Kindness Over Cruelty

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Speaker 2 True. Yeah, Etsy's a little different though, because it's like artists.

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Speaker 2 No, but it's like a it's like a rally cry. Like, there's a, I think it's you know how, like, there's all those um pages that like all they do is snark on people or whatever.

Speaker 2 Yes, and it's like a whole, it's like it's like, listen, rally your armies and go down vote and go dislike and unstar and whatever the hell it is on the podcast.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, there's so many other better things you could be rallying for. That's so true.
Especially this day and age.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, hello, we have kids being deported and shit like come on now like that's true but you want to dislike our page or go give it really bad ratings like whatever

Speaker 2 go for it like people say like one of them is um we just they just like they just use certain words to sound educated what i mean i don't know i mean i i just speak i don't know that's what i was gonna say maybe that's just the way we talk i mean listen i can sound real stupid too i mean i'm pretty sure you you can find something that I found.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I have my moments.

Speaker 1 I have my moments. Definitely.
And then it's just like, yeah, like you said, that whole movement. But I think that goes into what I was going to talk about is about how

Speaker 1 I'm like, I love TikTok. I love strolling and watching my videos and stuff.
And you're very much as it, you are like, TikTok is toxic.

Speaker 2 I've seen it firsthand. I've witnessed it happen.

Speaker 1 I mean, I get where you're coming from as

Speaker 1 like some things on TikTok can be toxic.

Speaker 2 How many hours? What do you mean? Do you think people on average spend a day on TikTok? Four. Four.
I don't believe it. I think it's higher than that.
You think so?

Speaker 2 Because, yeah, because it's one of those things where, like, even I

Speaker 2 find myself and I'm like, dude, this is all right. All right.
All right. You're scrolling or scrolling or scrolling.
You know what it reminds me of? You know that study that came out about cocomelon?

Speaker 2 And it's like not good for kids because it's like every five seconds something different's happening or the colors and all flashing. I swear to God, it's like the adult version of that.

Speaker 2 Like it's, it consumes the brain so much that you think you've only been on there for 20 minutes. Nah, dude, nah.

Speaker 2 I've been hearing your little shit coming over there from the corner of your phone for about two hours, dude.

Speaker 1 I do. I mean, I liked, I love TikTok, it's funny, but I know I do understand about what you mean.
Like, and I feel like this is with any social media platform.

Speaker 1 People just sit behind screens and they say whatever they want to say. And I know for a shit.
I mean, I know for a shit.

Speaker 2 I know for a shit. See, we're real educated around here.
We say big words like shit.

Speaker 1 Don't sound very educated in that moment.

Speaker 1 No, but I know for a fact that most of these people that sit there and say things online, they would not be coming up to us in the streets and saying anything to our face.

Speaker 1 If anything, they would probably, oh my God, I love you guys.

Speaker 2 Or they would just, I don't know, see a picture and say, look at this stupid piece of shit we saw walking down the street today or something.

Speaker 2 But I will say, I think what it comes down to, though, is the anonymity, the anonymity, whatever you want to call it, the anonymous part of it. Like,

Speaker 2 it's the fact that it's anonymous, which I feel like almost gives people this like freedom to be, oh, well, I'm anonymous with a little picture. No one really knows who I am.

Speaker 1 I can use your three, four, five, six, two.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can be cruel.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, you know what's so weird is that what I've seen is like they're so addicted to like being unnecessarily cruel. Like you would never be that cruel to some random person you saw.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like they must be highly miserable in their own day-to-day life because.

Speaker 2 well, there's a quote that they say, your judgments of other people are

Speaker 2 what you're not facing yourself, like what your own insecurities are, right, or how you feel about yourself.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so if you see someone, like, oh, God, she's so, you know, her hair looks like shit. It's like you're actually self-protecting that you don't think your hair looks that good.

Speaker 1 Like, it's really like, well, I can't remember who said it, but I mean, because honestly, it's just like it's online bullying, it is, which is super harmful.

Speaker 1 But you think about back in the day, like when we were kids and stuff with bullies, nine out of ten times, it's because that bully was not happy within their selves or something's going on at their home in their home or like something bad is just going on with them.

Speaker 1 And I think it's, that's the same thing. But I do notice that.

Speaker 2 But today, nowadays, you can't get away from it.

Speaker 1 Well, no, and that's why a lot of young people, and that's why a lot of young people are struggling with their mental health, committing suicide.

Speaker 2 Who's that girl? That girl that on TikTok? Whatever. I mean, her husband was, was, it was devastating.

Speaker 2 And I want people who are listening to this and who want to go on TikTok and comment on all of our videos and just be just taking the time out of your day to be so unnecessarily cruel.

Speaker 2 Like, how is this what we're doing as a society? How are we, how do we end up here? Because she is dead. Her husband.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she was, her name was Fox Girl on TikTok.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's devastating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did you see her husband's video?

Speaker 2 And it was all from online bullying. All from online.
And actually, I guess what it comes down to is now I guess her family's going to is trying to sue these like Reddit snark pages.

Speaker 2 They absolutely should. And it's interesting because I'm like, what is it? I didn't even know what a snark page was.
And then I'm like, oh, this is what a snark page is. What is it?

Speaker 2 A snark page is pretty much like someone will go and make like...

Speaker 2 It'd be the equivalent of someone making an Instagram account saying, I hate Caitlin. Okay.
And it's just all, it's just everyone comes together.

Speaker 2 On that page and just, they just come together in the same hatred and just, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 And so I guess that they're trying to sue the family is trying to sue the snark pages because it's direct, you know, it's relevant to why she did what she did.

Speaker 2 And it's like, dude, I think people are so used to having this anonymous

Speaker 2 cloud over them and it's pretty much an armor. I mean, there's armor when you're, when you're anonymous and just talking shit online.
And so it's like, it's

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 you think you're kind of. protected because you don't have like the face-to-face.

Speaker 1 But also, there's been cases that I've even seen on TikTok of like this young girl that committed suicide because of bullying.

Speaker 1 And her family and stuff are going after those girls that were bullying her and they're suing them.

Speaker 1 So it's like you can't, you can get in trouble for being an online bully, especially if somebody takes their own life because of things that you've said.

Speaker 2 And my whole thing is that what is the point of it? I understand you. You may have, you know how many opinions I have.
every day when I'm watching stuff online.

Speaker 2 I even see stuff about people we know and I'm like, you know, I I have these opinions in my head, which is normal. That's normal.
We're all normal human beings. We judge.
It's part of our

Speaker 2 survival. Right, but I don't go out of my way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't go out of my way to comment and just say something so unnecessarily cruel that I know could potentially hurt someone else's feelings or someone else could see it.

Speaker 2 And it just doesn't, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 I don't get the motivation behind it. Like, what is the motivation behind it? Like, what would you do?

Speaker 1 Maybe it makes them feel big for 2.5 seconds. I don't know.
And if you're getting joy out of hurting somebody else, I think you need to look inwards and probably get some help.

Speaker 2 Well, I think

Speaker 2 it's almost like a cool thing nowadays to not have empathy. It's like, when did this happen?

Speaker 2 When in the hell did it happen to where it's cool to just not have empathy for people? Like,

Speaker 2 I could honestly say that was wrong, what you did, whatever, whatever, but I still have empathy for that person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just for people.

Speaker 2 Just for people in general. I don't know what battles they're going through.
I don't know what they're fighting day to day, in and out. I don't know any of that stuff.
So it's like, dude.

Speaker 2 And sympathy for people. Yeah, why are we not? Why? I just don't.

Speaker 1 So I'll tell you what. I mean, I, as a mom, I try to enforce that in my kids all the time about being there for the small people.

Speaker 1 And if you see certain things going on, stand up for those, you know, people or whatever.

Speaker 1 Because I think it's also, I think it's something that is taught. You know, like you're taught how to show empathy or how to not or, you know, any, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 And I feel like if there's, you know, if there's anybody that's listening to this that maybe is struggling with something or struggling with their mental health, mental, mental health, don't forget, you know, you can call the suicide hotline and the number is 988, 988.

Speaker 1 And you can also text 988.

Speaker 2 Which I think is great because the generation doesn't want to talk all the time. So text.

Speaker 1 And just because you text them or you call them doesn't mean they're going to show, you know, have cops sent to your house or anything like that.

Speaker 1 So don't be fearful of it, but they're meant to help.

Speaker 1 And so you can text them or you can call them. And the number is 988.

Speaker 1 And I think it's super important to put that stuff out there because they can give you information and leads to things in your area, therapists, or even if it's you just need to talk to somebody for a minute.

Speaker 2 I also think there's a responsibility on other people.

Speaker 2 Like I've, now, when I, what I have commented on is when I've scrolled and I've seen an unnecessarily cruel comment, and a lot of people are liking it.

Speaker 2 And so I'll comment on that and be like, this is just like pretty much like I'll be the only person, I guess, here to say this was really wrong.

Speaker 2 Like, people are all fucked up for saying what you're saying. Yeah, like we need more of those people.

Speaker 2 If those people

Speaker 2 are,

Speaker 2 but if those people could be louder, we need those people to be louder than these mean people. And so, please, if you see stuff, call it out, say that was wrong, that's unnecessary.

Speaker 2 What's your, what's your problem? Yeah, you know, and I think, I think one thing that bothers me a lot, though, is just like the

Speaker 2 body stuff, too. It's like, dude, how are we here at 2025 when we're still just commenting on people's weight and their appearance and the way they look? And it's like, dude, I can't.

Speaker 1 And then most of the time you go to their picture and it's like a picture of a duck or, you know, yeah.

Speaker 1 Or, you know, it's just like, what?

Speaker 2 Well, I literally just make it make sense.

Speaker 2 You know, I screenshot certain stuff and I'll like go to their, you know what I mean? And it's crazy because people are like, oh, damn, man. Oh, that girl's huge.
And I'll go to them.

Speaker 2 And dude, they're literally an obese person.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, so what the fuck is going on dude like what so like that one quote that goes back to that quote you're you're whatever you're harshly criticizing someone else for oh yeah if that's a actually a really good indicator to go internal okay whoa like shadow work stuff okay

Speaker 2 pause I'm you can I think it's hard though if you're so used to criticizing other people judging them being mean and then you're surrounding yourself with friends and family who also do the same thing how is it it's it's it's difficult to like pull yourself out of it and ask and actually be like self-reflective and like, whoa, dude, that was, I'm being harsh for no reason, right?

Speaker 2 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So it's like, yeah, you don't know, you don't know any different. And like you said, and then if you're surrounded with people who are doing the same thing, you feed off of one another.
It's weird.

Speaker 1 And that's gross. I don't want to be miserable and gross like that.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 And the negativity that I see is just like, God, this is so damaging.

Speaker 1 But see, in your opinion, you think TikTok is talk more toxic than any other social media app?

Speaker 2 I do. Really?

Speaker 2 Unregulated.

Speaker 1 I feel like Twitter is horrible. X, whatever.

Speaker 2 Horrible.

Speaker 1 Instagram is horrible. People's comments and shit like that.
I feel like they're all

Speaker 2 toxic. I guess.

Speaker 2 I guess I'm not saying the comment section of the comment section. People are going to have opinions.
I think it's the algorithm that feeds the people because,

Speaker 2 you know, Instagram and other stuff, there's regulations there.

Speaker 2 Even X has like reading notes where it's like, oh, this is a lie. This is a misconception.
This isn't true. Or Facebook will have a fact checker, whatever the case is.

Speaker 1 So you mean

Speaker 1 it can be more more toxic as far as like because it gets all the mean people together or do you mean like the people with that are posting like conspiracy theories or fake no no not just conspiracy theories I'm just saying people who are mean oh whatever

Speaker 2 TikTok has no regulations so it'll when you scroll next it'll probably be about that same person you just talk shit about oh that nasty bitch and then there'll be more of her more of that nasty so what it does because no no no listen it collects the mean people together so they go oh yeah I don't know you're that person either oh I hate that bitch too and so that person now they're feed.

Speaker 2 Do you see what I'm saying? So they're, so what it's doing is it's collecting the algorithms, collecting all the mean people into one little,

Speaker 2 you know, one little avenue and they're all together. So then they're all commenting on the same stuff on different videos.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, yeah, I get, I get what you're saying as far as pulling up the algorithm to feed whatever they're, to feed whatever their narratives are or what they're thinking or saying.

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Speaker 2 We're all out of the ordinary.

Speaker 1 And actually you do have a point because some stuff on TikTok, they're very strict. Like you can't do certain things in lives, you can't say certain things, you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 But like, for instance, my own TikTok page, I've noticed that a couple of my videos have been like flagged and I've gotten a strike for them.

Speaker 2 And I guess

Speaker 1 yeah, and I guess if you get, and I guess if you get so many strikes on TikTok, like they'll deactivate your account, like permanently deactivate it.

Speaker 1 No, but what's bullshit is that it's literally videos that I've posted of us sitting down with people for our podcast and interviewing them.

Speaker 2 Because, okay, like I said.

Speaker 1 Well, I know, like people like mass reporting or whatever. But then I will report on

Speaker 1 like people's videos that are spreading misinformation, false, or even harassing and bullying. And they'll let them leave their video up.
And so I wrote TikTok. I was like, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 I've reported this multiple times that it doesn't get taken down. But then you have my videos taken down of something that I own.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's literally me in that video talking to somebody else. And we're not talking about sexual assault or child abuse or any kind of trigger warning or anything.
Like make it make sense.

Speaker 2 It's because there's power in numbers and what TikTok and the algorithm that it does, you comment or watch a video about hating on somebody else for so long, that's your algorithm now.

Speaker 2 It's going to feed you that stuff. Yeah.
And so there's power in numbers.

Speaker 2 So if all these, what, if all these people come into the same room with the same, you know, idea, the same, they all agree in the same thing, and they all go, Hey, we have an idea.

Speaker 2 Hey, we know how, you know, we all hate this

Speaker 2 bitch. All right, cool.
Let's just go mass report this person. And so they get together, and there's power numbers.
So, of course, it works like a charm. Yeah.
I mean, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 It is. It's like, dude, you guys are.
And also, it's like the people spending so much time

Speaker 2 just commenting on other people's lives. And I feel like, like, I talked to you recently when we're watching like a Netflix documentary.
All, or even the Gypsy Rose show,

Speaker 2 stop putting clips of content creators on TV. Right, you're talking that.
You are, bro.

Speaker 2 Dude,

Speaker 2 I do not want to see that part was kind of fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 And I've seen it on other documentaries that we watched. It'll be like, they'll pull up like, oh, you know, all these people.
They'll pull up the TikTok.

Speaker 2 A video, a video on TikTok of this weird random Melissa,

Speaker 2 reality news, TV, whatever the hell it is. Whoever it is, yeah.
Yeah, commenting on it. It's like, you're literally giving this,

Speaker 2 you're adding fuel to the fire.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'm sorry, Gypsy Rose, Rose, if you hear me, you ever sign up with Lifetime again? I'd be like, don't you ever fucking give these people platforms ever to talk about me or I'm not filming.

Speaker 2 I agree. Because that is disgusting.

Speaker 1 And then you know she's watching her show because she's all excited about it, but then you have all these haters talking shit about her.

Speaker 2 Well, how dare you, Lifetime? Talk about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and why don't you just let her talk about what's going on in her life? Because that's what us viewers would like, anyways. I don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 Why do you say that? Because her first season compared, like the second season, was filmed differently and it wasn't as enjoyable for me as a viewer.

Speaker 1 I loved the first season because it was just raw and authentic and her coming out of prison and talking about all the things. And you're right.

Speaker 1 The second season was, I mean, they did a little bit of the TikTok stuff in the first season, like when she was getting out of prison and stuff. But you're right.

Speaker 1 The second season, it was a lot of the haters. And so, yeah, I'm sorry, but gypsy rose, I'd be like, you know what?

Speaker 2 F off lifetime unless you're going to give them a platform to talk shit about me more than they already do.

Speaker 2 Well, then it's like, and then I think what happens too is like, okay, what is the purpose for lifetime airing those content creators hating on Gypsy Rose?

Speaker 2 And it's because now they're going to air this, this, this, you know, TikTok content creator videos of hating on her, and then they're going to jump into a scene with her.

Speaker 2 So you're actually producing this in a way of like, this is the storyline, the hate that she's getting. Yeah, that's sad.
Forcing her to talk.

Speaker 2 to these people in her family about this situation when she never would have even probably known about that or not.

Speaker 1 And you want to see toxic. I mean, you look at like, you just searched Gypsy Rose on TikTok.

Speaker 2 I don't know how she fucking does it.

Speaker 1 It's really sad.

Speaker 2 people attack her and bully her and it's crazy and my whole thing is that like people can have opinions right but i and that's fine they cannot like somebody right but it goes back to the point of like what gives why do you comment on right like talk like talk to your friends in a group not online where it's permanent they probably don't have friends it's true you know but like i don't know i just think it's wrong i think lifetime is just failing epically by just like putting it out there like that.

Speaker 2 Like, why, why would you do that? Like, could you, if I'm thinking that, I'd be like, I'm out.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be cheating on that side.

Speaker 2 I'm going to be here talking with me, my family, and in a living room scene, or whatever they, whatever, we're at our house doing something, knowing that this is our life, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 And then you're going to put that right after you air some content creator horribly talking shit about me and my kids or whatever the case, like, dudes, F, fuck you, bro.

Speaker 1 Yeah, your feet, like you said, you're putting fuel to the fire.

Speaker 2 It's wrong. Because

Speaker 1 then that content creator is going to be like, oh my God, I made it.

Speaker 2 Look at it. Keep talking about these people because we're getting there.

Speaker 2 And And it's like, and it's like, inner reality, it's like, how dare you? Because, you know, Gypsy Rose is making you money. She's bringing viewers to you as lifetime or whatever the case is.

Speaker 2 Like, so, Gypsy Rose, if you're listening, you hear this, girl, get it in your contract, get a good lawyer, and make sure that you will not use that shit online or on the show. It's not right.

Speaker 2 It ain't right. It ain't all right.

Speaker 1 Because it's stupid. She could talk about the bullying and the harassment that she's getting.

Speaker 1 And it would be more real and raw that way instead of giving them free access to fucking television. It is.

Speaker 2 And also, there's no, I think with, with, like, there's no regulation with misinformation on TikTok.

Speaker 2 Like, there's no, there's no little comment saying, this video has been flagged because it's not true. Or, you know what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 2 so people can just say whatever the hell they want. Yeah.
With no. And people go, yeah, I saw it on TikTok.
It's like, dude, that doesn't mean it's true, bro. Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, you got to search that shit. There's been plenty of times where if I see some on TikTok, I'll go and Google it.

Speaker 1 And most of the time, it's legit for sure, you know, but I make sure to Google it for myself to make sure that it's like, is this real or is this not real?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just think it's weird. We're in it.
We're in a day and age in

Speaker 2 social media specifically where it's like, I think the culture itself is so

Speaker 2 like we,

Speaker 2 everyone thinks that their opinion is just necessary. And it's like, guys, we all know at this age that maturity is having an opinion, but recognizing when it's necessary to voice it out loud or not.

Speaker 2 That's maturity. That's emotional regulation.

Speaker 2 That's just, you know, being a decent human being. You know what I mean? So it's like, dude, you are all so,

Speaker 2 you think your voice is so vital. You think your opinion is so, you know, necessary for the world to keep spinning that you have to go and make a whole three-minute video about it.
It's not.

Speaker 1 No, or even commenting on something.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's sad, actually, when you think about it. It could be used.
We could be using it for such different things.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because I mean, I've seen some great things on TikTok.

Speaker 1 Like the one guy that goes around and helps, you know, people that he sees and gives them money, and then people will love that video, and then he'll create like a GoFundMe.

Speaker 1 He's bought people like houses and cars and shit, you know, like it could be used for good for sure.

Speaker 2 I don't know what's, I don't know, it's a culture problem.

Speaker 2 It's in the fibers of the, of the, of this generation specifically, too, like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and with you and I, like, you know, being on TV for as long as we've been on TV and we've kind of

Speaker 1 grown up with social media and all the things. I mean, we started out with MySpace back in the day and just kind of grown with everything, you know, after that.

Speaker 1 I know for a fact, just seeing how social media works and like how you're talking about how just the negativity and how the bullying can happen.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not letting our kids have social media probably until they're like fucking 16, 17 years old. I don't even know yet.

Speaker 2 I know we talk about it.

Speaker 2 At some 90% of them, oh, 15. Then I'm like, oh, no, 16.
I'm like, oh, well, by that point, 17, you might as well just wait. I don't even want you to have it at all.
Move out of my house if you want.

Speaker 2 Right, Right.

Speaker 1 Which I'm sure as they get older, you know, Nova's 10, I'm sure there's going to be fights and conversations about that. But it's just not healthy.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you look, if you, people look, if, look at the studies of what it's doing to younger generations and their brains and their, you know, um,

Speaker 1 their, uh, what's the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 1 The way they feel about themselves.

Speaker 2 Oh, self-esteem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, self-esteem and stuff. It's not.

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 1 It's scary.

Speaker 2 And I, and I, listen, I, I see comp, I know why.

Speaker 2 I could not imagine. I'm 33.
and some of the stuff I read, I'm like, ooh, God. Right.
I think we've grown a thick situation. We have, of course.
So people who are just normal people. Just young.

Speaker 1 And just young.

Speaker 2 I can imagine reading some of that stuff. Think about it.
When we were 12, 13, 14.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.

Speaker 2 Holy shit. Oh, yeah.
What would that would have done to my development?

Speaker 2 What would that have done to my self-identity?

Speaker 2 What would that have done to my

Speaker 2 outlook on the world and people in general? Or just yourself. Dude, like it really, people got to remember that this is permanent.

Speaker 2 Like what you're saying is permanent and it has got real potential to hurt people.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, it just made me think of what you just said made me think of.

Speaker 1 So me and my friend Amber were having a conversation

Speaker 1 in my car. We were driving back from your mom's house.
And I told her, I was like, I've never like broken a bone. I've never busted my head open, like nothing like that.

Speaker 1 Cause it was after Nova busted her head open, which did happen. And she had to get a couple staples, but she's fine.

Speaker 1 And Amber said, you know, she said, there's this quote, I guess, out there that says, in life,

Speaker 1 people

Speaker 1 that don't get have broken bones or like physical stuff happen to them, it's because you're being spared from that because you're going to have a lot of emotional, highly emotional things happen to you in your life.

Speaker 1 So they spare you the other stuff.

Speaker 2 The physical pain? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And people who don't have to deal with like highly emotional pain stuff in their lives are the ones that end up with like broken bones and stuff like that because of the physical stuff.

Speaker 1 And I looked right at her and I said, I'd rather take the physical any day.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm fucking fucked. I've had

Speaker 2 broken back, two wrists,

Speaker 2 fingers. But I looked at her.

Speaker 1 I was like, I was like, well, I would probably, I would rather take the physical shit because at least that stuff heals faster.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know, and it's more, it's more tangible to heal.
Emotional damage is hard to heal. You don't,

Speaker 2 it just takes, it could take years. It could take, you know, you could do years of therapy and it still doesn't heal.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 So it's and then it made me think of too, and I was like, huh, I'm like, you know, well, if my kids, because Nova busts are head open, I'm like, well, you know, if it's physical stuff, maybe our kids won't have to suffer through a lot of emotional shit because we've done a lot of work, you know.

Speaker 1 But with the way she said that, I was like, that's kind of crazy to think about. Like, is that why? You know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Think of our buddy Jordan Jillson.

Speaker 2 Oh, poor. Yeah.
How many tooth get by a car, concussion, like broken, just like, dude. Yeah, true.
Oh, yeah. And he's had a lot of a fucking

Speaker 2 emotional shit, too. My buddy, he's my best friend, man.
I love that guy. But yeah, he's had it rough.
And I don't know. That is an interesting quote.

Speaker 2 But one thing I want to go back to is that when you said about our kids having social media, I think an important reason is intentions.

Speaker 2 Why do you want it? You have your friend's phone number.

Speaker 2 I just want to really keep asking. And until their answer is like,

Speaker 2 until their answer is palatable, you know, like makes sense to me, then I'll think about it. But I would just want to, is it because just because your friends have it?

Speaker 2 Is it because you want a way to communicate?

Speaker 2 There's other ways you can. Yeah, I mean, is it because you want to, you want an artistic way to express yourself?

Speaker 2 Is it because you want to have a diary or a journal of some sort or your feelings and emotions or whatever? I want to get down to the intentions of why you want it and then stick with that intention.

Speaker 2 You can find it different always. Yeah, and then put parameters around that.
Yeah. Kind of like that.
Put parameters based off of your intentions of what you said. Yeah.
You know, why you wanted it.

Speaker 1 I think that's smart. And I think that we open, we're, we have very, you know, open conversations with our kids.

Speaker 1 So I think our kids would understand, too, why we feel like it is unsafe or not healthy to have or, you know, whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2 Um, and just tell them the danger. Say, listen, this woman killed herself.
Do you understand? She had a lot of followers all her whole life going for her, and it still wasn't enough. Yeah, sad.

Speaker 2 This stuff. affected her so bad.
And now look at her face. Yeah, she ended her life and affected a whole family.
Her husband's message hit me hard.

Speaker 2 It it was like dude and then i kept yeah did you see his video oh dude no i i watched it it was it's horrible devastating and it in the i all i kept thinking about watching it was this is so unnecessary this is so un this is not this should not even be a real thing right now and then i kept thinking about like all the drama that happened with us online and how there was like uh someone sent me a screenshot of all these different like uh forum pages that kept getting banned it was one was like fuck the volta's and i don't know what all this this other shit.

Speaker 2 But they were getting banned. And then they made a new one.
And then that one got banned. That one got banned.
I just kept thinking in my head, like, dude, like, this is people.

Speaker 2 Why are you spending this energy? People are killing themselves. They are, you're affecting real people.
What is your goal? Yeah. Is your goal?

Speaker 2 Is you think your negative opinion about hating this person is so necessary that you're willing to risk someone's life so your opinion, hatred, judgment, whatever, gets out there publicly.

Speaker 1 Because you don't know what they're struggling with behind closed doors. And if they're not mentally stable or well, you know, and then you have people who are committing suicide.
I mean, there's like

Speaker 1 young kids out there.

Speaker 1 I saw a video the other day, and it was like forever 12. He was 12 years old, and he committed suicide because of bullying.

Speaker 1 You have Abby, which I mean, if you guys are on TikTok, everybody knows about her. And she was just a young, beautiful girl, like got bullied by some girls in her town.

Speaker 1 And her mom walked in the room and she was hanging in her bedroom. Like she killed herself because of bullies and online bullying and stuff and it's it's sick.
It's gross. It's sad.

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Speaker 1 And then also,

Speaker 1 obviously, there's a disservice going on because why are these people and these young adults feeling like they can't go to their parents and talk to them about what's going on or go to the school council or anybody just to talk?

Speaker 2 I think what it comes down to, though, is that, like, like I said, when we were younger, you left school. You can get away from it.

Speaker 2 They can go to therapy, but they're still going to go home to their bedroom at 8:30 at night when it's nighttime and pick up their phone.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 It's just like it is, it's an infection, it's a cancer, it is destroying lives.

Speaker 1 And why are people so why do you, I wonder what it's doing to these young people's minds and even older people too. But why are you taking what these people say about you negatively so intensely?

Speaker 1 I wonder.

Speaker 2 I think it's different. One person says something like, oh, whatever, fine, it's your opinion.

Speaker 2 When you have a comment that says, you're a fat piece of shit and it's the number one liked comment, 23,000 likes on that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but people don't even get that many, I mean. Like, even like younger, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I'm just saying, though, I don't care what's

Speaker 2 five likes versus the one like, one likes, one like, but this one comment's got the most likes out of all of them.

Speaker 2 That's a collective, you're, you're sitting there looking at the masses of like, wow, everyone really thinks most people,

Speaker 2 average, most people think this way about me. Yeah.
Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 That's hard to, to, to, no, and it's sad, but that's what I'm saying. Like, there has to be

Speaker 1 something like, why aren't people feeling safe enough to talk to people or talk to somebody?

Speaker 2 I think one thing about it, too, is that, like, are they, is society afraid to cut it off? Like, if it's so damaging, cut it off. Right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But is it because whatever happened to, remember when they were talking about for Instagram and stuff, they were like, oh, we're not going to show the likes anymore or the number of legs. Yes.

Speaker 1 Because it does. Hey, did you see that though?

Speaker 2 I see some, some I don't see likes, right? Some profiles I don't see. Some you do.
So what's that? Is that a personal setting you put on your thing?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'm not really sure.

Speaker 1 But for instance, like, yeah, things like that, where, like you're saying, if it's hurting people or a younger generation, like fucking cut it off.

Speaker 2 Or you have to take a picture of your fucking idea.

Speaker 1 You got to be 21 to have fucking.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing. Here's the thing, though, that if you, you know, cut it off, it's like, it's like an addiction.
It's like, it's like, oh, crackhead. Well, stop, stop stop doing heroin.
Just stop it.

Speaker 2 You can't stop it.

Speaker 2 Something going on.

Speaker 2 And the studies that I've done with the dopamine levels that are getting hit from online social media stuff, and it's insane.

Speaker 2 It's a sickness. It's like, how do you

Speaker 2 say, oh, well, if social media is so bad for you, just get off of it. And it's like, you're right.
Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Cool.
I'll do that. Why aren't we doing that? Well, because you can't.

Speaker 2 Can.

Speaker 2 But can we? Can the heroin act just stop doing heroin?

Speaker 1 Well, I didn't have social media for two years.

Speaker 2 No, but I'm just saying, though, it's gotten to a point where it's like we are ignoring the fact that this is a brain-affecting thing. It is an addiction that it has no symptoms, no outward symptoms.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So it's like, I think looking at it like, wow, this is an addiction. I think even the people who do snark pages and run these TikTok accounts talking, building their whole platform talking about.

Speaker 2 Oh, they're fucking addicted. They are.
They're addicted to the negativity.

Speaker 2 they're addicted to the subject matter, they're addicted to just their little community that they make, yeah, yeah, they're addicted to it.

Speaker 2 And I think we need to stop looking at it like, oh, well, they're just a mean person.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, we all have a problem here, like, right, we're all addicted to this thing, like this, this device is killing people, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is, and it's it's a silent killer, I feel like, because these kids who are committing suicide, the parents go, I had no, you know what I mean? They have no idea. That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 It's like, why? And that's where my mind goes too, is like

Speaker 1 there's a disservice somewhere.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we all know the stigma around mental health still exists that definitely needs to be another episode though because i can talk on and on and on about that no but i think that's one thing that social media has done i think for our generation a positive thing about it is that we have it has gotten depression anxieties of out there to talk about and well right but i'm just saying for people that feel like they're they're not talking about it or you know how you said like parents will say like i never knew anything was going on um obviously the stigma is still there because why aren't they feeling like they can talk to their parents or talk to a therapist or i think it's because or just a safe person i think it's because it comes down to especially for kids who are younger than us like going to your parents

Speaker 2 their parents are

Speaker 2 you're they'd have no idea what it's like to be raised in this kind of culture true you know what i mean like our parents have no idea what it's like

Speaker 2 yeah you know what i mean if they have a child right now who's like 16 they're gonna be even older than we are that's what i'm saying so they're like all right all well you'll just ignore it kid it'll be all right it's like no no you're not understanding the psychology though behind this.

Speaker 2 Well, right.

Speaker 1 And you have a very mature brain. These are still like brains that are learning, you know.

Speaker 2 That's why I feel like as far as social media goes for our kids, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 And I guess I'll keep, I'm just going to keep kind of doing some moral inventory inside until I feel like, you know what? All right. Let's see how it goes.

Speaker 1 Well, and especially for our kids, because, I mean,

Speaker 2 we have to be private and all that. I guess if you have to call it out, I say, listen, ever since, you know how we finally agree to it.

Speaker 2 Say Noah was 16, 17, we finally agreed to let her have something, cut something on social media.

Speaker 2 and then you know four months later we notice something we have to call it out as parents say hey listen i've noticed you've been more angry you're not getting enough sleep you're bitter right you know and just kind of like make them aware like you know this is affecting you you know that you have a choice right you can deactivate this account right you can go back to your life four months ago before you had this

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 you know what i mean we can we can erase this from your existence yeah no i feel like people kids nowadays feel like they have to have it if you don't have snapchat who we live under rock you know you don't have have Instagram, you're a loser.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, right now we're just in the Roblox stage. And I'm like, I ain't fucking Roblox.
You play Minecraft, but you play fucking Roblox.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's just, it's, it's, um, I honestly, I feel so fucking bad for these kids. I feel bad for this generation being raised up.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't, I wouldn't take back my, us being raised in the time that we had.

Speaker 1 I feel like we were like one of the last sliver great generations, you know?

Speaker 2 We couldn't just, we didn't have computers in our pockets.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 We had computers in the living living room. We had to go log on, right? And then we had to log off.
Yeah, you know what I mean? We had to get off of it. There is no escape with these kids nowadays.

Speaker 2 It's in their right there. And imagine, like, you know, imagine you go to sleep one day as a 14-year-old and then you wake up and all of a sudden you're like, whoa, 150 likes on what?

Speaker 2 And it's just like a something negative, something bad. Right.
And that's what's gone viral about you. It's going to destroy you.
Yeah. Like, that sucks.
That's really sad.

Speaker 2 And that's why I want to tell everyone just like just stop. Like, dude, social media can be used for such an awesome stuff and such good things.
Why are we doing this?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah. And I think it just goes back to the point of

Speaker 1 what my mama used to always say to me and her mama and the mama before that was if you ain't got nothing nice to fucking say don't fucking say it at all like you know

Speaker 2 if i have something mean it stays in my head and you know why i think it's it's okay to acknowledge that it's even hard for adults it's even hard for mature brains to be like that person's that's they're

Speaker 2 yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's it's even you know what I mean, but like I but I don't say it or comment on it,

Speaker 2 I don't comment on it, I just don't get

Speaker 2 the purpose for it.

Speaker 1 Me neither, but yeah, I think it goes back to them being miserable or like you said, creating that little community of people that just like feed, ew, what a way to live!

Speaker 2 I know, that's what I think, you know, like listen, you know what they like, the whole goal is to surround yourself with people who disagree with you, who are smarter than you, and who know more because that

Speaker 2 environment is for growth. That will give you growth.
Surrounding yourself with people who always agree with you, who are not smarter than you or on the same level as you,

Speaker 2 where's any growth? Yeah, there isn't. All you're going to have is confirmation bias going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
Right.

Speaker 2 And cognitive dissonance, back and forth, back.

Speaker 2 Where's growth in that? Actually, that's stagnant. There is no growth there.
No, there isn't. Hold on.
We have a child interrupting. What? Hey, we're working.
Oh, it's Veda, I think.

Speaker 2 What's she saying? I don't know. I don't know what Veda's saying.
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Speaker 1 Is it time for school yet?

Speaker 2 Right?

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Speaker 2 It's always Veda. It's funny because Veda comes in here with her sleeping mask.
It's so funny. So Veda's like...

Speaker 2 Veda has to be sleeping with a sleeping mask, like this rain, trickle, white noise mixed with rain, water, whatever. She has to have essential oils going like in a mist.

Speaker 2 She has to have purple lights on for her to sleep. So every morning I'll wake her up.

Speaker 2 It's like waking up like a regal old Hollywood like a star or something where it's like the sleeping mask, the all the misting essential oils in the air and rain water tranquil music playing.

Speaker 2 It's hilarious, dude. Like, it's funny.

Speaker 1 Oh, Veda.

Speaker 2 I was talking about how vada has to have her her sleeping eye oh my gosh dude her essential oils misting in the air the purple lights the trickling rain water hitting your metal rooftop like it's insane what she has to have to in order to like that's why i think she's on the spectrum a little bit because she's so has so routine

Speaker 1 yeah like the one night i didn't put her face mask on like behind her ears and stuff and she came out of the room she's like mom You didn't tuck me in. I said, I don't ever tuck you in.

Speaker 1 She's like, yeah, you know, you put the eye mask on my head. Yeah.
And I'm like, because to say I don't tuck him in is a lie.

Speaker 2 Like, it's a lie.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm in there. I lay him down, put him blank.

Speaker 2 You're going to be actually tucking like tuck-top tucks. Right, like tuck-tuck-tuck-tock.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't ever tuck you in like a burrito. You know, I always kiss you and put your eye mask on you or whatever.
And that's what she meant.

Speaker 1 And so when I just went in there right now to lay her back down and she's like, can you leave your door open? Oh, here comes Luna.

Speaker 1 My cat just opens the door. Veda was like, can you, while you're working, can you leave the door open a little bit just in case if I need you? And I'm like, sure, Veda, I will.

Speaker 1 You know, I'll leave it open for you. But yeah, she's very particular.

Speaker 2 Very. She's very particular.

Speaker 2 We're in for a wild riot with that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we are.

Speaker 2 But I love her. I know.

Speaker 1 She's just spunky and she's particular.

Speaker 2 She's fiery.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she is.

Speaker 1 But to go back to what we were talking about before we get interrupted by children, which I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 Welcome. Listen, all the parents listening to you know how it is.
You know how it is. Imagine trying to record.
Yeah, go ahead. I want you to all that do it.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 All you parents, go ahead and record. Go ahead and record a podcast at your house with your kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, especially I'm like, no, do it at bedtime, you know. But Vada does have these moments where she'll sometimes come out of her room like a good five, six times.

Speaker 1 And then other nights, she's down for the count. So it just depends.

Speaker 2 Some nights she doesn't say anything at all. We'll go through a nice streak where she never gets out of bed and all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 I know. And when she does that, I try to tell her, I'm like, you did so good.
You're such a big girl, you know?

Speaker 2 And and I'm like, I know you don't need anything because you got water, you got a snack.

Speaker 2 I saw a meeting the other day. It was like, nobody is as dehydrated as a toddler at bedtime.
Yeah. I was like, they are like, no one severely is dehydrated.

Speaker 1 And having a bladder running like a faucet, you know, like, come on now.

Speaker 1 But no, I think going back to what you were saying about, you know, the bullies online and how they get into like this community of people that all agree with them and they all just like bully together.

Speaker 1 I'm like, you got something, you're not happy

Speaker 1 with your life and you're miserable in one or more aspects of your life.

Speaker 1 If anything, I think y'all need to seek some therapy and figure out what's going on in your own lives because you're hating on other people's lives all the time, all day, every day.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, you guys need to like go to therapy and work on yourselves. And I can tell you what,

Speaker 1 there's actually very good apps out there nowadays for this,

Speaker 1 like BetterHelp. I think you need to look into that and maybe get yourself a therapist.

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Speaker 2 Like, if you're going to spend so much time on your phone, yeah, hating on other people that you don't know, message your therapist, message your therapist straight up. ButterHelp's great.

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Speaker 2 And you'd clearly like to be anonymous or whatever, you like to have some kind of filter between you and reality, right? Or else you wouldn't be online talking about other people's lives.

Speaker 2 Pick your own therapist, you might even find one that agrees with you.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Just kidding. No, you won't.
What do you want to talk about this week? Right. How much I hate Caitlin and Tyler.

Speaker 1 that therapist would be like, honey, I think we need to talk about your own life. What's going on at home?

Speaker 2 Well, it's great, but I hate that. Right.
Like, I don't get it.

Speaker 1 First, people hate on anybody for that matter. But again, I think,

Speaker 1 you know, if anybody is listening, and, you know, I just want to put it out there again, anybody that's listening to this week's episode.

Speaker 1 And if you're being bullied online, not online, wherever it is, please reach out to somebody.

Speaker 1 The world needs you and will be less brighter without you in it.

Speaker 1 And whether it's a safe person that you feel like you can talk to or a police officer, a firefighter, like anybody, just reach out to somebody because suicide's not the answer.

Speaker 1 And I know sometimes, especially I've been there, I know sometimes it feels like it's the answer and it feels like it's the only way out, but I promise it's not.

Speaker 1 And again, don't forget about the suicide hotline. You can call 988 or you can text 988.
And I think even texting just to get stuff off your chest and out of your mind is so helpful.

Speaker 1 But I don't think people realize how many people are just sitting in there in the silence and having these crazy thoughts of what they want to do to themselves.

Speaker 1 So please, if anybody is listening, please, please, please reach out to help. Reach out for help.
I mean, you could even message us, message me. Like

Speaker 1 it's just so important. And there needs to be more outlets, I think, for people to feel like they can talk about whatever is going on.

Speaker 1 But it's just scary and it's sad. And

Speaker 2 a lot of times, people just need someone to listen to,

Speaker 2 they just want to be heard, you know, sit in silence with them.

Speaker 1 Like, the thing is, is like, I've heard people say, like, you know, I just want you to just sit in the muck with me.

Speaker 1 Don't have to fix it. You don't have to get me out of it, but just sit in it.

Speaker 2 I don't even want advice. I just want me to say, I'm so fucking pissed this happened right now.
I feel like shit. And someone goes, Yeah, I hear you.
That's shitty. Yeah.
You know, that is shitty.

Speaker 2 You don't deserve that. That's not fair.
Right.

Speaker 1 Or sometimes, just it's sometimes for some people too, it just feels good for them to unload it all onto somebody and not even, like you said, not even have a conversation about it, just for somebody to listen and be there.

Speaker 2 And also, I think give yourself some, give yourself some limits. Like if you find yourself, I guess doing some inventory, all right, I was really happy.
I got online, spent an hour of scrolling.

Speaker 2 Now I'm not so happy.

Speaker 2 Lock that in. Like that, okay, woo, cause an effect, cause and effect.
Right. Limit that shit.

Speaker 2 Put some time limits on it.

Speaker 1 Being self-aware, I think, is huge.

Speaker 2 I think it's hard. It's hard.
And especially for this generation, I noticed when you're spending so much time in external worlds, other people's lives,

Speaker 2 it's like hard to look at your own because you're constantly just,

Speaker 2 it's like we're not giving ourselves enough time to sit with ourselves. I actually just watched a video where she said

Speaker 2 she moved from the U.S. to Finland because she got married to a

Speaker 2 guy who was there.

Speaker 1 She lives there. Okay.

Speaker 2 and she's like one thing that's really crazy is that I moved to Finland and she's like in in in Finland she's like you if people walk past you and you look at them and smile yeah or you you know look at a stranger and you know you lock eyes walking through a door you smile and nod or wave so in Finland they'll look at you like you're weird Really?

Speaker 2 And she's like, one, and she's like, I know that sounds bad. She's like, oh, well, I know, right? And she's like, but she explains it in a way of, she's like, listen, though, we are so

Speaker 2 we are so used to American culture. We're so used to like putting on this facade, putting on this, I have to, you know, do small talk.
She's like, in Finland, there's no small talk.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. She's like, why?

Speaker 2 We don't talk about the weather or what's going on. Because, you know why? Because we're so secure.
We can sit in silence.

Speaker 2 It's not uncomfortable for us. Okay.
It's not weird for us. We don't, if I don't know you, I don't know you.

Speaker 2 You don't have to smile at me because you feel culturally or Western culture needs to, you know. Oh, it's still fucking weird, though.

Speaker 2 i well she explained a lot better than i am right now trust me but like when i first heard i was like dang girl you sound sounds like kind of harsh she's like no no no it's actually great because it showed me that like wow that's one thing americans really aren't good at we're not good at sitting in silence we are not good at just like acknowledging the fact that i don't have to be someone outside of myself to so that way i fit in if i look at someone and they smile at me i feel like oh hi how you doing even though inside i'm not having a good day yeah you know what i mean like but i have to smile because i mean I have to make small talk because it's like, there is no small talk here.

Speaker 2 She's like, We don't need it.

Speaker 1 I'm like, wow,

Speaker 1 interesting. I know, isn't it?

Speaker 2 It's very interesting.

Speaker 1 It's like, but us Americans are, yeah, we are very like huggy, put our best, best face on social media.

Speaker 2 No, right?

Speaker 1 So, she was hugging, you know, somebody's cheating on you or beanie at home, or you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 She's like, you know, America, like, especially as and she was raised in the South. And she's like, it was huge in the south.

Speaker 2 She's like, you don't ever lock eyes and not smile or wave or say how the weather's doing, and oh, yeah,

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 So, like, she's like, you know,

Speaker 2 it's an American thing where we,

Speaker 2 yeah, you know, we're almost living in a thinking where our lives are a constant highlight reel on Instagram. We got to like, show the vacation, show us smiling.
That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 Never in the heart.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
People want to be.

Speaker 2 In Finland, no one cares about strangers

Speaker 2 as much as, you know.

Speaker 1 With the way our country is and the shit that's going on, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I saw some.

Speaker 1 I'm about to, we should move to fucking Switzerland.

Speaker 1 That place is fucking gorgeous. And I doubt Canada will take us, but I'm ready to get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2 No, Finland's actually the happiest country. I think it's for the like 30%.

Speaker 1 So where's Switzerland at?

Speaker 2 I don't think it was around. I don't really know.
I don't know either. I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's just cold there.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck it. It gets cold here.

Speaker 2 Yeah, true. But it's fucking gorgeous.

Speaker 1 It is. And they look happy happy as shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, they have, you know, universal health care.
And they have, they,

Speaker 2 oh, kids don't go hungry. Right.
We're not sending them to concentration camps. Seriously, it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 You know, whatever. We're not.
They can even try to fucking disguise you. I know.
Please. It's fucking sick.

Speaker 2 It's fucking sick. No, that's a whole nother fucking episode, too.

Speaker 1 It's all about the country.

Speaker 2 FDT.

Speaker 2 No, it's funny, though, because I literally just saw a thing the other day where it's like, all we're

Speaker 2 record funding for ICE, but we're taking health care away from people. Oh, I know.
Elderly people. There's going to be nursing homes closing.
Oh, I know.

Speaker 2 But there's going to be more camps to send these evil, horrible

Speaker 2 immigrants. The way that they're trying to play it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 I can't even deal with it.

Speaker 1 I think, yeah, we're just

Speaker 1 going to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 And also, that actually goes hand in hand with what you're talking about, though, because it's giving culture so important. And we need the nice people need to be louder.
Is everyone listening to me?

Speaker 2 If you see a collective

Speaker 2 or comedy section,

Speaker 2 please be loud. Get loud and say you are wrong.
You are cruel. And then put something positive about the person.
Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 Like, just, just, please show empathy, show sympathy, and be, you know, do it by example.

Speaker 2 Like, be louder because I think what's happening is, like, for instance, with this whole, even the political climate, it's giving permission to be cruel.

Speaker 2 It never used to be this cool to be this cruel. Yeah, it's so cool.
You know what I'm saying? I don't understand. It's never been a cool thing to be this mean.

Speaker 1 And it's still not fucking cool to be me.

Speaker 2 It's not cool. It's like, but I feel like certain climate is,

Speaker 2 it gives people permission. Like, oh, I couldn't have said that last year.
Oh, I can say it now. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's weird too

Speaker 1 is if you notice, like, a lot, like even just like negative comments that we get or like messages that we get that are negative, nine out of 10 times, at least, I would say out of 10 people, 10 negative comments, I would have to say at least six out of the 10 every single time.

Speaker 1 You go to their profile and they have some fucking Bible verse or a fucking cross or praise Jesus in their fucking profile. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 you are a hypocrite,

Speaker 1 religious person, and your ass is going to be standing in the fire.

Speaker 2 And listen, I'm not a very religious person, but I love reading about it and studying about it and learning about it.

Speaker 2 And I'm telling everyone right now, Jesus was an immigrant. Yeah.
He hung out with thieves.

Speaker 2 He went into, he came here to literally flip the tables of oppression that was happening by religious leaders.

Speaker 2 He went in there and showed the hypocrisy of religious leaders and what they were doing, and how they were harming, how they were using people, they were weaponizing religion to harm people.

Speaker 2 And he actually came here to

Speaker 2 totally flip the script on all that. And all you people are doing, I'm telling you right now, if Jesus came down here, you would deport him.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 All you people who believe it, you would deport him. Yeah.
You would say he's too woke. You would say you would not feed him.
You would not clothe him. You would say.

Speaker 1 And you probably deport his fucking kids if you had him, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's fucking good. You really would.
So please just, you know, yeah, I don't know. I won't get into it too much.
Live godlike. What?

Speaker 1 Live godlike.

Speaker 2 Okay, whatever God you want to believe in. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 But no, I just noticed that. I was like, wow, a lot of the times they usually have like a, you know,

Speaker 1 there's some sort of religious person. And I'm like, wow, that was not very.

Speaker 2 I'm going to say it out there for all you people. You are, you're making it look really bad.
You're making it look like, no, I do not want to be a Christian today.

Speaker 2 Because you saying these things, how cruel you are, and then go to your profile and it's got Isaiah 3, 4, whatever the hell your little thing is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen it a lot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm like, bro, you are not representing your faith good at all.

Speaker 2 If your job is a recruit, you are horrible at it.

Speaker 1 Literally. Our kids will not be having social media.
I don't care. We'll be going to be duking it out in the backyard because it's just not, it's just, it's not healthy at all.

Speaker 2 Just be nice. Come on.

Speaker 2 If you can spend, you know, 10 minutes writing this horrible paragraph about how you hate this person, I know you can spend five minutes writing a two-sentence thing about this person.

Speaker 2 That, hey, you know what? Your hair looks really good. Whatever it is, you can be nice.
Or guess what? Just scroll.

Speaker 1 That's what I mean. Or just don't comment at all if you want to be a mean, evil person, you know?

Speaker 2 And if you're, if you feel like it's necessary to comment or something, like I said again go find a therapist yeah or you know also broaden your horizons bro like like like like challenge yourself a little bit

Speaker 2 try to find someone that doesn't agree with you talk to them like like civilly like just try to broaden your horizons don't get so caught up in some people are it's too that's too scary for them some people let me tell you they're what a little bitch

Speaker 2 you know i love talking to people who don't agree with me i love it

Speaker 1 i'd rather god i'd rather be surrounded by people who don't agree i think it can be very good to have conversations with opposing views because both of the people, you walk out learning something and maybe, you know, agreeing to disagree or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 2 I see what you're saying. And there's a way to talk to people and still be nice.

Speaker 2 That you can say, like, even

Speaker 2 talk to my mom about certain stuff politically or to say, it's like, I can. Yeah, you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but you don't talk about it.

Speaker 2 And I don't need to be cruel to get my point across. I'm telling you, the moment you start throwing insults, you lost.
Oh, for sure. You lost the battle already.
You lost. Yeah, you're heated.

Speaker 2 You are emotionally, you're done.

Speaker 2 You just, the cannonball came, smashed. You're over.
The war is over.

Speaker 1 You lost. 100%.

Speaker 1 So, just to wrap this up a little bit, I think what I would have any of our listeners do this week

Speaker 1 going forward, maybe just even if it's once this week or something, say something positive to another human being, whether it's online or in person.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 again, you know, if you are somebody that's struggling, please reach out for help,

Speaker 1 you know, through the suicide hotline or to somebody that you know. But I would love for all of you guys just to say something positive to somebody.
You know what?

Speaker 2 We should do a thing where it's like, have a goal to say 10 positive things to somebody online today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 10 separate people, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 I don't care what it is, just 10 things. I want you to write 10 comments.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah, let's spread kindness like fucking

Speaker 2 God. We need it.

Speaker 1 So for all my listeners, if you could do that, shoot. Even send me some screenshots or something.
You know, I would love to see it. Like, let's spread kindness like confetti.

Speaker 1 And if you're struggling, please reach out to somebody. And I love you guys, our supporters and people that just are always rooting for us.
We're rooting for you guys too.

Speaker 1 And thank you so much for just listening and joining us on this awesome journey. And we love you guys.
So we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 2 Next week on Kate and Ty, break it down. Break it down.
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