Matt’s CFB Playoff Road Trip, Bruce Feldman’s Transfer Portal Breakdown & Scott Porter Joins the Pod

Speaker 1 Can you end this with beatboxing, please? Can we get a beatbox?

Speaker 2 Everybody always asks for the beatbox. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 Damn, Porter. Maybe we'll change our theme song to that.
That was.

Speaker 1 All right, welcome to another episode of Throwbacks presented by Cash App, sending, spending, saving, splitting, tipping, donating, gifting, or just typing in numbers, all with the number one finance app in the App Store.

Speaker 1 That's money, that's Cash App. Matt Leiner, you know what I want to lead off with this show right now because I'm so hyped up.
Clear eyes, full hearts. Can't lose.

Speaker 1 So good. Friday Night Lights alum, Scott Porter, aka Jason Street's going to be joining us later, which I'm so fired up for.
He's a huge college football fan, too, but I know him for a long time.

Speaker 1 I just think that, and they just announced Friday Night Lights

Speaker 1 reboot is pretty much on and going. It's going to be a new storyline.
I think it would be foolish not to.

Speaker 1 invite some old cast member. Like clearly Jason Street could be coaching somewhere, right? God, what a stud.

Speaker 1 And also just looked into my wife, has a just ultimate crush on him and pretty much every guy in that show. And he just looks into the, the video and just gives her a clear shout out.

Speaker 1 Like it was like, it was amazing. What a great dude.
What

Speaker 1 iconic show. Like entrap there.
Iconic show. Kind of the same time.
It was the same years. You guys were kind of on that.
Kind of the same time.

Speaker 1 And when I, you know, I always get, I always get asked the reboot question. And, you know, my take with Entourage is it's just hard to think what it would be, but sure, I guess it could happen.

Speaker 1 But Friday Night Lights is such a clear reboot. You could drop in at any point,

Speaker 1 change schools, just stay in West Texas or wherever it is, under the lights on Friday, get a good little love triangle in there, and we're off to the races, right?

Speaker 1 The love triangle, yeah. It's a great show.

Speaker 1 He's awesome, man. What a multi-talented guy, too.
Like unbelievable. Just like you talk about, like we talk about versatility in our world, like of

Speaker 1 sports, studio shows, like, you know, like any industry, like the more you can do, the better.

Speaker 1 Like, if you look this, look Scott up and just his resume and his like IMDB page and like every, like he's truly remarkable, like everything that he's been able to do.

Speaker 1 And like, what a great dude, man. And you guys used to rock fantasy football together.
All the time. I'm out on fantasy.
I even told him on tech.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're, you're, I'm like, Scott, I'm out on fantasy. I bet now.
And he's like, what? That's ridiculous. Like, he's, he's still like hanging out.
I have a spot open.

Speaker 1 I have a spot opening up in my league for next year. Come on, dude.
It's going to be really really hard to get me back in. It's going to be really hard to get me back in.
What's it going to cost?

Speaker 1 What's it going to cost? That's why me. I haven't signed an NIL deal to join your fantasy league.

Speaker 1 It did inspire our throwback three today. So in honor of Scott Porter, aka Jason Street joining us, we're going to do our throwback three

Speaker 1 best fictional quarterbacks in movies or TV shows. That'll be later in the show.
But we said triangle three.

Speaker 1 Speaking of things of three, you this weekend have something happening you're going to three places this weekend christmas is coming early for me let let the audience know to me this is what i would want for christmas is this exact trip without all the just super in the weeds details so this weekend is the first week in the college football playoff 12 teams right everybody's super excited got a couple great nfl games on saturday it's like they're going head to head but um It's kind of like what everybody's want, right?

Speaker 1 This is the first like March Madness-esque for college football. So

Speaker 1 my oldest committed to SMU. So we're originally going to Penn State SMU game all the way over to State College.
It was just there a month ago. Hell of a hell of a travel day for us.
But you know what?

Speaker 1 You only get to do these things once in a lifetime with my oldest. So I said, screw it.
We're going. Let's go.
So we were going in the stands. We're sitting.
Fans like SMU rocking, whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm total dad mode. Okay.

Speaker 1 I get a text from a buddy that's like, hey, you know, what time is that game? All these games are are like lining up. We're telling the times.

Speaker 1 And he's like, why don't you fly out to Notre Dame or Chicago Friday, come to the Notre Dame, Indiana game. Brady Quinn, my buddy, on the show with me.
He's obviously going to be there.

Speaker 1 And this other friend is friends with both of us. He's like, let's go to that game.
And then we'll just fly over on the plane over to Columbus that night.

Speaker 1 You can take the plane over to Penn State the next morning. The Penn State game's a noon Eastern game.
So sick. Fly it back.
We'll go do dinner in Columbus. And this is one of my best buddies.

Speaker 1 So it's like, you know, he's like family. He's like, fly it back.
We'll go to dinner and then we'll go to Ohio State, Tennessee that night.

Speaker 1 And while I'm having this conversation, I'm in the car on speaker. You know, I'm driving on speaker and Cole is looking at me like freaking out.
Like, what, dad? What? What? Is it happening?

Speaker 1 Is it happening? So we're essentially, we're going to Notre Dame, Indiana Friday night. We're flying to Columbus that night.
We're waking up.

Speaker 1 We're taking the plane over to State College on Saturday morning we're we're we're uh we might actually be in a suite that game or i'm gonna just say i don't know but it'll be freezing but we're watching that game at noon we're coming back it's about a 45 minute flight we're coming back we got a great uh dinner uh down in um on hyde street or uh what's it uh i don't even know the street in columbus but the street we're always at when we're in oh um and then we're going to the night game which is an eight o'clock easter game ohio state tennessee the next morning we're coming home so i would have been gone the same amount of time i'm actually home earlier leaving from columbus and state college but i mean, three of the four playoff games this weekend, we will be in attendance.

Speaker 1 Shout out to my boy.

Speaker 1 Cool experience. You know, it's not like I get to do that thing every all the time.
So again, that, that, it's just wild.

Speaker 1 It's just like it worked, it couldn't have worked out like the timing and the proximity of each place. It just like literally couldn't have worked out any better, I guess.
And we're doing it, man.

Speaker 1 We're going to. So that, that's a dream trip for any sports fan, let alone college football fan.
But here's to me the thing that makes it

Speaker 1 iconic for you. Your son's going to be with you.
You know, even if you were just doing that with friends like, you know, Matt and his buddies, that's an unbelievable, you could do a bat.

Speaker 1 That would be the greatest bachelor party. That would be the greatest bucket list, like just whatever.

Speaker 1 But the fact that you're doing it with your kid who's getting ready to go off to college, getting used to traveling west to east, he's going to have to do that in his profession.

Speaker 1 He's going to be, he's going to be miserable Saturday. I said, buddy, I said, there's going to be absolutely zero complaining these 48 hours.
I don't care if you sleep three hours Friday Friday night.

Speaker 1 Don't say nothing. Yeah, this weekend is going to be, you know what?

Speaker 1 It's such a good point, man, because like I've, we've talked about this on the show, but like I'm in, it's like we wear a lot of hats, man, as dads and moms and work and this and that.

Speaker 1 But for me to watch my kid live out like what I was able to do and he gets to do that in his own way. And now he's committed to this school.
He's just so fired up. It's just awesome to see, right?

Speaker 1 It's like, I'm just so proud of him, right? So it's not even me.

Speaker 1 Football, it's It's not even me It's just me dad and then this weekend came up and like I've been traveling every weekend all fall and it's a lot of travel as you know and We're going we connect everywhere and it's it's not easy to get to and then it was stayed college I'm like oh my god It's like the the hardest place to get to from LA literally.

Speaker 1 It's like it's just miserable. Right.
But he's like he looked at me. He's like dad I really want to go man.
Like it's once in a lifetime. And I'm like, I look at him like, you're right.

Speaker 1 Like, who cares? We're going to sit in the plane. We're going to watch a movie.
We're going to hang out. Like, I'm going to get that one-on-one time with him.
I miss a lot of his stuff in the fall.

Speaker 1 You know, like, I miss a lot with the family, but I miss every one of his high school games on Friday night, which kills me. So, I told the wife, she goes, go, like, just do it.

Speaker 1 Like, we may, like, we never get that opportunity again. So, and then obviously, it just got enhanced, like, freaking unbelievable.
It just kept getting better. It just kept getting better.

Speaker 1 It would have been amazing if we were just there from Penn State. Like, we were rocking Penn State.
We were getting state college. We were going to do dinner Friday night.

Speaker 1 We were going to brave the winter element Saturday, root for SMU, and go to dinner that night and come home to the city. Maybe even a Ferrara surprise showing in Columbus only.

Speaker 1 I'll believe it when I see it, dude. I'll believe it when I see it.
You've got a ticket to Ohio State, Tennessee. I'm putting this out there right now.

Speaker 1 Jerry has a ticket to Ohio State, Tennessee in the suite. Nice steak dinner before,

Speaker 1 good wine, nice sweet. You don't have to sit outside, maybe a little snow about 25 degrees there.
You get to be in the shoe to watch Ohio State versus

Speaker 1 Tennessee. It's great.
Never been. 100,000 people, hour and a half trip down the road, go back to sleep.
You wake up with their kids the next morning? Like it's, they wouldn't even know you're gone.

Speaker 1 You make a great case, Matt Liner. I'm going to repeat.
I'm just basically going to show this part of the pot to Brie and just be like, what's your thoughts? By the way, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's a work trip for us. It is a work trip.
We'll do some fun stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's a great weekend of college football.

Speaker 1 We,

Speaker 1 you know, the portal has been a big story this week. You've been sending me so much stuff and my mind is spinning.
So you have something for everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we have a good friend of mine, Bruce Feldman, coming on here in a little bit to kind of just explain what the portal is, right? Because we just saw in the prime example is

Speaker 1 the backup quarterback for Penn State, Bo Probula, who's a good player, plays a lot for them, kind of a package deal.

Speaker 1 You know, whatever, he announced that he has to, he's going to the portal. That means he's not going to the game this weekend.
Like it's pretty simple.

Speaker 1 Like, so he's leaving the team early, not by choice. James Franklin came out this week and said,

Speaker 1 you know, this is what's problem with the rules now is this kid was going to leave after the season because Drew Aller announced he's coming back, but he is forced to leave during this window to ensure that basically he has a job or a spot that's lined up on the other side.

Speaker 1 It's, it's. in a way almost kind of taking over like what the story is.
And that's the games and the games will be great.

Speaker 1 But we have Bruce coming on to kind of just break it down, which Bruce is the best in the business. He's our insider at Fox, and he does an incredible job of kind of just

Speaker 1 like the like breaking it down. Like, what is the portal now? Why is the window now? The window that comes in April.
Is there an easy fix? What has to happen? So

Speaker 1 it's wild times, man. Wild times.
That's the game. So, really quick, and because Bruce is going to come on in a second, really quick, too.
I was just looking at the games and the lines.

Speaker 1 You know, me, I like to put some points on the game. Well,

Speaker 1 there's no way, by all accounts, the kid who left in the transfer portal was very, very well liked by coaches.

Speaker 1 This was not like, so there's going to be no bad blood, meaning within the locker room of Penn State, other than the fact that he is a part of some packages and has played, even though he's the backup quarterback.

Speaker 1 What makes him thin at the most important position?

Speaker 1 Right, because I'm looking at SMU. I like vibes, you know, our boy, your boy, our boy Cole's there.
I think they're getting a sign. I look for signs.
Eight and a half. So I am looking at that.

Speaker 1 If I do go either way, I could never take Tennessee no matter what.

Speaker 1 I have to go OSU no matter what. That's the one I'm

Speaker 1 most toss up to me.

Speaker 1 We're just asked Bruce.

Speaker 1 I'm going to feed off you guys, but I am going to be putting down some coin, but I'm very interested in that Penn State SMU game now because there's emotional storylines, and that's what you get me.

Speaker 1 That's where you get me.

Speaker 1 Before we go,

Speaker 1 Penn State to me

Speaker 1 has a chance to make a run at the national championship.

Speaker 1 And it's because of their path. If they beat SMU, they would play Boise State

Speaker 1 at a neutral site. Then they would play the winner of potentially Georgia, maybe Notre Dame.
Obviously, Georgia's up and down.

Speaker 1 I'm just telling you, Penn State kind of like weirdly has a

Speaker 1 really good football team that has a path to make a run that no one is really talking about. But obviously, I'll take SMU and the points.
SMU is good, man. There's a lot of points out there, though.

Speaker 1 There are a lot of points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there are a lot of points. It makes me a little nervous, but they are home games, though.
You got to remember, like, that's a big deal. Texas is getting, like, what, it's a 12.

Speaker 1 Texas is laying 12. That's why, too, for me, I like Texas.
Notre Dame's laying, what, seven? Nothing's seven and a half. Notre Dame, seven and a half.
OSU, seven and a half.

Speaker 1 Penn State, eight and a half. Texas, 12.

Speaker 1 I'm going to pick Texas to cover because that's the only game you're not going to. And to me, that's going to be the blowout.
You're going to be like, look, we even dodged the blowout.

Speaker 1 We dodged the biggest blowout. That's a good shot of being a blowout, though.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good shot of being a blowout. I don't see

Speaker 1 clemson scoring a ton in that game so and clemson has struggled against outside of smu they struggle against i think they played georgia and south carolina the only two teams ranked they played during the regular season and they they could couldn't even move the ball now they scored obviously smu but texas' defense is unreal so i like that one that's a safe pick all right now we welcome in my good buddy Bruce Feldman, our big noon kickoff college football insider, senior college football writer for the athletic and co-host of Bruce and the bear.

Speaker 1 Brucey, what up, baby? How you doing, man? What's up, guys?

Speaker 3 Good to be on. Finally made the big time.
Thank you for finally inviting me, Matt.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 we haven't gotten invited on your pod. I mean, you do like a million pods, but maybe one day we'll get on there.

Speaker 1 All right, so I wanted to bring you on, obviously, because

Speaker 1 this weekend is a big weekend because it's college football playoff, 12 team. Everyone's really excited for it.
I almost feel like, unfortunately, it's been a little overshadowed by the portal news.

Speaker 1 And just like, I think I read like 2,000 kids somewhere around there in the portal in this go-around um the big one was bobula who's playing in the college football game he has to he left before a college football game uh game

Speaker 1 can you just explain the portal you know why now obviously there's another window in the springtime how it's affecting these players and how it's affecting these teams now and moving forward Yeah, it's mass free agency.

Speaker 3 So the Bo Probula story, and he's not just a backup quarterback at Penn State.

Speaker 3 He's a big part of the game plan. They have a package for him because he's a dual threat quarterback.
You see him in games. He's accounted for nine touchdowns.
He felt like he had no choice.

Speaker 3 If he was going to move on for next year, you got to remember these things. So this is the last week for official visits for transfers.

Speaker 3 Also, if you were, if he was going to do an official visit, Penn State's playing in the game on Saturday. They have a playoff game.
So you would have missed practice time, preparation time.

Speaker 3 They felt like he couldn't really do that. And as a quarterback, it's different if you're a receiver, if you're a defensive lineman.
Schools can take multiple. You're only taking one quarterback.

Speaker 3 So it's essentially like a game of musical chairs. If somebody else gets the spot first, you got to look elsewhere.
And I think that's hard.

Speaker 3 And it's really hard for him because, as he said, Pennsylvania kid grew up dreaming of playing for Penn State. Now they're in the playoff.
It's a home game.

Speaker 3 You've been in

Speaker 3 Happy Valley for big games. I mean, he's going to miss that.

Speaker 3 But he felt like he had another choice because the timetable, when they have this portal window, it's ridiculous because it butts up against the regular, the postseason.

Speaker 3 And if Penn State keeps winning, he wouldn't have been able to do anything until probably January 20th.

Speaker 3 So what I think you will have happen at some point is there will be only one portal window, and it'll be in the late spring, in that late April to May range after spring football.

Speaker 3 But what you got to keep in mind, I know a lot of people rant about this.

Speaker 3 There is no easy fix for this because to move it from, you know, at that point, they're also known, you're probably getting lawsuits that'll come up because players will argue, hey, regular students can transfer at mid-year, why can't we?

Speaker 3 Football coaches can go take another job at mid-year. Why can't we?

Speaker 3 And so once you get into that issue, that's what a lot of the schools and the NCA, I think, is really worried about is that if you move it away, move that this one window and reduce the tomb, you know, spring window, you're going to get lawsuits.

Speaker 3 And that's why people can think, oh, it's an easy fix to do that. It's not an easy fix.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because what does it look like for him if he said, well, I really want to play in a national championship and in the playoffs. I want to try to compete for a national champion.

Speaker 1 You know, he has what, five touchdowns this year. So he's a part.
There is a package for him. If he waits, what does that second window look for him? Just like not, he's kind of out of a job almost?

Speaker 3 He might be out of opportunities because there's only so many spots.

Speaker 3 Look, you you know, you know, to a, to a lesser degree, you know, Matt, you're seeing this with Cole, his son, where it's like, you have to look at the board of who else is going.

Speaker 3 Like, you know, schools aren't investing, and literally now it's investing in multiple quarterbacks. You're either the guy or they either they move on to somebody else.

Speaker 3 And I think for him, especially as a dual threat quarterback, there's certain systems he feels like he's going to, that are going to be best for him. And

Speaker 3 I think what you do have, because there's a couple of instances of guys, Devin Brown, who's one of the backup quarterbacks at Ohio State, he's in the portal, but he is going to play

Speaker 3 in the playoff. Preston Stone, who used to be the starter at SMEs, is also going to play.
But I think there's guys who may already know where they're going.

Speaker 3 So if they have a destination already lined up, you know, I think it makes it easier for them to go, okay, I'll join them later. But also for the schools that do that, you run the risk.

Speaker 3 If it's a quarterback, you really value it. Maybe a guy you're going to pay 500 grand or more to.
You're taking a chance that that that guy is still going to be there.

Speaker 3 And what happens if that guy just, you know, doesn't end up going to your school? Then all of a sudden you missed out on other quarterbacks. I mean, it's a weird free agency model, unlike the NFL.

Speaker 3 Like the NFL isn't doing free agency in the middle of the Super Bowl season, you know, or in the playoffs. So that's why

Speaker 3 it's weird. It's a tough fit.
I get why he was in, felt like he was in a no-win situation. And I know from talking to coaches at Penn State, they have a ton of respect for him.

Speaker 3 I know that some people on the internet felt like he quit on the team. I know that people at Penn State don't feel that way.
They have a ton of respect for him.

Speaker 1 I was like telling Jerry this. I actually think maybe, because obviously Drew Aller announced he was coming back, right? That was a big thing.

Speaker 1 I was wondering, like, maybe Drew Aller did that in the beginning of the portal, like, because him and Bo, I'm sure, really tight. Say, like, hey, I'm coming back to school.

Speaker 1 This is going to be your opportunity, obviously, like to get out of here. Because we all kind of assume Drew might leave.
Obviously, he's not projected to go super high. um how

Speaker 3 but while just on that piece matt this is interesting though like i he drew must have told him ahead of time because for sure

Speaker 3 for like a day or two and for sure

Speaker 3 but what happens we we both you know you've seen aller in person he's big strong he's pretty athletic he's got a good arm what happens if he goes on a roll and leads them to the then all of a sudden he may end up going to the draft i know But also, what happens if something happens and now they're going, I mean, who's their back?

Speaker 1 I mean, Tyler Warren is going to be their emergency quarterback. I mean, they're going to play a freshman, right?

Speaker 3 You have Ethan Brunkmeyer, who was like a former elite level, but he was the three. You know, like, how many reps are you getting as the three?

Speaker 1 2,000 kids, right? Give or take. I mean,

Speaker 1 I always say this, too, with NIL. And like, we all, there's a lot of tampering going on.

Speaker 1 Like you said, a lot of these players know where they're going to go before they even enter the portal because agents are talking and all that.

Speaker 1 Bruce, what percentage of kids do you think go to the portal and don't have something waiting on the other side? Because I think that's always a huge problem with the portal.

Speaker 1 Like, look, you look at some of the guys like Miller Moss waited his turn.

Speaker 1 Now he's going to go start at Louisville. Like some, you know, Mac Jones, like some of these guys just waited it out for their opportunity.

Speaker 1 How many players don't get that opportunity, but are maybe told something or lied to, or now they find themselves on the street?

Speaker 3 Probably 95%,

Speaker 3 which is

Speaker 3 crazy.

Speaker 3 I'm working on now for the athletic about this very thing and talking to a lot of coaches. And one of the coaches yesterday made the point, this probably works.

Speaker 3 The portal probably works really well for like the top 200 kids and the top programs. But for all the other ones, it is a big mess and a big pain in the ass.

Speaker 3 A lot of kids, and they're still, you know, college kids and they're young. I think they're naive to they think, oh, this school recruited me out of high school.

Speaker 3 I can go back to them. Well, that's probably not the case.

Speaker 3 And I think for a lot of them, you know, if you've played in college hole, even if you played at a lower division, you know, or like lower at a group of five, at least you have film against college kids.

Speaker 3 It's the guys like, you know, Malachi Nelson's a name you know well, you know, former five-star kid from Southern California, you know, started out at USC, didn't end up playing there, then bounced to Boise State, didn't win the job there.

Speaker 3 Now he's bounced again. I think those are tough evaluations for people because it's like, what are you evaluating off high school seven-on-seven film?

Speaker 3 You know, it's like, yeah, he was once a five-star, but, you know, like those, you know how those high school evaluations work. And so I think that's why it's really hard to go through this process.

Speaker 3 And I do think, as you said, Matt earlier, you have a lot of agents and they're not like the agents you had in the NFL.

Speaker 3 A lot of them are just like, all it takes to be an agent in the NIL world is like a cell phone. Which is crazy.

Speaker 1 You don't need to be licensed or anything.

Speaker 3 So they can tell a kid, hey, we can get you, I can get you such and such because this school told me they'll give you 100 grand. How do they know that's true?

Speaker 1 And then the kid goes in the portal and then they're probably left, left you know with their fingers crossed i mean you know i was definitely one of those you because you mentioned earlier everyone rants about you know well you could fix this but hearing you lay it out this is far more nuanced than i even realized when you start even talking about the faux agents of it all is this all heading in the direction where does it need a commissioner?

Speaker 1 I know people have ranted about that because, you know, to me, I could see that solving some things, but then you bring on a whole other world. Like, first of all, who's going to be that person? But

Speaker 1 who do you nominate? Is that where it's heading? Is it heading in that direction? And who would it be?

Speaker 3 Well, I think, Jerry, I think it's heading in the direction of collective bargaining. And I think

Speaker 3 this will facilitate it or fast track it because every pro sport here in the United States has some version of that. And so it's agreed upon.
I think that takes some of the lawsuit threats out of it.

Speaker 3 If you're going to go with a commissioner,

Speaker 3 it feels like there's got to be either the head of the Big Ten, Tony Petit, or the head of the SEC, Greg Sankey, because those are the ones who are really driving everything.

Speaker 3 And I think

Speaker 3 I don't know if Greg Sankey wants to do that job or not.

Speaker 3 I don't know, but it's somebody in the power structure because you don't have the blessing of the

Speaker 3 two big power conferences. You have nothing, right? You know, and so I get it.

Speaker 3 There's been, you know, there's been a lot of chatter for that because college sports is rudderless, especially college football, because of that issue.

Speaker 1 I named Tim Brando. I think we'd get our boy Timmy B.

Speaker 3 I've just been asking for a commissioner in college sports for like since you were probably in high school at Modern Day.

Speaker 1 I know. Bruce, before we let you go, one last thought on just Bill Belichick getting hired by the, you know, Tar Hills, North Carolina.
Thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 I've heard actually a lot of positive feedback. Like, I think it's great for college football.
I think, you know, it's interesting, obviously, his personality.

Speaker 1 Any inside story on how that went down? And what's your thought on Bill being in college?

Speaker 3 Yeah, from talking to people who are close to him in this process, you know, he's his son, Steve, was the defensive coordinator at Washington.

Speaker 3 So he was there a lot for spring football and for training camp. So he has seen that

Speaker 3 his system can work in college football and defense, but also that college kids can run it because they were much better, even though they only had two starters back on defense.

Speaker 3 Washington was actually a lot better on defense this year than they were last year.

Speaker 3 But, you know, he's a brilliant coach. I mean, there's been guys who, whether it's Herm Edwards or, you know, you've seen, you know, Charlie Weiss, you've seen NFL guys come back.

Speaker 3 They ain't Bill Pelichick, though. I mean, Bill Belichick's the greatest football coach in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 So strange still thinking that he's in college.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it is. I mean, but he's, you know, he is the, you know, six Super Bowls that he won and then an additional two as an assistant.

Speaker 3 I mean, great teacher, you know, knows all three phases better than everybody. All those things.
I think he will have a lot of success early because he's going into the ACC, not the SEC.

Speaker 3 You know, so we just saw SMU go first time in, not a lot of big recruits. They're in the playoff.
Duke with Manny Diaz wins nine games in his first year.

Speaker 3 Fran Brown at Syracuse wins nine games at Syracuse. He'd never even been a coordinator before.
So you can go into the ACC and make a difference. I think, though, he will ultimately leave.

Speaker 3 after a couple of years because I think he will just get so sick of dealing with unregulated agents and the chaos that's around college football. He's 72.

Speaker 3 I don't think he's going to want to deal with the nonsense.

Speaker 1 You think he'd go back to the NFL? I just, I don't think he had an opportunity in the NFL. I think that like, like to your point, his son obviously is in college.

Speaker 1 College is being ran more like the NFL and it will eventually get more like that in the next couple of years.

Speaker 1 I just got it, just like the Jordan brand and obviously Bill Belichick and like recruiting and like,

Speaker 1 like even I was talking to Cole. I was talking to Cole about this.
He's like, dad, that's pretty cool, man. Like it's Bill Belichick.
Like we can, like, he can get us to the NFL.

Speaker 1 Like, that's the way he thought of it already without even really talking about it. So it'll be interesting to see him actually having, he's actually laughing a lot more, though.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's kind of like changed a little bit of a tune, like understanding what he's doing.

Speaker 3 He's got some young people around him now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, he's, yeah, he's, yeah, what's that? 50, 50-year age difference? Hey, it's all right. Good for him, buddy.

Speaker 1 Well, Bruce,

Speaker 1 enjoy the game. Who do you got? You got any upsets this weekend?

Speaker 3 The one I think, Brady's not going to like it, but like, you know, does Indiana learn from what happened in Columbus where, you know, our buddy Mark Ingram was pulling his hair out because the backs couldn't pick up pressure and they were, you know, Notre Dame is going to try to do a lot of the same stuff.

Speaker 3 I think Kurt Spinetti is a really good coach. Maybe they've made adjustments.
I love that we're going to get snow on the ground and it's going to be cold.

Speaker 3 I mean, you know, as you know, you've been through.

Speaker 1 I'll be there. I'm going to be there for that game.
I'm going to be there.

Speaker 3 I hope you're screwing your butt off.

Speaker 1 I think I'm going to be in a suite, so we're going to be good. Of course,

Speaker 1 yeah. Hey, if you're with Brady in South Bend, you're with literally royalty.

Speaker 3 Yeah, royalty, royalty, Jerry, walking around with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 3 last year, and it was awesome to be with, um, to be with Brady in his element, see people worship him. Like, I remember we were worshiping, we were walking around the stadium, and Urban was there.

Speaker 3 And Urban could have been like a homeless man, nobody paid attention to him.

Speaker 3 It was, they were like, there's Brady Quinn, you know, and it was, and Urban was an assistant at Notre Dame, but it was Brady. I mean, you get that treatment around here anyway, Matt.

Speaker 3 But like, it was really, as, you know, Brady's friend, it was so cool to see how people revere him around South Bend.

Speaker 1 Hey, there's a couple of fast food spots in Southern California. I get that treatment.
When I walk in, they're like, hey, we know it comes Turtle from Entourage. Let's go.
What's he going to eat?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think, I guess that's the closest of being like a Greek god is Brady Quinn at Notre Dame. I feel like it was, we did, it was last year.

Speaker 1 So he and I did like, you know, we walked around, did some content, had fun. And like, we went into like his old dorm

Speaker 1 freshman year. We went into the dining hall and like

Speaker 1 South Bend is small, right? And it's just Notre Dame. And he is, he's, you know, he's probably the best quarterback to ever play there.

Speaker 1 If you really look at it, he is literally, I took Jerry with me to USC

Speaker 1 last month. And,

Speaker 1 you know, it still gets some of that around there, but USC is just bigger and it's just different student body. It's just, and it was like, it just, it's just a little different.

Speaker 1 With him at Notre Dame is,

Speaker 1 it's it's pretty freaking funny, dude. You just kind of

Speaker 1 walk, oh, you're you're in good hands. Like, we broke into the locker room, um, legitimately broke in the locker room.
The poor girl who was sitting at the door was like, No, the alarm will go off.

Speaker 1 And Brady's like, like, I got it. I got it.
If the alarm goes off, don't worry. You'll be fine.
You know how Brady talked. You'll be fine.
You'll be fine. Sure enough, cops came, all this shit, dude.

Speaker 1 And Brady, and then they're like, oh, Brady Quinn, it was awesome. So,

Speaker 1 Indiana, I like that one. I'm pulling for I'm pulling for the Mustangs.

Speaker 3 Oh, I know you're pulling for the Mustangs.

Speaker 1 I think Texas is going to handle them. And then I think Ohio State, Tennessee.
I think that one's going to be interesting. I do like Ohio State.
I think they bounce back.

Speaker 1 All right, Bruce. It's going to be a good weekend.
Thank you, Bruce. Thanks for joining us, buddy.
Appreciate you, man.

Speaker 2 Okay, safe travels.

Speaker 1 All right, now it's time for our Can't Get Enough Sauce moment of the week brought to you by Wendy's. Perfect timing.
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Speaker 1 All right, Matt, a lot is going on in the world of sports today. Who's your can't get enough sauce moment of the week? Yeah, so I'm going with Michael Vick.

Speaker 1 And Michael Vick just took the head coaching job this week at Norfolk State, which is Norfolk State, which is close to where he lives.

Speaker 1 He was in kind of in talks, I believe, with Sacramento State. I think that's what first kind of broke and then eventually takes Norfolk State.
I've gotten to know Mike a little bit at Fox. Great dude.

Speaker 1 I'm wondering if this is going to be more of a trend that we see with former players throwing their name in the ring for these spots. You look at kind of Antonio Pierce for the Raiders, right?

Speaker 1 He got that job.

Speaker 1 Coach Prime is the biggest one in college football, and we've seen what he's been able to do. Ray Lewis was, I think, threw his name in a job earlier this year.
I know Ed Reed has been like that.

Speaker 1 And now we're seeing Michael Vick. So it's going to be interesting, dude, to see.

Speaker 1 over the next four or five years, especially when some of these guys actually have success, just maybe not coaching experience, but having success running teams and understanding, obviously, from a player's

Speaker 1 perspective. So shout out to Mike Vick.
Happy for him. Great dude.
Love getting to know him over the years at Fox. And I'm rooting for Norfolk State now, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's something I always want to ask

Speaker 1 athletes who are in retirement of if coaching is ever. And we even asked Barkley a little bit.
Because then if you look around at the NFL, Dan Campbell,

Speaker 1 Vrabel is going to go.

Speaker 1 Eddie George. Eddie George

Speaker 1 is having a great job over there, you know, where he's at.

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I can't get enough sauce moment of the week is

Speaker 1 the whole team and organization of the Milwaukee Bucks. Look, I can't say I really cared about the NBA.
You don't like the Bucs, though. I don't like the Bucs, but here's what I like.

Speaker 1 Number one, the Bucks are now starting to play really good basketball, which I saw in the NBA Cup. They're getting healthy.

Speaker 1 I had the feeling Giannis was going to be like the terminator this year, but the most important thing,

Speaker 1 they win the NBA Cup, which we still don't quite know what it is.

Speaker 1 Every baseball player would have popped champagne, celebrated, because they won the NBA Cup. It's the NBA Cup, bro.
It's a mid-season tournament.

Speaker 1 Well, your Lakers drank champagne and beer last year after they won the NBA Cup. You know what the Bucs did? Did they? They did.
The Bucs said, no, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 They didn't, all the champagne they had in the locker room was left in the coolers. No champagne.
Wait, they actually had champagne ready to go? Yes, there's a picture, Circulation.

Speaker 1 You're our NBA guru.

Speaker 1 What is the point? I mean, outside of a lot of the guys getting whatever, was it half a million dollars or a million dollar? Yes, which is very cool for

Speaker 1 guys 1,000 for 12. Yeah.
Yeah, but even guys six, seven, and eight are still getting millions of dollars for the NBA. But pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Milwaukee Bucks, love them. I'm actually a fan of all those guys.
Oh, champagne. They didn't even, they did it and they went about their business.
What is the NBA Cup?

Speaker 1 We're still trying to figure it out. What the hell are we doing? We're trying to figure it out still, Matt.
That wasn't the sauciest part.

Speaker 1 The sauciest part was the Bucs did not drink the champagne and celebrate because to me, that's the kiss of death. To me, that's it.

Speaker 1 What did you Lakers do? They won the NBA Cup. They drank champagne and they got bounced.
By the way, my daughters drank all the champagne and they whooped on the battlefield. But that's a baseball.

Speaker 1 But every team drinks champagne in baseball. There wouldn't be a world, some team has to win the World Series, and they all do it.
Anyway, Doc Rivers even said, you know, yeah, we just left it there.

Speaker 1 We didn't even have any. So shout outs to the Bucs.
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Speaker 1 Yes, joining us now, my good buddy, Scott Porter. We know each other from fantasy football and acting as well.

Speaker 1 But just real quick, we did the guilty thing of a great moment that we were not rolling for. You know, you come on, you got a nice Denver Broncos helmet in the background.

Speaker 1 How did you start again? Refresh us. You talk about your wife and cheerleading, and how does that intersect with Mr.
Matt Wyatt?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I said I moved my,

Speaker 2 we just got new internet in the house, and I had to be in a different space. I'm in my wife's craft room, and I had to move some helmets and stuff to, you know, dress up the space.

Speaker 2 I've got my Nebraska stuff up there.

Speaker 2 And I just said, you know, I thought about it, but I didn't move the Texas stuff up here because my wife was a cheerleader at the University of Texas and she actually cheered.

Speaker 2 at the Rose Bowl, Texas USC.

Speaker 1 Of course she did. Of course she did.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's

Speaker 2 why I The ball out, you know, the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Matt,

Speaker 1 the confetti coming down, the picture that haunts me forever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's, it's awful. But yeah, whatever, man.
Hey, it's good to see you, buddy. Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 2 No, thank you for having me. It's good to be here.

Speaker 1 By the way, okay, really quick, because I know you're from Nebraska, right? Yes. So Omaha?

Speaker 2 Yes, sir.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my dad was born and raised in Omaha.

Speaker 2 What part? Yeah, I'm born in Papillion, and then I moved all over the place.

Speaker 1 Honestly, no clue what part. He lived there till he was about eight or nine, then moved to California.
But

Speaker 1 all his cousins still live there. So we just did the College World Series this past year.
It's kind of like, yeah, it was like a bucket list thing. So

Speaker 1 I took my youngest son, little daddy, like Sun Time for him. He's only three.
But then my brother's nephew or my brother's son, my nephew is a big-time baseball player. He's 10.

Speaker 1 There's like, they do that big tournament out there during the College World Series for all the kids, like a thousand teams.

Speaker 1 And then we went to see a couple of the games. We took my dad.
So it was really cool. But, but, uh, have you been? Have you been to the World Series?

Speaker 2 Oh, I've been to the College World Series plenty of times.

Speaker 1 I haven't taken my kids yet.

Speaker 2 And that's like, I tell them there's something about the ding of the Yalu and a bat at you know, the old Rosenblatt Park, which I know is completely updated. Yeah.
A new stadium now.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I went many times as a kid, many times.

Speaker 1 It was cool. It was, it was cool.
Like, it was just walking. Honestly, it was the coolest part was being with my dad.
My dad's older. So, like, for him to, and we're a big baseball family.

Speaker 1 So, for us to look around and that little area, like the hotel we stayed at, you walk walk around, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Like it's, it's a, it's definitely, I don't think Jerry's going to go, but it's I'm more focused on Scott.

Speaker 1 I, you know, I want to actually take, because over here in Ohio, it's like right in between Ohio and New York, Williamsport, where they played a little league world series.

Speaker 1 That's where I want to take my kids five and three, because I just hear it's a lot of fun for them, go down the grass slide and all that stuff. So

Speaker 1 really quick, though, all right, so we know Nebraska, but where did the Broncos come with you? I never got the backstory from you of where the love of the Broncos came from.

Speaker 2 Okay, here's the deal, man. When you're from Nebraska, you are a free agent.
So I walk people through all this stuff because you and I actually share a team in common. We love the Knicks.

Speaker 2 So let me start. When you're in Nebraska, you're Nebraska born and bred.
It's all Cornhuskers all day. You're spoken for for college football back in the 80s, right?

Speaker 2 College basketball was the next sport I started kind of to watch.

Speaker 2 It was another thing that was on, you know, Saturdays. So college football rolled over into college basketball in the spring.

Speaker 2 And I would get up, I'd watch Saturday morning cartoons, and I'd watch whatever came on next. And what came on next was Big East basketball.
So, I'm four or five years old.

Speaker 2 I'm watching the Hoya Destroyer run onto the court.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm watching the Lenovo and I'm watching Syracuse. And I became a huge Patrick Ewing fan.
So, I followed him to the NBA. So, I'm a Georgetown and a New York Knicks fan.

Speaker 2 And then I started watching professional football. And when you live in Nebraska, the games that come on, because back then we didn't have satellite to all the the kids out there.

Speaker 2 You know, we had two games to choose from. That was it, right?

Speaker 2 And you would get Chiefs games, sometimes Vikings games. Bears games would always be on because there was a network called WGN and they carried, you know, Bears, they carried the Bulls.

Speaker 2 That's why so many people were Bulls fans who didn't, who aren't from Chicago, is just because they could watch them all the time, right?

Speaker 2 So I didn't like the Bears. I didn't like the Vikings, you know, but the Broncos were almost always on.
And it's proximity. I mean, it's their once stayed over.

Speaker 2 So I watched John Elway lose three Super Bowls and was still just a massive Broncos fan because that man had no quit in him. And one of the livest arms you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 You know, people who come up now who don't understand just how good John Elway was, I challenge y'all to go watch

Speaker 2 some highlight reels and everything. And I know everybody looks good in the highlights, but I mean, he makes some impossible throws.

Speaker 2 But his heart, his grit, that was like, that was a very Midwestern embodiment. We are very proud of that, right?

Speaker 1 We get get up we go to work we don't quit we don't stop and that's how elway played so that's why i'm a broncos fan listen i love elway i think matt does this great thing on tick tock and social where you like you build your your perfect quarterback and one of them's arm strength i think i picked elway for arm strength you might it might have been elway or mourino i mean either way i mean mourino had an absolute howl so here's my 30 second elway story it's it's golf related um down in cabo uh for new year's eve played golf with those guys by the way he's a stick of course course, right?

Speaker 1 He's like a one handicap. And then it was me, him, and Drew Bledsoe.
And at this bar in Cabo, they have frozen shot glasses.

Speaker 1 You take a shot and then you throw it, it's his ice, and then you throw it against this wall. And I'm with Elway and Bledsoe.
I'm like, guys, could you just do me a favor? Let's take these shots.

Speaker 1 I want you two just to rear back and just fire.

Speaker 1 And these dudes pounded it, fired, and it sounded like gunshots. I was like,

Speaker 1 I just like, if I threw that hard, I think my shoulder would come out of my socket. So Elway's a legend for a lot of reasons.

Speaker 2 He's the legendary.

Speaker 2 I think for me, man, I just, I wished that, because being an actor, like, so I'm a sports fan. And when I get around other actors, like, I have so much respect for other actors.

Speaker 2 Like, I met Morgan Freeman once. I met James Earl Jones once.
I met Clint Eastwood. Like, and I just have so much respect and everything for them.

Speaker 3 But I don't like freak out.

Speaker 2 But when I meet like my childhood, like.

Speaker 2 athlete like icons, like it's different.

Speaker 2 And so once I got into the business, like I just, the only thing I do being a part of this industry is like call people to see if I can get to sports games, right? And, like,

Speaker 2 you know, and it works, man. I go see games everywhere.
I want to go to every stadium, every sport, everything. And then I play in like these pro-ams, right? Like, I'm sure you do the same with golf.

Speaker 2 Like, I did it for flag football for a long time because I played football in high school and into college at the university.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're getting to that, Scott.

Speaker 2 We're getting to that. I was an invited walk-on at UCF and then quit very quickly because

Speaker 2 I knew I wasn't going pro. Let's just say that.

Speaker 2 But at the end of the day, like I started doing these pro-ams and I got to meet Peyton Manning.

Speaker 2 I got to catch touchdown passes from Jim Plunkett and from Dan Marino and from Troy Aikman, but I never once got to play with Elway. So that's like the biggest regret.

Speaker 2 One of the balls I got behind me is actually signed by like. everybody in the Madden Bowl was like Barry Sanders, John Randall, Jerry Weiss, Tim Brown.
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 I got to play on fields with those guys. And so

Speaker 2 that's pretty cool. So for me,

Speaker 2 my dream was always to play with Elway, but never got to catch a pass from the man. But hopefully, one day I'll meet him at least, shake his hand.

Speaker 1 You know, we met years ago through fantasy football reals, I think that brought us together.

Speaker 1 I think we kind of knew each other a little bit and mutual friends, but you've had and have such a good career.

Speaker 1 So, we're going to go back a little bit because something we talk about a lot on this show is, you know, we connect sports and Hollywood wherever we can.

Speaker 1 And for me, I'm a little worried that the sports movie, particularly the scripted movie, is going away because it's been, it's been so tapped. And now sports documentaries are so good.

Speaker 1 And the number one thing that will drive me away from any sports movie is bad,

Speaker 1 not acting, bad sports actors. We talk about it so much on the show.
And that's something I loved so much about Friday Night Lights is the football looked great.

Speaker 1 We know Pete Berg was probably a maniac about that.

Speaker 1 And what I want to ask you is, when you were up for the role, going after the role, whatever, how much was it acting versus how much were Pete or whoever the show talking to you about the football of it all?

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. No, Pete.

Speaker 2 So in Hollywood, there's something called cast contingency, right?

Speaker 2 When a network green lights a show, like NBC, Greenlit Friday Night Lights, they say, hey, but we want you to really take a hard look at some of our picks, at some of our favorite actors that we think would be great for the show.

Speaker 2 And Pete Burke came in like, I don't know, like a new head coach into an organization that's basically like, no, fuck that. Like, not doing it.
Right. Like,

Speaker 2 I'm not doing that. I'm going to cast the people that I think are right for the roles, period.
I'm not putting any of your stunt casting into the show.

Speaker 2 But the football never really came into it.

Speaker 2 He just wanted guys and girls who he thought like really embodied the spirit of the characters because as great as Friday Night Lights was, and we did have wonderful football coach Alan Graff was our stunt coordinator.

Speaker 2 He's been around. He's almost any big football movie you've ever seen, that's him.
But he's also done stunts, you know, for other shows like Deadwood. You know, this guy is very accomplished.

Speaker 2 And so that's why our football looked really good. And we had former D1 players who were the stunt doubles.
So Aldous Hodge, who played Voodoo Tatum,

Speaker 2 James Brown from the University of Texas was his stunt double, who led Texas to a Big 12 championship.

Speaker 2 Eric Smart, who started at free safety for Texas Tech, was Tim Riggin's main stunt double

Speaker 2 stunt double. And there's another guy that we called Wichita who was literally playing, you know, semi-pro football at the time.

Speaker 2 That was like his other stunt double because Riggins needed two stunt doubles, of course.

Speaker 1 But throughout the casting. The fullback position is gone now.

Speaker 1 Riggins was the last great fullback.

Speaker 2 He was the last great fullback. But the

Speaker 2 thing with the casting was,

Speaker 2 you know, he took chances on people who wanted to like leave their mark on the character. He didn't care as much about the athletics with the actors.

Speaker 2 So like when I went into audition for it, I ripped a different scene out of the script and went into the casting director, Stephen O'Neill, and said, hey, I think you have the wrong scene for Jason Street.

Speaker 2 And he said, what do you mean? And I said, you don't have the locker room where he says, I think everybody loves football.

Speaker 2 You know, the question, there's like a line from the show, do you think God loves football? And he says, I think everybody loves football. That line wasn't in the audition scene.

Speaker 2 Instead, they had like a kissy-kissy scene with

Speaker 2 Minka Kelly's character, Lila Garrity. And I was like, I think this is.
So. He goes, all right, let's put it on tape.

Speaker 2 And I think that's the real reason I even got to test for the show is because Pete was watching reel after reel and going, eh, same thing, same thing. Everybody's doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 He's like, wait, this kid's doing a different scene. What the hell is this? And they said, they looked at the notes and said, he thought you had the wrong scene for Jason Street.

Speaker 2 He's like, fly him out. So that's how I booked it.
Months later, two weeks before we start shooting, I get a phone call from Casey Hodenfeld. This guy is like...
He's been Michael Mann's first AD.

Speaker 2 I mean, this guy has done a lot of work in the industry. He calls me panicked.
Scott, I can't believe we've never asked you this, but holy shit, please tell me you can throw a football.

Speaker 1 Wow, I'm shocked that that took them that long to ask you that.

Speaker 2 And then it was cool because what we did before our actual pilot,

Speaker 2 and I'm glad they did it before the pilot and not the series, was they actually had a football camp with us. They brought us all down a couple of weeks early ahead of some of the other actors.

Speaker 2 So me, Gaius Charles, uh, you know, Zach Guilford, Taylor Kitch, we all came down early. They had the quarterbacks coach from Compton College to help teach myself and

Speaker 2 Zach

Speaker 2 how to throw. We went through quarterback drills, like all this stuff, but it was the coach from Compton College that led us through some of that stuff.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 And I'll never forget when he walked us into the locker room. I was doing an off-Broadway show at the time about a struggling Christian boy band.

Speaker 2 And I had blonde hair down across my forehead, looked like Justin Beaver. And he walked us all into the locker room to introduce us to the stunt players who had been working with Graf for a long time.

Speaker 2 And like I said, they were former D1 athletes, a lot of these guys. We walk in.

Speaker 1 These guys are huge.

Speaker 2 They're sweating. And, you know, they're doing two days learning all the stunt choreography.
And he walks us in, and I got an American Eagle shirt on with the super hair.

Speaker 2 And Coach Graf, he looks like Andy Reid. He's got the big walrus mustache, and he's like, These are the actors.

Speaker 2 And he looks at me, especially. And he goes, We're going to try and make them look like football players

Speaker 2 but we went out we did the thing you know man we we did it i got one of my throws is actually on camera the rest of it my stunt double big shout out to kevin reed he backed up don't take dante culpepper at university of central florida uh he was the guy that was my stunt guy he he is incredible like these guys are magicians with the ball i know you know like he could do all types of tricks all everything you ever needed a guy to do you know and and he was he was so money so he was my stunt double and then played a lot of the opposing quarterbacks throughout the series.

Speaker 2 But one of my throws did make it on the tape. So I was proud of what I did.

Speaker 1 Would you play in high school?

Speaker 1 And would you play?

Speaker 2 I was a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 Wide out? Yeah. I went to Lake Howell High School in Winter Park, Florida.
My grandfather retired from the Air Force. That's the whole reason I'm from Nebraska and he moved to Florida.

Speaker 2 Said, I don't want to spend another winter in snow, which I know you know how to, you're dealing with that now, Jerry. But

Speaker 1 that's the worst ever.

Speaker 2 But everybody followed him down there. So I went to high school and college in Florida and played football down there.

Speaker 2 So you know, outside of Texas, I'd say Friday night lights in Florida shine, you know, second brightest, you know, if not even brighter sometimes. So it was a cool environment.

Speaker 2 And then I was invited to walk on at the University of Central Florida in 1998. So.

Speaker 1 All right. Now it's time for defining moments brought to you by NHTSA.
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Speaker 1 As a football player, you probably were aware, were you aware of when you get this show? Because this show is, it's like Jerry, like Entourage.

Speaker 1 It's like just an iconic show and you guys had an iconic run. Were you aware of how big Texas football was?

Speaker 1 And then also when you got the job, you're like, and I know you're younger, but like, shit, like this could be something huge. Like, were you aware of that when you got that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, 100%. My mom is from Amarillo, Texas.
My grandma, her whole side of the family, they're all from Texas. You know, she got three brothers named William, which no one ever called them.

Speaker 2 William is Billy Bob, Dub, and Buster.

Speaker 1 And there you go. You know, it is,

Speaker 2 it is in my blood a little bit, especially on my mom's side of the family all the way down. So I really understood.
And being from Nebraska, I mean, it's the same thing.

Speaker 2 It's like the people don't understand that Lincoln Memorial Stadium

Speaker 2 on Saturdays is the third most populous area in the state of Nebraska. outside of the cities of Lincoln and Omaha.

Speaker 2 There is no city in Nebraska, or town, I should say, in Nebraska, that has a larger population than what Lincoln Memorial can hold. And it's full every week.

Speaker 1 And whether they're winning or losing, they're always

Speaker 2 since 1962, every sellout, right? We're like 490 or almost 500 sellouts, you know, but it's you bleed Husker Red. So I understood the concept of that.
What I wasn't completely aware of is just

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 2 these towns recycle this feeling, right? Because I was still young when I jumped into this show, but I had a feeling like this was going to be a different thing. But how,

Speaker 2 you know, people who never got out of the town reinvest themselves into these student athletes because they want to vicariously live out their dream.

Speaker 2 And that's what Pete did such a good job of showing. And I think that's why people love the show so much is because it's not just about the sport.
It's just not about the Friday nights.

Speaker 2 It is about Monday through. you know, Thursday.
It's about, you know, Saturday through Thursday.

Speaker 2 It's about all the other days when people are trying to live their life in this town that, you know, they wish they could get out of, right?

Speaker 2 And that's that's kind of what I wasn't completely up on, but Pete did such a good job. And Jason Katums and everybody else did such a good job of delivering.

Speaker 2 But yeah, man, for me, I was doing off-Broadway at the time. I auditioned for a big, big musical with Disney Theatricals.
Came down to me and one other guy to do Tarzan on Broadway.

Speaker 2 But it was my first year in New York. It was my first year with an agent, and I had never auditioned for television pilots, really.

Speaker 2 And we asked if we could get in the contract and out to go do television if I booked a job. And I ended up not getting Tarzan, but getting offered the lead understudy role.

Speaker 2 I was, you know, going to be in the ensemble. I'd be on the album.

Speaker 2 It was a pretty cool thing for, you know, for a kid from Nebraska to be, oh my God, I'm going to be on a Broadway stage and I will eventually play Tarzan. That would be pretty cool.

Speaker 1 That's sick.

Speaker 2 And the guy that sat me down from Disney Theatricals looked at me and said, why do you want to go do television in the first place?

Speaker 2 You're just going to be fourth fourth-handsome guy from the left on some WB show and have a, you know, that's going to be your career. We can teach you how to own a stage.
And I was like, uh, okay.

Speaker 2 So obviously doesn't understand. I got an athlete's mentality.
I'm like, you're telling me I'm just going to be like a four-stringer the rest of my life. That ain't going to work.

Speaker 2 So I went into pilacies. I started passing on scripts.
I was like, nope, I don't think this is the one. My agent calls me.
She's like, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 What do you

Speaker 1 think?

Speaker 1 This is before you ever even had a job, a role?

Speaker 2 Before I ever had a job.

Speaker 2 But I thought this was, you know, I don't know, you get a chip on your shoulder. So I was like, nope, nope, nope.
She's like, you don't pass it anything.

Speaker 2 Seventh script I ever got was Friday Night Lights. And the thing is, is I played, you know, I played with four future NFL players on my high school football team.

Speaker 2 I went and saw Friday Night Lights with two of them in the movie theater, the movie. I knew this was a special project.
And that's why I ripped scenes out.

Speaker 2 That's why I, you know, went and I ended up booking it. And it was like, kind of like a big middle finger to the Disney theatricals, big guys.

Speaker 2 I was like, this is, I'm not going to be fourth guy from the left. I'm going to have a career.
Like, you know, in spite of you guys. So I always say thank you.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine if you, if you would have just stuck with Tarzan and never would have done Friday Night Lights?

Speaker 2 Man, this life is crazy. I'm sure for you, Jerry, like being in this industry.
And I'm sure for you too, Matt, like, you know, athletics is. just as much about opportunity as anything too.

Speaker 2 Like, I know there are so many people out there infinitely more talented than I am that just didn't have the opportunity. That's why I look at it like, okay, I got the opportunity.

Speaker 2 I'm going to give it everything I got because I don't want to disrespect them, right? Like, I don't want to take this opportunity and not give it 100%.

Speaker 2 I don't want to take this opportunity and not put everything I have into it because I have friends back in Orlando that I performed with the theme parks that are just, they're more talented than me, but never had like the shot.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, in a weird way, you know, you do it for them too, you know? So that was, that, that's that's my story, how I got into the show and everything.

Speaker 2 That's how I approach work in this industry.

Speaker 1 Well, I think, and I'm with you, by the way, I think I only even attempt to maintain an acting career to keep my Knicks tickets. I think, like, I think that's my only real interest.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm kind of,

Speaker 1 you have the greatest flex. You have courtside Knicks tickets, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 It's just like, I really don't think I have any, not that, I mean, I'm sure I have interest, right, project, right, but like, I continually just always put, have some kind of meat on the grill.

Speaker 1 So then when I make that call like hey it's uh you know nicks warriors you got room they're like yeah come on out but what i love what you said we always try to find like the intersection of because i do i had this talk once with uh justin tuck at a knick's game right and he's asking me all these acting questions i'm like and i'm asking him all these nfl and and football questions and i think i finally found the relationship between athletes and actors I think what we have in common, nothing really physical, maybe you, Scott, because you played high school football.

Speaker 1 It's understanding the moment. An actor's job is really to understand the moment and what you're trying to convey.
And I think you can say the same thing about football.

Speaker 1 Matt, you played the position on the highest level. How many times are you in a situation where it's, it's, it's understanding the moment?

Speaker 1 Like, hey, we got to get this yard and a half or else it's not a first, like you got to under, or even end of game. Like, this is the play right now.
It's understanding the moment.

Speaker 1 And I think you, Scott, sounds like you understood the challenge.

Speaker 1 Like, it's almost like, you know, when you hear the stories about football players remembering everyone who passed on them in the draft, that's what Disney, that's what the music department at Disney did for you.

Speaker 1 Essentially, they were giving you that motivation. So, you know, what a defining moment.
Good for you. That's incredible.
I love that.

Speaker 2 It's, it's a blast to be able to look back.

Speaker 2 But I do, I do remember like days on set, like I remember a sequence of plays when I was playing.

Speaker 2 Like there are certain sequences of things that you'll never forget, but a lot of stuff we just flush, right? I think that's a similarity too.

Speaker 1 Like I just. Matt's going to to quiz you.
Oh, man. He did that to my segue, but go, but go ahead.
Keep going. You're talking about plays.
Yeah. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2 No, but it's just that it's that same kind of thing. Like, there are some games you just throw away, right? You got to have a short memory.

Speaker 2 There's some times I'm out there, I do something poor, and I'm just like, oh, man, I just got to forget that. You can't,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 2 We're neurotic. Actors can be neurotic, but you got to have a short memory, right? And that's what they always tell you.
Athletics, you just got to have a short memory.

Speaker 2 But then there's those special ones where you remember every single moment. Everything slows down.
You remember everything. And when it really hits, it hits, right? Like it's, it's just cool.

Speaker 2 That's that's something I've always thought about.

Speaker 1 So a couple weeks ago, and this hasn't aired yet, but we did. Jerry made me audition.
Okay. So I actually auditioned.
Yeah, he made me audition.

Speaker 1 Me, Connolly, and Dylan made him in front of his guys for draft day.

Speaker 1 I actually, well, I auditioned for draft day, actually.

Speaker 1 I really did. That was actually pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Clearly, I wasn't good enough. I didn't seize the moment.
But so you're talking about plays. So So, did you have to recite plays when you were doing Friday Night Lives?

Speaker 1 Like, did you have real plays or like whatever you like a huddle, right? You did? Yeah. And you obviously have a football background.
So, I pulled,

Speaker 1 I pulled,

Speaker 1 this is crazy. So, I pulled an old call sheet from Gary.

Speaker 1 It's hard to see with the light. Okay, so this is an old call sheet.
Okay. This is from the Houston Texans versus Baltimore Ravens divisional playoff, January 15th, 2012.
So, this is the run.

Speaker 1 That's Schaub? Is that Schaub? That's Matt Schaub. So we're,

Speaker 1 we lost this game. We're at Baltimore.
This is like 2012. So this is like Ed Reed.
Do you still have the one from 2012? Like that was in your fucking button. Well, okay.
So what I want to do is

Speaker 1 what I wanted to do. Well, no, this was like under the bed somewhere or some shit.
My wife is like, why do you still have that? Throw it out. I have it for moment for moments like this.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to read a play. And this is what they do to us in the draft.

Speaker 1 It's very similar to audition. So like when we go to the combine and there's a team that really wants you, and uh, Sean Payton did this with me with New Orleans.

Speaker 1 I think I met with uh maybe the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 I met with the New York Jets for hours when they came out and did actually like a private workout where they sit you in like a room and they just grill you on whatever, and then they make you they send you the whole, you know, the story, they send you the whole playbook before read it, and then they're gonna quiz it to you like a month later, right?

Speaker 1 Some people do, some people don't. Terrifying.
Um,

Speaker 1 so this is a call sheet. So, I'm gonna name, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say a play here.
This is out of base. This is a really easy one, dude.
This is like acting 101, football 101, okay?

Speaker 1 So I'm going to say the play. I want you guys to give it back.
I'm going to say the play, the read, and I want you guys to recite it back to me. I want Scott to go first, okay?

Speaker 1 Okay. Hug, near right, slot, two jet, X curl, halfback burst.
Hug, near right, slot, two jet, X curl, halfback burst.

Speaker 1 Halfback burst, your read is a curl, flat defender. The curls one, the flats to two.
Your Z is on a skinny post, single high man.

Speaker 1 Your halfback burst is your third. You're two jet, which means your fullback in this formation has the will lineback or no, has the Sam to the mic.

Speaker 1 Your offensive line has the four down sliding to the will. You're hot off the Sam mic.
That's hug near right slot, two jet. That's the question.

Speaker 1 I want you to recite that and get into it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 if I'm right,

Speaker 2 you're initially looking weak side. Your hot read's going to be right if your weak side linebacker is jumping the route, right?

Speaker 1 You said the Sam is your hot so hug, hug near right slot, hug near right slot, x curl, halfback burst halfback burst, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay, hug near right,

Speaker 1 two,

Speaker 2 x curl,

Speaker 1 fullback jet to two jet, two jet two jet. All right, I'm one of those who think that it's all too complicated, but I never played it's way too complicated.
So that sounds obnoxious to me.

Speaker 2 So, my question is, though, like, once you're in Kubi X system, do you start to, I mean, once you're in the system, right? Like, once you've been in the system,

Speaker 2 you start to understand the terminology a little bit, but they give it to you cold, like, and they just expect you to understand their terminology because what might be scissors for someone is obviously a different term for someone.

Speaker 1 Well, that's, that's the, that's what we always talk about.

Speaker 1 And you would know this, Scott, from a football, like when quarterbacks go to all these different, you know, have all these different coordinators, you're essentially, for the most part, learning a new system, a new terminology every single year, which is hard, man.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's, you know, it's like getting a movie script a day before and you're like, all of a sudden, hey, you need to know this in the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 And it's like, and you don't get like, you don't get do-overs. Like, you don't get retakes.
Like, you get one shot. You know what I mean? Like, you have to learn.

Speaker 1 So actually, funny story, when I went to Houston, it was with Schaub and Dan Orlofsky was there. And I got cut from Arizona.
I went to Houston like two days later, literally two days later.

Speaker 1 And I'm, you know, whatever. I'm learning, I'm meeting with my quarterback coach in the morning, learning this.
This is Kyle Shanahan's now system. The same a lot with these LaFleur, McVay.

Speaker 1 It's like this whole branch, right? This coaching branch. And the first game, I'm sitting there, and I didn't even dress up this game.

Speaker 1 I'm sitting there, and they told me, like, yeah, Kubiak quizzes the quarterbacks the night before the game on like the whole thing, the starter, like literally 150.

Speaker 1 But to your point, when you learn it once, it's like, it becomes like I could, I could recite that play a hundred times in my head and know exactly where I'm going with the ball once you're in it, like once you're practicing it.

Speaker 1 And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm nervous and I'm not even getting called on. And Kubiak actually called on me the first.
He's like, Leonard, let's see, like he was the best.

Speaker 1 He's like, see how fucking smart you are. I heard you're a pretty smart guy.
And I'm like, coach, like, so he gave me like, what are the new, like, four new screenplays in this week?

Speaker 1 And I'm like, and he was fucking with me. I didn't, I was like, coach, I got no fucking idea.
But it was like,

Speaker 1 I could imagine it was like being in like your first audition where you're like, probably nervous. You don't want to fuck it up.
You're like, don't call on me, whatever.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was, but to your point, Scott, it was like, it's basically

Speaker 1 you learn a new language, and then all of a sudden it's just become second nature. But when you go to a different one, you have to start all over again and all over again.

Speaker 1 And that was that's that's the challenging part.

Speaker 2 Hug near right.

Speaker 1 He's still thinking about curl.

Speaker 2 Wait, hug near right, slot, x curl, two jet. What did I miss?

Speaker 1 There's something to jet, x curl, x curl, two jet, half back burst, halfback burst.

Speaker 2 Two halfback bursts, hug near right, slot, two jet, x curl, slot.

Speaker 1 What hug near right slot. So

Speaker 1 you always do the formation first. Yes.
Hug is hug. Just tell hug, hug, slot.

Speaker 1 Basically, it tells the X and the Z they're hugging in the slot. So they're 100%.
Near right is fullback. That's Riggin's right to the tight end.
Hug, near right, slot. Two jet is the protection.

Speaker 1 And then you give the play concept, X curl. X curl essentially tells the Z he's got a skinny post.

Speaker 1 The Y is probably in that formation, he's probably got some type of crossover to the curl. He made me draw this, try to like, he drew, he made me try to draw it up on a board.

Speaker 2 I'd be better at, I'd be better at drawing it up because I have, I have an understanding of concepts, but you know, Matt, you're talking about like, you know, this, this would happen like the night before, you find a new team or whatever.

Speaker 2 But when you're doing television, especially network television, we are 100% getting scenes the night before that we've never seen before. They're coming out.

Speaker 2 You wake up and you go to bed having learned a scene. You wake up, you know, you say you go to bed at 10:30, 11:45 p.m.
while you're sleeping, new scene comes out, new pages.

Speaker 2 And one time I was doing a show called Scorpion for CBS, and they moved very fast. And

Speaker 2 it was a procedural in a way. It was, you know, it was national security geniuses who all were working together to save the world, basically.

Speaker 2 And I was playing a former Navy SEAL with a medical background who took shrapnel in his back and couldn't be a SEAL anymore. So he joins this team of geniuses.

Speaker 2 And we're doing a... episode set in Vietnam.
And they didn't realize they needed somebody to be able to translate to Vietnamese. I get a phone call at 4:45 p.m.
the day before we shoot the scene.

Speaker 2 Hey, Scott, we've got two and a half pages of Vietnamese we need you to learn tonight to do on camera tomorrow.

Speaker 1 So, Vietnamese, easy language.

Speaker 2 I got the first scene was about three-quarters of a page, right? Which is like maybe four lines. I got that one memorized.

Speaker 2 You know, they sent me the script and then they sent me somebody who, you know, was fluent in Vietnamese on a recording that i was just trying to listen to and just learned the audio cue but for the second scene i was like ah screw this i wrote it out phonetically and taped it to the dude's chest that i was working against and you had brando you had brando i went brando people oh people do that what a guy yeah i mean look what a party trick i've never heard that well i'm sure though but but i'm sure there are tricks in the huddle like if you get put into service and you're not fully up on something like if you're just joining a team or whatever right you kind of go rogue and be like hey we're doing this dude no, the what who goes rogue are the receivers that they mattered?

Speaker 1 What I got on that, Matt, just throw it up deep. I'm gonna go get it.
Throw it.

Speaker 1 Let

Speaker 1 Larry Fitzgerald used to do that, who I consider one of the best of all time. He'd be like, sometimes, like, hey, what do I got backside on that? Man, you got to come back.

Speaker 1 Hey, Matt, just throw it up here. Let's go get this.
Like, I, you know, sometimes it's good, Larry. Backyard football, man.
I'm like, I'm like, bro, okay.

Speaker 2 That's it, man. We all got to go.

Speaker 1 I love it, man. Yeah.
Hell yeah. That's wild.
I didn't know you guys read that off that.

Speaker 2 I mean, you asked me to learn another language in less than 10 hours. I'm going to have to do something.

Speaker 1 You know what else I love, Scott? We had, you know, every time we get our guest on, like Matt's wife asks, like, who's coming on this week? My wife, my sister-in-law, that.

Speaker 1 You for sure, so far to date of our 15 episodes have gotten the most reaction because. Matt's wife wanted to jump on because she loved

Speaker 1 her. My wife and sister-in-law are trying to get Ginny and Georgia information from me, which I'm like, I'm not going to ask him.
Number one, the show comes out this year. Did they announce the month?

Speaker 1 Is it March, April, or just sometime 2025 for Ginny and Georgia? I mean, we don't know yet.

Speaker 2 I keep hearing the words late spring, early summer.

Speaker 1 That's that's it's already picked up for season four, right?

Speaker 2 Yes, we got picked up after season two. It took them amazing.

Speaker 1 So, man, working for Netflix.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, working for Netflix is crazy, though, because everything is algorithm-based and they have the right schedule.

Speaker 2 So, usually, a show comes out, they look at at 28 days of data and decide if you're worth it, right? It is just, it's that quick. And, you know, that's, that's it.

Speaker 2 That's another thing that's like with sports now, like the analytics, like. It is the same in the film industry now.
It's not feel anymore. It's not like, oh, this dude's making art.
We love this.

Speaker 2 Let's support this. Or this guy, we know he's a player.
He can do this. No, it's analytics are driving everything.
So they look at their analytics

Speaker 2 for four weeks. That's it.
And then they're like, this show's going to be worth it or not. And then they either cancel you or they continue.

Speaker 2 But after the second season at Ginny and Georgia, we knew something was up because we didn't get a call four weeks later. They waited five months before they gave us a call.

Speaker 1 That's like old school HBO shit. That's what HBO used to do back in the day.

Speaker 2 Right. Because, and that's, but they took care with all their shows.
So we feel very fortunate. It felt like Netflix actually.

Speaker 2 put some thought and some care into us. And then that May, they announced that not only were we coming back for season three, we're also going to be coming back for a season season four.

Speaker 2 So it was cool to get the back-to-back pickup. It's a very rare thing these days.
So super honored. We shot season three this past summer into September.
So we, you know, we're wrapped.

Speaker 2 They're doing posts right now and editing and getting everything together. And our creator, Sarah Lampert, is just super hands-on with all that stuff.

Speaker 2 So she's taking her time, making sure that it's right for all the fans out there. And then, yeah, we'll go back next year to film season four.
So super excited about it.

Speaker 1 It's the closest thing that actors get to like guaranteed contracts because we get these five or seven year deals, but it's still every year is a contract year.

Speaker 1 So to get like, hey, your season three hasn't even dropped, but we're already, you're already greenlit for season four. That to me is the biggest vote of confidence.

Speaker 1 And I've never had that in my career. I've always sweated out every single pickup.

Speaker 1 We got throwbacks now, baby. We got throwbacks.
Yes, we got throwbacks. So I, so, well, going back to my wife really quick.

Speaker 1 So yesterday, I'm like, hey, babe, we got, uh, what's your favorite show of all time? No joke. She goes, Friday Night Lights.
I go, well, I, we have Scott coming on from it. And she goes, she goes,

Speaker 1 she goes, who? I go, Jason Street. And she goes, shut the fuck up.
And she literally, I swear to God, she literally stormed in the room. She goes, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 Cause she also loves like Kyle Chandler is like one of her favorite people. She was in our production meeting yesterday.
So she came in. She, I'm, I actually, I was missing a doctor.

Speaker 1 We're like eight months pregnant, so I was missing a doctor's appointment. Uh, and I wanted her to come in.
I wanted to embarrass the hell out of her, but she's not here.

Speaker 1 But she wanted me to tell you hello, and she's a big fan. Um, no, I'm like, I'm sitting here thinking because I was talking to Jerry.

Speaker 1 I'm like, okay, Friday Night Lights, obviously, Ginny and Georgia has been a hit, and congrats on getting picked up. And then you, you do a ton of voiceover work.
Oh, that's my favorite part of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, like, well, then it's like the Madden Colt Colt. Is it Colt Cruz, right? Remember, like, you're building up, like,

Speaker 1 and then Tarzan off Broadway, but almost Tarzan. You did the mass singer.
Like, dude, like, you're like, it's unbelievable the versatility and everything that you've done.

Speaker 1 If you, like, I know, obviously you love acting, but if you, like, there's so many different pots, it's like you have so many different talents. Like, is there

Speaker 1 something that you love to do the most, like, voiceover? Like, my, my wife did voice aver work. She was an actress.
Like, she loves that. Like, it's something

Speaker 1 Scott is in the game of the Marvel Rivals. It's the game right now.
I cannot wait to play it. It's the most, it's the game, everybody.
The game out right now. You have like an incredible resume, dude.

Speaker 1 It is incredible.

Speaker 2 Oh, thanks, man. No, you know, here's my thing is,

Speaker 2 you know, I think I spoke to it earlier a little bit, like the way I approach the business. I'm not sure how everybody does, but I didn't go to school for any of this, right? Like, I didn't go,

Speaker 2 I didn't, I didn't really go. to college.
Like I was, you know, I went to University of Central Florida for about a year and a half, and then I left and just started performing. And I was on stages.

Speaker 2 So I learned, you know, on stage traveling. I lived in Tokyo for a year, Mexico City for a year.
I opened up for Carrot Top for six months in Vegas beatboxing.

Speaker 2 Like, I've, I just, I learned very early, like, as versatile as you can be, like, you're always going to have a place somewhere in the industry.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 2 you know, not having any classical training means I wasn't coached up on how to approach everything like, you know, like a professional, quote unquote. So I was always just, you know, hustling.

Speaker 2 And I keep that hustle with me still to this day. So when other opportunities come up, I go.

Speaker 2 And the interesting thing is, is when I started in this business about 20 years ago, people told you you had to pick a lane. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You have to be a television actor or you have to try and be a film actor because filmmakers don't like television actors. They don't think you're going to be great for the film.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, you had to pick a lane. Now we got Meryl Streep on a half hour on Hulu.
You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 it's crazy now. So, multi-hyphen it is now the new thing.
I mean, we're doing a podcast right now. Like, this is awesome.
Like, to see Jerry Light, see him with you, Matt.

Speaker 2 Like, so I just have tried to stay as fluid and as open as possible and haven't been afraid to say yes for a long time. So, I've ended up, ended up doing a lot of different things.

Speaker 2 And that's the real, that's the really cool thing about the industry now is it accepts that. It used to not accept that, but now it does.
So, but what's your wife's name, Matt?

Speaker 2 I was just going to give her a shout out. I know she couldn't be here.
Oh, give her a shout-out.

Speaker 1 Please give her a shout-out,

Speaker 2 Josie Forever, Texas Forever. Congrats on the new little one.
Clear Assable Hearts can't lose 100%.

Speaker 2 I just want to give her a shout-out, man. That's that's so cool.

Speaker 1 Can you end this with beatboxing, please? Can we get a beat box? Where are you at? Everybody always asks for the beatbox. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, they do.

Speaker 2 So, I used to be in an a cappella group. They're called voice play.
You can find them online.

Speaker 2 I'm a big gamer. So, the last thing I did with them was the Halo theme song.
We did it all but just voices.

Speaker 1 So if anybody out there is wanting top three game of all time, it's my top three game of all time.

Speaker 2 Yo, I almost wore my Master Chief Ugly Christmas sweater today because I was like, it's decent. But because Jerry, because you're in Cleveland, I told you I know that town.
I love that town.

Speaker 2 I got the Great Lakes.

Speaker 1 Great Lakes, baby. Great Lakes Christmas sale.

Speaker 2 One of the greatest beers on earth, man. They release it in a limited quantity and like people bum rush places trying to get a Christmas sale.
You got it.

Speaker 2 If you don't get it by the beginning of November, you're too late, like, you'll never get any. So, my cousin always picks them up because he lives in Cleveland now, so he always

Speaker 1 got to meet up with him and drink some, yeah, man.

Speaker 2 But if anybody wants to check out some beatboxing a cappella stuff that I've been in, you go to YouTube, check out voice play, they are incredible.

Speaker 2 But, uh, but yeah, man, uh, I came up beatboxing on street corners.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 great.

Speaker 1 Everybody say bowl, bowl, boat. Damn, Porter.
There we go. Dude, are you kidding? That's the greatest.
I love how you golf forever. You just started talking.
You're like,

Speaker 2 yeah, man, I could do like

Speaker 2 electric guitar with my voice. That's how I got my start in the industry for maybe like a a winslow for a little while from police academy they got big shout out to him

Speaker 1 you know it was just it was a cool thing maybe we'll change our theme song to that that was

Speaker 1 all right true true last thing you're you're you're the voice of star-lord in model rivals the game i'm gonna binge like crazy but do you so you play do you main star lord do you actually play with your own character who you voice

Speaker 2 i do it was the first it was the first character i picked up um i've been a gamer for a very very long time the whole whole reason I'm a voiceover actor is because I would go to E3 and just, you know, get hands-on with people's games.

Speaker 2 And then I would just say the words, hey, I'm a fan of what you do. And then one time, one of the guys that was working was like, I'm a fan of what you do, Friday Night Lights.

Speaker 2 He's like, let's work together. And that's how I got my start in the industry.
And I've just, you know, I still, I audition for stuff like. Heimdall, God of War, that was an audition.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm, you know, I audition for games like I audition for film and TV stuff. But yeah, when rivals dropped, I was 100%

Speaker 2 in on Star Lord first. Now I've got, you know, because the way the game is built, you have to have multiple classes that you can play as so that you have a good team comp.

Speaker 2 So Star-Lord, Adam Warlock, and Magneto, those are the three that I kind of focused on. So those are the three I play with right now.
And I'll branch out and learn some other ones. But yeah,

Speaker 2 you'll catch me with some MVPs every now and then.

Speaker 1 Just had a big one last night, man.

Speaker 2 Just had a big one last night.

Speaker 1 I cannot wait to play it. You're the man, dude.
Yeah, Scott, thank you. You got to come back because there's about another, we need another hour at least.
But enjoy the holidays, man.

Speaker 2 Yo, I would love to come back, y'all.

Speaker 1 We got some of the things that we would love. Seriously,

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That was awesome. Thanks, Scott.
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Speaker 1 Matt, who do you have this week for your money moment? Well, it's only fitting to acknowledge our newest Heisman trophy winner and Travis Hunter, right?

Speaker 1 The last weekend, excuse me, last weekend was the Heisman ceremony. It was him and Ashton Genti and Dylan Gabriel, Cam Ward.

Speaker 1 By no surprise, Travis Hunter took home the award. Much deserving.
Ashton Genty, much deserving, great.

Speaker 1 I think the closest total since 2009 it was like a couple hundred votes which was crazy so um pretty great race there but um one just moment of him winning and him talking to his dad in the speech and that and i remember giving my like like it's just a moment there where you just have a chance to like reflect on um how you got there right and everybody has a different upbringing and been through different stuff in their life and like i just remember for me it was like my family my family my family and for travis to watch it and i got tear i think and like like, his dad wasn't there, but then you saw the videos come out this week, like his dad watching them.

Speaker 1 It's just really a powerful moment. And then on top of that, to make matters even better and to just say, like, if you didn't already like Travis Hunter,

Speaker 1 he comes out. I think Deion Sanders Jr.
was on the podcast this week, and he was talking about Travis Hunter and the fact that he takes no money from Colorado's NIL collective.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he has some deals, and I know he has a couple deals in there. He pays for NI deals for about 10 to 15 of his teammates.
Basically just takes care of his teammates.

Speaker 1 And it was also reported that he flew 50 plus staff and teammates to the Heisman ceremony last weekend in New York. It's just like, it's like he just gets it, man.

Speaker 1 Like he's not only one of the most talented athletes we've seen because I know you've seen him play basketball, but like he's just an incredible athlete. He's obviously a great human being.

Speaker 1 So shout out. That's my money moment.
He's an incredible human, incredible player. I cannot wait to watch him at the next level.
Yeah, that story really stuck out to me too. And I agree.

Speaker 1 That is definitely the cash out money moment of the week.

Speaker 1 I also want to point out how much if you're an NFL team, of course, it all comes down to the physical ability, but when you look at something like that, what he's doing with his NIL money.

Speaker 1 That's got to make you feel good about who you're just hiding as the person.

Speaker 1 A high character guy, right?

Speaker 1 You hear all the stories like draft process. You really vet players because you're going to invest millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 Quarterback, any position, history, background, family, how they were brought up, you know, how many friends they have.

Speaker 1 Like, we kind of, we joked about draft day of the movie a couple of times, but remember draft day, they really like, it was all about like, well, how come none of his teammates went to his 21st birthday party?

Speaker 1 Like, that was the whole plot of the movie. That was the whole plot.
But, but there is truth to that. People really want to know what type of person you are.

Speaker 1 And Travis Hunter is as good as it gets. And whether he plays both sides, he even came out this week, and said, I plan on playing both sides.
I'm not going to be shocked, dude, if the guy tries.

Speaker 1 Like, why not? Give him an opportunity. But he's a hell of a player.
He's an even better young man. And wherever he goes in the top five, that team is getting just a stand-up dude.

Speaker 1 I mean, wouldn't that be crazy, though, if it went Shador one, Travis two?

Speaker 1 It's possible. Like, how many times has that happen in the draft? How many times have we seen first and second picks from the same team? I don't know.
I'm sure there might be. There might be.

Speaker 1 I don't know if anybody's going to be able to do that. I was actually going to say,

Speaker 1 how about

Speaker 1 sidebar? Maybe your money moment could have been Shador Sanders throwing him a league neighbors. You saw that in the sense of New York.
I don't know. Are we manifesting it?

Speaker 1 I am not making that my money moment because

Speaker 1 I don't, for me, manifesting it is don't say it out loud.

Speaker 1 I have too much reverse jinx in me to manifest. Not in the same way.

Speaker 1 It was a good sign, but. He's going number one.
He's going number one. So

Speaker 1 whether that's new york or whether someone trades up or where he refuses to i can tell you what they the giants aren't winning the game the rest of the year so the raiders if the raiders want it the raiders are gonna have i'm pretty i'm pretty sure he's we're gonna see him in the silver and black but which would be cool but yeah i don't know andrew i don't know if you could see it have two teammates ever gone one and two in the nfl draft and if i'm just like blanking uh it might be fun so we'll get that for you hopefully before the end of the show but now it is time alabama maybe i don't know right all right now it is time for our throwback three which is basically motivated by having Scott Porter on the show today.

Speaker 1 So, Matt, we're going to go throwback three fictional quarterbacks. Not as many as you might think.
There is a good list. So I'm curious to hear some of yours.

Speaker 1 And my criteria might be a little different than yours.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I was looking this up and I'm like, there's some great ones. There's not a lot of depth to this.

Speaker 1 Unless you go real deep and you're like, eh, like for me, it didn't mean anything on some of these guys.

Speaker 1 This was actually a real person. so fictional or not, but whatever.
I'm going. I am going Ronnie Sunshine Bass.

Speaker 1 I'm not thrilled with this one. This one was tough because I had Willie Beaman and Jamie Foxx from any given Sunday.
He was great.

Speaker 1 Great movie.

Speaker 1 Remember the Titans, one of my favorite movies, one of my favorite sports movies of all time. I think it's iconic.
Obviously, we were talking about like the cast. You got Denzel as Herman Boone.

Speaker 1 You got a young Ryan Gosling getting torched outside and getting benched. But Ronnie Bass comes in from California.

Speaker 1 He has like the, you know, like the kind of like the kissing scene in the locker room where he's trying to like, there's a lot of racial tension back then in that era.

Speaker 1 And that was like the real story behind all that. And he's like this white kid with long blonde hair comes in and kind of kind of relieves some of that tension by doing that stuff.

Speaker 1 So pretty incredible history, Ronnie Bass, for that team.

Speaker 1 But he was also a great character in the show, man, in the movie. So I'm going with Ronnie Bass.
My greatest, my favorite tweet ever is written about that movie.

Speaker 1 I wish I knew who tweeted this because they deserve all the credit.

Speaker 1 But I think right after Ryan Gosling officially blew up to giant movie star status, someone tweeted, look, very happy for Ryan Gosling.

Speaker 1 He's awesome, but let's not forget for one second that he was an absolute lie.

Speaker 1 It's a great and remember the Titans. It's one of my favorite tweets of all time.
I stumble upon it from time to time and I laugh my ass off. That's a great one.

Speaker 1 My criteria, Matt, is a little different. I went for

Speaker 1 acting and also just who, to me, who looks like a quarterback? You're going to hate this because we actually don't really see much of his physical. The physical I saw looked good.

Speaker 1 I'm going varsity blues. I'm not going Johnny Moxon.
I'm going Lance Harbor.

Speaker 1 Paul Walker as Lance Harbor and varsity blues.

Speaker 1 Talk like when he comes out of the house, and I guess in Texas, they really do put your billboard and your picture outside your home with those blue eyes and that blonde hair.

Speaker 1 That dude to me looked like what you should make a movie quarterback look like. And I thought a really great performance.
And I think Varsity Blues is a sneaky, good football movie.

Speaker 1 So that's my number three, Lance Harbor. So that's perfect because that segues me in number two with Johnny Mox.
Johnny Mox. Okay, make the case.
And listen,

Speaker 1 life is all about opportunity. And Lance Harbor goes down in this show.
And Johnny Mox, the backup quarterback, who's kind of a nerd, all he does is read books on the sideline. He gets an opportunity.

Speaker 1 And by the way, we wouldn't have got the whipped cream bikini scene if it weren't for Lance Harbor going down. Great case.
Okay.

Speaker 1 One of the best iconic scenes in that era of movies when I was a young buck. Okay.
We love that scene.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 this is just off the field. Also, we're in the classroom and some of the greatest one-liners, when he's talking to his teacher, when he,

Speaker 1 they're talking about sex ed, by the way, his teacher's a stripper in that town. And he talks about

Speaker 1 getting an erection. You remember that? And he starts throwing all the names, the purple-headed yogurt slinger, pinching a tent.

Speaker 1 sporting a wood. And then he goes,

Speaker 1 my all-time personal favorite, Pedro.

Speaker 1 I think you made such a compelling case right there. That's why you're number one.
What a great. The whipped cream bikini, you just killed it.
You killed it.

Speaker 1 Well, I was saying, the whipped cream bikini doesn't happen without Johnny Mox.

Speaker 1 But then on the field, by the way, also, save Billy Bob's life. Save Wendell's life from getting a shot at the end when the old coach was trying to shoot up everybody.
And then goes on and wins to

Speaker 1 the, what is it, the hook and ladder when he does the

Speaker 1 ladder to Billy Bob. Tweeter.

Speaker 1 Tweeter, we used to call my shout out, Scotty Kahn, my boy. Scottie Khan.
That's a great, that's a great. We got to get great.
That's exciting. Oh, he'll come on.

Speaker 1 We always joke around like we should do some kind of skit turtle. My boy was a good character.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 My boy, my receiver, one of my college receivers, we used to call him Tweeter because he was just a short white receiver, kind of looked like Tweeter. What a great case for Moxon you just made.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Moxon. I mean, dude, Moxon, I think he ends up going to Brown.
He goes to Brown. He stays with his high school girlfriend.
He stays with his high school girlfriend.

Speaker 1 He could have been one. I'm proud of my number one, but Johnny Mox gets number two for me.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, my number two,

Speaker 1 it's steaming Willie Beaman.

Speaker 1 No, it's good. It's good.
And I even tried making the case for

Speaker 1 Dennis Quaid in that movie as Cat Rooney. He had the neck problems.
He wanted to play. He was a gamer.
Didn't quite do it.

Speaker 1 But just in terms of, again, who looks like a quarterback and kind of had all the, you know, he was making music videos, stuff like that. Like, he was a content creator as well.

Speaker 1 Willie Beaman was a content creator. He would fit perfect in this

Speaker 1 as well. It's just one of my favorite performances.
That famously, that fight scene with him and LL Cool J's character was actually a real fight.

Speaker 1 And I encourage anyone to, Jamie Fox's new Netflix special is tremendous. It's emotional.
He talks about everything with the stroke. It's really, really good.
So steaming, Willie Beaman.

Speaker 1 I like that one. He was honestly, he was my third with Ronnie Bass.

Speaker 1 But all right, I hope we don't have the first one here because i know you love this movie and you've already talked about a character in this movie named latimer

Speaker 1 but i'm i don't have it's not my number one all right good i'm going with joe cane from the program and i tell you what varsity blues uh blue chips uh the program that era of sports um actually

Speaker 1 Before we even get into this, you know what other sport movies came out that year of the program?

Speaker 1 The Sandlot. Oh, what a year.
Rudy and cool runnings.

Speaker 1 This is what the program went up against. And the program is one of the best football movies of all time.
Joe Kane, ripping darts, riding motorcycles.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is what I thought quarterbacks were like, wearing the leather jacket, picking up the hot chick in the back, driving her through, making her scared on the motorcycle.

Speaker 1 Heisman candidate, alcohol problem.

Speaker 1 Joe Kane is the movie is great. If you haven't seen the movie, go watch the movie.
It's awesome.

Speaker 1 Joe Kane is a stud in that movie. And then this is where it gets cool.

Speaker 1 So I was reading a deep dive on this, and I came across like this thread of all the actors and the director and basically talking about the casting and just like where they pulled players from.

Speaker 1 These were real players they were pulling from. Like, I think Joe Kane's character was based off a Penn State quarterback that backed up Carrie Collins at the time.

Speaker 1 It was like they pulled all these little stories from these people.

Speaker 1 So the director, I don't know his name, but the director was saying he originally wanted Johnny Depp to play Joe Cain because Johnny Depp, yeah, because Johnny Depp was on 21st jump or 21 Jump Street at that time, right?

Speaker 1 Which he was like this young charismatic, this was his quote. He's like, he was young, charismatic.
He was like, I think that kid is going to be a star.

Speaker 1 That's what he thought about Johnny Depp at the time.

Speaker 1 But he didn't, he obviously didn't get it. So Craig Scheffer is the name who played Joe Cain.
He's actor. He comes in and his audition, and this is what you like about actually looking the part.

Speaker 1 He said, he auditioned, he threw a football, I think on the lot. I think it's like the Disney lot or where they were.

Speaker 1 He said he threw the ball about 60 yards. And he's like, I just threw the ball because I could throw.
And the director's like, okay, I think we got him.

Speaker 1 And that's sort of like, that's what I read, sort of how Joe Cain became Joe Cain. And that's how he got the role, which I think was fascinating.

Speaker 1 So Joe Kane's my number one, man, like all-time movie, all-time character. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 I didn't put him in just because

Speaker 1 I love that movie so much, but let me just say, after that awesome reporting by you right there, we are all robbed from watching Johnny Depp throw a football on screen.

Speaker 1 We are robbed of seeing, because I love Johnny Depp's performances. There is no words.
By the way, he's a big Dolphins fan. Really big Dolphins fan.
Really? Yeah, I

Speaker 1 know him a little bit. I've never heard Johnny Depp speak about sports in any capacity ever.
He's never played any kind of an athlete ever.

Speaker 1 And I'm probably wrong. I bet you he could throw a football, but I would bet money that I could throw a football farther than Johnny Depp.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 He's number one.

Speaker 1 I think I have a guess. Go ahead.
Guess it. Well, I don't want to guess it.

Speaker 1 I want to hear some funny, honorable mentions. Okay.
Yeah, let's see. I love, again, looking the part, Jerry O'Connell as Cush and Jerry Maguire.
Steaky good. Never saw him do anything athletic.

Speaker 1 Just didn't see it. I thought that was a really, really cool one.
I almost gave love to the program for Tim. He could go all the wayman.
That dude played. That must have been a real quarterback.

Speaker 1 He looked like he, and also Johnny Utah in point break. Keanu Reeves.
Utah. Give me two.
One of the most famous lines ever.

Speaker 1 Was a quarterback, but my number one is in fact Keanu Reeves in the replacements. Shane.
Shane Baldo. He just looks like a quarterback.
I just just look at it, I buy it all.

Speaker 1 The movie, the movie is, I think, good, not great, but I think it's aged well. Good performance from Gene Hackman, John Farvo, really funny as well.

Speaker 1 I'm going to re-watch it because I haven't rewatched it. By the way, I love the cheerleader.
She was super hot in that movie. Brooke Langdon, I believe.

Speaker 1 So I just, if you're giving me a guy, and I think, wasn't he lefty? Was it Keanu Lefty? He's lefty. He looked, he was good in that.
He's just by the way, Scott Mitchell or something.

Speaker 1 Steve Young. That was like his double, probably.
probably.

Speaker 1 How about, do you remember the movie Lucas?

Speaker 1 Charlie Sheen?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Charlie Sheen played the quarterback in Lucas, I think.

Speaker 1 Am I wrong on that? I think it's a good thing. No, I could be right.
Vince Mitchell was the quarterback and Rudy. And Rudy.
I know.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 the other one, Brendan Fraser and school ties. Brendan Fraser and school ties.
I thought you were going to go.

Speaker 1 It's kind of unoriginal, but Paul Crew in the longest yard. See,

Speaker 1 I loved Adam Sam.

Speaker 1 Yeah. but you could have also done like all of the movies with Burt Reynolds.
Um, and then you got, uh,

Speaker 1 I love the longest yard with Adam Sandler. I thought that was a great movie.
No, I'm standing by, but please get like Shea Falco is great. Hit us on socials at throwbacks.

Speaker 1 Subscribe to us on YouTube, too. But also, give us a throwback three.
Who did we miss? Make the case, most importantly, make the case. Matt, I thought you laid out one of the best cases for Moxin.

Speaker 1 And also, quick update from our amazing producer, Andrew Gunling.

Speaker 1 The last one in two picks to go in the same draft, most recent was number one, Courtney Brown, and number two, LeVar Arrington from Penn State.

Speaker 1 And then I think you go all the way back to 1967, Bubba Smith and Clint Jones, Michigan State. So

Speaker 1 I don't know if we'll see it. It's in play, that's for sure.
So enjoy the weekend, Matt. Enjoy one of the greatest trips known to man.

Speaker 1 See you Saturday. Maybe I'll see you Saturday.

Speaker 1 What a trip. Come on, bro.
What a

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