Triforce #308: New Year, New Triforce

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So the power was out.

That's all in the office.

The power in the office is out.

Yeah.

Shit.

Where are you?

I am in.

Weirdly, my

office.

The recording rooms are fine.

I'm in the

rest of the office is not fine.

Sounds like a fuse has gone.

Maybe Maybe there's a leak somewhere.

Everyone's stood around looking.

Could be a leak somewhere.

I mean, if part of the building has gone and the other part of it hasn't, that's because the same shit happens in my fucking kitchen.

We got an air fryer at Christmas.

Baby, I got my air fryer.

Are we starting the podcast?

No, we started.

No, no, no.

We started announcing.

No, we didn't do an intro.

We didn't even do an intro.

We'll retroactively do an intro.

All right, here.

Welcome to Chris.

You got an air fryer for Christmas.

Yeah.

I got an air fryer for Christmas.

Oh, my God.

I know.

Oh, my God.

I know.

That's my reaction now.

At the time, I was like, oh, I got an air fryer.

I was like, yeah, we should get what everybody's harping on about him.

I am a transformed man.

Yeah.

Fully on board.

I just wish we used ours more.

It's like we just don't get the opportunity to fry as much as I'd like to, but when we do use it, it's glorious.

I will say, they should not have called it an air fryer.

I don't know why they called it that.

There's no frying involved.

There's no oil.

You know, I had to think.

There's like a little tiny bit of oil.

You put like a little tiny bit, don't you?

Where?

In the little oil receptacle.

We don't have an oil receptacle.

You can't put that in there.

Oh, yeah, you've got to take that shit back and get it, get a different one.

No, I mean, we cooked a fucking.

We roast a chicken in 45 minutes in this batch.

God damn, was it dry like that bat that they ate on three amigos with the crunch?

Oh no.

It was as moist as anything.

Remember when Dusty cooked up that bat with Ned and

Chevy Cheese?

What are we talking about?

Three amigos.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

You remember that scene when when they're going to

assault the compound and they're out on the rake.

They're not real cowboys.

Remember?

They're like Hollywood cowboys, but then they actually have to go out and do some camping and they're assaulting that town.

They want to save the town.

I cannot imagine a way to cook a chicken in that thing.

It's like blows warm air over it.

So how is that?

So this was my theory, and I spent a lot of time thinking about this after I was eating the chicken.

The air fryer is a big heating element that blows air down yeah that is not that different from it's like cooking it it's just like cooking a chicken with a hair dryer right but it's like imagine if your oven was super charged right like you just turn it up in a sink and just blow it

yeah or a flamethrower but so it's it's basically like that it's just uh it's just a really super fast oven um i see so so what you're saying is that we could get like a you could see chefs like using the super hot a hair dryer technique yeah i'm not kidding

i've done i i did that this chicken was was the way i saw it because it cooked in only 45 minutes a lot of the moisture that would have evaporated in a longer oven cook like an hour and 45 for a chicken normally uh is still in there and you you do it breast side down for like 30 minutes you turn it up 10 minutes and then another five or 10 if it needs it on top to really crisp it up it was amazing it was really good i've done i've done homemade chips i've been cutting the cutting cutting them oh they're nice eh they come out so good so good rub them with some oil bit of salt, pepper, pepper, bosh it in.

Bam.

Kids love them.

Grape fries.

So, yeah, I'm loving it.

I've done all kinds of stuff.

Change your life.

It's great.

It's fucking great.

It's a good person discovering it.

See, sometimes you just got to go along with the trend.

I remember at the time you were like fucking air fryers, and now you're a converted man.

I'm a converted man.

Yes.

Douglas Adams, I was reading one of his books, and one of his quotes was that, you know, anything that was

around when you were born is part of the world and not newfangled at all, not interesting.

I'm butchering his quote.

Anything that was created, you know, when you were 15 is like the hottest, newest, coolest thing ever.

And it's like fucking changing the world.

And everything that is invented when you're older than 35 is terrible.

It's going to ruin the world.

Annoying.

It's ruined everything.

It's dangerous.

Do you know what I mean?

That's like

for us, especially if you have kids, that's social media, isn't it?

It's like the worst thing.

Mobile phones.

But if you're, if you're 10, and if you were 10 years old when social media hit the scene, you were like, holy fuck,

this is fucking awesome.

Like, you just think it's the best thing.

Oh, so I remember why I mentioned the air fryer because we were talking about fuses.

So

the thing is, our kitchen, we had it rewired a few years ago, and the electrician who did it, it was quite a cautious guy because he was like, you've got kids, so I'll make this extra safe.

I was like,

every electrician does that.

All he did was.

There's condoms on all the plugs.

Condoms on all the plugs.

I've double-wrapped all of these in rubber.

You're not going to get any pregnancies here.

No pregnancies.

No electro babies here, I'll tell you.

No, it just means that the fuse is kind of sensitive.

So if we run the tumble dryer, the washing machine, and the dishwasher at the same time, it'll blow, yeah.

The fuse goes.

So I found out the other day: if I'm running the washing machine and the tumble dryer and I turn on the George Foreman, that's too much.

Equally, if I have a lot of to

have a lot of draw, yeah, and the dishwasher, like the air fryer,

will also trip it.

Yeah, the air fryer will also trip it.

We have the same thing in our kitchen.

If our toaster pops while the kettle is on and the dishwasher is running,

that's it.

It'll trip it.

It's funny, isn't it?

I've had the same thing on my kitchen counter.

So I'm just saying it could be that, Lulu.

Could be a fuse.

Just find the fuse.

It might just be a simple fuse.

Everyone was making their George Foreman in the morning.

Yeah, exactly.

Just check one of the recording rooms.

Maybe, maybe one of the Bitcoin farms tripped it or something.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, the ones you guys got set up.

Yeah.

No, this is good stuff.

So did you have a good Christmas otherwise?

Good new year?

This is the first recording we've done.

This is the first recording.

I'll tell you what.

Christmas was like...

We've got it down to like a science.

We put all of our decorations up like the second week of December.

No problem.

Everybody had a fun time putting them up.

We got all of our presents and stuff wrapped about the week before Christmas.

They were all like just hiding in various places, ready to go under the tree for the big event.

Everybody had a nice Christmas.

We had a nice couple of big lunches, sat around.

Santa visit.

Santa visited.

We watched the new Wallace and Grommet and a whole bunch of movies.

You did send me a picture from Christmas Day from your house, and it was like nothing I've ever seen.

It's like that every year.

And the worst thing is, we're used to it.

It's not even surprising now.

Imagine like a taste imagine a claymore has gone off in your living room and and toys came out of it like in gary's one or something yeah basically and it's just like it's like it's like path of exile 2 loot drop yeah all over the screen i got two young daughters so it's just barbie clothes everywhere

the entire floor yeah p flax was like knee-high in toys and presents not even joking yeah okay and and tips's son is sat there surrounded by it all like on his switch

It was like,

I'm not interested in any of these.

It's on his own.

It's like

sitting in a sea of presents.

It's absolute chaos.

It is, man.

I talked to some other people about it, actually, because I was talking about that.

And another of my friends said, we have Very Different Christmas Day, and they were talking, I'm not going to name it, but they were saying how they only open like one present and then they use it or they play with it as a family and then they do another one.

They have like a very slow, organized process, whereas yours just feels like the absolute chaosing fucking like Wolverines, man.

Like, it's just like,

I'm just, we're sitting there and it's just like, boom, boom, boom, boom.

They're just opening stuff.

They're like, look what I got.

And you're like, oh, oh, great.

We're like still half asleep when it's all happening.

Oh, man.

Yeah, it's mad.

It's like six in the morning.

They're so excited, though.

You got to just let them, you got to, you got to let them do this thing.

I guess the difference is between like, you know, having like micro-dosing Christmas over the course of a day and like having a fucking full, like everything straight away, like at the same time, like heroin, cocaine, we get it all slammed out in the morning.

And then we have like a big breakfast, chill for a bit, and then we go up to my

mother-in-law's for the for the rest of the day.

So like

everyone wants to get

the hot new stuff that they want to take up there because it's, you know, well, I don't, I I don't know if you remember like when you were a kid, like if on Christmas Day, if your grandparents came over or you went there, whatever, but it was always like if you had to go out, you were like, shit, I got to get all my good toys together.

I, you know, my grandma's house was pretty boring.

Like, she just

didn't have cable.

Like, yeah, I remember packing up the Nintendo.

Yeah, so you'd really, you'd really have to like pack up your Nintendo or bring your Game Boy and every game you owned or, you know, whatever you got for Christmas.

So, like, my kids are the same.

They just packed up all their Barbie clothes and my.

I guess they get to prioritize what they care about the most or what they want to bring the most as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My son's at the age now where five minutes before we're going to go somewhere where he knows he's going to be bored for some length of time, he's like trying to get like PlayStation remote play working and stuff.

He's like, okay, we had hours to do this before we were going anywhere.

Like, why, why five minutes before?

He's getting all frustrated and stuff.

But I get that.

What gets me is people who have Christmas traditions, which seem to be about withholding fun, especially from kids.

Like my kids wake us up, they get their stockings, they come to our room, even now that they're teenagers, they come to our room, they open their stockings, and we, you know, it's all just little things that Mrs.

F has got them.

Sometimes it's stuff they need and sometimes like makeup or something like that.

And then we'll go downstairs, we'll have a cup of coffee, maybe we'll have some breakfast, and then we open the fucking presents.

None of this wait till after lunch shit.

None of this talking about.

The only system we have is that all the presents are under the tree.

Everyone sits on the sofa and my eldest has to take a present, say who it's for and hand it to someone.

And we all get to see who opened what and what everyone got.

And it's nice.

Takes about 30 minutes.

Job done.

Oh man.

See, we're still at the stage where they're feral.

Like they're going under the tree and just getting the one for them and then running back to the chair and you're like, come on, you got to get the ones for everyone.

Yeah.

Get one for mummy.

Mummy hasn't had a present yet.

Well, we don't even, we, we don't even get any.

Like, like we, we, we get token stuff just to wrap, just so that we can join in or whatever.

But there's like,

we don't really exchange gifts or anything.

It's all

just all for the kids.

We don't really do anything for ourselves.

We're just empty shells.

of people now i mean you've got three given up yeah there's so many presents to open for the kids yeah but like we get like we just get like socks and like bits and pieces like that but just you know just so that like when the kids are under they're rummaging around getting stuff there is occasionally something for like, you know, me or my wife.

But it's, yeah, it's not, it's nothing like exciting, you know?

Yeah, it's tricky, isn't it?

Some people, some people who are like your best friends never send you anything, you know, and other people who

you barely know.

I sent you a calendar, though.

No, you did.

You did.

I got it.

I loved it.

Was it an Ian Bi or calendar?

No, I've only seen it.

I kept that one for myself.

But sometimes, you know, it's kind of weird who does send you presents.

Sometimes you get presents from people you think you barely know.

And you're like, Do they think I'm like their close friend or something?

It's kind of weird.

I mean, I consider us close friends, but I didn't.

No, it's fine.

No, I didn't get you a present.

I thought we just had a quiet understanding that me and Sips do get each other presents, though.

We always have kind of, though.

Well, Lewis sends us presents, and we send him a calendar.

Yeah, he sent me two calendars last year.

Shit end of the deal later for Lewis.

Didn't need two.

2024 bumper.

One of them was.

Tips always sends me like a comedy calendar.

So it's like the Jersey cows or whatever.

I've got a different cow every month, suck out in my kitchen, which is kind of nice.

I don't exchange presents with any of my friends.

No, I don't either.

Even my best mate I've known for 40 years, we don't fucking exchange presents.

No, but Mrs.

F gets presents.

We're all her mates.

Like, that's a thing.

Yeah.

It's just, I don't know.

Maybe it's just a thing.

I think

my wife and her friends are the same.

They all get each other little bits and thoughtful bits and pieces and stuff.

But

me and my friends do not.

Tell us about this other Fred you've had for 40.

Was he your best man?

I feel if I know who is,

do we need to like, do we, you know, is he a good lad?

Do we want to give him a shout out?

Is he like?

It's worlds colliding.

You can't combine these worlds together.

Yeah, I've known him since primary school.

I consider him my absolute best friend.

Genuinely,

probably had the most effect on me of any of my friends in terms of like pretty much everything.

Like, I just consider him my

lightning.

Yeah, really.

Genuinely, which is rare and always funny.

And genuinely should have, like a lot of people that you know, you think you should have a podcast or a book or a fucking.

He's talking about me.

I knew it.

I knew it.

Just one of those people.

Is he just interesting and funny?

Because sometimes you meet those people who are just like, they just are, they're getting on with life.

I guess he has kids and stuff as well and a reasonably normal job.

He works.

No, he doesn't, actually.

No, no, no.

Well, not weird.

Sorry.

I didn't mean to say that.

I have a similar friend who I was like best, best, best friends with.

But

because I live so far away and like we still we still chat but it's not like we're not like close like we were obviously uh he's got also three kids but his three kids are all teenagers and uh you know just life life just sort of takes over after a while right like we're not we're not the same guys who just used to like walk around and go to the mall and stuff like that you know like we don't have like that much time but like I still like Flax, I still consider him like, you know, probably my all-time best friend, most like influential on my my young life and stuff like that like lots of memories and stuff it's it's good it's good to like just catch up like as seldom as we do but it is nice uh it's like so so comforting and familiar you know always to know that that person is just around and just no matter no matter what kind of happens in your lives even if you're not super close like uh we we both probably know we've got each other's back and stuff like that yeah if you if you finally snap one christmas yeah if you formed me up out of the day we needed help or whatever like it'd be no question, you know.

Like, I would.

But he'd come around.

Yeah, I would.

Oh, I see.

Something like that.

He used to listen to the podcast, my mate.

I don't know if he still does.

If he does, hello.

How are you doing, mate?

But yeah, he used to.

That's nice.

Yeah.

Oh, I thought of something this week.

Here's something that I don't think anyone, I don't think this still exists.

Maybe it does, but I think it's done differently.

Do you guys remember Radio Rentals?

No.

Is that like an American video?

Is that Blockbuster?

So Radio Rentals

was a British chain where you could hire electronic equipment from them and you paid every electronic.

Oh, like you'd rent a radio.

Yes.

So originally it was a radio.

And then it was like TVs, VCRs, I presume everything else.

Yeah, I see.

I'm thinking back to when we first moved to the UK and we were skint.

For years, my mum would rent a TV from Radio Rentals and a VCR.

And if it broke, we'd have to get the Radio Rentals man out to repair it.

Oh, wow.

And I was just thinking.

Back in the day when you could repair, they were repairmen for stuff like that.

Your mom is British-born, right?

But it's your dad who's American-born?

So he's not American-born.

He's actually Canadian.

Oh, okay.

Grew up in the UK.

Right.

And then when we moved to America, he stayed when

Canada.

Ottawa.

Oh, my God.

What's his name?

What's his last name?

Maybe I used to babysit him.

You know what his last name is.

He's my dad.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

Of course, it is.

That's true.

I was hoping that we'd have like a fucking do you know who you are situation or whatever where do you who do you think you are where like Pyrrhion has found out after seven years of doing this podcast that sips is his long-lost brother.

What part of Ottawa did he grow up in?

I have no idea.

Do you know what school he went to?

No, no, because I think he moved to the UK when he was a baby.

Oh, so my grandmother.

How did you do that?

Well,

a young person's visitor, obviously.

That's so stupid.

My grandfather and my grandmother moved to the UK.

Right.

Or something like that.

So were they also

from Ottawa, though?

No, my grandmother's from Bournemouth.

Fucking hell.

Yeah.

Okay, what's her?

That's why we moved to Bournemouth.

How did she end up in Ottawa then?

During the war.

She met my grandfather, I think, maybe probably when he was and your grandfather was was

Canadian Air Force.

Yeah.

From Ottawa.

Yeah.

CFB Pettawawa.

I don't know what that means.

Fucking hell.

Sorry.

But

we, yeah.

So I mean, as far as I know, my grandparents got divorced in a similar fashion to the way my dad and my mom got divorced, which is that he left my grandmother for another woman.

And his two kids, my uncle and my father, were left in Bournemouth with my grandmother.

And then they went to repeat the cycle.

My dad did the same thing the answer doesn't fall to another country yeah and then basically send his wife and kids back to Bournemouth so and now you're just about to tell us that you are going back to New York and you've left your wife and your two kids no and you're keeping the cycle alive the airfire was the last drawing

it's interesting though like sorry just coming coming back to all this but there is like um they're like generational kind of like cycle breakers you see this a lot right where like pat like patterns of a family, like things that like a father will do that his sons will go on to do or like things that a mother would have done that yeah like all these cycles that repeat themselves and then every once in a while in of a generation you'll just have somebody who's just like no like this this sucks and i'm not repeating this cycle i'm gonna do well i'm doing it differently i'm gonna do it better or whatever it's interesting isn't it like that uh that was exactly that's been exactly my uh feeling is that this is obviously a thing that my family has done, at least for the last two generations, maybe more.

I don't know.

And I know that my mum says that her parents were not particularly nice to their kids either.

And I thought, and didn't really seem to like each other very much.

And I thought, all right, well, let's not do that.

Let's be the first generation that is someone drilling in the background.

Yes, there's work.

Okay, okay.

Work, sorry.

Just wanted to acknowledge that that was okay.

Is it your work?

It is not my work.

It is.

I have seen this idea before, SIPS, of like people of generational patterns.

And I don't know whether it's just coincidence or a real thing, but it does seem strange that someone would be like, I'm my dad left his wife's, so I'm going to leave mine.

That does seem a bit more difficult.

It's kind of odd, though.

Like, as you get older, you have kids and stuff, you often think about your parents and you think, am I like them?

Or am I doing the things that they did?

Or am I doing

am I, am I breaking a cycle?

Like, am I doing, am I doing better than they did?

But it's, it's really hard to judge.

Well, I worry, though, that like, I worry that the opposite would happen, that, you know, you would say, I don't want to be like my dad.

So I would stay in a shit relationship.

I think

there are several sides to how people view their parents, in my opinion.

Certainly my experience, I'll put it that way.

You either learn from your parents in a good way

or you learn from them in a bad way.

And if you learn from them in a bad way, you're doomed to repeat their mistakes.

If you learn from them in a good way, you become mature enough and experienced enough that you look back at the things they did and you can make

sure that that was dog shit.

I'm not going to do that.

I might make my own mistakes, but I'm not going to make those same stupid, fucking ridiculous mistakes.

Yeah, yeah.

I think those are, and I certainly, I think if you, some people just literally become their parents as well.

Yeah, but, but do you think it's like a lack of awareness or something?

Like, do you think these people say at some point, like, holy shit, like, I'm doing exactly what my dad did?

Maybe, but I think most people.

Or do you think it's more of a subconscious thing?

and

then even then it's suppressed?

That's a lot of introspection to have people really analyze themselves like that.

I think people really like that.

Is it though?

It's interesting.

I don't know if

that requires a lot of introspection, though.

It seems like an obvious thing.

I don't know.

It's weird, but I guess.

I mean, I guess most people just don't really think about it because there are a lot of patterns that repeat and repeat and repeat.

We we don't learn from history, why should we learn from our own fucking history?

I guess so, yeah.

I just, I'm, I'm just, maybe, maybe I'm more aware than I realize then, or something, but like, I, like, I think about this stuff quite often, you know, like, I think about my relationships with

my kids, and and I compare them a lot to like, you know, how mine were with my parents and stuff.

And, you know, like, I, I, I feel like me and my wife, we've, we've broken a lot of like, like, repeating cycles as well.

But at the same time, it's a lot of like, there's like a lot of like wear and tear that comes with that too, you know, you're responsible.

And at times you feel like not the adult, like you, you feel like you're the adults in the, in the situation, where, whereas you've got people who are much older than you and should have much more wisdom and experience around you who just don't, you know,

they've started acting like children.

And it just like at times,

we're left thinking like, well, fuck me, we've got three kids, but it feels like we have 10 kids because we're herding around all these people who should know better.

I think that's definitely something as

having.

I mean, the thing is, I think in both instances with my parents, they didn't really have a huge amount of contact with their parents.

Right.

My mom's parents died relatively young before I was born.

Right.

And my dad, his father obviously was in Canada, and him and his mom didn't get along.

So I guess from their perspective, what their parents were like when they were older isn't something that they really had anything to do with.

I suppose, yeah.

So, for us, we've had our parents now.

My parents are nearly 80, and Mrs.

F's parents are nearly 80.

So, we've had those four people in our lives as a couple for the whole time.

So, we've sort of seen them get older and madder and weirder because that's what parents do.

I think it could be the case.

Let's not be like that.

I don't know.

It could be.

Something happens to people, like maybe it's like when they retire or something.

I don't know.

But like, there is definitely some a lot.

I feel like a lot of like

weirdness that has cropped up has come around sort of that time in in

people's lives.

You know, I don't know what happens to people.

It's like almost like maybe like a crisis or something, you know, maybe

it's too much of a change at that point in their life or

as I've gotten older, I've realized that, like I was talking about the pillow situation the other day, that if I sleep on it in a different bed or on a different pillow or the window is open too much my back aches all day or whatever yeah just general old person shit yeah if you're nearly 80 fuck me i mean you've got the the specter of death hanging over you every time every time i watch jeremy kyle i have uncontrollable diarrhea

i don't know what it is just so the reason they're grumpy is because it sucks being old i'm sure

you know you you everything seems to be getting faster and faster and you feel left behind.

Yeah.

So, I mean, especially because, I mean, I'm nearly 50.

I'm going going to be 50 next year.

Oh, my.

2026, right?

Yeah.

And to me, that has gone extremely quickly.

Feels like it.

Yeah.

Even though if you told me what I was doing 20 years ago, I'd be like, holy shit, that's crazy.

Like it was a different me.

And all the things that have happened since 2005,

there's so much.

It's nuts.

So a lot has happened, but it does always feel like you're just accelerating towards older and older age.

So if you're that old, you must realize, Christ, I'm going to be 80.

I could just go any minute.

So, I think that that kind of must be in the back of your mind all the time.

But then, a lot of older people are like, well, if it happens, it happens.

I've had a good life.

And you almost start to become resigned to it.

So, either way,

have you felt that way?

Like a kind of a little bit like, um, oh, God, I could die any minute.

Let's just fucking do this thing.

Like, have you ever felt like, oh, God, I'd like, I just have to do this.

I can't put it off any longer.

That's why I'm on, that's why I'm on

search really

because of the constant fear of death.

And

you don't get paralyzed with indecision.

You're like, because imagine not picking a new car and you've been putting it off.

Do you just think, oh, fuck, I'm too, no, I can't be asked that.

I might die tomorrow.

Let's just fucking do this.

No, no, no.

I've never had a problem making a decision.

I'll generally have a stab at a decision.

And then if other people are like, oh, you probably should think about that, then I'll probably be like, I'll weigh that up.

And I'm not one of those I'm an RN for 10 years kind of people.

I am.

I'm an I'm an anara guy.

I will not make a fucking decision.

Like,

when you go shopping, Lewis, let's say, because I go shopping, I needed a new jumper, right?

I love jumpers.

Went out, went into a shop.

That's a nice jumper, bought it, bam, five minutes.

Yeah.

Are you one of these?

I want to try on these eight jumpers and decide.

Because when I go shopping, it's more like a targeted strike by a radio station.

I want to find my forever jumper.

I want to find the one.

I'm like the special forces of shopping.

Like, we've got it laid out.

We go in, we're out.

The target never sees it coming.

No witnesses.

Well, so, okay, I was on holiday over New Year.

Yeah.

Um, and there was, uh, I didn't realize, but there was like a do in the hotel we were staying in, and I hadn't brought a suit.

What kind of do Tyron?

Like a wedding.

It was like a New Year's

Eve party event.

Okay, is that were you there for that, or did this just?

No, I was just in the hotel, but I had a free ticket to it because it was happening.

It was a reform party meeting, the New Year's Reform Party.

Nigel, for us, an evening with Nigel.

You had your ticket advanced booked.

You were ready to go.

Well, so I went away to Tenerife over New Year.

I stayed in Airbnb for a few days on the side of a mountain.

It was like 18 degrees.

But you sent me that picture, and it looked

really nice.

It was nice.

Oh, man.

I was really

happy.

I would have liked the picture.

You could have sent it

to me as well.

Oh, sorry.

I will next time.

Lewis sent me a picture of a beautiful landscape

next to mountains, serene.

Send it to me now.

I sent him a picture of my squatted house over Christmas.

All the flashbangs had gone off.

Because you sent me a nice picture.

You sent a nice picture to the group of you looking happy on holiday.

Yeah, very slightly sweaty.

You had glasses on in the picture, but what's up with the specs?

What's up with the specs?

Well, I was wearing the specs because I need, I haven't, I had laser eye surgery 10 years ago almost.

Oh, has it faded?

Has it really been that long?

Yeah.

Well, I don't think it's supposed to fade.

I think it's supposed to be because it's, but my eyesight must be slowly fading.

You need it, Tommy.

You need to go back in and you need to get it done again.

I think it could be reading glasses.

You might need those.

Pretty much everyone needs those.

So, okay, I'll tell you

briefly.

Where's this pick?

Brief.

Oh, fuck.

I'll put my phone down.

I can't go through my fucking holiday snaps and like

snaps.

I'm not sure if I can't remember what fucking happened.

I've got loads of, you know, when you're on holiday, there's loads of snaps.

So basically, Tenerife, north side of Tenerife, isn't like super hot.

It is hot, obviously, but it's not like as bad as the south.

The south is like a parched fucking desert.

It's not as good as as 11 or easy.

It's like Las Vegas.

No one lived there until everyone realized they wanted to go somewhere hot.

Wait, is this where that land went missing?

Man, this

if you sent this picture to anyone, you could just say, I'm in Jersey right now.

It looks just like Jersey.

Fuck off.

It doesn't look anything like Jersey.

Look at that.

What are you talking about?

There's a bloody mountain in the background, brother.

What are you saying?

Yeah, well, except for the mountain, but like the coastal cliffs and stuff, very similar.

Very cool.

Anyways, very pretty place.

It's very lush, actually, the north side.

South side's just.

So, just like Jersey, Jersey is the best place in the world.

You guys should definitely come to Jersey.

And actually, it's one of these places where.

Have you ever even been?

Have you?

I fucking live here.

What are you talking about?

I don't know if you've actually ever been round.

I think I've explored more Jersey View when I came and cycled around the island.

I did, actually.

I was fucking knacking.

It was much bigger than I thought.

There's mountains in Jersey.

There's big coastal cliffs.

Huge ones.

Huge.

Maybe the biggest.

So man.

We're on the side of this mountain and it fucking the road there is like, I'm not even kidding, like whatever 60 degree fucking incline, ridiculous incline.

And it was raining on the day we got then.

So the car was like slipping.

Anyway, we scratched up all the fucking rental car getting into this place.

Got on the bottom of it.

Fortunately, but it was, it was, there was a scary moment where I thought the car was going to get fucking stuck.

Oh, man.

Like Christ.

Anyway, this hair-raising

place to stay.

But very beautiful.

Recognised.

Walked around this local village.

You probably could have done it.

P-flex.

No, because I got a hair, you see.

Oh, hair-raising.

Oh,

I'm allowed to make those jokes.

I see.

I thought you were implying that your driving was superior, which it why certainly is.

You criticized my driving the one time I've ever driven you anywhere.

Where did you drive?

Where do we go?

Might have been to Tom's Dad's Farm.

Tom's dad's farm.

Yeah, we did some filming in the middle.

Get some sort of code for like a strip club or something.

No, sadly not.

I get a lot of emails asking when we're actually going to take Lulu to the strip club.

There's one like right by the office.

What's it?

Yeah, the Farming Tiger, the White Tiger.

The Urban Tiger.

That's the one.

I'm going to need some fucking search relieves to go to that fucking strip club.

I'll tell you what.

So we were driving.

It was in the old CRV, my old CRV.

I'd driven down to Bristol.

I hadn't really been involved with the Yogs that long.

and they did some kind of brand deal with World of Tanks, and they had to drive remote-controlled tanks around.

Do you remember that, Lewis?

Yes.

Um, and I think Tom's dad owns a tank, if I remember rightly, and that was actually in the shop.

So, yeah, uh, I was just the driver, and I thought, what have I signed up for?

I'm not in this brand deal, I'm driving.

And Lewis is like, You've got to remember to signal when you change lanes.

And I look,

I think it was Smithy that I was with, and I looked at him, he looked at me, and he was like, You did signal, you just missed.

And I was like, Backseat, motherfucker, you can fucking stay.

Never join you again.

Wow.

I'm a, I'm, I'm a passenger princess.

What can I say?

Um, so I've, I've, I, we, we, we, we stayed in this little village, and it's obviously somewhere that has been populated for a long time.

So it's quite old, quite traditional.

Some of this, there's some old churches and stuff around.

It's all very nice, sort of, nice small village, it feels like, in a little valley, right?

And every house has like a gate, a big gate, like a sealed locked gate, every single house.

And every house also has in their sort of gated front area, dogs.

Okay.

Just out all day

and barking at anyone who comes by.

And I don't know what, right in if you have any idea, but I don't know whether A, the people are worried about security and this is their sort of

thing or whether they, it's just tradition.

It's just everyone has it.

So everyone copies it, right?

But, but

we walk down to like the local village.

And of course, the shop in the village opens from, I think, 11 till two or 11 till one and then five till seven okay so it was like it was proper you know they have their siesta yeah they have to have their siesta so we walked down um to the to the shop and every house the dogs are leaping up at you and barking and barking away and like you get to the shop and you get your stuff and you walk back and we walked once around the village it was every house and actually there i felt like there was a lot of i i walked around i saw this one house it was like this little cage and it had like two dogs in it and they were like kind of barking away in this little cage and i was like oh my god they're here like all fucking day in this little cage with no one else around.

And it was like, it was kind of shocking, actually, to see that level of like kind of, I want to say animal neglect, but I guess I don't, as a pet owner, maybe that's fine.

I'm not a pet owner.

Leaving dogs outside all the time, I think, is rotten.

And they are all barking at each other, like the cacophony of a nighttime, you know, and you this beautiful valley, it's just dogs, one dog barks, set all the other dogs off, they all go barking.

Sounds awful.

It's like across the whole beautiful place.

And I couldn't really quite believe it.

And the other thing I did was I went to, while I was there, I went to Laurel Park, which is

Bird Park.

It's like one of the best modern zoos in the world, apparently, according to them and TripAdvisor and some other people.

But it's this huge, huge zoo.

They've got orcas, which is obviously a problem.

They've got dolphins at sea lions shows, which I went to and I thought were pretty fucking amazing, honestly.

Well, yeah, they will be, but it's kind of,

there's an element of cruelty involved in a lot of that.

Well, this is the thing, right?

I can't go to a zoo now, and I want to sort of talk to you about it because I don't, my feeling is like I always go there with this level of apprehension.

I think everyone does now that animals should not be in cages or being captured to show off to people.

And I know it's different in different parts of the world.

And I know also there's a lot of reasons for it.

And so, so, for example, the orcas is the big one, right?

They're these huge, amazing whales.

And there was a documentary I watched.

I think everyone watched Blackfish about 10 years ago about how there was an orca that was

killed a couple of its trainers, right?

Because it was really mistreated and wasn't looked after properly.

And it was kept in a tiny, you know, it was just, I don't know, animals shouldn't be in captivity like this.

And I know that some of them are born in captivity and can't really be released into the wild because they just get eaten immediately.

Yeah.

Or they'll just, you know, swim up to a flipping Japanese fishing boat and get harpooned.

You know,

it's, it's, it's kind of, you've got this this problem of that so on the one to the zoo kind of presents itself as this big advocate for conservation okay and it's very very keen to talk about all the problems and all the cruelty and all the climate change and all the issues going on in the world and how it's trying to help with them now watch the man go through the hoop

exactly cheerful his kids knock on the glass he loves it exactly exactly and also like I think it is owned by like a multinational conglomerate of like, you know, they've got hotels and other theme theme parks and other stuff too.

They're like, they're a for-profit business, right?

And so I don't see how those two things can really square.

I realize they are doing, it's better than nothing, but at the same time, like, and also I, I, if you've got these orcas, okay, they've obviously got these very, very big tanks for them, but they're huge anyway.

Like,

and, and I'm, I worry that like, on the one hand, giving them this show to do is some sort of enrichment, right?

It's like a like a job and it's, it's kind of they're interacting, they're doing,

it is enrichment, right?

It's not nothing, it will be worse to just leave them in a tank on their own, right?

Um, but on the other hand, like you can't let them out.

I don't know, like, like, there's this whole, it's so difficult for me to kind of put it all down in my head and how I feel about it.

Well, look, think about it this way: if you see something like an orca or an elephant or anything like that in captivity, that's the equivalent to you being put in a tiny six-foot by six-foot cell and compare that with how much land or ocean that animal would cover in its lifetime.

And although it might be a tough life, they would be free.

And you look at orcas, they fucking travel thousands of miles in their lifetime easily.

Yeah.

And now you're like, well, here you go.

Have a fucking tiny cell to live in.

Now, there are some animals that you're perfectly fine whacking in captivity.

I don't think it's a problem at all.

But when I look and I see a snake or a lizard and it's just in a fucking tiny glass box, it's nice to look at the animals.

I get it.

But at the same time, it's pretty fucking inhumane.

Yeah, but like do not let

the snake out of there, please.

Let them all out of it.

I don't want to do it.

I'm saying, have a special zoo session.

Snakes, spiders, scorpions,

spiders contained.

And it's all the lights go out.

All the lights go out.

It's like that bit in Cabin in the Woods when the doors open and all the monsters come out at the same time.

That's what I want at the zoo.

Let them out.

I think we just need to be phasing out.

I think there's a lot of good conservation trusts that actually don't just talk about it, but do a lot of conservation stuff.

I mean, there are some good zoos.

There genuinely are.

Yes.

And I think some of them do some good work.

A lot of these animals that they have are rescued animals.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, and it's not like they've gone out and fucking tranked an elephant and dragged it.

No, I mean, even

in Longleat, at the Safari Park, they've got an elephant, but it's a rescue elephant.

It was in a circus and it was abused and everything.

Right.

So that's a big one.

And she's got this huge, she's got a huge shed that she lives in with like tons of space for her to walk around and stuff like that.

And she's a shed, a house.

She's old.

So you know what I mean?

It's not like

I think for her that that's fine.

You know what I mean?

It's like a retirement home.

Yeah, kind of.

And she's had a really tough life.

And now

she's like, poof, this is really good.

She can just be taken care of and relax a bit.

It's not like there aren't people who are

doing wonderful work and obviously caring greatly for all these animals and loving them and making a lot of effort and you know and you know there's huge amounts of people who do the volunteer work at these places to to help and and obviously a lot of these breeding programs can help get endangered animals back into the wild you know

and that is you know And it is a relatively small number, you know, they've actually got in captivity, you know, compared to how many sometimes are out there.

And if they're, especially if they're adding hundreds more out into the world and they've got, you're keeping four or whatever that can't be released.

It's not, it's not not so.

And also, I think also, you know, having been to Japan and seen some of the animal cruelty over in different countries, I think they have a very different attitude towards animals than we do in their culture.

And certainly, I've seen, well, when I went there with my partner, you know, they were crying, you know, about stuff that was going on, you know, that they saw with animals chained up and, you know, animals like hurting themselves and stuff like this because they were in horrible conditions.

And I think it's not, you know, I think this zoo was much better than some of them, but I also think that part of the reason that there is an influence, okay?

So the part of the reason that this Laurel Park has orcas is because they got them in like 2001.

They leased them from SeaWorld, right?

And I think the problem is that SeaWorld, you know, had this big American orcas show and it's very Americanized, right?

The show they have in Tenerife right.

It's very, there's a steakhouse you can go to afterwards.

They, there's a splash zone.

It's got a kiss cam or, you know, or whatever, like it it zooms in on people and tries to on the big monitors.

You see what I mean?

It feels like you're at a ball game.

And it's kind of very strange to see that.

And it's obviously because the cultural influence has done it.

And so I think you can very easily see people in China or people in the countries where they don't have as good animal welfare, you know, saying, oh, look, they're doing this and it's popular.

It's making loads of money.

Let's set up our own.

You know, I think it is dangerous in that sense.

So

I was a bit upset about it and uh but a very impressive zoo overall um and i thought i thought it was they were doing a lot of good stuff and i like birds too so like the thing is

the thing i found about laura park was it's obviously started off as a parrot park right and um they've got like 3 000 parrots there or whatever it's not feeling lots of birds in cages though is it mate and um and so interestingly what they have rather than have like a separate area for the birds they've got like kind of birds everywhere.

Yeah, well, it's 2025.

I'm not dropping this.

So please go.

So

everyone else would be staring at the lines or whatever.

He's over his stars.

You know what I mean?

Looking up.

He can't stop looking at the fucking birds.

And the little...

Yeah, anyway.

I was thinking of a couple of things.

I've been on Blue Sky lately because it seems a bit more chill.

And I'm looking at things that I've posted on here that I don't remember.

This one was three days ago, but I would like to talk about it.

I've posted a picture of a roller coaster ride in a shopping mall.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, if you look at, I'm just peering for axe on Blue Sky.

If you want to see the picture for anyone listening, it's just three chairs, they're like benches, like you'd have in an old theme park, right?

Three of those in a row.

Yeah.

Then there is, I'll, I'll, I'll, how can I pop the picture?

I'll pop it in the Discord so you guys can see what I'm talking about.

So there you go.

It looks like a sleigh in front of a monster.

Yeah, so it's like, it's like three things.

Looks like a Santa's sleigh.

Looks like Santa's sleigh, except there's a TV right up.

Yeah, there's a TV in the front.

And fans either side of the TV, little fans.

And then behind that.

Please select experience.

It looks like a shitty fairground ride.

It's really bad.

It looks like that.

It looks like the fairground from Father Ted, you know, when they have the

craggy yard.

It's spider with the mind of a baby yeah that's the one yeah um so that that's as you can see there's like a really really bad broken um bit of what do they call that thing uh where you you have a barrier yeah like that thing yeah exactly

sort of according so it's sort of cordoned off there's obviously a big sound system behind uh so you have to go in there presumably you pay it's got those little shitty steps to get up into it It is the saddest fucking thing.

And it is right in the middle of the ground floor of the Bentall shopping center in Kingston.

So everybody, if you were on it, everyone else could look down and see you being a twat on this fucking thing.

The whole time we were there, nobody even went near it.

Somebody came up with this idea and it was okayed.

And they acquired all of these things and they carefully laid it out and they set it up and everything like that.

For what?

What is this shit?

It's so fucking annoyingly bad.

And I'm just appalled that it's still still, it exists.

This exists.

And it made me sad.

I wonder, i wonder like the thing is like you you you see this stuff like in a snapshot in time you know like you'll you'll be there you'll see it and you'll be like fuck nobody uses this if you watch cctv of like that thing all day it's got to be used a couple of times i would love to see people using something like this who are these people just to see

i want to i want to know who's using it and i want to know i want to gauge how much fun they're having on it yeah

miserable like the whole time, because I feel like I'd like to talk to them before and after.

I like when they're about to go and say, Sorry, I just want to ask, why did you choose to go on this ride?

Oh, it looked fun, really.

That looked fun, yeah.

On a scale of one to ten, how fun did it look?

And then afterwards, be like, How was it?

And they're like, Oh,

maybe not fun, but that to me does not look fun.

It doesn't look anything like fun, it looks terrible.

I like, I cannot really describe fun that sort of uh precisely, but to me, that does not at all look fun.

Like, I opposite.

I don't even consider it in a million years to

waste my time.

It doesn't even look dangerous.

At least there'd be some element of anticipation of danger.

This looks like that shitty Willy Wonk experience or whatever.

I mean,

there is a lot of dog shit shit.

Can I say, I've just read through your Blue Sky post for fans.

They are fucking gold.

Here's one.

Pikachu is meant to be a mouse.

Have the lads that made him ever actually seen a mouse?

Yeah, I'm confused.

I didn't think it was a mouse.

Yeah, what's Blue Sky like?

Because Twitter is insane now.

Oh, my God.

I actually, I made the mistake of opening it the other day.

I haven't been on for quite some time.

And

there cannot be real people making those posts.

Unbelievably bad.

Unbelievably bad.

It's really sad.

Here's the thing.

It's too many people don't realize.

don't have any idea what's going on and just use it because they keep using it and they're just on autopilot they don't have time to to change they don't know there's a change they're an alternative no one's ever heard of an alternative they just they can't it's the same thing probably what's going to happen with honey um which we haven't talked about yes

i like i've heard i've heard bits and pieces but like i don't know the full story well there's a really good video there is a good video about a hit combiner he basically found out apparently this was known but he like publicized it a bit um that if you have a a code like for example and to code try this is like the coupon thing.

Yes.

Yeah.

So

the coupon.

This is the thing.

The coupon one.

Yeah.

The coupon one.

So that lady, they would intercept that code at checkout and they would take the commission.

And you would get like 2P instead of a bunch of money.

Right.

0P.

So that was what they did.

So they've been doing that for years and taking time.

Well, honey, obviously, it got bought by PayPal.

It's worth $3 billion.

It was Markiplier.

I think it was bought for $4 billion, actually.

Well, huge amount.

Anyway, Markiplier did a post in 2020 saying, there's something fishy about.

It's quite viral video.

It's quite good, actually.

You'll see it.

But he was like, there's something weird about honey.

How do they make their money?

It turns out they make their money by getting the referral code, right?

And stealing it regardless of what referral code you've put in previously.

So imagine, like, one of the examples he used on the video is really amazing.

It's like a NordVPN thing.

Nord VPNs sometimes give like 40 or 50 pounds for a referral code or bucks or euros or whatever it was.

But honey will just take that if you have it installed.

And all you have to, you know,

even if they don't give you a discount.

They never offer it to you.

They just take it.

They take that.

Well, no, they take other people's referrals.

So

the person using honey gets

the discount, but the referral money goes to honey instead of the person who's

referral card.

So the example he used was imagine you're in a shop and there's a salesman there.

And when you say, I want to buy this telly, he gives you a business card and says, Give this to the cashier.

So I get my commission.

And at the checkout, honey comes in and takes his card and slides their card into your hand.

And you hand that over to the cashier.

Right.

So she gives the commission to the wrong.

I'm making sure I'm understanding perfectly because I'm trying to think up some other ways to make money 2025.

Right.

This is really interesting.

Oh, yeah.

It's a really interesting one.

Anyway, it's a really good video.

You should definitely watch it.

But obviously,

it's kind of crazy because

this sort of has kind of flown publicly but not really people did not quite realize how it worked i think there's also problems with honey like colluding with companies to not give the best discount codes no doubt so for example honey will have like a deal with someone that there's they have a 10 discount code or something like this and then they get this cut whereas um they would and it would hide bigger discount codes you see what i mean so they don't give you the best discount Turns out they're doing some shady shit.

So in short, we completely retract any support of honey that we ever had and they can go fuck themselves.

That old lady is going to have to get her

to get her purse back out.

No, she was right all along.

She was reluctant because she was relying on her coupon book.

Right.

I did not realize it was the same one that we did ads for.

Like,

I thought everyone did it.

It was huge because they had this, obviously, this business that suddenly was making them so much money from all these referral codes.

Because that's kind of so much of the internet is referral codes and to its detriment, to be honest.

Like AI now, I don't know if you tried to use the internet in the last year, but AI is fucking everywhere.

Never really use it.

Never heard of it.

And it's disgusting.

Too busy watching the birds.

You know what I mean?

It's kind of out of control.

And a lot of it is powered through referral codes, right?

So, for example, people will be like, oh, I need a new toaster.

What's the best toaster?

And there'll be a website and it will be all referral code links to toasters.

And so again, you can't get a real toaster review because people are just throwing up these AI pages or quickly making these things to reap the referral codes.

They just look at toasters on Amazon with the best referral codes for me to get a big cut.

And that's number one on their toaster review.

Do you see what I mean?

It's all money.

The internet is.

And everything is.

This is the world we live in.

It's all money-based, obviously.

That's what makes the world go round.

It's not honest money.

But it's not.

It's the worst.

It's worse it's ever been.

And I think honey is incredibly dishonest with the way it's been acting, especially when someone like, you know, you look at someone like Linus Tech Tips or whatever, these big YouTubers who review things and actually do review them, they make a lot of their money from referral codes, right?

So they have the links to the things they're reviewing in their description.

You click that and it will give you a little cookie and then they'll get a kickback when that thing's sold.

But of course, honey's paying those guys to advertise honey and it's effectively taking their referral codes.

Oh, it's pretty It's pretty fucking ballsy.

It's pretty ballsy.

But you know what?

People were like, I don't get how they make their money.

Something's fishy here.

Trust your instincts.

Yeah.

Trust your instinct.

Oh, fuck.

That reminds me of something.

This week.

So my youngest likes to buy things on.

She buys stuff on Vintage.

She buys stuff on Amazon.

She's a real bug.

On the internet?

On the internet.

So is this?

Okay.

Didn't you tell me that something, they bought something really shit and then were like angry that it was shit?

And you were like, well, they paid a pound for it so she ordered a wig and it was a scam wig as she put it so she's the one fucking buying wigs I talked about this scam express thing well because you go to the front page of AliExpress and it's fucking wigs

my kids love buying stupid wigs

even today you go there go to aliexpress.com wigs I know I'm sorry

it's children I know

it's okay for kids to buy dumb wigs but it's not okay for a grown man to buy a realistic looking wig

and it cost like two quid or whatever and it arrived and it was rubbish and she was in tears she was like i bought a scam wig it's a scam wig and i said love it costs two pound you got exactly what you paid for so she upped it to a little bit more so now she's very good about buying things she's pretty smart she bought some matcha powder which is like i don't know what it is but i would buy food no it's fine she got on amazon it's fine okay um it she got the she she's on the ordering thing and it's a green tea powder it's normally expensive matcha by the way.

Well, it was two quid, all right?

Oh, god, from

a company called Bulk, I think they're called bulk.

Man,

you gotta tell your daughter to be careful because she can

get flagged as like somebody who's assembling bombs or something.

Like, this is all weird shit.

Like, uh, matcha powder and wigs, yes, MI5 or onto you, or yeah, sir.

We got another one: matcha powder and wigs.

The command center is going crazy right now.

The alarms are all Stockholm all over again.

Get the best team we've got.

Find Find them.

What are they going to be wearing?

What are they?

Wearing wigs.

Oh, my God.

A bunch of people wearing wigs.

Anyway, she goes to say where she wants it delivered, and you have to pin one of the delivery points on the map.

And then she says, oh, no, wait, I can get it delivered to home.

So she switches to that, but she's already clicked on somewhere.

So long story short, it ended up being delivered to the wrong address.

And it was a place above a corner shop.

So

she says to me, I went into the corner shop after school because I got the email saying that it was delivered.

And he said to me, the guy behind the counter said to me, oh no, it's probably gone to the flat upstairs.

You need to go down this alleyway and go up the staircase and knock on their door.

And if they're home,

they'll have it.

Happens all the time.

So

she's with a friend of hers and he opens this creaky wooden gate.

And he's like, it's down that alleyway and up the stairs.

And he goes, don't worry, it's a couple of ladies that live there.

And they're looking at him like,

this doesn't feel good.

And it's a really narrow, shady alleyway.

And they're going down it.

And he's like standing at the end of the alleyway with his arms, like waving them on like

this scene from good fellows just like good fellas just like i told mrs f that's like with karen karen i got you some nice uh dresses

right in there and she looks and there's two shady dudes in there um so she comes home and she tells me this story that so they got there and there was no one at the door and they left And she was telling me how it didn't feel right.

I didn't want to do it.

And it just, you know, my, everything, all my instincts were saying, don't go down this alleyway.

But I just felt it would be rude and blah, blah, blah.

And I said, trust your fucking instincts every time yeah every time yeah our species has evolved to have instincts when something it doesn't feel right it probably isn't right yeah don't go down that alleyway your brain is saying don't go down that alleyway but your socialized norms and and politeness are making you say oh i can't say no because that'd be rude all that you just say i'll come back later with my dad

and that's what we did yeah we went down there and i was like love i wouldn't have gone down this alleyway because it looks like i'm going to get mugged.

Like, it's the narrowest, darkest fucking alley.

And then you round this back, it's all rubbish in this shady area.

Luckily, it was just a couple, it generally was a couple of students, young, young girls that lived there, so it was fine.

But I was like, Love, trust your instincts.

You can't be making these bad choices.

So, lesson learned.

But if you're out there, if you have bad instincts, trust them.

Trust them.

Yeah.

If you see a bald man coming down your narrow alleyway,

throw matches powder at him until he runs away.

Throw wood on us, disarm.

Fucking hell.

I feel like we have barely scratched the surface of things to talk about this week.

That's good, though.

We'll have loads to talk about next week.

That's all we've got time for.

Oh, my God.

What a podcast.

Thank you for joining us, everyone.

Thank you so much.

Hope you guys had a good Christmas.

I hope you have a great new year.

Happy 2025.

We're off to a great crack and start.

See you in 2025.

Bye.