College Football Playoff, NFL MVP Debate, Saquon sitting & Darnold Delivering

Speaker 1 Cole and his friends, like, think Jason Tatum sucks.

Speaker 1 That's their take. He sucks.
He stinks. Do you know what the response was on a text? He's got no aura to him.
What does that even mean? I don't even know.

Speaker 1 I was like, bro, I was like, I was like, guys,

Speaker 1 what does that mean? Oh, dad, he's just got no aura to him.

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Speaker 1 Matt Liner.

Speaker 1 What a weekend and week and all of it. I don't even know where to begin.
I feel like my brain exploded twice over this break.

Speaker 1 That's because we have children three and five years old. It's so funny, man, because it's like holidays are wrapped up.

Speaker 1 And there's, I was thinking about this the other day, like there's so much buildup to Christmas, right? Especially with little ones. And it's exciting.
And I get excited.

Speaker 1 We talked about this on the show like last month about when are we going to put up the tree and the and the decorations and all that.

Speaker 1 It happens. And then the Christmas music and the parties and you go to the Cleveland Orchestra and you want to like, you want to just, you know,

Speaker 1 choke yourself because you have to sit in that Santa. Like all the events, right? We had a hundred person Santa party and then Christmas happens and it was incredible.

Speaker 1 And it's always for the kids and they have a blast. And then, and then there's New Year's.
And then I got to be honest with you, I am so damn happy that the holidays are over. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's all of a sudden, like, I love it so much. And then when it's over, I'm like, get the shit out of here.
I'm ready. I'm like, it's done.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, it's like almost you turn your mind off. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's been great with the kids, like you said, but it never quite equals out with the hype, you know, and then it kind of goes in an instant. But,

Speaker 1 you know, I do remember even like back in the day, I'd fly back from New York to LA.

Speaker 1 I'd leave, like I'd come to New York for Christmas, December 26th, right back on the plane for LA, because LA during New Year's Eve, and I'm talking LA proper, is a magical place because everyone's gone.

Speaker 1 Most of the town is gone because no one from like LA is really from LA.

Speaker 1 But what I used to hate was, and especially with Hollywood, it used to go like New Year's Eve, people come back to third for a few days, and it's like Sundance film.

Speaker 1 The whole month of January doesn't count in Hollywood. At least that's how it used to be.
No one goes back to work. Sundance is great.

Speaker 1 Yes. I got some good memories at Sundance.

Speaker 1 What was your New Year's like?

Speaker 1 Was it riveted?

Speaker 1 New Year's Eve was not riveted. It's about the kids, right? We know this.
Let's just say we went to a New Year's Eve party. The ball dropped was like 7.30 p.m.
local for us.

Speaker 1 I hosted a hotly contested Uno Uno game with seven six-year-olds, and I was also the host of Bingo. And on Christmas Day, I was the host of Family Feud.

Speaker 1 I played with, I got Bree's whole family, and I channeled Steve Harvey, and I hosted a whole Family Feud game. By the way,

Speaker 1 how was Christmas Day? I think we talked about like, because it was great. NFL

Speaker 1 was great, I thought, right? I mean, Netflix, whatever, it was fine.

Speaker 1 LeBron came out and said it's our day, yet the ratings didn't say so. It's not your day.
NFL is king,

Speaker 1 it doesn't matter. NFL is king, no matter what day of the year.

Speaker 1 Was it good? Like, did you get a chance to watch the games? It was fine. I didn't really get to watch games.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you, to me, what was the most useful, and then we're going to preview what we got coming up.

Speaker 1 The college playoffs on New Year's Eve, the way it was laid out, what really came up clutch for me because it was at a party where all the kids were kind of in the basement, me and a bunch of the other dads.

Speaker 1 I watched most of those games that day. Christmas, I saw nothing.
And today we got some fun stuff. We're going to do our throwback three.

Speaker 1 And you came up with this one later, comeback athletes in football, because we have some great ones competing for that award this year.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to talk college football playoffs in just a second, but also

Speaker 1 I can't wait for this.

Speaker 1 Matt and I, we often talk, you know, you have an 18-year-old son who has a bunch of friends. Sports is a big part of your life.
My 16-year-old nephew plays a little high school football.

Speaker 1 He's kind of late in sports. He didn't didn't start really all in for sports till 13, so he started high school.
And now he rivals Nick Wright and Skip Bayless and Stephen A with the takes.

Speaker 1 He is a take machine. Oh.
And it really came out of the world. Nick Wright's been taking a beating the last few years.
I'm going to keep giving him beatings because that dude is just on one.

Speaker 1 But he's a big Josh Allen fan. And that's what we're going to do.
He will ride or die for Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 And I think the NFL is starting to become like the NBA where the younger generation, how they used to like the Warriors because they like Steph Curry, that generation is now grown up.

Speaker 1 I think the NFL is turning into that a little bit with fans.

Speaker 1 Well, it's so funny, man, because I don't know. Like we grew up in a different era, right? Obviously.

Speaker 1 And I was thinking about this too, because we grew up in an era without...

Speaker 1 access to our phone and access to like social media clips and watching highlight like like we had to watch a game on tv we had to like and you watched the whole game or you whatever sport it was, and you'd look forward to those games a week.

Speaker 1 And you were super, I don't know, like, I remember like, I was very invested in the Lakers as a young kid and the Dodgers, because that's what I grew up with. And that's all we had.

Speaker 1 I didn't have like, I wasn't on my phone during game. I was ever seeing highlights and all this stuff.
And then as my oldest son, Cole, who's 18, got older and his friends, and I'm excited to

Speaker 1 talk with your, with your nephew, because it's just pure ignorance talking to them about sports because he grow up and he'd be like, he was a Clipper fan and he was a Clipper fan for obvious reasons.

Speaker 1 We won't have to get into those, but I'd be like, he'd be like, oh, the Clippers are the best. The Lakers are shit.
And this is like at 13 years old. I'm like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Then I'll be like, then I'll be like, okay, why are the Lakers bad? Will they just like, you know, like, hey, like, at least give me, give me a rebuttal. Give me the point.
Yeah, give me the point.

Speaker 1 That's it. If you're old enough to have a take, then give, then back up your opinion with some research or facts.
Nothing. They just suck.
They're terrible.

Speaker 1 And then I go back to like, well, why don't you go back and watch some highlights of Showtime Lakers? Why don't you go watch some Kobe highlights?

Speaker 1 And so like that conversation trying as, and I, and all the, all the dads and our boys and our audience listening can relate to this.

Speaker 1 When you have a nephew or friends of like that are 15 to 18 years old, their sports takes are fucking ridiculous. And they're so bad.
And

Speaker 1 it's like literally, I've gotten in fights with these conversations with my son. and his friends, but then I'm realizing like, who's the idiot?

Speaker 1 I'm the idiot who's 40 trying to argue with a 16-year-old telling me that Steph Curry's overrated. Like, literally, he's overrated.
Or, oh, really? How so?

Speaker 1 Well, we could really blame like LeBron and MJ because that was the generation, like, right behind me, the big debate was LeBron, MJ. Now, that LeBron generation's grown up.

Speaker 1 There's a whole other generation starting to watch them. But I remember being my nephew's age and having sports arguments, but you couldn't answer the question.
Like,

Speaker 1 here's why Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen. He had had this many rushes.

Speaker 1 Well, now that we used to argue for days about stats that we couldn't find at the tip of our fingers, and now he answers the question while I'm still making my points.

Speaker 1 Like, I actually know Josh Allen has more rushing touchdowns. Well,

Speaker 1 that's also the problem, too, is we get, and this is what bothers me as a former athlete. It's like, and I get it, like, we get so enamored with just stats, right?

Speaker 1 Like, okay, dude, Lamar, and Lamar's great. And just you, like, Joe Burroughs got the best stats in the NFL.

Speaker 1 We're not even talking about the NFL as far as touchdowns, but like we get so enamored with like

Speaker 1 Steph Curry shooting all these threes and the numbers.

Speaker 1 Like sometimes you have to dive a little deeper, obviously, when you're talking about like MVP or you're talking about what makes this athlete great.

Speaker 1 Like the other day, like my, my buddy and, or my, uh, Cole and his friends, like, think Jason Tatum sucks. Like, like, Jason Tatum sucks.
Like, like, sucks. He stinks.
And you know what they answer?

Speaker 1 Do you know what, do you know what the response was on a text? He's got no aura to him. What does that even mean? I don't even know.
I was like, bro, I was like, I was like, guys,

Speaker 1 what does that mean? Oh, dad, he's just got no aura to him. Like, that's, I think that's the new word for like swag.
Like, he's got no, you know, like, which makes sense. But I'm like, so he sucks.

Speaker 1 in your opinion because he's got no aura got no aura he's boring just won an nba championship you know how i i i don't care you don't have to like guys but like my thing is like you got to respect you got to respect the game because the game is good i think it's fun i think the conversations are hysterical.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to talk to your, your boy and just see, see where he goes with this because I feel like I might actually agree with him on some things, but.

Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing I'm most afraid of is his, a lot of the times his comeback is like, well, you didn't even play high school football. So what do you know? And he's played high school football.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Good for him. But I push back.
You've been in the weeds, Jerry. You have it, buddy.
Like, you got to get more playing time before you start yelling at me like that.

Speaker 1 But now, if he has a freaking Heisman winner and someone who played in the NFL as a starting quarterback on his side, you potentially could start my 2025 off in a rough spot with him.

Speaker 1 I can't wait, dude. If you agree.

Speaker 1 What's he Gen Z? What are we, Gen Z? Alpha. There's all these, there's all these generation.
It will be a generational quarterback discussion. Before we hit college football,

Speaker 1 I feel like we had like a social media beef, you and I, while over the break.

Speaker 1 I couldn't tell if you were, I almost said I texted you. I couldn't tell if you were actually telling me I'm like a, like a, a hater or if you were just breaking my balls.
I couldn't tell.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I wasn't. It's all over fantasy football.
I was dead serious. I think your take on fantasy football is absolutely fucking stupid.

Speaker 1 My take, which I it's just, you have, you talk about, you're big on lazy takes. I think your fantasy football take is just a lazy take.
Lazy, you said it's boring.

Speaker 1 Like I think fantasy football is lazy. Well, then and then and then we talked about this.
And well, what

Speaker 1 okay, first of all, we talked about this.

Speaker 1 the fact that i i think it's more the leagues that you're in and the people that you're surrounded because you made it clear a lot of these leagues this and you were you were describing your league i'm in five fantasy football leagues it's probably way too many i was in two championships this past week and i lost both of them now i came out i it was it was brutal but i wasn't upset because i'm like you know what this is what i signed up for This is what I played.

Speaker 1 I got to the finals. It just wasn't my day.
Okay. It just wasn't my day.
I didn't know Chuba Hubber was going to go on IR three days before the fucking final. Okay.
It's okay.

Speaker 1 I ran into Malik neighbors who wanted to get 50 points. That's just what it is.
But I enjoy, I enjoy the fantasy football giving me incentive to watch on Sunday.

Speaker 1 I don't have the luxury like you to bet in the state of California. And that might be, that's part of my take.
What you say is literally.

Speaker 1 That's part. But if I did, I would just, I would just bet more and play fantasy.

Speaker 1 And for me, playing with my oldest son and good buddies and talking some shit and just and just enjoying a Sunday when I have to be with the kids and the family day, but I can scroll through my phone if I'm at church and my wife yells at me and I look at the thing, I'm like, okay, fuck, I'm winning this game so far.

Speaker 1 It's just fun.

Speaker 1 It's fun. And if you win, you make a little dough.
If you lose, you know, you get them next year. And you think it's boring.

Speaker 1 You think it's

Speaker 1 boring. Okay, let's roll a couple of things back and we don't have to.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If you are in a friend league where it's your buddies from whatever, high school, college, you work with, and you are a part of each other, and you guys watch games together.

Speaker 1 Maybe even there's a live draft. Who knows? I'm off.

Speaker 1 That's that's a camaraderie league. That was never my point.
And I said that wasn't my point in my tweet. I said, if you're part of that, that's great.
More power to you. I am no longer part of that.

Speaker 1 None of my friends want to draft in person. No one goes out to watch games anymore.
Maybe I'm just an old fuck, and that's what it is. That's what it is.

Speaker 1 Okay, but I mean, I've been doing this since 1993. Forgive me for being a little burned out.
I'm going to read you

Speaker 1 the roster in one of my leagues. This was the championship.
But see, I don't, but the roster. No, I'm going to stop you there.
I don't care. I don't care about your roster.
That's where we're wrong.

Speaker 1 But this is where fantasy is boring and dumb. Bryce Young, Justin Jefferson, fine.
Love it. All good.
DJ Moore, really? Dantavian Wicks, Zach Charbonnet, Black Shear, Abdullah, Mark Andrews.

Speaker 1 This is a team that was two points away from winning the championship. Okay, but that's also.
How did they even get there? Was that a 14-team league?

Speaker 1 No, it was actually a 12. I thought it was 14.
That's 12. Fuck, 12 is terrible, too.
I'm in a 12-team league. I think it's trash.
10 is the perfect number.

Speaker 1 10. So it's just too random.
By the way, why? It's too random. And head-to-head is the worst thing that ever happened to fantasy football.
Head-to-head, okay, so great.

Speaker 1 You're in third place, but you have like the second second lowest points in your league, but somehow you also have the least amount of points scored against you, and you're in third place.

Speaker 1 How is that like a prediction?

Speaker 1 You're not in third place based on wins and losses. You're in third place.
No, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Say you're in third place because of wins and losses, but you have the second lowest points scored in the league. Yeah.
How does that make sports?

Speaker 1 Because sports are unpredictable, dude. Football is unpredictable.

Speaker 1 I will argue head to head is the worst thing to happen in a fantasy two hours. I think it's trash.
I think your take on fantasy football.

Speaker 1 Are you still starting a kicker? That's your league. Okay, so you like your Super Bowl being decided by some kicker.

Speaker 1 You put no real research into drafting that you probably just grabbed off the waiver wire.

Speaker 1 That's not true. No, that's not true.
Oh, Jeff Boswell? Jeff Boswell? No, I drafted Justin Tucker, who was terrible this year.

Speaker 1 And you know how I picked up McLaughlin for Tampa Bay, who balled for me the last three weeks because that was a great waiver wire pickup. Would you say he helped you get to the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was solid. Okay.
I didn't lose. By the way, I didn't lose.

Speaker 1 I feel like I got you on the ropes. Next point.
By the way,

Speaker 1 I lost.

Speaker 1 One second.

Speaker 1 I lost because Malik Neighbors decided to go for 48 points in this league that I'm in, who his last great game was like week three. Okay, so I should be pissed.
It happens.

Speaker 1 Mike Evans decided to have three touchdowns last week. Derrick Henry's a beast, and Josh Allen's a beast.
I know those two were beasts.

Speaker 1 Then Then my boys who decided to not show up were Kyron Williams and Joe Mixon and Chuba Hubbard. My running backs led me to the title this year.
They all didn't show up. I mean, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 It's football. I'm not mad.
You aren't one of the hundreds, if not thousands, of people who lost to the Rando, who picked up the Atlanta Falcons versus the Giants and Falcons defense put up 28 points.

Speaker 1 That's called fantasy football's. It's brand.

Speaker 1 I understand it's luck. To me, it swung too far in the luck randomness department.

Speaker 1 What I used to love is thinking I'm doing

Speaker 1 New Yorker. This is just your New Yorker.
Stick with me on this.

Speaker 1 I used to love thinking that I was actually doing research no one else was doing.

Speaker 1 And maybe I could find a sleeper that no one else could find that I was super high on, that I was going to take in the fifth round. Everyone's drafting off the same big board research.

Speaker 1 That's at a click of a finger. And you're at a draft.
If you're doing an automated draft, it feels like a sim. Half the league is auto-picking by like the sixth sixth or two.
Auto-picking.

Speaker 1 If someone auto-picks I'm in, no, they're booted from the league. We don't auto-pick.

Speaker 1 I like that. But I was in high-stakes leagues where guys were auto-drafted.
Well, then you need to tell someone who's paying $2,000 for a league they can't auto-draft. You want to know what?

Speaker 1 There's got to be some type of money.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 how could you argue? He made the playoffs with an auto-generated team. Let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 I'm going to sleep. okay at night knowing that I'm going to play fantasy football in five leagues next year and I'm going to be happy about it.
I'm going to try

Speaker 1 to say, no, you and I are going to join a league together. This is what we're going to do.
We're going to join a high-stakes league. We're going to have some fucking fun doing it.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to invest a little. I don't invest a ton of time on the waiver wire.
I don't do a ton of research. I kind of, I go with my gut.

Speaker 1 My gut, I'm a very good fantasy, although three leagues, I got my ass kicked this year. I draft well.
I kind of know the players. It is what it is.
It's luck. You're part of the problem.

Speaker 1 Well, look,

Speaker 1 I think we either start our own, I'll commission it. We'll make it high stakes and I have some big roles.

Speaker 1 Or I might join. Everyone on Twitter was saying to do a guillotine league, which I think I was texting you.
I just might try to. I know, like, the auction.
I play just basic, man.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't have enough time to learn a new freaking league and like

Speaker 1 auction in the keeper leagues and all that. Like, I just, I like my normal fantasy PPR.
Betting is so much better. And maybe that's what I'm doing.
By the way,

Speaker 1 I'm going to bet too when I can.

Speaker 1 Well, speaking of betting, something that I made a decent amount of money on throughout the first round was the college football playoffs.

Speaker 1 How great is the playoffs? It was great. And I just took all favorites early on because it just looked like smart.
It just looked like to me, I mean, I got to see until these upsets start happening.

Speaker 1 So I had a few parlays where I'm just taking, I did a few money lines with all the favorites and then I just did a few point scores.

Speaker 1 So now after the second round, Matt, you've went to it, first of all, you went to three of them in person.

Speaker 1 And now having watched two full rounds of the college football playoff system, what was your takeaways?

Speaker 1 Look,

Speaker 1 I'm so, I'm really tired of

Speaker 1 like just the negative narrative around the college football playoff. And what I mean by that is like, obviously, there's not a fair system.
Like, like, it's just not. It's impossible in college.

Speaker 1 Like, NFL has their seatings and system and all that, and it works.

Speaker 1 College is different because there's a million teams and it's a 12-team playoff, which I think at some point it's going to get to 16.

Speaker 1 I do think there needs to be some tweaks with the reseeding and all of that kind of stuff, right? So that we don't get some of the potential blowouts that we got in the first round.

Speaker 1 But again, that's sports. There's blowouts in the NFL playoffs.
There's all sorts that happens every year.

Speaker 1 I just, when I'm watching these games, I love college football so much.

Speaker 1 I love to playing it.

Speaker 1 I love talking about it. It's my job.
It's my passion. I think there's nothing better than college sports and college football.

Speaker 1 I wish we could all just sit and enjoy these games without the narrative of like, well, this team should have get in and this team. Like coaches are going to talk shit.
Like

Speaker 1 things happen, but I see it so much online. I'm just like, I actually tweeted it out this week.
I was just like, can we just fucking, can we just enjoy these kids playing?

Speaker 1 I don't care if they make money. Like, can we enjoy these games and these kids playing and the passion they have and the fans and the passion they have? So that's one thing.

Speaker 1 I love it, man. I thought we had, I mean, we had some great games this week.
I mean, Arizona State, Texas was a good one. By the way, and this is why I love college football.

Speaker 1 Nobody gave Arizona State a shot to win that game. They had a buy.
I think they were almost 14-point dogs going up against Texas, the mighty SEC.

Speaker 1 And by the way, I mean, a targeting call should have happened. Maybe Arizona State wins that game.
Again,

Speaker 1 I hate making excuses, but that was a blatant missed penalty by those refs.

Speaker 1 That game was freaking awesome. Cam Scataboo, are you kidding me, dude? Like, we've been talking about him all year.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen him play? Like, have you heard of him before this week? So

Speaker 1 I have heard of him. Have I seen tons of

Speaker 1 Scataboo highlights? No. I always liked that he was known to throw the ball here or there.

Speaker 1 He is.

Speaker 1 I follow that with him. I definitely not a guy I would have expected to have that kind of a game.
Like, I love, I love, see, I just love, like, I love the

Speaker 1 platform and the opportunity that a guy like that had. Right.
Now he's going to get, well, he should get drafted regardless because he's a really good football player. 30 carries.

Speaker 1 He was one for one passing. He had eight catches for 99 yards.
He threw up on the sideline and just said,

Speaker 1 like, the dude was a beast. And by the way, he talked his shit before the game, basically saying, I'm the best running back in college football.
And he backed it up, man.

Speaker 1 And so, like, I just think performances like that and games like that is why we love and then we had and then we had the Rose Bowl which wasn't a great game but I'll tell you what I've played in that game twice I played it against Michigan I played in it in the national championship against Texas there is nothing better than college football at the Rose Bowl man like it is the most beautiful backdrop in sports the grass the colours looks beautiful on the stealth bomber like it's just it's one of those things where if you've never been to a Rose Bowl Bowl game,

Speaker 1 whether you're a fan of a team that's playing, like you should go.

Speaker 1 It's a bucket list. Go sit in a Rose Bowl and go enjoy a college football game now that it's a playoff game.

Speaker 1 So honestly, all of it was great, man. Like, I love the call.
I think we're going to, I think, you know, whoever makes a champion, like, it's going to be great. Like, college football is awesome.

Speaker 1 There are going to be some tweaks. People need to sit back and freaking enjoy this and stop crying about teams and this and that.
You know what I wanted to ask you?

Speaker 1 And this correlates with football, but I do think think it's a little different. So, and we're taping this on a Thursday, so we'll have known the results by the time this airs.

Speaker 1 But going into, you know, a little bit later, we don't know, obviously, who's going to win Notre Dame, Georgia. But if Notre Dame wins, then that means all four teams with buys have lost.

Speaker 1 Now, do you think there's anything to that? I mean, obviously, a lot of the teams that got buys technically weren't on paper the better team.

Speaker 1 That's the whole thing that people are bitching about, to your point.

Speaker 1 But being in college versus being in the the pros, when you're rolling and you're getting into your like end of season run, it used to be a bowl game and you get that bye week.

Speaker 1 Unless you have your best player nursing an injury, can that always be a net positive or can it be a negative? How many times have we seen in March Madness where you see?

Speaker 1 Talk about betting, where you see a team make a run in their conference tournament, right? You see a team that's like

Speaker 1 a hot team makes a run.

Speaker 1 Maybe they win the conference championship and they get like, you know, like, I don't have an example, but I just know every year we see like a Miami or some, a team that's like, oh, they're pretty good.

Speaker 1 And they're, they're getting, they're peaking at the right time. And then they make a nasty run in the, in the March madness, right? They're not sitting out.

Speaker 1 Again, there's more games to be played, but, but there's something about momentum and there's something about peaking at the right time and continuing that.

Speaker 1 And when you look at the college football playoff, look, I,

Speaker 1 I feel like I had this, I had this argument with Mark Ingram a couple like last month. I was like, I was like, I would rather have a buy for the sake of injury, getting healthy,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 just extra work, like whatever, like

Speaker 1 extra game plan.

Speaker 1 But there is something about a team like Ohio State, right? Getting that first round home game,

Speaker 1 beating a team like Tennessee, gaining the confidence, kind of clicking, putting everything together.

Speaker 1 Then all of a sudden we saw them and they just absolutely dismantled a really good Oregon football team.

Speaker 1 There is an argument to make that it's like you almost don't don't want to sit for a couple of weeks and you want to play, especially Ohio State coming off a loss to Michigan.

Speaker 1 That was like, you know, that was, that's what we're all like, oh, they stink. They just lost to Michigan.
Like,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I still would lean towards a buy just because I think like you want, especially if you're, you know, it's a long season college football, but yeah, we're seeing a lot of those teams, you know, but it's also too like, like this goes back to the reseeding and like some of the tweaks.

Speaker 1 Like Boise State, love them. Good football team.
Not the third best team in the country based on the ranking, right? They're just not, right?

Speaker 1 You know, Arizona State, by the way, great game and they prove they belong there. Really, are they the fourth best team based on the ranking? Probably not, right? Like, like

Speaker 1 Oregon, to me, deserve to be number one. They just ran into a buzz saw.
So, I'm gonna- Can I ask something real quick, though?

Speaker 1 If you're a team that gets that by, just curious, fan, dumb question. So, say you're Oregon, and

Speaker 1 are you having any preparation even before Ohio State plays Tennessee, right? Like, can you even start preparing at that point, not knowing who you're going to play?

Speaker 1 Do coaches sometimes say, it's probably going to be Ohio State? In that case, everyone thought it was a little bit more of a toss-up than it was. So, you know, are you just healing and resting?

Speaker 1 And then once that game is decided, you're full go? Or is this stuff happening before?

Speaker 1 For Oregon's case, right, the Big Ten championship game was like December 5th, 4th.

Speaker 1 They didn't play until New Year's. A month, almost a month.

Speaker 1 Hard not to think Ohio State's gonna not dude.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you what, man.

Speaker 1 We said it all year.

Speaker 1 Anything can happen, but we said it all year. Like when that team

Speaker 1 plays just well, when they play well enough,

Speaker 1 they're, in my opinion, by far the most talented team in the country on paper, both sides of the ball. They're elite on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1 Also, $20 million worth of team, you know, players. But

Speaker 1 they just, they had a clunker against Michigan. They lost to Oregon early, who I think on the road, right, was a good football team.
When they're on, they're unbeatable.

Speaker 1 And I think they're unbeatable at the moment. And that Texas, Ohio State is going to be a fun game.
I just, I think when you look at Ohio State, we think of their offense and all these guys.

Speaker 1 And if Will Howard plays well, but their defense is elite, too. Like they're maybe the best defense in the country.
And that's what people forget.

Speaker 1 I'll be watching. I want my in-laws to be happy.
so i'm pulling hard real quick real quick

Speaker 1 cam scataboo how about jeremiah smith dude this dude

Speaker 1 i'm telling you what man nfl scouts and gms they they want him now like that's how good this kid i don't i can't remember a freshman maybe adrian peterson adrian peterson

Speaker 1 as a freshman was like one of the few people we thought could be in the nfl literally right out of high school that's how physically dominant he was jeremiah smith is like that like teams could tank for him in two years and get a Julio Jones/slash AJ Brown slash Jamar Chase type player.

Speaker 1 Like, that's how great this kid is. Sounds like he'll be on the Giants because the Giants will probably still be bad at that point.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 Then you got Malik Neighbors and Jeremiah Smith with Shador. What?

Speaker 1 All right. It's time now.
One of our favorite segments: the Can't Get Enough Sauce Moment of the Week, brought to you by Wendy's.

Speaker 1 Every week we highlight a player or a team we just cannot get enough of.

Speaker 1 So, Matt, you're probably going to be unhappy with mine, but it's time. I have to do it.
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Speaker 1 I have two, but I'm going to go with the one I think is going to annoy you the most.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if you know who this guy is.

Speaker 1 He is a player by the name of Tyler Kolick. Does that name ring a bell to you?

Speaker 1 Word he played college.

Speaker 1 That's not important. What's important? What's important? I would know him from college.
He basically, last night, the Knicks were up against, who were they playing last night? The Utah Jazz at home.

Speaker 1 So he played in the morning, he played for the Westchester Knicks, a G League game. You know, he's a young guy.
He still plays at a G League, but travels with the team.

Speaker 1 Plays, drops 31 in the G League game. And then shortly before tip off, Brunson for the Knicks is out.
Miles McBride warmed up and couldn't go. He's out.
Knicks are a little thin.

Speaker 1 This dude then suits up, plays 12, 13 minutes at the garden, all in one day.

Speaker 1 How on earth is that not considered a saucy moment right there? Tyler, by the way, he's a Marquette guy. I was Tyler Craig.
I looked it up. By the way, I watched him last year.

Speaker 1 The kid is an absolute baller. He's a point.
Another lefty like you.

Speaker 1 Is he a lefty? He's a lefty. The Knicks have a bunch of lefies, but I don't know.
I saw that. I thought that was

Speaker 1 pretty damn saucy. He's going to make the league.
I'm telling you, he's going to make the league. I remember watching him.
He was damn good, dude.

Speaker 1 He's put up some good games already for small sample size.

Speaker 1 How many points did he get? He only had like four points. He had four points.
He had two assists, two boards. You know, he, but all until he played 12 minutes.

Speaker 1 He wasn't even supposed to play a minute. And he played 31 minutes and dropped 31 points at 11 o'clock in the morning.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I saw him make a run last year in the tournament.

Speaker 1 All right, so that's a good one. My

Speaker 1 let me just think, how many games could you play right now, pick up in the same day?

Speaker 1 I could probably get two in there, two, and then I'm out. I'm done.

Speaker 1 So my saucy moment of the week is I'm going to stay with college football.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if you saw the little, yeah, like the little tedious little fight between Brett Bielema, Illinois football coach and Shane Beamer at South Carolina.

Speaker 1 First of all, like, let me set some, let me give some context to like Big Ten SEC matchup, right? Two of the best conference in college football.

Speaker 1 A lot of shit talking between teams, a lot of, a lot of, like, I think Altmeyer, after Illinois ended up winning, talking smack about the SEC because like everyone thinks the SEC SEC is king and all of this and whatever.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people thought South Carolina maybe should have been in the playoff, yet they just lost to Illinois. So like they're just, you know, there's just a little bit of that going into the game.

Speaker 1 By the way, if anyone said bull season is done, they didn't watch that game because the emotions of that game was awesome.

Speaker 1 So I don't know exactly what happened, but there was a substitution late or something. And then one of the Illinois guys went down and Brett Bielama comes across the sideline to check on his player.

Speaker 1 Then he like signals some stuff of like, basically of like like illegal substitution or whatever. And he kind of is taunting the whole South Carolina sideline.
They're on the they're in the huddle.

Speaker 1 And, and I like Shane Beamer. I think he's a heck of a coach.
I like his energy. He, he, like,

Speaker 1 it was so funny to me because he like starts bullrushing Brett Belema and like security had to like keep him back and he's shit talking and all this stuff. And like, again, what's he going to do?

Speaker 1 He's not going to do anything. But it just, it was funny.
And Brett Belema just kind of walks off kind of smirking.

Speaker 1 And then he gets back on the sideline and the tv cuts to him and he's just like like the players around him are like waving the towel getting hyped you know like it was one of those things and he just has a smirk on his face and it made me think of i don't know if you've ever met or seen brett beleman i have i have an autograph football with russell wilson and brett bilema on it from wisconsin when i did when i went there yeah brett bilema is a big dude big dude dude this i'm not rushing and by the way great dude like awesome like hell of a coach like just yeah you're not rushing him because he's like 6'3, 6'4, 350 and doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And so it just made me think. I'm thinking, like, Shane Biemer is like the little dude.
Like, like, he would have got his ass kicked.

Speaker 1 And then I'm thinking, like, this is where my mind goes when I'm watching this. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 what football coach do you want in the foxhole with you if shit's going down? And one was Brett Bielema and two was Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell.

Speaker 1 Two coaches you don't want to see, you know, in a hallway and talking smack because they just don't care. Football guys who will beat the shit out of you.

Speaker 1 Who else? Trying to think.

Speaker 1 I mean, Dan Campbell, you don't want to step. Dan Campbell, for sure.
I liked Mike Singletary's brief stint as a coach.

Speaker 1 He wasn't a coach for very long, but he had an intensity to him that I feel like he can go to another level if he had to.

Speaker 1 I have to give some thought on that. That's Dan Campbell's definitely number one or two.
I thought the moment was great. I think in two, like, both, like, I love college football.
I love the passion.

Speaker 1 I love when coaches kind of get heating. I love the shit talking.
I love the Big Ten SEC. I just, it was, it was just fun to watch, man.
And people were intense about it.

Speaker 1 And that game, the both teams played their ass off. And Illinois came out with the win and they backed it up.
And then, and then they had a little banter back and forth on X.

Speaker 1 Like kind of, you know, Beamer kind of came out and said whatever he said. And then Bilama just basically said happy new year.
Like it was fucking funny, dude. Oh, I'd love that.

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Before we get to my nephew, Anthony Farrar, we're going to run through the NFL really quick. So,

Speaker 1 and it kind of was part of like the fantasy conversation a little bit. This week 18 really only has one game that I think anyone's really going to watch or care about if it's not your favorite team.

Speaker 1 That's Vikings, Lions.

Speaker 1 I got to imagine. What a game, though.
That's crazy. It's going to be a crazy game.

Speaker 1 Who do you like in that game? I know it's hard to, I kind of like the Vikings only because. Where's that game at? Detroit? Or it's at Minnesota.
No, it's in Detroit. It's in Detroit.

Speaker 1 Both in the don't. I just, I just think Minnesota is playing so

Speaker 1 well. It's just like a well-oiled machine.
So is Detroit, dude. I know, but I think the Lions are just short enough guys that the Vikings win it on the road.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to be a hell of a game. I like the Lions.

Speaker 1 I like the Lions.

Speaker 1 I don't think anything else is going to be.

Speaker 1 Isn't there a scenario this weekend where

Speaker 1 what needs to be? Well, everyone wants the Bengals to make the playoffs, right? But they need the Broncos to lose, which the Broncos are playing the Chiefs. With the backups.
Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 So the Bengals need the Bengals need the Chiefs with their backups to beat the Broncos. But I think they need another loss, too, and the Dolphins to lose, but the Dolphins are playing...

Speaker 1 Who are are the dolphins playing the jets or the bills like dolphins are playing at the jets at the jets which that's gonna be a pretty hard one to lose unless they all rise to aaron rodgers a dub on the way jets are good enough to win tua is questionable in that game too so i i guess it could happen if there was ever a time for an nfl conspiracy fix you would think that they would want

Speaker 1 i think the broncos the broncos win they're in is that the case broncos win it's done broncos win run

Speaker 1 the chiefs i don't think the chiefs care they've already locked it up They've locked it up. So I mean, there's nothing really consequential.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, nobody wants, I don't think anybody wants to see Joey be in the Bengals in the playoffs. But that defense is so

Speaker 1 horrible. I know.
But I'm telling you, man, you sneak in the playoffs. Basically, every team is zero and zero.
It does not matter.

Speaker 1 It makes you so mad because there was someone in winnable games who is shit. And we ended up going to the Super Bowl and should have won.

Speaker 1 Like, you just, you get, you get an offense and a QB like that in those moments. I'm telling you.
Well, quick trivia question for you to think about.

Speaker 1 We'll answer it before we bring my nephew on. Since playoff seeding began in 1975, five teams have never been the number one seed.
The Lions are one of them. Can you name the other four?

Speaker 1 In the NFC or just in the NFL? Just the entire NFL. I'm sorry.
The entire NFL since 75, five teams have never been a one seed. Lions are one of them.
Yeah, Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Cardinals. I have the Cardinals.
This is not confirmed. Andrew's going to throw it.
Our producer, Andrew Gumlin, is going to throw it in our chat. I would guess the Cardinals.
The Jags.

Speaker 1 I almost went Panthers, but they went 15-1 with Cam. Jags.
I got the Jags.

Speaker 1 I got the Jets.

Speaker 1 I can't remember a time where the Jets were a one-year-old. What about the Texans?

Speaker 1 Oilers, Texans. That's a good pick.
I put the Vikings in. These are my three.
I put the Vikings in there. No, dude.
The year

Speaker 1 they went 15-1

Speaker 1 with Randy Moss and Culpepper, I thought.

Speaker 1 I I thought they were a two-seed that year, and the Giants knocked them out.

Speaker 1 Could we have it? Because now I want to know. Cardinals, Jags.

Speaker 1 Cardinals, correct. Texans, Jags correct.
Texans, correct.

Speaker 1 Jets, correct. Never a one-seed.
And the Buccaneers. I thought maybe the Jags were a one-seed in 1999, 14-2.

Speaker 1 That's Mark Brunel. And Mark Brunel.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And is it Keenan

Speaker 1 McCardell? Keenan McCardell or Fred Taylor. It's pretty sweet.
Fred Taylor was a dog. I think that's the team.
Can you name the Jags quarterback after that?

Speaker 1 After Mark Brunel?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 David Garrard? Yeah, nice.

Speaker 1 He played for a long time in that right after Brunel. Cardinals, Texans, Jets, and Bucs.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 I feel like the Jets are a part of our trivia questions all the time.

Speaker 1 They're on the wrong side of it.

Speaker 1 They're on the wrong side of the shit every time. You kind of realize they're kind of a shitty organization.
How did you feel about the Saquon thing? He's 101-yard shy, break a Dickerson's record.

Speaker 1 Now, I also said, I think Sittingham's good. It's a 17-game thing now.
He did it in 16. And then before that, it was OJ.

Speaker 1 ED, the same with E.D. broke OJs and had more games, right? I mean, it's kind of the way it goes.

Speaker 1 It's funny. He wanted to play.
He said he wanted to play. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think for me personally, like I would have loved to see him try maybe for a half or a quarter. You get, again, you get a gauge for like kind of how you're playing.

Speaker 1 It's like all he needs 100 yards, which for him this year has not been tough to get.

Speaker 1 So like, I think just the fan and me and the sport and I love Saquon just would have been really cool to see because, you know, some records are just. live a long, long time.

Speaker 1 And actually, it's funny, man, because I was reading an article. Like, there's actually a lot of, a little bit of backlash.

Speaker 1 Like, people are kind of saying, like, it's, it's anti-fan, it's anti-competitive, like we pay to watch, like, kind of like, kind of like resting players in the NBA.

Speaker 1 It's a little bit different because NFL is so, so many fewer games. I'd be curious to hear your thought on that from that perspective.

Speaker 1 But at the end of the day, I had no problem with it because in football, a bigger picture is winning a Super Bowl. And that's your press.
And that is your, that is your prized, that's your horse.

Speaker 1 In any other sport, I would say go for it you know but it it is football it is violent uh i and i look i'm sure it would have been cool is it really cool for the fans though i feel like it's cool for saquon and his family going forward but as a fan selfishly i would rather him sit because i would never want him with a high ankle sprain and they're not getting the one seed so they're not it's not like they oh we have a bye week two in case he tweaks something you're playing that next week And I think most Eagles fans, I know Andrew's a big Eagles fan.

Speaker 1 I feel like they want Super Bowls and not rushing records. So I think for Saquon, it would have been cool.
I don't think you're doing the fans a disservice at all. They have it wrapped up.

Speaker 1 If it was an important game, believe me, he'd be playing. If they needed that game to maybe be a one seed or maybe clinch a division, he's playing.
So I don't feel like you're shorting the game.

Speaker 1 It's a meaningless game. It means nothing.

Speaker 1 We might never see that record be broke. That's a tough record, man.

Speaker 1 Because you got to, dude you gotta i mean look he might be the last like cow you gotta you have to play all 17 games as a running back averaging a buck fifty a game like that's hard to do man like that that's kind of why too like i kind of want to see him try because it's like dude that's freaking just like that's awesome man like we get to witness greatness but at the end of the day by the way yeah eagles fans don't give a shit and you mentioned earlier

Speaker 1 malik neighbors ruining your fantasy season. He also ruined the Giants' draft situation.
Drew Locke ruined the

Speaker 1 Drew Locke, but I mean, he was throwing the neighbors over and over and over again. You know, I've had time to process it

Speaker 1 as a Giants fan. I've talked to myself.

Speaker 1 I hated it. I was texting Max Greenfield at halftime because not only was it destroying my parlay, but I was also texting him

Speaker 1 why.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 you played the game, so you could answer this much better than I can. To me, I, as a fan, I can't understand why

Speaker 1 they would want to win that game, but I could see from a player's point of view, if you're playing for a job and you're laying down tape and all that. So, is that how it works?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, there's not,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think when you're in that locker room, like you're like, again, like, it's a job. And again, football is so much different, man, than all these other sports, dude.

Speaker 1 Like, you play, you have 17 regular season games. Like, that's all you get.
You get one game a week to put tape out there. Like, this is your job.
Like, football is cutthroat, man.

Speaker 1 And so, for these kids in there, and a guy like, and a guy like Drew Locke, like, Drew Locke's fighting to stand rosters. Like, he's obviously got a lot of talent.

Speaker 1 They can be a backup for a long time. But, like, when you get an opportunity, you're going to make the most of it.
And

Speaker 1 kind of like I think we'll see the Chiefs this weekend with backups. Like, like, Andy Reid's not going to call a game to lose.
Like, those guys, if they go out and win, it's because they played well.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 that's an up.

Speaker 1 Like, Carson Wentz has an opportunity this weekend to ball and maybe maybe he gets a job a starting a chance at a starting job next year so like for and for the giants team like and dayball and all these guys when your job's on the line like you want to you want to go and win games like i know it's just i get it dude i get it are you gonna and also like at the end of the day like like there's not a like you look at this draft and i love shador and i think shador's the best quarterback but like last year you had like caleb was one right you had even jaden Dan.

Speaker 1 Like you had real elite, elite like, dude,

Speaker 1 this is what

Speaker 1 we need. We want him.
And not to say that's not Shador and Cam Warden, these guys, and like Travis Hunter is going to be up there. But like

Speaker 1 you win that game or you lose that game, you're still in the top five. You have a chance maybe to draft up if you want.
You know, like Patriots aren't taking the QB.

Speaker 1 So like there's still an opportunity there, man. But like as fans, I get it, but those players don't give a shit, dude.
Like they're playing for a paycheck.

Speaker 1 They're playing to be on the roster next year year or another team's roster.

Speaker 1 Well, we could also see what the

Speaker 1 younger generation of America thinks about such things. Joining us now on the show, he's 16 years old, live from New York City.
Anthony Ferrari. Ant, how's it going, buddy? All right.

Speaker 1 How's it going, dude?

Speaker 2 What's up, Matt?

Speaker 1 Good, man. Good.

Speaker 1 Is that your gamer chair, by the way?

Speaker 2 Yes, it is. After a long time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We've been having some battles in Madden, Matt.

Speaker 1 I beat him in the chair.

Speaker 1 Are you kicking your uncle's ass or what? Well,

Speaker 2 basically, yeah. I mean, if he doesn't run the ball, every play, Kalen.

Speaker 1 We'll get on the sticks, dude. I'll show you what's up.
I'm sure Jerry's not very good.

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk to you because

Speaker 1 you and I have been.

Speaker 1 And I'm giving you, I'm hazing you a little bit, but, you know, I wouldn't say you're new to football, but you've been big into football since you pretty much started high school.

Speaker 1 So you're going on a few years. About two years.
You

Speaker 1 stand hard for Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 My first question for you is,

Speaker 1 when did you discover Josh Allen was this elite quarterback? Like, you have the Giants in New York. Is it because the Giants and Jets are so bad?

Speaker 2 It was, I became a Bills fan just because it may sound weird, but it was the first football game I've ever watched. Like, I turned on the TV.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And the Bills are on.

Speaker 1 That's it. That's all it takes.

Speaker 2 I didn't know enough about football to even be a bandwagon. I knew nobody, like, absolutely no one.

Speaker 1 So I turned it off. Do people think you're a bandwagon because you like the Bills living in New York City?

Speaker 2 Some people do say that. Some people like to say that.

Speaker 1 So make the case for us, you know, and he's pretty clear favorite. I think he's minus 300 on most of the betting sites.
I think Lamar is like plus 150.

Speaker 1 That's really, and it's coming down to this week. Why is Josh Allen the MVP of the NFL? Over Lamar specifically? Because their stats are pretty, pretty close.

Speaker 2 They're pretty close, but I don't think you can do it based off stats. Just because if it was based off stats, Lamar, Allen should have won it last year, you know.

Speaker 2 But if you watch the games, really, Lamar was MVP last year. You could have debated.
He was the best player on the best team. But I think this year, Allen's MVP, number one, they're 13 and three.

Speaker 2 They had the division locked up for five weeks. The stats are there.

Speaker 1 The division's horrible. Okay, but

Speaker 2 they still locked it up pretty easily.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 The stats are there for Alan. The record is there.
If you watch the games, he's playing amazing. He beat the two best teams in the league, the Chiefs and the Lions.

Speaker 2 He beat them, and he had incredible games against both of them.

Speaker 2 I just don't see, if you're watching the games and you're not just looking at it based on stats, I don't see how you could say it's Lamar.

Speaker 1 He also got his ass whooped by Lamar, though, early in the season.

Speaker 1 Good point from an NFL quarter. I'm just saying, by the way,

Speaker 1 he blames the defense.

Speaker 1 I mean, they only scored 10 points, so it's probably a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 It was a little bit of both, yes.

Speaker 1 Okay, so this is where I think you and I compare, or you and I agree. I think Josh Allen's supporting cast,

Speaker 1 I'm never going to say bad because all these guys are NFL players, but when you compare it, even to Lamar, Lamar's got Derrick Henry, dude. Derrick Henry,

Speaker 1 arguably, by the way, could be the MVP this year.

Speaker 1 He's got Zay Flowers, who just made his first Pro Bowl. He's got Mark Andrews, who didn't have a down year, but obviously a Pro Bowl tight end.
Josh Allen has Khalil Shakir,

Speaker 1 who is leading it.

Speaker 1 Exactly. And I know, and by the way, Uncle Jerry goes, well, he's got Keon Coleman.
Keon Coleman's the same. Keon Coleman has 40 catches this year, dude.
And

Speaker 1 missed a bunch of games. Keon Coleman's going to be good.
James Cook, by the way, had some. James Cook didn't even rush for 900 yards.
But he's got 17 touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Okay, but he didn't rush for 900 yards. He didn't.
Josh Allen has 600 yards rushing.

Speaker 1 About

Speaker 1 the elephant in the room here.

Speaker 1 What continually comes up, and I especially between me and my nephew, is the Allen Mahomes debate, okay?

Speaker 1 Josh Allen does deserve to win MVP this year. He's going to win.
He should win.

Speaker 1 And I know Mahomes' stats have not been good, but now we're just talking about the position and who plays it well and who wins. Now, you could say the Chiefs have a better day.

Speaker 1 Look at the supporting cast of the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And look at the supporting cast of the bills this year not overall because right understand how on earth you can say that the that the bills supporting the allen's supporting cast is better than mahomes

Speaker 1 i can make jays say that well anthony who who do you think has a better supporting cast the bills or the chiefs

Speaker 2 I would say it's relatively even, but the Chiefs are definitely not worse. They're definitely better.
The defense is definitely a lot better than Buffalo's.

Speaker 2 I mean, when they played, they didn't let Derrick Henry have 200 yards like the Bills did.

Speaker 2 Got to be the Chiefs. I mean, there's no de-hopping.

Speaker 1 Jerry, they have, yeah, Mario Cooper. They have the best tight end to ever play the game who's still playing at a high level.

Speaker 1 They have, and by the way, where I threw, where I threw Uncle Jerry off the other day was I told him, I said, you got to forget, man, Andy Reid and that offense, he's outside of maybe Kyle Shanahan and maybe McVay.

Speaker 1 He's one of the best play callers of all time. Yeah, I'm going to bring that up.

Speaker 2 Mahomes isn't a better system.

Speaker 1 I'm just as I'll bring it up, dude. Are you kidding me? So are we saying Mahomes is a system quarterback? What are we saying?

Speaker 1 No, because he, no,

Speaker 1 I'm saying, I'm saying Mahomes, Mahomes is great. And by the way, I would say no one wants to see Mahomes in the playoffs.
I don't care who he has. So that doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 And by the way, the MVP really doesn't matter because Mahomes doesn't give two shits. But to see what he says.
Who's a bad?

Speaker 1 But who do you, I mean, you're taking Mahomes over Allen every time, are you not? In the playoffs, I am, because I

Speaker 1 mean this is what we mean this year. I'm taking Mahomes in the playoffs every time until proven otherwise.
And by the only person to beat him, just like the only person to beat Brady was Eli Manning.

Speaker 1 The only person to beat Mahomes is Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow is probably not going to be in the playoff.
Now,

Speaker 1 I think maybe

Speaker 1 this is the year for the Bills. But everyone says the Chiefs suck.
They're 15-1, dude. Like, I don't care.
Like, they are still really good.

Speaker 1 They're very beatable. Let's talk about the supporting cast.
You get me on Andy Reid, but like the coaching thing, I'm just going off of the weapons he has on the field.

Speaker 1 Andy Reid is the best coach in the NFL for sure.

Speaker 1 You're saying Mahomes, you're saying he lost his weapons are better than Mahomes this year. I think when fully healthy, I think the Chiefs have the edge.

Speaker 1 I think losing their best wide receiver, who was having an amazing year, and Rasha Rice, was huge. He had three games and a quarter or two with Rice.
Pacheco's played seven games this year.

Speaker 1 Kareem Hunt bald. Kareem Hunt bald.
Kareem's been fine. Kareem Hunt's been,

Speaker 1 he didn't have 17 touchdowns like James Cook, who I think go, I know he doesn't have a thousand rushing yards. He has a lot of receiving yards.
Who are you?

Speaker 1 So Xavier Worthy, great home run player, like could take it to the house at any moment, but he's not someone that's going to go get you a 10 for 130.

Speaker 1 And Kelsey, who I love, it's so clear the Chiefs are keeping the cover on the car until the playoffs start. Like, I don't even think the Chiefs have begun to flex Kelsey, and they're 15 and one.

Speaker 1 I don't even think they use that. You can't even name

Speaker 1 anymore outside of Shakir and Keon Coleman. Who can you name? Well,

Speaker 1 Anthony, tell them, give me your statement. Here's how I know of one.
I know about all I know all about the Bills. Ant, I've quoted you to Matt.
Give me the quote that I love more than anything.

Speaker 1 While we were watching a Bills game together, it might have been that Bills

Speaker 1 Bills Rams game, which was awesome. Give me the famous quote.

Speaker 2 Matt Collins is the best wide receiver five in the league.

Speaker 1 what does that even mean by the way he's not even wide receiver five he's got to be three or he plays three or four i just don't i don't see the to me mahomes right now yes he does not have the numbers to be in the conversation with josh allen or lamar are we wait guys hold on i'm gonna cole answer me this question who's got a better supporting cast

Speaker 1 Josh Allen with Buffalo or Mahomes with the Kansas City Chiefs this year?

Speaker 1 Who's a better supporting cast?

Speaker 1 He said Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Not even close.

Speaker 1 I don't hear him saying anything. He's right here.
He's about to go with him.

Speaker 1 We got Jerry's nephew on.

Speaker 1 We're talking. This year, with the current health situation.

Speaker 1 No. Look, he's coming in.
Go.

Speaker 1 Cole liner, John. What's up, buddy? Mahomes by a mile.

Speaker 1 We're recording right here.

Speaker 1 With no rice and seven games of Pacheco this entire season, you'd say Mahomes and it's not even close?

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey, Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Browns played two games.
Okay, two games back. They're going to have more playoffs.
Xavier Worthy catches like he has like, he has like 30 catches.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm waiting for these amazing names.

Speaker 3 Who does Josh Allen have?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Kalusha.
Shakir.

Speaker 1 What is he in yak, Anthony? What is Shakir in yards after cash?

Speaker 2 He's top three. I know that.

Speaker 1 Top three yards after cash. James Cook, 17 touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Dalton Kincaid, Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman, who I think is legit as a, as a very but he hasn't proved I mean, he can be legit, but he hasn't done anything that he's has Xavier Worthy proved.

Speaker 1 I can't hear you, but you should ask him who should be MVP because he's going to have a different who's the MVP, Cole. Who's the MVP?

Speaker 1 Who? Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen.
Come closer. Lamar Jackson's best player of all time.

Speaker 1 All right, so is that just a blanket award, or do you think this year he was more valuable than Josh Allen? Okay, I'm biased.

Speaker 1 I think Lamar is MVP every year just because what he does, running and throwing, but more valuable to his team. I mean, it's Josh Allen this year for sure.

Speaker 1 But you say quarterback rankings, Lamar's the best quarterback in the NFL. 100%.
Yep, for sure.

Speaker 1 Anthony, who's your give us your top, see, occult, give us your top five.

Speaker 1 Matt, we're going to do top five. Give me your top five right now, today, your top five NFL.
Base of the season? Yes, as of right now, the best five. Well, we'll let Anthony go first and then we'll

Speaker 1 your top five quarterbacks. So, this is in no order, but no, no, no, I want the order to be able to get the order.
Order, okay. Yeah, Allen's number one.

Speaker 1 I knew this is Allen's number one, Lamar's number two. Okay.

Speaker 2 I want to put Mahomes at three, even though I disagree.

Speaker 1 You don't want to. That's not what you told me last night, buddy.
Tell me what you said. Burrow's number three, Herbert's number four, and Mahomes number five.

Speaker 1 Herbert,

Speaker 1 I love Herbert. I have no problem with that.
I have no problem with that list outside of

Speaker 1 Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 You could switch Herbert and Mahomes, but that's.

Speaker 1 So you have Mahomes at four? All right, let me ask you. Let me ask you this question.
You got Josh Allen,

Speaker 1 you got Lamar, you got Burrow, and you got Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Two minutes left.

Speaker 1 With these teams, with these teams,

Speaker 1 down by six, need a touchdown to win. Who's your quarterback? With these teams?

Speaker 1 Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 come on

Speaker 1 listen i love

Speaker 1 the most turnovers out of all of them this year how can you how can you

Speaker 1 i'm talking playoffs dude i'm talking i'm talking super bowls on the line player he's got three rings aunt ball rings

Speaker 1 ball ball you got to score touch on the win

Speaker 1 you can go allen

Speaker 1 you can go allen

Speaker 1 it's not a trick well it's definitely between allen and mahomes bury and lamar out of there well i will say this year what here's what I wanted to do this exercise to.

Speaker 1 I feel like because Mahomes's numbers are, for him, the most pedestrian they've ever been, and they're still good, by the way. I mean, they're not great, but

Speaker 1 look, compared relative to where the rest of the NFL is, I think it's 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. Right.
That's not for him, that's not good. But I would be thrilled if Daniel Jones had that.

Speaker 1 I'd be absolutely, I'm sure the Jets would even love to have a guy like that with those numbers. But he has become Mariano Rivera to me.
He's a closer now. It's keep it close with the defense.

Speaker 1 Don't do anything crazy. And then when the game is on the line, the thing, his superpower now is close game.

Speaker 1 He now has that aura that MJ had, LeBron to a degree at times, where you just know the guy's going to close out the game. You just know he's going to fit.
I was at the Super Bowl last year.

Speaker 1 The Niners were leading at half and we're in control of that game. But you just, no one there was even even the Niner fans were not jumping up and down like, we got this.

Speaker 1 They were on edge and nervous because you know you have, to me, the best closer in the NFL by far on the other side. So I think he's graduated on to being that.

Speaker 1 I think if Mahomes wanted to go out and win the MVP award and Andy Reid was like, let's do this shit, I think he could probably do it still. I think he'd probably throw 45 touchdowns if he wanted to.

Speaker 1 All right, last thing before we let you get back to, and maybe we'll play some Madden later.

Speaker 1 We know it's the Bills. Who are the bills playing in the super bowl what's your super bowl matchup

Speaker 2 how can you say anyone else but detroit

Speaker 1 injuries and all okay

Speaker 2 i don't see i mean i think detroit would beat philadelphia i do think minnesota is gonna win though and get the one seed i do too see we're aligned on that i've i've i i i picked them earlier so detroit comes out of the nfc huh i think so i mean

Speaker 2 How can you not want that Bills Lions Superbook? We saw what happened the first time they played.

Speaker 1 Bills Lions would be dope. That would be great.
That would be great too.

Speaker 1 yeah i think and we might even get do you buy anything into like hutchinson really saying if we get to the super bowl i'm playing hell yeah oh no physically kenny i mean he broke his leg it was a violent

Speaker 1 leg break and even if he plays does that mean he's going to be himself i mean first game off of injury dude there's something there's something called you take a couple shots before

Speaker 1 you get you get that adrenaline going you don't feel shit for three hours no i'll tell you what if he's i i don't know i don't know what his prognosis is now at this point but like if he's healthy enough, why not?

Speaker 1 And Dan Campbell will be crazy enough to be like, all right, you're in, get suit up, get in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he would definitely, something definitely he would do.

Speaker 1 All right, Ant. Well, listen, good luck to Josh Allen and the Bills.

Speaker 1 We'll talk later. We'll run some Madden later, but good, good first podcast appearance.

Speaker 1 We're going to get you back on with Cole, maybe some of Cole's friends, and we're really just going to let the younger generation take over this thing. All right, let's do it.
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Speaker 1 who or what is our money moment this week? There's a lot to pick from.

Speaker 1 There's a lot to pick from.

Speaker 1 I almost said we talked about Cam Scataboo earlier. I almost wanted to go Cam Scataboo just because he's becoming my favorite player.

Speaker 1 I got to give it to my former USC quarterback, Sam Darnold, and the money moment of him coming in the locker room, the whole team cheering for him, putting him up on the shoulders a little bit, like

Speaker 1 a Rudy type feel to it, right? And

Speaker 1 this,

Speaker 1 God, I feel like we talked about Sam so many times on this, but it's just, it's such a freaking awesome comeback story this year. And to give a little context, right? Like this kid.

Speaker 1 drafted 2018 top five overall to New York Jets, right? Tough place to go play and be successful. And we know what happened there.
And he had the infamous, like, I'm seeing ghosts on the sideline.

Speaker 1 And he became, he became an NFL bust after three years, right? That's what happens, especially when you play in New York. He goes to the Panthers, not much success there.

Speaker 1 Then he goes to San Francisco as a backup, right? And a restart. and kind of a re-energize.
I know what that's like.

Speaker 1 I did something similar when I went to Houston and Gary Kubiak, just to kind of take a step back. You're not starting.
There's no pressure.

Speaker 1 Learn the system, re-learn the position, get your confidence back, and then maybe get a shot if you get another shot and that's the crazy thing is so then kevin mcconnell takes a chance on on him in minnesota they draft jj mccarthy top 10 overall to be the guy and if jj mccarthy doesn't get hurt in the preseason he probably might be the starter because he was playing pretty well you think about that and so you don't get very many opportunities in the nfl especially at quarterback and for him

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 you just put this year in context for him to be 14 and two

Speaker 1 and to just be balling like every week. And for every week, there's always people out there like not giving him his flowers because of what they think he was in the past.

Speaker 1 And I hate that because I think Sam has always been a very good quarterback. He's just finally in the right system with a coach and a team, an organization that believes in his talent.

Speaker 1 And let me tell you something, Jerry. JJ McCarthy is probably going to get traded.
And let me tell you something. Sam Darnold is probably going to get a massive bag this offseason.

Speaker 1 So he's my money player, my money moment, my money comeback. That's going to lead us into our throwback three.
But I got Sammy D. You know what? The red, what do we call him? The red hammer.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I would be thrilled with

Speaker 1 this is how bad it is for the Giants. I would be thrilled with one of those two quarterbacks on the Giants next year.

Speaker 1 By the way, so it's an interesting situation because

Speaker 1 JJ McCarthy coming off an injury, obviously a very, very talented.

Speaker 1 Not a deep quarterback class this year. You have kind of the two guys right now, Shador Sanders and Cam Ward.
Josh Allen, or not Josh Allen, too.

Speaker 1 JJ McCarthy is one of those guys to keep on one of those teams in the top five major. He said they're going to take calls.
I mean, that's the other thing.

Speaker 1 Technically, the Vikings could sign Darnold to a big contract. JJ's on that range of people.
They could just keep. They don't have to do anything.
They don't have to do anything.

Speaker 1 But if you can get a couple, I mean, if you can get major draft capital or slide up in the draft and get some players, and you know, you have Sam, and then go get, you know, go get a free agent QB as a backup.

Speaker 1 Knowing, and again, knowing in that system with O'Connell, like you're going to get a lot out of your quarterbacks there because of how great of coaching is. It's a win-win for Minnesota.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold, shout out to Sammy D. We saw like Bryce Young come back, benched.
Baker Mayfield, like come back. Like the Cleveland Browns just threw him to the street.
And look what he's doing. So

Speaker 1 is Darnold your number three for our throwback three, comeback athlete in football? Yeah, so comeback athlete in football, throwback three. He's not.
I'm going to throw him in there.

Speaker 1 I did this quickly. There's so many,

Speaker 1 there's so many great stories. I mean, gosh, like DeMar Hamlin, obviously a couple of years ago, literally, I mean, literally like heart stopped on the field.

Speaker 1 He's not in my top three, but that kind of goes without saying. Pierce all for 49ers this year got shot and like got shot in San Fran and came back and played.

Speaker 1 This is all time, though. You can go any year you want.
Yeah, I'm going all time.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go Alex Smith as number three.

Speaker 1 Good pick. And we're buddies.
We almost came out the same year. I came back my senior year, hell of a career in Kansas City, San Francisco.
Obviously had the horrific,

Speaker 1 you know, Joe Theisman-esque injury to the leg.

Speaker 1 And I don't, gosh, I don't know how many surgeries had dozens of surgeries, infections, almost amputated his leg, right? Like, I think he was really close to losing his leg. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But then comes back and plays. I don't know how many years he played after that, but came back and actually played, I think, for the Redskins at the time, right? It was? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, just an unbelievable career, cut short probably because of that, but then came back.

Speaker 1 Incredible story. And even just an even better dude.
Alex Smith is one of the best dudes out there. So that's my number three.
So my number three, he's one of my favorite players of all time to watch.

Speaker 1 He was on teams I didn't like, though, is Randall Cunningham. You know, he burned out with the Eagles in 95.
He gets benched. He sits out all of the 1996 season.

Speaker 1 Your boy, coach Denny Green, lures him back in 97 with the Vikings. I think he signed like a one-year, $400,000 deal.
He's got Chris Carter on the team.

Speaker 1 goes on for that crazy wild card win comeback that they had and then he comes back off the bench like the next year in 98 when brad johnson goes down that was when randy moss was there it just was a wild two years.

Speaker 1 They went 15 and one that year. So, Randall Cunningham is just a player I thought was done, to be honest.
I remember being a kid watching, thought he was done, came back.

Speaker 1 So, that's my number three, Randall Cunningham. Oh, he was so fun to watch.
So fun.

Speaker 1 Guy could just heave the ball like 100 yards, too. Remember, he had that one punt when he had the longest one.
The longest punt, yeah, like 90-something yards. That's right.

Speaker 1 Number two, Peyton.

Speaker 1 I think, again, this is kind of my era

Speaker 1 with the neck injury and the fusion or the back, whatever it was, like he was sidelined the whole year

Speaker 1 and then goes, eventually goes back to Denver

Speaker 1 and just in the last couple of years of his career and wins a Super Bowl. With no arm strength left.
With no arm strength. And Peyton's.

Speaker 1 one of the greatest of all time, but like you watched him, they had the great defense that year,

Speaker 1 but no arm strength, couldn't throw the ball past 20 yards and just and just that that's what made him so great but to sit i mean messing with the neck and all that kind of stuff man is like super dangerous especially playing a sport of football and for him to come back and then win another bowl or win a super bowl um was pretty incredible man

Speaker 1 yeah i agree i remember uh because you know they lost that first super bowl to the pants to uh yep to the seahawks and it was like oh this is not gonna happen denver's done and then that i that is one of the more remarkable who do they beat in the super bowl that year they beat they beat um

Speaker 1 Cam and the Panthers, the 15-1 Panthers. They beat.

Speaker 1 And that was the one at Giant Stadium, I believe, which I still have. That's why they lost to Seattle.
Remember, like the opening drive, they snapped the ball over his head. Over his head.

Speaker 1 You knew the game was over right there. Yeah, I was like,

Speaker 1 dude, Legion of Boom is done. So

Speaker 1 my number two is I kind of broke my rule. I usually have to have someone I've watched, but this one is just a fun one when I researched and I read his story.
Ed Tutal Jones.

Speaker 1 What made this cool for me? Listen, check it out. One of the best defensive ends when he walked, he walked away in 79 at 28 because he wanted to pursue a career in boxing.
This dude, check this out.

Speaker 1 He had an 88-inch reach. So for context, Tyson Fury, who's 6'9 or whatever, has an 85-inch reach.

Speaker 1 He has a three-inch longer reach than Tyson Fury. I think he went like 5'0 in boxing, but then took, so he's out of the NFL for almost two years.

Speaker 1 Then he comes back to the Cowboys and just picked up right where he left off he made three more pro bowls and he lasted all the way to when jimmy johnson got there in 89.

Speaker 1 i thought that was just a cool one i mean also like you quit to play boxes you're not quitting because you want to protect your body you're quitting and you go into boxing i think that's a different kind of movie right there um all right number one is michael vick and

Speaker 1 maybe a little controversial but when you look back and and michael vick to me because we were because he was someone when i was in high school so i'm trying to think the years he was at Virginia Tech and he was he changed the game like of how we watched football in my opinion especially quarterback like there were guys like Steve Young and guys who could run but like Michael Vick was the first like like video game player at that position we're like holy shit right so and he had a great career in Atlanta

Speaker 1 And I remember my first, my first real action as a rookie was in Atlanta against Vic. We were losing, so I went in the second half.
I threw, I think I threw a pick or touch.

Speaker 1 I remember talking to him after the game. He's like, oh, man, you're going to have a bright future, buddy, blah, blah, blah.
And so like, I always just respect him.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the whole issue, the dogfighting

Speaker 1 and just all of that went down. And he goes to jail, I think I remember.
Didn't he go to prison for however long? So career done,

Speaker 1 in prison,

Speaker 1 out of the NFL. And then when he gets out, I remember he really like, you know, like second chances, right?

Speaker 1 And I think he had a a different perspective and I remember I remember and I was young when I was watching all this but I was playing and it was like he was just like started advocating for all these other things and he just really he really turned it around and then goes back and goes to Philly and balls in Philly right like a second like like almost like MJ like two real separate careers um

Speaker 1 and then so then does that and then it's more so now because then he goes to Fox and I gotta know him at Fox over the last handful years it's a great dude man like every time I talk to him him, he's just a great, one of those guys.

Speaker 1 Like, he's just always asking how the family is, like, just a really good dude. And then just got the job at, I think, Norfolk State, right, as a head coach in college football.

Speaker 1 And again, we're seeing more of these ex-players become

Speaker 1 head coaches. I think, I think his story is, is incredible of kind of turning it around and, you know, a perfect example of getting a second opportunity to kind of like make things right.

Speaker 1 And he was able to do that.

Speaker 1 And now he gets a a chance to mentor uh young men in college um and and and again i just think he's an incredible dude man so one of the best comeback stories i think we've ever seen in in all of sports yeah you're you're almost not supposed to come back from something like that right you know that is supposed to derail you and

Speaker 1 you know you could maybe rehabilitate your life, but you're not supposed to have a professional sports career after that. And he didn't.
It was Andy Reid who took the shot and had success there too.

Speaker 1 Like, he a lot. I mean, yeah,

Speaker 1 talk about a fantasy draft pick, too. God, Michael Vick was all-time fantasy.

Speaker 1 I didn't play fantasy football then. You know, I never started.
I never started playing fantasy until like

Speaker 1 seven years ago. See, that's my problem.
I go back to 93. I drafted Boises Alou in a baseball draft in 1993.
So maybe that's my problem. All right, my number one.

Speaker 1 This one might make me prisoner of the moment. And it's a recent new one.
And I just,

Speaker 1 I have to give it to Baker Mayfield. Similar to Darnold, but there's some differences because also I know a lot of people in Cleveland.
I spent a lot of time in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 His exit at Cleveland was one of the more rockiest. And you left.
After he won a playoff game, too. Right.
And then he got kicked to the curb. Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 Cleveland's a fishbowl with, you know, with their football, with the Browns.

Speaker 1 So the way he went out was rough. Then obviously he goes to similar to Darnold, goes to the Panthers, doesn't work.
To me, Baker was way closer to being out of the league than Darnold was.

Speaker 1 Hold on real quick. Remember when he went to the Rams? The Rams and won on Thursday night or something like that? That's what you mean when you say that there's no tanking in the NFL, right?

Speaker 1 Because you have guys playing for that kind of comeback. But now, I also think like...

Speaker 1 50% of teams that went to the fantasy championship had either like Baker, Lamar, Josh Allen, or Saquon, right? He was one of mine. And that is by far his team.

Speaker 1 He got another massive contract, but most importantly, that dude looks like he found the love again. Dude, it's to me, that's the greatest comeback.
And hopefully he has success in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 But he was, to me, I thought he was very close to being out of the NFL. Very close.
I'm telling you, like, I'm telling you, at quarterback, you get maybe.

Speaker 1 maybe a handful of opportunities at that position.

Speaker 1 And it could be, it could be a loss, but if you play well, it could be preseason, you play well, but like you only get so many, especially as a number one pick, and then you get cut and all this, and then you're, and then you're on, you know, vet minimum.

Speaker 1 Like, it's really hard to make it, dude. And you get, you better ball, you get one game, you better go out and ball.

Speaker 1 And then, and then you get it, then you get one more year, and then in that year, you get one game, maybe, or two as a backup, you better ball. And

Speaker 1 he was signed by Tampa, not even like they were going to start,

Speaker 1 who was backing up Tom when the Florida kid.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it was like Baker, they signed Baker to compete.

Speaker 1 It wasn't even like maybe they knew he was going to be a star, but he was competing like with, I forget the Florida kid who got drafted like second round and someone else, maybe.

Speaker 1 And then he won the job and he's been outstanding.

Speaker 1 I love that, man, especially the QB. I just love like you're thrown to the wool.
Like this league is rough, dude.

Speaker 1 And if you have a bad year or you're just whatever and like they throw you to the curb, like it's hard to come back.

Speaker 1 That's why I even think like Bryce Young kind of coming back mid-season has been wild.

Speaker 1 What I love too about Baker's was

Speaker 1 different than Darnold's for me. It's like Darnold got drafted and it kind of never worked out from the beginning.
Baker, yeah. Baker was a star.
He was in commercials.

Speaker 1 He was a star and it was like a fall from grace. I think that's a little harder to rebuild from.
So that's my number one. I'm curious to hear yours.

Speaker 1 Hit us on social. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, there's a lot. Look, Doug Williams is a great story because Doug Williams was basically getting paid less than backup quarterbacks.
And then he had to go spend a year in the USFL.

Speaker 1 And then I think that was all with Tampa, it might have been. Then he comes back and is Super Bowl MVP.
That's a great one. Fluody is an interesting, a fun one.

Speaker 1 He didn't make my top three, but Fluody is definitely a fun one. I had DeMar, look, Gino, Gino Smith is, you know, didn't crack my top three, but he's up there too.

Speaker 1 And like, even like Ricky Williams had an interesting, it's like the guys who either walk away or have a massive injury

Speaker 1 and find their way back we got to get ricky williams on i think ricky was just on manzells on glory days because

Speaker 1 what coach wanstead who i'm tight we got to get wansted on too talk i heard he's a great dude oh he's the best he coached ricky when ricky did like that whole like sabbatical he just he went off the race like there's some

Speaker 1 Wanstead was his coach was literally like like he told us stories also we'll say that for a pod because they're freaking unbelievable Kyle Trask was the quarterback in champ with Baker. So that's it.

Speaker 1 That's our throwback three. Comeback athletes.

Speaker 1 We did it. We got some good comeback athletes, though.
I like yours.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, of any sport. Yeah, we'll do that one another time.
Yeah. I mean, there's so many good ones.
Dude, we survived. We survived the holidays.

Speaker 1 We could, like Larry Davidson, by the way, real.

Speaker 1 Do we have any news from the Ferrara family yet?

Speaker 1 No news. I know what you're saying, you son of a gun.
No news. But I will say, I left out a cool New Year's Eve moment.
Okay. This is years ago before kids.

Speaker 1 I once, in the same 24-hour period, played nine holes of golf with Larry David and played beer pong with Larry David. Oh, that's awesome.
And I kept calling him Larry Leggy.

Speaker 1 I don't remember much of it. And he, anytime a ball would touch the floor, if someone didn't get it, he would watch the ball obviously.

Speaker 1 This is disgusting. So

Speaker 1 New Year's Eve, not all bad, but I'm ready to go into 2025. No more happy holidays.
No more happy new year. It's over.
We're back to living life. Hey, what's going on? By the way,

Speaker 1 we have some big stuff coming up on throwbacks here. Can't wait for the next couple months.
Happy New Year, everybody. Last time you're going to hear me say it.
Peace.

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