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Yes.

Actually, well, this weekend, Tyler and I actually got to get away out of the blue for the weekend.

So we got to go camping, just me and him, for the first time this summer.

Which was so nice.

It was nice.

We haven't done that in, I think, years.

A couple, yeah, two years.

Yeah.

Because we didn't last summer, but the summer before we did.

Like, what, once?

One time, yeah.

We went to sleepers.

But yeah, I mean, Ty's niece has been over here for a few days, and she was like, hey, if you guys want to go away this weekend, I could use the extra money and I'm sure you guys could use the break.

And I looked at Ty and he's like, I mean, we should take the opportunity when we get it.

Yeah.

You were like, well, I don't know if we should or not.

I'm like, dude, what?

You don't know.

Well, because me and you are going camping this weekend.

Oh, I know.

We camp, girl.

We camp.

I know, you know what's funny, too, is when we were camping this weekend, some like older lady came up to us and she was like, oh, you guys rent a cabin?

And I was like, no, we have a camper.

She's like, oh, you guys have a camper?

I'm like, yeah, bro, just because we're on TV doesn't mean that we're not like.

Oh, she recognizes.

Oh, okay, okay.

But for a minute, I was like, do you think that, like, I don't know, people that are on TV, like, don't camp?

They just rent cabins?

I mean, the cabins are nice, though.

We did it before.

They are super nice.

But I don't know.

We've always camped.

I've camped my whole life.

That's literally the only thing my mom could afford.

Right.

That was your guys' vacations.

That was it?

Yeah, we never camped.

Which is so weird.

Your dad is so outdoorsy.

I don't know why you guys never camped.

We would do like little backyard things like sleeping in the backyard.

Backyard or

backyard,

swimming in ponds and streams and, you know, stuff like outdoorsy stuff.

But yeah, not really like camping.

I was shocked when I heard that.

So the first time like really ever getting into camping and like the camping world

is definitely when I met you and like your mom and stuff is what got me into it.

But we did.

I love it.

It's one of my favorite things to do.

It's not expensive.

It's like you don't have to.

It's the expensive day.

I mean, all right, all right, all right.

But still, like, you know, when it compared to the normal vacation, right, right.

Oh, yeah.

Come on.

Way cheaper.

It's nice.

And we've, you know, we've raised all of our kids now to be campers.

They love it.

And they, yeah, they love camping.

And so hopefully that's something that they'll continue to pass on.

No, going back to the whole like sprung on us, you guys want to leave,

you know, and Tyga was like, just take the opportunity.

We need to take the opportunities when you get them.

And I'm like, I know.

But then I felt guilty, like the mom guilt sets in because I'm like, all right, well, we're going this weekend too.

But then I kind of like justified the mom guilt because I was like, well, if we're going camping by ourselves two weekends in a row, we come back from camping this next weekend.

And then like three days later, we're taking all the kids camping anyways.

Exactly.

They're all going.

We're going to be spending money.

Ice cream, water park, splash pad.

Here we go.

I mean, come on.

I know, but you know, that mom guilt.

It's like, oh, no, now I'm away.

And I'm like, well, Kate, you haven't really been away from them all summer.

Besides,

like, what is mom guilt?

Really?

What is that?

You don't ever have like dad guilt?

I guess not.

I mean,

I get what you mean.

I understand what you're saying.

But at the same time, it's like our kids have so many

days that they're going to be here with us.

Like, it's okay.

We can take two days.

No, I get that.

Yeah, but I feel, I don't know.

You ever go to like a place, okay?

So you go, and I know this is relatable because I've seen people talk about it.

And I, I, it, obviously, it related to me because I'm talking about it.

But, um, there's these videos of like parents saying you go on vacation without the kids, and then you catch yourself looking at everything that your kids would enjoy, and you're like, It's so annoying.

What was I doing this weekend?

Oh, yeah, we were like, Oh, look at that little baby.

Oh, look at him.

Oh, man, look at that.

Oh, look at that little girl.

Look at that little boy.

He's so cute.

Our neighbors, when we were camping, even was like, oh, I'm so you got, you know, you got to get away from your three kids.

And now, you know, you're next door to somebody who has all three kids.

And me and Ty were like, oh my God, they're fine.

And they were really good kids.

And he's like, ah, yeah, okay.

And I'm like, no, they have been.

Like, we were talking about how they are such a bad thing.

They were in the camper.

They ride their bikes around, put their helmets on.

I'm like, damn, look at them listening.

Didn't ask, Mom.

Can you come sit inside while I ride my bike?

Why is our kid like that?

I don't know if any of the other kids are like that, but like our kid won't go outside.

But they, she wants someone outside.

Yeah.

it's like dude I have big windows all around the house.

I see everything that's going on just for people that don't know like we live in the country too like off of like a weird back street back road roads.

Yeah, two dirt roads like nobody, you know, and we live on six acres.

So it's not like so like our kids could freely play around outside if they want to by themselves without me being out there.

And she's like, I don't want to be alone.

I'm like, Veda, you're not alone.

But if you know, she's always had this fear of being lost.

You know how she always talks about that?

Like, what happens if I get lost?

Can I get lost if I'm here?

And I'm like, Well, you're not gonna get lost in the damn yard, dude.

Just go ride your bike.

That one time, Nola got lost with her friend, and they we end up down the remember, yes, and that was that, okay.

Listen, that panic, though, is

like something I thank God her friend was smart.

Yeah, that was crazy,

so you have to give the backstory because okay, so one time our

oldest was with her friend, and they were probably like eight, yeah, they're probably i don't know seven or eight and they walk down we have like a little easement they walk down like no it's no one comes down that road because it only leads to our other roads right so they're walk up and down at this fine and then all of a sudden they made like a left turn right i don't know what they did they walked to the dirt road the main the main main one there's two dirt roads you gotta get to get whatever and they went to that one and just kept walking and

and then they got turned around and i don't know how they got i really don't know how they got lost i said if you guys would have kept walking straight you would have ended up seeing where where we are, where we were.

Yeah, and then all of a sudden,

Noah's friend's mom is here because we're good friends with her too.

She gets a phone call and she's like, Yeah, you know, your daughter Ari is at my house.

And we're all like, What?

We thought the kids were just playing outside.

We didn't even know they were walking down the other road.

I'm like, what is going on?

And so, Alexis is like, okay, well, you know, our friend Alexa was like, well, this is the address we're at.

And I'm like, well, I'm getting in my van.

Like, I was already outside, like, getting in my van.

What's going on?

Go down the easement, go to the main road, and I look both ways and to the left, which is like away from our house, far away from our house.

I see the two girls walking with an adult female and an adult male.

And so I drive up there, and I about put the fear into God into these little kids.

Yeah, you do.

Because you're eight years old.

You didn't even tell me, like, you didn't ask if you could leave the yard.

And I said, you're, and I said it right in front of these two adults.

I said, you should be thankful that these two adults that you even went up to are good humans because you can't just go up to anybody and go knock on somebody's door.

Like, there's weird people in the world.

Like, that's what freaked me out, too.

Like, I mean, her friend, Noah's friend was smart for, first of all, you know, knowing her mom's full number and saying, hey, call my mom.

And I told him that afterwards, I said, but you know, you just can't like just go up to random people.

No, and that actually made a lot of sense because then after that, we instilled like, this is our phone number.

This is our phone number.

This is our phone.

Like, it was.

Right.

This is our address.

Yeah.

Like, we had to do that whole, like, all right, we need to, like,

that was scary, though.

Yeah, terrifying.

That, that panic was like,

yeah, unexplainable.

That's not the first time Nova's done that to me either.

Yeah, but that, but she was really little at that time.

Yeah, when she was super little, like, Caesar was still alive.

We had our Doberman.

Yeah, we just moved into the Octagon house, and she was probably, she was like four because Veda was just like a newborn baby.

And our next door neighbor had two little girls, or, you know, a little bit older than Nova when she was four or whatever, but Nova was like, I want to go play with these kids.

And I'm like, well, we can probably do it tomorrow we met the neighbors and everything and I'm like maybe tomorrow you can go play with them I don't even know where you were but you weren't even home no I wasn't you called me I was on my way on my way back yeah I don't even know where you were I don't know what I was yeah like I don't know if you had something obviously you had something I don't know what was going on um but I remember I woke up in the morning to you know Veda because she's a newborn and Nova would always usually like come in my room if she wakes up in the morning and wake me up that you know that's what they that's what Veda does now even today and she didn't so I thought she was still sleeping sleeping I go downstairs with Veda and we had like this tall coat hanger thing in our mud room in the octagon house and that thing was on the floor in the mud room and I was like what the fuck I go upstairs Nova's not in her room nowhere to be found I run outside

Well, I put Vada in her swing actually because thank God she's a newborn.

She can't move or nothing.

I know she'll be safe there.

Put her in the swing.

I run outside and I'm like screaming her name.

And our dog was not even in the house.

So I'm screaming both of their names.

I run to our chicken coop.

Some thinking four years old, she's obsessed with her chickens.

Maybe she'll be out there.

No, she's not in the chicken coop.

Run to the horse barn.

She's not in the horse barn.

I'm screaming and screaming and screaming her name.

And then all of a sudden, Caesar runs from the neighbor's house around the corner of the fence.

And I'm like, what the fuck?

I go over there and there's Nova just standing in their driveway staring at their house, our neighbor's house.

I go up to her and I just start.

So once you know, you get rid of that panic.

I just start sobbing.

And I i just looked at her i said you cannot do that like that scared mom i thought somebody came in and like stole you you were nowhere to be found and then she fell because the coat wrecks knocked over it just looks that's what i mean it looked like there was literally a ruckus in the house oh my god oh and ever since that day like I now that when the kids get a certain age, like I have weird little locks on my doors.

Weird little beepers.

Yeah.

And just like the childproof ones that are high up where you fold over the door, they can't open the door.

Because look at Raya.

She's at the age right now.

She tries to open that back door all the time, so it's just like, so maybe this is why we need vacations everyone.

So you take people up on the house,

yeah, you know, it's where I get all my damn gray hair from.

But no, so that was nice, though.

We got to get away this weekend and just spend some time with one another.

And I know we stayed up late laughing.

I know, yeah, the first night we were up till like two in the morning.

Mom had a couple high noons.

I don't ever get to drink some high noons.

And, um, you know, we just got to chill.

We're just doing that.

What?

Every time we go out by ourselves, we end up just staying up late, laughing, talking.

Yeah, well, but there's nobody saying, hey, wow, hey, dad, hey, hey, can you wipe my butt?

You know what I mean?

Like, there's just no distractions.

Yeah.

And it's rare for us now.

Like, you know, you have one kid, you have Nova, and it's like grandparents wanted to shake her all the time, and aunts and uncles, and all that.

And then you have two kids, and you know, one might go to one grandma's, one might go to the other.

And then, you know, or and sometimes one's gone and you have one.

You have three or four or more.

There, you always always got one of them at least.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

It's like you don't, you always at least have one.

So it's rare to get all of them somewhere doing something.

Right.

And when you're, and to like not work, too.

Like just go and not have, I mean, literally, me and Ty like laid out by the pond and the pool and just didn't do anything.

Yeah, we just laid out.

I drank a blue slushie to myself.

Oh, blue slushy.

No asking for drinks.

No, you know,

it was good.

And I'm excited that we get to go next weekend.

And then the kids can call, you know, and we're taking all the the kids and our friends coming with their kids too.

So that'll be fun.

Last one who ride before school.

Yeah.

And then the kids don't even know what's coming in.

I know.

We just did that whole thing.

I did order one.

Yep.

There's like this whole, like, I don't know if people know out there, but like, there's this whole like, you can like order like an announcement.

Look it up on TikTok.

Type in like Disney reveal travel or something.

Yeah, or announcement video.

Yeah, announcement videos in Disney.

You can like customize it so it tells the kids they just think they're watching some movie.

And it wasn't badly priced on on etsy it was like 20 bucks and you get dope access like automatic access and then i paid 20 bucks more to do the voiceover so like mickey will say their names they're gonna freak out

hopefully

i know so you know our kids are having a good year this year we've camped a lot this summer which that's kind of what we do I know, right?

I mean, we go on vacation with the kids, what, once every other year, pretty much.

So we at least go to like Florida or go to California.

True, we did.

Yeah, we went to Florida in December.

Yeah.

And

when they were on Christmas break so that worked Easter in Florida before yeah we did that too yeah what two years ago or so yeah not that yeah whatever it was we try to do we try to do vacations but so that's just a little snapshot of what we've been up to this weekend and this past week all I know too is like Michigan it was hot as shit so hot unbearable and then it was like we had all these heat advisories and stuff and I'm like wow I didn't even know that was going on yeah remember when you woke up this morning and we're packing up the the camper and everything?

Ty's just sweating.

Dude, it was immediate.

I was getting irritated with how fast it was dripping in front of my face.

I'm like, all right, dude, I'm done being out here.

Well, no, and you said you're like, I swear today's hotter than it was yesterday.

And it was.

It was so hot.

So hot.

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One of the things I wanted to talk about, because

I noticed that you were listening to it and watching it or whatever, and you put it in our notes about a trad wife.

Trad wife, everyone out there, trad wife, trad wives, whatever the hell it is.

I watched a debate.

It was trad wife.

I watched the video because I always like to watch these little debates about like opposing people, whatever.

Anyway, so it's trad wives versus feminism or feminists or whatever.

Okay.

And I'm like, I just, it piqued my interest.

I'm like, what the heck is a trad wife?

At first, I thought they misspelled and said trade wife.

You know, I don't even know.

So it's short for traditional wife.

Oh, oh, okay, got it.

I'm thinking trade wife.

Like, I don't know.

As a married,

so.

Yeah, what's the official definition?

as a married woman who embraces traditional gender roles often associated with the lifestyle idolizing the 1950s housewife this typically involves prioritizing homemaking domestic duties and supporting her husband who is general generally seen as the primary breadwinner Trad wives often actively share their lifestyle and values on social media platforms and

they focus on homemaking, embracing traditional general roles, emphasis on submission.

Sharing I was going to to say, because what you're saying is sounding like, okay, basically, okay, you're, you know, I get a traditional wife.

No, these, no, dude.

So, no, there's a, there's their answers were weird.

Well, the debate that you were looking at was more like they submit to their husbands, their husbands rule the household, they stay home, take care of the kids, cook, clean.

It was more than just like doing the house stuff.

You could tell in their answers, they were like, no, we believe in like the leader.

We don't, we ask, we ask, like, they, you know, they ask all the decisions.

Pretty much permission, like all the stuff.

It was insane.

I was like, so I got like permission to like, hey, I want to go get my hair cut.

Well, what is, how are you going to get it cut?

I don't know.

I don't know how deep it goes, but all I know is what they were saying was like, dude, I did not think that this was a real, like, I thought we, I, I didn't know this was a real thing.

It's weird.

Being a perfect wife.

Okay, I'm just going to say one thing.

Our household does not run like that.

It is very 50-50.

We make decisions together.

I teach our daughters that they can be how they want to be as a woman.

You can have kids, not have kids.

You can, you know, have 50 lizards if you want to when you're older.

Like, I don't even care what you do.

As long as you're happy and healthy, don't give a shit.

Well, what happened was they are pretty much saying that feminism where like root is ruining is the re pretty much the root cause of why everyone's the way that why society is so jacked up.

They're saying that like society is always jacked up.

No, no, like they're saying, oh, it was, you know, it's jacked up.

Now everyone's, you know,

everyone's getting confused.

And, you know, the feminism was made to like equality, but it's too much equality, and now we don't know our place and our role.

And we have two different brain systems, and we should, I swear, so we should still know our place

in this world is what they think.

You have to watch the debate, but I'm telling you, I kept watching this mic.

I was so shocked by their answers because what these other feminists were saying about, like, you know, and they're like, do you believe in divorce?

And they were like, oh, yeah, it was a question.

They say, step forward if you believe so-and-so.

Step forward if you believe so-and-so.

And they asked a question, and one of them was like, Do you think

it is ever okay for the woman to initiate divorce?

Okay.

And they were like, No.

Everyone was like, No, we do not.

It was like, so it was like the trad wife said, Yeah.

So then the, yeah.

So then the feminists were like, oh, wait a minute.

Like, so you don't believe it at all, like, that you, the woman, should file for a divorce.

You know what I mean?

He could beat you, rape you, whatever the case was.

And what'd they say?

And they were pretty much like, yeah, that's pretty much how they, how they felt.

And then eventually the girl was like, you know, they kept talking about it because they're all open-minded.

So they kept talking about it.

And they're like, well, what if he kept cheating and cheating and cheating?

And it was like, oh, first offense.

offense, and then it's like, Oh, maybe the third time I would do something.

I swear, it was weird.

They were even fighting that, and then the girl said, Oh, so you would get a divorce for that.

And she's like, Yeah, she's like, Well, you can thank feminists for being able to get divorced, right?

And then I was like watching it, and I'm like, I wonder, like, because I, the, the facts always stuck with me that since you know, it was it was it was legal

to rape your wife up until like 1993.

Was it 93?

I swear, look it up to just confirm, I swear, something around, but like the fact that it was legal that you could rape your wife, marital rape was legal is insane to me.

And the fact that, like, that's not talked about enough, like, that, that was eradicated because of the feminist movement.

Like, what, what are we...

So it was listening to this dude.

I'm telling you, this debate was so

weird.

No, yeah, you're right.

Marital rape became illegal nationwide in the U.S.

by 1993.

Though the legal landscape surrounding it

evolved significantly over the preceding decade.

Like certain states obviously did it before.

Prior to the 1970s, it was legal in all U.S.

states, stemming from the historical legal concept of a husband's right to sexual access to his wife.

Look at your face.

Did you see?

That's what I'm saying.

That's gross.

Yeah, like

the first states, that's why I love my state, to partially outlaw it were Michigan and Delaware in 1974 and South Dakota and Nebraska fully criminalizing it in 1975.

The first trial for marital rape while living together was in 1978 in Oregon.

Isn't that insane, though?

That's disgusting.

It was not federally protected.

It wasn't.

So she could say no, and you're just like, Yeah, yeah, whatever.

I could tie you up

and it would be fine.

You can call the cop and say, I hate this.

This is horrible.

Right.

You know, I hate you.

Yeah, he's raping me.

And they'd be like, yeah, well, he's allowed to.

He's your husband.

I know.

Isn't it?

I'm telling you.

That's why this is a bait I was listening to.

Anyway, the whole point of it was, I never heard of trad wife before

until the other day.

And I'm like, dude.

And so

part of me is like, I guess, if that's what you want to do and it brings you joy, like true happiness and joy to stay home and listen to a man and do what you're told, then I guess good for you.

For me, and for my girls, I'm teaching them that they don't ever have to be in a kitchen if they don't want to be.

And they don't have to be a mom if they don't want to be.

And you stand up for women's rights and women power and pussy power you know well I think it's one of those things where it's like you know just just being normal I think people get it confused where it's like well the feminine movement is not like to get rid of masculinity or to no to you know it's it's literally just for just equality right

no no just on the basis of sex just none like there's no discrimination we can't we just

say hello everyone really should be one if if you knew what it really was about

well and it goes back to just things of of like you know great grandmas and

you know grandmas before them like what they fought for for women it wasn't that long ago where women couldn't vote we weren't allowed to have bank accounts driver's license we weren't allowed to buy a house yeah you couldn't have a debit card none of that and could open a business right and if you go and if you think about it like we've never really fully been equal because we're not right now in a lot of states and it's like i think people are like oh we it's like they they that's an old old thing it's like no no, no, it'll, the feminist movement will always be happening because until it, until it doesn't need to be happening.

Does that mean?

Right.

And it's like, we have a lot of work to do.

We weren't even allowed to, like, voting.

Like, vote.

You know what I mean?

Let alone even have a car to a bank.

Like, my own money.

Think about it.

When we were one years old, you could, some states legally allowed women to be raped.

Yeah.

Like, so, it wasn't that long ago.

You know, we're only 33.

So, I mean, come on, man.

But I'm like, okay, yeah.

So if I mean, those women that like the drad wife stuff, whatever.

I didn't even know if you've ever heard of that that before.

I mean, I have seen like a couple things on TikTok and like I'll watch it and I'll be like, I mean, honestly, the first thought that comes to my mind is you're fucking crazy.

Honestly, it doesn't just being real.

Like when I watch it, I'm like, fuck that.

No, thank you.

Well, and then I even went like I.

And I guess one thing in that was that there were so many comments on certain stuff talking about like, yes, amen, God bless.

Like, yes, this is what we do.

So is it very religion-based?

Very.

The debate, there was not one trad wife that was not a Christian or really into their faith.

And they actually

rebuttled against these feminists, you know, what they were saying, using that, you know, the religion, like pretty much, you know, weaponizing it.

I mean, in my opinion, they were all very much like, no, this is what it says.

And da da da.

Well, if that's how you interpret it, I know.

I might interpret it differently.

You know what I mean?

The Bible and religion is meant to be interpreted.

Well, it's one of those things where it's like, I think it's like, if you believe that there's a lot of shamanic healers that are rooted rooted in Christ consciousness where they literally choose they they believe all the things you believe but they don't discount certain things that were taken out at certain times and throughout history they know all about Mary Magdalene they they you know what I mean they they read the old scrolls that they decide to take out whatever they they study stuff and listen the only way to to know is to study language you have to be a really good expert in different languages to even understand the original translation.

So it goes back lots of lots of, you know, whatever.

But it's like, I think people get it all confused where it's like, like, almost like, because they were saying certain stuff about how like well we just don't our belief you know based because they would ask them like okay why do you believe this like what is it well we believe with my faith my faith my faith and it was like interesting i was like i'm not hearing anything come from your like your own yeah like and then when they ask them their husbands probably tell them they can't have an opinion

i don't know but it was just i don't know it was just very interesting i never heard that term before and i not really sure that i'm like this is why is this happening How do we get so far?

Why are we having these old archaic things?

I guess, listen, I cool, like you said, if it's up to you, it makes you happy.

It really makes you happy.

It's awesome.

I mean, I can understand certain things.

Like,

and I feel like it's just like mutual respect.

Like, if you're gone, you know, and you're something, something's going on, whatever, if you come home, it makes me feel good to like, oh, he's going to come home and I'm going to have the house clean and dinner made, but I don't do it because I feel like I have to or and I don't do it all the time either.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, you know, it's just kind of like

certain things where it's it's like, it'll bring me joy, you know, and make the house smell good, but I also do it for myself, not just you either.

Right, exactly.

And vice versa.

Like, when I would be going and doing things, there's plenty of times where I'd come home and Ty would have cooked dinner was being cooked and the house was spotless and the kids were clean because I mean, as a significant other, that's just things you do when the other person isn't around.

Yeah, right.

I mean, and it doesn't feel one of those things where it's like, I will honor thy wife.

And I, you know, or like, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like, like you said, I'm not doing it for the other person.

I'm doing it because we both live in this house and I like clean dishes like you like clean dishes.

I like cooked dinner like you like cooked dinner.

You know what I'm saying?

You don't even have to be cooked dinner.

You'd be like, yeah, babe, I'm ordering a pizza order.

You know, all right, cool, whatever.

There's food there, you know?

I don't know.

Is it when you were watching and stuff, did it kind of come off like,

I don't know, like old school, like cultish in a sense?

Oh, dude.

Yes.

And that's what I was trying to read.

I was like, I want to see, I want to, and then it got me thinking, I want to hear a debate about, are there any trad wives who are not uh religiously like you know i would love to talk to one yeah i want one that because because the the the the debate kept going on i was like they kept saying i want to talk to them that's not religious

all right right it'd be kind of interesting but they what they were the whole point was they were pretty much saying that like the the the feminist movement was actually hurting women in general

i know i i'm well you listen there is what they're saying when we can do what we want with our body and have tattoos and i can own a business and I can have my own bank account even if I am married.

Like, what?

I don't know.

They're blaming certain.

How is it ruining women?

You get misogynistic people

in upper places and people who, you know, like the orange man.

And he takes, he's trying to take everything away from women.

So it's like, make that make sense.

Like, I don't understand.

How does that benefit women?

I don't know.

I don't know.

It's got me really, it's like, and then like, I don't know, the, the kind of like the public, like, this is amazing.

We need to get back to this old, almost like celebrating the old.

Do they wish that it was just like, yeah, like American.

And that was how it used to be yours.

Well, here's, I thought it was funny because then I got me thinking about 1950s.

Well, 1950s, we were taxing at 94%

for corporate.

So we were, okay, I know everyone hates it.

Like, that's when you could afford.

a house, a car, and maybe a little vacation house up north off of one person's salary.

And the mom could stay home and be that whatever it was.

It's because we were taxing the rich at 94%.

So, do the math.

It's not because of feminism.

It's because we had a different economic system before Reagan, before all that, you know, trickle-down crap.

And then, you know, so listen, like, it just, I just thought it was interesting hearing them kind of explain their take.

And I'm like, wow, this is, I can't, like, this is a modern thing.

They were young.

They were probably like a couple of years younger than us.

And I'm like, whoa, to see these young women, like, just like

fighting against it.

Other ones who are like, whoa, dude, like, yo, you knew your grandma.

Right.

Couldn't even get a credit card.

Like,

you're okay with that.

I don't know.

It was so weird, man.

That would be my thing.

Like, and you're okay with that?

Like, you have to ask your husband for $50.

Yeah.

Some of them were like kind of like more extreme than others, I felt like.

And they probably are.

So, I mean, if you are a

trad wife out there and you're listening to this, like.

It's not because you're like religiously affiliated because that's why you're not.

No, hey, like I said, if that brings you joy, great.

It would not bring me joy, and I'm definitely not going to teach my daughters that way of life.

But if more power to you if that's what you like.

But if you're a trad wife, and like Ty said, not like super, I don't know, I would like to get a non-biased

trad wife in my DMs.

Like, let's talk.

I think it'd be great to have a conversation and just ask.

Yeah, I am curious.

It got me really, I was very curious.

I'm like, wow, this is really interesting.

Like, what,

where are we at?

Like, people love dogs on account of how nice, soft, and fluffy they are.

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Well, yeah, well, because also people can't afford

it to have kids.

This is one of the first generations where we're actually

our parents were wealthier.

Like,

we don't have anywhere close to what they had.

And it's weird to even think about how.

And that's sad because my mom and dad didn't have a lot.

I know, dude.

You know, like, that's crazy.

That's why I always, I always count our blessings all the time.

Oh, always.

Every time I put gas in my my car, actually, it's really weird.

I don't know if it'll ever leave my head.

Yeah, you think of your mom, right?

I think of my mom.

I go and I, and I, and I, I'm able to pump the gas and like just let it fill up.

Without, I mean, I still consciously watch, but, but, but, like,

I just remember all the time my mom just being like $19.

Because she let me had a dollar to buy a freaking stupid Coke or something, you know, so it's like really $19.

You can get over it.

Right.

Like, and I had to think about it every single time, and I just feel so like,

I always feel grateful when I put gas in my car.

Isn't that weird?

There's one little thing.

I don't know, I think it's multiple things, but yeah, that's one thing.

I think it makes you go back.

And yeah,

I think staying humble is the number one thing that people have and should do.

You just remind yourself.

Yeah, I was going to say, remind yourself where you came from and what it was like.

I'll pull in the house still, and I'll slowly go down the driveway at certain times.

Like, this is it.

This is crazy.

Right.

Like, you know?

Yeah.

Holy shit.

Like, thank you so much every, all the time.

Like, it's insane.

Yeah.

Like, my mom was never able to own a house.

Honestly, just be with my kids.

Like, people think all the time, like, oh, well, you know, it's like, listen, I was able to spend every second and minute with them.

Until they, up until they had to start school.

Yeah, up until they had to start school.

Like, that's crazy.

And I'll never get those years back.

And I'm not, I don't regret shit.

I don't regret nothing.

Yeah, because you will never get them back.

I'll never get it back.

So.

And then we got little Miss Riah going to school this year.

I'm not okay with it.

I know.

It's crazy.

But it's like talking about the trad wife stuff, too.

I think it ties into this other, into this other topic about, you know, because I'm sure I'm guessing that trad wives have to, like, asking permission from your spouse about things.

Yes.

And that's what they, there's a kind of like, they went back and forth a little bit, which got me thinking about asking permission, period.

Right.

I mean, I feel like you and I ask perm.

We don't like, I wouldn't say permission.

It's, yeah, we talk about things.

I would never think if someone said, hey, man, this is what we're going to do, whatever.

And I'll be like, oh, okay, let me ask my wife if I can.

I always go, oh, well, let me talk to my wife real quick and see what our plans are.

Yeah, because we don't have a schedule.

What our plans are.

But to even think of the word permission.

Yeah, that doesn't sound right.

Even when I was like coming out of my mouth, I'm like, yeah, right, right.

He had a political stuff because it's like, no, there's no permissive things going between me.

No, no, no.

There's no permissive is such a

it's an inferior position at all times.

And we're not, I don't ever want that to be happening.

I want

that.

Yeah, so i talk we talk i was gonna say like we ask you if i can or can't yeah we have conversations but i've never asked like hey can i oh god it's like what is that can i what right it's more or less like hey are you doing anything this weekend i want to go here or do this with the kids or i'm you know going out with my friends or whatever you pretty much announce

True, yeah.

I mean, I'm not asking you anything.

You never ask me anything.

No.

I'm announcing, hey, I mean, I want to do this.

Does that mess with anything you got going on?

Right.

And if it does, then I'm moving it and I'm doing a different time.

Exactly.

We talk about it.

You talk.

That's true.

Because I'm even thinking about the time, too, when I bought my first, the first Maine Coon, and I didn't tell you for like three months.

Exactly.

Right.

I was like, you're going to get a Maine Coon cat.

I'm like, all right, whatever, dude.

Going to get a cat.

I mean, whatever.

Yeah, now we have two.

Yeah, by the way.

Yeah.

But like, that's what I tried convincing him to.

I was like, come on, let's get a third.

Dude, she's crazy.

Everyone tell her that she's nuts.

But for real, I'm not like, I don't know.

I just feel like the whole asking permission thing really bugs me.

Yeah, we don't ask permission to spend money.

We don't ask permission to go places, do things.

I guess what kind of partnership, true partnership is asking permission?

The only time you have to ask permission in life at all is when you are in a position that's inferior to whoever you're asking.

Right, like you would ask your mom or dad.

Yeah, we made a pact.

It's never one of those situations.

If any of us feel that way, then we have other problems to deal with.

Yeah, because I'm like racking my brain.

I'm like, I don't think there's ever been a time.

Yeah, thinking about it, you know, in our lives where we've asked permission.

Yeah, even the word, can I, it's always like, I was thinking of,

I wanted to,

you know, say, I bought this

on this date.

Like, whatever.

Honestly, if things are like crazy, super expensive, we talk about it and we're like, just, you know, does that make sense?

Or should we do this?

Or, you know what I mean?

Which I think that's normal.

Yeah, but honestly, and everything that's expensive is something to do with us, a camper, you know, a

new mattress, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a new mattress, a piece of furniture we're all gonna sit on.

So, it's like, you know what I mean?

Like, I mean, we just talk about it.

Yeah, that would be weird.

Wouldn't it be weird thinking about it for a minute?

Like, being like, oh, well, let me.

Can I?

Hey, Tyler, can I?

Sick.

Can I go and, you know, pay $400 to get my hair done?

No, honey, you can't.

I'd be like,

no, I'd be like, let me go make my sourdough now.

Right, right.

Oh, no.

Shit.

I tried hopping on that trend.

I still have a freaking bread maker sitting in the cover that I never even used.

Kate bought a freaking bread maker machine where.

I bought one for my new stepmommy, too.

You did?

Yeah, I bought one.

She uses it all the time.

Yeah, I bet she does.

She loves it.

Listen, you guys, you dump it in there, you hit the button.

Yeah, I know.

I still never used it.

Don't touch it until it goes

whatever.

And then this bread's there.

There's no kneading.

There's no rolling.

There's no doughing.

There's no

shit.

I bet you when Christine got that thing and used it for the first time, she was like, what is life?

Yeah, a bread.

My stepmom.

So what are we doing?

I don't know.

I guess I need to.

I need to, my sister needs to teach me how to make a sourdough starter because I guess that's the most important thing.

Oh, okay.

Oh, well, I mean, that's on.

You can do that online.

Look it up.

I guess.

Hey, Mary, Mary Gilbert, ask her for some starter.

Oh, true.

Yeah, she's been doing that too.

I I forgot about that.

They're trusting me.

Just go on your

local Facebook group and be like, type in sourdough.

I remember we were in Florida in December because my dad got married.

And my sister, Amber, came up to me and she's like, oh, yeah, you know, like, I make sourdough and stuff.

And she was like showing pictures to Ty and stuff, I guess, or whatever.

They put like little hearts.

They put like flowers.

Yeah, she like cuts shit into them and stuff.

And then all of a sudden, she's like, hey, Caitlin, I have to show you pictures of my sourdough.

And I just looked at her and I go, you would be a fucking sourdough, mom.

And she said, you would have pictures of sourdough on your phone.

Tyler was like, he was like, the way you said that, baby, where you were just like, you would be a fucking sourdough mom.

He's like, had me rolling.

And then my sister was like, well, they're not the prettiest.

And she's showing me and they have like

teeth cut into them and hearts.

And she's got like chocolate and marshmallows on the top.

And I'm like, bitch, please, you know, like, it's pretty as fuck.

Like, calm down.

No,

I didn't know bread could be not pretty or pretty.

I didn't know.

I had no idea.

I thought you just dumped your ingredients in there and then whatever pops out pops out.

Some of them look a little better than others, but

you got to cut the designs in it before it cooks, even.

Yeah, because she had like a little leaf, and I'm like, What the hell?

Like, you went slash, slash, slash, and it just puffed up like a leaf.

Yeah, I mean, I ain't never put no leaf in no bread.

No, but that, I'll tell you what, that chocolate s'mores one that she made looked good as shit, dude.

Yeah, it was like a chocolate s'mores sourdough bread.

I'm down for that.

And she's like, I know it's not the prettiest.

I'm like, shut up.

It's got a flour on it.

Right.

It's got chocolate and toasted marshmallows.

Like, come on now.

It is cool.

While I have a bread maker sitting in the cupboard and I've never even used one.

Bread maker, guys.

Convince her.

Send her some recipes.

Like,

what?

Just look.

Recipes are easy.

It even comes with a recipe book, and I haven't even used it.

You just dump it.

You dump the stuff in there.

Yeah, I know.

And I haven't.

Even, even though.

I want some sourdough, chocolate, s'mores, chocolate, whatever to sourdough.

Dude, yeah, I think, like, my stepmom and like my brother and stuff, they even made like a fruity pebble bread.

Like, they put fruity pebbles in it.

Like, yeah, you can put all sorts of type of shimmer.

No, I want some sourdough bread.

That's what I mean.

Like, my, my dad's new wife, so she's from the Philippines.

So, like, she comes from like a place where they didn't even have like running water and stuff.

And so, she moved to America.

And my dad was always posting her making bread videos, you know?

And my dad's like, Yeah, she's got me on a hunt for yeast all the time trying to find yeast, you know?

And so, I just like randomly, I sent her like a bread machine and stuff.

And she was like, floored.

Especially, like, you know, it does everything for you.

So, it's she ain't used to it.

That's it.

Yeah.

But I've always wished I was more like a, I want to make stuff like croissants.

Yeah, then I'm going to

wake 400 fucking hours.

Isn't that what we're supposed to do in our mid-30s?

I don't know.

I would love to eat brownies and cookies and cakes and shit, too.

I do like to bake, but it's then I want to and thankfully I'm not really like a sweets person, but you're not.

I would, no, I would want to eat it all.

I want, you know,

I'm more of like a savory person.

So yeah, bread would probably be a problem.

I mean, I want chocolate.

I know.

I want chocolate swirled ice cream with caramel and ch chocolate chunks in the chocolate ice cream.

Yeah, I can't.

Sweets, no.

No, but I can always tell when Mother Nature's coming knocking because I want donuts and chocolate and cake and cookies.

You always know what's happening.

I'm like, oh, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Because I don't like sweets, really.

She's in there.

She's almost there.

And man, everyone.

I see donuts on Instacart.

I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep.

It's coming.

Let's go.

Chocolate ice cream.

That's not like her.

It's usually vanilla.

Yeah, and I swear, each one of our kids, man, they got that sweet tooth gene from you.

No was bad as a kid.

You don't understand a bad thing.

Noah's was bad.

They're all actually all bad with sweet tooth.

I wanted candy all the time.

I was 80.

I just wanted it.

I just wanted everything.

And then I figured out, remember when you were kids, you'd have like Mountain Dew parties?

Yes.

Like, you know, you can drink alcohol through like eight years old slamming two liters of Mountain Dew.

Yeah, and acting all fucking crazy.

Yeah, it never worked for me.

I go right to sleep.

But swear to God.

Yeah, you definitely are hyperactive.

And I used to get kind of annoyed because I'm like, dude, you're so irritating.

I want to be wild and crazy, too.

But it reminds me of the mirror, like, whenever, so I always went to my dad's, like, every other weekend and spent some time, like, in the summer.

I know you know this story, but it's just something that lives in my mind.

Like, when I would go to my dad's house, you know, we weren't allowed to like drink pop or like, you know, nothing like that.

And then every, yeah, and then every once in a while, my dad would give me and my sister Amber Mountain Dew.

Would you think like Mountain Dew?

Like, that should, oh, it would get you hype as a kid.

I know, I will, I never, well, me.

Yeah, I know, I know, I watch all the kids,

yeah, um,

but I'll never forget my dad used to watch this, like,

show.

It was, like, about, like, people in Africa or whatever, and it would be, like, these ladies with no tops on, so their boobs are just hanging out, and they got their kids on their hips, and me and Erin would just drink Mountain Dew, and we would just laugh our asses off because it's just like Old Cities

hanging around.

You know what I mean?

But when you're like eight and you just drink, you know, smashed a whole two-liter of Mountain Dew, you know, we were just laughing and laughing.

And I'm like, what?

My dad used to watch the weirdest shit.

Yeah, he still watches like Big Barefoot or

finding Bigfoot.

And oh, my dad is like, he is a Bigfoot believer.

Bigfoot exists.

He's out there somewhere.

Like,

it is very,

I know.

I, yeah.

You know, he is definitely that guy.

Yeah.

But it's like just the most random shit.

Like,

like, what kind of, what channel was that even on?

Nat Geo, bro.

Okay, but like, hell yeah, Nat Geo, the African titties all out.

Yeah, everyone knows Nat Geo.

Yeah, it's, and I'm like, where was his wife at the time?

Because she was like so strict.

We, you know, we weren't allowed to drink pop and stuff.

And, like, my dad and her would watch raid at our movies sometimes in the weekend, and we couldn't even come out of the bedroom if they were watching a raid at our movie.

But then we're allowed to watch like African titties, like, you know, and drink Mountain Dew.

I'm like, so where was she?

You know, I don't know.

Oh, my God.

My dad, yeah.

It was always like hunting shows and naked African ladies in Africa.

My mom would always watch like intense stuff.

No.

It's cringy.

She's still like, I gotta watch Days of Our Lives.

I'm like, ew, it's so boring.

I can't.

No, I dude.

I sat down there.

That's like that.

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I was like, you need to watch that.

And she is, she's in it.

She texts me randomly.

She's like, well, I can't.

I guess I shouldn't spoil it for anyone.

No, you you can't spoil it.

We haven't even watched the last season.

She was like, This happened.

Oh, my God.

I'm like, Oh, you're in it now.

But remember, the first couple of seasons, she's like, This is too weird.

I don't really like it.

Right.

And then I would mess with her because, you know,

she

different beliefs, political climate stuff.

Yeah.

And I would mess with her and I would be like, I said, it's not for our fetch, mom.

It can happen.

You know, she'd be like, oh, whatever.

I'd be like, under as high.

You know, and she'd be like, shut up.

I would just rain the same rain with shit, really.

Oh, praise be, you know, Puzzle with the fruit.

Yeah.

And she was just like, oh, my God, knock it off.

And I'm like, just saying, it's coming.

Well, hey, when that, when that, all that stuff happened, I did, I did tell her about it.

I said, you know, this woman is being held for this baby.

And she's like, that's so fucked up.

Yeah.

And it literally, it was like a scene out of the hand.

I'm like,

oh, man, dude.

It's scary.

It's disgusting.

And then you have people that are like, fuck feminists.

Like, what?

Come on now.

I know.

That's kind of where I'm like.

Make it make sense.

no i know and i sense this weird division shift thing going on where i thought for a while i thought everyone was going to the same you know progressively getting to the same thing we're all kind of generally

moving this way yeah and i just feel the locomotives stop and just reverse and so

going back like it's weird it's like and then there's this huge divide of like

what was so great back then you know i don't know and i think people need to not be so divided about like political views and everything i think it should simply come down to like humans and human rights and what is fair and not fair and what is equal and not equal.

Not about anybody having more power than anybody else.

Not even about political parties.

No, not at all.

It's just about like I because I'm not biased or

you know, I'm not like

sold on one or the other.

It's just what they speak about, what they stand for, what I'm listening to, what I see, what they're voting on.

I mean, that's just, that's it.

Well, like you and I said, like, we don't vote for

the certain side every time.

It's based off of

which person fits my morals and values more.

I mean, I don't know.

And then doing research, like, I feel like people like, you know, they speak one thing.

A lot of people don't know.

And then no one watches the, it's public TV.

It'll show you yay or nay, how many people voted on this bill.

That people go and read bills online.

Record.

Yeah.

Read that.

I know it's, it's annoying.

A lot of skimming, a lot of Googling.

What the hell does that word mean?

And it may take you back to other things.

Yeah, it's a little bit different.

But I do feel like you should be educated about and true education on what you're, you know, leaning towards.

Because people can say and talk certain things.

I'm, I'm really believing what's, what's on the piece of paper and what you're checking yes or no on.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, that's it.

I mean, I don't, that's it.

That's all I, I don't know what else.

Yeah, because actions speak louder than words.

Yeah.

You could lie until you're fucking blue in the face and then not do anything.

And then even bills, though, bill names sound good, and then you read the details, and then a little different than what you thought.

So it's like, you just gotta just, I mean, it's, it takes time, and it's a little bit of work, but just don't be lazy about it.

You know, I guess that's what I like.

Don't be lazy about it.

Yeah, and don't take like what they're take what they're saying with a grain of salt.

And like you said, then you do the investigation to see if it's true or not true.

You know, what are they voting on?

Yeah, or what have they done during their whole careers?

I think whatever, and it's all on record, what they said yay or nay to on all the bills.

Read the bills.

What stands do you like?

You know what I mean?

Right, agree with.

You can see.

You can see.

They don't even have to speak.

They don't even have to campaign.

Be silent.

Yeah.

And I'll know who you are by what you're voting on certain bills for.

Well, that's because you put the effort into getting the knowledge.

You know,

I'm not sitting there reading the whole thing.

But there's a lot of skimming.

It's a pain in the ass.

Anyone who does it and goes on the website and reads a bill,

not all of it's horrible.

Some bills are actually really simple, but some of them are just, oh, God.

It's work.

But I feel like, you know, you have to do that.

Yeah, don't you wish you'd like, oh, gosh, the days when you didn't have to worry about that.

You're a kid.

It's just like whatever.

Uh-huh.

I know.

Well,

adulting sucks.

It does, bro.

I think it's so cool, and it's not.

It sucks.

And we had adults our whole lives telling us, I know.

Don't, you know, I'm J.

No, you don't.

And that's so funny.

That's so stupid.

And then you get to like their age when they were telling us those things.

And now, here I tell it to your niece and our kids all the time, too.

And I'm like, they ain't fucking listening.

No, they ain't listening.

No, they're like, you're, you're done.

I think because you're, you're, you're just so set on freedom.

And you believe that freedom is going to, that's the end-all, be-all.

That is the ticket to happiness, is freedom.

But freedom, it just comes with so much responsibility that it's almost like, oh, this freedom is annoying.

You know, because it's like, like, one of my pet peeves is, I'm fucking sick of thinking about what I have to cook for dinner for the rest of my life.

When you're a kid, it was just mom's like, this is what we're having,

you know?

And sometimes I always hated it.

Sometimes I cried.

I'm like, not again.

Here we're your helper.

Yeah.

And

that's one thing.

I'm just like, bro, for the rest of my life, I have to worry about what I'm going to eat for dinner.

Yeah, but imagine if you were like,

you know what I mean?

Like those iron chef people, which is like, you know what I mean?

Sure.

No, I know, but like, oh, we mix the brandy with the French wine and

the not salt and the acid and the sugar.

You know, like, no one will accommodate.

It's really chemistry.

Well, then it sucks because when you have children, too, like, we're in the, you know, the depths of it right now.

And you try to make something new and like tasty, and the kids are like, ew, I don't like it.

Or they try and they don't like it.

I'm like, dude, this is so good.

What are you talking about?

Let me tell you now, the rage you feel when you spend an hour cooking this new meal that you don't even know if you're going to like or not sounds kind of good.

You take a risk, you roll the dice, and it just

and you're eating it by yourself while you're still, still making the kids something else because they don't do

so annoying.

Well, when it gets to that point, it's like, fine, then I'm frying up a couple hot dogs.

Yeah, here's your hot dog.

Macaroni and cheese goes, uh, this shit's good.

I'll eat it.

Hot dog Mac.

There you go.

Right?

You've never done that.

I used to when I was a kid, you ever did that?

Hot dogs in your macaroni and cheese.

Come on.

No.

Are you kidding?

Maybe like once or twice.

Come on.

That just sounds really gross right now.

I know other kids did this.

You combined

a little bit of meat with the carbs.

You know what I mean?

That's when you're a kid.

Never cared about meat and carbs.

I'm just saying.

It's a full-on meal when you're poor.

You chop the hot dogs.

You know, you got some extras in the fridge somewhere.

Throw them in the Mac.

I actually thought you were.

Do you remember that meal that your mom used to make because you were poor?

The sausage, potato, green bean.

Yeah, sausage, potatoes, and green beans.

I was.

Well, yeah, well, besides sausage.

True.

But

I saw, there was actually a recipe that I saw today on TikTok, but she used like all fresh ingredients for that and like did added like some like um beef

uh my god what is it called like beef stock in it and like put it in this crock pot and dude that shit actually looked so good yeah it's good i was like damn that sounds yummy i know i haven't had that in a while i might have to make a poor man's dinner yep yeah sounds about good it does

i so do i i'm bad i'll eat ramen noodles, though.

Yeah, I know.

Well, the one time I had a craving for it a few weeks ago, remember?

Because you were like, Why'd you order ramen?

I was like, I don't had a craving for it.

I ate it, and it was gross.

It was, yeah, I did not like it.

You've officially moved out, you were a grown-up.

I didn't like it.

When are you gonna grow up?

I'm

help me, help me.

I don't know what's wrong with me.

I can't.

What am I supposed to do?

Tell her she's like, Yeah, cereal?

Yeah, cream of noodles?

Yeah.

Cheese dip that I just make and throw things in a pot and concoction and dip chips in.

Yeah.

That's what I do.

Yeah.

I'm a concoctor.

Your dad's the same way.

We'll just go on the leftovers and we'll go, whatever's in there.

You know, we'll just, okay, cool.

You got some extra meat, some spaghetti?

We'll just chop up and make some sausage spaghetti.

Or whatever.

I don't know.

Whatever it is.

That is so funny, especially because, like, you were never raised with your dad.

And he does the same shit.

Yeah.

Because, I mean, I probably lived with him longer than you were.

What?

That is diabolical.

Holy shit.

I've never thought.

You have.

Yeah.

You have lived with my dad.

That fucked up.

More than I ever have.

Under the same roof.

Yeah.

Eating meals together.

Yeah.

That's insane.

Right?

You did.

And he would concoct some shit.

And I'd be like, that's definitely me.

He makes some good ass Spanish rice.

He does.

But some of the shit I'm like, that's definitely a prison meal, bro.

Oh, my God.

You're not behind the cells anymore.

We don't need to crush up Doritos to make us fronts.

I'm just kidding.

He never did that.

But yeah, just the whole like throwing random shit in it.

Yeah, but isn't that weird?

Yeah, I lived with your dad.

Yeah, you did.

Probably longer than you ever have in your whole life.

Living in life.

Yeah, but I was constantly running from there, too.

True, true.

Like, get me the fuck out of here.

That time of life, I was like, give me the fuck out of here.

Someone were driving that stupid van around.

Dude, the hooped.

Getting dropped off to school was the most embarrassing thing ever.

And going to the OBGYN and that fucking thing.

And then also think about having the whole television crew following you too, on top of that.

Oh, yeah, that's right.

Embarrassing as fuck.

Especially when you're like a teenager.

And he would like start it with a fucking screwdriver.

Yep, screwdriver.

One time, me and my friend, my friend came from Florida to visit me, and we drove the hooped.

And it was stalled out.

Yeah, be careful.

Oh, yeah, yeah, before we fucking stop, and the fucking hoopty van stalled out.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, if you didn't keep that flat out,

it would, yeah.

And I remember he would just like throw shit in the back, like

and it would break.

Yeah, he'd throw bottles.

Yeah, because he was drinking and driving.

Fucked up, bro.

Just you think about that time, and it's like everybody's like, sure, just go with butch.

It's like, all right, yeah, sure, yeah, we're in a bunch of money.

Cost glass bottles in the back seat.

You'd hear it crash in the back behind you.

Like, that's real fucking safe.

Off the metal of the van.

And that was just our normal.

Yeah.

Like, what the fuck?

Never in a million years would I be like, sure, honey, go in Tim's car.

Yeah, he's chucking foul back.

Like, what the fuck?

Starting it with a fucking screwdriver, which is also illegal.

I didn't even know that.

Yeah.

I only know that because of cops.

I never knew that.

And also, he never had a license.

No, of course.

So driving was, of course, he didn't care.

He's like, I don't care.

Drinking to driving.

Like, screwdriver's illegal.

Drinking and driving is illegal.

Guess what?

Even just driving is illegal for you because you don't have a license.

That's fucking crazy.

he eventually got his license when he was 55 no just kidding i don't know how old he was but that shit was crazy it was fucking nuts good old was no never mind not good crazy chaotic days of times of times it was oh

there's some parts are i'm like i would love to go back to and then other parts i'm like fuck no I think I like to go back to just like, like you said, just like not having any adult worries.

There was no worrying about what I needed to make for dinner.

There was no, none of that, like, there was nothing, yeah.

But yeah, just the periods of like chaos.

I'm like, no, thank you.

It was stressful.

I've had to do a lot of fucking mental health healing from a lot of that shit.

I'm like, I don't want to go back to some of that shit.

Never again.

Really?

Yeah.

I never want to go to that ever again.

That's a topic for a whole other fucking episode.

But no, okay, but I'm dead serious.

Like, anybody that's listening, you know, if you are a trad wife that's not biased, please reach out to the KNS.

biased.

I just don't want, like, I don't want any.

I'm looking for a trad wife that's not religiously motivated.

That's what I guess I would say.

Just

because you're doing it because.

And also, like, how do you compare the trad wife to a feminist movement?

And why do you think the feminist movement is so bad?

If there's any trad wife's listening, I feel like that would be a really good conversation to have on a podcast.

Just to, you know, I don't know, just pick your brain.

I want to know why you live the way you live.

what, you know,

what brings you joy out of it.

Yeah, all of it.

So, um, you can definitely DM the Kate and Ty Break It Down pages.

So it's Kate and Ty Break It Down on Instagram and TikTok.

Send a DM there because I would really, that would be interesting.

Yeah.

Um, especially if you don't mind like sharing your story and, you know, it being recorded and all of those

things.

Other than that, I mean,

got anything else to say?

I'm just kind of wanting to know what's going on with the whole society movement here going on.

Yeah, it's definitely intriguing.

I'm that like this whole week is all I've been thinking about.

I'm like, what is going on?

All I know is it's a no, it's a no for me.

I was concerned.

Yeah, it's crazy.

And plus, I, yeah, right.

I raised my daughters totally differently.

The answer they were saying would just, I thought about like even just reading that, I was like,

but, anyways, please reach out.

And

we will be talking to you guys next week.

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