An Actual Podcast Episode | Triforce #322

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the Triforce podcast.

I got a little cheeky surprise this week when Pyrrhion visited Bristol.

I wasn't expecting to see him.

That is cheeky.

Impromptuous.

His big, lovely face came around the corner and i kissed it and i was like oh my mum how were you not expecting it you know why i was there i don't get tough things

we we you were here to film a little uh little cosplay challenge yeah for the uh for the uh

who cares if we uh if we spoil it a little bit

it's just you know a bit

less i bet she's upset

i always talk about what people i've noticed um because we we talked about some of the other stuff we've done on the podcast.

And people were like, oh, so this is the thing Lewis talks about.

But actually, this is going out during Camp Yog, which is pretty, coming up pretty soon.

So it's real, real fun, actually, to, I always forget how much fun doing real-life live-action events are, where if one mills around and, you know, is silly and we get a little...

I don't know, a couple of props, a couple of costumes.

I don't know.

We're so used to doing stuff in games, right?

It just feels...

remember we did that one in that wine cellar the eastenders thing yes the brexit bunker comped yeah we had to make that yeah that was good we did compt with eastenders and oh what the other thing that was so long ago we used that same bunker for tom and ben's um the warhammer thing where they rented it out and just it made it look like a pub oh yeah god that was amazing it's like a little it's a little wine cellar um yeah and they did like a warhammer thing i i i love these things and i think all i notice sometimes when people say Oh, I'm a big Yoggs fan.

How do I introduce the Yogs to my partner?

And they're always like, Watch these live-action videos.

I've always sort of felt they have a very do you feel like those are the gateways into hours and hours of gameplay footage?

It's more familiar to people, right?

As well, because this is the kind of stuff you'd see on BBC and Dave.

And, you know, with like, with stuff like Taskmaster, it's such a great format for messing around and having fun and causing these silly, funny moments.

And you can tell with things like, I don't know if you've ever seen Taskmaster, but obviously everyone here is a huge fan of it.

You can tell that it's not too heavily scripted or anything.

They almost like a framework to do the same.

There's a lot of improvisation in,

for example, like if it was more planned out, you'd end up with everyone doing something different all the time.

Whereas in fact, sometimes they have a task and four of the people do the exactly the same thing, even though they're all weird, different comedian people who think differently.

they overlap on their ideas.

And we've got a little bit of that too.

Like, I think in our latest one that we did, the hide the body one, period.

Oh, man, that was fun.

Obviously, me and you

did something quite different to the other two teams who both sort of ended up doing

weekend at Bernie's, yeah, where they...

Oh, our friend's gotten drunk.

And, you know, they just leave him outside the pub.

I mean, I know that everyone that we work with when we do these these things,

they're creative people.

And I think everyone's got a really good sense of humor and understands that it's about making a fun bit of content, right?

Not winning or something like that.

So

I feel like whenever I come down and we do some content, everyone from the crew to whoever I'm filming with or whoever's hosting something all just understands that this is all for fun.

And you're not competing to like win something.

I'm always just thinking, I want to try and see if we can come up with an idea that the other guys aren't so that it makes a better piece of content.

And I think everyone's on the same page.

I like that.

Well, I think, yeah, it's always that way.

You know, you've played these games with us before and as well.

And it's like, so if someone comes along to you and says, be creative, you almost have to like discard the first ideas in your head.

You just think, oh, other people are going to do those.

But then you think, oh, are they going to all, is everyone else also going to think of that and discard it and do the next thing I thought of?

But no, usually the second thing you think of, no one has ever thought of it.

No, yeah.

You go like abstract after after the first thing you think of the first thing and you're like maybe this is too obvious and then the next thing you think of like you said is just is out there and then that you well i always i always think the first thing that you always think of is the same thing that everyone always thinks of and in a sense they've already imagined that in their mind yeah i think i think with with these challenges when you're given because we were all so conscious like with the cosplay challenge last year you know when ozi and duncan had to build spider-man spider-man is so iconic that i think you have to go a little bit lateral right on that in order to make it

make it stand out, right?

Because you're just going to make a shit version of something which everyone in their head can visualize.

Like, unless you've got

a Fantasia, where I guess you can't visualize Spider-Man, but I feel like even people

who are with Aphantasia, if I close my eyes right now, I can see Spider-Man in my mind.

And guess what?

Added bonus, he's naked.

How do you tell me Spider-Man then?

I've done it.

He's got the mask on, but I've got the mask on.

He's got

Oh, God.

Is he like, is he, how old are we talking?

I think he sucks it all in.

He's not actually that much.

He's like dad Spider-Man.

Yeah, yeah.

He just holds in his breath.

And

it sounds like Into the Spider-Verse, the Mars Morales Spider-Man.

There's like a chubby dad bod Spider-Man and all that stuff.

Yeah,

I see.

Under there, yeah.

It's giving you like creepy YouTube video for him.

He's creaking and groaning.

He's got like a couple of people trapped in his basement.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

So, um, are you?

I was going to talk about something.

I was, I woke up very early today and did a little bit of

accidentally, and I did a little bit of a digging around

on the internet for something to talk about today because I hadn't really done much other than come down to see you.

And we can't talk about the content anyway.

So, and other than that, I just hung out in the office and then went to the pub.

So, not really much to say.

It was lovely, though.

It was a great time.

The beautiful

heat wave we're having has been been heaven sent.

Oh, God.

Oh, God.

What a miserable winter it was.

What a glorious start of the summer.

It's been lovely.

Maybe.

It's been lovely.

I'm just sitting out in the sun trying to soak up as much of the joy of walking around and seeing, you know, the trees are all green again and the sun is out.

It's wonderful.

Do you sniff any flowers while you're out there?

I can't smell flowers.

Oh, strange.

I mowed my lawn last weekend for the first time in

what feels like forever, just because we've had like scaffolding and crap for the past year on the house, which is not there anymore.

We kind of got the backyard back, so I'm able to get back there and do a couple of bits and pieces.

It was nice to mow the lawn, it felt really good.

You know,

you get out there, you mow that lawn, you sit down, and you just look at it, and you just think, I did that.

I cut all that grass.

And while I was sitting there, loads of birds flew in and they were like looking for stuff.

Terry was out there and stuff.

Yeah, it was great.

Really good.

Just felt like at one with nature for two minutes.

And then I went back in

my house with a lawnmower that's right i went back in and uh just played some video games felt great

i i i did walk past a bush the other day with my partner and they sniffed it and they were like this is supposed to smell like see if you can tell so i had a big sniff and i was like it kind of smelled like like a stanky ass and she was like it's supposed to smell like sex and i was like the did you make me smell that thing for there's a there's a bush on our road someone's worse sex does smell like stanky ass so that's true but the bush on the end of my road are fucking reeks.

Like you walk past it, it smells like terrible garbage, but it's just this bush anyway.

Find a rosebush, but

I can't smell it.

I can't smell it.

But you can smell that one.

Yes, the smelly.

Have you been curved?

Can you smell some old

woman to only smell bad smells?

No, because I can smell like rosemary and stuff like that.

So like the herbs in a herb garden, I can smell the plants there, like mint and, you know, like basil and stuff.

You can smell it.

And I can smell it, but when it comes to flowers, I'm like, I'll stick it like up my nose.

I'm like,

and I just can't smell anything.

It's really bad.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

A lot of stuff, people are like, oh, smell this, and you're like, I don't smell anything.

I don't think that's necessarily you.

I think it is.

Anyway,

here's the thing that I was looking into this morning.

I was looking at terrible deals.

Right.

Like bad contracts, bad deals, things gone wrong in sort of all sorts of fields.

Uh, and I've come up with a few.

There's some sport ones in here, there's some business ones in here, there's some history ones in here.

You guys want to hear this?

I want to hear the bad deal.

This is

the bad deal.

This sounds like a podcast already.

We're doing a real podcast here.

Oh my god.

Um, so this is about a football called Winston Boharda or Bogard, if you like, B-O-G-A-R-D-E.

I'm pretty sure it's Bo Harder, but anyway, he had played for some big teams.

When was he active?

What were the years in question?

I'm coming to that.

Oh, okay.

So

he played for AC Milan.

He played for Barcelona.

It's the year 2000.

He's about 30, something like that.

He didn't play a huge number of games at those clubs.

But in 2000, if you were an English club and you signed a player from Barcelona, everyone was like, ooh, you know what I mean?

That was like, wow, cool.

So Chelsea signs this guy, Winston Boharda.

Janluca Viali was the manager.

He left and then Claudio Ranieri came in as manager and he didn't like Winston Bojarda as a player.

He was like, I don't think he's up to much.

It's probably right, to be fair.

But they've signed Winston Boharda on a £40,000 a week contract for four years.

Now, 40 grand a week back then was an obscene amount of money for players.

Like hardly anyone had this kind of money.

In today's money,

it's like 20, 25 years later.

So that's like 80 grand a week for a 30-year-old player.

And here's the thing.

They don't play him.

He's there for four years and he just fulfills his contractual obligations.

He trains every time he's expected to train.

He's always available to play.

He does everything so they can't fire him.

And he got a lot of stick from the Chelsea fans and the press and, oh, worst signing in history.

But here's what he had to say about it.

They kept trying to sell him, but no one would take him.

And even though they pressured him to leave, he was like, here's what he said.

Why should I throw away 15 million euros when it's already mine?

At the moment I signed, it was in fact my money, my contract.

Both sides agreed wholeheartedly.

I could go elsewhere to play for less, but you have to understand my history to understand I would never do that.

I used to be poor as a kid, did not have anything to spend or something to play with.

This world is about money, so when you're offered those millions, you take them.

Few people will ever earn so many.

I am one of the fortunates who do.

I may be one of the worst buys in the history of the premiership, but I don't care.

Good for England, man.

He just ran down his contract.

He subsequently wrote a book i'm not going to say it in english because it's um or in dutch actually but essentially his autobiography is called this n-word bows for no man which is a pretty fucking cool name for a book because he's like you know he's he's had a this this quite tough life had loads of shit for just chelsea giving him a bad contract but you find me someone who wouldn't take this like he he played like 12 times in four years uh and he got like 10 million quid so why are they blaming him for his contract?

He didn't create his own contract.

What's he supposed to do?

Give the money back to like the rich cunts.

Like, give me a break.

This guy should be president.

This guy knows how to do a deal.

Fucking the dog, not the big orange fucking baby.

I know.

Like, this guy fucking rules.

Get him in charge.

What's he doing now?

Yeah.

He's probably fucking.

Do you know what he's probably doing now?

Chill him.

Yeah, he was actually assistant manager at Young Ajax.

So

he's still in football back at Ajax.

But I mean, you know, fair enough.

Yeah.

15 million.

I mean, you're set.

You can just do whatever.

Like, you know, if he wants to stay in football, cool.

But like, it's not his fault that his contract was

like that.

Like, like you said, like, if somebody gave me a contract saying, I'm going to give you 15 million bucks over four years,

I would, of course, sign it.

Yeah.

And if they never played me, I'd be like, okay, fine, whatever.

But four years.

That contract could be.

exhausting and you know

awful like the point is that in a sense like them not playing him okay maybe he was amazing maybe that was the best time maybe he could have been worth more no he wasn't

well we're never gonna know the point is that it could have gone either way though right like in a sense he he didn't you never imagine they'd worked him to death over those four years or really like given him played him every game he has to play in goal every game chelsea gets relegated season after season that'd be fantastic yeah well that's the classic way to like get someone to quit in japan or something isn't it you know yeah it's like attrition, right?

They just try to like psych them out, give them like really crappy jobs, give them show them like a really passively miserable time and just hope that they quit.

That is, that's, that is the way that's how they do it.

Yeah, make him like wear the mascot uniform and do the half-time show, make him, you know, um, clean up the stadium after the game,

you know, like make it till he actually quits and makeup.

Loads of things they could have done to get

value out of it.

So they tried to piss him off by like making him train with the under-21s and never playing him and

they tried.

Man,

Adam Sandler should make a movie about this because this just sounds like an Adam Sandler movie.

You know, they put the it sounds like like Happy Gilmore, but it's football.

And they're like trying to get rid of him and they put them with the under 21s and they just have like the best time.

You know, they're all like giving each other wedgies and high high-fiving and stuff and and so i guess all their

training every day and to like to honor his contract to the left to the left right like it's it's like a malicious compliance thing yeah he's like i am not i'm gonna get paid regardless i mean i i honestly have massive respect it's just four years who gives a if the bastards at chelsea are upset about uh this contract don't fucking sign players on 40 grand a week okay hang on a second though if this i feel like what i'm getting a vibe of now is what if this had happened at AFC Bournemouth?

Oh, well, no, no.

So a bad deal is a bad deal.

And I genuinely do not blame Winston Boharda.

And we've had players that we've signed and we've paid a lot of money for and they were dog shit.

It happens.

I am not in any way saying that this is favoritism.

The fact that it happened to Chelsea adds a little cherry on top because I fucking hate Chelsea.

So don't get me wrong.

I delight extra in the fact that this is happening to this happened to Chelsea.

But if it happened at Bournemouth, I'd be like, it sucks, but we we shouldn't have signed i would be angrier with the person who signed the deal i wouldn't be angry with the player for taking it anyone would take it anyway man i've got another sport one and then we'll just want to say quickly before you move on to the next one i was in london uh with my family and we were i was like a while back we were joking around at breakfast because we were like you know planning the day and uh i was like i had i had maps open i was like oh let's go to let's go to the chelsea football ground and stuff you know because like none of my family is is at all into football my son's not into it and nobody so i was just joking around you know trying to think of like things that they would absolutely not want to do just to swindle them up a bit or whatever and then uh one of this like one of the the staff from the hotel comes over and he was like oh are you guys gonna go to the chelsea football ground it's amazing it's so much fun i'm a huge fan as well obviously so i'm a bit biased but oh it's great you you love it like it's incredible i was like uh yeah i was just joking like i don't think anybody wants to go see it.

But, like, thanks for letting me know.

You know,

and then the whole trip, every time we saw him, he's like, hey, you been yet?

And I was like, no, no, I haven't.

Sorry, we didn't get a chance.

Like, fuck, it was so awkward.

It was funny, though.

But just shows you shouldn't joke about certain things.

Yeah.

I wasn't even a funny joke.

Like, I, you know, I was just, I was just farting around, you know, but it backfired big time.

Anyway,

so, so, the next sport one is a guy called bobby bonilla or bobby banilla i've heard of bobby bonilla is he a baseball player he's a baseball player ah bobby

that's a baseball player name isn't it it is

coming up next to the plate bobby bonilla he's banging 282 and he's on a four-game hitting streak and he's out all right so here's here's bobby

in 2000 the mets agreed so he had he had this contract and the mets wanted him off the team and off the payroll one of the reasons for that that you do them baseball is there's a limit on how many players you can have on your active roster.

And if someone has like a major league contract, they'll often have a clause in there, which means you can't just send them down to the lower divisions.

So you couldn't take a Bobby Bonilla and say, you're playing in the AAA team, like one of our farm teams, because we just want to get you off our roster so we can bring someone else up.

He'll be like, no, I'm not going.

So you're just stuck with him.

So a lot of the time, you want to trade him away, even if it's an unfavorable trade, just to get rid of these contracts and the salary cap and all the rest of it.

The Mets in 2000 want to get rid of Bobby Benilla.

They agree to buy out the remaining 6 million on his contract, $6 million, but they don't want to give him the $6 million all at once.

So they say, how about this?

We'll make annual payments of $1.2 million for 25 years,

but that doesn't start until July 1st, 2001.

And there's an 8% interest rate on there.

And at the time, the Mets' ownership was heavily invested in a Bernie Madoff account that promised huge returns.

And they were going to make a massive amount of money.

So they were like, we don't care about money.

We're going to make a fortune with this Bernie Madoff shit.

Just pay Bobby Bonilla off.

Give him some.

I don't care.

So fucking get the dinner lady to write the deal.

And this is what they came up with.

So every day on July 1st, Bobby Bonilla gets paid his $1.2 million every single day and will be until 2035.

Wow.

The Mets sort of, when he'll be 72, by the way.

Jesus.

And that's not the only deferred contract he he has.

He also gets money from like multiple other clubs for other,

you know, things that

he was involved in.

Max Scherzer was a player who also played for the Mets, played for the Nationals.

He's going to get paid out $105 million

to 2028.

Manny Ramirez, $24.2 million through 2026.

It's insane.

I mean, these guys didn't even, Bobby Benilla, I don't think he even played very much for the Mets, but to get that kind of cash.

What kind of deal is that?

Just give him the six.

Even if you said to him, we're going to pay you a million a year for 10 years.

He'd be better off and he would say yes.

Why did you sign it for 25 years?

Crazy, man.

So crazy.

I need a deal like this.

These are the kind of deals I'm looking for.

Something, you know,

25 years,

couple million each year.

Oh,

no problem.

That'd be great.

Yeah.

Oh, that is absolutely insane.

And it's got an interest rate attached to it, has it as well?

It's even like compounding.

Yeah, so it's like you know percent.

So he it's like

inflation proofing or something.

So yeah, yeah.

Fucking hell.

Respect.

Yeah, respect.

It's just

time.

Well done, Bobby.

The guys in charge were so greedy

with all of these investments.

They obviously wanted to put any money they had at the time into Bernie's scam, right?

Yeah, exactly.

And so they didn't want to pay off, they didn't want to pay him right now.

So, oh, we could put this money instead of paying him, we could put the money in the scam instead.

And so, their greed meant that they were willing to do, and also it's the classic fucking example of old white men pushing the problem off to the next generation, isn't it?

It's like, it's like, oh, we in 10 years' time, we won't be part of these guys anymore.

You know, we might not be part of it in five years' time, so let's just pay him in 10 years.

It's insane, and like at such a high rate as well.

I mean, they're going to end up paying so much.

He's going to be 72 years old when it finally expires.

Yeah.

Wowzers.

Pretty crazy.

That's nuts.

Damn.

I'm jealous.

I wish I had.

So the next one is

Ronald Wayne, which is a more famous one I thought I'd drop in so that people can go, I was going to say Ronald Wayne.

Ronald Wayne was one of the three original members of Apple.

Right.

Along with Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak.

So they were just kids.

They were like 21, 21, 22.

In comes Wayne and he's 41.

He's got a bit of experience.

He, he, you know, he's, he's got some experience with electronics and stuff like that.

He's been like a product developer manager.

He developed some video games when he was at Atari.

So he's an experienced guy.

He's a wise old head.

The two Steves are like a couple of Tasmanian devils just flying, woo!

Just trying to get it, you know, they're super excited.

They're just constantly working.

And Wayne's already lost a bit of money previously and he reluctantly comes in for a 10% stake so that the Steves get 45 each, he gets 10, so he's the tiebreaker.

Whenever they make a company decision, it's on Wayne.

Um, so he was he listed himself as the adult in the room.

He gets cold feet about the business, they've got this deal with some company to make money, and apparently, they quite often don't pay up.

He's exposed financially, so he gets worried and he dips and he sells his shares for $800 to the two Steve's.

He buys out of the company.

If he had not done that,

$800.

Yes.

That 10% of Apple

would have been worth something like $90 billion or something insane like this.

So yes, Roller Way

got cold feet and had to dip.

It's

poor lad, I guess.

How much did he have invested that his cold feet would like

800 bucks?

Right, but so here's the thing.

What was he so desperate to get 800 bucks for?

Because they didn't have any assets.

And he did.

And as he was part of the company, if they'd had some winding up order and they owed people money, they would seize his assets.

Oh, so like he had a house and a car.

Yeah, exactly.

And he'd been burned on a previous business thing where he was like, look, I can't have this happen again.

And he said that he found it working with them incredibly stressful.

And he said that if he had not sold, he would have been the richest guy in the cemetery.

So what he's implying is that if he had stayed on, he would have died of stress and it wouldn't have mattered.

He would never have really seen much benefit from the money.

I mean, that's one way to sort of

mitigate the mental damage.

But yeah.

There's a thing with this stuff, investments and all this stuff.

No one could tell the future.

Right.

And

the classic example would be like Warren Buffett saying, time in the market is better than timing the market.

There's a classic

thing about that.

And the thing about timing the market is you have to do it twice, right?

You have to predict when it's at its highest to sell and you have to also predict when it's at its lowest to get out.

Yeah.

Or if somebody just gives you a heads up like 20 minutes before something's going to happen.

Right.

Like if you're a member of the US government or something.

Exactly.

So

like it's always got to be tricky.

And a lot of people do these things called like dollar cost averaging where they

slowly invest over a long period of time.

And so, you know, they get the average price over the year.

Or do they just make regular investments?

That's the other thing people do is they set up a little thing where it pays a certain amount into the investment every week.

And then that just, you just sort of forget about it.

Because I think it can be very stressful thinking about these types of things and worrying about

this stuff.

I don't know, like this guy, it does, it does seem like it doesn't seem to me like he would have been that liable.

You know, if you buy into a company, I don't think that they can, if the company goes bankrupt, they can come and take your house.

I guess it depends.

But certainly if you borrow money,

they can.

And if that $800 he'd borrowed, then,

you know, I'm sure there's a, I'm sure he had his reasons.

But you have to live with your choices.

You can't, you can't tell the future.

Indeed.

And maybe he would have, would have died of stress.

Who knows?

No, you never know.

He's already interesting.

Thank you.

I've never heard of him.

No, I hadn't.

I did some of this reading.

Some of these I'd heard, some of these I hadn't.

Because Bobby Banilla Day is fast approaching.

It's like the 1st of July.

Wow.

And I was just thought it's the 1st of May, and the Mets are having a terrific start to the season.

We're like the best team in baseball.

So it just popped into my head.

But the new owners of

the Mets are like embracing it and they're going to celebrate Bobby Banilla Day at the stadium and have like a big thing and, you know, play up to it rather than try and pretend it's not happening.

They could probably,

you know, just getting everybody into the stadium buying concessions and stuff like that, they could probably foot the bill for Bobby.

Exactly.

It's buy a burger for Bobby.

Yeah, it's just like turns into like a charitable event.

We can't really afford to pay Bobby anymore.

Can you come in and leave a couple of some loose change behind, please?

Well, I tell you what, they definitely can afford to pay Bobby because 1.2 million a year is nothing when they're paying Kwan Soto, I think, is on $750 million.

Fucking

pay that.

The world has just changed, isn't it?

Maybe they were right after all.

There's, I mean, you always hear about these classic bad deals in terms of like business rate of like MySpace selling to News Corp when it was like at its highest.

Um, or stuff launching like that American TikTok, like Quibi or something.

Do you remember that?

That was like a big flop.

Oh, no.

Um, it was like a two billion dollar company.

Basically, it was like this LA mobile-only, it was like a TikTok or like a Vine type thing.

And it was just massive.

These things,

it's kind of crazy because like they

seek out investment for these things quickly, right?

They spin up like a ton of money,

but it's such a gamble.

There's absolutely no guarantee that this will take off in any way, shape, or form.

But then when you build something like that in the first place, it means that it's always going to be like that.

So like a big part of the business will always just be scrounging around for investment constantly, you know, rather than sort of building it up from nothing into

something that is like a bit more sustainable.

It's a weird one, isn't it?

Tech very much goes that way, I feel like.

No, I don't know.

Like, I always feel about it, but you know, the way they say that fusion power is like, has been 10 years away for decades, right?

Or two years away, or some stupid thing like that.

Just like that idiot Musk has been saying that self-driving cars in the next two years or whatever, they're going to happen.

He's been saying that for like 10 fucking years anyway.

I feel like there's this constant thing in tech where even though this company has never made a penny, it's worth a fortune because of some future idea of money.

And it's just this constant speculation about the oh

they've got so many users.

Yeah, but you're not fucking making it.

Like if you had a business that said, we sell ice cream, really, how many people buy your ice cream?

A billion people buy our ice cream every year.

Wow, that's incredible.

How much money do you make?

Oh, we don't make money.

We sell the ice cream at a massive loss.

We're just growing our ice cream consumer base.

And then we'll figure out how to make money off it.

You fucking,

here's the way it's a Ponty scheme, right?

The way they do it is they, these companies like, well, like Facebook, you know, didn't make a cent, but then it, and it buys into something which is growing and it's the next Ponty, right?

It's WhatsApp.

And then they buy up the next thing, like the VR headsets, whatever, you know, and then it's the next thing.

It's, there's always a rising thing that could be the next big thing.

And they're always buying that.

so they're always staying ahead of the scam right it doesn't matter that all of their stuff behind them is is eventually dead or dying or gonna collapse or maybe worthless as long as they're on the next thing already right yeah um it's and also it's also a classic it's a classic person scam like these companies might well be worth nothing but they're run by people okay and these people often the people who run them certainly a big company like disney

they've got loads of money.

Okay.

And loads of people on their board.

And the people on the board of Disney want are people and they want to get that Disney money out.

Okay.

And so what they'll do is they'll go into these startups.

They'll find these little startups.

They'll get on the board of those.

They'll get a 10% investment on them.

And then they'll convince the board of Disney to buy that out.

And that makes the Disney money their money.

You understand?

So if you're an exec or if you're someone who's directing these big companies that have huge amounts of money, a way to extract the money out of it is to buy your companies that you've seeded.

Basically, we're finding the

Maker Studios back in the day.

Exactly.

That was bought out by Disney.

And then

it lasted for like a couple of months under Disney and

then they closed it.

So funny.

So funny.

All right, do you want to know?

But there's tons and tons of little clever.

They're like magic tricks, right?

These little things, but it's just the way the world is constructed.

But the magic tricks were when he goes, da-da!

You all go, what the fuck are you doing?

Like, it's not a good trip.

No, it's just shit, isn't it?

It's just a way to fucking lose money, anyway.

So, have you guys heard of Jean-Calmond?

No, a woman, a French woman.

No.

Guy

Tupperware?

Jean-Guy Tupperware.

Jean-Guy Tupperware.

Drinking his Jean-C and riding his polar bear through the Great North.

What a game.

What'd you say?

Jean-Paul Gauthier?

What'd you say?

Jean-Calmont.

Jean-Calmont.

Oh, I'll say it in English.

Jean Calmont.

All right.

Oh, right.

Oh, Jean Calmont.

Jean Calment.

So Jean Calment was the oldest person that's ever lived.

Right.

She lived on the 19th century.

I think he heard of this.

I thought she was a Spanish lady that lived the longest.

Wow.

So she was born in 1875.

Right.

And she died in 1997.

Her husband died in 1942.

So

she'd been a widow much longer than she was married for.

She had one child who also died much, you know, in 1934.

So she had quite a sad life.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, she lived to 122, 122 years, 164 days.

Oh, she remembered this.

I told her about this the other day.

But did she tell, was this the story about André Francois Raffrey, a French lady?

I do remember.

I just remember it being, I told it half, I told it halfway.

Wait, are we still doing the bad deals thing?

Yes.

So

she's 90 years old.

Yeah.

And she's got this property.

She has no living heirs.

She's got this nice property.

And this lawyer comes to her and says, he doesn't want to buy the house because she's living in it.

So he says, all right, here's a deal.

I'll give you 330 pound a month until you die.

All right.

And after that time, you leave me the apartment.

So this lad was 47 at the time.

He's thinking she's 90.

She could die in four or five years' time.

Jesus.

She could die tomorrow.

No problem.

He's 47.

He pays her this money on this agreement that at the end of

her life, he gets the house.

She says, no problem.

Signs a deal.

Great deal at 90.

So as far as I'm concerned, great deal.

30 years later,

she's still going.

He dies at the age of 77.

And she's still going at 120.

Not only that, but after she's died, the family of the lawyer had to keep paying her for two more years until she finally died at 122.

And then they got it.

And then they got it, but they think that the house was worth about half of what they'd paid her over that time.

Yeah, well, yeah,

I don't think he expected to pay for that long.

Right.

Like you said, he thought probably four or five years and then, you know, and then done.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Yeah, this is a classic thing: is the mortgage, you know, it's a French word, isn't it?

Or whatever.

It means it's got death in it, right?

Yeah.

More is death.

It also has a gauge in it as well.

Mortgage.

Death pledge.

And gauge.

So I guess the idea is you're supposed to

newer.

You know, you got the

ma, your mother.

Anyway,

yeah, that's that's crazy.

That's so unlucky.

Well, I mean, lucky, lucky and unlucky, I guess.

They basically put a 32 gamble mortgage on this house and ended up paying twice as much.

Yeah, yeah.

Sounds like my current mortgage.

Yeah, no, that's unfortunate.

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Oh, I heard, you know, um, Rodney Dangerfield.

Yeah.

I saw a joke of his the other day that made me laugh.

You know the way he does it.

Yeah,

his delivery is.

Me and my wife were trying to quit smoking.

So we said we'd only do it.

We'd only smoke after sex.

I had the same pack since 1978

problem is my wife she's on three packs a day

all right so

so this is the this is the final bad deal because it's quite a long one so i thought i don't want to tie up the whole podcast with this but so this is called the darien scheme have you ever heard of the darien scheme never r-i-e-n no i have okay well i'll i'll tell it to i guess uh sips and um and any members of the audience who haven't heard of it.

This was an idea that the Scottish had.

Scottish government and all the landed nobility were like, everyone else is setting up these fucking colonies.

We should do that too.

We should get out there and colonize some of this fucking new world we've heard all about.

And there's this great place I could tell you about.

It's called the Darien Gap.

It's the Isthmus of Darien, it's called.

And they decide to go there.

It's a

basically a hellhole.

It's a swamp-ridden, disease-ridden, mosquito-infested ship.

This is like

this is the story of Shrek, who was...

So, yeah, so

I'll let you carry on.

But basically, the Darien Gap still exists today.

There's a road all the way from Alaska all the way down to all the way through America, Central America, all the way down through Panama, and then it stops.

And then there's a thing called the Darien Gap, which is basically a jungle.

um filled with swamps and tropical disease and disaster nice and then it picks up again in Colombia and goes all the way back down.

So you can't drive across America.

And it's amazing, really, even now that no one's built a road through it.

Obviously, it's a common smuggling route for people to drive land rovers through, but even then, it's very, it's very difficult to get through, even this is shithole, right?

So

the first expedition, they sent five ships, 1,200 people, head off

to set up this colony.

The journey around Scotland for those kept below deck was so traumatic that some colonists thought it comparable to the worst parts of the entire experience in Darien.

All right, so things are off to a bad start.

Even just getting away from Scotland is like, oh my God, this sucks.

They sail across the Atlantic and they settle there.

They christen their new home Caledonia, declaring, we do here settle and in the name of God establish ourselves and in honor and for the memory of that most ancient and renowned name of our mother country, we do and will from henceforward call this country by the name of Caledonia, and we shall have success together.

Huzzah!

And they build this fort, Fort St.

Andrew, had 50 cannons, but no fresh water.

Okay, kind of a really fair.

They are ready for a fight, but they are not ready to be thirsty.

And they have a harbor that's really not good because the tides could easily wreck ships coming and going.

And because this colony is kind of close to the Spanish Empire,

who's moving silver all around, they're kind of worried that the Spanish might get involved.

And the English are reluctant to help them too much because they don't want to piss off the Spanish.

Everybody's doing this land grab and sending shit up and down over the Atlantic.

Bosh, bosh, bosh, bosh.

You don't want to make enemies with the Spanish where they suddenly start blasting your little trade ships out of the water.

So the Scots are basically on their own.

They set this up.

I'm going to summarize this bit because it's very long, but just imagine that the mortality rate in this colony rises to 10 settlers a day.

Jesus Christ.

Diagnosis, malaria, fevers, miserable, miserable conditions.

News has not got home about how badly this has gone.

They have not told the Scottish public.

As far as they're concerned, everything's going fine and all the measures they send are great.

So, yeah, it's really not good.

No news.

Exactly.

He's instructed the Dutch and English colonies: do not help them.

We do not want to anger the Spanish.

So please don't do it.

Everybody's getting drunk.

They're dying of dysentery, fever.

Their food is infested with worms it's rotting they don't know what the they're doing after eight months just eight months the colony is completely abandoned except for six men who were too weak to move and then they get the out of there and of the 1200 settlers they just fled back to scotland only 300 survived oh my

god uh so yeah uh they they basically tried to get home as fast as they could um in august 19 uh 1699 the olive branch and the hopeful beginning that's the two ships, with 300 settlers arrived in Darien to find ruined huts and 400 overgrown graves.

Expecting a bustling town, the ship's captains debate their next move.

One of their ships is destroyed by an accidental fire.

Everybody gets the fuck out of Donge and goes to Jamaica, and they're not allowed ashore because everybody's ill.

So they just have to stay on board the ship like one of those plague ships.

Yeah.

So, word of the first expedition still hasn't made it back to Scotland in time to prevent a second voyage of a thousand people who are now setting off for Caledonia after this perilous route around the north of Scotland.

And here's the thing.

This second set probably are not like necessarily as pioneers.

Right, these aren't the hardy folk.

These guys are expecting a town, right?

Yeah, exactly.

You see the accountants and the hairdressers.

It's like the wives and stuff.

Yeah, you send the hardy boys out first.

It's like,

it's going to be a tough five years.

We're going to build a town for Scotland and and to bring our people back here.

And they get there and it's a fucking disaster.

They get there.

It's a fucking disaster.

They realize how bad it is

and they just can't believe it.

Okay.

It's like the end of days.

They've lost all this money.

And essentially,

after a whole bunch of other things, they surrender to the Spanish and they abandon the fort.

They have to leave the guns.

They have to leave the colony.

And just a handful of those people from the second expedition returned to Scotland.

Of the total 2,500 people that set off from Scotland, just a few hundred survived.

So it was an absolute disaster.

But where does the bad deal come in?

Is that in order to pay off

this incredible debt that the nobles had incurred in attempting

the Darien fiasco, they had to sign the Act of Union and basically give give over everything they pretty much had to the English.

So we sort of got them on our currency and,

you know, we basically paid them a bit of money to offset any future liability and stuff, but essentially

they were stuck.

Yeah.

So the Scots basically had to join us

because of the fucking Darien scheme.

I've summarized it poorly, but it's a very long article.

But the more you read it, the funnier it gets.

Just the tragedy.

It's so tragic.

It's hilarious to me.

Like if something is that tragic, just imagine these people setting off.

They're like full of hope.

haven't received any letters from papa yet mother ock he's probably busy uh running his successful lumberjack business a thriving town awaits us we agnes didn't worry yourself nor you elspeth we're going to caledonia it's going to be fantastic and then they get there and it's just

death decay tumbleweeds and graves six people

sinking into a bug

dragging themselves across to go

brains it's like 28 days later, like, what the fuck?

Let's get out of here.

And then the Spanish come charging out of the trees.

Oh, so sad.

Was this?

Yeah, there's loads of more bits about this.

Like, the Spanish did actually even attack them.

Yeah.

It was like a final assault on the way.

And they were like, fine, we'll leave.

And then they all died on board this shit.

Not only, not only the

Spanish could have just left them alone and they would have all died.

It wasn't the way you did things back then, was it?

No.

Between 15 and 40%

of all capital in Scotland was invested in this project, yeah, it's insane.

So, this because the country was so bankrupt that they had to join the you know, for deeper and deeper connections with the with England, and now, of course, the union and everything.

So, well, this was obviously at a time when there were only 5,000 people in New York, so it was pretty early on

the colonization of the Americas.

But poor old, because I guess Scotland needed to get in on the colonization efforts, right?

Along with everyone else, but they it was just a it was just not a very successful trip.

That's brilliant.

I love, love that.

Oh, it's great, Florian.

You're welcome.

This is like proper podcast shit right now.

It feels like for the first time in my life, it feels like I'm on an actual podcast and not just.

telling you guys what I did last week in a very boring boring way.

I love that we've had something interesting to talk about for once that isn't just,

you know,

the usual stuff.

It's been really nice.

I guess there's also tons of bad deals throughout history in terms of stuff being bought

because I think Manhattan Island was bought

from one of the tribes for about $25 worth of goods.

That was actually one of the things that

there was a lot of those in there.

The Louisiana purchases one.

The Russians sold Alaska before gold was found.

They're all these kinds of things.

So the purchase of Manhattan,

which, you know, I think it was to the Dutch, I believe,

because it was New Amsterdam, wasn't it?

Before it was New York,

when they bought it from the indigenous North Americans,

people were like, oh, they did it for a handful of beads, but they did it for what was used as money at the time.

So they did, it was money for those native tribes.

It's just relative to what Manhattan is worth now.

But, you know, equally, why didn't, you know, why aren't we laughing at one of the early settlers for not just cornering off the entirety of where fucking Trump Towers would be and all these other places and building buildings there and handing it down to his family because you can't tell.

No.

Do you know what I mean?

It's not like you could say, well, I bet someone's going to build the Empire State Building here one day.

This is going to be the, this is going to be Wall Street.

I'm going to buy this land.

No one fucking knows.

And to the native tribes as well, they're like, well, it's just Manhattan.

I mean, look how big America is.

There's so much fucking land.

I'm sure we can all share and get along.

And in a sense, I think exactly.

I think that was probably

their idea.

That's what Bill and Ted should have done when they could go back in the future and go back in time in the phone booth.

They should have done that.

They could have gotten up

all that real estate.

Man, they would be so rich.

Yeah.

Ted, we're totally rich now, dude.

Or something.

I don't know.

It's a classic example of, I think it's taken as a on two things.

It's to show it's exploitative colonialism, right?

But it's also kind of, I guess, something historically being used to say, oh, look how stupid they are at doing business.

You know, it's kind of one of those things that's slightly racist, and also, I imagine it's a similar vibe to Hong Kong, right?

Where, you know, the UK set up an island off the coast of a country they wanted to do trade with, right?

And it's it's it was a classic thing, and you know, you saw these a lot of colonies like Goa in India, the Portuguese set up as a kind of trading post, and it was it was it was common to have these things around the world.

I don't think necessarily.

Hong Kong was originally set up, though, uh, with the guarantee that it would be given back in the future, right?

It's true, yeah.

Someone, someone, someone like the Mets did that business joke.

That's right, yeah.

You, we'll, we'll get it for now, and you get it back in 100 years when I'm dead.

And it's like, okay,

everyone's cool with that?

Yeah, I'm doing it as well.

Oh, shit, I survived, I lived to 130 years old.

Oh, no, my lovely.

Oh, my God, kill me.

I don't want to live longer than this.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Man, history is so interesting, isn't it?

When you're younger, you just think, fuck, this is so boring.

But actually, I find the older I get, the more interest that the less interested I am in fiction, and the more interested I am in actual history and people, like documentaries and stuff.

Like, I mean, I feel like

if you think about the way that history is taught quite often, certainly in my experience, I don't know if it's changed that much.

I've certainly spoken to my kids about the history they're doing at secondary school and stuff.

Is that a lead into learning about the era of colonialization uh colonization colonial the colonial era learning about that if you open with an interesting story like that i think you get people more invested uh and the kids because you can't just say like all right children uh in 1750 the king of blabber that there's no human connection to it no it all seems so grand whereas if you have this very sad story which is also kind of funny in a sad way i mean it feels like a wes anderson uh film could be made about the Darian expedition, but

we learned a lot about

colonization

at school because that's our whole heritage in Canada.

It was

colonialism and the British and the French.

And it was pretty interesting.

But I mean,

that was when we did history, that's what we learned.

You know, like that was like the main, the main, main topic.

Of course, world wars and stuff as well,

and other things.

But that was like the, you know, this is how Canada came to be, this is like the important stuff sort of thing.

So it was pretty interesting.

Like even, even when I was a kid, it was quite interesting because it was like,

it was kind of exciting to think, you know, much a bit like how, you know, we're thinking about space and things now, you know, back then.

going to the new world was not at all easy.

You know, it would take weeks to get there.

You had to have supplies to get there.

You had to to have people who knew what they were doing, not only to get there, but then when you actually got there, they had to be able to build things and do stuff.

And it was all like a bit of a gamble.

And

maybe aspects of it were all very seat of the pants, too.

Oh, yeah.

You know, you were just hoping that things would turn out.

And

yeah,

it's really interesting.

I mean, I appreciate it, again, probably a lot more now that I'm older and I learn more about it sort of thing.

But

I remember being fairly fairly interested, even when I was young.

But I was really interested in the history that I was interested in, if you know what I mean.

Like, when it was just here are the Tudor kings and queens, it's like, oh, like, just boring.

Yeah.

And it was just names and dates and

who their offspring was.

It's like, I'm never going to remember all this.

I really don't care.

It's just like looking at some other family's family tree.

Why is it important that I know this?

What was the influence of what they did?

Just beyond who they were and when they died,

What was the deal?

Tell me more.

Give me a more human story to connect to.

And then put that into a video game that I can replay and make my own decisions.

Preferably a platformer, actually.

Just maybe a cheater platformer.

Ew!

Ew!

That's the

queen getting hit by something, I assume.

If you crack an egg, Henry VIII pops out and you can ride on his back like Yoshi.

i think um it's really interesting to know what people's blind spots are right like i was talking to someone mine is behind me i'm sure i've talked

unless you're like a chameleon i guess where you can have three or 60 degree vision you people just sometimes don't and were not exposed to a thing and they don't know about a thing and it's fine whether you've not watched star wars or you've

the person i know has doesn't know what the deck of cards is they don't really know that what a jack and queen and king is they don't know what that means.

And obviously, the reality is that it depends on the game.

You know, for some reason, we've just decided they're all tens most of the time, but there is an order to them and it's arbitrary.

And

there's other stuff, right, that people have missing from their knowledge, right?

And but

for a long time, our brains are

extended by things like a calculator, right?

When, you know, even when we were at school, we were allowed to take calculators into certain exams, right?

And that was a fairly new thing, I imagine, in the 90s, but

it was, it was, it's, I'm sure it's understood now, and it's kind of an extension of our mind, right?

I can't do the square root of 277, right?

On my, in my head,

but

I'm sure some humans can, if they've been really well trained at doing that kind of thing, or someone can at least guess it, but they can't like it's it's tough, right?

But a calculator is something we've had for years and is very specialized in doing that.

And I feel like, I feel like AI is supposed to be the next step in that, right?

It's the idea that it's aggregated thousands and thousands of books and articles and all this crap.

And it's kind of being shoved down our throats too now.

Like, you know, you fucking, you cut, like, I don't know why companies want us to use AI so much.

Like on WhatsApp, they've added, you know, you can do an AI meta search at the top of your thing now.

And every time you Google search something, it gives you a little AI result.

And my question is, and maybe there's an answer to this, is that supposed to be better?

Like, is it supposed to save carbon by doing that?

Like, rather than going to the website and finding the answer yourself and milling around, is it supposed to just save time?

Because it doesn't think, I don't think it is.

And the second thing is, it's, again, we've talked about this a lot.

It's just wrong.

So often it doesn't understand.

And it's not, and I think a lot of people, and it speaks with this.

grammatical authority that we only associate with well-read people.

It speaks like it's fucking David Attenborough.

Oh, you know what?

The fucking AI cost me two pints the other night.

Tell me more.

Me and me and,

well, pretty much everyone in the office,

including yourself, young Lulu, went to the pub.

We went to get some pints after work and we were talking about celebrity crushes.

And we were asking who were our first celebrity crushes when we were younger.

It's any kind of conversation you have at the pub.

Classic, classic conversation that we've had on this podcast.

Exactly.

Everybody's had it.

And I said that one of my very early ones, I would have been, gosh, by the time I saw the film, 12 or 13, and I had a huge crush on Jennifer Connolly in Labyrinth, which came out in 1986.

And I was a very young lad.

It was on the telly, recorded it on VHS, and I was in love with Jennifer Connolly.

And we were like, how old was she in that?

Because she was very young.

This was like her first big role.

And I used AI to find the result.

I just said, I asked my phone, how old was Jennifer Connolly?

in Labyrinth?

And it said 16.

And Tom had guessed that she was younger than 16.

And I said, I think I'm pretty sure she was 16.

The next day, Tom comes in and does does that.

Tom, look, he goes, um, you owe me two pints.

And I was like, why?

And he showed me that he'd looked it up.

She was 14 when they made Labyrinth, but the character was 16.

Now, the AI

didn't fucking notice this difference and just gave me this wrong answer.

And more and more, the AI overview is the top result.

And it's broken down, bullet pointed, and it has references, and it looks like it knows what the fuck it's doing.

But you're right.

It has no cocking idea.

It's a fucking idiot.

Have you heard, speaking of celebrity crushes,

have you heard the bad news?

Yes.

Billy Ray Cyrus.

Something happened to Liz Hurley.

Billy Ray Cyrus and Liz Hurley are a couple.

Yeah.

Yeah, and have been for like four months.

Yeah.

They're like super close now.

Like they were on the set of filming something.

He's like, it was love at first sight and all this shit.

And yeah,

Billy Ray Cyrus.

That did break my heart.

My breaky breaky heart.

My break.

Unbelievable.

Breaky, breaky heart was fully breakied.

Fully breakied.

Yeah.

I'm dead inside.

Yeah, me too.

My insides have all died.

They've withered away.

Although we can't really complain.

It's quite age-appropriate.

It's not like she's like 50-21-year-old.

63.

Yeah, no, I mean, but it's Billy Ray Cyrus.

More importantly, you know, it's my beloved Liz Hurley.

Yeah.

That's the appalling thing.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

Anyway, he's unbelievable.

He's a colonel.

Why is he a colonel?

Like Colonel Sarris.

Colonel, it says on his Wikipedia page, U.S.

honorary title.

It's like, I guess it's like Colonel Saunders.

Billy Rayl, Cyrus.

How many tours did

Cyrus did Billy Ray do?

How many?

What?

How many tours?

How many tours of yeah, how many tours has he done?

I'm on my third tour of Tennessee.

I've been touring the brewery here.

You gotta tour their brewery

in Billy Ray.

So, I don't know, like, I obviously

feel like, you know, we are in, we are,

people have blind spots.

And I don't, and history, and sometimes you guys might think, oh, I've never heard of this thing they're talking about.

And it's just, it's just, it's just, it's very common.

Um, and, and don't, I think also it's, it has to be passion-led, right?

Like, sometimes when I was at school, I just didn't want to take shit in, you know, like sometimes some lessons there would be, I just, I would be like, I can't, I can't, I'm really struggling to learn this stuff.

And it's just because I wasn't interested in it.

I was like that

most of the year.

And then for like the last two weeks of the year leading up to exams, I would go fucking nuts, like learning everything.

Well, but that was

everything.

And then I would just

every year

squeak by.

I'd get like 51%.

But there was some motivation for you to do that, right?

Whether it was getting in trouble with your parents or them giving you some sort of incentive.

Yeah, I basically just didn't want to be Billy Madison one day.

I

was like,

who's that?

Would be like, um, you don't know who Billy Madison is?

No.

Is that one of your blind spots?

It must be.

I can't believe that.

You've never seen that movie before.

No.

I don't like Adam Sandler's movie.

Not worth watching, I would say.

Okay.

It was pretty funny when I was a teenager and I watched it recently.

And there's parts of it that are funny, like Norm McDonald's in it and stuff.

Oh, wait, isn't that the one where it has the line, what you just said was one of the dumbest things that it ever did?

Yeah, that's right.

yeah.

So, I don't, I don't like his comedic acting because I just feel like it's

really, really bad.

I don't know how else to put it.

He's funny voices.

But that was

his thing at the time.

I know, but it's just not for me, is what I'm saying.

Like, I just think it's well, it's kind of

these days too much.

He's grown up a bit, but hey, I think, as far as I can tell, everybody loved him.

He's like, he was a lovely guy and everything, but I just never found him funny.

I didn't like his songs.

I didn't like his comedy.

I didn't think he was good on Saturday Night Live.

I just thought he was kind of meh.

Do you want some lose news?

Hell yes, bud.

News to this.

Okay, so let me load up the document.

P Flax, you'll be delighted to know, and I'm sure you've already been linked this by tons of our listeners.

The Minecraft movie is getting new screenings that actively encourage wild behavior.

Fucking told you, bud.

Nice.

So this sometimes happens.

It happened with another movie.

I can't remember which one it was, but it's not going to have the same vibe, though, if they know that they're allowed to do it.

It's called Minecraft Movie Block Party.

They want you to scream at certain points in the movie, toss popcorn, bring real chickens.

It's encouraging some specific rowdy showings on Fridays where fans are encouraged to get loose, sing along, and cheer as much as they want.

Those are going to all be fucking empty, by the way.

No,

I genuinely think that they could be

pretty crazy i don't know i feel like everybody's who wanted to do that has done it already though you know like i don't think they well maybe i could be wrong but i don't know we'll we'll see but i i do i do think embracing the cinema as a place where you get to have something more than just uh shh you know what i mean for a fucking movie that rowdy kids want to watch well this is exactly have you ever been shushed at a at a movie before i'm normally the shush

oh my gosh i got shushed i got shushed like recently did you yeah yeah during the trailers though.

So I was

not using your inside voice when you were indoors.

Some people love the trailers, it turns out.

But

I'm not going to be fuck off.

I mean, if people are chatting during the ads and the trailers, I don't give a fuck.

The trailers, I'll be watching them, but it's the ads and the trailers.

Everybody's got to be quiet for a while.

I don't mind a little bit of a chat during the day.

Some people love the ads.

Some people come to the civil.

They'll come up online now.

Specifically to watch ads.

If you care about the trailers, why don't you watch them online ahead of time?

Dingus.

Losers.

I think it's crazy.

Lose losers.

It's crazy that your expectation when you go somewhere

has other people in it

is going to be completely assigned.

That is weird.

It is weird.

That is weird.

It is weird.

You expect people to make some noise sometimes, you know, like it's going to happen.

Maybe.

Oh, did I tell you guys I was on another podcast?

I did, right?

I told you.

Yeah, you told me.

Yeah, we were furious about it.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

Were you cheating on it?

Yeah, that's all right.

I was on yump.

I was on yump.

Sorry, carry on.

Oh, great, great podcast.

So, next on the news is I saw this piece of news, and I assume you have as well because it was quite big.

A 27-year-old climber,

a Chinese chap, I think, was visiting Japan and climbing Mount Fuji.

And I don't know if you know, but it's like an eight-hour walk to the top of Mount Fuji.

It's pretty tough.

And he, I think, got um sick from altitude sickness, uh, and

was emergency airlifted off the mountain.

Wow,

and

then about four days later, they got they were called to another altitude sickness call and they rescued.

It was the same guy, and they were like, What the hell?

What are you playing at, son?

He said, I'm looking for my mobile phone

for a legend.

Do you reckon

he looked for it, find my phone?

It just had it at the top of Mount Fuji.

He was like, oh, come on again.

It's like a Final Fantasy quest or something.

You've got to go to the top of the mountain and fucking find the phone and hold it up in the air and wait for the light to shine on it and stuff.

That's hilarious, man.

Jesus Christ.

Did he find it?

So, yeah.

I don't think so, no.

But, yeah, there's no penalty when a climber needs to be rescued.

But it has called for some.

People are calling for him to be getting in trouble for it.

But I think, you know, it's too funny.

It's too much.

It's too funny.

Yeah, yep, yep, yep.

It's too funny to get him in trouble.

Well, he deserves it.

Yeah, I think, you know what, I think that's enough.

I think we've done a great podcast today, so we'll leave it there.

I enjoyed it.

It was a good one.

Hey, I watched the show

on BBC One called This Is Our City.

It's got Sean Bean in it.

It's about Liverpoolian publicly and uh drug dealers it's good i've heard of it it's like eight episodes or whatever it's good though i i enjoyed it you might you guys might like it too it's good it's very lots of heavy scouse in it though like lots of and stuff you know like it's just like lots of that you know it's good though it's really good really well the city is out

adolescence was brilliant if you haven't seen it very much

very very you do need to watch it it's quite heavy going but great great way it's shot all in one continuous

There's a new Louis Thuroux about Israel and Gaza as well.

Like that sort of thing, another

uplifting story, no doubt.

God, well, you know, they're all good.

Good stuff.

All right, well,

yeah, we'll see you guys next time.

Yeah, miserable recommendations.

Until next time, goodbye.

Bye.