College Football Playoff, NFL MVP Debate, Saquon sitting & Darnold Delivering

Cole and his friends, like, think Jason Tatum sucks.

That's their take?

He sucks.

He stinks.

You know what the response was on a text?

He's got no aura to him.

What does that even mean?

I don't even know.

I was like, bro, I was like, guys, what does that mean?

Oh, dad, he's splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing in numbers, all with the number one finance app in the App Store. That's money.
That's cash app. Matt Liner, what a weekend and week and all of it.
I don't even know where to begin. I feel like my brain exploded twice over this break.
That's because we have children three and five years old. It's so funny, man, because it's like holidays are wrapped up and there's i was thinking about this the other day like there's so much build up to christmas right with especially with little ones and it's exciting and i get excited we talked about this on the show like last month about when are we going to put up the tree and the and the decorations and all that uh it happens and then the christmas music and the parties and you go to the Cleveland Orchestra and you want to like, you want to just, you know, choke yourself because you have to sit in that stand.
Like all the events, right? We had a hundred person stand-up party and then Christmas happens and it was incredible. And it's always for the kids and they have a blast.
And then, and then there's New Year's. And then I got to be honest with you.
I am so damn happy that the holidays are over.

I don't know why.

It's like, it's all of a sudden, like, I love it so much.

And then when it's over, I'm like, get this shit out of here.

I'm ready.

I'm like, it's done.

Like, you know, it's like almost you turn your mind off.

So yeah.

And it's been great with the kids, like you said, but it never quite equals out with the

hype, you know, and then it kind of goes in an instant.

But, uh, you know, I do remember even like back in the day, I'd fly back from New York to LA. I'd leave.
I'd come to New York for Christmas, December 26th, right back on the plane for LA. Because LA during New Year's Eve, and I'm talking LA proper, is a magical place because everyone's gone.
Most of the town is gone because no one from LA is really from LA. But what I used to hate was, and especially with Hollywood, it used to go like New Year's Eve, people come back to third for a few days and it's like Sundance film.
The whole month of January doesn't count in Hollywood. At least that's how it used to be.
No one goes back to work. Sundance is great.
It's a great call. Yeah.
I have some good memories at Sundance. What was your, what was your new year's like uh riveting new year's eve was not rivet it's about the kids right we know this uh let's just say we went to a new year's eve party the ball drop was like 7 30 p.m local for us i hosted a hotly contested uno game with seven six-year-olds and i was also the host of uh bingo and on christmas day i was the host of family feud i played with i got breeze whole family and i channeled steve harvey and i hosted a whole family feud game by the way how how was christmas day i think we talked about like because it was great nfl uh was great i thought mean, Netflix, whatever, it was fine.

LeBron came out and said, it's our day, yet the ratings didn't say so.

It's not your day, buddy.

NFL is king.

It doesn't matter.

NFL is king no matter what day of the year.

Was it good?

Like, did you get a chance to watch the games?

It was fine.

I didn't really get to watch games.

I'll tell you, to me, what was the most useful,

and then we're going to preview what we got coming up. The college playoffs on new year's eve the way it was laid out what really came up clutch for me because it was at a party where all the kids were kind of in a basement me and a bunch of the other dads like i watched most of those games that day christmas i saw nothing and today we got some fun stuff we're gonna do our throwback three.
You came up with this one later, comeback athletes in football, because we have some great ones competing for that award this year. And then we're going to talk Kyle's football playoffs in just a second.
But also... I can't wait for this.
Matt and I, we often talk, you know, you have an 18-year-old son who has a bunch of friends. Sports is a big part of your life your life.
My 16 year old nephew plays a little high school football. He's kind of late in sports.
Like he didn't start really all in for sports till 13, till he started high school. And now he rivals Nick Wright and Skip Bayless and Stephen A with the takes.
He is a take machine. And it really came full circle.
Nick Wright's been taking a beating the last couple weeks. I'm going to keep giving him beatings because that dude is just on one.
But he's a big Josh Allen fan. And that's what we're going to do.
He will ride or die for Josh Allen. And I think the NFL is starting to become like the NBA where the younger generation, how they used to like the Warriors because they like Steph Curry.
That generation is now growing up. I think the NFL is turning into that a little bit with fandom.
Well, it's so funny, man, because I don't know. We grew up in a different era, right, obviously.
And I was thinking about this too because we grew up in an era without access to our phone and access to social media clips and watching highlights. We had to watch a game on TV.
We had to like, and you watch the whole game or you whatever sport it was. And you look forward to those games a week.
And you were super, I don't know. Like I remember like, I was very invested in the Lakers as a young kid in the Dodgers.
Cause that's what I grew up with. And that's all we had.
I didn't have like, I wasn't on my phone during game. I was ever seen highlights and all this stuff.
And then as my oldest son, Cole, who's 18, got older and his friends. And I'm excited to talk, to talk with your, with your nephew, because it's just pure ignorance talking to them about sports because he grew up and he'd be like, he was a Clipper fan.
And, and he was a Clipper fan for obvious reasons. We don't have to get into those, but I'd be like, he'd be like, Oh, like oh the clippers are the best the lakers are shit and this is like at 13 years old i'm like what are you talking about then i'll be like then i'll be like okay why are the lakers bad well they just like you know like hey like at least give me give me a rebuttal give me the point yeah give me a point that's it if you're old enough to have a take then give then back up your opinion with some research or facts nothing they just suck they're terrible and then i go back to like well why don't you go back and watch some highlights of showtime lakers why don't you go watch some kobe and so like that conversation trying as and i and all the all the dads and our boys in our audience listening can relate to this when you have a nephew or friends of like that are 15 to 18 years old their sports takes are fucking ridiculous and they're so bad and like it's it's like it's like literally i've gotten in fights with these conversations with my son and his friends but then i'm realizing like who's the idiot i'm the idiot who's 40 trying to argue with a 16 year old telling me that steph curry's overrated like literally he's overrated or Oh really? How so? So we can really blame like LeBron and MJ.
Cause that was the generation like right behind me. The big debate was LeBron MJ.
Now that LeBron generations grown up, there's a whole other generation starting to watch him. But I remember being my nephew's age and having sports arguments, but you couldn't answer the question.
Like, here's why Lamar Jackson is better than Josh Allen. He had this many rushes.
Well, we used to argue for days about stats that we couldn't find at the tip of our fingers, and now he answered the question. While I'm still making my points, I actually know Josh Allen has more rushing touchdowns.
Well, that's also the problem, too, is we get, and this is what bothers me as a former athlete. It's like, and I get it, like we get so enamored with just stats, right? Like, okay, dude, Lamar and Lamar's great.
And just like Joe Burroughs got the best stats in the NFL. And we're not even talking about the NFL, as far as touchdowns, but like, we get so enamored with like, like Steph Curry shooting all these threes and the numbers.
Like, sometimes you have to dive a little deeper, obviously, when you're talking about, like, MVP or you're talking about what makes this athlete great. Like, the other day, like, my buddy and – or Cole and his friends, like, think Jason Tatum sucks.
Like, Jason Tatum sucks. Is there a take? He sucks.
He stinks. And you know what the you know what you know what the response was on a text he's got no aura to him what does that even mean i don't even know i was like bro i was like i was like guys what is what does that mean oh dad he's just got no aura to him like that's i think that's the new word for like swag like he's got no right you know like which makes sense but i'm like so he sucks in your opinion because he's got no aura got no or he's boring he just won an nba championship you don't have i i don't care you don't have to like guys but like my thing is like you got to respect you got to respect the game because the game is good i think it's i think the conversations are hysterical i can't wait to talk to your your boy and just see see where he goes with this because i feel like i might actually agree with him on on some things but well that's the thing i'm most afraid of is his a lot of times his comeback is like well you didn't even play high school football so what do you know and he he's played high school football right good for him but i push back he's been in the weeds jerry you have it buddy i'm like it's you gotta get more playing time start yelling at me like that.
But now, if he has a freaking Heisman winner and someone who played in the NFL as a starting quarterback on his side, you potentially could start my 2025 off in a rough spot with him. I can't wait, dude.
If you agree. What's he at, Gen Z? What are we, Gen Z? Alpha? There's all these generations.
It will be a generational quarterback discussion before we hit college football i feel like we had like a social media beef you and i while over the break i couldn't tell if you were i almost had a text you i couldn't tell if you were actually telling me i'm like a like a a hater or if you were just breaking my balls i couldn't tell tell. Oh, no, I was dead serious.
It's all over fantasy football.

I was dead serious.

I think your take on fantasy football

is absolutely fucking stupid.

My take, which I posted.

It's just, you talk about,

you're big on lazy takes.

I think your fantasy football take

is just a lazy take.

Lazy?

You said it's boring.

I think fantasy football is lazy.

Well, then, and then we talked about this, and, well, well then and then and then we talked about this and well what okay first of all we talked about this the fact that i i think it's more the leagues that you're in and the people that you're surrounded because you made it clear a lot of these leagues this and you were you were describing your league i'm in five fantasy football leagues it's probably way too many i was in two championships this past week and and I lost both of them. Now I came out.
I know it was brutal. But I wasn't upset because I'm like, you know what? This is what I signed up for.
This is what I played. I got to the finals.
It just wasn't my day. Okay? It just wasn't my day.
I didn't know Chuba Hubbard was going to go on IR three days before the fucking final. Okay? It's okay.
I ran into Malik Nabors who wanted to get 50 points. That's just what it is.
But I enjoy the fantasy football giving me incentive to watch on Sunday. I don't have the luxury like you to bet in the state of California.
And that's part of my take, which you say is lazy. That's part, but if I did, I would just bet more more and play fantasy and for me playing with my oldest son and good buddies and talking some shit and just and then just enjoying a sunday when i have to be with the kids and the family day but i can scroll through my phone if i'm at church and my wife yells at me and i look at the thing i'm like okay fuck i'm winning this game so far.
It's just fun. It's fun.
And if you win, you make a little dough. If you lose, you know, you get them next year.
And you think it's boring. You think it's boring.
Okay. Let's roll a couple of things back and we don't have to.
Okay. If you are in a friend league where it's your buddies from whatever, high school, college, you work with, and you are a part of each other, and you guys watch games together, maybe even there's a live draft, who knows? I'm all for that.
Live drafts are great. That's a camaraderie league.
That was never my point. And I said that wasn't my point in my tweet.
I said, if you're part of that, that's great. More power to you.
I am no longer part of that. None of my friends want to draft in person.
No one goes out to watch games anymore. Maybe I'm just an old fuck, and that's what it is.
That's what it is. Okay, but, I mean, I've been doing this since 1993.
Forgive me for being a little burned out. I'm going to read you the roster in one of my leagues.
This was the championship roster. Yeah, but see, I don't— No, no, I'm going to stop'm going to stop you there.
I don't care, I don't care about your roster. That's, that's where we're wrong.
I don't give a shit. But this is where fantasy's boring and dumb.
Bryce Young, Justin Jefferson, fine. Love it.
All good. DJ Moore, really? Don Tavian Wicks, Zach Charbonnet, Blackshear, Abdullah, Mark Anderson.
This is a team that was two points away from winning the championship. Okay, but that's also a 14 get there was that a 14 team league it's a no it's actually a 12 i thought it was 14 that's 12 12 is terrible too i'm in a 12 team league i think it's trash 10 is the perfect number 10 so it's just too random by the way it's too random and head-to-head is the worst thing that ever happened to fantasy football.
Head-to-head, okay, so great. You're in third place, but you have, like, the second lowest points in your league.
But somehow you also have the least amount of points scored against you, and you're in third place. How is that, like, a productive year? You're not in third place based on wins and losses.
You're in third place. No, that's what I'm saying.
You're in third place because of wins and losses, but you have the's what i'm saying say you're you're in third place because of wins and losses but you have the second lowest point scored in the league yeah how does that make sense because sports are unpredictable dude football is unpredictable i i i will argue head to head is the worst thing to happen for the next two hours i think it's trash i think your take on fantasy football is- Are you still starting a kicker?

Absolutely.

Okay, so you like your Super Bowl being decided by some kicker.

You put no real research into drafting that you probably just grabbed off the waiver wire.

Oh, that's not true.

No, that's not true.

Oh, Jeff Boswell?

Jeff Boswell?

No, I drafted Justin Tucker, who was terrible this year. You know how I picked up McLaughlin for Tampa Bay, who balled for me the last three weeks

because that was a great waiver wire pickup. Would you say he helped you get to the Super Bowl? Yeah, he was solid.
Okay. I didn't lose.
By the way, I didn't lose. I feel like I got you on the ropes.
Next point. By the way, I lost.
One second. I lost because Malik Nabors decided to go for 48 points in this league that I'm in who his last great game was like week three okay so I should be pissed it happens uh Mike Evans decided to have three touchdowns last week Derek Henry's a beast and Josh Allen's a beast I know those two were beasts then my boys who decided to not show up were Kyron Williams and Joe Mixon and Chuba Hubbard.
My running backs led me to the title this year. They all didn't show up.
I mean, it is what it is. It's football.
I'm not mad about it. You weren't one of the hundreds, if not thousands of people who lost to the rando who picked up the Atlanta Falcons versus the Giants and Falcons defense put up 28 points.
That's called fantasy football's luck. It's war and...

I understand it's luck.

To me, it's swung too far

in the luck randomness department.

What I used to love

is thinking I'm doing research.

This is just your New Yorker.

No, no.

Stick with me on this.

I used to love thinking

that I was actually doing research

no one else was doing.

And maybe I could find a sleeper that no one else could find that I was super high on, that I was going to take in the fifth round. Everyone's drafting off the same big board research that's at a click of a finger.
And you're at a draft. If you're doing an automated draft, it feels like a sim.
Half the league is auto-picking by like the sixth round. Well, auto-picking, if someone auto-picks from the leagues I'm in, no, they're booted from the league.
We don't auto pick. I like that.
I was in high stakes leagues where guys were auto drafting. What are you going to tell someone who's paying $2,000 for a league they can't auto draft? And he won.
And he made the playoffs. And he made the playoffs.
Well, how could you argue? He made the playoffs with an auto generated team. Let me tell you something.
I'm going to sleep okay at night

knowing that I'm going to play fantasy football

in five leagues next year,

and I'm going to be happy about it.

I'm going to try one last thing.

No, you and I are going to join a league together.

This is what we're going to do.

We're going to join a high-stakes league.

We're going to have some fucking fun doing it, okay?

We're going to invest a little.

I don't invest a ton of time on the waiver wire.

I don't do a ton of research.

I go with my gut.

I'm a very good fantasy,

although three leagues I got my ass kicked this year.

I think that's a ton of time on the waiver wire. I don't do a ton of research.
I kind of, I go with my gut,

my gut.

I, I,

I'm a very good fantasy.

Although three leagues,

I got my ass kicked this year.

I draft.

Well,

I kind of know the players.

It is what it is.

It's luck.

You're part of the problem.

I,

well,

look,

I think we either start our own.

I'll commission it.

We'll make it high stakes.

And I have some big rules or I might join.

Everyone on Twitter was saying,

uh, to do a guillotine league, which you, I think I was texting. Yeah.
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I don't know like the auction. I play just basic, man.
Like I don't have enough time to learn a new freaking league and like the auction and the keeper leagues and all that. Like I just, I like my normal fantasy PPR.
Betting is so much better. And maybe that's what I'm a victim of.
By the way, bet too when I can. So, well, speaking of betting, something that I made a decent amount of money on throughout the first round was the college football playoff system.
How great is the playoffs? It was great. And I just took all favorites early on.
Cause it just looked like smart. it just looked like to me i gotta see until

these upsets start happening so i had a few parlays where i'm just taking i did a few money lines with all the favorites and then i just did a few point scores so now after the second round matt you've you went to it first of all you went to three of them in person and now having watched two full rounds of the college football playoff system. What was your takeaways? Look, I'm really tired of just the negative narrative around the college football playoff.
And what I mean by that is like, obviously, there's not a fair system. It's just not.
It's impossible in college. NFL has their seedings and system and all that, and it works.
College is different because there's not a fair system like like it's just not it's impossible in college like nfl has their

seatings and system and all that and it works college is different because there's there's a

million teams and it's a 12 team playoff which i think at some point is going to get to 16

i do think there needs to be some tweaks with the reseeding and all of that kind of stuff right so

that we don't get some of the potential blowouts that we got in the first round but again that's

sports there's blowouts in the nfl playoffs there's all sorts that happens every year i i just i

when I was talking about it. It's my job.
It's my passion. I think there's nothing better than college sports and college football.
I wish we could all just sit and enjoy these games without the narrative of like, well, this team should get in and this team. Like coaches are gonna talk shit.
Like things happen, but I see it so much online. I'm just like, I actually tweeted it out this week.
I was just like, can we just enjoy these kids playing? I don't care if they make money. Like, can we enjoy these games and these kids playing and the passion they have and the fans and the passion they have? So that's one thing.
I, I love it, man. I thought we had, I mean, we had some great games this week.
I mean, Arizona state, Texas was, by the way, and this is why, this is why I love college football. Nobody gave Arizona state a shot to win that game.
They had a buy. I think they were almost 14 point dogs going up against texas the mighty sec and by the way i mean a targeting call should have happened maybe the arizona state wins that game again i hate i hate making excuses but that was a blatant miss penalty uh by those refs um that game was freaking awesome cam scadaboo are you are you kidding me dude like i we've been talking about him all year have you have you ever seen him play like have you heard of him before this week so i so i have heard of him have have i seen tons of dude dog scadaboo highlights no i always liked that he was known to throw the ball here or there yeah he does that like i follow that with him i definitely not a guy i would have expected to have that kind of a game like i i love i love see i i just love like i love the platform platform and the opportunity that a guy like that had right now he's gonna get well he should get drafted regardless because he's a really good football player 30 carries he was one for one passing he had eight catches for 99 yards he threw up on the sideline and just said, screw it, I'm coming back.
Like, the dude was a beast. And by the way, he talked his shit before the game, basically saying I'm the best running back in college football.
And he backed it up, man. And so, like, I just think performances like that and games like that is why we love.
And then we had the Rose Bowl, which wasn't a great game, but I'll tell you what, I've played in that game twice. I played it against Michigan.
I played in the national championship against Texas. There is nothing better than college football at the Rose Bowl, man.
It is the most beautiful backdrop in sports. The grass, the color speed.
It looked beautiful on TV. The stealth bomber.
It's one of those things where if you've never been to a Rose Bowl game, whether you're a fan of a team that's playing, you should go. It's a bucket list.
Go sit in a Rose Bowl and go enjoy a college football game now that it's a playoff game. Honestly, all of it was great, man.
I love the call. call.
I think we're going to, I think, you know, whoever makes the champion, like, it's going to be great. Like, college football is awesome.
There are going to be some tweaks. People need to sit back and freaking enjoy this and stop crying about teams and this and that.
You know what I wanted to ask you? And this correlates with football, but I do think it's a little different. So, and we're taping this on a Thursday.
So we'll have known the results by the time this airs, but going into, you know, a little bit later, we don't know obviously who's going to win Notre Dame, Georgia, but Notre Dame wins. And that means all four teams with buys have lost.
Now, do you think there's anything to that? I mean, obviously a lot of the teams that got buys technically weren't on paper, the better team. the whole thing that people are bitching about to your point but being in college versus being in the pros when you're rolling and you're getting into your like end of season run it used to be a bowl game and you get that bye week unless you have your best player nursing an injury can that always be a net positive or can it be a negative? How many times have we seen in March Madness where you see, talk about betting, where you see a team make a run in their conference tournament, right? You see a team that's like a hot team makes a run.
Maybe they win the conference championship and they get like, you know, like I don't have an example, but I just know every year we see like a Miami or a team that's like, oh, they're pretty good. And they're getting, they're peaking at the right time.
And then they make a nasty run in the March Madness, right? They're not sitting out. Again, there's more games to be played, but there's something about momentum and there's something about peaking at the right time and continuing that.
And when you look at the college football playoff, look, I feel like I had this argument with argument with mark ingram um a couple like last month i was like i was like i would rather have a buy for the sake of injury getting healthy uh you know you know just just extra work like whatever like the extra game plan like but there is something about a team like ohio state right getting that first round-round home game, beating a team like Tennessee, gaining the confidence, kind of clicking, putting everything together. Then all of a sudden we saw them, and they just absolutely dismantled a really good Oregon football team.
There is an argument to make that it's like you almost don't want to sit for a couple weeks and you want to play, especially Ohio State coming off a loss to Michigan. That was like you know that was that's what we all like oh they stink they just lost to michigan like i don't know i still would lean towards a bye just because i think like you want especially if you're you know it's a long season college football but um yeah we're seeing a lot of those teams you know but it's also too like like this goes back to the reseeding and like some of the tweaks, like Boise state, love them.
Good football team. Not the third best team in the country based on the ranking.
Right. They're just not right.
Um, you know, Arizona state, by the way, great game. And they prove they belong there.
Really? Are they, are they the fourth best team based on the ranking? Probably not. Right.
Like, like Oregon to me, deserved to be number one. They just ran into a buzzsaw.
Can I add something real quick, though? If you're a team that gets that buy, just curious, fan, dumb question. So say you're Oregon, and are you having any preparation even before Ohio State plays Tennessee, right? Can you even start preparing at that point, not knowing who you're going to play? Do coaches sometimes, it's probably going to be Ohio State.
In that case, everyone thought it was a little bit more of a toss-up than it was. So, you know, are you just healing and resting? And then once that game is decided, you're full go? Was there stuff happening before? For Oregon's case, right, the Big Ten championship game was like December 5th.
They didn't play until New Year's. A month almost, yeah.
Hard not to think Ohio State's going to not. I'm telling you what, man.
We said it all year. Anything can happen, but we said it all year.
When that team plays just well when they play well enough they're by they're in my opinion by far the most talented team in the country on paper both sides of the ball they're elite on both sides of the ball um also 20 million dollars worth of team you know players but um they just they had a clunker against michigan they lost to oregon early, who I think on the road, right, was a good football team. When they're on, they're unbeatable.
And I think they're unbeatable at the moment. And that Texas, Ohio State's going to be a fun game.
I just, I think when you look at Ohio State, we think of their offense and all these guys and if Will Howard plays well, but their defense is elite too. Like they're maybe the best defense in the country and that's what people forget.
I'll be watching. I want my in-laws to be happy.
So I'm pulling hard. Real quick, real quick.
For Ohio State. Cam Scadaboo.
How about Jeremiah Smith, dude? This dude. I'm telling you what, man.
NFL scouts and GMs, they want him now. Like that's how good this kid.
I can't remember a freshman. Maybe Adrian Peterson.
Adrian Peterson, as a freshman, was like one of the few people we thought could be in the NFL literally right out of high school. That's how physically dominant he was.
Jeremiah Smith is like that. Like, teams could tank for him in two years and get a Julio Jones slash A.J.
Brown slash Jamar Chase type player. Like, that's how great this kid is.
Sounds like he'll be on the Giants because the Giants will probably still be bad at that point. That's fine.
Then you got Malik Nabors and Jeremiah Smith with Shador? What? All right. It's time now.
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So Matt, you're probably going to be unhappy with mine, but it's time. I have to do it.
It's getting close. Let's hear it, buddy.
I have two, but I'm going to go with the one I think is going to annoy you the most. I don't even know if you know who this guy is.
He is a player by the name of Tyler Kolickik does that name ring a bell to you uh where'd he play college that's not important what's important i would know him from college he basically yes last night the knicks were up against uh who were they playing last night the utah jazz at home so he played in the morning he played for the westchester knicks a g league game you know he's a young guy he still plays a g league but travels with the team plays drops 31 One in the morning. He played for the Westchester Knicks, a G League game.
You know, he's a young guy. He still plays at the G League, but travels with the team.
Plays, drops 31 in the G League game. And then shortly before tip off, Brunson for the Knicks is out.
Miles McBride warmed up and couldn't go. He's out.
Knicks are a little thin. This dude then suits up, plays 12, 13 minutes at the Garden all in one day.
How on earth is that not considered a saucy moment right there? By the way, he's a Marquette guy. I looked it up.
By the way, I watched him last year. The kid is an absolute baller.
He's a point guard. Another lefty like you.
Is he a lefty? He's a lefty. The Knicks have a bunch of lefties.
But I don't know. I saw that.
I thought that was pretty damn saucy. He's going to make the league.
I'm telling you, he's going to make the league. I remember watching him.
He was damn good, dude. He's put up some good games already in small sample size.
How many points did he get? He only had like four points. He had four points.
He had two assists, two boards. But all until he played 12 minutes.
He wasn't even supposed to to play a minute and he played 31 minutes and dropped 31 points at 11 o'clock in the morning. Yeah.
I saw him make a run last year in the tournament. Um, all right.
So that's a good one. My, uh, let me just think how many games could you play right now? Pick up in the same day.
I could probably get two in there too. And then I'm out.
I'm done.'m done so my saucy moment of the week is i'm gonna stay with college football and i don't know if you saw the little yeah like the little tedious little fight between brett bielema illinois football coach and shane beamer uh at south carolina first of all like let me set some let me get some context to like Big, SEC matchup, two of the best conference in college football. A lot of shit talking between teams.
A lot of shit. I think Altmaier, after Illinois ended up winning, talking smack about the SEC because everyone thinks the SEC is king and all of this and whatever.
A lot of people thought South Carolina maybe should have been in the playoff, yet they just lost to Illinois. So like they're just, you know, there's just a little bit of that going into the game.
By the way, if anyone said bowl season is done, they didn't watch that game because the emotions of that game was awesome. So I don't know exactly what happened, but there was a substitution late or something.
And then one of the Illinois guys went down and Brett Bielema comes across the sideline to check on his player. Then he like signals some stuff of like basically of like illegal substitution or whatever.
And he kind of is taunting the whole South Carolina sideline. They're on the, they're in the huddle.
And, and I like Shane Beamer. I think he's a heck of a coach.
I like his energy. he he it was so funny to me because he like starts bull rushing brett bielema and like security had to like keep it back and he's shit talking and all this stuff and like again what's he gonna do he's not gonna do anything but it just it was funny and brett bielema just kind of walks off kind of smirking and then he gets back on the sideline and the tv cuts to him and he's just like like the players around him are like waving the towel getting getting hyped, you know, like it was one of those things.
And he just has a smirk on his face. And it made me think of, I don't know if you've ever met or seen Brett Bielema.
I have, I have an autographed football with Russell Wilson and Brett Bielema on it from Wisconsin when I did, when I went there. Yeah.
Brett Bielema is a big, big dude, dude. I'm not rushing him.
By the way, great dude. Like, awesome.
Like, hell of a coach. Like, just, yeah, you're not rushing him.
He's like 6'3", 6'4", 350, and doesn't give a shit, okay? And so it just made me think, I'm thinking, like, Shane Beamer's like the little dude. Like, he would have got his ass kicked.
And then I'm thinking, like, this is where my mind goes when I'm watching this shit. I'm like, what football coach do you want in the foxhole with you if shit's going down? And one was Brett Bielema, and two was Dan Campbell.
Dan Campbell. Two coaches you don't want to see, you know, in a hallway and talking smack.
Because they just don't care. Football guys who will beat the shit out of you.
Who else? think i mean dan campbell you don't want to step dan campbell for sure i liked mike singletary's brief stint as a coach he wasn't a coach for very long but he had an intensity to him that i feel like he can go to another level if he if he had to that i have to give some thought on that that's definitely number one or two. I thought the moment was great.
I think it too, like, I love college football. I love the passion.
I love when coaches kind of get heating. I love the shit talking.
I love the Big Ten SEC. It was just fun to watch, man.
And people were intense about it. And that game, both teams played their ass off, and Illinois came out with the win, and they backed it up.
then and then they had a little uh banter back and forth on x like kind of you know beamer kind of came out and said whatever he said and then belam just basically said happy new year like it was fucking funny dude oh i love it i love the petty shit shout outs to wendy's that's our can't get enough sauce moment of the week uh we're gonna come come back, talk a little bit of week 18 NFL, and then we are going to bring on 16-year-old Anthony Ferrara to have the generational quarterback debate. I can't wait for that.
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Welcome back to Throwbacks presented by Cash App. Before we get to my nephew, Anthony Ferraro, we're going to run through the NFL really quick.
So, and it kind of was part of like the fantasy conversation a little bit. This week 18 really only has one game that I, that I think anyone's really going to watch or care about if it's not your favorite team as Vikings lions.
Uh, I got to imagine a game though. That's crazy.
It's going to be a crazy game. Who do you like in that game.
I know it's not your favorite team as vikings lions uh i got to imagine what a game though that's crazy it's gonna be a crazy 14 and what do you like in that game i know it's hard to i i kind of like the vikings only because where's that game at detroit it's in the soda no it's in detroit it's in detroit both in the don't i just i just think minnesota is playing so well it's just like a well-oiled machine it was detroit dude know, but I think the Lions are just short enough guys that the Vikings win it on the road. I think it's going to be a hell of a game.
I like the Lions. I like the Lions.
I don't think anything else is going to be weird. Isn't there a scenario this weekend where what needs Well, everyone wants the Bengals to make the playoffs, right? But they need the Broncos to lose, which the Broncos are playing the Chiefs.
With the backup. Carson Wentz.
So the Bengals need the Chiefs for their backups to beat the Broncos. But I think they need another loss, too, and the Dolphins to lose.
But the Dolphins are playing- Who are the Dolphins playing? The Jets? Or the Bills? Dolphins are playing at the Jets. At the Jets, which that's going to be a pretty hard one to lose unless they all rise to get Aaron Rodgers a dub on the way out the door.
Jets are good enough to win. Tua is questionable in that game too.
So I guess it could happen. If there was ever a time for an NFL conspiracy fix, you would think that they would want...
I think the Broncos win they're in. Is that the case? Broncos win.
It's done. Broncos win.
None of that's a point. I think the Broncos are going to beat the Chiefs.
I don't think the Chiefs care. They've already locked it up.
They've locked it up. So, I mean, there's nothing really consequential.
I'll tell you what. Nobody wants.
I don't think anybody wants to see Joey be in the Bengals in the playoffs. But that defense is so horrible.
I know. I know.
I know. But I'm telling you, man, you sneak in the playoffs.
Basically, every team is 0-0. It does not matter.
It makes you so mad because there was so many winnable games. I was on an 8-8 team who was shit, and we ended up going to the Super Bowl and should have won.
You get an offense and a QB like that in those moments? I'm telling you. Well, quick trivia question for you to think about.
We'll answer it before we bring my nephew on. Since playoff seeding began in 1975, five teams have never been the number one seed.
The Lions are one of them. Can you name the other four? In the NFC or just in the NFL? Just the entire NFL.
I'm sorry. The entire NFL since 75, five teams have never been a one seed.
Lions are one of them. Yeah, Cardinals.
I have the Cardinals. Let's not confirm.
Andrew's going to throw it. Our producer, Andrew Gundley, is going to throw it in our chat.
I would guess the Cardinals. I almost went Panthers, but they went 15 and one with Cam.
Jags. I got the Jags.
I got the Jets. I can't remember a time where the Jets were a one seed.
What about the Texans? Oilers, Texans. That's a good pick.
I put the Vikings in there. I put the Vikings in there.
No, dude. The year they went 15-1 with Randy Moss and Culpepper, I thought.
I thought they were a two seed that year and the Giants knocked them out.

Can we have it?

Because now I want to know.

Cardinals, Jags.

Cardinals, correct.

Texans, correct.

Jets, correct.

Never a one seed.

And the Buccaneers.

I thought maybe the Jags were a one seed in 1999, 14 and two.

That's Mark Brunel.

Mark Brunel. Yeah.

And is it Keenan?

Keenan McArdle. Keenan McArdle.

Fred Taylor. Fred Taylor was a dog.

I think that's the team. Can you name

the Jags quarterback after that?

After

Mark Brunel?

Yeah. David

Garrard? Yeah. Nice.

He played for a long time in that right after Brunel. Cardinals, Texans, Jets, and Bucks.
Wow. I feel like the Jets are part of our trivia questions all the time.
I feel like... They're on the wrong side of history.
They're on the wrong side of this shit every time. You kind of realize they're kind of a shitty organization.
How did you feel about the Saquon thing he's 101 yard shy breaking dickerson's record now i also said i think sitting him's good it's a 17 game thing now he did it in 16 and then before that was oj uh ed the same with ed broke ojs and had more games right i mean it's it's kind of the way it goes i i it funny. He wanted to play.
He said he wanted to play. Yeah, I think for me personally, I would have loved to see him try maybe for a half or a quarter.
Again, you get a gauge for kind of how you're playing. It's like all he needs is 100 yards, which for him this year has not been tough to get.
So I think just the fan and me and the sport, and I love Saquon, just would have been really cool to see because, you know, some records just live a long, long time. And actually, it's funny, man, because I was reading an article.
Like, there's actually a lot of, a little bit of backlash. Like, people are kind of saying, like, it's anti-fan, it's anti-competitive.
We pay to watch it. Kind of like resting players in the NBA is a little bit different because the NFL is so many fewer games.
I'd be curious to hear your thought on that from that perspective. But at the end of the day, I had no problem with it because in football, a bigger picture is winning a Super Bowl.
And that's your prize. That's your horse.
In any other sport, I would say go for it. But it is football.
It is violent. I'm sure it would have been cool.
Is it really cool for the fans? I feel like it's cool for Saquon and his family going forward. But as a fan, selfishly, I would rather him sit because I would never want to be in a high ankle sprain and they're not getting the one seed.
So they're not, it's not like they go, we have a bye week too. And Casey tweaks something you're playing that next week.
And I think most Eagles fans, I know Andrew's a big Eagles fan. I feel like they want super bowls and not rushing records.
So I think for Saquon, it would have been cool. I don't think you're doing the fans a disservice at all.
They have it wrapped up. If it was an important game, believe me, he'd be playing.
If they needed that game to maybe be a one seed or maybe clinch a division, he's playing. So I don't feel like you're shorting the game.
It's a meaningless game. It means nothing.
We might never see that record be broke. That's a tough record, man.
I don't feel like you're shorting the game. It's a meaningless game.
It means nothing. We might never see that.
We might never see that record be broke. That's a tough record, man.
Because you got to, dude, you got to, I mean, look. He might be the last like cat workhorse.
You have to play all 17 games as a running back. Averaging a buck 50 a game.
Like that's hard to do, man. Like that's kind of why too, like I kind of want to see him try because it's like dude that's just like that's awesome man like we get to witness greatness but at the end of the day by the way yeah eagles fans don't give a shit and you mentioned earlier malik neighbors ruining your fantasy season he also ruined the giants draft situation Drew Locke ruined the two guys.
Well. Drew Locke, but I mean, he was throwing the neighbors over and over and over again.
I've had time to process it as a Giants fan. I've talked to myself.
How does that make you feel? I hated it. I was texting Max Greenfield at halftime because not only was it destroying my parlay, but I was also texting him.
Why? Now, you played the game. So you could answer this much better than I can.
To me, as a fan, I can't understand why they would want to win that game. But I could see from a player's point of view, if you're playing for a job and you're laying down tape and all that.
So is that how it works? Yeah, I mean, there's not's not yeah i think when you're in that locker room like you're like again like it's a job and again football is so much different man than all these other sports dude like you play you have 17 regular season games like that's all you get you get one game a week to put tape out there like this is your job like football is cutthroat man and so for these kids these kids in there, and a guy like Drew Locke. Drew Locke's fighting to stay on rosters.
He's obviously got a lot of talent. He's going to be a backup for a long time.
But when you get an opportunity, you're going to make the most of it. Kind of like I think we'll see the Chiefs this weekend with backups.
Andy Reid's not going to call a game to lose. Those guys, if they go out and win, it's because they played well.
Like Carson Wentz has an opportunity this weekend to ball, and maybe he gets a chance at a starting job next year. So like for the Giants team, like in Dayball, and all these guys when your job's on the line, like you want to go and win games.
I know. It's just so hard.
I get it, dude. I get it.
And also, like, at the end of the day, like, there's not a... Like, you look at this draft, and I love Shador, and I think Shador's the best quarterback.
But, like, last year you had, like, Caleb was one. Right? You had even Jaden Dant.
Like, you had real elite, elite, like, dude, this what we need we want him and not to say that's not what shador and cam warden these guys and like travis hunter's gonna be up there but like like you win that game or you lose that game you're still in the top five you have a chance maybe to draft up if you want you know like patriots aren't taking the qb so like there's still an opportunity there, man. But, like, as fans, I get it.

But those players don't give a shit, dude.

Like, they're playing for a paycheck.

They're playing to be on the roster next year or another team's roster.

Well, we could also see what the younger generation of America thinks about such things.

Joining us now on the show, he's 16 years old, live from New York City, Anthony. How's it going, buddy? All right.
How's it going? What's up, dude? What's up, Matt? Good, man. Good.
Is that your gamer chair, by the way? Yes, it is. That's a long time.
Yeah. We've been having some battles in Madden, Matt.
I beat him in this chair every day. Are you kicking your uncle's ass or what? Well, basically, yeah.
I mean, if he doesn't run the ball every play, he can win. We'll get on the sticks, dude.
I'll show you what's up. I'm sure Jerry's not very good.
I wanted to talk to you because you and I have been, and I'm hazing you a little bit, but I wouldn't say you're new to football, but you've been big into football since you pretty much started high school so you're going on a few years about two years you stand hard for josh allen my first question for you is what when did you discover josh allen was this elite quarterback like you have the giants in new york is it because the giants and jets are so bad it was i became a bills fan just because it New York. Is it because the Giants and Jets are so bad?

It was, I became a Bills fan just because it may sound weird,

but it was the first football game I've ever watched.

Like I turned on the TV.

Okay.

You put it on the TV and the Bills are on.

That's it?

That's all it takes?

I didn't know enough about football to even be a bandwagon.

I knew nobody.

Like absolutely no one. So I turned it on.
Do people think you're a bandwagon because you like the Bills living in New York City? Some people do say that. Some people like to say that.
So make the case for us, you know, and he's pretty clear favorite. I think he's minus 300 on most of the betting sites.
I think Lamar is like plus 150. That's really, and it's coming down to this week.
Why is Josh Allen the MVP of the NFL over Lamar specifically? Because their stats are pretty, pretty close. They're pretty close, but I don't think you can do it based off stats just because if it was based off stats, Lamar, Allen should have won it last year, you know? But if you watch the games, really, Lamar wasar was MVP last year you can debate it he was the best player on the best team but I think this year Allen's MVP number one they're 13 and 3 they had the division locked up for five weeks the stats are there it's just horrible okay but they still locked it up pretty easily okay okay the stats are there for Allen the record is there watch the games, he's playing amazing.
He beat the two best teams in the league, the Chiefs and the Lions. He beat them, and he had incredible games against both of them.
I just don't see, if you're watching the games and you're not just looking at it based on stats, I don't see how you could say it's Lamar. He also got his ass whooped by Lamar, though, early in the season.
Good point from nfl quarterback i'm just saying by the way i'm on the defense i see he blames the defense now i mean they only scored 10 points so it's probably a little bit of both but was a little bit of both yes okay so this is where i think you and i compare or you and i agree i think josh allen's supporting cast. I'm never going to say bad because all these guys are NFL players, but when you compare it even to Lamar, Lamar's got Derrick Henry, dude.
Derrick Henry. Yeah, totally.
Arguably. By the way, could be the MVP this year.
He's got Zay Flowers, who just made his first Pro Bowl. He's got Mark Andrews, who didn't have a down year, but obviously a Pro Bowl tight end.
Josh Allen has Khalil Shakir. Who is leading? Exactly.
And by the way, Uncle Jerry goes, well, he's got Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman's a set.
Keon Coleman has 40 catches this year, dude. I know.
And missed a bunch of games. Keon Coleman's going to be good.
James Cook, by the way, had some. James Cook didn't even rush for 900 yards.
But he's got 17 touchdowns. Okay, but he didn't rush for 900 yards.
He didn't. Josh Allen has 600 yards rushing about— Let's talk about the elephant in the room here.
What continually comes up, and especially between me and my nephew, is the Allen-Mahomes debate, okay? Josh Allen does deserve to win MVP this year. He's going to win.
He should win. But, and I know Mahomes' stats have not been good, but now we're just talking about the position and who plays it well and who wins.
Now, you could say the Chiefs have a better... Look at the supporting cast of the Chiefs.
And look at the supporting cast of the Bills. This year, not overall.
I don't understand how on earth you can say

that the Bills supporting,

that Allen's supporting cast is better than Mahomes.

I can make sense.

How can you say that?

Well, Anthony, who do you think has a better supporting cast,

the Bills or the Chiefs, Ant?

I would say it's relatively even,

but the Chiefs are definitely not worse.

They're definitely better.

The defense is definitely a lot better than Buffalo's.

I mean, when they played,

they didn't let Derrick Henry have 200 yards like the Bills did. I gotta be the Chiefs.
I mean, there's no D-hop and Barry Cooper's. Jerry, they have, yeah, Barry Cooper.
They have the best tight end to ever play the game who's still playing at a high level. They have, and by the way, where I threw Uncle Jerry off the other day was I told him, I said, you gotta forget, man, Andy Reid and that offense, he's outside of maybe Kyle Shanahan and maybe McVay.
He's one of the best play callers of all time. Yeah, I don't want to bring that up, but Mahomes is in a better system.
Don't bring it up, dude. Are you kidding me? So are we saying Mahomes is a system quarterback? What are we saying? No, because he...
I'm saying Mahomes

is great. And by the way,

I would say no one

wants to see Mahomes in the playoffs. I don't care

who he has. So that doesn't matter.

And by the way, the MVP really doesn't matter because Mahomes

doesn't give two shits.

I mean, you're taking Mahomes

over Allen every time, are you not?

In the playoffs, I am.

What do you mean this year?

I'm taking

Mahomes in the playoffs every time. Are you not? In the playoffs, I am.
Because I... What do you mean this year? I'm taking Mahomes in the playoffs every time until proven otherwise.
And by the only person to beat him, just like the only person to beat Brady was Eli Manning, the only person to beat Mahomes is Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow's probably not going to be in the playoff.
Now, I think maybe this is the year for the Bills, but everyone everyone says the chiefs suck they're 15 and one dude like i don't care like they are still really good all right very beatable let's talk about the supporting cast you get me on andy reed but like the coaching thing i'm not i'm just going off of the weapons he has on the field andy reed is the best coach in the nfl for sure so you're saying Mahomes, you're saying John's weapons are better than Mahomes. This year? I think when fully healthy, I think the Chiefs have the edge.
I think losing their best wide receiver who was having an amazing year, and Rache Rice was huge. He had three games and a quarter or two with Rice.
Pacheco's played seven games this year. Seven.
Kareem Hunt balled. Kareem Hunt balled.
He's been fine. Kareem Hunt's been just as good.
Yeah, he's just as good. He didn't have 17 touchdowns like James Cook, who I think, I know he doesn't have a thousand rushing yards.
He has a lot of receiving yards. Who are you? So Xavier Worthy, great home run player, could take it to the house at any moment, he's not someone that's going to go get you 10 for 130 and kelsey who i love it's so clear the chiefs are keeping the cover on the car until the playoffs start like i don't even think the chiefs have begun to flex kelsey and they're 15 and 1 jerry you can't you can't even name what anymore outside of sh Shakir and Keon Coleman, who can you name?

Well, Anthony, tell them.

Give me your statement.

Here's how I know.

I know all about the Bills.

Ant, I've quoted you to Matt.

Give me the quote that I love more than anything.

While we were watching a Bills game together.

Might have been that Bills-Rams game, which was awesome.

Give me the famous quote.

Matt Collins is the best wide receiver five in the league.

What does that even mean?

By the way, he's not even wide receiver five.

He's got to be three or four.

I just don't see.

To me, Mahomes right now, yes, he does not have the numbers

to be in the conversation with Josh Allen or Lamar.

Wait, guys, hold on. Cole, answer me me this question who's got a better supporting cast josh allen with buffalo or mahomes with the kansas city chiefs this year who's who's a better supporting cast he said mahomes not even close i don't hear him saying anything he's right here he's he's about to go.
We got Jerry's nephew on. We're talking.
This year with the current health situation. Look, he's coming in.
Go. Call Liner.
What's up, buddy? Mahomes by a mile. With no...
We're recording right here. With no rice and seven games of Pacheco this entire season, you'd say Mahomes and it's not even close? Yeah.
Travis Kelsey, Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Brown's played two games.
Okay, but he's back. Xavier Worthy.
Xavier Worthy catches like, he has like 30 catches. Okay.
I'm waiting for these amazing names. Who does Josh Allen have? Yeah, Khalil Shakir.
Khalil Shakir. What is he in yak, Anthony? What is Shakir in yards after catch? He's top three.
I know that. Top three yards after catch.
James Cook, 17 touchdowns. Dalton Kincaid, Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman, who I think is legit as a very, very young player.
But he hasn't proved that. I mean, he can be legit, but he hasn't done anything that he said.
Has Xavier Worthy can't hear you, but you should ask him who should be MVP because he's going to have a different taste. Who's the MVP, Cole? Who's the MVP? Who? Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen. Come closer.
Lamar Jackson's best player of all time. All right, so is that just a blanket award? Do you think this year he was more valuable than Josh Allen? Okay.
I'm biased. I think Lamar is MVP every year just because what he does, running and throwing, but more valuable to his team, I mean, it's Josh Allen this year for sure.
But you say quarterback rankings, Lamar's the best quarterback in the NFL. 100%.
Yep. For sure.
Anthony, who's your, give your top give us your top five. Matt, we're going to do top five.
Give me your top five right now today. Your top five NFL quarterbacks.
Based off the season? Yes. As of right now, the best five we'll let Anthony go first and then we'll your top five quarterbacks.
So this is in no order? No, no, no. I want the order.
I want the order. Order? Yeah.
Allen's number one. We knew that.
Allen's number one. Lamar's number two.
Okay. I want to put Mahomes at three even though I disagree.
You don't want to. That's not what you told me last night, buddy.
Tell me what you said last night. Burrow's number three.
Herbert's number four. And Mahomes is number five.
Herbert. I love Herbert.
I have no problem with that list outside of Justin Herbert. You could switch Herbert and Mahomes.
So you have Mahomes at four? All right, let me ask you this question. You got Josh Allen.
You got Lamar. You got Burrow.
And you got my homies. Two minutes left.
With these teams, with these teams, down by six, need a touchdown to win. Who's your quarterback? With these teams.
Josh Allen. Come on.
Listen, I love... Allen has the most turnovers out of all of them this year.

How can you trust them?

I'm talking playoffs, dude.

I'm talking Super Bowls, on the line, playoffs. He's got three rings, Ant.

Ball, you got to score a touchdown to win.

You can go Allen.

You can go Allen.

It's not a trick question.

It's definitely between Allen and Mahomes. Burl and Lamar, they're out of there.
Well, I will say this year, here's why I wanted to do this exercise too. I feel like because Mahomes' numbers are, for him, the most pedestrian they've ever been.
And they're still good, by the way. I mean, they're not great.
They're not. Look, compared relative to where the rest, his numbers are...
I think it's 26 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. Right.
That's not... For him, that's not good, but I would be thrilled if Daniel Jones had that.
I would be absolutely... I'm sure the Jets would even love to have a guy like that with those numbers, but he has become Mariano Rivera to me.
He's a closer now. It's keep it close with the defense the defense don't do anything crazy and then when the game is online the thing his superpower now is close game he now has that aura that mj had lebron to a degree at times where you just know the guy's gonna close out the game you just know he's gonna fit i was at the Super Bowl last year.
The Niners were leading at half and were in control of that game. But no one there was, even the Niner fans were not jumping up and down like we got this.
They were on edge and nervous because you know you have, to me, the best closer in the NFL by far on the other side. So I think he's graduated on to being that.
I think if Mahomes wanted to go out and win the MVP award

and Andrew Eben's like, let's do this shit,

I think he could probably do it still.

I think he'd probably throw 45 touchdowns if he wanted to.

All right, last thing before we let you get back to,

and maybe we'll play some Madden later.

We know it's the Bills.

Who are the Bills playing in the Super Bowl?

What's your Super Bowl matchup?

How can we say anyone else but Detroit? Injuries and all? Okay. I don't see...
I think Detroit would beat Philadelphia. I do think Minnesota's going to win, though, and get the one seed.
I do, too. See, we're aligned on that.
I picked them earlier. So Detroit comes out of the NFC, huh? I think so.
I mean, how can you not want that Bills-Lions?

We saw what happened the first time.

Bills-Lions would be dope.

That would be great.

Yeah.

And we might even get,

do you buy anything into like Hutchinson really saying,

if we get to the Super Bowl, I'm playing?

Hell yeah.

Physically, can he?

I mean, he broke his leg.

It was a violent leg break.

And even if he plays,

does that mean he's going to be himself? I mean, first game off the injury. There's something called you take a couple shots before you go and you get that adrenaline going.
You don't feel shit for three hours. I'll tell you what.
I don't know what his prognosis is now at this point, but if he's healthy enough, why not? And Dan Campbell would be crazy enough to be like, all right, you're in. Suit up.

Get in there.

He would definitely. Something definitely he would do.

All right, Ant. Well, listen.

Good luck to Josh Allen and the Bills.

We'll talk later.

We'll run some Madden later.

But good first podcast appearance.

We're going to get you back on with Cole,

maybe some of Cole's friends,

and we're really just going to let the younger generation

take over this thing.

All right, let's do it. Later, buddy.
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That's money, that's Cash App. Matt, who or what is our money moment this week? There's a lot to pick there's a lot there's a lot to pick from I almost said we talked about Cam Scadaboo earlier I almost wanted to go Cam Scadaboo because just because he's becoming my favorite player I gotta give it to my former USC quarterback Sam Darnold and the money moment of him coming in the locker room the whole team cheering for him putting him up on the shoulders a little bit, like, like, like a Rudy type feel to it.
Right. And, and this, God, I feel like we talked about Sam so many times on this, but it's just, it's such a fricking awesome comeback story this year.
And to give a little context, right? Like this kid drafted 2018 top five overall to New York jets, right? Tough place to go play and be successful. And we know what happened there.
And he had the infamous, like, I'm seeing ghosts on the sideline. And he became an NFL bust after three years, right? That's what happens, especially when you play in New York.
He goes to the Panthers, not much success there. Then he goes to San Francisco as a backup, right? And a restart and kind of a

re-energize. I know what that's like.
I did something similar when I went to Houston and Gary Kubiak. Just to kind of take a step back, you're not starting, there's no pressure, learn the system, relearn the position, get your confidence back, and then maybe get a shot if you get another shot.
And that's the crazy thing is, so then Kevin O'Connell takes a chance on him in Minnesota. They draft J.J.
McCarthy

top 10 overall to be the

guy. And if J.J.
McCarthy

doesn't get hurt in the preseason he probably might be the starter because he was playing pretty well you think about that and so you don't get very many opportunities in the NFL especially at quarterback and for him to you just put this year in context for him to be 14-2 and to just be balling every week. And for every week, there's always people out there not giving him his flowers because of what they think he was in the past.
And I hate that because I think Sam has always been a very good quarterback. He's just finally in the right system with a coach and a team, an organization that

believes in his talent. And let me tell you

something, Jerry. J.J.
McCarthy is probably

going to get traded. And let me tell you something.

Sam Darnold is probably going to get a massive

bag this offseason. So he's

my money player, my money moment,

my money comeback.

That's going to lead us into our throwback three,

but I got Sammy D.

You know what? The red, what do we call him?

The red hammer. Yes.

I would be thrilled with

Thank you. That's going to lead us into our throwback three, but I got Sammy D.
You know what? The red, what do we call him? The red hammer. Yes.
I would be thrilled with, this is how bad it is for the Giants. I would be thrilled with one of those two quarterbacks on the Giants next year.
By the way, so it's an interesting situation because J.J. McCarthy coming off an injury, obviously a very, very talented, not a deep quarterback class this year.
You have kind of the two guys right now, Shador Sanders and Cam Ward. Josh Allen, or not Josh Allen, excuse me, J.J.
McCarthy is one of those guys to keep out on one of those teams in the top five. They said they're going to take calls.
I mean, that's the other thing. Technically, the Vikings could sign Darnold to a big contract.
J.J.'s on that They could just keep you. They don't have to do anything.
They don't have to do anything. But if you can get major draft capital or slide up in the draft and get some players, and then go get a free agent QB as a backup, knowing, and again, knowing in that system with O'Connell, you're going to get a lot out of your quarterbacks there because of how great of coaching is.
It's a win-win for Minnesota. Sam Darnold, shout out to Sammy D.
We saw Bryce Young come back, benched. Baker Mayfield come back.
The Cleveland Browns just threw him to the street, and look what he's doing. So is Darnold your number three for our throwback three comeback athlete in football? Yeah, so comeback athlete in football, throwback three.
He's not. I'm going to throw him in there.
I did this quickly. There's so many great stories.
I mean, gosh, like DeMar Hamlin, obviously, a couple years ago, literally, I mean, literally, like, heart stopped on the field. He's not in my top three, but that kind of goes without saying.
Pearsall for 49ers this year got shot and like got shot in San Fran and came back and played. This is all time though.
You can go any year you want. Yeah, I'm going all time.
I'm going to go Alex Smith is number three. Good pick.
And we're buddies. We almost came out the same year.
I came back my senior year. Hell of a career in Kansas City, San Francisco.
Obviously had the horrific Joe Theismann-esque injury to the leg. And gosh, I don't know how many surgeries he had.
Dozens of surgeries, infections. Almost amputated his leg.
I think he was really close to losing his leg. Yeah yeah but then comes back and plays uh i don't know how many years he played after that but came back and actually played i think for the uh the redskins at the time right it was yeah um so i mean just an unbelievable career cut short probably because of that but then came back um incredible story and even and just an even better dude alex smith is one of the best dudes out there so that's my number three so my number three he's one of my favorite players of all time to watch uh he was on teams i didn't like though is randall cunningham you know he burned out with the eagles in 95 he gets benched She sits out all of the 1996 season.
Your boy, Coach Denny Green, lures him back in 97 with the Vikings. I think he signed like a one-year, $400,000 deal.
He's got Chris Carter on the team, goes on for that crazy wild card win comeback that they had, and then he comes back off the bench like the next year in 98 when Brad Johnson goes down. down that was when randy moss was there it just was a wild two years they went 15 and one that year so randall cunningham just a player i i thought was done to be honest i remember being a kid watching thought he was done came back so that's my number three randall cunningham oh he was so fun to watch so fun um guy could just heave the ball like 100 yards too.
Remember he had that one punt? When he had the longest punt in history? Longest punt, yeah. Like 90-something yards.
That's right. Number two, Peyton.
I think, again, this is kind of my era with the neck injury and the fusion or the back, whatever. Like he was sidelined the whole year um and then goes eventually goes

back to denver um and just in the last couple years of his career and wins a super bowl with no arm strength left with with no arm strength and peyton's one of the greatest of all time but like you watch it like they had the great defense that year um but no arm strength couldn't throw the ball past 20 yards and just, and just that that's what made him so great. But to sit, I mean, messing with the neck and all that kind of stuff, man, is like super dangerous, especially playing a sport of football and for him to come back and then win another bowl or win a Superbowl, um, was pretty incredible, man.
Yeah, I agree. I remember,, you know, they lost that first Super Bowl to the Seahawks.
And it was like, oh, this is not going to happen. Denver's done.
And that is one of the more remarkable. Who did they beat in the Super Bowl that year? They beat Cam and the Panthers, the 15-1 Panthers.
That's right. And that was the one at Giant Stadium, I believe, which I still never thought.
That's right. They.
They lost to Seattle. Remember like the opening drive.
They threw the, they snapped the ball over his head. You knew the game was over, right? Yeah.
I was like, oh dude, Legion of boom is done. So my number two is I kind of broke my rule.
I usually have to have someone I've watched, but this one is just a fun one. When I researched and I read his story, Ed too tall Jones, what made this cool made this cool for me listen check it out one of the best defensive ends when he walked he walked away in 79 because he went at 28 because he wanted to pursue a career in boxing this dude check this out he had an 88 inch reach so for context tyson fury who's 6'9 whatever has an 85 inch reach he has three inch longer reach than Tyson Fury I who's 6'9", whatever, has an 85-inch reach.

He has a three-inch longer reach than Tyson Fury.

I think he went like 5-0 in boxing.

So he's out of the NFL for almost two years.

Then he comes back to the Cowboys and just picked up right where he left off.

He made three more Pro Bowls. And he lasted all the way to when Jimmy Johnson got there in 89.

I thought that was just a cool one. I mean, also, like, you quit to play boxing.
You're not quitting because you want to protect your body. You're quitting and you're going to boxing? I think that's a different kind of dude right there.
All right, number one is Michael Vick. And maybe a little controversial, but when you look back, and Michael Vick, to me, because he was someone when I was in high school, so I'm trying to think the years he was at Virginia Tech and he was, he changed the game, like of how we watched football, in my opinion, especially quarterback.
Like there were guys like Steve Young and guys who could run, but like Michael Vick was the first like, like video game player at that position we're like holy shit right so

and he had a great career in atlanta um and i remember my first my first real action as a rookie was in atlanta against vick i we were losing so i went in the second half i threw i think i threw a pick or a touch and i remember talking after the game he's like oh man you're gonna have a bright future buddy blah blah blah and so like always just respect him obviously the whole issue the dog fighting and this and and just all of that went down and he goes to jail i think i remember right didn't he go to prison for however long so career done in prison um out of the nfl and then when he gets out i remember he really like you know like second chances right and and and i think he had a different perspective and i remember i remember and i was young when i was watching all this but i was playing and it was like he was just like started advocating for all these other things and he just really he really turned it around and then goes back and goes to philly and balls in philly right like a second like like almost like MJ, like two real separate careers. And then goes back and goes to Philly and balls in Philly, right? Like a second, like almost like MJ, like two real separate careers.
And then, so then does that. And then it's more so now because then he goes to Fox.
And I've gotten to know him at Fox over the last handful of years. He's a great dude, man.
Like every time I talk to him, he's just a great one of those guys. Like he's just always asking how the family, like just a really good dude.
And then just got the job at think Norfolk State right as a head coach in college football and again we're seeing more of these ex-players become head coach head coaches I think I think his story is is incredible of of kind of turning it around and you know a perfect example of getting a second opportunity to to kind of like make things right he was able to do that. And now he gets a chance to mentor young men in college.
And again, I just think he's an incredible dude, man. So one of the best comeback stories I think we've ever seen in all of sports.
Yeah, you're almost not supposed to come back from something like that. That is supposed to derail you.
And you could maybe rehabilitate your life, but you're not supposed to have a professional sports career after that. And he didn't.
It was Andy Reid who took the shot and rolled the dice. And had success there too.
A lot. I mean, yeah.
Talk about a fantasy draft pick too. God, Michael Vick was all-time first quarterback.
I didn't play fantasy football then. You know, I never started playing fantasy until like seven years ago.
That's my problem. I go back to 93.
I drafted Boises Alou in a baseball draft in 1993. So maybe that's my problem.
All right, my number one. This one might make me prisoner of the moment.
And it's a recent new one. And I just, I have to give it to Baker Mayfield.
Similar to Darnold, but there's some differences. I love it.
Because also, I know a lot of people in Cleveland. I've spent a lot of time in Cleveland.
His exit at Cleveland was one of the more rockiest. And you live in the- Dude, it was after he won a playoff game too.
Right. And then he got kicked to the curb.
Cleveland's a fishbowl with, you know, with their football, with the Browns. Like, so the way he went out was rough.
Then obviously he goes to, similar to Darnold, goes to the Panthers, doesn't work. To me, Baker was way closer to being out of the league than Darnold was.
Hold on real when he went to the rams the rams and one on one on thursday night or something like that's what you mean when you say that there's no tanking in the nfl right because like you have guys playing for that kind of comeback but now i also think like 50 of teams that went to the fantasy championship had either like baker lamar josh allen or saqu Saquon, right? He was one of mine. And that is by far his team.
He got another massive contract, but most importantly, that dude looks like he found the love again. And to me, that's the greatest comeback and hopefully a success in the playoffs.
But he was, to me, I thought he was very close to being out of the NFL. Very close.
I'm telling you, like, I'm telling you, at quarterback, you get maybe a handful of opportunities at that position. And it could be a loss, but if you play well, it could be preseason, you play well.
But, like, you only get so many, especially as a number one pick, and then you get cut and all this, and then you're on, you know, bet minimum. Like, it's really hard to make it, dude.
And you get one game, you better go out and ball. And then you get cut and all this and then you're and then you're on you know bet minimum like it's really hard to make it dude and you get you better ball you get one game you better go out and ball and then and then you get it then you get one more year and then in that year you get one game maybe or two as a backup you better ball and um he was signed by tampa not even like they were gonna start uh who was backing up um tom when uh the florida kid it was like oh yeah yeah yeah, it was like Baker, they signed Baker to compete.
It wasn't even like maybe they knew he was going to be a star, but he was competing like with, I forget, the Florida kid who got drafted like second round and someone else maybe, and then he won the job and he's been outstanding. I love that, man, especially the QB.
I just love like you're thrown to the wall. Like this league is rough, dude.
And if you have a bad year or you're just whatever, and like they throw you to the curb, like it's hard to come back. That's why I even think like Bryce Young kind of coming back mid-season.
It's been wild. What I love too about Baker's was different than Darnold's for me.
It's like Darnold got drafted and they kind of never worked out from the beginning. Baker, yeah.
Baker was a star. He was in commercials.
He was a star. And it was like a fall from grace.
I think that's a little harder to rebuild from. So that's my number one.
I'm curious to hear yours. Hit us on social.
What did we miss? Look, Doug Williams is a great story because Doug Williams was basically getting paid less than backup quarterbacks. And then he had to go spend a year in a USFL.
And then I think that was all with Tampa might have been. Then he comes back and is Super Bowl MVP.
That's a great one. Flutie is an interest, a fun one.
He didn't make my top three, but Flutie is definitely a fun one uh i had demar look gino gino smith is yeah you know didn't crack my top three but he's up there too and like even like ricky williams had an interesting it's like the guys who either walk away or have a massive injury uh and we find their way back we got to get ricky williams on i think ricky was just on manziel's on glory days because what coach wonead, who I'm tight. We got to get Wanstead on too.
I heard he's a great dude. He's the best.
He coached Ricky when Ricky did that whole sabbatical. He went off the...
Wanstead was his coach. He told us stories.
We'll save that for a pod because they're freaking unbelievable. Kyle Trask was the quarterback in camp with Baker.
So that's it. That's our throwback three.
Comeback athletes. We did it, Matt.
Good comeback athletes, though. I like yours.
Oh, we took about any sport. Yeah, we'll do that one another time.

I mean, there's so many good ones.

Dude, we survived.

By the way, we survived the holidays.

We could, like Larry David said,

by the way, real quick.

Do we have any news from the Ferrara family yet?

No, no news. I know what you're saying, you son of a gun.

No news.

But I will say,

I left out a cool New Year's Eve moment, okay?

This is years ago before kids.

I once, in the same 24-hour period,

Plenty of time. But I will say I left out a cool New Year's Eve moment.
Okay. This is years ago before kids.
I once in the same 24 hour period played nine holes of golf with Larry David and played beer pong with Larry David. Oh, that's awesome.
And I kept calling him Larry Legend. Do you remember much of it? And he, anytime a ball would touch the floor, if someone didn't get it, he would wash the ball off.
He's like, this is disgusting.

So New Year's Eve,

not all bad,

but I'm ready to go into 2025.

No more happy holidays.

No more happy New Year. It's over.

We're back to living life.

Let's go.

By the way,

we have some big stuff

coming up on Throwbacks here.

Can't wait.

In the next couple months.

Happy New Year, everybody.

Last time you're going to hear me say it.