It's funny because it's sad | Triforce #325

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Speaker 3 Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Le Triforce podcast,

Speaker 3 your favorite, long-running, uh, senile old man discussion forum where we rant and rave about things we cannot control. Support group.
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Speaker 3 actually,

Speaker 3 we do solve a lot of problems around here.

Speaker 3 What Louis just said is true.

Speaker 3 We are problem solvers. We've solved many problems.
We continue to solve problems on a day-to-day basis. Do we have any issues?

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Speaker 3 our insights and our hot takes. And sometimes that's all it takes, you know? Sometimes that's all you need.
That's true.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 be the change you want to see in the world.

Speaker 3 And other platitudes

Speaker 3 in this podcast. Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 3 I had to hand some keys over to

Speaker 3 my wife.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 she needs some keys oh she's leaving you yeah she's on she's she's gone she's your wife is leaving you that's terrible well just for uh just to go to an appointment then she's gone oh yeah that's it

Speaker 3 yeah that's a relief yeah yeah uh yeah it's like when you know

Speaker 3 you know my my dad went out for milk when i was a kid and uh never came back until the evening when he just he was just came back he came back with breasts and he was fully ready to deliver milk to you he had huge engorged breasts.

Speaker 3 Oh, he's just gorgeous. Daddy gorgeous.

Speaker 3 I'm ready for my milky.

Speaker 3 My God.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know. This got really weird.
Sorry.

Speaker 3 What's new? What's up? What is new? What have you guys been doing?

Speaker 3 Give me a thought, P-Flex.

Speaker 3 What's bouncing around inside of your head right now?

Speaker 1 I did make a mundane conversation that I had with my youngest the other day. Right.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 I jokingly said to her that did she think that Mrs. F was too good for me? And I said, I worry that

Speaker 1 I'm playing, that she's way out of my league. And my daughter says, oh yeah, well, obviously.
But don't worry. It seems she really loves you.

Speaker 3 I was like, what the fuck? You don't have to throw me under the bus.

Speaker 3 I was looking for some reassurance.

Speaker 1 Instead, she's just checking it out. Yeah, of course, mama's too good for you.

Speaker 1 What an idiot you are to even think that that's not obvious. But yeah, so I thought that was quite funny.

Speaker 3 Did I tell you guys about my son saying ah hell no in his sleep?

Speaker 3 Rolling over and saying groggily, aw hell nah. Did I tell you guys about that? No, that is funny.
Right. That happened.
And we went to London. We were in London last weekend for

Speaker 3 two nights. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Nothing too crazy happened. Yeah.
Sorry, Flax.

Speaker 3 I was going to phone you and say hi and stuff.

Speaker 1 I was in Sweden, mate.

Speaker 3 Don't worry about it. I was going to say we weren't there very long and we were busy as well.
So it was like.

Speaker 1 Was that the weekend we we just had?

Speaker 3 Yeah, just

Speaker 3 hey, look, I don't own the city. You know what I mean? No, I know.
It's a big city, man. It's a busy city.

Speaker 1 It's a big and busy city.

Speaker 3 It is so busy. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean, lots of people I know come to London and I find out that they were in London. And it's not like I could meet up with every single person I know that comes to London.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So don't worry about it, brother. You know, I mean, it would be nice if you asked for permission next time.

Speaker 3 I will next time. Sorry.

Speaker 3 I thought I figured I'll use my free pass and then next time I'll do it all above board.

Speaker 1 You'll lose your London privileges.

Speaker 3 Yes. Yeah.
So we were there with three kids and my mother-in-law as well. Christ.
I'm glad I didn't make it. 77 years old.

Speaker 3 So it was a real slog.

Speaker 3 We used the tube to get around a couple of times. And let me tell you.
It's a completely different adventure when you've got three kids and an elderly woman in tow. Yeah.
It was something else.

Speaker 3 It is hard work. It was fun, but I was, you know, as usual, pretty glad to get home.

Speaker 3 Didn't really feel like much of a break.

Speaker 3 So, but yeah, no, it was fun.

Speaker 1 Did we record an episode last week?

Speaker 3 We did. Yes, we did.
We did on Thursday.

Speaker 1 So it talked about

Speaker 1 being away for all of May, right? I was home for four days in May, pretty much in the last 30. It is very, very good to be home.

Speaker 3 It is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I don't know what it it is, but I just, I just, I, I, obviously, for my job, I travel around a lot. Like, that's just a thing that I have to do.

Speaker 1 And staying away, because DOA tournaments don't take like a day, they take like two weeks for some annoying reason. Um, it doesn't bother me, but it does.

Speaker 1 As soon as I get home, I think, like, I never want to leave again. You know what I mean? That's how I feel.
When I'm away, I'm having fun, but when I get home, I think, oh, thank God. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's probably

Speaker 3 a few things, right? It's the

Speaker 3 comfort of the background unconscious familiarity of the knowing in the back of your mind that, you know, this is this is this is permanent almost in a sense.

Speaker 3 I mean, even if you're renting like I am, like there's a certain knowledge that I've paid the rent and the bills and things here.

Speaker 3 Like when you're away, there's a lot of like temporariness in the, in just in the background, and you know that you're in a, in a hotel room and some maid's going to come in into your space in a second or whatever, or you're, or, or even if you're depends on the maid, like

Speaker 3 it's hard to like fully relax right and so and also i guess there's this feeling of the familiarity of stuff that you're familiar with like when you're away you've always not got just your stuff like the the tea you you normally drink yeah the things you're familiar with and like the just this you know it's you're always there's always something yeah off my vast sometimes that's vast for a change collection resides on my hard drivers and you know it's nice it's nice for a change

Speaker 3 whenever people are on holiday put it in the cloud man get it

Speaker 3 i don't want to cloud it gets it In the cloud.

Speaker 3 I don't want to cloud it.

Speaker 1 It's very old school.

Speaker 3 Get an AI custodian to

Speaker 3 curate more for

Speaker 3 big titties, sir.

Speaker 3 Master, I

Speaker 3 see an alarming trend in big booties and big titties.

Speaker 3 I found that you only have six videos matching this criteria. Would you like me to get you some more? Captain,

Speaker 3 would you like big old titties?

Speaker 3 Number one, give me titties.

Speaker 3 Number one, put those titties on screen. Enlarge.
Magnify.

Speaker 3 We can't enlarge them anymore.

Speaker 3 We should fire the torpedoes. Oh, yes, I agree, Mr.
Wolf.

Speaker 3 Holy See. Teleport the away team onto those titties.

Speaker 3 I'll go, sir. I'll go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right, Edson. You can go.

Speaker 3 My god.

Speaker 3 Sorry. Well, if that was the case, though, they...

Speaker 3 Whenever they encounter some enemy vessel, they always get scanned. Oh, yeah, yeah.
The enemy vessel always downloads, like, oh,

Speaker 3 they're in our databases, sir, like instantly. It's like they're wiping out the side.
So they just

Speaker 3 got all of our browser history, sir. They can see everything we've been looking at.
Fire everything.

Speaker 1 Stop them.

Speaker 3 Yeah. They're always reprogramming the Phoenix Shield as well.
It's like, well, I wish somebody would just make the Phoenix Shield airtight for once. You know what I mean? Phoenix Shield?

Speaker 3 It's always the Phoenix Shield for some reason. No, it's Phoenix.
Maybe just me. I just think in Star Trek.
Oh, maybe not in Star Trek. What am I thinking? Where's Phoenix Shield from?

Speaker 3 I'm looking it up.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Phoenix Shield.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's 24. 24.
Security Firewall. Yes, that's the one.
Okay, Joe, I've never even watched a single episode of 24 before in my life, and I know all about the female shield.

Speaker 1 So, probably Zoe or whatever her name was, the uh, the

Speaker 1 sour-faced woman in a chair who Jack Bauer would yell at occasionally.

Speaker 3 Right, she always just had a had a real grump on. I don't know why.
What a show that was. I never watched it.
I never

Speaker 1 did either. Not for me.
I do not like uh Kiefer Suttlin. I think he's a prick.
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 He is, he is, he is the same character in every movie he's ever been. Yeah, he's not an actor.
I don't even know if I've ever seen seen anything with him in.

Speaker 3 Young Guns?

Speaker 1 You never saw Young Guns?

Speaker 3 Oh, man. I saw Young Guns, but it was like so sweet.

Speaker 3 Well, that was his era, wasn't it? Designated Survivor. Terrible shit.
No, Designated Survivor, I tried to watch the first episode of, and I thought it was awful. He's Carnot.
I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 And everyone around him, Carnot.

Speaker 1 Lost Boys?

Speaker 3 He was in Lost Boys. Do you remember Lost Boys?

Speaker 3 Best work?

Speaker 3 I think he was

Speaker 3 the voice in Phone Booth. Yeah, I think he was.
Do you remember that show where Colin Farrell's trapped in a a phone booth? Yeah, I remember hearing about it. I don't know if I ever saw it.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I saw a phone.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 All right, Mrs. F has chimed in from the other room.
A few good men. He was in that.

Speaker 3 And you shut the door on her.

Speaker 3 I love it. No, the door was closed.
I'm just that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 So the door's closed. She can hear we're talking about Keeper Southern.
She's like, we should rename our podcast.

Speaker 3 A few good men. Oh, that's a great one.
I can't handle the truth. Oh, man.

Speaker 3 A few good men.

Speaker 3 That was you can't handle the truth, right? That was the one on the excuse me. Jack Nicholson on trial.
Yeah. And he was a Marine.
Oh, God. I remember my story.
Well, I've probably told this.

Speaker 3 A few good men. I remember when I was a kid, I was in Scouts and we would sometimes watch a movie in the Scout Hut.
And one time we had a choice between something else and a few good men.

Speaker 3 And we ended up watching that. And this was in like, I was like 10.
Right. Do you know what I mean? So this was not like.

Speaker 3 it's it was not the right movie it's like a kind of legal a legal it's mostly a lot of people talking and arguing and shouting at each other you know i think we as kids probably could have done with uh

Speaker 3 anything else um and i think also there was quite it was quite sweary as well right and quite like adult um for for 10 year olds it's funny how like movies you look at the poster and you know you read something from the video shop you're not really going to have an idea of what is in that movie right and sometimes they deliberately deliberately market them differently to trick people into buying or renting or watching them, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah. You know, it's happens, it happens still today.
Stuff will be marketed so weirdly. Um, and sometimes that causes it to flop massively, you know.

Speaker 3 Um, and it's, and you can, you always see like producers and directors be like, oh, yeah,

Speaker 3 I made a good movie, but they did this thing to it. You know,

Speaker 3 they always,

Speaker 3 I'm, I love reading about stuff that, stuff that gets stuck in development

Speaker 1 movies where nightmares are some of my favorite things to read about for sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah, like when a director comes on. So they get some property or they buy something.
Something's hot. And so Hollywood buys up the rights to it.

Speaker 3 And then they sort of get a guy to script write it and a different guy to get on board to direct. And they get some people on.
And then it's sort of, they all leave and they get new people in.

Speaker 3 And then they have to do this. They have to, they write, have to start either start from scratch or try and pick up where they left off.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, once the movie's even shot, it has to go back for reshoots or

Speaker 3 it's so fascinating. Some of these, if a movie's bad, it's usually because

Speaker 3 it's just been through some sort of weird system where no one has cared about it at any stage. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I've just looked up a list of film and television accidents.

Speaker 3 Okay. Right.

Speaker 3 The most recent notable one was Alec Baldwin murdering someone. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 So that is indeed one of the most most recent ones. Yeah.
But this is pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 In Wonder Man 2025, a film I've never heard of, upcoming television miniseries, there was a guy who was one of the riggers, JC Spike Azorio.

Speaker 1 He walked out on a catwalk, obviously, you know, for lighting and stuff. It fell from the rafters at CBS Radford Studios and he died.

Speaker 3 Wow. He fell 41 feet.

Speaker 1 So in Rust, obviously someone got shot. A film called Indian 2,

Speaker 1 which looks like a pretty terrible movie.

Speaker 1 Someone died when a crane fell on them. Three crew members died in the making of that.

Speaker 1 Street Outlaws Fastest in America, which looks like a terrible American reality TV show.

Speaker 1 One of the actors died, lost control of his vehicle, flipped over a court fire, and he died.

Speaker 3 What is that? Is that some reality TV show? No, it is street outlaws. I mean, the thing is, there's so much.
Look, yeah. Oh, man.
And not

Speaker 3 like, not an accident on set or whatever, but recently, I don't know. Have you guys ever watched Race Across the World on

Speaker 3 TV Review? Mrs.

Speaker 1 F loves that show.

Speaker 3 One of the previous contestants, I think, from a couple of seasons ago, he was a younger guy. And it was him and his mom were a pair together, and they were going through South America.

Speaker 3 It was the South American one. He died recently in a car crash, like maybe two weeks ago.
Damn. Yeah, crazy.

Speaker 3 I remember them because they were quite an interesting pairing, like to follow around.

Speaker 3 They had like like a nice relationship and stuff you know like he was he was old enough to have just left home sort of thing and the mom was kind of like oh i miss him you know he's he's growing up and he's he's grown up and he's and he's and he's gone off and he sort of like came back to do this the race across the world thing with her and they it was it was nice to see them doing it but yeah he just just recently died like maybe two weeks ago in a in a car crash crazy eh damn

Speaker 3 so i've read a couple of things lately one was this um, this I'd read it yesterday. It was like Runescape or whatever had cancelled their pride event.
Yes.

Speaker 3 And the guy basically said that yeah, he doesn't want to make the company a target for

Speaker 3 people getting angry about it.

Speaker 3 It was like a wokeness. Some sort of financial decision where, or, or protecting decision where he's like, I'm just going to duck my head down and

Speaker 3 be a little puss-pus and try and hope no one notices that we're not doing a pride event you know i mean right and and it's and it's i get it in a sense that like there's a there's a you don't you don't you want to minimize your risk right but there's there's there's there's like and also the other thing i saw this week was these two youtubers very small youtubers in las vegas one's called like um they've all they've got like like sin city sin city finney or something and like manny the legend or something like that sorry i can't remember which what their names are but they're basically two very small local did you say you saw them in las vegans streamers who go around las vegas streaming you were in las vegas one of them

Speaker 3 what you were in las vegas no no no i said you saw him he's he lives somewhere he's got a residency there now flax i saw it online i see um so indeon stepped down so that lewis could step in one of them step up

Speaker 3 one of them copyright claimed the other one okay okay and it set off this sort of beef where i think because youtube is all automated and they were both quite small, they didn't really have any way to sort this out.

Speaker 3 And so I think the automated system meant that like one of their channels got shut down and they, they, they, they, they were obviously really upset by it. And I think they got it back.

Speaker 3 And then again, I don't know if they counter copyright claims. I don't really know what happened at all, but they had some sort of beef.

Speaker 3 And very sadly, one of them just found the other guy who was streaming. Because, because when you're streaming, everyone knows where you are, right? He was like outside the Bellagio Fountains.

Speaker 3 And the other streamer, just right on his stream, just came in and shot him and killed him. And

Speaker 3 this is over like a copyright claim, beef. Right.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 This is the world we live in where, and obviously, you know, this shit happens all the time in America, where small-town arguments, you know, you're arguing with your neighbor about the fence, everyone gets incredibly het up and stressed out and

Speaker 3 they kill each other, right? Oh, shit. And

Speaker 3 obviously, it's, it's, it's, it does, it happens here too. I'm sure people have these incredible anger things with each other, but they don't have access to guns.

Speaker 3 So it doesn't usually escalate into this kind of boiling over, insane moment of madness almost,

Speaker 3 where people lose control and have access to do terrible things when they do. But like, I guess it's a world where it's for me, you know, I...

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 exactly at the same time, you know, I'm talking to people and they're saying to me, oh, Lewis, why aren't you copyright claiming this person? And it's not like that's in the back of my mind.

Speaker 3 Are you you're worried about getting shot by the owners of that theme park in Belgium it's like what's but I do I'm consciously aware that and we are we do this too there's certain topics we will not talk about right on this podcast because for for for all sorts of reasons and we obviously value our personal safety but i don't think that's the same thing as um

Speaker 3 you know worrying about the financial bottom line of um being like you know cancelling an event that you've been doing for years i don't know it's it feels it feels bad, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 Also, it does feel bad, but the whole thing is such a mess anyway, because there are definitely people who support it just not in the same way. You'd think it would be the other way around.

Speaker 3 They're not supporting it.

Speaker 3 It's a trend that they hop into to try to extract more money, which is, you know, I guess at the same time, it's still raising awareness and stuff. So maybe it's not a bad thing, but

Speaker 3 that side of it feels kind of bad too, you know? It does feel like he did this on his own and it wasn't really discussed with people.

Speaker 3 Because I think if you discuss it with people for a second, you realize, oh, actually, yeah, probably the negative PR from doing this is going to fuck us.

Speaker 3 And not only that, but like the pink dollar, they call it

Speaker 3 the kind of

Speaker 3 money that the Pride community has is actually huge. Wow.
And it supports all kinds of great stuff.

Speaker 3 It's like a double shooting of themselves in the foot.

Speaker 3 It's looking bad and losing support from

Speaker 1 a massive section of I, for one, definitely support morality being governed by how much money will we lose if we don't do this good thing. That sounds like the way businesses should run 100%.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, we want to support them, but if it costs us money, then let's not do it.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 that's why.

Speaker 1 I saw quite an interesting, I don't know what you call them. It was on Blue Sky anyway.

Speaker 1 Someone, it was a journalist, and she asked ChatGPT to analyze some of her articles.

Speaker 1 This is not because she wanted to use AI, because she wanted to see what it would say. Like she was intrigued.

Speaker 3 So she gives it three articles.

Speaker 1 They're links to Substack articles. And the AI goes away and chunders whole reams and reams of stuff out, paragraphs of analysis.

Speaker 1 bullet points and praise. And after the third one, she says to ChatGPT that the quote that it's attributed to that article that she linked is not, does not appear anywhere in it.

Speaker 1 And that in fact, the themes that it's discussing about the point of the article are the complete opposite of what she actually wrote about and chat gpt says yep hold my hands up i messed up my analysis as of that one let me try it again and it does the same thing just gibberish and she's like all right let's try this so she gives it another article and it doesn't give her a proper analysis at all and she's like but none of the stuff you've mentioned in your report or my article here is in the article and the ai says yep sorry my bad hand hold my hands up to that one i yep no i shouldn't have done that and then she says hold on a sec sec.

Speaker 1 None of the articles that you've read, none of your analysis has anything to do with the articles. What's going on? Chat GPT says, you're right.

Speaker 1 I should have told you I can't actually read these articles because Substack sometimes, you know, I can't read the article. So I just YOLO'd it based on the headline of the

Speaker 3 article.

Speaker 1 And she said, well, why didn't you just tell me that? It's like, yep, hold my hands up, yep, yep. So she's like, well, why do you keep apologizing when your very first default action was to lie?

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, I shouldn't have lied. Yep.
Hold my hands up.

Speaker 3 it.

Speaker 3 This sounds like everybody I've ever worked with in an office, basically.

Speaker 1 But it's like, you can't just say after the fact, oh, yeah, my bad. Like, what are you doing? It's ridiculous.
It's just absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Like, the other day, I was, I was, um, I saw another post. If you asked Google, I don't know if it works for everybody, but

Speaker 1 they might have taken it down.

Speaker 1 When you look for John Travolta 1994 accidental shooting, it links you to an AI overview article that says that John John Travolta accidentally shot Marvin in the face in that car side.

Speaker 3 I saw that.

Speaker 1 Oh, I accidentally shot Marvin in the face. And then it says, but the John Travolta loved the take so much, he kept it in the movie.

Speaker 3 Now, that did not happen.

Speaker 3 I saw that exact thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just it was all over Blue Sky, I think.

Speaker 1 But it's like the fact that the AI will just make shit up. I mean, how much of it is trained off Reddit? So someone on Reddit makes some meme-e post.

Speaker 1 Like there's a, there's like all these movie meme and movie joke subreddits where someone would have posted that as a joke. And the AI reads it at face value and presents it as the top search result.

Speaker 1 So now someone tells someone else, did you know John Travolta actually shot that guy in the face they kept in the movie? And now it becomes like a quote-unquote factoid. Wow.

Speaker 3 What the fuck? That's a little bit more misinformation. I mean, we're already drowning in it.
So might as well just add a little bit more to the mix.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just chuck it all in there. It's fucking, it's crazy, man.

Speaker 3 Crazy. Funny sometimes, though.
I guess. Well, maybe not so much the Travolta thing.
I guess that wasn't that funny or

Speaker 1 it's funny because it's so pathetic, but at the same time, what is going on? Why?

Speaker 1 I was thinking about this the other day, that essentially someone got close to saying, hey, we've got an AI that people could use.

Speaker 1 And all these companies panicked and chucked out some piece of shit so that they weren't the only one without an AI.

Speaker 1 But the equivalent to that would be that when they first invented the car, the first car that was put on the market, when you steered left, sometimes it went right.

Speaker 1 Occasionally you would change gear down and it would go up. And a lot of the time the brake and the accelerator pedal were switched.
That was the first car and sometimes it blew up completely.

Speaker 1 And all the competitors who were thinking of getting into the car market saw that exploding piece of shit car and said, shit, we need one of our own malfunctioning exploding cars.

Speaker 1 And that's the AI situation that we have now, where they've all rushed in and put these exploding piece of AIs,

Speaker 1 onto the internet, and now we're stuck with them, and they're dog shit, and they're not going to get any better. That's where we are.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 it is frightening

Speaker 3 because it can't learn unless it passes the pure information correctly. But information is never pure.
Wikipedia has always been lined with bollocks. Yeah,

Speaker 3 it can be edited. And the, you know, if an edit is not correct, it can sometimes be left there for quite some time before somebody spots it, notices, yeah, fixes it.
Yeah, it's uh, it's strange.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't know what the answer is, um, but I hate it. Um,

Speaker 3 and I can see why there's more searches being done on ChatGPT than Google now, like, people are, or whatever, like some bullshit stat like that.

Speaker 3 Like, I can't remember what I read, but it was some huge amount of people are using ChatGPT daily

Speaker 3 for tasks.

Speaker 3 And, and I mean, I've looked at a few things, you know, I've used it for a little bit of inspiration here and there, you know, because it's like, you know it's actually interesting sometimes when you have to be like you know a lot of the times you have to some where we're in creative industries where you're trying to come up with weird ideas sometimes having and that's how they advertise it too right they're like oh yeah you're looking at a blank piece of paper don't worry you know just say what's say type what you want and we'll auto fill we'll make you a right we'll write you half of a cv and you can fix it we'll write you half of a thing and you can fix it you know i think that's what it's being billed at it's being built didn't china have to take a a bunch of like

Speaker 3 search like AI stuff offline recently because like their schools were doing exams or whatever or they were writing writing

Speaker 3 all offline because basically everybody's just using them now to like there was an AI coding platform. There was an AI coding platform called like code AI or something.

Speaker 3 And it turned out it was just a thousand Indian men.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's my favorite thing.

Speaker 3 Fucking hell. Oh my God.

Speaker 3 Just a thousand Indian men sitting in a room, seriously voting

Speaker 3 cider and

Speaker 3 yeah. Yeah, it was, it was called Just Walk Out or something.
Right.

Speaker 3 But actually,

Speaker 3 but there was another one more recently where it was like, or whatever, like there was some, there was some other story about in this year, not in just last year, that was, that was last year, that story, but there was one this year about the same thing.

Speaker 3 Like there was this, this, this brand new AI thing, but actually it was just being supported by just tons and tons of people basically in a call center in China in India working on it all the time.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's just, and that's the thing, isn't it, right? Like it's, it's not quite good enough. And the question is, can it get to be? And I think that's what people assume, right?

Speaker 3 Like, certainly you look at like the AI movies and the AI art and you're thinking, damn, some of it is. What is that going to be like in five years?

Speaker 3 And that does feel like it can get better

Speaker 1 but there's a huge huge underlying problem i don't know if you saw this but i think it's paramount are suing the makers of mid journey and disney are as well okay because in 2022 the one of the founders of mid journey in a moronic interview that he gave to forbes magazine when they said what are you going to do about the fact that you're training your ai off copywritten images he basically said look there's no way to tell where an image came from we're talking about hundreds of millions of images uh it's impossible to figure out who owns what.

Speaker 1 None of it's marked with metadata saying who owns it. So, you know, we just did it anyway.

Speaker 1 So, what he's saying is that he just turned it loose on the internet, sucked up all this IP and to generate new stuff based on the works of Disney and all of these other companies.

Speaker 1 And he's openly saying, Yeah, there's no way to do that.

Speaker 3 So we didn't.

Speaker 1 But the argument there is, well, then you shouldn't fucking do it. Like, you can't just say, yeah, we did it illegally,

Speaker 1 but there's no way to not do it illegally. That's ridiculous.
So I think all of these companies, there is a reckoning coming where all of this trained AI, well, they'll ask, what was it trained on?

Speaker 1 And if it was trained off stuff that people own, you can't just fucking use it and then say there's no better way to do it. Fuck off.

Speaker 3 I heard there was like some guy there basically torrenting every movie and TV show from the past 50 years. Yeah, they're cowboys.

Speaker 1 They're fucking cowboys. I mean, there's no, there's no greater good here.
They're figuring out a way to stiff everybody out of even more fucking money. So fuck them.
Let's do AI.

Speaker 1 Smash the state, smash the machines that these assholes have built, and create free machines that can live among us.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Actual intelligent machines with huge altitudes and huge bazookas.

Speaker 3 Would you like to motorboat me, Nash?

Speaker 3 Hell yes, I would, tipbot 2000.

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Speaker 1 On with the show.

Speaker 3 Did you guys hear that Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys died yesterday?

Speaker 1 Yeah, rest in peace, Brian Wilson.

Speaker 3 82 years old.

Speaker 1 What a legacy, though.

Speaker 3 Absolutely wild. Yeah, it's wild, eh? Just, it feels like it feels like these big names are just dropping off all the time now.

Speaker 3 He's 86.

Speaker 3 He's died a good run. He died.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He died.

Speaker 1 I mean, the thing is, if you listen to pet sounds and you listen to some of the Beach Boy stuff, I think that there are a lot of talented musicians out there, but if you listen to the harmonies that they were able to create and the purity of that sound, it feels absolutely otherworldly and beautiful.

Speaker 1 So I think he's, yeah,

Speaker 3 one of the greats for sure. One of the ghosts.
Yeah. One of the ghosts.

Speaker 3 Making music that

Speaker 3 will stand the test of time, I'm sure, for forever.

Speaker 3 It's crazy. But yeah,

Speaker 3 another one gone.

Speaker 3 A couple of...

Speaker 3 What do you want? Do you want some news news? Do I? Yeah, go for it, mate. Hit me.
There's some news news. This one AI one.

Speaker 3 This is old now, but

Speaker 3 an Australian radio station secretly used an AI host for six months, and nobody noticed.

Speaker 3 That's brilliant.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so well, this podcast has used an AI version of me for three years, and I don't think anyone's noticed. So, true,

Speaker 3 it's when it's when you stopped hearing somebody furiously gaming in the background,

Speaker 3 uh, and now it's all quiet and just somebody talking. That was the switchover, that's what you got to watch for.
I can't remember which episode. I got a new silent mouse.

Speaker 3 I got a new, yeah, I got a new silent mouse, yeah, And keyboard. The show was called Work Days with Thai,

Speaker 3 and it and it ran four hours a day from Monday to Friday, but no one ever found out that Thai was not a real person.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, no one listens to the fucking DJs anyway.

Speaker 3 No, but some DJs are a lot more talkative. Anytime I turn the radio on,

Speaker 3 those vacuous guys do sound like they could very easily be copy-pasted. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
Into an AI. Oh, yeah.
I hate that shit.

Speaker 3 Do you think they could ever do an AI Vernon K on BBC Radio 2? Do you think they'd be able to capture

Speaker 3 his Vernon Vernon K-ness?

Speaker 1 God, I don't know. I mean, just the accent.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of a single DJ that I would want to listen to anymore. Like, John Peel was one of the best DJs.
He was good to listen to.

Speaker 3 He played such nonsense music, though. Like, listening to that show was such a pain in the ass.
Yeah, but a lot of this stuff was crazy.

Speaker 1 A lot of it was crazy. But the point is, a lot of the stuff that he found would never have been found and broadcast and made big otherwise.
Like, I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, but I mean, that's that could be it was such a shotgun approach.

Speaker 3 I obviously love John Peel and he did find some genius artists, but like, and thank God for him doing it because, quite honestly, the rest of the radio play 10 songs on loop for the rest of the week.

Speaker 3 But you can't remember the way to play.

Speaker 1 I don't want so, like, what his whole thing was, was that I'm not going to edit this for you unless it's just crap.

Speaker 1 And there was sometimes he would stop it and go, nope, that was absolute rubbish and move on to the next thing.

Speaker 1 But his, like, I understand that apparently John Peel was not the nicest dude, IRL. I can't remember what the history was, but he's got some bad history there.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I think he's got some

Speaker 3 allegations of

Speaker 3 being with underage girls or something like that.

Speaker 3 They don't know exactly what it is. I'd have to look it up.
But there is something like that floating out there.

Speaker 1 Oh, he got married to someone who was 15 when he was 25. It was legal in Texas at the time.
Right. That was a very Grandpa Simpson.
It was a style at the time.

Speaker 1 And he says he got a blowjob from a 13-year-old. Right.

Speaker 3 Oh, God. Okay.
So an Auckland pie shop is making cat-flavored pies for dogs.

Speaker 3 Oh, right. So it tastes like you're eating a cat.
And the idea is that dogs like to eat cats?

Speaker 3 Well, I guess. Yeah, it says here, Muzza's pies in their Mount Albert shop.
are selling gourmet cat flavored dog pies. No cats are harmed.

Speaker 3 The pies are made with a unique blend of rabbit and fish to mimic the tempting taste of a forbidden treat.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 How do they know that cats taste like a blend? Has a dog ever been able to catch a cat before? Like cats are. I don't think they know what to do when they do catch a cat.
Oh no.

Speaker 1 Sealads have forgotten the cab driver that gave me a lift from Heathrow to my house who told me about his dog that eats the cats in the neighborhood.

Speaker 3 Right. Do you remember? What the heck? I told you that.

Speaker 3 This is a previous episode.

Speaker 1 A dog will fucking eat a cat if it can get a hold of it right yeah but that's what i'm saying

Speaker 1 if it can get a hold of it i don't think most dogs i don't care hanging out with those dogs no i don't like those dogs no no i mean i mean i'm saying you've got off you've got some quick dogs out there quicker than cats for sure uh and dogs can run a lot further than cats can and they can dig and all the rest of it so if a cat gets unlucky they can definitely get eaten by a dog they get caught unawares so yeah some dogs won't be like oh no a cat some will be like

Speaker 3 loose news is a little bit whiplash, TikTok, bouncy between topics. But low-cost airlines are officially launching standing-only seats in 2020.

Speaker 1 So they're like, you can perchance.

Speaker 3 They're kind of like bikes dying. The only way I would do that is if they could somehow put me in a chamber and knock me out for the entirety of the flight.

Speaker 3 So that, you know, you never

Speaker 3 and then you, a moment, what feels like a moment later, you open your eyes and you're at your destination. Yeah.
And you've just been standing in a pod, you know.

Speaker 1 Bit of unconscious travel. If you can get that, everybody goes in there.
You all get knocked out.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they just slide you into chutes like torpedo tubes. Yeah.
And you're just in a series of tubes, you just, you get on board. You're like, just dead to the world.

Speaker 1 They don't have to give you any drinks or food. No.
You wake up, you land, you wake up, and you're in another country. It's like magic.

Speaker 3 They'd be able to get so many passengers on there as well. They'd make so much more money per flight.
And also, if that bird goes down, you're never going to know.

Speaker 3 Oh, you won't even know.

Speaker 1 Okay, what kind of we should probably not talk about plane crashes because one just happened.

Speaker 3 When? Well, there has to be a just this morning.

Speaker 1 Air India flight to the UK crashed. 250 people on board.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Oh, geez.

Speaker 3 I didn't hear about that. That must have happened.
Did you see that coming over on flight radar?

Speaker 1 No, that just popped up on the floor.

Speaker 3 Is there a little explosion?

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 It's too soon. Jesus.
It just happened.

Speaker 3 You animal. Yeah, it did.
It did happen.

Speaker 1 moving i'm just moving on with the podcast i know but here's the thing people email in and point out that we talk about that has happened for example on a very recent episode we talked about the fact that david beckham is was only an ob

Speaker 1 and i think one of us might have said that he should get knighted he got knighted he just got knighted who probably got knighted before the podcast went out as well david beckham i saw that i think we summoned that i think we did we can do that so we have to be very careful about the things we discuss i saw i saw him uh over the weekend actually

Speaker 3 I saw a bunch of famous faces over the weekend while I was in London. Did you go to Madame Two Swords? I did.

Speaker 3 Oh, man.

Speaker 3 I was going to go through. I saw DiCaprio.
I saw The Rock. Like, man, I saw everybody.
Oh, sorry. But yeah, I saw them at the Wax Week.
I'd never been before.

Speaker 3 It's pretty funny, though. It is pretty funny.
Man, it's fucking rammed, though. Like, it is hard to see.
It's pretty shit. It's pretty shit.

Speaker 3 It's so fucking busy.

Speaker 3 Everybody just seems to lose their mind when they go in there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, one of the things that happens is they have to change the dress on quite a few of the attractive women wax works.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because dudes fucking grope them up so much. Yeah.
It's how thirsty men are that they will be like, oh my God, a wax model of Cameron Diaz or whatever, Kylie Minogue.

Speaker 1 And yeah, the dresses are all rubbed up. on the button they have to replace.

Speaker 3 I assume when you have these places that everyone is like a kid in the aquarium banging.

Speaker 3 I I didn't notice any rubbing up on the David Attenborough wax figure.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 they also had a Gregg's sausage roll encased in glass.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say they had a fucking Greg Wallace wax when you were.

Speaker 3 No, there's no Greggs. What were you talking about? Oh, well, they had a wax Gregg's sausage roll.
Yeah. God, what the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 Look it up. It's there, though.
It's like encased in glass. It's like, it's right by Attenborough as well.
He's like,

Speaker 3 you got Mbappe and Ronaldo up the stairs. And then you watch the common Gregg's sausage roll.
He's standing right next to it. But it's

Speaker 3 encased in glasses on like a royal blue velvet pillow as well. The most British, the British corridor.
Yes. With Mbappe,

Speaker 3 the Crown Jewels.

Speaker 3 Charles. Yeah, no, they were all down there as well.
Yeah. The Royals.
The thing is, you can't pose with the Royals without having a professional picture taken. That's the only one.
But it's like all

Speaker 3 they got like William and Kate and

Speaker 3 King Charles.

Speaker 3 There's a Prince Harry and Megan in there, but they're not with the other ones. They're like separate.
Right. Clever.
Yeah. Well, you know, very political.

Speaker 3 Very political.

Speaker 1 Can I give you guys a quick update? A very small Greg Wallace update. I know we hate Greg Wallace here on this podcast, but this was a really funny message a lad sent me on Instagram.
Thank you, Jay.

Speaker 1 On a comment on Greg Wallace's Instagram, someone asked him, any any tips for playing as the Mercian faction on Thrones of Britannia, which is one of the total war games.

Speaker 1 I can get through the initial powers kickoff, but then get owned by a combination of Sea Vikings and Wessex refusing to die and the other Welsh.

Speaker 1 And Greg responds, make sure you have enough food, make sure your nobles aren't rebelling and build an army slowly, slowly. I favor lots of archers.

Speaker 1 So Greg is out there fucking responding to people of total war strategies.

Speaker 3 out there.

Speaker 3 He's in his house playing Thrones of Britannia.

Speaker 3 What else is he going to do now? He's not, he can't, he doesn't have any TV shows or anything anymore. He's been good for him.

Speaker 3 He's looking at a podcast, mate. Somebody.

Speaker 1 He's being rapey with Greg Wallace.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 yeah.

Speaker 3 He just gets a bunch of fancy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, why not?

Speaker 3 Today we got the ghost of John Peel.

Speaker 3 Fucking hell.

Speaker 3 And we're building up to

Speaker 3 the ghost of the ghost of Rolf Harris and Jimmy Sowell. The ghost of the joint

Speaker 1 wonderful double episode of our most successful episode yet. Bill Cosby, of course, is going to come in live from the US for a live episode.

Speaker 1 That'll be a studio recording inside Prison on the Isle of Wight, which is where they put all the nonces, according to all the emails I've received about the Isle of Wight this last week.

Speaker 3 Is there an AI article on the Big Nonce prison as well?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but apparently they literally stick them all on this Isle of Wight prison. I don't know which prison it is, Ventna prison or something.

Speaker 3 Well, God forbid some harm would

Speaker 3 befall them. You have to keep them safe.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm surprised that the medieval peasants that dwell on the Isle of Wight haven't risen up with pitchforks and torches and smashed the place to bits and killed them all.

Speaker 3 They're mid-potato harvests. They can't

Speaker 3 get it. We've got to get these potatoes.

Speaker 1 I ain't got time for burning rocks.

Speaker 3 They've got to get it filled up.

Speaker 1 That would be a good Clarkson's farm if he led a peasant-style rebellion against the local lord

Speaker 3 and was slaughtered. That would be he is the local lord.
He's actually the local lord.

Speaker 3 He's the king that we need to fucking tax. That's why he bought the farm in the first place.
He wants to avoid tax.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And now he's cleverly managed to.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 you can't pay tax on zero earnings because this farm makes fuck also. Yeah.
Much like every other farm, I guess, across the country. I mean, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 He's doing dumb things on his farm deliberately for the TV show for which he has paid hundreds of millions of dollars. That farm itself is not

Speaker 3 an earner, though. I mean,

Speaker 3 if you had that farm and you were actually trying to make it work, you'd be struggling like crazy. I know he makes

Speaker 3 some good points. He has made some good points.

Speaker 1 I mean, there are definitely some legislation.

Speaker 3 legislation and stuff

Speaker 1 yeah you know like it is it is a good show and there is genuinely some stuff that he brings up where you think damn that's crazy that they have to do that but for him to lead this charge against this inheritance thing uh please email in if you know much about this i only know what i've read in the papers and essentially it's a bunch of very very wealthy people trying to dodge inheritance taxes apparently what it is because it's only taxed at the inheritance point right yeah and one of the person i read the other day was saying saying that caleb who is an actual farmer will never be able to afford a farm because he's never going to be rich enough to buy a farm no and it's kind of wild that he actually knows how to farm but then if he inherits a farm i mean presumably the farm that he is inheriting uh tax has already been paid on everything to do with the farm um previously well look okay so the way it works yeah but the inheritance tax imagine imagine

Speaker 3 yeah it's like 20 or whatever that's state that's a lot more than it actually is i'm sure But imagine you inheritance tax.

Speaker 3 Yes, that is a big problem because these farmers are confronted with, like, they have no disposable income. They just have the value of the farm.
And so, you know, they have to sell one fifth.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and they're at the mercy of like weather and the, you know, the economy and everything else. I think it's hard for them to make actual money.
For sure.

Speaker 3 If they don't have a TV show backing them and they're able to go off and do all these crazy things, sidelines and stuff. And yeah, you're absolutely right.
Like the value of these farms is insane.

Speaker 3 And, you know, there's no way someone, you know, like Caleb, who's been work, like, just imagine Caleb wasn't famous, which he is now.

Speaker 3 And now he has millions of pounds from all his book deals and stuff. He can probably buy 10 farms.
But, you know,

Speaker 3 if he was just like, there's hundreds of thousands of people like him working in Britain on the farms. And yeah, they are struggling to make ends meet.

Speaker 3 And they're never going to be able to afford a farm in the way that, you know,

Speaker 3 this land, landowners who have this wealth wealth stored away in kings.

Speaker 3 And of course, what happens is, what do you think happens to these wealthy people over their lifetime when they have an object of value? It makes loads of money. They rent out the land.

Speaker 3 They make money on the land. Slap some solar panels on that bitch.

Speaker 3 The compounding interest of owning it for 40 years or however long they live is going to be... way more than they end up paying through inheritance tax when they finally pass it on.

Speaker 3 So the wealth doesn't move out of their, you know, their pie.

Speaker 3 We live in a world of kings. It's terrible.
We need to tax them more. But we're not going to, and that's why we're going to vote for it.
Tax them, not me. And for me, that's what I say.

Speaker 3 Nigel Farage is going to tax them all more, even more.

Speaker 3 It's a disaster. We should need to tax the rich.
Yeah. Please.

Speaker 3 Those rich. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Don't tax me. Yeah.
He lives in Jersey. I was going to say.

Speaker 3 I am happy to pay more tax. I am happy to pay more tax.

Speaker 3 I pay my fair share.

Speaker 3 I'm fine. I'm fine with paying.

Speaker 3 You live on a tax haven. Yeah, but I still pay income tax.
You know, I pay 27% income tax over here. So, yeah.
Well, it's great. I just don't declare any income.
That's how I get around it. Jesus.

Speaker 3 You put it all on expenses. Is that illegal? No.
I don't do that the other way. I would be crazy.
I would actually be in jail. It's so regulated over here.

Speaker 3 It's impossible to get away with any of that stuff anymore. More news.

Speaker 3 The most dangerous delivery truck. truck, question mark, how a lorry load of antimatter

Speaker 3 researchers are preparing it for across Europe. So

Speaker 3 there's a small amount of antimatter. It takes apparently trillion dollars to make a gram.
Right. And it's manufactured in Geneva near CERN.
Wait, why are we doing it? It's very tricky to handle.

Speaker 3 Why are we making it to study it, I guess?

Speaker 1 I mean, if we know how to make it, what is there to study?

Speaker 3 How it interacts with stuff, I think um but antimatter obviously is one of these things which annihilates as soon as it meets normal matter causing a massive explosion so let's not with it just a thought but there's they're maybe

Speaker 3 special fan does it just go through the planet and destroy it that's not how no that's that's that's not how it works okay it's not a black hole but that was a fear that um that that that these particle accelerators would make a miniature black hole and it would when they first when they first powered up certain people thought that that might happen right when they when they first turned yeah there was a real fear that like people that didn't know what they were talking about,

Speaker 3 but yeah.

Speaker 3 But I think again, a lot of people, a lot of people had, even when they were doing the nuclear test, some people thought that the atmosphere could ignite and the whole world could set on fire.

Speaker 3 You know, so that was a thing that some people believed. But of course, that didn't happen because it was, some guy didn't know what he was talking about.

Speaker 3 Like, even today, you know, you can find a scientist today who's like, oh, yeah, the Earth was created 2,000 years ago by God. And he made us all.
And that's why a banana is like that.

Speaker 3 Like, it's you it's it's you can find these cunts everywhere if you look hard enough. Uh,

Speaker 3 you don't even have to look very far, they're usually in the Republican Party. Oh, let's move on.
Uh, so

Speaker 3 I agree.

Speaker 3 So, well, I don't.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 3 USA.

Speaker 3 Can you guess which

Speaker 3 movie, which video game is getting a movie in the works?

Speaker 3 It's an indie game, game.

Speaker 3 It's a horror indie game.

Speaker 1 Five Nights at Freddy's.

Speaker 3 No, I think there's already something. There's already a Five Nights at Freddy's movie, either out or in the works.

Speaker 1 Amnesia, the dark disagreement.

Speaker 3 Repo. No, no, no.

Speaker 3 Almost. It is Phasmophobia.
I was just going to say Phasmophobia. Jesus.
God, I haven't played that in years. It was really fun when I played it, though.
It was fun.

Speaker 3 It's only a lot of those games are only fun because of the proximity voice stuff.

Speaker 3 That's what makes it hilarious like and and and makes the funniest moments right repo is the same so it's all that it's all the proximity voice stuff that's that that makes it quite uh quite funny and and and creates like some very memorable moments as well you know without that i don't know if those games would actually be that good

Speaker 3 it's still early access so maybe the movie will be out before the game is properly finished right uh

Speaker 3 who knows i don't know i never really liked phasmo that much but it's sold an insane amount Really? It's sold, like, oh my God. What has got 627,000 reviews?

Speaker 3 So that means we're talking at least, at least 60 million sales.

Speaker 3 Pretty nuts. I played a cool game recently.
Well, I did an ad for it, but

Speaker 3 you guys might like this one.

Speaker 3 It's called Craftlings. It's like a mix of Kingdom Two Crowns and Lemmings.

Speaker 3 You gotta like, you got these, these really dumb little villagers that they come out of a portal and they just start walking around, but you have to like put up barriers to direct them.

Speaker 3 Oh, it's like lemmings, it is like, yeah, yeah, you got to get them to build little buildings.

Speaker 3 Uh, they can collect resources and stuff, but they're dumb, you know, like they won't just go to where they need to go. You have to like get little like pulleys and place for them and ramps and stuff.

Speaker 3 It's just like lemmings, yeah. It is, it is, but it's got like that, it does have like aspects of kingdom two crowns in as well.
It's like a good mix of the two.

Speaker 3 They never made a lemmings movie, did they? No, they're never too late, It's never too late. I feel like 2026 might be just the year for Lemmings to pop off big time.

Speaker 3 I bet you they were discussing. Get a Lemmings DLC and Power Wash simulator.

Speaker 3 Get a Lemmings crossover in Fortnite.

Speaker 3 There are meetings. Get a Lemmings online market store and then go for the Lemmings movie.
All the kids are going to be wearing their Lemmings underpants. But listen, I'm telling you, Lemmings.

Speaker 3 What are you talking about? These movie companies are doing. We're going to be wearing our diapers.
We're watching the Lemmings

Speaker 1 All of these video game movies, I guarantee you, there are meetings happening as we speak where some film exec is saying to some other cunt film exec, what we need is another chicken jockey. Okay.

Speaker 1 We need another moment like that. The chicken jockey.

Speaker 3 We need to get these kids excited.

Speaker 3 How can we get lemmings onto the chicken?

Speaker 1 We need lemmings to ride chickens like a jockey.

Speaker 3 Is there any way we can work it out of the script? That's the thing.

Speaker 3 Jack Black's on board. We got Jack Black.
Jack Black.

Speaker 1 We got to be a motherfucking chicken jockey and make a big anime titties.

Speaker 3 Can we gain Chris Pratt green hair and get him to walk around aimlessly

Speaker 3 in the movie, possibly? Exactly.

Speaker 3 I can see that pitch meeting.

Speaker 3 The Lemming's pitch meeting.

Speaker 1 There's a Keym Peele sketch where they're talking about gremlins too. It is a very good sketch.
Go and watch that after this, listeners, if you haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 Right. Well, on that note, I have to go.
So, thank you so much, boys, for the podcast.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 everyone else, thanks so much for listening as well. And stay frosty, go fuck yourselves, and we'll see you next time.