Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 1

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In this electrifying on-the-road episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe connects with Terence "Bud" Crawford at the UFC Apex in Las Vegas for an in-depth conversation that explores the mindset and techniques behind one of the greatest boxers of all time. The undefeated WBA Super Welterweight Champion lets Shannon in on his unmatched boxing technique, footwork, and mentality in a hands-on, unforgettable tutorial.

Crawford opens up about what has driven his meteoric rise, crediting two things: his unwavering belief in himself and his desire to prove the doubters wrong. Despite being the only male fighter to become a two-division undisputed champion in the four-belt era, he still feels underestimated, which only fuels his relentless drive. He reveals that he’s not scared of losing power in a potential fight against Canelo, acknowledging the legend’s skill but stressing the thrill of challenging himself in the ring.

Growing up in Omaha, Nebraska, Crawford reflects on his roots and the impact it had on shaping him into the man he is today. He shares stories about his childhood in North Omaha, where he was raised by his mother and surrounded by family. Crawford notes the influence of figures like Malcolm X, Warren Buffett, and even the challenges of living in a city with both good and bad areas, which made Omaha a special place to raise his own family.

He talks about the unique challenges he faced growing up without a strong male figure in his life, with his father’s absence due to his Navy career. Despite being disciplined by his mother, Crawford credits his family and upbringing for his grounded mindset. In addition to discussing his upbringing, he shares poignant moments with figures like Warren Buffett, whose humble demeanor left a lasting impact on him.

As Crawford traces his journey from a young athlete to boxing champion, he recalls early struggles with his temper, which held him back in his early career. He reveals how the birth of his child and spiritual guidance from his uncle helped him turn his life around. Through the support of mentors like Tim Bradley and other key figures, Crawford was able to transition from fighting as an amateur to a professional, eventually becoming one of the most decorated names in the sport.

 

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Speaker 2 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode of Club Shea Shea on the Road. I'm at the UFC Apex right here in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Speaker 2 And the guy that's stopping by for conversation and he's going to give me some pointers on how to throw punches and to have the right technique just in case something pop up.

Speaker 2 He's the first male boxer in history to become a two-weight division undisputed world champion in the four-belt era.

Speaker 2 He's the first male boxer in history to become a two-time undisputed champion, a three-weight ring magazine champion, a four-weight division world champion. He's six-time fighter of the year.

Speaker 2 He's won 10 world titles across four weight classes. He's the undefeated and he's the reigning WBA Super Welterweight Champion.
Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the pride of Omaha, Bud Crawford.

Speaker 2 What's going on?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, see, you let your guard down.

Speaker 2 Bob,

Speaker 2 I would have caught it. No, you ain't.
I would have caught it. Oh, hold up, but hold up, boy.
You circling me. Bud, you circling.
I would have caught it. You circling, but don't do that.

Speaker 2 Bud, don't do that. I would have caught it.
Look at that. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 Don't do that. Don't do that, bud.
I'm just going to go. Hey, you see, hey, Dr.
A, the Coke. All right.
You got it. You got it.

Speaker 2 Doctor.

Speaker 2 I ain't falling for it.

Speaker 2 You good?

Speaker 2 Good to see you, man. How you mean? Man, I've been great.
I've been great.

Speaker 2 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 2 Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price. Want to slice.
Got the roller dice. That's why.
All my life. I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 2 You're a sloup, right? I'm whatever I need to be. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Hold on, hold on.
Let me get my orthodox. Let me get this orthodox.
Come on, Diane. That's the theme.

Speaker 2 That's the theme.

Speaker 2 I'm going to take your right or

Speaker 2 I'm going to just... So I know you ain't got no left.
So I'm going to just...

Speaker 2 How do you know that? Because you told me. Oh, I lied.

Speaker 2 I lied. Look, I'm going to just take your.
I'm going to just... Oh, look at that.
Look at that. Look at that.
Look at that.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 So here, temporal. I got to protect my temples, right? Okay, so first and foremost, you two square.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? There you go. Now, you gotta always know, if you're right here, man, I can hit you with every punch in the book.

Speaker 2 Okay, but if you're right here, you know what I mean, it's gonna be harder, and you slimmer, okay, you're hard, you're a harder target. Gotcha.
All right, now you're big, man. You gotta be fast.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? First and foremost, your elbows out, man. You're gonna be getting hit with body shots.

Speaker 2 So I gotta be honest. On your toe a little bit, you know what I mean? Just your back one a little bit because

Speaker 2 when you're punching, you wanna spring off. You wanna spring.
That's going to give you a little

Speaker 2 spring and stuff.

Speaker 2 There you go. Relax, relax.
You know what I mean? Then when you jab, you want to spring off of that one and you just want to step and slide. There you go.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But I got a break.

Speaker 2 But you're back. You low with it.
You lay with it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 So I might bop. You feel me? Yeah.
So when you jab, you want to, boom. Just keep it tight.
Boom.

Speaker 2 Don't pull it up too much because now you're straining yourself.

Speaker 2 Just let it flow.

Speaker 2 Boom. You ain't even got to be hard.
You just let it flow. Let it flow.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Chin down a little bit.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Get that right there. You want to protect your chin a little bit.
See, Ocho, Ocho talking about protect your temple. See, Ocho, you done got me knocked out.

Speaker 2 I got a professional here. I know I shouldn't have listened to Ocho talking about temple.
Protect your temple. You're going to protect.

Speaker 2 You're going to protect that too.

Speaker 2 But you, okay, protect them this, but how do I keep them getting body shot, man? Because listen, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 If you got your elbows in,

Speaker 2 if you throw a body shot, throw a body shot. You just drop them.
But if your elbows are here, if your elbows are here, and I, oh,

Speaker 2 I can just touch it. You know what I mean? I can just touch it with a little something.
Boom.

Speaker 2 I call it.

Speaker 2 Bang. You got to tell me you're going to throw the body shot so I can brace.
I can see it.

Speaker 2 I ain't getting the brace for that. So when you're here,

Speaker 2 you just drop them. You just drop them.
You just drop them. Because you always want to keep your hands up.
You know what I mean? That's like if I throw a jab, you just, boom, boom.

Speaker 2 You want to stop. You don't want to do that.
So because you do that, I might fake you. So you pull it.
That's the faint you talking about. Go come over the top.
See, there you go.

Speaker 2 Just catch it. Just catch it.
Yeah, there you go. But not pulling out.
You pulling. Don't pull.

Speaker 2 So let's, you throw, I do this and back, right? So I'm boom.

Speaker 2 I'm going to step in and crack you.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 if you got it here and you just here, you just hear here, and then I faint you, you know, boom, there you go. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Getting hit with something that you don't see. Right.
The points, the lot of punch that damn near always gives them out of there is that uppercut because it's coming from the blind spot.

Speaker 2 Because I'm looking, looking, and then, you know, tyson was good and notorious so bam bam

Speaker 2 or who else uh

Speaker 2 lennox nice uppercut so how do you protect against the uppercut well there's two things that you got to worry about with the uppercut you know you got to be in close to do it now you throw it from distance you're right you're right but you go get crack this is this is another case where I say you know your combinations.

Speaker 2 Okay. You know, and knowing who you fighting and knowing what combinations that they love to throw.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Try not to get over this knee. Which one? Your front knee.
Okay, I'm too much over. When you over that, when you, when you bend it down,

Speaker 2 that's when the knee. Now, remember, I said not getting out of position.
Right. If you in position, it's going to be hard to hit you with an uppercut because you can see it.
Right.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? And if you do get hit, boom, you kind of want to

Speaker 2 get back, you know what I mean? Or step to the side. So, if we here and you sit down a little bit, you know, I mean, and I come here, just open that.

Speaker 2 Boom, oh, okay. There you go.
You don't even got to do it. But see, but see, here's the thing, though.
See, but you're going to counter. See, when I knock this down.
Nah, I can't counter.

Speaker 2 I can't counter what I'm going to counter with. Okay.

Speaker 2 If I touch you with this, you got your hand up.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 You can catch this and come over top of me. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 I can't be teaching you. Yeah, you got you.
Yeah, yeah. I can't be teaching you.

Speaker 2 I can't be giving them too much.

Speaker 2 You got a smart attack. Give me some more.
Give me some more. He's like, give me some more.

Speaker 2 I can't be giving you too much, Shannon, because now you're going to try to box and you're going to do this. No, no, no, no.
Shannon gonna come and call Jake Paul out. No, hell no, no.

Speaker 2 No, I gotta fight somebody that got limited skills like myself.

Speaker 2 Somebody that's in their 50s.

Speaker 2 Don't know what he thinks about boxing. Okay,

Speaker 2 you fight from the Orthodox or South? Both.

Speaker 2 What do you feel most comfortable with? Both.

Speaker 2 So, okay, let's just say.

Speaker 2 You fight from

Speaker 2 the South Paul stand. The Orthodox.
And I'm going to fight from... The South Paul.
Or the Orthodox? This is my Orthodox. Yeah.
So you want me to fight for South Paul? Yeah. So,

Speaker 2 what are you trying to do? Are you trying to stay in? You trying to stay inside or you trying to stay outside? You trying to step on my foot? I ain't trying to step on your foot.

Speaker 2 It just depends on what what I'm trying to do. Okay.
Because a lot of times

Speaker 2 you get a lot of headbutts with one guy's an orthodox and the other guy's a south paw, right? Correct?

Speaker 2 I can let you take the outside, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And hit you with some shots. And I can step on the outside and hit you with some shots.

Speaker 2 So it just depends on what I'm trying to do at the moment. Right.

Speaker 2 I'm trying not to let you hit me with your power shot. Which one ain't my power shot?

Speaker 2 If you say, I'm going going to think of your left.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So I'm going to hit you with a power shot. That's not with the left.
That's okay. I don't feel it got that same kind of sting, that same kind of venom.
Why do you think that? Because

Speaker 2 I just feel that. Let me see.

Speaker 2 Actually, this arm a little bigger.

Speaker 2 Actually, the right is the first thing.

Speaker 2 They both, let me take that back.

Speaker 2 They both do what they post to do. Nah, I know,

Speaker 2 but I think that the right might have a little bit more power.

Speaker 2 They both do what they post to do, I'm telling you. If you watch the history, these mugs do what they post to do.
Oh, yeah, you put them together, though. I put them to sleep with left ones.

Speaker 2 But what you can do is you can put punches. Which one you want?

Speaker 2 Let me see.

Speaker 2 This is a little big. I'm hit me with this one.

Speaker 2 They be scared of this one, so this one put them to sleep. Yeah.
But see,

Speaker 2 your right is bigger than your left.

Speaker 2 Nah.

Speaker 2 Yes, it is. Look at it.
Nah, my left is bigger than my right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Ooh.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you see how you got here, did you? That's the delayed reaction. That's the delayed reaction that I'm telling you.
You're about fucked up bitman. I'm a little bit more.
Lee on back.

Speaker 2 That you make that shit. You look at your eyes.

Speaker 2 What is that?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right, so when you when you hooking,

Speaker 2 you hear, you want to go on that toe and bring that one flat.

Speaker 2 So this? So you hear right here. Say you on this back toe.
Remember, I told you to be on that back toe. You know what I mean? But

Speaker 2 when you hook, you want to change your, you want to hook from the hips. So when you hook, boom.

Speaker 2 This toe gonna go up and this one gonna go down. So you hear and it's gonna go boom.

Speaker 2 So you can do a 45

Speaker 2 or you can do straight. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 so you want to be a Mike Tyson. So you want to be

Speaker 2 Because, because, hold on, because I like to think if somebody, if I'm in the, if I'm fighting in the hell, I would be a heavyweight. The guy, he ain't going, ain't no heavyweight your size.

Speaker 2 Unless, what, Joe Fray? Joe Fraser was probably.

Speaker 2 Joe was about your height. I'm sure.

Speaker 2 Joe wasn't that tall. He wasn't like Ollie, the 6'2s, and now we got the super heavyweight, 6'4, 6'5.

Speaker 2 You know, 6'9. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So, so here, we're here.
Come from the shoulders. Relax, relax.
Always relax. Come straight from the shoulders.
Boom. Open Open it up a little bit.
Bam.

Speaker 2 But get that, there you go. So,

Speaker 2 yeah. So you want to come, everything you do, you want to come from the shoulders.
Boom. Just turn it.

Speaker 2 Hips. Hmm.

Speaker 2 Use your hips. I did.
Oh, you got bad hips. Yeah, yeah, they need you.
They artificial, I got hip replacement.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 All right, you need some stretching.

Speaker 2 You need some stretching.

Speaker 2 Your hips is like this. Hey,

Speaker 2 You the bro right now.

Speaker 2 You gotta use your hips. When you coming in there, you hear, boom.

Speaker 2 And that's where that torque is going to come from. The hips, your legs, all the way up in there.
So you square right now, so you like this. So when you hear,

Speaker 2 just bring it straight up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but use it here. Turn it.
Boom.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm blown.

Speaker 2 Fuck, just about five of the motherfuckers in here. He'd have hit me with everything.

Speaker 2 With the uppercut, left, the right. Oh, man.
Oh, man. Look at him.
I'm sweating. He 80, bro.
What's wet? No, it's all good, man. It's hot in here.

Speaker 2 The hardest thing, like, when you see, like, watching a fight, and you got in the corner, you just tell him, bro, get out of the corner. Get out of the corner.
It ain't just as easy.

Speaker 2 It's just like walking out the corner, is it?

Speaker 2 Because I've been in the corner. And, and you know, I'm watching fights at home and I see somebody in the corner and he's in trouble.
I'm like, bro, get out of the corner. Get out of the corner.

Speaker 2 But it's a lot easier said than done, isn't it? Facts.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 getting out the corner could be difficult. It depends on if you hurt or not.
Right.

Speaker 2 What type of fight are you fighting in?

Speaker 2 But for the most part, let's say you're South Paul, right? Right.

Speaker 6 Let's say I got you in the corner.

Speaker 2 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You got three things you can do.
Right.

Speaker 2 You can smother me. No, no, smother me.

Speaker 2 You can close the distance. Right.
So it's like, here, let me get up under you. Okay.
You know what I mean? You got that. You can grab me.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 You can grab me.

Speaker 2 You can just step around and turn. Step, step, and turn.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay, okay. You know what I mean? Step.

Speaker 2 Step around my feet. Oh, you are really? So you literally talk about it.
Step. Oh, and get you in the corner.
Yeah, there you go. You can see that.
But if I'm hurt, I ain't.

Speaker 2 But that's what what I'm saying. If you hurt, you better grab me.
Okay. You know what I mean? Everybody think, oh, man, you a punk.
If you grab me, I'm going to grab you. Right.

Speaker 2 Hold up.

Speaker 2 Let me get my thoughts together. Yeah, yeah, man.
Okay, okay. You know what I mean? Then I'm going to get back to the center of the ring.
And then, you know what I mean? Start all over.

Speaker 2 Start all over. You don't have to work for it now.

Speaker 2 You done let me out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, you know,

Speaker 2 you want to do one of those. When you tired.
Another thing. Bro, throw punches.
He in trouble. It's hard to throw them punches when you're tired, bud.

Speaker 2 Man, it is, but you gotta, that's why you gotta train. You know, if you, if you train hard, then you shouldn't have them type of problems.
Really?

Speaker 2 Or, you know, when you is tired, you didn't train so hard that you learn how to deal with being tired and fatigue. You still be able to throw punches.

Speaker 2 You know, and still being able to throw punches, you know. When you're tired,

Speaker 2 does it get more difficult as the rounds go? And let's say the pace? Because a lot of it is determined by pace.

Speaker 2 I mean, if it's a fight, you know, and it's, you know, you guys feeling each other out the first couple of rounds and so forth and so on. Now, as the pace starts to pick up,

Speaker 2 does it get harder to get someone out once you start to start to fatigue in the later rounds? Yeah, for sure. But at the same time,

Speaker 2 we all got tired before.

Speaker 2 But now, that's when that second win kick in. Do you know when someone's getting tired? Of course.
Can you tell? We all can. You know, well,

Speaker 2 we can. Right.
We can. You know,

Speaker 2 certain things, you know, body languages, and you know, when when you tie up. You breathe it out their mouth.
When you tie up

Speaker 2 in a clinch, you know what I mean? You can.

Speaker 2 You're like, oh. Oh, you tie her.
Yeah, you tie her. Let them put a little bit of a pressure on her.
Or they not fighting the same level that they was fighting at earlier, you know.

Speaker 2 Or they just, you can tell that they just trying to pace theyselves. You taking all that information in.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 You in a street fight. Right.

Speaker 2 Let's go.

Speaker 2 People that, man, he ain't fight fair. Ain't no fair in no street fight.

Speaker 2 Ain't nothing fair in the street. Bottle, a brad, whatever the case may be on the street fight.
I'm gonna hurt you.

Speaker 2 See?

Speaker 2 I don't want to hurt you.

Speaker 2 I don't want to fight in the street. I'm going to hurt you.
You know what I mean? But

Speaker 2 your hand was deadly weapons. So you can't get in a fight.
It's best for you to just like, hey, bro.

Speaker 2 No, I just be like, man, just chill out, man, because I'm going to fuck you up. I'm over here, bro.
Hey. I ain't on.

Speaker 2 Bro, I ain't on what you on right now. Let's go ahead and go ahead.
You got it. You got it.
Yeah, you got it. You got it.
That's because the thing is. You got to order me.

Speaker 2 Because here's the thing, bud. People, they look at you, they look at your size.
Yeah. And that's the biggest mistake that you can make on somebody.

Speaker 2 First thing I'm looking for, I'm looking at his ears. He got cauliflower ears.
You might be UFC to have you

Speaker 2 flop it at everybody. Now you a mean.

Speaker 2 I ain't worried about that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I'm saying no, bud. See, you got hands like that.
Everybody got hands down. See, I'm looking looking at your hands and your body language.

Speaker 2 Nah, but I see, but hey, I'm not going to let you get up on me. I'm looking at the mirrors from a distance.

Speaker 2 Even if I'm not on you, I'm looking at your hands and your body language. That's the first thing I'm looking at.

Speaker 2 Because we're in 2025. Yeah.
You know what I mean? What?

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Ain't nobody fighting no more.

Speaker 2 So you just were like, man, man, listen, man, you good. You got it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just let him have it. You got it, bro.

Speaker 2 It ain't even like that. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah, you right. You right, bro.
You got it. And I just leave peacefully.
Yeah. Then when you come outside.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 If I leave peacefully, I'm going to get my car. I'm gone.

Speaker 2 But that's the thing that I'm going to tell people is that, like, if you getting into it and y'all, once the voices start to raise, bud, and it's all that mofos and beats.

Speaker 2 And we close, I'll probably already punch you.

Speaker 2 That's the same. Yeah.
But you're not going to let somebody close the distance. I'm not not about to argue with you way over there, though.
That's the theme. Okay.
You know, I'm not about to.

Speaker 2 That's that. We used to call

Speaker 2 people like that. They scared.
Right. Because they want everybody to

Speaker 2 come in. Hey, man, y'all need to stop, man.
Y'all need to. But if we

Speaker 2 do this, I'm like, what you talking about? And we here? We here. We're not about to, man.
What you say, Shannon? Shannon, what's that stuff you said? Man, said I'll beat you up.

Speaker 2 Now everybody's gonna break it up, and now everybody

Speaker 2 to move cake blows.

Speaker 2 Listen, listen, listen.

Speaker 2 All right,

Speaker 2 we on the streets. We not, we really.
Oh, that's

Speaker 2 right. That look, that look.

Speaker 2 Uh-uh, boy. Uh-oh, boy.
What's in, boy?

Speaker 2 No, boy.

Speaker 2 No, boy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's what I want. I was leaving.

Speaker 2 I was in the boy.

Speaker 2 Trent, you're gonna be tired in a minute. I'm already tired.

Speaker 2 What you talking about?

Speaker 2 Oh!

Speaker 2 What you talking about? What you talking about in a minute? He's going to be tired in a minute.

Speaker 2 He's going to be tired in a minute.

Speaker 5 All right, now, Shannon.

Speaker 2 Sit back, sit back. Breathe, man.
Now, listen. You did good that round.
Okay. But you didn't do good that round.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 I see what you're trying to do, but you got to keep your hands up. Okay.
Go back to the basics. Okay.
One, two. One, two.
Okay. Keep the jab up.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Come on. Get out there, champ.

Speaker 2 Hey.

Speaker 2 How many more minutes we got, coach? Hey, get out there.

Speaker 2 You got another round.

Speaker 2 Hey!

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 All right, my bad.

Speaker 2 All them muscles, I told you. I told you you was going to get tired with all them muscles.
I told you. And see, I'm little.
Yeah, see.

Speaker 2 And you didn't get me out of there.

Speaker 2 I got you out in the first round.

Speaker 2 Now it's my turn. You're going to be rolling around and stuff.
You're going to drag me to the deep.

Speaker 2 You're going to be rolling around talking about, I can't breathe. I can't breathe.

Speaker 2 I got asthma. Like Tommy Hearn's had up Martin.

Speaker 2 Hey, you're going to be talking about you got asthma. You ain't never had asthma.
I ain't got asthma though. Do you? Oh, see? I see.
I see. I got exercises to do something.

Speaker 2 You're going to be talk about I can't breathe.

Speaker 2 That's how them big dudes. Most of what on my head, Coach.

Speaker 2 Hard times, I was broke. Remember Santo 504?

Speaker 2 These days, when and only thing that I know. Failed so many times, now I sickened that strong.
Took so many L's, now the money get out.

Speaker 2 You were bulljabbing and I did. I was like, you threw a punch, I would do this, and I'm gonna come back.
He's like, man, that's a little ass punch, man. I'd hit you like seven, eight times.
All right.

Speaker 2 So with somebody like that drag, and Florida's good with that, like like somebody throw and he falling and bam.

Speaker 2 Did you, I mean, how do you know what's coming? And then, how do you counteract that? Floyd is so good at timing people. Yeah, he got speed.

Speaker 2 So, by the time you already threw your hand out, he already then seen it, and he already in motion to hit you. So, only thing you can do is fop.
It's just brace for it, right? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So, when you out of position, Floyd is good at getting fighters out of position.

Speaker 2 So, when you out of position, you know, I mean, you just got to eat it.

Speaker 2 What is, there's like, because a lot of people say, well, Floyd ain't got no power,

Speaker 2 but if he ain't got no power, why people ain't walk him down? He did something to keep y'all up off him. Facts.

Speaker 2 Is power generated through speed, or is it generated through sitting down? Okay. Both.
You know, because I can hit you with

Speaker 2 something fast and you don't see it. And you'll be like, oh, shit.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? It's like whip flash, or I can hit you with something that you see, but I sat down on it, and it's like, boom, and you're like, man, this motherfucker didn't crack me.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? So it's both, you know what I mean? Speed is power, though, but the ones that you don't see hurt you the worst. Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 That's what I tell people: like, what's the hardest you've been hit? Well, I didn't see it. Yeah.
I'm going here and I'm like, bam. Yeah.
Well, if I see you coming, I can brace it.

Speaker 2 You can brace for it. I can brace for it.
You can feel the force and you can know that it was powerful. Right.
You know, but. But you took a lot of sting out of it because you braced for it.

Speaker 2 But that one that you don't see,

Speaker 2 when you're in the ring and you like, because the hardest thing is, is to stay focused once you're tired.

Speaker 2 Is that, and they, you know, Coach Lombardi once said, fatigue make cowards of us all. So all of a sudden, now you're in, because everybody feels good the first couple of rounds.

Speaker 2 You're like, yeah, yeah, but I feel good. Hey, you're doing good, son.
You're doing good. You're on your toes.
You bouncing around. Now we get round six or seven.
And now all of a sudden,

Speaker 2 the punches start to uptick. So instead of throwing 10, 15, 20 punches, now all of a sudden it's a 30, 40, 50 punch output.

Speaker 2 Now you got to really stay focused because when you get tired, that jaw drop,

Speaker 2 now you're in the middle of the ring. Yeah.
So how do you, how do you stay? How do you stay really? Because I think the biggest thing is staying relaxed because

Speaker 2 that takes a lot of energy.

Speaker 2 It's it's it's something that

Speaker 2 a lot of fighters, you know, struggle with, but being that I'm experienced and I've been doing it for so long I'm used to it you know I'm used to staying calm and in the storm you know

Speaker 2 all great fighters is used to it you got you know

Speaker 2 it comes with experience I'm gonna just say it come with experience you know

Speaker 2 some fighters you see they throwing a hundred punches around and you know they don't got no look on their face It's because they've been doing it for so long.

Speaker 2 Other fighters,

Speaker 2 you see them breaking down and falling apart when they get tired. You know, and you know, that's when the inexperience come into play.
When you're tired, you got to go back to the fundamentals. Right.

Speaker 2 You know, keep your hands up and

Speaker 2 stick to your guns. That's the hardest thing because, you know, doing it, and people are like, man, three readers say nothing.
I was like, I'll tell you, tell you what. Just hold your hand.

Speaker 2 I ain't say throw no punches. I want you to hold your hands just like this for three minutes.
And just move around the gym. That's it.
Now, do that. And just, you know, just shout out.

Speaker 2 I ain't talking about, about, you know, you got to throw no power and let me know how you feel. Now, do that for 12 rounds and see how you feel.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Three minutes doesn't seem like a long time, but when you're getting stalked or you're stalking somebody, that's a long period of time.

Speaker 2 Because the hardest thing that I found out, bud, that I stopped breathing. I hold my breath.

Speaker 2 And now here we are a minute and a half of the race. I'm exhausted.
I'm exhausted. So I couldn't, the hardest thing for me is that I couldn't relax.

Speaker 2 Because when I run around, bud, I'm holding my breath. I'm not breathing.
Catch the ball, run,

Speaker 2 I start breathing again. You can't do that in boxing.
At all.

Speaker 2 You can't do that in boxing.

Speaker 2 And you can't say, coach,

Speaker 2 let me take one.

Speaker 2 What can I be doing? Yeah,

Speaker 2 you can't go on the sideline and be like,

Speaker 2 let me take two, two players.

Speaker 2 Let me get

Speaker 2 you. Yeah, yeah.
But I love it, though. I love it, though, because, you know, I'm so competitive.

Speaker 2 It's like I used to get into it with my teammates because of the wrong things that they was doing or they not working as hard as I am.

Speaker 2 You know, if I want to win

Speaker 2 so bad that I'm about to beat you up because you like, I don't care. It's just one plate.
No, one plate can cost us the game. Right.
You know, or you missing layups, you know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 that's on the team. Like, nah, cut it out.
It's going to be on me. Let me put it on my back.

Speaker 2 At any point in time in your career, I'm not just saying professionally, your amateur career when you was a taught, did you feel that you went into the ring and you weren't prepared?

Speaker 2 Most definitely.

Speaker 2 Most definitely. Man, I didn't lost fights as an amateur for not being prepared, not being in shape.
And they just outworked me.

Speaker 2 I remember, you know what I mean, going to the corner out of shape, and I'm like, man, this dude, this dude, he couldn't fight. Right.
You know what I mean? But

Speaker 2 he's just punching. And I'm out there trying to knock him out, winging and stuff.

Speaker 2 And I'm just like, man, I don't never want to feel that feeling ever again in life because it's like, for one, it's embarrassing to be this top

Speaker 2 amateur and you losing to people that's just like, bro.

Speaker 2 If I'm in shape and I'm trained to the best of my ability, I don't think nobody can beat me. That's just been my motto my whole life since I've been working, like really working in the gym.
Because

Speaker 2 when you little, you come in the gym, you hit the speed bag, you play around with your friends and stuff like that, and y'all go to tournaments and y'all just go to tournaments.

Speaker 2 But when you start getting to that elite level and the amateurs, like everybody's good. You know, you fight in different styles every day.

Speaker 2 You fighting, you know what I mean, overseas and stuff like that. So

Speaker 2 it changed my life and my training resume. So everything was like hard.
Go, go, go, go, go. And then you start seeing the outcome.
It's like, oh man, if I'm this, this Terrence,

Speaker 2 man, these boys can't beat me. Wow.

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Speaker 2 And then looking at the way Floyd Mayweather trained, that was so inspiring. You know, how you know, he'll run from the strip club.

Speaker 2 Like, everybody think, you know, just because he out there partying, he don't drink or smoke. Right.
He'll run from the strip club. He always working, just working, working.

Speaker 2 And I just took that from Floyd. Like, I just

Speaker 2 work non-stop, non-stop.

Speaker 2 Let back the roof. You see the smoke come out the ceiling.
All my niggas made a killing. What it costs to get a million.
I'm living life for real, can't be out here moving timid.

Speaker 2 They love to see you feel this.

Speaker 2 What gave Bud Crawford the confidence that he could be a world champion? Uh, the doubters.

Speaker 2 The doubters and my belief in myself.

Speaker 2 You know, I think me believing in myself and the heart that I pose within my chest that I don't care who you is, if you ain't fought me, you can't, you can't nobody tell me you can beat me. Right.

Speaker 2 You know, so it just always

Speaker 2 being that I had a chip on my shoulder in every sport to prove like

Speaker 2 I belong here or I'm better than these guys that y'all praising. So

Speaker 2 I just always carry myself like that. You still have that now.
You won 10 belts over four different weight divisions.

Speaker 2 You're a two division, undisputed. In the four belt era, you're the only male that's done that.
You still have doubts? You still feel you have something to prove? Of course. Of course.

Speaker 2 Because they don't believe you're going to be able to do what you believe you can do except.

Speaker 2 And that's the joy in it. You know,

Speaker 2 proving everybody wrong.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 having

Speaker 2 the ability to see the look on everybody's face when everybody says, oh man, he's this. He ain't for nobody.
Or he's not that good. Or he's going to get knocked out.

Speaker 2 I've been hearing that my whole career.

Speaker 2 And then when I succeed, succeed then it's also quiet so no it's not quiet it's excuse after excuse after excuse so it's like i didn't fought everybody that everybody wanted me to fight but then it's oh you haven't fought nobody okay cool you know and i heard that because when you fought earl man that car wreck took everything he had out of him so if he'd have fought it three years before that Ain't no way Earl wiped the floor.

Speaker 2 So let me ask you this. In September, are you going to pull this? I shook up the world.
I told you. I told you.
I told you. I told you.
I told you.

Speaker 2 Definitely.

Speaker 2 That's definitely going to be, you know, me, one of the moments, you know. And I just smile

Speaker 2 because a lot of the people that personally know me, they know. They like, man, I don't know why they doubting that boy.
Right. You know, and it's cool, but I need that.

Speaker 2 I need the doubters to fuel me. I need the people to say, oh, well, look at his fight against Majimov.
You know, what you think he'll do if he go up two more weight classes?

Speaker 2 I need that, you know, because that's going to make me more focused and turn into a different animal. So I need the people

Speaker 2 to say, I can't do this, or I'm not good enough, or I'm not strong enough, or

Speaker 2 this person is going to knock me out because... that that makes me get up and you know turn into Super Saiyan.

Speaker 2 As you move up in weight, some of the time they'll say like, well, you move up in weight, you lose some of the power.

Speaker 2 But do you feel that you'll still be able to maintain that level of quickness moving up two weight classes? I mean, that's going to be 14 pounds, moving up 14 pounds.

Speaker 2 Are you still going to be able to possess? Because everybody says, well, Canelo has power. That's his natural fighting weight.
You're moving up. That's not your natural fighting weight.

Speaker 2 You have the speed advantage.

Speaker 2 So are you going to be able to maintain that speed advantage and still be able to to pack a punch of course you know i think you know if you can punch you can punch okay you know it may not have the same effect that it did on a smaller guy on a bigger guy but if you if you sharp you sharp right you know and i don't got to knock them out i just got to beat them right a lot of people thinking just because a person punch harder than you know, another fighter that they automatically gonna win.

Speaker 2 No, it's a lot of fighters that

Speaker 2 lost, you know, and they punch way harder than the fighter that they lost to.

Speaker 2 Canelo's not just a puncher. I don't know why.
That's what people believe, huh? It's just like this.

Speaker 2 They don't know boxing. They just looking at him being strong.
The bigger man. He's a great boxer.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 People taking away from his boxing skills. and just thinking that he's just this puncher when that's not true.

Speaker 2 So that's why I laugh because we're not just looking at Canelo as a puncher, we're looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter.

Speaker 2 You know, he can take a punch, he can deliver a punch, he can counter punch you, he can box you, he can punch on you. You know, I mean, a good body puncher, good,

Speaker 2 you know, fighter that got good balance, he's never getting out of position. So we're looking at all that.

Speaker 2 Where were you when you decided to say, you know what,

Speaker 2 my next great adventure,

Speaker 2 Canelo?

Speaker 2 It's crazy. I don't even know.
I don't even know where I was at. But it was like, I'm always willing to challenge myself.

Speaker 2 Like, like today with you. Yeah.
You know what I mean? No, it's just, it's just in me. That's the first thing he did.
He carried me, oh, I tackled you. It's just, it's just, it's just in me.

Speaker 2 It's just a competitive nature in me. You know,

Speaker 2 if I was

Speaker 2 sitting next to Michael Jordan, I'd be like, man, let's play one-on-one. Let me see how many I can score on you.
You know,

Speaker 2 that's just me. So

Speaker 2 accomplishing so much and failing to have

Speaker 2 the many Pacquiao fights, you know, the Kodo fights and

Speaker 2 the Shane Mosley that all the other great fighters had when these fighters was on their way out, you know, that made them, you know, the star that they is, not having those guys

Speaker 2 to share the ring with, it's like, oh man,

Speaker 2 what can you do

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 5 leapfrog those fighters?

Speaker 2 Why not go up three for weight classes? I wanted to go up three, just to be honest. I didn't want to fight at 154.

Speaker 2 I wanted to go. So you wanted to go straight from 47 to 68? Yes, I did.

Speaker 2 It's documented. I wanted to go from 147 to 168 just because

Speaker 2 I want to challenge myself.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's the joy of it. That's the joy of it.
Everybody's like, man, boy, you're crazy. Yeah,

Speaker 2 you got to be crazy to think of things. Yeah, because not a whole lot of guys.
I mean, Roy went from 168 to one, and he weighed the heavyweight,

Speaker 2 and I think he weighed 193 in that fight. So that was basically, I mean, that's 25 pounds that he went up.

Speaker 2 You'd be going up 21 pounds. And normally guys

Speaker 2 go up incrementally.

Speaker 2 You know, you fought it. Because if I'm not mistaken, I think Sugar Ray and Durane fought it lightweight at 135.
I think

Speaker 2 at 147? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I know Sugar Ray and Hagler, excuse me, Hearns, fought at 47, but Sugar Ray and Hagler fought at 160.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay, 147, he go to 154, he goes to 160. We cool, okay, bud.
Okay, I like that.

Speaker 2 Bud, think about going to Supermiddle? Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's the excitement about it. You know, when I look at it, like, I always had this this mind frame of the bigger they are the harder they fall okay i've been beating up big dudes all my life

Speaker 2 because they underestimate your

Speaker 2 it's just even if they didn't

Speaker 2 i'm gonna beat you up you know i can fight right you know so

Speaker 2 if you watch like all these dudes bigger than me yeah you know like i don't care But I'm going to find a way to win no matter what.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 You win this fight, then what?

Speaker 2 I mean, where you go from there, bud? You can't go back down? I might go to heavyweight. No.

Speaker 2 I just flagged. I just fled.

Speaker 2 But who, I mean,

Speaker 2 once you, let's just say for the sake of argument, and I'm going to say, you know, bud, you win this fight at 168.

Speaker 2 You can't fight someone else. You can't fight anybody at 147 because everybody will say, why is he fighting that way?

Speaker 2 I can't make 147 either. Anyway.
You can't make 147 again? No, it's over. What about 54? Junior Middle.
Man, we're gonna go to 168.

Speaker 2 So you're gonna go to 168 to stay there? I ain't thinking about nothing but 168. Nothing but that.
168. Is it over after that? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that.
What'll be left? I don't know. That's what I'm saying.
You would have scaled a seven summits. Yeah.
And finished off with my brain.

Speaker 2 We might do a rematch. You never know.

Speaker 2 Never know.

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Speaker 2 How the hell you get the name Bud? How you getting bud out of Terrence? Shit, you

Speaker 2 asking me. I asked my mom the same question.

Speaker 2 She said that, you know, when I was a little kid, they used to call me Spud. Okay.
She was like, don't call them Spud, call them Bud. Okay.

Speaker 2 It's stuck. Ever since I was a baby, they've been calling me Bud.
Does anybody in your family call you Terrence or everybody just call you Bud?

Speaker 2 Everybody call me Bud.

Speaker 2 Nobody really called me Terrence. Well, we got LaPorte up here, but you don't drink, you don't smoke, and you're getting ready for arguably one of your biggest fights.

Speaker 2 So congratulations on everything, but we're going to get into it right quick. You're from Omaha, Nebraska.
Omaha, Nebraska. That's right.
And you never left.

Speaker 2 What's special about Omaha to Terrence Carl?

Speaker 2 Omaha is home. Omaha is special just like any other city.
that any other athlete came up out of. You hear a lot of athlete and a lot of people say, oh, well, I'm from Philly, I'm from Chicago,

Speaker 2 Detroit or Texas, whatever, so forth.

Speaker 2 I'm from Nebraska, I'm from Omaha, and that's what I put on for.

Speaker 2 And that's where I give the most hope to the youth

Speaker 2 at.

Speaker 2 Did you ever, when you were growing up, like, man, I can't wait to get out of Omaha? Because you see a lot of people like, you come, man, I couldn't, I can't wait to leave this.

Speaker 2 I can't wait to leave that but it seemingly as you mentioned this is home is very special place and I'm not so sure you ever wanted to leave Omaha no I just always said I can't wait to make it from Omaha okay okay because Omaha is not a hotbed for boxing Omaha

Speaker 2 is a place where when I used to go to national tournaments and we got the Nebraska team, they'd be like, oh, we got one. Got one.
Got an easy one a little bit. We got an easy one today.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? So I wanted to change that narrative. Right.
You know,

Speaker 2 I did that 10 times for.

Speaker 2 Describe Omaha for people that's never been to Omaha, that doesn't live in Omaha, for the people that's going to watch this, going to listen to this,

Speaker 2 describe Omaha to them. Well, first and foremost, it's black people in Omaha.

Speaker 2 Besides you and your family. See, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 So let's get that out the way.

Speaker 2 A lot of people, you know, when you say you from Omaha, Omaha, they be like, is black people in Omaha? What, Gabrielle UE from Omaha? Malcolm X from Omaha. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Malcolm X, great.

Speaker 2 Lauren Buffett.

Speaker 2 You know, Omaha is a place where, you know, it's not as fast as the bigger cities, but, you know, we have the same things like any other big city. We got crime, we got, you know, nice parts.

Speaker 2 We got the, you know, not so nice parts. Not so nice parts.
But, you know, Omaha is a great place that you can raise a family at. It's a nice place to visit.
And

Speaker 2 Omaha is where it's at to me. You and I was having a conversation

Speaker 2 off camera. You said you got seven kids, and you was like, man, tell me this.
Where would you want to raise your kids? You're like, LA is too fast, New York's too crowded, X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 2 You said, Omaha, that's the best place that I can raise my kids.

Speaker 2 For sure. When I look at cities and I say, all right, would I want to raise my kid in that city, in that type of environment? I'd be like, no.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I don't want to shield them, but at the same time, I want to kind of protect them from the world that

Speaker 2 could be a negative vibe.

Speaker 2 I like Colorado Springs as well.

Speaker 2 Colorado Springs kind of remind me of Omaha type city.

Speaker 2 The best thing about Colorado Springs is you can go to Denver and go to a football game and go to an NBA. Because

Speaker 2 ain't nothing there but the Olympic boxing, Olympic training facility and the Air Force Academy. Right.
That's it.

Speaker 2 In the Army base. Yeah.
Fort Carson. But then I can go back, you know, and chill.
Right. You know,

Speaker 2 see a...

Speaker 2 Some deers in the morning, see a bear here and there.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I like the wildlife. Right.
So describe your neighborhood. What was Bud Crawford's neighborhood like? Oh, my neighborhood was fun.
You had all kinds of kids in the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 Was it mainly black? Was it mixture? It was black. It was black.
Mainly blacks

Speaker 2 running around the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 We fighting. We been friends the next day.

Speaker 2 We all playing sports together.

Speaker 2 We

Speaker 2 either on different teams and playing football or we on the same team.

Speaker 2 all get our pads together and go in the

Speaker 2 field across the street and be seeing who can run who over. Or we playing, you know, Killer Man, Tua and Touch, or, you know,

Speaker 2 just being kids, you know, walking around the corner trying to get on the girls.

Speaker 2 My neighborhood was fun, but you don't see neighborhoods like that no more. No.

Speaker 2 Did you experience racism? I mean, because

Speaker 2 it's just a natural thing. People think, like, like you said, you're like, okay, there are black people in Omaha.

Speaker 2 There are black people in omaha and in nebraska contrary to what you might have heard or what you might perceive so did you did you uh ever in experience or come in contact with any racism never

Speaker 2 never

Speaker 2 i can't i can't remember one time where i actually

Speaker 2 can say that i experience

Speaker 2 a person like calling me out my name right wow you know now

Speaker 2 bias yes you know um

Speaker 2 being rude yes but a person like you there, you this and that, and that, never, wow, never,

Speaker 2 you know, I can't, I can't say that. And then, for the most part, North Omaha is primarily black.

Speaker 2 You ever met what you mentioned Warren Buffett being from Omaha. Have you ever met Warren Buffett? Yeah, plenty of times.
He gave you some great advice? Yeah, Warren Cool.

Speaker 2 Warren Cool, he chill. You know, we sit there,

Speaker 2 we have little

Speaker 2 meetings, little conversations, and he drink his Coca-Cola and eat his popcorn and just like a regular person.

Speaker 2 When people look at Warren, they'd be like, oh, man, this guy is

Speaker 2 so smart.

Speaker 2 Got so much money, but he's just a regular person like us.

Speaker 2 How has being from Omaha, being from the neighborhood that you're from,

Speaker 2 that upbringing? How has that shaped the man we see sitting here today? I think it made me more humble. I think it made me more reserved in a sense of not trying to

Speaker 2 get all up into the hype. You know, when you see

Speaker 2 people from LA, they all want to be Hollywood. They all want to dress a certain way.

Speaker 2 When you say way with New York, you know, everybody, oh, I got to have these on, I got to do this, I got to do that, you know, and other other cities, they want to be rappers.

Speaker 2 You know, oh, I got to have all the jewelry on, I got to have all the the rings and the bling. And, you know, I got to spend all my money on cars because that's what people like.

Speaker 2 And I think being from Omaha have kept me grounded to the point where, you know,

Speaker 2 I'm more business-minded than worried about what everybody else thinks.

Speaker 2 Then when you were growing up in Omaha, did you see, because a lot of times, you know, in L.A., you saw people with fancy cars and jewelry and nice clothes.

Speaker 2 Same thing in New York and a lot of other cities. Did you see anybody in Omaha that had jewelry, that had nice cars, that dressed a certain type of way that you you like, man, I give me some money,

Speaker 2 I'm gonna do that.

Speaker 2 Of course, I think all of us have growing up, but I was taught at an early age: you know, if you can have this car and this car, they both gonna get to the destination at the same time. Right.

Speaker 2 You know, so if you want to spend $500,000 on this car that's gonna depreciate and it's not an asset, or do you wanna spend $20,000 on this car that's gonna work work just as well as this car and

Speaker 2 cost less to fix it up? Right. Then buy you some assets on the side and then

Speaker 2 plan for your future or you can live for now.

Speaker 2 Raised by a single mom.

Speaker 2 How much of a challenge was that? Did you notice that, you know, being a single mom and there were probably financial struggles?

Speaker 2 I don't know, you know, what was, what was your, you know, what she did for a living, but was it hard?

Speaker 2 Did you know that, man my friends might have something or did you go without meals did you clothing what so what was that your upbringing as far as being a single you know being raised by a single parent well my upbringing was was was was cool because i have family that's supportive okay you know extended family that really yeah for sure my aunts my uncles things like that my cousins um

Speaker 2 my mom you know, was married. You know, my dad was in the military.
Okay. So he would always send money home every month.
But at the same time, you know, sometimes that wouldn't be enough.

Speaker 2 So I couldn't get the clothes that I want. I couldn't get the shoes that I want.
So in doing so,

Speaker 2 I will always get in fights because people would talk about my clothes. People always talk about my shoes.
So I'm like, all right, I didn't have the jokes.

Speaker 2 You had the hands on the buds.

Speaker 2 I done had a joke. So, you know, when people calling me Dark Vader

Speaker 2 and calling me oil spirit and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 everybody laughing. See, you would have been the person I punched.
I'd have been like, oh, so it's funny, huh?

Speaker 2 I got you. But that's the thing.
What Hoppitris tried to figure out. You will get mad at the guy laughing.
You get mad at it. But why do you get mad at the guy laughing? I didn't tell the joke.

Speaker 2 Because you would be the one that drags it out.

Speaker 2 So say me and you. You my homie.

Speaker 2 You bagging on me. Yeah.
You got the right because we friends. Right.
You know know what I mean? But you, man, who is this dude? Why are you laughing? And he just dragged.

Speaker 2 Now everybody else laughing because they laughing at how he dragging it out.

Speaker 2 Yo, shut up.

Speaker 2 Not everybody laughing at you.

Speaker 2 So you got into it a lot growing up as a kid, huh? And I fought a lot. I fought a lot.

Speaker 2 You fight in school, you fight outside of school. Right.

Speaker 2 When did your mom say, hey, son you got you got a you got to channel this let's let's get you into something that you can channel this this anger what what did you think this stemmed from um my dad not been there you know and i and my mom wasn't the one that got me in boxing really really

Speaker 2 so the owner of the gym lived right behind me okay

Speaker 2 so me being

Speaker 2 in the neighborhood um

Speaker 2 running around the neighborhood bad, he will always try to get all the little kids to do something positive. So he had boxing down there.
He had singing.

Speaker 2 He had dancing, talent shows, take us to go sell raffle tickets, you know, so we can have some money. And he was a big,

Speaker 2 big influence

Speaker 2 person

Speaker 2 in the community. He still is to this day.
Okay.

Speaker 2 He stopped me and a couple of friends that asked, did we want to box?

Speaker 2 I ran home like, hey, man,

Speaker 2 some stranger just for us

Speaker 2 trying to talk to me. You know,

Speaker 2 he's knocking on the door. And when he comes in, everybody greeting him.
I'm like, this is the dude I'm telling y'all.

Speaker 2 They like, oh, well, your dad and your uncle box for him. Yeah.
Right. You know.

Speaker 2 So boxing kind of ran in your family. So your uncle boxed, your dad boxed.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Okay. So that was your predecessor.
So you had no choice but to be a boxer? For sure, definitely.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 my mom asked me, did I want to go? And I told her, yeah. So I go down there, start boxing.
I get through up.

Speaker 2 Why you got thrown out?

Speaker 2 So the coach, the coach and me bumped heads because

Speaker 2 I was this kid, like,

Speaker 2 you're not about to be cussing at me. Okay.
Yelling at me, telling me, get your little badass over there and do them push-ups. Like, who are you talking to? You ain't my daddy.

Speaker 2 Like, you ain't about to be cussing at me. So we clash and he kicked me out.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, whatever.

Speaker 2 I come back to the gym. I'm hitting a speed bag.
He's like, didn't I tell you a little badass, don't just be hitting them bags without no gloves and this and that, that.

Speaker 2 And I start arguing with him again. I'm like, man, this ain't your gym, man.
It's Carl's gym. You know,

Speaker 2 you're just a coach here. So we arguing, we bumping heads.
Man, he kicked me out. I was out for like five years.
Damn.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Because I didn't care.
I just went to other sports. Right.
You know, and

Speaker 2 in 2002, they made these little pamphlets with my face on it, like I'm some kind of feed your children.

Speaker 2 You got to see it.

Speaker 2 Come on, man. Hey, man, it goes CW Needs You.
And I'm on the

Speaker 2 ash lifts it off.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's like they try to sell me.

Speaker 2 So I come back, you know, I'm like, man, I'm not boxing, man. So everybody's just all trying to get me to come back.

Speaker 2 My guy, Resendo, he Mexican. He was boxing at the time.
And he was running through all the little kids in the gym. And they like, man, when you was here, you was the baddest little kid in there.

Speaker 2 Right. But, man, we got this little Mexican down

Speaker 2 called the body snatcher. He dropping everything.
And I'm like, man, I don't care what y'all talking about. Man, I come in there and whoop him.
So we going back and forth.

Speaker 2 And we got this thing called Family Night that

Speaker 2 we throw to raise money for the gym.

Speaker 2 And they like, well, we got Family Night. Come down there.
I'm like, what? I come down there. Like, they like, ah, man, you ain't coming down there.
You scared. What I'm scared for.

Speaker 2 So they basically challenged me to come back to the gym. So

Speaker 2 I come down there. He getting out the ring.
He had already sparred. I was mad.
I'm like, man, I come all the way down here. And he already getting out the gym.
I didn't see him fighting or nothing.

Speaker 2 They like, well, come back to the gym. So I come back to the gym.
I'm like, all right, let's spar. And man's like, all right, you know what?

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh man, here we go again. Here we go again.

Speaker 2 Here we go again.

Speaker 2 But I'm older now, so I'm like, all right. So then I started training and I've been back ever since.
Did you take back over the gym? Old boy drop you? No, he didn't drop nothing.

Speaker 2 He knocked the wind out of me.

Speaker 2 He didn't drop that. But we always compete.
Right. And, you know,

Speaker 2 that definitely took me to the next level. Your story is very unique because you grew up in a very matriarchal mom, grandma, aunt, sister.

Speaker 2 What was that like?

Speaker 2 Because you said a lot of, you believe a lot of your troubles stem from not having your father there, not having that dominant male figure for the time being until the boxing coaches came into your life.

Speaker 2 So what was it like? So

Speaker 2 your mom, I mean, normally sometimes, you know, like you said, you know, you do it. It's something about a father's voice.

Speaker 2 That sternness, that firmness that you know, that you're like, okay, he mean business. Ah, mom, you play.
I'm going to go on and do what I want to do. I don't please you.
No, my mom was tough.

Speaker 2 Man, I used to get whooped all the time.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, my mom wasn't having it, you know, but the thing is, it was hard because I didn't have no brothers. Oh.
You know, I had older cousins, but I didn't have no brothers.

Speaker 2 So in a household with just you and your two sisters and your mom at work, and your sisters really don't like you, they really ain't messing with you.

Speaker 2 And it's like, you just sitting there, like, man, what I'm gonna do? Like, you know, every time I go in there, I'm getting beat up because they don't want me in their room.

Speaker 2 I can't say nothing to them because they think I'm bothering them when I'm really bored. Right.
You know what I mean? I'm trying to talk to somebody.

Speaker 2 Y'all usually want somebody to have a car with you. So it's just like, all right.

Speaker 2 Man, I'm leaving the house.

Speaker 2 So then it got to the point where I started leaving the house. My mom asked me, where you at? And I'm at the fishing pond.
I'm fishing.

Speaker 2 I'm getting in trouble. I'm shooting pavilions up with BB guns and things like that, getting in trouble.
And, you know, that's when the trouble started.

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Speaker 2 Transitioning from me just sitting in the the house to me being outside. Right.

Speaker 2 You say your dad was in the military. How often did you see your dad? My dad used to come like probably once, twice a year.
Mm-hmm. Because he'd be out to sea for like six months.

Speaker 2 Wow, so he's in the Navy. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 That also shaped you. I used to flip out.

Speaker 2 Man, when he leave. Oh.

Speaker 2 So, because it's crazy because my dad, like, when he used to come home, he used to be on for like five days. That's it? Man, you gone for like six months, and home for five days.

Speaker 2 I figured at least two weeks because he lived in Virginia. Okay, you know, so he lived in Virginia and we lived in Omaha.

Speaker 2 So I used to flip out. It used to be so bad where they used to take me out of school to go send my dad off because I flip out.
Right. You know, and did you ever want to go with him?

Speaker 2 Did you ever want to go back to Virginia with him? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Your mom said no.
No, she ain't about to send her kids out there.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we actually did go, me and my sister. Okay.
You know, my mom was like, all right, forget it. You know, here,

Speaker 2 TT and Bud, y'all want to go out there so bad? My other sister, she don't care. She don't care about none of that.

Speaker 2 So we go out there and they had a hurricane. It was bad.
Wow. You know what I mean? Tore up the trees and stuff.
We didn't have no lights,

Speaker 2 no water, no nothing for like, man,

Speaker 2 two weeks, but it lasted for like a month. Wow.
And that two weeks, my mom was like, man, send my motherfucking kids back home. So then we moved back home.
Right.

Speaker 2 We didn't ever go back to Virginia.

Speaker 2 Do you think you would have become the bud that we see here today had your father been in your life? Because it seemed like a lot of times chaos and turmoil shapes us into the people.

Speaker 2 We don't see it at the time, but a lot of that, that anger and what you had, you was able to channel it. You was able to focus it and become a multi-world champion.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 uh, how different do you think your life would have been had your dad been there every single day?

Speaker 2 How I think my life would be, yeah, how different would your life have been now? Definitely different, you know.

Speaker 2 I definitely think I'll still be you still be a world champion, but I think you know, I mean, I'll be more successful,

Speaker 2 really, yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah, like my dad was like

Speaker 2 way different, really, yeah. Like, I think I got in

Speaker 2 more trouble

Speaker 2 being that he wasn't there

Speaker 2 because when I got to a certain age, it was like, Mom, you ain't whooping me no more.

Speaker 2 You better put that belt down. I don't know what you're raising that belt for.
You know, and being that my dad never whooped me, right? You know, he always talked to me and gave me a solution.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. You know, you're like, AT,

Speaker 2 why are you doing that? You know, he always wanted to know why. Right.
My mom, she didn't care. She was just like, oh, so you want to do this? Right.
Why? Oh, you think you're mad, huh? Why, why?

Speaker 2 So it didn't got to the point where I go to school, you say something I don't like.

Speaker 2 Damn, boy.

Speaker 2 Because that's what I was taught as a kid. Right.

Speaker 2 If I said something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass whooped. Right.
If I did something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass whooped. Right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So every time it was something negative, I was getting my ass whooped. So I carried that on.
in my life when I was with my peers. Right.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 Say something, oh really?

Speaker 2 Because that's all I knew. Right.

Speaker 2 Did you feel your mom? Did you feel like it was excessive? Did you feel your mom sometimes whip you for no reason? Because you said that sometimes you just say stuff and it was boom.

Speaker 2 If you did something, boom. You're like, damn, mom, I can't do anything.
Did you feel like you couldn't do anything right? No, no. You feel like you deserve every ass whooped.

Speaker 2 Hell, no.

Speaker 2 It was a lot of times that I didn't even do shit. My mom be like, oh, I know your ass was going to do something.

Speaker 2 But the crazy thing about it is, I'm a mama's boy. Right.
You know, and my mom like used to shield me from everybody. Like, nah, he ain't going nowhere.
Like,

Speaker 2 he can't go. They're like, why? Like, nah.
Because everybody was like, I was bad. So she would always be like, nah, you're going to stay here.
You know, because my mom prayed for me.

Speaker 2 She used to always say, I always pray for, because my two sisters is light-skinned. I always pray for a black son.
I want the black son.

Speaker 2 You know, my dad, my dad, light-skinned, my two-sister, light-skinned. I'm her black son.
So she always, like me and my mom, was like, like,

Speaker 2 but when my mom and my dad started getting into it, that's when she, you look like your dad. You just black.

Speaker 2 So it's like,

Speaker 2 my dad get me in trouble. You know what I mean? So, you know what I mean? But my mom, that was my, that's my heart.

Speaker 2 When you were growing up, did your mom tell you she loved you? Did she hug you? No, no, she ain't, she ain't, she ain't no, she ain't all that, that love and all that stuff. No, it was tough, love.

Speaker 2 Well, you had a roof over your head, you had food, that clothes, that's love, yeah. So, yeah, ain't no ain't no love.
She's been through. I asked her, I'm like, man, what's up with it?

Speaker 2 Why you don't ever tell me love? She just said, man, I don't like that word. She's like, I've been through a lot

Speaker 2 in my life. And

Speaker 2 you know what I mean? Love, love hurts. Do you remember the first time she told you she's proud of you?

Speaker 2 It was when I been grown. It was probably like 2017, 18.
Damn, bud.

Speaker 2 Hey, no, for real. Like,

Speaker 2 my mom is not affectionate. Okay.
You know what I mean? So she not about to be, oh, I love you. Right.
Hugging you and this stuff like that. No, she ain't.

Speaker 2 All right. You do something.
All right. I see you.
You going about that? Did that motivate you? Of course. Because a lot of times, a lot of times we want that.

Speaker 2 We want the person, that validation from the person that we respect and love the most. We just want to hear one time, I'm proud of you.
Damn, I love you. You doing good.

Speaker 2 Is that what you sought from your mom? Of course. Of course.
Everything that I did, like when I started

Speaker 2 doing right in school and not getting kicked out, she like, by time.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 damn, like, my sisters, they get put on this pedestal. Right.
You know what I mean? She made the honor roll, and it's all right, mama, I got A's and B's.

Speaker 2 You in the alternative school. I'm like, God damn.
You know what I mean? You posted,

Speaker 2 I have a good, good grade.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 yeah, but for sure, man, like, I used to, I used to get into it with my mom and be like, one day I'm going to be champion of the world. Watch.
Watch.

Speaker 2 When you told her that, what did you say? You ain't going to be shit.

Speaker 2 She'd be like,

Speaker 2 you're going to be just like your daddy.

Speaker 2 So, but

Speaker 2 the one thing that I noticed, like, when I come home, you know, and I had that belt

Speaker 2 on my shoulders,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 she'll have that belt and she'll be telling everybody, look what my son won. Wow.
Look what my son won. She never told you, but she told everybody else through her actions how proud she was of you.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But I wanted to hear, you know, tell me.
Yeah, yeah don't don't don't don't floss my belt you know what i mean come and come and praise me right you know so uh

Speaker 2 i just looked at it like you know my mom loved me like

Speaker 2 wholeheartedly right she just used that reverse psychiatrist to prove her wrong right because she knew that's what i needed to be successful I read that your mom used to pay the kids in the neighborhood to beat you up.

Speaker 2 She tried.

Speaker 2 They couldn't do it? To try.

Speaker 2 Because, like I said, it was a neighborhood full of kids. Right.
So we'll all be outside, you know, boxing and putting the gloves on, just like any typical neighborhood.

Speaker 2 And my mom knew that I was one of them tough kids. Right.
So she would, hey, if you can whoop them, I'll give you $5.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Anybody get paid? Ain't nobody whoop me.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Because she just knew her son was tough. Right.
Coming from a boxing family, she wanted to challenge me.

Speaker 2 You know, so she'd be like, hey, come here.

Speaker 2 I'll give you five dollars. You can whoop them.
And that made them fight harder. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, uh.

Speaker 2 Were the kids bigger than you? Were they older than you, or were they about your age? Both. No, I had kids that was older than me, bigger than me.
You know what I mean? My age,

Speaker 2 it didn't matter.

Speaker 2 When you're a kid, you just throw the gloves on and you just go. Right.

Speaker 2 So now all of a sudden you make that decision. Okay, you say, you know what? You've given up the other sports, football, basketball, boxing is going to be your thing.
Do you remember your first fight?

Speaker 2 Do you remember getting in the ring the first time, whether it's golden gloves or whatever the case may be, the amateur fights? Do you remember getting into that ring the first time?

Speaker 2 And what was going through your mind? Nothing.

Speaker 2 I was so like.

Speaker 2 You that lying? I had confidence. I won the first tournament that I came to, came back to, and I was a ringside nationals.

Speaker 2 Wow. I won that whole tournament, and I had just came back in 2002.
Right.

Speaker 2 Wow. So now, okay, boxing is it.

Speaker 2 Because once you got that adrenaline high, you won the whole tournament. It's over.
Ain't no turning back now, boy. So now you put, shift all your focus into boxing.

Speaker 2 You said, this is what I'm going to be. I'm going to be a prize fighter.
I'm going to be a professional fighter. Not yet.
Not yet, okay. Not yet.

Speaker 2 I always said I was going to be a world champion, but my mind wasn't there yet. Okay.
You know, I lost

Speaker 2 the Silverglove Nationals,

Speaker 2 and I lost to Michael Dallas Jr.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I remember

Speaker 2 me trying to fight him. Yeah.
And he just outboxing me. And I'm like, man, stop running.
Stop running. Like, I want to fight.
And then he fought Rashid Warren the next day, and he lost.

Speaker 2 And Rashid Warren, like everybody was around the ring. And they was just going blow for blow.
And Rashid hitting him with all these hooks. and i'm like man damn that would have me up

Speaker 2 like so so right there and there i'm like man i gotta get better

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 seeing all the the talent in the tournament i'm like man i gotta get better so i go to the gym and i just train train train and rosendo you know he had just beat danny garcia okay you know danny garcia stormed the storm the ring and um every tournament danny be like where your boy at?

Speaker 2 Where your boy at? You know, when we got a little older. But I was just like, I got to get better.
So every day, I'm competing with him. Right.

Speaker 2 You know, because Danny was a top amateur, too. I'm competing with him.
He's running, I'm running. He's doing push-ups.
I'm doing push-ups. He's doing pull-ups.
I'm doing pull-ups. So I'm competing.

Speaker 2 And I'm traveling the world. And I'm like, man, I can make something out of this because I'm hanging in there with these top

Speaker 2 kids from around the world. Correct.

Speaker 2 Boom.

Speaker 2 I get in a fight.

Speaker 2 I had to have surgery on my hand. Hold up.
Not in the boxing match, a street fight, outside of the ring. In school.
Okay. So boom.

Speaker 2 And that just stopped me. And they was like, man,

Speaker 2 you can't box for some months. You got to wait till your hand heal.
And I'm like, man, no, I can't do it. So at that time, I was already going to South Paul.
Right.

Speaker 2 But my laugh wasn't that strong. I was just going it because it just came natural to me.
So I was just like, work on your left.

Speaker 2 So you're not a natural South Paul. Nah.
You taught yourself. Right.
So I was just like,

Speaker 2 this is your weakness. You know,

Speaker 2 so I just started working on it. And then I've been in focus ever since.

Speaker 2 You had...

Speaker 2 I want to know, when did you realize, because sitting here talking to you and we talked in the ring earlier, that it seemed like you had a temper. Right.

Speaker 2 And one thing you can't have if you're a professional fighter is a temper because you can't get outside of yourself. How did you learn how to control that?

Speaker 2 How do you learn how to focus and say, okay, yeah, I'm upset, but let me channel this aggression. Let me use it for what I know it can be beneficial for me.

Speaker 2 Oh, man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 my temper was so bad, I used to have to see like

Speaker 2 psychiatrists and shrinks and stuff. Damn, bud.

Speaker 2 I used to flip. Oh, man,

Speaker 2 it was worse. It was, I got kicked off the USA team.

Speaker 2 I was having fights

Speaker 2 overseas and stuff against other teammates and getting into it with my teammates and stuff like that. It was just...
I don't know. I was just a known nonsense type of guy.

Speaker 2 I just didn't care. Like,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I honestly think when I had my first son,

Speaker 2 you know, that changed my life.

Speaker 2 And I started looking at life different because, you know, you had something to live for. Yeah, there you go.
I had something to live for. And I stopped not caring.

Speaker 2 I started caring a little bit because I looked at my dad and my situation like I got to be there for him because my dad wasn't there for me.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that's when I sat down and told myself, man, you got to control yourself. My uncle is a pastor.

Speaker 2 So he just put it in perspective of God got something bigger and better for you.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 you got a bright future. So you got

Speaker 2 two ways you can go. You can go the right way or you can go the left way.
And he just gave me an option. I was just like, I was sitting there and I was just mad.
I was just like, man, fuck.

Speaker 2 And then I was just like, man, all right.

Speaker 2 I started going to church a little more.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 I started fighting, but I wasn't fighting that much. So I was really getting down on myself because I'm like, man,

Speaker 2 man, I'm not getting no fights. Like, I got to go back in the streets.
I got to hustle. I'm like, man, what I'm going to do? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I'm like, man, I told Bolden, I said, man, I'm about to quit boxing. I was like, man, boxing ain't paying.
They ain't put no bill, ain't put no food, I ain't doing nothing. Yeah, and it's like

Speaker 2 God just started making things happen. I went to training camp with Tam Bradley.
Wow. You know, and that's the start of everything.

Speaker 2 I sparred Tam Bradley, and he like, man, you ain't no sparring partner. I'm laughing.
And he was like, man, he looking at me like, no, no, real talk. You can.
You not a sparring. You a world champion.

Speaker 2 Wow. It's like, you a world champion.
And I'm like,

Speaker 2 I'm like, bam, I just want to fight. Right.
He like,

Speaker 2 so they not giving you no fights. When the last time? I I said man.
I only fought like two times and four two years. I'm like, I probably fought two four times in four years two years.
Wow.

Speaker 2 And they was four-rounders.

Speaker 2 So I'm really not making no money.

Speaker 2 Fighting for pennies and stuff like that. I'm like, man, I can't be training boxing.
And, you know, not making no money.

Speaker 2 It got to make sense. Yeah.
So it was just like, I told Bo, man, I'm about to quit. So they called Bo.

Speaker 2 He sent me down there, talked to Tim.

Speaker 2 Tim called our manager up and he, like, what y'all gonna do with him? He was like, Could I buy him out of this contract right now? He was like, Y'all don't know what y'all sitting on.

Speaker 2 Y'all sitting on this, this, this, this dude, and this dude is, is, is cold. Right.
So, uh,

Speaker 2 Cameron was like, Don't nobody want to fight him, and he couldn't get no fights, and this and that, and that, and this.

Speaker 2 And so, uh,

Speaker 2 I went down to California. I was supposed to fight on a Golden Boy show.
They was going to sign me.

Speaker 2 The guy comes to the way is and say,

Speaker 2 man, that's Terrence Crawford. I know him.
I know him from the amateurs. He was ranked number one.
I'm not fighting him. Damn.

Speaker 2 Straight like that. I didn't made weight and everything.
I'm at 135 and I'm like, man.

Speaker 2 He like, I'm not fighting. He left.

Speaker 2 He left. So I'm stuck with no opponent.
They ain't give me no money. So the guy at 140, they had signed this guy.
So they had all this little money in them. And his opponent didn't even show up.

Speaker 2 So he's undefeated, but he fought at 140. I'm undefeated.
I fight at 135. I go to Goldman's and I'm like, hey, put us, let us fight.
I'm fighting. You know what I mean? I fight him.

Speaker 2 And he's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm like, whoever win, get the money.
Get the sign. You sign.
Okay. He already signed with you, but if I win, you sign me.

Speaker 2 and if he lose you cut him right they like no we got too much money in him and i'm like all right cool you know i mean send me home i don't even want to watch the fight send me home so they sent me home that's how i got with tyrant you know top rank gave me the opportunity and uh

Speaker 2 it's been up ever since wow you know we were talking in the ring earlier today Why people don't tussle no more.

Speaker 2 You know, back in the day, people just know, hey, you took ass whipping, you took ass whipping.

Speaker 2 Now ain't nobody trying to take no ass whipping they gonna let them things off on you you know why why social media really

Speaker 2 you know back in the days if you wasn't there

Speaker 2 you know you get somebody who lost yeah a person can be like man i whooped him he was bleeding

Speaker 2 lying his ass off yeah he was bleeding but he whooped you got one good hit but well not now you know uh social media then then came to a point where it humiliates a person forever. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, they always can bring bring up that, man,

Speaker 2 remember, you got to mean forever. Mean.
You know, and can't nobody just take an L no more. Don't nobody want to take an L.
Right.

Speaker 2 They ain't even worried about even the thought of them fighting on the streets no more. Right.
Like, man, I'm about to shoot you.

Speaker 2 You know, you got kids that's like 11 years old carrying guns, talking about, man, my ops. I'm like, bro, you're supposed to be in school.
Yeah. You know?

Speaker 2 And what makes it so bad?

Speaker 2 They're going to knock you off and they're going to go to this little juvenile detention center. They're going to get out and they're going to be like, hey, man, I caught a body when I was 11.

Speaker 2 And they sky-free.

Speaker 2 Because they not programmed.

Speaker 2 Their brain is not developed enough to

Speaker 2 give them life.

Speaker 2 They only doing what they see and they hear and what they told to do. So they following behind these young adults that's having these parents, I mean, these kids at a young age that

Speaker 2 don't talk to my kids like that. Don't say that to my kids.
Don't correct my kids because they're not your kids. Yes.

Speaker 2 So they let their kids just do whatever they want, you know, because they did whatever they want. And then that's how the society wrote.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because when I was growing up, the community, because, you know, hey, it didn't have to be a relative. You acting up, somebody that was older than you could tell your tail of.

Speaker 2 And then go home and tell your grandma, your mom, and you get another beating. Now, exactly what you said.
Don't talk to my child. You're not his.

Speaker 2 That's okay.

Speaker 2 You don't want me to correct him.

Speaker 2 There's a place that they'll send him that he'll get corrected. It's no respect.
When you look at today's world,

Speaker 2 the older people is... kind of scared of the younger people.
Yeah. Because the younger people is trying to make a name for themselves.

Speaker 2 You know, it's not no, oh, let me respect my elders. Yeah.
It's like, man, if you don't get your old ass out of here, that's exactly you down. You know, and

Speaker 2 it wasn't like that back in the days. It's like, hey, man, chill out, man.
All right. All right.

Speaker 2 You mentioned all the things that you went through and that you talked to people about the anger issues and the trauma.

Speaker 2 What would be some of the advice, bud, if you if somebody was going through something very similar to what Bud Crawford

Speaker 2 grew up in an environment and what he had to deal with. What was some of the advice you would partake on these?

Speaker 2 I just tell them, you know, always be positive and

Speaker 2 you need the right role models to look up to,

Speaker 2 you know, and

Speaker 2 the people that's going to come down and grab you by the wing and, you know,

Speaker 2 show you the ropes. You know, I think those

Speaker 2 people is very important because

Speaker 2 I have my coaches, I have my uncles, and things like that.

Speaker 2 If I didn't have certain individuals in my life, I don't know how my life would have turned out.

Speaker 2 So I'll just tell them, you know, stay positive and pick and choose who you hang out with and who you allow your kids to be around, you know.

Speaker 2 Is it true that you didn't want to fight in the Olympics? Never.

Speaker 2 Why? Because that never was my dream. You know, I always wanted to be a world champion.
Right. You know, I never wanted to be an Olympic gold medalist.
You know, I wanted to be.

Speaker 2 And a lot of people, it's the other way around. A lot of people like, I want to be a gold medalist.
And then they parlay that.

Speaker 2 You look at Sugar Ray and you look at Ali and you look at Frazier, you look at Foreman, and you look at a lot of, you know, Mark Breland, the 84 team. I don't know how closely you follow.

Speaker 2 That was the greatest boxing team ever assembled. Mildred Taylor and Sweet P.
Whitaker and all those guys. So that's odd that you said that.
I'm a leader, not a follower.

Speaker 2 So I never wanted to be like nobody else. I wanted to be a world champion.
Right. I wanted to go make money.

Speaker 2 When I look at

Speaker 2 the Olympics, you get what, a couple of hundred thousand, if that. When you look at,

Speaker 2 I always envisioned, but I was wrong. If you're on TV, you're making all this money and all this.

Speaker 2 It ain't true, huh? It wasn't true, you know. But

Speaker 2 when I got to a certain level, then I started making the type of money that I thought

Speaker 2 I would be making.

Speaker 2 But I always thought being on TV got you paid. Yeah, yeah, got you paid.
But it wasn't true because when I was coming up, I was mad because I seen all the people that

Speaker 2 graduated from the amateurs into the pro ranks was all on TV. Danny Garcia, Danny Jacobs, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 All these fighters, you know, getting they shine.

Speaker 2 and I'm like man

Speaker 2 these people can't even even people that wasn't even close to on my level I'm like man this dude how you get on TV and this dude close look at this dude like I will be so like frustrated that my career wasn't going the way you going away yeah and I always put in the work you know it don't matter what it anybody could tell you I'll be in the streets with the homies and I'd be like, all right, y'all, I got to go.

Speaker 2 I'm riding my bike to the gym. Wow.
Or I'm getting a ride to the gym. I always made it to the gym.
No matter what, I don't care what we was doing.

Speaker 2 You know, I always made it to the gym. That's why I always say, I always put it into work,

Speaker 2 but I didn't see the results until God said it's time for you to see the results.

Speaker 2 You know, so

Speaker 2 it was tough. Like, I never want to be an Olympic gold medalist.
I want to be a world champion to make money.

Speaker 2 Explain this to me. You undefeated undefeated as a pro.
You had 12 losses in the amateurs. How the hell did that happen?

Speaker 2 Man, amateurs is amateurs. Anything can happen.
You know, I lost my first two fights, you know, when I was a little kid. Then, you know, losing in

Speaker 2 national tournaments and things like that, it happens. Losing, not being in shape.

Speaker 2 Losing fights that, you know, I mean, because you from

Speaker 2 Omaha, Nebraska, and this guy from bigger city buy one point, lose one point here and one point there. You know, it's politics.
Politics plays a big factor in

Speaker 2 amateur boxing. Why didn't you become frustrated and give up? I wanted to, you know, but my coaches, like I said, they kept me motivated.

Speaker 2 You know, Bo always tell me, man, hey, bro, man, just keep crying. It's going to get greater later.
You know,

Speaker 2 don't give up. You know, and me having the faith and the belief in them, you know, and trusting the process, i just kept going

Speaker 2 you wanted to fight mandy pacquia i think you were like 27 28 when you wanted to fight pack why why didn't that fight happen

Speaker 2 i don't man i hear so many excuses like they didn't want it well

Speaker 2 freddie roach on the record saying he didn't want pacquia fight for one and uh

Speaker 2 i just think Top Rank wanted to protect Pacquiao because of the money issue. You know, that was their cash cow.

Speaker 2 But hell, you could have been their cash cow. Listen,

Speaker 2 they don't think like that.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they didn't want to mess up the money that they was getting from Pacquiao at the time. So

Speaker 2 other reasons, I don't know. What way were you guys going to fight at? 140.
140. Yeah.

Speaker 2 140. So I fought Derry Gene, and they said, you know,

Speaker 2 that was the marketing tool. Crawford beat Derry Gene.
he's gonna you know I mean potentially fight Manny Pacquiao Derry Gene was one of Pacquiao's sparring partners I stopped Jerry Gene and it's like

Speaker 2 I don't know if I want to fight him

Speaker 2 so I had to move on

Speaker 2 do you believe you'd have been had you fought Pacquiao

Speaker 2 done what you do done what you thought he think or know you could have done, do you think that would have sped up the process of Bud Crawford being in the position that he's in currently?

Speaker 2 Of course, of course. Like I said before,

Speaker 2 you know, I didn't have the Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Sugar Shane Mosley, and those

Speaker 2 guys that were marquee names in a sport of boxing to pass the torch. Nobody passed the torch to Terrence Crawford.
He took it up. Right.

Speaker 2 When you look at my career, I paved my own way.

Speaker 2 I didn't piggyback off of any fighter. You know, I fought my way up to the top.
When you look at, you know,

Speaker 2 any fighter from Floyd Mayweather to any of them, when Floyd fought Dela Hoya, you know,

Speaker 2 that was a whole big thing. He wanted to fight De La Hoya, but top rank didn't want to give him Dela Hoya, really, and initially.

Speaker 2 But when they met up, you know, Floyd was the B-side, and, you know, he beat Dela Hoya, and then he started rising to the top. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

Speaker 2 Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shether profile and I'll see you there.

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