Wildcard Weekend Preview, NFL Predictions Revisited & Storytime with Dave Wannstedt

Speaker 1 we ever find out with Turtle how he made his money? It was a tequila, right? But did we ever really know?

Speaker 2 We don't know. We never knew how much he actually made.
No one knows. He definitely has more money than Vince.
And I'm convinced right now, if we ever do the reboot, Turtle's broke now.

Speaker 2 All right. Welcome to another episode of Throwbacks.
It's kind of a road game.

Speaker 1 Road trip, baby.

Speaker 2 It's a road trip for your boys. Matt, I'm not, I don't see the same Manhattan Beach garage set up with the cash app sign.
Where are you?

Speaker 1 Well, dude, we're actually pretty close to each other.

Speaker 1 I'm in Miami.

Speaker 1 I've been in Miami all week for the Orange Bowl that is going to be played

Speaker 1 tonight, Penn State, Notre Dame. So I got inducted into the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame, man.

Speaker 1 And honestly, I just, I want to shout out,

Speaker 1 you know, my teammates, but I also want to just shout out the Oklahoma fans, you know, who just absolutely freaking love me online. Shout out to the Sooners, Boomer Sooner.

Speaker 1 We whooped that ass about 20 years ago, 5519 right here down the street. But yeah, in Miami this week,

Speaker 1 a little bit of a vacation, but you're on a family vacation, dude.

Speaker 1 Where are you, by the way? You look like you're in a fucking phone booth, bro. What are you doing?

Speaker 2 One of us is getting inducted into a hall of fame while the other is putting on a hall of fame dad performance in

Speaker 2 Kid Water Park down in Baja Mar in the Bahamas.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm in my room. So the back drop, you don't want to see the other side of this.

Speaker 1 It's just well, my room's super dark, but whatever.

Speaker 2 Yes, but I am looking out at the ocean. This is the same place where Derek Jeter, I've talked about that golf tournament where he has that golf tournament.

Speaker 2 Let me just say, it's a little different being down here with kids when it's just usually brie and i walking around hank partying with johnny damon and now i'm in bed by nine o'clock so uh how many times how many times have you been down the water the water slide it's the best it's the best there's there's a there's an adult part that i keep sneaking off to like where did where did dad go i keep going on this one slide that's adults only it's i'm gonna go get a coffee and i come back a half hour later soaking wet

Speaker 1 My boy was in Arizona this week and they had one of the hotels had a big water slide, and he got a, he had a sinus infection. And he was telling me his wife was all like giving him shit for snoring.

Speaker 1 And he's like, he's like, the other night, because he couldn't breathe, he's like, well, if you wouldn't have me fucking go down the water slide a thousand times with the girls, I would be all right.

Speaker 1 I was like, dude, those water slides. It's like, again, daddy, again, daddy.
Oh, man.

Speaker 2 One thing before we move on to my three-year-old, you know, Baja Mar is obviously a casino. There's a lot of gambling down here.

Speaker 2 My three-year-old last night sprinted through the casino, bumping into people, throwing dice, tried to sit at the blackjack table.

Speaker 1 Dude, you gave him the bugs.

Speaker 2 He's got his shirt off.

Speaker 2 He's like, he turned into Frank the Tank this weekend.

Speaker 1 His dad's a little bit of a degenerate gamble. So he doesn't

Speaker 1 fall that far from the tree, dude. So we have a really good show.

Speaker 2 Later coming up, we have, I mean, someone that you've worked with, but someone we all know, maybe one of my favorite coaches to watch, Coach Dave Wanstad's going to be joining us.

Speaker 1 Dude, so coach is the best, man. Like, and also, too, because where we're at in the NFL season with all these coaching firings, hirings, the carousel, coach has been in that position.

Speaker 1 He covers the Bears. So I'm excited to kind of hear what he thinks about the Bears, but also just the coaching, almost in a way, like the epidemic, because we've seen first year coaches get fired.

Speaker 1 Like there's not, there's no like, hey, two or three years anymore. So it's such an interesting time.

Speaker 1 And then just when you look at like coach, if you look at his resume, you're like, holy shit, Like Super Bowls with Dallas, coached at the U with Jimmy Johnson and one

Speaker 1 there.

Speaker 1 Oklahoma State Pitt head coach, Miami Dolphins head coach,

Speaker 1 Chicago Bears, like he's a living legend. He's seen a lot.

Speaker 1 I wanted to have him on, man, because he's just got the best stories. Like, and he's a storyteller.

Speaker 1 It's going to be fun to talk to him. He's a great friend of mine, and you're going to love him.
He's got him on. He's a defensive coordinator, right?

Speaker 2 On that Miami, like the Catholics versus Conference. Yeah.
The thing that made the documentary about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, with Notre Dame on tonight, too. He was in that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he and Jimmy Johnson are like best friends. I mean, both of those guys, you get them in the same room.

Speaker 1 It's like one of those things, like you probably maybe get it at Jeter's event, right? Where you sit at a table and you just hear people talk. But like, he's one of those people.
He's this big, like.

Speaker 1 pit guy, 6'4, commands a room. The minute he sits at a table, you're like, you're just like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 He holds shop. And he, I'll tell you what, man, he's got, he's got some stories.
I hope, I hope, I hope he tells some of them because he's a legend. But yeah, Dave's coming on.

Speaker 2 Well, Coach will be on. There's a lot of coaching vacancies, too, which we're going to talk about with him probably.
And we'll chat about in a second.

Speaker 2 We have a good throwback three being that the NFL playoffs are among us this weekend.

Speaker 2 We're going to talk NFL playoff runs, not just upsets, but who went on a run, some that you might even least likely expect.

Speaker 2 But also, before we really dig in, you know, we're both, you're outside of LA right now. I'm away from home, lived in L.A.
for a very long time too.

Speaker 2 We have to take a second and just wish everybody well out there with the fires going on because it looks, you know, watching along, it looks, it looks pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 So we're really hoping and praying everybody's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just obviously the, you know, the first responders, the firefighters, everybody that's helping.

Speaker 1 And then as you know, like we've talked kind of this week, just like, I'm not there, but like, you know, power went out by our house. We're okay.

Speaker 1 Our area is okay, but we know a lot of people up in the Palisades area and just in that valley where you're familiar with, obviously, and all of the mountains.

Speaker 1 And it's just a very dangerous man when fires get going there and

Speaker 1 heartbreaking, devastating.

Speaker 1 We're thinking about everybody and hope everybody stays safe, man. So hopefully they can get this thing under control.

Speaker 2 I wanted to ask you, do you, for the Orange Ball Hall of Fame, you get a jacket? Like, what do you get to get like a plaque, a jacket, something I could borrow from you, put in my office?

Speaker 2 What do you, what do you get?

Speaker 1 Anything?

Speaker 1 You know, it's only looked. I don't have no idea.

Speaker 1 I thought we got a jacket, but I tell you what, you know, when the Orange Bowl committee is somewhere because they have their bright ass orange jackets. That's what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 I do want to say this. I do want to shout out the hospitality this week has been A-plus, first class.
The events, the people, they put on just a great week for us.

Speaker 1 It's me, Vince Wolfork is in, and Coach Meyer, Meyer, who obviously is pretty fun. So, you know, he's obviously one of my close buddies.

Speaker 1 So the three of us are getting, I think we get a big plaque because I looked at a couple pictures from last year. So I think it's a pretty big plaque with a like, it's pretty cool looking.

Speaker 1 So if you want it, dude, I mean, I'll ship it to you if you want to put it in

Speaker 1 the game room. It might go up in my setup at the house in the garage.
We'll see.

Speaker 2 I was kind of hoping for the jacket. But you know something else that was cool too? We had my nephew on last week and he was texting me to he on just happened to unlock you in Madden Ultimate team.

Speaker 2 85. There's a picture they use of you.
You're a running quarterback in that picture.

Speaker 1 Clearly,

Speaker 1 they have me mistaken for somebody else. I was an 85 overall.

Speaker 1 Whatever, Matt.

Speaker 2 You got the liner card

Speaker 2 on Mutt, and it's you're 85.

Speaker 1 By the way, by the way, you're winning a Super Bowl with me at 85.

Speaker 2 Easily. Definitely me too, the way I do it.

Speaker 1 But you sent me that picture, dude, of me. It was me running.

Speaker 1 I'm like, like what the what is wrong with these guys it says field general that's how they categorize you but you're sprinting like you're michael vick so listen listen i will say this my madden rating should be like a 50 something my cfp rating probably gonna be like maybe a 99 though i think oh it's flawless

Speaker 2 all right so it's a big it's you know the weekends here i'm still getting used to the fact that we're gonna have a monday playoff game but that's a story for another day so we've all looked at the slate a pretty long time we're not here to give the full, like, here's our picks because everyone's going to be doing that.

Speaker 2 I'm looking at these games and I'm trying to figure out, okay, number one, what game am I just most excited to watch as a fan?

Speaker 2 Obviously, my Giants are not in any of this.

Speaker 2 And for me, I'm curious to hear your, I'm really, really excited about that. about that Steelers Ravens game.
I don't think, well, I don't think the Steelers are going to lie.

Speaker 2 I just think that

Speaker 1 the Steelers are so boring, man.

Speaker 2 But for me, I think.

Speaker 1 I guess third time.

Speaker 2 Third time. And I think Lamar, I think, because, you know, we're not really, we're not getting the homes.

Speaker 2 We, you know, he's on a buy. Josh Allen, we're going to get, but I don't, I don't think he's going to have too much problem with the ball.

Speaker 1 Dude, the Broncos are pretty good, dude. The Broncos are pretty tough.
That defense.

Speaker 2 So what game are you most excited for then? To watch?

Speaker 1 To watch as a fan. As a fan.

Speaker 1 Commanders, Bucks.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 1 Honestly, because one, I love Baker. And two,

Speaker 1 to me, those are just two very exciting offenses. Obviously, the Bucs can soar with the way they've been playing, but the Commanders with Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 I think they squared off week one or week two early on. And Jaden Daniels is a much different player than he was then.
So I think that one's just exciting to watch.

Speaker 1 I think there's going to be a lot of points scored in that one.

Speaker 1 I don't like Chargers, Jim Harboff, first year back. He's in the playoff.
Obviously, Vikings Rams is an interesting one Monday. Vikings coming off that loss.

Speaker 1 Now everybody, well, we talked about this, by the way, last week. Sam Darnold, now everybody's saying he sucks.
Literally, everybody is saying, like, oh, he told you so.

Speaker 1 We're like, well, wait a minute, dude. Like, it's one game.
He didn't play great, obviously, in that game.

Speaker 1 But like, everyone is now like saying, oh, I told you so. I'm like, dude, the body of work speaks for itself, but the Rams are dangerous.
I feel like we've kind of been saying that.

Speaker 1 It's just like, if they get in the playoff, they're dangerous. But is this not? Think about this for a second.
Because I know you're not a massive college football guy.

Speaker 1 The playoffs have helped me the playoffs have helped me is this not the greatest week in football history if if you think about it you have playoff game tonight uh penn state notre dame you got ohio state texas this weekend and then you got all of these nfl games like four what four straight days or five straight days thursday what is oh texas is that friday i think that's friday isn't it So Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, five straight games, five straight days of playoff football.

Speaker 2 You know me, I do not love it. You already called me out for being a degenerate gambler, which you're by far not wrong.

Speaker 2 I also am looking at this slate of which games am I excited to bet on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so which one? Are you betting any college football games?

Speaker 2 Oh, for sure. I'm definitely, I got Ohio State going the whole way, so I'm just going to keep riding that.
But for me, with the NFL playoffs, obviously I'm going to pick winners and stuff.

Speaker 2 I love the prop that sweet. And I just look at it like, I don't really see anything on that.
Like, I'm excited to watch Steelers Ravens. I'm not excited to bet on that game.

Speaker 1 I would stay away from that game.

Speaker 2 The NFC has all, and because I'm not an unders guy, I don't like betting under. I know that's the best bet.
It's the smarter bet, but I like to root for scoring.

Speaker 2 All the NFC games are the ones I'm going to be all over. Because even, like you said, Vikings, Rams, Commanders, Bucks, Packers, Eagles, which

Speaker 1 that one's an interesting one, dude. I'm telling you one, I would not be surprised if the Eagles lose that game.
Before we move on,

Speaker 1 what's your best bet? Like, what are you betting on? What's the best bet this week?

Speaker 2 That's tough. I do, in the end, I am going to be, I'm going to have a nice wager on the Bucs, not only with some of their props, but I think the Bucs are going to pull it off.

Speaker 1 I think that the Bills are going to absolutely wallop the Broncos.

Speaker 2 So I don't know if I'm going to, but I might not. It's a lot of points to give.

Speaker 2 So I might just try to figure out a way to do a money line parlay, Bucs, Bills, and I might throw the Steelers in there with the points because I do like that amount of points.

Speaker 2 Maybe even do an alt line and maybe tease it up a little bit more to like 15, give up some juice there. So, but I tell you, like, anytime touchdown stuff, which is my favorite, favorite,

Speaker 1 so great.

Speaker 1 I try to put, I try to put a, uh, I don't know. We don't have oh, yeah, I said, I can't bet in the state of Florida right now, so so well, I'll tell you what,

Speaker 1 flying down here,

Speaker 1 nine-person anytime TD score. I was putting together last night, I was just

Speaker 1 this thing up.

Speaker 1 And I like, yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm in a good state. I'm in a good state for that.
So, if you ever have any of those,

Speaker 2 give it to me.

Speaker 1 I'll get it in.

Speaker 1 I might.

Speaker 1 I might look at it later today.

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Speaker 2 And then, right when we crossed into like international waters, it's cut the feed right now.

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Speaker 2 so something else we did too we we did a whole episode devoted to cold takes right every we reviewed the cold takes for 2024.

Speaker 2 you and i made a few

Speaker 2 interesting predictions and grades and stuff like that i think it's only fair if we revisit some of the things we said before the nfl season started i think that's more than fair dude i i i don't yeah so like i don't think we were far off on some of these but then

Speaker 1 based on again now we know what some of these guys did obviously throughout the year and i'm thinking like offseason acquisition we were pretty freaking stupid we didn't pick a running back go ahead what so what do we got man what do we do we did uh

Speaker 2 The first

Speaker 1 most likely to lose his starting job. So who'd you, who'd you have?

Speaker 2 QB most likely to lose his starting job. I went with the obvious choice.

Speaker 2 and the one i actually won was it was daniel jones that was the obvious one and it happened you went do you remember who you went with

Speaker 1 russell wilson russell wilson

Speaker 2 yeah i'm not counting it fully as a loss for you because he sat out the first four games of the year

Speaker 2 But Fields didn't do enough in those four games to still do that.

Speaker 1 And then Wilson ended up with 16.

Speaker 1 I mean, Wilson's played great, really, and got him to a playoff, 16 touchdowns, five picks. Was in the MVP conversation for a little bit there

Speaker 1 before they obviously got a four-game losing streak to end the season. But yeah, Russell Wilson ended up.

Speaker 2 All right, this one's not going to be great for you. Team most likely to bounce back from a down year.

Speaker 2 I had your Arizona Cardinals, which that's a loss, but I do think there was a moment where the Cardinals were

Speaker 2 topped the NFC West at one point.

Speaker 1 You never watched the Cardinals and said, Man, that's a playoff team. You never watched that.
True. You never watched that.
You never.

Speaker 2 But it was alive for the first 10 weeks. It was alive and then it died out

Speaker 1 of death, which they always do.

Speaker 2 Well, it's not going to be worse than the team. You picked the Jets to have a bounce back.

Speaker 1 That's a big thing.

Speaker 1 I'm living. I'm just dying on the hill with the Jets.
I had Aaron Rodgers MVP, Jets. Ewan Straight.

Speaker 1 By the way, Aaron Rodgers making the MVP, Jets making the AFC title game.

Speaker 1 You wearing a Joe LMB jersey court side at the knicks all for nothing dude so a couple a couple teams um that i made notes the vikings obviously seven and ten last year finished 14 and three with sam darnold chargers were a massive um team in the broncos i mean both of those team all three of those teams playoff teams bouncing back from uh you know chargers are the worst one chargers 5 and 12 and 23 higher harba go 11 and 6 i mean that just shows you how great of a coach that dude is man like

Speaker 1 everywhere he goes he wins which is just bananas.

Speaker 2 You know, I often think about this. This is what happens in Hollywood a lot.
It

Speaker 2 varies from, okay, there's times where the stars have the power, right?

Speaker 2 And then there's time, there's been eras where the agents were actually so powerful that it mattered more who the agent was of the clients. And it always goes in circles.

Speaker 2 I think similarly in sports, you like NBA, we had, well, it was the big three. Now we're back kind of down to you need two guys and then a bunch of really good role players.

Speaker 2 NFL quarterback has been king for so long and still is. I don't think you're ever going to dethrone quarterback from being the most important thing.
But has there ever been a more obvious?

Speaker 2 And you've been saying it since we started this podcast. Has there ever been a more obvious?

Speaker 2 Yes, of course you have to have a quarterback, but it's kind of pointless if you don't have a coach who knows how to progress.

Speaker 2 And man, I know it's the most obvious thing in the world, but I feel like this is the first time

Speaker 2 where coaches have entered into that conversation where you could really turn things around with your coach.

Speaker 1 Isn't it? It's unbelievable, man.

Speaker 1 You would be shocked. And we've all, I think any player, any former player, current player, be careful, but would tell you how shockingly bad coaching is at the highest level, right?

Speaker 1 Just universally, whether it's some position coaches, not everybody, but I've been around some teams.

Speaker 1 And again, they could say, oh, well, you were like, I just been around, I've been around great coaches. I know what that looks like.
And I've been around shitty coaches. I know what that looks like.

Speaker 1 You would be surprised how many shitty coaches there are at the highest level. And to your point, when you have a Harbaugh or,

Speaker 1 you know, obviously like O'Connell, like there's a lot of, there's a, there's a lot of very good coaches in the NFL as well.

Speaker 1 When you just have guys, man, and they just get it. And it's one of those things, it's hard to explain.

Speaker 1 Like if you, if, if I compared it to like your world of acting, it's like you just have like, you have a director who you just, everything he touches, it could be, he could have a shitty cast, he could have a shitty script.

Speaker 1 Somehow, some way he's going to turn it into like

Speaker 1 just a hit or something. You know what I mean? Like, they just have that.
They have a feel. They know how to control a room.
They know how to manage.

Speaker 1 They know how, then they know how to create and do all of these things. Like the same with a guy like Harbaugh, who's just like, it's just wild, man.

Speaker 1 You go all the way back to San Diego, you go to Stanford, you go to, I mean, Niners, everywhere. He's been, he's won.
And it's, it's a testament to him.

Speaker 1 And again, to your point, like, and to your point, I'll say this kind of funny.

Speaker 1 I was on one team where it wasn't the coaches and it wasn't the quarterback. It was our freaking kickers who ran our team.
Really?

Speaker 1 That is. Oh, wait.

Speaker 1 The Oakland Raiders, bro. Seabass.

Speaker 1 Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Leckler, who

Speaker 1 I was just texting with Shane Leckler the other day because

Speaker 1 Texas AM, his former school played SC. Actually, I should text him back because we beat them, but

Speaker 1 we were texting. And he's maybe Hall of Fame punter.
Like he's one of those that might, that potentially might get in.

Speaker 1 When I went there and I remember Carson telling me this, because Carson was the coreback, and Carson, the quarterback's the leader, but Carson's like, bro, I've never seen anything like these kickers run the show here.

Speaker 2 That's probably never happened before or since.

Speaker 1 Never. It's just, I think, ever.
Like, it was like, and but like, it was just like, holy hell, like, these guys, it's just like, that's, that's C bass. You don't fuck with him.

Speaker 1 He kind of runs the team. He's obviously played a long time.
That's Leckler. He's a Hall of Fame punter.
He's, he's not like your traditional kicker.

Speaker 1 Like, a lot of these kickers are kind of different cats. Like, Shane was a dude, man.
Those guys were awesome guys. Yeah, man, it was, it was wild.

Speaker 1 That, that team was definitely not run by the coaching team.

Speaker 2 Tell you, well, if Sebastian Yank Haskell was still around, I probably wouldn't have so many tweets eviscerating kickers and how annoyed I was

Speaker 1 by every kicker.

Speaker 1 We're going to have him on. Oh, that'd be great.
Oh, dude. We got to get him in person if we could.

Speaker 1 I don't know where he is in the world.

Speaker 1 I'd rather go through the screen.

Speaker 1 He scares me, dude.

Speaker 2 So, some other ones.

Speaker 1 What else do we have? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Teams most likely to disappoint. We were both wrong on this.
You said Packers, which I was with you on that. I did not see the defense being as strong as they are.

Speaker 2 I think the defense is pretty pretty good, obviously.

Speaker 1 I said,

Speaker 2 Chiefs, which I'm going to defend

Speaker 2 myself in a minute.

Speaker 1 LaFleur, great coach. I mean, that's another.
I mean, they won the games with a case of point. Malik Willis won some games,

Speaker 1 finished 11-6 in the playoffs. So, I mean, yeah, he's a hell of a coach.
Let me just,

Speaker 2 let me just defend this for a second. I said the Chiefs would disappoint.
And if I go back to it,

Speaker 2 I wasn't saying, oh, the Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs. I didn't go full hot take and say the Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs.

Speaker 2 But wouldn't you say if you were either just a fan or a sports bettor or whatever, they have been disappointing, not with the record.

Speaker 2 They're playing a different game. They are only caring about the Super Bowl, which is a great thing to do.

Speaker 1 Which is all that matters.

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 1 And by the way, have you seen their offense the last couple of weeks? Like outside of the last week they sapped their guys?

Speaker 2 But would you say the Chiefs have been disappointing this year? Just

Speaker 2 not with results, but with the way they've played.

Speaker 1 No, because I know how hard, I know how hard it is to win, man. It's, I don't, and for them to do it at this, it's like the Patriots, dude.
It's like, like, shit, it's like your Yankees, man.

Speaker 1 You know how hard it is just to win year in and year out? Like, things happen. Like, injuries happen, and attrition happens, and scheduling happens.

Speaker 1 And then you run into whatever, like, other teams are getting better, you know, like, and, and they still found a way to finish with the one seed, like amongst all that.

Speaker 1 And I guarantee you, and we've said this, and this is everybody said, you don't want to see him in the playoffs, dude.

Speaker 1 And they start, they started turning it on a little bit there in the end of the year with the offense. Like, they're getting healthier.
And you got Patty Mahomes. So, like, is it a disappointment?

Speaker 1 No, like, it is so hard to win football games in the NFL. I don't care how good you are.
I knew it wasn't. By the way,

Speaker 1 no, not any close, dude. And all the

Speaker 1 fans, like, dude, you got a one seed locked up and home field advantage throughout the playoff. You're fine.
Josh Allen has to come to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Lamar Jackson has to come to Kansas City, where it is very, very difficult to win in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 Off-season acquisition, most likely to pay off. You were right for like five weeks with Kirk Cousins.
You had a run there where it looked, we were talking.

Speaker 2 I think he was one of our Wendy's saucy players of the week. You had it for a second.
I had Stephon Diggs, which that wasn't even

Speaker 2 poor as ACL, too.

Speaker 1 Why didn't we pick Saquon or Derrick Henry?

Speaker 2 I think we were trying to go with the less obvious, like those were no-brainers. I think we were trying to dig a little deeper.

Speaker 2 Here's one that you had that I was not on board with that worked out really well. Player who's not on your radar now, but will be by the end of the year.
I went Hollywood Brown and Nick Chubb.

Speaker 2 I was trying to go. bounce back from injuries.
It didn't really happen. You went Khalil Shakir.

Speaker 1 Third and yak in the league. Third and yak.

Speaker 1 Led the bills with 76 catches, 800 yards. Again, going back to the whole supporting cast, that's Josh Allen's best player.
Shout out to your nephew.

Speaker 1 But he had a hell of a year. And I will say this, when I was doing all my fantasy football, shout out to Peter Schrag's.
Peter Schrager, who's fantastic, good buddy.

Speaker 1 He was hell-bent on Khalil Shakir being like a fantasy breakout star and just having a breakout season, which he did.

Speaker 1 I mean, he didn't have eye-opening numbers, but he was their best player on the outside.

Speaker 1 And yeah, so I stand by that. A couple honorable mention guys.
Who did you have, by the way?

Speaker 2 For, well, my breakout player.

Speaker 1 No, the breakout player.

Speaker 2 I think I had, well, it was, how did we word it? We worded it like players

Speaker 2 not on your radar, but will be by the end of the day.

Speaker 1 Oh, you had, oh, you already said. You already said that.

Speaker 2 I kind of went like, I was trying to go Hollywood Brown because I thought he would be healthy and would really share it.

Speaker 1 Which is a good one. Well, he just didn't get healthy.
Here are a couple. I got a couple.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold, obviously. Jameer Gibbs had almost 2,000 yards from scrimmage.
Bucky Irving. No one would have thought that.
Trey McBride, over 110 catches. Brock Bowers,

Speaker 1 Brian Thomas, Malik Neighbors, Jerry Judy. How about Jerry Judy's bounce back here?

Speaker 2 Not to bring up your bossy. I drafted Jerry Judy every single year until this year.
I finally cut bait, and then he's like fourth in the league in receptions and yards.

Speaker 2 And really, the Jameis games just opened everything up for Jerry Judy.

Speaker 1 Anytime Jameis is in there, he's slinging that rock, dude.

Speaker 2 Well, before we also get coach on,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 end of season, there's now six coaching vacancies. And we checked, we had, we looked around.
I think the most ever was 10. So we're not close to the record amount of coaching vacancies.

Speaker 2 And we'll talk to Coach Wanstadt about it, too. But anything really surprising to you? Not for me.

Speaker 2 Even like the Mayo thing, people were, I could definitely say that's probably unfair to him, but not necessarily.

Speaker 1 I just, I, I kind of thought that was just an interesting hire from the get-go. Yeah, you're always rooting for former players.
And it just, it just, some, sometimes some of these hires feel so fast.

Speaker 1 It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, really? Like, that's like, um,

Speaker 1 So it's not surprising, man. This is the time of the year.
It's, it's equivalent to like, like, cut day and at the end of training camp. Like, you just know it's coming.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen for a lot of these coaches, too. Obviously, not as big as cut day because there's hundreds of players and all that.
But, um,

Speaker 1 yeah, I don't think there's any big surprise.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Raiders, I don't think any of these teams, I think everyone is trying to chase for like that young, like, like, you know, the biggest name is going to be Ben Johnson for the Lions.

Speaker 1 You know, he was one that turned down a job last year to stay, which I think was smart.

Speaker 1 Continues to build his worth, obviously, this year with the offense. And he's going to be,

Speaker 1 he's going to be the prize get, I think. I think everybody's going to go after him.
I think Doug Peterson is a really good football coach. I think that's a shitty ass situation up there.

Speaker 1 You can kind of see like, actually, Jerry, like, this is a perfect example. We've always talked about like being in alignment, right? From the owner to the GM to the, all of that.
Like.

Speaker 1 kind of hearing this week with all those guys talk, like it's a shit show over there, you know?

Speaker 1 And so like Doug Peterson's going to get hired by someone too i think he's a really good football coach so that one's not surprising i think sometimes coaches are better off leaving places and going fine somewhere else you know i think the biggest surprise is probably that my guy coach dable and shane are still with the giants it's probably the surprise is that they're still there and the fan base is certainly not thrilled about it

Speaker 1 are you thrilled what do you think Look,

Speaker 2 I can't say I know enough to tell you, like, you could spot a good coach way easier than I could, right?

Speaker 2 Uh, but for me, I think we've now seen the great year under Dable, where he got so much out of players that with a team that had no real expectation. And now we've seen the flip side of that, where

Speaker 2 it's been as bad as it could be. So, I do think that, how are you supposed to fully judge? All right, we've had, I do think the third year is necessary to tell.
I think he deserves that much.

Speaker 2 As far as Shane goes,

Speaker 2 again,

Speaker 2 I don't think if hard knocks happen and we had that inside line.

Speaker 1 I was about to say that. Yeah, I think

Speaker 1 we're publicly see that.

Speaker 2 If we don't publicly see that, I don't think there's as much of an uproar that, oh, that guy should lose. It's the fact that we saw the Saquon stuff and all that, but everything else he did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah, dude, but that's like,

Speaker 1 that's part of it. You got to be accountable.
And

Speaker 1 I just, it's tough, man. Look, I think when you bank, look at your, you're head coach, your GM, you're tied to your quarterback.
I mean, that's what you, in the NFL, you're tied to your quarterback.

Speaker 1 If your quarterback plays well or shows enough, like, you're going to have a job for a long time. It's literally that simple in the NFL.

Speaker 1 And they've just kind of been flirting with fire, I think, with Danny Dimes over the years. Like, like you said, they had that playoff, gave him all the money, obviously let Saquon go.

Speaker 1 Like, man, it's just so, so I, I, I like it. I got to be honest.
I think Dable's a good coach. I think maybe now they have a little bit of a reset.
We'll see who they get in the draft.

Speaker 1 Obviously, they don't have the number one pick, so it's going to be interesting.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 Well, should we do money moments? I think it's time for some money moments because

Speaker 2 a lot of fun things happen with contracts and stuff.

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Speaker 2 That's money. That's cash app.
Lord knows I've been sending a lot of cash down in the bottom. This is not a very inexpensive place.

Speaker 2 But Matt, we saw all the crazy incentives and met and missed ones this past weekend. Which ones, if any, stuck out to you for a money moment? I have a few.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it was a wild. I mean, like,

Speaker 1 A lot of people see the

Speaker 1 contracts are fascinating, right?

Speaker 1 A lot of people, a lot of people see the guaranteed money and the and the and the the size right like oh five years 100 million 60 guarantee but they don't see all the incentives which is pretty like there's i mean there could be hundreds like some you'll never hit some you'll hit um and this week i don't remember a week in football where it was like just so publicized and so like

Speaker 1 everybody was talking about it like oh if they hit this or they hit this or they hit that um i i i think it's awesome as a former player i mean you know like and trust me players think about that like like like you want your money even if you're making 15 million a year you want that extra yeah mill so the one i i think the one awesome one was mike evans um and he earned say earned what three million by crossing the thousand yard mark on the final play they got him that yeah

Speaker 1 Then they got him now. So shout out to the Bucks.
Shout out to Baker, the coach.

Speaker 1 That was one thing. But that's also like the record too, what he beat, like Jerry Rice's record of, what is it, 12 straight, 1,000-yard yard

Speaker 1 unbelievable so for me to me that was more about just like seeing a record like seeing his record of mike evin's a great dude but the three million the biggest one and i didn't realize this this weekend how about geno smith i still is that rest

Speaker 1 i don't i don't six million

Speaker 1 so and so

Speaker 1 so i got so he needed over 185 passing yards for a 2 million incentive so he hit that so that was part of it but then maybe by reaching career highs and passing yards completion percentage and 10 wins so like think about that in his in his contract was like if you have a career high in passing yards a career high in completion centers and you win 10 games this year you're going to get six miles i know but are you a little mad if you're the owner because you're probably thinking 10 hell yeah you're mad hell mad you're mad at the owner but that's why you got a lot of shady owners out there man they don't want to see some of these guys hit those cooper rush Cooper Rush, going to hit that.

Speaker 1 They sat him. I don't think he's going to hit his bonus.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Trey Lance played 77 plays.
I think he had to play 70 or 72 plays to hit it.

Speaker 2 What I mean, though, is if you're the Seahawks owner, you're probably doing the 10-win incentive because you think 10 wins gets you into the playoffs. He hit the 10 wins, and it's a missed playoff.

Speaker 1 And he's $6 million.

Speaker 2 And he's $6 million later.

Speaker 1 There were a couple

Speaker 1 I thought, like Kyler Murray needed 50-yards rushing and a rushing touchdown for

Speaker 1 a $750,000 incentive hit. He didn't hit that.

Speaker 1 So like there's a lot of misses too, but it was it was wild.

Speaker 2 It was hard not to go back to my entourage years when I saw the Geno Smith one because I could hear my character

Speaker 2 saying, Turtle saying to Vince, like, if Aquaman hits 100 mil, what are we going to get? And I could hear Vince say, oh, if we hit 100 million, y'all getting something sick.

Speaker 1 By the way, Geno got the O-line and the receivers something oh dude oh that's a yeah that's a like christmas just came that's another that's another present by the way did we ever find out with turtle how he made his money it was a tequila right but do we ever really know he we don't know we never knew how much he actually made

Speaker 2 but one thing we decided on before doing the movie was he definitively has more money than vince now which is really all you have to say to make it funny it could be 100 mil it could be 50 40 whatever no one knows he definitely has more money than vince and i'm convinced right now if we ever do the reboot turtle's broke now i think he lost it all

Speaker 2 i i he might have lost like an nft or something is there is there is there is there so are there i know there's like incent are there incentives in the acting world and like you i know like the best part is like residual checks right when your plays for years and years you get that but like are there like if you get a nomination or if you get if you get a certain amount in a box office like do you guys get kickbacks for that is that in a contract or how does that so with television uh the the incentives that i didn't even know about i remember entourage got nine we just had the golden globes this past weekend entourage in season one surprisingly got a golden globe nomination i don't think we were expecting to get nominated especially that early and i remember my lawyer called me and was basically asking me where i wanted my nomination check to go and i'm like what are you talking about well you know the show gets nominated you get this if you get nominated personally, I'm like, well, how much?

Speaker 2 I'm thinking, all right, was it five grand, 10 grand? This is great. 50 grand for the best comedy nomination.
And I think for wins, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 I obviously didn't win, but Piven won three years in a row. I think it either might be double that or even more.

Speaker 2 So you do get in TV, at least we did with HBO, we always got incentives for nominations. With movies, it's all different.
It's the incentives are box office, right?

Speaker 2 And the two things to decipher between are there's first dollar gross and then there's sort of back end like net points.

Speaker 2 You have to be a certain kind of actor to get those first dollar points. What that means is if the movie makes a dollar, you get 10 cents or whatever your percentage is.
Right.

Speaker 2 So even if a movie only made 10 million is considered a failure, you're still getting a percentage of that 10 million.

Speaker 2 On the flip side, actors like me maybe would get back end where, hey, once the movie makes all its money back, makes this level profit.

Speaker 2 I remember with Think Like a Man, the movie I did with Kevin Hart early on, it had all these incentives. It hits 15 million, you get this.
If it hits 20 million, you get this.

Speaker 2 So I'm getting all these emails. All right, we hit 20, all these incentives start rolling in.
So it did very much feel like an NFL contract.

Speaker 1 The bet, the best, so the, so the way the playoffs work in the NFL, which is, so you get, maybe it's more now, but when I was, when we went, you know, Arizona, Houston, so you get like 25 for the first round, 25k, I think it was.

Speaker 1 And that's everybody on the team. So that's practice squad too.
So it's really cool for those guys because they're making more in a couple of weeks than they would all year.

Speaker 1 And then you make it next, it was 50. Then you make it to the conference championship 75.
And then you make it to the Super Bowl to 100. So that's a year with the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 You made, you made a 250 grand bonus just by going. And that was everybody.
So everybody got

Speaker 1 feels so good.

Speaker 1 Everybody, it feels so good. So good.

Speaker 1 So so we're and we were like you cash those checks baby let's go um

Speaker 1 but for so like for i know before we take a break like for because like so for acting because obviously my wife was an actress and all that so you can get paid like on a tv show for like entourage you're getting paid per episode per episode yeah and then and then you and then you guys obviously can negotiate every year

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 The only way you make incentive that is basically by nominations is kind of for the most part with TV, like like if you see

Speaker 2 an actor like so many now that you see actors or producers they could get back end points like typically when entra sells into syndication right that really is for you know

Speaker 2 Doug and Lev and Wahlberg, like three guys who made the show happen. That's how they really get where we get the money in the episodes.
They don't get as much for the episodes.

Speaker 2 They get more in great success. But yeah, for actors with TV, you don't really, the incentives really are just

Speaker 2 that but i you know this whole new netflix model if it actually comes to fruition where it's they you know they want to do it performance based so and really quick i want to hit just some of the funnier contract stuff of all time that stuck out i don't even know if you could do this in today's generation but the eddie lacey and even boris diao had weight clauses left and right like 150 glenn baby davis had weight clauses i couldn't do that now maybe i don't know that that's real by the way and if you you missed weight, you get fined.

Speaker 1 Like, you get fined for every pound, like thousands of dollars.

Speaker 1 I've seen players like that.

Speaker 2 My favorite one, because this is 100% what I would do. Mo Harkless had a $500,000 incentive for shooting 35%

Speaker 2 from three.

Speaker 2 Toward the end of the year, he got to 35%, didn't shoot a three for the last three games, which is 100% what I would do.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, dude. I get it.

Speaker 1 You don't think that dude knew exactly what he was doing? Of course.

Speaker 2 You wouldn't need, I wouldn't even stand outside the three-point line. There's been so many fun ones.
And then,

Speaker 2 you know, this isn't an incentive thing, but the Bobby Benilla thing in history is still one of the craziest contract whatever's of all time.

Speaker 2 And I think he still gets a million bucks with an 8% interest rate per year. So

Speaker 2 shout outs to all the players who hit their incentive. Better luck to the players who missed it, but hopefully you hit it next year.
Take a quick break.

Speaker 2 We're going to come back with Coach Dave Wonston.

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Speaker 2 We are joined now by one of those rare coaches who's beloved by multiple fan bases, the Cowboys, the Bears, the Dolphins, Pitt, the one and only Dave Wonstad. Coach, thank you for joining the show.

Speaker 2 You said you're in Chicago. It's five degrees out.
So we're going to try and warm things up in here for you.

Speaker 1 Well, good luck.

Speaker 1 Matt will get it boiling before I'm done, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 Coach, I'm in Miami. It's about 65 degrees here.
The beach is right outside.

Speaker 1 I know you're a pick guy, though. I know you're tough.
You don't like the beach and the water and shit.

Speaker 1 I'll be in Naples Friday. I fly out.
That's

Speaker 1 all my commitment to all my NBC and Bear stuff up here.

Speaker 1 And I'll be down there Friday. So I'm looking forward to that.
Yep. Coach, well, it's good to see you, man.
We appreciate you coming on. Jerry and I were just talking about.

Speaker 1 just like the NFL coaching. As you know, this time of the year, it's, I think we said there's six vacancies.
Six vacancies this year, yeah. Obviously, you're Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 I know you do a lot of of work with the Bears still.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Just a bigger picture question, like kind of like an epidemic with coaching. Obviously, we had a couple of first-year guys get fired

Speaker 1 this year.

Speaker 1 Just kind of the process of what that's like. What are these guys going through? And is that a bigger problem you're seeing in the NFL?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, it is, but I think the reason is twofold. One, you got a younger generation thinking of media from a standpoint of there's so many other outlets now.
Everybody wants to

Speaker 1 have a story. Everybody wants to kind of have the shock treatment story of your team to keep their job and keep their interest up.

Speaker 1 And I think that owners are a little bit younger now for the most part, new guys coming in. Back in the day, it was the old guard, you know, and those guys

Speaker 1 used to kind of be a little bit more patient, I think. And the other thing, too, I'll be quite honest with you.

Speaker 1 When I got my job with the Bears, it was kind of an unwritten rule of thumb that you didn't even get an interview for a head coaching job in the NFL unless you were a coordinator on a playoff team.

Speaker 1 And the majority of the jobs that went out went to coordinators of Super Bowl teams. And the thinking behind this, and that's what I'm banging the table on, I do two radio shows here in Chicago.

Speaker 1 And I'm, excuse me, and I'm saying, I want to see a history of a guy. And that's the, and that's why I think those coaches had a little bit better chance.
You could see a guy calling plays.

Speaker 1 You could see a guy relating to the players. You could see a guy relating to the media over a period of a couple of years.

Speaker 1 And I think, you know, now those guys get head coaching jobs that haven't even called plays, that haven't been a coordinator. And now you're going to stand up in front of the entire team.

Speaker 1 And you're going to start setting a culture and you're going to start, you know, implementing a foundation.

Speaker 1 I hope the Bears are,

Speaker 1 I hope they go for somebody that's two or three years doing his job. So we all know here exactly for the most part, what we're getting as a head coach.

Speaker 2 You know, that word that you said, culture, that's a word even us as fans hear so much.

Speaker 2 And I know what it means, but for you, someone who's coached at the highest level, what does that word mean to you?

Speaker 2 Like when you're going into a situation, they say, oh, we need someone to change the culture.

Speaker 2 That's a good thing to say. But how do you actually do it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's overused. And there's no question about that, Jare.

Speaker 1 You know, really, you're just setting the foundation. To me, it's on when you're practicing the tempo of the practice, the meetings.
Are we going to be on time for meetings? Are we going to...

Speaker 1 you know, off-season program. What's going to be the domain? So you're setting kind of the foundation on how you want to run your program on a day-to-day basis.

Speaker 1 And you have to have all your assistant coaches exactly talking the same language every time they walk out of there. And, you know, I get so sick of hearing this.
We need leadership here. We need,

Speaker 1 you know, when I was at the Dolphins, I always, and even at Pitt, you know, when I was there and had Aaron Darnell and Shady and some of those guys, you know, I had always a group of leaders and I would meet with those guys.

Speaker 1 And one time I remember specifically, it was Sam Madison, you know, who was a corner for me at the Dolphins. He's coaching at Dolphins now.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, the locker room was a mess. I walked, I would always walk through the locker room going to practice.
I wanted the players to see me.

Speaker 1 I was not going to be hiding upstairs and show up and run back up after practice. I wasn't one of those type of guys.

Speaker 1 So I would walk through it and I called Sam and a couple of guys and I said, what's this shit? You know, I said, this place looks like a dump donner.

Speaker 1 And Sam says, you know, coach, coach, I agree with you. I said, well, do something about it.

Speaker 1 And Sam went off in the next day in the meeting and just threatened to whip guys, you know, and just went crazy.

Speaker 1 And that was the end of it, you know, so to me, leadership has, yeah, the coach has to set the foundation, but your players have to buy in and be leaders on the great teams.

Speaker 1 You know, every chick national championship team I've coached in three of the games and Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 I mean, we've always had leaders that kind of carried carried the torch of the culture, carried the torch of the foundation.

Speaker 1 So it's, you know, the head coach sets it, he's got to reinforce it. But if you don't have your guys behind, you got no chance.

Speaker 1 Coach, I do want to get into Pitt and Shady because you coached obviously some of the great players and had some good years over there.

Speaker 1 If you're if you're the Bears, because I know you're close to the Bears organization in Chicago,

Speaker 1 what do you need? What do you need at the Bears? What type of coach do you need? Well,

Speaker 1 we need, and I'm not going to use the word culture. We just need somebody with a plan, a winning plan.
I'm going to say that.

Speaker 1 And then the whole thing is with,

Speaker 1 you need to have somebody that's going to work with the general manager, all right, as far as priorities on the team.

Speaker 1 We couldn't run the ball last year, and I know all those guys up there, and supposedly there's a couple assistants that were banging the table.

Speaker 1 We got to use a fullback, and we gotta be able to run the football at times.

Speaker 1 Coach, you're not using a fullback. Come on,

Speaker 1 okay. This isn't the 1980s, coach.

Speaker 2 This is a quarterback talking, though.

Speaker 1 But minor. Let me tell you, let me tell you something, Matt.
Okay, and I said this to you 10 years ago when we worked together. The team, the best teams in football right now are running the football.

Speaker 1 Detroit,

Speaker 1 Philadelphia. That's true.

Speaker 2 Chargers,

Speaker 1 Chargers, Baltimore. And whether you use a tight end movement, it's a block.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 there we go.

Speaker 1 We're running out of the shotgun, man. Come on.
Okay. 49ers, Kyle Shannon.
What's he know? He doesn't know anything, right? Why would they keep a fullback?

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 so your best teams in football right now run the ball.

Speaker 1 And some of these passing gurus, the lights going on. Oh, my God.
What happened to Philadelphia? Well, they were running the ball about 30% of the time when they were getting their ass kicked.

Speaker 1 And now they're running the ball almost 60% of the time. Oh my God, we're winning games.
I mean,

Speaker 1 it's not a secret. Detroit beat Minnesota because they ran the football.

Speaker 1 Isn't it funny how like the game, I mean, I know, Coach, you and I joke about this all the time. And I was telling Jerry about like, you're obviously old school, but defense still wins championships.

Speaker 1 Line of scrimmage still wins championships, even at the college level. Even though the offenses and all the RPO and it's all spread out and that's, that's the game now.

Speaker 1 You still, if you run the football and you win the line of scrimmage you're going to win a super bowl or you're going to win a national championship that it never goes away so you're i agree you you throw the ball to score points you run the ball to win games you know i probably said that 15 times over my eight or nine years at fox but nobody listened but i uh

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 1 no i i i agree with you you know and that's when you're going back to the bears what jerry said you know Caleb Williams, okay,

Speaker 1 we built this thing kind of backwards. You know, we go out inside Keenan Allen and we drafted Dunes.
I was banging the table.

Speaker 1 There was a center from Oregon that I love, and a center from West Virginia, Frazier, that went to the Steelers. They're both starting, and they'll be all pros for 10 years.

Speaker 1 And I said, We need an offensive, we need an Owen Cruz on this team. We got to get with that ninth pick.
I would have taken offensive lineman.

Speaker 1 We didn't. We took you know, this kid who's hopefully be a good player from Harvard, okay?

Speaker 1 Uh, Matt,

Speaker 1 Roma Dunes, he went to Washington.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, no, no. I said, I wanted to draft an offensive line.

Speaker 1 Of course you did. But by the way, Jim Harbaugh, everyone gave the Chargers shit for drafting Joe Alt.
They should have drafted Malik Neighbors. And look at all.

Speaker 1 He's a freaking all-pro already at left tackle.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. So it's.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'm the wrong guy. And I say this all the time up here on these shows that I do.
I say, I'm the wrong. I mean,

Speaker 1 because I probably, I got fired for running Ricky Williams 356 times.

Speaker 1 You know, the longest game in Pitt history,

Speaker 1 Notre Dame, and the longest game in Notre Dame history, I'm going to give you a little trick, was when Pitt, we played them up there in South Bend.

Speaker 1 This game was so long, and it was like the fourth overtime, and that the sprinklers came on because they were on a timer during the game.

Speaker 1 True. And they turned the sprinklers off, and we get the ball.

Speaker 1 And And our quarterback was a freshman. And he throws a ball.
It bounces off of defensive backshand. Same thing.
And I said to Matt Cavanaugh, Matt, that's it, man. Shady.

Speaker 1 No one gets the ball except Shady.

Speaker 1 Was that Palco?

Speaker 1 No, Pelco had graduated, but I'd have done the same damn thing with Pelco. Trust me on that.
And he knows it. He knows it.
My man Tyler.

Speaker 1 But so the point was, yeah, I had a short views, but I, and by the way, we fall 36 power. Same thing.
We need about three yards of kick on game-winning field goal with South Ben.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we call 36 power, which was our best running play.

Speaker 1 And I call a timeout, and Shady comes over. I said, hey, Shady, we got to run that thing.
You know, we're going to block down. We're going to pull kicks.

Speaker 1 You got to run that thing up in F-gap as hard as you can and get us three yards. Can you do that? Yes, coach, I got it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 They know what's coming. We're coming.
Shady takes two steps. He starts running to the sideline.

Speaker 1 He didn't want inside, Coach. Come on.

Speaker 1 He takes it outside. Their safety comes up.
I forget his name. He was a fourth round pick.
Shady gives him a move, runs it down to the 15. We kick the field going, win the game.

Speaker 1 Afterwards, I call him. I say, Shady, come here, my man.

Speaker 1 I says, why did you not? Why did you run outside on 36 power? And he says, because nobody was there, Coach.

Speaker 1 He was an answer.

Speaker 1 I learned a lesson that day. Yep.
Coach.

Speaker 1 Coach,

Speaker 1 speaking of Shady,

Speaker 1 what was it like coaching him, recruiting him? I know you got some good stories.

Speaker 2 Yes, that's where I was going next, too, Coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, once it, once you, once you can tell, once you can tell.
Once I can tell. Okay.

Speaker 1 Next subject.

Speaker 1 Shane was NIL before NIL was NIL.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 I will say this.

Speaker 1 Shady was on the cover of Parade magazine. You know, he was the number one player in the country.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 I had him down.

Speaker 1 Oh, they had a great team up there.

Speaker 1 Bishop McDemott. I think they won the state championship, but we're in it again this year in Pennsylvania, private school.
You know, kind of one of those St. Thomas Aquinas.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it would be in L.A., but anyway.

Speaker 1 So I have him and about four of his teammates down to my summer camp, and I'm introducing him.

Speaker 1 and he's standing in the back and here's this guy and I know who he is obviously and he's standing there and he's got a hat on sideways and he's got sunglasses, you know, the gold chain.

Speaker 1 And I said, what's your name, young man? And he says, they call me Shady.

Speaker 1 I said, I know who the hell you are, you know, and they, so, but then he told me up front, he says, Coach, I'm not going to visit Pitt. I'm going to visit USC.

Speaker 1 Coach, I hosted, by the way, I hosted him on his recruiting trip.

Speaker 1 I wasn't paying him like you were paying him, though. Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 1 Well, he knows. So what happens is he doesn't even visit Penn State.
Yeah. You know, and he's from Harrisburg.
Harrisburg's

Speaker 1 an hour from college and it's farther from Pittsburgh, about two hours, two and a half. So long story short,

Speaker 1 I still continue the recruiting process because we signed a couple of guys from their team.

Speaker 1 So every time I'd come by to school, I'd see him, bye, bye, bye, go to games, see his mom, see his dad, brother, okay.

Speaker 1 So now, don't you know, I get a call from the coach. He breaks his leg.

Speaker 1 And his mother calls me and says, Coach, he's not, he's not going to school. He's not going to school anymore classes.
He's not, he's going to plunk out or whatever.

Speaker 1 So I was, I said, I'll go by and talk to him. So I went by and he was laying in the nurse's office.
You can tell him this if you see him out there. He had the shoe pulled up over his face.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I said, what are you doing? And he says, yeah, Coach, you know, I can't play anymore. Got a broken leg.
I'm done. Pete Carroll, you know, I can't go to USC.
He was going to go.

Speaker 1 Matt did a fabulous job recruiting him. He told me

Speaker 1 he said, but now, you know,

Speaker 1 I'm out.

Speaker 1 So long story short, I end up taking him under my wing and we get everything. We get the leg worked up.
We get the school worked up.

Speaker 1 And the rest is history. The rest is history.

Speaker 2 We'll leave it at that. Something I love too,

Speaker 2 you really have coached some of the more interesting players, I think, in the history of football. Just to throw three at you,

Speaker 2 Ricky Williams, who we talked about a little earlier, Charles Haley, you coached Charles Haley, right? Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 2 So first with Harbaugh, was that someone you coached that you thought, oh, this guy would make a good coach one day? Or was that not even?

Speaker 1 Was he always as strange as you, but he, you know, because coach is a different cat.

Speaker 1 I thought that

Speaker 1 was going to be a uh linebacker okay that was my part

Speaker 1 he's tough as nails man oh god tough and competitive in my first year at the bears

Speaker 1 we took well i was just we're talking to tommy waddle the other day tommy waddle was a receiver we had here you know from boston college played a long time in the league well he was the only veteran and i had ryan wetnight a free agent tight end from stamford kerry obie a free agent slot receiver from oregon uh cardis Conway was my first pick to the draft.

Speaker 1 Yeah. SC.
C-Way. So, so, and then, then Waddle, who was like, he was a mummy.
He used all the tape that we had in the training room.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we were seven and five, seven and five, my first year, guys. And we are battling.
And we can't throw the ball. It's a blizzard out.
You know, it's one of those deals.

Speaker 1 And Jim comes over and he screams, you know, he's screaming, coach, no one's getting open. And I said, I know, I'm watching the game.
What do you want me to do? You know,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 but then but then when he got the Michigan job and I really hadn't, and then Jim left after that, you know, his contract was up. He left.

Speaker 1 We signed Eric Kramer.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he and I, so I didn't have much contact with him. And then when he takes the Michigan job, Matt will remember their first game was against Utah in Utah.

Speaker 1 And John Ents, who was our vice president then at Fox or president, I don't know what John's title was. was, he called me and says, we're doing this Michigan game and Jim refuses to do interviews.

Speaker 1 He says, we're trying to get Colin Tower to go on off. He says the only guy he said he talked to is you.
Wow. I said, okay.
So

Speaker 1 I fly up to Ann Arbor and

Speaker 1 I had a heck of a story. This is the strangeness.

Speaker 1 And we, and, you know, and then after that, Jim and I would talk up until we took the job with the Chargers. In fact, even after he took the job, him and I would stay in touch, text him and so forth.

Speaker 1 We still do. Love Jim.
But he, so I'm going to tell this story that when I was at USC, I coached at USC, Jerry. I don't know if Matt,

Speaker 1 he probably don't want me being associated with SC, but

Speaker 1 I did coach at SC.

Speaker 1 And we took our defensive staff

Speaker 1 into Michigan to visit them in the spring. and talk with their defensive coaches.
And back then, coaches, that's the only way, I don't know how these guys get any better.

Speaker 1 They sit in their office and nobody talks to anybody. And they just, you know, so we went out there to watch how they practice and what can we learn and exchange ideas.

Speaker 1 That's kind of how you did it back then.

Speaker 1 So I'm watching practice. Jim's the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Bo Schumbeiker's the head coach.

Speaker 1 And Jim throws the first pass and it's three feet over the guy's head. Throws the next pass and like behind him, you know.

Speaker 1 Next one, he throws it, bounces off somebody, a defense slaps it down. Bo blows the whistle.
I've never seen this in my life. And he screamed:

Speaker 1 if we can't throw the ball any better than that, give me the football with no arrow.

Speaker 1 And the manager opens up this chest. Jerry, I'm being serious now.
He opens up a chest like it's not the first time he heard it. And he pulls a football out that's deflated.

Speaker 2 It's never been the first deflate gate.

Speaker 1 Wait, and he starts running onto the field.

Speaker 1 And Coach Schumber says, put the ball down let's go full speed well obviously they can't throw it so the defense is like you know 15 guys at the line of scrimmage and they hand it off and it's just ba-bang with a defense

Speaker 1 wait wait wait and then he bow says okay bring the football out bring the one with air out and he puts it down and he says now if we can't throw the ball any better than we did then we're coming back to the other one.

Speaker 1 So Jim goes it. So I'm telling this exact story that I'm telling you guys to Jim on the air.
Fox, I'm thinking this is going to be a great story. I'm going to break the ice.
We're going to laugh.

Speaker 1 And he looks at me and says, coach, that is an unbelievable. That's a great story.
I says, it ain't a story you would have quarterback.

Speaker 1 He doesn't remember any of it. And he kind of looks and says, yeah, it was, wasn't I? You know, but I mean, that's typical, Jim.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that never made the air, but I was so excited that I had a great, funny story to break the the ice with you know on an interview with jim his first time and it didn't it didn't work didn't work coach i think you told me we got a couple minutes left man i i think you told me okay we'll tell

Speaker 1 what what was uh

Speaker 1 didn't they did you had a funny running with charles haley didn't you tell one time when you were first coaching Yeah, I did. And again, Charles and I, we had a Super Bowl reunion a few years ago and

Speaker 1 we're good. Yeah, you guys are good.
No, I know that. Yeah.
yeah, but now, but so

Speaker 1 we would at the end of training camp every year, Jimmy and myself, and at that time it was North Carolina, we would get together and uh and have some drinks, and we would just say, Okay, where are we at?

Speaker 1 You know, what do we got to do moving forward here? Camp's over with,

Speaker 1 and so you know, we're talking offense, we got to do this, and then defensively, I said, Jimmy, you know, we and we had some good guys up front.

Speaker 1 I mean, we had Jim Jeff Code, and you know, but I said, We, we, I said, we don't, it's hard to get to the passer, Jimmy. It's hard.
We could use another pass rusher.

Speaker 1 He says, oh, boy, you know, you know, money and this and that. And so we're all fine.
About two days later, he comes in.

Speaker 1 He says, hey, you know, who just did some crazy stuff out in San Francisco was this Charles Haley. I might be able to do a deal with that thing.
I said, boy, he'd help us.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 1 Four hours later, Jimmy comes in and says, well, Charles is coming. Now, keep in mind, we're opening up

Speaker 1 that week sunday night espn against the washington redskins at that time who had just won the super bowl we're going to open up against them

Speaker 1 and jimmy said i can get we can get charles in here tomorrow

Speaker 1 and he says you think you can get him ready to play you know and this was tuesday before the game yeah i said get him in here we'll get him ready to play But Charles shows up, give him the playbook.

Speaker 1 And, you know, defensive lineman always sat in the back row of our defensive meeting room so i'm up there and back then it wasn't all just the screens now and you know all the stuff i mean you you wrote the game plan down i did anyway so i would write it on the board explain what we were going to do players were taking notes and it was it was kind of like the old-fashioned classroom stuff mats lived it yep so i'm putting in the game plan for washington And I hear this laughing and horsing around.

Speaker 1 I turn around and Charles is sitting between the the best kid we got on a theme, Chad Henning.

Speaker 1 He was out of the Air Force, right? But the Cowboys drafted him back then, but he had to do his four-year stent with the military because he was coming out of the Air Force Academy.

Speaker 1 So he was over there doing fighter jets, but he was bigger than me. He was a monster.
And

Speaker 1 we used to laugh about how he fit in those jets. But so now he's back with us.
And the guy's like, a mon he's 300 and some pounds, no fat. Discipline.
You talking about culture center?

Speaker 1 there's your culture. So Charles, and I says, hey, Charles,

Speaker 1 well, we don't do that stuff here. You know, cut it up.

Speaker 1 Turn around because I know Chad's writing down every word. Chad's like this, you're looking at the board, and Charles, I don't know if he's opened his notebook yet, probably not.
But

Speaker 1 so I turn around and I start adding to the board. Same damn thing starts.
So I turn around and I say, hey, Charles. And now I kind of go off on him.

Speaker 1 You know, this boom, boom, cussing, bullshit, blah, blah, blah blah blah blah

Speaker 1 silence meeting ends i'm cleaning the board off

Speaker 1 everybody's leaving all of a sudden the door closes i turn around everybody's gone except charles now charles i'm six four and charles haley's taller than i am so he's legit six five

Speaker 1 he gets this far from my my face and he says coach i'm just going to tell you You are lucky that I've matured or I'd kick the shit out of you right now.

Speaker 1 And I says, Charles, I'm so happy you've matured too. And we got to be on the field in 10 minutes.
Let's go. Well, here, here's the punchline.
Jimmy is so excited that he got this Charles Haley done.

Speaker 1 He's standing outside the door like a little kid at Christmas, right? Gonna open his present. The door opens.
Charles goes kind of flying by Jimmy.

Speaker 1 And I come walking out and Jimmy says, how to go with Charles? I says, fantastic.

Speaker 1 And I just kept walking and not until we were long gone years after did i ever tell him the story but i think he and he threatened me in the uh nfc championship game

Speaker 1 now now i take that because on the sidelines no no no we were playing san francisco up there it had nothing to do with me and we had another guy on the team that was a little on the edge tony could see us

Speaker 1 you know and tony was like my son i recruited him i stayed at his house trying to get him to come to oklahoma state he went there you were switcher you can tell Swifter that story, too.

Speaker 1 I was sleeping at his house and it still didn't work. Tell Barry that.
You know what I'm like?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so now he gets, he's got some problems at Atlanta. He was the first picket to draft.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And he's got, but he's got problems. So we'll take him.
And

Speaker 1 we'll take him.

Speaker 1 We bring him in at halftime. And George Sefert, they were running 36 power.

Speaker 1 And I swear it was one of those rainy, muddy, gray clay days, you know, in at San Francisco, old candlestick.

Speaker 1 And we come in at halftime

Speaker 1 and Jim Jepcoat was our one starting thing. And his uniform looks like this white tablet.
And here comes Charles and he walks in and he is covered from mud from head to toe.

Speaker 1 And they are running every power play because we used to unblock down, we would wreck it with the defensive end and kick it to the perimeter and run it down. That's how we played it.

Speaker 1 He is a mess.

Speaker 1 And he comes in and we got, you know, 12 minutes at a halftime. This is go to the Super Bowl.
And he gets this close from me again and says, coach, they are killing me out there.

Speaker 1 And it's just see for them. They want to run every play at Haley, you know, to get back at him for whatever.
You know,

Speaker 1 we'll teach you.

Speaker 1 And I says, Charles, I don't know what the you know so him and i start getting into it and i got stuff that i got to go over so i tell tony casillas talk to him get to him so tony grabs them and they start wrestling and they kind of work their way to the back of the thing and they're wrestling around

Speaker 1 screaming i'm on the board

Speaker 1 i swear half time of the copper championship game i love it and by the time by the time jimmy you know the head coach yells everybody up two minutes you know they finally come up they didn't neither one of those guys heard a damn word i said you know, and we, we, we go out and win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 So Charles was, but we wouldn't have won it without Charles.

Speaker 1 He's telling me right now, what was the difference? And our, we ended up with the number one defense in the NFL in most categories and

Speaker 1 wouldn't have done it without him.

Speaker 2 Coach, is there a game this coming weekend that you're looking forward to or do you have a good feel for these playoff games? Matt and I were talking about it earlier before we let you go.

Speaker 2 It's like there's some really good matchups, but also

Speaker 2 it could, some of these games could go truly either way. I remember in the playoffs, like you had these dominant, the Cowboys, the Niners just knew

Speaker 2 what you could expect. And this week, to me, this weekend is going to be pretty wild.
I know I like you with the running teams is kind of was my thoughts earlier.

Speaker 1 You know the team that I want to see and I'm anxious to see it if they respond. The Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm, you know, they've been disappointment. Did they win their division? Yes.
Did they have, you know, I mean, you can,

Speaker 1 they had a,

Speaker 1 people would be happy to win their division. Of course.
But C.J. Stroud didn't have the same type of year.
I think their defense has. And they, they added one of my favorite backs, Joe Mixon.

Speaker 1 We were talking, Joe Mixon. Hey, Jerry, I used to say, they said, why do you like him?

Speaker 1 I said, me and Frank Thomas used to bet because Frank and I would fly ass together when he was doing the baseball. Yeah.
I see Frank. Frank still does some shows here.
I see him in Chicago here.

Speaker 1 And he was always saying, P. Ryan's the guy.
I said, P. Ryan, when P.
Ryan, he's a great player, still playing. I said, but when he gets the ball, does he make you get out of your chair?

Speaker 1 And Frank said, I said, when Joe Mixon gets that ball, Coach, okay.

Speaker 1 You're getting

Speaker 1 fighting for so. Yeah, you have ever all at the Oklahoma days.
He loves the running backs.

Speaker 1 So they add him to the mix out there at Houston. And

Speaker 1 I'm anxious to see if they can come alive. And if CJ Stroud, Matt, you would know more than anybody about the quarterback because he hasn't had a great year.

Speaker 1 Can he just turn that switch on and get back to where he was last year? Because if he can, their defense is good enough to make a serious run here. But I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's one I'm keeping an eye on. I was telling Jerry, it's really hard, as you know, to turn a switch on.

Speaker 1 Like when you have a year like that, all of a sudden, especially when they lost some receivers and Nico Collins is there. but um, yeah, we'll see, Coach, honestly, man, I missed hearing your stories.

Speaker 1 I was telling Jerry all week, I said, Coach is the best, he's one of my favorite human beings.

Speaker 1 I want to say this right now: I would love to have you on every once in a while just to tell stories because we're here, we do this every week of the year, Coach.

Speaker 1 And I know you might get a little bored there in the offseason, so we want to have you back on to tell some stories.

Speaker 2 I'll come to Naples, I'll play some golf with you, and we'll tell some stories, it'll be great.

Speaker 1 I uh

Speaker 1 the other college game, too, real quick: Notre Dame, Penn State. I'm taking Penn State, but it's gonna be a tough one.
That's a tough, that's a tough call, but I can't

Speaker 1 Matt probably gonna. I do a TV show with the Big Ten Network every week, so I'm I'm as up on the college stuff here.
Coach, do you like you like Ohio State to win it all?

Speaker 1 I do, yeah, I do too.

Speaker 1 I do, I, you know, when they got over that Michigan game, I'm so sick of the SEC and hearing all that stuff. I know,

Speaker 1 I really am, you know, when they, when they just dominated tennessee and sent them home uh

Speaker 1 you know to me that that that was a message brian day brian day did a great job because i wasn't sure how they were going to respond after that michigan loss so you really wasn't so you got penn state ohio state in the championship with a lot with ohio state winning it all big 10 i love it buddy uh yeah

Speaker 1 give my best to jan please appreciate you coming on buddy we'll talk to you soon okay all right sounds good jerry good talking good talking to you too all right now it's time for dynamic duos presented by Wendy's.

Speaker 2 Two faves for just seven bucks. Got to be Wendy's.
Terms apply. So we're doing something fun now here.

Speaker 2 Each week at throwbacks, we're going to pick a category and Matt and I are going to name our all-time favorite duo pertaining to that category.

Speaker 2 For instance, if it was NBA duo, I doubt any of us would say Stockton and Malone, but that would maybe be in there somewhere.

Speaker 1 You would do Jon Starks and Patrick Ewing.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 So this week, in honor of the Golden Globes, we are going to do our dream hosting duos. So this won't be a duo you've seen before.
We're making this duo up brand new.

Speaker 2 So Matt, if you were going to attend an awards show and you're getting honored this weekend, what's a hosting duo, say for the Golden Globes, you would love to see?

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 Golden Globes is what?

Speaker 1 TV?

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, it's everything.

Speaker 1 Movies, TV. That's a party one, too.
That's all drive. That's a drinking party.

Speaker 1 That's a drinking show dude i this was actually a lot of fun because i just like obviously this is not you know this is more your lane so i have a i'm just going to throw a couple at i i want to get your reaction to a couple guys okay this one is just more for shock value okay will smith and chris rock

Speaker 1 don't you kind of want it don't you kind of want to see like

Speaker 1 See what would happen again?

Speaker 2 Like, it's already been played out, but that would be a huge ratings boost for all award shows. That is a great first start.

Speaker 1 So, so, so, okay, but my fate, my favorite one, and this is arguably my favorite movie of all time, is Wedding Crashers.

Speaker 1 So, I want to, I want to bring Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson back, and I want them to do. I know, and maybe Bradley Cooper makes a cameo from the crowd, right? So, you have all three.

Speaker 1 And then that was like Bradley Cooper's kind of send-off, right? Wasn't it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, for sure. That's where he burst on the scene.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he kind of burst on the scene. Vince Vaughan, Owen Wilson doing some type of like

Speaker 1 bit in the monologue to open up about like weddings. Wouldn't that be freaking hilarious? That'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like yours. That would be

Speaker 1 yeah, that would be my number one would be Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson. It's just like, there's a million dude like duos that would be cool, but that's my all-time favorite movie.

Speaker 2 So I really tried to think if I was going to attend, say, the Golden Globes, which I've had the pleasure of going to. So The first guy I'm going to bring up, he's never hosted the Golden Globe Awards.

Speaker 2 He's hosted some things, but we just saw his Netflix special. To me, this man would be the greatest host for any award show because of his talents, Jamie Foxx.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a beast.

Speaker 2 Jamie Foxx does comedy. He's an Oscar-winning actor and does unbelievable impressions.
And musically, he's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the perfect host. So he's in like my anchor chair almost.
He's the guy in there, but

Speaker 2 you know who's going to come in and eat up some innings just to fuck shit up? We're bringing back Ricky Gervais. We all know Ricky Gervais's opening monologue.

Speaker 2 We see it on Twitter and on Instagram shocking all the guests.

Speaker 2 Lots of pearl clutching going on in the audience.

Speaker 2 So Jamie Foxx is going to lead us through for the entertainment, but then when we want to really hit the casuals who maybe wouldn't watch the award show, Ricky, they'll show up for Ricky Gervais.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's Ricky Gervais coming in like full, just guns blazing like he did last year. Throwing heat.
Just the Hollywood elite just cringing in their seats all time, dude.

Speaker 1 That was, I don't really watch the Golden Globes a lot. I actually watched them this past week a little bit.
Nikki Glazer did great too.

Speaker 2 She was awesome as a host.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Chalamay, right? Our boy, our boy one.
Chalame. Chalamay.
He's, we got to get hit. Let's reach for the stars.
Oh, we're good.

Speaker 1 He's a sports fan.

Speaker 1 Jamie Foxx is great. His special was great.
Glad he's healthy again was unbelievable. That'd be a fun duo.
You're right. That'd be a fun duo.

Speaker 2 And go watch his special if you haven't already. Trust me.
you'll laugh. You'll cry for sure.
It's very emotional. And he put his whole heart into it.
All right.

Speaker 1 He really did.

Speaker 2 Time for throwback three. The NFL playoffs is upon us.
We're going to look at some of

Speaker 2 our throwback three of just NFL playoff runs. And whatever that means to you, it could be upset driven.
It could be just favorite driven. It could be player-driven.
NFL playoff. runs.

Speaker 2 Matt, would you like to start first with your throwback three?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so my third, I'm actually a a little disappointed in this one, but you're going to be happy. Eli Manning, 2011 Giants.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wanted your reaction. I wanted to see your reaction.

Speaker 2 I didn't know which year you were going, but I had to imagine one was being there.

Speaker 1 Basically,

Speaker 1 quickly beat Falcons, Packers, Niners, and then

Speaker 1 Super Bowl against Tom.

Speaker 1 A little trivia question for you, because when I was doing some research here, there's actually a couple of trivia questions that came out of my throwback three. Nine and seven record

Speaker 1 going into the playoffs. Became one of three teams to reach the Super Bowl with under 10 wins at the time.
Can you name the other two?

Speaker 2 Can you name the other two? Well, I definitely're Arizona. You said reach the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Your Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 2 Yep. And I want to say a team that I'm going to start off with as my number three.
I'm guessing here. So I'm previewing my 2001 Pats.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 they won 10 games. 79 Rams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, old school.

Speaker 1 But obviously, like that was, I think it was kind of Victor Ruse's, Victor Cruz's kind of coming out party that year. Victor Cruz

Speaker 2 Ahmad Bradshaw in the backfield, Derek Ward, the defense with Justin Tuck. And oh, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Strahan had just retired, I think, the year before. So like Tuck was like, it was just like one of those years where I don't think anybody really thought they were going to be that good.

Speaker 1 And then they ended up going on a run at nine and seven.

Speaker 2 So that's let me ask before I give you my number three,

Speaker 2 the polarizing thing quickly.

Speaker 2 But eli eli's a hall of famer to you right first ballot okay i know but to you for your for your money one yes one thousand there's not an argument against thank you in my opinion being in the hall of fame i love argue that's that was one of my favorite twitter arguments back in the day that's going to be gone now soon but yes okay it's so yeah my my number three was the 2001 pats and the basically the entrance into the greatest quarterback of all time that was a run just week by week, grinding out those games

Speaker 2 and then going against the greatest show on turf. So 2001 Pats easily could be number one here, but that is a run because no one thought a Tom Brady-led Pats was going to win a Super Bowl that year.

Speaker 1 So that's my number one and started maybe the greatest dynasty in the history of sport if you think about it.

Speaker 1 All right, number two.

Speaker 1 Kind of a no-brainer, Nick Foles, Philly Eagles.

Speaker 1 Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 I know Andrew's pumped um 2017 just a little bit of numbers three averaged 324 yards per game i got my notes six touchdowns one interception they ran through atlanta minnesota uh and then obviously the patriots in the super bowl he beat tom brady not a lot of people have beaten tom brady in the super bowl um carson wentz goes down toward the end of the year i think it was week 14 or 15 and follows comes in and just like they don't miss a step man and he takes it and then obviously the philly special which was the incredible, where he catches the touchdown.

Speaker 1 And again,

Speaker 1 this is my other trivia question. Got some good stuff.
I'm just turning this into trivia. I know.
This is great. Three quarterbacks to catch a reception in the Super Bowl.
Only three.

Speaker 1 He's obviously one of them. Can you name the other two? Oh, man.
That's a.

Speaker 1 They came before him. So he was the third quarterback to catch a ball in the Super Bowl.
Not a touchdown, just a reception, these other two.

Speaker 1 I mean, you'll just take a wild guess. I don't have it.

Speaker 1 They're both Hall of Famers.

Speaker 2 Not Big Ben, right?

Speaker 1 No. Okay, I gave up tapping out.

Speaker 1 Jim Kelly and John Elway.

Speaker 1 Elway? I got to be honest.

Speaker 1 I don't know the game. That was just popped up.

Speaker 1 But shout out to Nick Foles, Eagles that year. Foles had a great career, man.
I remember him coming out of Arizona, I think it was.

Speaker 1 But Eagles, Rams, Chiefs went back to the Eagles for that Super Bowl run. Jags, Bears, Colts played for a lot of teams.

Speaker 1 Now he's like a professional pickleballer, which I'm jealous of because he's a stud. But

Speaker 1 what a great run, man. That was incredible.
Anytime a backup quarterback leads to a Super Bowl win, it's got to go down as one of the greatest runs ever.

Speaker 2 So my number two,

Speaker 2 okay, this is my list, okay? So

Speaker 2 you could insult it as much as you want. I'm just giving you one in recent memory that stood out.
It did not result in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 But to me, as far as there was a team making a run that didn't fully get to the Super Bowl, but do you remember the Rabull Titans run on the road beating Brady and the Pats,

Speaker 2 then going into,

Speaker 2 I think it's Tan, then going into Baltimore as like we're seeing this week, Baltimore is almost a 10-point favorite versus they went into Baltimore 10-point underdogs and beat the shit out of Lamar and the Ravings.

Speaker 2 That was the one where I think Ravel said, if we win this game, I'll cut my

Speaker 2 off and eat it. Something like that.
He said to the players, he said something ridiculous like that. I know it's a weird one for number two.

Speaker 2 There's another one I would have put in, but I'm leaving it for you. I think you're going to say it.
Maybe you won't. I don't know.

Speaker 2 But that one just stuck out to me in recent memory. And I didn't want to make this all Giants.
I didn't want to go 1990 Giants on you.

Speaker 2 The greatest day of my life

Speaker 2 was when the Giants, well, when they beat the Niners in the NFC Championship game with that Matt Barr field goal, my uncle and I were so excited.

Speaker 2 He took me right. This is the greatest 10-year-old day.

Speaker 2 Giants win the game to go to the Super Bowl. And then my uncle takes me to the movie theater to see Home Alone.
That all happened in one day for me.

Speaker 1 What a fucking day.

Speaker 2 That was a day. But

Speaker 2 I don't want to make this happen.

Speaker 1 You just talked about Home Alone.

Speaker 1 You made a dick joke and the Titans and Ray Ball all in one. It's a wild trail today.
Good for you, buddy. All right, number one.

Speaker 1 Now, you're not going to, this is, when you look at this, it's obvious. But actually, after talking to Coach Wanstead, I'm going with the 1985 Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 Okay, let me give you a little history lesson here, Jerry Ferrara. Okay, coach, coached by Mike Ditka, right? 15-1 record.
The only loss came to the Dolphins that year. The defense was led by who?

Speaker 2 The Singletary and

Speaker 1 Buddy Ryan. Oh, the coordinator, yeah.
Which then the 46 defense, which is the bear defense, was sort of revolutionized, right? And that's when we play Madden, you see the 46.

Speaker 1 The bear defense, for everybody listening, is when the no, when the center and both guards are covered, that is the bear defense, and then it allows other guys on the outside.

Speaker 1 So, when the center and both guards are covered, that is when you get a bear defense or the 46 defense back then. They gave up 12 points per game, they had 54 takeaways that year, okay?

Speaker 1 But here's the greatest playoff run of all time for a defense.

Speaker 1 In three playoff games, they gave up 10 points. They beat the Giants 21-0 in the divisional round.
They beat the Rams 24-0. And then they beat the Patriots 46-10 in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 The greatest, arguably the greatest team to ever do it. Yeah.
The 1985 Bears with the greatest playoff run of all time. Okay, I'll shut up now.
You got this number one.

Speaker 1 But really quick, I know you didn't win the Super Bowl, but you lived, you played through a a run like you you just didn't want to was that you didn't want to be selfish and say the 2008 cardinals well by the way the 2000 that's an amazing run amazing run and larry fitzgerald had an incredible run that for so i think fitz averaged like 150 yards receiving a game that run he was incredible had the big super bowl um we went in i've told this story before

Speaker 1 real quickly that year we were i think we finished eight and eight or nine and seven we were terrible but we we won our division um

Speaker 1 We played Philly on Thanksgiving. We got our ass kicked.
We played New England in late November in a blizzard against Matt Castle and Randy and West Walker. We lost like by 35.

Speaker 1 We limped into the playoff and then we made the run. And I would

Speaker 1 set this run up. I think we played Atlanta.

Speaker 1 or Green Bay one. And then we ended up Carolina was the number one seed or the number two seed.
We beat Carolina that year in Carolina. They did not scare us.

Speaker 1 And we're like, dude, we're going to beat them. I think we beat, I think we beat them in.
Is that Delom?

Speaker 1 It was Jake Delome. And we handled them up in Carolina.
And then the way it worked out is Philly made the run as a wild card.

Speaker 1 So we ended up hosting an NFC championship game at nine and seven or whatever. At nine and seven against McNabb and the Eagles, who were really good.
They were on their run.

Speaker 1 And we beat them in the NFC title game. And then we ended up playing Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl.
And honestly, we should have won if

Speaker 1 anyway. But yeah, you're right.
It was a great run.

Speaker 2 It was a great run. I left that one for you because that easily, that's why that would have been my number two.

Speaker 1 My number one.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's the 07 Giants.

Speaker 2 I feel like you probably left that one for me. You did do 2011.
I appreciate that. But, and what made that run so special, of course, was beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 But then that final week game, the thing that stood out was this whole play starters, don't play starters. Giants could not improve upon their seed that year.

Speaker 2 They were locked in at whatever it was, six seed, whatever it was, five seed. But the Pats were going for undefeated.
So Coughlin had that choice.

Speaker 2 Should I just rest my starters or should I play them and try and take out this undefeated season? And he played all his starters, and it was a great game.

Speaker 2 The Giants, it was actually like a Moss 50-yard touchdown that iced it. But that was a game.

Speaker 1 Wasn't it? I think that's what the Giants learned. Was that that mario manningham catch down the sideline yes no no no no that was in the playoff run that was a super bowl

Speaker 1 playoff run which to me that's the most underrated throw

Speaker 2 because that thing is in the only spot that only manning could have caught it so that propelled the giants but the thing that always stood out to that run was it was all on the road They just were on the road in that game against Green Bay when I think it was Tines misses like four field goals that could have ended the game.

Speaker 2 And then it's just the best. It's the best run.
Sorry to do it.

Speaker 2 And if you have better ones ones out it really it's a great it's by the way it's a great run you're absolutely right and you give it to eli but it's hard to give it to just eli because that team had so many things going on so somehow some way our new york giants find their way i just don't like i i i will replace my vrabel titans trying to be cool pick with the 2008 cardinals i thought you were gonna take it i left it for you no i i i i had it i it was in my honorable mention but i was like you know i should have i should have not had the and hitting incentives the whole way, right?

Speaker 2 Each round, getting them checks.

Speaker 1 We all made a couple hundred G's that year. And hey, and sold my Super Bowl tickets.
Shout out there, too.

Speaker 1 I won't say to who, but I made a good amount of money on my Super Bowl tickets.

Speaker 2 One day I'll get that out of you who you sold that to.

Speaker 2 Listen, enjoy the playoffs, everybody. Enjoy college and NFL playoffs.
And again,

Speaker 2 thoughts to everybody out there in LA. Please stay safe.
And yeah, everyone, be safe out there.