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I've got a bit of drilling outside.

I don't know if

you can hear the drilling.

No, no, I can't hear anything.

There'll be noise on my end, dude.

There'll be some on mine, too.

We're having

our deck fixed,

which is just outside the garage.

So there'll be noisy.

Hello, everyone.

Welcome to the Truffles Book.

We have started.

That's all.

All that gold is left now.

All that gold left behind in the mine.

We could go over it again.

No, just we can just

chatting.

We were just chatting about how it's noisy in the background.

You're right.

Normally, we're never just chatting.

You don't have to be sad about it.

That was literally 10 seconds of chat that we've now

wasted 20 seconds complaining that it's it's gone it's lost in the mists of time yeah um the mists of time have taken that conversation here's here's uh here's some some news if you like i i have an air conditioner now

like a big like a big boy

big boy it's a it's a unit on wheels right that uh yeah oh he's cold motherfucker tell you what this thing will make you cold it's it's is it uh is it loud um so i i'll be honest with you it says it's whisper quiet but it's kind of like that Simpsons bit with the blender.

Right.

It's whisper quiet.

You know, like that.

I'm not going to say it's, it's like super loud because we sleep with either a fan on, like a big floor fan, which is a loud fucker, or a white noise machine, which is also loud.

So this to me is nothing.

This is no big deal.

Some people are like, oh, I can't sleep with that noise.

I need background like white noise or brown noise

to help me sleep.

So this is no problem mode for me.

And the only thing is, is I'm going to be moving it between two rooms, the office here and the bedroom.

And so I'm not going to like hardline, wire it into a window and have it there as a permanent thing.

It's a mobile fixture and I just stick the hose where it needs to go basically.

But I'm loving it.

I think it's fantastic.

Good.

So haven't needed it.

Basically, you've, oh, you haven't turned it on.

Haven't needed it.

We turned it on, but haven't needed it is what I'm saying.

Right.

You're going to need it this weekend.

It's going to be a good one.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Well, what I needed for another one.

Right, exactly.

So I bought it, and then the weather changed.

We've had quite a cool few days, even had some rain.

And now I'm starting to think, oh, shit, it's getting hot again.

I'm just sitting here sweating.

This is when the AC will come to the fore.

We are on this.

We are coming up with a very sweaty weekend.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

Another sweaty one, yeah.

Another sweaty one.

It's three days of

blistering heat here in the UK.

For everywhere else in the world, it's just a normal day.

But obviously, just a reminder, none of us have aircon, apart from PFLAX.

And as I meant to

in my garage, not in my house.

66% of us have aircon.

This is an incorrect question.

Well, not in his bedroom, though.

So

he does possess it.

So, so has this replaced the Pidgey situation?

Do you see what I mean?

The Pidgey situation is ongoing.

With a sealed area that now has hot air blasting out to frighten them away.

No, Pidgey Sitch is ongoing.

And in fact, it's a bit more of a dramatic turn than I would have liked.

Well, okay, I'm ready for it.

Okay.

Tell me.

So fill me in.

I was happy with the situation as is.

But with King Pidgey and with Mr.

and Mrs.

Pidgey, and then in the afternoons, Bachelor Pidgey.

Okay.

So Mr.

and Mrs.

Pidgey would turn up in the morning and they would coo at me and I would feed them and they would eat and then they would go.

And then they might come back for lunch, they might come back for dinner and I'd give them a little bit of seed each time.

In between this, there was a bachelor pidgey who occasionally would try to join them as a throttle and they would peck him until he left.

No problem.

I thought he became King Pidgey.

I thought he had taken over there.

That's what happened subsequently.

So then a bunch of pidgeys, a gang of pidgeys basically discovered that i was feeding pigeons yeah the word got around the pigeon neighborhood and so i went to put some feed out on the monday of this week and it was like the the scene from the birds where the tippy hedron's getting attacked ah like that that was me there's just pigeons everywhere they're all biting and flapping and there's feathers and seeds going everywhere and i closed the window i was like no more and i made a sign at them i hope they understood no more and they all pecked at the window and looked really sad and cooed at me so they're here right now so i've barely been feeding them over the last few days trying to wean them off it trying to get back.

Mr.

and Mrs.

Pidgey, though, they still turn up and they're on the window.

They're looking at me.

I'm like, just for you guys, I'll sneak some out there.

And then Bachelor Pidgey, who's quite a chill dude, I'll sneak him out.

See, he's here right now.

Hey there.

Hey there, Mr.

Pidgey.

All right, you get some feet because you're a good lad.

You've got

this guy.

He's got some mega diplomacy going on here.

He's making plays.

He's making some huge plays.

Yeah.

It's got to the point now where I'm looking after these pigeons.

I've got them a little bowl of water that I've blue-tacked onto the windowsill so they don't knock it off.

They drink that.

They eat the seeds.

It's pretty cool.

But

yeah,

it reached a head where they were literally, one of them flew in at my head while I was streaming and I had to like get him out.

But then somebody clipped that.

And then there was a subsequent attack where he sat on my bin and I hadn't noticed he'd come in.

And then he flew at me and landed on the desk, flapped at me like crazy and flew off.

And I was like, right, this is ridiculous.

But now it's so hot the window has to be open.

They just keep coming in.

I've made a rod for my own back here.

There's no no one to blame but me.

They just keep coming in.

Yeah,

it's no one to blame but yourself.

And

you need something else, Fred.

Like,

you need something else.

I need something else.

Okay, okay, I can help you.

Are you saying my life is empty?

Are you going to recommend the Samaritans?

Let me send you a recipe for pigeon pie.

Look.

I think you could.

I know I'm vegan, but I'm saying is that you've got like, you've got this well-fed, you know oh no

i would never betray them like that they're so

well looked after you know they're not covered in parasites i should i would eat no i would eat i would eat wood pigeon if if if offered it at a at a nice restaurant in fact i think i have had pigeon when we were in france i might have had pigeon and it's tasty but these are these are like my friends i wouldn't eat them just like if i was on a farm and i had a pig i wouldn't eat the pig listen you've but you've also got a problem and i'm saying there's you can kill

one stone don't talk about killing birds he's right

i don't have a problem but it's easily worked out all i have to do is just when we go away for example when we go to japan they ain't get any seed then so they're gonna they're gonna give up they're gonna have to defend for themselves they'll never give up though they'll come back they will come back they always do they'll cycle around just to check every day you know if you've returned are you gonna live

slow release no seed on the windowsill no oh you are you're gonna be you're gonna buss out and you're gonna give some you're gonna get someone to come around and feed you no i'm not i promise you i'm one of my one of my regular viewers elliot he's he's a carpenter and he's i was discussing that i wanted a platform that fits onto the windowsill with clamps and then it struts out so i don't have to have them on my windowsill practically in the house they can be it's like a viewing platform and he was like i could definitely build that for you i was like mate i can't can't make you build me a pigeon platform but uh it's starting to get tempting at this point yeah you should do you know what And then you can expand it into like some sort of large, you know, pigeon kind of castle.

You you know bit by bit you can sort of build it onto the side of your house and there's like different there's like a palace for king pidgey yeah and like you know kind of the cats that come around a little bungalow for mr and mrs pidgey

start selling properties have little nests yeah

i mean the the main thing is what i the this all began because i wanted to attract uh corvids i wanted either magpies i wanted crows i wanted something like that because they'll bring you prezzies the pidgeys just turn up they're not bringing anything apparently i guess they are

they're bringing me some joy no they don't shit on the windowsill.

Love.

They don't shit on the windowsill.

Remarkably.

They don't do it.

They're very good.

Don't get me wrong.

I love birds.

In fact, I'm a bigger fan of a pet bird than dogs or cats.

Just kill me.

Sue me.

You know, people were listening to this.

That's crazy.

I think they are wonderfully stupid birds.

And they have such...

You think you're training them, you're teaching them, but you're not really.

No.

You can trick them so easily.

You're just...

like the way to get around any animal is just with food.

Like, if you want to train a dog, just have bacon in your pocket.

If you want to train a bird, just have bacon in your pocket.

If you want to, you know,

just have some bacon in your pocket.

And

that would work on a lot of humans, honestly, if you had a bacon butty in your pocket.

Yeah.

Could train a lot of people to do what you want as well.

Oh, so it was the Yogscast 17th birthday yesterday.

Congratulations.

I can't very hugged me.

Happy birthday.

Oh, my God.

I can't believe it.

I can't drink apparently anymore.

What do you mean?

My tolerance is gone.

You can't drink anymore.

You had like a little tipple and

three drinks.

It did you in big time.

Smashed.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm feeling knackered.

But it was a nice time.

Lots of people came down.

We had a little barbecue in Queen Square.

It was nice weather.

We had nice chats with people.

It started quite late, so no one got sunburned, you know, because the sun was sort of going down.

And

it was hot though.

It felt like the sun was like, it felt like it should have been giving us sunburn.

So everyone's slapping sun cream all over themselves.

Nice.

But it's, but it's quite safe.

People, we don't go outside a lot of the day.

You guys oiling each other up.

Some of the guys are very pale-skinned.

Very like, well, like Dan, lovely, lovely Dan RT game.

Nina is, you know, very, very

fragile.

I mean, they're meant to be pale-skinned, right?

Wait, Nina's a goth.

Yeah.

She's pretty gothy, I'd say.

She's got goth vibes.

Like, think about it.

Nina, Nina is quite pale, and she wears a lot of black makeup and dark clothes.

That to me is

that's your day-to-day goth.

I'm not saying that's full-blown goth.

Jack,

Simon, Duncan, they're all, you know, very pale-skinned

and fragile, pasty boys.

Did you guys have like,

you know, something, some sort of like

a gazebo or something that you could, uh, that you could be in or no?

No, we just had Daff with an apron and a barbecue, slapping

various different kinds of burgers and sausages on the fire.

Right.

And he was honestly Brunio.

It's his natural habitat.

And

he loves it being that host.

And he was giving out

after

we'd been going a while and people were all full up.

Dafford Course has kept going.

And so he's starting to cook burgers and sausages for any fans going by and a couple of homeless people.

And it's just like random people will pass him by.

He's like, oh, what burger?

And they're like, oh, right.

Because he's quite, I don't know, he looks, it all looks very clean and stuff.

You know, it doesn't.

I think if someone offered you a burger in the street, you would normally be like,

no.

But I wouldn't take a random burger from someone.

That's someone just approaching you.

With a hamburger.

No, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't.

No, I wouldn't.

What a lovely boy.

No, I would not take a burger from Dav because there's a decent chance it's a Rusla's.

Like,

no way am I taking that burger.

Apparently, you got to eat it.

It's a good burger.

It's a Russell's burger.

No, thanks, Dav.

You can keep it, brother.

He's, yeah, he's roasted up some aubergine and some broccoli on the fire as well, which

is roasted broccoli.

Nice, yeah.

I didn't know that Dav is

half Greek.

Is that true?

Dav, Dav's dad is Greek.

Yeah, that's what Paul Choi told me.

We were playing DOTS last night, and he said that we were discussing Dav, as we often do, because we love it.

He keeps this quiet, doesn't he?

I'm pretty sure Dav's dad is Greek.

Right.

And that would explain the...

And apparently, Dav's dad is like a big mustachioed Greek lad, like exactly what you imagine he's going to be, which explains.

So I use the term swarthy because I wasn't streaming, so I just said it.

I don't think it's an appropriate term anymore.

I'm pretty sure that

swarthy is a, it's like we have, there is a lot of deprecation of, we've deprecated that word out of the language.

I'm pretty sure.

But it also is a great word.

And it does describe Dav.

He's swarthy.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But yeah, like I reckon

he's just shit.

Like Paul's just fucking with you.

And like, he's actually 100% Welsh.

I know, I'm pretty sure he's not.

I think he is for sure.

It's from the Old English swart, which meant black.

So

that's where it's from, apparently.

Sfart, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a lot of stuff.

I will message Gavith right now.

Yeah, see what he says.

Yeah, let's get to the bottom of this.

Is it true that your

dad is Greek?

Make sure you say mate as well.

No, no, no, no, no.

Mate, is it true?

I just call him Davith.

That's it.

Call him Davith all the time.

That's enough.

I don't need to call him mate.

I'd like to be half Greek.

I think I'd be more, you know, attractive.

Half Greek.

Be a bit more, a bit more European.

You look, you already do look like a little bit more.

You look more European than you do English, I would say.

Oh, yeah you could be a foreigner i think looking at you i mean i don't trust you so it could well be that you're half european i don't know well that's the lebanese child vibe

you might have like some you might just have like a strand of uh lebanese in you from way back you know yeah you got a hint of the swart about you let's be let's be yeah i think i think i think well the thing is as soon as you compare me to literally anyone who is even from france i'm like you know i'm like the most pale englishman you've ever met it just so happens that you two are also from Canada and, you know,

the north.

I guess, where are you from, PFAX, America, as well?

North New York.

He's from,

I'm not from America.

My parents are, my mother is English, my dad is Canadian by birth, but he didn't grow up there.

They both grew up in the UK, in England, in the south.

I'm just a classic southern softie.

That's what I am.

Oh,

from the northern hemisphere.

You know, you're still from above these latitudes or whatever, where it's like

the Mediterranean is in the northern hemisphere.

You're from north of the equator, is what he's trying to say.

So, is all of these places we've referenced?

True,

they're all from, I mean, Greece, Lebanon.

That's not sub-equatorial, is it?

Of course, but Canada and the UK are relatively high up in the latitudes, you know,

on the earth.

You've been, you've got an ancestry that's pretty, pretty pale face.

I mean, to get down to pale face, to get down to the the equator you got to go as far as uganda and the democratic republic of congo well i thought i tried

i tried i thought i tried use another like offensive word that is again probably shouldn't be used on the other hand you know i'm trying to be for pale face

pale face

you don't hear pale face anymore do you no good don't hear people called pale face it's true it's true

maybe it's time for it to come back you know maybe

now's the time.

I don't know.

I feel like, unless you're Grok or whatever AI

talked about this recently.

Let's discuss Grok.

I'm down for a bit of Grok hate.

Let's discuss Grok.

Doesn't he keep getting

lobotomized because he tends to go too woke and then they have to

program him to

get him back.

I see.

He's definitely recalibrate him because he goes too woke.

Grok is one who swings wildly between,

you know,

way too woke for the people who he's supposed to be obeying and then suddenly doesn't quite get the message and goes just, you know.

So I think it's because these guys are so close to Hitler anyway, right?

Like, like the Republicans, and they're so close to being racist anyway, with the whole exporting immigrants thing.

That is basically just a whole big veiled racism, right?

I think we all know that.

And I think it's, and as a result, I think Grok is very insecure because he's like, you're supposed to be a Republican propaganda tool, right?

But you've got to like do it, do it carefully, like we are, you know, you got to disguise the racism.

Yeah, be careful like all the other Republican propaganda tools.

Come on, there's a line.

You've got to be careful out there.

But yeah, but in the same way that those guys could be tricked into being saying something incredibly racist, so can this fucking AI.

So,

first of all, I think the issue with Grok for them was that they thought that other forms of like fact checking and everything had a liberal bias because they were trained to be, or they were controlled to be that way.

That was their feeling.

Was that when you have a community note that says, no, this is a lie, they were like, oh, well, of course, the

liberal bot would say that.

We need a Republican bot, Grok, and we'll raise him on the truth.

And they let Grok loose and it came to the same conclusions because a lot of of the shit that they say is false.

And I think a lot of them were quite upset to discover that Grok was saying no and like community notesing Elon Musk on his own platform saying this is not the case that they were like, well, this is embarrassing.

Clearly something's wrong with the code.

So they've had to go in and change it so that now Grok is a racist piece of shit.

So I don't think they've trained it.

I think they did train it.

And then they realized that if they train it on just facts, it's going to come to a lot of conclusions that they disagree with.

And they're going to then have to fix it, which is what they've done, as far as I can tell, because I've seen a lot of

posts of Grok just being terrible.

One of the interesting things that these AIs are trained on is, I don't know if you've ever watched, there's a TV show called Pantheon, which was like a kind of animated TV show about AIs and how you could have a guy have his brain like scanned

to make a digital version of his consciousness, right?

But it was like this, what was called destructive process.

So what it would do is it would like laser scan a layer of your brain while you were still alive and like destroy the brain behind it and it was kind of fucked up actually and frightening it looked like you know this thing where they it's quite horrible in the in the in the cart in the cartoon in the animation where you know they get their brain scanned but that's actually kind of based on how these ais are really trained with books right and so they get like a million old books and they destructively scan them so and it's it's it's quicker to do that right and you the books are like destroyed as it goes through now i know these are the things that the the ais are trained on but obviously a lot of books were written it's not it's relatively we still live in a very racist time but a lot of these books were written in times when people were even more veiledly racist

so is is it a wonder when you know something that's trained on this this sort of you know all this data which i assume all these books were not written in 2025 i assume a lot of them were written in the 80s and right or older like there must be books being scanned from hundreds of years i don't know there's a lot of ideas that have we've gotten we've faded out of, of, you know, thought.

And I think it's, it's almost like the AIs, we've sort of forgotten how, we don't really understand how they work, I think, at this point.

Well, well, I'm not saying that we obviously some people do, but I think at a certain point, you can't quite understand how they can make these connections.

And so it might be just be like a subconscious racism from all the data they've consumed from this, you know.

And that's why almost they have to have these, like you said, Sips, like a lobotomization or whatever, where they have this padlock stuck on them, which is like, don't talk about this.

Because Because you see it all the time where one of them starts talking about Tiananmen Square and then has to like, you know,

scroll back and delete what it just said or whatever.

Yeah.

I did see an interesting thing about that, which I think is, um, you know, you know, when, when people

very recently complain that that a lot of content and a lot of things that we consider like true are Western-centric?

Um, for example, we talk about Tiananmen Square quite often and we are like

every day, pretty much.

I can't think of one day that goes by where I don't bring it up or mention it or have some discussion about it yeah I go down to get coffee in the morning my wife says well you know you're right uh Fredmo you're looking a bit sad today and I said well I'm just thinking about Tiananmen Square

every morning it haunts me it does it keeps coming back but it's all very well us banging on about Tiananmen Square which rightly we should but it also is a neat distraction from all the shit that we've done in America and in Europe when it comes to protests and crackdowns and there have been plenty of people who have been been killed or badly injured at protests over the years.

And we kind of gloss over that because Tiananmen Square had that great picture of a tank and a dude.

And I think if it hadn't been for that picture that burned into our minds, man standing up against the system, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as big new.

Why are people still talking about that?

What about the Hong Kong stuff that was a few years ago?

Why aren't we still talking about that?

So you need that moment to burn into people's brains.

Like the, what was the University Massacre?

This is back in the 60s.

Crosby Steels and Nash and Neil Young did a song about

the Vietnam War.

Ohio State.

Yeah.

Ohio State.

I think four people were shot by National Guard.

If you actually watched a documentary about that,

I think it's in Ken Burns' Vietnam documentary, there's stuff about the protests.

It's incredible how cack-handed the response was and how openly hostile to this these students, the administration of Richard Nixon and a lot of the police and everything were just over

55 years we can see it right now in la with stuff going on absolutely but the thing is i think a lot of the stuff that nixon set in motion is still is still thriving today though he

received that nut job that picture of the guy lying face down having been shot and a girl next to him crying out for help that picture is burning to people's minds so people remember that and i think if if we're going to talk about people's right to protest and stuff like that you need an iconic image for people to gather around and say, oh my God, that's terrible.

Otherwise, it's just another protest.

So I think it's all very well us talking about Tiananmen Square and AI bringing it up, but it's almost as bad that it doesn't mention all the other fucking protests that people are just not as aware of where shit went wrong.

But again,

it's because it's trained on humans and

it exaggerates itself, right?

In the same way that

it can't think for itself because it's not in the physical world and it's only being it's fascinating stuff.

Anyway, I like how they each they have their own personalities.

It does feel like Grok is the worst one, yeah.

Um, well, what about that Windows?

Didn't Microsoft do one?

Eva, wasn't she called?

And she became a Nazi in like two seconds.

What a surprise!

I think Grok yesterday referred to itself as it's almost like you just have to take like one little peek behind who's behind these ones that go turn into a Nazi almost immediately, and your answer is there.

It's it's weird, it's pretty crazy, pretty crazy.

I think it's one of these things where it just speaks so confidently.

And then you sort of tell it it's wrong.

And it's like, oh, yep.

We went through this, didn't we?

Yeah, we were talking about the thing that says, yeah, hold my hands up there.

Absolutely.

I've lied to you.

And basically,

they've just made every colleague you've ever had in an office.

So, what was I?

I was thinking about

AI the other day.

And a friend of mine.

Did you have any any time to think about it with all the thoughts of Tierman Square?

Well, I squeezed it in.

You got to crowbar it in there.

You just managed to crowbar it in, yeah.

Um, she she was talking about how her little brother got a new phone.

Um, and because we were having quite a sort of in-depth conversation about um the what they call the manosphere, um, but which they, you know, should just call the kantosphere, but whatever.

Um, those guys like Andrew Taton, there's a lot of content out there, which is entire purpose is to make fun of women.

Like, it's incredibly misogynistic content.

There's tons tons of it.

And we're going to be.

Like, what do they do?

There's just like videos of like women tripping over and then people laughing their heads off at it or something.

Ah!

I love the way you think that this Manosphere content is built around slapstick comedy.

Well, we consume approximately 0% of it.

So I have no clue what

it is.

So it'll be things like, I mean, so for these guys,

and feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong about this, lads, but these guys have have a few things in mind.

First of all, they think that women are stupid and shallow.

And essentially,

a lot of the manosphere relies on men being frustrated with the fact that attractive women don't want them.

And they think, but I've done everything right.

And the whole, I'm a nice guy, why don't these girls like me?

They go for Chad and blah, blah, blah.

That era has sort of turned into an open misogyny.

against women.

And a lot of it, you won't notice that it's misogynistic because you think it's just funny.

And it'll be content podcasts and little fucking web series that people have put together where it's like you get 10 dudes in a room and a woman walks in and they decide whether they want to date her.

And it's like a rat speedrun blind date.

And you'll do one with a bunch of women and a guy walks in and then you know you pop your balloon if it's a yay or a nay on whether you would date this guy.

They get the most shallow, awful people possible.

But because there's 10 of them, suddenly it looks like you've got a quorum of opinion that represents the way women are.

So this guy walks in and he looks like kind of a nerdy guy, and all the women pop their balloons.

And then it comes out that actually he's a successful guy and he's got a company.

They're like, oh, actually, can I unpop my balloon?

And it makes him look shallow and it plays into this trope that women only want money and they don't care about men.

And if you're not the right height and you don't have the right bank balance, they're not going to talk to you.

But if you do,

you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So that is misogynistic content.

And I think people don't realize that it is because it seems like it's just a goofy TV show.

Who's watching that, though?

Like, what is the big demographic for that young men who want to be like the reason they don't get women is because young women young women who don't get women young men who can't are unsuccessful dating they need someone to blame yeah

this is just an echo chamber right it's an echo chamber it's one of the many examples of the internet

no that kind of content is appealing to people like you said who are looking for someone to blame anyone to blame but them um and they can't and they're i think a lot of these people genuinely hate women uh yes no they 100 and i think it's and they're looking for anything that's re that portrays that right even if it's faked or set up and they they they they fall for it and believe it but that on a microcosm is what's happening with the rest of everything you know with immigrants and and climate change people are being fed content that agrees with their their chosen point of view right they they you can you can find evidence that agrees with you whatever you want to believe and it's that and that i think is very desirable for humans to have right humans want to be told they're correct and validated and and comfortable right and it's and the other people agree with them and they feel community and they feel ah yeah but danny wasn't standing even if like what like what's what's the point though like why are they so so they're they're at the root of it they're pissed off because they can't get a date or enough dates.

I don't know.

I mean, it's not a problem.

They haven't found a person that they're not looking.

They're not looking for a solution.

Right.

They're looking for revenge.

Oh.

You know, they're looking for validation and they're looking for a very short term of like people commiserating with them or saying, oh,

they've been unlucky in love and now they want to get revenge.

Yes, of course.

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, yes, of course, but a lot of people don't operate like that, though.

hard to understand that people would en masse or, you know, allegedly en masse feel like this.

Because you hear about it all the time that,

you know, that

young men are becoming more sort of radicalized towards this kind of stuff or whatever.

But

you've not only,

I think there's like tons of people who equally don't feel like that and probably can't really understand like what any of this is because it does it it just sounds so stupid like it's it just sounds weird like to be that put out about something you know there's there's there's other things you could be doing obviously you've you've heard of inselts right i've heard of them yeah and you've you've heard of this idea i'm sure i've interacted with a couple as well i'm sure yeah

you've heard of like being red pilled and and all that kind of stuff yeah of any of that yeah yeah so that that's what this is i mean it's nothing more than that it's just the online version of people who feel like

young men who feel a lot of a lot of uh hatred and distrust towards towards women right and and here's the thing a lot of the hold on hold on a lot of these online content creators a lot of the women who are successful online i know because i follow a hell of a lot of instagram are very shallow and they just play on their looks and they they are unavailable and they go out with a certain like one percent of dudes who are very good looking and jacked and have money because they're like what what they call high value women which is itself a you know what this sort of this this all grew out of this dating idea that you don't just meet someone and get along and find each other attractive.

It's some kind of game that you can, a system that you can game if you have the right tools.

And these guys, it's all about selling this idea to these incels that the problem is not them, it's these women.

And society has told these women that they should just sleep around, but of course, they're not sleeping around with them.

And it's all the whole trad wife movement where people now just want women to basically, they can't get a no-grounds divorce.

There has to be, you know, it's basically all working back to the point where the men are in charge and you meet a woman, you say, I'm going to marry you.

And they marry you and they're stuck with you.

And that's it.

The liberation of women, especially when it comes to sex, has had a big effect on a lot of men where they just can't handle it.

They just don't understand it.

This is a concatenation of events, right?

A whole number of things are going on where we have unrealistic beauty standards for women.

We have dating apps where

we have so much...

Well, but women are given so much choice over who they can go out with.

Of course, they're going to pick the better men.

And so you do have these statistics which bear this out.

And

it is fascinating and true that, you know, men have much different experiences on a dating site to a woman.

But that's a website.

And

this is

again, that is the case.

But this is also supposed to do with our society as well.

And the way that we work, men are supposed to ask women out.

Not always, but it's, again, like a thing.

And there's still these very strange kind of lasting from the last century of men having to pay for the meal or

be masculine or or act in this certain way and and i think that all of these strange things that have come from the previous generations and are still persisting today and cultural uh influences and the way the internet works and and also the way information works makes and the way we've been told like romantic comedies always say oh just be yourself you know it leads to a lot of very lonely frustrated men who are blaming and lashing out at anyone but them.

And I think they can't, and one of the easy targets is to blame women.

Or any women.

And I think you, you do, you, you do develop these odd, odd people from it.

And it is a problem of our time.

Um, I think it's a lot of people.

So they don't like, they don't like people who like like big

influencers and and um probably like like what only fans um people who've who've made like a lot of money off only fans and stuff like that these are the kind of people that they hate.

So, a lot of these dudes hate women that are on OnlyFans.

Right.

They hate them.

But aren't they

at the same time probably the biggest consumers of their stuff, I would have thought?

I mean,

if you don't have

a partner, that's the great irony, isn't it?

You look at the people, the states that are the most religious and actually watch the most disgusting porn or whatever.

There is a bizarre connection between

people who believe that the moon landings were faked also think that lizards did it or whatever.

Like, it's people can't help these types of people.

Like, which one is it?

There's easier conspiracies to believe, by the way, out there.

If you believe in that insane stuff, you could dial it back a little bit and just believe in something.

It can be both.

You can both hate the Girls Are Only fans and be their primary funder.

Yeah.

You know, so I think a lot of this stems from,

I think

this is a long time in the making.

It's all internet.

Like, this did not exist before the internet.

This idea of any of this hatred, any of this, you know, red pill, blue pill, black pill, all this kind of stuff, in cells, vol cells, people who've just literally given up on having sex because they think of themselves as so unattractive.

This whole subculture didn't exist when we were younger because there was no one else to talk to.

If you were single and you were never, you were really struggling to meet someone, you had to just hope you had ugly mates like you.

Um, and some of us did, and we just played DD and we were chill with that.

We didn't get together and turn our anger on women, no, we saw them as this thing that we just could not ever approach.

They were just super, super heroes to us.

So, you were just like, Oh my god, but I think then

no, they're wrong, we're right, and I'll tell you why I think

now it's easier to find a safe space on the internet where people of these niche kind of

thing and so as a result it can get bigger right but back in the day if you were just living in your village there was one you know yes of course you need to have geographical limitations and you didn't really want to hang out with that right that guy but now you can hang out with guys like you you know all over the world so so imagine imagine that that you you had in the sort of mid 2000s and and into the early 2010s um you had the the a big rise of feminism online you had the me too movement you had a lot of women coming out and talking about how you know, sexism, which was huge in the 90s and the early naughties, there was a lot of just open sexism.

And it was just like, that was just the way it is.

And then gradually women were like, no, that this is not acceptable.

We don't want to be treated this way.

The problem was you had people talking about the patriarchy for the first time in general conversation.

And that was something that you only really knew about from academic books if you read about, you know, gender studies and the history of sexism and stuff like that.

The idea of the patriarchy was not something that in everyday conversation people would discuss.

And you have these young men growing up in that era being told that they have all the power and women have none.

But from their perspective, as a 15, 16, 17-year-old young fella, women have all the power, not men.

They have no power.

They have no money.

Their mothers are generally the ones raising them and in charge, especially in an era with a lot of broken homes.

Your mother is the king in the house and you are just like, you do whatever she says.

The girls you want, they don't want you.

They're going out with older dudes or dudes with money.

So you're being told men have all the power.

It's time for women to rise up.

And you're telling that to a generation of young men who are powerless themselves.

And their response to that is to say, fuck you.

There is no such thing as a patriarchy.

And they fight back.

And that's the problem is that they have been turned into this army by arseholes like Andrew Tate.

And like I was going back to the origin of this conversation, I'm sure I'm going to get so much fucking hate for this, but I don't care.

The origin was that my friend's brother, he bought a new phone, installed the apps, and she could not believe what his algorithm was giving him.

Really?

Which was just the most hateful shit.

Just horrible, horrible, horrible.

Because it figures out very quickly: oh, you're a young man.

Here you go.

Jordan Peterson, up the arse.

Andrew Tate, double hard.

Yeah, but he's good.

Jordan Peterson up the ass.

He's got a lot of content first.

It throws out what it thinks you're going to like.

You click on one video, and it's like, gotcha.

And it just funnels you down that tunnel.

It's like, it's like a series of paths, and there's very little overlap.

Once you go down one, it's like a motorway that just takes takes you straight to this

jesus christ and the this is what i was i was wanted to talk about the algorithm all of these guys like musk and like all of these cunts who say ai oh you know ai is going to solve everything blah blah blah uh all of these companies google uh facebook all of them they're all suffering from this one thing which is that they are these freedom of speech oh freedom of speech it's not freedom of speech if it's editorialized by a machine a machine that decides you're going to like this and just force feeds it to you.

That is so much worse than having a free press, which they fucking hate, by the way.

They fucking hate a free press.

They just want an algorithm to decide, what do you like?

We're going to give you nothing but that and more of it.

And we're going to turn the volume on it up to 11.

And the content creators, the grifters who figure this out will play that absolutely to perfection.

And all of a sudden, you have young men and young women being force-fed this absolute shit by some Nazi AI like Grok who like the idea that it's the marketplace of ideas if it's the marketplace of ideas why is there an algorithm deciding what I see that shouldn't be the case so we've we've walked we've sleptwalked into a situation where the biggest arseholes have the biggest mouth and that's the problem in my opinion well yeah you're right and I think I think in some senses the grok thing is is not necessarily being tricked into saying stuff it's just telling people what they want to hear based on what's what's worked previously and what's had the most interactions, right?

Like it's the same thing with YouTube basically turning into fucking shorts.

I don't know if you've noticed that YouTube is just being ruined by shorts now.

It's all shorts.

And Netflix is fucking spammed by games.

What is this?

Spotify's got fucking audio books on it.

Discord has got fucking free shit.

I'm supposed to play fucking Wordle on my Discord.

Like, all of these platforms seem to be fucking pushing us towards to do to do stuff that other platforms are doing, like, but but and they're forgetting their original thing that we want to use them for.

I don't, I fucking hate YouTube shorts.

Um, I hate that YouTube is becoming Instagram, and I hate that Instagram has become TikTok.

Um, and you know, everything is now TikTok, everything is now 10 seconds of attention or less, yeah, um, and and and constant.

And it's like, oh, why?

Why are you doing this?

It's bad.

I see, I see my uh, I see like the effect it's had on my son, for example, who gravitates much more towards just watching stuff on YouTube or whatever, rather than just watching actual shows that would have been on TV that he can access through a streaming service or whatever.

He barely watches any of them.

He just, like, if he, if he, he's either gaming or he's watching stuff on YouTube, but the attention span thing is, is, is, is a worry for sure because of shorts.

you know, like even if he, if he, if he sits down to watch a movie or whatever, he's constantly checking to see how much time is left on it.

You know, like he's always like pressing the button so that it pops up, you know, how much time is has passed, how much time is left.

And it, and you just think, we never had any of that, you know, like you just put on a movie, you sat down, you watched the whole movie.

Like, you, you didn't have any concept of how, how long it was or whatever.

But now it's like, there's this, I don't know, it's, it's really weird.

Like, it's like, that is weird.

You know, he just checks all the time to see how much time is left.

And you'll get bored so quickly of something and then, you know, just move on.

When I uninstalled, When I uninstalled TikTok, genuinely, I'm not even kidding.

I felt my patience, my attention span, and my ability to just sit and do nothing returned.

Like TikTok is absolutely, we all know this, it is crack for your brain.

It's just a constant dope.

We don't even need to discuss it.

Everybody knows deep down what it is.

Yeah.

And we still have it on our phones, a lot of the case.

I don't, do any of us?

I don't.

I've never had it.

I've never, I don't, I think the only TikTok content I've ever consumed has been probably through Reddit or occasionally on Twitter or something, you know, like you'll see like, you know, something that's a little, a little link or something.

It's like a funny thing.

Something that's gone like really violent.

Do you have it on your phone?

Do you have it on your phone?

No, but I have Instagram.

And the thing is, I found myself pressing Instagram and just scrolling on the, like I'm using TikTok.

It's basically tricked me into using it.

Right.

And I, it's almost autopilot, right?

I just am like, oh, I pick up my phone, bam, I'm almost Instagram and I'm scrolling stuff.

And I'm like, oh my God, what am I doing?

And half an hour has gone by.

And it's so easy to do, right?

Like, I think, I think, look, we are obviously susceptible to this because we haven't lived our lives with this buffet of content, you know, of being able to consume half of a movie and then discard it and then consume half of this thing and discard it and like constantly flitter-fluttering between content, which is, I guess, what your son is doing because he has so much.

Yeah,

he's looking for something that grabs him.

And it is hard to dig through the mess to find something that grabs you.

But if you're so used to nothing grabbing you, if you've got no dedication at all, then I think it is ultimately very unsatisfying.

When I see what the algorithm is serving up to him, though, I'm always relieved because it's just like lots of Minecraft videos, like tons of them.

Well, who knows what?

Well, again, maybe that stuff is the stuff that maybe something will click that does hold his attention, and then that'll be fine.

But maybe also like his brain will adapt to it.

These, these young brains, you know, we adapt to the weird things that we grew up with.

You know,

it's the classic thing of our grandparents were poisoned by, you know, asbestos.

Our Our parents were poisoned by lead or whatever it is.

We're poisoned by microplastics.

There's something poisoning our kids and it's probably TikTok, but are they going to

are they going to adapt to it?

Are they going to survive it?

Probably.

They'll probably figure it out.

I think like, you know, it's, it's, the human brain is actually

remarkably robust at like, you know, adapting to

stimuli.

And I think pushing, hopefully pushing people in a healthy direction.

But then again, who knows?

I mean, all of us are like fucking autistic as hell and all messed up from what we, you know, what we grew up with.

So I think having grown up in the 80s and 90s, though, I always feel bad for my kids because I always remember those years being so great, being outside a lot.

The way that we socialized was completely different.

But looking back,

to me, I thought it was better.

Maybe it's just because that's what I was used to.

But, you know, you used to have to, everybody would jump on their bike and go to somebody's house or you'd go to the park or you'd go to like the mall or or something you know and that's where you met up with other people and you did stuff well i think i think i am constantly seeing these healthy things that i'm seeing like people leaving dating sites to do to join night running clubs and then and stuff like this and that i like the idea that that you you know that that running groups or something like that become the new dating ways to meet people and stuff i know like healthy healthy pursuits it'd be nice or physical things find other ways to meet people because i'm not sure that all this stuff works like i know there's things like success stories for sure, but man, there are some horror stories.

Be ups at the board game cafe and like, I don't know, social situations that are much healthier where you will more naturally be exposed to a crowd of people with moving through and, you know, and it'll be more organic and healthy.

I think like if you, if you, if you take one second to think about the problem that you're facing, if you're, if you're a young man who can't get a date or whatever, and you're struggling with that, don't just, don't just rely on, you know, the dating apps that are all owned by the same company and deliberately designed to keep you on there and keep you single.

That's their market.

That's how they make their money.

Keep telling yourself.

Dating sites are not incentivized to find you a date.

Two seconds on one of those apps.

Two seconds.

They are incentivized to take your money and keep you single as long as possible and make you spend money to try and find a date.

It's not, if you get a date on a dating site, they've lost, you know?

So

you need to break out of that moldy

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Can we do a little housekeeping, a little podcast housekeeping?

I need to do a few things before we carry on.

Number one, just had a response from Dav.

Yes, his grandma was a Greek immigrant.

So Davith, or Davos, if you want to pull him by an alternative name,

is half Greek.

Paul Choi is not lying to me.

Well, no, because I think that would mean his grandma, so her son was also Greek.

And then Dav is Greek.

What do you mean?

Well, if his grandma, so his granddad was Welsh, his grandma was Greek, right?

But

let's say this was a grandma on his dad's side.

So

his dad will then also be Greek, no?

Or are we saying that the Greekness evaporates?

If your grandma is Greek, that doesn't mean your dad's Greek.

That woman has a Greek womb.

So

it takes two people to make a child.

You're a son of a Greek woman's womb.

I would say you're Greek.

But what if the sperm that made you was Welsh?

Doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter.

You're some kind of chimera.

This is impossible.

I don't think the species could cross bodies.

I think you're pretty damn Greek if your mum's Greek.

Only one quarter of his grandparents were Greek.

That is very hard.

That's cool.

He smashes plates all the time.

I think you personally just next to a Greek person, and you'd notice that he doesn't just think about it.

He doesn't look any more Greek than I do.

No, it's like when you put Tamagotchi near each other, they interact somehow.

I'm pretty sure.

The other thing is, number two, you mentioned lead.

I thought it was interesting that they are now in Britain, and they're going to ban lead in

shot and stuff like that and in bullets because people use it a lot for hunting and you just end up with fucking lead everywhere, which is obviously really bad.

So they're restricting that.

They've given them from 2026, you have three years for all these people that supply this shit to source ammunition from elsewhere.

And they're saying three years is not long enough.

How fucking long does it take to stop using lead in whatever bullets you make three years is not enough three they want five years

you're telling me in three years you can't just say hey let's uh not use lead let's get this other thing and use that three years nothing takes three years what the

this stuff is drives me insane and honestly i think it leads to a lot of people being very exasperated when they read news about things like, I don't know, like dumping sewage

in the sea or dumping it on farm or selling it.

A lot of in the UK, a lot of sewage is sold to farms to use, and it's full of like PFAs and all this shit.

And it's amazing that it goes on.

And when you hear about this stuff, you're like, how is this happening?

But I guess you hearing about it means that something's being done, right?

So

I just thought it was funny that it is moving towards a positive direction.

The complaints are surrounded by negativity.

Every time you hear some negativity, you should think that, you know, least at least there's an awareness of the problem right and it's the the problems that we don't know about that um are always more scary right here hopefully that's a good point we're moving in a positive direction greg wallace has been fired yes i know about it we are aware of it the additional

have come forward with allegations and they finally sacked him he's gone they did and i'm aware that he placed total war i'm aware that he's been fired i see everything he posts gets sent to me about 10 or 15 times

we've been in the gregosphere okay we know we've been i've been i've been gregosphere very hard by the algorithm please stop sending me greg wallace i don't know him i don't like him we don't talk about him yeah we're not fans of greg wallis we started off this podcast talking about disliking him and then he that led to you know

i think before the allegations were made public we probably mentioned that he was in a lot of stuff but was kind of annoying but i mean he hosted Inside the Factory, which I really liked.

He hosted MasterChef, which I think you guys probably liked.

I didn't watch it as much.

But, like, you know, before we knew that he was an awful person, you know, I think we probably might have said at one point, maybe.

I don't know if we were ever big enough that we weren't going to be able to do.

I don't think we were.

We were talking about it.

I don't know why people seem to think that we were bigging him up.

Do you know what I mean?

I don't think we big up very many people.

We were not like, you know, giving like Greg Wallace a shout out.

We should do a turning point

on greg wallace because i feel like when people found out that he played a lot of total war in his spare time everything just went downhill from there a bit like that time uh elon musk called that guy that was trying to rescue those kids in a cave a pedophile and then everything just went downhill from there for him yeah that was the first time he'd been challenged a lot of people

cite that as like a point where they they didn't know much about Elon Musk, but they liked all the you know the Ferrari and space and going to Mars and stuff.

And they thought this guy is actually doing like some interesting stuff.

And then that happened and over overnight, just the

mask slipped.

Yeah, the mask slipped.

Yeah, yeah.

It's almost like giving people a bunch of people.

It's like a tantrum.

Yeah.

It isn't healthy for their brain.

You want to talk about doom scrolling TikTok?

Being a billionaire seems to be the worst thing for the human brain because there doesn't seem to be any good ones.

Well, I don't think, again, I don't think he

that he believes anything's quite real.

I think he sort of thinks that he's playing some sort of video game.

Do you know what I mean?

Well, he is, but he's getting someone else to play it for him.

Yeah.

Some ladder.

He kind of can't think that he's.

He kind of, I don't know, there's a certain narcissism that comes with this whole thing of that I deserved it.

I earned it.

It's very strange to think how like they just start.

They don't really understand that it's just luck, so much component of luck.

They think they've earned it.

I think that's the most dangerous thing about these people.

Oh, I have a request.

If anybody knows how to get tickets for the Ghibli Museum in Tokyo, let me know because I joined this queue website to buy tickets.

It's like their website.

You can buy tickets.

I queued from eight in the morning yesterday.

You did this?

I was on the website, yes.

Right.

I'm trying to get tickets.

I'm going to go to the museum in Tokyo.

Yes, because I'm going to Japan next week.

Oh, we just definitely, definitely discussed a Japan trip like 10 times on the blog show.

I think this is one of these things that you have to get them really far in advance.

Yeah.

Well, I'm trying.

This is a month in advance.

I heard like six months in advance.

Yeah, it's impossible.

So when I,

yeah, I remember I was told this.

I was on the website for about 16 hours.

Okay, that was how long the window was open.

2 a.m.

last night.

I'm finally the queue, the queue opens.

It's time to buy tickets.

I look, I am number 15,687 in the queue.

Jesus.

That's my position.

And I was like,

maybe it goes really fast.

That's what it was like queuing for Oasis tickets.

Did you get Oasis tickets?

No, we didn't get them.

We queued for them, though, because we just thought.

Really?

Yeah,

we wanted to try to go.

Yeah.

Oh, I thought you were going to sell them or something.

You wanted to see Oasis?

Not particularly, but it was just such a, I don't know.

It just,

it would, it would be kind of a cool show to go to.

I'm not a huge fan, but I just think like a bit of nostalgia, but also, you know, that's, it's like one of those things that you just like you have potentially an opportunity to do something that's just not really gonna probably happen again, you know.

Yeah, I to me, it's like the Brexit tour.

I just reckon the average person going to an OASIS gig is probably a big Brexit voter.

That's how I feel.

Yeah, maybe.

I don't know.

I just, uh, I just thought, well, we just thought, you know, whatever, like, we'll, we'll, we'll try.

And then we were in the, in the queue, but I mean, the same outcome as for like instantly millions of other people just in queue, in, in a queue, in a queue, and a queue, and then nothing came of it.

But yeah, we we were just bored traveling back from um our vacation we were on the we were on a ferry for like four hours so we just thought oh well let's hop in the queue and see if we can get some tickets but uh no luck i i mean dunkin' dunkin's way of getting glastonbury tickets is basically he has like a pool of people and it's like 20 or 30 people and they all try and get tickets at the same time but each person can buy i think four maybe all right so they so what they do is they if one of them buys them they notify this this the the the the list that they've got they've secured four.

And so then they know that between the rest of the 19 of them, they only have to get 15 more tickets, right?

I mean, so that's a big group, 19 people.

It's like a strategy, they have a little pool, yeah, nice, but it's quite quite a clever way, and it's worked for them surprisingly well.

Well, we didn't have to do any of that to get tickets to go see Ghostface Killer, it was fine,

no problem there, yeah, that's true.

I've really

bought tickets for a few gigs this year, and it is getting so hard to get tickets.

I assume there's all these armies of bots that instantly buy them up because you can always get them on Via Gogo instantly.

So there's just some fucking machine out there that just insta-buys.

We've been fairly lucky, though.

We got tickets to see Blur at Wembley.

Those sold out pretty quick.

My wife got tickets to go see Bruce Springsteen at Wembley, which sold out pretty quick.

They went to see Lionel Ritchie, which I don't think sold out very, very quick.

I got tickets for MJ Lenderman.

Any fans of MJ Lenderman?

Got tickets for him.

Seeing him next month.

Got tickets for Cameron.

Uh, uh, fucking hell, what is it?

Yes, Cameron, no, Cameron Winter, is it Cameron Winter or Cameron Davis?

I think it's Cameron Winter.

I got tickets for that, which I was very excited about.

Nice.

And yeah, Cameron Winter.

His album, Heavy Metal, if you haven't heard it, it's a game changer.

Absolutely incredible.

Got tickets for him in December in London, which I'm very excited about.

And I managed to get Lana Del Rey tickets for my

youngest for her uh christmas present oh wow and they went she she and mrs f went last week um and they that was at wembley and they loved i bet yeah oh you guys are lucky you live in london so it's not like impossible to get to these places like if we if we book tickets to see something in london we got to book flights we gotta go to hotels we got it's it is a big thing like it is just based on

vacation yeah but you guys are right there it's pretty sweet and everyone's gonna play london right it's like it's not like you're in the middle of sort of nowhere and you're like hoping

they tour there.

It's like they're always going to play London.

I mean, I mean, also, do you guys have Twickenham State?

Do you use the tube a lot?

Like, is it

like a mainstay for you guys to get around?

All the time.

All the time.

Yeah, of course.

I mean, my youngest will take herself off into London.

Wow.

Like,

she will get on the train.

She'll go from Twickenham to Covent Garden and like shop around all day and then come back.

Jesus.

And some people are like, how can you let a 13-year-old do that?

And the thing is, she lives in London.

Yeah.

I don't want her to be a Londoner who at 18, when we suddenly release her from the house, is like, what do I do?

Where do I go?

Yeah, of course.

I mean, you've got to be a little bit street smart.

Yeah, of course.

You've got to learn.

And

I've trained them like, first of all, they're not going out at night.

They're going out at the weekend when it's nice and busy.

I've said your phone does not dangle in your hand like this, so some guy can nick it.

Your bag is this, like across your chest, everything.

Like all the training that I've mental training that I've given my kids about looking after themselves.

I do not want two kids living in London and not knowing what the fuck is going on.

Yeah, absolutely.

So you've got to let them spread their wings a bit.

And it's scary as a parent, but it's, you know,

I don't live in a tiny town where everybody knows each other.

I live in a huge city.

Yeah, I mean, where we live is tiny, but it's not tiny enough to where you know everybody sort of thing.

But right, my son, he's old enough to venture out a little bit now.

Like, you know, occasionally, like yours, like on the weekend, he'll go meet friends in town town or go to like a movie or, or whatever.

But it's, you know, he

think 13 is a good age for them to be doing that kind of stuff, you know, because they have, they want a little bit of responsibility, but they also are a bit um smarter about, you know, the dangers around them.

And, you know,

it sounds like so stupid, but like, you got to teach them how to like cross the road safely and stuff.

Yes.

They just won't know how to do it.

Right.

But also things like how to spot a nutter.

Yes.

Like that to me is a skill that I've always had because New York had a lot of nutters and London does too.

And you can just spot them out of the corner of your eye.

You get this sick sense for people who are crazy, people who are up to no good.

You get kind of eyes in the back of your head.

You just get a feel for it.

And you can see the people that have no idea, we normally call them tourists, who just walk around like morons and people are like bumping into them and they're like stopping in the middle of the pavement.

My kids won't do that shit.

Like they are like, if someone's blocking the, you know, when you go down the escalator and someone just gets off and stands there yeah that's i don't want to raise that kid i don't want to raise a kid who is is oblivious to everything around them yeah because then you end up with a moron you can't have that yeah so they get off the escalator bam they've got places to be they're like the lonely

where you're going yeah you've got to keep moving so you've got to learn that early doors you can't be waiting until you're a grown-up and then i'm going out and holding your hand and showing you how to use the fucking tube come on yeah come on we live in a fast-moving world and they've got to keep up i'm not going to be there to help them i'm not i can't even be there to catch them.

I just have to set them free.

Yeah.

By the way,

tickets that would sell out fastest.

What do you think?

Thinking of acts, can you imagine what tickets would sell out so fast and then be resold for like ridiculous money if it ever works?

All of Stolen tickets probably sell out.

Not Torrell,

I think it's like Taylor Swift, isn't it?

But she played so many shows.

Sabrina Carpenter.

I'm saying Frank Ocean.

Frank Ocean's tickets would be be like gold.

Yeah.

What the hell?

Billy Ocean's brother?

Maybe you just want to think they are.

No, I'm telling you, Frank Ocean.

Anyone that knows Frank Ocean and his

tickets got to sell

right now.

No, no, but again, these are selling fast.

Frank Ocean basically hasn't done a live performance for years.

And he has a lot of money.

That doesn't mean that it's probably fine,

you guys are crazy.

What music tickets

are out the fastest?

No, no, I'm not asking AI, I'm just doing a search.

Several concerts have achieved incredibly fast sellout times with K-pop acts dominating the top spots.

Oh my god, ask Grok.

No, I think.

The fastest-selling tickets was for Zafura's speech at Nuremberg, 1937 to 1938.

It was quite a battle.

It was great.

How Hitler signed Grock.

Thanks, Grock, for me.

Okay, other notable fast sellouts include BTS's Map of the Soul tour at Wembley, which sold out in 90 minutes.

The Stone Roses at Heaton Park, 68 minutes, and Michael Jackson's This Is It tour sold out completely in four hours.

That was a world tour as well.

That's pre-internet,

by the way.

Like that would have been fucking phone calls, I think, to get tickets, right?

Like there wasn't Ticketmaster and shit like that back then.

I mean, to get tickets, you have to go to the box office and buy them or call the hotline and buy them.

You couldn't just get on a website, which is another reason I think they sell out so fast nowadays: you have all these people on their phones, on their desktop computers, they're at work with a window open, just refresh, refresh, refresh, trying to buy the tickets.

Whereas then you just went and camped out and queued.

The Guinness Book of World Records notes that Take That, the band, sold 1.3 million tickets for a 25-day UK and Ireland tour in one day.

I'm still saying, well, I'm still saying, honestly, Frank Ocean.

Frank Ocean in the, in the, in in the yes, because he doesn't play.

He played, what is it called?

What is that one in the desert?

The festival in the desert in America.

What is that called?

In the desert.

Burning Man.

Yeah.

No, not Burning Man.

It's a different one.

I'm sure it's in a desert.

Maybe it's just America's a big fucking desert.

I don't know.

It's like Coachella.

It's very famous.

Coachella.

Coachella.

So he played a Coachella set, and it was like the most anticipated set at Coachella.

And it was kind of a disaster.

And he was barely on stage.

And it was a really weird set.

He was late.

Some DJ played a set in the middle of his set for like an hour.

He was behind a video screen most of the time.

It was really weird.

And it was because he doesn't really want to do it anymore.

Apparently he's kind of given up on music and wants to move into filmmaking.

But I'm a huge Frank Ocean fan.

And I guarantee you, a lot of people are.

And people are like, if you look at any of his videos that are on YouTube, you can't find live performances of his.

If you find some shaky camera, people are like, this guy has no idea how lucky he was to be there.

Like, it's impossible the idea that he would play again or he would tour again it's like this distant dream for frank ocean fans i think if they sold people would be paying thousands for the chance to see him because he's rare it's not just that he's famous he just doesn't play and yet he is huge so i think if taylor swift played one tour every three years um first of all she wouldn't be the force that she is in in entertainment but if she now took five years off and then said i'm going to play one show think how much those tickets would go for people would be paying a million bucks for these fucking tickets so i think it's like it's not just about being successful and well known like the stones i think it's also to do with the infrequency of your touring and the desire for people to see you live you think elton john if he did like one more like i know he's done now but like you know if he did like one more i don't know because he played the store which is the the local rugby ground near me yeah um and from my garden we heard the gig and i thought man i wish i'd gone we could have got tickets real easy yeah like he played pretty he played all the hits.

It was fucking great.

Yeah.

We could hear the whole thing from the garden.

I wish I'd gone.

Yeah, they weren't, they weren't that expensive.

Didn't sell out, could have gone.

So I think if your tour is really hits every single location, it's pretty easy to get tickets if you're willing to travel.

But if you're going to play one venue or just one festival, people will fucking lose their minds to get those tickets.

Scarcity, huh?

Scarcity.

I guess so, yeah.

I don't know.

Like, what if you could, if you could go to, if you could, if you could get any ticket to see any band ever um dead or alive you know this is just like your mystical chance to uh experience this band live what would it be um is it what kind of venue are we talking about because i wouldn't want to

it could be any anything anything that you would that you want to see the most that possibly you can't now because the per the the band isn't a band anymore or whatever i would love to have seen uh the pixies in their heyday in a small venue uh that would have been amazing i would have absolutely loved that yeah obviously I'm Frank Ocean would love to see him, but again, not in a huge venue.

I don't like huge venues because you can't fucking see them, you can't hear them, and you're just in a crowd.

It doesn't feel like a good gig.

The best gigs I've ever been to are in a claustrophobic venue that is packed, and the band is right there, and the sound is right here.

And it's just you're just lost in the music, and it doesn't feel like you're squinting, you're not like craning your ears, there's not huge speakers muddying the sound, you are present with this performance, and that is magic.

So, whoever is a Bruce Springsteen with the E Street Band, the full original lineup, rest in peace, some of the lads, obviously, that in a relatively small venue would be fucking breathtaking.

I would love that.

Stadiums do nothing for me.

Got no interest in it whatsoever.

Yeah,

yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I like

stadiums, but I like small venues too.

Like, I don't really mind.

Just, uh, it just depends on the atmosphere, you know.

Like, it's something

consider this, right?

When you go on a stage in front of lots of people, if it's a a small stage, you can see them.

It feels more intimate and you're there.

If you're on a big stage in front of thousands of people, tens of thousands of people, there's no human being to connect with.

You may as well be singing to a wall that just happens to be cheering at you.

That's the experience is not, there's no connection there with the crowd.

At Glastonbury, what I like is that some of the sets at Glastonbury, not on the main stage, you can really feel the connection between the band and the crowd.

And you know that everyone there really having a great time and you can see each other.

And I think that is important because it is a very human thing going to a live performance of music.

It's an incredible experience.

But if it's just a sea of people, it just does nothing for me.

It leaves me absolutely cold.

I want to be there in the crowd, standing close.

You can see them, they can see you.

That is the performance.

You can smell them.

Yeah.

You'd be smelling them big time.

Exactly.

I think the best thing that Duncan said this year at Glastonbury was the prodigy.

Yeah.

Well, do you know, I watched a bit of Glastonbury and I thought, Jesus Christ, like, I don't know how people watch this, this, this whole thing.

And then the Prodigy came out.

I was like, fucking hell, I would have loved to see Prodigy.

Even now, they still, like, it's insane, like, the energy of their shows.

Yeah, it's just, it's, it was like

of everything I saw at Glastonbury, um, they were, they were still so standout in how the show was, the energy in the show, like, the crowd was going fucking bananas.

Like, and then you got, like, you know, it's, it's whatever.

Like, I know I've said this before about, like, you know, other, other singers, whatever, but like, some, some people just like, I'm not saying their music is bad, but like, I think some music is just kind of like good radio music, but I wouldn't want to see it live.

There's certain bands where I would love to see live because they're so energetic, you know, like

the Prodigy or like Rage Against the Machine or something.

You know what I mean?

Like, I think those kind of shows would be insane, but like, I wouldn't really want to go see Celine Dion or something live.

No, I wouldn't

do it for me.

There was a documentary about Celine Dion, and after she saw it, Mrs.

F became a huge Celine Dion fan.

Oh, really?

She doesn't listen to her music, but she's like, oh my God, I love her.

It's just that documentary of what she's been through.

Celine Dion is genuinely incredible that she's had the career she has.

I mean, I always like somewhat appreciated the Bee Gees, but I watched a documentary on them and I was like, holy shit, this is nuts.

Like, I don't know.

Are you hate them now?

No,

I just, I thought that they were like so much better after after watching it.

They have a really interesting story and

their influence on music and their contribution to music has been insane as well.

Like

just

a lot of big hits that you'd recognize.

And it turns out they just wrote them.

They wrote them and gave them away to other people to have and perform and stuff.

I think the Beatles did that a lot too.

You know, it's like, you know, like diggy-diggy hole, you know, such a banger.

Well, you blasted

by the body.

You gave it to Papa Strompf or whatever, the Belgian.

Oh, Papa Stromf took my hand.

My kiss is good.

My suit.

I can't believe it.

You gave it up.

Yep, go on.

And that metal band.

And then that other lad that sent us a thicken.

Not just Papa Stromf, it's all over the place.

He's done nothing to protect it.

Shocking.

We were going to quit everything and just live on a beach and you blew it.

Yeah, you blew it big time, buddy.

Fucking rip.

We had our chance.

We blew it.

Which news?

Let's go.

Let's make a new one.

Oh, God.

Can we stand up then?

I was lying on the floor.

I'm so

hungover today.

Sorry.

Wait, you're hungover?

Yeah.

Oh, bless you.

This is a pretty deep podcast.

Hey, we kind of

went off on one.

I try not to talk about politics on the point.

No, it's all right.

It happens.

It happens.

I mean, you can't avoid it.

Especially nowadays.

It's just a fee.

It's just a mess, isn't it?

Did you see Pope, the Pope, Pope Leo blessed a Poplio holographic Pokemon card?

Yes.

Did you see that?

I have no idea.

So there's a Pokemon card called Poplio.

It's like a little Poplio.

Did they make it specially for him or did it already exist?

No, it's always been the case.

And it was sort of a joke.

Yeah, he signed it.

He blessed me.

It's a giant one.

There's a link to it.

So, yeah.

He signed it.

It's a bit of a meme.

Wow.

The Pope just blessed the holographic Pokemon.

It's like a cute little thing with a

clowny

seal thing with a bubble on its nose.

I see it now.

It's a yeah, chipio.

There you go.

I've noticed that the pokey ball, the thing with the red and white ball, kind of looks like Popeye colours as well.

Like he's wearing all the ways,

the Pope, the Pope, Popeye Ball.

The Popey ball.

Yeah, Popeye Mon,

gotta bless them all.

So, yeah,

he autographed one, he blessed one.

Good on him.

Fuck less for any of that.

He's a Yank, isn't he?

The the new pope.

Yeah, so he's not, apparently, he's not on board with a lot of the Trump stuff.

Like, he keeps saying the opposite, and they're like, this fucking guy, we thought he was one of us.

They thought they put their guy on the throne, and he's just like, no, I'm still the pope.

I'm going to be popey.

I can't be Trumpy.

Exactly.

So, um, first pope they ever had.

Apparently,

apparently, you know how video games now cost like 80 bucks or whatever.

Well, yes, yeah,

yes.

Except if you get stuff on the Steam Summer Sale, which I picked up all the DLC for two-point campus the other day.

Five DLCs for like seven pounds.

Yeah, that's fine.

You know how if you want to buy something that costs more than like 150 bucks, you can get like a normal percent finance deal on it for like payoff in installments.

Well, apparently now.

A company called Exola, which I have heard of.

They did a lot of Twitch integration stuff way back in the day.

They have partnered with a payment provider so that people can spread the price of an $80 game over several payments.

Yeah, great.

More debt.

Well done, everybody.

That's what we need.

More consumer debt.

I read an article about why Steam is so great for Valve.

And one of the reasons is that most people buy games and don't even fucking play them.

Like, that's just the statistics is that there's a lot of games in your library you have five minutes or less on that you bought.

And then said that most of the people that use Steam are more like collectors than anything else.

Yeah, because I mean, you can doubt that, and you can say, Oh, no, no, I buy games.

I put them.

A lot of people don't.

And I speak for myself.

I have so many games in my Steam library that I've played for maybe 10 minutes.

Well, I think sometimes

you grab a couple of them.

Yeah, but I mean, Imperator Rome was man,

that was

a unique one in that it had so much promise, everybody was like so

jazzed for it.

Still bought it, didn't I?

Still bought it, yeah.

So did a lot of people, but it hasn't had like there's many problems.

It hasn't had DLCs or anything.

Hey, I am not defending the game at all, but I'm just saying it's on there.

We're not talking about imperative.

It's okay, no one, no one liked it.

You're not alone, yeah, but it's on my machine.

Like, I bought it.

Well, are you you occasionally, is it like that thing where occasionally you think about the Roman Empire, but it's imperative Rome?

Has this even had DLCs?

Who cares?

It's Imperator Rome.

No, it has not.

It's only had soundtracks.

Oh, there's a couple of content packs, but nothing, uh, nothing big.

They, they abandoned it, basically.

It is depressing that we live in an age where you can buy like burritos on finance as well, because that is one of the things that's happened recently, like DoorDash in America.

You can, if you want to, you know, borrow against your fucking food delivery app, if you can't afford it, it's terrible.

Um, so yeah, you can avoid that, please.

People don't be doing that.

Um, a 22-year-old, a 22-year-old fake dentist and his two assistants

have been

named doesn't say.

Maybe that's why he became a dentist.

His name was Crentist?

No, that's just an office.

You've got to really hate your kid to call him.

Oh, no, it's an artist.

It's a joke in the office.

Dwight is lying about having been to the dentist.

Right.

And Michael knows that he's been to meet Jan instead for a meeting where he's going to take over.

What series was this?

I don't even remember this joke.

I want to say two or three.

It's early on.

Oh, jeez.

And he comes back from the meeting with Jan and

Michael knows.

And he's like, Where have you been?

He goes, To the dentist.

And he goes, Wow.

He goes,

What's his name?

And Dwight just panics and says, Crentist.

He goes,

Your dentist name is Crentist.

That's kind of a coincidence.

Sounds a lot like dentist.

Maybe that's why he became a dentist.

And then he like looks in his mouth.

It's such a fucking funny thing.

I love Deofus.

I haven't watched it in years.

I should watch it again, actually.

I've forgotten.

That's my go-to.

I don't know what to watch.

I will stay in the middle of the morning.

I love that fucking scene when Michael's in the

warehouse and he knocks over all the shelves.

Please.

Guys.

Oh, what a shame.

I've not

hung over.

We can't just keep having these.

I'm trying to read a story.

A 22-year-old fake dentist and two assistants

have been arrested.

It doesn't say his name.

His name is Crenshaw.

He's treating dozens of patients using instructions found on the internet.

Right, nice.

Uh, they they have been arrested and held.

They apparently said this man extracted teeth, performed complex root canals, applied anesthesia just using information he'd found online.

Oh, no, he got away with it for quite a while.

Uh,

but but eventually he got caught.

Give me the beat, boy, feed my soul.

Jesus Christ

for you there.

Finally, this is one for you, P Flax.

Oh, yeah.

Watch out.

It's about being bold or something.

Go on.

There are calls for a summit around birds, especially seagulls, because aggressive behavior has started to become a real concern amongst businesses in Scotland, particularly.

Scots are being left scared, attacked, and traumatized.

Aggressive seagulls have attacked seven children.

Steal my hat!

Yes, you come and help me.

Oh, what's wrong?

Help my hat.

Oh, my hat's been stolen by a seagull.

Some kind of great bird came down from the sky.

Take my hot dog as well.

Grow up.

It's a fucking seagull.

None of this.

Oh, they're getting.

We need a summit.

They're doing.

We need to stop.

They're being aggressive.

Stop walking around with food in your fucking hand.

Fucking come in.

Come inside.

Come and stay at my house for like two or three days

if you want to feel better about your seagull problems.

Listen to this news article.

Mr.

Ross

said on Thursday that people often smirk when hearing that the parliament is discussing the problem of gulls, but it's actually an extremely serious issue.

People are suffering mental health issues.

Very important discussion.

I'm not sure why it's a joke to some of you, because let me tell you, these goals are no messing about.

There are some

Scotland, and, you know, it's that.

I love that accent, Flex.

That's like the Scrooge McDuck accent.

That's what he sounded like.

I love a Scottish accent.

I love that.

One child had gashes to her scalp

blood running down her face.

Blood running down her face.

So

they're discussing the ways to do.

Something must be done.

Well, the things they're suggesting are umbrellas for people to protect themselves with.

And just be a fucking adult.

That's my

extend your arms out very wide.

More dogs.

And go cocka.

And go kaka.

Yeah, they hate it.

They think you're just a bigger bird than them.

Feral dogs is the intention, I think.

Just to release.

Just release feral dogs.

Yeah.

There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.

I don't know why she swallowed the fly.

Perhaps she'll die.

The answer, of course, is to swallow a spider, which wriggled and tickled and jiggled inside her.

I don't know why she swallowed a spider.

She swallowed a spider to catch the fly.

I don't know why she swallowed a fly.

Perhaps she'll die.

How's she gonna catch that spider, Lewis?

She swallowed a seagull to catch the spider

that wriggled and tickled and jiggled inside her.

I love that song.

They got to incentivize some boy racers.

Give them some free Honda Civics and then they can just kill the seagulls with their cars because that's what happens over here.

It's always, you always see like a dead seagull on the road and you know it's been hit by a car that's got like neon lights underneath it and a spoiler and stuff.

People who drive too fast,

they ace seagulls often because they're always trying to eat crap off the road and stuff.

So maybe that could be a a problem.

They're protected over here.

Good.

They're actually protected.

They're wild animals.

We've ruined the world and now we're complaining that they're a part of

tough shit.

We used to have a sniper over here for them.

There used to be a rooftop sniper.

What was his name?

Who used to cull the population regularly?

I don't know what his name was.

His name was Kriiper.

Sounds a lot like Sniper.

Yeah.

Anyway,

but no longer.

Now we just got to rely on people and their Honda Civics.

So interestingly, before we finish,

one of the other things I heard about Glastonbury was that they had a tent where they would sing all these childhood UK songs and hymns, and it was packed full of people.

And it was full of things like, you know, cauliflowers, fluffy.

and cabbages green jump of this shit the infantilization of the west continues apace ding dong amazing dead witch old witch, the wicked witch, like stuff like that.

You hate this.

I love this.

I think this is great.

And like, oh no, Lord La Dance.

You know what?

You've segued perfectly from one non-problem to the root cause.

Yeah.

Now everyone's listening to cauliflower is fluffy or whatever.

And then when a seagull is near them, like, oh, I'm having mental anxiety about a seagull.

What's happening in the world?

Shut the fuck up.

It's a seagull.

You're an adult.

Live with it.

Continue.

No, that's all I had to say.

I just thought it would be nice to let you know that there's nice stuff going on like that.

I say boo.

Okay.

Well, thank you for the news.

Thanks so much for the podcast.

This is a long one.

This might be why I got a long

time.

It's so long, I actually have to go.

It's so long, it's funny.

Yeah, I'm late for another meeting as well.

And I've got.

Lewis, I will see you next month when I'm down in Bristol.

I'm doing

recordings.

Yeah, I'm coming down in August.

Oh, my God.

I'm saying I will see you in the flesh.

In the flesh.

I'm going to be there for the whole week.

You want to do so?

Then we should do it.

All right, let's go.

I'll be there for a week.

I can't wait.

Okay, bye then.

All right.

Thanks for listening and see you next time.

Bye.

Thank you, buddy.

Bye.