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Listen, this is exciting.

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I cannot tell you how excited I am to have the one and only Adam Pac-Man Jones here, everybody.

Give him a round of applause.

Thank you for coming.

Man, I appreciate you for having me.

Man,

it was a real treat that you said yes to this.

Running into you at the Tyson fight was awesome because we had only chatted, I think, via

Instagram.

And then one time I think I called in, I was on McAfee, and you were there.

We chatted for a second.

But that was a crazy night.

Your night ended up crazier than my night.

That was wild.

What happened that night for people that don't know?

Because everybody, first of all, so they know they, everybody thinks that

they used the photo of you and me.

Right.

Like, me and you are fighting.

Hey, people.

Come on.

Pac-Man.

Read the whole book and don't read the cup.

Not even the cover.

Don't even look at the cover.

No, it's crazy.

Read the book instead of looking at the cover.

But yeah, had an unbelievable night.

Got back to the hotel.

A couple people was

being really racist at the like hotel bar.

At the hotel bar that didn't even stay there.

They just Now, remind you, we are spending $1,500 a night for these rooms.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not cheap.

But yeah, a couple words were said.

I ain't like the words.

I should have smacked the fuck out of them.

And I let him.

I would have rather

went to jail for whooping his ass

than me having a word.

Well, I didn't really have a word with the police officer, but I just snatched myself back from

her.

And that was it.

And that was it.

So, yeah, but shit happens.

Yeah.

Be all right.

Other than that, that was a fun night.

Man, we had an unbelievable night.

That was a good time.

You were the best because

there's their like,

smell me.

Yeah.

Everybody, you were also the person that was distributing gifts to people.

You were giving us the

cookie boxes.

Our whole section was pretty lit.

It was pretty fun.

Oh, yeah.

What did you think of the fight itself?

The fight was bullshit.

But we did but i will say this yeah

i don't know about the people that was at home what happened with netflix but netflix showed their ass

um i thought it was one of the best experiences i've been to right um as a fight and

when i look back at it like you you do things for experience you know what i mean right and At the end of the day, was the fight that good?

No, but the experience of how they set everything up.

Was great.

Having who's who in the right spots and section, um, it was unbelievable.

The fight was some shit, but I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed the

I gotta tell you, like, the I feel very much the same way.

Like, the way that they put on the event was an experience of itself.

Being at Jerry World ATT,

the energy in that room was incredible.

Everybody attending, we were so hyped.

I mean, the fight itself was a letdown, but the experience was very cool.

I totally agree.

Totally cool.

Mike, I don't know, bro.

And I love Mike.

Mike is my guy.

He actually had, I got a picture of him and Joni

when Joni was like a year and a half old.

So undeal of respect

for him

as a person and a friend.

But

I wasn't sold on the fight.

No, it was so.

And I lost a lot of money baiting with his ass.

It was weird.

It was a very weird thing to see in person because if you've watched any amount of boxing, you see there's like a, you know, there's a thing that happens is like you see jabs and jabs set up openings and then people attack.

And we were like watching this fight and we go like, okay, jab, jab.

You see an opening and then you're like, ah, and then no one would attack.

And then that happened for eight rounds.

For eight rounds.

I thought the upper cup was there the whole night.

Yeah.

The whole night.

And I've watched Mike Tyson time after time after time after time.

And I know, yeah, everybody's saying, oh, yeah, he's 54 years old.

That does not matter.

Yeah.

Aggression and passion for what you do.

I can go catch a punt right now.

I'm sure you could.

And fucking get at least 45 yards.

I might pull my hamstring if I'm going 80.

But as far as quick tip twitch, catching the ball, I don't know if I'll ever lose that.

Do you still train, by the way?

Yeah, you do?

Every day?

Not every day, but like three, four times a week.

And what are your, are your workouts like?

So

one day, like, so for instance, this week, Monday, I ran.

So I did two miles on the treadmill,

seven point, no, I should say in y'all terms, seven minute miles.

Okay.

So two miles, 15, 14 minutes, walk a minute,

quick lift, all lightweights on Monday, nothing over like 30 pounds.

Just get everything moving.

Yeah.

Wednesday is like my workout day that I still do DB drills.

You do?

Yeah.

So like you're actually like backpedaling,

twitch, all of that.

I'm around a lot of kids that I'm teaching right now.

And if my shit ain't right, they're like, oh, really?

It's good for me to be where I'm at right now.

And you can still move.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, so that's Wednesday.

And then Friday is Hell Friday.

So I do squats, lunges.

Okay.

But your body, your body's held up.

Like you physically feel pretty good.

I mean NFL career is insane

I don't know

my body do hurt

it does right it does it hurt more though when I'm not doing shit.

I believe that so if I take

Let's just say a month off which that that ain't happened since I don't know when but

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But like I think when I'm working and i not not really killing myself yeah just actively doing something yeah um it's a little better on me um when i sit down i'm like i ain't gonna lie like of course we got like my hand i can't

can't even move move this one but really it's just like that yeah all you guys that it's one of the things that you notice when you like talk to a former nfl player is when they're gesturing or they shake your hand you'll be like what's up with that finger shit is like going in different

whole body i would say my hands hurt the most.

Seriously.

Like, that's why I'm always doing this.

Like, if you ever see me doing this, that's good.

My shit be like, like, nerves and everything.

Yeah.

Just catching them punts and punching, tackling.

What do you, what's the general, because I've always wanted, I never caught a punt.

What's the first thing you tell a kid who's like, I want to catch a punt?

Like, what's the advice you give them about it?

Is it like just natural you can do it?

Or can you kind of coach someone into it?

Definitely can coach someone into it.

You got to have good hands, though.

You do.

It ain't like you could just go out there and not have hands and do it.

Smart.

Especially in the NFL.

Oh, my God.

They kicked the ball.

It's a fucking seven-second hang time.

So one,

two, the ball is still up there.

Three, four.

God damn it.

Five, six.

Oh, seven.

Here it comes.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So I think NFL and

college is really different.

Because you got the rugby style kicks where in college really not getting that much hang time on it,

but it's going in the direction they wanted to go.

Yeah.

In the league, that rugby kick is a good kick, but you got to be able to put some hang time on there.

Because if you don't got no hang time,

if you up under

four seconds of a hang time, that's bad.

Like, that's a touchdown almost.

Right.

Like, immediately.

So, like, there's a thing.

I don't think there's anything really more exciting than watching a kick go taken back, you know?

Yeah.

And there's certain people like over the

the careers where you go like man this guy's such a dynamic just returner and like you're one of them do you is there a thing where

for you guys to do that is it all kind of like i'm just gonna take a gamble on a first move and then that kind of sets everything up or

because you guys have great vision right you have to have great

i can speak for me i've never thought in my whole career that the first guy could tackle me.

That's why I didn't fire catch.

I think my one, two is way better than this fucking guy right here.

Yeah,

so like I'm gonna go.

I don't

every time I catch that bitch, I expect to make a move and beat the first guy.

And nine times out of ten,

that's pretty much what happened.

Yeah,

I don't got hit a couple of times, but like I just I trust in myself.

I trust if I got a step, like if you

right there where you at, I feel I can beat you.

Yeah,

I don't feel nobody can tackle me right here and me because you gotta let me catch the ball.

That's first and foremost.

Yeah, so

my actions gonna,

you gotta react to mine.

Yeah, and I think my first two steps is one of the best ever first two steps when it comes to

being a punt returner.

And it speaks for itself.

Like,

I love Hester.

I'm not throwing no hate on Hester.

Yeah.

Josh Cribs, great returner.

Yeah.

All those guys got a lot of fair catches.

Yeah, and still didn't average pretty much more yards than me.

I don't fair catch the ball.

Yeah.

And I think that's the difference between me

and a lot of other returners.

If you go back and look and see, oh, how many times did he fair catch the ball in his whole career?

Fucking probably 11 times.

For real?

11 times?

Maybe.

But this is because.

Maybe.

But see, the fair catch thing for you, I think is indicative of your style.

Like, you're a dog, man.

I'm an animal.

Yeah, that's so, it makes sense that you're like, fuck it.

I'm not even going to do it.

You're not even going to do it.

Yeah, it just, it's, I don't know.

It's just, I just, I believe in me, and I trust the guys up in front of me.

Now, I do cuss their ass out if I get hit.

And I only got hit a couple of times.

But sometimes I got hit, you can see me running up.

Going after my guy, like, yo, what the fuck are you doing, bro?

People also don't realize that, like, we always see guys on television, especially if you're really athletic and you just assume this guy just has some natural ability and that's it.

And, like, from I told you, from people that I've spoken to that played with you, they're like, oh, this guy in practice is a fucking animal.

Like, you have a great reputation for.

Playing hard at all times.

Yeah, I always tell people, like, I've never had a problem with no owner, no coach I've played for.

My problem was the shit when I left there going going to Magic City or some shit like that and just enjoy myself.

And there's always one asshole again.

Here goes Adam.

Yeah.

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Yeah, I party hard, but I fucking worked my ass off.

I mean, you even practiced, though.

I've heard Air Force One.

Air Force One.

And still, still lock everything up.

That was my thing when I first started.

Fucking insane.

I'm like, bro, I'm not wearing no fucking cleats.

I'm coming out here brand new A1s.

Let's go.

Let's get this fucking work in.

We got 12 periods.

All right.

I'm going to go out here early, catch punts.

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And I've always been like that.

Like, you got to go ask my little league coaches, my high school coach.

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No, you ain't because I'm pushing this motherfucker to get better.

You're going to take me out because I'm going 100 miles per hour.

Yeah.

And some days.

I'm going to tackle though.

And we would be like,

they used to hate that.

That you would tackle.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, oh.

Especially now, it's even worse.

Me and Chris got in so many fights because of that.

Like, that's how we became

locked in.

I would push him to the limit.

Like, I mean, push him to the limit.

He was

well-gifted, but like, he enjoyed, he didn't enjoy practice at first.

And I kind of changed that mentality.

If you don't enjoy practice, I'm just going to dominate your ass and talk shit to you the whole practice.

Are you, because I'm not surprised this, were you a massive shit talker?

Yeah.

Hell yeah.

In games, too?

Yeah.

What kind of shit would you say?

I got more liquid than liquid death.

Would you, like, was it...

So I used to go through, you know how they give you the

brochure before the game to see all the players.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I would go through the, like, who am I playing today?

Let me see which one of these motherfuckers looks so.

And I would Google them.

Really?

Found out three things about them.

And I would just tag them the whole game.

I mean, non-stop.

Something about their mom or their girl.

Everything.

Everything.

Yeah, I heard your girl left you.

How many stepkids you got, bro?

Like, I would, I would,

I was bad.

Yeah, I believe it.

It was bad.

Like, you're bad.

Like, now that I look back on it at it,

yeah, it was bad.

Who?

Okay, because this thing about, this is what we always hear about playing against the shit talker, right?

This is like what you hear from other great athletes.

They go, guys like you are doing that to get in your head.

And so the only way to win that battle is to not let it get to you, right?

So there's some people who can just go, say whatever you want.

I'm never going to engage or respond to that.

So you had to, I'm sure, face some people that you're like, well, this guy just doesn't break on that.

Yes, I have.

And then some people that do break.

Yeah.

And you, and then you win.

You've won that battle.

AB was one of those guys that never broke.

I would talk so much shit to him.

And he would be catching the ball.

I'm like, you're supposed to catch the ball, nigga.

Your daddy went pro.

Like, you get to skip the fucking line, bro.

Yeah.

Like,

he would just shut up, Packer.

Yeah.

Do his little first down thing.

T.O.

was a good shit talker.

Was he?

Yes.

When I played against him, him, I said a lot of shit to him.

When I played with him

in Dallas,

I ain't pretty much.

We would talk chirping practice.

Yeah.

You can sit in the hard knots, but it wasn't that bad.

But it's a couple guys that just couldn't take it, though.

Right.

I'm talking about you can two drop balls.

Yeah.

Bitch in a tank.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm going to tell you.

I'm going to tell you the one who really couldn't take it.

Yeah, yeah.

Trash, what's his name?

I went to Ohio State.

Play with Cleveland.

God damn it, I can't even think his name.

Went to Ohio State.

We should know this.

He was

garbage.

Garbage.

Damn, what's his name?

I don't know his name, but if you look at the clip, it's garbage.

Y'all know what I'm talking about back there in the back.

Help me out.

Hold on.

Terrell Pryor.

Terrell Pryor.

Garbage.

The quarterback.

Garbage.

Okay.

Jesus.

Garbage.

Pryor.

Garbage.

Okay.

So you talked a lot of shit to him.

Garbage.

You talked a lot of shit to him.

That was probably one of

the best clips.

He couldn't take it.

Like, I would get in his head so bad, bro.

You could Google it.

Google it.

It's probably

Trail Pryor

Adam Jones.

Yeah.

There you go.

Garbage.

Garbage.

There it is right now.

Clearly, clip it.

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Wait, there's still more.

Garbage.

Aside from Terrell, how big is it?

Garbage.

Whatever we want.

All right, cool.

Terrell Pride.

Garbage.

Okay, Pac-Man.

Tell me.

So,

did you just light him up that game?

Is that why this was a clip?

No, he was talking a lot of shit.

He was talking shit.

He was talking shit to the media earlier in the week.

And I told him, like, bro, you ain't going to catch a ball, bro.

You're a quarterback.

They got you playing receiver.

You suck, bro.

Yeah.

I think he had one catch for like four or five yards.

God damn.

He couldn't take it though.

He couldn't take it.

I mean, like,

bro, I'm looking in his eyes.

He had the expression like, will you just please?

Yeah.

Just leave me alone.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, no, I'm on your ass today, buddy.

All the way till we leave this motherfucker.

and back in the locker room, garbage.

Best part of that clip right there was a garbage can right there.

I was like, hey, y'all see Tariq Prime?

That's in there.

Yeah, it was hilarious, bro.

Oh, my God.

So, did you sense you had to have games too where you sense fear in the other person, right?

You could just see it in their eyes, like that they're

in the league or a college.

I don't know.

I guess both.

Probably not in the league.

Pretty much.

Everybody dogs

pretty much to a certain extent.

Then you got a couple guys that that's that make it because of

others or agents and such and such like that but and in college yeah a lot of guys a lot of guys i've seen soft or soft yeah when you go okay i've always wondered about the the leveling up for players because i know you're a stud athlete in high school you know you're you're great at football you're great at track you're great at basketball all these things you you're going you go to west virginia

but when you're a kid who's going to like the next level and you're a freshman before you start do you is it normal like do you feel any self-doubt or like am i good enough before you prove that you are are you actually me yeah yeah yeah like no no first day i walked in west virginia i told ass y'all i got three years here i'm getting the fuck out of here you knew it that early i got man i should call one of my teams okay and he'll he'll tell you like hey pack told us yeah that he only got three years in this motherfucker.

On day one.

On day one.

Okay.

I think that's a pretty good answer.

On day one.

This is my boy's dad on

like four Audi dealerships.

That's cool.

I'm going to just have, I'm going to say, hey, what did I tell you the first day y'all see me in practice?

Hopefully answer.

You might be test driving an Audi right now.

Oh, he didn't answer.

Bro, you fucked up.

Needed you on this call right here.

He'll call back.

But, like, yeah, I've never thought, like, you never had a doubt.

I never had a doubt.

Because I was knew how good you were already.

No, bro.

I knew where I didn't want to go back to, right?

Which was the fucking projects.

In Atlanta.

Yes.

I'm like, this is my past.

I got to figure out how to make this work.

And I was always very talented in all the sports I played, which was basketball,

track,

and football.

I like,

I knew, like,

I knew, I don't know, like, some people know, like, I've never thought of really doing anything else than growing up as a kid, you know what I mean?

Yeah, sure.

I wrote a poem

at, what,

second grade?

Might be first or second grade.

It was like, Jones, my name, basketball, football, my game.

One day, I'm going to be rich.

and we're going to go to the Hall of Fame.

Wow.

And like, I have the poem.

And the crazy part about it, it's on like a

wash sheet.

I don't know how to explain it.

Like, it's blue coming down the brown.

And I drew a picture at the end of it of a bunny on a bike throwing up the deuces.

I don't know

how I thought of that at that age.

But yeah, like, I've never

had intentions of doing anything else.

But just playing this game.

I had one job.

What was your job?

I worked at

Crystals for two days.

Two days?

Yeah.

Okay.

And the second day, I pretty much sold the whole goddamn store.

I had everybody from the projects coming up getting Crystal cheeseburgers.

I'm like, bro, this is not for me.

Yeah.

My grandma's like, you should just try.

No.

Nah.

Nah.

Two days,

probably gave away 600 burgers.

Wait, gave away?

Yeah.

I thought you meant you were selling them.

Hell no.

Hey, bro.

All my boys in the projects.

Y'all better get up here right now, boy.

This is my last day doing this shit.

This is not for me.

At first, they were like, wow, man, we moved a lot of product today.

Thanks.

You're like, oh, yeah, that shit was free.

Yeah.

I don't know why they put me at like the cash register

knowing that it was my first job.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I'm working at Taco window.

I'm like, these folks crazy.

These folks are fucking crazy.

Just come by.

Hey, what you want?

$5 even.

Just come on around to the front.

Yeah.

There you go.

Hey, buddy, whole projects.

Y'all better come up here today, bro, because this is going to be my last day.

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What do you, how excited?

Like, when you see what college kids are getting now, don't you kind of go, like, man, when I was there, this would have been some shit.

Um,

if I were Ryan back time

and I was going to college right now, yeah,

I would probably get

four year.

Yeah.

They're getting paid.

I'm all for it, though.

I like it.

Recruitment-wise,

when you look back, because you know, you're a legendary Mountaineer, obviously.

But I always feel like it's fun to know how the recruitment process went.

And was there like a close number two?

Was it like it was almost this other school?

Oh, yeah.

So I was committed to Georgia Tech.

You're committed to Georgia Tech.

I was committed to Georgia Tech.

You could stay home, basically.

I was going to stay home.

I had offices from everywhere.

Georgia, Notre Dame, NC State, Tennessee, Northern, I say Notre Dame, Miami, Florida.

I pretty much could have went anywhere besides Michigan and Ohio State.

And

first I wanted to stay home.

Then my grandma got sick with cancer.

I was like, I got to get away from here.

Just so mentally

it don't drain me.

Yeah, yeah, sure.

But yeah, Chane Gailey was the coach at Georgia Tech at that time.

Yeah, I almost went to Georgia Tech.

And then my boy Karen Fox, who went to Georgia Tech, who went to high school with me, played in the league for a good little while.

He was like, bro, this school shit hard as fuck.

I was like, oh, really?

He's like, yeah, man, we got to go everywhere.

I said, y'all doing all the work?

That one's off the list.

Yeah.

And so

the visit I went to West Virginia, we wasn't doing no goddamn work.

Work was football.

Yeah, yeah.

You're like, this feels right.

This sounds like what I want to do right here.

So, yeah.

And Rodriguez and Coach Bird and Coach Gibby,

it was really good to me.

Coach Rod was a player's coach.

No, Coach Rod is a coach coach.

Coach Rod.

First of all, he's disciplined, but

he's what I needed.

I should say this.

Like, because I've never never really,

I don't like soft coaches.

Yeah.

I want you to tell me when I'm right, when I'm wrong, how I'm doing it, the way to do it better.

It's your fucking job.

You know what I'm saying?

And some guys, they like the soft coaches.

Like, Coach Rod is, he's a player's coach, but

if you want to get better, you want to win?

You do this coach.

He's not one of them soft, easygoing coaches.

It comes from the bottom of his heart, though.

He's a great dude.

Yeah.

And like you respect it.

Yeah.

You respect the fact that this guy cares.

He's holding you accountable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can see that.

When you,

okay, same thing when you said you got to college, you're like, I'll be here three years and I'm out.

Yeah.

Do you feel the same way when you arrive with the Tennessee Titans?

You're in the NFL now?

It's like, I'm here to...

I was here to stay at Tennessee.

But I'm saying you feel that confident, too, going in the NFL?

You do.

I was was the first defense.

I know.

First defense blood players.

But I mean, I've always

had my confidence have never changed.

Yeah.

Like,

I think I can do.

I might can't tell a joke better than you, but anything physically, physical, or athletic-wise,

I feel like I'm the best in anything.

Yeah.

And I've never not thought.

Oh, hold on, hold.

Hey, it's funny.

Hey.

Say hey to Tom.

What's up, man?

Tom, what's up?

How you doing?

Hey, we're doing a show right now.

What did I tell you the first day I walked in the locker room?

Look like you had the dealership, huh?

Yeah, at the start.

Can't you put it here?

Monday.

Pack, put it here near the mic so we can hear it.

You said

you guys got about two and a half years with me, three years max, and I'm out.

He's not lying, man.

Sitting there, like, yo, bro, like, I'm not coming here to stay, but like, this is not, this is not home to me.

Yeah.

It is home, but, like, I'm out of this motherfucker.

Y'all better get everything y'all can get out of me in these next two and a half years.

That was the story.

Yeah, three years, that's it.

I'll be in the league.

See you guys later.

Pim.

There was a minimum you had to play, right?

Yep.

Yeah.

Yeah, so it's junior year now.

Yeah, man.

That's cool, bro.

All right.

I just want to have you tell that story.

We got any new whips down there, bro.

We need to get some of these whips to WVU, bro.

What's up?

What about the golf, man?

I'm waiting to play golf.

That's the wrong way, man.

Your ass don't want to play no golf.

Okay.

All right.

That was great.

That was amazing.

So, shout out my boy, Pat.

All right.

You're in the league.

It's every kid's dream.

I'm sure this is for you.

The real, like you said, you left a life that you didn't want to go back to.

It's a rough

upbringing, obviously, in a tough, tough part of Atlanta.

Now you're in the league.

How crazy is getting a first NFL check?

Oh, it was crazy.

I'll never forget it.

It's different between having a couple hundred thousand.

Yeah.

Then you're getting one check and you got

eight million dollars in your bank account.

Yeah, that's that is pretty cool.

I was like, hell yeah.

Go buy every motherfucking thing.

Yeah.

Do you remember the first big ticket you bought?

Big ticket item?

The first big ticket item was I bought 60 acres.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

My crib in Nashville.

That was the first big ticket.

I spent 1.8 for it.

And I bought my mama's house, cars, galore.

Yeah.

I'm a big car guy, though.

Sure, yeah.

Who was your first big car?

Like big ticket cars?

First, well, I bought a Calax.

That's when the EXT was out.

The CTL convertibles, the first year they came out, 2006.

I spent like $1.20 on that one.

But the Bentley, I had a Bentley and Lambo.

Damn.

Two months later, I think I spent like $190, $200 on the Bentley.

The Lambo was like $2.25.

Yeah,

it's good shit, man.

Calax trucked the week after that.

So you went hard.

Yeah, I did.

I I probably like I was good though, because I took

some of that and couldn't touch it for like 10 years.

Oh, you put it in like in a trust account or something?

I don't want to tell everybody my business.

Yeah, yeah, but sure.

Where you put yours at?

Trust account.

That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

So we ain't, they can't sue us for us.

Yeah, sure.

Some people don't understand that.

Good luck, motherfucker.

Good luck, motherfucker.

Yeah.

Touch me again, I'm going to whoop your ass.

You think you're getting some of this money?

Yeah, boo.

No,

but yeah.

Motorcycles, I'm a big motorcycle guy, four-wheelers.

If you look back on, you know, crazy purchases, what is the dumbest shit you ever bought?

Like, you know, when people are like, well, I went to Miami one weekend, bro.

And this was like my second time going to Miami.

And I got in like a bottle war.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, at like a club.

Club.

Which was the dumbest shit ever.

Like some other dudes, like, I got four bottles, like that kind of thing.

And you're like, I'm going to get eight bottles.

Yeah.

This one,

Trina and Trick Daddy, that's when, this was

2006.

That's when the beach was cracking.

Like, everybody was there.

Like,

who's who was on South Beach?

And I just so happened to be sitting right beside them.

And I was like, whatever bottle they buy, I'm going to buy two of them, two more, yeah.

And what I didn't realize was, I don't think they were paying for their bottles, they were getting free bottles, yeah, and they were like, but you, yeah, and my tab ended up being like $76,000.

I told that dude, I don't know who ordered all that, but bro, no, no.

And at that time, I didn't even know what Crystal

was.

Them fucking bottles was like

$2,000.

Come on, man.

I'm like, bro, you know, I'm young, you know, not thinking how high these bottles really are.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was probably one of the dumbest things

that I've would like to take back.

That $80,000 tab.

Everything else, like.

What's the most you ever dropped to a strip club?

80K.

That's pretty fucking intense.

Yeah, I won a million dollars in Vegas.

Oh,

when I got in trouble that night, really?

And I took $100,000 to the club.

But you won a million before.

A million dollars.

On tables?

Yeah, playing crops.

That was the night I got in trouble, bro.

Really?

They rode me back to.

I was at the Palms at the Michael Jordan party.

I can't tell all this, like, how I want to tell it, but I was at the Michael Jordan party

at the Palms Hotel.

And I ended up winning a million dollars.

They took me back in a fucking brink truck back to Caesars Hotel.

I had the whole top floor at Caesars.

And you know how much a million dollars is in cash and honey.

So I'm quite sure you know that's a lot of money.

It's a lot.

It's the equivalent of, how do I explain this?

Maybe 100,000 wands.

Yeah, it's just like.

So I have enough room to put the money in.

So I had to go to all of the rooms that all of my I had like 20 rooms on the top floor.

yeah i'm going to each room putting in the code putting 50 in this one oh 50 in this one because i had no word yeah to hold the whole money and i was damn sure wasn't gonna leave my whole million dollars in one room um

my stepdad actually

rip red

um

he didn't even leave the room after i won a million he just stayed stayed in the room for me really just like yeah

yeah

that's cool yeah

he's one-on-one i miss him bro He was a good dude.

Good for me.

Yeah,

that is also

You talk about experiences.

I can't imagine the rush of winning a million dollars.

Yeah,

so the most the most I've won is a million one time.

I don't won like 300,000 a couple times.

I don't lost the most I've lost.

That's a good question.

Probably like 300.

Craps?

Yeah.

That's your game.

Yeah.

I play blackjack too, but like I don't understand craps.

I don't know.

Like when I like blackjack is a game that I, you know, learned a long time ago.

It's like, it's like a comfort thing where I go, I see a blackjack table.

I go, I sit.

I see craps.

Everyone's having a great time, but I'm like, I don't know what's going on.

I love it because I'm saying

seven, you out of there.

Yeah.

On the first roll, you win on seven, eleven.

If you roll two, three, or twelve,

you lose.

Um, in the casino, you don't lose up top when you roll 12.

But I was betting $4,000

every number.

Every number.

So every time I'm rolling, unless I go out, I'm winning $4,000.

Wow.

So I caught fire.

Yeah.

I don't caught fire a couple times, but and I'll take them down.

Like, so let's just say I hit six numbers at 4,546 5.

nine

and then I turn them off and then let it go but like yeah I've had some good

really good times in the casino.

I bet, man.

We should play crap sometime.

You take me to play craps.

Yeah.

I'll go play craps with you.

Yeah, let's do it.

Let's do it.

I'll have a Vegas date later this year.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, cool.

Now, on a trouble night, you said you got in trouble that night.

You got in trouble a couple times.

Yeah.

What is like, did you ever have any

wild shit happen locked up, or was it always pretty much in it?

I'm a ticking time bum.

Like

I can hold my own.

I believe that.

I've never had now with me and an officer, yeah, probably, but like inmates, no, no, because I'm coming in on bullshit time.

First of all, I'm probably pissed off that I'm in there whenever I'm going.

Yeah, and a couple times I'm probably

bruised up.

Yeah, yeah, not bruised, boozed.

Yeah.

And so you're boozed up, so everyone's like staying clear, you mean, like people just know.

Um,

I don't know, but no one's like, Oh, you're famous, like that's crazy that you asked me that tea because I never think about that, really.

Out of all the million times I've been to jail, yeah,

it's normal.

Like, all right, hurry up the fuck up and come get me.

Yeah, it's and if I got to sit in there a couple days, I don't even want nobody to talk to me, yeah,

and no one does, but I'm just saying, like, because they do because they know who I am, that's what I'm saying.

Go ahead and cut it off quick.

Don't talk to me, like him, oh man you know pac-man here in jail you know shut the up

that motherfucker crazy okay yeah

okay

okay

okay yeah leave me the alone what do you tell a young guy

what would you tell like a rookie today about going into the league?

What's your advice to that guy?

Maybe even a young Pac-Man.

Like for my son, whatever to him.

First of all, don't do what I do.

Do what I tell you.

You know what I mean?

Everything is a business.

Like, coming from college to the league, I see a lot of guys that

forget, like, this ain't college, bro.

This is business.

Win-win, guess what?

The coach is fucking getting fired.

The GM is getting fired.

There's going to be some new motherfuckers in here in four years.

So it's really

big business.

and

you are what you put out.

You're only good is your last performance.

And I understood that.

Like, I teach

my son, like, he's probably, well, he's the third fastest kid in the nation.

Third fastest kid in the nation?

Yeah, he's a real deal.

But

he understands the process.

Like, I have to tell this motherfucker, hey, yo, bro, put the ball down.

Like, stop dunking the ball.

We got damn near six basketball goals all the way around the house.

Like

he's just always like he's he's he understand and I will say this

It's easier for him to understand

because he got a picture in front of him

of me

Chris

a lot of Vontez people that he's around T.

Higg that he he kind of tonervision.

Yeah, I guess

he can emulate you guys like Yeah,

it's hard to explain it, but like, I guess the best way to say it is, like, you are what you hang around.

Is his favorite basketball or football?

Football.

Football.

Yeah.

And he's fast as shit.

Man, this little motherfucker is so fast.

Like, he's way better than me.

Like, I was not what he was at seven years.

He just turned seven, bro.

Seven?

This motherfucker just turned seven and can run 100 up on the 13 seconds.

Wow.

I bet you you couldn't beat him right now in a 100-yard dash.

I would take

your own.

You bet on it?

No, I would bet against me as well.

I will bet anybody as much as you want that his kid will beat me.

Go ahead and take that action.

Junior's one-on-one.

My oldest daughter, Zanaya, she's at Mississippi State right now, full ride, getting paid.

Nice.

She's a track star, too.

Jesus.

You guys.

My middle daughter, Trent,

she's a pretender.

She's really blessed and gifted

but like it's hard to get her she's more of the no dad i want to do tick tock instagram okay she's so gifted and talented um

she actually run track right now um the coach didn't let her run she was a freshman running varsity

you know you got one of them kids that know know that

know that they're good and Don't want to really like dial into it.

Yeah, of course.

That's true.

Yeah.

But she'll get there, yeah, it'll click because she likes like she likes nice things.

If you like nice things, you got to put the work in to get nice things, that's true.

And everybody ain't gonna be a track star, that ain't for everybody.

I'm not pushing that on her, but like, yeah, hey, this is some money over here that you might not want to leave on the table, yeah.

You can get this to go build something else, and um, that's what I'm trying to drill in her head right now.

When I um

look back at NFL stuff, people always,

you know, if they're talking about dirty players,

they always talk about defensive players.

But I'm wondering,

do you look back, do you ever think of any offensive player as a Curtis bitch ass who played with the Jets, the receiver?

He was a slumback, bro.

Really?

Hell yeah.

I chased his ass after the game I was trying to get to him because he was

bad.

Curtis.

Oh, Kenny.

I don't even know his fucking first name.

He was 87 or 88 or something for the Jets.

Is that Curtis Martin?

No, he was receiver.

Receiver.

But he was fucking just blocking after the play, clipped me a couple times.

And he wouldn't stop.

I had to punch him.

And I got a 15-yard penalty this game, too.

Who's the 2012 roster?

Let's see that.

What year is this right here?

This is 12.

Try 14.

Percy Harvin's there?

Jeremy Curley's there.

Scroll down.

Yeah, this might be the year right here.

Who was 87 on that team?

Scroll to the roster.

Yeah.

It's further down.

There we go.

One of these guys.

Who we got?

87.

Eric Decker's there.

Pull up Eric Decker picture.

Was it Decker?

It was.

It was?

It was Decker.

He was doing dirty shit.

Yeah, that's what it was.

That's who it was.

Yeah.

He was, bro.

I'll never forget this game.

I almost fucking, I almost lost it.

On him.

Yeah.

It was Decker.

So it was like after the game.

I chased his ass after the game, too.

Like, all the way to the bus.

All the way to the bus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All the way to the bus.

Like, blocking the back as the whistle blows.

Yeah.

Me and

me and Kelsey, we had a couple little conversations too.

I used to fuck with.

Yeah, it was funny.

How incredible is seeing a white receiver, corner, or punt returner in the NFL?

Don't you go, man, you're pretty special.

Yeah, well, not receiver-wise, because it's a lot of really good white receivers.

Like slots.

Like, for real.

Like, that can fucking route your ass up.

Yeah.

Dan, Amadola.

Yeah.

I had, Danny was on my team.

He was on practice squad.

He wasn't even on the, on the roster.

Really?

When we first went to Dallas.

And I would tell him, like, this little motherfucker, he got juice.

really, like, got juice.

And

a lot of guys,

I should say, white receivers, a lot of white receivers

get looking over because they just don't run that fast, but they play fast, right?

Different like skill set almost, right?

Like, way fast and out of brakes and all of that.

But that was 40 times, just not, it might not be a 4-3, it might be a 4-5.

That was the famous thing about it's not a wide receiver, but Jerry Rice is that he was like a 4-6 guy yeah but he's jerry rice he's like incredible when he's when the ball's in his hand yeah and jerry rice don't don't don't drop too many balls no he's got pretty decent hands i've heard yeah yeah yeah um i'm not a rice fan but like for the most part no he's not he's not cool um

i've met him one time um i ain't gonna say he ain't cool

I don't know him.

I just, from me looking at him from afar, I just, I haven't been, that's, he wasn't my, one of the guys that I looked up to.

Yeah.

Who was that?

He was more like a bad, bad boy guy.

Like, I like Mike Irvin.

Yeah, sure.

You know what I mean?

Because somebody I can relate to.

Yeah.

LT?

LT.

Love LT.

Man, LT.

Oh, my God.

I still love watching an LT clip, highlight reel, interview, everything about him.

I love everything about LT.

I was chilling with him not too long ago.

Really?

Drunk a whole fucking ball.

I was like, bro, we don't really drink.

He's like, well, you sit right here.

You're going to drink it all with me.

Jesus Christ.

He's one-on-one.

One-on-one.

Unbelievable person.

And can hit a fucking golf ball, too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was something else, too.

I mean,

any coach that talked, they're like, man, we couldn't.

It was like, it was like having a like a pit bull on a leash and then you let it go.

And that they're like, there's just nothing you could do.

They would design an entire scheme for the week leading up

just yeah just to like try to avoid this guy yeah that's really he's lt 101 man and he's

the football is unbelievable he's by far the best football player that ever played the game yeah but um besides that he's an unbelievable fucking person like unbelievable like i can't

he a good shit talker too now oh yeah

what the original anything anything you're doing with him competing

you might well get ready yeah

you might well get ready it's gonna it's it's i talk a lot of shit

yeah he is the creator of shit talking i mean the original those great old nfl films things where they'd have mics on him that was like i think most people's introduction to like oh this is what happens on the field yeah we it was like we're a pack of wild dogs today like all that shit it was and he's he's like that though like wake up and play golf yeah I ain't even getting no sleep trying to goddamn.

I've been beating your ass all.

I'm like, what the fuck?

How you come up with this?

I've been beating your ass all morning.

You know what I mean?

Like, well, this is the first hole.

He's like, nah, I was beating your ass all morning.

While you were asleep, I was already beating you.

So he's a good shit talking.

He's the fucking greatest.

Who, what about rivalry-wise?

Is there somebody

the shitburgers who you hated the most?

We want to beat them.

Yeah,

I don't fuck with nothing in Pittsburgh.

I don't even date girls from Pittsburgh when I was dating.

You got to realize, like,

I've never had a reason to like Pittsburgh.

Well, also, you were.

You went to WVU.

WVU.

Fuck pick.

Fuck pitch.

Eat shit, pick.

And then you're a bangle and made it even worse.

Yeah.

Yeah, so my whole life, I should say.

Me being a grown-up,

I don't, that's just.

You don't fuck with Pittsburgh.

Yeah, and I mean that.

Like, yeah.

My boy came to my house and had the nerve to wear a fucking, I wasn't there.

So

they come in town.

It was actually the week that Cincinnati played Pittsburgh.

This is after football, too.

Yeah.

And I get in, I walk down, like,

boy, you got.

It was a.

It was, you know what it was?

It wasn't even a jacket.

I mean, a jersey.

It was a blanket, you know.

Oh, yeah.

The blanket.

Yeah.

I said, hey, bro.

Take that shit and put it outside, bro.

Do not bring that shit in the house.

He looked at me like I was tripping.

Yeah.

So I walked back upstairs.

He go back in the studio because I got a recording studio down at the bottom where I do my music and stuff at.

So I'm saying, I wait about 10 more minutes.

I'm looking at the cameras, though, to see if this motherfucker is going to walk out the door with this fucking thing, this Pissburst shit.

He sit his ass down there.

I gave him about four or five more minutes.

I walked downstairs.

I said, Man, didn't you hear what the fuck I just told you, bro?

I said, Take that shit out of my house.

And he was like startled.

Like, I was dead ass for real, too.

Yeah.

Like, no, for real.

Get it off.

That's one thing.

Like,

and, like, of course, like, I have to commentate about different things, which I'm not biased on that part, but I am biased about anything else when it comes to Pittsburgh.

yeah like I have

zero love for

like did he end up taking it out and me I mean I'm athlete we go to Pittsburgh I'm not that's the trip that you don't need me on yeah

you don't I'm not walking in there like but you really hate it yeah did he take it out yeah yeah do you set it on fire no I made him take it it was it was his blanket so yeah I ain't want to be too too rough on him but like hurry up and get that shit out of here bro yeah like we don't anybody that know me, they know.

Yeah, that Pittsburgh.

Only thing he ain't fucking with them.

Yeah, he ain't fucking with them.

And I like Mike Tumlin.

Yeah.

As a person.

Sure.

I ain't going to fucking Mike Tumlin party.

Not while he with Pittsburgh anyway.

He moved somewhere else, I might go, but like, no, that's just

me, man.

I'm loyal to a team, and I don't fuck with black and yellow.

That's just one team I don't fuck with.

I get it, man.

Not college, not little league,

high school, definitely not the pros.

And definitely not any Pittsburgh restaurants.

Anything Pittsburgh.

I don't fuck with the baseball team, Pitt Beach, pocket team,

the Pirates.

Yeah.

The airport.

The airport.

You ain't going to catch me in that motherfucker.

They got to pay me a real big bag for me to come to Pittsburgh.

I ain't talking about no little one.

I believe it, dude.

So, what is, because

you're

a super super interesting guy to chat with and hang out with.

What do you feel like is a general misconception about you that people would be surprised to know?

Um,

I'm really like

a loving and caring person.

You know what I mean?

Uh, um,

if if I fuck with you, I fuck with you.

Um, I think that's everybody think I'm so like unapproachable.

Yeah.

Because I do have an on and off switch.

Yeah.

I mean, I had a bit about it yeah but

it's a pac-man

tell that motherfucker I picked

motherfucker I love yeah um

but you are approachable guy I am approachable in certain circumstances and just don't come at me the wrong way kind of thing it seems like right like I'll give you the shirt off my back

But they better not fuck with you now while I'm right there.

You know what I'm saying?

I feel like what you're saying is

in the short time that I've known you is true.

The other thing I think would surprise people, I think you're a pretty self-aware, introspective guy.

Like in a short conversation with you, you're like, oh, this guy really is a layered thinker.

I think it would surprise people who only...

Yeah, a lot of people think I'm dumb.

I don't mean that.

I just meant that.

No, you just said.

I didn't think you were dumb.

You just said.

I thought you were pretty dumb.

Yeah, you thought I was dumb.

No, I didn't meet me.

I didn't think you were dumb.

What I was saying was that you dumb.

You can tell the truth, bro.

I'm telling the truth, man.

I'm saying that you don't expect sometimes when you meet somebody for them to volunteer right away their philosophy and their introspection.

And it usually indicates that somebody is a deeper thinker than you would otherwise believe.

People read headlines about you.

That's not like fully knowing somebody.

So I think it was a surprise.

And I think it's something that people would be surprised to know.

He's not dumb.

Well, he just said he thought I was dumb.

People keep thinking that I'm dumb I don't think you're dumb it might help me in the long run I am dumb

I'm dumb okay

how the fuck I'm in this dumb oh my god you're not dumb dude I just look like this um

and then you see

The guys that I hang around if you hang around dumb people, you'd be dumb.

I don't hang around no dumb people.

You have a lot of smart friends.

Well, you were one of them.

Thank you.

I'm not that dumb.

I am kind of dumb, but look smart to me.

Sound smart to me.

Well, thanks, man.

I do want to tell people before

you leave about the Pac-Man Jones show.

Yeah.

That this is a podcast that

you can get real, raw

insight, analysis, opinions on all kinds of things.

Obviously, like you're also good, good friends with Pat McAfee, and you've been part of that show.

And

it's fun to watch you and those guys.

It's an entertaining, fun show, and you interact with them all the time.

But there's just places that people can see you is my point.

Oh, yeah.

You can see me anywhere, but you can catch me on the Pac-Man.

The Pac-Man Jones show.

Politely, Raw.

I'm on all platforms.

Also,

My music is the real Pac-Man Jones.

I got some new music that's coming out, it's been doing pretty good, and you know, shout out my boy Pat McAfee.

I'm on there offseason, nice.

Um, so yeah, it's been good, man.

I've truly

been blessed to be around

a lot of good people, to learn a lot of good things, and um,

I don't take it for granted to have a relationship with a certain

network of

is

what they say, it's not about, it ain't about,

how does it say?

It says it's not about

what you know, it's about who you know.

Um, it's a lot of smart people in this world, and I'm definitely not the smartest person in the world.

I'm very dumb, and it's good to have

smart

people

around my dumb ass because they can help me, I guess, get smarter.

You know what I mean?

And I don't take it for granted.

Definitely don't take it for granted.

Like, all my relationships, I kind of like keep them right here, tucked in.

One of the cool things about the fight that we were at was watching

people interact with you.

Because people are genuine.

Like, I saw a lot of people light up when they saw you.

They were very excited.

My Rolandix is

pretty long.

Yeah, I believe it.

Even I watched you hit up Jerry.

Yeah.

And that was fun to watch.

Jerry is like dad

to a certain extent.

Shout out to the Cowboys Jerry Jones.

Was that an awesome experience?

It was.

It was.

Yeah.

Shit.

You have shit on the gold toilet?

We got money, but like...

No, I've never shot it.

I've never thought about buying gold toilets.

He hasn't?

You never thought about it?

I remember that was like a, even before his presidential stuff, that was a Trump thing that they were like, oh, his apartment in Manhattan has a gold toilet.

Jerry Jones had gold toilets.

Shit.

As long as I'm talking, this go all the way back.

I'm curious, he had that house for God knows when, but

man, I'm talking about everything in the bathroom fucking gold, bro.

Like, no, little gold.

I'm talking about real gold.

Real gold.

Yeah.

Like, yeah.

That was my first time even knowing what a bidea was.

Blowing.

What the?

Oh, my God.

What we got going on?

And you're like, I got to get one of these.

Yeah.

There's no other experience.

After you use a bidet and then you leave and you're somewhere that doesn't, you're like,

am I an animal?

I'm mashing shit against myself?

Just give me a spray, man.

Give me the bidet.

Yep.

Did I say it right?

Bidet?

Bidet.

Bidet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hell yeah.

I got one of those now.

It's the bath.

Shout out.

Jerry turned me on.

And you shot on a gold toilet.

Everything in Jerry's, every bathroom, all the bathrooms that I went in when I stayed at Jerry World will gold.

That's wild.

Yeah, have you seen his yacht?

I saw that on Instagram.

Yacht crazy.

It's called Bravo Eugenia.

Yes.

Six.

You see the toilet?

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

Telling you, bro.

That ain't the bathroom, though.

Yeah, that is not his bathroom.

He's talking about Jerry Jones' bathroom.

I'm talking about Jerry Jones' bathroom.

That is his fucking yacht.

That's fucking fucking nuts.

That's crazy.

How much does that cost?

225 million?

Woo!

Yeah,

yeah, that's pretty intense.

That's what I haven't been on, though.

I gotta ask Jerry.

You gotta hit him up.

Hey, bro, let me get the yacht, Jerry.

Just for like a weekend.

Let him fucking hang out.

Yeah.

That's a 358-foot yacht.

Wow.

That's pretty insane.

Fucking house.

That's pretty insane.

That's a whole goddamn hotel, man.

225 225 million yeah

that's there's levels to this level to this

there's a big level to this god damn well

that's cool that you have such an affection for him i think that's awesome yeah um look he's always been good to me even after football really um

certain investments certain things i've done um

to still be able to live the way that

it's comfortable i should say Yeah.

He got a big part of that.

Really?

That's awesome.

And he's somebody you can run ideas by, like that kind of thing.

He's somebody I can run ideas and money by.

Yeah.

And he'll give you a good idea.

He's a real deal.

That's awesome to hear.

This was

so much fun.

I can't thank you enough for coming here.

Don't forget to check out the Pac-Man Jones show, Politely Raw.

You'll see him.

in the offseason on the Pat McAfee show.

You might see us at a craps table really soon.

I'm going to take my Good Luck Charm Pac-Man Jones to the table.

You're going to show me what's up because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

We'll start off with like five grand.

Okay.

And then we'll see.

We'll see what we come back with.

Okay.

And if we hit something crazy, oh, we're going to hit something.

Then we're going to go out.

We play to win the game.

We are bringing the money out.

Yeah.

We'll put the most in the safe and then we're going out.

Yeah, we're going out.

Okay.

Thank you, brother.

Thanks for coming in.

Man, I appreciate you.

We'll see you guys next week.

My boy.

Absolutely.

Shmow me.

Bert and Tom, Tom and Bert.

One goes top of swile, the other wears a shirt.

Tom tells stories and Bert's the machine.

There's not a chance in hell that they'll keep it clean.

Here's what we call two bears, one cave.