170: Someone's Feeling Triggered..

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Speaker 1 Okay, are you ready?

Speaker 2 I'm so ready. I do have one too, by the way.
You do? I do, but I feel like you've probably seen it.

Speaker 2 I was like going through and I went through the two hot takes Reddit, and I was like, there's no way she hasn't seen every single one of these.

Speaker 1 I honestly, I've been a little off the grid.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, maybe I have one that you haven't seen, but I don't know. Who could even say?

Speaker 1 I think this is going to be really good. I didn't even tell you the theme to like find a story for.

Speaker 1 But honestly, it's going to fit no matter what because the theme today is just like feeling triggered.

Speaker 2 Or like the stories are a little triggering. Okay.
Well, yes.

Speaker 2 Well, yes. If it's.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Let's introduce you because you're going to be, you're going to be coming on as a little bit more of a little regular here and there. Hi.

Speaker 1 Everyone remembers Michaela Oakland, right?

Speaker 2 It's okay if you don't.

Speaker 1 This is Michaela. She's been on, I think, two episodes for sure.

Speaker 2 This is the three Pete.

Speaker 1 This is the third. This is the three Pete.

Speaker 2 Here we go, baby.

Speaker 1 It's so, it's so fun having you on every time. I feel like it's just always like chill, a lot of giggles.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're one of those people that I always feel like I can talk to for so long. And like, I had, oh my God, I had lunch with someone, like a new friend recently.

Speaker 2 She's lovely, but like, you know, when you're having those awkward moments where you're like kind of quiet and you're both trying to think of what to talk about next.

Speaker 2 And I literally was like, you know who I've never had this with? I've never had this with Morgan. And that's probably why you're so good at podcasting.

Speaker 1 I'm just a gabber like I well and then I awkwardly overshare so like if we did have that moment you'd never notice because I just sit there I just keep talking I was like but you don't just talk about you

Speaker 2 you're very

Speaker 2 yeah you're very considerate

Speaker 2 you're a good conversationalist

Speaker 1 I just get so awkward that I just like keep talking and I'm just like I'll talk until someone literally puts me out of my misery and like tells me to stop talking.

Speaker 2 No, it comes off very well. Like I was thinking of you positively.
Oh, I love that, but yeah, we're always in a different location. This is our third episode and still a new location.

Speaker 1 Literally, I'm in between studios right now, so we're recording in my house. We've got horses out the window in front of us.
It's like a very surreal

Speaker 2 experience today. They have fashion going on, braids, and all that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, they have booties, like they're bougie horses, only the best. They are, okay, everyone.

Speaker 1 Let's uh dive in.

Speaker 2 I'm kind of scared.

Speaker 1 No, it's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 It's gonna be really good. I can handle it.
I can handle it.

Speaker 1 We got this.

Speaker 2 You're like, do I? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 This first one is three hours old.

Speaker 2 Coming from. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Coming from AITAH, titled, Am I the Asshole? My husband pants me while I was changing our baby's diaper, and I asked him to never do that again.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Not a long story here. I, female 32, was changing our baby's diaper when my husband, male 37, snuck up behind me and pulled down my pants.
Just the pants, not the underwear.

Speaker 1 He wanted me to include this part. He did it to make me laugh.

Speaker 1 I elbowed him and yelled at him. I apologized for elbowing him.
It was just a reaction. I asked him to never do it again.
and now he won't agree and just keeps laughing.

Speaker 1 He says I'm overreacting, but I'm really just asking him to not do it again. And I'm worried he's going to do it all the time now.

Speaker 1 He says he'll stop if the internet agrees with me, but he is confident you will all think he's hilarious. I really don't want to deal with this anymore.

Speaker 1 Please just say, quote, it's funny once, but not again.

Speaker 1 Am I the asshole?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 compared to the pranking husband that you guys had last week. Oh,

Speaker 2 shit, baby shit on toast. Yeah.
Like, with that as, you know, fresh in my mind. The threshold now.
Right, right, right. Like, and I don't want to make that.

Speaker 2 I don't want to make baby shit on toast the threshold.

Speaker 2 Be very clear. I don't love this.
I think if you tell someone, like, no, seriously, I don't like that, it should be respected and they should stop. I don't think he's like,

Speaker 2 you know, there needs to be be divorce because of this situation.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're there quite yet.

Speaker 2 I don't think we're at divorce level, but I think like anyone who has a new baby is very tired. They're already on a thin wire.
If they really don't want to be pants,

Speaker 2 let's leave it, you know? Let's leave the pantsing alone.

Speaker 1 Who pants people anymore?

Speaker 2 I was thinking that. I was like, maybe I'm just not part of the community.

Speaker 1 No, I literally, I don't think I've heard of anyone getting pants since like middle school, freshman year of high school. Like that feels very childish.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't even that big then, I'll be honest. I think like pantsing is sort of a dying, I'm not going to call it art.
It's a dying art.

Speaker 1 I have that in my head, though. I was envisioning it's a dying art.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm not going to say it's a dying art, but it is a dying

Speaker 2 activity.

Speaker 2 It should be dead. Kill it.
No, I agree with her. If you tell him, like, seriously, please stop pantsing me.
Yeah. Then he should simply stop.

Speaker 1 Well, at that point, it's like the respect.

Speaker 1 Like, I get you think it's funny it's not to me I don't enjoy it it's giving me anxiety I'm on edge always waiting for my pants to come down right what if there's a skid mark I don't know like don't do it please so then you just got to respect your partner's wishes and like again she was she was also in the middle of changing a diaper like right of all the times right of all the times there are like so many things I think that I have personally found funny and gotten joy from that then someone else is like, okay, don't love that.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay, then I won't do it. And then it's like, it's hard because it does almost make it funnier, but you can't.

Speaker 2 Especially when it's like someone's clothing, someone's, you know, nudity, partial nudity, as he was making sure we knew. Yeah.
I think you got to leave that alone.

Speaker 1 Have you seen all the nudist weddings and stuff that's popping up lately?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Nudism, like nudism is making a really strong

Speaker 2 in America as well, or is it like in Europe?

Speaker 1 I feel like it's here too. I just saw a TikTok of a lady who, or maybe it was a Reddit story.

Speaker 2 Return of the nudist wedding actually kind of sounds like a good movie name.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, it was a Reddit story.

Speaker 1 We're going to read it today.

Speaker 1 We're going to read it now.

Speaker 1 Okay, I won't share many details. Well, good guys.
We're just going to read it.

Speaker 2 You got everyone so excited about that.

Speaker 1 It's a really crazy thing. It's going to be good, but there's a lot of nudism that's making it come back.
So, you know, at least,

Speaker 1 at least it's not, well, depending on what you like, but I'd rather be pants than have to walk around nude all the time.

Speaker 2 I also saw something recently about like a very famous nude beach in Spain, like,

Speaker 2 or maybe Spain, somewhere in Europe, potentially shutting down because other tourists were like just

Speaker 2 coming in clothes to watch and like oggle people.

Speaker 1 Oh, that would, no.

Speaker 1 There should be like a gate at the beginning where it's like, okay, this is the point you have to enter. Right.
And take your clothes off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you don't take your clothes off beyond this point, you can't come in.

Speaker 2 You have to be a participant. You can't just be an observer.

Speaker 1 That starts to feel weird. That's like, it is.
That's like, oh, I always mix these two up and everyone yelled at me last time. Voyeurism, where you enjoy watching other people.

Speaker 2 Oh, right, right, right, right, right. And then there's one where you like showing people.

Speaker 1 Exhibitionism.

Speaker 2 Stop. Wait.
Those are really good words.

Speaker 1 I learned this.

Speaker 2 I thought they were interchangeable up until I think I would have as well. I think I also would.
I would have.

Speaker 1 I would have only heard voyeurism, really.

Speaker 2 But when you said exhibitionism, I I was like, of course, of course, that's what it would be called.

Speaker 1 You're putting yourself on exhibit.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Makes sense.
Where do we think the top comment is going to go with this one?

Speaker 2 I would hope that the top comment is like, you know, no one did anything too fucked up here. Yeah.
But

Speaker 2 he's the asshole because he should stop. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you asked him not to do it, he shouldn't. Right.

Speaker 2 Not the asshole.

Speaker 1 Next comment down. Ask him why he cares more about what the internet thinks than his own wife.

Speaker 2 Ooh, wait, that's a good point. I wasn't thinking about that.
Ooh. Like, why is all the value on if the internet says

Speaker 1 versus respecting her?

Speaker 2 Right. But versus her saying, I don't like you doing this to me.

Speaker 1 I feel like there's so many people in the world that like, they need to be told no from someone else that like is impartial.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Or like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Well, especially I think in close relationships and like romantic relationships where you're so used to having having the back and forth, and like, you know, accusing the other one of misremembering a situation, and like, no, you always misremember when we have a fight about stuff, and you're like in this

Speaker 2 like zone with somebody else, and like, you're used to that. You're like, I don't even respect your, even that, that's the person you should be respecting the most.

Speaker 2 Like, no, I need someone else's take. You're always against me.
Oh, people are so goofy.

Speaker 1 So, we do have an update on this one. Ooh, you guys really need to chill, lol.
Oh, I'm not going to divorce my husband because he made a joke that didn't land. That's not how marriage works.

Speaker 1 I'm curious how many people

Speaker 1 said divorce because it's not in any of the top 20 comments.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but maybe like for someone who doesn't do internet stuff a lot, if they are getting a bunch of comments, they're probably reading every single one.

Speaker 1 So the first mention of divorce is talking about how their dad did shit like this in his 40s, did did not have any friends, got divorced over it because he got to the point that his wife would cry in the shower.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 That's the first mention of divorce.

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, I guess if you like took this one instance and then put a lot more other things on it, like he doesn't respect your boundaries or he's childish or like he doesn't respect that you're a tired mother or changing a baby's diet.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, you could look more into it and potentially like that could be the case in this relationship and it could be true, but I don't think we or these people have enough context about who they are as people or as a couple to like

Speaker 2 look to that much deeper. Yeah.
To just the act of, like, pantsing her one time.

Speaker 1 Well, and if it's a one-off.

Speaker 2 Although he wants two more.

Speaker 1 He's really into it.

Speaker 2 But he's waiting for the votes.

Speaker 1 So OP goes on to say, oh, in an ironic twist, I have decided we are now a pantsing house.

Speaker 2 Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 I will pants him as often as humanly possible, and I will be wearing dresses to make myself invincible. Thanks for the terrible advice.

Speaker 1 Although I do agree that no means no, I just don't think it's that deep here. My husband is a really good guy and genuinely hilarious, making the whole family laugh.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to let him do his thing.

Speaker 2 Wait, this is funny because this kind of brought them together. This like...
I feel like the other people's opinions actually made them care about each other's opinions more. I love that.

Speaker 1 I also think it's hilarious that like she's playing chess and he's just playing checkers. Like I'm going to pants him.
I'm going to get him back and I'm going to wear dresses.

Speaker 1 So it's impossible to pants me.

Speaker 2 I used to do that when I was a kid because my dad would, do you know what like a Zerbert is?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 It's like the belly, like a like

Speaker 2 on someone's belly. Raspberries.
Yeah. And I hope I hated it.
I hated it. So I would wear onesies all the time as a child because I didn't want him to give me

Speaker 2 just locking it up. So

Speaker 2 I know all about that. You wear certain clothing and people can't fuck with you.
Oh my gosh, that is wild.

Speaker 1 Those little raspberries. I hate being tickled.
And there was a comment that mentioned it on here. Yeah.
Like when people tickle you, or did you ever have your brother?

Speaker 1 This is, my brother was so mean. He would like sit on me and then do like the typewriter.

Speaker 2 He would do things similar to that.

Speaker 1 Or like, did you ever get a snake twist on your arm? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else was there? People were so mean. The ABC game.

Speaker 2 Which one is that again? It was familiar.

Speaker 1 You would have to like go through the alphabet and someone else would scratch you. And you'd have to be like, A, uh, Albert, B, Bob,

Speaker 2 Charlie,

Speaker 1 Delphinia. Like, you'd have to, like, go through the alphabet.
And like, sometimes you'd get stuck. And they just kept scratching and scratching.

Speaker 2 I didn't know about that one. Yeah.
I knew about like...

Speaker 2 I don't think I want to say the name of what it was where they slap someone multiple times. The red light game? Maybe.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm like, now, damn, that one sounds bad too.

Speaker 2 Why, why do we do this as kids? Why are we so-I don't know. Why were so many the games about like physical pain?

Speaker 2 Although I do know that, like, play fighting releases endorphins or one of those, one of those things.

Speaker 1 It's really good to like play fight with a father-like figure as a kid or something.

Speaker 2 There's like

Speaker 2 the play rest of the play.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So maybe even though it hurts, it does release good stuff.
So you want to keep doing it?

Speaker 1 Let us know, child psychologists. Let us know.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's move along and get into this nudist one.

Speaker 2 Woo, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 So this is seven days old. It's coming from True Off My Chest, titled, My Brother Doesn't Understand Why I Won't Come to a Naturist Resort for His Wedding.

Speaker 2 I see.

Speaker 1 My philosophy is that I don't care what others do as long as someone isn't hurting or infringing on my rights or the rights of others.

Speaker 1 Whatever consenting adults do in their private lives is none of my concern. This extends to my brother and his fiancé being naturists.

Speaker 1 However, I do take an issue with them being angry that I won't attend their wedding. They are having their wedding and reception at a naturist resort.

Speaker 1 They met there, and I understand it holds significance for them. I even checked if nudity is a requirement for the ceremony and reception, or if it's regular wedding attire.

Speaker 1 It's a requirement to be nude, though,

Speaker 1 just like all other times at the resort. I've offered to pay for a separate reception for them, however.
This just made them even angrier.

Speaker 1 I'm not comfortable being in nude in front of a large crowd of strangers, either at the wedding or in the resort period.

Speaker 1 I was asked to be a bridesmaid, even though I don't know my brother's fiancé well enough to be friends. I moved to Darwin Darwin from Adelaide for work before my brother met her.

Speaker 1 I'm definitely not comfortable walking up the aisle arm in arm with a groomsman I've never met when we're both nude.

Speaker 1 Or standing in front of everyone during the ceremony or being in all photographs when I'm nude.

Speaker 2 But everyone just can have.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 1 My brother's fiancé said if she looked like me, she would go nude all the time.

Speaker 2 Well, doesn't she?

Speaker 1 But it's it's not about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, what? You do it either way.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying being a naturist is wrong. I'm not saying they should not get married at a naturist resort.
I'm just uncomfortable with attending the wedding if I'm required to be nude for it.

Speaker 1 I don't know about his fiancé's family, but some of my siblings and cousins or their spouses are also uncomfortable. My parents are no longer with us, so I can't ask them for advice.

Speaker 1 I'm just wanting to get off my chest how I feel about my brother brother not understanding my discomfort with this.

Speaker 2 This sounds like my worst nightmare.

Speaker 1 No, no chance.

Speaker 2 This actually sounds like, and I'm sure there are so many people out there who are like, this wouldn't be a problem for me. Good for you.
And that's so fine. And like, you can go to those weddings.

Speaker 1 Teach your own, baby.

Speaker 2 People, no, no.

Speaker 2 I wasn't even comfortable in like girls' locker rooms, like, privately in school. No.
I would like go to the bathroom and change like hide in a corner. Even now.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Still.

Speaker 1 Even now, I'm not like I'm a towel around me, slit my underwear on, turn around, yeah.

Speaker 2 My bra. I'm like, I'm also like that.
I can't. I don't have that.

Speaker 2 I'm not, I'm not the audience for the nudist wedding. I'm not the participant for the nudist wedding.

Speaker 2 The fact that, like, oh my God, first of all, just being there would be too much for me, but then everyone having nude pictures of me who would like who attended, that is also not

Speaker 2 happening, not a thing. Oh my God.
I just can't.

Speaker 1 And I'm so I wanted to see, like at the mention of pictures just now, I wanted to see if there's any nude wedding photos on Google.

Speaker 2 Oh, oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 I will not be putting them on YouTube because I do not want the video to get taken down. If you want to see them for yourself, it's a quick, easy Google search.
Nudest wedding.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 okay, Adam and Eve.

Speaker 1 So this wedding party tastefully puts the flower arrangements in front of the women's breasts.

Speaker 2 And it like sort of drapes down to the under the crotch area. Yes, well to the

Speaker 2 under regions. But

Speaker 1 the thing that does look kind of weird is

Speaker 1 the guys standing like very behind the women.

Speaker 2 Right. The women are almost covering, well, they are.
They're covering the men's under regions with their own backsides. And it's very intimate.

Speaker 2 To be that close to someone that I've been pushed together with, I think I would have a panic attack, actually.

Speaker 2 This really sounds like my nightmare. I can't.

Speaker 1 I like literally can't. Holy smokes.
This must be the same wedding because look at how many people there are.

Speaker 2 Do you think if they survive? Do you think if their parents were still alive, it would make them less likely to want, or do you think they wouldn't care?

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 think if parents were around still,

Speaker 1 they might not

Speaker 1 be so like we're only doing the nude wedding and the nude wedding only.

Speaker 1 I feel like then they probably would have given in to like two receptions.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, do you think that they would feel weirder about trying to force their parents to show up nude? Or would they? Probably. I don't know if maybe if you have that mindset, you don't even.

Speaker 1 I would.

Speaker 1 This is a huge thing, you guys.

Speaker 2 There are so many nude weddings.

Speaker 1 There are so many nude wedding pictures.

Speaker 1 Like, this lady has two big daisies. It was on the news.
New TLC show Buy Naked about nudists will only show bare rear ends. Every shot of the front of the woman has like flowers blocking her boobs.

Speaker 2 Man, TLC has everything. They've got every kind of show.
TLC is wild.

Speaker 1 They're never going out of business.

Speaker 2 They find the funniest. This isn't like as niche as, well, I guess it is because it's nude wedding specifically, but they find the most niche people and like communities.

Speaker 1 I'm obsessed. The one, I'll never get over the story about the guy, like my crazy, strange obsession, and he was in love with his car and would get under it and like make love.

Speaker 2 I love that story. And by the way, the blue Porsche from the movie Cars, she's a gorgeous, you know, the cartoon you've ever seen? Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 Of course, I know what you're talking about, but I, this is like one of those things where it's like, well, she's a beautiful woman. What's like a

Speaker 1 character that like just has like attraction and spirit the Horse comes up a lot. Yes, yes, I get that one.

Speaker 2 That, oh my God, because I made a guess who board based on everyone at the party's cartoon Sexual Awakening, and Spirit the Horse was on there.

Speaker 1 Spirit the Horse. I don't know if that was mine.
I'm trying to think what mine was, but I definitely had the hots for the horse.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like Simba's a big one.

Speaker 1 Simba was huge.

Speaker 2 That like little the Red Riding Hood guy.

Speaker 2 He was a cartoon as well. Yeah, lots of cartoon.
I mean,

Speaker 2 there are some weirder ones, like some My Little Pony types. Okay.
But it's not that weird compared to all the options. There's just something about it.

Speaker 2 Did anyone have Shrek? No one had Shrek.

Speaker 1 That kind of surprises me because I could feel some people being super into Shrek.

Speaker 2 I bet maybe they were too embarrassed to say. Maybe people are scared to admit.
I could see it. But, you know, moral of the story is I don't blame those people for wanting to have a nudist wedding.

Speaker 2 No. I don't blame them for having that be a meaningful experience for them, the most meaningful.
It's your wedding. You should do whatever you want to do for your wedding.
But you cannot expect

Speaker 2 other people ever in general to be naked if they don't want to be naked. That's just very basic.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I feel like they're.

Speaker 1 like the brothers just like kind of almost being like reverse shamey where it's like what do you mean just be nude.

Speaker 1 But it's like

Speaker 1 you're not respecting their choice, they're respecting yours, actually.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 They're saying, like, have your wedding where you want it, how you want it. That's cool.
I'll just pay for one, another one. You get bonus, bonus reception.

Speaker 1 Like, make everyone comfortable, have a good time. Also, I always wonder with people that are naturist,

Speaker 1 you have to put clothes on to go to the grocery store. Yeah.
So, there's certain societal expectations still that are in place. Like, why are you expecting others to

Speaker 1 not live life the way they find comfortably?

Speaker 2 I don't know. Right.
It's interesting. I'm usually on the side of the people having the wedding.
I think, like, for a day like that, you can have your expectations.

Speaker 2 You can ask people to do things that they might not like. Wasn't there like a puppet wedding? Yeah.
There was a puppet, and you know, people were giving them shit.

Speaker 2 And I was like, if they want to have a puppet wedding, that's that's their

Speaker 2 prerogative, prerogative.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that one's so old, too. Yeah, Yeah, they wanted puppets, but like they were, I think

Speaker 1 they were making their guests buy expensive puppets.

Speaker 2 Was that the thing? Oh, that was the kicker. And it's like, they're like really nice, expensive puppets.

Speaker 1 Let your guests just even handmake them. And then it's a beautiful memory.

Speaker 2 Rayra rights. Yeah.
Nudity, puppets.

Speaker 1 Weddings bring out some weird stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Top comment on this one. They're probably pissed.
You're just another person who is refusing to come. And since you're family, it's easier to guilt you.

Speaker 1 That's true. They're probably receiving a lot of pushback, just like

Speaker 1 RSVP, no. RSVP, no.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I wonder how many people of my friends would be willing to do that. I think a fair number of them would,

Speaker 2 but it wouldn't, but it wouldn't be all of the people that I love and would want to come to something like that.

Speaker 1 My friends and family would hit me with a rock. Like, there's no way they'd be like, Are you okay?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 absolutely not. That's how you could save on food costs at a wedding.

Speaker 1 If you want to get rid of people from your guest list, nude wedding. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're like, well, I invited you.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 2 I invited all of you. It's not my fault you didn't come.

Speaker 1 You could have enjoyed my wedding. You just chose not to.
God, that in itself is triggering.

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Speaker 1 Are you ready for your story?

Speaker 2 My story? Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 You guys, I've prepared a story.

Speaker 1 I am ready.

Speaker 2 I'm interested to see if you've already read this. Okay.
Because it actually is very triggering. I think it would fit the theme.
Okay, here we go. All right.
Am I the asshole?

Speaker 2 And this is from the Am I the Asshole subreddit. Okay.
For being rude to my stepdaughter and banning her from eating with the family. I have two stepdaughters, Scarlett, 18 and Ava 16.

Speaker 2 Scarlett is an amazing singer.

Speaker 2 She's been in some kind of voice lesson since she was 10 and just graduated from one of the best performing arts schools in the state, where she went on a full scholarship since sixth grade.

Speaker 2 She has a YouTube channel where she sings and she's starting to make money from and was accepted into some very prestigious music schools.

Speaker 2 Additionally, she's been working paid gigs for the last two years and makes at least $500 to $1,000 per week more in the summers. She's even been the opening artist at a few concerts.

Speaker 2 I'm not trying to brag. I'm just saying she's an objectively good singer.
Ava, on the other hand, is not a good singer.

Speaker 2 She likes to believe she is, and she might become one if she actually stuck with voice lessons or choir classes, but she always quits after one to two weeks because they're bullying her, quote unquote.

Speaker 2 And then in parentheses, giving constructive feedback. I've seen the notes her classmates and teachers give her.
Ava also likes to sing very loudly and or at bad times.

Speaker 2 For example, if she feels that we're too quiet at the dinner table, she starts to loudly sing. It doesn't sound good and I honestly don't know how she doesn't hear it.

Speaker 2 If you ask her to stop, she keeps going. And if you're blunt and say to stop that she doesn't sound good slash, we don't want to hear it, she keeps going and gets even louder just to annoy you.
Oh no.

Speaker 2 If we're in the car and don't let her choose the songs, she'll loudly sing whatever she wants, not what's playing, to annoy us and responds the same way to us telling her to stop.

Speaker 2 The only person she listens to is her dad. A few weeks ago, we were trying to eat, and she was singing again.
I told her to stop and she refused, so I took her plate and told her,

Speaker 2 from now on, she is no longer allowed to eat at my table. She can eat in her room, the backyard, her car, the garage, wherever she wants, as long as we can't hear her from the dining room.

Speaker 2 The backyard, and this will continue until she can behave appropriately at the table. My husband and I argued about it, but he's not home for dinner, so there's not much he can do about it.

Speaker 2 Today, she was eating lunch with us and started singing again.

Speaker 2 I told her to stop and she didn't listen, so I again took her plate and told her to eat somewhere where we can't hear her if she doesn't want to act appropriately.

Speaker 2 Ava argued that she's a better singer than Scarlett and that Scarlett sings all the time.

Speaker 2 I was done with her bullshit, so I asked her how many times someone other than her dad has actually asked her to sing, not even paying her to be there, just ask her to sing, or how many performing art schools she's gotten accepted to.

Speaker 2 She's applied to many. She started to cry and my husband wants me to apologize for being rude to her and is insisting I allow her to eat with the family again.
Am I the asshole?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How old was Ava again?

Speaker 2 Ava is 16, and the older daughter is 18.

Speaker 1 It's hard because the way this is written, it's giving Scarlett is the golden child. Yes.
And Ava is just like kind of like.

Speaker 2 A whole paragraph at the beginning about how amazing Scarlett is, how wonderful and talented and incredible she is. And then

Speaker 2 the younger one is very attention-seeking.

Speaker 1 Ava sucks, basically. Yeah.
Ava's the worst singer. Ava sounds like dying animals.
Yeah. Nails on a chalkboard.
Ava's terrible. Like it just almost like kept going on and on.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, no wonder she's trying to get your attention because you dote on your other daughter and think this one is worse than mud. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, of course, she's just trying to like be praised in some way. And it's like, if you paid her attention and were like, Ava, that's great.

Speaker 1 Like, I think you should keep going in your lessons to really hone your craft. Maybe she wouldn't quit.
Maybe she wouldn't be singing non-stop. Maybe she wouldn't sing the wrong song.

Speaker 1 Like, she's clearly seeking attention because she doesn't get any.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's clearly a dynamic here that is at play behind the scenes that the writer isn't really telling us about, but is also telling us about by just phrasing the older daughter for sentences and sentences.

Speaker 2 I was like almost going to skip it, but like it adds to the dynamic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it does. It's kind of one of those read between the lines where you're kind of deducing, is it annoying? Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Would it drive me up a wall? 100%.

Speaker 1 And I think maybe saying, like, you know, Ava, you're going to have to eat in your room tonight until you can realize like it's just inappropriate to sing nonstop at the table. Yes.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, if Scarlett is sitting there singing at the table too,

Speaker 1 then Ava should be able to sing.

Speaker 2 Yes. Even if she's bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There's so many like parents that have to lie to their kids, telling their kids that their art or blah, blah, blah is beautiful and great and it actually sucks.

Speaker 1 That also kind of comes with being a parent. Yeah.
And building your kid up, not. tearing them down.

Speaker 2 There are so many other ways to do it where you could mention like, you know, if you committed to your lessons more, then maybe like,

Speaker 2 you could also be at these gigs like Scarlet or, you know, just saying like the commitment aspect maybe is what is missing instead of saying you don't sound good, or like, who listens to you?

Speaker 2 Who would ever

Speaker 2 ask you to sing for them before? Like, that's so mean. That is really mean.

Speaker 2 The top comment was: Something tells me she's doing this to try and get attention. How obvious is it that you're so proud of her sister? How much praise and attention does she get?

Speaker 2 And how often is that done in front of Ava? This sounds incredibly obnoxious, but something tells me there's a reason she's doing it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. We're on the same page.

Speaker 1 I could have seen it go either way, especially with Reddit. Sometimes I could have seen it go.

Speaker 1 I could have seen it go, like, no, not the asshole. Like, she should learn her lesson and realize it's obnoxious.
So I'm glad other people are kind of picking up.

Speaker 1 Like, maybe it's a you thing that you're creating this like toxic competition between your two kids.

Speaker 2 I think if she had worded it a different way, people would have been on her side. Yeah.
But because it was so obvious, and like this is a child

Speaker 2 who is clearly like crying out literally for love and for attention and for praise. Like, obviously, there's some bitterness and there's some jealousy there.

Speaker 2 And that's not a great quality, but it's hard to avoid having. Like, it's not her fault for having that.

Speaker 1 No, I feel like that's natural. And thinking about the way I looked up to my older brother, of course, she's going to look up to her older sister.
And she's a great singer. So I want to sing.

Speaker 1 Like, I want to be like my older sister.

Speaker 1 Even if it's not her thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's, it's because of the way the mom has also treated the sister, put her on this pedestal that she sees this as her only way to get attention, love, whatever she's looking for.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's like, singing is the route to praise and attention from my parents. Yes.
Another comment is: everyone sucks here.

Speaker 2 Ava, just because she's annoying, she sounds annoying, AF, and you, because you're a parent and she's a child, and you've seemingly repeatedly told her she's not good at something she's passionate about and not in a nice way.

Speaker 2 Encourage her to follow other pursuits and definitely continue to enforce that it's inappropriate to loudly sing when people want a quiet meal.

Speaker 2 But brutally laying out that she's rubbish at the one thing she's passionate about and rubbing in her failure to succeed is pretty harsh, especially when it's coming from a parental figure, especially when it's followed up with, now go and eat alone.

Speaker 2 And then the OP responded that she's tried soccer and she's actually good at it, but refuses to try out for the school team.

Speaker 2 And with her tendency to quit after a couple weeks because the teacher tried to teach, we're not going to pay for her to join a club team.

Speaker 2 It just sounds like there is a dynamic at home that's creating a really big insecurity

Speaker 2 in this child. And like, even if she is good at stuff, she's...
I feel like she's scared to really try and fail because that'll be more embarrassing than not trying and failing. 100%.

Speaker 2 Because she's set up to this standard of like a perfect older sister. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was a quitter. Like I did soccer, quit.

Speaker 2 I did hockey, quit.

Speaker 1 I did volleyball, quit. I just, I don't know what it was.
I think I had like performance anxiety, like public performance anxiety.

Speaker 1 And like having to like play a game in front of people, like the thought, nope. Like I did dance too.
And I literally quit right before the.

Speaker 1 the end of the year recital because I didn't want to dance in front of other people. I loved going to dance.
I loved the community and doing it, but I didn't want to get out there and perform.

Speaker 1 Like the fear of failure or embarrassing myself was like way bigger than my love of doing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And then imagine that plus, like all of these people watching already probably know the reputation of your older sister who's like opening for concerts and getting paid for gigs.

Speaker 2 And they're like, oh, here comes the ugly duckling or like the black sheep of the family. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's hard to live up to that.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, she's annoying. I was so annoying too in high school sometimes.
I think,

Speaker 2 yeah, I think so. But I was like a theater kid.

Speaker 1 It was so cute. I was the horse girl.
I feel like theater kid, horse girl, we're walking to a bar.

Speaker 2 We're right there.

Speaker 1 Two peas in a pod.

Speaker 2 So I think she's the asshole. I would agree.
And that's what Reddit said. I would agree.
They labeled it asshole.

Speaker 1 Was there any updates?

Speaker 2 Well, the OP did reply

Speaker 2 a couple times.

Speaker 1 Trying to defend or did she?

Speaker 2 Really just defending her point. Like just saying,

Speaker 2 we've tried. It never works.
At some point with her, I feel like you just have to be blunt. And then someone replied to her, being like, You're blunt about the wrong things, though.

Speaker 2 Blunt is refuting her claims with Ava to be as good as Scarlett, you'd have to put the same sustained effort in. She has raw talent means nothing if you don't work to develop it.

Speaker 2 Or no, Ava, Scarlett doesn't sing all the time because she understands that it's rude to sing while everyone's eating dinner. Blunt is not merely, no, no one wants to hear you sing.

Speaker 2 So, really, she was just doubling down. Damn.
Yeah, I don't know if, like, maybe now she's thinking about it more, though.

Speaker 1 Maybe

Speaker 1 that is a good point too. It's like you're your point isn't necessarily wrong.
It's it's how you're delivering it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like well Scarlett's so good because of all the years and effort she's put in. Yeah.
If you put that same amount of time and energy in, you could be at that level.

Speaker 2 Right. Instead of saying like, well, people pay to hear Scarlett sing and no one's ever even asked you to sing before.

Speaker 1 Like, well, has she had the opportunities? Who's seen her? You know, it's, yeah.

Speaker 1 This is an interesting one. I hope I get an update on this one, actually.

Speaker 2 I know, I really do. I would love it because

Speaker 2 I, these, this didn't happen in a vacuum, and I feel like this parent is sort of seeing it as it did, and then everyone else who's reading this can so clearly tell it.

Speaker 2 And I feel like sometimes you need other people to see what you're seeing and get that different perspective to realize, like, oh shit, maybe this is something deeper that I haven't considered.

Speaker 2 And she's not just an obnoxious brat who's doing this for no reason whatsoever, except to annoy me. Her last comment on Reddit is two days ago, and it's got negative 67 points.

Speaker 2 And it's saying, at a certain point, maintaining a relationship becomes a two-way street.

Speaker 2 If a teenager decides that they want to be repeatedly disrespectful to an adult, they shouldn't be surprised that they don't have a relationship. That's her last, like, most recent comment.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 Oh, so wild.

Speaker 2 And another comment was like, she has found something she's good at.

Speaker 2 She just expects us to pay hundreds for club soccer instead of her school team when she hasn't shown us that she won't quit after two weeks.

Speaker 1 How much do you pay for the other kids' singing lessons? Yeah. Give it a shot.

Speaker 2 She just like has no expectations for her. She has like the worst expectations for her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's like kind of assuming the worst in her character. And it's like, give her a chance.
And then if she quits the club team, then that's the last time you pay for any extracurriculars.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she says, give her a chance. And she said Scarlett doesn't sing at the table, by the way.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So that's like a point I would make then, like, how that one comment even said, like, Scarlett doesn't sing at the table, though.

Speaker 2 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 We would just appreciate it if dinner could be a nice, relaxing time. Maybe we have a conversation, but you know, the singing at the table is not enjoyable for everyone.

Speaker 2 You can put on a concert for all of us once a week and we'll listen to you at a set of time. Like, we'll get popcorn.
But would she even be willing to do that? Like, I'm not sure. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You know, we need an update on this one. We'll be waiting.
OP, if you're listening, update and get your shit together.

Speaker 2 Her username is literally A-I-T-A Loudsing.

Speaker 2 She made it just for this. Just for this.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Get it together, lady. Poor kid.
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Speaker 1 This is a little vintage. It is originally coming from October 28, 2015.

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 1 It's titled, A Year Ago, I, 27 female, broke up with my lying boyfriend, 27 male. Today, I found out that everyone was lying and he was being truthful.

Speaker 2 Wait.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's set this scene. Like, Imagine Dragons is on the radio.

Speaker 2 Radio acts. Miley Cyrus is just starting to act out, and you're like, what's going on? This is

Speaker 1 a year ago, I was about to move in with my first serious boyfriend, Josh, with whom I was head over heels in love with, when one of my closest friends said that Josh had shown them a nude photo of me on his phone when he was drunk during a party.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Five or six more of my friends corroborated the story and told me that Josh also talked in extreme detail about our sex life when showing this photo. It was sickeningly detailed.

Speaker 1 This did not sound like Josh at all. When I asked him what the fuck was going on, he denied everything.

Speaker 1 He eventually got very angry and started calling all of my friends liars. At one point, he showed up at my place while some of them were visiting, and things got a little physical.

Speaker 1 It was really a very strange turn of events in my life. Josh seemed so worked up, and all of my close friends were calling him a liar.

Speaker 1 Josh had taken photos of me on his phone, which I know was stupid, but he to the moment and everything. So I trusted my friends, and I broke up with Josh.
It was very heart-wrenching.

Speaker 1 Josh begged me to believe him. He started tearing up, nearly punched the wall, and left angrily.
I was really grossed out at the time, and I felt super conflicted.

Speaker 1 A few months later, I started dating one of the friends in the group, Alex,

Speaker 1 who had told me about Josh showing everyone the photo.

Speaker 1 All of my friends were pushing me to date Alex at the time. We didn't really sync, and it just didn't go past a few months.
We remained friends of sorts.

Speaker 1 So today, another friend sends me a message that says he just wanted to get something off of his chest.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 The story about Josh wasn't true. And they were really trying to get me to date Alex.
So they made the story that Josh showed nudes completely up.

Speaker 1 After talking to a few of the other people, including Alex, it's all come out that they were lying. It was this fucking orchestrated bullshit event that totally changed my life forever.

Speaker 1 Apparently, they hated Josh and thought he was bad for me and an asshole. That was my fucking decision to make.
I'm shaking right now. I cried in the office bathroom for about two hours afterwards.

Speaker 1 I loved Josh so much. We were planning a life together.
And I've been friends with that group since high school. What the fuck?

Speaker 1 I guess I'm supposed to stop talking to my friends, right? I cannot possibly come back from this and still talk to them, right?

Speaker 1 This basically nukes my group of friends, but how could I ever look at them again? Also, I need closure with Josh. Can I call him? Should I call him? Should I unblock him on Facebook and message him?

Speaker 1 What do I do?

Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 Wait, to clarify the timeline, so did she find this information out like nine years later?

Speaker 1 It appears it was a year later.

Speaker 2 How old were

Speaker 2 they again when this happened?

Speaker 1 27 female.

Speaker 1 27 female when this happened.

Speaker 2 These were like grown adults.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and friends since high school that could be 18 17 16 15 so like it's likely at least 10 years of friendship 10 years this is so deeply fucked up like this is so

Speaker 2 manipulative and like they were trying to control her in a way like to also put her together with this other guy like they tried to like take someone out put someone else in like she's a little barbie doll and they could like switch out the kens for her.

Speaker 2 Like, she isn't a real person. And if he really is like a shitty guy and a shitty boyfriend, and all of her friends felt that way, they could use real examples if that were the case.

Speaker 2 They could have used like, yes, this is why we think he sucks.

Speaker 2 Like, we all want to come to you and tell you we don't think he's a good guy because he said this and that and whatever, but they couldn't do that. They used a made-up story.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's weird. I also think it's weird that Alex, the guy that they wanted OP to date,

Speaker 1 was the one that then was like, here's the nudes. Like, you're, he showed me these nudes of you.
Right. Like, he was,

Speaker 1 do you, how does the group not see like, you guys, this, this is the manipulative shit of a good guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is manipulation. This is lying.
This is backstabbing. This is gaslighting.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Sorry. This is so fucked up.

Speaker 1 This is, this feels like psychological torture. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You would be so

Speaker 2 messed up for so long in your head about like if people are telling you the truth because there is no world in which I would ever believe that a whole group of six to seven of my closest friends would lie to me no and then the damage that that would do to figure out that they did

Speaker 1 wait so did she do we know if she talked to Josh and like told him so the top comment on the the post holy shit yes at the very least these people need to not be a part of your life ever again fuck nuke the friends Find new friends.

Speaker 1 Even a life of bitter, friendless loneliness is better than one that involves these people.

Speaker 1 Make no exception. Cut all contact.
So gross. As for Josh, you should reach out to him.
You owe him an apology for how things went down.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this will mean anything further will happen, but the conversation should be at least be him learning the truth about what went down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unblock him from Facebook and write a long letter. If this goes unanswered, attempt to get the message to him through one of his friends.

Speaker 2 Good luck. I mean, I agree that she should apologize to Josh, but I don't think she did anything wrong in believing this situation.

Speaker 1 No, it's kind of like you can only process with like what's in front of you. Yeah.
And when you have six people against one, like right, six people that you spent like 10 years with.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm, I get that it sucks that she didn't believe him and he was telling the truth and like

Speaker 1 that put him in a bad situation, but they're they're the ones who did that to him not her yeah and this this is like one thing i have an issue with with op and this might be like tomato tomato

Speaker 1 closure might be the same as apology but i don't think josh like owes op anything right i don't think josh owes you closure like for op to be like i want to reach out to josh and like I need closure with Josh.

Speaker 1 I hope closure is like you apologizing. Yeah.
And like, because at the same time, like that was who you saw life with. You were moving in together.
You were maybe envisioning marriage.

Speaker 1 Like you should trust your partner. And if you don't trust, like obviously you break up, which they did.

Speaker 1 But at the same time, like, it doesn't sound like you really hurt him out. I don't know.

Speaker 2 From his perspective, it's devastating. Yeah.
From both of their perspectives, it's devastating. Yeah.
Like the breakup.

Speaker 2 Would have been devastating for both of them, but like also yeah to not be believed in the person that you love the most and like trust the most in this world, who's the partner that you're planning your life with, and like to be telling them and crying at them that this isn't true, and you didn't do this, and you wouldn't do this.

Speaker 2 Like, that's got to be so, so painful.

Speaker 2 And then the bonus pain of like a year later being like, haha, just kidding, it's actually everyone that you've ever cared about as a friend who lied to you, but sorry, you've already lost your partner.

Speaker 2 So, like, you just get to lose everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's so sad. I don't know.
I, do you,

Speaker 1 do you feel she should reach out to Josh?

Speaker 2 I feel like if it were me, if I were Josh, this would be vindicating for me.

Speaker 2 Like, I do think I would want to know that someone out there doesn't think a horrible lie about me, but that doesn't mean like he owes her a response, he owes her.

Speaker 2 any kind of conversation about it or getting back together with her or anything of that nature. I don't think like

Speaker 2 it's beyond repair if he feels like he could repair. Like if he felt like it wasn't her fault.
Yeah. I don't think like she did a terrible thing, but it had terrible consequences.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's just sad.

Speaker 1 Someone goes, this is like a highlighted comment on the original. Yeah, I'm with you.
Just reading this story leaves me fuming. I was totally empathizing with Josh, but come on.

Speaker 1 OP is entirely in the clear here. It's a baseless accusation accusation when one friend says it, when an entire circle whom at the time were trusted with no reason to suspect otherwise all agree.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's at all unreasonable to believe them.

Speaker 1 Imagine it the other way, that they were telling the truth. Josh lied and she stuck with him only finding out now.

Speaker 1 Everyone would be calling her a moron for disregarding the opinion of multiple trusted friends.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's such a good point.

Speaker 1 Josh owes her nothing and is quite right to be angry at her for not trusting him and at the friends for being utter, utter scum. But his anger being justified doesn't mean she was in the wrong.

Speaker 1 They're both victims.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's exactly how I feel. Because it's not like, do you trust me or this one other person? Yeah.
It's do you trust me or like seven

Speaker 2 corroborating groups?

Speaker 2 Like, that's how our justice system would work. The jury of your peers.
Literally. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like one eyewitness, maybe they could be lying, but like they have a vested interest or so she thought in her well-being.

Speaker 1 This is, I'm blown away by this.

Speaker 2 No, this would do a numb. This would do many numbers on me.
This would do at least seven numbers on me.

Speaker 1 Your trust in friends is like shattered forever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, ever. And then also, now she's got this whole thing in her head of like, have I lost the person that I was meant to be with? And she's going to compare every future partner to that guy.

Speaker 2 And like, it's going to change the way that she remembers him to be like, he's the one that got away. He's the one I fuck things up with.

Speaker 2 Like, he's going to constantly be this scale that she's comparing other people to.

Speaker 2 So sad. She definitely is the one who suffers the most, but I also feel really bad for Josh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Definitely. Oh, my God.
Envisioning the rest of your life, like the one that got away.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Ugh.

Speaker 1 So we do get an update. Oh, good.
So the update came about a week later. So still 2015.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Even though everyone seemed to think it was a terrible idea, I sent Josh an email on Friday. I copied it here.

Speaker 1 Josh, I don't know if if you are still connected to anyone on Facebook, but if you are, you probably already know why I'm sending this.

Speaker 1 And I know it is totally unfair and selfish to contact you, but I cannot imagine going through the rest of my life without apologizing.

Speaker 1 So, before I say a bunch of embarrassing things, more than anything, I want to say that I am sorry I did not trust you. I am sorry I let other people decide our relationship.

Speaker 1 I am sorry for what I put you through. But I figure this might be my only chance to say this.
So, here comes the really lame, embarrassing stuff.

Speaker 1 I spent the past day thinking about the past year, where I would be if I believed you, what my life would be like. Would we be engaged? Would we be married?

Speaker 1 I'm not over you. I want to try again.
I'm not asking you to marry me, but if you ever find yourself thirsty, I would love to buy you a beverage of your choice. I want to talk to you again.

Speaker 1 I miss everything about our relationship. I miss you getting annoyed when I stole your french fries.
I miss fighting with you over money. I miss making you breakfast.

Speaker 1 I miss watching the office with you over and over and over. I miss you.
My information is still the same. I would not blame you if you ignored and deleted this.

Speaker 1 Just know that I know I am really sorry. So I sent it and I tried to take my mind off of it.
Just writing it and sending it was extremely cathartic.

Speaker 1 I spent Saturday morning sitting around watching old movies. when someone rang my doorbell.

Speaker 2 Wait, stop. Okay, wait.
This is crazy. I'm crying.
This is like a movie.

Speaker 1 Assuming it was Amazon, I ignored it and waited for the delivery driver to leave so that I could sneak out and grab the package. I was in my robe.

Speaker 1 After a minute or two, I walked over to the door and looked through the hole. It was Josh.

Speaker 2 Stop, wait, you're kidding. You're lying to me.
You're not even being serious right now.

Speaker 1 Obviously, my heart leapt into my throat. I had been compulsively checking my phone for a response, but I was not expecting something like that.

Speaker 1 Everything in my house, including me, was pretty disheveled. I cracked to the door, smiled, said hi, and told him that I had to get dressed really quick.
What a terrible interaction.

Speaker 1 So I ran around my place, throwing shit in corners, pulled my hair back, found something to wear, and went back to the door. Quote, I'm here for that beverage.

Speaker 2 You're lying! You're lying to me. No!

Speaker 2 Morgan, I can't handle it. Oh my God, wait.

Speaker 2 I'm so emotionally invested in this.

Speaker 1 I only had orange juice and water, which was was also pretty embarrassing, but Josh stuck around anyways. He didn't ask many questions, really.

Speaker 1 I started to talk about the nude photo incident, but he said he didn't really care to talk about it. Quote, we both know all of the details now.

Speaker 1 The conversation eventually grew a bit aimless and we were just talking like old times. It was wonderful.
He asked if I was hungry. I wasn't really, but of course I said I was.
Stop.

Speaker 1 We went to a nearby burger place that we used to go to all the time. He did ask whether or not I had had dated Alex.
He didn't seem upset by my answer. I asked him if he had dated anyone.

Speaker 1 He had a six-month-long relationship in the interim. She sounded great, but I didn't pry.
When we got back to my place, Josh asked what I was doing the rest of the day. Quote, I don't have any plans.

Speaker 1 We spent the rest of the day together, then the night. It was totally stupid to move that fast, but I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it.
I'm feeling happy.

Speaker 1 We spent part of Sunday together too, then Tuesday, and Wednesday. We discussed what we were doing.
Quote, two single people dating each other was the consensus. Quote, exclusive, question mark? Yes.

Speaker 1 I think the world of him and will always regret what happened. No matter what, though, I'm extremely happy I sent the letter to him.

Speaker 1 It's interesting to think that if he had actually done what everyone accused him of and then I took him back, I would probably have trust issues. Now, obviously, I trust him to the core.

Speaker 1 He could tell me the world was flat and I'd have trouble questioning him. Just a weird thought I've been having.

Speaker 1 So that's the story. We are together again.

Speaker 2 Will it work out?

Speaker 1 I hope so. No matter what, things are better today than they were last week.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, my face hurts. My face hurts.

Speaker 1 Person here cheesing so hard.

Speaker 2 So happy.

Speaker 2 We

Speaker 2 wait. So there, is there a recent update too?

Speaker 1 I don't see it. No, this is just coming back into the light for some reason.

Speaker 1 I mean, now it's eight years old.

Speaker 2 I want to know if they're still together. Yeah.
But you know what? This is how every great story ends. It's like they're together now, and

Speaker 2 that's how the curtains fall.

Speaker 1 I'm so curious. I'm going to the account just to make sure there's nothing else.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 I mean, I hope he doesn't ever lie about anything because she would believe it now.

Speaker 1 I know, gosh, that's like the tough part about it. I'm not seeing any

Speaker 2 updates. I love that they got back together.
I, again, like, I disagree with that first comment about how, like, she did something so terrible by not believing him. It was an unfortunate

Speaker 2 situation that wasn't in her control that I feel like most people would react react that way. And like you said,

Speaker 2 if someone were to react the opposite way, people would be calling her stupid and dumb and like ridiculous for not believing her friends in that situation. And

Speaker 2 I think they're soulmates. I think they're meant for each other.
I think this should be turned into a movie.

Speaker 1 This needs to be.

Speaker 1 I'm messaging OP right now.

Speaker 2 Please do.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I'd be okay with it if they aren't still together just for,

Speaker 2 you know, I feel like it's still a beautiful love story, but I don't know. I have faith in them.
I have hope for their

Speaker 2 relationship.

Speaker 1 What if they're married, like two kids?

Speaker 2 No, that's what I thought. I thought that that's what it, why it came back.
I thought it was like, it's nine years later and we're like, we have kids now or something.

Speaker 1 I fucking wish, like, why is this popping up now after eight years? It is kind of crazy, the sluice of Reddit, like, diving that deep.

Speaker 2 Maybe it came. This is my theory.
It came back because they're married now and there was a Facebook post and people remembered it.

Speaker 1 Oh, God, I hope so. I'm looking at posts on OP's account.
No additional posts. OP is still actively commenting from this account as of seven months ago.

Speaker 1 So hopefully we get a response to the message, but I'm not seeing anything. in relation to the post about Josh.

Speaker 2 That was like the perfect story.

Speaker 1 It was so good. How do we go on from here?

Speaker 2 I laughed. I cried.
I was heartbroken. My heart was put back together again.

Speaker 2 10 out of 10, five stars on Goodreads.

Speaker 2 Huge recommend

Speaker 2 Lincoln bio. Lincoln bio.

Speaker 1 I'm just like scanning through all these comments. I don't want to miss anything.

Speaker 2 I'm just like, oh,

Speaker 2 please give us something about you guys. We're engaged.

Speaker 1 But no, it just looks like there's stuff about like an arcade guide around the Dallas-Fort Worth area. So, Dallas people, if you know anyone familiar, this sounds like

Speaker 2 I would also be interested

Speaker 2 if she ever took any of her friends back, if she ever spoke to them again.

Speaker 1 Like even the one that did come clean

Speaker 1 and was like

Speaker 1 telling OP the truth.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because that's such a fucked up thing to do. I'm sure there's like at least one friend in the group, like the one who came forward forward who

Speaker 2 just had the mob mentality and like went along with it and has been guilty about it this whole time.

Speaker 2 I do think like people who don't feel guilt about something like that and aren't haunted by doing something like that scare me so much.

Speaker 1 Genuinely the most concerning people.

Speaker 2 Like if you do something wrong to someone, I feel like it should keep you up at night. Like I still think about

Speaker 2 things that have come off wrong that I said to people when I was like 12 years old. Like I'll randomly, it'll hit me in the middle of the night and I'll feel bad about it.

Speaker 2 But then, like, to have that person actively in your life and like constantly see them and not say something.

Speaker 1 Well, especially, I wonder if it came out finally because, like, things with Alex didn't work out anyways. Right.
And so it was like one of those things, like, well, they're not working out.

Speaker 1 So, why not tell her the truth?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I guess it was like a year before that guy came forward, which isn't like, it's not that, it's bad, but it's like, at least he didn't let it go.

Speaker 1 Well, and at least it was a year, and then OP got the chance. Like, God, the bar, the bar is in hell, right? But right, like, they're working out now, they're dating again.

Speaker 2 It's the only person who did do that out of all of these people who supposedly care about her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which the what are the odds on that? Like, one out of six? Fuck those people, yeah.

Speaker 2 And they had like some kind of pact about it, clearly

Speaker 1 crazy. This one blows me away.
I'm like, really hoping OP is

Speaker 1 listening or something, and just like, please, OP, let us know what happened with you and Josh.

Speaker 2 That's gob smacking. There you go.
I think all our gobs got smacked.

Speaker 1 Your gob got smacked.

Speaker 2 There you go.

Speaker 1 I was waiting for it to come back.

Speaker 2 I was waiting for it. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I just like, I can't, I just like need to sit here for a second.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I honestly feel like I just read one of the greatest romance novels.

Speaker 2 It was so good. He shows up at her door and he says, I'm here for that drink.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 Watpad is calling. Hello.
I'm here for that drink.

Speaker 2 When also, when you were telling that story and you said, like, something about the thirsty comment, I was expecting it to go a different direction.

Speaker 1 I thought it was like, you're thirsty, like, you're desperate for someone.

Speaker 2 Or if you're ever thirsty, yeah. Like, my door's open.
Yeah. Like, I'll be your booty colleague and I miss you.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, I really, I was like, wait, thirsty?

Speaker 1 Damn. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will say, I'm glad that OP sent the letter. I was just worried initially that it was going to be like

Speaker 1 closure, like you needed something from him. Right.
Versus like an apology. So I'm so, so happy about the way that that email.
That letter was written.

Speaker 2 Beautifully written. It was so good.
It was so kind. It was so compassionate and thoughtful.
And like, and then it got so sweet and romantic. And I was like, wait, I miss all of these.

Speaker 2 beautiful moments we have together like eating fry what i don't remember everything she said but i was just like i'll take you back i would take you back i would take it back yeah go go for it get it get it going girls get it going guys we should all be at their wedding i think we all deserve to be invited to their wedding

Speaker 2 yeah even if it were nudist i maybe would show up honestly this might be one i would strip for i'd consider can you do pasties at least that's a good point And like a nude underwear. Yeah.
And like

Speaker 2 they should allow that, I feel. I feel like that would be a good compromise.
Not to take it back to that reddit, but I feel like that actually is a really good idea.

Speaker 1 A nude thong, yeah, or like toned.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like nude underwear, nude bathing suit. I don't know.
It's a resort.

Speaker 1 I feel like if I could do a skin-toned thong, I would feel comfortable enough.

Speaker 2 Right, because then you wouldn't be like standing out. You would still look nude to the

Speaker 2 universe. Discerning eye.
I feel like that's what people want to see.

Speaker 1 My butt's here. For the most part.

Speaker 2 They'd love to see some boobs as well. Well, but like...
Well, no, but this isn't about wanting to see anything.

Speaker 1 On the bottom.

Speaker 2 But why do people go nude?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm. Is this just comfortable?

Speaker 2 I think it's freeing to them. I feel like...

Speaker 1 Fabric is itchy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and something, I think that's just like the mindset. It's definitely not sexual, though.
It's like

Speaker 2 we should interview.

Speaker 2 We should. A new

Speaker 2 colony. You certainly have one who's a listener, I'd imagine.

Speaker 1 We We have some nudists out there for sure. Let us know why and how you got into it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Give us the tea.
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Speaker 1 Well, this next one's, this next one's a little triggering, so we're going to have some whiplash. Okay.

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Speaker 1 Okay, this next one is coming from Am I the Asshole? It is titled, Am I the Asshole for Taking Away My Brother's Plus One and Inviting His Girlfriend Myself?

Speaker 1 I know I kind of am an asshole, but I need to know how bad it was. My brother is 29 and has been with Leah for about two years.
We all like her. She is super nice.

Speaker 1 I am getting married next April and sent an invite to my brother's apartment. We decided to send invites to households and not individuals.

Speaker 1 For example, our aunt received an invite for her family and not each individual.

Speaker 1 Last Thursday, we met at my parents' place. It was just the core family because of some tax reasons.

Speaker 2 LOL.

Speaker 1 While there, I asked my brother about Leah's dietary restrictions. I know that she is a vegetarian for health reasons and that she cannot have certain raw vegetables.

Speaker 1 He said that she wasn't going to come and that he was taking his girl best friend Amanda instead.

Speaker 1 Now, their relationship is weird as fuck. Amanda has always been stringing my brother along, in my opinion.
He always denies having feelings for her, but let's be real here.

Speaker 1 Amanda would date other guys, blow off my brother, then when things would decline with her partners, she would be attached to him again.

Speaker 1 Her last boyfriend broke up with her right around the time my brother, his then ex-girlfriend, Amanda, and her ex, were supposed to travel to Spain. What did my idiot brother do?

Speaker 1 Go with Amanda alone because Amanda was uncomfortable with his ex-girlfriend.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he acted blindsided when his then-girlfriend broke up with him.

Speaker 1 I don't even say anything anymore because it's all so weird. So, when he said that, I asked if Leah already had other plans.

Speaker 1 But my brother said that Amanda had asked if she could come because it would be an opportunity to finally see the old gang. We were in the same friend group in high school.

Speaker 1 I told him that I would have invited Amanda if I wanted her there.

Speaker 1 Amanda is mean and cold. She always makes disparaging comments about other girls.

Speaker 1 At every event, around one hour in, she will make some sort of scene that either has her running away crying or sitting mad at a table telling everyone to, quote, leave her alone, and then making a cryptic comment about something hurting her.

Speaker 1 I told my brother I was revoking his plus one, and Amanda was not coming to our wedding. He accused me of being misogynistic and bigoted because I don't understand opposite sex friendships,

Speaker 1 which is bullshit. My husband has a female childhood friend who is his best woman.
I love her too, and she has been amazing. All caps, and she respects fucking boundaries.

Speaker 1 She always includes me and made a huge effort when I started dating my fiancé to integrate me into the friend group. Anyways, I said my decision was final.

Speaker 1 He could take it or leave it, but I would be inviting Leah myself because I like her. He screamed at me and told me to keep out of his business.

Speaker 1 I said to get rid of his weird fucking feelings for Amanda. He is mad at me.
My dad said it is none of our deal. My mom is furious with my brother.

Speaker 2 So?

Speaker 1 Am I the asshole?

Speaker 2 No, she's not the asshole. What in the world? I can't believe she started this by being like, I know I'm a little bit of an asshole.
Because then I was waiting for it.

Speaker 2 I was like, what has she done that is wrong?

Speaker 2 First of all, even without all this weirdness, back to our original point, if it's her wedding, she can do what she wants within reason of being like respectful of other people's, you know, decision to be naked.

Speaker 2 But the fact that she

Speaker 2 feels like she did something wrong is shocking to me.

Speaker 1 I was waiting for it too because I'm like,

Speaker 1 no, this is your wedding, your day. If you don't want Amanda there and you can't trust your brother to invite his girlfriend himself,

Speaker 1 then take away the plus one. You're not the asshole.
Yeah. The bottom line is you don't want Amanda there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I will say, this is what's tough.

Speaker 1 And I have given this take on another like wedding related plus one story. If you give someone a plus one,

Speaker 1 you kind of relinquish the control to determine who it is.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's why maybe OP should have addressed the invitation to brother and Leah.

Speaker 1 Like you put the names of the people in the household you want to come, even though you're sending just one invitation for the household, it automatically implies who it's meant for. Right.

Speaker 1 But like you also at the same time should have been able to trust your brother would bring his now kind of longtime girlfriend.

Speaker 2 But I also get that like if the bride has negative feelings and negative experiences with with a specific person that they do not like nor want at their wedding, then that's a different thing.

Speaker 2 Like, this is specifically someone that she doesn't like. It's not just like, oh, my brother is bringing one boy or one girlfriend or another girlfriend.

Speaker 2 It's like someone that she knows and does not like and hasn't been nice to her.

Speaker 1 That's true. Okay.
So, in terms of like going forward for like creating almost like a list of wedding rules, put her on a blacklist.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 I think, I think everyone should have like

Speaker 1 blockout lists. Like if there's people you truly don't want coming, you should have that name list at the door.
Like blah, blah, blah, not allowed in, just in case you got some crashers.

Speaker 1 But like if you send someone a plus one, it's open and they plan on bringing someone you hate, is it okay to revoke it?

Speaker 1 Or do you have to suck it up?

Speaker 1 Like as a general rule.

Speaker 2 Right. That's hard because in this specific situation, I feel like

Speaker 2 she should be allowed to revoke it.

Speaker 2 I also feel like she'd be okay with him bringing almost anyone else, like any of his guy friends or like any just people that he doesn't have this weird fucked up relationship with.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, if my boyfriend would have said, oh, well, Amanda's boyfriend broke up with her. So just me and Amanda are going on the trip now.

Speaker 2 No, that's insane.

Speaker 1 I would have been like, no, I think me and you are just going to go on the trip now. That's Amanda can cancel.
Amanda's the one without the partner.

Speaker 2 Wait, so it was supposed to be the four of them. Double double date trip.
This is psychotic.

Speaker 1 And he ditches his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 I actually think what the person, the OP is doing wrong is that she should be getting this girl away from her brother as opposed to trying to like force them together.

Speaker 2 Like force bringing her to the wedding and like keeping this relationship going when it's clear that like, If this were his soulmate, he wouldn't be treating her so shitty. Like she needs to get out.

Speaker 2 Get that girl out of there.

Speaker 1 Leah needs to run.

Speaker 2 He needs to be with his friend.

Speaker 2 Be with Amanda.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 1 Like, I, I know a couple dudes in my life that have like, you get friend zoned by someone you like, and yet you still wait in the wings, acting like the boyfriend without the, the benefits. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's so unfair to them. Don't put up with like getting dragged by this girl.

Speaker 1 Like my one guy friend would like, he would spend so much money doing things that she liked too, like taking her to like basketball games or all of these events.

Speaker 1 And it's like, Josh, why are you doing that? Like, haven't you learned like she's not, that's not going to change how into you she is.

Speaker 2 Maybe

Speaker 2 actually committing yourself to your girlfriend and putting her first and being like, no, I want to go on this with her would make her respect you more. Yeah.
Would make this other girl.

Speaker 2 I almost am like, honestly, yeah.

Speaker 2 Is it because she won't date him and won't have sex with him that he respects her more and like prioritizes? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's it might be it might be one of those things like you want what you can't have or like he's so deeply

Speaker 2 in love with her.

Speaker 1 He's willing to just like do whatever for like a little bit of her like her son or like, you know what I mean? That saying where it's like, oh, she glanced at me today.

Speaker 1 Like, he just wants anything he can get from her in terms of like acknowledgement.

Speaker 2 That's how people in toxic actual relationships are. So I feel like it would follow.

Speaker 1 That's so strange. Not the asshole.
I don't think asshole.

Speaker 2 No. No, it's your wedding.
Like, yeah,

Speaker 2 as you were saying, I'm not totally sure about the politics of giving someone a plus one and then revoking it. But I do feel like, you know, it's a personal situation.

Speaker 2 He needs to man up and be like, sorry, my sister doesn't like you. So you can't go to her wedding.

Speaker 1 Or just, I'm going to bring my girlfriend. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or I'm going going to bring my girlfriend.

Speaker 1 If you want to reconnect with the friend group, schedule a coffee date. You know everyone's going to be in time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, I feel like in terms of revoking people's plus ones, if it's someone you genuinely don't get along with, know is going to ruin the day because she does.

Speaker 1 Amanda makes a scene an hour into every event. Yeah.
You know, it's going to create drama, stress, whatever.

Speaker 1 I would rather revoke that person's plus one and be called a bridezilla than have to deal with the chaos.

Speaker 2 Because it was his responsibility to not bring someone that his sister doesn't like on her wedding day. Yeah.
It shouldn't have been her responsibility to like

Speaker 2 go back and forth about this and like make sure that it was a specific, like they're doing it a certain way.

Speaker 2 And obviously, for the most part, in 99.999% of cases, it's fine for people to bring whoever they want as a plus one because people would respect like, oh, I'm not going to bring someone that my sister doesn't like to her wedding.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tough comment on this one. Not the asshole.
The bottom line is: you don't want Amanda at your wedding because she causes a scene and brings negative energy.

Speaker 1 I think you are well within your right to say she is not allowed at the wedding. You can invite Leah yourself by the sounds of your brother's behavior.

Speaker 1 Who knows if they will even still be together by then? Even if they are, I wouldn't count on her sticking around if he keeps prioritizing Amanda over her.

Speaker 1 And O.P. responds, I like Leah like genuinely as a friend and would like her there.
I should honestly just have invited her officially too.

Speaker 1 I should have honestly have been able to foresee David would do this.

Speaker 1 Fucking David.

Speaker 2 Fucking David. I feel like the final straw should have been the vacation, but

Speaker 1 oh my God. I think that was a different girl though.

Speaker 1 Because that vacation, he did get dumped, rightfully so.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right, right, right. That wasn't Leah.

Speaker 1 No, different, different girl. But I honestly think if he went forward and did bring Amanda, an OP wouldn't have stopped him.
Leah probably would have dumped him. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Like, who would, who would put up with that?

Speaker 2 Your family member's wedding, that's so intimate. Like, to not be invited to something like that when you're their official partner.
Yeah. I'd be like, what is wrong?

Speaker 2 Like, that would be the confirmation that. And I feel like this girl does this on purpose to prove that she's more important than every actual girlfriend.
Like, she seems to keep finding

Speaker 2 situations that'll absolutely humiliate the girlfriend. And, like, because she's the one who instigated that.
She's like, I want to, I want to go. I want to get catch back up with the gang.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's sort of posing herself.

Speaker 1 She's inserting herself for sure. Yeah.
And I think if you look at back at like the trip example, too, she even said to him, like, I'm uncomfortable with your girlfriend. Right.

Speaker 1 So that's why the three of them couldn't go on the trip together. But if you were so uncomfortable with the girlfriend, why did you agree to a double date trip?

Speaker 2 Yeah, she doesn't want to be with him, but she wants to keep proving that she matters more.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that's exhausting. So there is an edit.
Edit to answer some questions. The invite was addressed to the Smiths.
Funnily enough, Leah had the same last name as us.

Speaker 1 Granted, we have one of the most common last names. Yes, they live together.
The tax thing is nothing huge. My parents have a small business, but are really bad at keeping track of all their receipts.

Speaker 1 So every month we go and help them. We digitalize the receipts and put them in a bookkeeping software for the accountant.
Amanda is in the comments.

Speaker 2 Say hi.

Speaker 2 She's on the ball. I love that.
I really want her, and I'm so glad that she did to read all of these comments calling her out because I know the comments are calling her out, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The comments are not good for Amanda. I wonder if Amanda will have a rebuttal post.

Speaker 2 Well, there's no way Amanda's going to shove to the wedding now. No.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 that'd be crazy. After reading this Reddit post, I wouldn't put it past her.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. I wouldn't put it past her.
Some people just love the attention.

Speaker 2 She's got no shame.

Speaker 1 She causes a scene at every show.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 She's always singing at the dinner table. Oh, God.

Speaker 1 I could see Amanda being the type. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There are a lot of comments from OP, so I will be sure to link this one.

Speaker 1 Basically, people being like, why is your brother putting up with this? Like, can he not, you know, do better? But also, like, he's with Leah. So, like,

Speaker 1 he's clearly good enough to get a girlfriend. Just Amanda doesn't want him.

Speaker 2 I want to see the, I want to see everybody.

Speaker 2 Sometimes it's so hard that you can't look at everyone's faces when you see this because I want to I want to understand like is Amanda like a beautiful goddess like is she just like the perfect woman or I feel like probably not I feel like it's just in his head he's just putting her on a pedestal rose colored glasses and it's funny because anyone who is worthy of being with you wouldn't use you as the emotional fluffer and use you and treat you like this.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 and sabotage all of your relationships. I know.
Well, I mean, like, she can't do it alone. He's also sabotaging that to tango for sure.

Speaker 1 Uh, OP just says, I've given up talking to him about this years ago. I always feel sorry for the amazing girls he brings home, though.
I still talk to his ex. She helped me with my career.

Speaker 1 He is going to end up alone.

Speaker 2 Years, this has been going on. Years.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Leah can do so much better on paper. My brother is pretty great.
Amazing job, financial stability. He volunteers at animal shelters and cares about his appearance.

Speaker 1 And when he is not drooling for Amanda, he is generally really nice and loving, but bro.

Speaker 2 That is so interesting.

Speaker 2 I love that the sister is like, Leah can do better.

Speaker 1 I know. And O.P.
does mention Leah is insecure about Amanda.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I would be.
I had a situation like this.

Speaker 2 I had, I was dating someone in high school for like three years, and he had like a best friend that he had been secretly, or not secretly, I think he had like tried, like they, he had a crush on her, and I think he had mentioned it before, but they continued being friends.

Speaker 2 And then one day

Speaker 2 he had like cheated on me with someone else, but then I saw his text with her about like, I don't know, he just made our relationship seem really bad and was like saying negative things about our relationship and like kind of like hinting at stuff.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I always knew there was something there.

Speaker 2 So crazy.

Speaker 1 You just trust your gut.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 With that stuff. And it's always the person too, like, oh, you don't have to worry about her.

Speaker 2 It's always those situations where, like, afterward, you're like, I knew that whole time. Yeah.
But I didn't let myself,

Speaker 2 you know, believe it, believe myself.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 We got to like really start trusting our gut more. Like,

Speaker 1 and not rose colored glasses ourselves so hard because we we gotta believe it especially like leah so a lot of people are asking does leah know yeah and op goes she does know now someone asks how is she feeling about it op responds no bueno yeah the person goes let us know when she dumps his crusty ass

Speaker 1 OP, your brother is just like Amanda. He's not a good person.
He strings along others to fill the void until Amanda is free. Amanda does the inverse.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 Does your brother realize what he's done? Or is he still in denial about the Amanda issue? Someone else goes, make sure Leah is seated in a good spot away from your brother and with good friends.

Speaker 2 That is such a good point. Like they're doing the same thing to people.
Literally.

Speaker 1 Like Amanda's doing it to him. Yeah.
He's doing the same thing to other people.

Speaker 2 To every girlfriend that he gets after her.

Speaker 1 I wonder if he even realizes or if he's truly like trying to move on with all of these people he dates.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 But then like to

Speaker 2 it's one thing to just like have those feelings, but then the actions that he's doing because of them are so disrespectful and so hurtful.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 There's one comment from OP here that's absolutely hilarious and like so on point. So OP goes, I don't get the relationship between them.
It's weird. I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 She is jealous, aka Amanda, when anyone spends time with him.

Speaker 1 I once told him to ask her to have a one-sided one-sided open relationship where she gets to do what she wants and he waits at home for her because he already does that, LOL.

Speaker 1 Talk about a burn.

Speaker 2 Wait, that

Speaker 1 damn. And so accurate.

Speaker 2 It's so true. So accurate.
And like, I would feel so bad for him if he weren't bringing all these other girls along to this torment because of it. Yeah, she's treating him badly.

Speaker 2 And then in turn, he's treating other people badly.

Speaker 1 It's just like, just get together.

Speaker 2 You both suck. You both suck, and you can't get over each other clearly.

Speaker 1 Well, and it's like, if Amanda does get jealous when other people hang out with him and is so close and comfortable and likes him this much, why aren't you just together? Right.

Speaker 1 Are you not attracted to him?

Speaker 2 What is it? That's why I think if he were to like actually put a girlfriend first, she would be like, wait, no, I want to be with you.

Speaker 1 I'm just confused. I'm so confused.

Speaker 2 I would love to see Amanda's rebuttal.

Speaker 1 I want Amanda to

Speaker 2 reply.

Speaker 1 OP does go Amanda, question mark, question mark, question mark to someone's comment.

Speaker 1 So let me find the comment.

Speaker 2 She has like serious beef with Amanda. That's so funny.
I mean, I guess if Amanda and her brother actually did get together, it would be hard

Speaker 2 because the family hates her.

Speaker 1 So someone comments, what do you expect? Question mark. He has an asshole of a sister.

Speaker 2 Huh?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like implying OP is an asshole.

Speaker 2 And OP replies back, Amanda?

Speaker 2 What did she do, though? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Are there likes on that comment?

Speaker 1 No, it got downvoted almost 700 times.

Speaker 2 I love when I agree with the majority so much.

Speaker 2 Feels so good. It feels so vindicating.

Speaker 1 OP called Leah right in front of him, asking her about it. She had no idea.

Speaker 1 Is this in reply?

Speaker 2 I mean, Leah was going to find out either way because, like, I'm not going to your sister's wedding with you and you're taking Amanda instead. Like, there's no way she wouldn't have found that out.

Speaker 2 It's just like, how did he tell her?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if this is in reference to the wedding and the invite and him bringing Amanda. or if it was in response to this Reddit post.
Oh, right.

Speaker 1 Someone's asking, how did she learn about it from you or from him trying to do damage control? Yeah. I called Leah in front of him asking her about it.
She had no idea. Ouch.
I hope he looked ashamed.

Speaker 1 Nope. He got super fucking mad.

Speaker 2 This brother sucks. This is ridiculous.
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 Everyone, we need to go rescue Leah.

Speaker 2 We're on a Leah rescue mission.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to scroll to the very last comment. Like, I'm so curious if they've broken up.
Brother's very handsome. OP does clarify that.

Speaker 1 My brother is a spineless snail who doesn't care about his girlfriend's feelings.

Speaker 1 Why should I care about his?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Wow, she's really like letting loose a lot of feelings that she's had.

Speaker 1 Amanda will not step half a foot out on our venue without being escorted out by security.

Speaker 1 Let's go, baby.

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 1 Yes, that was my big plan. Step one, make a post.
Step two, let Amanda find it. Step three, question mark, question mark, question mark.
Step four, question mark, question mark.

Speaker 1 People are like accusing OP of like...

Speaker 1 Letting her like posting this to to do bad stuff.

Speaker 1 I don't know have ulterior motives so to speak what ulterior motive could she have though i think she just was tired of having drama with her brother and wanted some neutral people's opinions yeah because here we make you feel crazy and here we are yeah let us know what you guys think about this one i love this one this is juicy there's so many like layers and intricate relationships of drama in this it's like soap opera it's so good

Speaker 1 So good. We've had some really good ones.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You really came out with some bangers.
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Speaker 1 I've got two more short ones to end us.

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Speaker 1 This next one is 19 hours old coming from AITH.

Speaker 1 Am I the asshole for my response after my friend kept bragging about her boyfriend's dick size? Oh!

Speaker 1 I, female, have a friend, female, who recently started dating a guy she met on some dating app. They've been together for roughly three months, I think.

Speaker 1 Ever since she got with him, she's been humble bragging about his alleged penis size.

Speaker 2 Alleged.

Speaker 1 She will make these subtle remarks about them needing so much lube, that she's so sore today, wink wink, and all that shit.

Speaker 1 No one in my group, there's six of us in total, all twenty-two to twenty-four female, spoke up about it, and we always let it slide or laughed it off.

Speaker 1 However, it was cringe because she clearly wanted us to know. Hell, probably wanted us to picture her man's wiener.
Why? FYI, she's never done this sort of thing before.

Speaker 1 She's typically private when it comes to intimate info like that. So this is out of character.
All caps, it's so damn annoying and unnecessary, and TMI.

Speaker 1 A few days ago, we all went out to brunch. I ordered a drink that came in a glass that looked semi-phallic, and someone jokingly said, Eh, that'll do.

Speaker 1 The dick bragger burst into laughter and immediately managed to make a Purvy reference to her boyfriend somehow. I was extremely fed up.

Speaker 1 I finally told her that I'm very curious at this point and need to see hard, physical evidence of said penis. Oh.

Speaker 1 I said that everyone at the table is curious about this mythical sausage and wants to see with their own eyes if the urban urban legends are true.

Speaker 1 I told her to show me a picture of her boyfriend's penis, ASAP, so I can verify her claims independently. I explained that I established an interim dick size accuracy committee.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Obviously, she got angry and said that I'm not funny. I told her I wasn't joking and genuinely wanted to see it for myself with my own eyeballs that I trust.

Speaker 1 She said that she obviously wouldn't share any dick pics and that I'm fucked in the head. We ended up having a huge argument and she left early alone.
Now there's two camps.

Speaker 1 Some saying that I crossed a line and went too far with my joke. Others saying that they're relieved that someone finally spoke up.
Am I the asshole?

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 I don't think any photos. of intimate photos should ever be shared without a partner's consent.
But I feel like she was joking. I agree.
So I don't think that the joke goes too far.

Speaker 2 And also, like, the only way that that would be a breach of privacy is if the girl actually shared photos like that. Yeah.
So like that, that's first.

Speaker 2 Now, if you want to say, like, hey, girls, my boyfriend has a huge penis. It's awesome.
That's fine. Like, mention it one time.
But, like, to continuously go on and on about it, like, I don't care.

Speaker 2 I really don't care. And honestly, when my friends want to talk at length about, like,

Speaker 2 not the, like, I'll talk to my friends about the emotional aspect of dating all the time, but if they want to, like, go on about the intimate details of their sex life, like, I don't care.

Speaker 2 I'm not the one, I'm not the one to talk to you about that. I don't want to know, actually.

Speaker 1 That would be me.

Speaker 2 I'll take that combo. We can have that.

Speaker 1 Let me know. I love talking about sex.
I just, I find it fascinating.

Speaker 2 Do you think it's like what's bothering her is that she's trying to do it as a humble brag instead of just outright being like,

Speaker 2 it's great that I'm dating someone with a huge dick.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's more so the frequency of these comments. Yeah.
I think if it would have been like a one-off,

Speaker 1 or if it came up during a conversation about sex, like everyone would giggle, they'd be like, good for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, get it, girl. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 But it's like the fact that she's doing this so often. And it seems like she's finding so many excuses to bring it up.
Any chance she gets.

Speaker 2 It's so funny. Like, why?

Speaker 2 Like, we get it. Do you want us to be jealous of the sex that you're having?

Speaker 1 Also, sometimes super, super big isn't better.

Speaker 2 Like, you just got so many upvotes from men. You just five stars.
They're throwing out the five stars right now. It's true.
Like, I love this podcast. Forward to girlfriend.
Don't forward to friends.

Speaker 1 No, there's some people, though, that are big and just don't know how to use it.

Speaker 2 That's a good point because they think that they don't have to. They don't have to.
They don't have to work for it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's important. That's compelling.
Yeah, this is interesting because I don't think that like this. Okay, I was like, stop talking about sex.
No.

Speaker 2 I just don't think that either of them are like fully being an asshole. No.
Like, I think she's being annoying. Yeah.
If anything.

Speaker 1 I also wonder, like, for how close they all are, why couldn't you guys have just been like casually like, hey, unless you're going to show us.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 Can we not bring up his dick so much? I'd like to get to know the guy a little more.

Speaker 2 Right, or like, we get it. You've told us.
Come on.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to just think about his dick every time I see your boyfriend. Like,

Speaker 1 I'd like to get to know him a little more for who he is. You know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you know, when like your friend is dating someone new and they kind of just become a parrot of like only talking about one specific thing. And it's like, all right, like, come on.
We don't care.

Speaker 2 We're at dinner. We want to talk about something else today.

Speaker 1 Happy for you, but come on. We're not, we're not involved in that.
Yeah. Like, we don't need to know so much.

Speaker 2 We're not in bed with you. We're not there.
Do you want us to want to fuck your boyfriend?

Speaker 1 Are you trying to get him stolen?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 why don't you want to? You post it to Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, make a reel about it. Go on, Yik Yak.

Speaker 1 I heard that's coming back. Is Yik Yak coming back?

Speaker 2 I heard. I heard.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Some traumatic stuff from Yik Yak.

Speaker 2 Yik Yak was fun. I used to lie a lot on Yik Yak for fun.

Speaker 2 Make things up. Spread

Speaker 2 seeds of dishonesty. I did see that.

Speaker 1 You love starting rumors, especially about appliances.

Speaker 2 I love to start a rumor. You love starting a rumor.
What do people think about this?

Speaker 1 So, top comment: I wish my dick was so big it tore apart entire friend groups.

Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 telling you right now, no, you don't. Falls to his knees, cursing at the sky because his enormous dick hit the ground first.

Speaker 1 What is wrong with this comment section?

Speaker 1 Oh my god. Someone replies to that: tripod.

Speaker 2 Tripod? Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Oh, because you have two legs and oh my god.

Speaker 2 I've never liked that, but now I see. Yeah.
Tripod. Wow.
Good for him. Third leg.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Tripod. Tripod.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I feel like there's just no assholes here.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I would say that too. I think, like, they need to have a conversation, though.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, can you, can you stop? Right. It's just kind of uncomfortable for the group.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think OP was just trying to like make it funny and honestly embarrass embarrass her less by sort of joking about the dick situation.

Speaker 2 Because like maybe it would embarrass her more to be like, girl, you really talk about this too much, even though being straightforward is great. Yeah.
But

Speaker 2 yeah, this isn't like something that they can't return from. No.
Nobody did anything terrible here.

Speaker 2 Let's just, you know, chat about something else today. Let's pass the Bechdel test.
Seriously.

Speaker 1 I hope they figure it out. I'm trying to look at the account and see if there's any updates on this one.

Speaker 1 That's so funny. No updates.
Account has been suspended.

Speaker 2 Oh, why?

Speaker 1 I don't know. They violated some rules.

Speaker 2 Have you ever had a friend talk about

Speaker 2 their partner's genitals too much?

Speaker 1 Not too much. We've definitely, like, as a group, had conversations.
Yeah. And I've, I've gotten flack from that, I think, from like guys commenting on the podcast in the past.

Speaker 1 They're like, that's so disrespectful to talk about your partner and like blah, blah, blah, blah with your friends. And I'm like, but don't guys do that all the time? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it's fine as long as you're not being disparaging or like sharing pictures, like you said.

Speaker 2 I also feel like that's up to individual couples to have a conversation of being like,

Speaker 2 I'm not comfortable with you talking about our sex life with other people. Or like, if you do something experimental in the bedroom and you're like, I don't want other people to know that we do that.

Speaker 2 Like, I think that it's hard when you're listening to a podcast because you don't know the people and you don't know what their partners are okay with.

Speaker 2 And even if you're not comfortable with that, which is fine, like you can say that to your partner, that doesn't mean that necessarily, like, other people's partners aren't okay with them talking about their sex life to their friends.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damn, that's like such a good conversation to have when you initially start dating someone.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There almost needs to be a checklist for like boundaries.

Speaker 1 Like, literally, it's just like a list of boundaries. Like, right, talking talking about friends, talking about sex life with friends, boundary or not.

Speaker 2 Did mine's tummy just grow?

Speaker 1 I have mine all day,

Speaker 2 all day. Oh my god, it's so sorry.
All day, but yeah, the boundaries like are up to individuals and yeah, you can figure it out amongst yourselves.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, that guy's comfortable with her telling everyone his dick is huge.

Speaker 1 Probably,

Speaker 2 he'd probably feel good. He probably would, yeah, he'd probably be good.
He probably feels good about himself.

Speaker 1 He's probably flattered.

Speaker 1 He's like, babe, stop stop telling people my dick is so fucking big it's so huge stop saying that people don't need to know i have a ginormous huge huge dick a dick game strong i literally you guys justin and i just drove back from colorado picking up my pony and when we were on the car ride we were like looking for things to do and podcast to listen to and we run out of like true crime ones pretty quickly like the new ones we haven't listened to and so i was like i'm gonna listen let's listen to the first episode of two hot takes and like see how it changed.

Speaker 1 So we listened to the very first episode. The way in which I cringed, I was like, Morgan.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Granted, you can tell I was so nervous and like didn't really know what was going on yet. But I used, I was like, no one's going to want your dick game.
And I was like.

Speaker 2 Why? Why did I say that?

Speaker 1 And so this story, just saying that just now, I'm like, I'm reminded. I'm like, oh man, we evolve.

Speaker 2 Even things I said, like one year ago, I'll be humiliated by. And it's like, I am an adult now.
It's not like last year I was 17 or last year I was like 21.

Speaker 2 I'm fully into fully, you know, being a, I guess I'm, I'm just a teenage 27 year old girl.

Speaker 1 Just, oh, I still, I love that saying where it's like, I panicked because I was having a teen pregnancy. Nope, I'm 30.

Speaker 1 I'm like, that's me. I'm just like, I don't know where time went.
I still, if you asked me how old I feel, I feel 26. I don't feel 30.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's probably where it pauses.

Speaker 1 I think COVID stole some years too. Yeah.
Like, I don't feel 30 at all. I feel like 26, 28-ish.

Speaker 1 I don't know why.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But it's so funny that you can be like 27, 30 years old, and like a year ago is embarrassing to you.

Speaker 2 Maybe it's just because like jokes change so quickly and like now that that's been overdone, it's cringe.

Speaker 2 And like you're not a cringe person, but you were just so wrapped up in the internet culture at the time. And it changes so fast.
So fast.

Speaker 1 It changes too fast.

Speaker 2 You can't keep up with it. No, you can't always be cool.
No, no.

Speaker 1 I'm not cool. Like, I will be the first to admit, like, I'm just kind of a normal,

Speaker 1 like, just, I'm chill. Like, I'm not like this cool person.

Speaker 2 I think you're very cool. God, I love you.
I think you've got a cool aura about you. I think when you walk into a room.

Speaker 1 But I think the same of you. Like, you give just like cool, put together.
You're so fashionable.

Speaker 2 Really? Thank you. Well, this is cozy day.
It is cozy day. This is cozy day.

Speaker 1 We don't dress up for this

Speaker 2 often.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm giving you a choice on the last one. Okay.

Speaker 1 You have first option.

Speaker 1 Am I the asshole for not wanting my husband to be in the room when I give birth?

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Two,

Speaker 1 am I the asshole for holding my ex-husband's hand at our son's funeral?

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 Three, boyfriend's dad keeps hitting on me.

Speaker 2 Or four,

Speaker 1 I gave my very stoic roommate flowers for his birthday, and his reaction almost broke me.

Speaker 2 Maybe boyfriend's dad keeps hitting on me. Okay.
Because, like, that feels the most triggering.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's go. Timmy.
Yeah, keep it on.

Speaker 2 Sorry if I've disappointed people with my choice.

Speaker 1 No need to be disappointed. The other three stories will be on Patreon this month.

Speaker 1 Head over there.

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Get who hates free? No one.

Speaker 1 Everyone loves free. Yeah.
And if you don't love free, please seek medical attention.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So this is two days old, coming from our very own two-hot take subreddit. Boyfriend's dad keeps hitting on me.

Speaker 1 So I, 26 female, feel disturbed by this because I want to tell my boyfriend, but I don't know if I should.

Speaker 1 I was home with his dad, 68 male, all day while my boyfriend was at work, because his dad asked if I would help him with running some errands.

Speaker 1 Side note, his wife passed away like a month ago, so he's been trying to organize slash figure out the house stuff.

Speaker 1 And me being nice and trying to show I can be a good future wife for his son said yes.

Speaker 1 But then his dad starts saying I remind him a lot of his wife's character, which is cool,'cause I guess that's a good thing. But then he also says I remind him of her physically

Speaker 1 and proceeds to ask me if I would shower with him.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 1 and we can keep it between us.

Speaker 2 Oh, this isn't subtle at all. I was like thinking, wow, okay.

Speaker 1 I just laughed it off and said no, because I honestly felt so uncomfortable at that moment. I didn't know what to say.
I thought he was joking, but he was so serious.

Speaker 1 I kind of want to tell my boyfriend, but I don't want to start problems. What should I do?

Speaker 2 This is hard.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is honestly one of the most complex ones we've had of the day.

Speaker 2 I know, because like,

Speaker 2 obviously, it's not a question of who's the asshole here, but like, what should you do in a situation like that?

Speaker 1 My immediately?

Speaker 1 My immediate gut reaction would be like, obviously, you need to tell your boyfriend, but there's the context that the his mom just died a month ago died so you don't want to like his mom just died and then you also ruined the relationship with his dad so like you're in a really tough position yeah but he needs to know because that's super inappropriate of course like that's so fucking creepy and bad yeah i don't think it i don't think you could not tell him but the idea of like talking to him about it like now you're in such a bad position like this is really one of those situations where you don't want to be the messenger.

Speaker 2 Like, being the messenger sucks of information like this, especially in the context. Like, he's probably relying on his dad so much more.

Speaker 2 And then, and then it puts so much shit between you because it's like either he hates his dad now or like he's okay with you being disrespected. And like, neither of those are good situations.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't believe this dude would say something like this out loud. When I, when the first comment got said, like, oh, I remind him a lot of his wife's character.

Speaker 2 Yeah, lovely. That's beautiful.
That's lovely. That's amazing.
That's what you would hope for.

Speaker 1 Oh, but you also remind me

Speaker 1 of her physically. And

Speaker 1 you shower with me.

Speaker 1 Your wife just died a month ago. And

Speaker 2 that's disrespectful to the wife, too.

Speaker 1 You're propositioning your boy, your son's girlfriend to fucking shower with you and then lie about it.

Speaker 2 She's looking down on you like, ew. She's.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's probably been like this for a while before she passed. Like, right.
I feel like you don't.

Speaker 2 No, yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't behave.

Speaker 1 He doesn't change overnight because he doesn't.

Speaker 1 At least I don't hope. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 That's so disturbing. And like, puts her in such an uncomfortable position.
Puts her boyfriend in such an uncomfortable position. Also, like, did he think she would say yes? Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Has he tried it with girlfriends of the past?

Speaker 2 But who would say yes to that?

Speaker 2 I mean, maybe there is someone out there, but

Speaker 2 someone I just don't, I just don't. Not won't be me, won't be me, not anyone I know.
No,

Speaker 1 God, no.

Speaker 1 This is scary, too, because you just like it.

Speaker 2 Is scary because now she doesn't want to be alone with him.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't. I don't think it's honestly at that point.
I don't, I don't think it's safe.

Speaker 2 And so many people,

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 people's families are so important when you're dating somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And this really puts a wrench in like ending up with this guy because this is his only living family or only living parent. Ugh.

Speaker 1 Top comment. You genuinely need to shut that down and tell your boyfriend.
This is not okay.

Speaker 1 Next comment: three things. One, tell the boyfriend.
Boyfriend needs to be the one to confront his dad with the clearest and most forceful reprimand possible. And that's true.

Speaker 1 It is, it is up to him, I would say. And I think it would mean more coming from the

Speaker 1 son. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Because then it also shows like dad my girlfriend told me like our relationship is really strong yeah what the fuck he thought this was like a creepy like i can't imagine risking your relationship with your child over being creepy to his girlfriend

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 and i wonder if his

Speaker 2 if her boyfriend has any idea that her dad's kind of like like his dad's kind of like that i wonder i wonder if he's tried this in the past with like one of his son's other girlfriends or if he just like makes creepy comments in general, or like one of those old guys that just doesn't read the room, and maybe his boyfriend didn't think it or her boyfriend didn't think it was.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I keep messing up the relationship pronouns.

Speaker 2 Um, her boyfriend didn't think it was as bad as it was, probably, but like now he'll realize that all of those like little comments are they're actually genuinely concerning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, point number two: never be in the same room with him again, and three, if by chance he ever says something like that again, your reaction needs to be loud, angry, and unquestionably negative.

Speaker 1 Simultaneously, you need to get safe people in the room with you immediately or leave immediately.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I wouldn't blame her for any reaction she had because, like, that's such an uncomfortable position to be in. People have all sorts of reactions to being sexually harassed.

Speaker 2 And then, like, to also add the element of this is my partner's father,

Speaker 2 like my partner's grieving, grieving father. I know

Speaker 2 it's hard to be as adamantly

Speaker 2 negative as you want to be. And I'm sure, like, looking back on it, she's like, I wish I had been,

Speaker 2 you know, really strong in my response. Oh, my God.
I'm so sorry. My stomach is really talking.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I was just peeking at the ponies, making sure they're good.

Speaker 2 I know, but wow, you can't hear it? No. I hope you guys can't hear it.
I think you're okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 There is one other point I do want to bring up.

Speaker 1 Someone comments, suggest to boyfriend that dad get a mental health evaluation with his doctor. Sadly, at dad's age, which again was 68, the initial symptoms of cognitive decline can be

Speaker 1 observed, which may include loss of inner filter that stops us from saying inappropriate and often sexual things.

Speaker 1 Not a doctor and not trying to diagnose the boyfriend's dad, just aware of the changes that can occur in older adults, especially after a significant loss.

Speaker 1 Someone else goes, the loss of his wife and the associated stress and grief could accelerate any decline.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 1 So, that is something to kick.

Speaker 2 That is interesting. Because when you first read it, I was like, Is he drunk? Like, what is going on? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But that's hard because it's like, that feels like maybe that'd be better because he's not a shitty person, but having it would be better for me. Right.

Speaker 2 But then, also, cognitive decline is such an awful experience. Yeah.
So terrible.

Speaker 1 I hope they get it figured out.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 We have a little bit of an update. Oh, there's an update?

Speaker 1 Update. I told my boyfriend, and his reaction was, quote, this does not sound like something my dad would say.
Then proceeds to ask, is this why I don't want to stay at his house anymore?

Speaker 1 He said he needs time to think about this and see both sides.

Speaker 1 See both sides?

Speaker 1 Because he's optimistic. He said he needs to know the facts.
And I was like, but what facts? I've told you everything, literally how it happened.

Speaker 1 I haven't said or done anything to make his dad feel like it's okay for him to come at me in such a manner.

Speaker 1 I told him I feel disgusted. And all he had to say was he doesn't want to jump to conclusions.
He didn't even bother to ask if I was okay. Just trash.

Speaker 2 There's no context. There's like no additional context to those comments that makes them not creepy and inappropriate and fucked up.
Well,

Speaker 1 what do you think? Your girlfriend just like magically made up this whole thing?

Speaker 2 This is what I was worried about, but like

Speaker 2 it's better that she knows that her boyfriend would react to a situation like that.

Speaker 2 Like that's a serious situation to be in with your partner and seeing how they act while they're in it tells you a lot about how they would be as like a parent, as your lifelong significant other.

Speaker 2 So I'm glad she knows.

Speaker 1 Well, there is one final response in a comment. Brought it up to my boyfriend and I gave him space to think because he claimed that's what he needed.
Nothing's changed though.

Speaker 1 He still thinks that's not something his dad would say and he can't wrap his mind around it.

Speaker 1 Now he's pretty much much putting it all on me, making it seem like I made it up, or I'm over-exaggerating, and there's nothing to exaggerate about a dad making a nasty comment like that to his son's girlfriend.

Speaker 2 That's so disappointing.

Speaker 1 And for the people saying there's always two sides to a story, I did nothing and I didn't say anything to make him feel like it was okay to come at me in such a disrespectful manner. Not on you.

Speaker 2 There's no context that would make it okay. Not on you.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, that's so crazy.

Speaker 1 He knows I really care about a son, but it's whatever. I ended the relationship.
I'd rather not feel like I can be disrespected at any time, and he won't have my back or do his best to protect me.

Speaker 1 Thank you guys for all the advice.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, I'm glad she broke up with him.

Speaker 1 This is the perfect order of events. Yeah.
Not like, not perfect. It never should have happened.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 But it happened. You told your boyfriend.
Your boyfriend didn't have a great, appropriate response.

Speaker 2 You broke up with him.

Speaker 1 You breaking up with him sucks. It's sad, but that that is a happy ending.
You found out you were with someone who isn't going to protect you, doesn't believe you.

Speaker 2 Bye. He sucks.
He's a piece of shit. And like, I get it that this is a hard time for their family.
And like, this is what I was worried about.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that was that context that we, yeah.

Speaker 2 I was worried that he would be like, oh, well, I just lost my mom. My dad means a lot to me.
But like, this is your partner.

Speaker 2 Like, you're either going to spend your life with this person as your other half or you're not. And at that point, she needs to be the priority.
And you need to, like, to never even say, are you okay?

Speaker 2 I'm so sorry. You were sexually harassed.

Speaker 1 Never even say, are you okay? Yeah. Like, okay, if my dad did say that, are you okay? Like,

Speaker 1 that would have been really uncomfortable. Like, I'm really sorry.

Speaker 2 Not even like, that's not his character, but he's going through a really hard time. And like, I'm really disappointed, but I need to hear him out to like see if there's any, like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 There are even ways that he could have heard his dad out that wouldn't have been so disrespectful. Yeah.
He was implying it was like her problem.

Speaker 1 Well, and she made it up. Yeah.
Or she instigated it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No. She didn't instigate anything.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, I really wanted to be sexually harassed by your dad. Huh?

Speaker 1 Weird.

Speaker 2 So weird.

Speaker 1 Why would I instigate that? And if I did instigate it, why would I tell you?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Why would I bring it up? Right.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm just going around trying to trick your dad into coming on to me so that I can ruin your relationship with him. What? Hmm?

Speaker 2 You're doing a lot of jumps here when it would be much easier to just believe her. Hmm.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm confused.

Speaker 2 Glad they broke up. Glad they broke up.
It's a blessing in disguise for us triggering for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Good pick.

Speaker 1 Good pick. And we even got a little bonus update.
I didn't know what we had.

Speaker 2 I know that was exciting.

Speaker 2 Wow. Good updates this episode, I feel.

Speaker 1 Good updates, especially the Josh story. I think that would be my favorite from this one.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 The couple that got back together. I know.
I did message. I'm like.

Speaker 2 I hope they respond to you. I'm sitting here just refreshing the chat, like, hi, update, hi, update.
Ah,

Speaker 1 but thank you for joining me on this episode.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 Where can people find you?

Speaker 2 It's such a pleasure. You can find me like wherever.
I mean, Instagram, Michaela Oakland, Twitter, Michaela Oakla.

Speaker 2 And I also do podcast late night drive.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So.
If you want tea or, you know, you want Michaela to start some rumors, go follow.

Speaker 2 This girl's chatting, really.

Speaker 1 She's always doing fun stuff.

Speaker 1 But that's all I got. Head over to Patreon for those other stories.
One will be free. Don't miss out on free, you guys.

Speaker 2 Come on. Those sounded good, by the way.
They all were really sounding good. They are good.

Speaker 1 The flowers one is really cute, too. It's really cute.
But other than that, until next time, guys. Bye.