Episode 85 - Medical Mythbusters

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This month saw the publication of the Beef Institute's annual Healthcare Attitude Survey.

The survey asked over 30,000 people working in the beef and dairy industries about their beliefs around healthcare, and yielded some notable discoveries.

Among them the revelation that 67% of workers think that ingrowing toenails are a sign of witchcraft, and a full and 87% said that kidney stones are, and I quote, a gift from a vengeful God given in return for a life of wanton sin, calumny, lust, envy, and greed, a righteous gift of justice wrapped not in colourful paper, but in tender kidney meat.

That's right, 87% of people said that specific thing, those specific words.

In general, the views of the beef and dairy industry workers were found to be very antiquated compared to the population at large, with many believing hearsay and old wives' tales about health matters.

To find out more and to bust some of those medical myths, I spoke to television GP Dr.

Sam Archer, best known for Bibc2's lunchtime prescription and Channel 5's The Great Big British Jubilee Prolapse Live.

I began by asking him whether this antiquated attitude about health issues in workers from the beef and dairy industries is something that is evident to him.

So, yes.

Let me give you a bit of background just so you know what we're talking about here.

So, we're talking about medical myths, what people used to call old wives' tales.

This actually doesn't stem from the idea that there were stories that were passed around by the older generation.

It comes from the fact that, actually, sort of in around the 9th or 10th century, when viewed in the dark, many people would think that a cow

was an old wife.

Right.

And it was, of course, believed that cows had healing powers.

Yes.

And so that's where it stems from: is these old, so you would look, and so you'd see this old wife, and then round the back, you'd find the tail.

Right.

And so, old wives' tales, like these sort of medical myths and things,

that was actually in reference to seeing a cow at night.

So, sort of, if you like, ever since then,

medical myths and rumours and things like that have been forever connected with the beef industry.

I see, I see.

So you're saying there's a historical link between the idea of a kind of bullshit notion of how to treat your illness and beef.

Well, I mean, what have you just said?

Once again, you see, every single phrase to do with sort of inaccuracy or being inaccurate comes from the beef industry.

You just said.

bullshit because people used to think that various diagnoses could come from having a bull shit on you and they're sort of looking through the the fecal matter and and discovering the ailments within and of course um people talk about quacks yes quack doctors and a quack is the sound that a duck makes when a cow by mistake sort of walks backwards onto it wow yeah you've read up on this uh that's uh that that's that's exactly the case so we know that there's a number of as you put it old wives tales yeah out there that people who work in my industry seem to be holding on to, you know, as the rest of the population seems to be sort of letting them go.

It feels very old-fashioned.

What we've done here is I've got a list of these medical myths that are very common amongst in the beef industry.

And as a doctor, I just want to put them to you, and you can tell us whether there's any truth in any of these things.

Let's get myth-busting:

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this is one that everyone will know at home uh we all know the phrase a cow's lick can cure all ills yes uh you know many people have that um um you know embroidered and up in their home for example.

And that, of course, was something that the doctors used to have to swear to back in the 15th century, I believe.

Yes.

But it's not currently in the Hippocratic Oath, is it?

Not at all.

No.

So I'm not going to deny that there are certain things which a cow's lick can be beneficial for.

So this used to come from the fact that, you know, people, as we're going on a big night out, they would want to make their hair look nice.

And so they'd get a cow to lick the top of their head, sort of give it a glazed, wet look quality.

Sort of of quiff.

Exactly, exactly.

Tint it.

Think of tint it, something like that.

Yeah.

Probably the most famous example of that is Elvis.

He would get a cow to lick his hair to create that

kind of big quiff.

Wow, really?

That was how he got known before every show.

What, just out the back, there'd be a cow.

He'd bring the cow with him?

Frequently.

Oh, yes.

Yeah, it would always be his cow.

That was crucial.

Right, okay.

Elvis basically encompassed every part of a cow in his life.

So if you think he got the hairstyle from the cow, his famous dance moves were inspired by seeing a newborn baby, a baby calf try to walk and that kind of judgery hips.

And then of course sort of towards later in his life, he would try to sort of commune with cows by just ingesting as much cow meat as possible in the form of cheeseburgers, which is ultimately how he led his demise as well, which is very sad.

I wonder if he was still alive today, whether he would be mooing or whether he would sort of just have gone to live with the cows.

Do you think he was

on a journey to cows?

Because, you know, there was that time, you know, he was well known for wearing full-bodied leather jumpsuits, essentially.

Yes, exactly.

He was essentially creating a sort of cow body for himself.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I'm not sure how much of this will be covered in the biopic, the Basil Erman biopic, but

for those who knew him and for those who know the beef industry, they know that there was a strong link between the two.

I never realised.

And if you think about his songs, You Are Always On My Mind, one of his most famous songs, was actually about a Frisian that he once saw that he thought was particularly nice.

Are there any other examples you can give us of

Elvis songs that show this link?

Are You Lonesome Tonight

was originally sung to a cow.

In fact, if you can think of any Elvis song that's sort of wistful or sort of melancholic and romantic, that's usually, you know, he would be singing that to some kind of cow.

Really?

So

you'd imagine it's probably sung to some young woman.

That's what you imagine.

You do, but in actual fact, I mean, some of them were even recorded.

They set up the recording studio so he'd be within eyeline of a cow.

So he could see it and he could channel those emotions.

And you can hear it in the recording.

You can really hear it.

In those original vinyl pressings,

there's a real emotionality that I think he only was able to achieve by sort of that yearning.

He famously wrote the song Love Me Tender from the point of view of a cow because Elvis believed that the more you loved a cow, the more tender its meat became.

Wow,

beautiful.

Yeah, yeah.

So, we've kind of gone a bit off topic here talking about Elvis.

It's very interesting stuff.

So, you know,

as you've alluded to, a cow would lick his hair sometimes and create that hairstyle.

Yes, yeah.

So, so, what you're saying, really, is that a cow's lick can be a useful thing.

Yes, that's a good distinction.

Useful, I'd say, but not medicinal.

Myth busted.

Okay, next myth.

A diet of nothing but different weights of butter is the best way to live a long life.

Now, this is one we hear all the time.

Yep.

The news will find someone who's 110 years old, and they'll say, what's your secret?

And they'll say, all I eat is butter.

And it's become one of those truisms, isn't it?

There's a good reason for that.

You know why they call them truisms?

Because they're true.

So this is a real, this isn't a myth.

The trouble is when people sort of have unhealthy lifestyles, unhealthy diets, if they'll have butter on bread, they'll have sort of buttery foods, they'll have greasy foods, those kind of things.

What's the problem?

It's not the butter or grease, it's the food.

So what you want to be doing is removing that, so then you're really streamlining your diet just to the tastiest,

the best part of the meal, which in this case is the butter.

And what you want to be doing is, obviously, I don't know if you know much about how metabolisms work, but you constantly want to be shocking the system.

So you want to sometimes give it a full pat of butter.

Sometimes you want to get just one of those little pats like you get at a restaurant with a basket of bread.

So you're constantly mixing up the proportions, constantly mixing up.

Well, we've had an email from Friedel.

Oh, yeah.

He writes, my grandfather, Hans Rossenberger, is now 130 years old.

Oh, wow.

Congratulations.

Congratulations, Hans.

One of his biggest regrets is not killing Hitler when he had the chance.

Oh no.

He was a high-ranking Nazi official during the war and killing Hitler would have put him in the picture for the top job.

That went a little bit left when I thought it was

going straight on there.

Interesting.

Bit of colourful history there.

Yeah.

Friedel writes, since he fled Europe for Argentina, he has lived on nothing but butter, a heavy butter for breakfast, a light lunch butter at midday, and then some almost liquid warmed butter before bed.

He shows no signs of dying.

We have a family joke that he'll live forever.

Yours, Friedel.

Yeah, so what's your take on that?

Well, I mean, it sounds like he's done the absolute dream, which is he's combined a butter-heavy diet with

a life laden with guilt.

And if you can balance those two perfectly, then you'll find that the guilt really helps break down the proteins of the butter, helps you digest it a lot better.

And so, yeah, I would say with that perfect balance, once again, hard to achieve, I don't think you, yeah, there's a chance he could live forever, medically.

I mean, a vis-a-vis him living forever, I would, of course, be passing

this email on to Interpol and whatever authorities.

Yes.

And hopefully we'll get that old Nazi

good and hanged.

God willing.

But you're saying that if he escapes the noose,

his guilt that he carries will actually help him achieve that longevity.

Yes,

I have a lot of elderly patients, and I will usually sort of they'll come in with an ailment and I will give them

a tub of butter and I will tell them to sort of think about maybe someone that they've wronged and just dwell on that for the rest of their days.

Right.

And, you know, a lot of them are now well into their 90s.

Okay, and someone who doesn't carry that kind of guilt with them through their life,

how does that affect their longevity?

Well, that's the trouble, isn't it?

Living a guilt-free life and eating healthily is probably the worst thing you can do for sort of of a long life.

So, you'll sort of die early but regret-free?

Those are your options, really.

You can sort of live guilt-free and die young, or if you want a longer life, just really, really torture yourself with that guilt.

Really, yeah, really, really get some real guilt going on there.

The Queen Mother, of course, lived to 101.

Yep.

So, we assume then she was feeling some deep guilt.

She did some awful things, God bless her.

So, for that myth,

you're saying it isn't a myth.

No, I'm saying that's not a myth busted, that's a myth trusted.

Myth trusted.

Okay, next myth.

Getting kicked in the head by a cow can stop a headache.

Once again, Colonel's a truth in this.

Partially, because obviously being kicked in the head by a cow can just straight up kill you.

So no headache anymore there.

Or yeah, can lead to a concussion or

being unconscious.

Once again, no headache.

Obviously, I would say if you are going to be kicked in the head by a cow,

it is best to have a headache beforehand because if you don't have a headache beforehand, if you get kicked in the head by a cow, you will have one after.

Well, yes, we've had a letter in from Gavin Taylor from Sunderland.

Oh, yeah.

He said, I had a headache that wouldn't go away.

My wife suggested we try and get a cow to kick me in the head.

After hours of trying, we finally managed to get one to connect.

My headache went away for a short period of time while I was unconscious.

When we finally did get a cow to kick me in the head, the pain did go away while I was unconscious for a short period of time.

However, once I came back into consciousness, a new headache started.

We had to find a new cow to kick me in the head and the vicious cycle began.

Now, that seems to...

to chime with what you're saying there.

Thank you, Gavin, by the way, for that letter.

I hope I assume you weren't writing that to us whilst hunting for another cow to kick you out.

I hope you broke that cycle somehow.

Maybe Dr.

Sam, you could tell us about how he might be able to break that cycle if he is still within it.

So, yeah, like I say, it's an inexact science is dealing with the headaches in this way.

And I would say, avoid where possible, unless you're in a field with no access to

paracetamol hybroprofen, all you have is a cow that definitely has back legs and back legs strong enough to render you unconscious, then go for it.

And if you are going to...

So do you really think go for it?

Well, if you literally have no other option.

Like in these situations, you know, if you have to make do,

I'd say try it that way.

The best way to make a cow kick backwards is to try and dress up or make yourself look like a door, like a barn door.

Then it'll try and escape and that'll hit you.

But I would say only in an emergency should you really try that.

Okay.

So it sort of does work, but you may as well try some less damaging options like a painkiller.

If those options are open to you.

And what about the downsides?

You know, Gavin in his email,

we're not entirely sure how he's doing, but it sounds like he might still be caught in a cycle of continuing finding cows to kick him in the head.

Is that something you can break out of?

I mean, I'm going to say no.

Once you're on that path, it's very hard to get off of it.

I would, my hope is that maybe he finds the right cow with the strong enough back legs that sort of finally is the last jolt that he needs to get him out of that.

But those cows are very rare and also i think it's probably a bit of a knife edge as to whether that is the final thing you ever experience exactly exactly i'd say there's the the margin of error between being kicked in the head by a cow so that you no longer have a headache and just and just it it caving in your skull that's about that's about i'd say almost about half a percent is that is that really worth it at the end of the day yeah

wow so I guess with that myth then, you're saying that it's not necessarily a myth, but it's one that you wouldn't necessarily want to indulge.

Is that a good summation?

Yes.

If I can just do sort of a little mnemonic for you to remember.

Oh, yes.

Just remember cow.

Okay.

Cal, sorry, not a mnemonic, it's an initialism.

C-O-W.

C-O-W, which is,

so come on,

and then go, oh, don't be doing that.

And then, well, maybe sometimes.

So that's just how you remember that.

Okay, give me that again.

So you've got.

Okay.

So you go, so cow.

C.

Come on.

O.

Oh, don't be doing that.

W.

Well, maybe it'll work.

Okay.

Good.

Thank you.

So it's hard for me to know whether we've busted the mythy or we're trusting the myth.

Well, I guess

is there a sting for that?

Is there a sting for like

partially busted, partially trusted?

I like it.

I can put that together.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Partially busted.

Partially trusted.

Will he make it, doctor?

It's too early to say.

You never truly respected me.

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Okay, next myth.

A good way to manage chicken pox

is to intentionally get cowpox.

Right.

Some of the antigens that you get from cowpox can help fight chicken pox, but they are different and it is possible to get cowpox, then chicken pox.

What people don't realize, and what the medical profession has tried to keep quiet for some time, is that basically there's a pox for every animal in the barnyard.

You know, if you think about old McDonald had a farm, every single one of them has a pox.

The most common is chicken pox, the second most common is cow pox, then you've got lamb pox, rooster pox,

and it goes all the way down to field mouse pox, and all of them can, you know, can add to the other.

So you can end up getting

spider pox, and then that can lead on to lamb pox.

Do you remember that?

There's actually a rhyme which

started off as a guide to the correct order in which to get the poxes, which then sort of over time became I don't know if you've heard the the old woman who swallowed a fly.

Oh, I see, yeah.

So that's how

of these boxes.

Exactly, exactly.

The joke being that she will, because she's doing them in the reverse order, that you should get the poxes.

Right.

So she had the fly, the spider, the bird, the cat, the dog, the cow, the horse.

Whereas actually, you'd ideally do that in reverse order and then that's the best order in which to catch those poxes.

So horsepox first.

Yep.

That then gives you what, a bit of protection protection for when you get cow pox cow pox which then helps you out when you get the dog pox yes and then which cushions the blow of cat pox yes which by the time you get bird pox

barely touches the sides exactly and then what's next uh so then it's spider pox spider pox which you barely feel and then you know yeah And I assume this came about because at some point in history, somebody walked into a farm yard and said, a pox on all your houses.

Exactly.

I mean, that's the best research that we know suggests that that's exactly what happened.

Someone said, pox in all your houses.

Obviously, not all the animals have technically houses, but they all have like a barn or a kennel or something.

And guessing, whatever curse they did sort of translated it and so put a pox on them.

It's amazing to think it's that simple to create, you know, poxes which have been around thousands of years.

Literally, just go and say that to someone.

And actually, that's the only crime that in Britain carries the death penalty.

So in terms of this specific myth, then that's circulating that a good way to manage chicken pox is to get cow pox,

that's missing the mark.

Yes, if someone is listening and does have chicken pox,

obviously they've gone in at the middle of the scale.

So, do you want to be going up to because that's bird?

So, do you want to be going up to cat or down to spider?

I guess is the big question.

Good question.

Um, you want to work outwards, you'd be starting with bird, right?

And then you would be going uh to

you do cat,

is that right?

And then um, and then cow,

so you're working sort of outwards alternately.

Sorry, I've lost you.

So if you've got a chicken pox, which of course is a kind of bird pox.

Bird pox.

The next up

is cat pox.

It's cat pox.

So you do, so you're working outwards alternately.

So you're going, you do cat.

And then you skip dog?

No, then you go spider on the other side.

Oh, I see.

Okay.

And then you do dog.

Right.

And then you do fly

and then you do cow and then you do horse.

Sure.

And obviously, if you're somewhere on that scale, it's quite easy to work out how you sort of get off that scale by getting the poxes in the right order.

Yes.

What happens if you're getting one of the poxes that doesn't appear on that scale?

For example, hog pox.

You know, which is rampant among, you know, everyone sends their kids off to school and before you know it, they come back.

How was your day, darling?

Oh, it's fine.

But I'm covered in hogpox.

That's not on the scale there.

So it's not obvious where you go next, which pox to get next to try and neutralize the pox you've got.

it's it's very hard there you need to go by weight so you need to go um how much does the hog weigh uh and what's that equivalent to so it would depend on the hog obviously but it could be somewhere between a dog and a cow right so you're you're there on the scale i see you define yourself on the scale and then try and work alternately up and down to work outwards working alternately outwards as we've discussed but if you start at the bottom i.e fly or at the top horse you just go straight through in a linear fashion just in the opposite direction exactly exactly and what if you get a pox of something that's bigger than a horse?

So let's say an orca.

Orca pox.

It's pretty rare, but it happens.

It does happen.

Well,

okay, so you've gone very high up the scale, and obviously there's animals in between.

So you then unlock the sort of

the second tier of this, which obviously goes, so going down, you've got orca, and then you've got elephant,

and then you've got giraffe, then you've got hippo.

Oh, so you're basically finding yourself back onto that scale using weights again.

Exactly, and then and then on under hippo's horse and then as before so i mean obviously you know the most extreme example of this is is blue whale pox yeah um i mean just try and avoid that the number of poxes you're gonna have to get to get from blue whale down to just to horse and then you've got you know horse is just the beginning really in a way yeah yeah yeah yeah i please avoid that please and we've had a letter from susan from bristol oh yes uh she said i had chicken pox um oh no she said she wasn't expecting it to be too bad and to begin with it wasn't

Then then I got foxpox

and grain pox.

Oh, no.

Yes, and she says, I don't think I need to write anything else.

So she's basically got the worst combination of poxes there.

So getting rid of them is

a bit of a faff because you need to, obviously, if you leave the foxpox and

the chicken pox together,

they'll create a sort of superpox, then the grain pox and the chicken.

So

sadly,

the only sort of cure for this is to try and catch raft pox and river pox, and then sort of it all works itself out eventually.

Great.

So the myth was a good way to manage chicken pox is to get cow pox.

Yep.

That was wrong.

That is a myth.

That is a myth.

Remember, it's just the orders that I've said following either way alternately out from the centre or from wherever you have,

whatever pox you currently have working out was from there.

Alternately, you know, just wait it out, should be fine about 10 days.

And, you know, if you find yourself itching, just have a lukewarm bath.

Great.

Myth busted.

Okay, last couple.

There's two here, but I'd say they're linked.

So these are linked myths.

Now, we've all heard this one

around the Christmas party season.

Oh no.

Get drunk in a barn, no hangover.

Yes.

How many people have fallen for that one?

Is that a myth?

Right.

Okay, shall I just do it straight away?

Myth.

I mean a myth.

Really?

Yes.

Because I subscribe to this one.

Really?

Yeah.

Okay, no.

So,

mainly the problem is here is that people often get drunk in barns.

We've all got drunk in a barn for the sake.

I mean, like, me,

that's, you know, a regular Tuesday is getting drunk in a barn.

What happens is usually then people wake up in the barn the next day and what happens is they're too they're too disorientated and they've got too much to sort of deal with

to sort of acknowledge that they've got a hangover.

You know, because of the various things to do, well, for starters, obviously, if it isn't your barn, and the countryside laws dictate that if you stay more than

three nights in someone's barn, you have to be their scarecrow for the rest of your life.

So people are like, how many days has this been?

They're panicking, they want to get out, you don't realise you've got a hangover, you don't even feel it.

So

that's where that myth came from.

So you're saying that people are so worried that they're going to become a scarecrow?

Yes, yeah.

Um, and maybe they look down and they see a bit of um hay poking out of the out of their collar or out of their cuff, and they think, oh, it's an it's happening, yeah, and they have to run, and then they start running, and then obviously, you know, that gets the blood pumping, that starts clearing the head anyway, and uh, by the time they've sort of got away from the barn, they uh they don't think they've got a hangover, but they, you know, they did, they just didn't realize it.

So, in a way, I get, I know what you're saying, I know, I know you're scientific, you know, you're a doctor, you're scientifically telling us us why this works,

but it works.

I mean, so is it what I'm saying is, is that a myth?

And, you know, you're telling us it works, really.

You're just saying it works for reasons we don't think about so much.

You know,

you know, the times I've woken up after a long night drinking in a barn, I'd say about half the time the barn's on fire.

So,

you know,

I'm thinking about that more than my hangover.

And certainly, it's hard to, it's certainly hard to separate the effects of smoke inhalation from a hangover.

Definitely.

So, you know, are you saying that that's what was going on there?

I'm saying, yes, basically, usually the

process of falling asleep and waking up in a bar and having got drunk in it yields enough trauma that the effects of the hangover basically pale into insignificance to whatever you're now dealing with.

Whether it's the fact that you've just committed arson, whether it's the fact that you could spend the rest of your life as sort of a hay beast whose job it is to sort of look over the fields of England.

So, really, what you end up doing is just, you know, know, it depends what you prefer.

Would you prefer to wake up, feel a bit groggy, go downstairs, watch some repeats of Fraser and have some cornflakes, or would you prefer to sort of be running as fast as you can before either you're caught by the authorities or by a very old law, which means that you have to stay stationary for the rest of your life?

But do you see what I mean about

the myth is real, it's not a myth because it works.

It does technically work, but not in the way it's sort of suggested, if that that makes sense.

So I think it's another partially busted, partially trusted.

Partially busted, partially trusted.

Will you make a doctor?

It's too early to say.

After all, it's always Christmas somewhere.

Okay, and finally, connected to that last one.

Oh, yeah.

Have sex in a barn, no pregnancy.

Ah, sounds just true.

No one knows why, but no one has ever been conceived in a barn.

So, so, yeah.

So, that's a true, that's not a myth.

Uh, not a myth, 100% true.

And that is, I am a medical doctor, myth upheld.

Myth trusted.

Yes.

Myth trusted.

And finally, Dr.

Sam, the survey uncovered quite a lot of confusion, maybe about what exactly a kidney stone is.

And I wondered whether you could clear that up and, yeah, just tell us what is a kidney stone.

A kidney stone is a gift from a vengeful god, given in return for a life of wanton sin, calumny, lust, envy, and greed.

A righteous gift of justice, wrapped not in colourful paper, but in tender kidney meat.

Okay.

A kidney stone is a gift from a vengeful god,

given in return for a life life of wanton sin.

Calumny, lust, envy, and greed, the righteous gift of justice, wrapped not in colourful paper, but in tender kidney meat.

A big thanks to Dr.

Sam Archer for that interview.

And if you'd like to see Dr.

Sam in the flesh, he is currently touring a live version of his hit TV show, 24 Hours to save my genitals live on ice the tour begins at London's O2 Arena before visiting Madison Square Garden the Parthenon the Great Wall of China the Tarshmahole and Aylesbury Leisure Centre Aylesbury

tickets start at £140 but if you have a visible genital ailment and a pair of ice skates you can get in for free So that's all we've got time for this month.

But if you're after more beef and dairy news, get over to the website now, where you'll find all all the usual stuff as well as our off-topic section, where this month we show you how to make a salmon sandwich without any salmon or bread.

So until next time, beef out!

Thanks to Linnaea Sage and Tom Neenan.

Hi, I'm Dan McCoy.

I'm Stuart Wellington.

And And I'm Elliot Kalen.

And the three of us host The Flop House.

It's a podcast where we watch a new bad movie and then we talk about it.

Dan, you say it's hosted by the three of us.

We've had a lot of great guest co-hosts like Gillian Flynn, Jamel Bowie, John Hodgman, Jessica Williams, Wyatt Sanak, Joe Bob Briggs, Josh Donaldman, Roman Mars.

Yeah, and you said new movies, but what about the time you did in Meatballs 2?

Okay, okay, yeah, sometimes we do older movies and sometimes we have guests, but mostly it's about us talking about like recent bad movies.

And don't forget about the ones where I made you do a role-playing game where you played cartoon dogs.

Alright, yeah, but shouldn't a promo be a really simple explanation about what our show's about?

So what's the show about, Dan?

What's it about?

What's it about?

It's about friendship, alright?

It's about our friendship and how we love each other.

The Flophouse.

It's a podcast mostly about bad movies on maximum fun.

Do you sometimes wonder what ever happened to the kids at your school who really loved Star Trek?

You might remember a kid like me, the one who read the Star Trek novels and built Starship models.

I also took music classes to avoid taking gym classes that required showering after, but I don't see what that really has to do with...

Or a kid like me.

I introduced myself to kids at my summer camp one year as Wesley, but when the school year started and some of those kids were in my new class, I actually had to explain to my friends that I had tried to take on the identity of my favorite Star Trek character.

The shame haunts me to this day.

I'm sure some of those Star Trek fans from your childhood grew up to have interesting and productive lives, but We ended up being podcasters.

On The Greatest Discovery, you'll hear what happens to two lifelong Star Trek fans who didn't grow up to be great people, they just grew up to be people who love jokes as much as they love Trek.

So listen to our new episodes every week on MaximumFun.org or wherever you get your podcasts.

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