Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 2

1h 24m
Scarface — the legendary rapper and Geto Boys icon — sits down with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an unfiltered conversation packed with raw stories, hip hop history, and unforgettable celebrity moments. Face takes the stage in New Balance shoes, jokes about “jonesing” Shannon, and sips award-winning Shay by Le Portier VSOP cognac. He reveals that he often plays golf with Shannon’s brother, Sterling Sharpe, calling him a scratch golfer still showing off his strength. Born Brad Jordan in Houston, Scarface grew up with his grandmother, surrounded by his uncles’ music, a “crazy” grandfather, and the streets that shaped him. He recalls playing football like Walter Payton and Earl Campbell, ducking death during a store robbery, and surviving a shooting and open-heart surgery that stunned doctors. Face opens up about losing his biological father in a tragic shooting, his stepdad “standing in the gap,” and the sayings from his grandmother that still guide him. Scarface reveals that Ice Cube, Ice-T, LL Cool J, and Will Smith inspired his storytelling style, and he names Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, KRS-One, Nas, Jay-Z, Q-Tip, T.I., and Lil Wayne among the greatest lyricists ever. He remembers beating Jay-Z, Eminem, and Prodigy for top lyricist honors in 2001, and says Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Cube, and LL Cool J were his biggest influences. He talks about Black history being erased like old-school rappers being forgotten. Face shares how Tupac became his “partner,” the wild stories from touring together, and the possibility they recorded Pac’s final song. He recalls being in the studio with Jay-Z as he freestyled verses without writing, and how Jay and DJ Khaled gave him lifelines when he was battling COVID and kidney failure like HOV did for Lil Wayne, DMX, 21 Savage. Scarface opens up about his own son ultimately donating a kidney to save his life. He talks about working with Kanye West, calling him a “cold” producer with beats for days, and having unreleased music together. Scarface also remembers discovering Ludacris as head of Def Jam South and learning from his mentor Ice Cube. He weighs in on Jim Jones’ comments about influencing Nas, Drake’s claim that UK rappers are better than American rappers (“like saying Kobe is better than Jordan”), and ghostwriting in hip hop. He says Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Beyoncé, and Taylor Swift-caliber artists are the only ones making money from streaming, while calling for others to take their work off streaming platforms. The conversation spans politics, fatherhood, and sports — from running for council to his love for the Houston Rockets, Kevin Durant, Jalen Green, the Texans, C.J. Stroud, and DeMeco Ryans, to respect for the young OKC Thunder. The episode closes with Scarface performing some of his biggest hits, breaking down their stories, and talking about making music with Mike Dean. This is Scarface — from the streets of Houston to the studio with Tupac, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and beyond — telling the stories only he can.

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Streaming.

No,

absolutely not.

So should rappers take their music off stream to get it back to where people got to pay real money to get it?

Yep.

I would.

I remember when it was 99 cents to listen to it.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like, so here's the thing.

Like,

it costed us so much money to make those albums.

It cost so much to pay a producer.

But now, you know what?

I think producers may make a beat for $200 now.

I'm not lying, but I know back in the gap, you know, a Dr.

Dre beat was $250,000.

You know, Timberland beat was

$150,000, $200,000.

Wow.

As the Neptunes and all of them, that shit was high.

So it would be shameful to get a beat from these top-notch producers and then have to put your shit on a stream and wait for it to stream.

You know,

a million streams is $4,000.

What?

Yeah.

1 million streams is $4,000.

Wow.

So you got to get, so Brad here, in order to get some money, you got to do like a billion streams.

If you want some money, yeah.

So, like, Drake and Kendrick, they doing billions.

They're doing billions of streams.

So they getting money.

Yeah, Beyonce, Taylor.

Tough streams.

You know, but I don't it's it's too much it's too much red tape man, in between that.

Because you don't never know.

It's kind of like the record selling, too.

You don't know how many records you really sold.

Right.

You know what I mean?

What they tell you.

It's just go by what they tell you.

You know.

But the streaming, I'm still not hip to how this works.

Right.

And that's why I'm not

putting out any new music.

I'm not releasing any new music.

Because it would just be all done in vain.

Because those people have come up with something so slick

to cut us all the way out the money.

You know, the mom and pop saved hip-hop.

The mom and pop saved our lives.

Because if we couldn't do anything else, we can sell 100,000 records and make a million dollars.

God forbid you sold a million records and made $10 million.

But you used to go back in the day.

You looked forward to going to the shop and getting the vinyl.

You did.

And you read the credits.

Yes.

And you can roll a square on the record.

Say, yes, yes.

That's

You know, you pop the cassette in.

I introd my album, The Fix.

I got this brand new FaceTape.

I'm about to pop in the deck for you.

Turn up the radio.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, like

we had jams, man, and they sold.

Not just listening to shit, man.

And

I'm going to listen to this.

And I'm going to pay him half a penny.

But after this, I want to hear something else and pay them half a penny.

No, you had to buy that body of work.

Yeah.

Like you can't, you can't, like

a real artist, man, you can't judge their body of work by one song.

Okay.

I would prefer way more if someone would just listen to an album from front to back.

That's why all my shit jammed from front to back because I had a chance to listen to my album from front to back.

Right.

And it jammed.

You had Def Jam South.

You was running Def Jam South

when you discovered Ludacris.

I can't say I discovered Ludacris.

He fell in your lap?

A whole lot of shit fell in my lap.

Ludacris was already doing numbers.

You know, he was already,

he was on the radio.

Yep.

And he already 30,000 records sold already on that What's Your Fantasy.

Yep.

So he was like a hands-off artist to me.

Yeah.

And he just fell in the lap.

Def Jam picked it up and pushed it a little further.

But you got to think about all of the other artists that slipped through the cracks.

You had an opportunity.

Where did you try to get T.I., you tried to get Ross?

Yeah.

David Banner.

Start naming them.

I tried to bring him over there.

But back then, the music that was coming from down south was so iffy to them.

Like the music from down south was so iffy to them.

They wasn't on it like they on it right now.

You know, at first you never, you didn't hear that

coming from the east coast of California.

Now, that's all you hear.

Even if you're not from down south, your music still sounds like you're from down south.

Correct.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

But it is what it is.

What have you learned about Money Face?

It's only money like religion, man.

It's only as good as the person

who has it or who believes in it.

You know what I mean?

Because you could be

a very, very rich person

and create a facade, you know, for everybody else.

Like, you're the best person in the world.

But when you're elected

and the lights get put on you, then they realize what kind of piece of shit you really are.

Or you can be just a regular person

with no money and be the greatest person in the world.

So it's only as good as the person who believes in it or has it.

It's like religion.

I think Fat Joe said on his podcast, Joe and Jada, that rappers live paycheck to paycheck.

You believe that?

It's possible.

It's possible.

Because you got to think about it.

You get paid.

Well, I don't know how to get paid now.

I don't know how to get paid now.

But you got paid twice a year.

That's it?

So you had to make that money last.

Yeah.

Or you had to do a lot of shows.

Right.

Yeah, you got paid in uh

September and March.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, the game is the gaming is all the way around crooked,

you know.

And and and and

nah.

You made you sold all of those records.

And you get paid twice a year.

And then they got something they call reserves

they put some records in reserves in case they come back and

it's like damn then you never see that right and then it's like wow they got a cold system going on but

it is what it is right you know that's that's that's the way that that that's the way they designed it and i'm looking at all of the older artists that's like older than me i'm looking at uh uh George Clinton get all his shit back you know they got it to where

so your your your thing's gonna revert back to you after what 25 years 35.

35.

So you ain't got but like, you ain't got but like 10 to go.

10.

Yeah, you ain't got much longer.

You think I'm gonna be here that long?

Yeah, you'd be here.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, come to Houston, meet you.

Copyrights.

Exactly.

I'm not kicking it with you, bro.

Faith.

No, sir.

Same age?

I mean, we you just talk.

Hey, you sound, you say same age.

We close in age, I said.

You didn't say the same.

Close.

Bro, you almost 60.

Well, damn, Faith.

Why you giving up my info?

Bro.

Ain't nobody asked you that.

But you, I got the cards.

Hey, but you know what, though?

You just talked.

We talked about snitching early.

You remember?

You mentioned snitching.

You mentioned snitching.

But you know what, though?

When you walk in the middle, I say, man,

that man walk like don't nothing hurt.

What did he do?

I got artificial hips.

Oh, fake.

Yeah.

And then you don't feel none of that pain.

No.

Boy, when I get up, man, I mean, everything hurt.

Man, you get your hips replaced, man.

I mean, I've been there.

I mean, hurt, sitting down, hurt, walking, hurt, sleeping, hurt,

standing, hurt.

Everything hurts.

Man, I might need to get a new hip.

They put, you got two hips?

Got both of them.

They put two hips in?

Yeah.

What they look like?

Perfect.

I mean, because you got to realize your hips.

No, I'm just, no, I'm not arthritic.

Your hips are

probably arthritic.

And so they go in.

So you got like some hips that came off of a horse, or they made you some hips?

They're

a ball.

Because the hip socket is a ball.

So they just took the old hip out.

So a hip is a ball?

Yes.

Ball socket.

Yes.

Face.

Did you see the.

Did you actually see the actual hip?

Yes.

I could have kept it.

I was like, no, I'm good.

You don't ever want to remember that shit no more, huh?

That was a bad for show.

Yeah, I got up out the chair, man, and channel was like, damn, face.

What's wrong with you, man?

Man, that shit hurt.

I play golf every day,

and I'm hurting right now.

Look like you play football every day.

Hey, Shit, I'm gonna bake your ass, man.

You better leave me alone.

You better leave me alone.

We told talking to Face off camera.

Face got kids, six, seven.

Who cares?

Hey, this sounds like a

he sounds like a he sounds like a he sounds like an old ass nigga that coached

Little League T-Ball.

Everybody get over there.

Everybody get over there and pick them balls up.

Daniel, get the glove off the ground, son.

What's wrong with you?

But I read where you said

you were terrible.

You barefooted.

You weren't.

You weren't.

No, I'm terrible.

Have you gotten better?

Have I gotten better, Chris?

Damn.

He alright, Chris.

I missed a question.

Oh.

He said that.

Answer the question again.

So

Face said he

didn't do too well as a father.

No.

He better now, Chris?

Yes.

I say yeah.

He said, yeah.

Chris wouldn't lie.

Shit.

Chris lying now.

Wasn't it happened because you were so young?

Because your oldest, I mean, you had your oldest at like 17.

Yeah.

I didn't really.

I didn't really look at fatherhood as like being a father.

I just figured you'd throw money at it and cover it up.

But

watching my children with their children,

it made me a better father.

I was like, oh, shit.

So this is what it is.

Yeah.

You know.

You're a better grandfather than you are a father, huh?

Than you were a father.

I can say that for sure.

Yeah.

My grandson come by the house the other day, man.

That chump,

that chump walking and,

you know,

my other grandboy,

that chump walking and talking.

And every time he see me, he go, hey.

That's what I say to him.

I'd be like, hey.

And when he see me on the face, I hey.

What'd they call you?

Grandpa, face?

G.

G.

Yeah.

But Chris, Chris.

Yeah, they call him Papa.

Yeah.

He started that shit.

That's all right.

I'll get him back.

That's what my grand called me.

My grandson called me Papa.

I want to be Papa.

Man, that's too bad.

You are.

You're fucking 60, bro.

Bro, you are 60.

That's close to 60.

I'm 36 months older than you.

Man, that man counting the shit, I would have been like,

that's why I should have stayed in school, huh, man.

I can't remember shit, man.

I can't remember nothing, man.

I can't remember nothing, man.

Are you cool?

Are you cool with the parents?

With their mom?

I think so, yeah.

Because you ran into a mom, you would be cool.

But you know what, at this point, it ain't even about being cool with the moms no more.

It's about being cool with the kids.

But you had a situation where you were giving cash to one of the moms and not through the court.

Yeah, I mean, everybody's gonna go through that shit.

Yeah.

Everybody's gonna go through that shit, man.

And I think that that is probably the most unfair thing that you could do to a man.

As a matter of fact, that creates

a strain

in parenting.

You know what I mean?

You'd be like, man, I don't want to spend time with my dad.

And be like, you was a

token.

You was a check.

You wasn't that.

This ain't that.

You know, you was a pawn

for a bigger scheme.

I don't,

and it's sad, you know,

that that kid has to suffer like that.

Yeah.

Because

the lady wants to drag the parent, the other parent through some shit, and it's all on us.

You had to go through this shit, too?

I have.

Yeah.

So

everything falls on the dude.

You know, when.

But we were young.

I think the thing is, face, like, when you're young, you don't really, it's not like, you know, you have, if you have kids, like in your late 20s, early 30s, but when you're having kids as a teenager in your early 20s, y'all don't know how to be no parent.

And you do, and you're not doing what's in the best interest for the kid.

I get mad at you.

I'm trying to punish you, but I'm actually hurting the kid.

And it wasn't until you started to realize, like, look, come on now.

It's about them.

It ain't about us.

And then once you realize that, you're like, okay,

okay

okay

yeah

well

in my case big bro

and in a whole lot of cases

and I can speak for a lot of men out there like in that situation that had a lot of money it's it's it's guys that don't want to parent them them kids though some some kids because the mother used that kid as a as a payday he like here i'm just gonna pay you off i don't want nothing to do with either one of of y'all.

And that's some bad shit, too.

Yeah, it is, absolutely.

You know, but it is what it is.

If mama would have been, you know,

straight up in the beginning, then that wouldn't have been the result in the end.

Right.

And don't do bad shit to everybody else because, you know, the shit didn't work out with you.

Right.

You know, don't be bitter at him.

Because it didn't work out.

You know, just take it.

Yeah, you have to, sometimes you just have to bite your lip and do, you know, hey, I understand you don't like me, but hey, I'm still gonna come get the kid.

They're going to the Super Bowl.

I'm they're gonna be with me during the summer.

They're gonna do all that stuff.

All that shit.

All that.

I get it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it works like that in some cases.

You have to.

Chris just left, but

Chris is your son, and he gave you

the second chance at life.

He gave you a kidney.

When you found you gave him the the first chance.

No, I'm not switching.

Go ahead.

No,

when you found out because obviously you got to go to match.

It's not a match.

That's that's not.

That's not true.

No.

If if me and you, yeah, yeah.

We'd have to see if we match.

Right.

But he came out of my nut bag.

Right.

So I know that's that's that's my kid.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So.

So how do you how do you ask the son?

I did not

really.

he asked me

You broke down crying did you no not then

I Probably could now though

Because he saved my life.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

I said no.

I need a Ferrari

That's what you just said right

That's why I ain't call you That's the main reason why I ain't call your ass because I knew what you was gonna say.

Hey Chris, you should have held out Chris.

You could have gotten

And then just this past, I think it was what, October?

You had the

August.

August.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Were you short?

Were you having shortness of breath?

What was going on?

Uh,

so

I had an aortic hernia back in 2014.

And when they scoped me, they noticed that I had an aneurysm on my aorta, a small one.

They was like, you know, we ain't got to do nothing else, but we got to watch it.

And I was like, okay, cool.

And I was like, well, y'all might as well go on and fix it.

If you can, you know.

He said, no, we got to cut you off.

And I was like, no, thanks.

You're right.

Yeah, no, thank you.

And as time went on, man, time went on.

We was watching.

We was watching it.

We was watching it.

We was watching it.

Caught the COVID.

Kidneys failed.

You know, running the heart.

You know, they didn't know what the COVID was.

I was probably one of the first people in America to have this shit.

wow yeah and they seen what it did to your heart seeing what it did to your lungs and all this and they noticed that the little thing was getting bigger the aneurysm was getting bigger um fast forward to uh kidney transplant it's there it's time to go ahead and get it done right you know but

i pushed it off pushed it off push it off pushed it off pushed it off for years and and it kept getting bigger and bigger it just wouldn't go up it's not going to go away right that problem is one of those ones that just don't go away so

um

my uh

cardiologist you know did it all he worked me up and looking at it and introduced me to my surgeon his name is dr.

Andrea Corty

probably the most sought after

best heart surgeon in the in the world.

He did he did babies.

You know, he did their surgery.

So he's really, really incredible.

Long story short, man, he was like, man,

he wanted to put me on the transplant list to get a heart transplant.

Wow.

Yeah.

And he said, man, why don't you do the CT scan so I can just see what I'm up against?

Right.

You know.

So that Friday,

well, whatever day that was, we did the CT scan.

He saw it or whatever.

And then I say, well, I'm gonna be ready when I come off this tour.

And

I can't remember what month that was.

I think it may have been February or something.

And

he insinuated to, you know, he said something to the extent of like, I may not have that much time.

But I didn't want to have this shit done in the first place.

So I was willing to run the risk of dropping dead on stage if I had to.

It's real shit.

It's real shit.

When I

came back off the tour, I had an appointment and he said we're going to schedule it.

This was in April

or June.

We were scheduling it for August.

So time kept coming near, kept getting there,

kept just coming.

It's cycling.

Man, I go to the to the doctor and they want to do another CT scan and I opted out of it Friday, that Friday.

I said, I'll come back Monday and do it because I got to be in here Tuesday to do the surgery anyway.

So I went in that Monday morning and got the CT scan done.

And they were looking at it, and

everybody looked nervous and worried, right?

And

I told him, take this shit out of my hand.

I'm not staying here.

I'm having surgery in the morning.

I'm ready to go.

And one of those doctors came in and told me, He's like, Hey man, you coming in in the morning to have surgery?

I said, Yeah.

He's like, Good, don't forget, right?

I left.

I'm having

lunch with

a good friend of mine and her bodyguard.

And they called my phone.

And she said, it was the surgeon coordinator that said, the doc said you need to back in the hospital now.

You need to be back in the hospital right now.

I say, well, I got a tea time.

Tell the doctor, tell the surgeon to call me and tell me that his self.

So two seconds later, my phone rings.

And I say damn doc

it busted.

He said I don't know if it happened

a week ago or 10 minutes ago but you need to get back now.

So I went and I got me a pint of ice cream and some butter pecan?

No, vanilla from homemade vanilla and I went to

French's

because I knew that was it.

So you said I'm gonna have me some vanilla ice cream?

What?

Francis and some fried chicken.

Fried chicken.

Yeah.

I went to the hospital, man.

And I remember my mama saying that it's just a win-win for him.

If he live, he win.

If he die, he win.

And

shit, I got up a couple of days.

I didn't even know it was,

I thought it was like the same f ⁇ ing day.

It was like two days later.

It was like a day of some change later.

Yeah.

Like I was out of there.

And when I woke up, they had the tube in my mouth, and

I could breathe, but I couldn't breathe.

Right.

So

Ms.

Felicia was like, put it back down, put it back down.

Like, I was trying to take that tube out of my mouth, but they had me strapped down and I couldn't breathe.

Right.

So they put me back out again.

And then they put you in a coma, had you?

They put me back out.

But the lady was trying to get me to do shit.

And I was like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

And then all of a sudden, I just went.

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Because I remember calling you, and you like, man, I just had, I said, Man, stop, bullshit.

Yeah, I had it.

And I woke up, man, from that shit without everything.

And you're the only one I let FaceTime be chopping, man.

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Yeah, you got it.

But the first thing I said when I woke up, I seen my mama, man.

I looked at my mama, so tough, mama.

Tough, mama.

Tough.

And she said, yeah, baby, you tough.

But that was the first words

to my mama and I'm tough, mama.

Wow.

Yeah.

Now you work out, you watch what you eat.

No.

You don't watch what you eat.

Get up and walk away from me, yeah.

No, I'm just playing.

He's a bad ass.

You said if you knew you were going to live so long, you took better care of yourself.

Hey, man, my mama used to say that, man.

Now I understand why.

Yeah, if I knew I was going to live this long, I'd take better care of myself.

You still eat oxtails, though.

You still eat fried chicken.

You still eat pork chop?

No, I don't.

You eat fried catfish?

No, sir.

You don't eat nothing fried?

Once in a while.

I don't really eat bad, and I don't eat a lot either.

So

what's a typical meal?

Okay, you're gonna beat breakfast.

You're a breakfast person?

I am.

Okay, you what?

Grits, eggs?

No, I eat uh

two uh

two uh scrambled, not scrambled, overeaty eggs.

Okay.

And I eat a chicken sausage with it.

Okay.

And then for lunch,

I may eat a salad.

And then for dinner, it could be anything.

E.

You don't eat salad?

I mean,

not just a salad.

Yeah, I can eat a salad.

So you have chicken on it?

You like salmon?

I love salmon.

That's my favorite.

That's my go-to.

But now

I don't really go ham on food no more because I've been fat before.

And I'm taking testosterone shots and I'm getting fat again.

Are you not working out?

Not yet.

What you waiting on?

Man, I gotta get, man, I just had open heart surgery less than a year ago.

I don't want to be lifting this motherfucker butt back open.

I'm sitting on the football field with my little league football team and excuse me trying to teach this

kid how to do a goddamn push-up and I get down there and I feel this shit pulling apart again.

I'm like, damn.

Yeah.

Well, you took the you took the shot before you started working out.

You supposed to work out.

I did take the shot.

No.

Bash, see, there you go.

Looking at me.

I came with you, man.

You won't take nothing serious.

How do you guys, the ghetto boys, how did that come about?

Were you all friends?

Did y'all know each other?

I didn't know them.

But damn.

Didn't know him.

Most people in the start of a group, they know each other.

Went to high school together, went to the middle school, lived in the same neighborhood.

How the hell y'all form a group and not know each other from the junk?

So, the Scarface Scarface song, Jay Heard It,

and then Come to the Crib wanted me to be a ghetto boy.

So, I get into the van.

This is the infamous van.

And Willie

and Red and Bushwick.

And I think

jukebox was there.

And he was, Bushwick was a dancer at the time.

He wasn't even no rapper yet.

Right.

And it was me, Willie, Dean, Jukebox that was rapping.

That's why when you listen to

Trigger Happy.

I can't say it was that.

It was a couple of songs that

Jukebox had did when he was a part of the Ghetto Boys that knew when me and Bushwick,

I mean, with me and Willie.

Bill wasn't in the group.

He was just a dancer at that time.

Let me remember this correctly.

But

some kind of way, Jukebox had left the group.

And I don't remember if it was Willie's idea or Jay's idea, whose idea it was to have this little

rapper talking cash shit and rapping, you know.

a little guy.

And

so from that point on, Bido worked with him

in the mirror, you know, helping him, you know, with his, with his words, with his raps.

And Willie and I wrote records for Bill,

right, while he recited them.

But I didn't know Bill.

And I didn't know Willie.

I didn't know none of them, you know.

Right.

And

Red

left the group

before My Mind Playing Tricks on Me came out, before that We Can't Be Stopped out.

Right.

And,

shoot.

That's kind of how I

got how it went.

Yeah.

I didn't know nobody, and they didn't know me, but I would make a record with them, and I would just be, I'd be gone.

I'd make a song and I would leave.

But then Jay put us at the ranch.

And then we had to stay there.

Right.

So we'd make a song and then start another song and then start another song.

You know, and we did that for a week or two.

Right.

We made that first Ghetto Boys album in a week or so, two weeks.

If there is a buy-up

about the ghetto boys, who's gonna pay for Scarface?

What age?

Well, you in the Ghetto Boys.

What age?

They gotta say what, like, we're talking about

the time I was in it.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'd have to use one of my kids.

Like Cube did.

Cube used his kid to portray him.

But can your kid rap?

Chris can you rap?

Yeah, you can't Brad can rap Bryce can rap.

Okay

Somebody can rap if not I would find an actor somebody good probably the dude that played Bobby Brown or something

Jay Prince said the Fred the feds tried to get you to flip on him.

Do you remember that time?

They always trying to get somebody to flip on Jay

Yeah, but you stay ten toes.

It's a Jay Jay Prince said said him shook Irv got it was trying to create a distribution label and that's when all the shit started

Really well I feel like that when they was talking about

Flipping the flipping the script and taking the power away.

Mm-hmm, you know

I think if you putting out your own

You're 100% independent and you putting out triple platinum albums independently then and you're taking everybody out.

Can't nobody eat off of it, but but y'all,

hell, somebody's gonna start paying attention because you're fing with somebody's money.

Right.

You know, and this ain't nothing but a,

man, America ain't nothing but money and law.

That's it.

You got money and the law.

Right.

That's the only thing that separates

money and law.

The album cover, We Can't Be Stopped, is that the greatest cover?

I hated it.

Why?

If you look at my face on that album cover, I absolutely hated that cover.

What the f?

I just feel like it was, you know,

I always say that too.

Like,

I think, I honestly think that that was Chief that pulled that patch down off Bill I.

Did his girlfriend really shoot him in the eye?

That's y'all made that up.

No,

a girl shot Bill in the eye for real.

What are you shooting him with?

22?

22.

Yeah.

Shot him in the eye.

So he wasn't making it up and say my eye.

That wasn't there.

Oh.

But I know that he shot him in the eye.

She shot him in the eye.

That was a hard cover, though.

It was a hard cover, but you know, the man was the bill wasn't even woke.

He's sitting up in that motherfucker dead.

He was like.

How y'all do the bad like that, man?

That wasn't.

See what I'm saying?

That wasn't me.

Hey, well, Chief had it with the phone in his hand, too.

You had to prop his ass back up.

What's up, Bill?

Politics, you ran for

councilman and

council.

Yeah, I ran for city council.

You gonna do it again?

I am.

I was going to do it this time, but this snake in the grass,

I'm going to say no names, but he's a snake

um

he was telling me that he was gonna do this

in this seat and i was gonna do that in that seat and yeah man we're gonna do this together man we're gonna be together man

and then push turned into a shove and homeboy was like

he did something else

So nah, I'm gonna do it though again.

You're gonna do it again?

Yeah, but it won't be on those terms though.

Right.

It'll be on my own.

Have you always been into politics?

I have.

I've always been into politics.

Tricks, politrix.

Politrix, okay.

That's what's happening now.

Right.

I think that if people really gave a damn about the condition of black people, then they would do more than

talk.

Right.

You know, they would do more than

spoon feed us.

If you really, really, really, really, really

gave

any

jam

about

the condition

of

our community,

then

you would do

what needs to be done for that community.

And it's not putting programs in place, or it's not, you know, government assistant, or it's not

this or that, or taking our education away from us so we'll never know who the we are.

It's not that.

All right.

And I don't know why a certain group of people feel like they have to continuously punch down,

that's the word, punch down on black people.

I know for a fact that black people are so

great.

So great.

I'm talking about birthright great.

Yeah.

Birthright great.

Until

people would do anything to dim that light

do anything to dim that light or make you forget who you are

and then impose and interject

the you that they want you to be

and and that's that would be the you that you become

if you really think about it

I know you're a sports fan and your guys got KD.

Y'all gonna win the championship this year?

I like KD.

I like KD too.

I asked you, are you gonna win the championship?

I said I like KD.

Damn.

We have a...

Y'all got a good ass team.

We got a good team.

KD, Amin Thompson, y'all

Shingoon, y'all Resign Van Flint.

Shingoon.

Spell it.

Never mind.

Cause look, when I was a little boy, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

So when I was a little boy, right, we said a big ass word, and my grandmother be like, so-and-so, so-and-so, spell it.

So when I heard Shangoon, I said, spell it.

Yeah.

I think it's S-E-N-G-U-R.

However you spell it.

Boy, so one time

Brad was like

four or five and Bryce was like two, right?

And

Bryce walked up to Brad and he slapped the shit out of Brad.

And I heard and I looked back and Bryce said, ooh, Brad, I'm sorry, Brad.

I'm so sorry, Brad.

I'm sorry, Brad.

That was an accident.

And I say, accident?

Spell accident.

He said, B-R-Y-C-E.

Accident.

It was an accident.

He didn't mean to do it.

Bryce, spelled accident.

That was really good.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Yeah.

So y'all win the championship this year?

What about?

I didn't say that.

The Texans.

Y'all win the championship?

I love C.J.

Stroud.

I love our head coach.

I love...

I like Miko.

I like D'Amico.

D'Amico Rhines is a mean.

He was a coal-ass linebacker.

I don't have nothing bad to say about the Texans, the Rockets, or the Astros.

I think we got three

different sport franchises that are excellent.

Right.

So when I move there, we can go to the games and stuff.

I'm not going nowhere with you.

I wouldn't, and it's not me, and I'm not the genius.

That's why they don't have me in that seat.

But I don't move

Jalen Green

and a few

first-round draft picks

at this age.

They're trying to win now.

Like tomorrow.

Okay, yesterday.

Man, I don't think there's nobody in the league that's going to be better than KD right now.

Yeah.

But he's 38.

36.

Oh, he's 36?

Yeah.

Warren?

Why you tell me a man 38?

Oh, he 36?

Yeah.

Oh, shit, I would have took KD any day.

I thought he was old as hell.

I thought you remember when the Rockins picked up Scotty Pippens?

Yeah.

And Scotty Pippen was like 42?

Yeah.

Like, damn.

He's on his last leg.

Yeah.

Yeah.

KD ain't on his last leg.

KD.

KD got some mean ass game.

So now KD's 36, he automated.

And yeah, we'll probably get to the dance.

But we got to go see goddamn Steph, man.

And Steph can shoot from outside in the parking lot.

Y'all got to go see the Thunder, too.

Oh, them young cats with no names.

Yeah.

You talking about the no-name game?

Ain't got no names over there.

They don't have no big name.

Do they got a big name over there?

Shea, the MVP.

He's a big name.

Naba, was he a big game, big name?

I mean, he just been averaging 30 the last three years.

I'm just saying, he's in.

He wasn't, you ain't LeBron James and

Shea.

You're not saying, oh, that's cold.

Like, you know.

Yeah, but, yeah, but I mean, you're talking about historically all-time transcendent great players.

They ain't but

ain't but a thousand of them.

But what I'm saying about these kids is

that's a team full of no-name.

They're not star names.

They're great.

They're not star names.

But that works for them.

And that work, man.

And they kicked ass, man.

They kicked.

I'm so proud of the Thunderman.

Like, them was little kids, man.

Them kids can't be.

What's the oldest?

25?

I think the average age is like 26.

God damn.

And you did that?

They did that.

Wow, that's a coaching.

Let me get off the players and get on the coaching.

Because

they probably had that team a couple of years ago, too.

It got better.

That coaching, man.

That coaching, bro.

Can't beat that coaching, man.

So, no, I'm proud of the Thunder.

So, we got to get through Steph, and then we got to get through the no-name game.

And then we'll get to the dance.

Face.

Thanks for stopping by.

Man, don't squeeze my f ⁇ ing hand hard, bro.

I swear to goodness.

Much love.

You see, you tried to give me.

I wasn't trying to squeeze that motherfucker hard.

His hand feels like two big-ass ketchups missing.

I'm trying to shake the man's hand.

Scarface, ladies and gentlemen.

What's going to be unique about this today, we're going to throw out a song, and Face is going to tell us the meaning behind the song, where it was, what he was thinking when he actually wrote the lyrics to this song.

So the first song we're going to start out with is Mary Jane.

And how the music came out.

And how that came about.

Yeah.

So

I wrote it originally to the Commodore song called Say Yeah.

Okay, you'll feel that now that you know that, okay, like the way the words are spaced out.

So, I wrote it like that.

I ended up recording it in LA,

and um, Mike Dean came up with a piano line that went like this: it was like,

and then Tone hit the drum, and it was kind of like

Right.

I remember clearly,

because

I had took a,

this is bad, but I took an ecstasy.

And

it's just one of them, being in the studio in a vocal booth by yourself, and it was cold.

And the only thing that came to my mind was,

and I don't really remember feeling like this.

Right.

And it went.

That's how it went.

I wanted to...

I wanted to make it sound like I was talking about a woman, right?

Right.

So

I'm at my mother-in-law's house.

My wife is laying in the bed sleeping.

I'm like, damn.

I've got this love forming in my life for this dame.

And indeed, not the form of life.

And that's a shame how man can fall in love with leaves.

And not a brains, not afraid to let you up and leave and do your things.

Share the happiness with all my folks and got us high.

For the days that we was, hey, wait, share her happiness with all my folks and got us high.

For the days that we were lost and broke, shit, I said shit in this song, got us by.

On the radio, it got by.

Got us by.

Only rightly stopped and get the props.

Because she came in the block of only find the crops.

I need to hear you sing.

So, the same chick that sung Mr.

Thuggest Ruggest Bone, yes, sung the hook on this.

Really, really,

and and

she went

and tone was saying, Say, Mary, I love

that came from the Rick James part of it.

Yes, there you go,

Mary, I love

now.

I pick up my guitar and I put a B and it's going

and then the hook came back in was like

second verse was like

when the world starts to stress you out, what you do?

Put a cancer stick off in your mouth or grab a brew.

Sold in stores, but the fact remains this.

They were made and the government's been taxing that, getting paid.

That's why it was all illegal in the first place.

That's why it was all illegal because the government couldn't tax it and get...

paid from it.

But if it's taxable, it's cool as smoke then.

Kill or not?

Ain't it alcohol that's killing folk?

True or not?

Other people try to make you bad, but I know you're not.

And when my situation is looking sad, I know I've got a true friend in my time of need.

Cause you all I need.

Girl, you natural.

You come from seeds, not out of greed.

It makes me happy when I'm feeling pain.

And once again, it makes me happy just to hear your name.

Do your thing,

Mary Jane.

Just sit there and you just smoke down.

Yeah.

Well, you didn't need to smoke out.

You was already high.

Yeah, but that song makes you smoke out.

I was extra when I wrote it.

Exactly.

When I wrote it.

And that's why you hear the first words going, got this love forming in my life.

And then it got done going for this day.

And indeed, the form of life.

That's a shame.

Like, it was some shit going on in that song that was kind of,

and you had to be high.

Face, when you're writing a song, do you have an idea of the chords that you choose?

No clue.

You just writing the words.

I'm just writing the music.

Okay.

To songs, and then the words will kind of come like you kind of start off with a piece of

an idea, and then you write a verse to it.

And then whoever you're working with on the song will, you know, will start working on it more and putting it more together.

So you write your first verse and you lay it.

And then you work on the music a little bit, and you go home, and you write the second verse.

And then you put the first verse with the second verse and then you write the third verse and then you lay it all.

And then you listen to it and listen to it and listen to it.

And then you go back and re-record it.

And sometimes I don't even have to re-record it because it's that perfect.

Wow.

I believe in being absolutely perfect.

So you don't.

You know, a lot of times when you're on a set or you're doing a movie, you're doing a commercial.

Oh, that was perfect.

But let's do one more time just to make sure.

Like, once you lay it and you like, you feel good about it, you're done.

That's it.

I don't need a safety.

Don't need one.

Guess who's back?

So that was

a record.

I was trying to get a record from,

I was trying to get a record from Jay-Z.

Okay.

And

Kanye was playing beats, and Jay-Z was sitting in the corner in a chair.

And Kanye was playing beats.

And

Jay was sitting there and he was talking.

And then he heard those pianos.

And he was like,

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And you'd be like, ooh,

He'd be looking at you like, yeah, nigga, I'm about to give you the business right quick.

So,

that's all it takes for him to do ooh a couple times.

And he go into vocal, and he lay his vocals.

Like, he never wrote nothing down.

He didn't write it down.

So, he just hearing the beat and he just hear, and he goes into

the booth, and he lays it down.

And then I'm sitting sitting at the board he leaves me stuck at the board writing every time dabs me up and he leaves the room right

I come in I'm writing I'm thinking about what I'm gonna say

so I'm writing it

and I said

From the womb to the tomb with a hot pot, a jar and a spoon, trying to touch me 40,000 and move.

Listen,

from the womb to the tomb with a hot pot a jar and a spoon trying to touch me 40,000 and move to the next dose button

yeah

to the tomb with a hot pot a jar and a spoon trying to make me 40,000 and move motels star studded rock stars and goons Plain clothes wanted running my room.

Woo!

But guess who's bizarre?

It's your boy Facebook.

I started with an eight ball.

Gotta get this cake dog.

Give niggas a break.

No, you know how the game go?

You think I slayed four to go against the grain?

No, I'm out here in grind mode, wrapped up in the paper chase.

I want a f ⁇ ing fine hoe, candy paint the 88.

I ain't got no hoesale, cause that ain't how I wanna run it.

Here, take these five stones and bring a nigga back 100.

I gotta see my feet, dude.

You do shit a fiend do.

The fire gets you hot in the kitchen.

I hit them streets, fool.

Money is an issue, and that's on the for shizzle.

My nizzle, your block warm, I come by with that pistol.

And make for show I get to work mine one car at a time

Because if a motherfucker got a block bubbling right and you want that

the only way that you can get that block from this is go by there and shoot it up and then the cops will be sitting out there Okay, all right, I come by with that pistol and make for sure I get to work mine one car at a time We go to war and you ain't making a dime.

You don't want to go to war nigga.

Let me go on down here and work my shit too.

You know, we'll go to war and you ain't making a dime because I ain't got shit to lose.

A out here paying his dues, my baby walking gotta get in some shoes.

It's a new game, brewing.

Let me get you the rules.

Get out of line, and I'm gonna get the rules.

Get out of line, and I'm gonna get you the blues.

It's a new game, brewing.

Let me get you the booze.

Get out of line, I'ma get you the blues.

On my block.

So I was

in the studio.

These are the Def Jam albums, by the way.

Those are Def Jam songs.

And those songs were so...

That was probably the easiest time I've ever had to record an album because I didn't have to make the music to it.

Okay.

But a couple of guys came by the studio.

Nasheen, well, Nasheen Merrick came to the studio and he was playing beats.

And

they had this record

that was by

Roberta Flack and Donnie Hathaway.

And it went like this.

It was like,

Be real black for me.

Be real black for me.

Remember that?

Yes.

Just something about dope-ass music.

So I'm here in the vibe

and I'm thinking about the best way.

Like, how does this music make me?

How does this beat make me feel?

How does the piano rip make me feel?

Like, I want to say something about my neighborhood, man.

Like,

every day been like the same old thing on my block.

Like, let's reminisce on what's happening on the block.

Every day been like the same old thing on my block

you either working or you juggle cocaine on my block you had to hustle that's how we was raised on my block and you stayed on your hop until you made you a knot on my block hangout was a thing back then And even if you left out, you came back in to my block.

From Holloway, Belford to Scott.

Reed rode the flocks.

We know the spots.

Just go eat the rocks.

Just go eat the rocks.

We know where to get that shit from, man.

We know where to get it.

Let's go eat the rocks, the drink, or the blue dots.

On your block, you probably bred a fat pad, a Tupac, a big pun, a B.I., your homework from knee high.

And even if it was storming outside, that nigga be by.

That's me, dog, on my block.

I ain't had to play no big shot.

Them niggas knew me back when I was stealing beer from Shamrock.

And my nickname is creepy.

And if Black June could see me, he'd be tripping.

And I bet he still probably teased me on my block.

Black June was the homie, man.

Yeah.

He got killed young by

a police officer.

He was in the high-speed chase, and they shot through the car and shot him in the back of the neck.

17 years old.

And he never got a chance to see

that life, man, because he died way back in the 80s, man.

And if Black June could see me he'd be tripping and I bet he still probably tease me man So my block where everything is everything for Sheesy on my block We probably done it all homie believe me on my block We made the impossible look easy for Sheesy I never leave the block the homies need me Never leave the block.

I never leave the block

I never leave the block.

I never leave the block.

The homies need me.

Imagine if you took the game, you took the instructions out the game, right?

It ain't gonna operate.

You know,

I remember talking about the cars.

It's like

on my block,

we race apollos bone stock

on my block.

I ain't have to play the big shot

on my block, racing police

on my block.

We race a pilot's bone stock.

On my block.

On my block, we queueing all the time playing dominoes.

Keep the swish and sweets down till my mama goes back in the house.

Hey, listen, do you remember when you used to have to hide your dope from your boy?

You don't know nothing about it.

You don't fly no dope now.

So, you used to have to hide that shit from your mama when they come outside, right?

On my block, we queue in all the time playing dominoes.

Keep that swish and sweet down until my mama goes back inside.

and then we can fire it

fire yeah pass it around a few times and get high

remember sitting back man

the neighborhood i got footage of this on my instagram page i sitting in the back yard of my homeboy house and we drink beer

we barbecue we tell tales

You know, smoke a few squares.

Pull it down for me.

I remember when we was kids, right?

Be like, man, let's go smoke some dope.

And that meant they was going to go out and smoke a few squares and shit, right?

Now, when somebody says, let's go smoke some dope, you don't know what the they talking about.

So I'd be like, you know what, man?

Go ahead.

I don't get how I know.

But you know, back then, face, cigarettes, anything smoking, you had to hide from your parents.

It wasn't just weed.

You know, funny thing, I never had to do that.

Really?

You could smoke around your mom?

Boy, you were lucky.

I mean, I don't know how lucky I was, but I grew up in the...

Well, it started with my grandmother.

Okay.

All right.

So I lived in the house of my grandmother.

And my uncles, and all my uncles smoked and shit, right?

Right.

And they started smoking at a young age.

When I had a cigarette shit, I was smoking in the house.

I couldn't have been no more than 19, 10.

And I know people are going to think I'm full of shit, but I swear to God.

I went 9, 10, 11, 12 years old.

I'm smoking.

Matter of fact, I'm at school with a smoking pass.

Back in junior high school, you can smoke cigarettes at school if you had a pass, right?

You had to get you had to get clear for your parents, you had to get clear from your parents.

I'm telling my age right now, I'm 54, but yeah, I was smoking for real.

Wow, yeah, wow, not proud of it, but shit.

You did what you did, I did what I did, man.

This song,

because I really want to know the backdrop.

I've never seen a man cry until I seen a man die.

The backdrop of that.

So

the backdrop of that, man, is I got high.

Man, you've been riding some five-ish when you high.

Yeah.

I was stoned.

And I promised that if I ever came down off that high, I wouldn't never get high again like that.

But I was drinking beer.

and taking painkillers, okay?

And I had smoked the joint.

I don't want nobody to try this shit at home.

What kind of combo were you on?

Drinking beer, smoking, taking pain pills?

So I had broke my arm.

Either that or I got shot.

Something happened.

Damn, face.

Yeah.

And I needed, I didn't want to hurt no more.

Nate Dogg had the coldest song on that one.

I

don't want to hurt no more.

Don't want to hurt no.

Yeah, I didn't want to hurt no more.

Right.

So I took a painkiller.

I was drinking Miller Lights anyway.

And I smoked a square.

And that shit didn't end well.

Did the words, I mean, how long did it take you to come up to lay those verses for that?

Did it just start, the pen just started writing?

It was like an auto pen.

So

I was in the studio and I made a beat.

And it started with a bass line.

And the bass line went like.

right?

I did that on the keyboard.

And then I played the

right.

So that's what I wrote the words to.

Okay.

The bait, the bait, the beat.

So that's the original way

that I set it up.

And then Mike Dean comes in with the

let me hear

he had the

Mike Dean also played this guitar part that went kind of like this.

So I had to take this home, right?

Yay.

And I'm high as hell.

And the first thing I came up with was

Freach's father with his hands out.

He can pilotate it slightly.

Glad to be the man's child.

The world is different since he's seen it last.

Been seven years he's out of jail and he's happy that he's free at last.

All he had was his mother's letters.

Now he's mobile and he's got to make a change and make it for the better.

But he's black, so his guy was strike a gangster

and he's young.

Plus, he came up in the system, but he's small, and he's finally making 18.

Right, I'm coming up with these words, man.

The words are flowing, right?

But the more I wrote, the more dead I felt.

Yeah, I was, I was done.

I had that kind of high, that I had that blackout high.

Yeah,

you know, so that's the, that was the writing process on this song, man.

I was, I didn't want to,

I didn't, I didn't want to be high no more.

You know what I mean?

I remember, I remember that

verse where I said, um,

I hear you breathing, but your heart no longer sounds strong.

But you're kind of scared of dying, so you hold on.

And you keep on blacking out, and your pulse is slow.

Stop trying to fight the reapers.

Just relax and let it go.

That's how high I was.

Wow.

That was high.

I was writing that record

yeah

i was i i really went in there and got some shit uh

because there's no way you can fight it though you still try and you can try it till you fight it but you still die your spirit leaves your body and your mind clears your mortar starts to satanate you out of go

like

that's a real that's that's how i felt man wow but

when i got to the studio and land i wasn't high no more i was coming down land and it was like I was like,

he greets his father with his hands out.

Rehabilitated slightly, but glad to meet the man's child.

The world is different since he's seen it last.

Out of jail been seven years, and he's happy that he's free at last.

All he had was his mother's letters.

Now he's open.

And he's got to make a change and make it for the better.

But he's black.

So he's got one strike against it.

And he's up.

Plus, he came up in the system.

But you never know

how those words are going to come out upon delivery because I stand firm on letting the beat guide.

Okay.

I use my voice as an instrument.

Like I don't, you'll never hear a song from me where the beat is doing one thing and my voice is doing another.

Like it's not going to be a mono tone.

Right.

Like, you know, you how some rappers get on the microphone and they rap the same way every time because they're not letting that beat lead.

You know, they rapping off of their own instinct and not letting that beat guide.

You gotta let that beat guide.

And in order to let that beat guide, it's a vibe.

Right.

It's a vibe, man.

So, you know,

some records you hear me

rapping

this way and the next, you'll hear like, who is that nigga?

Right.

Like, I remember one time we was doing that.

Sitting at the stoplight, looking at hoes.

Peeping out this bitch in her black Jabose.

Windows rolled up tight, top was flows, flows blowing switches sweet smoke out my nose e40 called me right he's like man you let warren you let warren get on the track i'm like nah nigga that's me

yeah so i'm changing my voice i'm changing i'm changing the dynamic the pitch i'm changing the flow the come lines are different you know the the the patterns the rap patterns are different Sunday morning, I'm off in church, sinning throughout the week, hustling every day.

I'm getting it as we speak.

I listen to preacher preach mama singing the song ain't clapping the hands no choir singing the song ain't clapping the hands my mama singing along i'm uncomfortable i want to leave can't let my mama see i ain't listening to the message but it's it's it's um

there's different deliveries on different songs different songs call for different deliveries different beats man Is it ever been a situation where

you write it while you're high, and then when you come down off that, you're like, okay, I hope I can get right back into that headspace.

Oh, once you get it, it's in there.

Once you find out, once you get back to what you were writing and the pattern that you was writing it in,

you in there.

But I ain't wrote nothing high in a long time.

Of course, I ain't been writing, but I ain't did nothing.

I ain't, damn, Shannon, you trying to act like I'm just a dope fee.

Like, I gotta be high.

Nah, I'm messing with you, but nah, bro.

It's just, you know, I don't smoke weed all the time.

Okay.

You know,

but when I do, I'm not just going to be burning out brain cells.

Right.

So there's got to be something being created.

That's what I was about to ask.

When you smoke, are you smoking to get

a frame of mind that you can write?

No.

Oh, you just smoke.

You just smoking to smoke.

No, I'm not just smoking to smoking.

I'm smoking.

I'm smoking to.

I'm smoking to spark

ideas.

Right.

But I'm just not riding around smoking all day long just to be smoking.

So if you see me smoking some weed, I'm in a vibe.

Right.

And I haven't smoked weed in a long time.

Is that what it would take you to get back in?

I mean,

smoke some weed?

No.

What would it take you to get back to the pen that we know face to have?

They got to pay.

Like this shit is free now.

I'm not, it's not paying, man.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Like, this is where the money is.

Like, short and I out on a tour, we're calling it the function.

you know this is where the money is even though uh tires we're still recording uh e40 still recording everybody's still recording i just don't see the value and i'm spoiled

i'm spoiled i remember when you can sell a record you can sell records five six seven eight nine ten dollars correct now it's zero cent it's zero it's it's it's half a cent on a cent for a stream so i don't see the value and wasting my time i can't get my time back right you know i got a catalog that'll carry me and you know yeah you're good you feel me like I got it I got a pretty decent catalog and I'm always thinking of some some other funky ways to to revamp me you know what I mean yeah like this is this just didn't come overnight

like I've been doing my band shift

for 20 years matter of fact aunt sent me something yesterday sent us something where it was

how long was that 25 years ago it was 25 almost 20 years ago okay of us you know working with our band shit

All right.

And I went on the road with a band and I wasn't even getting paid, but I knew that eventually the game would catch up to what I'm thinking.

Yeah, where I'm at in my mindset.

Because we can stand on stage and

grab our shit and walk and lip-sync to our shit,

or we can bring it back to the essence of where it came from.

You know,

like I,

we built this music, man.

Right.

We built this music.

Tupac's last song he recorded was with you, 1994, Smile.

I can't say that.

Hold on.

Yeah, do you remember that before you passed?

It might have not been 94.

What year did Smile come out?

It came out in 96.

It came out in 97.

97.

But we recorded it when you guys recorded it that September.

Hey, man, you know what?

That could very well be the last song that he recorded.

Absolutely.

That could very well be the last song because I remember leaving L.A., going to Chicago,

and

hearing that he was shot.

But me knowing Pac, like I know Pac, you know, he's going to get up and he's going to be talking shit again.

Right.

All right.

You can very well be right, man, because we recorded that in September or June.

And he got shot in that September.

He got shot in.

Okay, we recorded that song in June or July

of 96.

He got shot and killed in 96.

September.

Okay, so that can very well be that last record.

But I like me knowing Pac and how he worked.

I doubt it.

Possible, though.

Because he probably laid down 15, 20 songs a day.

Because that was, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Tyson-Holyfield fight.

It might have been Bruno.

Check the fact that I found it.

I see, I went to the Frank Bruno fight.

That was in like April of 96.

Okay.

Who did he fight right after that?

I think it was Holyfield.

I can't say that.

We'll look it up.

We've got to look that up.

Yeah.

I think he was fighting Polthar or somebody.

It wasn't Holyfield, though.

Because he remember, he saw Holyfield back to back.

96.

He fought him, he lost, and then he turned around and fought him again in 97 when he bit his ear.

Yeah, but no.

Pac was still around, though.

No?

I don't think so.

I mean, see, we can look it up.

See,

when did Pac

get killed?

I think it was September of 96.

Okay, so when did Tyson fight Holyfield?

September 13th, 1996.

713?

So you say Tyson Holyfield fight?

Yeah, he fought him twice.

He fought him in 96 and 97.

He fought him in December, right?

He fought him on my birthday, November 9th.

So, yeah, November 9th, 1996.

The second fight was June 28th, 1997.

When did Tupac get killed?

September.

Yeah, September 13th, 1996.

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I think it was a Bruno.

It might have been

who did Holy Field fight.

There was a fight going on out there.

It was Mike Tyson and Bruno.

Because I was at the Bruno fight in April.

Yeah, Bruce Selden.

Bruce Selden.

Selden.

Okay, one of the biggest.

Yeah, Buskin.

Yeah.

But,

man, Pac was a hell of a dude, man.

He was

before his time.

He was way before his time.

More money mean more litigating.

More player hating.

Got a...

A sale at the pen for me waiting.

Wow.

So,

smile,

when you're writing that, what's going on?

What are you thinking?

So

Pac, we recorded that like way before he passed.

Like a couple of...

Recorded that in June or July.

June, July of 96.

Right.

And he ends up passing in September of 96.

Right.

So we wrote the song,

you know, before he passed.

And

like Pac would always have this thing with me where he would be so pissed off that I would be sitting at the board still writing and everybody threw it they shit,

you know, and he would always say, hey man, you got it, you gotta you gotta find a way to get across to the bitches without offending them.

Right.

And the niggas gonna want what the bitches want.

And then whatever the last word is of your verse, that's the name of the song.

And I was like,

okay.

But nonetheless, I still sat down in front of that board and I came up with those words, man.

But it was done to a whole totally different beat.

Shout out to Tone Capone

and Mike Dean because I think that the job that we did on this song, on this version of that particular song, was awesome, man.

Tone always wanted those, was it pizzicados?

What are they called?

Pizzicatos.

He always loved the plank, blank, blank, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink.

Johnny P was still alive.

The one was like, Do you want to ride in the back seat?

My caddy chopper helped.

Tone had a vibe in his head.

Tell

me,

do you still care

about me?

Right?

So he just broke, that came into smile

for me.

That's Tonkapon.

Won't you just smile

for me?

And then Johnny P was in the studio and he sung that shit.

And

some kind of way we got a chance to use that record on my album.

But I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it man.

That's when Pac told the engineer man you ain't got too many more my bads.

Right.

He's been a judge.

That's when the I think Pac may have been the first one the first artist to beat up an engineer.

I could be wrong

But I know he used to beat his engineers up

I wrote it down like

Neverwise I opened up my story with the blaze of your blunt.

That's so you can reflect.

That's so you can reflect, okay?

You You know what I'm saying?

So you can kind of reflect on what I'm saying, man.

You sit back and

damn.

As I open up my story, put the blades of your blunt.

So you can pick your thoughts slowly up on phrases I run.

And I can walk you through the days that are done.

I often wish that I could save everyone, but I'm a dreamer.

Have you ever seen a who was strong in the game?

Overlooking his tomorrows and they finally came.

I look back on childhood, remember reason.

I'm still feeling the pain.

Turning circles in my ninth grade to deal in cocaine.

Too many hassles in my local life, surviving the strain.

And a man without a focus, life could drive me insane.

I'm stuck inside a ghetto fantasy, hoping to change.

But when I focus on reality, I'm broken in chains.

I had a dream of living wealthy and making it big, but over football, chose to cook wrong, taking and dig.

And after all, my mama's thanking God for blessing the child.

Cause all my mama got to do now is collect it and smile.

Won't you just smile

for

me?

That's cold-blooded

whose kids write music like this, man?

I would love for us to be able to get our music back.

You know what I'm saying?

I would love for us to be able to make our music like we made our music.

You know, even though

from Mays to

R.

Kelly, from R.

Kelly to Chris Brown,

we didn't lose too much into that.

We didn't lose a lot.

You know, that music's still great, man.

It's kind of like...

from rock him to

cane to public enemy to cube and nwa to ghetto boys to you know snoop to

and then you start uh

tribe card quest you gotta think about all of the great music LL Cool J Rundy MC those

masterpieces of hip-hop you know KRS1

yeah you know the masterpieces the Jay-Z's the Nas's I said Nas already yeah

yeah okay well I should have said it twice so I mean those masterpiece classics that will always be remembered forever you know what I mean yes like

LL Cool J bro

He don't get the credit that he deserves.

No, he single-handedly put this shit on the map, bro.

He did.

And then you have have to look at.

He got women to listen to start listening to the rap.

Because he was singing to them.

Hey, man, the man.

The man broke some shit down, man, on the record, man, that was mind-blowing to me.

Who can take the game of rap and rule it alone?

Just playing many styles on the microphone.

Like, the man was cold, man.

For sure.

And he single-handedly

gave us

a platform to stand

today

with that Rock the Bell shit.

Oh, for sure.

Man, I went out and I did a concert for Rock the Bells on a couple of occasions.

And this last one I went to in New Jersey, I walked out on the stage and was like, shit.

Look at all these people.

Hip-hop lives, man.

For sure.

And thanks to that guy that's recovering.

You know what I mean?

Like, he had some great shit on that.

He had

Rakehem Kane, Plies, Boosie, me,

Roxanne Shantae was on that shit.

That's my twin.

Yeah.

But

I love what he's doing with it, man.

I think that everybody should take time out and pause.

and thank LL Cool J for what he did and what he's doing for this culture, man.

Like for real.

Thanks for performance, bro.

Man, we ain't even started performing yet.

Let's play,

let's leave him.

Let's go out with a bang.

Fire it up.

I don't even care what it is.

What we going out with?

I don't care.

Mind playing tricks on you.

You got Friday night lights.

Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

What you want to go out with?

No, let's do something else.

What you got?

Do Da Dun

Da Dun Da Da Um

Dodo Doodo Dum

Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Dum

Da

Do do do

banana banana

Can't be life

Can't be love

Be more

can't be us it's gotta be more

So I'm leaving to go to baseline from Death Jam.

I think my brother called me.

I think Warren Glee called me and told me that

one of the homies' babies that had died, man, I was devastated.

Because I got a two-year-old.

I had a two-year-old back then.

But that baby got a hold of something that he wasn't supposed to get a hold of.

And that shit kind of blew me the fuck away.

That's why the verse came out so cold, because it was so true.

Because I had walked into the studio to

the studio to do this for Jig.

I got a phone call from one of my niggas.

They say my homeboy, Reed,

he just lost one of his kids.

And when I heard that, I just broke your tears.

And he ain't in secondhand.

You don't really know how that is.

But when they hit that close to home, you feel the pain at the crib.

So I called my sad my wife at the bad news.

Captain, my blessing, clumped my blessings, because Brad's too.

That's one of them ones, man.

You.

Shit.

Brad, two years old when that happened, man.

Loving your kids just like he was ours.

And I'm hurting for you, dog.

But ain't nobody painting like yours.

But I just know it happens.

So heaven's open his doors and you and on the blind on the bright side you can feel it like this god's got open arms homie he in the midst who loves all who loves all and hates not one

because he in the midst he in the midst of good company who loves all and hates not one and one day you're gonna be with your son i could have talked about my hard times in his songs

But heaven knows I would have been wrong.

Would have been right.

Wouldn't have been us.

It wouldn't have been life.

It wouldn't have been love.

It wouldn't have been right.

Can't be life.

A lot of niggas be bragging about their bands and shit,

but I know for a fact can't nobody with them.

You still up?

I can stand, I can stand on the stage and stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.

Do that.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Tell you, man,

all I gotta do is just dream it.

I just gotta dream it.

Live, live on

Club Shay Shade.

We're gonna get down into a deeper interview in a few minutes, but I just wanted my partner to show up to see that musical side.

Gonna give him the business, fuck it.

Hold up, hold up, louder, louder, louder.

Oh, yeah.

Niggas say, uh.

Once I lived the life of a millionaire

Spending all of my money, honey, I've declared

Making my friend

nobody's good

Life and I should give champagne water

Soon as my money got away

I couldn't find a place

it had

before

But if I ever love

you down a pen

I'm a hold on

in the grave

Nobody wants you

when you're down enough

Nobody wants you

when you're down

Nobody won't shout when you're down

So I hear a lot of people talk about their bands and shit man, but after being together so long, we kind of know what we thinking.

So

it's

y'all on the wavelength.

Yeah,

we right there.

I can turn that shit up like this.

Yeah, get up loud like that.

I can bring it back down.

Yeah,

scarface, ladies and gentlemen.

Nobody won't judge,

nobody won't judge, we can't down you know.

Nobody won't judge, we can't down and all.

Nobody won't

All my life, been grinding all my life.

Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price.

Want a slice, got to roll the dice.

That's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Sacrifice, hustle paid the price, wanna slice.

Got to roll the dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my my life.

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