Johnny Manziel Talks Heisman, NIL + Juan Soto's MEGADEAL w/ Mets & it's Almost Christmas!

Speaker 1 is more backyard football that goes on a little bit than people realize.

Speaker 2 I know when I got in for my first time in an NFL game, we were playing in Buffalo. And we get under and I called the receivers' routes one way, but I rolled the wrong way pretty much.

Speaker 2 So I rolled to nobody. So as I figured to the right, and I just, Kyle Shanahan just motherfucked me to the moon.

Speaker 3 All right, welcome to the show, everybody.

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Speaker 3 That's money, that's Cash App. That's all the wonderful things I'm going to be doing this Christmas, which I've been doing, which is just

Speaker 3 money going out, not much coming in. It's going good.
It's going good.

Speaker 3 I mean, you know, full commit to Elf on the Shelf. We're winding down there.
Kids are happy. I'm just ready now.
I'm ready.

Speaker 1 Like, let's, let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's play.

Speaker 1 By the way, you're winning the award for Elf on the Shelf. There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 I saw a lane.

Speaker 1 I feel like I've been sending you just, every time I see Elf on the Shelf, now I just send it to you.

Speaker 3 Great idea. It's kind of my thing now.
I've been walking in the streets, people shouting at me, love the elf on the shelf stuff. So look, Matt, when I see a lane, I take it.
I saw a lane.

Speaker 3 No one was killing it in that lane.

Speaker 1 By the way, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Josie stepped up her game. Josie stepped up her game.

Speaker 1 I still think it's funny that you have been tasked with Elf in the Shelf in your house.

Speaker 1 I don't know why. It's a Jedi mind trick.

Speaker 3 It was Brie starting it early and then just I got to go to bed and disappearing on me.

Speaker 1 I'm gearing up for

Speaker 1 a 130-person Christmas party this weekend at my house. How does that sound? Does that sound fantastic? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Listen, you're talking to a guy who intentionally had his wedding in the most least desirable place to discourage people from coming. That's exactly what I did.

Speaker 1 Where'd you get married?

Speaker 3 Canton, Ohio.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. Near the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 Hey, come to the wedding. You could stop at the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 What time of the year did you get married?

Speaker 3 It was summer, but still, I was trying. So I'm like, my friends in L.A.

Speaker 1 won't come.

Speaker 3 And they all came.

Speaker 1 Wait, you got married in Canton, Ohio? I got married in Canton. I'm a hall.

Speaker 1 I'm in the hall. Oh, that's constantly.

Speaker 1 How far is Canton from Cleveland?

Speaker 3 It's like 30 minutes, 35 minutes.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you're

Speaker 1 still for Breeze family.

Speaker 3 I saw an opportunity and I took it.

Speaker 3 We have a really good show for you today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do.

Speaker 3 We are going to give you our interview. We sat down not long ago with former Heisman Trophy winner.
So there's been two now, Matt and now Johnny, Johnny Manzel.

Speaker 1 He might be the most... He was so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 I mean, name a more polarizing Heisman Trophy winner or football player than Johnny Manzel. And again,

Speaker 1 yeah, he talks about the path and journey and all that. And obviously that's, that's, it's, he has such a, such a unique story, but is there more of a

Speaker 1 polarizing athlete?

Speaker 3 No, as we go into this weekend, and we'll talk more about it in a bit, uh, what that weekend is like.

Speaker 3 And we talk about it in the interview too, you know, you realize Johnny Manzel was a comet, you know, just out of nowhere, lit up the sky, shot past us quickly, but man, were we all watching?

Speaker 1 Dude, he was incredible.

Speaker 1 I remember watching the Bama game and I was like, who is this kid? And who is this guy? The money, the money sign. He, dude, he was just, he was special, man.
He was special. And

Speaker 1 yeah, the conversation is great because

Speaker 1 as we've talked about so much on this, on this show, just quarterbacks and situations and all that.

Speaker 1 And again, he, he's, he, you know, he's, he talks about all of the stuff, his regrets, the stuff he did, you know, that he didn't do, but, you know, talking about about different offensive systems with them and what works and all that.

Speaker 1 It's like, I just, I just think maybe

Speaker 1 him in another place or something, maybe it would have been different. And again, I think about that with myself all the time as well, too.
But Johnny's the best man. He's a great dude.

Speaker 1 He's, he's, uh, he's doing well. And

Speaker 3 his pod's awesome. His podcast.

Speaker 1 I was on his pod earlier.

Speaker 1 It's great. He's, he's a great dude, man.
I'm excited for people to do.

Speaker 3 And that's when I realized, too, that you two will now, and I don't know if you've had this with other heisman winners but wherever you guys go you guys have this bond you know you guys won this prestigious award one of not many

Speaker 1 and i think i saw it firsthand the two of you could speak a language that only a handful of people could speak so that's pretty cool so that was the third time i've ever met johnny when he came on our pod if you think about that the first time i ever met him because our because our past didn't cross in the league because i was out when he came in the first time I met him was the year Caleb won the Heisman, what, three years ago?

Speaker 1 Four years ago.

Speaker 1 And I went back because obviously SC and Johnny was there.

Speaker 1 And in that time, all the Heismans get on a bus and you go to these events and all that. And I sat right behind him or right in front of him, one or the other.

Speaker 1 And that was like the first real time I met him. Again, but to your point, it's like, what's up, bro?

Speaker 1 Like, it doesn't, like, it's, it's such a bond that you don't even need to know each other to know each other. And we were talking and that was it.
And And that was the first time.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, you know, it was like, hey, big fan, love watching you play. And then you just shoot the shit.
And then obviously I did his podcast earlier this year. And then he came on ours.

Speaker 1 But great guy, man. Great guy.
Great dude.

Speaker 3 Well, that will roll that in a minute. And again, that was in our LA studio when we were in L.A.
week. And then also throwback three.
We were debating a few. We'll do it later in the show.

Speaker 3 We were going to maybe do Christmas movies, but then it hit me like, everyone, we've done the,

Speaker 3 we know essentially what's the only

Speaker 1 six

Speaker 1 all-time Christmas and I believe me I've been watching them.

Speaker 1 Give me a quick 20-second Christmas movie list. See if you have the same line.

Speaker 3 Christmas vacation is number one.

Speaker 1 That's not even close.

Speaker 3 I do go pretty hard for Home Alone, although we try to watch it with our five-year-old. The first 20 minutes you cannot show to a five-year-old.
They're so mean to Kevin.

Speaker 1 And then Kevin is so mean.

Speaker 1 Our boyfriend

Speaker 3 Kevin tells his mom, I hope I never see you again for the rest of my life. I hate all of you.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 3 For a five-year-old to hear another kid tell his mother, like, I hate all of you. I can't wait to never see you again.
My five-year-old looked at me like, that's not cool, right?

Speaker 1 Like, no, buddy, that's not cool.

Speaker 1 So, so I was, so we were originally going to do movies. I looked up Christmas Vacation because I haven't seen

Speaker 1 it in so long, but it's so good.

Speaker 1 And the only thing that sticks out in my mind is the pool scene where Chevy Chase is visualizing the girl in the red. That was like my first like initiation to be like,

Speaker 1 like, why am I feeling this way? This is kind of interesting. That was your first? Wow.
I don't know. Dude, it was like, I was like, is the season? Yeah.
Like, think about it.

Speaker 1 That movie came out, what, in the 80s? Like, oh, yeah, you were. Yeah.
So I was, I mean, I was, when I was allowed to watch it, I was probably 10, 11. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 But I actually re, I, I YouTubed it and I re-watched it and I was dying laughing because then the little girl comes in and it's like, Santa Claus? I don't know.

Speaker 1 So Home Alone, by the way, my kids loved it.

Speaker 1 It was a little bit harder, but they loved it when they started doing all the fun stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, once you get to the third act and all that stuff's happening.

Speaker 1 And then anyways, we don't, yeah, I think everyone has kind of the same topic.

Speaker 3 Last thing, I'm going to piss people off right here.

Speaker 3 I was always a big proponent of Die Hard as a Christmas movie, but it occurred to me the other day, you know what I never watch over Christmas break? Fucking die hard.

Speaker 1 So maybe it's not a Christmas movie. I never reached to be like, hey, all right.

Speaker 3 Well, there's the big debate is always a die hard, a Christmas movie.

Speaker 1 But why is it? why is it? Because it came out during.

Speaker 3 Well, in the movie when Bruce Willis is flying,

Speaker 3 it's a Christmas party in the office in Nakatomi Plaza. Right.
Now I have a machine gun. Ho, ho, ho.

Speaker 1 One of the greatest debates in the history of our country is whether Die Hard gets a lot of letters.

Speaker 3 I will say, the first time ever I used to ride Hard for Die Hard, now I'm like, I don't ever watch Die Hard on Christmas ever.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen Die Hard in 30 years.

Speaker 3 Well, watch it over the break. You know who else Christmas came for? You know who else Christmas came for? Juan Juan Soto is having a very strong holiday season.

Speaker 1 I already told my kids that they're playing baseball.

Speaker 3 What's it? Now, seeing all this, Matt, would you, if you could go, if you could be the ghost of Christmas past and go back and whisper to whatever eight, nine, 10-year-old Matt, say, buddy.

Speaker 1 Jerry, I was the fucking ball down. I was pitching in the bigs, dude.
I was pitching in the bigs until I tore my shoulder up. It was my first.
It was my first pass. Is that true? Were you on a pass?

Speaker 1 Sure. Oh, yeah.
I was a dude. I was 6'4, 220 pounds, and just throwing gas before

Speaker 1 high school. School, junior pitcher.
You want to hear a great story real quick? So I'm pitching.

Speaker 1 I was baseball number one. Football was three.
Basketball was two. So I'm very lucky.

Speaker 1 You know, as we've talked a lot, I consider myself a good athlete. Okay.
You're a great athlete. Baseball was my number one.
I was a big pitcher. I threw hard.

Speaker 1 I was clocked at like 86 going into high school. Summer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I'm telling you. And then

Speaker 1 that summer, I was pitching on varsity at Modern Day High School. And one of my last games, I'm going up against

Speaker 1 La Quinta. At this time, they were the number one team in the country going in.
They had Gerald Laird and they had Bobby Crosby. Bobby Crosby was the shortstop for the A's, rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 Gerald Laird was a catcher, caught for like the Tigers, caught for a long time in the Bigs.

Speaker 1 I was pitching without our best catcher.

Speaker 1 So I had like the backup catcher, like the, you know the best catcher obviously made me feel good whatever i got shelled for eight runs in the first inning dude yeah i was welcome to the welcome to high school i was 14.

Speaker 1 no by the way i was good but they but they just rock that whole lineup was like number one team they yeah they they rock me so that was one of the last times that i've ever pitched and then i hurt my shoulder that summer just baseball related how'd you hurt the shoulder base baseball i just tore my labrum and my rotator cuff all that being said i ended up playing football is fine baseball lives is in my dna it was not in my older son's DNA, but I swear to God, it's in my it's gonna be in your younger kids' DNA.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 I got half Cubans dude that I'm raising now. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of DA, there's a lot of baseball in that DNA.
Now, are they worth $370 million?

Speaker 3 I don't know, but if I can invest in your kids' baseball careers like a stock, I would go big in. It's like, liner boys, get in early.

Speaker 1 They're going to pants. They're half Cuban.

Speaker 1 They got something. So what? Hey, listen, you might be raising some little Jose Altuves.
Altuve's.

Speaker 3 I love that. My kid's ceiling is Jose Altuve, and yours is probably

Speaker 1 Juan Soto. Jose Altuve is a dog.

Speaker 1 No, my son needs to work on his swing if he wants to be Juan Soto.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty wild, though.

Speaker 3 What did you think when you, first of all, the numbers with Juan Soto, we don't have to recap it. We all know what they are, and I get lost in it.
Let's just call it a shit ton of money.

Speaker 3 I had a feeling in the back back of my mind that it was going this way and the Mets were going to be heard. And I think something that allows this to happen was the Mets' great run.

Speaker 3 They went on that great run. They even took the Dodgers further than the Yankees did, right? They went six games with the Dodgers, I believe.

Speaker 3 So that opens up the, hey, we're closer than maybe we all even thought we were. And let's go all in on this guy.

Speaker 3 Some of the stories that are coming out about, oh, Yankee security wouldn't let Soto's father and driver and they wouldn't give him a sweet, all that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. That's fun to hear, like as backstory.

Speaker 3 Bottom line, I think Juan Soto got, wanted the more money, and I think he thinks the Mets have a better chance of winning for a longer period of time. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 Do you think that? Do you really think that? I don't know, man. Well, I was reading some art.
I was reading just some behind-the-scenes stuff. And apparently,

Speaker 1 some managers who sat with Soto basically said, this kid is super dialed in. Like, he's very smart.
So to your point, like I think he understands the landscape.

Speaker 1 Obviously, these guys want to get paid, but like what the Yankees offered him $5 million less a year or something like that. It was some crazy.
He's still

Speaker 1 $700 million, whatever. But

Speaker 1 yeah, I think, I think, like, look, I think when you're, when you're, when you're that young, like, you want to go win. You want to go.

Speaker 1 I don't know, but I just feel like the Yankees, like, is the Yankees run over? Like, if he resells, I mean, that team is still absolutely loaded. Now, obviously, you went and you got max freed.

Speaker 1 Now, you probably wouldn't have got max freed if you would have retained Juan Soto, right? I mean, so

Speaker 1 I don't know, man, but the Mets, I mean, Alonzo, you got what, Lindor? I mean, the obvious thing.

Speaker 3 That's the real thing. It's the Lindor, Soto, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Batman, who's Robin, whatever. They can alternate.

Speaker 3 And also, you got to think.

Speaker 3 Once the Nationally gets the DH, if that doesn't happen, a deal like this probably doesn't happen because you got to think that as much as we love Juan Soto offensively, defensively, he's on the fast track to being a DH, you would think.

Speaker 1 This made me, this, so this made me think of,

Speaker 1 well, what?

Speaker 1 So I read this quote from the Padres. One of the guys on the, I don't know if you saw this quote, Mike Schilt, he's on the Padre staff.
He coached Juan Soto there.

Speaker 1 He was talking about the amount of money, right? He goes, to her credit, Judge Judy was making $47 million a year. Judge Judy.
And I think, I so.

Speaker 1 So it was some quote basically saying like, how much money he's making a year and

Speaker 1 who else in this country? I actually looked at it like, who makes $50 plus million dollars a year? There's 205 people in this country that make over 50 million a year. That's it.
He's one of them.

Speaker 1 Think about that. What, what, what sport, what, to me, I just, I can't, I don't know, man.
Just like all of this money being thrown around, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 It made me think of like, which position deserves to make the most money. And it's definitely in all of sports.
I came up with two.

Speaker 3 It has to be quarterback, obviously, right?

Speaker 1 One is quarterback by far and away.

Speaker 3 What's your number two? Because that's what I'm curious about. I think everybody would say quarterback.
What would you put number two? Because

Speaker 1 I have a pitch.

Speaker 1 My number two,

Speaker 1 and I went for what is most important every day.

Speaker 1 impacts a game every day. I put a hockey goalie.

Speaker 1 Why do you laugh? Think about it.

Speaker 3 I laugh. You're right.

Speaker 1 What's a more important position in hockey? Not goalie.

Speaker 1 Right. You have a good point.

Speaker 3 That's a good point.

Speaker 1 I, this is like. I need to be maybe point guard in the NBA, which is not anymore.

Speaker 3 Well, that's why I'm going to cheat with mine because

Speaker 3 it's not necessarily, it's not a position. But I just think that when you know you have your NBA Super Max player, that justifies it, whether it was LeBron in his prime, Curry in his prime,

Speaker 3 because not only are you getting a guy who will keep you competitive for all those years, it's just box office.

Speaker 3 If you think about the business side of things, which is what I thought was so freaking smart of Cohen and the Mets to drop their season tickets

Speaker 1 right around this time. Otani was the one who was.

Speaker 1 He's worth every penny he's getting.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 3 I think the smart thing too, if you just look at it, oh, that's so much money. What if he did?

Speaker 3 Because the other things I want to quickly touch on is I talk to a lot of Met fans, and I had this conversation while Andrew Claudio does a lot of stuff with Nick's Film School.

Speaker 3 He produces a lot of podcasts, great dude. He's a lifelong Mets fan.

Speaker 1 I said, Okay,

Speaker 3 what for the Met fans will ever make this contract something he could live up to? And he said, Look, I think he's younger than me. I think he's in his 30s.
I'm not quite sure.

Speaker 3 He said, All I could say is to this point, my the Mets have two World Series appearances, one World Series win when he was probably a baby.

Speaker 3 If you could better just what I've witnessed for the last 30 years, then it's a win. Meaning, if you win this World Series and maybe make one or two more, contract is great.

Speaker 1 That's all they care.

Speaker 3 That's all it took for him.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to think, there's no real way. I guess to live up to that contract, it's got to be multiple World Series.
But I don't know if the Mets fans are thinking that way. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think they're just like, get us there.

Speaker 1 Get us there. We don't care.
I mean, do the Mets fans really care how much money was spent? They just got the top, they got a a top five player in the league. Well, that's great.

Speaker 1 Jon Soto is a great player. Yeah.
It's like, they just, they, I think they just want to, they just want to win or have a shot.

Speaker 1 Like this year, obviously, I think they overachieved, but, you know, now they get a superstar in Juan Soto who.

Speaker 1 He is box office, man. He is.
Like, he, he, he is. He's for sure.
He's got a little, he's got that personality. He's got that juice.
He's, he's got a little bit of swag.

Speaker 1 And he, dude, he's like, you pay, you pay a ticket to go see him play.

Speaker 3 So there's a lot of Yankee fans this week

Speaker 3 who are going to be talking themselves into that's a bad contract. And yes, he's a great hitter.
Defense is poor. I was even doing it.
But make no mistake about it. Go back to that Guardian series.

Speaker 1 That home run he hit.

Speaker 3 That's what you're paying top dollar for in the biggest moment. Because not only was it the home run in that moment, but it was the way he slammed the bat down.
He looked at his bench.

Speaker 3 The bench was galvanized. He galvanized that whole Yankees team.
So Yankee fans like myself, we could talk ourselves into what a bad contract that is or maybe it will be a bad contract.

Speaker 1 They don't care.

Speaker 3 And second thing, Matt, if we were going to do a draft of sports owners, who would the best sports owner? Steve Cohen might have just jumped to the top. I mean, Balmer is pretty great.

Speaker 3 Balmer will spend whatever, and he's got the new building. You could have said Bob Kraft at one point, one point years ago, you could have said Jerry Jones.
That's no longer the case.

Speaker 1 Bomber, Balmer by far is the, because he's like, he's just, just, he's all in, you think, you know, like, right, but I think Cohen is now too.

Speaker 3 They, they kind of laid patiently waiting to strike, and they, this was their, this was their big thing. So that's a little

Speaker 3 bit. The other part of this that I think is fantastic, and again, Yankee fans can't maybe get themselves there.
We talk a lot on this show, especially over the last few weeks about.

Speaker 3 Pro sports rivalries are dying on the vine. And college might be the only thing we have left, particularly that Ohio State, Michigan rivalry.
This breathes new life into that.

Speaker 3 It was always a little bit of a rival. Yankee fans never viewed it.
Like you hear Jeter in the documentary says, I mean, it's the Mets.

Speaker 3 You no longer can say it's the Mets.

Speaker 1 It's that. And also, like, even Dodgers, Padres is now becoming an incredible, like, postseason, which, by the way, it used to be Dodgers, Giants.
Giants have fallen off.

Speaker 1 Padres now, like Dodgers, like that is a real rivalry.

Speaker 3 Like, like that's and that's like a competitive respect like shit they're like that's a really good team that can knock us off rivalry yeah it's it's could you imagine at in some series in july when we're all watching baseball but we're all waiting for the if it's yankees mets out in city field or the bronx and

Speaker 3 Max Freed throws at Juan Soto or something, right? A little bow tie, like Roger Clemens used to say. And maybe the benches start chirping at each other.
I think that's so good.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 these pitchers, I was going to say, do these pitchers have that, though, now? I don't know. It's a little different.
That's my point.

Speaker 3 Baseball, lean into this. Go heel.

Speaker 1 Lean into the lights. Lean into it.

Speaker 1 Baumgartner had that shit.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I hate the giants, but I love that dude.

Speaker 3 And I'm sorry, it would have been way worse if Wan Soto went to the Red Sox. It's such an obvious thing.
I never had nearly as much Mets hatred as I do for the Red Sox.

Speaker 3 And also, they're in your division. So there's a chance that Juan Soto could knock you out of the playoffs before you even get there if he's with the Red Sox.

Speaker 3 And luckily, I don't even think they were really contenders.

Speaker 1 So, well, I think

Speaker 1 the moral of the story is we raise our kids to be baseball players, nothing else. Well, you for sure.
For a baseball player,

Speaker 3 yeah. You definitely.
Me,

Speaker 3 not so.

Speaker 1 We'll see how it goes.

Speaker 3 So now it's time for our Wendy's. Let me, you know, I was thirsty after that rant.
Our Wendy's can't get enough sauce moment of the week. Brought to you by Wendy's.
Thank you very much. Matt,

Speaker 3 I have an interesting one for us this week.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 It's, it's, it is a saucy moment because you just don't see it all the time. It's Brandon Graham.
Okay. Do you know what Brandon Graham did this week?

Speaker 1 Honestly, when I first heard what he did, when I first heard it, I was like, this can't be real. Like, he spilled a little.
Did you see your quote? Is this real?

Speaker 3 He spilled a little sauce. He basically commented on AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts.
He said, the person that's complaining needs to be accountable.

Speaker 3 Graham said, I don't know the whole story, but I know that her, I think he was using players' numbers. Hurts is trying, and Brown could be a little better with how he responds to things.

Speaker 3 They were friends before this, but things have changed. And I understand that because life happens in the business side.
What is Brandon Graham doing? I love it because we get to talk about it.

Speaker 3 But Matt, isn't that like

Speaker 3 training 101? You don't say something like that out there.

Speaker 1 Media training 101. Do not throw your teammates under the bus, especially your two-star players, dude.
Like, when I heard this, I was like, and I, and I, Brandon Graham's a great dude.

Speaker 1 Like, this isn't like, that's why, like, he's very buttoned up. He's like respected.
Like, he just, this isn't something that he would normally say or ever. And I think he actually walked it back.

Speaker 1 Like, he kind of backtracked in a quote later, like, oh, no, like, obviously, because he knew what he did. But

Speaker 1 the problem,

Speaker 1 it's just like, this is just one,

Speaker 1 there's already enough pressure on Eagles having a great year, but there's already enough pressure on the Eagles to win in the expectation, right? They're having a tremendous year.

Speaker 1 They're not throwing the football well. Jalen Hurts isn't having a great year with that.
They have Saquon, who's kind of taking, like, there's a lot of good happening, right?

Speaker 1 They're not throwing the football well, but this is what happens when you have a Diva-esque receiver who wants the ball.

Speaker 1 It just is, who wants the ball, who's a little upset that they're not getting the ball.

Speaker 1 You got a quarterback who's been, who's, who's very talented, but been up and down really in the passing game ever since he entered the NFL.

Speaker 1 And now you're just you're putting more

Speaker 1 you're just stoking the fire and what this does it just brings like like i've been in locker rooms where you got a problem with someone right you just handle it in the locker room anything if you've been on a set you handle it you're you're or you're professional you go about doing your job when you start to say this out in the public and people like us talk and all that it's like this is all they're going to answer now there's going to be so many damn distractions around this football team between their star player their quarterback and their star wide receiver with what three or four weeks left before the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And now it's like we got a force fee. I'm just telling you, like there's a long laundry list of things that can go wrong now that this, that the laundry is aired.

Speaker 3 Any chance that he's parent-trapping them and this was intentional to sort of get them talking?

Speaker 3 Because it's a vet move. You can only do this if you're a vet.
I don't know. And he is a vet.
He's a great vet. He's an awesome Eagle.
I think the fact that it is him is

Speaker 1 a good thing. I don't know.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm making it saucy because he actually said the thing when we get only trained answers that don't ever say much and nothing to go off of.

Speaker 3 He actually gave a quote in a moment that's happening in real time that we will now watch play out. So, Brandon Graham, you are our saucy moment of the week brought to you by Wendy's.
Thank you, sir.

Speaker 3 We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Ballsy.

Speaker 1 Ballsy.

Speaker 3 All right. Now it's time for something new that we're going to do, which I'm very excited about.

Speaker 3 It's our defining moments brought to you by the National Highway traffic association mitzvah and this is going to be something where look it's going to be defining moments sometimes from our careers sometimes from life this is a big weekend coming up as we know so i ask you matt linert what is your defining moment yeah i think i think because of the heisman coming up this weekend and just what that meant, that's probably a defining moment for me in my career.

Speaker 1 Sure. And when this was the first thing that was said to me, and I might have told you this in the past, the minute you win the Heisman Trophy, everyone there says your life is going to change.

Speaker 1 No matter what you do or accomplish in sport life after this moment, you will always be known as Matt Leinert Heisman Trophy winner. Everywhere you go.

Speaker 1 And when you're in the moment, you're like, yeah, cool, great. I was 22.
Like you're a kid. You're just, you know, you're trying to soak it up, but like, it's a really cool feeling.
And I'm 41.

Speaker 1 So 19 years later, it is still the number one thing that people say when they meet me or introduce me to something or introduce me for something, all that.

Speaker 1 And it just, it just, it's such a unique, exclusive,

Speaker 1 just like elite club of really special football players. Some of the best to ever play the game at any level.
Some obviously the best to play at the collegiate level. Great people.

Speaker 1 So that was a defining moment. And obviously, you know, we have, you know, Johnny coming up, who is incredible.

Speaker 1 And then the guys, you know, this weekend, the four, Travis Hunter, Genty, Cam Ward, and Dylan Gabriel. Just congratulations to those four for being finalists.
And really just a fun, unique year.

Speaker 1 Like, if you watch college football this year,

Speaker 1 to have a two-way star most likely, most likely win, we haven't seen.

Speaker 1 I mean, Charles Woodson was not a two-way star. He was a one-way star that participated in special teams.
And he would tell you that, obviously,

Speaker 1 a top-tier running back at a lower-level conference that was absolutely a stud and going to be a top 10 to 15 draft pick. And then two incredible quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 So it's always, it's a defining moment in all of these guys' career to be a finalist, but to win it, man, it just changes your life forever.

Speaker 3 Well, I want to thank you to the National Highway Traffic Association. I don't know if my defining moment's going to be nearly as good.

Speaker 1 Next week, we'll do mine.

Speaker 3 I don't know if mine's going to be nearly as good as yours.

Speaker 3 Last thing before we go to Johnny Manzel.

Speaker 3 The other cool thing about winning a Heisman is you get a vote. I'm not going to ask you who you voted for.
I know what, but

Speaker 3 you must put a lot of thought because you're covering the game.

Speaker 1 So, well, actually,

Speaker 1 I want to say two things. One, yes, getting a vote.

Speaker 1 That's cool. I get a couple different votes for a couple different words, and they all are equally as important because I take a lot of pride into

Speaker 1 really, at least my opinion and putting my opinion and being like, this is why I think he wins, not just like, oh, he's got the best numbers, best stats.

Speaker 1 But the second thing I want to say is, as I was looking at, every year there's always like a Heisman snub, right? And this year, two in particular, so I want to give these two dudes some love.

Speaker 1 Shador Sanders, and again, probably overshadowed by his teammate, Travis Hunter, and the full marketing push and promotion of Travis Hunter to win the Heisman Trophy. Shador kind of took a back seat.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you right now, this dude is the real real deal. And whether you like him or not and you like the flash or not or you're tired of him or not,

Speaker 1 whatever your reason is, this dude is going to be a really good pro. He might be on your Giants.
Not sure. I might be a Raider.
He might be a Raider. I think he's going to be the Raiders.

Speaker 1 He's tremendous. And I want to give Tyler Warren some love.
And I was looking at this. And you might not even know who Tyler Warren is.
Okay. He's the tight end.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He's the tight end for Penn State. He had 88 catches this year for over 1,000 yards.
He had 23 carries for 200 yards and seven touchdowns. He was three for five passing with a touchdown.

Speaker 1 He blocks his ass off.

Speaker 1 He lined up at center and caught a touchdown pass against my Trojans. This dude is going to be a top 10 pick.

Speaker 1 I said this on the show this year. Outside of Travis Hunter, he's the most versatile player in all of college football.
He is a freaking star.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if we've ever had a tight end be a Heisman finalist. He should have been a Heisman finalist.
So shout out to Tyler Warren.

Speaker 3 I don't know if Jeremy Schockey ever got there, but you know what? Giants should draft him.

Speaker 3 Start him a quarterback at this point.

Speaker 1 Andrew, we're going to find out if there's ever been a tight end that was a Heisman finalist. I don't think there's been.

Speaker 1 We'll find out. Anyway, we can move on.

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Speaker 3 All right, Johnny, thank you for coming in. Yeah, I was talking to some of my boys back home, telling them that we were going to like talk to you.
And they were like, you know what?

Speaker 3 They wanted me to tell you, like, we watched the dock and

Speaker 3 they reminded me of this, too. You completely,

Speaker 3 we all thought that you grew up like a rich kid from like what was going on in college. Like, it wasn't until your dock that

Speaker 3 when it came out, I'm like, oh my God, he didn't grow up with like some Texas oil money stuff. Like, you completely...
had us back in Brooklyn completely.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it was

Speaker 2 something that, you know, around that time just made the most sense to kind of go with something like that.

Speaker 1 It worked. It worked.

Speaker 2 It definitely did. You know, I think the doc did a good job of kind of showing how it really was.
But no, it came from a pretty

Speaker 2 normal family for the most part.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 1 When you were doing that and you were like, shit, we're just going to go along with this.

Speaker 1 Was there ever a time where you were like, Did you ever worry about the consequences or you were just like, fuck it, I'm going to keep going?

Speaker 2 I mean, I always thought like, you know,

Speaker 2 I thought about it a little bit, but at that point in time, I mean, as you're a broke kid in college, just trying to make some money, like, there was probably no stopping it.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, getting around the compliance stuff and being able to talk to compliance guys and just pay for everything in cash type of thing.

Speaker 2 And just, you know, it was, it was, it was, it wasn't all that, it wasn't all that difficult, I guess.

Speaker 1 Wait, you were paying the compliance guys?

Speaker 2 No, you would just, they would ask you, how are you doing all this? You know, how are you going in this game? Like, do you have a receipt? Do you have nothing?

Speaker 3 We paid in cash it's baller that is baller man and it worked uh

Speaker 3 when you did the dock was that something that you were

Speaker 3 i don't want to say like stressed out about you were like ready to kind of talk a little bit more about stuff and kind of do it in a way that you felt you wanted yeah i think for me just to get a chance to just like kind of tell the story and just kind of like get that chapter and like

Speaker 2 that side of it over with a little bit you know i think there'd have been a lot that i've been holding on to that for a long time and not really able to say much about it and it's kind of got to a point where, you know, I felt like I had good partners at Untold, felt like it was a great platform with Netflix and had an amazing director who made it really easy for me just to sit down and go through everything.

Speaker 2 So it just made a lot of sense. It had been, you know, what, pretty much 10 years since I had been in college.
So I felt like a lot of time had passed too.

Speaker 1 I thought it was great. We talked about it.
I just, I thought it. you know, you had a chance to tell your story.
What was like the feedback like after it was out?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the like biggest thing I think for me whenever people really saw what it was and kind of watched the dock, I think I got a lot more of a positive reaction for the next, it's been out a couple years since then.

Speaker 2 I think just my interactions with people in the streets, going around, being different places, I think it's been a lot more positive interaction than it was in the past.

Speaker 1 I think it's also too like you

Speaker 1 Like as football players, especially like kind of like this fishbowl thing and you were obviously living that life and I understand what that life kind of feels like.

Speaker 1 It's like kind of like just a relief of like, this is who I was. This is what I was going.
And it really opened up another layer to you. I think that we all appreciate.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that because I never really knew you up until like obviously knew who you were, the Heisman and all that.

Speaker 1 And I know what it's like to just have those ups and downs in the NFL, but no one really knew what you were going through off the field and all this stuff that you were dealing with.

Speaker 1 And for you to be able to tell that story was awesome. Like it really was cool, man.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it. Yeah, it was, it was good to, it was definitely a good feeling to get that off my chest as well.

Speaker 2 And just be able to kind of, you know, close a chapter, be able to move on and be able to kind of have that story told and

Speaker 1 just out there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I remember, do you remember meeting me in Cleveland or no?

Speaker 2 It was a long time. It's been a long time ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 I got invited. Yeah, I got invited to come check out practice, right? And I took a couple of my wife's Cleveland dudes who were super psyched.

Speaker 3 You weren't even the starter yet, but I remember like walking around. We met quickly.
And then like, there was this like beat reporter dudes waiting to just like, we got to talk to Johnny.

Speaker 3 I'm like, the dude's not even starting yet. And I just remember, and I feel like with Cleveland, I've spent a lot of time there.
I even talked to like Stefanski about it.

Speaker 3 It is a little bit of a fishbowl in Cleveland because like the Browns are such a

Speaker 3 thing over there. And I know you could say like, well, you play in a big city or a bigger city.
It must be hard.

Speaker 3 I almost feel like Cleveland, like you're under almost like a, not like a microscope, but football is such a, the Browns are such a thing there.

Speaker 3 I remember walking out of that practice silly being like, This guy dude's not even the starter yet. And they're just like waiting to talk to him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think obviously came in there with a lot of hype and a lot of um you know after especially right out of the college couple college seasons that i had but it i mean it definitely was a fishbowl city there's every single um person that's in that town is a browns fan has been for you know generations and generations for the most part so you know it's definitely uh as you know cleveland's it's it's all about the browns there really is how how were i i remember like I had a Hollywood perception and even going into Arizona, I was like

Speaker 1 liked by my teammates, but I couldn't, I couldn't just get rid of that like stigma and that was always attached. And again, I take some responsibility to that.
Was there,

Speaker 1 I don't, like, how were you received by your teammates?

Speaker 2 I think I was received great by my teammates, you know, especially coming in. You know, I made a lot of great friends that I still have to this day that were on those teams.

Speaker 2 You know, a guy that really took me under his wing, Joe Hayden, is a guy that always be super, super thankful for. I think he,

Speaker 2 you know.

Speaker 2 really came in and kind of showed me what the league was like, you know, showed me around the town, you know, didn't hesitate to kind of introduce me to a lot of people and be able to really be a big support system for me there.

Speaker 2 And I think, you know, the teammates that I had there during the time, you know, I'll always, you know, remember and have a good relationship with you.

Speaker 1 Do you have Shanahan and McDaniel? Do you have all those guys? They always show that clip where they did the fake play where you caught the ball. I think Shanahan's right there and McDaniels.

Speaker 2 McDaniels, yeah. So McDaniels was our

Speaker 1 receiver's coach,

Speaker 2 and Shanahan was ROC.

Speaker 1 Was McDaniels as

Speaker 1 cool, I guess, the word, as he is now, or was he like, were you like, who is this kid?

Speaker 2 No, he, he,

Speaker 2 he's kind of exactly the same way that he's got so much. He is now, but he was, he was our run game coordinator, so he was like so dialed in to

Speaker 2 our receiver's coach, which is weird. He's our receiver's coach, but he's our run game, like pretty much coordinator for the week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was like, dude, I drew up a play for uh, I drew up, this is such pulls. Yeah, I drew up a play for him.
Yeah, I drew up literally like 62 SmackZ drive, like a drive concept.

Speaker 1 And I try to, I try to say, I went to, what do I say, F-mode, a bunch right, 62 smack, Z drive, I put X on a comeback. Pretty basic.
This dude could not draw.

Speaker 1 I was trying to explain to him.

Speaker 3 My experience comes from Madden. So we don't, and I let coach suggest you.

Speaker 2 He put a motion in there on you. I did.

Speaker 2 But I did.

Speaker 3 Mo to bunch right.

Speaker 1 And he was like, what the hell does that mean?

Speaker 1 I want to ask you about NIL because I get asked this all the time.

Speaker 1 Not necessarily like how much money you would have made because

Speaker 1 you were making money, but we would have made a lot more money. Would you have stayed longer in college? Do you think?

Speaker 1 Like, if you put yourself back and you're like, shit, I can make a couple million, would you have stayed an extra year?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think so. Just because, I mean, you know, you get into your rookie contract if you're not taking it high enough.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, I could have stayed two more years in college and probably made what I made throughout the four years of your NFL deal for the most part.

Speaker 2 So I think it would have given me the opportunity to still be at a place at AM like that, be able to make money and be able to, you know, still continue to go

Speaker 2 play the college football life. You know, i think there was it's tough for me looking back having left two years of eligibility on the table yeah

Speaker 3 when you like watch nfl now i mean so many qbs are improvisational i think that that was like the most fun watching you in your career and how you just improv

Speaker 2 go back a little bit like what i really am curious like what high school Johnny was like like especially for like the improvisational style is that something that's just in you obviously I don't think you get coached up to be like just you know play breaks down do what you got to do like where does that come from is it a young age or when we when i got to high school we would play a game like a rugby type game where you would pretty much just like toss it around the field for the most part and it would be one of those things where you're you know running to the left full speed you have a guy all the way to the right and you're throwing you're just chunking the ball around the backyard and then um ninth grade when i got to high school we ran you know pretty much a texas tech air raid type of offense and you were in high school like just five four, five wide every single time.

Speaker 2 We'd never had a tight end once in four years of offense. That was further.
Never went under center one time.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, I think it just set me up well playing

Speaker 2 in that kind of offense, in that kind of style.

Speaker 2 And then, luckily, you know, I go to AM and I get there my first year, and I'm playing for Mike Sherman, and it's all under center, all pretty much your basic, you know,

Speaker 2 pro style as it gets. And I really, really struggled that first year being there, and then got lucky to have Kingsbury and that same kind of offense come in the next year.

Speaker 1 Dude, so I was, so at USC, when I was there, I had Norm Chow, who was a great quarterback, West Coast, fit my style. He didn't believe in shotgun at the time.
So

Speaker 3 it doesn't work. You can't win this way.

Speaker 1 That's like a guy who doesn't believe in three. He always believed I need to be under center with my eyes up, getting the ball, right? Because in shotgun, sometimes you put your eyes down.

Speaker 1 We had great teams. I had a great O-line.
So I didn't get hit a ton, but I just remember like third downs. I'm like third and seven, double A gap blitz.
I'm literally under center.

Speaker 1 Like it was, it was crazy. I was in shotgun maybe four plays in college, and it was when I sprained my knee.
I was like, because I couldn't, I couldn't move.

Speaker 3 She couldn't get out of the snap.

Speaker 1 I couldn't get out of the snap to like hand off, whatever. But it was so opposite.
That's crazy. But I didn't see the thing.

Speaker 1 I felt fairly comfortable in shotgun, but like under center was my whole thing, you know, play action.

Speaker 2 All that stuff. For me, when I got to the league, obviously, it was like learning how to take a snap under center for the most part.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 It was, we probably only ran, you know, 12, 15 plays in both my years of college where we ever went under center.

Speaker 1 It's like a real thing.

Speaker 3 So wait, was your high school team just putting up numbers?

Speaker 3 Because not every defense in high school is ready for that.

Speaker 2 We had a special high school where we would go pretty much play like some really good teams in San Antonio. So we like sought out.
Our coaches were psychopaths.

Speaker 2 They would go and look at the top 10 of our area every year and pretty much go into it and try and schedule anybody that would play us. And a lot of teams would.

Speaker 2 I think we're just some crazy, crazy white boys from outside of San Antonio. And they, and they would schedule these games.

Speaker 2 So, you know, the thing that that did for us is we would go play these really hard teams from San Antonio.

Speaker 2 And then we would get into our district and get a chance to really kind of, you know, let our team flow a little bit. And it got us a lot better.

Speaker 2 So, you know, as this offense, they installed it pretty much, you know, my freshman year. And as it kept going on and getting through the seasons, we had a, you know, we had a pretty

Speaker 2 pretty firepowered offense for sure. We really didn't have a lot of talent, though, for the most part.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, we had guys who were good fit for the system, but I think I was maybe the only person that really ever played, you know, maybe one other guy that ever played college football.

Speaker 1 Was is

Speaker 1 Texas high school football as crazy as it sounds?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is. It's as crazy as it is.
I mean,

Speaker 2 they have stadiums now that are 20, 30,000-seat stadiums.

Speaker 2 It's Friday Night Lights to the max. It really is as crazy as you've kind of heard about.

Speaker 1 We did a Texas game, Texas Tech game this year. I got diverted because of weather to Odessa or Midland.
And immediately I went to Friday Night Lights. I'm like, where's Perman? Where's Odessa?

Speaker 1 I want to go off.

Speaker 1 And it was in the middle of nowhere. Like, I was like, I felt like I was in a different world.

Speaker 1 But it was, I literally immediately thought of like, this is what high school football, like Texas high school football is.

Speaker 3 That makes me sad because growing up in New York, my high school, we didn't even have our own field.

Speaker 1 Did you have a high school football?

Speaker 3 So what Matt likes to do. He likes to draw me into these athletic.
He actually asked me a question.

Speaker 3 He asked me, he's like, if I was a football, if I was a football player, which position, like if I was a 45-year-old, which position if every football player

Speaker 3 had to have one 45-year-old player on their team, it's a rule, new league rule. I'm on your team.
All right, we got, and you have to run one play.

Speaker 3 We have to be on the field, like a, like little league, like every kid has to have an at-bat. I have to be on for one play.

Speaker 3 What position? And what are you having me do? And then we'll tell you what Matt told me he's going to make me do.

Speaker 2 I think you have to put your slot.

Speaker 1 See, Johnny's got faith.

Speaker 3 He put me as a holder.

Speaker 1 He's like, you're going to get. And then we ran.
I didn't even think about special power.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 3 No, Johnny has the faith.

Speaker 1 You're the

Speaker 1 one who's going to be a little bit

Speaker 2 slot and have a zone coverage and just make him run a stick route and just put it on him.

Speaker 1 He asked me, he asked me, he's like, we were running a hitch earlier today. And I was like, he's like, how far is a hitch? That's five yards, right? I said, yeah, Ronald's book.
It's five yards.

Speaker 1 I'm just confirming. No wide receiver confirms with you.

Speaker 3 Larry Fitz didn't come up to you when he just said, You know, you want this five or you want this seven.

Speaker 1 He used to come up to me and say, Hey, what do I got on the back side of that?

Speaker 1 I tell everybody, like,

Speaker 1 did you ever have guys in the huddle that were like,

Speaker 1 What do I got? Yeah, I sometimes

Speaker 1 shit, dude. I don't know.
Uh, what are we at? Just run a go route or something.

Speaker 3 Too much turmoil.

Speaker 1 I always say sometimes there's like there is more backyard football that goes on a little bit than people realize.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't, I didn't have a lot, a lot of that go on throughout my time, but I know know when I got in for my first time in the NFL game, we were playing in Buffalo and

Speaker 2 how you get into your play calls and your boots.

Speaker 2 I sent we get under and I called the receivers' routes one way, but I rolled the wrong way pretty much. So I rolled to nobody.
So as I flip to the right, and you're like, where's everybody?

Speaker 2 I see my two backside guys are running and I'm just running to nobody. And I just, Kyle Shanahan just motherfucked me to the moon.

Speaker 1 Wait, so you rolled like right? I did like

Speaker 2 a play 18, like, you know, naked the other way, and then my both my ex and fucking slot receiver taken off on the overs. It was, uh, it was brutal.

Speaker 2 I just had to run like as fast as I could and just throw it into the stands.

Speaker 3 Was it was it always football for you in high school? Did you play basketball, baseball?

Speaker 1 Did you play baseball?

Speaker 2 I feel like, yeah. I thought growing up, it was always going to be a baseball route for me.

Speaker 2 I started playing from a really young age, probably, you know, six, seven years old, and then did that travel baseball, you know, thing all the way.

Speaker 2 What was your position i played middle and field played shortstop mostly

Speaker 2 like he'd be a good chief yeah i kind of just got burnt out on it though i think once you play and do that travel circuit from the time you're like eight until you get to high school you know you do it for six seven years i think for me i just started playing football and it was just something new something fun i think it's just a chance to get on get a little bit more on the aggressive side of you know running around getting hit and being able to do that and baseball like slowly started to kind of you know slide slide into the back seat going back to the baseball

Speaker 3 did Cole play a lot of baseball too?

Speaker 3 So he didn't, he never really I hear as like now parent with kids like that travel baseball is the one like, oh, you're going to be on the baseball field for 12 hours in the summer. It's a grind.

Speaker 3 Traveling all, I'm sure in Texas too, like, you know, just games all over the place. So I'm a little worried about the travel baseball with the kids.

Speaker 2 It's fun though.

Speaker 1 It's fun.

Speaker 2 I had a great time being able to do it. Me and my mom went all around the state of Texas into Louisiana.
We played all over the south.

Speaker 1 Texas high school school legit too.

Speaker 1 I want to ask about the Heisman. I don't think I've ever asked you this because

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 I was able to win in 04, like it was like kind of pre-everything. And we've talked about this.
I got dinged a little bit by cameras and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 But we were like, here's the key to the city that night.

Speaker 1 go rage, go do your thing. So fun.
And everybody used to go out, like everybody from all the guys that were doing the show, the Heisman guy. It was just a party.

Speaker 1 Like my night was a party that I know it changed at some point I don't like what was that night like for you

Speaker 2 the first year that I when I when I won and went the first year um

Speaker 1 I was

Speaker 2 maybe just turned 19 what year you were 12 12 yeah so I wasn't even really able to like go out and do anything I'm sure at that time I was like really trying to find somewhere in New York that would let me like

Speaker 2 couldn't even drink legally for the most part but you know I did have you know my dad there and stuff. They brought up a huge bucket of like Budweisers or something.

Speaker 2 Just got to sit in one of the big suites. They upgrade you to a nice newer suite once you win it.

Speaker 2 So I got to sit up there just with like three or four of my boys from high school that came up with me for the trip and just

Speaker 2 sat in Times Square and just sat in between the trophy and all of us and just slammed beers until

Speaker 2 as late as we possibly could. And then the next morning, it's 6:30 a.m.
You got to go get on the ESPN.

Speaker 1 That's messed up. That you guys are going to be able to do that.
We can't even give you one more day.

Speaker 1 Dude, I was up till,

Speaker 1 so we did um you take the trophy and go everywhere for the most part the next day like you go you did like cold pizza was that that gosh i want eight it's probably the first table that's i was like i was just telling them like dude you win it the next morning you're hungover and you got to do the whole media circuit and then like i think when i with those years we had to go speak to the tri-state all-star football like banquet that night and then the next night was the big night but i was telling jerry my my night was i was 22 i was older So I was like, let's go.

Speaker 3 You brought like the, I don't want to call it, not losers, but the guys you beat, you brought with you for the night. Like,

Speaker 1 a couple of my boys were there. Right.
Like the quarterback, the room was there. And then

Speaker 1 we had like a big limo. And it was like all the guys that were like Herbie was there, like all the guys, like they were all Fowler, all those guys.

Speaker 3 Don't even those guys come out.

Speaker 1 Like, where older would you, Matt? Well, you're funny when Urban, Urban was there with Alex Smith. So now I work with Urban.

Speaker 1 And somehow Urban got like, he tells a great story, he got pushed into the, to the limo.

Speaker 1 It was me, my brother, Adrian Peterson, I think his brother, Jason White, I don't think went out, but then like Reggie was there and then Alex Smith and Urban and her, it was like 20 of us and we were just like, let's go, like, we're going.

Speaker 1 And everybody was happy. Urban like ducked out.
We stopped right in front of the club and he just ducked out and left. But we, it was, it was a rough, long night.
It was the best night ever.

Speaker 3 It's such a unique award because,

Speaker 3 you know, my, I've been lucky enough to go to a few of the like Golden Globe Emmy type award shows and 50 people win awards and you go out to all the parties and everyone has little trophies or whatever.

Speaker 3 But it's just one winner. There's one person.
And then you get to go into the city. I remember early in Entourage when we went to the Golden Globes.

Speaker 3 Our first day of shooting season two was the next day. It was just a bummer the way it worked out.
And we went out and hit all the parties. And I remember coming home.
Sun coming up. We had a 6 a.m.

Speaker 3 call time the next day, day one of work, season two. And I hit my head hits the pillow.

Speaker 3 I go this, I'm about to fall asleep and the alarm clock goes off i didn't even get the chance to fall asleep and let's just say the hair and makeup trailer we were like hey got use all your powers you got whatever you could do to get me to look uh i just think the heisman though is such a unique joke because just it's one person they're not doing a bunch of different awards for the night it's just one one guy what did you you what did you think when reggie got his back i thought it was awesome because you were pretty vocal yeah i thought it was awesome i know you know when you go there and you you get a chance to like go back now, it just never sat right with anybody that he wasn't

Speaker 2 able to be a part of it for things that guys are getting paid for right now to be able to do.

Speaker 2 Obviously, it's different times and different rules back then, but in the reality of it, you know, I'm glad that they did what they did and I'm glad that it worked out that way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He deserves

Speaker 2 bullshit, as we all know.

Speaker 3 That's just got to feel weird, right? When you're watching something that you know is bullshit happening in front of your eyes and then such a big penalty and becomes such a story. And

Speaker 3 did you think that he, did you guys, but well, you particularly, did you think he would one day get it back? Did you ever?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did. I,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think just because of the shift in college athletics,

Speaker 1 I just, you kind of just felt like it, it should have never happened, but you just felt like it was, it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 Um, and right, Reggie had to do some stuff too that he was a little like, just like, hey, at some point you got to just let this go and like everyone's got to come together and like, you know, know, like kind of,

Speaker 1 he just, you know, he felt like he just got so slighted, which he did. But it was like, just let it go and move on.
These people want it back and let's, let's like, hey, shake hands and move on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So he, he finally did and they did. And they did the right thing, obviously.
But

Speaker 1 it was a good, it was a good day for his family, man. It was like he got to show his kids.
I remember I was talking to him.

Speaker 1 He's like, dude, I got to show my kids the Heisman Trophy, which is all they, they're old enough to know that like

Speaker 1 what just kind of happened, you know, like he was, that's not like, you know, so it was, it was good, man.

Speaker 3 Well, listen, I'm a a big nickname guy. Do you even remember who, who dubbed you, Johnny Football?

Speaker 2 Do you remember?

Speaker 1 I have no idea.

Speaker 2 I have no idea.

Speaker 1 I was trying to think of that the other day.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I have no idea.

Speaker 3 Was it someone on like, was it an ESP? I can't remember, but it just happened.

Speaker 2 I think it was somebody through the Texas A ⁇ M. So I did like that fan base a little bit.

Speaker 3 But it happened in college. It wasn't like a high school thing or anything.

Speaker 1 Not that I can remember.

Speaker 2 No, it didn't start until I got to A ⁇ M.

Speaker 3 And you don't get to choose your nickname. Were you always kind of like, that's kind of cool one?

Speaker 1 Or you're like, ah, we're going to get better.

Speaker 3 I think it's one of the best ones.

Speaker 1 We do nicknames a lot.

Speaker 2 I thought it was a great one.

Speaker 1 Great one.

Speaker 2 You know, one that still sticks around a little bit. I have people come up and call me Johnny Football, probably more than they.

Speaker 1 Would you rather be called Johnny Football or Turtle?

Speaker 1 Turtle's the greatest.

Speaker 2 Turtle.

Speaker 1 That's the unbelievable. I would say Turtle is like an iconic.
Well, Johnny, if you, if you say Johnny Football, you mean Johnny Football's

Speaker 1 clear.

Speaker 1 Johnny Football's very good. Anyone that's watched any TV and you just say, dude, that was Turtle.
Like, you're an iconic, you got an iconic character, bro.

Speaker 3 And today, I still don't know why the character is nicknamed like what's the story we know why you're called Johnny football it's pretty self-explanatory Johnny Football is just why on earth is it is he does he walk slow I mean did he like ninja turtle I wore I thought in my mind maybe he was a big ninja you were a little you were a little heav rounder in that sense yeah I'm not a shit I'm just saying you were a little I was a big boy yeah But you

Speaker 3 looked good that well, I always love when people, so people come up to you like Johnny Football. I get dudes come up to me and like, I'm the turtle in my group.
I'm like, yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 3 And then every now and then someone comes up and says, I'm the Vince.

Speaker 1 I'm like, really?

Speaker 1 You?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 All right, Vince. Sure.
I'll see you around. And I'm like, you think very highly of yourself.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 There's a big like

Speaker 1 young quarterbacks in the NFL now. And you've been through this.
And we had Kurt Warner on, who's someone that

Speaker 1 I played with. I learned a lot.
Early on, it was more competitive, but I learned a lot from him. And especially as I look back, I was like,

Speaker 1 he was just great. You know, he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 1 he had told us that he's like reaches out to young quarterbacks and just trying to help them and guide them and stuff did you have and they they never really kind of fade him he's faded i think it's a different generation i think a lot of these young guys for the most part like kind of think they already know what they know and they really don't know what they don't know that makes sense it was there

Speaker 1 i mean there was a mentor you had or like do you wish going back like there was a guy because who did you have in cleveland you had hoyer

Speaker 1 is there is there someone that you're like man that would have been cool to reach out and maybe learn something from?

Speaker 2 I got to learn a lot. I felt lucky when I was doing my pre-draft stuff.
You know, I got a chance to learn from Kevin O'Connell,

Speaker 2 who's obviously with the Vikings now and doing an unbelievable job. But he was living in San Diego

Speaker 2 and had a ton of knowledge, obviously, having been at the Patriots.

Speaker 2 you know, came and sat down with us every day pretty much through pre-draft stuff and did a lot of my film work, a lot of my board work.

Speaker 2 So I felt really lucky to be able to sit, be with him for that process, and then get a chance to go and learn from from shanahan and then funny thing that staff kind of turned over and then the next year um

Speaker 1 he ended up being our our quarterback coaching oh he did yeah oh so you had him yeah how great how i always try to explain like shanahan's offense how great it is it's sick it's so sounds like a lot of terminology i feel like

Speaker 1 you have to be on motion bunch whatever the hell you were saying before it's just so like the scheme and they're just he's a brilliant play caller and scheming and getting guys and then playing to your strengths like it's just unbelievable i try to explain it in like simple terms of why because everyone's like why did why is jimmy garoppola having these why are these quarterbacks playing a certain way but it's just interesting how like um

Speaker 1 just

Speaker 2 like kirk cousins can run the exact same offense as what rg3 was doing and they're completely different players like yeah the same offense they do from the pistol and from you know side by side and shotgun as they do under center it's all just kind of tailor-made and timed out the exact same way and it's all just so you know predicated on the run game and like so technically sound.

Speaker 2 So it really was, you know, getting a chance to learn from a guy like that and learn an offense like that was something.

Speaker 3 It does seem like, you know, because I watch all sports and I do believe that situation, and Matt's talked a lot about this too, like the situation is really so important.

Speaker 3 You know, sometimes players don't work out in whatever sport. And it's not just, it's definitely not a lack of talent.
It's just the situation. And I think with basketball, you certainly see it.

Speaker 3 But with football, especially with the quarter, and maybe that's the sort of not the secret, but the thing with the QB, it really does seem so situational where you end up.

Speaker 3 I just couldn't imagine, like, you're talking about so you lit up when you just talked about Shanahan's system. You had like a look that I haven't seen.

Speaker 3 So, like, you just lit up when you talked about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was definitely one of those things that, like, once you see it and look back at it now, thinking about the football aspect and football side of things, you're just kind of like, whoa.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was to watch one guy be able to coach all 11 positions, you know, no problem was just, you know, it was interesting.

Speaker 2 Definitely like having some time in that offense and more years would have been something that I could have really, really enjoyed. But

Speaker 2 yeah, it really is all situation. Depends on where you go.
And more than anything, I think you need, you know, a coaching staff and organization, and you really need pieces that believe in you.

Speaker 2 I mean, you look around the league now, you got guys who have their guy.

Speaker 2 Like we were talking about Garoppolo, for sure. Like, you got with Shanahan, they loved him, and it just kind of can be your story a little bit.

Speaker 2 So, it just, you know, it takes one or two guys really, really believing in you and helping you develop. I mean, you still have to develop.
You'll see a lot of these, you know, young guys now.

Speaker 2 You just need time to be able to have somebody to trust you, give you the time to be able to develop into something great.

Speaker 1 Who was your favorite quarterback growing up?

Speaker 2 Whew, I really loved watching Michael Vick play, just the mobile aspect of it. There was really nobody else that was

Speaker 2 moving like that, that was running and doing that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 throw into the the football brett favre was was just

Speaker 2 a crazy crazy gunslinger and just unbelievable arm strength

Speaker 1 i played him actually

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 1 the week my oldest cole was born i was a rookie he was born on tuesday on our off day i flew home was there and then flew back and we played at green bay that week got our ass kicked we were terrible but i got to start against favre who's my favorite quarterback growing up i was like so you know how you find sometimes i don't know if it's how you find yourself like young and you're playing against like Tom Brady and you're like, I got to watch him play.

Speaker 1 Like, I was like a kid in the candy store and they beat our ass, but I was like watching number four in Green Bay play. It was like, it was so awesome, man.

Speaker 2 We would play the, we would have a game, obviously, against the Steelers every year.

Speaker 2 And just to watch like Big Ben, you know, you would see him be kind of like up and down at times a little bit through the season. But when he played, the Browns was like the most.

Speaker 2 Him and Antonio Brown were just like, is it fucking those AFCs?

Speaker 1 This is crazy.

Speaker 1 Because we played against Ben a bunch and like how one how big he was. He was one of the biggest dudes I've ever seen and he was like just kind of like frumpy a little bit, you know, but he was a dog.

Speaker 1 Like it was crazy in person and he could move and he was like not fast, but like fast.

Speaker 1 He had a little shape to him. It was just wild.

Speaker 1 He's an old like we'll never get another big band, dude. He was like 6'6, 265 and like

Speaker 1 would run and like I was just it was just he was great man.

Speaker 2 He was it was fun to watch in person for sure.

Speaker 3 He was you ever think about like does coaching interest you 1% or is it not something that you?

Speaker 2 I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 The college, like, the college aspect, I think, would be fun, but then the recruiting trail and hitting that and doing that is like, you know, I talked to Cliff Kingsbury a lot and I've brought it up to him like a couple of times.

Speaker 1 And he's like, bro, enjoy your fucking life. Enjoy your life, bro.
Enjoy your life. I don't know how they do that.
I could play golf.

Speaker 2 It's when he was at Texas Tech. He was just like, fuck, man, this is, this is a real grind.

Speaker 1 Dude, and by the way, now they're making,

Speaker 1 some are making millions of dollars. Now you're dealing with that shit.
Like you're recruiting, you're recruiting kids who are already making a ton of money. And you're like, what am I doing, man?

Speaker 1 It's a different world, dude.

Speaker 2 It is a different world. You got to have, you know, either a really strong program that doesn't put up with the shit and is willing to like let guys, you know, walk and let them go.

Speaker 2 Or, you know, I think that's the thing that you see about really good programs right now. It's a very like.

Speaker 2 buy in and like get all the way in and all that other shit that the money and everything else like it would have been nice to make a lot of money though back then I ain't gonna lie, dude.

Speaker 1 For sure.

Speaker 1 As an outsider.

Speaker 2 Even though the NIL money in

Speaker 2 LA probably doesn't, probably wouldn't have gone that far.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you would have distracted a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, cash, man. I've been all cash under the table.

Speaker 3 As a complete outsider looking at that,

Speaker 3 and I'm an old head now. So I definitely, because I get frustrated with even like actors today and the way things are.
You didn't have to do this.

Speaker 3 You didn't have to drive all over town submitting these tits. Like I would definitely be a little like, this shit's crazy that it's happening now.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not saying bitter, but I would have some feelings about it.

Speaker 3 I just, I'm petty like that, too. I would have some feelings.

Speaker 1 I thought, I don't know. I get, like, are you ever like, are there like, cause you always get like, oh, what would you would have made or make it?

Speaker 3 How much do you guys get asked? How much money would you guys have?

Speaker 1 I don't, I'm not really bitter for these kids, making

Speaker 1 feelings. No, I know what you're saying, but like, it would have been cool to be in that era or in this era to make that.
But like, I kind of feel like we paved the way for, I don't know, like,

Speaker 2 there had to be, there had to be a lot to happen to be able to even get to that point to be able to be where it is today you know so i think you know i look at it now and i think it's it's great yeah it's got to be great for your son to be able to be going to

Speaker 1 smu and be able to go to a place like that that's i'm it's it's it's what advice i need advice man i'm like the i'm like i live it but now i'm the dad of like

Speaker 1 shielding him from nil because i'm like i want you to earn it i also don't want him to get the feeling of what it's like to like like it's weird man because it's like i want him to make the money it's an an opportunity but he's also not smart enough to understand how all this shit works still i mean i understand but it's like so i just had this conversation the other day and he's asking me and it's good but i'm like let me handle this like i want him to i you know like it's weird it's a weird thing man with these kids because i don't want that to affect his overall goal or what he wants to accomplish you know like you and it's it's easy to do that you know he's a good kid and all that stuff but it's just like that's a challenge that i'm going through right now yeah it definitely is very easy to get you know

Speaker 2 focused on the money and you can go in with nothing just your scholarship and everything else and just

Speaker 2 go ride.

Speaker 1 And you're living a great life. You know, free tuition.
You're playing ball in Texas.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's good.

Speaker 3 That's going to be fun. Do I have permission to nerd out with some golf stuff with Johnny for a minute? Oh.
Because I know Johnny, first of all, how is the golf game these days?

Speaker 2 The golf game's all right. I think I'm hovering probably around of, I don't know, four handicap.

Speaker 2 I haven't played that much this year, though.

Speaker 1 This has been my least.

Speaker 2 This has been the least amount of golf I've played in a year. When I first went to Scottsdale, I probably played, you know, 150 plus rounds.

Speaker 3 So good to go. Scottsdale so far.

Speaker 1 I played a little bit.

Speaker 2 That was good. I bet I've only got in like 10 or 15, 10 rounds this year, 15 rounds.

Speaker 3 So I remember watching you, you did Bob Does Sports, right?

Speaker 3 Do you have, do you have plan? You must get approached all the time to start a golf YouTube channel. I think you would crush

Speaker 2 thought about it a little bit.

Speaker 2 It's been fun to do the Bob Does Sports and get on a couple of those guys and just be able to go and have a day. Right.

Speaker 3 Would you want to do your own or you just want to pop in on other guys for here and there?

Speaker 2 I can see myself doing that for sure. That's something that definitely

Speaker 2 fits my lifestyle.

Speaker 1 You want to co-host if you want someone to do it. If you are hardcore selling golf to you, to me,

Speaker 1 what do they do? They just ride around the car.

Speaker 3 What is this by, see? I'm the old head, and I'm telling you about Bob Does Sports and YouTube golf, and I'm the old head.

Speaker 1 Listen, dude, I'm not watching Bob Does Sports on YouTube at the house.

Speaker 1 Pretty fucking good.

Speaker 3 With those guys, it's more about the hang, right?

Speaker 1 So they're just...

Speaker 1 Is good.

Speaker 3 One good golfer, and the rest of them, Joey Colkuz gets a little hot. He can can get hot sometimes, but they're just...

Speaker 1 They're just boys talking shit, hanging during a... Yeah.
What's wrong with that? Nothing.

Speaker 3 You would cry. I mean, your channel, I think, would be really, really good.

Speaker 1 We were talking about this. I'm just going to throw this out there right now.
Dream Forsome Golf. Anybody you could golf with?

Speaker 3 I love this question because you can go so many different. And I actually got a different one for you after this.

Speaker 1 Living. We'll do living.
We'll do living.

Speaker 2 I think you have to play with Tiger. God play with Tiger.
I think you have to play with Tiger just to see it.

Speaker 3 Tiger now is starting to do youtube stuff like he'll do a lot of stuff with cheffler and he'll watch cheffler hit a shot and he gets so giddy no no he actually is like

Speaker 3 he's like marvels at but you almost know he's like in his mind he's probably saying like i was doing that when i was 14 but good for you tiger i'm with you on that you can't overlook our goat

Speaker 2 i think you have to have maybe john daly

Speaker 1 That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 I got to hang with Daly a few months ago when he's doing the champions thing at Firestone.

Speaker 1 And his cat, he was like, you need any golf clubs?

Speaker 3 Do I, what do you mean? He's like, What do you need? What do you? I'm like, I always need a three-wood. He went in the house and came out with the three-wood head, not on the shaft.

Speaker 3 Like, this is what John hit today. Take it.
And he handed me this stealth bomber of a three-wood that I can, I brought to the golf shop to get a shaft put in.

Speaker 3 They're like, We haven't seen, we don't have the adapters. We haven't seen this yet.
How'd you get this?

Speaker 1 They were interrogating me. Love it.

Speaker 3 All right, so Tiger Daly, you now round it out.

Speaker 2 Probably Jordan.

Speaker 2 Oh, Jordan, big, big, big golf guy. Obviously, he likes to gamble.

Speaker 1 I was gonna say, that'd be a a lot of money.

Speaker 3 All right. My variation on that question is, me and Scotty Scheffler challenge you and a PGA tour player of your choice to a 2v2 money match.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 So you can pick any PGA golfer. I got Scotty, though.
I take the world number one.

Speaker 1 You're trying to sell this right now.

Speaker 3 Because I'm like a 12-handicap. So I'm the scrub.
I get to pick. I pick Scotty Scheffler.
Who are you going into battle with versus the two of us?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 it would be an uphill climb for us, but I would go with one of my boys. I would take Max Homa.

Speaker 1 Oh, Max Homa. Max is a beast.

Speaker 2 Max is the man. We've become good friends, and Scott's Dale.
He's, you know, turned into a fucking, you know, hell of a guy, a real force on the tour. Scotty,

Speaker 2 you know, week in and week out, not a lot of guys beat him. But I think that'd be a hell of a day.

Speaker 3 Max, what I love about Max, first of all, he was awesome in the Ryder Cup too, even though USA got their ass kicked. Max talks shit to people on Twitter all the time.

Speaker 1 Does he?

Speaker 3 Yeah, like some dude posted a video of him hitting his three wood and saying, I hit my three wood 10 yards past Homa. And he's like, that's really cool that you do that.

Speaker 3 If you need discount tickets to any of the PGA tour events, let me know. I'll make sure I invite you as my guest.
It's great you can hit your three wood 295 yards. No, he goes at people.

Speaker 1 He does.

Speaker 1 He does.

Speaker 3 See, me and Johnny, we're starting a YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 Have you ever hit with like a gala, like with like a real gallery with people on the side?

Speaker 3 It's single-handedly.

Speaker 1 I literally think, I literally. will shit my passes.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about shooting my pants right now.

Speaker 1 Have you done it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we did. I did a the good good guys did a tournament at this part three course.
And

Speaker 2 there was probably clippings, right? Like gas clippings. There was probably, I don't know, a couple thousand people out there.

Speaker 2 And I got up on the first tee and I absolutely shanked it over the top of everybody that was. It was part three course, right?

Speaker 3 So would you have like a eight iron?

Speaker 2 No, it sounded like a probably a 50-degree wedge and still found a way to fucking shank it. And luckily, it didn't kill anybody.

Speaker 3 I've done it a couple of times. I played years ago the Pro-Am.
It used to be called the Mercedes-Bands. It's the the first tour event of the year.
It's only 30 pros.

Speaker 3 And I get paired with Jeff Ogilvy, who at the time had won two U.S. Opens.
By the way, Jeff Ogilvy, like, didn't talk to me for the first four holes. And then this cat, he finally comes up.

Speaker 3 He's like, He's not going to talk to you till he makes a birdie. And he made a birdie and he was the coolest dude ever.
I'm like, Oh, wish he would have told me that hours ago.

Speaker 3 That first t-shot, because I had driver. To me, driver is the scariest club to have in your hand on

Speaker 3 a t-shot with all those people. My hands were trembling.

Speaker 2 At least it's got the biggest

Speaker 1 radius. Yeah.
Yeah, it's got the biggest.

Speaker 3 But if you snap hook one into the gallery, like, and didn't, uh,

Speaker 3 who on Good Good did that? Yeah. Was it Garrett? Garrett Clark, like, snap hooked the driver into a dude's elbow and just blew up.
Matt, we got to get you.

Speaker 3 You know, you're not invited on Johnny and I's YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 You're not, he's out. Matt's out.
Okay, before we let you go, so we do, I don't, put you on the spot, CZ, though. We do a throwback three segment every pot.

Speaker 1 And we just, anything from movies to whatever.

Speaker 1 Top three Texas high school football legends.

Speaker 1 I've heard stories about some of these guys, but I can only imagine.

Speaker 2 I think you probably have to put Kyler on that list. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't even think he'd lost a game.

Speaker 2 Stafford is a guy that's still very much still talked about from Highland Park.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 Baker School.

Speaker 2 Baker's School at Lake Travis was one of the most dominant runs in Texas high school football history, really. They were unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Baker, Stafford, and Kyler was like, I think he's all-time high school player. Like he's looked at like that, right? He's like 50.

Speaker 2 I really don't think he lost the game.

Speaker 1 That's wild.

Speaker 2 For a big, big 5A school in Dallas. And where'd he go? They ran it.
He went to Allen.

Speaker 1 Oh, Allen. That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He went to Allen.

Speaker 3 Before we let you go, I know you got glory days now.

Speaker 3 I listened to, obviously I listened to Matt's episode because I, you know, this is my guy. And I I listened to the Odin episode.
The Odin episode was awesome. Did you know Odin much before you?

Speaker 2 I had met him one time before, but was always

Speaker 2 like really interested in his story. I think just two similar guys who had been like, you know, we obviously didn't get a chance to play in the league very long.
His were because of injuries.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think just getting to deal with certain things in life and you run into people like that, you're able to have a little bit of chemistry about, you know, getting back and being in a good place.

Speaker 2 you know, the ups and downs of life. The show is great.

Speaker 3 It's in the rotation for me. The show is great.
I was listening to him on the the flight to LA, and I look forward to now. I'm already like, I'm all caught up, kind of.

Speaker 3 So I'm like, when's the next batch of glory days coming? So I'm waiting on it.

Speaker 3 It's a really good one. And thank you for doing this, man.
That's a good thing.

Speaker 1 Johnny Football, baby. Johnny Football.
What a great nickname.

Speaker 3 Way better than Turtle, by the way. Don't even dare make that comparison.

Speaker 1 Turtle's pretty good. Yeah.

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Now he's the GM of the Hawks and he's done a good job.

Speaker 3 Landry Fields tweeted back in November, almost 14 years to the day. Me and Andy Rottens will be in the city tonight starting at 5 p.m.

Speaker 3 The first person to find us and answer our trivia question wins two tickets to the Knicks game.

Speaker 1 Who do you think wins?

Speaker 1 Your boy.

Speaker 1 Your boy.

Speaker 3 And then he posts.

Speaker 3 He goes, Landry Shaman, the winner is Tim Chalamay, and he won the contest. There's a picture of him that we'll post up.

Speaker 1 I was looking at the tweet you sent me.

Speaker 3 He must be 12 years old, 11 years old. He's putting up the peace signs.
He looks cool.

Speaker 3 Tim, we did not know you had. You didn't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 You say you used to play pickup with him a little bit, too?

Speaker 3 So he is my money moment for the week.

Speaker 3 But yes.

Speaker 3 I started a pickup basketball game

Speaker 3 in Hollywood years ago. It's still going on to this day, even though I don't live there.
A lot of actors, producers, writers, whatever.

Speaker 3 And one time, my good buddy Sherm, who I think produced the indie that

Speaker 3 Tim was in, and he was like 15 or 16 years old, brought him to our game. And I was like, who is this little kid?

Speaker 3 And by the way, could ball.

Speaker 1 He could ball. He could ball.

Speaker 1 Some of these posts, WTF, the lore Timmy had.

Speaker 1 Add this to the lore as well. He's getting an auto by Amari Stodemeyer.

Speaker 3 what legend stud i didn't what i didn't know he had that in him and he's got some games like he would come to the pickup game and he would put in some good work again he was a kid but then years later at a next game brie and i are at a knick's game and i hear 8 000 young girls screaming so i'm like what who just walked in what is it in sync who is it it was timothy chalamay walks in walks past us to his seats and then turns like i i didn't even realize it was him i didn't realize it was the same kid from pickup and he goes hey jerry what's up up, man?

Speaker 3 How you been? And he daps me up and it's all hitting me. I'm like, oh, my God, that's little Timo from the basketball game.
So

Speaker 1 that's what they were calling him.

Speaker 3 So our money moment. Oh, that's good.
Presented by Cash App, Timothy Shalamay.

Speaker 3 Keep doing your thing, man. The movies are great, but I want to have a sport.
I want to get you on this pod to strictly talk sports.

Speaker 1 I don't want to talk about QA too. I think he gained a lot more fans over the past week just because just with the sports knowledge.

Speaker 3 Because if you look at him, you kind of think like, this kid doesn't know a lot about sports but oh no he's about that he's about that life so thank you to cash app for that and now it's time for the throwback three all right so throwback three top toys we received as kids for top Christmas gifts toys presents we got as kids this will probably be one of our last things we do for Christmas because I'm ready to be done now at this point so Matt And again, we encourage all of you at Throwback Show, tell us your top three Christmas presents you received as a kid.

Speaker 3 What did Matt Leinert get as a kid that he loved?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 okay, so the number three,

Speaker 1 the original Nintendo system. Okay.
I could have went every year with every new, every new game, you know, game console that came out. That was the OG original that introduced my brother.

Speaker 1 My brother was five years older than me. So I don't, it came out in 83 the year I was born.
I'm pretty sure I started playing video games when I was four or five.

Speaker 1 But I remember like we didn't really have those until I think I was five. So that was the very first one.

Speaker 1 And obviously we've talked about it like some of the like RC Pro and Mike Tyson's Punch Out, Excite Bike, like some of the greatest games that I love. Baseball, Haku, baseball, baseball, Hakkenfu.

Speaker 1 Like I could name a hundred different games, but the original

Speaker 1 NES system came out in 1983. One of my favorite Christmas gifts of all time.

Speaker 3 You probably went right for Duck Hunt because that came out.

Speaker 1 By the way, by the way, Zelda. My brother and Albaid Zelda.
My brother beat Zelda with his friend, which took him weeks to build or weeks to.

Speaker 3 That's something we got to ask. I know we're going to have Justin Kroll on the show in a few weeks or so.

Speaker 3 I know there's a lot of rumblings about a Zelda movie or a series. So we got to also check with Kroll on that stuff.
Okay,

Speaker 3 I hear you on that. My number three is in the same ballpark, but different game.

Speaker 3 I went Sega Genesis because for me, I loved, I got Nintendo 2 for Christmas one year. I was a lucky kid.
And

Speaker 3 when I got the Genesis, that opened up the sports video games for me in a much bigger way. That's Madden, you know, that's NHL Hockey for me.

Speaker 3 So as much as I loved getting Nintendo and Mike Tyson's punch out, 007-373-5963, that's the code.

Speaker 3 Sega Genesis meant more to me when I was like 10 years, whatever age I was on Christmas. Like my mom really came through.
So Sega Genesis for me.

Speaker 1 All right. Number two,

Speaker 1 you're going to die. I actually was going to put this number one, but I'm going to put number two.
The Millennium Falcon from Star Wars.

Speaker 1 By the way, the original toy came out in 1979. I got it.
We were big, big, big Star Wars fans as kids.

Speaker 1 So the Millennium Falcon, I remember it sat in the bottom of our,

Speaker 1 my dad's office. Again, we had a tiny house growing up.
It was so big. It just sat on the bottom there with like, we had He-Man figurines.
we had all our G.I. Joe's, we had all sorts of shit.

Speaker 1 But the Millennium Falcon was like this big thing. And we had all our stark chewbacca.
We had all this, all the toys stuffed in there by far.

Speaker 1 And by the way, people are going to love that shit because the Millennium Falcon was so fire when we were kids.

Speaker 3 So fire. I did not get that as a kid.
Friends of mine, if you walked into someone's house and they had the Millennium Falcon, you're like, this kid is cool.

Speaker 3 But also the OG that I never got was the G.I. Joe aircraft carrier, which I think was like $400.

Speaker 3 If you got that, you were just straight up.

Speaker 1 Dude, we still add our G.I. Joe's on fire, my brother and I.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 you might be too young for, and I'm only four years older than you, but you might have missed the window on this.

Speaker 3 My number two, do you remember anything called Photon? Does that ring a bell to you?

Speaker 1 Of course. It does.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Laser tag? Yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So there was some really cool at-home laser tag games back in the day.
There was one called Laser Tag, and then there was one called Photon. You get a helmet, a chest protector, and a weapon.

Speaker 3 And you could hit either of the targets, the chest protector, the weapon, or the helmet. And with Photon, you were either red or green.
Red was always the more popular one.

Speaker 3 I got Photon for Christmas, and I walked my streets like a stormtrooper. I wore it everywhere I went.
And the only other kid, I had a bunch of red teams on my side of the street.

Speaker 3 There was one kid who was a green team across the street.

Speaker 1 You guys beat us up.

Speaker 3 Hours of just hunting this green team. Dude, we had Photon.

Speaker 1 We had a, we had a place called, we had a Photon place. I remember I had a brother five years older.
So

Speaker 1 he was 46. Yeah.
So photon. Yeah, I remember.
That's a great one.

Speaker 3 Photon. And they even made, and I can't find it anywhere.
Even on YouTube, it's hard to find.

Speaker 3 They made a supportive Photon TV show, which I don't think was any good, but that's how they did things back then. So that's my number two.

Speaker 3 I wanted to think your number one was, hey, I got this, got this football when I was a kid. And when I just put it in my hand, it just felt right.

Speaker 3 And I knew I was going to, I hope it's something like that.

Speaker 1 It's probably what? The nerf football that just could be

Speaker 1 kind of the vortex. Remember the vortex?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think.

Speaker 1 I had to put a speaker. Listen, I had to go again.
I had to go with a game console. And again, I wanted to try and be original on three different things, but it's just like Nintendo 64.

Speaker 1 So, so Sega Genesis for you was like it was 64 for me. For you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mario Kart, still, still to this day, my, probably my favorite. Like my, I still play.
I played on a Nintendo Switch. Like I'm still a child.

Speaker 3 And most kids, that's their first game today.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. So for GoldenEye, arguably the greatest game.
Wave Race. I was thinking about this.
I was looking at like Wave Race. I used to play Wave Race for hours, dude.

Speaker 1 So that, like, original Nintendo was great. We never really had Super Nintendo.
It was weird. We switched because I think Super Nintendo came out around the same time as Sega Genesis.

Speaker 1 It was like, yeah, Sega, or you went, we had Genesis. We didn't have Super Nintendo.
And then Nintendo 64 came out. And that was like the one that I remember my brother and I were like saving up.

Speaker 1 And like you had to wait in line outside of like Best Buy for like or whatever, wherever Target, wherever my dad would say, like six in the morning, and you wait two hours to get the line then because you couldn't order anything online back then.

Speaker 1 So 64

Speaker 1 was the one that just hits me the most because of the games that were part of that console.

Speaker 3 I loved all the WWE wrestling games on there. They were fantastic.
And look, do you ever miss any of this stuff?

Speaker 3 It's so convenient. What I mean is like, it's so convenient now.
Matt, you want a game? You just go click on, you download it.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 And I know there's some novelty, not even Best Buy GameStop stuff, like you can go to a brick and mortar store, but that feeling as a kid.

Speaker 3 of going to the store and getting that thing that you wanted and bringing it home and fighting like to me there was no better feeling the same goes for blockbuster. Now, I know it's easier.

Speaker 3 It's better today because we saved the time, but that hype, it's hard to build that hype anymore.

Speaker 1 Hype and opening up the, yeah, and also like these kids now and like we just like like, you know, they just, they get almost whatever they want. Like it's like you just, you have access to everything.

Speaker 1 It was like, Nintendo's coming out in nine months. I can't wait to get it in 12.
Like, that's all you look forward to. It's all you look forward.
When you got it, it was like the greatest.

Speaker 1 That's why Christmas is fun with our kids age now because they get so excited. But yeah, I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm going to throw you a curveball right now, Matt Liner, because my number one is not a toy. It's not a gaming system.
It's an article of clothing.

Speaker 1 The thing that most kids hate to get on Christmas, an article of clothing. Socks.

Speaker 3 No, I wanted more than anything. A starter jacket when I was a kid.
They were expensive. You know, single mother, not going to lie.
We did not have it like that.

Speaker 3 Cannot go spend a buck fifty on a starter jacket.

Speaker 3 And I remember looking at it in the store and just the first, that was like the moment I realized like, wow, we really don't have money like that. Cause my mom was like, we can't afford this, Jerry.

Speaker 1 It's not happening.

Speaker 3 And to my mom's credit, she went back to the store. I don't know if she put it on the credit card or did layaway, which was the thing back then.
It was my Christmas gift.

Speaker 3 She hid it at my aunt's house in the closet in the basement. We used to always play over there.
And

Speaker 3 to this day, it was a Ranger starter jacket. And to this day, I still have it back.
It's like it's packed in my mom's house. And that was the coolest thing I ever got because I wanted that so much.

Speaker 1 Starter jackets were so far.

Speaker 1 One of my consolation was

Speaker 1 Reebok pumps.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Ever Reebok pumps? Like those who I remember?

Speaker 3 I just bought the Michael Chang tennis Reebok pumps where the ball is actually like the tennis material. I just bought them on StockX.
Just bought them last week. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'll wear them on the show next week.

Speaker 1 Good, because we can see them on the video.

Speaker 3 I'll put them right here next to my website.

Speaker 1 The Reebok pumps, man. Yeah, dude.
Toys were the best growing up.

Speaker 3 Well, everybody, please let us know your top Throwback Three Christmas presents as a kid that you received. It doesn't matter the year you were born.
Hit us at Throwback Show.

Speaker 3 We will be watching for that. And Matt, we're going to get up out of here.
Thank you to Johnny Manzel.

Speaker 1 Go listen to his podcast.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 yeah, just the man, and way more to come. We got a lot coming down the pipe for the rest of the year.