Discovering The Trad Wife Debate

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Speaker 1 Actually, well, this weekend, Tyler and I actually got to get away out of the blue for the weekend. So we got to go camping, just me and him for the first time this summer.
Which was so nice.

Speaker 1 It was nice. We haven't done that in, I think, years.
A couple of years, yeah, two years. Yeah.
Because we didn't last summer, but the summer before we did. Like, what, once? One time, yeah.

Speaker 1 We went to sleepers.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, Ty's niece has been over here for a few days, and she was like, Hey, if you guys want to go away this weekend, I could use the extra money, and I'm sure you guys could use the break.

Speaker 1 And I looked at Ty and he's like, I mean, we should take the opportunity when we get it. Yeah, you were like, Well, I don't know if we should or not.
I'm like, dude, what? I know you don't know.

Speaker 1 Well, because me and you are going camping this weekend. Oh, I know.
We camp, girl. What do we do? We camp.

Speaker 1 I know, you know, it's funny, too, is when we were camping this weekend, some like older lady came up to us and she was like, Oh, you guys rent a cabin? And I was like, No, we have a camper.

Speaker 1 She's like, Oh, you guys have a camper? I'm like, Yeah, bro, just because we're on TV doesn't mean that we're not like oh, she recognizes, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 But for a minute, I was like, Do you think that, like, I don't know, people that are on TV, like, don't camp? They just rent cabins? Like, I mean, the cabins are nice, though.

Speaker 1 We did it before, they are super nice, but I don't know. We've always camped, I've camped my whole life.
That's literally the only thing my mom could afford, right? That was your guys' vacations.

Speaker 1 That was it, yeah. We never camped, so which is so weird.
Your dad is so outdoorsy. I don't know why you guys never camped.
We would do like little backyard things, like sleeping in the backyard or

Speaker 1 backyard,

Speaker 1 swimming in ponds and streams and, you know, stuff like outdoorsy stuff. But yeah, not really like camping.
I'm shocked when I heard that.

Speaker 1 So the first time like really ever getting into camping and like the camping world

Speaker 1 is definitely when I met you and like your mom and stuff is what got me into it. But we did.
I love it. It's one of my favorite things to do.
It's not expensive. It's like, you don't have to.

Speaker 1 It's a big expensive day. I mean, all right, all right, all right.
But still, like, you know, when it compared to normal vacation, right, right. Oh, yeah.
Come on. Way cheaper.
It's nice.

Speaker 1 And we've, you know, we've raised all of our kids now to be campers. They love it.
And they, yeah, they love camping. And so hopefully that's something that they'll continue to pass on.

Speaker 1 No, going back to the whole like sprung on us, you guys want to leave.

Speaker 1 You know, and Tyga was like, just take the opportunity. We need to take the opportunities when you get them.
And I'm like, I know.

Speaker 1 But then I felt guilty, like the mom guilt sets in because I'm like, all right, well, we're going this weekend too.

Speaker 1 But then I kind of like justified the mom guilt because I was like, well, if we're going camping by ourselves two weekends in a row, we come back from camping this next weekend, and then like three days later, we're taking all the kids camping anyways.

Speaker 1 Exactly. They're all going.
We're going to be spending money. Ice cream, water park, splash pad.
Here we go. I mean, come on.
I know, but you know, that mom guilt. It's like, oh, no, now I'm away.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, Kate, you haven't really been away from them all summer. Besides,

Speaker 1 like, what is mom guilt, really? What is that?

Speaker 1 You don't ever have like dad guilt?

Speaker 1 I guess not. I mean, I get what you're, I get what you mean.
I understand what you're saying. But at the same time, it's like our kids have so many

Speaker 1 days that they're going to be here with us. Like, it's okay.
We can take two days. No, I get that.
Yeah. But I feel,

Speaker 1 I don't know. You ever go to like a place? Okay.
So you go, and I know this is relatable because I've seen people talk about it. And I, I, it, obviously it related to me because I'm talking about it.

Speaker 1 But there's these videos of like parents saying you go on vacation without the kids and then you catch yourself looking at everything that your kids would enjoy. And you're like, It's so annoying.

Speaker 1 What was I doing this weekend? Oh, yeah, we were like, oh, look at that little baby. Oh, look at him.
Oh, man. Look at that.
Oh, look at that little girl. Look at that little boy.
He's so cute.

Speaker 1 Our neighbors, when we were camping, even was like, oh, I'm so you got, you know, you got to get away from your three kids. And now, you know, you're next door to somebody who has all three kids.

Speaker 1 And me and Ty were like, oh my god, they're fine. And they were really good kids.
And he's like, ah, yeah, okay. And I'm like, no, they have been.

Speaker 1 Like, we were talking about how they are were kids they were in the camper they ride their bikes around put their helmets on i'm like damn look at them listening didn't ask mom can you come sit outside while i ride my bike

Speaker 1 is our kid like that i don't know if any of the other kids are like that but like our kid won't go outside like they she wants someone outside yeah it's like dude I have big windows all around the house.

Speaker 1 I see everything that's going on. And for people that don't know, like, we live in the country too, like, off of like a weird back street background.
Two dirt roads. Yeah, two dirt roads.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody, you know, and we live on six acres, so it's not like so. Like, our kids could freely play around outside if they want to by themselves without me being out there.

Speaker 1 And she's like, I don't want to be alone. I'm like, Beta, you're not alone.
But if you know, she's always had this fear of being lost.

Speaker 1 You know how she always talks about that? Like, what happens if I get lost? Can I get lost if I'm here? And I'm like, well, you're not going to get lost in the damn yard, dude. Just go ride your bike.

Speaker 1 That one time Nola got lost with her friend, and they we end up down the remember, yes, and that was okay. Listen, that panic, though, is

Speaker 1 like something I can't. Oh, thank God her friend was smart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was crazy.

Speaker 1 So you have to give them the backstory. Because, okay, so one time our

Speaker 1 oldest was with her friend.

Speaker 1 And they were probably like eight. Yeah, they're probably, I don't know, seven or eight.
And they walked down, we have like a little easement.

Speaker 1 They walk down, like, no, it's no one comes down that road because it only leads to our other roads. Right.
So they're walking up and down at this fine.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, they made like a left turn, right? I don't know know what they did. They walked to the dirt road, the main,

Speaker 1 main one. There's two dirt roads you got to get to get whatever.
And they went to that one and just kept walking.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. And then they got turned around.
And I don't know how they got, I really don't know how they got lost.

Speaker 1 I said, if you guys would have kept walking straight, you would have ended up seeing where we are, where we were. Yeah.
And then all of a sudden,

Speaker 1 Noah's friend's mom is here because we're good friends with her too. She gets a phone call and she's like, yeah, you know, your daughter Ari is at my house.
And we're all like, what?

Speaker 1 We thought the kids were just playing outside.

Speaker 1 We didn't even know they were walking down the other road. I'm like, What is going on? And so, Alexa is like, Okay, well, you know, our friend Alexa was like, Well, this is the address we're at.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, Well, I'm getting in my van. Like, I was already outside, like, getting in my van.
What's going on? Go down the easement, go to the main road, and I look both ways.

Speaker 1 And to the left, which is like away from our house, far away from our house, I see the two girls walking with an adult female and an adult male.

Speaker 1 And so, I drive up there, and I about put the fear into God into these little cages yeah you did because you're eight years old you didn't even tell me like you were didn't ask if you could leave the yard and i said you're and i said it right in front of these two adults i said you you should be thankful that these two adults that you even went up to are good humans because You can't just go up to anybody and go knock on somebody's door.

Speaker 1 Like there's weird people in the world. Like that's what freaked me out too.

Speaker 1 Like, I mean, her friend, Noah's friend was smart for, first of all, you know,

Speaker 1 knowing her mom's full number and saying, hey, call my mom. And I told him that afterwards, I said, but you know, you just can't like just go up to random people.

Speaker 1 No, and that actually made a lot of sense because then after that, we instilled, like, this is our phone number. This is our phone number.
This is our phone. Like, it was.
Right. This is our address.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, we had to do that whole, like, all right, we need to, like,

Speaker 1 that was scary, though. Yeah.
Terrifying. That, that panic was like,

Speaker 1 yeah, unexplainable. That's not the first time Nova's done that to me either.
Yeah, but that, but she was really little at that time. Yeah, when she was super little, like, Caesar was still alive.

Speaker 1 We had our Doberman. Yeah, we just moved into the Octagon house and she was probably, she was like four because Veda was just like a newborn baby.

Speaker 1 And our next door neighbor had two little girls, you know, a little bit older than Nova when she was four or whatever. But Nova was like, I want to go play with these kids.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, well, we can probably do it tomorrow. We met the neighbors and everything.
And I'm like, maybe tomorrow you can go play with them.

Speaker 1 I don't even know where you were, but you weren't even home. No, I wasn't.
You called me. I was on my way on my way back.
Yeah, I don't even know where you were. I don't know where I was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, I don't don't know if you had something obviously you had something

Speaker 1 um but i remember i woke up in the morning to you know veda because she's a newborn and nova would always usually like come in my room if she wakes up in the morning and wake me up that you know that's what they that's what vada does now even today

Speaker 1 and she didn't so i thought she was still sleeping i go downstairs with veda and we had like this tall coat hanger thing in our mud room in the octagon house and that thing was on the floor in the mud room and i was like what the fuck i go upstairs Nova's not in her room nowhere to be found I run outside

Speaker 1 well I put Vada in her swing actually because thank God she's the newborn she can't move or nothing I know she'll be safe there put her in the swing I run outside and I'm like screaming her name and our dog was not even in the house so I'm screaming both of their names I run to our chicken coop because I'm thinking four years old she's obsessed with her chickens maybe she'll be out there no she's not in the chicken coop run to the horse barn she's not in the horse barn i'm screaming and screaming and screaming her name and then all of a sudden, Caesar runs from the neighbor's house around the corner of the fence.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, what the fuck? I go over there, and there's Nova just standing in their driveway, staring at their house, our neighbor's house.

Speaker 1 She comes, I go up to her, and I just start. So, once you know, you get over that panic,

Speaker 1 I just start sobbing. And I just looked at her.
I said, You cannot do that. Like, that scared mom.
I thought somebody came in and like stole you. You were nowhere to be found.
And then she

Speaker 1 knocked over. It just looks so- That's what I mean.
It looked like there was literally a ruckus in the house.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Oh, and ever since that day, like, I now, when the kids get a certain age, like, I have weird little locks on my doors.
We have little beepers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And just like the childproof ones that are high up or you fold over the door, they can't open the door.
Because look at Raya. She's at the age right now.

Speaker 1 She tries to open that back door all the time.

Speaker 1 So it's just like, so maybe this is why we need vacations everyone. So you take people up on the airport.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, it's where I get all my damn gray hair from.
But no. So that was nice, though.
We got to get away this weekend and just spend some time with one another.

Speaker 1 And we stayed up late laughing. I know.
Yeah, the first night we were up till like two in the morning. Mom had a couple high noons.
I don't ever get to drink some high noons.

Speaker 1 And, um, you know, we just kind of chill. I'm just doing that.
But

Speaker 1 every time we go out by ourselves, we end up just staying up late, laughing, talking. Yeah, well, but there's nobody saying, hey, wow, hey, dad, hey, hey, can you wait my butt?

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like, there's just no distractions. Yeah.
And it's rare for us now.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, you have one kid, you have Nova, and it's like grandparents wanted to shake her all the time and aunts and uncles and all that.

Speaker 1 And then you have two kids, and, you know, one might go to one grandma's, one might go to the other. And then, you know, and sometimes one's gone and you have one.
You have three or four or more.

Speaker 1 You always got one of them at least. Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean? It's like, you don't, you always at least have one. So it's rare to get all of them.
Somewhere doing something. Right.

Speaker 1 And when you're, and to like not work, too. Like, just go and not have, I mean, literally, me and Ty like laid out by the pond and the pool and just didn't do anything.
Yeah, we just laid out.

Speaker 1 I drank a blue slushie to myself. Oh, blue slushie.
No asking for drinks. No, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 It was good. And I'm excited that we get to go next weekend.
And then the kids can call, you know, and we're taking all the kids and our friends coming with their kids too. So that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 Last one food right before school. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the kids don't even know what's coming in. I know.

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Hopefully.

Speaker 1 I know. So, you know, our kids are having a good year this year.
We've camped a lot this summer, which that's kind of what we do. I know, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, well, we go on vacation with the kids, what, once every other year, pretty much. So, we at least go to like Florida or go to California.

Speaker 1 True, we did, yeah, we went to Florida in December, yeah, and um, when they were on Christmas break, so that worked Easter in Florida before, yeah, we did that too, yeah, what, two years ago or so, yeah, not that, yeah, whatever it was.

Speaker 1 We try to do, we try to do vacations, but so that's just a little snapshot of what we've been up to this weekend and this past week. All I know, too, is like Michigan, it was hot as shit.

Speaker 1 So hot, unbearable. And then it was like we had all these heat advisories and stuff.
And I'm like, wow, I didn't even know that was going on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, remember when we woke up this morning and we're packing up the camper and everything, and Ty's just sweating. Dude, it was immediate.

Speaker 1 I was getting irritated with how fast it was dripping in front of my face. I'm like, all right, dude, I'm done being out here.

Speaker 1 Well, no, and you said you're like, I swear today's hotter than it was yesterday.

Speaker 1 It was. It was so hot.
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Speaker 1 One of the things I wanted to talk about, because

Speaker 1 I noticed that you were listening to it and watching it or whatever, and you put it in our notes about a trad wife. Trad wife.
Everyone out there, trad wife, trad wives, whatever the hell it is.

Speaker 1 I watched a debate. It was trad wife.

Speaker 1 I watched the video because I always like to watch these little debates about like opposing people, whatever. Anyway, so it's trad wives versus feminism or feminists or whatever.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I just, it piqued my interest. I'm like, what the heck is a trad wife? At first, I thought they misspelled and said trade wife.
You know, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 So it's short for traditional wife. Oh, oh, okay, got it.
I'm thinking. Trade wife.
Like, I don't know. As a married,

Speaker 1 so. Yeah, what's the official definition of women? She's a married woman who embraces traditional gender roles, often associated with the lifestyle, idolizing the 1950s housewife.

Speaker 1 This typically involves prioritizing homemaking, domestic duties, and supporting her husband, who is generally seen as the primary breadwinner.

Speaker 1 Trad wives often actively share their lifestyle and values on social media platforms, and

Speaker 1 they focus on homemaking, embracing traditional general roles, emphasis on submission.

Speaker 1 Sherry, I was going to say, because what you're saying is sounding like, okay, basically, okay, you know, I get a traditional wife. No, these, no, dude.

Speaker 1 So, no, there's the, there's their answers were weird.

Speaker 1 Well, the debate that you were looking at was more like they submit to their husbands, their husbands rule the household, they stay home, take care of the kids, cook, clean.

Speaker 1 It was more than just like doing the house stuff. You could tell in their answers, they were like, no, we believe in like the leader.

Speaker 1 We don't, we ask, we ask, like, they, you know, they ask what all the decisions. Pretty much permission, like, all the stuff you, it was insane.

Speaker 1 I was like, so I was that like permission to like, hey, I want to go get my hair cut. Well, what did how are you going to get it cut?

Speaker 1 I don't know how deep it goes. But all I know is what they were saying was like, dude, I did not think that this was a real.
Like, I thought we, I, I didn't know this was a real house. It's weird.

Speaker 1 Being a perfect wife. Okay, I'm just going to say one thing.
Our household does not run like that. It is very 50-50.
We make decisions together.

Speaker 1 I teach our daughters that they can.

Speaker 1 Be how they want to be as a woman. You can have kids, not have kids.
You can, you know, have 50 lizards if you want to when you're older. Like, I don't even care what you do.

Speaker 1 as long as you're happy and healthy don't give a shit well what happened was they they are pretty much saying that feminism where like root is ruining is the re pretty much the root cause of why everyone's the way that why society is so jacked up they're saying that like the society's always made up like they're saying oh it was you know it's jacked up now everyone's you know uh

Speaker 1 everyone's getting confused and you know the feminism was made to like equality but it's too much equality and now we don't know our place and our role and we're where you have two different brain systems and we should i i swear so we should still know our place in this world is what they think you have to watch the debate but i'm telling you i i kept watching because mike i was so shocked by their answers because what these other feminists were saying about like you know and they're like do you believe in divorce and they were like oh yeah it was a question that says step forward if you believe so and so step forward if you believe so and so and they asked a question and one of them was like do you think uh it is ever okay for the woman to initiate divorce okay and they were like no everyone was like no you're not.

Speaker 1 It was like, so it was like the trad wife said, yeah.

Speaker 1 So then the, yeah, so then the feminists were like, oh, wait a minute, like, so you don't believe it at all, like, that you, the woman, should file for a divorce. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 He could beat you, rape you, whatever the case was. And what'd they say? And they were pretty much like, yeah, that's pretty much how they, how they felt.

Speaker 1 And then eventually the girls, like, you know, they kept talking about it because they're all open-minded. So they kept talking about it.

Speaker 1 And they're like, well, what if he kept cheating and cheating and cheating? And it was like, oh, first offense. And then it's like, oh, maybe the third time I would do something.
The third time?

Speaker 1 I swear, it was weird. They were even fighting that.
And then the girls said, oh, so you would get a divorce for that. And she's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 I said, well, you can thank feminists for being able to get divorced. Right.
And then I was like watching it. And I'm like, I wonder, like, because

Speaker 1 the facts always stuck on me that since, you know, it was, it was, it was legal

Speaker 1 to rape your wife up until like 1993. Was it 93? I swear, look it up to confirm.
I swear.

Speaker 1 Something or not, but like the fact that it was legal that you could rape your wife, marital rape was legal, is insane to me.

Speaker 1 And the fact that, like, that's not talked about enough, like, that was eradicated because of the feminist movement. Like, what, what are we? So, it was listening to this dude.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, this debate was so

Speaker 1 weird. No, yeah, you're right.
Marital rape became illegal nationwide in the U.S. by 1993,

Speaker 1 though the legal landscape surrounding it

Speaker 1 evolved significantly over the preceding decade. Like, certain states obviously did it before.

Speaker 1 Prior to the 1970s, it was legal in all U.S. states, stemming from the historical legal concept of a husband's right to sexual access to his wife.
Look at your face. Did you see?

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. That's gross.
Yeah, like it's...

Speaker 1 The first state, that's why I love my state, to partially outlaw it were Michigan and Delaware in 1974, and South Dakota and Nebraska fully criminalizing it in 1975.

Speaker 1 The first trial for marital rape while living together was in 1978 in Oregon. Isn't that insane, though? That's disgusting.
Like, it was not federally protected. It wasn't.

Speaker 1 So she could say no, and you're just like, Yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 I could tie you up

Speaker 1 and it would be fine. You can call the cop and say, I hate this.
This is horrible. Right.
You know, I'm not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's raping me. And they were like, yeah, well, he's allowed to.
He's your husband.

Speaker 1 I know. Isn't this? I'm telling you.
That's how this is a bait I was listening to. Anyway, the whole point of it was, I never heard of trad wife before

Speaker 1 until the other day. And I'm like, dude.
And so

Speaker 1 part of me is like, I guess, if that's what you want to do and it brings you joy, like true happiness and joy to stay home and listen to a man and do what you're told, then I guess good for you.

Speaker 1 For me. And for my girls, I'm teaching them that they don't ever have to be in a kitchen if they don't want to be and they don't have to be a mom if they don't want to be.

Speaker 1 And you stand up for women's rights and women power and pussy power, you know? Well, I think it's one of those things where it's like, you know, just being normal.

Speaker 1 I think people get it confused where it's like, well, the feminine movement is not like to get rid of masculinity or to,

Speaker 1 you know, it's literally just for just equality. Right.

Speaker 1 No, no, just on the basis of sex, just none. Like, there's no discrimination.
We can't. We can't do it.
It's like, hello, everyone really should be one if you knew what it really was about.

Speaker 1 Well, and it goes back to just things of like, you know, great grandmas and,

Speaker 1 you know, grandmas before them, like what they fought for for women. It wasn't that long ago where women couldn't vote.
We weren't allowed to have bank accounts, driver's license.

Speaker 1 We weren't allowed to buy a house. Yeah, you couldn't have a debit card, none of that.
You could open a business. Right.

Speaker 1 And if you go, and if you think about it, like we've never really fully been equal because we're not right now in a lot of states.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I think people are like, oh, we, it's like, that's an old, old thing. It's like, no, no, no, it'll.
The feminist movement will always be happening because

Speaker 1 until it doesn't need to be happening.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Right. And it's like, we have a lot of work to do.
I mean, we weren't even allowed to, like, voting. Like, vote.
You know what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't even have a card to a bank. Like, my own money.
Think about it. When we were one years old, you could, some states legally allowed women to be raped.

Speaker 1 It wasn't that long ago. You know, we're only 33.
So, I mean, come on, man. But I'm like, okay, yeah.
So, if I mean, those women that like the Trad wife stuff, whatever.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you've ever heard of that before.

Speaker 1 I mean, I have seen like a couple things on TikTok and like I'll watch it and I'll be like, I mean, honestly, the first thought that comes to my mind is you're fucking crazy

Speaker 1 honestly it's

Speaker 1 being real like when I watch it I'm like fuck that

Speaker 1 no thank you well and then I even when like I

Speaker 1 and I guess what one thing in that was is that there were so many comments on certain stuff talking about like yes amen God bless like yes is what we do so is it very religion based very the the debate there was not one trad wife that was not a Christian or really into their faith.

Speaker 1 And they actually rebuttled against these feminists, you you know, what they were saying, using that, you know, the religion, like pretty much, you know, weaponizing it. I mean, not in my opinion.

Speaker 1 They were all very much like, no, this is what it says. And da-da-da.
Well, that's how you interpret it. I know.
I might interpret it differently.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 The Bible and religion is meant to be interpreted.

Speaker 1 Well, it's one of those things where it's like, I think it's like, if you believe that there's a lot of shamanic healers that are rooted in Christ's consciousness, where they literally choose, they believe all the things you believe, but they don't discount certain things that were taken out at certain times and throughout history.

Speaker 1 They know all about Mary Magdalene. You know what I mean? They read the old scrolls that they decide to take out, whatever.
They study stuff. And listen, the only way to know is to study language.

Speaker 1 You have to be a really good expert in different languages to even understand the original.

Speaker 1 translation so it goes back lots of lots of you know whatever but it's like i think people get it all confused where it's like like almost like because they were saying certain stuff about how like well we just don't our belief you know based because they would ask them like okay why do you believe this Like, what is it?

Speaker 1 Well, we believe with my faith, my faith, my faith. And it was like interesting.
I was like, I'm not hearing anything come from your, like, your own. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, and then when they ask them, well, their husband's probably telling them they can't have an opinion.

Speaker 1 I don't know, but it was just, I don't know, it was just very interesting. I never heard that term before.
And I not really sure that I'm like, this is, why is this happening? How do we get so far?

Speaker 1 Why are we having these old archaic things? I guess, listen, cool. Like you said, if if it's up to you, it makes you happy.
It really makes you happy. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean, I can understand certain things.

Speaker 1 And I feel like it's just like mutual respect.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're gone, you know, and you're something's going on, whatever, if you come home, it makes me feel good to like, oh, he's going to come home and I'm going to have the house clean and dinner made, but I don't do it because I feel like I have to.

Speaker 1 Or, and I don't do it all the time either. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, it's just kind of like what there's certain things where it's like, it'll bring me joy, you know, and make the house smell good, but I also do it for myself, not just you either.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly. um

Speaker 1 and vice versa like when i would be going and doing things there's plenty of times where i'd come home and i would have cooked dinner was being cooked and the house was spotless and the kids were clean because i mean as a significant other that that's just things you do when the other person isn't around or they're not right i mean and it doesn't feel one of those things where it's like i will honor thy wife and i you know or like it doesn't It doesn't feel like, like you said, I'm not doing it for the other person.

Speaker 1 I'm doing it because we both live in this house and I like clean dishes like you like clean dishes. I like cooked cooked dinner like you like

Speaker 1 dinner. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't even have to be cooked there.
You could be like, hey, babe, I'm ordering a pizza order. You know, all right, cool, whatever.
There's food there, you know?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Is it when you were watching and stuff, did it kind of come off like, I don't know, like old school, like cultish in a sense? Oh, dude.
Yes. And that's what I was trying to read.

Speaker 1 I was like, I want to see, I want to, and then it got me thinking, I want to hear a debate about is there any trad wives who are not

Speaker 1 religiously like, you know, I would love to talk to one. Yeah, I want one that because the

Speaker 1 debate kept going on.

Speaker 1 I want to talk to him that's not religious.

Speaker 1 All right, like it'd be kind of interesting, but they, what they were, the whole point was they were pretty much saying that, like, the feminist movement was actually hurting women in general.

Speaker 1 I know, I'm well, you listen there as what they're doing.

Speaker 1 When we can do what we want with our body and have tattoos, and I can own a business, and I can have my own bank account, even if I am married. Like, what? How about that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 They're blaming certain.

Speaker 1 How how is it ruining women, baby. You get misogynistic people in the in upper places and people who, you know, like the orange man, and he takes, he's trying to take everything away from women.

Speaker 1 So it's like, make that make sense. Like, I don't understand.
How does that benefit women? I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's got me really, it's like, and then like, I don't know, the, the kind of like the public, like, this is amazing. We need to get back to this old, almost like celebrating the old.

Speaker 1 Do they wish that it was just like, like, yeah, like America was how it used to be or something? That's right. Well, here's, I thought it was funny because then I got me thinking about 1950s.

Speaker 1 Well, 1950s, we were taxing at 94%

Speaker 1 for corporate.

Speaker 1 So we were, okay, I know everyone hates it. Like, that's when you could afford a house, a car, and maybe a little vacation house up north off of one person's salary.

Speaker 1 And then mom could stay home and be that whatever it was. It's because we were taxing the rich at 94%.
So do the math. It's not because of feminism.

Speaker 1 It's because we had a different economic system before Reagan, before all that, you know, trickle-down crap.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, so listen, like, it just, I just thought it was interesting hearing them kind of explain their take. And I'm like, wow, this is, I can't, like, this is a modern thing.

Speaker 1 They were young. They were probably like a couple years younger than us.
And I'm like, whoa, to see these young women like just like

Speaker 1 fighting against it. Other ones who are like, whoa, dude, like, yo, you know, your grandma

Speaker 1 couldn't even get a credit card. Like,

Speaker 1 you're okay with that. I don't know.
It's so weird, man. That would be my thing.
Like, if you're okay with that? Like, you have to ask your husband for $50.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Some of them were, like, kind of, like, more extreme than others, I felt like. And they probably are.
Yeah. So, I mean, if you are a

Speaker 1 trad wife out there and you're listening to this, like...

Speaker 1 It's not because you're like religiously affiliated because that's why you're not. No, wait, like I said, if that brings you joy, great.

Speaker 1 It would not bring me joy, and I'm definitely not going to teach my daughters that way of life. But if more power to you if that's what you like.

Speaker 1 But if you're a trad wife and, like Ty said, not like super, I don't know, I would like to to get a non-biased

Speaker 1 trad wife in my DMs. Like, let's talk.
I think it'd be great to have a conversation and just ask. Yeah, I am curious.
It got me really, I was very curious. I'm like, wow, this is really interesting.

Speaker 1 Like, what,

Speaker 1 where are we at? Like,

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Speaker 1 And I also feel like, you know, marriage rates down. Birth.
Women are not having kids. Like, men are not having kids.
Like, you know, it's a whole different kind of like ballgame out there.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, well, because also people can't afford

Speaker 1 it to have kids. You know, this is one of the first generations where we're actually like, like, we're, our parents were wealthier.
Like, we, we, like, we don't have anywhere close to what they had.

Speaker 1 And it's weird to even think about how

Speaker 1 that's sad because my mom and dad didn't have a lot. I know, dude.
You know, like, that's crazy. That's why I always, I always count our blessings all the time.
Oh, always.

Speaker 1 Every time I put gas in my car, actually, it's really weird. I don't know if it'll ever leave my head.
Yeah, you think of your mom, right? I think of my mom.

Speaker 1 I go and I, and I and I'm able to pump the gas and like just let it fill up.

Speaker 1 Without, I mean, I still consciously watch, but

Speaker 1 like, I just remember all the time my mom just being like $19

Speaker 1 because she let me have a dollar to buy a freaking stupid Coke or something. You know, so I was like, literally $19.
You can go over it. Right.

Speaker 1 Like, and I had to think about it every single time, and I just feel so like,

Speaker 1 I always feel grateful. when I have gas in my car.
Speaking of. Isn't that weird? There's one little thing.
I don't know. I think it's multiple things, but yeah, that's one thing.

Speaker 1 I think it makes you go back. And yeah,

Speaker 1 I think staying humble is the number one thing that people have and should do. Like, you should remind yourself.
Yeah, I was going to say, remind yourself where you came from and what it was like.

Speaker 1 I'll pull in the house still and I'll slowly go down the driveway at certain times. Like, this is it.
This is crazy. Right.
Like, you know? Yeah. Holy shit.
Like, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Every all the time. Like, it's insane.
Yeah. Like, my mom was never able to own a house.
I honestly just be with my kids.

Speaker 1 Like, people think all the time, like, oh, well, you know, it's like, listen, I was able to spend every second and minute with them. Until they had to start school.

Speaker 1 Yeah, up until they had to start school.

Speaker 1 Like, that's crazy. And I'll never get those years back.
And I'm not, I don't regret shit. I don't regret nothing.
Yeah, because you will never get them back. I'll never get it back.

Speaker 1 So, and then we got little Miss Raya going to school this year.

Speaker 1 I'm not okay with it. I know.
It's crazy. But it's like, talking about the trad wife stuff, too.

Speaker 1 I think it ties into this other, into this other topic about, you know, because I'm sure I'm guessing that tread wives have to like asking permission from your spouse about things yes they and that's what they there was kind of like they went back and forth a little bit which got me thinking about asking permission period right i mean i feel like you and i ask per we don't like not i wouldn't say permission it's yeah we talk about things

Speaker 1 i i would never think if someone said hey man this is what we're gonna do whatever and i'll be oh okay let me ask my wife if i can i always go oh well let me talk to my wife real quick and see what our plans are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because we don't know schedule-wise.

Speaker 1 But to even think of the word permission. Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
Even when I was like coming out of my mouth, I'm like, Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 1 You had to pause itself because it's like, no, there's no permissive things going between me. No.

Speaker 1 Permissive is such a,

Speaker 1 it's an inferior position at all times. And we're not, I don't ever want that to be happening.
I want to talk that, yeah, so I talk, we talk. I'm talking about

Speaker 1 ask you if I can or can't. Yeah, we have conversations, but I've never never asked, like, hey, can I? Oh, God, it's like, what is that? Can I? What?

Speaker 1 Right, it's more or less like, hey, are you doing anything this weekend? I want to go here or do this with the kids or I am, you know, going out with my friends or whatever. You pretty much announce.

Speaker 1 True, yeah. I mean, I'm not asking you anything.
You never ask me anything. No, I'm announcing, hey, I mean, that's I want to do this.
Does that mess with anything you got going on? Right.

Speaker 1 And if it does, then I'm moving it and I'm doing it at her time. Exactly.

Speaker 1 We talk about it. You talk.
That's true, because I'm even thinking about the time, too, when I bought my first, the first Maim Coon, and I didn't tell you for like three months.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Right.
I was like, you're going to get a Maine Coon cat. I'm like, all right, whatever, dude.
Going to get a cat. I mean, whatever.
Yeah, now we have two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, by the way. Yeah.
But that's. I started convincing him to.
I was like, come on, let's get a third. Dude, she's crazy.
Everyone tell her that she's nuts.

Speaker 1 But for real, I'm not like, I don't know. I just feel like the whole asking permission thing really bugs me.
Yeah, we don't ask permission to like spend money.

Speaker 1 We don't ask permission to go places, do things.

Speaker 1 I guess what kind of partnership, true partnership is asking permission? The only time you have to ask permission in life at all is when you are in a position that's inferior to whoever you're asking.

Speaker 1 Right, like you would ask your mom or dad. Yeah, we made a pact.

Speaker 1 It's never one of those situations. If any of us feel that way, then we have other problems to deal with.
Yeah, because I'm I'm like racking my brain. I'm like, I don't think there's ever been a time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thinking about it, you know, in our lives where we've asked permission. Yeah, even the word, can I, it's always like, I was thinking of,

Speaker 1 I wanted to,

Speaker 1 you know, say, I bought this

Speaker 1 on this date. Like, I don't want to.
Obviously, if things are like crazy, super expensive, we talk about it and we're like, just, you know, does that make sense? Or should we do this?

Speaker 1 Or, you know what I mean? Which I think that's normal. Yeah, but honestly, everything that's expensive is something to do with us.
A camper, you know, a

Speaker 1 mattress. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, a new mattress. A piece of furniture we're all going to sit on.
So it's like, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, we just talk about it. Yeah, that would be weird.

Speaker 1 Wouldn't it be weird thinking about it for a minute? Like, being like, oh, well, let me.

Speaker 1 Can I?

Speaker 1 Hey, Tyler, can I?

Speaker 1 Sick. Can I go and, you know, pay $400 to get my hair done? No, honey, you can't.

Speaker 1 I'd be like,

Speaker 1 no, I'd be like, let me go make my sourdough now. Right, right.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Shit. I tried hopping on that trend.
I still have a freaking bread maker in the cover that I never even used.

Speaker 1 Kate bought a freaking bread maker machine where

Speaker 1 I bought one for my new stepmommy, too. You did? Yeah, I bought one.
She uses it all the time. Yeah, I bet she loves it.
Listen, you guys, you dump it in there. You hit the button.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I still never used it. Don't touch it.
Until it goes,

Speaker 1 whatever. And then the bread's there.
There's no kneading. There's no rolling.
There's no doughing. There's no.

Speaker 1 shit, dude. I bet you when Christine got that thing and used it for the first time, she was like, What is life? Yeah, a bread.
My stepmom. Make it.
So, what are we doing? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I guess I need to. I need to, my sister needs to teach me how to make a sourdough starter because I guess that's the most important thing.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I mean, that's on, you can do that online. Look it up.
I guess. Hey, Mary, Mary Gilbert.
Ask her for some starter. Oh, true.
Yeah, she's been doing that too. I forgot.
Well, trust me.

Speaker 1 Just go on

Speaker 1 your local Facebook group and be like, type in sourdough. I remember we were in Florida in December because my dad got married.

Speaker 1 And my sister Amber came up to me and she's like, oh, yeah, you know, like, I make sourdough and stuff. And she was like showing pictures to Ty and stuff, I guess, or whatever.

Speaker 1 They put like little hearts. They put like flowers.
Yeah, she like cuts shit into them and stuff. And then all of a sudden she's like, hey, Kaylin, I had to show you pictures of my sourdough.

Speaker 1 And I just looked at her and I go, you would be a fucking sourdough, mom. She's like, you would have pictures of sourdough on your phone.

Speaker 1 Tyler was like, dude, he was like, the way you said that, baby, where you were just like, you would be a fucking sourdough mom. He's like, had me rolling.

Speaker 1 And then my sister's like, well, they're not the prettiest. And she's showing me.
And they have, like, I know

Speaker 1 cut into them and hearts. And she's got, like, chocolate and marshmallows on the top.
And I'm like, bitch, please, you know, like, it's pretty as fuck. Like, calm down.
No,

Speaker 1 I didn't know bread could be not pretty or pretty. I didn't know.
I had no idea. I thought you just dumped crazy things in there and then whatever pops out pops out.

Speaker 1 Some of them look a little better than others, but no, you gotta go. You gotta cut the designs in it before it cooks even.
Yeah, because she had like a little leaf. And I'm like, what the hell?

Speaker 1 Like, you went slash, slash, slash, and it just puffed up like a leaf. Yeah, I mean, I never put no leaf in no bread.

Speaker 1 No, but that I'll tell you what, that chocolate s'mores one that she made looked good as shit, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was like a chocolate s'more sourdough bread. I'm down for that.
And she's like, I know it's not the prettiest. I'm like, shut up.
It's got a flour on it. Right.

Speaker 1 It's got chocolate and toasted marshmallows. Like, come on now.
It is cool. While I have a bread maker sitting in the cupboard and I've never even used it once.
Breadmaker, guys.

Speaker 1 Convince her, send her some recipes. Like, what? Just look.
Recipes are easy. It even comes with a recipe book, and I haven't even used it.
You just dump it. You dump the stuff in there.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 And I haven't. Even, even though...
You want some sourdough, chocolate, s'mores, chocolate, whatever, sourdough.

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah, I think, like, my stepmom and, like, my brother and stuff, they even made, like, a fruity pebble bread. Like, they put fruity pebbles in it.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, you can put all sorts of type of shit in it. No, I want some sourdough bread.

Speaker 1 That's what I mean. Like, my, my dad's new wife, so she's from the Philippines.
So, like, she comes from like a place where they didn't even have like running water and stuff.

Speaker 1 And so she moved to America. And my dad was always posting her making bread videos, you know?

Speaker 1 And my dad's like, yeah, she's got me on a hunt for yeast all the time trying to find yeast, you know? And so I just like randomly, I sent her like a bread machine and stuff. And she was like floored.

Speaker 1 Especially like, you know, it does everything for you. So it's, she ain't used to it.

Speaker 1 That's it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I've always wished I was more like, I want to make stuff.

Speaker 1 Like croissants. Yeah, then I'm going to wake up.
We're going to wake 450 miles.

Speaker 1 Isn't that what we're supposed to do in our mid-30s? I don't know. I would love to eat brownies and cookies and cakes and shit, too.

Speaker 1 I do like to bake, but it's then I want to, and thankfully, I'm not really like a sweets person, but you're not. I would, no, I would want to eat it all.

Speaker 1 I want, you know, I'm more of like a savory person. So, yeah, bread would probably be a problem.
I mean,

Speaker 1 I want chocolate. I know.
I want chocolate swirled ice cream with caramel and chocolate chunks in the chocolate ice cream. Yeah, I can't.
Sweets, no.

Speaker 1 No, but I can always tell when when Mother Nature's coming out because I want donuts and chocolate and cake and cookies. I always know what's happening.
I'm like, oh, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 Because I don't like sweets, really. She's in there.
She's almost there. And man, everyone.
I see donuts and Instacart. I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep.
It's coming. That's coming.
Chocolate ice cream.

Speaker 1 That's not like her. It's usually vanilla.
Yeah, and I swear, each one of our kids, man, they got that sweet tooth gene from you. It was bad as a kid.
You don't understand a bad. No, it was bad.

Speaker 1 They're all actually all bad with sweets. I wanted candy all the time.

Speaker 1 I was ADD. I was just wanting it.
I just wanted everything

Speaker 1 and then I figured out remember when you were kids you'd have like you'd have like Mountain Dew parties yes like you know you can drink alcohol because you're like eight years old slamming two liters of Mountain Dew yeah and acting all fucking crazy yeah it never worked for me I go right to sleep but swear to god yeah you definitely are hyperactive and I used to get kind of annoyed because I'm like dude no dude reminds me irritating you want to be wild and crazy too but it reminds me of the memory like whenever so I always went to my dad's like every other weekend and spent some time like in the summer.

Speaker 1 I know you know this story, but it's just something that lives in my mind. Like when I would go to my dad's house, you know, we weren't allowed to like drink pop or like, you know, nothing like that.

Speaker 1 And then every, yeah, and then every once in a while, my dad would give me and my sister Amber Mountain Dew. Would you think like Mountain Dew? Like that should, oh, it would get you hype as a kid.

Speaker 1 I know. I will.
I never. Well, me.
Yeah, I know. I know.
I watch all the kids. Woo-hoo-hoo-mountain dew party.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I'll never forget my dad used to watch this like

Speaker 1 show.

Speaker 1 It was like about people in Africa or whatever. And it would be like these ladies with no tops on.
So their boobs are just hanging out. And they got their kids on their hips.

Speaker 1 And me and Aaron would just drink Mountain Dew. And we would just laugh our asses off.
Cause it's just like

Speaker 1 hanging around.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? But when you're like eight and you just drink, you know, smashed a whole two-liter of Mountain Dew, you know, we were just laughing and laughing. And I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 My dad used to watch the weirdest shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he still watches like Big Barefoot or

Speaker 1 Finding Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 Oh, my dad is like, he is a Bigfoot believer. Bigfoot exists.
He's out there somewhere. Like,

Speaker 1 it was very like.

Speaker 1 I know. Yeah.
You know. He is definitely that guy.
Yeah. But it's like just the most random shit.
Like,

Speaker 1 what kind of, what channel was that even on? Nat Geo, bro. Okay, but like, hell yeah, the African titties all out.
Yeah, everyone knows Nat Geo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, where was his wife at the time? Because she was like so strict. We, you know, we weren't allowed to drink pop and stuff.

Speaker 1 And like, my dad and her would watch rated R movies sometimes in the weekend and we couldn't even come out of the bedroom or they were watching a rated R movie.

Speaker 1 But then we're allowed to watch like African titties, like, you know, and drink Mountain Dew.

Speaker 1 So where was she? You know, I don't know. Oh my God.
My dad, yeah. It was always like hunting shows and naked African

Speaker 1 ladies in Africa. And uh, my mom would always watch like intense stuff.

Speaker 1 She would, she, no, it's cringy.

Speaker 1 She's still like, I gotta watch Days of Our Lives. I'm like, ew, it's so boring.
I can't. No, I do got, I sat down there.
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Speaker 1 God fear and Christian woman I was like you need to watch that and she is she's in it she texts me randomly she's like well I can't I guess I shouldn't spoil it for anyone no you can't spoil it we haven't even watched the last season she was like this happened oh my god I'm like oh, you're in it now.

Speaker 1 But you remember the first couple of seasons, she's like, this is too weird. I don't really like it.
Right. And then I would mess with her because, you know,

Speaker 1 she, what, the political party? Different beliefs, political climate stuff. Yeah.
And I would mess with her and I would be like, I said, it's not hard to fetch, mom.

Speaker 1 It can happen. You know, she'd be like, oh, whatever.
I'd be like, under his eye, you know, she's like, shut up.

Speaker 1 I would just rain and say, Raino shit, she's really, oh, praise be, you know, pleasant with the fruit. Yeah.
And she was just like, oh, my God, knock it off.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, just saying, it's happening, coming. Well, hey, when that, when that, all that stuff happened, I did, I did tell her about it.

Speaker 1 I said, you know, this woman is being held in for this baby. And she's like, that's so fucked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it literally, it was like a scene out of the hand.

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 1 oh, man, dude, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 It's scary. It's disgusting.
And then you have people that are like, fuck feminists. Like, what? I'm not.

Speaker 1 I know. That's kind of where I'm like.
Make it make sense. No, I know.

Speaker 1 And I sense this weird division shift thing going on where I thought for a while I thought everyone was going to the same, you know, progressively getting to the same thing.

Speaker 1 We're all kind of generally

Speaker 1 moving this way. Yeah.
And I just feel the locomotives stop and just reverse and start

Speaker 1 going back. Like, it's weird.

Speaker 1 And then there's this huge divide of like,

Speaker 1 what was so great back then?

Speaker 1 I don't know. And I think people need to not be so divided about like political views and everything.

Speaker 1 I think it should simply come down to like humans and human rights and what is fair and not fair and what is equal and not equal.

Speaker 1 Not about anybody having more power than anybody else. Not even about political party.
No, not at all. It's just about like I, because I'm not biased or,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm not like

Speaker 1 sold on one or the other. It's just what they speak about, what they stand for, what I'm listening to, what I see, what they're voting on.
I mean, that's just, that's it.

Speaker 1 Well, like you and I said, like, we don't vote for

Speaker 1 a certain side every time. It's based off of

Speaker 1 which person fits my morals and values more. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 And then doing research, like, I feel like people like that, you know, they speak one thing. A lot of people don't know.
And then no one watches the, it's a public TV.

Speaker 1 It'll show you yay or nay, how many people voted on this bill. That bills online record.
Yeah. Read that.
I know it's, it's annoying. A lot of skimming.
A lot of Googling.

Speaker 1 What the hell does that word mean? And then it may take you back to other things. Yeah, it's a little bit worse.

Speaker 1 But I do feel like you should be educated about and true education on what you're, you know, leaning towards. Because people can say and talk certain things.

Speaker 1 I'm, I'm really believing what's on the piece of paper and what you're checking yes or no on. Yeah.
You know, I mean, that's it. I mean, I don't, that's it.

Speaker 1 That's all I, I don't know what else to yeah, because actions speak a lot on the words. Yeah.
You could lie until you're fucking blue in the face and then not do anything.

Speaker 1 And then even bills, though, bill names sound good, and then you read the details and then a little different than what you thought.

Speaker 1 So it's like, you just gotta just, I mean, it's, it takes time and it's a little bit of work, but just don't be lazy about it. You know, I guess that's what I like.
Don't be lazy about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and don't take like what they're take what they're saying with a grain of salt. And like you said, then you do the investigation to see if it's true or not true.

Speaker 1 You know, what are they voting on? Yeah, or what have they have done during their whole careers? I think whatever, and it's all on record, what they said yay or nay to on all the bills.

Speaker 1 Read the bills. What stands do you like, you know what I mean? Right, agree with.
You can see. you can see, they don't even have to speak, they don't even have to campaign.

Speaker 1 Be silent, yeah, and I'll know who you are by what you're voting on certain bills for. Well, that's because you put the effort into getting the knowledge, you know, to get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'm not, I'm not sitting there reading the whole thing. I'm, I'm, but there's a lot of skimming, it's a pain in the ass.

Speaker 1 Anyone who does, who does it and goes on the website and reads the bill, it's, it's a, it's, not, not all of it's horrible.

Speaker 1 Some, some bills are actually really simple, but some of them are just, oh, God.

Speaker 1 It's work. But I feel like, you know, you have to do that.
Yeah, don't you wish you it's like, oh, gosh, the days when you didn't have to worry about that. You're kidding, you know, whatever.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Ugh.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 adulting sucks. It does, bro.
I think it's so cool, and it's not. It sucks.
And we had adults our whole lives telling us. I know.
Don't you know what?

Speaker 1 No, you don't. Isn't that so funny? So stupid.
And then you get to like their age when they were telling us those things. And now here I tell it to your niece and our kids all the time, too.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, they ain't fucking listening. No, they ain't listening.
No, they're like, you're, you're done. I think because

Speaker 1 you're just so set on freedom. And you believe that freedom is going to, that's the end all, be all.
That is the ticket to happiness, is freedom.

Speaker 1 But freedom, it just comes with so much responsibility that it's almost like, oh, this freedom is annoying.

Speaker 1 You know, because like, like one of my pet peeves is, I'm fucking sick of thinking about what I have to cook for dinner for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 When you were were a kid, it was just mom's like, this is what we're having,

Speaker 1 you know?

Speaker 1 And sometimes I always hated it. Sometimes I cried.
I'm like, not again. Here we're a helper.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 oh, that's one thing. I'm just like, bro, for the rest of my life, I have to worry about what I'm going to eat for dinner.
Yeah, but imagine if you were like a planet.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Like those iron chef people were just like, you know what I mean? Sure.

Speaker 1 No, I know, but like, oh, max the brandy with the French wine and la la la la, the acid and the not salt and the acid and the sugar.

Speaker 1 You know, like, no other combination. It's really chemistry.
Well, then it sucks because when you have children too, like we're in the, you know, the depths of it right now.

Speaker 1 And you try to make something new and like tasty and the kids look like, ew, I don't like it. Or they try and they don't like it.
I'm like, dude, this is so good. What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You know, I can tell you now, the rage you feel when you spend an hour cooking this new meal that you don't even know if you're going to like or not sounds kind of good.

Speaker 1 You take a risk, you roll the dice, and it just

Speaker 1 you're eating it by yourself while you're still, still making the kids something else because they don't do anything. It's so annoying.

Speaker 1 Well, when it gets to that point, it's like, fine, then I'm frying up a couple of hot dogs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, here's our

Speaker 1 macaroni and cheese. Because

Speaker 1 this shit's good. I'll eat it.
Hot dog Mac. There you go.
Right? I've never done that.

Speaker 1 I used to when I was a kid. You never did that? Hot dogs in your macaroni and cheese.

Speaker 1 Come on. No.
Are you kidding? Maybe like once or twice. Come on.
That just sounds really gross right now. I know other kids did this.
You combined

Speaker 1 a little bit of meat with the carbs. You know what I mean? That's when you're a kid.
Never cared about meat and carbs. I'm just saying, dude.
It's a full-on meal when you're poor.

Speaker 1 You chop the hot dogs. You know, you got some extras in the fridge somewhere.
Throw them in the Mac. I actually,

Speaker 1 do you remember that meal that your mom used to make because you were poor? The sausage, potato, green bean. Yeah, sausage, potatoes, and green beans.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, well, besides sausage. True.
But I saw, there was actually a recipe that I saw today on TikTok, but she used like all fresh ingredients for that and like did added like some like beef,

Speaker 1 my God, what is it called? Like beef stock in it and like put it in this crock pot. And dude, that shit actually looked so good.
Yeah, it's good. I was like, damn, that sounds yummy.

Speaker 1 I know, I haven't had that in a while. I might have to make a poor man's dinner.
Yep. Yeah.
Sounds about good. It does.

Speaker 1 I so do.

Speaker 1 I'm bad. I'll eat ramen noodles though.
Yeah, I know. Well, the one time I had a craving for it a few weeks ago, remember because you were like, why'd you order ramen?

Speaker 1 I was like, I don't, I had a craving for it. I ate it and it was gross.
It was? Yeah, I did not like it. What happened to you?

Speaker 1 You've officially moved out. You were a grown-up.
I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 When are you going to grow up?

Speaker 1 Help me. Help me.
I don't know what's wrong with me.

Speaker 1 I can't. What am I supposed to do? Tell her she's like, yeah, cereal? Yeah.
Craving noodles? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cheese dip that I just make and throw things in a pot and concoction and dip chips in? Yeah. That's what I do.
Yeah. I'm a concoctor.
Your dad's the same way.

Speaker 1 We'll just go on the leftovers or whatever's in there. You know, we'll just, okay, cool.
You got some extra meat, some spaghetti. We'll just chop up and make some sausage spaghetti.
Right. Whatever.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Whatever it is.
That is so funny, especially because, like, you were never raised with your dad. And he does the same shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because, I mean, I probably lived with him longer than you really have.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 That is diabolical.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. I've never thought.
You have. Yeah.
You have lived with my dad.

Speaker 1 That fucked up. More than I ever have.
Under the same roof. Yeah.
Eating meals together. Yeah.
That's insane. Right?

Speaker 1 You did. And he would concoct some shit.
And I'd be like, that's definitely. He made some good ass Spanish rice.
He does. But some of the shit I'm like, that's definitely a prison meal, bro.

Speaker 1 You're not behind the cells anymore. We don't need to crush up Doritos to make a crutch.
No, I'm just kidding. He never did that.
But yeah, just the whole, like, throwing random shit in it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but isn't that weird? Yeah, I lived with your dad. Yeah, you did.
Probably longer than you ever have in your whole life.

Speaker 1 Living in life. Yeah, but I was constantly running from there, too.

Speaker 1 Like, get me the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 That time of life, I was like, get me the fuck out of here. Somewhere driving that stupid van around.
Dude, the hooped. Getting dropped off to school was the most embarrassing thing ever.

Speaker 1 And going to the OBGYN and that fucking thing. And then also think about having the whole television crew following you too, on top of that.
Oh, yeah, that's right. Embarrassing as fuck.

Speaker 1 Especially when you're like a teenager. And you would like start it with a fucking screwdriver.
Yep, screwdriver.

Speaker 1 One time, me and my friend, my friend came from Florida to visit me, and we drove the hoop to. And it was stalled out.
Yeah, be careful. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Fucking stop, and the fucking hoopty van stalled out.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you didn't keep that thought out,

Speaker 1 like it would, yeah. And I remember he would just like throw shit in the back, like

Speaker 1 and it would break. Yeah.
He'd throw bottles. Yeah.
Because he was drinking and driving.

Speaker 1 Fucked up, bro.

Speaker 1 Just when you think about that time, and it's like everybody's like, sure, just go with butch. It's like, all right,

Speaker 1 sure, yeah, we're in a bunch of people. Tossing glass bottles in the back seat.
You can hear it crash in the back behind you. Like, that's real fucking safe.

Speaker 1 Off the metal of the van. And that was just our normal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Never in a million years would I be like, sure, honey, go in Tim's car. Yeah, he's chucking power back.
Like, what the fuck? Starting it with a fucking screwdriver, which is also illegal.

Speaker 1 I didn't even know that. Yeah.
I only know that because of cops. I never knew that.
And also, he never had a license. No, of course.

Speaker 1 Driving was, of course, he didn't care. He's like, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Drinking to driving. No, screwdriver.

Speaker 1 Like, screwdriver's illegal. Drinking and driving's illegal.
And guess what? Even just driving's illegal for you because you got that license. That's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 He eventually got his license when he was 55. No, just kidding.
I don't know how old he was, but that shit was crazy. It was.
Fucking nuts. Good old, was.
No, never mind. Not good.

Speaker 1 Crazy, chaotic days of times. Of times.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 1 There's some parts where I'm like, I would love to go back to, and then other parts I'm like, fuck no. I think I'd like to go back to just like, like you said, just like not having any adult worries.

Speaker 1 There was no worrying about what I needed to make for dinner. There was no, none of that.
There was nothing. Yeah.
But yeah, just the periods of like chaos. I'm like, no, thank you.
It was stressful.

Speaker 1 I've had to do a lot of fucking mental health healing from a lot of that shit. I'm like, I don't want to go back to some of that shit.

Speaker 1 Never again. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I never want to go to that ever again. That's a topic for a whole nother fucking episode.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 1 But no, okay, but I'm serious. Like, anybody that's listening, you know, if you are a trad wife that's not biased, please reach out to the Kate.

Speaker 1 I just don't want, like, I don't want any.

Speaker 1 I'm looking for a trad wife that's not religiously motivated.

Speaker 1 That's what I guess I would say. Just

Speaker 1 because you're doing it because. And also, like, how do you compare the trad wife to a feminist movement? And why do you think the feminist movement is so bad?

Speaker 1 If there's any trad wife listening, I feel like that would be a really good conversation to have on a podcast.

Speaker 1 Just to, you know, I don't know, just pick your brain. I want to know why you live the way you live.
What, you know,

Speaker 1 what brings you joy out of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all of it so um you can definitely dm the kate and tie break it down pages so it's kate and tie break it down on instagram and uh tick tock send a dm there because i would really that would be interesting yeah um especially if you don't mind like sharing your story and you know it being recorded and all of those fun things

Speaker 1 other than that i mean

Speaker 1 got anything else to say I'm just kind of wanting to know what's going on with the whole society movement here going on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's definitely intriguing. I'm that like this whole week at all.
I've been thinking about it. I'm like, what is going on? All I know is it's a no, it's a no for me.
I was concerned.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 And plus, I, yeah, right. I raised my daughters totally different.
The answers they were saying would just, I thought about like even just reading that, I was like,

Speaker 1 but, anyways, please reach out. And

Speaker 1 we will be talking to you guys next week. Bye-bye.

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