future NFL draft picks, 17 future first-rounders.

Okay, Dorsey, Portis.

17 first-rounders.

Wow.

Andre Johnson, Jeremy Shockey, Vilma, Bryant McKinney, Buchanan.

These guys were on the bench.

That's an NFL team.

And this is the argument.

They were on the bench.

But by the way, on the bench, they didn't play. So Willis McGahee and Frank Gore.
Oh, my God. Helen Winslow, the late Sean Taylor, who I came out of high school with.
Vince Wilfork, my boy. We just got into the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame together.
And Antrell Roll, who I played with, who was a first-rounder, I believe. Arizona, yeah.
Arizona, who's one of my dogs i love that guy that team that's sick man is the most stacked team i would say of all time

um but shit man you know where i'm gonna go you gotta go and you know what i don't call me a homer

all you want call it uh favoritism from my boy but number one i'm with you i'm gonna clear the

decks for you because we are aligned on number one. Talk your shit, Matt Liner.
Talk your shit. The only team to go wire to wire, number one, 2004 only, I believe.
I saw that kind of stat pop up this year during the season. 2004 USC, okay i could talk about us for fucking an hour dominant defense pretty dominant offense even though we were young and by the way we didn't even have mike williams that year remember big old mike he decided to say f the ncaa and pull maurice claret i'm gonna leave early and then he didn't and we were like no don't leave us dude that's right you didn't have mike williams, no, don't leave us, dude.
That's right. You didn't have Mike Williams.

Dude, Mike Williams was the most dominant,

arguably the most dominant player in that era,

physically dominant.

And anyone would say the same.

We beat Jason White, who'd won the Heisman, Adrian Peterson, who was a freak,

by 40 points, 36 points,

in the national championship game.

I would say, and I don't know, but you can quote quote me maybe the most lopsided national championship game of all time probably maybe we could look that up really quick it's gotta be up there but it had to be the most dominant definitely of modern day of modern day for sure shout out to some of my boys on defense some people are gonna be like who the fuck are these guys matt grudy good i don't care he up for the buck. His Lofa Tatupu played in Seattle for a long time.
Great player. Sean Cody, great player.
Played for the Houston. Steve Smitty, your boy for the Giants.
Dwayne Jarrett, Lindell, and Reggie, obviously. Those guys combined for over 2,500 yards from scrimmage that year.
I mean, I can go on and on. Any time.
What it must have been like, though, to get into that huddle and just look at those other faces you just mentioned. We had a great offensive line.
Ryan Khalil, my center, who's going to be a Hall of Famer. You'd say anytime, anyplace, put us up against any team.
Yeah, dude, because that's my squad. By the way, I have this conversation ever when I ever see Marcus Spears because the year before, Marcus Spe was at LSU and we shared we shared the title they want they they were in the national championship game we got hosed by the BCS bullshit because Oklahoma lost to Kansas State and Darren Sproles but still made it we beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl so we got a share of uh we had like the AP poll or something we got to share but I still tell him to this day, bro, let's go in the backyard.
We just laugh about it.

But listen, man, like I think based on our performance,

number one the whole year, we played some good teams that year,

beat Notre Dame, Virginia Tech to kick off the season,

and then just the most dominant performance in championship game history.

All right, well, let's land the plane right here.

Ohio State, this year's Ohio State going up against.

My hamstring is cramping right now.

Really bad.

Fuck, that's because I'm old.

Okay, keep going.

You're washed.

No, this year's breathe through the cramp while you think about.

I got this.

Oh, Georgia, TCU.

Yeah, fuck.

That doesn't count, though.

Ohio State this year, as hot as they are right now,

against that USC team, what's the final score? Final score? Yeah, how much you beat in the bye? That'll be a little closer to our game against Texas. That was 41-38.
I think that'd be a high-scoring game. So it's a shootout.
It's a shootout, but we win. One possession win? Yeah.
Ohio State's nice. right so we're getting so hold on really quick i've got to say this the three biggest deficits right top three biggest blowouts in natty history georgia beat tcu yeah yeah that one's a little that you could put an asterisk by that though uh alabama over ohio state by 28 and 2020 and what what's the third? Yeah, I remember that one.

Ours is probably the third.

Anyway.

You have to lock down.

Who's locking down some of them Ohio State receivers?

Dude, we got Pete Carroll running the defense, bro.

We're good.

All right.

Well, it is going to be a fun week for sure.

Everybody enjoy.

And again, shout out to everyone in la please stay safe

and uh do what you can to help out over there and uh another good show in the books we're gonna

come back next week and there's gonna be everything's gonna be different everything's

gonna be different i know enjoy the weekend everyone yes