Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 1

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another episode of Club Shea Shea on the Road.

I'm at the UFC Apex right here in Las Vegas, Nevada.

And the guy that's stopping by for conversation, and he's going to give me some pointers on how to throw punches and to have the right technique just in case something pop off.

He's the first male boxer in history to become a two-weight division undisputed world champion in the four-belt era.

He's the first male boxer in history to become a two-time undisputed champion, a three-weight ring magazine champion, a four-weight division world champion.

He's six-time fighter of the year.

He's won 10 world titles across four weight classes.

He's the undefeated, and he's the reigning WBA Super Welterweight Champion.

Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the pride of Omaha, Bud Crawford.

Oh, yes, he had you let your guard down.

I would have caught it.

I would have caught it.

Oh, hold up, but hold up, boy.

You circling me.

You circling, but don't do that.

But don't do that.

I would have caught it.

Look at that.

Don't do that.

Don't do that, bud.

I'm just going to go.

Hey, you see, hey, that's the A, the Cope.

All right.

You got me.

You got it.

I ain't falling, but

you good?

Good to see you, man.

How you been, man?

I've been great.

I've been great.

Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price.

Want a slice.

Got the roll of dice.

That's why.

All my life.

I've been grinding all my life.

You a sloup, right?

I'm whatever I need to be.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold Hold on, hold on.

Let me get my own.

Let me get this author dog.

Come on, Diane.

That's the theme.

That's the theme.

I'm going to take your right or

I'm going to just...

So I know you ain't got no left.

So I'm going to just...

How you know that?

Because you told me.

Don't lie.

I lied.

Look, I'm going to just take your...

I'm going to just...

Oh, look at that.

Look at that.

Look at that.

Look at that.

All right.

So here, tempo, I got to protect my temples, right?

Okay, so first and foremost, you two square.

you know i mean there you go now you gotta always know if you right here man i can hit you with every every punch in the book okay but if you right here you know i mean it's gonna be harder and you you slimmer okay you're hard you're a harder target got you all right now you big man you got the face you know i mean first and foremost your elbows out man you're gonna be getting hit with body shots

on your toe a little bit you know i mean just just your back one a little bit because when you when you when you punching you want to spring off you want to spring spring.

That's going to give you a little

spring and stuff.

There you go.

Relax, relax.

You know what I mean?

Then when you jab, you want to spring off of that one, and you just want to step and slide.

There you go.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I got a break.

I know you're back.

You're low-width.

You're late with it.

Yeah, yeah.

So I might bop.

You feel me?

Yeah.

So when you jab, you want to boom.

Just keep it tight.

Boom.

Don't pull it up too much because now you're straining yourself.

Just let it flow.

Boom.

You ain't even got to be hard.

You just let it flow.

Let it flow.

Yep.

Chin down a little bit.

Yeah.

Get that right there.

You want to protect your chin a little bit.

See, Ocho, Ocho talking about protect your temple.

See, Ocho, you done got me knocked out everywhere.

I got a professional here.

I know I shouldn't listen to Ocho talking about temple.

Protect your temple.

You're going to protect that.

You're going to protect that too.

But you, okay, protecting this, but how do I keep them getting body shot, man?

Because listen, you know what I mean?

If you got your elbows in, if you throw a body shot, throw a body shot.

You just drop them.

But if your elbows out here, if your elbows out here, and I, oh,

I can just touch you, you know what I mean?

I can just touch you with a little something.

Boom.

I call it.

Man, you got to tell me you're going to throw the body shot so I can brace.

I can see it.

I ain't getting the brace for that.

So when you hear, you just drop them.

You just drop them.

You just drop them.

Because you always want to keep your hands up.

You know what I mean?

That's like if I throw a jab, yeah, you just boom, boom.

You don't want, you want to stop.

You don't want to do that.

So, because you do that, I might fake you.

So, you, that's the faint you talking about.

Go come over the top.

See, there you go.

Just catch it.

Just catch it.

Yeah, there you go.

But not pulling out.

You pulling.

Okay.

Don't pull.

So, so, so, listen, you, you throw, I do this and back, right?

So, I'm boom.

See, I'm going to step in.

I'm going to step in and crack you.

So

if you got it here and you just here, you just hear here, and then I faint you, you know, boom, there you go.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Getting hit with something that you don't see.

Right.

The punch, the lot of punch that damn near always gives them out of there is that uppercut because it's coming from the blind spot.

Because I'm looking, looking, and then, you know, Tyson was good and notorious.

So bam, bam.

Or who else?

Lennox, nice uppercut.

So how do you protect against the uppercut?

Well, there's two things that you got to worry about with the uppercut.

You got to be in close to do it.

Now you throw it from distance.

You're right.

You're right.

But

this is another case.

Where I say you knowing your combinations.

Okay.

You know, and knowing who you fighting and knowing what combinations that they love to throw.

Okay.

Try not to get over this knee.

Which one?

Your front knee.

Okay, I'm too much over.

When you over that, when you, when you bending down,

that's when, that's when the, that's when the knee.

Okay.

Now, remember, I said not getting out of position.

Right.

If you in position, it's going to be hard to hit you with an uppercut because you can see it.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And if you do get hit, boom, you kind of want to

get back, you know what I mean?

Or step to the side.

So if we here and you sit down a little bit, you know I mean and I come here just open that

boom.

Oh, okay.

There you go.

You don't even got to do that But see, but see here's the thing though.

See, but you're gonna counter see what I knock this down.

Nah, I can't counter.

I can't counter what I'm gonna counter with.

Okay.

If I touch you with this, you got your hand up.

You know what I mean?

You can catch this and come over top of me.

Oh, okay.

Can't be teaching you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't be teaching you.

I can't be giving them too many jewels, man.

Give me some more.

You got a spot on the track.

Give me some more.

Give me some more.

He's like, give me some more.

Yeah, yeah.

I can't be giving you too much, Shannon, because now you're going to try to box and you're going to do the same thing.

No, no, no, no.

Sandy gonna come and call Jake Paul out.

No, hell no, no.

No, I gotta fight somebody that got liberty skills like myself.

Somebody that's in the 50s.

Don't know anything about boxing.

Okay,

you fight from the Orthodox or South Paul?

Both.

What do you feel most comfortable with?

Both.

So, okay, let's just say.

You fight from

the South Paul stance.

The Orthodox.

And I'm going to fight from...

The South Paul.

Or the Orthodox.

This is my Orthodox.

Yeah.

So you want me to fight for the South Paul?

Yeah.

So,

what are you trying to do?

Are you trying to stay in?

You're trying to stay inside or you trying to stay outside?

Are you trying to step on my foot?

I ain't trying to step on your foot.

It just depends on what I'm trying to do.

Okay.

Because a lot of times

you get a lot of headbutts with one guy's an Orthodox and the other guy's a South Paul, correct?

I can let you take the outside, you know what I mean,

and hit you with some shots.

And I can step on the outside and hit you with some shots.

So it just depends on what I'm trying to do at the moment.

Right.

I'm trying not to let you hit me with your power shot.

Which one ain't my power shot?

If you say,

I'm going to thank you, you'll left.

Okay.

So I'm gonna hit you with a power shot.

That's not with the left.

That's okay.

I don't feel it's got that same kind of sting, that same kind of venom.

Why do you think that?

Because

I just feel that.

Let me see.

Actually, this arm a little bigger.

Actually, the right arm is.

Let me take that.

They both do what they supposed to do.

Yeah, I know,

but I think that the right might have a little bit more power.

They both do what they supposed to do, I'm telling you.

If you watch the history, these mugs do what they posted.

Oh, yeah, you put them together now.

I put them to sleep with left hand.

Yes.

But what you can do is you can put punches.

Which one you want?

See.

This is a little big.

I'm going to hit me with this one.

They be scared of this one, so this one put them to sleep.

Yeah, but see,

your right is bigger than your left.

You know, yes, it the deals.

Look at it.

Nah, my left is bigger than my right.

Yeah.

Yeah, you see how you got here, dude?

That's the delayed reaction.

That's the delayed reaction that I'm telling you about.

I took your eye.

Yeah, I said,

what is that?

Yeah.

All right, so when you when you hook him,

you hear, you want to go on that toe and bring that one flat.

So this?

So you hear right here.

Say you want this back toe.

Remember, I told you to be on that back toe.

You know what I mean?

But

when you hook, you want to change your, you want to hook from the hips.

So when you hook, boom.

This toe is going to go up and this one is going to go down.

So you hear, and it's going to go boom.

So you can do a 45

or you can do straight.

Yeah.

So

you want to be a Mike Tyson.

So you want to be.

Because hold on because I like to think if somebody if I'm in the if I'm a I'm fighting in the hell I would be a heavyweight the guy He ain't gonna ain't no heavyweight your size unless what Joe Fraze, Joe Frazier would probably be Joe was about your height.

I'm sure Joe Joe wasn't that tall.

He wasn't like Ollie the 6'2 and now we got the super heavyweight 6'4 6'5.

You know 6'9.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So here, we're here.

Come from the shoulders.

Relax, relax.

Always relax.

Come straight from the shoulders.

Boom.

Open it up a little bit.

Bam.

But get that, there you go.

Yeah, so you want to come, everything you do, you want to come from the shoulders.

Boom.

Just turn it.

Hips.

Hmm.

Use your hips.

I did.

Oh, you got bad hips.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They artificial, I got hip replacement, but both be good right.

All right.

All right, you need some stretching.

You need some stretching.

Your hips is like this.

Hey,

I need a roll right now.

You gotta use your hips.

When you coming in there, you hear, boom.

And that's where that torque is going to come from.

The hips, your legs, all the way up in there.

So you square right now, so you like this.

So when you hear,

just bring it straight up.

Tight.

Yeah, but use your hips.

Turn it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm blown.

Fuck, there's about five of the motherfuckers in here.

He'd have hit me with everything.

He done come with the uppercut, left, the right.

Oh, man.

Oh, man, look at that.

I'm sweating.

He ain't eat, bro.

It's sweat.

No, it's all good, man.

It's hot in here.

The hardest thing, like, when you see, like, watching a fight, and you got in the corner, you tell him, bro, get out of the corner.

Get out of the corner.

It ain't just disease.

It's just like walking out the corner, is it?

Because I'm in the corner.

And, you know, I'm watching fights at home, and I see somebody in the corner and he's in trouble.

I'm like, bro, get out of the corner, get out of the corner.

But it's a lot easier said than done, isn't it?

Facts.

So,

getting out the corner could be difficult.

It depends on you know, if you hurt or not, right?

What type of fight are you fighting in?

But for the most part, let's say you South Paul, right?

Right.

Let's say I got you in the corner.

Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

You got three things you can do.

Right.

You can smother me.

No, no, smother me.

You can close the distance.

Right.

So it's like, here, let me get up under you.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

You got that.

You can grab me.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

You know what I mean?

You can grab me.

You can just step around and turn.

Step, step, and turn.

Oh, okay, okay.

You know what I mean?

Step.

Step around her feet.

Oh, you are really?

So you literally talking about...

Step.

Oh, and get you in the.

Yeah, there you go.

You can step in.

But if I'm hurt, I ain't.

But that's what I'm saying.

If you hurt, you better grab me.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Everybody think, oh, man, he a punk.

If you grab me, I'm going to grab you.

Right.

Bing!

Hold up.

Let me get my thoughts together.

Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

You know what I mean?

Then I get back to the center of the ring.

And then, you know what I mean?

Start all over.

Start all over.

You're going to have to work for it now.

You don't let me out of there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you know,

you want to do one of those.

When you're tired.

Another thing.

Bro, throw punches.

He in trouble.

It's hard to throw them punches when you're tired, bud.

Man, it is, but you gotta, that's why you gotta train.

You know, if you, if you train hard, then you shouldn't have them type of problems.

Really?

Or, you know, when you is tired, you didn't train so hard that you learn how to deal with being tired and fatigue.

You still be able to throw punches.

You know, and still being able to throw punches, you know.

When you tire,

does it get more difficult as the rounds go?

And let's say the pace?

Because a lot of this is determined by pace.

I mean, if it's a fight, you know, and it's, you know, you guys feeling each other out the first couple of rounds and so forth and so on.

Now, as the pace starts to pick up,

does it get harder to get someone out once you start to start to fatigue in the later rounds?

Yeah, for sure.

But at the same time,

we all didn't got tired before.

But now, that's when that second win kick in.

Do you know when someone's getting tired?

Of course.

Can you tell?

We all can, you know.

Well,

we can.

Right.

We can.

You know,

certain things, you know, body languages, and you know, when you you tie up,

when you tie up in

a clinch, you know, I mean, you can

be like, oh.

Oh, you tie her.

Yeah, you tie her.

Let me put a little bit more pressure on her.

Or are they not fighting the same level that they was fighting at earlier?

You know, or they just, you can tell that they're just trying to pace they self.

You taking all that information in.

Yeah, of course.

You in the street fight.

Right.

Let's go.

People that man, he ain't fighting for it.

Ain't no fair in no street fight.

Ain't nothing fair in the street fight.

Bottle, a brad, whatever the case may be, you're in a street fight.

I'm gonna hurt you.

See?

I don't want to hurt you.

I don't want to fight in the street.

I'm going to hurt you.

You know what I mean?

But

your hand was deadly weapons.

So you can't get in a fight.

It's best for you to just like, hey, bro.

No, I just be like, man, just chill out, man.

Because I'm going to fuck you up.

I'm over here, bro.

Hey.

I ain't on.

a

bro i ain't on what you on right now go ahead go ahead you got it you got it yeah you got it you got it that's because the thing order me because here's the thing bud people they look at you they look at your size yeah and that's the biggest mistake that you can make on somebody first thing i'm looking for i'm looking at his ears he got cauliflower ears you might be ufc to have you floppy to everybody now you're mean

i ain't worried about that

Yeah, but I'm saying though, bud.

See, you got hands like that.

Everybody got hands like that.

I'm looking at your hands and your body language.

Nah, but I see, but hey, I'm not going to let you get a phone.

I'm looking at the mirrors from a distance.

Even if I'm not on you, I'm looking at your hands and your body language.

That's the first thing I'm looking at.

Because we're in 2025.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

What?

What?

Ain't nobody fighting no more.

Dope.

So he's just like, man, man, listen, man, you good.

You got it.

Yeah, you just let it pass.

You got it, bro.

it ain't even like that yeah that's what i thought yeah you right you right bro you got it and i just leave peacefully yeah then when you come outside

no no if i leave peacefully i'm gonna get my car i'm gone

but that's the thing that i would tell people is that like if you getting into it and y'all once the voices start to rage bud and it's all that mofos and beating and we close i'll probably already punch you that's the thing yeah but you're not gonna let somebody close the distance i'm not about to argue with you way over there, though.

That's the theme.

Okay.

You know, I'm not about to.

That's that.

We used to call

people like that.

They scary.

Right.

Because they want everybody to

come in.

Hey, man, y'all need to stop, man.

But if we

do this, I'm like, what you talking about?

And we here?

We here.

We're not about to.

Man, what you say, Shannon?

Shannon, what's that stuff you said?

Man, Shannon, I'll beat you up.

Now everybody's going to break it up.

And now everybody

the more cake blows.

Listen, listen, listen.

All right,

we on the streets.

We not, we really.

Uh-uh, boy.

Uh-uh, boy.

What's it?

Yeah, that's what I want.

I want to move on.

I'm a little boy.

Sonny gonna be tired in a minute.

I'm already tired.

What you talking about in a minute?

Oh!

What you talking about?

What you talking about in me?

He's going to be tired in a minute.

He's going to be tired in a minute.

All right, now, Shannon.

Sit back, sit back.

Breathe, man.

Now, listen.

You did good that round.

Okay.

But you didn't do good that round.

Okay, okay, good.

I see what you're trying to do, but you got to keep your hands up.

Okay.

Go back to the bases.

Okay.

One, two.

One, two.

Okay.

Keep the jab up.

Okay.

Come on.

Get out there, Chant.

How many?

Hey.

How many more minutes we got, coach?

Hey, get out there.

You got another round.

Hey!

Okay.

All them muscles, I told you.

I told you you was going to get tired with all them muscles.

I told you.

And see, I'm little.

Yeah, see?

And you didn't get me out of there.

I got to get you out of the first round.

Now it's my turn.

You're going to be rolling around and stuff.

You're going to drag me to the deep.

Hey,

you're going to be rolling around talking about, I can't breathe.

I can't breathe.

I got asthma.

Like Tommy Hearn's had Martin.

Long ago.

Hey, you're going to be talking about you got asthma.

You ain't never had asthma.

I got asthma though.

Do you?

Oh, see?

I see.

I see.

I got exercise to do something.

You're going to be I can't breathe.

That's how them big dudes.

Motherfucker on my head, coach.

Hard times, I was broke.

Remember, Santo 504.

These days, when it's only thing that I know, failed so many times, now I'm sick and strong.

Took so many L's, now the money get out of.

You were bulljabbing and I did.

I was like, you threw a punch, I would do this, and I'm gonna come back.

He's like, man, that's a little ass punch.

Man, I'd hit you like seven, eight times.

All right.

So when somebody like that dragged, and Florida's good with that, like somebody throwing he probably bam

did you i mean how do you know what's coming and then how do you counteract that floyd is so good at timing people yeah he's got speed so by the time you already threw your hand out he already then seen it and he already in motion to hit you so only thing you can do is fop

just brace for it right you know what i mean so when you out of position floyd is good at getting fighters out of position right so when you out of position you know, I mean, you just got to eat it.

What is there's like, because a lot of people say, well, Floyd ain't got no power, but if he ain't got no power, why people ain't walk him down?

He did something to keep y'all up off him.

Facts.

Is power generated through speed or is it generated through sitting down

both?

You know, because

I can hit you with

something,

something fast and you don't see it, and you'll be like, oh, shit.

You know what I mean?

It's like whip flash, or I can hit you with something that you see, but I sat down on it and it's like, boom, and you're like, man, this motherfucker didn't crack me.

You know what I mean?

So it's both.

I mean, speed is power, though, but the ones that you don't see hurt you the worst.

Yeah, that's the thing.

That's what I tell people: like, what's the hardest you've been hit?

Well, I didn't see it.

Yeah.

I'm going here and I'm like,

bam.

Yeah.

Well, if I see you coming, I can brace for it.

I can brace for it.

You can feel the force and you can know that it was powerful.

Right.

You know, but.

But you took a a lot of the sting out of it because you braced for it.

But that one that you don't see,

when you're in the ring and you like, because the hardest thing is to stay focused once you're tired.

Is that and they, you know, Coach Lombardi once said, fatigue make cowards of us all.

So all of a sudden, now you're, because everybody feels good the first couple of rounds.

You're like, yeah, yeah, I feel good.

Hey, you're doing good, son.

You're doing good.

You're on your toes.

You're bouncing around.

Now we get round six or seven.

And now all of a sudden,

the punches start to uptick.

So instead of throwing 10, 15, 20 punches, now all of a sudden it's a 30, 40, 50 punch output.

Now you got to really stay focused because when you get tired, that jaw drop,

now you're in the middle of the ring.

So

how do you stay really?

Because I think the biggest thing is staying relaxed because

that takes a lot of energy.

It's something that

a lot of fighters, you know, struggle with, but being that I'm an experienced and I've been doing it for so long, I'm used to it.

You know, I'm used to staying calm in the storm.

You know,

all great fighters is used to it.

You got, you know,

it comes with experience.

I'm going to just say it come with experience.

You know,

some fighters you see they throwing 100 punches around and you know, they ain't got no look on their face.

It's because they've been doing it for so long.

You know, other fighters, you know, you see them breaking down and falling apart when they get tired, you know, and you know, that's when the inexperience comes into play.

When you're tired, you got to go back to the fundamentals.

Right.

You know, keep your hands up and stick to your guns.

That's the hardest thing because, you know, doing, and people like, man, three readers say nothing.

I was like, I'll tell you what.

Just hold your hand.

I ain't say throw no punches.

I want you to hold your hands just like this for three minutes.

And just move around the game.

That's it.

Now, do that.

And, you know, just shout out, but I ain't talking about, you you know, you got to throw no power and let me know how you feel.

Now do that for 12 rounds and see how you feel.

Yeah.

Three minutes doesn't seem like a long time, but when you getting stalked or you're stalking somebody, that's a long period of time.

Because the hardest thing that I found out, bud, that I stopped breathing.

I hold my breath.

And now here we are a minute and a half of the race.

I'm exhausted.

I'm exhausted.

So I couldn't, the hardest thing for me is that I couldn't relax.

Because when I run around, bud, I'm holding my breath.

I'm not breathing.

Catch the ball, run,

I start breathing again.

You can't do that in boxing.

I don't.

You can't do that in boxing.

And you can't say, coach,

let me take one.

What can I be doing?

Yeah,

you can't go on the sideline and be like,

let me take two players.

Let me get

you.

Yeah, yeah.

But I love it, though.

I love it, though, because, you know, I'm so competitive.

It's like I used to get into it with my teammates because of the wrong things that they was doing or they not working as hard as I am.

You know, if I want to win

so bad that I'm about to beat you up because you like, I don't care.

It's just one plate.

No, one plate can cost us the game.

Right.

You know, or you missing layups.

You know what I mean?

Like,

that's on the team like nah cut it out it's gonna be on me let me put it on my back at any point in time in your career i'm not just saying professionally your amateur career when you was a tot

did you feel that you went into the ring and you weren't prepared

most definitely

most definitely man i didn't lost fights as an amateur for not being prepared not being in shape and and they just outworked me i remember you know i mean going to the corner out of shape and i'm like man this dude this dude he couldn't fight.

Right.

You know what I mean?

But

he just punching.

And I'm out there trying to knock him out, winging and stuff.

And I'm just like, man, I don't never want to feel that feeling ever again in life because it's like, for one, it's embarrassing to be this top amateur and you losing to people that's just like, bro.

If I'm in shape and I'm trained to the best of my ability, I don't think nobody can beat me.

That's just been my motto my whole life since I've been working, like really working in the gym.

Because when you little, you come in the gym, you hit the speed bag, you play around with your friends and stuff like that.

And y'all go to tournaments and y'all just go to tournaments.

But when you start getting to that elite level and the amateurs, like everybody's good.

You know, you fight in different styles every day.

You fighting, you know what I mean, overseas and stuff like that.

So it changed my life and my training resume.

So everything was like hard.

Go, go, go, go, go.

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It's like, oh man, if I'm this, this Terrence,

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Wow.

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And then looking at the way Floyd Mayweather trained, that was so inspiring.

You know, how you know, he'll run from the strip club.

Like everybody thinks, you know, just because he out there partying, he don't drink or smoke.

Right.

He'll run from the strip club.

He's always working, just working, working.

And I just took that from Floyd.

Like, I just

work non-stop, non-stop.

Let back the roof, you see the smoke come out the ceiling.

All my dingers made a killing.

What it costs to get a million.

I'm living life for real.

Can't be out here moving timid.

They love to see you feel this.

Keep risky by the minute.

What gave Bud Crawford the confidence that he could be a world champion?

Uh, the doubters,

the doubters, and my belief in myself.

You know, I think me believing in myself and the heart that I pose within my chest that

I don't care who you is, if you ain't fought me, you can't, can't nobody tell me you can beat me?

Right.

You know, so it just always

being that I had a chip on my shoulder in every sport to prove like

I belong here or I'm better than these guys that y'all praising.

So

I just always carried myself like that.

You still have that now?

You won 10 belts over four different weight divisions.

You're a two-division, undisputed.

In the four-belt era, you're the only male that's done that.

You still have daughters?

You still feel you have something to prove?

Of course.

Of course.

Because they don't believe you're going to be able to do what you believe you could do in September.

Facts.

Facts.

And that's the joy in it.

You know,

proving everybody wrong.

You know,

having

the ability to see the look on everybody's face when everybody say oh man he's this he ain't for nobody or he's not that good or he's gonna get knocked out I've been hearing that my whole career you know and then when I succeed then it's also

so no it's not quiet it's excuse after excuse after excuse

so it's like I didn't fall everybody that everybody wanted me to fight But then it's, oh, you haven't fought nobody.

Okay, cool.

You know, I heard that.

Because when you fought Earl, man, that car wreck took everything he had out of him.

So if he defaulted three years before that, ain't no way Earl wiped the floor.

So let me ask you this.

In September, are you going to pull this?

I shook up the world.

I told you.

I told you.

I told you.

I told you.

I told you.

Definitely.

That's definitely going to be, you know what I mean, one of the moments.

And I just smile

because a lot of the people that personally know me, they know.

They like, man, I don't know why they doubting that boy.

Right.

You know, and it's cool, but I need that.

Right.

I need the doubters to fuel me.

I need the people to say, oh, well, look at his fight against Majimov.

You know, what you think he'll do if he go up two more weight classes?

I need that, you know, because that's going to make me.

more focused and turn into a different animal.

So I need the people to

say, I can't do this, or I'm not good enough, or I'm not strong enough, or

this person is going to knock me out, because that makes me get up and turn into Super Saiyan.

As you move up in weight, some of the time they'll say like, well, you move up in weight, you lose some of the power.

But do you feel that you'll still be able to maintain that level of quickness moving up two weight classes?

I mean, that's going to be 14 pounds, moving up 14 pounds.

Are you still going to be able to possess?

Because everybody everybody says, well, Canelo has power.

That's his natural fighting weight.

You're moving up.

That's not your natural fighting weight.

You have the speed advantage.

So are you going to be able to maintain that speed advantage and still be able to pack a punch?

Of course.

You know, I think, you know, if you can punch, you can punch.

Okay.

You know, it may not have the same effect that it did on a smaller guy, on a bigger guy.

But if you if you sharp, you sharp.

Right.

You know, and I don't got to knock them out.

I just got to beat them right a lot of people thinking just because a person punch harder than you know another fighter that they automatically gonna win.

No, it's a lot of fighters that

lost, you know, and they punch way harder than the fighter that they lost to.

Right.

Canelo's not just a puncher.

I don't know why.

That's that's what people believe, huh?

It's just like this.

They don't know boxing.

They just looking at him being strong.

The bigger man.

He's a great boxer.

You know what I mean?

People taking away from his boxing skills and just thinking that he's just this puncher when that's not true.

So that's why I laugh because we're not just looking at Canelo as a puncher.

We're looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter.

You know, he can take a punch, he can deliver a punch, he can counter punch you, he can box you, he can punch on you.

You know what I mean?

Good body puncher, good,

you know, fighter that got good balance.

he never getting out of position So we looking at all that

Where were you when you decided to say you know what my next great adventure

Canelo

It's crazy.

I don't even know.

I don't even know where I was at, but it was like I'm always willing to challenge myself

like

Like today with you.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

No, it's just this it's just in me the first thing he did.

He carried me.

Oh, I tackled you.

It's just it's It's just in me.

It's just the competitive nature in me.

You know,

if I was

sitting next to Michael Jordan, I'd be like, man, let's play one-on-one.

Let me see how many I can score on you.

That's just me.

So

accomplishing so much and failing to have

the many Pacquiao fights.

you know, the Kodo fights and

the Shane Mosley that all the other great fighters had when these fighters was on their way out, you know, that made them, you know, the star that they is.

Not having those guys

to share the ring with, it's like, oh man,

what can you do

to

leapfrog those fighters?

Why not go up three weight classes?

I wanted to go up three, just to be honest.

I didn't want to fight at 154.

I wanted to go.

So you want to go straight from 47 to 68?

yes i did it's documented i wanted to go from 147 to 168 just because

i want to challenge myself that's a yeah and that's and that's the joy of it that's the joy of it everybody's like man boy you crazy yeah you got to be crazier to think of things yeah because that not not a whole lot of guys i mean roy went from 168 to and he weighed the heavyweight um and and he i think he weighed 193 in that fight so that was basically i mean that's 25 pounds that he went up you'd be going up 20 you'd be going up 21 pounds and normally guys like

go up incrementally you know you fought it because i if i'm not mistaken i think sugar ray and durance fought it lightweight at 135.

i think no no no 147 yeah

because i know i know haggler i know uh Sugar Ray and Hagler, excuse me, Hearns, fought at 47, but Sugar Ray and Hagler fought at 160.

And I'm like, okay, 147, he go to 154, he go to 160.

We cool okay bud okay I like that bud think about going to super middle yeah

that's that's that's the excitement about it you know when I look at it like

I always had this this mind frame of the bigger they are the harder they fall okay I've been beating up big dudes all my life

they underestimate your book it's just even if they didn't

I'm gonna beat you up you know I can fight.

Right.

You know, so

if you watch, like, all these dudes bigger than me.

Yeah.

You know, like, I don't care, but I'm going to find a way to win no matter what.

Okay.

You win this fight, then what?

I mean, where you go from there, bud?

You can't go back down.

I might go to heavyweight.

No.

I just flash.

I just flash.

But who, I mean, I mean, once you, let's just say for the sake of argument, I'm going to say, you know, bud, you win this fight at 168.

You can't fight someone else.

You can't fight anybody at 147 because everybody will say, why is he fighting?

I can't make 147 either.

Anyway, you can't make 147 again?

No, it's over.

What about 54?

Junior Middle.

Man, we're going to go to 168.

So you're going to go to 168 to stay there?

I ain't thinking about nothing but 168.

Nothing but that.

168.

Is it over after that?

I don't know.

I'm not going to say that.

I'm not going to say that.

What'll be left?

I don't know.

That's what I'm saying.

You would have scaled to seven summits and finished off with my reference.

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You never know.

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How the hell you get the name Bud?

How you getting Bud out of Terrence?

Shit, you

asking me.

I asked my mom the same question.

She said that, you know, when I was a little kid, they used to call me Spud.

Okay.

She was like, don't call them Spud, call them Bud.

Okay.

It's stuck.

Ever since I was a baby, they've been calling me Bud.

Does anybody in your family call you Terrence or everybody just call you Bud?

Everybody call me Bud.

Nobody really calls me Terrence.

Well, we got Laporte up here, but you don't drink, you don't smoke, and you're getting ready for arguably one of your biggest fights.

So congratulations on everything, but we're going to get into it right quick.

You're from Omaha, Nebraska.

Omaha, Nebraska.

That's right.

And you never left.

What's special about Omaha to Terrence Carl?

Omaha is home.

Omaha is special just like any other city that any other athlete came up out of.

You hear a lot of athlete and a lot of people say, oh, well, I'm from Philly, I'm from Chicago, I'm from

Detroit or Texas, whatever, so forth.

I'm from Nebraska, I'm from Omaha.

And that's what I put on for.

And

that's where I give the most hope to the youth

at.

Did you ever, when you were growing up, like, man, I can't wait to get out of Omaha?

Because you see, a lot of people, like, you come, man, I couldn't, I can't wait to leave this.

I can't wait to leave that.

But it seemingly, as you mentioned, this is home, it's a very special place, and I'm not so sure you ever wanted to leave Omaha.

No, I just always said I can't wait to make it from Omaha.

Okay, okay.

Because Omaha is not a hotbed for boxing.

Omaha

is a place where when I used to go to national tournaments and we got the Nebraska team, they be like, oh, we got one.

We got one.

Got an easy one away.

We got an easy one a day.

You know what I mean?

So I wanted to change that narrative.

Right.

You know,

I did that 10 times for.

Describe Omaha for people that's never been to Omaha, that doesn't live in Omaha, for the people that's going to watch this, going to listen to this,

describe Omaha to them well first and foremost it's black people in Omaha

besides you and your family see that's what I'm saying

so let's let's get that out the way okay a lot of people you know when you say you from Omaha they be like it's black people in Omaha well Gabrielle you from Omaha Malcolm X from Omaha

Malcolm X great

Warren Buffett great you know Omaha is a place where you know it's not as fast as the bigger cities but you know we have the same things like any other big city.

We got crime, we got, you know, nice parts, we got the, you know, not so nice parts.

Not so nice parts, but you know, Omaha is a great place that you can raise a family at.

It's a nice place to visit.

Omaha is where it's at to me.

You and I was having a conversation off camera.

You say you got seven kids and you're just like, man, tell me this.

Where would you want to raise your kids?

You're like, LA is too fast, New York's too crowded, X, Y, and Z.

You say, Omaha, that's the best place that I can raise my kids.

For sure.

When I look at cities and I say, all right, would I want to raise my kid in that city, in that type of environment?

I'd be like, no.

You know,

I don't want to shield them, but at the same time, I want to kind of protect them from the world that

could be a negative vibe.

I like Colorado Springs as well.

You know, Colorado Springs kind of reminds me of Omaha type city.

But the best thing about Colorado Springs is

you can go to Denver and go to a football game and go to an NBA.

Because

ain't nothing but the Olympic boxing, the Olympic training facility and the Air Force Academy.

Right.

That's it.

In the Army base.

Yeah.

Fort Carson.

But then I can go back, you know, and chill.

Right.

You know,

see

some deers in the morning, see a bear here and there.

You know,

I like the wildlife.

Right.

So describe your neighborhood.

What was Bud Crawford's neighborhood like?

Oh, my neighborhood was fun.

You had all kinds of kids in the neighborhood.

Was it mainly black?

Was it mixture?

It was black.

It was black.

Okay.

Mainly blacks.

running around the neighborhood.

We fighting.

We been friends the next day.

We all playing sports together.

We

either on different teams and playing football or we on the same team.

We'll

all get our pads together and go in

the field across the street and be seeing who can run who over.

Or we playing, you know, Killerman, Two-And Touch, or, you know,

just being kids, you know, walking around the corner trying to get on the girls.

My neighborhood was fun, but you don't see neighborhoods like that no more.

No.

Did you experience racism?

I mean, because it's just a natural thing.

People think, like you said, you're like, okay, there are black people in Omaha.

There are black people in Omaha and in Nebraska, contrary to what you might have heard or what you might perceive.

So did you ever experience or come in contact with any racism?

Never.

Never.

I can't remember one time where I actually

can say that I experience

a person like calling me out my name.

Right.

Wow.

You know, now,

bias, yes.

You know,

being rude, yes.

But a person like, you nigger, you this and that, never.

Wow.

Never.

You know,

I can't say that.

And then for the most part, North Omaha is primarily black.

You ever met what you mentioned Warren Buffett being from Omaha.

Have you ever met Warren Buffett?

Yeah, plenty of times.

He gave you some great advice?

Yeah, Warren Cool.

Warren Cool.

He chill.

You know, we sit there.

We have little

meetings, little conversations, and he drinks his Coca-Cola and eat his popcorn and just like a regular person.

You know,

when people look at Warren, they'd be like, oh, man, this guy is like...

like so like smart and got so much money but he's just a regular person like us you know

How has being from Omaha, being from the neighborhood that you're from, that upbringing, how has that shaped the man we see sitting here today?

I think it made me more humble.

I think it made me more reserved in a sense of not trying to

get all up into the hype.

You know, when you see

people from LA, they all want to be Hollywood.

They all want to dress a certain way.

When you're the same way with New York, you you know, everybody, oh, I got to have these on, I got to do this, I got to do that, you know, and other cities, they want to be rappers, you know, oh, I got to have all the jewelry on, I got to have all the

rings and the bling, and, you know, I got to spend all my money on cars because that's what people like.

And I think being from Omaha have kept me grounded to the point where, you know,

I'm more business minded than worried about what everybody else thinks.

Did when you growing up in Omaha, did you see, see, because a lot of times, you know, in LA, you saw people with fancy cars and jewelry and nice clothes, same thing in New York and a lot of other cities.

Did you see anybody in Omaha that had jewelry, that had nice cars, that dressed a certain type of way that you like, man, I give me some money.

I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to do that.

Of course.

I think all of us have growing up.

But I was taught at an early age, you know, if you can have this car and this car, they both going to get to the destination at the same time.

Right.

You know, so if if you want to spend $500,000 on this car that's gonna depreciate and it's not an asset, or do you wanna spend $20,000 on this car that's gonna work just as well as this car and

cost less to fix it up?

Right.

And then buy you some assets on the side and then, you know,

plan for your future, or you can live for now.

Raised by a single mom.

how much of a challenge was that did you notice that you know being a single mom and there are probably financial struggles i don't know you know what was what was your you know what she did for a living but was it hard did you did you know that man

my friends might have something or did you go without meals did you clothing so what was that your upbringing as far as being a single you know being raised by a single parent well my upbringing was was was was cool because I have family that's supportive.

Okay.

You know, extended family that really.

Yeah, for sure.

My aunts, my uncles, things like that, my cousins.

My mom, you know, was married.

You know, my dad was in the military.

Okay.

So he would always send money home every month.

But at the same time, you know, sometimes that wouldn't be enough.

So I couldn't get the clothes that I want.

I couldn't get the shoes that I want.

So in doing so,

I will always get in a fights because people would talk about my clothes.

People always talk about my shoes.

So I'm like, all right, I didn't have the jokes.

You had them hands on the buds.

I done had a joke.

So, you know, when people calling me Dark Vader

and calling me oil spirits, stuff like that.

And then everybody laughing.

So you would have been the person I punched.

I'd have been like, oh, so it's funny, huh?

I got you.

But that's the thing, but Hoppitrish tried to figure out.

You will get mad at the guy laughing.

You get mad at the why the guy you get mad at the guy laughing.

I didn't tell the joke because you would be the one that drags it out.

So, so say me and you, you my homie.

You bagging on me.

Yeah.

You got the right because we friends.

Right.

You know what I mean?

But you, who is, man, who is this dude?

Why are you laughing?

And he just dragged.

Now everybody else laughing because they laughing at how he dragging it out.

Yo.

Shut up.

Now everybody laughing at you.

So you got into it a lot growing up as a kid, huh?

And I fought a lot.

I fought a lot.

So

you fight in school, you fight outside of school.

Right.

When did your mom say, hey, son,

you got to channel this?

Let's get you into something that you can channel this anger.

What did you think this stemmed from?

My dad not been there.

And my mom wasn't the one that got me in boxing.

Really?

Really?

So the owner of the gym lived right behind me.

Okay.

So me being in the neighborhood,

running around the neighborhood back, he will always try to get all the little kids to do something positive.

So he had boxing down there.

He had singing.

He had dancing, talent shows, tickets to go sell raffle tickets, you know, so we can have some money.

And he was a big

influence

person

in the community.

He still is to this day.

He stopped me and a couple of friends that asked, did we want to box?

I ran home like, hey, man,

some stranger missing me

trying to talk to me.

He knocking on the door.

And when he come in, everybody greeting him.

I'm like, this is the dude I'm telling y'all.

They like, oh, well, your dad and your uncle box for him.

Yeah.

Right.

You know.

So boxing kind of ran in your family.

So your uncle boxed, your dad boxed.

Okay.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

So that was you, that was you pre-ducked you, so you had no choice but to be a boxer?

For sure, definitely.

So

my mom asked me, did I want to go?

And I told her, yeah.

So I go down there, start boxing.

I get throughout.

Why you got thrown out?

So the coach, the coach and me bumped heads because

I was this kid like,

you're not about to be cussing at me.

Okay.

Yelling at me, telling me, get your little badass over there and do them push-ups.

Like, who are you talking to?

You ain't my daddy.

Like, you ain't about to be cussing at me.

So we clash and he kicked me out.

So I'm like, whatever.

I come back to the gym.

I'm hitting a speed bag.

He's like, didn't I tell you a little badass?

Don't just be hitting them bags without no gloves and this and that.

And I start arguing with him again.

I'm like, man, this ain't your gym, man.

It's Carl's gym.

You know,

you're just a coach here.

So we're arguing, we're bumping heads.

Man, he kicked me out.

I was out for like five years.

Damn.

Yeah.

Because I didn't care.

I just went to the other sports.

Right.

You know, and

in 2002, they made these little pamphlets with my face on it, like I'm some kind of feed your children.

You got to see it.

Come on, man.

Hey, man, it goes CW needs you.

And I'm on the

ash lips and all.

And

it's like they try to sell me.

So I come back, you know, I'm like, man, I'm not boxing, man.

So everybody's just all trying to get me to come back.

My guy, Resindo, he's Mexican.

He was boxing at the time.

He was running through all the little kids in the gym.

And they like, man, when you was here, you was the baddest little kid in there.

But man, we got this little Mexican down oh called the body snatcher he dropping everything and i'm like man i don't care what y'all talking about man i'll come in there and whoop him so we going back and forth and we got this thing called man family night that uh we we throw to raise money for the for the gym

and uh they like well we got family night come down there I'm like, what?

I come down there.

Like, they like, ah, man, you ain't coming down there.

You scared.

What I'm scared for.

So they basically challenged me to come back to the gym.

So,

I come down there, he getting out the ring, he had already sparred.

I was mad.

I'm like, Man, I came all the way down here, and he already getting out the gym.

I didn't see him fighting or nothing.

They like, well, come back to the gym.

So, I come back to the gym.

I'm like, all right, let's spar.

And man, all right, there's no one you got.

I'm like, oh man, here we go again.

Here we go again.

Here we go again.

But I'm older now, so I'm like, all right.

So then I started training, and I've been back ever since.

Did you take back over to gym?

Old boy drop you?

No, he didn't drop nothing.

He knocked the wind out of me.

He didn't drop that.

But we always compete.

Right.

And, you know,

that definitely took me to the next level.

Your story is very unique because you grew up in a very matriarchal mom, grandma, aunt, sister.

What was that like?

Because you said a lot of, you believe a lot of your troubles stemmed from not having your father there, not having that dominant male figure for the time being until the boxing coaches came into your life.

So, what was it like?

So,

your mom, I mean, normally sometimes, you know, like you said, you know, you do it.

It's something about a father's voice,

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Ah, mom, you play.

I'm going to go on and do what I want to do.

I don't leave you.

No, my mom was tough.

Man, I used to get whooped all the time.

You know, I mean, my mom wasn't having it, you know, but the thing is, it was hard because I didn't have no brothers.

Oh, you know, I had older cousins, but I didn't have no brothers.

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You know what I mean?

I'm trying to talk to somebody.

At least I want somebody to have a coffee.

So it's just like, all right, man, I'm leaving the house.

So then it got to the point where I started leaving the house.

My mom asked me, where you at?

And

I'm at the fishing pond.

I'm fishing.

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Transitioning from me just sitting in the house to me being outside.

Right.

You say your dad was in the military.

How often did you see your dad?

My dad used to come like probably once, twice a year,

because he'd be out to sea for like six months.

Wow, so he's in the Navy.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

That also shaped you.

I used to flip out.

Man, when he leave.

Oh.

So, because it's crazy because my dad, like, when he used to come home, he used to be on for like five days.

That's it?

Man, you gone for like six months.

And home for five days.

I figured at least two weeks.

Because he lived in Virginia.

Okay.

You know, so he lived in Virginia and we lived in Omaha.

So I used to flip out.

It used to be so bad where they used to take me out of school to go send my dad off because I flip out.

Right.

You know, and did you ever want to go with him?

Did you ever want to go back to Virginia with him?

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

Your mom said no.

Nah, she ain't about to send her kids out there.

So

we actually did go, me and my sister.

Okay.

You know, my mom was like, all right, forget it.

You know, here,

TT and Bud, y'all want to go out there so bad?

My other shit, she don't care.

She don't care about none of that.

So we go out there and they had a hurricane.

It was bad.

Wow.

You know what I mean?

Tore up the trees and stuff.

We didn't have no lights,

no water, no nothing for like, man,

two weeks, but it lasted for like a month.

Wow.

And that two weeks, my mom was like, man, send my motherfucking kids back home.

So then we moved back home.

Right.

We ain't never go back to Virginia.

Do you think you would have become the bud that we see here today had your father been in your life?

Because it seemed like a lot of times chaos and turmoil shapes us into the people.

We don't see it at the time, but a lot of that, that anger and what you had, you was able to channel it.

You was able to focus it and become a multi-world champion.

Yeah.

How different do you think your life would have been had your dad been there every single day?

How I think my life would have been.

Yeah, how different would your life have been now?

Definitely different.

You know, I definitely think I'll still be.

You still be a workout?

But I think, you know, I mean, I'll be more successful.

Really?

Yeah.

Like, my dad was like

way different.

Really?

Yeah, like, I think I got in

more trouble being that he wasn't there

because when I got to a certain age, it was like, mom, you ain't whooping me no more.

You got to put that belt down.

I don't know what you're raising that belt for.

You know, and being that my dad never whooped me.

Right.

You know, he always talked to me and gave me a solution.

Oh, okay.

You know, you're like, A.T.,

why are you doing that?

You know, he always wanted to know why.

Right.

My mom, she didn't care.

She was just like, oh, so you want to do this?

Right.

Wow, why?

Oh, you think you're a man, huh?

So it didn't got to the point where I go to school, you say something I don't like.

Damn, boy.

Because that's what I was taught as a kid.

If I said something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass whooped.

If I did something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass whooped.

You know what I mean?

So every time it was something negative, I was getting my ass whooped.

So I carried that on in my life when I was with my peers.

Right.

What?

Say something?

Oh, really?

Because that's all I knew.

Right.

Did you feel your mom?

Did you feel like it was excessive?

Did you feel your mom sometimes whip you for no reason?

Because you said that sometimes you just say stuff and it was boom if you did something boom you're like damn mom i can't do anything did you feel like you can do anything right no no you feel like you deserve every ass whooping hell no

it was a lot of times that i didn't even do my mom be like oh i know your ass was gonna do something

but the crazy thing about it is I'm a mama's boy.

Right.

You know, and my mom like used to shield me from everybody.

Like, nah, he ain't going nowhere.

Like, he, he, he can't go.

Right.

They're like, why?

Like, nah, because everybody was like, I was bad.

So she would always be like, nah, you're going to stay here.

You know, because my mom prayed for me.

She used to always say, I always prayed for, because my two sisters is light-skinned.

I always pray for a black son.

I want the black son.

You know, my dad, my dad, light-skinned it.

My two sisters, light-skinned.

I'm her black son.

So she always, like, me and my mom was like, like,

that.

But when my mom and my dad started getting into it, that's when she,

you look like your dad.

You just black.

You know what I mean?

So it's like,

my dad, get me in trouble.

You know what I mean?

So, you know what I mean?

But my mom,

that's my heart.

When you were growing up, did your mom tell you she loved you?

Did she hug you?

No, no, she ain't.

She ain't all that.

She ain't all that.

That love and all that stuff.

No, it was tough, love.

Well, you had a roof over your head.

You had food, you had clothes.

That's love.

Yeah.

So, yeah,

ain't no love.

She's been through.

I asked her, I'm like, man, what's up with why you don't ever tell me love?

She just said, man, I don't like that word.

She's like, I've been through a lot

in my life.

And

you know what I mean?

Love, love hurts.

Do you remember the first time she told you she's proud of you?

It was when I've been grown.

It was probably like 2017, 18.

Damn, bud.

That's wrestling.

Hey, no, for real.

Like,

my mom is not affectionate.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

So she's not about to be, oh, I love you.

Right.

Hugging you and this stuff like that.

No, she ain't.

All right.

You do something.

All right.

I see you.

And go on about it.

Did that motivate you?

Of course.

Because a lot of times, a lot of times we want that.

We want the person, that validation from the person that we respect and love the most.

We just want to hear one time, I'm proud of you.

Damn, I love you.

You doing good.

Is that what you sought from your mom?

Of course.

Of course.

Everything that I did, like when I started

doing right in school and not getting kicked out, she like, by time.

Like,

damn, like, my sisters, they get put on this pedestal.

Right.

You know what I mean?

She made the honor roll.

And it's, all right, mama, I got A's and B's.

You in the alternative school.

I'm like, God damn.

You know what I mean?

You posted.

I have good grade.

Good grade, right?

So,

yeah, but for sure, man, like,

I used to get into it with my mom to be like, one day I'm going to be champion of the world.

Watch.

Watch.

When you told her that, what did she say?

You ain't going to be shit.

She'd be like,

you're going to be just like your daddy.

So, but, but the one thing that I noticed, like, when I come home, you know, and I had that belt

on my shoulders, you know,

she'll have that belt and she'll be telling everybody, look what my son won.

Wow.

Look what my son wants.

She never told you, but she told everybody else through her actions how proud she was of you.

Yeah.

But I wanted to hear that.

You got it.

Tell me.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't, don't, don't, don't floss my belt.

You know what I mean?

Come and praise me.

Right.

You know, so

I just looked at it like, you know my mom loved me like

wholeheartedly right she just used that reverse psychiatry to prove her wrong right because she knew that's what i needed to be successful i read that your mom used to pay the kids in the neighborhood to beat you up she tried

they couldn't do it to try because like i said it was a neighborhood full of kids right so we'll all be outside you know, boxing and putting the gloves on, just like any typical neighborhood.

And my mom knew that I i was one of them tough kids right so she'd

hey if you can whoop them i give you five dollars you know what i mean anybody get paid ain't nobody whooping

you know what i mean because she just knew her son was was tough right coming from a boxing family she wanted to challenge me you know so she'd be like hey come here i give you five dollars you can whoop them And that made them fight harder.

Yeah.

So, uh.

Were the kids bigger than you?

Were they older than you or or were they about your age?

Both.

No, I had kids that was older than me, bigger than me.

You know what I mean?

My age,

it didn't matter

when you're a kid, you just throw the gloves on and you just go, right.

So, now all of a sudden, you make that decision, okay.

You say, you know what, you've given up the other sports, football, basketball, boxing is going to be your thing.

Do you remember your first fight?

Do you remember getting in the ring the first time, whether it's golden gloves or whatever the case may be, the amateur fights?

Do you remember getting into that ring the first time?

And what was going through your mind?

Nothing.

I was so like.

You that lucky?

I had confidence.

I won the first tournament that I came to, came back to.

Now it was a ringside nationals.

Wow.

I won that whole tournament and I had just came back in 2002.

Right.

Wow.

So now, okay, boxing is it.

Because once you got that adrenaline high, you won the whole tournament.

It's over.

Ain't no turning back now, boy.

So now you put, shift all your focus into boxing.

You said, this is what I'm going to be.

I'm going to be a prize fighter.

I'm going to be a professional fighter.

Not yet.

Not yet.

Okay.

Not yet.

I always said I was going to be a world champion, but my mind wasn't there yet.

Okay.

You know, I lost in

the Silver Glove Nationals.

And I lost to Michael Dallas Jr.

And

I remember

me trying to trying to fight him.

Yeah.

And he just outboxing me.

And I'm like, man, stop running.

Stop running.

Like, I want to fight.

And then he fought Rashid Warren the next day, and he lost.

And Rashid Warren, like everybody was around the ring, and they was just going blow for blow.

And Rashid hitting him with all these hooks.

And I'm like, man, damn, that nigga would have fucked me up.

So, so, right there and there, I'm like, man, I got to get better.

So

seeing all the talent in the tournament, I'm like, man, I got to get better.

So I go to the gym and I just train, train, train.

And Rosendo, you know, he had just beat Danny Garcia.

Okay.

You know, Danny Garcia

stormed the ring.

And

every tournament, Danny be like, where your boy at?

Where your boy at?

You know, when we got a little older.

But I was just like, I got to get better.

So every day I'm competing with him.

Right.

You know, because Danny was a top amateur too.

I'm competing with him.

He running, I'm running.

He doing push-ups.

I'm doing push-ups.

He's doing pull-ups.

I'm doing pull-ups.

So I'm competing and I'm traveling the world.

And I'm like, man, I can make something out of this because I'm hanging in there with these top

kids from around the world.

Correct.

Boom.

I get in the fight.

I had to have surgery on my hand.

Hold up.

Not in the boxing match, a street fight outside of the ring.

In school.

Okay.

So boom.

And that just stopped me.

And they was like, man, you can't box.

And for some months, you got to wait till your hand here.

And I'm like, man, no, I can't do it.

So at that time, I was already going South Paul.

Right.

But my left wasn't that strong.

Right.

I was just going it because it just came natural to me.

So I was just like,

work on your left.

So you're not a natural South Paul.

Nah.

You taught yourself.

Right.

So I was just like,

this is, this is your weakness.

You know,

so I just started working on it and then I've been in focus ever since.

You had,

I just want to know, when did you realize, because sitting here talking to you and we talked in the ring earlier, that it seemed like you had a temper.

Right.

And the one thing you can't have if you're a professional fighter is a temper because you can't get outside of yourself.

How did you learn how to control that?

How do you learn how to focus and say, say, okay, yeah, I'm upset, but let me channel this aggression.

Let me use it for what I know it can be beneficial for me?

Oh, man, I don't know.

Like,

my temper was so bad, I used to have to see like

psychiatrists and shrinks and stuff.

Damn, bud.

I used to flip.

Oh, man, I was, it was, it was worse.

It was, was, I got kicked off the USA team.

Having fights

overseas and stuff against other teammates and getting into it with my teammates and stuff like that.

It was just, I don't know.

I was just a no-nonsense type of guy.

I just didn't care.

Like, you know,

I honestly think when I had my first son,

You know, that changed my life.

And I started looking at life different because, you know.

you had something to live for.

Yeah, there you go.

I had something to live for.

And I stopped not caring.

I started caring a little bit because I looked at my dad and my situation like I got to be there for him because my dad wasn't there for me.

So

that's when I

sat down and told myself, man, you got to control yourself.

My uncle is a pastor.

So he just put it in perspective of God got something bigger

and better for you.

You know,

you got a bright future.

So you got

two ways you can go.

You can go the right way or you can go the left way.

And he just gave me an option.

I was just like, I was sitting there and I was just mad.

I was just like, man, fuck.

And then I was just like, man, all right.

I started going to church a little more.

And then

I started fighting, but I wasn't fighting that much.

So I was really getting down on myself because I'm like, man,

man, I'm not getting no fights.

Like, I got to go back in the streets.

I got to hustle.

I'm like, man, what I'm going to do?

You know what I mean?

I'm like, man, I told Bowden, I said, man, I'm about to quit boxing.

I was like, man, boxing ain't paying me.

They ain't put no bill.

Ain't put no food on it.

He ain't doing nothing.

Yeah, and it's like

God just started making things happen.

I went to training camp with Tam Bradley.

Wow.

You know, and that's the start of everything.

I sparred Tam Bradley, and he like, man, you ain't no sparring partner.

I'm laughing.

And he was like, man, he looking at me like, no, no, real talk.

You can.

You not a spot.

You a world champion.

Wow.

It's like, you a world champion.

And I'm like,

I'm like, man, I just want to fight.

Right.

He like.

So they not giving you no fights.

When the last time I said, man, I only fought like two times and four, two years.

I'm like, I probably fought two, four times in two years.

Wow.

And they was four-rounders.

So I'm really not making no money.

Fighting for pennies and stuff like that.

I'm like, man, I can't be training boxing.

And, you know, not making no money.

You got to make sense.

Yeah.

So it was just like, I told Bo, I mean, I'm about to quit.

So they called Bo.

He sent me down there, talked to Tim.

Tim called our manager up and he like, what y'all going to do with him?

He was like, because I'll buy him out of this contract right now.

He was like, y'all don't know what y'all sitting on.

Y'all sitting on

this dude and this dude

is cold.

Right.

So

Cameron was like, don't nobody want to fight him.

And he can't get no fights and this and that and that and this.

And so

I went down to California.

I was supposed to fight on a Golden Boy show.

They was going to sign me.

The guy comes to the way is and say,

man, that's Terrence Crawford.

I know him.

I know him from the amateurs.

He was ranked number one.

I'm not fighting him.

Damn.

Straight like that.

I didn't made weight and everything.

I'm at 135.

And I'm like, man,

he like, I'm not fighting.

He left.

He left.

So I'm stuck with no opponent.

They ain't give me no money.

So the guy at 140, they had a scientist guy.

So they had all this little money in them.

And his opponent didn't even show up.

So he's undefeated, but he fight at 140.

I'm undefeated.

I fight at 135.

I go to Goldman's and I'm like, hey, put us, let us fight.

I'm fighting.

You know what I mean?

I fight him.

And he's like, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm like, whoever win, get the money.

Get the sign.

You sign him.

He already signed with you, but if I win, you sign me.

And if he lose, you cut him.

Right.

They like, no, we got too much money in him.

And I'm like, all right, cool.

You know what I mean?

Send me home.

I don't even want to watch the fight.

Send me home.

So they sent me home.

That's how I got with Tyrank.

You know, Tyrank gave me the opportunity and

it's been up ever since.

Wow.

You know, we were talking in the ring earlier today.

Why people don't tussle no more?

You know, back in the day, people just know, hey, you took ass whipping, you took ass whipping.

Now ain't nobody tried to take no ass whipping.

They're going to let them things off on you.

You know why?

Why?

Social media?

Really?

You know, back in the days, if you weren't there.

You didn't know you could get tell me who lost.

Yeah, a person can be like, man, I whooped him.

He was bleeding.

Lying his ass.

He was bleeding, but he whooped you.

Now, you know,

social media then came to a point where it humiliates a person forever.

Yeah.

You know, they always can bring up that, man,

remember, you got me.

You're mean forever.

Mean.

You know, and can't nobody just take an L no more.

Don't nobody want to to take a L right they ain't even worried about even the thought of them fighting on the streets no more right like man I'm about to shoot you you know you got kids that's like 11 years old carrying guns talking about man my ops I'm like bro you supposed to be in school yeah you know and what make it so bad

they gonna knock you off and they gonna go to this little juvenile detention center they're gonna get out and they're gonna be like hey man I caught a body when I was 11

And they scoff-free

because they not programmed.

Their brain is not developed enough to

give them life, you know, and

they only doing what they see and they hear and what they told to do.

So they following behind these.

these young adults that's having these parents, I mean, these kids at a young age that

don't talk to my kids like that.

Don't say that to my kids.

Don't correct my kids because they're not your kids.

Yes.

So they let their kids just do whatever they want, you know, because they did whatever they want.

And then that's how the society wrote.

Yeah, because when I was growing up, the community, because, you know, hey, it didn't have to be a relative.

You acting up, somebody that was older than you could tell your tail up.

And then go home and tell your grandma, your mom, and you get another beating.

Now, exactly what you said.

Don't talk to my child.

You're not his.

That's okay.

You don't want me to correct him.

There's a place that they'll send him that he'll get corrected.

It's no respect.

When you look at today's world,

the older people was kind of scared of the younger people.

Yeah.

Because the younger people was trying to make a name for themselves.

You know, it's not no, oh, let me respect my elders.

Yeah.

It's like, man, if you don't get your old ass out of here, that's exactly lay you down.

You know, and it wasn't like that back in the days, right?

It's like, hey, man, chill out, man.

All right, all right.

You mentioned all the things that you went through and that you talked to people about the anger issues and the trauma.

What would be some of the advice, bud, if you if somebody was going through something very similar to what Bud Crawford

grew up in and environment and what he had to deal with, what was some of the advice you would partake on these?

I just tell them, you know, always be positive and

you need need the right role models to look up to,

you know, and

the people that's going to come down and grab you by the wing and, you know,

show you the ropes.

You know, I think those

people is very important

because

I have my coaches, I have my uncles and things like that.

If I didn't have...

certain individuals in my life.

I don't know how my life would have turned out.

So I'll just tell them, you know, stay positive and pick and choose who you hang out with and who you allow your kids to be around, you know.

Is it true that you didn't want to fight in the Olympics?

Never.

Why?

Because that never was my dream.

You know, I always wanted to be a world champion.

Right.

You know, I never wanted to be an Olympic gold medalist.

You know, I wanted to be.

And a lot of people, it's the other way around.

A lot of people like, I want to be a gold medalist.

And then they parlay that.

You look at Sugar Ray, you look at Ali, and you look at Fraser, you look at Foreman, and you look at a lot of, you know, Mark Breland, the 84 team.

I don't know how closely you follow.

That was the greatest boxing team ever assembled.

Mildrick Taylor and Sweet P.

Whitaker and all those guys.

So that's odd that you said that.

I'm a leader, not a follower.

So I never wanted to be like nobody else.

I wanted to be a world champion.

I wanted to go make money.

When I look at

the Olympics, you get

a couple of hundred thousand of that.

when you look at

I always envisioned but I was wrong if you on TV you making all this money and all this and uh it ain't true.

It wasn't true, you know, but

when I got to a certain level, then I started making the type of money that I

dreamed be making,

but I always thought being on TV got you paid.

Yeah, yeah, got you paid, but it wasn't true because when I was coming up, I was was mad because I seen all the people

that

graduated from the amateurs into the pro ranks was all on TV.

Danny Garcia, Danny Jacobs, you know what I mean?

All these fighters, you know, getting they shine.

And I'm like, man.

These people can't even even people that wasn't even close to on my level.

I'm like, man, this dude, how you get on TV?

And this dude ain't even close.

Look at this dude.

Like, I will be so frustrated that my career wasn't going the way you were.

Going away.

Yeah.

And I always put in the work.

You know, it don't matter what it would, anybody can tell you.

I'll be in the streets with the homies, and I'll be like,

all right, y'all, I got to go.

I'm riding my bike to the gym.

Wow.

Or I'm getting a ride to the gym.

I always made it to the gym.

No matter what.

I don't care what we was doing.

You know, I always made it to the gym.

That's why I always say, I always put it in the work,

but I didn't see the results until God said it's time for you to see the results.

You know, so

it was tough.

Like, I never wanted to be an Olympic gold medalist.

I want to be a world champion to make money.

Explain this to me.

You undefeated as a pro.

You had 12 losses in the amateurs.

How the hell that happened?

Man, amateurs is amateurs.

Anything can happen.

You know, I lost my first two fights, you know, when I was a little kid.

Then, you know, losing in

national tournaments and things like that, it happens.

Losing, not being in shape.

Losing fights that, you know, I mean, because you

from

Omaha, Nebraska, and this guy from bigger city by one point, lose one point here, one point there.

You know, it's politics.

Politics plays a big factor in

amateur boxing.

Why didn't you become frustrated and give up?

I wanted to, you know, but my coaches, like I said, they kept me motivated.

You know, Bo always tells me, man, hey, bro, man, just keep crying.

It's going to get greater later.

You know,

don't give up.

You know, and me having the faith and the belief in them, you know, and trusting the process, I just kept going.

You wanted to fight Maddie Pack.

I think you were like 27, 28 when you won the fight PAC.

Why didn't that fight happen?

I don't, man, I hear so many excuses.

Like, they didn't want it.

Well,

Freddie Roach on their record saying he didn't want Pacquiao to fight for one.

And

I just think Top Rank wanted to protect Pacquiao because of the money issue.

You know, that was their cash cow.

And,

you know.

But hell, you could have been their cash cow.

Listen.

They don't think like that, you know.

So

they didn't want to mess up the money that they was getting right from Pacquiao at the time, so

other other reasons, I don't know.

What way were you guys gonna fight at?

140.

140.

Yeah,

140.

So I fought Derry Gene, and they said, you know,

that was the marketing tool.

Crawford beat Derry Gene, he's gonna, you know, potentially fight Manny Pacquiao.

Derry Gene was one of Pacquiao's sparring partners.

I stopped Jerry Gene.

That's like, I I don't know, I don't know.

We don't know if I want to fight him.

So I had to move on.

Do you believe you'd have been, had you fought Pacquiao,

done what you done what you

think or know you could have done, do you think that would have sped up the process of Bud Crawford being in the position that he's in currently?

Of course, of course.

Like I said before,

you know, I didn't have the Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Sugar, Shane Mosley, and those

guys that was marquee names in the sport of boxing to pass the torch.

Nobody passed the torch to Terrence Crawford.

You took it up.

Right.

When you look at my career, I paved my own way.

I didn't piggyback off of any fighter.

You know, I fought my way up to the top.

When you look at, you know,

any fighter from Floyd Mayweather to any of them when Floyd fought De La Hoya you know

that was a whole big thing he wanted to fight Dela Hoya but top rank didn't want to give him Dela Hoya really and initially but when they met up you know Floyd was the B side and you know he beat Dela Joy and then he started rising to the top this concludes the first half of my conversation part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on just simply go back to club Shea Shea profile and I'll see you there.

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