Michigan-Ohio State tension, Bryce Young bouncing back & Josh Duhamel joins the show!

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Matt, we have another quarterback joining us today on the pod. And it's not what people think.
It's not Josh Duhamel. Yes, Josh Duhamel.
My bad. No, you didn't give it away.
You know, movies like Transformers franchise franchise and win a date with tad hamilton he's got a new show coming out on netflix but also little known fact with d2 was he d2 or is that d3 d2 quarterback is there even d3 football north dakota d2 d2 or d3 just absolute stud yeah we're gonna talk and you've you him. You know him for a while.
I know him pretty well. Josh is a good dude.
Yeah. Yeah.
He is just like your quintessential good dude, man. Like guy's guy.
Loves sports. Obviously, great career in Hollywood.
Still doing his thing. Directed buddy games and all that, which is fantastic.
And just doing a lot of stuff, man. And he's a big Vikings.
I run into him a couple times a year i feel yeah big vikings fan big vikings guy happy got kirk cousins coming back into the building uh so look i would you had a very interesting weekend you had a front row seat i know a lot of people have talked about the ohio state michigan brawl where were first things for where were you when that was happening because you're doing big noon where were you located once the game ends and the brawl breaks out so we're doing so we're on the field and first of all the whole game and again we all picked Ohio State to win I think pretty much everyone thought they were going to win so I apologize to Michigan um but we're we're always doing a post game kind of after the game. And so we're right there in the corner of one of the end zones.
And we're kind of there getting ready. We're going to tape a hit this time because the game went long.
And there's like a minute left. And all of a sudden, and usually we have a feel like wherever we're at, we'll have a feel of whether fans are going to storm the field, right? Obviously not in this case, but whether fans are going to storm the field or something's

just going to happen because all of a sudden the cops and all the security start to line

up on the field.

And you could kind of see security and people kind of getting on the field just to make

sure like, just none of the shenanigans that ended up happening happen.

And I'm sitting there and we're kind of looking and all of a sudden i see whoever i see the michigan flag and that was that was the thing and we're probably like we know we're in the corner of an end zone so we're not that far someone just the flag is just going up and there's still ohio state players kind of walking off the field everybody's kind of walking off the field and i was like oh this like this is just you just felt it like you you felt it was going to be like they were going to plant the flag or they were going to talk whatever it was going to be because Michigan was not supposed to win that game. They were 20 point underdogs.
They were supposed to get blown out this and that. That's all they heard.
And that's not what happened. So we just started.
I remember looking at Mark. I go, Mark, look at this.
And all of a sudden,

it just was chaos in the middle of the field. And we were like, damn.
And then we saw it. And then we cut to it after we started taping our hit.
And we had our aerial shot of it, you know, with the camera. And we were kind of watching it live during our taping.
And you could see what happened. And then you started seeing some of the blows and then the pepper spray and all that, which again, I said, I don't condone that stuff obviously, but a part of me kind of just, it's kind of why I love college football.
I just, I love, I love passion. I love like, I love fan bases when they don't like each other.
I love teams when they don't like each other. Obviously you don't want it to go too far, but man, it was, pretty wild to see.
Yeah. First of all, as someone who's been

mace slash pepper sprayed before it's the worst yeah it really does it's it's the worst it's everything you think it is and more and i knew it i saw it right away i didn't see the spray but i saw one of the players like oh yeah grab. It was so clear.
I'm with you where the violence of it, of course, you don't want anyone to get hurt, although you do love seeing it. Then you realize even with the cops, I'm not saying the pepper spray or whatever, but you realize they wouldn't stand a chance in that brawl.
One of the Michigan players was barking at one of the cops. He was a solid two and a half feet taller than the someone got someone got arrested like legit arrested we were we watched it live some guy who's wearing all it was an Ohio State fan just probably hammered on the field got totally arrested walking off the field I was like damn I'm for that good because he definitely shouldn't have been on the field but I do think violence aside it it is the last defense, I think, of rivalries.
I think in the pros, I was really trying to think hard about it. All right, baseball does have some great rivalries, but really there's like two.
And I started thinking, well, maybe why? But was it interleague play? Because the Yankees used to play the Red Sox a hundred times a year. And now it's, I don't know.
I was trying to figure out why. NBA, the stars move around.
So it's more of a star-driven league. So there's star rivalries, not team rivalries.
Football has theirs. And it could be reignited at any point.
But that's the beauty of college sports. Those things are real.
And I think when they go, that's going to be a bad moment for sports. So people need to understand this because I'm so fortunate I get to see this.
I get to see these rivalries in person, in particular, Ohio State, Michigan, which I put out on X. I think it's the biggest rivalry in college football.
It might not be the best. And it's because Urban Meyer talks about this all the time.
That game means something to those teams 365 days a year. Urban used to say, if we, because he was 7-0, the day after Michigan, they put back on their clocks 364 days until we play Michigan next year.
And it's a constant reminder. It's like the game, right? It's the game.
So it just means so much. Like Michigan winning that game just salvaged their whole season.
No one gives a shit what happened. They're seven and five.
They got the number one player in the country. They have kind of good vibes going into next year, but they beat Ohio State again.
To your point, like I was thinking about this and I'm watching it. Like so many people talked about college football this year and the last couple of years of, well, the conference realignment.
We got Texas, Texas, A&M again, which was fantastic. A lot of that has kind of taken the rivalries away because of conference realignment.
Now NIL and the transfer. That's what I wanted to ask you, how that affects

it too. Well, yeah.
So your point with like NBA has free agency, like college has portal too.

Now there's some kids on that, on those teams that really haven't experienced this rivalry.

That was their first time. So like, I was curious to think like, does it, does it mean as much to

those kids if they didn't grow up with it or they didn't, they weren't a part of Michigan or

Ohio State for the last four years. I just, I walked away.
I was Saturday night. I got home

and I'm thinking like,

Thank you. does it mean as much to those kids if they didn't grow up with it or they didn't, they weren't a part of Michigan or Ohio State for the last four years? I just, I walked away.
I was Saturday night. I got home and I'm thinking like, I don't like fighting.
I don't like some of the stuff that can happen again. Like I, like it's sports and whatever.
But I was like, damn, like this is why college football is the best because you have passion, you have hatred, you have fans, you have states like Michigan and Ohio, the states hate each other because of this game. That's it.
Like it's wild. And to see it, excuse me, to see it, I kind of was like, damn, like college football is in a great place.
Like it really is like, despite all of that stuff. Well, Michigan had no business winning that game.
And that's why they why they were like- And they won it. On their home, dude.
And I have a lot of Michigan fans in my life, and all I saw on social media the whole day before and the day after, what was it? 800 in, to your point with Urban does, 800 in some odd days since the last time Ohio State beat Michigan. I think it's been 1,800 days or something.
It's over 1,800. Yeah, it's over 1,800.
And then also I saw, which was, I knew they were ready. They, Michigan walked in to the Sicario kind of, it's not like a theme, but it's like the baseline on that famous freeway shootout.
And it made you say, well, these dudes are ready. But I do.
They had no business winning that game. No business winning that game.
I mean, it was... And it's strictly because of the rivalry of it.
And then I did think a lot about the NIL transfer portal part of affecting the rivalries, like you said, because now it does emulate professional sports in a way that it never did. So is there ever a world where, you know, Travis Hunter should not get into a brawl like that it could cost them himself or a player like travis hunter could cost them dough potentially right am i overthinking this no you're right and then also i mean a lot of the narrative after that game was do do some of these kids get suspended right or fined right fine now because some of them are making money i don think we're there.
I don't think we're there yet in college. But in the NFL, if you're getting in a fight, you're either getting fined, heavily fined, or maybe you get suspended depending on, like obviously the severity of what happened.
I don't think anything will happen. But yeah, I think that's, we're entering a world like that where these, at some point, every player on a team is going to get paid they're going to be become employees of the school and um there'll be consequences for that i still don't think like i i it's not like again we're talking about like do you cross the line when you know when do you cross the line what's taken too far like like planning the flag dude like baker mayfield did it a couple years ago it was awesome and he and he even said in his press conference this week he's like dude then beat like beat us like beat us for 60 i get it i do get that but no what i mean is if i'm on ohio state you absolutely have to fight if you're gonna come plan well i get it you know if you lost the game that fine it wasn't like it wasn't a good game both those played their heart out.
So it wasn't like Michigan came in, blew them out. Ohio State was certainly trying very hard to win.
I don't know. Me, the way I grew up, I am not allowing that on my field.
Every time. It's not like Baker, like they had like an agreement.
Hey, when you do it to us, you plant the flag. But I have no problem starting a fight over that.
To your point about Travis Hunter, anytime there's a fight, immediately people go straight to the quarterback and be like, nope, nope, nope, nope. Stay the hell out of that.
Did you instantly hate Notre Dame before you even threw a ball for USC once you got there? No, I hated Notre Dame because of like... Good question.
I think UCLA, there was more of a hatred because it was more intimate. I knew a lot of the kids.
The location of it all, yeah. They talked a lot of shit.
They beat us the very first year. I was at SC for five.
They beat us the first year. So I was like, okay, I see this crosstown rivalry.
It's pretty cool. Like, okay, yeah.
Like, just immediately you don't like them them right and then notre dame became a real rivalry because they were really good and and and then it just became like battles you know and then also they were always kind of like the one team that was like a tough out for us to get to a national champion so it just became a little bit of like a hatred for them um usc notre dame is not like a it's not a heated rivalry like ohio state michigan or auburn bama it's just it's a it's a respected like national rivalry that goes back however many years with just the some of the greats to ever play um that rivalry is just different um but i just i just kind of learned not to like them over the years because we talked you know we talked to brady last week it was just because they were good and they were kind of arrogant and you know that but that's how rivalries kind of like that's what they're for you know it's it's so fun for me because i you know we did a little bit of rivalries in our throwback three last week was rivalry this week our throwback three based off of this is just going to be sports brawls. Again, not condoning the violence, but there's been some.
So many good ones. And we just had the Malice in the Palace anniversary.
And it is what creates rivalries. Now, I do, I just don't want them to go away.
And I have a hard time wrapping my head around it because in my profession, there's, it's like the opposite of rivalries. I'm sure there's some behind you.
There's gotta be rivalries.

You just don't really hear about it.

You don't really hear.

I know whatever's public,

and there was even behind-the-scenes talk.

I know The Rock and Vin Diesel

had a little bit of a thing

during Fast and the Furious.

I wouldn't quite call it a rivalry,

and I think they're friends again.

Us with Entourage,

network TV shows would probably have rivalries back in the day. If you're on ABC and you have a sitcom, you're trying to win the night.
You're trying to win the Thursday night ratings war versus whoever on NBC. So I could see that and that's all gone because network TV is slowly.
Maybe if you guys, I mean, you guys were up for a lot of awards, right? And did you lose? I know you said you guys lost a bunch, right? Did you lose to the same show every year? Yeah, we lost six or seven straight years for Emmy for Best Comedy. I guess our rivalries with Entourage, I don't even think Power had rivalries because we were doing our own thing.
This is how we tried to always handle it. We tried to organize, whether it's pickup basketball or softball.
It was always, the office beat us like five of the seven years we lost. Yeah, they had a run.
Scrubs, we just used to talk trash with because they, I think Donald, they just fancied themselves. No, no.
They didn't beat us for an Emmy. I think they just fancied themselves athletically good.

And we were like, we'll beat you guys in anything.

And we wanted to involve the crew too.

Not just cast, cast and crew.

Let's get some of the grips, some of the teamsters.

Did that never happen by the way?

That's amazing.

Did that ever happen?

We never, never got it.

You know, obviously Seth Green was a great rivalry on the show.

So, and he's on this great tour right now,

Matt.

And we have the,

the episode with the entourage guys coming out soon.

Randomly,

Seth Green ran into Emmanuel Shrieky who played Sloan.

And he posts a picture on Instagram,

got millions of views.

The next day,

I think he innocently runs into Kevin Dillon,

posts a photo and he's posting like 50 cent,

like many men wish death upon me

as his music.

And then the week after that,

he was with Connelly

and he posted all three photos.

So I just did the Victory podcast.

Connelly's got it back going.

And I think they're going to have

Seth Green and Emmanuel

on the same episode.

You're going to get an invite too.

Well, here's what Connelly's doing is brilliant. He's taking on this persona of, I'm going to reject you before you have a chance to reject me, meaning he's going to invite you on, Matt.
He's going to say, hey, Matt, why don't you come on the pod? Or you know what? Or don't. Like, don't.
If you're busy, just don't even, I don't care. One way or the other, I don't.
We'd love to have you, but I truly don't care if you come on he did that to me and it worked he made me feel like i i wanted to go that much more so i think that's dropping uh soon but yeah there's no real rivalry maybe like maybe like maybe like an actor who's like actors who like dated the same girl or something maybe there's something like personal there i can't really talk, but there is beef. And the only other real beef I remember,

it's another Seth.

And if you ask him,

he probably doesn't even remember.

And he certainly won the beef.

It was Seth Rogen.

So Seth Rogen-

With you?

Or with the show?

Well, with the show,

and mainly Doug,

but also we were the-

which always gets me. We're the actors on the show getting paid to say lines.
You're going to mad at me for a line I said. But he said something in an interview where he had an HBO pilot that was almost ready to go the same time Entourage was.
And at some point, HBO is picking between the shows. We're either going to pick up this, this, or that.
They didn't pick up his show. They picked up Entourage.

So in this interview,

and he's like,

no, they pick up Entourage.

And who the hell watches Entourage?

Meanwhile, seven straight Emmys.

And he talks all this shit.

Now, Doug sees this,

and Doug is not,

you know, if Doug gets pissed,

he puts it in his work.

We had a whole episode dedicated,

I don't know if you recall,

to talking about the fact that Seth Rogen was ugly. The whole episode.
And my character. I'd be pissed too.
Or did you, or was your character the one that was talking about shit? My character is the one that's like, I don't understand. Now, Katherine Heigl goes home with him and knocked up.
She's beautiful. It's awful.
I even remember telling Doug, like, Doug, do we really have to do this? He's like, it's funny. I'm like, I don't know know this guy tell me you've run into him over the last 15 years no but then I think I do think he on some red carpet after that talked a bunch of shit and then like he's running to Dylan and I think Dylan even told him like you know we didn't write that right which is holding a grudge all these years well by the way you won Seth you won, Seth.
You won. He's balling, yeah.
You've been balling. You won.
If there was a rivalry in beef, you won. We got to get him on.
He would never in a million years come on and talk to us. Ever.
Because of me, probably. No, but that would be even great.
Or he might just say, you know what, Jerry, I'm going to come on and talk shit right to his face. I've been waiting to say this for 15 years.
Look, I still will say, I didn't love it at the time. Just talking about, we didn't do that on the show often where we purpose, like we called someone ugly over and over again.
So yeah, anyway, Seth Rogen, if you're listening, which you are not, you do have a good shoe game. Don't worry.
We're going to... Yeah.
I like Seth Rogen. I watch his movies.
Seth's great. I think he's funny.
Do you know him? No. Oh, I was about to say.
I'd just love to listen to him talk to you. I...
I... I never met him.
Anyway, so, yeah, that's it. That's all I really got.
No rivalries in uh in acting let's move on because it's time to do you know i'm getting a little sip right here it's time to do our wendy's can't get enough sauce moment of the week matt i don't i don't know how you're gonna feel about mine i think i can lead off i'm gonna probably co-sign with you on this one i think so. So, it's not often we like to highlight a

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Right.

It's Elf on the Shelf season.

Parents out there,

the commitment that it

takes to do it, we've really

only been doing it now for two or three years.

Bree, my lovely wife, also at some point was like, you know, I do hate that we're... Oh, time out.
Yeah. Parents, if there's kids in your car...
Turn it off. Turn it off for now.
And then turn us back on. Come back to it later.
But if there are kids who are, you know, just... You don't want your little ones to hear this part right now.
Bree was like, I don't really love that we're lying to Jacob. I love how you're whispering now.
I know, I'm scared. We don't love that we're lying to Jacob about Elf on the Shelf and Santa.
And in the same breath, she's sending me Instagram videos about how most kids only believe in Santa until eight or nine years old. We only got three years left.
I took all that energy and I've channeled it into my Elf on shelf. You've been on fire, by the way.
On fire. Hundreds of thousands of views.
I am getting some help from Instagram. I'm farming it out and putting my own spin.
But now my goal is to have 24 days of just awesome elf on the shelf. So by the way, great sauce.
Great, great saucy. I'm with you.
That's the same for me. My, my question to you is though, why, why are you starting it so early? That's a wonderful question.
We usually do like a week before. Oh really? I think.
And again, honestly, dude, I'm, I've never been more proud of you in my life because Josie handles all of that for here. I'm getting encouragement.
People are DMing me like, this is great. Keep it going.
Like, don't just move. You are just getting from the table to the chandelier.
Major brownie points, dude. At some point, I'm going to run out.
That golf game is going to look real nice there come January 1. At some point, I'm going to run out of stuff.
Let's be honest. So I think so Elf on the Shelf.
I love it. I think it's great.
I think it's just, it's cute. And you and I are in the same boat of like, I think Christmas is just such a fun time, I think because of our kids' ages, right? How's the holiday season is nuts.
Just, I feel like once you hit, because you and I talked about this a couple weeks ago, like the Christmas trees and decorations were up like November. We had the date, like the wives like picked November 15th or whatever hell that was.
Trees are, we're actually decorating the tree this week. Oh, okay.
Yeah. So I feel like once Thanksgiving's over, it's all of a sudden your calendar is just filled up like everything.
Are you for it? Are you against it? How do we feel about it? I mean, what's the holiday season like over there in Cleveland? There is fifth. We went through this family calendar, and then I want to get your, I don't know if this is leading into your sauce moment or no.
No'm just I'm agreeing with you my sauce moment is your sauce moment we have 15 we have 15 Christmas things planned and Brie already screwed up check this out and we're gonna Wendy's thank you for giving us time to talk about this first one out of 15 was we were gonna go to this it was basically like Christmas like a Christmas car-along at this theater downtown and we get there and she misread it because it was actually the Cleveland Orchestra there's people in suits there's not another kid to be seen in the whole place and my boys are there in a 80 piece orchestra wondering where Santa is so we's only like- We've got Polar Express. We go on a train ride.
Yeah, we did that last year. We go on a train ride.
We have a brunch with Santa. Well, how do you have 15? There's only like less than three weeks.
24 days. And 15 events.
Do the math. Holy.
There's plenty of time. Plenty of time.
What we do for love, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah.
Love or just some of that free alone time that you're going to get after on the golf course. I'm hoping it translates.
I hope Brie, because she's going to listen to this. I hope Brie just acknowledges how much thoughtfulness goes into Elf on the Shelf.
Because I acknowledge it about Josie. I think it's like, I'm like, you wrote a whole letter.
What on Monday? She fully knows that I took what she started because she also had some births and has left me alone with this. I took what has started.
And now I'm trying to like Jordan flu game it. I'm trying to just put the team on my back, lead them to victory, and move on.
At the very least, I deserve some Wendy's saucy nugs out of this whole thing. The Jordan flu game of Elf on the Shelf.
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But Josh, do you remember you and I did play in that DirecTV beach ball thing together? I don't know if you remember how many times you played. And I absolutely destroyed a now mutual friend of ours, Kevin Dillon.
It was like Justin Jefferson lighting up some DB they got off the practice squad. I lit him apart.
Yeah, sadly Justin Jefferson would have been like a first grader when we played in that. He might have been born.
I think that was his birthday was the year that we played in that.

That was fun, though.

I don't remember them doing that after that year.

They stopped it because I think it was always DirecTV,

and then I think once DirecTV kind of doesn't have as big of a presence now,

so Super Bowl week, they no longer do that.

Matt, would you have a quarterback in one of those?

Because you guys play some flat. You do something together, right? Where you get to throw, will you throw? Well, I did, I did quarterback or I did play in that beach bowl.
Uh, the Miami one, I was a coach of a team that won. I remember we coached, uh, I coached Blake Lively and a bunch of other people's hystericals.
I think it was like 2006 was that or 2007 was the Miami one. And then Josh and I played in this RX three event down in Orange County.
A lot of former quarterbacks, Aaron Rogers, a big investor in this company and like guys like Josh Allen. And it's pretty cool, dude.
Like it was I and actually, that's the last time I saw you. And I will just say we I won my team won that and I was fired was fired up.
It was like the best team I've ever been on. It was an unbelievable team.
Did you stick around for the playoffs? I don't think I did. You didn't see me hoist a trophy.
I had my son with me. We had to get back.
I don't remember sticking around for the whole thing. But I remember just watching, just watching you know even that the the level of competition there's some real players in there i had one there was one dude one of the teams that literally wanted to fight i haven't been that close to like an on-field brawl my whole life until that that little art that little you know flag football tournament this kid was like up in my just trying to, I was like, what am I doing here? I'm like a 50-year-old man instead of a sophomore in college trying to pick a fight with me.
I was like, maybe it's time for me to go home. I mean, honestly, speaking of brawls, did you see, I know we're going to talk about your Vikings, but did you see the college football brawls this weekend? Did you get a chance to kind of just see all of the shit talking, everything that went down? It was pretty much every rivalry game had a flag planted or a punch thrown, which I think was kind of awesome.
I got to be honest with you. It was kind of awesome.
Well, you know, I think you got to know that when you're going to go plant a flag in the middle of the other team's home field,

punches are going to fly.

I tried to think, John, I often try to find with this show

what's the intersection of sports and pop culture

and entertainment and acting.

I can't really find any kind of Hollywood rivalry

that could emulate anything like Ohio State Michigan.

I know The Rock and Vin Diesel and Fast and the Furious. There was like a thing.
We got Drake and Kendrick. Right.
Well, that we got. That's a good beef.
That's the best one, right? I would say so by far. You didn't have any rivals, right? Is there anyone that you just wanted to punch them in the face? Is there a guy out there? No, no.
I've been lucky that way. Eric Dane and I almost got into it one time on the set, though.
We laugh about it now, but it was just a total misunderstanding. We had to do one of those little fake fights where it gets all heated, and he grabs me, I grab him.
Well, I grabbed his tie by accident, and it pulled down and tightened. And he's pushing me off he's like dude i'm so sorry about that but then we had to read you know reset and do it again and sure enough i can't play again and he got really pissed and it turned into like a thing uh but we we patched it up right afterwards it was you know i wasn't trying to choke him.
Right. That's the most we get, Matt.
We don't get into... That was the best I could come up with.
What about you, Jerry? You know, I tried to really think that the extent of what I could come up with was we did have like a little beef with Seth Rogen on the show. We said some things on Entourage about him that were attempted to be funny.
He didn't take it that way. But no, for us, we would try to organize like softball games versus The Office or versus Scrubs.
Find like one of the other comedies and be like, you know what? Let's try to do something athletic. And we never actually got to it.
You know, I remember being younger, auditioning against the same three guys every time. And not that they were rivals and we were all nice to each other, but in my mind, the competitiveness kicked in where I wanted to win and get the part.
Fortunately, you hardly ever get the part in what we do, you know? So yeah, we don't got nothing, Matt. You guys are way, way cooler than us.
We're, we're artsy fartsy, Matt. Yeah.
Hey, you played ball. You played ball back in the day.
We should just jump right into that. I mean, talk about your college career.
Well, let's talk about your son's college career first. I heard he's going to SMU.
Yeah, pretty cool, man. How awesome is that? You saw him, I think, at the flag tournament.
So that would have been two years ago almost. So, yeah, he was a freshman or sophomore.
And, yeah, he just committed last month. so he's still got another year but pretty wild like jerry and i talk about on this all the time just you know just being dads and like like for me now for him to kind of i don't even want to say follow in my footsteps because he's definitely paved his own way and he's really worked hard at this and he's kind of starting to embrace like hey i'm going to be a football player and that's fine.
But it's been really it's been really cool because I just get to be a dad and watch him. You know, obviously I give him advice and I've been through the ups and downs of sports and football at the highest levels.
But it's pretty cool, dude. So, yeah, we're fired up.
And yeah, that's awesome. Yeah.
You know, offline, I'm going to pick your brain about how you do that. I got an 11-year-old who finally is into sports.
Let me know. Not football, not yet.
He's actually getting into football a little bit, but he loves soccer. Soccer, yeah.
And he's just obsessed with it. And he's gotten really good over the last couple years.
He was terrible. Actually, the last year he really improved.
and it. And it's like, how much do you push or how much do you let them sort of do their own thing? I think there's...
My 11-month-old is going to be... He's going to be...
My wife is six foot. I'm six foot.
He's probably going to be huge. Yes.
You're ready. How do I start grooming him right now to become

a star quarterback, Matt Leinart?

What was the quarterback at USC

back in the day?

Oh, I know who you're talking about.

Marinovich, right?

Marinovich, his dad used to stretch his hand strings.

Dude, I'm not sure we want to go down.

When he was like 11 months old.

Yeah, we don't want to go down that path, Josh.

We don't want to go down that path. Listen, I have a three-year-old.
I can already see it. My three-year-old has all the talent in the world.
I just don't think he gives two shits yet. My five-year-old, not as much talent, but cares and is going to be good because he works hard.
You and I will have a conversation because also we've talked, we've talked about this too, like club sports. And is your oldest play, is he playing club soccer? He's about to try out for the first time this year.
He's playing AYSO right now. Okay.
Yeah, it just gets, it's just, it's hyper competitive. And I think it's like, what is too much? And what is, I, like, I have a conversation with my brother all the time.
I have an 11-year-old nephew who's a really good baseball player, but club. And I, and I just asked him, cause I get asked this question.
I said, what's like, what is, what is the goal? Like, what is your end goal? Is it for him to be high school soccer? Is it to be college? And then you kind of can start to like mold and just kind of figure out like, what's the best path for him to be the most successful high school soccer player or college, whatever it is. So I'd be happy to have that conversation.
It conversation it's not easy man it's been hard but it's also like it's a lot of work and and then and then it's just they have to love it you know they have to yeah want to want to put in the work so if you're a righty or lefty i forget he's a righty he's a righty he's a righty yeah i remember i remember when i was out there i knew that he was your son i was like hey that's your i want were playing catch, I remember Well, not really, because I threw one and it went about 7 feet over his head I was like, you know what, that's it Or I short-armed into the dirt or something I remember it was pretty embarrassing He looked at me like, really? You played quarterback? I don't think, I mean, right so i don't i don't know if a lot

of people know that about you what what type of and then i think i read somewhere where you almost went to dental school is that is that it so you're this is like the craziest journey ever it's like dental school qb slash dentist slash hollywood star like like how how on earth did you get to this point?

Oh, man.

Yes, it's all true.

I played football at Minas State University.

Go Beavers.

I'm sure you've heard of it.

Good logo.

Good logo.

Good logo.

Back in the mid-90s, loved it.

I love sports.

Love football.

It was like my, I thought I was going to be a professional football player and then I realized I wasn't nearly good enough

early on

and then I got my degree in biology

with the intent to go to dental school

and then

moved to

California

and I told my mom I was going

because I was going to try to get into dental school

at either USC or

UCSF or UOP

one of those good dental schools

Thank you. California.
And I told my mom I was going because I wanted, I was going to try to get into dental school at either USC or, or UCSF or UOP or one of those good dental schools. But I think I was just saying that because I really wanted to do this.
I just didn't know how, and I wanted to like sniff around or, you know, uh, you know, dip my toes in the water and see, you know, what it was about because, you know, as you know, Jerry, I had no blueprint. I didn't know.
I came straight out of North Dakota as far from the entertainment industry as you can get. So yeah, but I fully planned to go to dental school and I took the DATs.
I started applying the whole thing. I feel like you would have had a great practice and not trying to typecast you as a dentist.
I feel like you have had a predominantly female clientele. I feel like 25 year old Josh is a dentist, buttoned up, handsome guys.
I feel like you would have had a lot of ladies. You had three cleanings this month.
What are you doing back here? We just cleaned your teeth. Could you imagine how different, isn't it crazy how like one decision, obviously you've had so much success but it's like if you would have just maybe like not stuck it out or you waited for an audition or a role and you're just like you know what i'm over this i'm gonna go to dental school how different your life would be that would that would be crazy yeah you know it's uh it i think about that a lot as far as you know when i hear somebody say if i just would have done this or that but i think that you know i think that we make these decisions and it isn't it isn't one way or the other i think that you and it's not a right or wrong decision i think that if you make a decision you're going to make a lot of right decisions after that one you're going to make some wrong ones but you know if you just keep the the intent of what you're trying to go do you will eventually get there if you keep your eye on that target and try to keep it as specific as you can um i think i saw peyton manning say something like that one time where i never made a wrong decision because whenever i make a decision i make sure that's the right one i do everything after that to make sure it's the right one, you know, and there's a lot to that.
Yep. So it's not, it's not, people say it's not, you know, it's, it's who, you know, or it's, it's the lucky break, but yeah, you'll get those.
But then do you capitalize on that window of opportunity, get one. And do you recognize that window of opportunity? You know, cause oftentimes you got one right in front of you and you don't take advantage of it or you have a fear of success and you do something to self-sabotage i say that all the time i've done that myself you know a lot of people say if i only had the shot but sometimes they're caught up in something else and they don't realize that there's tons of shots right in front of them if they could just clear their head a little bit uh we're gonna move on to a deeper football talk in a second i got one last selfish thing my five-year-old now is super into transformers right so and we watched the old i showed him like the old cartoon that i used to watch and stuff like that but then i started i handpicked clips to show him of the movie because some of it's not really appropriate for him just yet.
Right. And this morning before school, I was showing him one clip and you pop on the screen.
So forgive me. I'm like, that's your Uncle Josh, Jacob.
You haven't met him yet. So you don't even know you have a nephew.
If you ever meet my son, he's like, that's my Uncle Josh who's in Transformers. But what I wanted to really quick ask on that, because I've never really, I've never, I mean, I've auditioned for some franchise stuff, but what was that Transformers process? You talk about opportunity.
You have to know in that moment, Transformers, they're launching this whole franchise. I'm sure there was so many people gunning for parts in that movie.
You know, what was that? What was getting the part, that process, like for you?

Well, I remember it like it was yesterday.

So I was meeting with two of Bay's producing partners on a movie called The Hitcher.

Sure.

So I'm sitting there in this meeting

trying to get a part on The Hitcher,

and Bay sticks his head in and says,

hey, just want to say hi. I'm working on this movie uh the transformers uh remake of the i was like what that sounds terrible idea it's that cartoon from the 80s that's going to be an awful movie that's so funny so but i do i go over afterwards and i say hello and he shows me some of the they have, some of the, you know, the preemptive sort of stuff that they've been working on.
And I was like, oh, now I get it. You know, it was a complete reimagination of what we knew as kids.
And, of course, I really wanted to get the part. They had me in a little bit later, a month or so later to read for it.
And I ended up getting the part.

And, you know, I ended up doing four of those things.

Yeah.

It was incredible.

I mean, you know, Michael Bay gets a bad rap a lot of times because he's, you know, he's, you know, they say he's a screamer and he's a dictator and he's all these things.

But he's awesome.

He really is.

He's a really fun guy to work with.

And part of that whole reputation that he has fun fun with he likes to lean into that a bit um but you know it was a it was a good solid 10 years of my life pretty much on and off making those movies yeah i feel like i'm i'm lined up to watch all those a million more times with the way my five-year-old is is trending all boys love that stuff, man. Oh, man.
Yeah, I just got him a couple of Decepticons. Like, Dad, I need the bad guys now.
And I'm always Megatron. Alright, we're clearing the decks now because what we really wanted to talk to you about, your Minnesota Vikings.
Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, 10-2.
Now, he's holding up, for those just listening, he's holding up a really cool Vikings purple and gold football. yeah, baby.
Oh, 10 and two. Now he's holding up for those just listening.
He's holding up a really cool Vikings, purple and gold football. Yeah.
Skull. Uh, look two years ago, I'm sure you must've been excited and really, really good season.
Coach had a great year lost to my giants in that first round game. I did feel two years ago.
It was, I don't want to say fraudulent cause I don't want to take away from what they were doing. They were winning a lot of close games.
Now, this year, they're doing the same thing, winning a lot of close games, but also, they just have playmakers all over the field, and that defense looks insane. So how are you feeling about your 10-2 Minnesota Vikings? Well, I'll start with your boy Daniel Jones is now a Viking.
That's my Christmas present to you. We send you Daniel Jones.
There you go. Merry Christmas.
You watch KLC turn him into an amazing quarterback. Exactly.
Matt always says that. Dude, I tell him all the time, man, where you get drafted, it matters as a quarterback.
That's for sure. It really does.
It really does. Everything.
It's everything. I mean, look at what Donald's doing right now.
The red hammer. Started with the Jets, then he went to the Panthers, and they thought he was a bust, and he's turning out to be the player they thought he was going to be because he's in the right situation now.
Yeah. You get with the right coach and the right system and the right weapons around you, it can really change.
I mean, the guy was drafted, what, fourth overall? I think third overall. Third overall? Yeah, I think so.
You know, that that's not by mistake the guy clearly had a ton of talent and now he's able to kind of show that off and i think that a lot of those you know a lot of those licks that he took in in new york and in carolina help him sort of appreciate the opportunity now he's much smarter he's probably a lot more humble than he was because you know he understands like how difficult it is to find a home where you can succeed but I'm stoked about it you know it's one of those years where I usually have huge hopes for this team this year I had none because we're you know we didn't know I didn't know if Donald was I kept hearing don't sleep on Donald that's what they kept telling me from my friends sure enough, he's been great. You know, McCarthy gets hurt.
I just figured it was going to be one of those years we just sort of build. But it's been fun to watch.
You know, they're 10-2 now. Those Lions are tough.
That NFC North is, you know, sad. It's ridiculous.
I think it's the toughest division. Oh, it's 19-3.
Yeah. So, you know, I don't know if we're as good as the Lions, but we could beat them on the right day, any given Sunday.
You know, it's one of those years you don't know who's going to win it. There's not one clear best team, I don't think.
What do you guys think? Go ahead, Matt. You kicked that off.
But I have similar feelings. NFL is tough.
And look, I think the Lions, based on last year and then just how they're playing. I look at like you got to have a defensive win.
And then are you balancing? Can you run the football in the playoffs? Especially what? And also Detroit's going to have home field. I kind of feel like it's their year.
I kind of rooting for them in that sense. In the same way that I'm rooting for Minnesota.
I think you guys deserve to make a run and win a championship. I also like Buffalo too, man.
Like I'm a huge Josh Allen fan. I always have been.
And we know, I mean, he's a great dude. He's just like, he's a, he's just a beast.
I love watching him play. And I just kind of feel like maybe this is their year.
Again, we say that every year. And then Mahomes, they do what they do in the playoffs.
But I picked a Lions-Bills Super Bowl is what I'm predicting here. I could see that.
I could see that. I'm going to be at the Vikings-Packers game in Minnesota on the 29th.
I can't wait for that. That's going to be insane.
We may take them. We play them where at home or do we play them in Detroit? We got one more game against them.
I think you have them at home. That's going to be awesome.
But oddly enough, because we talked about this last week, if Goff does get the one seed, and even if they make the Super Bowl, he will have played three outdoor games the entire year. Really? Between playing in Minnesota, in New Orleans, for the Super Bowl, at home.
He would have played three outdoor games the whole year. So it makes the argument for some teams building a dome that are these outdoor teams.
But I wouldn't do that in Buffalo, like you mentioned, Josh Allen watching him play in the snow. That guy is built to play.
Yeah, he's a lot of fun to watch. You know, to go back to our point earlier, look at what Goff is doing in Detroit.
Talk about being in the right situation now. I mean were ready to write that dude off too well you talk well sam sam went from i was just thinking he went to the niners too so he played so i told jerry i told jerry o'connell is fantastic um obviously shanahan if you're a quarterback and you look at like daniel jones like you go to these places just to like reset button you you get taught because i played for kubiak in houston which was mike shanahan was literally that whole offense so i just know firsthand like the development and how they teach that position is just it's just different it's like it's hard to explain to like to people who haven't played the position but it is just like it's like a confidence booster i don't know how else to explain it but they teach it the right way i played i played, I played for Denny Green, rest in peace.
Denny was great. And he was, you know, obviously a Minnesota coach.
Do you have, those teams were gosh, Culpeper Moss. Do you have a favorite memory or a game or maybe as a kid, you know, I know you grew up in North Dakota, but a kid that in that era of football for the Vikings? Oh God, it's mostly, it's mostly, you know, the memories are mostly heartbreak, to be honest.
Remember, I think we were 15-1 under David. Yeah, that's right.
Was it 99? Yeah, I think you're right. We'll find out.
With Moff, and they just, they were stacked. They had just a ton of people.
Robert Smith, I think. Robert Smith.
Robert Smith, Culpepper. Yeah, it was Culpepper that year.
Culpepper, yeah. Anyway, you know, but I also have a lot of great memories, just the last few years.
They used to be a team that we always were just sort of like, what are they going to do? They're going to blow it. They're going to blow it.
But they haven't been doing that under O'Connell, which has been fun to watch. You know, he's really got them believing they can win, and they should win, which is half the battles I'm sure you would probably attest to.
I was at the Minneapolis Miracle game. Oh, gosh.
I remember where I was when I watched that game. Oh, God.
That was unbelievable. I couldn't believe it.
We got Sean Payton. I don't know if you remember the game, but they can't, we were up the whole game.
Case Keenum. They come back and take the lead with, like, 15 seconds left or whatever it was.
And he's like, oh, to the crowd. I'm like, this motherfucker.
And, you know, especially after what he already did, like, back with the Bounty Gate years before that, I just, this guy, just, he's not my favorite. He's got Denver rolling right now, though.
That was probably my favorite memory, especially in person. Diggs just crying.
Diggs was crying. I remember they showed, too, on Thanksgiving this stat.
Randy Moss, three catches for 170 yards and three touchdowns.

I had to read it, like, four times.

I was like, wait, is that a real three?

Let me do the math.

Let me do the math here.

Is that even possible?

Can you get that many yards on only three catches?

Yeah, Moss was, by far, for me, and I'm not a Viking fan by any stretch,

but one of my favorite players.

Now, for you, this weekend is, you know. Yeah, and does Kirk Cousins coming back? Does he get cheated? They're not going to boo him, right? Kirk Cousins gets an applause.
I don't think they'll boo Kirk. He became pretty beloved.
You know, he had a great last couple of years there. Um, I was, I was pretty critical, but I grew to really like the guy just because I felt like he was, there were, he just, he, they paid him so much.
I just felt like he was never winning the big ones, but he did start to win a lot of big games for him, you know? So I have to, you know, eat some crow and give him his props. Cause he, he turned out to be a good quarterback.
He struggled last week. I hope he does the same this next week.
Yeah, you need one more week of those struggles. Did you see the QB on Netflix where they had – I don't know if you saw that doc.
Yeah. I think it was cool to see because I know Kirk a little bit.
It's cool to see kind of just peeling back the layers of like the everyday life of these guys. And you realize Kirk was like – I always describe Stafford as like one of the toughest dudes you'll ever see at that position just what he's doing kirk is like that kirk has taken a beating over the years and that dude just continues he plays at a high level man like he he always has you know he's a warrior stands in that pocket dude and he's not that big he just gets blasted yeah i mean at mine i was i was terrified at minot University.
I don't know how you did that for as long as you did, Matt. Josh, I get to cover college football, which is awesome.
And I see these college kids, and I literally tell myself, I'm like, you know, I've lost like 20 pounds since I played. But still, I was like, what was I thinking, man? Like, I don't know what else.
And now my oldest, my, but I think it's like one of those things as we get older, I think you're like, you're just like, it's not like fear, but it's just like, as I got later in my career, I was like, man, like, I don't want to get hurt anymore. I just want to like, you kind of like collect a paycheck and you just ride it as long as possible.
Obviously. Whereas when you're young, you're just like, you don't really give a shit.
You're just out there. You're getting blasted.
You're getting up.

And my son doesn't care.

I'm just like, man,

I used to have that mentality.

But now when I watch these kids,

I'm like, dude,

if I got hit right now,

I'd break in half.

I'd literally break in half.

It's not fun.

And you're not that far removed.

Imagine being my 52-year-old ass

and trying to think about...

But I'll say this, man.

You are the most handsome 52-year- old we know. Oh, thanks, man.
I am in full hair and makeup right now. I do the salt and pepper, salt and pepper is a good look.
I did, uh, I did text, uh, I guess a mutual friend of ours. I know him a little bit.
You probably know him much better. Nick Swartzen, who's the only other Vikings fan I know that's really all in.
And I asked, I text him real quick. I'm like, Josh is coming on.
Who's a bigger Vikings fan? For real. You or him.
He said, me, not even close, not even close. Me.
Ask him about tickle balls. That's the only sport he knows.
If you know Swartzen, that was, that was the most Sw I think he could have sent back. Very on brand.
He hates it when they mention me as a Viking fan and not him. Oh, God.
You're not even from Minnesota. What are you doing? You're from North Dakota.
Josh, I used to live right on like Fountain and Holloway where that Barney's Beanery is in West Hollywood, right? During my single days. I used to walk from my apartment to that restaurant, Hugo's it's called, on Santa Monica Boulevard.
Sometimes I go on a Sunday afternoon and I would walk. And if the Vikings were ever playing the late game out west, Swartzen would be at Barney's.
Adrian Peterson, Jersey. By himself sometimes, just screaming at the TV.
I really think he is number one, definitely in Hollywood, but maybe up there all time Vikings fan. Yeah, he's a huge Vikings fan.
That's how we bonded, really. I saw when I first met him, he was wearing a twins hat, and I was like, are you a twins fan? He's like, I'm from Minnesota.
I was like, what? That's what I wanted to ask, but if you cast him, how much of that factor into you casting him when you direct the buddy game? Well, I'm obviously a huge fan of his, too. I think he's hilarious.
Hilarious. But it did make it easier, you know, convincing him to come do the movie.
You know, your boy Kevin Dillon. You know, I've gotten to know a lot of you guys now.
The only one I don't know is Adrian. But I played golf with Kevin the other day.
Oh, you did? So, yeah, I know the whole crew with connelly or dale connelly well connelly i didn't play golf with dylan yet but uh you know we've done the two movies now with dylan yeah nicest guys in the world man really i mean kevin dylan is just a sweetheart isn't he he yeah we had him on he's awesome all of them on the pod a few weeks ago. We haven't even aired the episode yet

because it takes like four years to edit those guys

because we just went for like two hours.

So we're going to drop that one.

I was in heaven, man.

That was great.

It really was awesome with those two.

But then when I heard he was going to do the movie with you

and then I saw Swartzen, I was like,

oh man, that's going to be awesome.

And now I can't even be in Buddy Games 3 if there's another one. You're not going to cast me and Dylan together.
You wouldn't go down that road, would you? I'm thinking about doing a third, actually. Do it.
Those are awesome movies. Well, I appreciate that.
Yeah. Hey, Matt.
Can I get like a two-second cameo? Let's hear it. Let me pitch you the idea first.
So I want to call it Bloody Games.

And it'd be the last one.

And it's like a thick scream, you know, like a comedy horror.

And we just kill every character brutally and hilarious.

And who's going to shoot?

I feel like you kill me in the opening title sequence.

And then I feel like Liner gets it after act one.

No, actually, I should kill some.

I throw a football.

I don't know.

I should kill somebody. Like just some a football...
I don't know. I should kill somebody.

Like, just some random stupid way to die.

That's all my ideas.

So, honestly, I was thinking about that.

It was actually Nick's idea.

But I think it'd be fun.

I don't know.

We'll see.

All right.

You don't have to cast me.

All I want is, can I just...

Could you and I have a conversation about

if Dylan doesn't survive and gets whacked, how you kill Dylan? Can I just be in the writer's room for that? Please. I'll take whatever.
He's really going to get it. I mean, he's going to be long and painful.
Do like an homage to the blob, maybe. Kevin famously was in the blob in like 79.
We could do a blob homage. Can you believe how long that dude's been in the business? I think about that all the time.
When he started Entourage, I'm like his age now. By that point, he was already Platoon, The Doors, The Blob, all these crazy movies.
Who knew that he's also one of the funniest people around town so yeah he's a good dude really good i gotta tell the story i this is good i hope it's an acting story matt it's an acting story so it made me think of throwing a football at somebody so i was i was uh right out of college and i was in um house bunny so one of sandler's movies so he reached out and I made a cameo with Sean Salisbury. So we're at, I'll never forget, dude, it was the funniest shit ever.
So we're at the playboy mansion and we're shooting a pool scene and it's me and Salisbury talking. And then Anna Ferris comes in with whoever else.
And this is like our whole thing. And then I, there's one where I'm, I'm throwing a football to somebody.
And then obviously, so this is after the scene. So now I'm doing takes of throwing a football.
And I have to drill this dude in the back in the pool or something. And I'm like, there's like hundreds of people there on set.
Sandler's making fun of me, you know, whatever. And I'm just like, dude, there's a lot of pressure right here.
And no, and I swear to God, I couldn't make this up. I think I hit him the first time.
Hit him like in the back, like the back right shoulder. Like, can you, can you try and get a little more center? I'm like, I'm like probably 15 yards away.
So it's not like a long throw, but I'm like, I'm gonna do my best guys. So then I, the next throw, I swear to God, I just chuck it.
It goes over the guy's head and it hits this. She must've been a playmate.
She was in a bikini right in the freaking square of the face, dude. You Marsha Brady her? You remember? You guys remember Josh Richman? Remember Josh Richman? Josh? Jerry does.
Oh, yes. Yeah.
So anyway, Josh, a good buddy. He was there.
He was right next to me. And it was like, I don't know.
It was all Sandler's crew. We watched.
And we were, I was like, I thought, I think it made the blooper outtakes, dude. It was the funniest shit ever.
So, my point is is I have experience just breaking someone's nose. Well, I'm curious.
Did she get hurt? No, I honestly was like, what's going to happen, guys? Am I going to get sued? I had no idea. I was like 23 years old.
Everyone was dying. She was fine, but it was bad.
It was honestly pretty bad. Yeah, there's nothing worse than that.
I felt horrible. You got a rocket for an arm, Matt.
That's what happens. If you were a little more accurate, maybe you were going to say.
That's why Sandler was like, are you fucking kidding me, dude? You're an NFL quarterback. I was like, dude, I'm not.
This is... Anyway, good story.
If you know i'm here i'm here for you all right i'll remember that was there ever a sports movie or a football movie or something that you were up for that you didn't get or one that you really wished because i i really think about sports movies all the time i think they're in a lot of trouble because the documentaries are so good so i feel like i don't know if we're really going to get script. I feel like they're all kind of cheesy now.
Yeah. So I always try to sit around and think, what's a great scripted sports movie? And I still clearly haven't cracked it.
But what were some of your sports movie influences? And then once you started your acting career, was there ever, me, I always think like Rudy, that's probably the only role I could have played. An undersized linebacker for Matt's favorite school, Notre Dame.
Anything for you that jumps to mind? You look like him. You know, I don't.
Yeah, I mean, I always wanted to because it drives me crazy when I watch a movie. It's the worst.
It's the worst. When they can't throw or they can't dribble or they can't shoot.
You can tell they never played the game. It's infuriating.
It drives me crazy. And I see that a lot.
I'm like, why the fuck did I get a chance to play this? I can at least throw a football. Am I that bad of an actor? I got one.
I got the movie you would have crushed, I think. Have you ever seen The Replacements? Yeah.
I feel like you and the Keanu part. I mean, Keanu Reeves was great in it but alt universe

I feel like

I think you were maybe

a little younger

than him at the time

like so

but alt universe

I feel like you

in the replacements

or if you were

slightly older

the Quaid part

in any given Sunday

although he was already

like the aging quarterback

I feel like

you would have

cast you as a quarterback

basically

I said varsity blues

that would have been good you know I love all thoseing you as a quarterback, basically. I said Varsity Blues.
That would have been good. I love all those movies.
At this point in my career, I don't try to think too much on it because I would be a coach. Right.
Probably a coach towards the end of his career at this point. But yeah, it was one of those things that I always wanted to do, and I did a little bit of it, but never like a movie where I was a guy who played, he's a former quarterback, but there's not much football in the movie, you know? So I never got a chance to really do it, which would have been fun.
Would you ever want to direct maybe a sports movie or uh well i directed both of the buddy games movies

and i'm about to go direct uh i'm about to go so that was sort of sporty but not really a sports movie um uh i would you know i would but as you know it's a it's it's a heavy lift i thought that I wanted to direct and it to direct and I'm about to go do one in

January.

And man, it is five months,

six months of

all-consuming, you know, from

prep all the way through

delivering it

and marketing it and the whole thing.

So I gotta really love it.

I gotta really love it.

And I really do like this one I'm about to go do. It's about these two

dads who are fighting to get their kid into this

last spot in this

Thank you. I got to really love it.
I got to really love it. And I really do like this one I'm about to go do.

It's about these two dads who are fighting to get their kid into this last spot in this pretentious preschool in London.

It's pretty realistic.

Exactly.

Welcome to my life.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's about to happen.

We've already started prep on that.

We'll go, we start shooting, I think, January 27th in London.

Awesome.

So, yeah.

Well, also, too, I mean, I do want to talk to you a little bit

before you go about Gatlin Health because I just turned 45.

I'm another November birthday, like yourself.

What's your birthday?

November 25th, so just passed.

Yep.

Thank you. Gatlin health because I just turned 45.
I'm another November birthday like yourself. And what's your birthday? November 25th.
So just passed. Yeah.
I used to be real out of shape. I have a terrible reference point because my twenties, I was 200 pounds.
I'm five, six. And then I got in really good shape all throughout my thirties, got down to like one 45, really felt good.
And now as I'm in my forties have been fine i got the two little kids so the workouts are a little shittier the diet is not as good and i am just uh i don't know i'm struggling a little bit put on a few but anyway i know you are heavily involved in gatlin health right which focuses on men's health and i feel like a 45 year-old chubby Italian dude is a perfect client for your company. Sounds like you need EV medication.
Yes, I do. Yes, please help.
Send help. So, no, yeah, we started this company that we started, we're about to launch in January.
We started, we sort of soft launched. And right now we're just sort of getting all the bugs worked out.
But it's a telemedicine company really like along the lines of hymns and Roman. But you know, it's, it's one of those things that do I want to be the face of testosterone replacement therapy? Right.
That was my biggest question because I, truthfully I've been doing it now for five years and it changed my world. I love it.
Really? See, I have a million questions me too gosh so TRT has been like it's one of those things that guys don't want to talk about there's a lot of shame around it's got a stigma and we want to destigmatize it and shine a light on it and make it okay because it is you know and it really does improve you know your quality of life because for me too too, and, you know, through my, through my third, my forties, especially I struggled. Yeah.
And, um, when they brought me this idea, uh, my buddy knew that I had been taking it, but I didn't know if I wanted to be, um, that involved, but sorry. All right.
That's how we know you're in LA.A. Exactly.
So, yeah, it's been so it's become a huge part of what I've been working on over the

last several years now.

Just, you know, launching a company like this is a big deal.

All the FDA compliance stuff.

Yeah, sure.

All of the, you know, it's a medical company.

But I truly believe that we're going to be able to change a lot of dues lives.

We're going to offer TRT. We offer these longevity stacks, which include like metformin, rapamycin, all these things that sort of slow the effects of aging.
And then we'll do all the things that HIMSS and Roman do, you know, hair growth, ED. Yeah, I'm the face of a company that sells

ED medication. Hey, we're going to get

them on as one of our sponsors, Sue. What are you

talking about? Every time you get a Woody,

every time you get a Woody, you'll think of me,

Jerry.

Listen, I will say,

some of the videos that you've put out,

though, where you're just

talking, I think it's such a

smart way to go because it doesn't feel like a

commercial. It doesn't feel like, hey, here's

Thank you. I think there's a lot of guys out there who are feeling it, but they don't really know.
I mean, you can actually remedy it. That's the thing is we don't have to get old at an earlier age than we need to.
You can be athletic and strong and all the things that you were when you were in your 30s, well into your 60s, even 70s, if you take care of yourself. So we don't want to just be a company that, you know, all the things that you were when you were in your thirties, well into your sixties, even seventies, if you take care of yourself.
So we're not, we don't want to just be a company that, you know, doles out pills. We want to be, we want to be an overall wellness company too.
So if you're taking Ozepic or the GLP ones, the semaglutides or trisepatides, you don't want to just lose the weight and not have a plan to go with that because then you just look like a skinny fat dude yeah you want to be you want to still like work out you want to retain that muscle mass um and and you know you want your wife to to to still want you man you know i got a wife who's quite a bit younger than me and that's the big reason i'm doing it good for you so she doesn't kick me out of the bedroom listen josh you're the best luck with the movie in January. Yeah, thanks for joining us, buddy.
It's good to see you, man. Later, dudes.
Later, man. Thanks for having me.
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That's cash app. I feel like I'm going to be using them a lot this Christmas season, but we're looking for our money moment now, Matt.
What is the throwback money moment this week? Well, it's a quarterback and we just talked to Josh about sort of quarterbacks getting a second chance, whether it's going to a new franchise or maybe, you know, backing up and then getting another opportunity. And then what do you do with that opportunity? Right.
That's kind of what life is about. Bryce Young to me is my money moment.
And, um, you know, this kid, honestly, like we might've talked about on the pod was down and out six weeks ago. Like we were just like, is he going to get traded? Uh, what's going to happen? Is he a bus? Like all of a sudden I've, I've lived it.
Like all of a sudden you start getting labeled with that. Um, this dude, and I pulled this up because it was pretty fascinating, right? He gets benched for Andy Dalton, not playing well.
And then Andy, and then Bryce Young gets back and the last four games, five touchdowns, a pick almost 900 yards passing. He's led his team to a game-tying or game-winning drive in all four games and for the five starts, third-highest-graded passing quarterback since week nine.
And this was a kid who literally you watched him on the sideline and you look like someone just died in his family. Like it was just sad, right? So proud of him.
I'm proud of, uh, just kind of taking, taking the month to kind of sit back. And then all of a sudden, Hey, when you get another opportunity, go ball, go let a rip who gives a shit.
Right. And that's what he's doing.
And now he's got a chance to be the guy next year. Maybe he's got a chance to go somewhere else and compete.
So, uh, that's my money moment, man. He's been balling.
I'm with you. That is such a money moment because you even saw it a little bit with Anthony Richardson.
Is this now a thing that we didn't used to see, but we're going to see more of? Where, hey, sit for like a few weeks and let's see if we can get this back. It's so smart when you think about it.
Well, the problem is, and when we had Kurt when we had Kurt Warner on the same thing, it's like these kids just get, they get drafted and they they're expected to play week one and they're just not ready. Most of them aren't ready.
And I mean, look at Caleb, Caleb's playing well, Jane, like, like, but then you still go through growing pains. Right.
And it also depends on where you play. So it's like, sometimes it's good to go in and just learn and back up and take the mental reps and just learn the game and learn that learn the week to week preparation, understand how it all works.
And then when you do get the chance to play, like you have all the talent, then you go play. And like, sometimes it works out.
Sometimes it doesn't. But a lot of these, a lot of these high graphics get thrust into a situation where it's just like dude you're doomed for failure so for him to come back and ball and just take advantage of this last month is it's awesome man this got me thinking um we're gonna do some fun awards that are more so sports awards but with hollywood and acting because i started thinking all right who's a great comeback story like bryce young in in Hollywood? There's no one currently that I could think about where it's happening, but just some in the past that stuck out to me, Travolta.
Travolta was, I'm not going to say down and out because he had a lot of success early, but then he hit this wall and then Tarantino with Pulp Fiction revitalizes him. Downey Jr.
certainly, again, amazing actor, had a lot of success young it just wasn't working out and an iron man has that's probably the greatest comeback in the history of hollywood and and now he's going back into the marvel universe but yeah it's just a good story you like to see i guess the risk is if bryce comes back and it looks even worse then you're like all right well i guess as an organization then you kind of know what you might have to do. But now I think it makes the Carolina situation really interesting going into the draft.
Well, that's what I was going to say. It's actually makes it more challenging for them because now it's like, Hey, this kid maybe just needed to like a step back kind of reset.
And now all of a sudden you can see the potential and you can see why they drafted him that high. But then do you, you know, do you, do you pass on maybe? And I just say that for this draft you know i think shador is is the number one and there's a lot of quarterback needy teams at the top two of them in new york yeah as you know the raiders are up there maybe the saints like caroline are they or maybe maybe they like him enough and they may be bringing a vet to compete but then they go get a really good player like like they're gonna going to, it almost puts them in a little conundrum, but you know what? Good for Bryce.
Like that's what you're supposed to do. Make it difficult on the organization.
So I'm happy for him, man. He deserves it.
Shout outs to Cash App and my money moment already is now for next year I already have it. It's the NFL draft because there's good quarterbacks quarterbacks not surefire ones and a lot of teams that need quarterbacks be a lot of action in that in the draft by the way just real quick real quick real quick how do we just how do we feel about danny dimes just being gone debbie we talked about this for a long you've been with him now for what four or five years and he's just gone yeah we just gone now that we we teased dumao that that was our christmas present to him but i'm not gonna lie it's like wiped from my brain because it's so many other problems with the giants there's so many other problems i don't know if our coach is staying if our gm is staying uh i don't know if dexter lawrence is going to start complaining about wanting out.
Neighbors has been unshakable in media. And finally, with Daniel Jones, lost it a little bit, but more so with Dable.
Why am I not getting the ball? There's so many other things. Daniel Jones has already been wiped from my memory.
And I have zero doubt he's going to turn up somewhere next year, maybe New Orleans, maybe Oakland, who the hell knows,

with a little O'Connell in his life, and he might be good.

Who knows?

I was going to say, like, Saquon just having –

we always knew Saquon was good, right?

Right, but Darnold is the best example.

Like, the Jets cut bait, and now Darnold's great.

Jones goes, and, like, wherever he ends up, and he balls,

or he's like – I mean, how pissed are the Giants?

It's going to be hilarious.

You know what's going to happen. If the NFL – It's for sure is scripted, that's what's going to happen.
Oh, man. All right.
Well, yeah. Again, shout outs to Cash App.
Appreciate you. And now it's time for our throwback three, our best brawls.
We did talk a lot about Malice in the Palace last week, so we're going to leave that one out. It's probably number one all the time.
Yeah, changed the course of sports in a lot of ways. So we're going to leave that one out.
It's probably number one all the time. Yeah.
Yeah. Change the course of sports in a lot of ways.
So we're going to go a little off the menu on that level, but what do you got, man? Okay. So this was interesting because there were some that I remember and then there's some that I got to be honest with you.
I was just online. I was just like, oh my God, that was great.
Oh, I remember this. Oh, this was awesome.
So this could easily be number one for me.

But it's number three is Orioles-Yankees 1988.

Oh, 1988.

Yeah.

Am I wrong on the year?

88 or 98?

I don't know which one you're going.

I'm going Benitez.

Yeah, that's 98.

Okay, 98.

My bad.

My bad.

That was a typo.

Okay.

So the reason why I love this is because the end is like when Strawberry just comes in. And Daryl was one of my favorite players growing up.
And he was one of the very few players I got his autograph, I think, when he was with the Mets. Anyways, Benitez, I wrote some notes on this because I was like, okay, so Yankees first, Orioles last place.
Umpires, I don't even remember this, umpires before the game called this and said, there's going to be a brawl. There's something brewing.
Get ready. Because they were ready to toss everybody out.
But Nites gives up a home run to Bernie Williams, right? Then Tino Martinez comes up. And he just shoves it right up his back.
Fastball. Then of a sudden you know brawl comes out then the two pitchers from the yankees bullpen come in and start trying to get to benitez the best part of it i just teased it with strawberries all of a sudden things are kind of calmed down and they're right by the dugout and then you just see freaking daryl strawberry flying in with like a left haymaker and knock benitez out.
It was like the greatest, like no look punch I've ever seen. Total, like, like honestly, total cheap shot, but it was awesome.
So that's my number three, man. I mean, and it's baseball brawls are the best.
And that one too, if you want to really relive it, uh, and I know I referenced the Jeter doc, the captain over and over on the show, but you hear Strawberry talk about it. And I think to this day, if he can get his hands on Benitez, he would.
Oh yeah. You know, he, he, everybody listening, just go on YouTube, just pull it up because he just cold clocks him right at the end.
I got it nowhere. Go rewatch.
You know what? Go rewatch the whole thing. Go YouTube it.
Watch the whole thing. Cause, uh, that was on a rabbit hole this week, dude.
I was down a rabbit hole. Strawberry said, um, I said, if Tori didn't pull me off, we'd still be in the dugout fighting.
And you could, you see him like run around the whole brawl and just make a beeline. Yeah, that was good.
All right. So mine is going to be a little homery because it just is what it is.
But I was at this one. I was in the building and I was sitting courtside.
So it wasn't Knicks game. Knicks, Nuggets.
Before Mello was a Knick, he was on the Nuggets. I was sitting next to Fat Joe.
Fat Joe. And I forget who else.
The curse of the Yankees. You know my superhero ability is I could tell you when a fight's going to happen 30 seconds before.
I think I was with my brother. I leaned over to him.
I said, some bad shit's going to happen. Isaiah Thomas was the Knicks coach.
Nuggets were up by 40. J.R.
Smith on fast breaks is doing ollie-oop to himself, double pump dunks. They're just running up to score.
Isaiah Thomas, you see it. He goes over to Marty Collins, who's the 12th man on the bench, whispers something to him and sends him in the game.
J.R. Smith gets on another breakaway and then boom.
He hits him. Nate Robinson, little 5'9", Nate Robinson comes and tackles J.R.
Smith into the first row. Now, I already backed away, but our whole row started moving away from the fight, and then Jared Jeffries is going over there to try to break it, and Mello from behind, might be all-time biggest sucker punch ever, just turns around, just whack, overhand writes him.
Jeffries took it well, that was like a regular season game in february didn't mean nothing and i was there for it so that one that had to be to be there for a fight like that has got to be awesome again that's how i know what malice in the palace i i was already telling my brother like we should get the fuck out we should get out of here yeah we need to go we need to go this is gonna get bad all right i'm staying i'm baseball. One of my favorite players growing up, and I don't know if you saw the doc of the Nolan Ryan doc.
Oh, yeah. Did you see that? Absolutely.
Actually, kind of just, like, not a ton of personality in that doc, but it just made you love him more. Just like the dude was all business.
So, obviously, I'm going Robin Ventura, Nolan Ryan. And.
And like the brawl broke out. It was really mainly those two guys, 1993.
The cool thing about this was Ryan was 45 or 46 years old. So he was your age, dude.
Think about that. And Robin was 25 or 26.
Obviously hits him and Ventura takes a couple steps and just charges. And I, I love, I love, like, I love when big, when big ass pitchers are just like, bring it on.
Let's go. Like, like, let's go.
Like, let's rumble. He gets Ventura in a headlock and just starts throwing uppercuts, like three or four uppercuts.
And then like, honestly, I think it kind of like died out soon after, but just like watching that doc made me love Nolan Ryan. Cause he was like part of my, I was a pitcher growing up.
So it was like my baseball is my favorite sport and he was one of my favorite players. But for him to do that at 46 years old and just like, honestly, just not give a fuck and just say like, dude, come at me.
It's gotta be the best feeling dude on the mound. Just knowing that you're going to throw out a guy and he's coming at you and let's go.
Like, let's go one-on-one. Also, you got to think for Robin Ventura.
Maybe that's why we don't see him on tons of podcasts. That's such a rough look.
It's a terrible look, dude, honestly. You charge out there.
You're the young guy. You go up against the light.
First of all, you're charging a guy. I mean, he's still up there in years i'm sure he hates talking no one ryan's like six four like it was like six five like two fifty like he's like this fucking nolan ryan and he's just a great big text dude just big text just just uppercut i didn't know ryan punched like a four like i imagine like that's how i if i god forbid had to get into a fight i'd like go for that headlock usually like when they charge the mound it's like you know maybe they'll wrestle a little bit like someone gets thrown in the ground and then it's like you know like it's chaos and it's over like this was one where he was just getting shots in before everything came it was freaking awesome my number two i'm gonna go into the boxing world for a moment now there's quite a few you could choose from that involved Mike Tyson a little bit, but it was Mike Tyson, Andrew Gulotta.
If you have not seen that fight, ladies and gentlemen listening to Throwbacks right now, go check it out. There was some warnings and disqualifications.
Tyson basically, there's a very famous photo of Tyson flexing from behind other like from behind overhead and the other side of the photo was like 40 cops and people from Galata's camp just looking like like terrified someone got hit in the head with a walkie-talkie it was complete and utter mayhem and that's where one of those moments where you believed with Tyson like all right this dude is just about destruction so i had to go in the boxing world and i want to point out i don't know if you're going to hockey for your number one i am i know okay good because there's about a thousand and i didn't go that route because you could fight in hockey which is always the best me that but it's almost like the one sport where you're carrying around a weapon and that's the sport where you're allowed to fight fight. By the way, you're allowed to fight.
But hockey's got a lot. I have no idea where you're going with number one.
I would say there was a lot of kind of cool NASCAR fights that are kind of crazy and underrated. I had Lakers-Celtics back when McHale closed like Rambis, which really didn't end up in a brawl, but it was like Larry Bird was talking shit in the paper before that game.
That was one. I don't know if you're going there.
So I am going Red Wings Avalanche in 97. So I was 14 years old and I was at about 10 years old.
I was a diehard hockey fan. So baseball, this, but like, I love the LA Kings.
That's how my love came for the Kings. Like I think in 93 or 94 is when they made the cup run against the Canadians and they lost.
So I was just like, I was a big hockey fan in the nineties. And I just watched this.
It might've been a 30 for 30 or a doc, but it was, uh, on this whole fight. And I remember watching, I think last year I was like, holy, like this is the greatest brawl in the history of sport so it started in 96 when claude lemieux just laid out draper and broke his face like yeah right like like and claude lemieux like and really started this rivalry because they ended up playing each other in the playoffs all this kind of stuff um game six 96 western conference finals he did that and then in 97 in march it was kind of like this lead up they were playing each other and they you just knew right you like when they when the guys talk about on the doc you're like we knew something was going to happen and we're going to be ready so darren mccard i think i don't know how like lemieux whatever they're starting to fight and mccarty just comes out of nowhere and just absolutely just just decks him the best part about it was the goalies patrick wall and yeah i remember this the hockey remember that the hockey like hockey fights are great because a lot of them are premeditated like have you ever talked to a hockey guy oh they know you know they're like hey you want to get into it like you ready and then they'll just like start throwing and it's awesome right like people love it love it.
This thing, you just knew it was like goalies, defensemen.

Like it was like, you better keep your head on a swivel.

And Waugh versus Mike Vernon, I think.

Yeah, Vernon.

Just like, just beeline for each other. Like that goalies and everyone's just throwing haymakers, dude.

It's like, it's the greatest like sports melee outside of Malice in the Palace.

In my opinion, that was like, it's just like, that and also like i just think hockey fights are the best so that's my number one man like that fight was incredible and then just goalies just like fuck it man we're all dropping gloves and we're going yeah the hawk we could do a whole separate one i mean the hockey there's millions of them them. I'm curious to see where you go with this.
Well, I was leaning potentially 0-3 Yankees-Red Sox brawl. That's the one where Zimmer gets thrown to it.
Only because I think that sparked the Yankee win. But then in 0-4, the combat, like the A-Rod-Varitek fight fight that sparked it the other way so i don't want to

touch that because i think ultimately the red socks won that those two brawls because it led to crazy you know crazy run for the socks so my number one going back to the garden it's nick's miami heat 1998 with a game with zoe and larry johnson squared off and it ends up with jeff Van Gundy hanging from Alonzo Morning's leg.

It's such a great clip. It's a great clip.
It's a great game. The game was already in hand, but another one of those where you felt it happening.
Remember, Larry Johnson and Zoe played together in Charlotte. They were teammates on the Hornets, so you thought there would have been some love there.
That's two big old dudes, too. I know, but Zoe, I mean, Larry Johnson was jacked.
I mean, Zoe was, yeah. Zoe was that, but like five inches bigger.
So, but that brawl was unbelievable. And obviously the Knicks going around.
But what used to suck is like the Knicks were the first team. I want to say, I think it was a different Miami Heat series with a brawl years before where players, you, you know, that's where like the leave the bench thing and you get suspended came from.
And then the Knicks were heavily penalized and ended up losing a series, not 98, a different year where you guys just left the bench and then they got suspended for like game five of the deciding game. So, but yeah, that one, cause then, you know, the Knicks go on a pretty good run after that.
You know, it a great basket that's great that i looked up was remember when shack went after barkley and i didn't like their i think barkley's mom called shack at halftime or something like you two stop fighting it was just funny because now they're like you know they're on the show and they're best friends and that came up on and i watched it and it was like i think barkley threw the ball at him or or something. And then Shaq just, and then they're both on the ground wrestling.
Like talk about two, like Charles is, Charles is about six, five, but Charles is a massive human being. I'll tell you who should have started a brawl with Shaq, even though he might've lost that too.
I think one of the most savage posterization, disrespectful get dunking on someone was Shaq dunkinging on former Nick Chris Dudley. I don't know if you remember this clip.
Go Google it if you don't remember. You'll recognize me.
See, he dunks and then swings his leg and just like embarrassed to the point where Dudley just picked up the ball and threw it at Shaq, but didn't want to fight. By the way, that's a great throwback.
Humiliating. Best posterized dunk for all time.
Oh, for sure. One of them's got to be Vince Carter, but we should do that.
He's got to be, yeah. That's a good one.
That made me think of Andrew Bynum dunking on Shaq. A young Andrew Bynum dunking on an older Shaq.
They were kind of talking shit, you know, because he was the next center. There's a lot of good under the radar ones.
There's a lot of better ones than that, but that was, yeah. And you don't see that at times.
I mean, Anthony Edwards catches a lot of bodies, so. He does.
All right. Matt.
Listen, everyone listening, watching, like, send us your best brawls, man. Tag us at Throwback Show because there's so many good ones.
Send the hockey ones. Don't be afraid.
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