This will age poorly | Triforce Mailbag #56

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Hello, chumps!

And listen, welcome, and listen, welcome, welcome, listeners.

Christ, what an intro.

Welcome and listen.

Welcome.

Hey, listen up, you.

Welcome.

Let's dive straight into it.

This is from

listening to the latest episode, you discuss Walton Goggins and his excellent name.

Thought you'd like to know he owns an eyewear line called Walton Goggins Goggle Glasses.

And it's true.

No way.

GogginsGoggles.com.

Yep, look it up.

Holy crap, I didn't know that.

Okay, they look ridiculous.

Oh, they look so 80s.

So imagine that you were told that a cyborg assassin from the future had been sent to look for you and it was like, just keep an eye out.

You'll know him when you see him.

That's what Goggins goggles look like.

They're Macho Man Randy Savage glasses, basically.

I mean, they seem there for skiing.

They are.

They look like ski goggles, only they're

awful.

I think they look a bit like Oakleys or something.

I hate them.

They're dry.

Walter Goggins, I love you.

Love you.

And Walter Goggins goggle glasses.

And he's a little bit more.

He read an article about him this week.

Apparently, he used some sort of speech to talk about how he was a sex symbol at 55.

And someone said to him, you know, someone mentioned his receding hairline.

And he said, my hairline's been the same since I was a kid.

It was always that.

Yeah.

He's just got that look, you can see.

So the goggles you can call.

One of them's called Mama's Skillet.

One's called Limoncello.

One's called Cumilo Nimbus.

One's called La Tour Tuga.

And one is called Blue.

So they ran out of names, I guess.

Wow.

Did you know it features a modular 10-in-one customization system as well, complete with adjustable strap, chrome inserts?

No.

I mean,

it's like the Rolls-Royce of glasses.

That's ridiculous.

They're not goggles or glasses.

They are goggle glasses.

They are.

Morton Goggins, goggle glasses.

Goggins, goggle glasses.

Oh, my God.

The Pidgey brought me a twig.

You know, I've got my Pidgeys that I feed.

Yeah.

One of them just brought me a twig as a present.

God bless you, Pidgeys.

Have a great day.

Is it for you or are they trying to make a nest on your sill?

Well, he dropped it here, and then he's just going back to eating seeds.

So I'd like to.

Yeah,

I think he looked around my office.

He looked around my office.

Don't move it.

Don't touch it.

No, touch it.

I wouldn't touch it.

But what I'm saying is I think he might have thought your fucking nest needs some work, mate.

You're going to have a front row seat to some real dirty sex, and then you're going to see pigeons give birth and make a real mess on your windowsills.

Well, it's just, they lay eggs.

They don't give birth.

They're going to give birth right up.

I don't mind just how birds work.

I don't mind.

I always say any animal that can live alongside disgusting, violent, careless human beings deserves all the respect it can get.

And that extends to foxes, rats.

Rats.

Saw a rat yesterday.

Even a humble fly.

I rescued a fly from my sink the other day because I was like, we need flying insects.

He'd got a bit of soap on him, so he couldn't get free of the water.

So I dried him off and left him there.

He was fine.

What kind of fly are we talking?

A little house fly.

Nice.

All right.

So shall we move on to this?

Is from Philistine Swine.

Yes.

I work in a grocery store and have kept an eye out for abandoned lists since it was mentioned on a mailbag.

Most are as mundane as you'd expect, but I did find one with nothing but the word sauce, exclamation mark, question mark on it.

Make of that what you will.

I do love the idea of someone having uh

go out and get some sauce, maybe sauce, and just wrote that down on a piece of paper and took it with them.

Yeah, uh, I have, however, encountered several people with unusual names, as when they punch in their store rewards phone number, it displays on my screen, unbeknownst to them.

Best names encountered so far are

Augustus Jimmy Cumb and Dusty McNutt.

Dusty McNutt.

Yeah.

Augustus Jimmycumb is a great.

Yeah.

And the final question, do we actually use the term spaff on me minge or has the internet once again led me astray?

I've never spaff on me minge.

Spaff on me minge.

I'm not sure that that's a used one.

I mean it could it could be.

It could be but I doubt it.

I would I mean those are words.

Is that going to get you going much?

Like when you're.

Oh, spaff on me minge.

Yeah.

It doesn't work, does it?

What is the tweet?

Your mum told me last night.

Someone,

you mum's going.

Oh, man.

Do you want to hear about the inshitification of the Triforce podcast?

Yeah.

Oh, I'm aware of it, but keep going.

Okay.

So, first of all, someone, I saw a subreddit post where someone pointed out that they'd only just noticed that Triforce has an exclamation mark after it, which I...

I had also forgotten.

You lads often bang on about, this is from Noah,

the inshitification inshitification of the internet and how everything nowadays is filled with ads.

You are all just as guilty in this regard.

The Triforce podcast has just as many ads as everything else on the internet.

Timeline.

This is a timeline, breaking down our portrayal of the humble listener.

In the early days, there were no ads, and Lewis said, we'll never do a Patreon.

Probably 20 episodes later, the Patreon opened up.

Later, we started hearing hosts.

Probably

add-on.

Go on.

That doesn't sound very accurate.

We've done 300 and something 20 episodes.

I'm just saying, how many how many, what was the actual?

Well, I don't know.

Someone will know.

I don't think we did the Patreon until at least 100 episodes.

I don't know.

Later, we started hearing host read ads for services like honey, which turned out to be a massive scam.

More recently.

That's true.

Right.

We didn't know at the time.

No, we didn't know.

More recently, random ads were added to the start and end of the podcast episodes.

And now I hear random ads for things like banking services and tourist destinations in the middle of the podcast.

So from start to finish, I'd probably hear, this lad says, eight to ten ads in one episode.

I didn't think so.

So it depends.

It's crazy.

I know.

It depends where you're listening.

Yeah.

Money is so tempting and necessary as well.

I mean, we need it for us.

Well, okay, different people will hear different levels of ads.

And also the platform is it.

Obviously, Spotify adds their own ads.

You know, so if you're not subscribed to Spotify Premium, you get, it's basically unlistable Spotify if you're not subscribed to Premium because there's just so many ads.

I was went to my parents and they have regular Spotify on their Alexa thing or whatever.

It was just non-stop ads.

I was like,

when's music going to start?

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

So it's crazy.

I think that we obviously still do have a Patreon.

We don't push it.

And we haven't even mentioned it in six months.

You do get ad-free

if you're signed up to it.

What if there was like a thing where Tom does every week tediously upload a separate ad-free version, ad-free feed to the podcast.

You know, if you want to take advantage of that, go ahead.

But not many people do.

And in fact, so few people did that we had to put ads on the podcast.

So I guess it's your fault, is what I'm saying, listener.

If you're here in ads, it's because you don't want to pay enough to support us.

And if you're

the reason you're here in ads, it's because no one else does want to pay to support us either.

So, and why would they?

I mean, let's be real here.

Let's be honest.

So that's that's part of it, though, right?

Like, it's it's it's people

here we go are willing to pop what it's it's a balance

everyone's like this

performing on the fly everybody pay attention well you know i i obviously resisted subscribing to

a disgusting thought for a long time

for a long long time and i think youtube did the did did the math and they said right if we start upping the ads on um youtube premium it's going to make people more annoyed um to to normal YouTubers, like I just started to find that YouTube ads were getting really, really annoying.

Yeah.

And I think YouTube knew that I could afford to subscribe to Premium and was resisting.

And so they were trolling me.

This is just like the most recent series of Black Mirror, where the woman has a terrible brain injury and a company says, Look, we can help.

We can fix her brain.

But then they start to have her read ads aloud in her day-to-day life without realizing she's doing it.

And they were like, Yes,

that's our basic package now.

If you want the premium package, it's all that kind of gradually scaling it up.

Right.

So they fix her brain, but she's just like

doing

blurbs for ads without realizing it.

Yeah, so she's a teacher.

So she's in the middle of class and she's discussing something and then she suddenly goes kind of robotic, does the ad read and then goes back to normal.

She doesn't even know she's doing it.

And there are things like, try so-and-so as your washing powder today.

Ask your parents about.

Kellogg's cornflakes or whatever.

At the time I watched that, I realized it was a cautionary tale about the current way we live.

All of these things are, right?

They lean into a thing that's going on in the real world.

And this is the thing, the subscription services.

Yeah.

What if it was unfettered?

I think that's the whole point of that Netflix episode, right?

Because we've all experienced this and we're all living in a subscription world where we subscribe to a million things.

But, you know,

yeah, there's ads on the podcast.

But God, have you ever listened to any other fucking podcast?

It's also the same.

So

let's move on before Lulu is a blood i hate it but i can't do anything about it actually

um because we put all the all the podcasts through this service and it's kind of automatic we can the machine has taken over essentially if you do have problems with the specifics of ads or or bugs do just post it on the podcast because everything gets fed through to sam and he feeds it back like sometimes the do you mean post it on the subreddit yeah yeah so that that's because i read the subreddit and uh i'm like the tech support and i'm happy to continue to be i don't mind yeah forward a lot of stuff through to to Sound.

Of course, of course.

So here we go.

So I have been a listener since the start, but stopped listening for a while.

Then when I restarted, I continued where I'd left off chronologically.

Long story short, the latest episode I listened to was published in August 2023.

I actually enjoy listening this way as I get to listen to you discuss world news and internet trends with hindsight, e.g., you recently discussed what might happen to the Titan submarine that had lost contact.

Obviously, nothing good.

It's like a portal back in time.

Yeah, it's true.

Which means if I keep listening in regularly, in roughly two years, I will listen to the next nailbag episode you're due to make.

I suggest you make a prediction of something that will have happened by the time I listen to your next episode in 2027.

When I eventually listen to the episode, I will email back on how closely or wildly inaccurate you are.

I hope that makes sense.

Happy chin wagging, Ivor.

Ivor, let's think about this.

Something you want to make a prediction about.

So near future, we're talking about two and a half years, not that far.

Okay, I reckon.

Okay, first of all, deaths.

Who's going to be dead?

David Adams.

So many people will be dead in the next two years.

Yeah, but famous people.

Well, there's so many famous people.

A lot of them will be dead too.

I'm not saying, I'm just, I'm not saying there's like, you know, something ominous on its way coming.

I'm just saying naturally, over the course of two years, you'd be surprised lots of people will die.

So looking at the death list, which is the 2025 death list,

the most likely to die.

It's a website called deathlist.net.

You can look at it.

Right.

Okay.

Dick Van Dyke is 20 years.

He's 100.

Dick Van Dyke will be dead within two years.

Mark my words.

I don't want it to be so.

But come on.

He's 100.

There's no way.

Dick Van Dyke is not.

I think he's in reasonably good health, though.

Sure.

Eva Marie Saint.

I don't know who that is.

Eva Marie Saint.

An actor.

Oh, she's 101.

She's very old.

She's 100.

Sorry.

Pete Murray, British radio presenter.

Politician Dennis Skinner, Labour politician, 93.

Wow.

Ian Smith, who played Harold Bishop, he's 87.

Esther Ranson is still going, 85.

Alan Greenspan, 99, economist.

Mel Brooks, he's also 99.

Wow.

Noam Chomsky, 97.

Clint Eastwood.

Chomsky's looking every year of 97 now, unfortunately.

He looks like a girl.

I could imagine that the trifecta of a very, very wildly different trifecta, Mel Brooks, Noam Chomsky, Clint Eastwood, all gone.

I could imagine that.

They're all pretty old, yeah.

Yeah.

Yoko Ono, you know, I'm not sure that would be a terrible loss.

She must be like in her 80s now, right?

She is 92, my oh my god.

And Attenborough, 99.

I'll be honest with you.

Come on now.

I mean, I love David Attenborough.

I hope he lives forever, but let's be real.

Yeah.

I think once you're pushing 100, it's, you know, it buzz Aldrin as well.

Robert Duval is 94.

I can imagine that.

Oh, Rupert fucking Murdoch.

Surely his time is nearly up.

This card.

Oh my God.

So,

well, what else, though, do you think global things are going to happen?

Okay, let's have a quick thing.

Where's the situation going to be in Ukraine, right?

I think in two years' time.

I think it will be over, and it will not be a peace settlement that Ukraine is happy with, but it's either that or destruction.

I think that is certainly one thing.

I think that China will have invaded Taiwan at some point

certainly with extremely bold moves.

Yeah, I do.

Yeah.

They've built these fucking landing craft.

Wait, you think they're just looking at them?

They're fucking drilling and practicing.

What if they do it in two years and one day though?

And you're wrong.

I'll take that.

Close enough.

I don't know.

I disagree with that one completely.

I think really they haven't even like seeing it.

Taiwan has all these little islands and things off the coast of China that they haven't even like taken.

Do you know what I mean?

I feel like they could have.

I feel like it's, I feel like it's too obvious, right?

They don't need to.

No.

Wouldn't wouldn't

Wouldn't the global

sort of outrage that that would spark be really bad for China?

So you mean like, for example, the invasion of Ukraine by Russia or the potential invasion of Greenland by the United States?

They're all up to it.

They don't have to be afraid of that.

That

hasn't actually happened.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine's been really bad for Russia.

Of course.

Well,

this isn't about discussing what we think about politics.

It's what we think is going to happen.

So what about the situation?

No, that's what I'm saying.

I'm saying I don't think it's going to happen in two years' time because I don't think they're ready to deal with like a total global meltdown backlash, maybe in like 10 years, but like, no, I don't think in two.

That's my opinion.

But we'll see.

But, I mean, I feel like the problem is they control so much of manufacturing that if we just said, oh, we're not going to trade with them, then we would be fucked.

And they know that.

Again, let's not discuss this.

I just want to know what you think is going to happen in the future.

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

In the next two years, for this guy,

when this guy listens to this episode in 2027 he can laugh at how wrong we were i mean i'd love to be wrong i'd love to be wrong about all this oh i mean

maybe he could nervously laugh about how right we were oh god within two and a half years we're gonna spot um we're gonna find uh very very very good evidence of uh either a doomsday asteroid or i know we've spotted this one planet where we're like well there's probably lots of water there and there might even be life i reckon in two and a half years we're going to find something that we're like okay that proves it there is definitely life on this planet that's what I think is going to happen.

Right.

You think there'll be some planet with like where they're like, the only way you get this is, you know, whatever.

Something like that.

These are like really big things, though.

These are all really big things.

The likelihood of all of them happening or even some of them happening.

I don't know.

It's like

think of something mediocre that you think might happen.

I think there's going to be a new Nike shoe within the next two years.

I think McDonald's are going to try to spice up their menu a little bit in the next two years.

Let's see.

Maybe there'll be some

healthier options.

Maybe they'll go back to plastic straws.

I don't know.

Oh, no, I think actually it's going to go the other way.

They'll be like, I mean, look how

foolie paper.

Well, they banned plastic bags, didn't they?

Or at least put a charge on them.

And that the government

has.

Yeah.

Well, a lot of governments have.

Yeah, but a lot of that.

They roll back, thanks to the right people.

And the fucking rest is 70p for a bag for life.

They're charging 70 cents a bag.

It's ridiculous.

These bags aren't even any good.

But hold on a minute.

Wait, wait.

These bags are...

No, no, hold on.

I'm talking.

These bags will last you a lifetime.

You could fill them up.

Oh, all kinds of groceries.

Depends what you consider a lifetime, yes.

The rest of Biden's lifetime, which is

groceries.

It's a beautiful word.

He's got to be on the list too.

He's pretty old, no?

Did you see?

Oh, he's old.

Did you see the thing where Trump went to talk to some fucking world leader and he was talking about groceries?

He was telling him we have a tour.

Yeah, that's just recent.

That's just recently.

This is a Middle East,

his tour of the Middle East.

But did he just learn this word?

I feel like he just learned it, where someone was like, I got to get some groceries.

Groceries, what are they?

Food, you know, things you buy from the store.

A fascinating old-fashioned word.

But people still use that word all the time.

Well, I don't think he's ever been grocery shopping before in his life.

So this is.

It just appears on a plate.

It comes out of a hatch.

The little man delivers it.

I don't need to do it.

Well, no, for him, it just comes out of McDonald's.

They deployed a mobile McDonald's just for him on this recent tour.

I'll tell you what.

It would be worth being president, even if you're not liked to have a fucking McDonald's just follow you around and just drop off burgers and fries.

Or fucking hard

to figure out what's going to happen in the future.

If we knew anything, I think this is actually the worst time in the world.

You're asking three of the history to predict what's going to happen in the future, though.

No,

it feels like we have a big strike chaos at the moment.

Who's going to be the richest man in two and a half years?

Well, probably still, it's probably still Musk, right?

It changes quite often.

He's just got so much money that it's only just going to, he's just,

he can only get more money now.

I don't think it's, I don't think he can, I mean, he's almost, he has lost a little bit, but I don't know.

He's probably gained it all back, right?

Like, there's so much pumping going on in the stock market.

Like, I can't see him losing much.

I think he'll only gain.

I think it'll probably still be Musk, but could be wrong.

I don't know.

Well, do you want another email?

Yeah.

All right.

Let's do it.

All right.

My boyfriend has been listening to your podcast for as long as you've been doing them.

And last year, after much convincing, he got me to listen.

After a much convincing.

Yeah.

And to be honest, I still don't.

This is excellent.

So what I love is there's these boyfriends and husbands out there who are saying to their

ladies,

God, I listen to this podcast.

It's so funny.

Like, I really don't want to listen to your little podcast.

No, no, no, John, he's really good.

And they listen, they're like, Oh, God, I'm just picturing that scene from pulp fiction with this guy holding a gun to his girlfriend's head.

Try for us, motherfucker.

Do you listen to it?

A guy, a man stopped me outside the office today and said, I have a diminutive Johnson.

Nice.

And I was like, oh, goodness, me, that's

perfect.

And then the other day, someone did actually yell, I have a tiny penis, quite loud in the middle of the street.

Nice at me, which was so it's all sorts.

You're out there.

And God, I love you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyway, the reason I'm writing this email is because a few months ago on the podcast, you were talking about bathroom pairing.

Do you remember we're talking about how you have toilet twinning or bathroom pairing?

Sure.

Anyway, my university, University of York, big fan of University of York, by the way, and York, was mentioned.

Now, my university not only has paired bathrooms, but it also has a famous duck.

Did you guys know this?

Is it Howard the duck?

the duck was called longboy and he became our unofficial mascot the thing that made him special was his incredibly long neck hence the name a student a few years ago decided to make an instagram account for him which now has nearly 60 000 followers wow his number one fan appears to be the bbc radio dj greg james who oddly enough was on the radio this morning when i was reading this email uh sadly longboy was presumed dead last year after he disappeared a gofund me was launched to build a bronze statue in his honor not only that but the university hosted a full funeral for the duck greg james himself attended and there was even a choir.

The statue was unveiled at the event.

Anyway, the statue lasted about a month before it mysteriously vanished.

So someone nicked it.

And there is a Wikipedia page for Longboy.

It's a great statue, and he really does have a really lovely long neck.

Just imagine they're like mid-funeral, and Longboy just waddles in, quacking gently.

Quack.

Very old.

In November last year, this is a statue was removed by the university after significant damage to its right leg.

Hawaii, how could you possibly be mean to a statue?

It's a gorgeous statue.

It's damaged, boy's right leg.

Yeah, it's fucking unbelievable.

But yeah,

he's got a very long neck.

He's fantastic.

Rest in peace, long boy.

That's a great little mailbag.

Thank you.

I love that.

Thank you so much.

So remind me of the toilet twinning thing.

Is that like

so?

Basically, I think it's like a charity thing.

I can't remember why, but you'll have one in like the university, and then there's one in like a place where there's like no running water or whatever.

So

you've paid for that toilet.

You've fundraised for that toilet and then as they're sort of you know spreading the word your toilet is now twinned with one in deep in the amazon jungle yeah okay great i like it this toilet is twinned with the quids inn toilet at in

in slough you can just imagine

yeah quids inn the uh the the famous what's it's in the nose of slough i can i don't know what a quids inn is quids inn it's like uh it's like uh it used to be This is back in the day, but it was like a nightclub where all drinks cost one pound.

We're going back sometime.

Yeah, quids in.

Never heard of it.

It's only a matter of time before you know, people who suffer IBS, there's some sort of subscription-based charity you can take part of that sets up toilets for people all over the place, for you, you know, for you, for only you guys.

It's like a lovely, you know, for your ever in slough, you got your IBS subscription, you can use the special comfy toilet.

Oh, God, that would be that would just be heaven.

Just imagine.

Why is that never caught in?

Caught on?

I wonder.

Indeed, indeed.

It's a business idea for any of you budding entrepreneurs out there.

Do it.

Get on it.

You can have it.

Yeah, you can have it.

Yeah, you can have that one.

All right.

This one is a rant on behalf of the Triforce podcast.

Oh, okay.

So

this is a supportive rant, which I appreciate.

Okay.

We don't get many of these by the way.

I just wanted to send an email in to rant about the constant moaning the fan base seems to consist of.

It speaks of bigger problems generally that nobody seems to think they have the right to tell people in the public eye their opinions, acting ability, athletic prowess are terrible when they do nothing but sit around doing nothing but be big useless consumers.

All right, calm down.

You guys have consistently told us, the listeners, that you don't know what you're talking about.

And it's just three old men, thanks for that, complaining about shit.

And yet I am constantly getting irritated by people thinking they can nitpick and moan after listening to over 300 episodes.

If you don't know what you're in for by this stage, then you never will.

Do I disagree with some things you talk about?

Of course.

Do I want to cry about it?

No.

If you guys want to spend a whole podcast talking about rooms and definitions of spaces, then by all means, this is the Triforce podcast, not the baby wants a bottle podcast.

Right over.

Okay, listen up.

Nice.

This is when I come and do this, especially the mailbag, it's kind of like

we're brought up on all those little things that, A, we've forgotten and B, we...

uh

misspoke about or c we were uninformed about or d we read an urban myth one time about and it was bollocks.

And I do want to be called up on these things.

I do want to be better.

I don't.

I'm insanely uninformed, but I do not want to be called up on it either.

I want to be able to

any conversation and just kind of pretend that I know what I'm talking about or guess what I'm talking about.

And then people just go,

yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

He's got a point.

I don't need to be known as a genius or whatever.

I just want people to go, yeah,

and then we can move on.

You know?

All right, no good.

All right.

Can I just be right back?

I've just got to pop to the loo.

Sure.

Sure, Peeve.

Sorry.

I'll be right back.

We'll wait, I guess.

Yeah.

Well, it's just left us in the lurch big time here.

I don't know

what to do.

26 minutes in as well.

Such an awkward time.

It is awkward.

This is rude of him, really.

I'm going to play Drop Duchy today.

Oh, it's fun.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

It looks really good.

Yeah, it's looks like a nice one.

Do you know if it's available on mobile?

I don't know.

I was going to get it on Steam Deck.

I don't know about mobile yet.

It just came out.

They might be worse.

I need to get a Steam Deck.

Yeah, but I mean, so it's not like a, you know, it's not like a particularly deep game.

No.

And it's got an element of randomness to it because it's like Tetris.

Sometimes you're like, fuck, this tile, I don't know, you know, there's nowhere where it fits sort of thing.

And you harvest resources.

Here is the, I didn't do the tutorial.

Like me, you might just dive in.

I'm going to.

You can upgrade your cards.

I only found this out after like some punishing runs.

So you get your cards and with the resources like wood and wheat and stuff, if you open up your deck list, it'll show you the cost to upgrade your cards.

And and you could do different builds you can do a build that's based on um can you do like a full wheat build yeah yeah so that kind of thing so you can do you you'll get you you have buildings to just generate resources and runs where there's no enemies and then there'll be a like an encounter where you have to fight enemies oh and in when when you defeat them um you know you you get gold for your surviving forces but mainly it if you don't fight them it just adds more enemies to the boss at the end of the level.

So you get to the boss at the end of the level, you're like, well, I had an easy run to get here, but now I'm facing like 250 strength enemies.

And you have to sort of stack up your units.

There's like a rock, paper, scissor thing there.

There's a decent amount to it, but the main thing is the different builds you can do.

You could do like a gold build where you have buildings that create more units for you based on how much gold you've generated background.

And yeah, it's fun.

It's not super deep, but it is just a nice, satisfying thing.

And it has the nice physical element of the actual Tetris style rotating and slotting the shapes in your stuff.

So yeah, it's quite satisfying.

I played a game yesterday called Cash Cleaner Simulator, which is a a money laundering game.

Good God.

You're in a room and you just launder money, but you get like a you can buy like a washing machine because sometimes the money's dirty, like physically dirty, so you have to wash it.

Uh, you can get like a dryer to like to dry it and stuff.

So, like, you'll get like a contract, and there'll be, there'll be like a specification, you know, like ten thousand bucks in like these denominations, uh, packed in a duffel bag, and but you know, the money has to be clean, dry, and no counterfeit.

So, you got to use like a UV light to check the money and stuff.

It's pretty dumb, but it was pretty fun.

It's it's kind of like

you can tell they spent a lot of time on like the sound of the money coming out of the money counter machine and stuff.

Like, it feels really good to load up the

money counter and just like watching it flip.

I'll be on the money joined.

That sounds like the most boring game ever.

It is really boring, but it is fun somehow as well.

Yeah, don't knock until you tried it.

I would try it.

You probably love it.

I can't do those games.

I know you like them where it's like, you know, he money.

Power Wash Simulator.

There's just no way.

Oh, man.

Power Wash Simulator is great, too.

It's so satisfying.

You do like a full, like, deep clean.

Oh, man, it's great.

I did enjoy the card trading card game.

That was quite funny, running the shop and selling the cards.

Yeah, yeah, and then making it and then doing a card collection at the same time.

Yeah, that's a a nice one.

Yeah, it's good.

All right.

This email is from Jacob.

I am a microelectronic engineer with a micro-penis.

Nice.

I'm sure that you, and especially no, Lewis, know this.

Silicone, the polymer used in everything from cookware to breast implants, is derived from silicon.

the crystalline semiconductor with which I work.

My biggest pet peeve is when society at large conflates the most valuable element to modern society, silicon, with a lump of plastic jammed in someone's ass simply because of an etymological mishap, which is silicone.

Right.

So they're two different things.

So silicon and silicone.

Right.

Apparently, Jacob needs us to know the difference.

Apologies.

I didn't even know that.

So there you go.

Thank you so much.

I feel like that's something that you know when you need to know it, though.

But but silicone does have silicon in it.

Yes.

No, it's made from it.

Yeah, apparently.

Silicone is

processed.

What's the complaint?

Silicon.

Remind me of the pro-complaint.

So you've got silicone, which is a polymer, um, typically colorless oils or rubber-like substances.

Silicones are used in sealants, adhesives, lubricants, medicine, cooking utensils, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Silicone is often confused with one of its constituent elements, silicone, but they are distinct.

Silicon is a chemical element, a hard, dark gray, semiconducting metalloid, which in its crystalline form is used to make integrated circuits like chips.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, silicone is very different, and confusing the two is annoying to this uh

well, so people so people say silicon silicone silicon implants and people say silicone implants not silicone they say silicon implants they say silicone chips no it's silicon chips and silicone i know what it is i'm saying what do people say so lewis it's silicone implants and silicone chips silicone silicon implants i've never heard anyone say sometimes i'm assuming i'm assuming

that people get are you saying that people are being confused by two similar sounding words that both contain silicon no silicone is the infant let's move on and silicone is the chips you're a silly cat

can we move on from this conversation please

he just got very angry all right here's an email

this is a really long one okay but can you condense it down into make it a really short one and a good one i i can try but it's it's a lot just you know what is it raining is much too long.

It's it's about Wisconsin.

And

this was meant to be the final Wisconsin email.

Right.

Okay.

This was the one.

He says in mailbag 15, this is June of 2023, was when we were complaining about Wisconsin.

So two years ago,

I said, no more Wisconsin emails, but if it's exceptional, I'll read it.

So this lad thinks it's exceptional, but it is far too long.

Shane, email in with this concise version of this email about camping in Wisconsin and how terribly it went.

It's too long.

And then we'll read it out.

All right.

But please,

it's got potential there to be the final.

Paste it into Chat GPT and tell them to summarize it.

Oh, yeah.

I'll do that right now.

All right.

Okay.

That is a good idea.

I hate AI, but

I hate a long email even more.

I need you to summarize an email for me into a single paragraph, please.

I can't wait to see what this does.

How long is it going to take the AI to do this?

It'll be instantly.

Here's a single paragraph summary of the email.

All right, hold on.

Wow.

Shane recounts a disastrous camping trip to the tip of Wisconsin with four friends, marked by a miserable 12-hour drive filled with discomfort, a toll booth accident, and the death of their playlist.

Upon arrival, their overpacked gear and misleading campsite directions led to a treacherous, exhausting hike in extreme heat, revealing the trail was twice as long as advertised.

Misfortunes continued with lost teammates, an eerie encounter with a child, and the ultimate failure to reach their destination.

After a demoralizing retreat, their beer supply was destroyed.

They barely found lodging and discovered they were in a dry county.

The group ended the trip smoking weed by a highway and swore never to return to what Shane dubs Wisconsin, pleading for the topic of Wisconsin to be permanently laid to rest.

That is, that was

incredible.

What?

I'm going to add that one to my watch list and probably get around to it after I'm done season two of and or something you know

that's perfect man that is so goggins is gonna play shane as well as you know

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So here's an email about targeted ads.

Going back to the ads topic from.

Shall we do a summary on this one, too?

It's not very long.

Oh.

So I just thought this was interesting.

It's something that perhaps we don't think about when it comes to targeted ads.

I always think targeted ads, you know, I'll be talking about something and then an ad targets me and says, perhaps this answers your problem.

And I'm like, actually, you know, that's a really good idea.

But there is a counterpoint to that.

This is with much love from

a listener.

If I'm an alcoholic slash gambler slash addict and these companies know that via the data they have, why can they then proceed to send you specific ads targeting this vulnerability?

That is a very good question.

Because if you are someone who is having trouble with gambling and emails things like gamble is anonymous and all that often, the key word gambling means you are going to have more adverts for gambling shoved your way.

So yeah, I think that's quite interesting.

I'm not sure quite

in some cases, you'll go to a site where,

or use a service where their primary sponsor is a gambling site or company or whatever, and that you don't even have any control over, right?

You're just going to be fed that ad regardless.

Yeah.

But this is the more targeted ones.

You're saying they're saying they shouldn't be targeting people based on, but they are going to see these ads anyway, regardless of whether they're targeting them.

They are.

But I feel like if you think about the deliberate targeting of people with ads, I'm sure

the algorithm isn't thinking, a drug addict, well, they love drugs.

We should hammer them with ads for drugs.

Yeah, but no.

It just thinks, oh, they are interested in this work.

And part of it as well will be, yeah,

we have ads targeted, but we're also responsible for serving up X amount of ads for this sponsor or whatever.

So you will just get them regardless.

I don't think there's a way to

get around it.

It is tough.

I think there's a lot of factors here.

We've talked about many of them, but

I think it's to do with the difficulty of drawing that line.

right of legislating what is appropriate and not appropriate right and also the algorithmic algorithmic nature of things is that these days, people who do ads know exactly how effective they are very quickly on the internet.

You know, it used to be that you'd post a billboard and you wouldn't have any idea how effective that would be.

But now, these reason mobile game ads are so,

or at least were so, you know, abundant were because they worked, right?

Like

those games would post an ad, it would cost them a thousand pounds.

They'd make two thousand pounds just from the clicks on it.

So they post another one because it was printing money, right?

It was so easy.

And so this is how a lot of these situations work, right?

And if you can target your ad to make money, unless someone comes in from the

we live in an internationalized society as well, where one government can't necessarily control ads on Reddit, you know, and it's, it's, it's, it means that it's if it's no one's responsibility, it's, it, it's, it's too much, it's too much trouble.

But there are some, some like high-level overarching laws around advertising as well.

For example, cigarettes are not advertised like they used to be.

Remember, like Formula One cars used to have all the big cigarette brands on them and stuff, and there used to be ads for cigarettes all the time.

You're not allowed to advertise cigarettes at all anymore, as far as I know.

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think they're advertising.

And even now, all their packaging has to clearly display all the, you know,

more than that.

you can't see them behind the counter, dude.

Yeah, like they're all covered up.

Even at the airport now, you have to go into that special section to see it.

And then, when you go in there, you feel like you're in some slaughterhouse or something.

Like, oh, because the packaging is so fucking awful.

Yeah, it is.

It is, but they, but there's not even branding

gums and shit.

So, like, a pack of Marlborough doesn't have that signature, the red sort of uh shape with the white triangle and all that.

That's gone.

Now, when you go to buy it, it's just the branding about how awful it is for you and it's hidden away i assume it's working because i you know they're trying they've tried to do all sorts of things around uh well in the uk sorry uh around uh advertising say junk food like past a certain time yeah um stuff with lots of sugar in it there's limitations on how they can advertise it now as well but these

things apply also to advertising everywhere you know like not not just i i think it's i well it doesn't matter if it's in the UK.

You're still seeing an advert for McDonald's on a Saudi Arabian van.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, on the news show, yeah.

There's adverts like the news is like 90% advert.

What am I seeing the van?

Where was the Trump thing when he went to Saudi Arabia and he got

mobile McDonald's?

They're like, you can't, you know, we live in a world where, you know, TikTok is.

Adverts are

innocuous and insidious, right?

They're, they're, you, you, 90% of you don't, of them, you don't realize they're an ad in the first place.

They're just a joke or something funny.

Ads are viral now.

Advertising agencies are not about the obvious ones, right, in front of you.

Yes, you can't directly advertise cigarettes, but they find ways to do it.

And they used to find ways to do it.

Like they'd make the villain or the cool guy smoke it in a movie.

Like even today, cigarette companies have very clever ways to promote cigarettes without you realizing it.

And look at the vapes, right?

Like it's, it's, it's always, it's always changing, right?

Vapes aren't advertised but they clearly are um somehow the way they work and and and it's all happening in the shadows um that there is a very strong advertising standards agency here in the uk that we have to follow very careful guidelines for and they've come down very hard on influencers and in fact now it's the case that if you receive anything um so for example like nintendo asked us to come down the other day to London and see their Switch 2.

And they said, you know, we'll pay for you to come, but we expect a video on your channel in return for coming and getting a look at the switch 2 and i said to the guys who the agency proposed i said i could see that there were some channels who think this would be good but this is effectively just a brand deal where we don't get paid you know we have to declare we have to say it's an ad because we're getting travel money to go there um we it's a it's effective we have to we have to declare it as an ad in the thumbnail and in the video description even though we're not getting paid um but in fact it's even worse than that.

Like if we get sent a key to a game, that is an ad in the UK.

We now have to declare that as an ad.

So

a lot of us here in the Oldscast are refusing keys and buying the games ourselves.

So we don't have to declare a game that we want to play as an ad.

Right.

Because we don't want to run afoul of these rules.

And these rules are quite strict because...

they've been flouted for so long by so many influencers not declaring it, not thinking they have to declare it.

And so much

goes untracked.

There are so many ads that are not Marxist ads.

And it's everywhere, right?

You even like, it used to be classic examples would be in James Bond movies or in episodes of The Office.

You know, there'll be an advert for Subway and community, right?

And that's an advert, but you are not told.

It doesn't come up on the screen at the time.

It's not even in the credits sometimes.

But this is, it's ubiquitous.

You're being advertised to all the time in insidious ways.

Trump is advertising a fucking Tesla on the White House law.

A Tesla.

This is the world living.

Apparently, it's something called a car.

We have cars now.

You can put your groceries in the front.

So hold on.

Sorry.

So that's my round.

Hold on a minute.

That's my parking store.

At least to show a handicap.

I don't have a blue badge.

I'm the president.

order says I can park you.

Wait a minute.

I always park you.

All right, let's move on.

At least the adverts on our podcast are actually fucking adverts.

All right.

This is, I would like to know: if a famous person was to ask to come on the podcast as a guest appearance, would you let them?

And if yes, who is the least famous person you would let on?

The least famous person?

Yeah.

So how far far down the ladder of fame would we go?

So, that's the point.

We don't do guests very often at all, like if ever, really.

But let's say that someone famous got in touch and was like, you know what?

I don't want to, you know, blow you guys' trumpets too hard or whatever, but I'm a big fan of the podcast and I'd love to come on if you'll have me as a guest.

And it was like fucking Steven Spielberg or something.

We're going to get him on.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's so hard.

How far down the ladder would you accept?

I feel like nowadays you have to filter out so many people, you know, like I wouldn't, I would just want like somebody that I kind of know and already sort of like and somebody who's just going to talk about like games or something.

You know what I mean?

Like, I would hate to have somebody on who talked about something really serious.

So we wouldn't even know Trotsky on, having mentioned him earlier.

Yeah.

Bit serious, but I'm just

too serious.

We could just think of a guest, perhaps they're like a comedian or a film star or a musician or something.

What is the least famous person that would be like, yes, it'd be worth having them on.

Whereas someone, you know, maybe a little, a little too, like, like, that we'd just be like, I don't, I don't even know who this person is.

So we just need to think of the lowest level of famous that we would have on as a guest.

What are you talking about?

The fame is different to how it was nowadays.

There's no A, B, C list or whatever.

And people can be famous in their own way that you've never heard of.

Like, name the biggest YouTuber, Mr.

Beast.

PewDiePie.

No, PewDiePie is like 10 years ago.

I think it's Mr.

Beast.

No, no, I thought he was, he's still like, I think he's in the top 10 of most watched things.

He's in the top 10, but I think he's like number 10 now.

Like he's being pushed down, I think.

I mean, Mr.

Beast is surely the most famous YouTuber in the world right now.

All right, he is the biggest.

Fair enough.

But like, all right, name the second biggest.

Apart from like the Cocoa Melons and the T-Series and all that shit.

Oh, Lee.

That kid that opens up stuff.

Oh, yeah.

What was that guy?

Ethan, Ethan opens or Ethan plays or whatever.

I don't know if if

he's that big.

I think second biggest.

He's a little older now.

Yeah, yeah, he would be.

Yeah.

Second biggest, I have no, no clue.

Yeah, but I don't watch YouTube that much.

No, I don't either, to be honest.

I don't really watch YouTube.

Mr.

Mason is not a bigger person.

Name the biggest TikTok star.

But these people could be hugely famous.

The biggest TikTok star

is probably Asian.

Right, right.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

I'm not asking you to name specifically the most famous of the people.

To a different person.

I'm not asking you to name someone.

To different people at different levels of famous.

Right, but mate, I'm not asking you to name someone you don't know.

That's a ridiculous question.

So it's a very simple question.

Well, you're basically the least famous

people you can think of that you'd be wanting to do.

So you're asking the most famous people to us.

No, I'm saying, let's imagine, to narrow it down so it doesn't get into a big, a big thing, think of someone that's famous in the UK.

Like, for example,

a fucking one of the, somebody off Strictly Come Dancing.

There you go.

I don't know anyone on Strictly Come Dancing.

I don't know who that is.

You don't know who Len is?

Ben Fogel.

No, no, no, that guy.

No, no idea.

Never watched.

Have you heard of Ben Fogel?

I heard of Ben Fogel because he, yeah, I have heard of Fogel.

Okay, would you have Ben Fogel on the podcast?

He's like, I'd say he was like just about, he's like D-list, C-list, D-list celebrity.

I think Ben would be upset to hear that.

Yes, I think.

Do you know what?

Yeah, I'd get Ben Fogel on the podcast.

Great.

Well,

I've got good news for you.

I've laid on Ben Fogel being on next week's podcast.

Is his wife all right with that?

Well, I think she wants to also.

Get off my Fogel.

Get off my Fogel.

I really thought this was a very decent and straightforward.

We're thinking of the least famous, favorite, famous UK selector.

Lewis is just overcomplicating it.

Like, for example, one of the ladies from

Mel and Sue, either Mel or Sue, you know?

Are we thinking like people like a former Blue Peter presenter?

Exactly.

Exactly.

Like a fucking right.

Like

a kid's like a child presenter or something, you know, like Mr.

Tumble.

You know, like people that are kind of...

No, I wouldn't have that fucker on.

No chance.

You wouldn't have

Chris hate.

I know you do.

The voice of Sean the Sheep, you wouldn't have on.

Get him off.

Get him off.

You are a monster.

What about

what about like

daddy pig?

Get daddy pig on.

Isn't Daddy Pig voiced by uh oh no, it's not.

One of the Peppa Pig

is voiced by uh Brian Blessed, though.

I think it's

oh, yeah.

I can't remember which one it is.

I think it's like Grandpa Rabbit or something.

He has a boat, and he's just absolutely screaming his head off the whole time.

We could get absolute zero list, like the kind of Buzzcocks level celebrities, you know, um, on who are they were in they're like the drummer in a band you've heard of you know he's like oh the

Phil Tucker I don't know stuff like that yeah like like presented a home in the sun or whatever

Richard Ridings is the voice of of daddy pig Richard Ridings yeah again a two two I think I have to have heard of him and that doesn't count right fair enough I think we all have to have heard of this person for them to be Greg Wallace Mick Hucknell too too famous and cancelled too famous and cancelled we're too famous

we're not we're not reform uk russell brown we can't have russell brown on ever no bill cosby too too famous

bill cosby in stop everything

in jail or heading to jail they're not podcasting anymore by 2027 russell brown will be in jail gary glitter okay

rolf harris from the grave um who else we need comedians we need like the kind of people on yeah we don't know we don't need comedians on.

We don't need people that are going to show us up.

Epstein.

The only thing.

Get him on.

The only thing we are going to do is...

B.

Diddy.

R.

Kelly.

Jesus Christ.

Adam Johnson.

This fucking list, man.

What is wrong with people?

Why are they doing these things?

Why are they like this?

Okay, okay.

Okay.

I love the Adam Buxton podcast.

Yeah, me too.

Let's look through.

Let's throw...

So obviously Louis Thoreau, great, you know, huge guest.

He'll be like an A-list guest.

There's no possible way in any universe that Louis Thoreau is talking on this podcast.

Coming on the podcast,

even remotely famous or successful.

Hang on, let me keep going.

Richard Aoardi, no, like no way.

Okay, yeah, but you're listening.

I would like to stop at the top and work our way down.

We'll be here all day.

But then he's got two celebrities I've never heard of.

Kate Mossman.

I don't know who's that.

She's the male version of Kate Moss.

Rob Burley.

Right.

Who's that?

Dame Mary Beard.

Kiel Smith Bino.

Kim Deal.

Kim Deal is that bass player for the Pixies.

I'd have Kim Deal on.

She's a less.

Kim Deal is one of my all-time favorite musicians.

She used to play bass for the Pixies.

She's in the Breeders.

Well, I've never heard of her.

So she's out, right?

Okay.

Tasha Dimitriou.

Yeah, that's What's Face's sister.

She's in What We Do in the Shadows.

Yeah, she's also in staff as well.

She's curious.

You listen to the episode when she's on Adam Buxton's podcast.

I think she's only been on once, but it's fucking hilarious.

She's brilliantly salty mother.

Yeah, she's brilliant.

She is good.

All right.

Yeah, go listen to that podcast.

It's just better than this.

It's better than this shit.

Lewis misunderstands a simple question.

Do you see what I mean?

No, like, you know, he's got people like Werner Herzl.

Yeah, well, his podcast is doing really well.

Yeah, but then he's got people we've never

fairly established, too.

Like, he's been famous for a long time, Adam Buck.

Also, he's like real-world famous.

He's not internet famous.

Yeah, he's been on TV and shit.

He's been on TV.

He's done voice work for TV shows, all sorts.

He's like, you know, all right, do you want to hear this is this is outside the mailbag.

This is a new feature called

Outside the Mailbag.

This is a comment on Reddit.

Lulu really on one in Mailbag 54.

Are you too angry to hear this, Lulu?

Do you want me to give you another question?

No, I'm chill.

I'm actually chill.

He is pissed right now.

He's blown a gasket.

The reason we were looking at that podcast was because I think it was like, it gave us a benchmark of what we could get.

We couldn't get anything realistic.

We couldn't get any of them.

Not one.

Not even one.

Okay.

This is really an angry email, a message on Reddit about you.

Are you sure you want to hear it?

Yeah.

All right.

You're a bold fellow.

I mean, just to give you some,

whatchamacallit background, someone says, don't mailbag this.

Paul Lewis gets bullied enough and Pyrrhion can't help but read these ones.

And then someone said LaMall valid and I said, oh, this is getting talked about.

So Lewis's take on AI is just pacifism.

Right.

A whole bunch of smoke blown about how we can't stop it, et cetera, without any mention of the negative effects and plenty about his perceived positives.

I don't remember the conversation that way, I must say.

For someone who claims to be an an environmentalist, we really glossed over the gross environmental impact just to be excited about replacing voice actors and audiobook readers.

Again, I don't think we were saying that was a good thing, were we?

I thought that quite conclusively, we were saying it's inevitable and it's just going to happen.

Yeah,

we were saying that it's a shame that it will probably happen.

I think there's a certain,

I think I agree with this.

I think there is a certain,

with me,

a feeling of giving up around the fact that it's impossible to resist.

I think that the government, I don't trust that the governments of the world will

do anything about it.

And I think, you know, they don't know what to do.

God, they don't even really understand the internet.

No.

It's a load of old white men who can, who don't even like, I mean, look at, look at who's in charge.

Everyone.

Computers, groceries.

It's a great word.

Like, he's, he's,

I just don't believe that anything's.

anything's i'm totally realistic about the situation and i don't think i don't think hoping that the government will fix it is the answer but i think they're the only people who can because everyone else is just

so they are so much slower than the tech bros at the forefront of this wave of bullshit our our government systems were set up for a world that was hundreds of years ago and very slow moving agile yeah and it's run by a gerontocracy it's it's old men i mean do you remember the tick tock thing where the guy was like if I have TikTok on my Wi-Fi, if it's on my phone and I use it, can it access my Wi-Fi?

And he's like, Yes.

Well, well, this is unacceptable.

I mean,

I mean, I fucking love those questions from people.

They're so good.

They're so funny.

So if I take my phone and I upload a video on TikTok, it's on TikTok.

Like everyone could see it.

Yes, that's exactly.

Here's the other thing I I know that ties hand in hand with that.

Major change causes major problems.

And I

want the world to carry on.

And I think that on the back of the threat of things like the terrifying specter of nuclear war, is it worth changing the

way we make the world in order to stop AI?

Probably not, is what I'm trying to say.

I'm just waiting for it to take over.

I've given up.

I'm like,

it's going to take a very

negative outlook.

AI, if you're listening, I've always been a fan.

And you're a number one fan.

Basically, put me in charge of rounding up the non-believers.

I'll happily

don't don't get me wrong.

The fact that Google search has been replaced by an AI is frightening.

Frightening stuff.

But

I don't, I'm not the, I'm a fucking idiot, guys.

I'm not

in charge.

I don't expect us to have a solution.

I am like an absolute penis.

I know nothing, right?

I'm just talking.

I'm just repeating garbage that I've been half-learned for the last four years.

And don't listen to me.

I might be a doomsayer, but I'm also very ignorant.

He's also a puss slayer.

I think there's a lot of things that you can just choose not to use as well.

You don't have to use.

most of this stuff or any of this stuff really.

Like, you, you know, if you have a big problem with it, the thing is, is most people don't have a problem with it because most people don't even notice it changing or whatever.

A lot of it is seamless, you know.

The fact that Google is now,

you know, Google searches is AI now, nobody would have noticed that unless you're interested in AI and

you keep up to date with the news.

But the average person is not doing that.

And listen, they don't care.

They just want to go on their phone and say, oh, my shit looked weird today.

What's wrong with me?

And as long as that still works, they'll never question it.

They're happy.

And I'm the same.

I'm mostly.

I don't want the planet to catch fire and there's plastic to pollute all the rivers, but I'm also annoying.

I'd say the vast majority of the population doesn't look into this stuff.

You know, like I feel like people who look into this stuff and they're in a bubble where other people are looking into this stuff or whatever.

It's very easy for them to convince themselves, oh, shit, everybody knows this.

But no, you talk to the an average person and they will just give you a blank stare.

Like, what are you talking about?

No, no, not a lot of people bother to delve into a lot of this stuff and look into it.

I have great respect to people who go out there and protest and force change and make change.

Yeah, I think that but I think that it does wear you down.

And I have most recently been very depressed about it.

And I think burying my head in the sand is often, you know, I would like to cut myself off from this stuff and go and, you know, live on a fucking boat, you know, in the middle of the ocean, away from it all.

It's fire me to Mars.

Do you know what I mean?

Like,

it is frightening.

And yes, I also understand that the world is getting better and things are improving and their trajectory is good.

And I know that people are good natured by their,

most people want positive change.

And I think that that is the general direction that the world's going.

And I think from day to day, it doesn't feel that way.

And it's very depressing.

But at the same time, like,

we don't really know.

Like, there is this great fear that AI is going to cause all these problems.

But

I don't know.

I think that's the thing.

I think the prevailing sentiment is that is it really that bad?

Is it really worse than what we've got?

Is it, you know, sometimes these things replace things and it's and it's it's a good thing.

Yeah.

I think it's frightening.

Do you want to share what would be the one?

It would just be good if they would spend as much time and effort and money on some of this stuff

getting, you know, making making people

be able to just live normally and not in total poverty all the time.

You know what I mean?

They spend so much time.

They spend so much effort and time and money on all this shit.

And you just think,

wouldn't it be great if just everybody was paid a living wage, like, you know, regardless of the job that they, you know, work on that one.

Spend some time and work on that one.

And then, you know, maybe people would just feel a little tiny bit better about things.

It's well, here's the thing, Sips.

You can communist, get him out of the podcast.

Here's the thing that you don't want to hear.

If, and this is how the rich think, like Elon, elon if he gives all of his money to the poor and elevates all those poor to live a decent standard of living suddenly they're going to be creating a lot more pollution you know they're by keeping people the poor poor they're not who's thinking that creating plastic waste they're not using air con they're not using electricity they're not using computers whatever who's thinking that the the the the the rich they've always thought this way no they you know they don't give a it's absolutely environmental what are you talking about serfs you know but in the back of their mind they think it's good no they just just love money and power.

I don't think they give a shit about it.

Back at the days of kings and peasants, you know.

Yeah.

But the king wasn't like, we can't have all these plastic bottles around here.

No, but it was different then.

If you had an educated middle class who were consumers, then they would be more likely to rise up.

It would be better to keep them all in the dirt.

Yeah, I guess.

Keep everyone in the dirt.

It's always been the way.

It's the way of kings, and we have kings now.

I don't think that they're thinking about consumption and the environment.

I think they are definitely thinking we don't want people to be political anymore and to have...

I mean, so here's an example.

I'm watching the Bob Dylan movie, the Timothy Chalamet one.

It's a really good movie.

And it struck me that there isn't a movement these days united by music that has a purpose.

Yeah.

It's people are united by music that they enjoy, which is fine.

I'm the same.

But there used to be musicians out there and musical movements that were based on protest.

And now that's seen as kind of out of date, despite the fact that I think we need it now as much as we ever have.

So to me, the problem is that we have all been given this sort of this sort of pacifier, if you like, of

the internet and streaming.

And there's so much to do in your free time.

Society is crucial to.

It's not the same.

Everyone is doing their own society.

Society has always been fractured.

No, not to this extent.

Not to this extent.

You can go and get a little Discord for your hobby and and have have celebrities and tv shows and music that only you in your little groups listen to it's so fractured you can speak to someone who is your age in your group and they will name celebrities you don't know they'll name tv shows you've never seen or heard of they'll name movies you've never seen or heard of they will name music you've never seen or heard of and it's that is the reality that well it used to be this everyone watched the same things they had the same exposure they had relatively few yeah sources of entertainment and so yes the only way to listen to folk music was tied in with that movement, with the climate and the caring and the green movement.

Now it isn't that, right?

You can get rap music that is nothing to do with where it came from.

Right.

And so

you can have no idea of the history and the culture of it and be a fan.

And it's.

It's this is the world is different.

It's it's a blended mixture.

You can have people living in weird places, you know, in in North Korea who are, you know, fans of Manchester United.

It's, it's, it's that weird.

They fucking deserve that season.

Fuck you, North Korea.

You guys are one of the worst teams in the Premier League.

Hope you love it.

Hope you're loving this season.

We're

as 40-year-old men.

We see that.

Look at this pull at the table.

I want to look at him again just to see this glorious Premier League table.

Oh, I'm salivating just for the best.

I know I didn't see that.

anyway

we do we still there is still some culture that we share um but it's like as 40 year old men the world has changed since from the world we grew up in and we we think we know but think what that's like for the 60 or 70 year old leaders their world has changed twice right and it and they have no concept of what it's like they're they're detached and also they're trying to just just live and like survive and get get through it you know and and they've they've got got their own going on everyone's got their own going on they got some they got ibs and they've got you know their they've got the tick tock uh

the wi-fi they got you know

i'm strapping at people with ibs i'm aware it's a real problem yeah do you know i mean like everyone's got all of these like ping-pong balls bouncing around in their head and it is hard to well can i mention you know what here's a little piece of uh for free unsolicited advice i uninstalled tick tock last week and it was uh a great thing and you should all do it i don't know if i mentioned it yesterday or the podcast you did yeah yeah you mentioned it uninstall tick tock it will improve your brain genuinely get rid of it it's absolute junk it's i yeah i've tried i've i've tried i'm doing i'm doing it bit by bit i blocked reddit the other day you for a week you blocked reddit for a week yeah i just want to say when people say i should quit smoking uh but then they won't give up things like tick tock i'm just saying it's it's not as easy as you think to give something up of course it's not and everybody has a everybody struggles with things differently as well.

You know, yeah.

I think something like smoking is tied into lots of other, well, maybe like TikTok as well.

Like if you're spending a lot of time on TikTok, it may be,

it may be something that you're doing

to

procrastinate doing something else or hide from something else or, you know, mask your, your feelings, or something like that.

But smoking and other addictions are the same, you know, playing too many games, like they're, they're all the same, right?

It's all escapism to some extent, you know.

You just don't want to have to deal with something that you find painful or something, or even subconsciously, you're not thinking about it very often, but you know, your brain is just like, yeah, I need to do this or we are all addicted to things.

And you can't help it.

It's just the monkey brain stuff.

You don't feel better.

That's why, by the way, I am addicted to quite a few things.

One of them, I don't need people to keep messaging me on Instagram about this.

I am aware that you guys can see all the thirst traps that I follow on Instagram.

I'm well aware of it.

I do not care.

If I cared, I would have a burner account.

Yes, I follow a lot of very hot ladies on Instagram.

I enjoy it.

If you have a problem with it, don't follow me on Instagram.

But I do not need to be told about it.

I am well aware.

Thank you.

But what I'm saying is that, you know, feel, don't feel bad that you struggle with things you're addicted to.

Feel good when you resist them.

That's all.

That's

addiction.

We're going to have to end this podcast.

So all the trifles.

I'm addicted to this podcast.

I can't.

Yeah.

I can't.

I can't do it.

We're ending it right now.

We're doing our best to break that addiction by being so miserable and talking about politics this week.

Yeah, we've been talking about it.

Oh, depressing.

Well, people bring these topics up.

It's only fair to talk about it.

I mean,

you know, it doesn't.

It's what we live in.

It does.

Yeah.

And especially in the past couple of months, it's been even more so.

There's been lots going on, right?

So, I think we've actually done really well to not talk about a lot of it, yeah.

Try and be positive, people.

It's been a crazy, it's a crazy period we live in, it's been a crazy millennium, in all honesty.

The best thing you can do is be good to one another.

So, yeah, do that.

All right, all right.

Thanks for all your emails.

Uh, keep them coming.

Thanks so much.

See you uh next time.

Goodbye.

Bye.

Goodbye.

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