Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 2

1h 24m
Scarface — the legendary rapper and Geto Boys icon — sits down with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an unfiltered conversation packed with raw stories, hip hop history, and unforgettable celebrity moments. Face takes the stage in New Balance shoes, jokes about “jonesing” Shannon, and sips award-winning Shay by Le Portier VSOP cognac. He reveals that he often plays golf with Shannon’s brother, Sterling Sharpe, calling him a scratch golfer still showing off his strength. Born Brad Jordan in Houston, Scarface grew up with his grandmother, surrounded by his uncles’ music, a “crazy” grandfather, and the streets that shaped him. He recalls playing football like Walter Payton and Earl Campbell, ducking death during a store robbery, and surviving a shooting and open-heart surgery that stunned doctors. Face opens up about losing his biological father in a tragic shooting, his stepdad “standing in the gap,” and the sayings from his grandmother that still guide him. Scarface reveals that Ice Cube, Ice-T, LL Cool J, and Will Smith inspired his storytelling style, and he names Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, KRS-One, Nas, Jay-Z, Q-Tip, T.I., and Lil Wayne among the greatest lyricists ever. He remembers beating Jay-Z, Eminem, and Prodigy for top lyricist honors in 2001, and says Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Cube, and LL Cool J were his biggest influences. He talks about Black history being erased like old-school rappers being forgotten. Face shares how Tupac became his “partner,” the wild stories from touring together, and the possibility they recorded Pac’s final song. He recalls being in the studio with Jay-Z as he freestyled verses without writing, and how Jay and DJ Khaled gave him lifelines when he was battling COVID and kidney failure like HOV did for Lil Wayne, DMX, 21 Savage. Scarface opens up about his own son ultimately donating a kidney to save his life. He talks about working with Kanye West, calling him a “cold” producer with beats for days, and having unreleased music together. Scarface also remembers discovering Ludacris as head of Def Jam South and learning from his mentor Ice Cube. He weighs in on Jim Jones’ comments about influencing Nas, Drake’s claim that UK rappers are better than American rappers (“like saying Kobe is better than Jordan”), and ghostwriting in hip hop. He says Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Beyoncé, and Taylor Swift-caliber artists are the only ones making money from streaming, while calling for others to take their work off streaming platforms. The conversation spans politics, fatherhood, and sports — from running for council to his love for the Houston Rockets, Kevin Durant, Jalen Green, the Texans, C.J. Stroud, and DeMeco Ryans, to respect for the young OKC Thunder. The episode closes with Scarface performing some of his biggest hits, breaking down their stories, and talking about making music with Mike Dean. This is Scarface — from the streets of Houston to the studio with Tupac, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and beyond — telling the stories only he can.

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Streaming. No,

Speaker 26 absolutely not.

Speaker 26 Should rappers take their music off stream to get it back to where people got to pay real money to get it? Yep.

Speaker 26 I would.

Speaker 26 I remember when it was 99 cents to listen to a it. Yeah.

Speaker 26 You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, so here's the thing.
Like,

Speaker 26 it costed us so much money to make those albums. It cost so much to pay a producer.
But now, you know what? I think producers may make a beat for $200 now.

Speaker 26 I'm not lying. But I know back in the gap, you know, a Dr.
Dre beat was $250,000. You know, Timberland beat was

Speaker 26 $150,000, $200,000. Wow.

Speaker 26 As the Neptunes and all all of them, that shit was high.

Speaker 26 So it would be shameful to get a beat from these top-notch producers and then have to put your shit on a stream and wait for it to stream.

Speaker 26 You know,

Speaker 26 a million streams is $4,000.

Speaker 26 What? Yeah.

Speaker 26 1 million streams is $4,000.

Speaker 26 Wow.

Speaker 26 So you got to get, so basically, in order to get some money, you got to do like a billion streams. If you want some money

Speaker 26 So like Drake and Kendrick they doing billions they build doing billions of streams. So they getting money.
Yeah Beyonce Taylor

Speaker 26 streams

Speaker 26 You know, but I don't it's it's too much. It's too much red tape man in between that because You don't never know.

Speaker 26 It's kind of like the record selling to you don't know how many records you really sold right, you know what I mean? What they tell you. It's just go by what they tell you.

Speaker 26 You know,

Speaker 26 but the streaming, I'm still not hip to how this works. Right.

Speaker 26 And that's why I'm not

Speaker 26 putting out any new music. I'm not releasing any new music.
Because it would just be all done in vain.

Speaker 26 Because those people have come up with something so slick

Speaker 26 to cut us all the way out the money.

Speaker 26 You know, the mom and pop saved hip-hop. The mom and pop saved our lives.
Because if we couldn't do anything else, we can sell 100,000 records and make a million dollars.

Speaker 26 God forbid you sold a million records and made ten million dollars,

Speaker 26 you know.

Speaker 26 But you used to go back in the day, you looked forward to going to the shop and getting the vinyl. You did, and you read the credits, yes, and you can roll a square on the record.

Speaker 26 Say, yes, yes,

Speaker 26 yeah.

Speaker 26 You know, you pop the cassette in.

Speaker 26 I introdu my album, The Fix. I got this brand new face tape.
I'm about to pop in the deck for you.

Speaker 26 Turn up the radio, you know what I mean?

Speaker 26 Yeah, like we we had we had

Speaker 26 jams man and they sold not just listening to man and oh i'm gonna i i'm gonna listen to this and i'm gonna pay him half a penny but after this i want to hear something else and pay them half a penny no you had to buy that body of work yeah like you can't you can't like a a real artist man you can't judge their body of work by one song okay i would way i would prefer way more if someone would just listen to an album from front to back right that's why all my shit jammed from front to back because I had a chance to listen to my album from front to back.

Speaker 26 Right. And it jammed.

Speaker 26 You had Def Jam South. You was running Def Jam South

Speaker 26 when you discovered Ludacris.

Speaker 26 I can't say I discovered Ludacris. He fell in your lap?

Speaker 26 A whole lot of shit fell in my lap.

Speaker 26 Ludacris was already doing numbers. You know, he was already,

Speaker 26 he was on the radio. Yep.
And he was already 30,000 records sold already on that. what's your fantasy yeah

Speaker 26 so he was he was like a hands-off artist to me yeah and he just fell in the lap Def Jam picked it up and and pushed it a little further but you got to think about all of the other artists that slipped through the cracks you had opportunity where you tried to get TI try to get Ross yeah

Speaker 26 David Banner

Speaker 26 Star naming him. I tried to bring him over there.
But back then, the music that was coming from down south was so iffy to them.

Speaker 26 Like the music from down south was so iffy to them. They wasn't on it like they're on it right now.

Speaker 26 You know, at first, you never, you didn't hear that coming from the east coast of California. Now, that's all you hear.

Speaker 26 Even if you're not from down south, your music still sounds like you're from down south. Correct.
That's crazy. Yeah.
But it is what it is.

Speaker 26 What have you learned about Money Face?

Speaker 26 It's only, if money is like religion, man,

Speaker 26 It's only as good as the person

Speaker 26 who has it or who believes in it. You know what I mean? Because

Speaker 26 you could be

Speaker 26 a very, very rich person

Speaker 26 and create a facade, you know, for everybody else. Like, you're the best person in the world.
Right.

Speaker 26 But when you're elected,

Speaker 26 and the lights get put on you, then they realize what kind of of piece of shit you really are.

Speaker 26 Right?

Speaker 26 Or you can be just a regular person

Speaker 26 with no money and be the greatest person in the world. So it's only as good as the person who believes in it or has it.
It's like religion.

Speaker 26 I think Fat Joe said on his podcast, Joe and Jada, that rappers live paycheck to paycheck. You believe that? It's possible.

Speaker 26 It's possible.

Speaker 26 Because you gotta think about it. You get paid.
Well, I don't know how to get paid now.

Speaker 26 I don't know how to get paid now.

Speaker 26 But you got paid twice a year.

Speaker 26 That's it?

Speaker 26 So you had to make that money last. Yeah.

Speaker 26 Oh, you had to do a lot of shows. Right.

Speaker 26 Yeah, you got paid in uh

Speaker 26 September and March. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 26 Oh, the game is the gaming is all the way around crooked.

Speaker 26 You sold all of those records

Speaker 26 and you get paid twice a year.

Speaker 26 And then they got something they call reserves.

Speaker 26 They put some records in reserves in case they come back.

Speaker 26 It's like, damn, then you never see that. Right.
And then it's like, wow, they got a cold system going on.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 it is what it is.

Speaker 26 right you know that's that's that's the way that that that's the way they designed it and i'm looking at all of the older artists that's like older than me i'm looking at uh uh george clinton get all his shit back you know they got it to where

Speaker 26 so your your your thing's gonna revert back to you after what 25 years 35. 35.
so you ain't got but like you ain't got but like 10 to go 10

Speaker 26 yeah you ain't got much longer you think i'm gonna be here that long yeah you'd be here okay

Speaker 26 yeah i mean come to houston meet you Copyrights. Exactly.
I'm not kicking it with you, bro.

Speaker 26 Faith. No, sir.

Speaker 26 Same age? I mean, we used to talk.

Speaker 26 You say same age. We close in age, I said.
You didn't say the same. Close.
Bro, you almost 60. Well, damn, Face.
Why are you giving up my info? Bro. Ain't nobody asked you that?

Speaker 26 But you, I got the cards.

Speaker 26 The only way you get, why you? Hey, but you know what, though?

Speaker 26 We talked about snitching early. Remember, you mentioned snitching early.
You mentioned snitching. Hey, but you know what, though? When you walked in the building, I say, man,

Speaker 26 that man walk like don't nothing hurt.

Speaker 26 But it do. I got artificial hips.
Go hip spike. Yeah.
And then you don't feel none of that pain. No.
Boy, when I get up, man, everything hurt.

Speaker 26 Man, you get your hips replaced, man. I mean, I've been there.
I mean, hurt, sitting down, hurt, walking, hurt, sleeping, hurt,

Speaker 26 standing, hurt. Everything hurt.
Man, I might need to get a new hip.

Speaker 26 You got two hips? Got both of them. They put two hips in? Yeah.

Speaker 26 What they look like? Perfect. I mean, because you got to realize your hips are.
No, I'm just

Speaker 26 arthritic.

Speaker 26 Your hips are

Speaker 26 probably arthritic. And so they go into.
So you got like some hips that came off of a horse, or they made you some hips?

Speaker 26 They're

Speaker 26 a ball. Because the hip socket is a ball.
So they just took the old hip out. So a hip is a ball? Yes.
Ball socket. Yes.

Speaker 26 Face. Did you see the.
Did you you actually see the actual hip? Yes. I could have kept, but I was like, no, I'm good.
You don't ever want to remember that shit no more, huh?

Speaker 26 That was a bad show.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I got up out the chair, man, and Shannon was like, damn, Face.

Speaker 26 What's wrong with you, man? Man, that shit hurt. I play golf every day.

Speaker 26 And I'm hurting right now.

Speaker 26 Look like you play football every day.

Speaker 26 Hey, Shannon, I'm going to bake your ass, man. You better leave me alone.

Speaker 26 You better leave me alone.

Speaker 26 We told Talk of the Face off camera.

Speaker 26 Face got kids, six, seven. Who cares? Hey, this sounds like a

Speaker 26 he sounds like a.

Speaker 26 He sounds like an old ass nigga that coached

Speaker 26 Little League T-Ball.

Speaker 26 Everybody get over there. Everybody get over there and pick them balls up.

Speaker 26 Daniel, get the glove off the ground, son. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 26 But I read where you said

Speaker 26 you were terrible. You'd be a father.
You weren't. You weren't.
No, I'm fing terrible. Have you gotten better?

Speaker 26 Have I gotten better, Chris?

Speaker 26 Damn.

Speaker 26 He's all right, Chris.

Speaker 26 I missed his question.

Speaker 26 Oh.

Speaker 26 He said that.

Speaker 26 Answer the question again. So

Speaker 26 Faith said he

Speaker 26 didn't do too well as a father. No.

Speaker 26 He better now, Chris?

Speaker 26 Um

Speaker 26 yes. I say yeah.

Speaker 26 He said yeah.

Speaker 26 Chris would lie.

Speaker 26 Shit.

Speaker 26 Chris lying now.

Speaker 26 I um wouldn't have because you were so young because your oldest, I mean you had your oldest at like 17. Yeah.

Speaker 26 I didn't really um

Speaker 26 I didn't really look at fatherhood as like being a father.

Speaker 26 I just figured you'd throw money at it and cover it up. But

Speaker 26 watching my children with their children,

Speaker 26 it made me a better father. I was like, oh shit.
So this is what it is.

Speaker 26 You know.

Speaker 26 You're a better grandfather than you are a father, huh? Than you were a father. I can say that for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 My grandson came by the house the other day, man.

Speaker 26 And that chump,

Speaker 26 that chump walking and,

Speaker 26 you know,

Speaker 26 my other grandboy,

Speaker 26 that chump walking and talking. Every time he see me, he go, hey.

Speaker 26 That's what I say to him. I'll be like, hey.

Speaker 26 When he see me on the face, I hey.

Speaker 26 What did they call you? Grandpa Face? G. G.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 But, but, Chris Frick.

Speaker 26 Yeah, they call him Papa.

Speaker 26 He started that shit. That's all right, I'll get him back.

Speaker 26 That's what what my grand called me. My grandson called me Papa.
I want to be Papa. Man, that's too bad.

Speaker 26 You are. You're fucking 60, bro.
Bro. You are 60.
That's close to 60. I'm 36 months older than you.
Man, that man counting the shit, I would have been like.

Speaker 26 That's why I should have stayed in school, huh, man.

Speaker 26 I can't remember shit, man. I can't remember nothing, man.
I can't remember nothing, man. Are you cool? Are you cool with the parents, with their mom?

Speaker 26 I think so, yeah. Because you you ran into a problem,

Speaker 26 but you know what? At this point, it ain't even about being cool with the moms no more. It's about being cool with the kids.

Speaker 26 But you had a situation where you were giving cash to one of the moms and not through the court. Yeah, I mean, everybody's going to go through that shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 Everybody's going to go through that shit, man. And I think that that is probably the most unfair thing that you could do to a man.
As a matter of fact, that creates a

Speaker 26 strain

Speaker 26 in parenting you know what i mean you'd be like man i don't want to spend time with my dad and be like you was a

Speaker 26 you was a a token you was a check you wasn't you wasn't you was a you wasn't that right this ain't that you know you was a pawn right for a bigger scheme

Speaker 26 i don't um

Speaker 26 And it's sad, you know,

Speaker 26 that that kid has to suffer like that

Speaker 26 because

Speaker 26 the lady want to drag the parent, the other parent through some shit, and it's all on us. She had to go through this shit too? I have.
Yeah. So

Speaker 26 everything fall on the dude.

Speaker 26 You know, when.

Speaker 26 But we were young. I think the thing is, face, like, when you young, you don't really, it's not like...

Speaker 26 you know, if you have kids like in your late 20s, early 30s, but when you're having kids as a teenager in your early 20s, y'all don't know how to be no parent.

Speaker 26 And you're not doing what's in the best best interest for the kid. I get mad at you.

Speaker 26 I'm trying to punish you, but I'm actually hurting the kid. And it wasn't until you started to realize, like, look, come on now,

Speaker 26 it's about them, it ain't about us.

Speaker 26 And then once you realize that, you're like, okay,

Speaker 26 okay,

Speaker 26 okay.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 in my case, big bro,

Speaker 26 and in a whole lot of cases,

Speaker 26 and I can speak for a lot of men out there, like in that situation that had a lot of money.

Speaker 26 It's guys that don't want to parent

Speaker 26 them kids,

Speaker 26 some kids, because the mother used that kid as a payday. He's like, here, I'm just going to pay you off.
I don't want to do it with either one of y'all.

Speaker 26 And that's some bad shit, too. Yeah, it is, absolutely.
You know, but it is what it is. If mama would have been, you know,

Speaker 26 straight up in the beginning, then that wouldn't have been the result in the end.

Speaker 26 And don't do bad shit to everybody else because, you know, the shit didn't work out with you. Right.

Speaker 26 You know, don't be bitter at him

Speaker 26 because it didn't work out. You know, just take it.

Speaker 26 Yeah, you have to, sometimes you just have to bite your lip and do, you know, hey, I understand you don't like me, but hey, I'm still going to come get the kid.

Speaker 26 They're going to the Super Bowl. They're going to be with me during the summer.
They're going to do all that stuff. All that shit.
All that.

Speaker 26 I get it. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 And it works like that in some cases. You have to.

Speaker 26 Chris just left, but Chris is your son, and he gave you second chance at life. He gave you a kidney.

Speaker 26 When you found out. You gave him the first chance.

Speaker 26 No, I'm not switching. Go ahead.

Speaker 26 No,

Speaker 26 when you found out because obviously you got to go to the match. It's not a match.

Speaker 26 That's not. That's not true? No.

Speaker 26 if me and you yeah yeah we'd have to see if we match right but he come out my nut bag right so i know that's that's that's my kid you know what i mean yeah so so how do you how do you ask a son i did not

Speaker 26 really

Speaker 26 he asked me

Speaker 26 you broke down crying did you no not then

Speaker 26 I probably could now, though.

Speaker 26 Because he saved my f ⁇ ing client. Yeah.
You know what I mean? I said, nah, I need a Ferrari.

Speaker 26 That's what you just said. Dried motherfucker.

Speaker 26 That's why I ain't call you.

Speaker 26 That's the main reason why I ain't call your ass because I knew what you was going to say.

Speaker 26 Crib, hey, Chris, you should have held out, Chris. You could have gotten.

Speaker 26 And then, just this past, I think it was what, October?

Speaker 26 You had the

Speaker 26 August. August.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Were you short? Were you having shortness of breath? What was going on?

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 I had aortic hernia back in 2014.

Speaker 26 And when they scoped me, they noticed that I had an aneurysm on my aorta, a small one.

Speaker 26 And they was like, you know, we ain't got to do nothing else, but we got to watch it.

Speaker 26 And I was like, okay, cool. And I was like, well, y'all might as well go on and fix it.
If you can, you know,

Speaker 26 he said, no, we got to cut you up. And I was like, no, thanks.
You're right. Yeah, no, thank you.

Speaker 26 And as time went on, man, time went on. We was watching.
We watched it. We was watching it.
We was watching it. Caught the COVID.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 26 Kidneys failed. You know, running the heart.
You know, they didn't know what the COVID was. I was probably one of the first people in America to have this shit.
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 26 And they seen what it did to your heart, seeing what it did to your lungs and all this. And they noticed that the little

Speaker 26 thing was getting bigger. The aneurysm was getting bigger.

Speaker 26 Fast forward to kidney transplant.

Speaker 26 it's there. It's time to go ahead and get it done.

Speaker 26 You know, but

Speaker 26 I pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off for years. And it kept getting bigger and bigger.
It just wouldn't go up. It's not going to go away.
Right.

Speaker 26 That problem is one of those ones. It just don't go away.
So

Speaker 26 my

Speaker 26 cardiologist, you know, did oh, he worked me up and looking at it and introduced me to my surgeon. His name is Dr.
Andrea Corty.

Speaker 26 Probably the most sought-after,

Speaker 26 best heart surgeon in the world.

Speaker 26 He did babies.

Speaker 26 You know, he did their surgery. Right.
So he's really, really incredible.

Speaker 26 Long story short, man, he was like, man,

Speaker 26 he wanted to put me on the transplant list to get a heart transplant. Wow.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 He said, man, why don't you do a CT scan so I can just see what I'm up against? Right.

Speaker 26 You know.

Speaker 26 So that Friday,

Speaker 26 well, that whatever day that was, we did the CT scan. He saw it or whatever.
And then I say, well, I'm going to be ready when I come off this tour.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 I can't remember what month that was. I think it may have been February or something.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 he insinuated to, you know, he said something to the extent of like, I may not have that much time.

Speaker 26 But I didn't want to have this shit done in the first place. So I was willing to run the risk of dropping dead on stage if I had to.
Right. This is real shit.
This is real shit.

Speaker 26 When I

Speaker 26 came back off the tour, I had an appointment. And he said, we're going to schedule it.

Speaker 26 This was in April

Speaker 26 or June. We were scheduling for August.
Right. All right.
So time kept coming near, kept getting there, kept, kept, just coming.

Speaker 26 It's cycling. Man, I go to

Speaker 26 the doctor and they want to do another CT scan. And I opted out of it Friday, that Friday.
I said, I'll come back Monday and do it because I got to be in here Tuesday to do the surgery anyway.

Speaker 26 So I went in that Monday morning and got the CT scan done. And they were looking at it and

Speaker 26 everybody looked nervous and worried, right?

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 I told him, take this shit out of my hand. I'm not staying here.
I'm having surgery in the morning. I'm ready to go.

Speaker 26 And one of those doctors came in and told me, he's like, hey, man, you coming in in the morning to have surgery? I said, yeah. He's like, good, don't forget.
Right?

Speaker 26 I left.

Speaker 26 I'm having

Speaker 26 lunch with

Speaker 26 a good friend of mine and her bodyguard.

Speaker 26 And they called my phone.

Speaker 26 And she said, it was the surgeon coordinator that said, the doc said you need to back in the hospital now. You need to be back in the hospital right now.
I say, well, I got a tea time.

Speaker 26 Tell the doctor, tell the surgeon to call me and tell me that hisself.

Speaker 26 So two seconds later, my phone rings. And I say, damn, doc,

Speaker 26 it busted. He said, I don't know if it happened

Speaker 26 a week ago or 10 minutes ago, but you need to get back now.

Speaker 26 So I went and I got me a pint of ice cream and some butter pecan? No, vanilla. From homemade vanilla.
And I went to

Speaker 26 French's

Speaker 26 because I knew that was it.

Speaker 26 So you said I'm going to have me some vanilla ice cream? What French chicken? And some fried chicken. Fried chicken.
Yeah.

Speaker 26 I went to the hospital, man.

Speaker 26 And I remember my mama saying that it's just a win-win for him.

Speaker 26 If he lived, he win.

Speaker 26 If he died, he win.

Speaker 26 and uh

Speaker 26 i got up a couple of days i didn't even know i didn't even know it was uh i thought it was like the same day right it was like two days later like a day of some change later

Speaker 26 yeah like i was out of there and when i woke up they had the tube in my mouth and and and i could breathe but i couldn't breathe right

Speaker 26 so

Speaker 26 Ms. Felicia was like put it back down put it back down like I was trying to take that tube out of my mouth but they had me strapped down and I couldn't breathe.
So they put me back out again.

Speaker 26 And then they put you in a coma, they put me back out. But the lady was trying to get me to do shit, and I was like,

Speaker 26 and then all of a sudden, I just went

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Speaker 17 OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation.

Speaker 4 Learn more at don't sleep on osa.com.

Speaker 22 This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Speaker 37 Hi, I'm Martine Hackett, host of Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenix.

Speaker 41 This season, we're sharing powerful stories of resilience from people living with MG and CIDP.

Speaker 36 Our hope is to inspire, educate, and remind each other that even in the toughest moments, we're not alone.

Speaker 42 We'll hear from people like Corbin Whittington.

Speaker 41 After being diagnosed with both CIDP and dilated cardiomyopathy, he found incredible strength through community.

Speaker 46 So when we talk community, we're talking about an entire ecosystem surrounding this condition, including, of course, the patients at the center that are all trying to live life in the moment, live life for the future, but then also create a new future.

Speaker 48 Listen to Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 49 Hello, hello.

Speaker 51 This is Malcolm Glabel from Smart Talks with IBM.

Speaker 54 Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari HP.

Speaker 55 Your pronunciation is strongly American, it's more Scuderia Ferrari.

Speaker 52 I'm still working on rolling my R's, but what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tefosi, the Ferrari super fans in the digital age.

Speaker 55 Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

Speaker 26 You've got Ferrari, which has a long history, designed history. And now you're interacting in a kind of digital space.

Speaker 51 I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

Speaker 55 When it comes to fan engagement, it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

Speaker 49 To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit IBM.com/slash Ferrari.

Speaker 26 Because I remember calling you and you, like, man, I just had, I said, man, stop, bullshit.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I had it. And I woke up, man, from that shit without everything.
And you the only one I let FaceTime be trouble, man. I said, man, you ain't had no damn overheart surgery.
He said, man,

Speaker 26 he's about answering the

Speaker 26 phone, answer the phone. Look, I know you didn't keep no FaceTime.

Speaker 26 Heart open. Nah.
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 26 But the first thing I said when I woke up, I seen my mama, man. I looked up at my mama, I'm tough, mama.

Speaker 26 Tough, mama.

Speaker 26 Tough. And she said, yeah, baby, you tough.

Speaker 26 But that was the first words

Speaker 26 to my mama. I'm tough, mama.
Wow.

Speaker 26 Yeah. Now you work out, you watch what you eat.
No. You don't watch what you eat.

Speaker 26 Get up and walk away from me. Yeah.

Speaker 26 No, I'm just playing. He's bad ass.

Speaker 26 You said if you knew you were going to live so long, you took better care of yourself. Hey, man, my mama used to say that, man, and now I understand why.

Speaker 26 Yeah, if I knew I was going to live this long, I'd take better care of myself. You still eat oxtails, though.
You still eat fried chicken. You still eat pork chop? No, I don't.
You eat fried catfish?

Speaker 26 No, sir. You don't eat nothing fried?

Speaker 26 Once in a while. I don't really eat bad, and I don't eat a lot either.

Speaker 26 So, what's the tip? What's a typical meal? Okay, you gotta be breakfast. You're a breakfast person? I am.
Okay, you what? Grits, eggs? No, I eat a

Speaker 26 two

Speaker 26 scrambled, not scrambled, overeaty eggs. Okay.

Speaker 26 And I eat a chicken sausage with it. Okay.

Speaker 26 And then for lunch,

Speaker 26 I may eat a salad.

Speaker 26 And then for dinner, it could be anything. Eat.
You don't eat eat salad?

Speaker 26 I mean,

Speaker 26 not just a salad. Yeah, I can eat a salad.
So you have chicken on it? You like salmon? I love salmon. That's my favorite.
That's my go-to. But now

Speaker 26 I don't really go ham on food no more because I've been fat before. And I'm taking testosterone shots and I'm getting fat again.

Speaker 26 Are you not working out? Not yet. What you waiting on? Man, I got to get...
Man, I just had open heart surgery less than a year ago. I don't want to be lifting.

Speaker 26 I don't wait this motherfucker bust back open. I'm sitting on the football field with my little league football team and I'm

Speaker 26 trying to teach this

Speaker 26 kid how to do a goddamn push-up. And I get down there and I feel this shit pulling apart again.
I'm like, damn. Yeah.

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 you took the shot before you started working out. You supposed to work out there, take the shot.
No.

Speaker 26 Bash, see, there you go, looking at me.

Speaker 26 I can't with you, man.

Speaker 26 You won't take nothing serious.

Speaker 26 How do you guys, the ghetto boys, how did that come about?

Speaker 26 Were you all friends and y'all knew each other? I didn't know him.

Speaker 26 But damn. Didn't know him.
Most people in the start of a group, they know each other. Went to high school together, went to middle school, lived in the same neighborhood.

Speaker 26 How the hell y'all form a group and not know each other from the joint?

Speaker 26 So the Scarface song, Jay Heard It,

Speaker 26 and then come to the crib, wanted me to be a ghetto boy. So I get into the van,

Speaker 26 this is the infamous van,

Speaker 26 and with Willie

Speaker 26 and Red and Bushwick. And I think jukebox was there,

Speaker 26 and he was Bushwick was a dancer at the time,

Speaker 26 he wasn't even no rapper yet, right?

Speaker 26 And it was me, Willie, Dean, jukebox that was rapping. That's why when you listen to

Speaker 26 Trigger Happy

Speaker 26 I can't say it was that

Speaker 26 it was a couple of songs that

Speaker 26 jukeboxer did when he was a part of the ghetto boys that knew when me and Bushwick

Speaker 26 I mean me and Willie Bill wasn't in the group he was a just a dancer at that time

Speaker 26 let me remember this correctly

Speaker 26 But um,

Speaker 26 some kind of way, Jukebox had left the group.

Speaker 26 And I don't remember if it was Willie's idea or Jay's idea, whose idea it was to have this little

Speaker 26 rapper talking cash shit and rapping, you know,

Speaker 26 a

Speaker 26 little guy. And um

Speaker 26 so from that point on, Bido worked with him in the in the uh in the mirror, you know, helping him, you know, with his with his words, with his raps.

Speaker 26 And Willie and I wrote records for Bill,

Speaker 26 right, while he recited them. But I didn't know Bill.

Speaker 26 And I didn't know Willie. I didn't know none of them, you know? Right.
And

Speaker 26 Red

Speaker 26 left the group

Speaker 26 before my mind playing tricks on me came out before that we can't be stopped out. Right.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 shoot.

Speaker 26 That's kind of how it

Speaker 26 happened. That's how it went, yeah.
I didn't know nobody, and they didn't know me, but I would make a record with them, and I would just be, I'd be gone. Right.
I'd make a song and I would leave.

Speaker 26 But then Jay put us at the ranch, and then we had to stay there. Right.
So we'd make a song and then start another song and then start another song. You know, and we did that for a week or two.
Right.

Speaker 26 We made that first Ghetto Boys album in a week or so, two weeks.

Speaker 26 If there is a buyout buyout

Speaker 26 about the ghetto boys, who's going to pay for Scarface? What age?

Speaker 26 Well, you in the Ghetto Boys. What age? They got to say what, like, talking about

Speaker 26 the time that I was in it? Yeah.

Speaker 26 I don't know. I'd have to use one of my kids.

Speaker 26 Like Cube did. Cube used his kid to portray him.
But can your kid rap?

Speaker 26 Chris, can you rap? Yeah, you can't. But Brad can can rap.
Bryce can rap. Okay.

Speaker 26 Somebody can rap. If not, I would find an actor, somebody good.
Probably the dude that played Bobby Brown or something.

Speaker 26 Jay Prince said the feds tried to get you to flip on him. Do you remember that time?

Speaker 26 They always trying to get somebody to flip on Jay.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 But you stay ten toes.

Speaker 26 Jay Prince said him, Shuge, Irv God was trying to create a distribution label. And that's when all the shit started.

Speaker 26 Really?

Speaker 26 I feel like that when they was talking about

Speaker 26 flipping the script and taking the power away,

Speaker 26 you know,

Speaker 26 I think if you're putting out your own,

Speaker 26 you're 100% independent and you putting out triple platinum albums independently and you're taking everybody out. Can't nobody eat off of it, but y'all,

Speaker 26 hell, somebody's going to start paying attention because you f ⁇ ing with somebody's money. Right.
You know, and this ain't nothing but a,

Speaker 26 man, America ain't nothing but money and law. That's it.
You got money and the law. Right.
That's the only thing that separates

Speaker 26 money and law.

Speaker 26 The album cover, We Can't Be Stopped. Is that the greatest cover?

Speaker 26 I hated it. Why? If you look at my face on that album cover, I absolutely hated that cover.
What the f? I just feel like it was, you know, I always say that too.

Speaker 26 Like,

Speaker 26 I think, I honestly think that that was Chief that pulled that patch down off Bill I.

Speaker 26 Did his girlfriend really shoot him in the eye?

Speaker 26 That's y'all made that up. No,

Speaker 26 a girl shot Bill in the eye for real. What are you shooting him with? 22? 22.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Shot him in the eye.

Speaker 26 So he wasn't making that up and say my eye.

Speaker 26 I wasn't there. Oh.

Speaker 26 But I know that he shot him in the eye. She shot him in the eye.

Speaker 26 That was a hard cover, though. It was a hard cover, but, you know, the man was the bill wasn't even woke.

Speaker 26 He's sitting up in that motherfucker dead. He was like.

Speaker 26 How y'all do the bad like that, man? That wasn't. See what I'm saying? That wasn't me.

Speaker 26 Hey,

Speaker 26 Chief had it with the phone in his hand, too.

Speaker 26 You got to prop his ass back up.

Speaker 26 Sub, Bill.

Speaker 26 Politics, you ran for

Speaker 26 councilman and

Speaker 26 city council. Yeah, I ran for city council.
You gonna do it again? Will you do it again? I am. I was gonna do it this time, but this snake in the grass,

Speaker 26 I'm gonna say no names, but he's a snake.

Speaker 26 He was telling me that he was gonna do this

Speaker 26 in this seat and I was going to do that in that seat. And yeah, man, we're going to do this together, man.
We're going to be together, man.

Speaker 26 And then push turned into a shove and homeboy was like...

Speaker 26 He did something else.

Speaker 26 So, nah, I'm going to do it, though, again. You're going to do it again? Yeah, but it won't be on those terms, though.
Right.

Speaker 26 It'll be on my own.

Speaker 26 Have you always been into politics? I have.

Speaker 26 I've always been into politics. Tricks, politics.
Politics, okay. That's what's happening now.
Right.

Speaker 26 I think that if people really gave a damn about the condition of black people,

Speaker 26 then they would do more than

Speaker 26 talk. Right.
You know, they would do more than

Speaker 26 spoon feed us.

Speaker 26 If you really, really, really, really, really

Speaker 26 gave

Speaker 26 any

Speaker 26 about

Speaker 26 the condition

Speaker 26 of

Speaker 26 our community, then

Speaker 26 you would do

Speaker 26 what needs to be done for that community. And it's not putting programs in place, or it's not, you know, government assistant, or it's not

Speaker 26 this or that or taking our education away from us so we'll never know who the f ⁇ we are. It's not that.
All right?

Speaker 26 And I don't know why a certain group of people feel like they have to continuously punch down,

Speaker 26 that's a word, punch down on black people.

Speaker 26 I know for a fact that black people are so

Speaker 26 great.

Speaker 26 So great.

Speaker 26 I'm talking about birthright great. Yeah.
Birthright great.

Speaker 26 Until

Speaker 26 people would do anything to dim that light.

Speaker 26 Do anything to dim that light or make you forget who you are.

Speaker 26 And then impose and interject

Speaker 26 the you that they want you to be.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 that would be the you that you become

Speaker 26 if you really think about it.

Speaker 26 I know you're a sports fan and your guys got KD. Y'all gonna win the championship this year? I like KD.
I like KD too.

Speaker 26 I asked you, are you gonna win the championship? I I said I like KD.

Speaker 26 Damn. We have a, y'all got a good ass team.
We got a KD, Amin Thompson, y'all

Speaker 26 Shingoon, y'all Reside Van Flint. Shingoon, spell it.

Speaker 26 Never mind. Cause look, when I was a little boy, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 26 So when I was a little boy, right, we said a big ass word, and my grandmother would be like, so-and-so, so-and-so, spell it.

Speaker 26 So when I heard Shangoon, I said, spell it. Yeah.
I think it's S-E-N-G-U-R. However, you spell it.

Speaker 26 Boy, so one time

Speaker 26 Brad was like

Speaker 26 four or five, and Bryce was like two, right?

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 Bryce walked up to Brad and he slapped the shit out of Brad.

Speaker 26 And I heard and I looked back and Bryce said, Oh, Brad, I'm sorry, Brad. I'm so sorry, Brad.
I'm sorry, Brad. That was an accident.
And I say, accident?

Speaker 26 Spell accident.

Speaker 26 He said, B-R-Y-C-E, Accident.

Speaker 26 It was an accident. He didn't mean to do it.

Speaker 26 Bryce, spelled accident.

Speaker 26 That was really good. Yeah.
Anyway. Yeah.
So y'all will win the championship this year? What about? I didn't say that. The Texans.
Y'all win the championship? I love C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 26 I love our head coach.

Speaker 26 I love... I like Miko.
I like D'Amico. D'Amico Ryan's is a mean.

Speaker 26 He was a cold-ass linebacker.

Speaker 26 I don't have nothing bad to say about the Texans, the Rockets, or the Astros. I think we got three

Speaker 26 different sport franchises that are excellent. Right.

Speaker 26 See, when I move there, we can go to the games and stuff. I'm not going nowhere with you.

Speaker 26 I wouldn't, and it's not me, and I'm not the gene, that's why they don't have me in that seat. But I don't move

Speaker 26 Jalen Green

Speaker 26 and a few

Speaker 26 first-round draft picks KD? At this age.

Speaker 26 They're trying to win now.

Speaker 26 Like tomorrow. Okay, yesterday.

Speaker 26 Man, I don't think there's nobody in the league that's going to be better than KD right now. Yeah.

Speaker 26 But he's 38. 36.
Oh, he's 36? Yeah. Warren?

Speaker 26 Why you tell me a man with 38?

Speaker 26 Oh, he 36? Yeah. Oh, shit, I would have took KD any day.
I thought he was old as hell.

Speaker 26 I thought, you remember when the Rockets picked up Scotty Pippen? Yeah. And Scotty Pippen was like 42? Yeah.
Like damn.

Speaker 26 He on his last leg. Yeah.
Yeah. KD ain't on his last leg.
KD got some mean ass game. So now KD's 36 years automated.
And yeah, we'll probably get to the to the dance.

Speaker 26 But we got to go see goddamn Steph, man.

Speaker 26 And Steph can shoot from outside in the parking like this. Y'all got to go see the Thunder, too.

Speaker 26 Oh, them young cats with no names. Yeah.
You talking about the no-name game?

Speaker 26 Ain't got no names over there. They don't have no big name.
Do they got a big name over there? Shea, the MVP. He a big name.
Naba, was he a big game, big name?

Speaker 26 I mean, I mean, he just been averaging 30 the last three years. I'm just saying, he's a, he wasn't, you ain't LeBron James and

Speaker 26 Shea.

Speaker 26 You're not saying, oh, that's Coke. Like, you know.

Speaker 26 Yeah, but, yeah, but I mean, you're talking about historically all-time transcendent great players. They ain't but

Speaker 26 ain't but a thousand of them. But what I'm saying about these kids is they, that's a team full of no-name.

Speaker 26 uh they're not star names they're great they're not star that works for them and that worked man and they kicked ass man they kicked i'm so proud of the thunder man like them was little kids man them kids can't be how what's the oldest 25 i think the average age is like 26.

Speaker 26 god damn

Speaker 26 and you did that they did that wow i'm very that's and coaching let me let me let me get off the players and i get on the coaching

Speaker 26 Because they probably had that team a couple of years ago, too.

Speaker 26 It got better. That coaching, man.

Speaker 26 That coaching, bro. Can't beat that coaching, man.

Speaker 26 So, no, I'm proud of the Thunder. So, we got to get through Steph, and then we got to get through the no-name game.

Speaker 26 And then we'll get to the dance.

Speaker 26 Face.

Speaker 26 Thanks for stopping by. Man, don't squeeze my hand hard, bro.
I swear to goodness.

Speaker 26 Much love. You see, you tried to get me.
I wasn't trying to squeeze that motherfucker hard.

Speaker 26 His hand feels like two big-ass ketchups miss right there.

Speaker 26 I'm trying to shake the man's hand.

Speaker 26 Scarface, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 26 What's going to be unique about this today, we're going to throw out a song and Face is going to tell us the meaning behind the song, where it was, what he was thinking when he actually wrote the lyrics to this song.

Speaker 26 So the first song we're going to start out with is Mary Jane. And how the music came out.
And how that came about. Yeah.
So I'm in the, I wrote it originally to the Commodore's song called Say Yeah.

Speaker 26 Okay.

Speaker 26 You'll feel that now that you know that. Okay.
Like the the way the words are spaced out. So I wrote it like that.
I ended up recording it in LA.

Speaker 26 And Mike Dean came up with a piano line that went like this. It was like.

Speaker 26 And then Tone hit the drum and it was kind of like.

Speaker 26 Right?

Speaker 26 I remember clearly,

Speaker 26 because

Speaker 26 I had took a,

Speaker 26 this is bad, but I took an ecstasy

Speaker 26 And it's just one of them being in the studio in a vocal booth by yourself and it was cold and the only thing that came to my mind was

Speaker 26 and I don't really remember Feeling like this right and it went

Speaker 26 That's how it went

Speaker 26 I Wanted to

Speaker 26 I wanted to make it sound as like I was talking about a woman, right? Right.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 I'm at my mother-in-law's house. My wife is laying in the bed sleeping.
I'm like, damn,

Speaker 26 I've got this love forming in my life for this dame and indeed not the form of life.

Speaker 26 And that's a shame how man can fall in love with leaves and not a brains, not afraid to let you up and leave and do your things. Share the happiness with all my folks and got us high.

Speaker 26 For the days that we was, hey, wait, share her happiness with all my folks and got us high.

Speaker 26 For the days that we were lost and broke, shit, I said shit in this song, Got Us By

Speaker 26 on the radio. It got by.

Speaker 26 Got us by, only rightly stopped and get the props. Because she came in the block of only find the crops.
I need to hear you sing.

Speaker 26 So the same chick that sung is the thuggish ruggish bone. Yes.
sung the hook on this. Really, really,

Speaker 26 and and and she went

Speaker 26 and tone was saying, say, Mary, I love

Speaker 26 that came from the Rick James part of it. Yes, there you go,

Speaker 26 Mary,

Speaker 26 I love

Speaker 26 now.

Speaker 26 I pick up my guitar and I put a BNS going

Speaker 26 and then

Speaker 26 and then the hook came back in was like

Speaker 26 second verse was like

Speaker 26 when the world starts to stress you out, what you do put a cancer stick off in your mouth or grab a brew. Sold in stores, but the fact remains this.

Speaker 26 They were made and the government's been taxing that, getting paid. That's why I was all illegal in the first place.

Speaker 26 That's why I was all illegal because the government couldn't tax it and get paid from it. But if it's taxable, it's cool as smoke then.
Kill or not?

Speaker 26 Ain't it alcohol that's killing folks? True or not?

Speaker 26 Other people try to make you bad, but I know you not. And when my situation is looking sad, I know I've got a true friend in my time of need.
Cause you all I need. Girl, you natural.

Speaker 26 You come from seeds, not out of greed. It makes me happy when I'm feeling pain.
And once again, it makes me happy just to hear your name. Do your thing,

Speaker 26 Mary Jane.

Speaker 26 Just sit there and you just smoke down. Yeah.

Speaker 26 Well, you didn't even smoke out. You was already high.

Speaker 26 Yeah, but that song make you smoke out. I was X'd out when I wrote it.
Exactly. When I wrote it.
And that's why you hear the first words going, got this love forming in my life.

Speaker 26 And then it got down going, for this day.

Speaker 26 And indeed, not the form of life.

Speaker 26 That's a shame. Like, it was some shit going on in that song that was kind of...

Speaker 26 And you had to be high. Face, when you're writing a song, do you have an idea of the chords? No clue.

Speaker 26 No clue. You just writing the words i'm just writing the music okay

Speaker 26 um

Speaker 26 to songs and then the words will kind of come like you kind of start off with a a piece of an idea and then you write a verse to it and then whoever you're working with on the song will you know will start working on it more and putting it more together so you write your first verse and you lay it and then you work on the music a little bit and you go home and you write the second verse and then you put the first verse with the second verse and then you write the third verse and then you lay it all and then you listen to it, and listen to it, and listen to it,

Speaker 26 and then you go back and re-record it. And sometimes I don't even have to re-record it because it's that perfect.
Wow, I believe in being absolutely perfect.

Speaker 26 So, you don't,

Speaker 26 you know, a lot of times when you're on a set or you're doing a movie, you're doing a commercial, oh, that was perfect. But let's do one more time just to make sure.

Speaker 26 Like, once you lay it and you like you feel good about it, you're done. That's it.

Speaker 26 I don't need a safety.

Speaker 26 Don't need one. Guess who's back?

Speaker 26 So that was

Speaker 26 a record. I was trying to get a record from

Speaker 26 I was trying to get a record from Jay-Z. Okay.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 Kanye was playing beats, and Jay-Z was sitting in the corner in a chair.

Speaker 26 And Kanye was playing beats.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 Jay was sitting there and he was talking. And then he heard those pianos.

Speaker 26 And he was like,

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Speaker 1 This is Sophie Cunningham from Show Me Something.

Speaker 2 Do you know the symptoms of moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea or OSA in adults with obesity?

Speaker 7 They may be happening to you without you knowing.

Speaker 3 If anyone has ever said you snored loudly or if you spend your days fighting off excessive tiredness, irritability, and concentration issues, it may be due to OSA.

Speaker 17 OSA is a serious condition where your airway partially or completely collapses during sleep, which may cause breathing interruptions and oxygen deprivation.

Speaker 4 Learn more at don't sleep on osa.com.

Speaker 22 This information is provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

Speaker 36 Hi, I'm Martine Hackett, host of Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, a production from Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenix.

Speaker 41 This season, we're sharing powerful stories of resilience from people living with MG and CIDP.

Speaker 36 Our hope is to inspire, educate, and remind each other that even in the toughest moments, we're not alone.

Speaker 39 We'll hear from people like Corbin Whittington.

Speaker 41 After being diagnosed with both CIDP and dilated cardiomyopathy, he found incredible strength through community.

Speaker 45 So when we talk community, we're talking about an entire ecosystem surrounding this condition, including, of course, the patients patients at the center, that are all trying to live life in the moment, live life for the future, but then also create a new future.

Speaker 48 Listen to Untold Stories, Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 51 Hello, hello, this is Malcolm Glabel from Smart Talks with IBM.

Speaker 54 Today we're diving into a fascinating conversation with Stefano Pallard, head of fan development for Scuderia Ferrari HP.

Speaker 26 Your pronunciation is strongly American.

Speaker 55 It's more Scuderia Ferrari.

Speaker 56 I'm still working on rolling my R's.

Speaker 52 But what I was able to learn from Stefano was the importance of engaging the Tefosi, the Ferrari super fans in the digital age.

Speaker 55 Ferrari fans and super fans want to be part of something, want to belong to something. So they want to be part of a community and ultimately they want to be part of a winning team.

Speaker 26 You've got Ferrari which has a long history, designed history and now you're interacting in a kind of digital space.

Speaker 51 I'm curious how you balance those two traditions.

Speaker 55 When it comes to fan engagement it's really digital technology and digital channels are being able to create a deeper connection with our fans.

Speaker 49 To learn more about how Ferrari and IBM are using technology to build deeper connections with fans, visit ibm.com/slash Ferrari.

Speaker 26 And he'd be like,

Speaker 26 he'd be looking at you like, yeah, nigga, I'm about to give you the business right quick.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 that's all it takes for him to do ooh a couple times. And he go in the vocal and he lays vocals.
Like, he never wrote nothing down.

Speaker 26 He didn't write it down. So he just hears the beat and he just hear and he goes into the to the booth and he lays it down and then I'm sitting at the board.

Speaker 26 He leaves me stuck at the board writing every time. Dabs me up and he leaves the room, right?

Speaker 26 I come in, I'm writing, I'm thinking about what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 26 So I'm writing it.

Speaker 26 And I said,

Speaker 26 from the womb to the tomb with a hot potter jar and a spoon, trying to touch me 40,000 and move. Listen,

Speaker 26 from the womb to the tomb with a hot pot, a jar and a spoon, trying to touch me 40,000 and move to the next dose button.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 Dream to the tomb with a hot potter jar and a spoon trying to make me 40,000 and move. Motel star-studded rock stars and goons.
Plain clothes wanted running my room. Woo! But guess who's bizarre?

Speaker 26 It's your boy Facebook. I started with an eight ball.
Gotta get this cake dog. Give niggas a break now.
You know how the game go?

Speaker 26 You think I slain four to go against the grain? No. I'm out here in grind mode.
Wrapped up in a paper chase. I want a f ⁇ a fine hoe.
Candy paint the 88.

Speaker 26 I ain't got no wholesale, cause that ain't how I wanna run it. Here, take these five stones and bring a nigga back 100.
I gotta see my feet, dude. You do shit a fiend do.

Speaker 26 The fire gets you hot in the kitchen.

Speaker 26 I hit them streets streets fool money is an issue and that's on the for shisle my nizzle your block warm i come by with that pistol and make for show i get to work mine one car at a time

Speaker 26 because if a motherfucker got a block bubbling right and you want that

Speaker 26 the only way that you can get that block from this is go by there and shoot it up and then the cops will be sitting out there okay

Speaker 26 all right i come by with that pistol And make for sure I get to work mine one car at a time. We go to war and you ain't making a dime.
You You don't want to go to war, nigga.

Speaker 26 Let me go on down here and work my shit too.

Speaker 26 You know, we're going to war and you ain't making a dime because I ain't got shit to lose. A nigga out here paying his dues.
My baby walking gotta get him some shoes. It's a new game, brewing.

Speaker 26 Let me get you the rules. Get out of line and I'm gonna get the rules.

Speaker 26 Get out of line and I'm gonna get you the blues. It's a new game, brewing.
Let me get get the booze. Get out of line.
I'ma get you the blues.

Speaker 26 On my block.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 I was

Speaker 26 in the studio. These are Def Jam albums, by the way.

Speaker 26 Those are Def Jam songs. And those songs were so,

Speaker 26 that was probably the easiest time I've ever had to record an album because I didn't have to make the music to it. Okay.

Speaker 26 But a couple of guys came by the studio.

Speaker 26 Nasheen, well, Nasheen Merritt came to the studio and he was playing beats. And

Speaker 26 they had this record that was by

Speaker 26 Roberta Flack and Donnie Hathaway.

Speaker 26 And it went like this.

Speaker 26 It was like,

Speaker 26 Be real

Speaker 26 for me

Speaker 26 Be real black for me

Speaker 26 Remember that yes

Speaker 26 Just something about dope ass music

Speaker 26 So I'm hearing the vibe

Speaker 26 And I'm thinking about like the best way like what how does this music make me how does this beat make me feel how does the piano rip make me feel like I want to say something about about my neighborhood man like they they been like the same old thing on my block.

Speaker 26 Like, let's reminisce on what's happening on the block.

Speaker 26 Every day been like the same old thing on my block.

Speaker 26 You either working or you juggle cocaine on my block. You had to hustle, that's how we was raised on my block.
And you stayed on your hop until you made you a knot.

Speaker 26 On my block, hang out with a thing back then. And even if you left out, you came back in to my my block.
From Holloway, Belford to Scott. Reed rode the flocks.
We know the spots. Just go weed a rocks.

Speaker 26 Just go eat the rocks.

Speaker 26 We know where to get that shit from, man. We know where to get it.

Speaker 26 Just go weed a rocks, the drink or the blue dots. So your block, you probably bred a fat pad, a Tupac, a big pun, a B.I., your homeboy from knee-high.

Speaker 26 And even if it was storming outside, that nigga beat by. That's me, dog, on my block.
I ain't had to play no big shot. Them niggas knew me back when I was stealing beer from Shamrock.

Speaker 26 And my nickname was Creepy. And if Black June could see me, he'd be tripping.
And I bet he still probably teased me on my block.

Speaker 26 Black June was the homie, man. Yeah.

Speaker 26 He got killed young by

Speaker 26 a police officer. He was in a high-speed chase and they shot through the car and shot him in the back of the neck.
17 years old.

Speaker 26 And he never got a chance to see that life man cuz he he died way back in the 80s man

Speaker 26 and if black june could see me he'd be tripping and i bet he still probably teased me man

Speaker 26 so my block where everything is everything for sheesy on my block we probably done it all homie believe me on my block we make the impossible look easy for sheesy i never leave the block the homies need me never leave the block i never leave the block

Speaker 26 i never leave the block. I never leave the block.
The homies need me. Imagine if you took the game, you took the instructions out the game.

Speaker 26 It ain't gonna operate.

Speaker 26 You know,

Speaker 26 I remember talking about the cars. It's like,

Speaker 26 on my block,

Speaker 26 we race some pilots bone stock.

Speaker 26 On my block,

Speaker 26 I ain't have to play the big shot.

Speaker 26 On my block, we raising pilots.

Speaker 26 On my block, we raised some pause

Speaker 26 on my block. We queueing all the time, playing dominoes.

Speaker 26 Keep the swish and sweets down till my mama goes back in the house. Hey, listen, do you remember when you used to have to hide your dope from your boy? You don't know nothing about you.

Speaker 26 I used to hide no dope now.

Speaker 26 So, you used to have to hide that shit from your mama when they come outside, right? Like, on my block, we queueing all the time, playing dominoes.

Speaker 26 Keep that switcher sweet down until my mama goes back inside, and then we can fire.

Speaker 26 Fire, yeah, passing around a few times and get high.

Speaker 26 Remember, sitting back, man.

Speaker 26 The neighborhood, I got footage of this on my Instagram page. Us sitting in the backyard of my homeboy house and we drink beer,

Speaker 26 we barbecue, we tell tales,

Speaker 26 you know, smoke a few squares,

Speaker 26 pull it down for me. I remember,

Speaker 26 I remember when we was kids, right? Be like, man, let's go smoke some dope. And that meant they was going to go out and smoke a few squares and shit, right?

Speaker 26 Now when somebody say, let's go smoke some dope, you don't know what the they talking about. So I'd be like, you know what, man? Go ahead.
I don't get it.

Speaker 26 But you know, back then, face, cigarettes, anything smoking, you had to hide from your parents. It wasn't just weed.

Speaker 26 You know, funny thing i never had to do that really you could smoke around your mom boy you were lucky i mean i don't know how lucky i was but i grew up in the well it started with my grandmother okay all right so i lived in the house of my grandmother

Speaker 26 and my uncles and all my uncles smoked and shit right right and they started smoking at a young age when i had a cigarette i was smoking in the house i couldn't have been no more than

Speaker 26 19

Speaker 26 and I know people gonna think I'm full of shit, but I swear to God. I went 9, 10, 11, 12 years old, I'm smoking.
Matter of fact, I'm at school with a smoking pass.

Speaker 26 Back in junior high school, you can smoke cigarettes at school if you had a pass. Right.
You had to get you had to get clear for your pass. You had to get clear from your parents.

Speaker 26 I'm telling my age right now. I'm 54, but yeah, I was smoking for real.
Wow. Yeah.
Wow. Not proud of it, but shit.
You did what you did. I did what I did, man.

Speaker 26 This song,

Speaker 26 because I really want to know the backdrop. I've never seen a man cry until I've seen a man die.
The backdrop of that.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 the backdrop of that, man, is I got high.

Speaker 26 Man, you've been riding some fire-ish when you high.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 I was stoned.

Speaker 26 And I promised that if I ever came down off that high, I wouldn't never get high again like that.

Speaker 26 But I was drinking beer and taking painkillers. Okay.
And I had smoked the joint. I don't want nobody to try this shit at home.

Speaker 26 What kind of combo were you on? Drinking beer, smoking, taking pain pills? So I had broke my arm.

Speaker 26 Either that or I got shot. Something happened.

Speaker 26 Damn, face. Yeah.
And I needed, I didn't want to hurt no more.

Speaker 26 Nate Dogg had the coldest song on that one. I

Speaker 26 don't want to hurt no more.

Speaker 26 Don't want to hurt no more.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I didn't want to hurt no more. Right.
So I took a

Speaker 26 painkiller.

Speaker 26 I was drinking Miller Lights anyway.

Speaker 26 And I smoked a square.

Speaker 26 And that shit didn't end well.

Speaker 26 Did the words? I mean, how long did it take you to come up to lay those verses for that? Did it just start, the pen just started writing? It was like an auto pen.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 I was in the studio and I made a beat

Speaker 26 and it started with a bass line

Speaker 26 and the bass line went like

Speaker 26 Right? I did on the keyboard and then I played the

Speaker 26 right

Speaker 26 so that's what I wrote the words to. Okay? The bait, the bait, they'd be like

Speaker 26 So that's the original way

Speaker 26 that I set it up and then Mike Dean comes in with the

Speaker 26 Let me hear

Speaker 26 he had the

Speaker 26 Mike Dean also played this guitar part that went kind of like this.

Speaker 26 So I had to take this home, right? Yay.

Speaker 26 And I'm high as hell.

Speaker 26 And the first thing I came up with was,

Speaker 26 Future's father with his hands out. Bebilitated slightly.
Glad to be the man's child. The world is different since he's seen it last.

Speaker 26 In seven years he's out of jail and he's happy that he's free at last. All he had was his mother's letters.
Now he's mobile and he's got to make a change and make it for the better. But he's black.

Speaker 26 So he's got one strike against him. And he's young.
Plus, he came up in the system.

Speaker 26 But he's small and he's finally making 18, right? I'm coming up with these words, man. The words are flowing, right?

Speaker 26 But the more I wrote, the more dead I felt.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I was that was done.

Speaker 26 I had that kind of high,

Speaker 26 I had that blackout high. Yeah.

Speaker 26 You know, so that was the writing process on this song, man. I was, I didn't want to,

Speaker 26 I didn't, I didn't want to be high no more. You know what I mean?

Speaker 26 I remember, I remember

Speaker 26 that verse where I said, um,

Speaker 26 I hear you breathing, but your heart no longer sounds strong. But you're kind of scared of dying, so you hold on.
And you keep on blacking out, and your pulse is slow.

Speaker 26 Stop trying to fight the reapers, just relax and let it go. That's how high I was.
Wow,

Speaker 26 I was high.

Speaker 26 I was writing that record.

Speaker 26 Yeah,

Speaker 26 I was, I really went in there and got some shit. Uh,

Speaker 26 because there's no way you can fight it, though, you still try, and you can try it till you fight it, but you still die.

Speaker 26 Your spirit leaves your body, and your mind cleans.

Speaker 26 Your mortar starts to set naked out of you.

Speaker 26 Like,

Speaker 26 that's a real, that's that's how I felt, man. Wow.

Speaker 26 but

Speaker 26 when I got to the studio and land, I wasn't high no more. I was coming back later, and it was like, I was like,

Speaker 26 he greets his father with his hands out, rehabilitated slightly, but glad to be the man's child. The world is different since he's seen it last.

Speaker 26 Out of jail been seven years, and he's happy that he's free at last. All he had was his mother's letters.
Now he's open and he's got to make a change and make it for the better.

Speaker 26 But he's black, so he's got one strike against it. And he's up.
Plus, he came up with the system. But you never know

Speaker 26 how those words are going to come out upon delivery because I stand firm on letting the beat guide. Okay.
I use my voice as an instrument.

Speaker 26 Like, I don't, you'll, you'll never hear a song from me where the beat is doing one thing and my voice is doing another. Like, it's not going to be a mono tone.
Right.

Speaker 26 Like, you know, you how some rappers get on the microphone and they rap the same way every time because they're not letting that beat lead.

Speaker 26 You know, they rapping off of their own instinct and not letting that beat guide. You gotta let that beat guide.
And in order to let that beat guide, it's a vibe. Right.
It's a vibe, man.

Speaker 26 So, you know,

Speaker 26 some some records you hear me

Speaker 26 rapping

Speaker 26 this way and the next, you'll hear like, who is that nigga? Right.

Speaker 26 Like, I remember one time we was doing that, sitting at the stoplight, looking at at hoes peeping out this bitch in her black jabose windows rolled up tight top was closed blowing switches sweet smoke out my nose E40 called me right.

Speaker 26 He'd be like man you let Warren you let Warren get on the track? I'm like nah nigga that's me

Speaker 26 Yeah, so I'm changing my voice. I'm changing

Speaker 26 I'm changing the dynamic, the pitch. I'm changing the flow.
The come lines are different. You know,

Speaker 26 the patterns, the rap patterns are different. Sunday morning, I'm off in church, sinning throughout the week, hustling every day.
I'm getting it as we speak. I listen to preacher preach.

Speaker 26 Mama singing the song, ain't he clapping the hands? No, choir singing the song, ain't he clapping the hands. My mama singing along.
I'm uncomfortable. I won't want to leave.
Can't let my mama see.

Speaker 26 I ain't listening to the message. But it's

Speaker 26 different deliveries on different songs. Different songs call for different deliveries, different beats, man.
Has it ever been a situation where

Speaker 26 record you write it while you're high, and then when you come down off that, you're like, Okay, I hope I can get right back into that headspace. That oh, once you get it, it's in there.

Speaker 26 Once you find out, once you get back to what you were writing and the pattern that you was writing it in,

Speaker 26 you in there. But I ain't wrote nothing high in a long time.

Speaker 26 Of course, I ain't been writing, but I ain't did nothing. I ain't, damn, Shannon, you're trying to act like I'm just a dope thing.

Speaker 26 Like, I gotta be high.

Speaker 26 No, I'm messing with you. Nah, bro, I wouldn't.

Speaker 26 It's just, you know what, I don't smoke weed all the time. Okay.
You know.

Speaker 26 But when I do, I'm not just going to be burning out brain cells. Right.

Speaker 26 So there's got to be something being created.

Speaker 26 That's what I was about to ask. When you smoke, are you smoking to get in

Speaker 26 a frame of mind that you can write? No. Oh, you just smoke.
You just spoken to smoke. No, I'm not just spoken to spoken.

Speaker 26 I'm smoking to

Speaker 26 I'm smoking the spark

Speaker 26 ideas.

Speaker 26 But I'm just not riding around smoking all day long just to be smoking. So if you see me smoking some weed, I'm in a vibe.
Right. And I haven't smoked weed in a long time.

Speaker 26 Is that what it would take you to get back in? I mean,

Speaker 26 smoke some weed? No. What would it take you to get back to the pen that we know face to have?

Speaker 26 They got to pay.

Speaker 26 Like, this shit is free now.

Speaker 26 It's not paying, man. Okay.
You know what I mean? Like, this is where the money is. Like, short and I out on a tour, we're calling it the function.

Speaker 26 You know, this is where the money is. Even though Todd is still recording,

Speaker 26 E40 is still recording. Everybody's still recording.
I just don't see the value. And I'm spoiled.

Speaker 26 I'm spoiled. I remember when you could sell a record, you can sell records five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten dollars.
Correct. Now it's zero cent.
It's zero.

Speaker 26 It's half a cent on a cent for a stream. So I don't see the value in wasting my time.
I can't get my time back. Right.

Speaker 26 You know, I got a catalog that'll carry me. And, you know,

Speaker 26 you feel me? Like, I've got a pretty decent catalog. And I'm always thinking of some other funky ways to revamp me.
You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, this just didn't come overnight.

Speaker 26 Like, I've been doing my band shift.

Speaker 26 For 20 years. Matter of fact, Aunt sent me something yesterday, sent us something where it was,

Speaker 26 how long is that?

Speaker 26 25 years ago it was 25 almost 20 years ago okay of us you know working with our band shit all right and i went on the road with a band and i wasn't even getting paid but i knew that eventually the game would catch up to what i'm thinking yeah where i'm at in my mindset because we can stand on stage and and and and grab grab our shit and walk and lip-sync to our shit

Speaker 26 or we can bring it back to the essence of where it came from. You know, like I,

Speaker 26 we built this music, man. Right.

Speaker 26 We built this music.

Speaker 26 Tupac's last song he recorded was with you, 1994, Smile.

Speaker 26 I can't say that. Hold on.
Yeah, do you remember that before he passed? It might have not been 94. What year would that did Smile come out?

Speaker 26 It came out in 96.

Speaker 26 It came out in 97.

Speaker 26 But we recorded it

Speaker 26 that September. Hey, man, you know what?

Speaker 26 That could very well be the last song that he recorded. Absolutely.
That could very well be the last song because I remember leaving LA, going to Chicago,

Speaker 26 and

Speaker 26 hearing that he was shot. But me knowing Pac, like I know Pac, you know, he's going to get up and he's going to be talking shit again.
Right. All right.

Speaker 26 You could very well be right, man, because we recorded that in September or June.

Speaker 26 And he got shot in that September.

Speaker 26 Okay, we recorded that song in June or July

Speaker 26 of 96.

Speaker 26 He got shot and killed in 96.

Speaker 26 September.

Speaker 26 Okay, so that could very well be that last record. But I like me knowing Pac and how he worked.

Speaker 26 I doubt it. Possible, though,

Speaker 26 because he probably laid down 15, 20 songs a day. because what that that was uh if i'm not mistaken i think it was the uh the tyson holyfield fight

Speaker 26 i might have been bruno check check the fact i see i went to the frank bruno fight that was in like april of 96. okay

Speaker 26 who did he fight right after that i think it was holyfield i can't say that we'll look it up we got to look that up yeah

Speaker 26 I think he was fighting Polthar or somebody. It wasn't Holyfield, though.

Speaker 26 Because he remember, he saw Holyfield back to back 96 he fought him he lost and then he turned around and fought him again in 97 when he bit his ear Yeah, but no Pac was still around though

Speaker 26 No, I don't think so

Speaker 26 I mean see we can look it up

Speaker 26 when did Pac

Speaker 26 get killed 90 September I think it was September of 96

Speaker 26 Okay, so when did Tyson fight Holyfield?

Speaker 58 September 13, 1996.

Speaker 26 713?

Speaker 58 So you say Tyson Holyfield fight?

Speaker 26 Yeah, he fought him twice. He fought him in 96 and 97.

Speaker 26 He fought him in December, right?

Speaker 26 He fought him on my birthday, November 9th. So yeah, November 9th, 1996.

Speaker 58 The second fight was June 28th, 1997.

Speaker 26 When did Tupac get killed? September.

Speaker 58 Yeah, September 13th, 1996.

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Speaker 26 I think it was a Bruno. It might have been

Speaker 26 who was Holy Field fighting. There was a fight going on out there.

Speaker 26 It was Mike Tyson and Bruno.

Speaker 26 Because I was at the Bruno fight in April. Yeah, Bruce Selden.
Bruce Seldon.

Speaker 26 Okay, one of them big ones. Yeah, Buskin.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 But,

Speaker 26 man, Pac was a hell of a dude, man.

Speaker 26 He was

Speaker 26 before his time. Yeah.
Way before his time. More money mean more litigating.

Speaker 26 More player hating.

Speaker 26 Got

Speaker 26 a sale at the pen for me waiting. Wow.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 smile

Speaker 26 when you're writing that, what's going on? What are you thinking?

Speaker 26 So,

Speaker 26 Park, we recorded that like way before he passed. Like a couple of

Speaker 26 recorded in June

Speaker 26 or July.

Speaker 26 June, July of 96. Right.
And he ends up passing in September of 96. Right.
So we wrote the song,

Speaker 26 you know, before he passed.

Speaker 26 And,

Speaker 26 like, Pac would always have this thing with me where he would be so pissed off that I would be sitting at the board still writing and everybody threw it their shit.

Speaker 26 You know, and he would always say, hey, man,

Speaker 26 you got to

Speaker 26 find a way to get across to the bitches without offending them. Right.
And the niggas going to want what the bitches want.

Speaker 26 And then whatever the last word is of your verse that's the name of the song

Speaker 26 and I was like

Speaker 26 okay

Speaker 26 but nonetheless I still sat down in front of that board and I came up with those words man but it was done to a whole totally different beat

Speaker 26 shout out to Tone Capone

Speaker 26 and and Mike Dean because I think that the job that we did on this song, on this version of that particular song, was awesome, man. Tone always wanted those, was it pizzicados? What are they called?

Speaker 26 Pizza's. He always loved the plank, blank, blank, blank, blank, blink, blank, blink, blank.

Speaker 26 Johnny P was still alive.

Speaker 26 The one who was like, Do you want to ride

Speaker 26 in the backseat? I'm like, yeah, chopper helped do what I died.

Speaker 26 Tone had a vibe in his head.

Speaker 26 Tell him,

Speaker 26 do you still care

Speaker 26 about me

Speaker 26 right so he just broke that came into smile

Speaker 26 for me that's tongue pong won't you just smile

Speaker 26 for me

Speaker 26 and then johnny p was in the studio and he sung that

Speaker 26 And uh

Speaker 26 some kind of way we got a chance to use that record on my album.

Speaker 26 But I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it, man. That's when Pac told the engineer, man, you ain't got too many more of my bads.
Right.

Speaker 26 He's been a judge. That's when the, I think Pac may have been the first one, the first artist to beat up an engineer.
I could be wrong.

Speaker 26 But I know he used to beat his engineers up.

Speaker 26 I wrote it down like,

Speaker 26 there was I opened up my story with the blades of your blunt. That's all you can reflect.
That's all you can reflect. Okay.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 26 So you try to reflect on what I'm saying, man. You sit back and

Speaker 26 damn. Now,

Speaker 26 as I open up my story, put the blades of your blunt. So you can pick your thoughts slowly upon phrases I run.
And I can walk you through the days that are done.

Speaker 26 I often wish that I could save everyone, but I'm a dreamer. Have you ever seen a

Speaker 26 who was strong in the game overlooking his tomorrows and they finally came? I look back on childhood memories. I'm still feeling the pain.
Turning circles in my ninth grade to deal in cocaine.

Speaker 26 Too many hassles in my local life, surviving the strain. And a man without a focus life can drive me insane.
I'm stuck inside a ghetto fantasy, hoping to change.

Speaker 26 But when I focus on reality, I'm broken in chains. I had a dream of living wealthy and making it big, but no good football.
Chose to cook raw, take it and dig.

Speaker 26 And after all, my mama's thanking God for blessing the child. Cause all my mama got to do now is collect it and smile.

Speaker 26 Won't you just smile

Speaker 26 for me?

Speaker 26 That's cold-blooded.

Speaker 26 Who's kids writing music like this, man?

Speaker 26 I would love for us to be able to get our music back.

Speaker 26 You know what I'm saying? I would love for us to be able to make our music like we made our music. You know, even though

Speaker 26 from Mays to

Speaker 26 R. Kelly, from R.
Kelly to Chris Brown,

Speaker 26 we didn't lose too much into that. We didn't lose a lot.
You know, that music's still great, man. It's kind of like

Speaker 26 from Rock Him to

Speaker 26 Kane to Public Enemy to Cube and NWA to Ghetto Boys to, you know, Snoop to.

Speaker 26 And then you start

Speaker 26 Tribe Call Quest. You got to think about all of the great music.
LL Cool J, Rundy MC, those

Speaker 26 masterpieces of

Speaker 26 hip-hop you know KRS1

Speaker 26 yeah you know the masterpieces the Jay-Z's the Nases I said Nas already yeah

Speaker 26 yeah okay well I should have said it twice so I mean those masterpiece classics that will always be remembered forever you know what I mean yes like

Speaker 26 LL Cool J, bro.

Speaker 26 He don't get the credit that he deserves. No, he single-handedly put this shit on the map, bro.
He did. And then you have to look at.

Speaker 26 He got women to listen to start listening to the rap. Because he was singing to them.
Hey, man, the man.

Speaker 26 The man broke some shit down, man, on the record, man, that was mind-blowing to me.

Speaker 26 Who can take the game of rap and rule it alone?

Speaker 26 Just playing many styles on the microphone. Like, the man was cold, man.
For sure. And he single-handedly

Speaker 26 gave us

Speaker 26 a

Speaker 26 plat a platform to stand

Speaker 26 today yes with that rock the bells oh for sure man i went out and i did a concert for rock the bells on a couple of occasions yeah and this last one i went to in in in new jersey i walked out on the stage and was like shit

Speaker 26 Look at all these people. Hip-hop lives, man.
For sure.

Speaker 26 And thanks to that guy that's recovering. You know what I mean? Like, he had some great shit on that.
He had

Speaker 26 Rakem, Kane, Plies, Boosie, Me,

Speaker 26 Roxanne Shantae was on that shit.

Speaker 26 That's my twin.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 I love what he's doing with it, man. I think that everybody should take time out and pause.
and thank LL Cool J for what he did and what he's doing for this culture, man.

Speaker 26 Like, for real.

Speaker 26 Thanks for performance, bro. Man, we ain't even started performing.

Speaker 26 Let's play.

Speaker 26 Let's leave him. Let's go out with a bang.

Speaker 26 Fired up. I don't even care what it is.
What are we going out with? I don't care.

Speaker 26 Mind playing tricks on. You got Friday night lights.
Damn, it feels good to be a gangster. What you want to go out with?

Speaker 26 No, let's do something else.

Speaker 26 What you got?

Speaker 26 Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun Doodo doo da do da do da do

Speaker 26 Doodle

Speaker 26 Doodle

Speaker 26 Banner Banner

Speaker 26 Can't be life

Speaker 26 Can't be love

Speaker 26 Be more

Speaker 26 Can't be us

Speaker 26 It's gotta be more.

Speaker 26 So I'm leaving to go to baseline from Death Jam. And

Speaker 26 I think my brother called me. I think Warren Lee called me and told me that one of the homies' babies that had died, man, I was devastated.

Speaker 26 Because I got a two-year-old. I had a two-year-old back then, but that baby got a hold of something that he wasn't supposed to get a hold of that

Speaker 26 And that shit kind of blew me the fuck away

Speaker 26 And that's why the verse came out so cold cuz it was so true I walked into the studio to

Speaker 26 the studio to do this for Jim. I got a phone call from one of my niggas.
They say my homeboy Greek

Speaker 26 He just lost one of his kids. And when I heard that, I just broke into tears.
And he in the second hand, you don't really know how that is.

Speaker 26 But when they hit that close to home, you feel the pain at the crib.

Speaker 26 So I called my sad and my wife at the bad news. Got my blessing.
Clump my blessings because Brad's too.

Speaker 26 That's one of them ones, man.

Speaker 26 Shit. Brad, two years old when that happened, man.

Speaker 26 Loving your kids just like you was ours. And I'm hurting for you, dog.

Speaker 26 But ain't nobody painting like yours but i just know heaven heaven's open his doors and you and on the blind one on the bright side you can do it like this god's got open arms homie he in the midst who loves all who loves all and hates not one

Speaker 26 because he in the midst and he in the midst of good company who loves all and hates not one and one day you gonna be with your son I could have talked about my hard times in these songs,

Speaker 26 but heaven knows I wouldn't have been wrong.

Speaker 26 Would have been right, wouldn't have been us,

Speaker 26 it wouldn't have been life,

Speaker 26 it wouldn't have been love,

Speaker 26 it wouldn't have been right.

Speaker 26 Can't be life.

Speaker 26 A lot of niggas be bragging about their bands and shit, but I know for a fact can't nobody f with them.

Speaker 26 You still up.

Speaker 26 I can stand on the stage and stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Do that.

Speaker 26 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 26 Tell you, man,

Speaker 26 all I gotta do is just dream it.

Speaker 26 Just gotta dream it.

Speaker 26 Live, live on

Speaker 26 Club Shay Shea.

Speaker 26 We're gonna get down into a deeper interview

Speaker 26 in a few minutes, but I just wanted my partner to show up to see that musical side. Go on, give him the business, fuck it.
Hold up, hold up, louder, louder, louder.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 26 they can say.

Speaker 26 once I lived the life of a millionaire

Speaker 26 Spending all of my money on the other

Speaker 26 Making a friend

Speaker 26 Nobody's retired

Speaker 26 to get champagne water

Speaker 26 Soon as my money got away way.

Speaker 26 I couldn't find a place

Speaker 26 that had

Speaker 26 a dollar thing.

Speaker 26 I'm a bone on my

Speaker 26 queen.

Speaker 26 Nobody wants you.

Speaker 26 When you're down,

Speaker 26 nobody wants ya.

Speaker 26 When you're down,

Speaker 26 nobody won't shout.

Speaker 26 When the

Speaker 26 So I hear a lot of people talk about their bands and shit, man, but

Speaker 26 after being together so long, we kind of know what we're thinking. So

Speaker 26 it's

Speaker 26 y'all on the wavelength. Yeah,

Speaker 26 we right there. I can turn that shit up like this here, get get it up loud like that or I can bring it back down yeah

Speaker 26 scarface ladies and gentlemen

Speaker 26 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 26 Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want a slice, got the roll of dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life. Love, all my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 26 Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, wanna slice, got the roll of of dice. That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

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