Michigan-Ohio State tension, Bryce Young bouncing back & Josh Duhamel joins the show!

Speaker 1 But I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the DATs. I did, I started applying the whole thing.

Speaker 2 I'm not trying to typecast you as a dentist. I feel like you would have had a predominantly female clientele.

Speaker 2 25-year-old Josh as a dentist, handsome guys. Feel like you would have had a lot of ladies because hey, you had three cleanings this month.
What are you doing back here? I just cleaned your teeth.

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And it's not what people think. It's not John.

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You know,

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Speaker 2 Is there even D3 in football?

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Speaker 2 stud. Yeah, we're going to talk about that.
And you've met him. You know him for a while.
I know Josh is a great dude. Yeah.
Yeah, He is just like your

Speaker 2 quintessential good dude, man, like guys, guy, loves sports. Obviously, great career in Hollywood.
Still, you know, still doing his thing, directed buddy games and all that, which is fantastic.

Speaker 2 And just doing a lot of stuff, man. And

Speaker 2 I run into him a couple of times a year. I feel, yeah, big Vikings fan.
Big Vikings guy.

Speaker 2 Got Kirk Cousins coming back into the building.

Speaker 2 So, look,

Speaker 2 you had a very interesting weekend. You had a front row seat.
I know a a lot of people have talked about the Ohio State, Michigan brawl.

Speaker 2 First things first, where were you when that was happening? Because you were doing big noon. Where were you located once the game ends and the brawl breaks out?

Speaker 2 So we're on the field. And first of all, the whole game, and again, we all picked Ohio State to win.
I think pretty much everyone thought they were going to win. So I apologize to Michigan.

Speaker 2 But we're always doing a post-game kind of hit after the game. And so we're right there in the corner of one of the end zones and we're kind of there getting ready.

Speaker 2 We're going to tape a hit this time because the game went long. And there's like a minute left.

Speaker 2 And all of a sudden, and usually we have a feel, like wherever we're at, we'll have a feel of whether fans are going to storm the field, right?

Speaker 2 Obviously, not in this case, but whether fans are going to storm the field or something's just going to happen because all of a sudden the cops and all the security start to line up on the field.

Speaker 2 And you could kind of see security and people kind of getting on the field just to make sure like just none of the shenanigans shenanigans that end up happening happen and i'm sitting there and we're kind of looking and all of a sudden i see whoever i see the michigan flag and that was that was the thing and we're probably like we know we're in the corner of an end zone so we're not that far someone just the flag is just going up and there's still ohio state players kind of walking off the field everybody's kind of walking off the field and i was like oh

Speaker 2 this like this is just you just felt it like you could felt it it was going to be like they were going to uh plant the flag or they were going to talk whatever it was going to be because michigan was not supposed to win that game they were 20 point underdogs they were supposed to get blown out this and that and that's all they heard and that's not what happened so we just started i i remember i looking at mark i go mark look at this and all of a sudden it just was chaos in the middle of the field and we were like damn and then we saw and then we we cut to it after we started taping our hit and we had our aerial shot of it you know with the camera and we were kind of we were kind of watching it live during our taping and i was and you could see what happened.

Speaker 2 I'm like, and then you started seeing some of the blows and then the pepper spray and all that, which again, I said, I don't condone that stuff, obviously, but a part of me kind of just that it's kind of why I love college football.

Speaker 2 I just, I love,

Speaker 2 I, I love passion. I love like, I love fan bases when they don't like each other, I love teams when they don't like each other.

Speaker 2 Obviously, you don't want it to go too far, but man, it was uh, it was pretty wild to see,

Speaker 2 yeah. I, you know, and first of all, as someone who's been mace slash pepper sprayed before,

Speaker 2 it's the worst. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It really does. It's the worst.
It's everything you think it is and more. And I knew it.
I saw it right away. I didn't see the spray, but I saw one of the players like grab it.
It was so clear.

Speaker 2 So I'm with you where,

Speaker 2 you know, the violence of it, of course, like you don't want anyone to get hurt, although you do love seeing it.

Speaker 2 And then you realize even with the cops, I'm not saying the pepper spray, whatever, but you realize they wouldn't stand a chance in that brawl.

Speaker 2 One of the Michigan players was like barking at one of the cops, and he was a solid two and a half feet taller than the cops.

Speaker 2 Someone got arrested, like legit arrested. We watched it live.
Some guy who's wearing all it was an Ohio State fan, just probably hammered on the field, got totally arrested walking off the field.

Speaker 2 I was like, damn. I'm for that.
Good, because he definitely shouldn't have been on the field. But I do think,

Speaker 2 violence aside, it is the last defense, I think, of rivalries. I think in the pros, I was really trying to think hard about it.

Speaker 2 All right, baseball does have some great rivalries, but really there's like two. And I started thinking, well, maybe why? But was it interleague play?

Speaker 2 Because, you know, the Yankees used to play the Red Sox 100 times a year. And now it's like, I don't know.
I was trying to figure out why. NBA, the stars move around.

Speaker 2 So it's more of a star-driven league. So there's star rivalries, not team rivalries.
Football has theirs, and it could be reunited at any point.

Speaker 2 But that's the beauty of college sports. Those things are real.
And I think when they go, that's going to be a bad moment for sports.

Speaker 2 So people need to understand this because, like, I, I, I'm so fortunate. I get to see this.

Speaker 2 I get to see these rivalries in person, in particular, Ohio State, Michigan, which I put down, I put out on X. I think it's the biggest rivalry in college football.
It might not be the best.

Speaker 2 It's because Urban Meyer talks about this all the time. That game means something to to those teams 365 days a year.

Speaker 2 Urban used to say, if we, because he was 7-0, the day after Michigan, they put back on their clocks 364 days until we play Michigan next year. And it's like, it's a constant reminder.

Speaker 2 It's like the game, right? It's the game. So it just means so much.
Like Michigan winning that game just salvaged their whole season. No one gives a shit what happened.
They're 7-5.

Speaker 2 They got the number one player in the country. They have, they have kind of good vibes going into next year, but they beat Ohio State again.

Speaker 2 To your point, like I was, I was thinking about this and I'm watching it. Like,

Speaker 2 so many people talked about college football this year in the last couple of years of like, well, the conference realignment, right? We got Texas, Texas, AM again, which was fantastic.

Speaker 2 Like, a lot of that has kind of taken the rivalries away because of conference realignment.

Speaker 2 Now, NIL and the transfer of the world. That's what I wanted to ask you.
So, how that affects it, too.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, to your point, with like NBA has free agency like college has portal too now there's some kids on that on those teams that really haven't experienced this rivalry that was their first time so like i was curious to think like does it does it mean as much to those kids if they they didn't grow up with it or they didn't they weren't a part of michigan or house for the last four years i i just i walked away i was saturday night i got home and i'm thinking like

Speaker 2 I don't like fighting. I don't like some of the stuff that can happen again.

Speaker 2 Like I like it's sports and whatever, but I was like, damn, like, this is why college football is the best because you have passion, you have hatred, you have fans, you have states, like Michigan and Ohio, the states hate each other because of this game.

Speaker 2 That's it. Like, it's wild.
And to see it, excuse me, to see it, I kind of was like, damn, like, college football is in a great place. Like, it really is.
Like, despite all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 Michigan had no business winning that game.

Speaker 2 And that's why they won it

Speaker 2 on their homes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I have a lot of Michigan fans in my life, and all I saw on social media the whole day before and the day after, what was it, 800 and to your point, what Urban does, 800 and some odd days since the last time Ohio.

Speaker 2 It's been 1800 days or 1,800. It's over 1,800.
Yeah, it's over 1,800. And then also I saw, which was,

Speaker 2 I knew they were ready.

Speaker 2 Michigan walked in to the Sicario

Speaker 2 kind of, it's not like a theme, but it's like the baseline on that famous freeway shootout. And it made you say, whoa, whoa, these dudes are ready.
But I had no business winning that game.

Speaker 2 No business winning that game. I mean, it was.
And it's strictly because of the rivalry of it.

Speaker 2 And then I did think a lot about the NIL transfer portal part of affecting the rivalries, like you said, because now it does emulate professional sports in a way that it never did.

Speaker 2 So is there ever a world where, you know, Travis Hunter should not get into a brawl like that? It could cost him himself or a player like Travis Hunter could cost him dough, potentially, right?

Speaker 2 Am I overthinking this? No, you're right. And then also, I mean, a lot of the narrative after that game was,

Speaker 2 do some of these kids get suspended, right? Or fined, right? Fined now because some of them are making money. I don't think we're there.
I don't think we're there yet in college.

Speaker 2 But in the NFL, if you're getting in a fight, you're either getting fined, heavily fined, or maybe you get suspended, depending on like, obviously, the severity of what happened.

Speaker 2 I don't think anything will happen. But yeah, I think think that's, we're entering a world like that where these,

Speaker 2 at some point, every player on a team is going to get paid. They're going to come employees of the school and there will be consequences for that.
I still don't think, like,

Speaker 2 it's not like, again,

Speaker 2 we're talking about like, do you cross the line?

Speaker 2 When do you cross the line? What's taken too far? Like,

Speaker 2 planting the flag, dude. Like, Baker Mayfield did it a couple of years ago.
It was awesome. And he even said it in his press conference this week.
He's like, dude, then beat us. Like, beat us for 60.

Speaker 2 He cares. I get it.
I do get it. I love it.

Speaker 2 No, what I mean is if I'm on Ohio State, you absolutely have to fight.

Speaker 2 If you're going to come plant the flag. No, I get it.
No, if you lost the game,

Speaker 2 fine. It wasn't like it wasn't a good game.
Both those teams played their heart out. So it wasn't like Michigan came in, blew them out.
Ohio State was certainly trying very hard to win.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Me, the way I grew up, I am not allowing that on my every time.
It sounded like Baker, like they had like an agreement.

Speaker 2 Hey, when you do it to us you plant the flag but i and by the way anytime no problem starting a fight over that to your point about travis hunter anytime there's a fight

Speaker 2 immediately people go straight to the quarterback and be like nope nope nope nope stay the hell out of that so did you instantly hate notre dame before you even threw a ball for usc once you got there no i hated i hated notre dame because of like

Speaker 2 it's good question i think you i think ucla there was more of a hatred because it was more intimate i knew a lot of the location of it the location they talked a lot of they beat us the very first year um i was at sc for five they beat us the first year so i i was like okay i see this cross-down rivalry it's pretty cool like okay yeah like you just immediately don't like them right and then notre dame became a real rivalry because they were really good and and and then it just became like battles you know and then also they were always kind of like the one team that was like a tough out for us to get to a national championship so it just became a little bit of like a hatred for them.

Speaker 2 UFC Notre Dame is not like a, it's not a heated rivalry like Ohio State, Michigan or Auburn, Bama. It's just, it's a, it's a respected

Speaker 2 like national rivalry that goes back however many years with just some of the greats to ever play.

Speaker 2 That rivalry is just different.

Speaker 2 But I just learned, I just kind of learned not to like them over the years because we talked, you know, we talked to Brady last week. It was just, cause they were good and they were kind of arrogant.

Speaker 2 And, you know, that, but that's how rivalries kind of like, that's what they're for, you know? It's, it's so fun for me because I,

Speaker 2 you know, we did a little bit of rivalries and our throwback three last week was rivalry. This week, our throwback three, based off of this, is just going to be sports brawls.

Speaker 2 Again, not condoning the violence, but there's been some

Speaker 2 good ones. And we just had the Malice in the Palace anniversary.
And it is what creates rivalries. Now,

Speaker 2 I, I do, I just don't want them to go away. And I have a hard time wrapping my head around it it because in my profession,

Speaker 2 it's like the opposite of rivalries. I'm sure there's some budgets.
There's got to be rivalries. You just don't really hear about it.
You don't really hear.

Speaker 2 I know whatever's public, and there was even behind the scenes talk. Like, I know The Rock and Vin Diesel had a little bit of a thing during Fast and the Furious.
I wouldn't quite call it a rivalry.

Speaker 2 And I think they're friends again. Like us with Entourage.

Speaker 2 Network TV shows would probably have rivalries back in the day. Like if you're on ABC and you have a sitcom, you're trying to win the night.

Speaker 2 You're trying to win the Thursday night ratings war versus whoever on NBC. So I could see that and that's all gone because network TVs.

Speaker 2 Maybe if you're, if you guys, I mean, you guys were up for a lot of awards, right? And did you lose? I know you said you guys lost a bunch, right?

Speaker 2 Did you lose to the same you lost to the same show every year?

Speaker 2 So, yeah, we lost, I think, six or seven straight years for ME for best comedy.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I guess our rivalries with Entourage, I don't even think power had rivalries because we were doing like our own thing.

Speaker 2 we oh and this is how we tried to always handle it we tried to organize whether it's pickup basketball or softball it was always the office beat us like five of the seven years we lost yeah they had a run scrubs we we just used to talk trash with because they i think donald phase like they just fancied themselves

Speaker 2 no no they didn't beat us for an emmy i think they just fancied themselves athletically good and we were like we'll beat you guys in anything and we wanted to involve the crew too not just cast cast and crew let's get some of the grips some of the teamsters did that never happen by the way that's amazing did that ever never never got it um you know obviously seth green was a great rivalry on the show so and he's on this great tour right now matt and we have the on the episode with the entourage guys coming out soon

Speaker 2 randomly seth green ran into Emmanuel Shrieke who played sloan and he posts a picture on Instagram got millions of views the next day i think he innocently runs into Kevin Dylan, posts a photo, and he's posting like 50 cent, like many men wish death upon me as his music.

Speaker 2 And then the week after that, he was with Connolly and he posted all three photos. So I just did the victory podcast.
Connolly's got it back going.

Speaker 2 And I think they're going to have Seth Green and Emmanuel on the same episode. You got to get an invite too.

Speaker 2 Well, here's what Connolly's doing is brilliant. He's taking on this persona of, I'm going to reject you before you have a chance to reject me.
Meaning he's going to invite you on, Matt.

Speaker 2 He's going to say, hey, Matt, why don't you come on the pod? Or you know what? Or don't. Like, don't.
If you're busy, don't, just don't even, I don't care. One way or the other.

Speaker 2 We'd love to have you, but I truly don't care if you come on. He did that to me, and it worked.
He made me feel like I wanted to go that much more. So I think that's dropping soon.

Speaker 2 But yeah, there's no real rivalry.

Speaker 2 Maybe like an actor who's like actors who like dated the same girl or something. Maybe there's something like personal there.
I can't really talk about rivalry, but there is beef.

Speaker 2 And the only other real beef I remember, it's another Seth. And if you ask him, he probably doesn't even remember.
And he certainly won the beef. It was Seth Rogan.

Speaker 2 So Seth

Speaker 2 Rogan. Or with the show.

Speaker 2 Well, with the show and mainly Doug. But also, we were the actors, which always gets me.
We're the actors on the show getting paid to say lines. You're going to be mad at me for the line I said.
But

Speaker 2 he said something in an interview where he had an HBO pilot that was almost ready to go the same time Entourage was. And at some point, HBO is picking between the shows.

Speaker 2 We're either going to pick up this, this, or that. They didn't pick up his show.
They picked up Entourage. So in this interview, and he's like, nah, and they pick up Entourage.

Speaker 2 And who the hell watches Entourage? Meanwhile, seven straight Emmys.

Speaker 2 But and he talks all this shit. Now, Doug sees this, and Doug is not, you know, if Doug gets pissed, he puts it in his work.

Speaker 2 We had a whole episode dedicated, I don't know if you recall, to talking about the fact that Seth Rogan was ugly. The whole episode.
And my character. I'd be pissed too.

Speaker 2 Or did you, or was your character the one that was talking about? My character is the one that's like, I don't understand. Now, Catherine Heigl goes home with him and knocked up.
She's beautiful.

Speaker 2 It's awful. I even remember telling Doug, like, Doug, do we really have to do this? He's like, it's funny.
I'm like,

Speaker 2 I don't know this guy.

Speaker 2 Tell me you've run into him over the last few days. No, but then I think, I do think he

Speaker 2 on some red carpet after that talked a bunch of and then like he's run into dylan and i think dylan even told him like you know we didn't write that right like we're just dude what holding a grudge all these years well by the way you won seth you won he's balling yeah you're you've been balling you won you if there was a rivalry in beef you gotta get we gotta get him on he would never in a million years come on and talk to us ever because of me probably no but that would be

Speaker 2 or we would or he might just say you know what jerry i'm gonna come on and talk right to his face i've been i've been waiting to say this for 15 years look i still will say i didn't love it at the no i didn't love it at the time just turt like talking about we didn't do that on the show often where we purposely like we called someone ugly over and over again so yeah anyway seth rogan if you're listening which you are not you do have a good shoe game you stepped up your shoe game yeah no we're gonna get i like seth rogan I watch his movies.

Speaker 2 Seth's great. He's funny.
Do you know him? No.

Speaker 2 I'd just love to listen to him talk to you.

Speaker 2 I never met him. Anyway,

Speaker 2 so yeah, that's it. That's all I really got.
No rivalries in acting. Let's move on.
Because it's time to do...

Speaker 2 You know, I'm getting a little sip right here. It's time to do our Wendy's, can't get enough sauce moment of the week.
Matt, I don't know how you're going to feel about mine.

Speaker 2 I think I can lead off. I'm going to probably co-sign with you on this one, I think.

Speaker 2 So it's not often we like to highlight a moment that is one of us, but I'm going to highlight one of mine as the saucy moment of the week. Right.
It's elf on the shelf season. Parents out there,

Speaker 2 the commitment that it takes to do it. We've really only been doing it now for two or three years.

Speaker 2 Brie, my lovely wife, also at some point was like, you know, I do hate that we're, oh, timeout yeah parents if there's kids in your car turn it off turn it off for now or then turn us back

Speaker 2 to it later but if there are kids who are you know just you don't want your little ones to hear this part right

Speaker 2 bree was like i don't really love that we're lying to i love how you're whispering now like they could be scary we don't love that we're lying to jacob about elf on the shelf and santa and in the same breath she's sending me instagram videos about how we kid most kids only believe in santa until eight or nine years old.

Speaker 2 We only got three years left. I took all that energy and I've channeled it into my elf on the shelf.
You've been on fire, by the way. You've been on fire.
Fire. Hundreds of thousands of views.

Speaker 2 I am getting some help from Instagram. I'm

Speaker 2 farming it out and putting my own spin, but now my goal is to have 24 days of just

Speaker 2 awesome elf on the shelf. So by the way, great sauce, great, great saucy.
I'm with you. That's the same for me.

Speaker 2 My question to you is, though,

Speaker 2 why are you starting it so early that's a wonderful question

Speaker 2 we usually do like a week before oh really i think and again that's sensible honestly dude i'm i've never been more proud of you in my life because josie handles all of that for her i'm getting encouragement people are dming me like this is great keep it going like don't just move you are just getting from the table to the chandelier major brownie points dude At some point, I'm going to run out of stuff.

Speaker 2 That game is going to look real nice there. Come January 1.
At some point, I'm going to run out of stuff. Let's be honest.
So

Speaker 2 I think, so Elf on the Shelf, I love it. I think it's great.
I think it's just, it's, it's cute. And like, and, and you and I are, are

Speaker 2 in the same boat of like, I think Christmas is just such a fun time, I think, because of our kids' ages, right?

Speaker 2 How's, how's the, how's, the holiday season

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 nuts.

Speaker 2 Just, I feel like once you hit, because we and I talked about this a couple weeks ago, like the Christmas trees and decorations were up, like November, we had the date, like the wives like picked November 15th or whatever the hell that was.

Speaker 2 Trees are up. We're actually decorating the tree this week.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
So I feel like once Thanksgiving's over, it's all of a sudden your calendar is just filled up like everything.

Speaker 2 Are you for it? Are you against it? How do we feel about it? I mean, what's the holiday season like over there in Cleveland?

Speaker 2 There is fifth, we went through this family calendar and then I want to get your I don't know if this is this leading into your sauce moment or no? No, you no, I'm just I'm agreeing with you.

Speaker 2 My sauce moment is your sauce.

Speaker 2 We have 15

Speaker 2 Christmas things planned and Bri already screwed up. Check this out.
And we're going to Wendy's, thank you for giving us the time to talk about this.

Speaker 2 First one out of 15 was we were going to go to this, it was basically like Christmas, like a Christmas carol sing-along at this theater downtown.

Speaker 2 And we get there and she misread it because it was actually the cleveland orchestra there's people in suits there's not another kid to be seen in the whole place and my boys

Speaker 2 in a in a 80 piece orchestra wondering where santa is so we're 0 for one what time dude it's it's i mean there's only like polar express we go on a train ride we did that we go on a train ride we have a brunch with santa it's it's it's well how do you have 15 there's only like less than 24 weeks and 15 events do the math holy there's there's plenty of time plenty of time what we do for love ladies and gentlemen yeah love or just some of that free alone time that you're gonna get after with on the golf course i'm i'm hoping it translates i hope bri i hope brie because she's gonna listen to this and she's gonna you know like i just want to i hope brie just acknowledges just what a what how much thoughtfulness goes into elf and the shelf because i acknowledge it about josie i think it's like i'm like you did you wrote a whole letter what on monday morning She fully knows that I took what she started because she also had some births and has left me alone with this.

Speaker 2 I took

Speaker 2 what has started, and now I'm trying to like Jordan flu game it. I'm trying to just put the team on my back, lead them to victory, and move on.

Speaker 2 At the very least, I deserve some Wendy's saucy nugs out of this whole thing.

Speaker 2 Jordan flu game of elf on the shelf. Shout outs to Wendy's.
Thank you very much. And we are going to come right back with Josh Dumel.

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Speaker 2 And look, we're officially rolling, so we don't necessarily have to start here, but Josh, do you remember you and I did play in that DirecTV beach ball thing together?

Speaker 2 I don't know if you remember how many times you played, and I absolutely destroyed a now mutual friend of ours, Kevin Dillon.

Speaker 2 I lit, it was like Justin Jefferson lighting up some D, some, some DB they got off the practice squad. I lit him apart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sadly, Justin Jefferson would have been like a first grader when we played in that.

Speaker 2 He might have been born. I think that was his birthday.

Speaker 1 It was the year that we played in that. That was fun, though.

Speaker 1 I don't remember them doing that after that year.

Speaker 2 They stopped it because I think it was always DirecTV. And then I think once DirecTV kind of doesn't have as big of a presence now, so Super Bowl Week,

Speaker 2 they no longer do that. Matt, would you have a quarterback in one of those? Because you guys play some flat.
You do something together, right? Where you get to where you throw?

Speaker 2 Well, i did i did quarterback or i did play in that beach bowl uh the miami one i was a coach of a team that won i remember we coached uh i coached blake lively and a bunch of other people's hystericals i think it was like 2006 was that or 2007 was the miami one um wow and then josh and i played uh in this rx3 event uh down in orange county um A lot of former quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 Aaron Rodgers, a big investor in this company, like guys like Josh Allen. And it's pretty cool, dude.
Like it was, and actually,

Speaker 2 that's the last time I saw you. And I will just say, we, we, I, I won.
My team won that, and I was fired up. It was like the, it was like the uh, the best team I've ever been on.

Speaker 2 It was an unbelievable team.

Speaker 2 Did you stick? Did you stick around for the playoffs?

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 2 don't think

Speaker 2 you didn't see any hoisted trophies.

Speaker 1 I don't remember, I don't remember sticking around for the whole thing, but I remember just watching, you know, even that, the level of competition. There's some real players in there.

Speaker 1 I had one, there was one dude, one of the teams

Speaker 1 that literally wanted to fight.

Speaker 1 I haven't been that close to like an on-field brawl my whole life until that, that little R, that little, you know, flag football tournament.

Speaker 1 This kid was like up in my grill just trying to, I was like, what am I doing here? I'm like a 50-year-old man instead of a sophomore in college trying to pick a fight with me.

Speaker 1 Well, I was like, maybe it's time for me to go home.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I mean, honestly, speaking of brawls did you see um

Speaker 2 i know we're going to talk about your vikings but did you see the college football brawls this weekend did you get a chance to kind of just see all of the shit talking everything that went down it was pretty much every rivalry game had a had a flag planted or a punch thrown

Speaker 1 which i was kind of awesome i got to be honest with you it's kind of awesome Well, you know, I think you got to know that when you're going to go plant the flag in the middle of the other team's, you know, home field,

Speaker 1 punches are going to fly.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I tried to to think john i often try to find with this show like what's the intersection of like sports and pop culture and entertainment and acting i can't really find any kind of hollywood rivalry that could emulate anything like ohio ohio state michigan i know like the rock and vin diesel and fast and the furious there was like a thing and we had drake and kendrick right that would that's well that we got that's that's the best one that's the best one right

Speaker 2 i would say so by far like you didn't have any rivals right

Speaker 2 Yeah, is there anyone that you just, you just wanted to punch him in the face? Is there a guy out there?

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I've been lucky that way. Eric Dane and I almost got into it one time on an unset, though.
We laugh about it now, but it was like just a total misunderstanding.

Speaker 1 Let's do one of those little fake fights where it gets all heated and he grabs me, I grab him. Well, I grabbed his tie

Speaker 1 by accident and like it pulled down and like tightened. And he's pushing me off.
He's like, dude, I'm so sorry about that. Then we had to read, you know, reset and do it again.

Speaker 1 And sure enough, I never play again. And he got really pissed.
And it turned into like a thing.

Speaker 1 But we, we, we patched it up right afterwards. It was, you know, I wasn't trying to, you know, choke him out.
Right.

Speaker 2 That's the most we get, Matt.

Speaker 1 We don't get that.

Speaker 1 That was the best I could come up with. What about you, Jerry?

Speaker 2 You know, I

Speaker 2 tried to really think that the extent of what I could come up with was we did have like a a little beef with Seth Rogan on the show.

Speaker 2 We said some things on entourage about him that were attempted to be funny. He didn't take it that way.

Speaker 2 But no, for us, we would try to organize like softball games versus the office or versus Scrubs, find like one of the other comedies and be like, you know what, let's try to do something athletic.

Speaker 2 And we never actually got to it.

Speaker 2 You know, I remember being younger,

Speaker 2 auditioning against the same three guys every time and not that they were rivals and we were all nice to each other, but in my mind, the competitiveness kicked in where I wanted wanted to win and get the part fortunately you hardly ever get the part in what we do you know so

Speaker 2 yeah we don't got nothing matt you guys are way way cooler than us we're we're artsy farts like matt yeah

Speaker 2 hey you played ball i you played ball back in the day we should just jump right into that i mean talk about your your what your college career well let's talk about your son's college career first i heard he was going to smu yeah pretty cool man you saw him you saw him i think at the at the flag tournament he was so he was so that would have been two years ago almost.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, he was a freshman or sophomore. And yeah, he just committed last month.
So he's still got another year, but pretty wild.

Speaker 2 Like, Jerry and I talk about it on this all the time, just, you know, just being dads.

Speaker 2 And like, like for me now, for him to kind of, I don't even want to say follow in my footsteps because he's definitely paved his own way and he's really worked hard at this.

Speaker 2 And he's kind of starting to embrace like, hey, I'm going to be a football player and that's fine.

Speaker 2 But it's been really, it's been really cool because I just get to be a dad and watch him. You know, and obviously I give him advice and

Speaker 2 I've been through the ups and downs of sports and football at the highest levels. But it's pretty cool, dude.
So yeah, we're fired up. And yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, offline, I'm going to pick your brain about, you know, how you, how you do that. I got an 11-year-old who finally is into sports.

Speaker 2 Let me know.

Speaker 1 Not football, not yet. He's actually getting into football a little bit, but he loves soccer.

Speaker 2 Soccer, yeah.

Speaker 1 And he just, he's just obsessed with it. And he's gotten really good over the last couple years.
He was terrible. Actually, the last year, he really improved.
Um,

Speaker 1 and it's like, how do you like, how much do you push or how much do you just let them sort of do their own thing? I think

Speaker 2 my 11-month-old is going to be, he's, he's, he's going to be, my wife is six foot.

Speaker 1 I'm six foot. He's probably going to be huge.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 How do I start grooming him? How do I start grooming him right now to become a star quarterback, Matt Leonard?

Speaker 1 If I do the total,

Speaker 1 What was the quarterback at USC back in the day?

Speaker 2 Oh, you're talking about, oh, I know who you're talking about, Marinovich, right? Marinovich. Marinovich, his dad used to shoot.

Speaker 2 Dude, I'm not sure we're going to be able to do that. When he was

Speaker 2 11 months old. Yeah, we don't want to go down that path, Josh.
We don't want to go down that path. Listen,

Speaker 2 I have a three-year-old. I can already see it.
My three-year-old, my three-year-old has all the talent in the world. I just don't think he gives two shits yet.

Speaker 2 My five-year-old, not as much talent, but cares and like is going to be good because he works hard.

Speaker 2 You and I will have a conversation because also like there's, we've talked about this too, like club sports. And is your oldest play, is he playing club soccer?

Speaker 1 He's about to try out for the first time this year. He's playing AYSO right now.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, it just gets, it's just, it's hyper-competitive.
And I think it's like, what is too much? And what is, I, like, I have a conversation with my brother all the time.

Speaker 2 I have an 11-year-old nephew who's a really good baseball player, but club, all this. And I, and I just ask him, because I get asked this question.
I said, what's like, what is, what is the goal?

Speaker 2 Like, what is your end goal? Is it for him to be high school soccer? Is it to be college?

Speaker 2 And then you kind of can start to like mold and just kind of figure out like, what's the best path for him to be the most successful high school soccer player or college, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 So I'd be happy to have that conversation. It's not easy, man.
It's been hard, but it's also like, it's a lot of work. And then, and then it's just, they have to love it.
You know, they have to

Speaker 2 want to put in the work. So

Speaker 1 if you're righty or left, you have to get.

Speaker 2 He's a righty. He's a righty.

Speaker 1 he's a righty yeah i remember i remember when i was out there i knew that he was your son i was like hey dude i want to show off my arm you guys were playing catch i remember no well not really because i threw one it went about seven feet over his head i was like you know what that's it

Speaker 1 well i short arm or i short armed it into the dirt or something i remember it was pretty embarrassing he looked at me like really you played quarterback I don't think, I mean, you played in college, right?

Speaker 2 So I don't, I don't know if a lot of people know that about you. What, what type of...
And then I think I read somewhere where you almost went to dental school. Is that, is that it? So you're,

Speaker 2 this is like the craziest journey ever. It's like dental school.
QB slash dental

Speaker 2 Hollywood star slash Hollywood star. Like, like, how, how on earth did you get to this point?

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's all true. I played football at Maya State University, Go Beavers.

Speaker 1 I'm sure you've heard of it.

Speaker 2 Good logo. Good logo.

Speaker 1 Good logo.

Speaker 1 Back in the mid-90s,

Speaker 1 loved it.

Speaker 1 I love sports, love football. It was like my, I thought I was going to be a professional football player.
And then I realized I wasn't nearly good enough early on.

Speaker 1 And then I got my degree in biology with the intent to go to dental school.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 moved to California. And I told my mom I was going because I wanted, I was going to try to get into dental school at either USC or UCSF or UOP or one of those good dental schools.

Speaker 1 But I think I was just saying that because I really wanted to do this. I just didn't know how.
And I wanted to like sniff around or, you know,

Speaker 1 dip my toes in the water and see, you know, what it was about. Because, you know, as you know, Jerry, I had no blueprint.
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 I came straight out of North Dakota as far from the entertainment industry as you can get. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, but I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the DATs. I started applying the whole thing.

Speaker 2 I feel like you would have had a great practice and not trying to type cast you as a dentist. I feel like you would have had a predominantly female clientele.

Speaker 2 I feel like 25-year-old Josh is a dentist, buttoned up, handsome guys. I feel like you would have had a lot of ladies.
You had three cleanings this month. What are you doing back here?

Speaker 2 I just, we just cleaned your teeth. Could you imagine

Speaker 2 how different? Isn't it crazy how like one decision?

Speaker 2 Obviously, you've had so much success, but it's like, if you would have just maybe like Jerry, like not stuck it out, or you waited for the audition or a role and you're just like, you know what, I'm over this.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go to dental school. How different your life would be.
That would, that would be crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, it's,

Speaker 1 it is, I think about that a lot as far as, you know, when I hear somebody say, if I just would have done this or that, but I think that,

Speaker 1 you know, I think that we make these decisions and, and it isn't, it isn't one way or the other. I think that you,

Speaker 1 and it's not a right or wrong decision. I think that if you make a decision, you're going to make a lot of right decisions after that one.
You're going to make some wrong ones.

Speaker 1 But, you know, if you just keep

Speaker 1 the intent of what you're trying to go do,

Speaker 1 you will eventually get there. If you keep your eye on that target and try to keep it as specific as you can.

Speaker 1 I think I saw Peyton Manning say something like that one time where I never made a wrong decision because whenever I make a decision, I make sure that it's the right one.

Speaker 1 I do everything after that to make sure it's the right one. You know, and there's a lot to that.
Yep.

Speaker 1 So it's not, it's not, people say it's not, you you know, it's, it's who you know, or it's, it's a lucky break. But yeah, you'll get those.
But then

Speaker 1 do you capitalize on that window of opportunity once you get one? And do you recognize that window of opportunity?

Speaker 1 You know, because oftentimes you got one right in front of you and you don't take advantage of it or you have a fear of success and you do something to self-sabotage.

Speaker 2 I say that all the time.

Speaker 1 I've done that myself.

Speaker 2 You know, a lot of people say, oh, if I only had the shot, but sometimes they're caught up in something else and they don't realize that there's tons of shots right in front of them if they could just clear their head a little bit.

Speaker 2 We're going to move on to a deeper football talk in a sec. I got one last selfish thing.
My five-year-old now is

Speaker 2 super into Transformers, right? So, and we watched the old, I showed him like the old cartoon that I used to watch and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 But then I started, I hand-picked clips to show him of the movie because some of it's not really appropriate for him just yet. Right.

Speaker 2 And this morning before school, I was showing him one clip and you pop on the screen. So forgive me, I'm like, that's your Uncle Josh, Jacob.
You haven't met him yet.

Speaker 2 So you don't even know you have a nephew. He's going to, if you ever meet my son, he's like, that's my uncle Josh who's in Transformers.

Speaker 2 But what I wanted to really quick ask on that, because like, I've never really, I've never, I mean, I've auditioned for some franchise stuff, but what was that Transformers process?

Speaker 2 You talk about opportunity. You have to know in that moment, Transformers, they're launching this whole franchise.

Speaker 2 I'm sure there was so many people gunning for parts in that movie you know what was that what was getting the part that process like for you well i remember it like it was yesterday so i was meeting um

Speaker 1 with two of his two of bae's producing partners uh

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 on a movie called the hitcher sure so i'm sitting there in this meeting trying to get a part on the hitcher and base sticks his head in and says hey just want to say hi uh i'm working on this movie uh transformers uh remake of the i was like what that sounds terrible idea

Speaker 1 it's that cartoon from the 80s that's going to be an awful movie

Speaker 1 so i gotta go but i do i go over afterwards and i say hello and he shows me some of the artwork that they have some of the you know the the preemptive sort of stuff that they've been working on and i was like oh now i get it you know it was a complete reimagination of what we knew as kids.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 of course, I really wanted to get the part. They had me in a little bit later,

Speaker 1 a month or so later, to read for it. And

Speaker 1 I ended up getting the part. And, you know, I ended up doing four of those things.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was incredible.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, Michael Bay gets a gets a bad rap a lot of times because he's, you know, he's, you know, they say he's a screamer and he's a dictator and he's all these things, but he's awesome.

Speaker 1 He really is. He's a, he's a really fun guy to work with.
He's, and part of that whole reputation he has fun with. He likes to lean into that a bit.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it was a good, solid 10 years of

Speaker 1 my life pretty much on and off making those movies.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like I'm lined up to watch all those a million more times with the way my five-year-old is trending.

Speaker 1 Boys love that stuff now. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just, I just got him a

Speaker 2 couple of Decepticons. Like, yeah, I need the bad guys now.
And I'm always the bad guy. I'm always Megatron.

Speaker 2 All right, we're clearing the decks now because what we really wanted to talk to you about, your Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, baby.

Speaker 2 Oh, 10-2. Now,

Speaker 2 he's holding up, for those just listening, he's holding up a really cool Vikings, purple and gold football. Yeah, skull.

Speaker 2 Look, two years ago, I'm sure you must have been excited.

Speaker 2 And really, really good season. Coach had a great year.
Lost to my Giants in that first round game. I did feel two years ago it was.

Speaker 2 I don't want to say fraudulent because I don't want to take away from what they were doing. They were winning a lot of close games.

Speaker 2 Now, this year, they're doing the same thing, winning a lot of close games, but also they just have playmakers all over the field. And that defense looks insane.

Speaker 2 So, how are you feeling about your 10-2 Minnesota Vikings?

Speaker 1 Well, I'll start with your boy Daniel Jones is now a Viking.

Speaker 2 That's what my Christmas present to you. We sent you Daniel Jones.
There you go. Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 You watch KLC turn him into an amazing quarterback.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Matt always says that.

Speaker 2 Dude, I tell him all the time, man, where you get drafted, it matters as a quarterback. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 Look at Sam.

Speaker 2 Everything.

Speaker 1 It's everything. I mean, look at what Donald's doing right now.

Speaker 2 The Red Hammer.

Speaker 1 Started with the Jets. Then he went to the Panthers.
And, you know, they thought he was a bust.

Speaker 1 And he's turning out to be the player they thought he was going to be because he's in the right situation now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you get with the right coach and the right system and the right weapons around you. It can really change.
I mean, the guy was drafted, what, fourth overall?

Speaker 2 I think third overall. Third overall.
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 You know, that's not by mistake. The guy clearly had a ton of talent, and now he's able to kind of show that off.
And I think that a lot of those,

Speaker 1 you know, a lot of those licks that he took in New York and in Carolina help him sort of appreciate the opportunity now. He's much smarter.

Speaker 1 He's probably a lot more humble than he was because, you know, he understands

Speaker 1 how difficult it is to find a home where you can succeed. But I'm stoked about it.
You know, it's one of those years where I usually have huge hopes for this team. This year I had none

Speaker 1 because we were, you know, we didn't know. I didn't know if Donald was, I kept hearing don't sleep on Darnold.
That's what they kept telling me from my friends over there. Right.

Speaker 1 And sure enough, he's been great. You know, McCarthy gets hurt.
I just figured it was going to be one of those years we just sort of build. But it's been fun to watch.
You know, they're 10 and 2 now.

Speaker 1 Those Lions are tough. That NFC North is, you know, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 I think it's the toughest division. Oh, it's the toughest three.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, you know, I don't know if we're as good as the Lions, but we could beat them on the right day any given Sunday.
You know,

Speaker 1 it's one of those years you don't know who's going to win it. You really, there's not one clear best team, I don't think.
What do you guys think?

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Matt. You kick that off.
But

Speaker 2 I have similar feelings.

Speaker 2 NFL is tough. And we look, I think the Lions,

Speaker 2 based on last year and then just how they're playing, I look at like, you got to have a defense to win. And then are you balancing?

Speaker 2 Can you run the football in the playoffs, especially well, and also Detroit's going to have home field.

Speaker 2 I kind of feel like it's their year. I'm kind of rooting for them in that sense.

Speaker 2 In the same way that I'm rooting for Minnesota, I think you guys deserve to make a run and win a championship. I also like Buffalo too, man.
Like

Speaker 2 I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. I always have been.

Speaker 2 And we know. I mean,

Speaker 2 he's a great dude. He's just like, he's a, he's just a beast.
I love watching him play.

Speaker 2 And I just kind of feel like maybe this is their year. Again, we say that every year.
And then Mahomes, they do what they do in the playoffs. But I picked

Speaker 1 a Lions bills super bowl is is what i'm i'm predicting here so i could see that i could see that i'm going to be at the uh vikings packers game in minnesota on the 29th i can't wait for that that's we may we may take them too we play them where at home or do we play them in detroit we got one more game against them i think you have him uh at home

Speaker 2 but oddly enough because we talked about this last week uh

Speaker 2 if goff does get the one seed and even if they make the super bowl he will have played three outdoor games the entire year between Between playing in like Minnesota and New Orleans for the Super Bowl at home.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he would have played three outdoor games the whole year. So it makes the argument for some teams building a dome that are these outdoor teams.
But I wouldn't do that in Buffalo.

Speaker 2 Like you mentioned, Josh Allen watching him play in the snow. That guy is built to play.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a lot of fun to watch. You know, to go back to our point earlier.
Look at what Goff is doing in Detroit. Talk about being in the right situation now.

Speaker 1 I mean, they were ready to write that dude off, too.

Speaker 2 Well, you talk, well, Sam, Sam went from, I was just thinking, he went to the Niners too. So he played.
So

Speaker 2 I told Jerry, O'Connell is fantastic.

Speaker 2 Obviously, Shanahan, if you're a quarterback and you look at like Daniel Jones, like you go to these places just to like reset button, you get taught.

Speaker 2 Cause I played for Kubiak in Houston, which was Mike Shanahan, was literally that whole offense. So I just know firsthand, like the development and how they teach that position is just, it's just.

Speaker 2 different. It's like, it's hard to explain to like to people who haven't played the position, but it is just like, it's like a confidence booster.

Speaker 2 I don't know how else to explain it, but they teach it the right way.

Speaker 2 I played for Denny Green. Rest in peace.
Denny was great. And he was obviously a Minnesota coach.
Do you have those teams were, gosh, Culpepper, Moss.

Speaker 2 Do you have a favorite memory or a game or maybe as a kid?

Speaker 2 I know you grew up in North Dakota, but a kid

Speaker 2 in that era of football for the Vikings?

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 It's mostly, you know, the memories are mostly heartbreak, to be honest. Remember, I think we were 15 15 and one with under dancing that's right

Speaker 2 99

Speaker 1 yeah i think you're right we'll find out with moth and they just they were stacked they had just a ton robert smith i think robert smith robert smith culpepper or was yeah it was culpepper that

Speaker 1 yeah um anyway we you know but I also have a lot of great memories, especially the last few years. They used to be a team that we always were just sort of like,

Speaker 1 what are they going to do?

Speaker 2 They're going to blow it. They're going to blow it.

Speaker 1 But they haven't been doing that under O'Connell, which has been fun to watch.

Speaker 1 You know, he's really got them believing they can win and they should win, which is half the battle, as I'm sure you would probably attest to. And so I was at the

Speaker 1 Minneapolis Miracle game.

Speaker 2 Oh, gosh. That was such.
I remember where I was when I watched that game.

Speaker 1 Oh, God, that was unbelievable. I mean, I couldn't believe it.
You know, we got Sean Payton, like, they can't, I don't know if you remember the game, but they can't. We were up the whole game.

Speaker 1 They come back and take the lead with like 15 seconds left or whatever it was and he's like

Speaker 1 to the crowd i'm like this motherfucker

Speaker 1 and you know especially after what he already did like back with the uh bounty gate years before that i just this guy just he's not my favorite

Speaker 1 he's got denver rolling right now though but anyway but that was uh

Speaker 1 that was probably my favorite uh memory especially in person digs just crying

Speaker 2 crying. I remember they showed too on Thanksgiving, like this stat.
What Randy Moss, three catches for 170 yards and three touchdowns. I've had to read it like four times.

Speaker 2 I was like, wait, is that a real three? I looked at the math. I looked at the math here.

Speaker 2 Can you get that many yards

Speaker 2 on only three catches? Yeah, Moss was by far from me. You know, I'm not a giant Viking fan by any stretch, but one of my favorite players.
Now, for you, this weekend is, you know,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 And does Kirk Cousins coming back does he get cheated you're not gonna boo him right kirk cousins gets in the pause i don't think they'll boo kirk he he he was he become pretty he became pretty beloved um

Speaker 1 you know he had a great last couple of years there um i was a i was pretty critical but i grew to really like the guy just because i felt like he was

Speaker 1 they were you just he paid him so much and just felt like he was never winning the big ones but he did start to win a lot of big games for him you know so i have to you know eat some crow and give him his props because he turned out to be a good quarterback.

Speaker 1 He struggled last week. I hope he does the same this next week.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you need one more week of those struggles. Did you see the QB on Netflix where they had, I don't know if you saw that doc.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think it was cool to see, because I know Kirk a little bit.
It's cool to see kind of just peeling back the layers of like the everyday life of these guys.

Speaker 2 And you realize Kirk was like, I always, I always.

Speaker 2 describe Stafford as like one of the toughest dudes you'll ever see at that position, just what he's endorse. Kirk is like that.
Kirk has taken a beating over the years, and that dude just continues.

Speaker 2 He plays at a high level, man. Like he, he always has, you know, he's a warrior.

Speaker 1 Stands in that pocket.

Speaker 2 Dude, he's not that big. He just gets blasted.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I was, I was terrified at Minas State University. I don't know how you did that for as long as you did, Matt.

Speaker 2 Josh, I, I cover, I get to cover college football, which is awesome.

Speaker 2 And I see these college kids and I literally tell myself, I'm like, and I'm like, you know, I've lost like 20 pounds since I played, but still I was like, what was I thinking, man?

Speaker 2 Like, I don't know what I was, and now my oldest, my, but I think it's like one of those things as we get older, I think you're like, you're just like, it's not like fear, but it's just like, as I got later in my career, I was like, man, like, I don't want to get hurt anymore.

Speaker 2 I just want to like, you kind of like. collect a paycheck and you just ride it as long as possible.
Obviously, whereas when you're young, you're just like, you don't really give a shit.

Speaker 2 You're just out there. You're getting blasted.
You're getting up. And my son's that, my son doesn't care.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, man, I used to have that mentality, but now when when I watch these kids, I'm like, dude, if I got hit right now, I'd break in half. I'd literally break in half.

Speaker 2 It's not fun. And you're not that far removed.

Speaker 1 Imagine being my 52-year-old ass and trying to, you know, think about.

Speaker 2 But I'll say this, man.

Speaker 2 You are the most handsome 52-year-old we know.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 thanks, man. I am in full hair and makeup right now.

Speaker 2 I do. The salt and pepper.
Salt and pepper is a good look.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 2 I did text uh i guess a mutual friend of ours i know him a little bit you probably know him much better nick swartson who's the only other vikings fan i know that's really all in and uh i asked i texted him real quick i'm like josh is coming on who's a bigger vikings fan for real you or him he said me not even close not even close me ask him about tickle balls that's the only sport he knows if you know swartzen that was that was the most swartzon text i think he could have sent back very operating

Speaker 1 he hates it when they mention me as a Vikings fan and not him.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 You're not even from Minnesota.

Speaker 2 What are you doing? You're from North Dakota. Josh, I used to live right on like Fountain and Holloway, where that Barney's beanery is in West Hollywood, right? During my single day.

Speaker 2 I used to walk from my apartment to that restaurant, Hugo's, it's called, on Santa Monica Boulevard. Sometimes I'd go on the Sunday afternoon and I would walk.

Speaker 2 And if the Vikings were ever playing the late game out west, Swartzen would be at Barney's. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Adrian Peterson jersey by himself sometimes like just screaming at the tv i i really think he is number one definitely in hollywood but maybe up there all time vikings fan yeah he's a huge vikings fan that's how we bonded really we became that's how when i first met him he was he's wearing a twins hat and i was like are you a twins fan he's like i'm from minnesota like what

Speaker 2 before you cast him did that how much did that factor into you casting him when you directed buddy game well i'm obviously a huge fan of his too i think he's hilarious

Speaker 1 but it did make it easier you know convincing him to come do the movie um you know your boy kevin dylan all you know i've i've gotten to know a lot of you guys now the only one i don't know is adrian but i played golf with kevin the other day oh you did so yeah i get i i know the whole crew with connolly or connolly well both connolly i haven't played golf with dylan yet but uh you know we've done the two movies now with dylan yeah

Speaker 1 nicest guys in the world man really i mean kevin dylan is just a sweetheart isn't he?

Speaker 2 He, yeah, we had him on

Speaker 2 all of them on the pod a few weeks ago. We haven't even aired the episode yet because it takes like four years to edit those guys because we just went for like two hours.

Speaker 2 So we're going to drop that one. I was in heaven, man.
That was great. It really was awesome with those two.
But then when I heard

Speaker 2 he was going to do the movie with you and then I saw Swartzen, I was like, oh, man, that's going to be awesome. And now, like, I can't even be in Buddy Games 3 if there's another one.

Speaker 2 You're not going to cast me and Dylan together.

Speaker 2 You wouldn't go down that road, would you i'm thinking about doing a third actually do it those are awesome movies well i appreciate that it's it's yeah hey matt you well here let me before can i get like a two-second kiss

Speaker 1 let me pitch you the idea first so i so i want to call it bloody games okay it'd be like it'd be the last one and it's like a think scream you know like a comedy horror And we just kill every character brutally and hilariously.

Speaker 2 And who's going to say that?

Speaker 2 I feel like you kill me in the opening title sequence. And then I feel like Leiner gets it after Act One.
No, actually, I should kill some. I throw a football.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 I should kill somebody, like just some random, like stupid way to die.

Speaker 1 That's all ideas. So honestly, I was thinking about that.
It was actually Nick's idea.

Speaker 1 But I think it'd be fun. I don't know.

Speaker 2 All right. You don't have to cast me.
All I want is, can I just, could you and I have a conversation about if Dylan doesn't survive and gets whacked, how we kill, how you kill Dylan.

Speaker 2 Can I just be in the writer's room for that?

Speaker 1 Please, I'll take whatever.

Speaker 1 He's really going to get it. I mean, he's going to, his is going to be long and painful.

Speaker 2 Do like an homage to the blob, maybe. Kevin famously was in the blob in like 79.
We could do a blob homage.

Speaker 1 Dude, I can't believe how long that dude's been in the business.

Speaker 2 I think about that all the time. When he started Entourage, we're about, I'm like his age now.

Speaker 2 And by that point, he was already platoon, the doors, like all the blah, all these crazy movies and who knew that he's also one of the funniest people around town so yeah he's a good dude really good dude i gotta tell the story i

Speaker 2 this is good i hope it's an acting story matt i hate it acting story so it made me think of throwing a football at somebody so I was, I was right out of college and I was in House Bunny.

Speaker 2 So one of Sandler's movies. So he reached out and I made a cameo with Sean Salisbury.
So we're at, I'll never forget, dude, it was the funniest shit ever.

Speaker 2 So we're at the Playboy Mansion and we're shooting a pool scene and it's me and Salisbury talking. And then Anna Ferris comes in with whoever else.
And this is like our whole thing. And then

Speaker 2 I, there's one where I'm throwing a football to somebody. And then obviously, so this is after the scene.
So now I'm practicing takes of throwing a football and I have to drill.

Speaker 2 this dude in the back in the pool or something. And like, I'm like, there's like, you know, hundreds of people there on set.
Sandler's making fun of me, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 And I'm just like, dude, there's a lot of pressure right here. And no, and honestly, I swear to God, I couldn't make this up.

Speaker 2 I think I hit him the first time, hit him like in the back, like the back right shoulder. Like, can you, can you try and get a little more center? I'm like, I'm like probably 15 yards away.

Speaker 2 So it's not like a long throw, but I'm like, I'm going to do my best, guys. So then I, the next throw, I swear to God, I just chuck it.
It goes over the guy's head and it hits this.

Speaker 2 She must have been a playmate. She was in a bikini right up in the freaking square of the face, dude.

Speaker 2 You Marsha brady her you remember you guys remember uh josh richman remember josh richman josh or jerry does oh yes yes yeah so anyway josh a good buddy he was there he was right next to me and it was like i don't know it was all sailors crew watch and we were i was like i thought i think it made the blooper outtakes dude it was the funniest ever so my point is is i have experience uh yes just just breaking someone's nose well i'm i'm curious how what did she get hurt no i honestly was like uh like what's gonna happen guys am i gonna get sued like i had no idea i was like 23 years old everyone was dying she was fine but it was like it was bad it was honestly pretty bad yeah yeah there's nothing nothing worse than that see that's

Speaker 2 horrible i felt you got a rocket for an arm matt that's what happens well i was like if you're a little more accurate maybe you're gonna be playing that's why they were sandler was like are you fucking kidding me dude you're an nfl quarterback i was like dude i'm not an this is this is

Speaker 2 yeah dude anyway good story josh was hey if you if you need anybody you know i'm here i'm here for you all right i'll remember that was there ever

Speaker 2 a sports movie or a football movie or something that you were up for that you didn't get or one that you really wished? Because I really think about sports movies all the time.

Speaker 2 I think they're in a lot of trouble because the documentaries are so good. So I feel like I don't know if we're really going to get scripted.
I feel like they're all kind of cheesy now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I always try to sit around and think, what's a great scripted sports movie? And I still clearly haven't cracked it. But what were some of your sports movie influences?

Speaker 2 And then once you started your acting career, was there ever

Speaker 2 me, I always think like Rudy, that's probably the only role I could have played, an undersized linebacker for Matt's favorite school, Nordre Dame.

Speaker 2 Anything for you that jumps to me?

Speaker 2 You look like him.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't, yeah, I mean, I always wanted to because it drives me crazy when I watch

Speaker 2 a movie. Oh, it's the worst.
It's the worst.

Speaker 1 When they can't throw or they can't dribble or they can't shoot or you can tell they never played the game. It's infuriating.

Speaker 1 It drives me crazy. And I see that a lot.
I'm like, why why the f ⁇ didn't I get a chance to play this? I can at least throw a football. Am I that bad of an actor?

Speaker 2 I got one. I got the movie you would have crushed, I think.
Have you ever seen the replacements?

Speaker 2 I feel like you and the Keanu part, I mean, Keanu Reeves was great in it. He was great.
Alt Universe, I feel like, I think you were maybe a little younger than him at the time.

Speaker 2 But Alt Universe, I feel like you.

Speaker 2 in the replacements or if you were slightly older the quaid part in any given sunday although he was already like the aging quarterback I feel like you would have cried.

Speaker 2 I'm casting you as a quarterback, basically. I said varsity blues.

Speaker 2 That would have been good. You know, I love all those movies.

Speaker 1 You know, it's

Speaker 1 at this point in my career, I don't try to, you know, think too much on it because I'm just a, I would be a coach.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Or probably a coach towards the end of his career at this point.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was, it was, it was one of those things that I always wanted to do.

Speaker 1 And I, I did a little bit of it, but never like a movie where I was a guy who played a he's a former quarterback, but there's not much football in the movie, you know.

Speaker 1 So, I never got a chance to really do it, which would have been fun.

Speaker 2 Would you ever want to direct maybe a sports movie? Or

Speaker 1 well, I directed both of the buddy games movies, and I'm about to go directly. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm about to go so that was sort of sporty, but not really a sports movie. Um,

Speaker 2 uh,

Speaker 1 I would, you know, I would, but as you know,

Speaker 1 it's a heavy lift.

Speaker 1 I thought that I wanted to direct and I'm about to go do one in January.

Speaker 1 And man, it is five months, six months of all-consuming, you know, from prep all the way through, all the way through, you know, delivering it and marketing it and the whole thing. So

Speaker 1 I got to really love it. I got to really love it.

Speaker 1 And I really do like this one I'm about to go do. It's about these two dads who are fighting to get their kid into this last spot in this,

Speaker 1 this pretentious preschool in London.

Speaker 2 It's pretty realistic.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Welcome to my life.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. So

Speaker 1 that's about to happen. We've already started prep on that.
And we'll go, we start shooting, I think, January 27th in London.

Speaker 2 Awesome.

Speaker 1 So, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, also, too, I mean, I do want to talk to you a little bit before you go about Gatlin health because I just turned 45. I'm another November birthday like yourself.

Speaker 1 And what's your birthday?

Speaker 2 November 25th. So just passed.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 I used to be real out of shape. I have a terrible reference point because my 20s, I was 200 pounds.
I'm 5'6. And then I got in really good shape all throughout my 30s.

Speaker 2 Got down to like 145, really felt good. And now as I'm in my 40s, I've been fine.
I got the two little kids. So the workouts workouts are a little shittier.
The diet is not as good. And I am just,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I'm struggling a little bit. I put on a few.
But anyway, I know you are heavily involved in Gatlin Health, right? Which focuses on men's health.

Speaker 2 And I feel like a 45-year-old chubby Italian dude is a perfect client for your company.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you need EV medication.

Speaker 2 Yes, I do. Yes.
Please help. Send help.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 no, yeah, we did, we started, so this company that we started,

Speaker 1 we're about to launch in January. We started, we sort of soft-launched.

Speaker 1 And right now, we're just sort of getting all the bugs worked out, but it's a telemedicine company, really, like along the lines of Hymns and Roman. But, you know,

Speaker 1 it's one of those things that,

Speaker 1 do I want to be the face of testosterone replacement therapy? Right. That was my biggest question because I, truthfully, I've been doing it now for five years.
And it changed my world. I love it.

Speaker 2 Really? See, I have a million questions. I got to get it.
Yeah, me too. Gosh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, so TRT has been been like, it's one of those things that guys don't want to talk about. There's a lot of shame around it.
It's got a stigma.

Speaker 1 And we want to destigmatize it and shine a light on it and make it okay because it is, you know, and it really does improve, you know, your quality of life. Because for me too, and, you know, through

Speaker 1 my third and my 40s, especially,

Speaker 1 I struggled.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 when they brought me this idea,

Speaker 1 My buddy knew that I had been taking it, but I didn't know if I wanted to be that involved. But

Speaker 1 sorry.

Speaker 2 All right. That's how we know you're in L.A.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it's been, so it's become a huge part of what I've been working on over the last several years now, just, you know, launching a company like this, a big deal, all the FDA compliance stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All of the, you know, it's a medical company.

Speaker 1 But I truly believe that we're going to be able to change a lot of dudes' lives. We're going to offer TRT.

Speaker 1 We offer these longevity stacks, which include like metformin, rapamycin, all these things to sort of

Speaker 1 slow

Speaker 1 the effects of aging.

Speaker 1 And then we'll do all the things that Hims and Roman do, you know, hair growth, ED.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm the face of a company that sells ED medication.

Speaker 2 Hey, we're going to get them on as one of our sponsors, Sue. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Every time you get a woody, every time you get a woody, you'll think of me, Jerry.

Speaker 2 Liz, I will say,

Speaker 2 no, some of the videos that you've put out, though, where you're just talking,

Speaker 2 I think it's such a smart way to go because it doesn't feel like a commercial. It doesn't feel like, hey, here's, you know, Josh is trying to sell something.
You put it in your own words.

Speaker 2 I think the thing that stuck out to me was you said, like, you know, you're still a kid at heart. And that guy, that kid's in there.
You just got to help unlock them.

Speaker 2 And I think that helps with destigmatizing. So it hits.

Speaker 1 And I think, thank you. I think there's a lot of guys out there who are feeling it, but they don't really know.
I mean, you can actually remedy it.

Speaker 1 That's the thing is we don't have to get old, you know, at an earlier age than we need to. You know, we can, you can be, you know, athletic and strong and,

Speaker 1 you know, all the things that you were when you were in your 30s, well into your 60s, even 70s, if you take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 So we're not, we don't want to just be a company that, you know, doles out pills. We want to be, we want to be an overall wellness company, too.

Speaker 1 So if you're taking Ozepic or the GLP ones or the semaglutides or trizepatidides, you don't want to just lose the weight and not have a plan to go with that because then you just look like a skinny fat dude.

Speaker 1 You want to be, you want to still like work out. You want to retain that muscle mask.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 you want your wife to

Speaker 1 still want you, man. You know, I got a wife who's like quite a bit younger than me, and that's the big reason I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 Good for you.

Speaker 1 So she doesn't kick me out of the bedroom.

Speaker 2 Listen, Josh, you're the best. Good luck with the movie in January.
Yeah, thanks for joining us, buddy. It's good good to see you, man.
Later, dudes.

Speaker 1 Later, man. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2 That's money, that's cash app. I feel like I'm going to be using them a lot this Christmas season, but we're looking for our money moment now, Matt.
What is the throwback money moment this week?

Speaker 2 Well, it's a quarterback, and we just talked to Josh about sort of quarterbacks getting a second chance, whether it's going to a new franchise or maybe, you know, backing up and then getting another opportunity.

Speaker 2 And then what do you do with that opportunity, right? That's kind of what life is about. Bryce Young to me is my money moment.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, this kid,

Speaker 2 honestly, like, we might have talked about on the pod, was down and out six weeks ago. Like, we were just like, is he going to get traded? What's going to happen? Is he a bust?

Speaker 2 Like, all of a sudden, I've lived it. Like, all of a sudden, you start getting labeled with that.

Speaker 2 This dude. And I pulled this up because it was pretty fascinating, right? He gets benched for Andy Dalton, not playing well.
And then Andy Dalton. And then Bryce Young gets back.

Speaker 2 And the last four games, five touchdowns, a pick, almost 900 yards passing. He's led his team to a game tighter, game winning drive in all four games and for the five starts.

Speaker 2 Third highest graded passing quarterback since week nine. And this was a kid who literally,

Speaker 2 you watched him on the sideline and you look like someone just died in his fan. Like it was just sad, right? So proud of him.
I'm proud of just kind of taking the month to kind of sit back.

Speaker 2 And then all of a sudden, hey, when you get another opportunity, go ball, go let it rip. Who gives a shit, right? And that's what he's doing.
And now he's got a chance to be the guy next year.

Speaker 2 Maybe he's got a chance to go somewhere else and compete. So that's my money moment, man.
He's been balling.

Speaker 2 I'm with you. That is such a money moment because

Speaker 2 you even saw it a little bit with Anthony Richardson. Is this now a thing that we didn't used to see, but we're going to see more of?

Speaker 2 Where, hey, sit for like a few weeks and let's see if we can get this back. It's so smart when you think about it.
Well, the problem is, is,

Speaker 2 and when we had Kurt Warner on, the same thing it's like these kids just get they get drafted and they they're expected to play week one and they're just not ready most of them aren't ready and i mean look at caleb like caleb's playing well jaden dan like like but then you still go through growing pains right and it also depends on where you play so it's like sometimes it's good to go in and just learn and back up and take the mental reps and just learn the game and learn the learn the week-to-week preparation understand how it all works and then when you do get the chance to play like you have all the talent in the world, then you go play.

Speaker 2 And like, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But a lot of these, a lot of these high draftics get thrust into a situation where it's just like, dude, you're doomed for failure.

Speaker 2 So for him to come back and ball and just take advantage of this last month is, it's awesome, man. This got me thinking.

Speaker 2 We're going to do some fun awards. that are more so sports awards, but with Hollywood and acting.
Cause I started thinking, all right, who's a great comeback story like Bryce Young in Hollywood?

Speaker 2 There's no one currently that I could think about where it's happening, but just some in the past that stuck out to me, Travolta.

Speaker 2 Travolta was, I'm not going to say down and out because he had a lot of success early, but then he hit this wall and then Tarantino with pulp fiction revitalizes him. Downey Jr.

Speaker 2 certainly, again, amazing actor, had a lot of success Young. It just wasn't working out.
And then Iron Man has, that's probably the greatest comeback in the history of Hollywood.

Speaker 2 And now he's going back into the Marvel universe. But yeah, it's just a good story.

Speaker 2 You like to see, I guess, the risk is if Bryce comes back and it looks even worse, then you're like, all right, well, I guess as an organization, then you kind of know what you might have to do.

Speaker 2 But now I think it makes the Carolina situation really interesting going into the draft. Well, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 It actually makes it more challenging for them because now it's like, hey, this kid maybe just needed a step back, kind of reset.

Speaker 2 And now all of a sudden you can see the potential and you can see why they drafted him that high.

Speaker 2 But then do you, you know, do you, do you pass on maybe? And I just say that for this draft, you know, I think Shador is the number one. And there's a lot of quarterback needy teams at the top.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Two of them in New York.
Yeah, as you know, the Raiders are up there. Maybe the Saints, like Carol, Carolina, are they?

Speaker 2 Or maybe they like him enough, and they may be bringing a vet to compete, but then they go get a really good player.

Speaker 2 Like, like, they're going to, it almost puts them in a little conundrum, but I'm, but you know what? Good for, good for Bryce. Like, that's what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 Make it to make it difficult on the organization. So I'm happy for him, man.
He deserves it.

Speaker 2 shout outs to cash app and my money moment it already look is now for next year I already have it it's the NFL draft because there's there's good quarterbacks not surefire ones and a lot of teams that need quarterbacks be a lot of action in that in the draft by the way just real quick real quick real quick how do we just how do we feel about danny dimes just being gone Debbie, we talked about this for a long.

Speaker 2 You've been with him now for what, four or five years? And he's just gone.

Speaker 2 We teased Dumel that that was our Christmas present to him, but

Speaker 2 I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 2 It's like wiped from my brain because

Speaker 2 it's so many other problems with the Giants. There's so many other problems.
I don't know if our coach is staying, if our GM is staying.

Speaker 2 I don't know if Dexter Lawrence is going to start complaining about wanting out.

Speaker 2 Neighbors has been unshakable in media. And finally, with Daniel Jones, lost it a little bit, but more so with Dable.
Like, why am I not getting the ball? So there's so many other things.

Speaker 2 Like, Daniel Jones has already been wiped from my memory, and

Speaker 2 I have zero doubt he's going to turn up somewhere next year, maybe New Orleans, maybe Oakland, who the hell knows? With a little O'Connell in his life, and he might be good. Who knows?

Speaker 2 I was going to say, like Saquon just having, we always knew Saquon was good, right? I mean, right, but Darnold is the best example.

Speaker 2 Like, the Jets cut bait, and now Jones goes, and like, wherever he ends up, and he balls, or he's like, I mean, how pissed are the Giants? It's going to be, it's going to be hilarious.

Speaker 2 You know, it's going to happen. If the NFL is going to

Speaker 2 happen, that's what's going to happen. Oh, man.
All right. Well, yeah, again, shout outs to Cashi App.
Appreciate you. And now it's time for our throwback three, our best brawls.

Speaker 2 We did talk a lot about Malice in the Palace last week. So we're going to leave that one out.
It's probably enough.

Speaker 2 Yeah, change the course of sports in a lot of ways. So we're going to go a little off the menu on that level.
But what do you got, man?

Speaker 2 Okay, so this was interesting because there were some that I remember, and then there's some that I was, I got to be honest with you, I was just online. I was just like, oh my God, that was great.

Speaker 2 Oh, I remember this. Oh, this was awesome.
So this could easily be number one for me. And, but it's number three is Orioles Yankees 1988.

Speaker 2 Oh, 1988. Yeah.
Am I wrong? Am I wrong on the year? 88 or 98? I don't know which one you're going. Which one I'm going to Benitez.
Yeah, that's 98. Okay, 98.
My bad. My bad.
That was a typo. Okay.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the reason why I love this is because the end is like when Strawberry just comes in. And Daryl was one of my favorite players growing up.

Speaker 2 And he was one of the very few players that I got his autograph. I think when he was with the Mets.

Speaker 2 Anyways, Benitez, I wrote some notes on this because I was like, okay, so Yankees first, Orioles last place. Umpires, I don't even remember this.

Speaker 2 Umpires before the game called this and said there's going to be a brawl. There's something brewing.
Get ready because they were ready to toss everybody out.

Speaker 2 Benitez gives up a home run to Bernie Williams, right? Then Tino Martinez comes up and he just

Speaker 2 shoves her right up his back. Fastball.

Speaker 2 Then all of a sudden, you know, brawl comes out. Then the two pitchers from the Yankees bullpen come in and start trying to get to Benitez.

Speaker 2 The best part of it, I just teased it with strawberries. All of a sudden, things are kind of calmed down and they're right by the dugout.

Speaker 2 And then you just see freaking Daryl Strawberry flying in with like a left haymaker and knock Benitez out. It was like like the greatest like no look punch I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 Total like like honestly, total cheap shot, but it was awesome. So that's my number three, man.
I mean, and it's baseball brawls are the best. And that one, too, if you want to really relive it,

Speaker 2 and I know I referenced the Jeter Doc, the captain, over and over on the show, but you hear Strawberry talk about it. I think to this day, if he can get his hands on Benitez, he would.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Everybody listening, just go on YouTube, just pull it up because he just cold clocks him right at the end. I got a nowhere.
Go re-watch. You know what? Go re-watch the whole thing.
Go Google.

Speaker 2 Yes, YouTube it. Watch the whole thing because that's.
I was on a rabbit hole this week, dude. I was down a rabbit hole.
Strawberry said,

Speaker 2 I said, if Torrey didn't pull me off, we'd still be in the dugout.

Speaker 2 fighting and you could you see him like run around the whole brawl and just make a beeline yeah that was good all right so mine is gonna be a little homery because it just is what it is.

Speaker 2 But I was at this one. I was in the building and I was sitting courtside.
So it was a Knicks game. Nick's Nuggets before Mello was a Knicks.
He was a, he was on the Nuggets.

Speaker 2 I was sitting next to Fat Joe. I was sitting next to Fat Joe and I forget who else.
The Kirkman.

Speaker 2 You know my superhero ability is I could tell you when a fight's going to happen. 30 seconds before.
I think I was with my brother. I leaned over to him.
I said,

Speaker 2 some bad shit's going to happen. Isaiah Thomas was the Knicks coach.
Nuggets were up by 40. J.R.
Smith on fast breaks is doing Ollie Up to himself, double pump dunks. They're just running up to score.

Speaker 2 Isaiah Thomas, you see it. He goes over to Marty Collins, who's the 12th man on the bench, whispers something to him and sends him in the game.
J.R.

Speaker 2 Smith gets on another breakaway, and then boom, he hits them. They start.
The Nate Robinson, a little 5'9, Nate Robinson comes and tackles J.R. Smith into the first row.

Speaker 2 Now, I already backed away, but our whole row started moving away from the fight. And then Marty and then Jared Jeffries is going over there to try to break it.

Speaker 2 And Mello from behind, might be all-time biggest sucker punch ever, just turns around, just whack overhand, writes him.

Speaker 2 Jeffries took it well, but that was a real, and that was like a regular season game in February. Didn't mean nothing.
And I was there for it. So that one

Speaker 2 to be there for a fight like that has got to be awesome. Again, that's how I know with Malice in the Palace.
I was already telling my brother, like, we should get the fuck out.

Speaker 2 We should get out of here. Yeah.
We need to go. We need to go.
This is going to get bad. All right.

Speaker 2 I'm staying baseball.

Speaker 2 One of my favorite players growing up. And I don't know if you saw the dock of the Nolan Ryan dock.
Oh, did you see that? Absolutely. Actually, kind of just like talk like, like.

Speaker 2 Not a ton of personality in that dock, but it just made you love him more. You're just like, the dude was all business.
So obviously I'm going Robin Ventura, Nolan Ryan. And

Speaker 2 like like the brawl broke out it was really mainly those two guys 1993 the cool thing about this was ryan was 45 or 46 years old so he was he was your age dude think about that and robin was 25 or 26 obviously hits him and ventura takes a couple steps and just charges and i i love i love like i love when big when big ass pitchers are just like bring it on let's go like all right like let's go like let's rumble he gets ventura in a headlock and just starts throwing uppercuts like three or four uppercuts and then like honestly i think it kind of like died out soon after but

Speaker 2 just like watching that dock made me love nolan ryan because he was like part of my i was a pitcher growing up so it was like my baseball was my favorite sport and he was one of my favorite players but for him to do that at 46 years old and just like honestly just not give a fuck and just say like dude come at me it's got to be the best feeling dude on the mound just knowing that you're going to throw at a guy and he's coming at you and let's go.

Speaker 2 Like, let's go one-on-one.

Speaker 2 Also, you got to think for Robin Ventura. Maybe that's why we don't see him on tons of podcasts.
Like,

Speaker 2 that's such a rough look. It's a terrible look, dude.
Honestly. Charge out there.
You're the young guy. You're going like up against the life.
First of all, like, you're charging a guy.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's still a great athlete. Definitely up there in years.
I'm sure he hates. Talking to you.
Nolan Ryan's like 6'4. Like, he was like 6'5, like 250.

Speaker 2 Like, he's just like, this is fucking Nolan Ryan. And he's just a great athlete.
Just big text, dude. Just big text, just upper.

Speaker 2 I didn't really

Speaker 2 punch like a four. Like, I imagine, like, that's how I, if I, God forbid, had to get into a fight, I'd like go for that headline.
Usually, like,

Speaker 2 when they charge the mound, it's like, you know, maybe they'll wrestle a little bit and someone gets thrown in the ground and then it's like, you know, like it's chaos and then it's over.

Speaker 2 Like this was one where he was just getting shots in before everything came. It was freaking awesome.
My number two, I'm going to go into the boxing world for a moment.

Speaker 2 Now, there's quite a few you you could choose from that involved Mike Tyson a little bit, but it was Mike Tyson, Andrew Galada.

Speaker 2 If you have not seen that fight, ladies and gentlemen, listening to throwbacks right now, go check it out.

Speaker 2 There was some warnings and disqualifications. Tyson basically, there's a very famous photo of Tyson flexing

Speaker 2 from behind overhead. And the other side of the photo was like 40 cops and people from Galada's camp just looking like

Speaker 2 terrified. Someone got got hit in the head with a walkie-talkie.
It was complete and utter mayhem.

Speaker 2 And that's where one of those moments where you believed with Tyson, like, all right, this dude is just about destruction. So I had to go in the boxing world.

Speaker 2 And I want to point out, I don't know if you're going to hockey for your number one. I am.
I know, okay, good. Cause there's about a thousand.

Speaker 2 And I didn't go that route because you could fight in hockey, which has always baffled me that, but it's also like the one sport where you're carrying around a weapon, and that's the sport where you're allowed to fight.

Speaker 2 By the way, you're allowed to fight, it's so Bahaki's got a lot. I have no idea where you're going with number one.

Speaker 2 I would say, like, there was a lot of kind of cool, like, NASCAR fights that are kind of like crazy and like underrated. Um,

Speaker 2 I had Lakers Celtics back when Mikael clothesline Rambus, which really didn't end up in a brawl, but it was like Larry Bird was talking shit in the paper before that game. That was one.

Speaker 2 Um, I don't know if you're going there. So, I am going uh, Red Wings Avalanche in 97.
So, I was 14 years old, and I was at about 10 years old. I was a die-hard hockey fan.

Speaker 2 So baseball, this, but like, I love the LA Kings. That's how my love came for the Kings.
Like, I think in 93 or 94 is when they made the, the cup run against the Canadians and they lost.

Speaker 2 So I was just like, I was a big hockey fan in the 90s.

Speaker 2 And I just watched this. It might have been a 30 for 30 or a dock, but it was.

Speaker 2 on this whole fight. And I remember watching, I think last year, I was like, holy, like, this is the greatest brawl in the history of sport.

Speaker 2 So it started in 96 when Claude Lemieux just laid out Draper and broke his face. Like, God, right?

Speaker 2 Like, like, and Claude Lemieux, like, and really started this rivalry because they ended up playing each other in the playoffs, all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 Game six, 96, Western Conference finals, he did that. And then in 97 in March, it was kind of like this lead up.
They were playing each other. And you just knew, right?

Speaker 2 Like when the guys talk about on the dock, you're like, we knew something was going to happen and we're going to be ready.

Speaker 2 So Darren McCarty, I think, I don't know how, like, Lemieux, whatever, they're starting to fight, and McCarty just comes out of nowhere and just absolutely just decks him.

Speaker 2 The best part about it was the goalies, Patrick Waugh and Vernie. I remember this.

Speaker 2 Remember that the hockey, like hockey fights are great because a lot of them are premeditated.

Speaker 2 Like, if you ever talk to a hockey guy, oh, they know, you know, they're like, hey, you want to get into it? Like, you ready? And then they'll just like start throwing and it's awesome, right?

Speaker 2 Like, people love it. This thing, you just knew it was like goalies defensemen like it was like you better keep your head on a swivel and wah versus mike vernon i think yeah

Speaker 2 just like just beeline for each other like the goalies and everyone's just throwing haymakers dude it's like it's the greatest like sports melee outside of malice on the palace in my opinion that was like It's just like, and that, and also like, I just think hockey fights are the best.

Speaker 2 So that's my number one, man. Like, that fight was incredible.
And then just goalies just like, fuck it, man we're all dropping gloves and we're going

Speaker 2 yeah the hockey we could do a whole separate one i mean the hockey there's millions of them uh so i'm curious to see where you well there was i was i was leaning

Speaker 2 potentially 03 yankees red sox brawl that's the one where zimmer gets thrown to the only because that i think that sparked the yankee win but then in 04

Speaker 2 the comeback like the you know the a-rod veritech fight that sparked it the other way so i only want to touch that because i think ultimately the Red Sox won that those two brawls because it led to crazy you know crazy run for the Sox so my number one going back to the garden it's Nick's Miami heat 1998 with a game with Zoe and Larry Johnson squared off and it ends up with Jeff Van Gundy hanging from Alonzo Morning's leg

Speaker 2 It's such a great clip. It's a great clip.
It's a great game. The game was already in hand, but another one of those where you felt it happening.

Speaker 2 Remember, Larry Johnson and Zoe played together in Charlotte. They were teammates on the Hornets.
So, you know, you thought there would have been someone who's too big. That's two big old dudes, too.

Speaker 2 I know, but Zoe was, I mean, Larry Johnson was jacked. I mean,

Speaker 2 Zoe was that, but like five inches bigger. So, but that brawl was unbelievable.
And obviously, the Knicks going on, but what used to suck is like the Knicks were the first team, I want to say,

Speaker 2 I think it was a different Miami Heat Series with a brawl years before where players, you know, that's where like the leave the bench thing and you get suspended came from.

Speaker 2 And the Knicks were heavily penalized and ended up losing a series, not 98, a different year where you guys just left the bench and then they got suspended for like game five, the deciding game.

Speaker 2 So, but yeah, that one, because then, you know, the Knicks go on a pretty good run after that. So you know what's a great basket? That's great.

Speaker 2 I looked up was, remember when Shaq went after Barkley?

Speaker 2 I didn't like their, I think Barkley's mom called Shaq at halftime or something. It's like, you two stop fighting.

Speaker 2 It was just funny because now they're like, best, you know, they're on the show and they're best friends. And that came up on, and I watched it.

Speaker 2 And it was like, I think Barkley threw the ball at him or something. And then Shaq just, and then they're both on the ground wrestling, like talk about two.

Speaker 2 Like Charles is Charles about 6'5, but Charles is a massive human being. I'll tell you who should have started a brawl with Shaq, even though he might have lost that too.

Speaker 2 I think one of the most savage

Speaker 2 posterization, disrespectful, get dunking on someone was Shaq dunking on former Nick Chris Dudley. I don't know if you remember this clip.
Go Google it if you don't remember. You'll recognize me.

Speaker 2 See, he dunks and then swings his leg and

Speaker 2 just like embarrassed to the point where Dudley just picked up the ball and threw it at Shaq, but didn't want to fight. By the way, that's a great

Speaker 2 best, best posterized

Speaker 2 ball.

Speaker 2 One of them's got to be Vince Carter, but we should. Oh, he's got to be.

Speaker 2 That's a good one. That made me think of Andrew Bynum dunking on Shaq, a young Andrew Byman Bynum dunking on an older Shaq.
They were kind of talking shit, you know, because he was at center.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of

Speaker 2 better ones than that, but that, yeah. Yeah, and you don't see that a ton.
I mean, Anthony Edwards catches a lot of bodies, so he does. All right.

Speaker 2 Listen, everyone, everyone listening, watching, like, send us your best brawls, man. Tag us at Throwback Show because

Speaker 2 send the hockey ones. Don't be afraid.
We didn't ignore it. Matt picked it as his number one.

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Speaker 2 That's a good one. On to Christmas event number two of 15.

Speaker 2 Stay strong, brother. Stay strong.