Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 1

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I think Pac may have been the first artist to beat up an engineer.

I could be wrong.

But I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it, man.

That's what Pac told the engineer, man, you ain't got too many more, my bad.

All my life, been grinding all my life.

Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price.

Want a slice, got the roll of dice.

That's why.

All my life, I've been grinding all my life.

All my life, been grinding all my life.

Sacrifice.

Hustle paid the price.

Want a slice.

Got to roll a dice.

That's why.

All my life.

I've been grinding all my life.

Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay.

I am your host, Shannon Sharp.

I'm also the proprietor of Club Sheche.

Stopping by for conversation on the drink today is a living legend.

He's an icon, a pioneer from the South.

He's been in the music industry of over 35 years.

One of the most influential rappers in history.

One of the top lyricists of all time.

A member of one of the most successful rap groups ever, the Ghetto Boys, a beloved Houstonian, platinum-selling hip-hop artist, a celebrated record producer, gifted storyteller, respected label executive.

He was president of Death Jam South, breaking an artist like Ludacris.

He's on everybody's top five rapper lists.

Your favorite rapper's favorite rapper.

Some refer to him as the king of the south.

Here he is, ladies and gentlemen.

Good friend of mine.

Terrible golfer, Scarface.

Faith, what'd it do?

I had to tell him.

You know I'm gonna get that in.

You know I'm gonna get that in.

You know, I feel bad, man, because I'm getting ready to go on stage, and I got on my concert kit.

Like, this is what I call a concert kit.

Like, normally, everybody be having their suits on when they come on your show, man.

They be looking all fly.

Right.

But this is how I be looking when I go on stage.

So if you see me on stage, then you probably see me in this.

You'd be like, damn.

You going on stage with them new ballots?

I'm good, man.

Don't do it.

I'm good at this.

We ain't had no choice growing up either, Shannon.

All we did was talk about each other.

Hey, but yeah.

This side goes down.

Every time we get on the phone, yo,

we got a Jones.

We got you, man.

How you been, bro?

Bro, I've been great, man.

Thank you for taking time.

I know your business.

You got a concert in a few hours and taking time out of your day.

Went through sound check.

Can't wait till people see a couple of songs that you performed for us and tell us what was going through your mind at the time of performing.

But this is my cognac.

This is Shea by Laportier.

It's a premium BSOP.

You understand anything?

You know by Cognac?

Yeah, man.

You know what BSOP stands for, right?

No.

Very special Old pale.

That means.

You know what I heard?

And you tell me if there's any truth to this.

So the Hennessy guy and Heinz, were they locked up in prison together?

I don't know about that.

So I want people to look into this.

So Hennessy, the maker of Hennessy on somebody that was a fan of Heinz, they were locked up in Hennessy.

Hines ketchup?

No, Heinz, H-I-N-E-S, that's like a cognac.

Okay, huh?

It's like the upper echelons of cognac, man.

So I heard this story, man.

I want to get some validity to it and just see.

But yeah, cognac makers, man.

Is this that kind of cognac?

This is a premium BSOP.

We've won 13 awards since its inception in 2021.

We won the Simp Award.

The Simple Ward is a blind taste test.

It's the only one that the fans get to decide.

Everything else is judges that have been sipping cognac in a spirits business.

But what they do in the Simple Ward is that they put all the cognacs on the table and then people come by and taste them and they say, well, I like Cup A.

Okay, so I always thought that V S O P meant for very serious serious old people.

No, very special old pale.

And then you got XO, which is extra old.

And then you got XXO, which is extra, extra old.

Slow me down.

Yes.

Boy, you learn something new every day.

And this is a great.

People don't realize this, but this comes from a great.

I was of the Uni Blanc grate and a petite champagne.

Nuzzle it?

This man went straight to it.

I know what the f ⁇ to do.

It's a concert.

Why are you talking to me like this, man?

But I know what to do.

God damn.

That ain't necessary.

How's Sterling doing, man

but he good he good

yeah this ain't no grape here junior

oni block grape and a petite champagne and in order for it to be a cognac hey man it has to start originate in cognac for two years the first two years has to start there Hey man, it's mean right here.

For sure.

We got you covered.

We got you covered.

Oh, no.

Oh, it ain't got no bite.

None.

Oh.

You got to be,

you got to be careful.

Yeah, let me move this back over there.

Boy, you be on stage slurry.

For real.

I'm not going to drink no more.

Ain't nobody got no water.

We get something.

Man, why are you trying to get me drunk for my show?

No, no, no, no, no.

But I just wanted you to taste it.

But.

It's amazing.

It is.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

But we got you covered.

We got you covered.

Yeah, man.

Send me a...

I'll tell you where I I can buy some, man.

Yeah, I'm going to send you some, but I'm going to tell you what you're going to.

It's like that, for real, though.

For real.

Man, Face, it is an honor.

to have you on the show.

It's always great to have people that you admire from a distance.

You know, getting to know you over the last couple of years, you and my brother play a lot of golf together.

I sent word.

I told him what you told me to tell him.

I was on the phone with you and I told you.

No.

You told me to tell him you could get it.

No.

No, I didn't.

Now, why are you saying that, man?

Don't do that, dog.

Don't say that, man.

Well, I told him.

You shouldn't have.

And he sent word back to me.

He flipped something.

He said, hey, he sent a picture back.

He did.

He said,

show face this.

Yeah, no.

Hey, Sterling, I'm going to leave you alone, man.

If you go out there messing with that man, y'all better leave that man alone.

They play golf together.

Every celebrity golf tournament they can attend.

Yeah.

Face is going to be out there.

My brothers be out there with him.

And the man is a scratch golfer, man.

Unbelievable.

He plays all the time.

But he plays from the back, though.

Yeah, he played from the team.

I play all the time, too.

But I ain't finna go back there.

Man, I ain't got nothing to prove, man.

Like,

that's for people that's trying to show up that they still strong, man.

Yeah,

that's the only way to be strong, man.

Let's get into it, Face.

Talk to me.

From Houston, Texas.

What was it like growing up in Houston, Texas for a young Scarface?

So

growing up in Houston as a young Brad.

Yeah, that's a real, that's a government name, Brad.

You know what I'm saying, Brad.

As a young Brad Jordan,

my mother had me so young.

I'm an old man, baby, for real.

I spent a lot of time at my grandmother's house.

Okay.

My grandmother had nine children.

And

I always tell people that I feel like I'm my grandmother's 10th child

because she also

spent so much time with her.

My mom would

I always want to go to my grandma house.

You know, I go over my, my mom and my aunt lived together for a long time.

Right.

And I didn't want to be over there because it was boring.

Right.

But going over there at my grandma's house, man, my uncle was

smoked and jammed.

You know, they had the bands going and my grandfather was crazy as hell.

My grandmother was sweet as pie.

You know, just all, you know,

the neighborhood raised me, man.

You know what I mean?

I'm like one of those kids that the neighborhood raised for real.

But that wasn't what it was like.

It was a sense of community.

And somebody down the street could correct you.

If you were wrong, they would say, Brad, I'm going to tell your mom.

I'm going to tell you.

Tell her.

I don't give a f ⁇ .

For real.

Like, people can vouch for me.

Like, I was a nut.

growing up.

I would cuss.

Yeah.

My uncle would call me when I was.

So I was in the kindergarten.

My uncle Rodney was in the sixth grade, so that's the only time we ever went to school together.

Right.

And he would call me from out of the house to come and curse his friends at point.

And you like doing that too?

Oh,

it was second nature to me.

You don't be able to ride grown folks so, but you heard them.

I don't know, man.

I think this is genetics.

You know how people play football?

Yeah.

You're good at it.

You're musicians.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My grandfather is

a professional.

Cursor.

Oh, my goodness.

Oh, yeah.

What's your fondest memories of growing up as a child?

I think that

sitting in the room.

I don't want to relive this shit, man.

There were some tough times?

No, it was some great

times.

Sitting in

jamming with my uncles in the room, smoking cigarettes and shit.

How were you smoking cigarettes?

Four or five.

In their room, when they put the cigarette in the ashtray?

You grabbed it.

I grabbed it.

Those are those memories, man, that make you think about the entire situation.

You know, you're in the room with your uncle, Eric and Eddie.

Right.

My grandmother beating on the door, telling us to turn it down.

My grandfather in the room cussing up the storm.

you know.

We just making music, bro.

I remember that shit, but it's so emotional going back to

growing up.

I don't know if it touched other people like that, but it with me because

I feel like I didn't get a chance to be a kid.

I feel like I was always grown.

Like, you know, I didn't realize that I was homeless until like now.

Really?

Yeah.

When I left my grandmother's house,

how old were you?

Left my mom, my grandmother.

I was probably

12, 13.

Went to go live with Warren

and his mom.

Neil and my sister Tanya, we all,

but she was always gone, so it was kind of like we raised ourselves.

You know what I mean?

I got like 15, 16 years old.

My mother rented an apartment in her name for me to go live in.

Like

you live in an apartment by yourself.

Let's just call my mom, dog.

Let's just do that.

Cause I don't want nobody to think I'm full of shit.

pause hey

I Been know y'all these years.

I've been thought that

I need a plug for my phone

Hey mama, yeah

So I'm on I'm I'm here on Club Shea Shay with Shannon Sharp

How old was I when you rented that apartment for me?

Well, I think he was either 15 or 16.

that's that's my mama

yep and you stayed by yourself and did very well and have i been back home yet no but i wish you would come just check on your

yeah that would i would i would i'm 54 years old bro i ain't going back home

mama i love you to death i just wanted to clear that up man and i know for a fact that i was smoking cigarettes Did you know mom, did you know he was listening listen to my mama?

This is my mama.

You was doing everything you wanted to do.

All I can tell you is that

you had luck on your hand.

You charmed.

You were a charmed young man.

Because people loved you and they didn't even know why they loved you.

That was that.

Charmed.

Yeah.

He kind of had that impact on people.

I don't know why me and him friends either.

All I can tell you is

everybody loves him.

Everybody.

I even had people to walk up to me and say, you have such a fine,

respectful young man.

I'm thinking, really?

Really?

Too funny.

Even when he'd go buy houses and things, people would just say, oh, that's your son.

He's just so mannerful.

He just got the best manners.

Oh, Lord, what have you told these people?

You know, I tell them anything, mama.

I love you to death.

I'll call you later, okay?

Okay, baby.

Thanks, Mama.

All right, baby.

Told you.

I can't make this shit up.

Did you play sports?

I did.

I was a running back.

Okay.

You are Saquon, you Derek Henry, you Josh Jacobs.

You, I mean,

I was sweetness.

You Walter Payton.

I was sweetness and Earl Campbell mixed in one.

Because if you stand there?

Oh, you're going to run.

You a runner.

Put that motherfucking helmet in your windpipe and keep going.

Keep going.

I played with Alan.

Alan Aldrin was a former teammate of mine.

We won the championship together.

I was in there and I got there at 90.

He came in 94.

Rest in peace.

He passed away a year or two ago.

I went to school with Alan.

Yeah.

Love that kid.

You wrote in your autobiography.

My daddy was dead.

My mama didn't want me.

I didn't really get along with my stepdaddy.

And my grandmother already had nine kids of her own.

That's the truth.

So there really wasn't a place for me at her house either.

We got very similar stories because my grandmother had nine kids of her own.

She raised her nine and took my mom's three.

Damn.

Cole.

Cole.

Your grandmother had nine kids, and then you have brothers and sisters.

Yeah.

But my grandmother didn't have to raise my brother.

She raised my sister.

Right.

But she took on everybody else's children in the neighborhood.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like everybody else, that was their mama too.

Right.

You know.

So.

Yeah, my grandmother was a cold piece of work, man.

She was a she never learned to drive.

No, my grandmother didn't learn to drive either.

That's crazy.

Quick to go get on the passenger side.

She go get in in the passenger side

and tell you.

Yeah, you got a five.

Slow down.

You ain't got no lights.

What the hell?

And then my mother would always tell her mother,

how many steering wheels on this car?

Yeah, my mama was cold-blooded.

So I'm looking at, so we're 21 years apart in all of those stages.

So I'm 21 years younger than my mother.

My mother's 21 years younger than my grandmother.

Wow.

Yeah.

So So I can see my life 21 years from now.

Wow.

And

21 years from that.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And that shit always makes me think about the end.

Shannon.

That shit makes me think about the end.

I can't focus

on living.

Are you afraid of dying?

I'm not.

But I'm just saying, f I ain't got no time.

I'm running out of fing time.

I'm running out of fing time

Like that clock man is ticking man, and I don't want to waste my

time

But I can't waste my time.

That's my biggest fear cuz I can't get it back.

No

Time is the most valuable currency because once it's gone it's gone.

It can never be wiped back get your money back get your house back get your all that shit back get your friends back can't get time back I've seen get his money back yes but I ain't never seen nobody get his time back, man.

And all I can think of, shit, I'm 54.

Shit, I'm 54.

I got a

bad ticker,

son kidney.

And I'm like, wow.

Face, you still, think about the 54, the 54 great years.

Yes, you had open heart.

I saw the scar.

Yes, you have your son's kidney.

I saw the scar.

But 54 years, think about how.

Pause.

Go ahead.

There you go.

No, because I don't want to, because niggas be like, yeah, they was in that little room with puffing them.

But think about the 54 great years.

Yeah, but I ain't trying to cut the off nuts, Shannon.

Come on.

You afraid?

I'm not scared.

I know that that's the inevitable, man, but

I don't want to run out of time right now.

No, you not.

why you thinking about that because you thinking about dying you ain't thinking about living and that's my problem

i can't get past it

i play with that shit so much growing up until i'm like shit i cheated it when i was

a year when i was five when i was seven when i was nine when i was what year was that we went in that we went in that store man and people came in there and robbed that goddang store

that was about 16 17.

15, 16, probably 15, 16, 17.

He was just leaving the Fresh Fest concert, man.

And I seen, I seen, who was it?

Some Hispanic cats?

They survived the ride of the gas station.

Yeah, they came in there, man.

I seen, I say, bruh.

I say, dude, dude, got a big ass gun on him.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Ain't that what I said?

Let's go.

Got out of there, man.

Next morning, that shit on the news.

They shot it up.

Killed that man.

Duck in depth.

Wow.

Duck in depth.

So man, you know, from being shot,

you know,

being in places I shouldn't have been,

being in places I was in, and shit just happened.

And I'm looking at how

Death is just saying, okay, you, come here.

You, come on.

I'm sitting there like, damn.

Damn.

Okay, now you.

It's touching people around you, but I mean super close.

When I was in surgery,

my brother, my manager was in there while he was eating, and

he realized it was taking longer than it was supposed to take.

And then when the doctor finally came out, when the surgeon finally came out,

Which is a friend of mine

He came out and he told him man.

I know that y'all probably hear this all the time, but I don't know how he's still here.

Damn.

You know,

I don't know, bro.

It's a blessing,

but I don't want God to be mad at me and just keep me here and everybody be dead.

Like, all y'all be dead, and I'll be in this mud by myself.

Or I just go fast.

Like,

I

Have you been able to appreciate the knowledge?

No, I have not.

I have not.

I have not been able to,

and that sounds ungrateful as fuck.

I just grew up too fast, bruh.

And I feel like everything that I was working for, I was working to get to.

You know what I mean?

I feel like I accomplished everything that I set out to accomplish

at a young age.

My grandmother would always say

when she would talk to her friends at the church or on the phone or whatever, that you can never underestimate

what a child is saying.

Because I remember telling my grandmother and my grandfather that I was going to be a big rock and roll star.

And I was going to buy my grandfather a big ass boat so we can go fishing and I was going to get my grandma a new house.

I said this out my mouth.

All right?

This is what I said out of my mouth.

And

my grandmother, after all of this stuff started happening, she was saying you can never underestimate

what comes out of a child's mouth, man, because that's what happened.

And

it happened so fast by the time

from, well, but I started when I was 14.

Right.

Okay, I started, you know, trying to rap at 14.

You You know, trying to DJ.

I started off as a DJ

at 14 years old.

That's what I wanted to do.

Were you good at it?

Focused on it.

I was all right.

I was good enough to make it.

What you mean?

Yeah, I did.

You made money.

You did your middle school party.

I did.

I mean, you okay.

I mean, they didn't want to play no money.

They probably played you.

They didn't have to pay me no money.

I already had a little money.

What?

You doing something shady?

What's shady?

You know what shady is?

No clue.

You shady, right?

I think

you have to, you got to do

what the times call for.

Right.

You see what I'm saying?

Mm-hmm.

But you got to do what the times call for.

And if a call came for throwing newspapers, shit, I threw the newspaper.

Hey, does anybody have some toilet paper, napkins, anything?

Boomerang.

We got the right here.

Okay, cool.

One second.

The coolest thing about it, Shan, is when...

I'll pause this right quick, because this shit is going to sound terrible.

Mute this shit.

Snuffle up a cousin ass nigga.

Oh, big nose.

Good thing you ain't have no habit.

I can't say that.

Ah, damn, face.

And you still got money?

I ain't got no money.

I don't want no money.

Look how this nigga look at me.

I don't got no money.

I don't want no money.

I don't want no money.

Okay.

Hell no.

You know how when you got money?

Every motherfucking body else wants your money.

I want no money.

Your dad passed away.

How old were you when your dad passed?

My biological?

Yes.

Maybe seven or eight.

Do you remember?

I don't know him.

I didn't never know him.

But I know how he died.

Because I have the newspaper articles on how my biological father died.

He died

in a woman's house because her husband, her boyfriend, shot him through the door.

He was organ by the woman.

There you go.

Arguing by the woman.

And when he came to the door, the man shot him through the door

and killed him.

And

yeah, that's why when chicks be like, I'm mad, I'd be like, shit, that's it.

I'm good.

Go ahead.

But yeah, my dad now, my dad,

he just passed.

Yeah,

he taught me

he taught me the game, man.

He taught me the real live game.

The real live hustle game.

My dad was the weed man.

Mm-hmm.

And

he would have stalks of weed drying in the closet.

And

I would go in there and I would take

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Yeah,

a little nickel bag.

Yeah, it wasn't a nickel.

It was a nick.

Okay, my bad.

They came with that later.

It wasn't no nick when you was growing up.

When I was growing up, it was a nickel bag.

Now it was a nick.

It's still a nickel bag?

No.

Shannon, I'm not going to ride with this.

It's a nick.

Okay, go ahead.

So I put it you make you a nick.

Yeah,

and then you make you a big dime.

Okay, okay.

So

we had this parsley seed.

He had parsley in the and they got my cousin right there.

We had parsley in the in the in the in the kitchen.

Right?

Mm-hmm.

So I didn't want my daddy to know I was stealing his weed, so I pop off some of that bud that was dried off real good, and I get enough, and I just step on it a little bit with some parsley seeds.

Now, how in the hell did i know to do that i don't know but i did it

you've been shady for a minute i've been shady for a minute man

but i but i can i can honestly say my stepdad man taught me responsibility man he taught me to he he taught me how to be a man bro and you know what standing he stood in the gap bruh um

My other cousin Virtus always say, man,

you got to love him, man.

He stood in the gap, man, because he didn't have to do that.

Right.

You know what I mean?

He didn't have to do that, man.

It's not easy being a step-parent.

That man didn't call me step.

He called you son.

That's it, period.

Did you always have a great relationship with him?

Nope.

I didn't have a great relationship with my stepdad until I understood, you know, until I grew up.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I'm like, damn,

bro.

I ain't trying to move me out the way.

He's trying to give me some game.

And I think from the time when I was

when I started going back to visit, you know, I started getting little jewels and stuff from, and I never will forget, I was coming back from out of town

and I had some stuff with me that came from my job.

And I gave it to my daddy to hold it, to hold it for me.

And then I gave him the money.

And I came back.

And got all my supplies that I went to work with and my money too.

And it was years and years and years and years and years and years down the line.

And I brought it up to him and he said, yeah.

And my mama said, what?

He still had it.

No, he never told my mama about it.

Wow.

You know what I mean?

And that just let me know that even more so

how solid and how he stood on business, man.

Sometimes we don't appreciate stuff.

No, I appreciate him now because because he taught me how to be responsible, man.

Right.

And I would always say that when I would up, I say, man, I don't even want to talk to my daddy about it.

Because he'd always drill in my head about being responsible, man.

Be responsible.

This is you.

You know, and I got a lot, a lot, a lot of respect for that man.

Rest in peace to Willie Terry because he was a hell of a dude, bro.

I read that you used to write down all the sayings.

I live with my grandmother, and I can

recite all the sayings her and my grandfather would say.

Why did you do that?

I don't know, man.

You know what?

You don't realize how smart a person was until you don't have them around.

Or

you take that phrase, you don't get old being no fool

for granted growing up.

But when you think about it, hell, my grandmother was 93, 94 years old when she got out of here.

So I know she wasn't no damn fool.

And she had plenty of sense, man.

And it's not like the education, because a lot of these people, they quit school in second, third grade.

Yeah,

I'm one of them people that quit.

Don't laugh at me.

Hold on, I'm trying to hold on.

Tie about, tie by, tie by.

Let me get it.

We got to go back.

You just said that skyline, right?

Willer Ridge.

Willow Ridge.

They having a class reunion, 35-year.

Yeah.

How you get to go?

I was there.

But you don't.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You quit before they got there.

No, I was there.

No,

just because you started that class, you got to finish.

Oh, no, I was way gone.

You know what I mean?

When you don't get to go to the reunion.

Well, that would tell them that, man, because they calling me.

I've been to every last reunion.

I've been to our.

How do you get to go to the reunion?

Am I missing something?

I had an impact on my class, man.

Face, what grade did you go to?

Ninth and a half.

You don't go that far.

Why you couldn't finish the other two and a half?

For what?

And I don't want to say that.

I don't want nobody to hear me say that, but for what?

Because.

I can count.

I can read.

I can multiply.

Yeah.

You cheating like a mug.

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

See, actually, you're supposed to put a drop in there, and it opens up the body.

Let me see.

No, you got to put a drop in there.

Open up the body.

I'm not, I got a concert tonight, bro.

I know.

Yeah, they let me.

Well,

so you make, so you went to the five-year, the 10-year, the 15, the 20, 25, 30?

Yeah, I go to two class reunions.

How?

Because I was in both classes.

I kind of did what the f ⁇ I wanted to do in all of them.

That's apparent.

For real.

Consider you going to class reunion that you ain't graduated.

I had a math teacher, y'all, that would sit my desk out in the hall every time I came to her class.

She knew that I was coming, and she'd have a desk in the hall for me.

Because you want some bull job.

No, I wasn't on no bull job.

I forgot.

You don't curse, so I ain't gonna curse no more.

He don't like that shit.

So,

um,

I mean, because when I finish with my work, I'm gone.

Right.

I couldn't sit still, man.

You know,

my mom would always say,

What's going on in here?

What is going on in here?

No, mama.

She'd say, well, I don't want you driving no more because you're not focused.

She would always say that she don't want me

driving.

She wants somebody else to drive for me.

Because I have too much going on in my head.

And Margo riding, he'll always be laughing at me.

You know, because I'd be on the phone talking.

I'd be looking at the back seat and driving.

Yeah.

So as a child,

did you feel different?

Did you think you were different?

Because you had all these thoughts in your head?

Did you talk to any of your friends like, man, I'd be thinking this.

You know, I went to, you know, they put me in

an institution for this.

You know that, right?

That's in my book, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, they put me in the,

I spent some time

in one of those things, man,

because of.

They put you in the 51-50 hole.

That's a psych hold.

Yeah, I was on the hold And I was in there and I spent a lot of I stayed out a long ass time Do you remember how old you were?

I mean cuz you I mean I was pre-ad so it had to be 11 12 years old.

Mm-hmm.

So I wasn't quite an adolescent yet.

Were you doing things?

I mean, what were you doing that they thought that this would be this would benefit you?

What was I doing?

Yeah.

They said that I was manic depressive

and

with suicidal

tendencies.

They thought that I was going to kill myself.

And I never said I was going to kill myself.

I did cut my wrist a couple of times.

I did

overdose a couple of times.

But

I realize now, you know, that being older, that if you really wanted to just die, you would just

die.

Were you looking for attention?

So maybe I was seeking some attention from some attention that wasn't there, that has never been there.

You know what I mean?

And I'm going to say it, I say it a thousand times, but

I wasn't controlled.

I didn't have parents that'll, you know, stop me from.

You didn't have guardrails.

I didn't have no guardrails.

I didn't have no boundaries.

You know, my uncles were already grown.

And you doing what they do.

I'm doing what they doing.

I'm smoking cigarettes.

I'm smoking weed.

I got

Indian charges.

You know what?

I smoked crack for the first time in 1983 when the shit was cool.

That's at the height of the epidemic in the 80s, in the beginning.

No, no, that was the cool part in the 80s.

Because you had functioning

fiends.

And you can't say addicts, man.

That's not proper.

They weren't fiends.

They just were users.

Right.

But you do realize, like, the 80s, that ushered in the crack.

No, no, it ushered it in, but back in the early 80s, it was cool.

Trust me.

And now in the 80s, now when I got a hold to the shit, it started

wasn't cool no more.

Right.

That's when the shit started not getting cool.

But so that was before they started stealing TVs and beats.

Yeah, that's when they started porn and shit.

That's when my game switched.

Right.

So I never got hooked on dope.

But, you know, my uncle would come in from the construction construction

on another thing, too.

Like, it was all black construction concrete workers and

flag men on the side of the road when we were growing up.

And then it changed.

And I will get back to that.

But my uncle would come in, man.

He have an eight-ball man.

I learned how to cook.

He put that shit in the beaker and he'd hit it with the torch.

and put water in there and burn it until it turned into a long

little thing.

And it fall out.

And I hit it one time.

There it is.

But I wasn't but 11, 12 years old.

When you say you never got a chance to be a kid, you never got a chance to be a kid.

I never got a chance to be a kid.

You also, how were you when you said

living is hard, dying is the easy part?

I was this many years old.

It was now.

It was an adult.

Like,

dying is the easy part.

And that's why I said again, man,

I was probably trying to get some attention from some of the,

seeking attention from

people that pay no attention to nothing.

Your actual, your biological father?

Your biological.

I don't know.

You don't even know my biological father.

You didn't know.

At all.

But I do know

the side of my biological family.

And I met my cousin in Chicago when we were adults.

Wow.

Uh-huh.

And he said my daddy name.

And I said, yeah, this knows something.

Because don't nobody know his name.

You know what I mean?

And

then we've been super duper tight.

And I got a couple other cousins that I met over

that span, too.

But I didn't know my dad, my biological at all.

How do you learn to deal with those demons?

Because you said there are things going in your head, you know, cut yourself and you tried some other things.

Have you learned?

Because I think, and we're going to get to this, I think that's a lot of way your creativity.

Yeah, you're a psychiatrist or something, bro.

Did you go to school for this shit?

I took a couple of classes.

Yeah, okay, go ahead.

You trying to dig this shit out?

Well, how did you feel when you were seven and you're.

But I'm just saying because

listening at your raps and seeing a man die, seeing a man cry, and the way you rap and the creativity.

I don't know if you know this guy.

There's a

poet, William Cullen Bryant, and he wrote a lot about death.

Phantopsis is its famous.

It's as famous.

I'm going to go into this.

But

I regret writing about death.

You know, writing so much or the state of being, you know, then

I regret writing about that shit because now it's it's it's

it's so

close, man.

Have you always thought about dying?

I have, no, I've always thought about dying.

Like, I've always wanted to see how it felt to just die

and then like come back and tell a motherfucking like, bruh,

you don't want to go.

This ain't what you want.

No, you don't go in there.

Yeah.

But no, Nicole, man, I always felt like

did you share these thoughts?

I mean, I did.

You did.

On a lot of my songs.

No, I'm saying had nobody to talk to.

Oh, okay.

You know what I mean?

So I talked through my pen.

I didn't have nobody to talk to.

And

I feel like

if I told somebody how I felt or told somebody you know what I was thinking they'd probably think I was crazy yeah you we gonna say that yeah so

a bad face get a brand get a check yeah and and I now at this age I don't care what they think you know I've already been through it right I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm coming out of the storm so your friends didn't know

Or did they?

I didn't have any friends.

Damn.

I don't think I had.

I had people I hung out with sometimes, but I didn't really have no friends.

Right.

I didn't really, you know, that's crazy, though.

You know how you got a whole lot of friends you grew up with and they was your friends and y'all was

friends, but I didn't really got no whole lot of friends like that.

I think it was probably because I lived in a

in two different

Two different households, you know

When I was with my grandmother my uncles was my friends,

and their friends was my friends, you know.

So, you've always had an old soul because that's all you've ever been around.

You've never been around really nobody.

You're a friend.

You know, my oldest friend that I've known in my life, my oldest friend that I met probably when I was one or two or three years old, died the other day from a massive heart attack.

And I'm thinking to myself, like, wow,

here we go.

Calling everybody except Brad.

Yeah.

And.

What I mean?

You said you dropped out of school in the ninth grade.

Ninth and a half.

Ninth and a half.

So you was almost a sophomore.

Almost.

When you told your, did you tell your mom that you was dropping?

Did you tell your grandma?

What did they say?

Or you just didn't go to school, what they?

I didn't live with them, bro.

I was gone.

So they didn't know if you was going to school or not anyway.

Who cared?

I was already gone.

My mama got me an apartment, man.

She just said it.

Yeah, she said it.

She had a quick.

15, 16, and you did quite well.

Yeah.

If you had lived with your mom, you lived with your grandma, do you believe you'd have quit school?

Yeah.

Maybe.

No, you know what?

I would have quit school.

You know why?

Why?

Because no pass, no plague came into it.

Well, damn, face?

Yeah.

And I was smart as

you could imagine, but it was just boring to me.

You know, and when they implemented the no pass, no play, like I was a football player, man.

I wanted to play football.

And when they said no more football, I didn't even want to go to school no more.

So what am I going to school for?

Because I'm really just going to school.

Yeah, man.

I can ask with track, read, and write, but

I want to play.

You know, I want to play football.

Is it true you beat up the principal?

I did.

Why you beat the principal?

That man old.

He wasn't old.

He wasn't old back then.

He was old.

He had to be in his 30s.

That wasn't old.

You were 14, 15.

I wasn't that old.

Well, damn, how old were you when you beat him?

I was in like the sixth or seventh grade.

Damn.

I had a fight with somebody in the Commons locker area.

And

his brother came by

to the fight

so I gave him the business I gave his brother the business and then

one of the principals came by was trying to pull me but they wasn't pulling them so I gave them the business and then the other principal miss Kyle

She came by I gave her the business yeah you had to go to school I don't know you wasn't gonna be able to go back to that school.

You might have gone to school somewhere else in another district, but you weren't going back there no more, Face.

If I would have really wanted to go back to that school, I could have gone back to that school.

Now you done beat up the whole damn school.

It didn't matter.

If I was determined to go back, as a matter of fact, I think all I had to do was like, like, uh, two or three months in

school school.

No, in alternative school.

And I didn't do that.

I didn't do it.

Why were you acting out?

I don't think it was acting out.

I just didn't want to be f ⁇ ed with.

You know what I mean?

Like, I'm cool as hell, man, until you push that.

But you effing with people.

No, I'm not.

I'm not.

I'm cool as hell, man.

Just don't f with me.

Don't push him out because he'll come.

You know what I mean?

I've been keeping him nice and hid

for these years, these years.

And they brought something out of you, David.

Oh, my God.

You don't want to see him.

I don't want to see him no more.

I don't want to see him.

Remember when we were sitting there?

I say, man, I ain't got no whole lot of people I ride around.

I don't ride around with nobody.

God knows.

I can ride around with a pistol.

Because I know what I'm going to do.

I know what I'm going to do.

Don't make me make that.

Don't make me make that decision.

Can we leave the pistol hall when I come to Houston?

No.

Oh, Lord.

I'm just going to meet you there.

Yeah, I'm just going to meet you there.

You drive.

Yeah, I'm going to meet you at the spot.

Yeah, you can meet me.

And you're not coming to Houston.

I am coming to Houston.

You're not going to call when I come to get you.

I almost moved to Houston.

That'd have been a disaster.

Came close to came down to Vegas and Houston.

Ain't too late.

The team be wanting to move to Houston so bad.

They want to go?

Yes.

Shit.

Me and you could be neighbors, possibly.

No.

Hell no.

You're alone with the apartment.

I mean, because like when you're on your own, you can do a lot of stuff.

So you got an apartment and you start selling

no

you were selling before then way before then i worked at a movie theater selling what

drugs no man i ain't never sold no drugs man

so so so when you stick so when you stealing your stepfather's weed you were just smoking it you and the boys were smoking it or you just smoking it I was stealing weed and putting parsley seeds with the weed.

But what were you doing with it?

People would just steal just to steal.

That's the part I'm trying to get to.

Well, I would roll up $2 squares.

And if anybody wanted to buy a squares.

So you were selling drugs.

I wasn't selling drugs, that's weed.

Okay, you were selling weed.

But I was like seven, eight years old.

Oh, Lord.

I wasn't just Nino Brown.

No.

But Nino Brown didn't start a person.

But this was my personal.

Right.

You know, I'm just not going to give it away.

If you wanted, that's $2 square.

And if I had

a nick on me,

and and

my Nicks never was real Nicks, though.

So, no, they wasn't really, they were never real Nicks, man.

Because I'd roll me a couple of squares out the Nick, and I'd sell it, so it'd be a couple of squares short.

Yeah, a Nick, how many squares could you get out of Nick back in the game?

About three, three, three or four, about three or four.

So, yeah, I know they wasn't cutting but two hours.

But the thing is, you probably, that homegrown, so they were bumped to begin with.

That homegrown?

You ever had some homegrowns?

Golly.

That is the most terrible weed ever, man.

You know where that dad cut some grass and let it dry down.

Nah, man.

Nah, nah.

That homegrown, I don't even, it just gives you an eye high.

Yeah.

Like your eyes just be high.

You don't really be high, though.

But I never,

I had a job and

I worked at the movie theater.

But before the movie theater, I had another job.

I had a hustle.

Yeah.

So I was hustling.

All right.

Do you let you let your homies in the movie theater free?

Or you let them cut, hey, give me a dollar, I'll let you in.

No, I I just let them in.

Matter of fact, I didn't really have no homies, man, that would come by there like that.

Right.

You know what I mean?

And this was, and I was too young to be working anyway.

Right.

I was like, you weren't too learning back then because they put your ass to work.

Seven years, bro.

You had to be you were supposed to be.

Right.

Excuse me.

And these were white people.

Right.

I worked in Bel Air

at a movie theater.

Right.

You had to, you had to work like eight hours a day sometimes.

And me being

16 years old, you know, they wondering why I ain't in school.

So I told them that I was 18 years old.

Right.

So I can keep that job.

You can keep that job.

But I filled out an application at this hypermarket called Ocean.

Okay.

They had just built the biggest, it's big like Walmart, like Sam's or something.

Big, big, big.

And I worked as a stockboy at night

and overnight.

And I worked a few days, man.

And they wrote, I had a check, man.

That check was $400 and something dollars.

That was a lot of money back then.

That was a lot of money for a couple of days of work, right?

Yeah.

So

I went and got my check and I never went back to work.

Well, damn, did you want another check?

I invested in my

other business.

In my business.

Yeah.

Investment, huh?

I invested.

Yeah.

And then when I started making music, I had a lot to talk about.

I had a lot to talk about.

Right.

Because I knew several businesses.

You had a,

you had a,

as they say, you had life experience.

You lived life

more by the time you were 16, 17 than most people lived.

For sure.

No question about it.

Yeah,

for sure.

Remember we was eight years old

and

we used to wear these medallions

that we got from the game room down the street.

And they would ask us, no, the guy would swear us in, we take an oath.

You know, I solemnly swear to protect the weak and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

So guy walks into this place called You Told Him.

We was kids, man.

And

we were hiding in there.

And they robbed that place.

And they shot that clerk, man.

Now we'll forget that.

You were there?

Yeah.

Me and

another couple of buddies of mine, we were there.

I was,

this lady had got

shot in our apartment complex.

And it's the first time that I ever seen

blood like that.

And it was

thick.

Like,

I can't even describe how thick it was

but it was so thick man and that lady was dead her husband killed her and that lady was dead

and

that blood was thick bro it was so thick

yeah yeah as a kid man

Traumatized man by just different stuff I've seen over the years.

You know

the first starting of my career, you know, every concert we had, somebody would get killed.

You know,

two girls in, and I don't know if that was San Diego or somewhere we were at.

San Diego?

Yep.

So we were in San Diego.

And we finished a concert and got ready to leave.

The two girls laying out on the side of a Volkswagen bug, dead.

Like,

all the shows, man, somebody got shot.

Somebody got this, somebody got that.

Every neighborhood that we lived in, somebody was, man, I remember we used to have parties in the house parties, man.

And we would go in that house party, even go to the great skate.

We would go in there to fight, man.

And

I always had a pistol on me.

Always had a pistol.

Your uncle stole from you.

I think it was in your book where you said your uncle stole for and your grandfather shot at you.

Yeah.

Your uncle stole money.

What did he steal from you?

Some material that I have to use to go to work with.

It was like, oh, it was like wrenches, like a monkey wrench.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hey, I'm from my job.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm a construction worker, yeah.

Yeah,

how you gonna do your job if I don't have my

to do my job with?

So

we had a fight.

How do you know he stole it?

Because didn't nobody else know where it was.

So you fought your uncle?

Yeah.

You get it back?

No.

You beat your uncle up?

I did.

Did you apologize to him?

I do.

You didn't at the time, but you do now.

Yeah.

Why your grandfather shoot at you?

Because he

cut that.

You got to keep him in there, man.

You got to keep him in there because you let him out, bro.

Yeah.

That shit is bad, bad.

Right.

So

he shot at me, and I heard him.

He's so right, bro.

Yep.

The tools that you needed to go to work with, did you ever use any of those tools?

I did.

Did you get hooked?

I didn't get hooked.

I didn't get addicted.

But I used it before, yeah.

You have to make sure that

the frame that you build you make sure it's okay right yeah you want me you don't want the ceiling to fall in when you start walking on the roof do you

you tried to rob a so who tries to rob so what was your thought process in that what you robbing the bank i ain't never tried to rob no bank you weren't successful no i don't know no one to rob no bank that's where the money at me yeah rob a bank nah bro my name brand not rob

When did you say, you know what, enough of all this other stuff that I got going on.

I'm going to the rap game.

You didn't make it.

It didn't happen like that.

Nope.

So how did you start rapping?

How did I start rapping?

Yeah.

It was a cool ass pastime in junior high school and high school.

Okay.

Right?

Rapping.

You was only there for a year and a half in high school, so it wasn't that cool.

It was cool.

Okay.

Because everybody went from one school to the next, so we all knew each other.

So, it kind of feels like I did

graduate, you know.

Kind of feel like I was still in school with everybody.

Okay, to this day.

Yeah.

We're still together.

I feel like

when I first started

growing a passion in rapping, for rapping, you know, I was listening to everybody.

And then when I heard

KRS1,

I think that's when I really wanted to start to be a rapper.

When I heard Ice T, I really wanted to be a rapper.

When I heard Ice Cube, I really wanted to be a rapper.

Now, listening to LL Cool J and Big Daddy Kane let me know that I couldn't be a rapper.

You know, because they were just so

immaculately skilled.

Not that none of the other artists that I mentioned aren't, but it was just when I heard that, I was like, you know what?

I want to do this.

Yeah.

All right.

So I

ended up making a couple of records with a guy in Houston.

And

I made a song called Scarface.

Mm-hmm.

And it came out.

It was the first one that we that that that that's the first one that um

We probably heard yet but um

buddy of mine Chris Barrier rest in peace they call him 3-2

had we were we were together and we made a he made a record I don't remember the name of it, but it was more of a radio friendly record and the record label

Wanted to go with that because it was more user-friendly, right?

And on the other side of town,

there was another kid

that wanted to put me, that liked what I was saying, and wanted to put me, you know, in a group.

Now mind you, about three or four months before that, I had rode the bus over to

the car lot

to play some songs for him.

And one of the cats was was like, that's not what we're looking for.

And then, like, a few few weeks, few months later, you know,

Steve Farnier played a record for Lil Jay

at the Rhinestone Wrangler parking lot.

And shit, dude was at my house.

And I was like, man, how you find me?

Just like that.

Yeah.

You mentioned KRS1, known as a laricist.

Big Daddy Kane, lyricists.

Rock him, lyricist.

People put you in that.

And you are a storyteller.

And that company, people that, you know, what I noticed, and I'm a storyteller because I've hung around, I hung around a lot of old people, and old people told stories.

You know, go get your haircut in the barbershop, and they playing checkers, and they tell old men telling stories.

Yeah.

You're a storyteller.

Is that how you thought your rap career did it?

So what were you hoping to be as a rapper?

What was it going to be?

I didn't know.

I knew that at Ice T

told a

cold-ass story, you know, six in the morning, police at my door, fresh chicken, just talking about it.

So, you know, it's clicking now.

Ice cube, once upon a time in the projects, yo, so we can't just say that that

my storytelling is all that, but you know,

what about Will Smith's storytelling?

Mm-hmm.

You know,

like Will Smith has some cold-ass stories, man.

Have you ever in your life experienced a day when nothing at all seems to go your way?

Like Dan Dane.

Yeah.

Hell of a storyteller's, man.

I grew up in the era of hip-hop where

it was a force to be reckoned with, man.

They had some nice and you love to hear the story again and again, how it all got started way back when.

Like that, those are immaculate come lines, man.

Those are beautiful openings to a book.

Bruh,

you have to have that in order to be a cold-blooded lyricist, storyteller.

And they had that, and

it just came through me too.

Do we have that now?

In some cases, yeah.

You got some cool, some nice-ass storytellers in rap right now.

If I were to ask you, give me your top five lyricists of all time.

All times?

All time.

Top five.

I don't have a top five like that.

Some greats.

I'll give you some names of some greats.

Kane is a great.

Rakima is a great.

Chris is a great.

Kara is one.

Yeah.

That's a LL.

That's an LL.

Yeah, you didn't.

I did not.

No, you didn't.

L's are great.

Great lyricists.

Nas is a great.

Yeah.

Jay-Z is a great.

I mean, I don't have a top five.

Right.

You know,

like,

my top five are going to the top thousands.

You know,

I think that Pop, I think that Cube.

I think that

Shan and

who am I missing?

Like, I can't because I'll miss everybody.

Q-Tip is great.

Yeah.

You know, T.I.

is a great.

Wayne is a great.

You were named Lyricist of the Year in 2001.

You beat Hove, B.M., Prodigy.

Talib Koopli.

Who?

You beat a Hove, M, Prodigy.

You surprised?

Damn, I mean, damn.

No, I'm just missing it.

No, I mean, I'm honored to be among

the greats, you know?

How does that make you feel?

When people talk about lyricists, when they mention the KRS1s, when they mention the BDK, Big Daddy Kane when they mention when they mention rock him

that's that's that's in a selected few conversations man that my name pops up I'm not I'm not I'm not mad or

I don't feel nothing right you know I think that everybody's entitled to their opinion though you feel me like

it's it's people that people think just like the best rappers in the world and I don't even I don't even see him

you know I mean oh man he's back nah

Nah.

Chris Rock said you wanted the top three all time.

No.

Nah, top three all times is.

If somebody had to say, okay,

for your life, we're going to add 10 extra years to your life.

Give me your top four rappers all time.

Four?

Four.

Give me your top four.

We're going to add ten years to your life because we know you ain't trying to go see the...

I just say, f ⁇ it, take 10.

man.

For real.

You ain't trying to go like that?

I don't care, man.

I don't have a top four, man.

Like, I would say my top four influences then.

Can I say that?

Yeah, go ahead.

Okay, well, I'm going to say Chuck.

Chuck D.

I'm going to say Big Daddy Kane.

Yeah.

I'm going to say Ice Cube.

Shooty, man.

I gotta say cool J because

it was just music that dude put out that really inspired me to want to be

this, man.

I saw all those guys, the concerts.

I saw LL,

the Fat Boy.

I was there.

That's what I was talking about.

Run DMC, Houdini.

Yep.

The Fresh Fest.

I saw all them in concert one year.

I think it was like 1986.

Yeah, that's the year.

That's the year.

That's the year that's the concert we were coming from.

When dude robbed that store and killed the clerk.

Yeah.

Wow.

That's the concert we were coming from.

It was called the Fresh Fest.

Yeah, I remember that.

Yeah.

Man.

Yeah.

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Do you like, do you really, I mean, because for me, I don't think these artists, a lot of times artists today and people that follow rap and hip-hop today, I don't think they give that generation the credit that it deserve.

Because now I face it, it feels like if they didn't, if they didn't hear, if they didn't see it, it didn't happen on the internet yesterday, it ain't happened.

Does that frustrate you?

I think it's, you know,

as shameful as it is, man, I can understand that because look at what they're doing with black history.

Yeah.

Okay?

Yeah.

You see what I'm saying?

Like,

black history is becoming

extinct.

And, you know,

the more and more we try to talk about it and bring it to the forefront,

the more they try to hide it.

Okay.

So I understand.

And I would, yeah, if I was trying to brainwash people, man,

I would do it exactly like that.

I would first take their history away, and then I would poison their music.

That's exactly what I would do.

Because

it's really, like, I remember back in the gap, man, it was all fire, and one or two,

you know,

it failed that slipped through the crack.

Right.

But now it's

one or two fires and everything slipped through the crack.

It's my opinion though, shit.

And

I'm different.

I'm cut different.

I'm a little older and I know what it's supposed to sound like.

I know the elements of hip-hop.

I was blessed enough to come up in an era where...

Came up in the golden era.

The golden era, yeah.

And

I can actually go and thank my

ones that came before me.

I I can thank them

for the ground that they laid for me to stand on, man.

Like,

I see Kane, you know, and I see L

all the time, man.

And I thank them.

Even

Red Alert and Kid Capri, I thank them for letting me

be a part of this.

But I had the opportunity to sit down with DJ Cass.

Casting over Fly on the C-A-S-N, the O-D-A-N,

F-L-Y.

He stole the man's man's whole rap.

That was Big Bang Hank.

He wasn't casting over Fly.

But I heard the story

along with, so it's Kumo D, casting over Fly, and Frab Five Freddy, having a talk, man, about hip-hop, man.

And I have never felt so unworthy

to be in a room in my life, bro.

Like, I don't feel worthy to be in there with that.

Because when they talk about it from the beginning, like it gives what Shan said, you love to hear the story again and again of how it all got started way back when it gives it a whole new meaning when you sit and you listen to them talk about hip-hop from the conception.

Yeah,

the 50 years at the beginning.

Yeah, man, it was unbelievable, man.

And I was a fly on the wall in that room listening to those voices tell that story, man.

And I was like, wow.

I'm not worthy.

Storytelling.

How did that become a part of, because that's who you are.

You're a storyteller.

You know, I think it was in my English class.

My English was early.

Yeah, it was early.

Okay.

You trying to be funny?

All that time you be popping on the.

Yeah, I be popping on Shannon ass hard, man.

Now you see I ain't fired you up on camera.

But I'm not going to do it.

Okay, I appreciate that.

I'll teach you that.

You got it.

But I already know you got something to bow.

I got some shit now.

Hey, so my English teacher, when I was probably in the third grade,

used to always tell me about writing, man.

Writing.

Your story had to have a, it had to have a beginning.

It had to have a

body.

a climax and then an ending.

So I always tried to write my records like that.

Okay.

You know, to drag you into the story, man.

To give you the,

to grab you and put you in that motherfucker, like, oh, shit, I'm in.

You know, and then take you to the climax of it and then end it.

Yeah.

So that's...

So it's just some old English.

Was it English, man, or was it a reading class or a writing class?

I don't know.

Right.

But

whatever class it was, it gave me that.

Yeah.

Because

every story story has to have a start, it has to have a middle, it has to end.

Yeah.

And that's what he said.

A beginning, a body, a climax, and an ending.

Yeah.

So I took something from school.

Right.

You were featured on Biggie Posthamous.

Did you ever meet?

I met Biggie.

I did.

I met him in

Louisville, Kentucky.

Okay.

I met him there.

Yeah.

Cool dude, man.

I never spent a lot of time with Biggie.

Right.

But But

I did have

the honor of being on one of the records from the Biggie Duets.

Right.

So I'm on that.

Yeah.

Pac

spent a lot of time with Tupac.

Because we were discussing that

Smile might have been the last studio thing he received.

I can't say that.

Because he was always in the studio.

I probably left the studio and he did 35 more records that night.

Maybe.

No, he was was a workaholic, man.

But probably, though, you would have heard about it.

True.

What was he like?

Park was wild.

He had a zero to

100.

I have never seen him on zero, though.

Always seen him on a hundred.

I've always seen him on 100.

And

yeah, I ain't never seen him down.

It was always

on fire.

I remember one time,

true story, where's Warren?

So Pocket came to my room, and I hate when Warren bring people to my room.

So my brother brought Tupac to my room.

We staying

in the LaMantros in L.A.

And Warren, I hate this, man, but he knocked on my door.

I opened the door and it's Tupac and Warren.

Warren left.

Tupac come in the room, man, and this is the first time we started smoking the weed from California.

Uh-oh.

So I was really, really, really, really, really, really high.

Yeah.

And

I had a suite.

And it had two beds, right?

So I'm high.

I'm watching TV, man.

And Pac come in there with all that loud ass shit, man.

And I grabbed a remote control

and I just handed it to him.

He was in there, yeah, man.

We're gonna source something.

He sat there on the bed for a minute, man, flipping through the channels.

He walked to the

to the patio door, looked out, and he seen Sug in a red Mercedes-Benz.

and he left.

I don't think that

Pac was that cool with Suge back then.

Right.

Because he did leave.

And I don't know they could have been the best of friends, but I know that he was gone.

Right.

And we ended up getting out and going out somewhere, and

I didn't see Pac no more.

But me and Pac been on tours together.

You know, we've been in Atlanta together.

That's my partner, man.

Like, I would talk to Tupac on the phone before he was

Me Against the World.

Not Me Against the World, but

what's the other album?

All I want on me.

I talked to Tupac before he was all eyes on me.

All right?

Me and Pac been down since Tupacalyps Now Pac.

You know what I mean?

That's the Pac I know.

I know the

This is for my Pac.

Wow.

Yeah.

I know that Pac.

How is his

writing style different than yours?

I don't know.

You never seen him write anything?

No, but I can tell you that I was his favorite rapper.

And he was mine.

So

I'll leave that where it's at.

So maybe we did have similar writing styles, but we never wrote together.

As a matter of fact, he would always be mad at me because it took me so long to write

records.

You know, he pissed at me, man.

Every time he comes in the studio, yeah, man, let's get up.

We're going to go here.

No, I'm not going there.

Right.

I'm not going anywhere with Pac to begin with because he doesn't have a driver's license.

Well, back then, he may have got one, you know, later.

He didn't have no driver's license.

But he driving with no license.

Yeah,

for sure.

Yeah,

and he couldn't drive, man.

And people was trying to get me to roll that Hummer one time.

And somebody had a picture of that Hummer on the internet, man.

And I was like, damn, man, that shot me back.

But

he couldn't drive, man.

And he was wild.

And he'd be drinking and he'd be smoking weed and shit.

Nah, man, I'm not going to ride with him.

He ain't got no lies.

He's drinking, smoking weed.

He's not a very good driver.

Nah, that's a recipe for disaster, man.

And to prevent shit is always better than trying to cure it.

So, no pop.

No, sir.

You told a story about Jay-Z and how

you were in the studio and he's like,

yeah, I like this one.

He gets up, goes into the booth, ain't write nothing down.

No.

Oh, no.

And, all right.

Nap you up and peaced out.

I'll be like,

damn, I'm sitting in front of the board, stuck, listening to this.

He already raped.

But he'll sit in that little corner, maybe.

I know you probably seen on the Timberland when they dust your shoulders out and hear here to beat and

he rocking his sitting.

All of a sudden he gonna take the vocal.

Yeah.

Explain, tell

the story of how you said Jay-Z helped you when you were at your worst.

We've heard stories about him, what he did for Lil Wayne.

We heard what he did.

You know, Wayne had some tax trouble, Jay-ZA, clear.

He let DMX leave.

It was in debt.

Let him leave.

I think 21 Savage helped him get an immigration lawyer.

So we've heard these great stories, no matter what people try to say bad about him, negative about him, but we hear more positive, great stories.

Tell your story.

So you remember when I caught the COVID and kidney failure and all that?

Yeah.

Yeah, Jay-Z chunked me a lifeline.

And you know, when I had the kidney and the COVID and the kidney, yeah, DJ Khaled chunked me a lifeline.

Yeah.

So can't nobody tell me shit about Jay-Z and DJ Khaled.

Wow.

Because they chunked me a lifeline.

And

I got it.

I'm thankful.

You know what I mean?

Because

I wasn't working.

Right.

But yeah.

So shout out to Hove and DJ Khaled.

You know,

I always talk to, when I talk to Jay-Z,

I call him the keeper.

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For the culture, man, cause

he does that big brother shit.

Yeah.

You know?

You think Ho will do another album?

For what?

Because people say, like, for him, for what?

He's got to, it, like, it's got to move him.

It's like, it's got to be something that, like, that calls out to him.

And right now ain't nothing calling.

Let me tell you something, man.

So,

let me say this so I won't be misunderstood.

He don't have no reason to rap no more.

You know, we rap because we was hungry, man.

You know what I mean?

Right.

Like,

we spoke our heart and told our side of the story because we was starving, man.

You know.

We ain't starving no more.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I do absolutely.

That man not starving no more, man.

Not in the least.

That man got kids.

You see how he prepping them girls, man?

You see that?

It's crazy, ain't it, man?

It's unbelievable, man.

And I've been knowing

that baby since she was a baby, baby.

And to see her up there with her mama, I'm like, cool.

I call him, man.

I say, boy.

Wayne, did we tell you?

That ain't Wayne.

I mean, that's Warren.

Warren.

Warren.

He can't help it.

He can't help it.

He can't.

He cannot help that shit.

Man, ever since we was kids, bro, he was always on the phone.

He always on the phone.

Always.

He on the phone sleeping.

He on the phone, FaceTime, driving, and not saying nothing.

We got to do better.

Like, he just on the...

Look, his air, his earphones is...

Got earphones in.

He is on the phone.

And he ain't talking about shit because his mouth ain't even moving.

Nah.

He just listening to me.

He just staff.

He might be listening to a beat.

He's not listening to no beat.

That nigga can't rap.

God damn.

Help me understand this.

I know you heard it because he came on Nightcap.

Jim Jones and his influence in Nas

You cool with Jim?

I love Jim Jones.

But he out his mind, ain't he?

I don't know why you.

I'm not gonna say shit about nothing

you okay with beefs you ever have a rap beef with anybody no I ain't got no I don't want no beef

I don't

when you when you when you and you never I don't want no if our beef good beef is beef no nigga what you want to do like like all that talking what you want to do like all that talk what you want to do they want to talk we are beef ain't no talking what you want to do well keep my name out your mouth punk period don't say about me.

Like, that's how I felt about it.

That's how you feel about it.

Yeah.

So you ain't going to have no beef nothing.

Nigga, I'm done now.

The f ⁇ I'm going to be beefing for now.

Yeah, you know.

What the f you want beef?

Oh, you want beef now that I ain't rapping no more?

You f

⁇ .

Now you want a beef.

No,

I don't want no smoke from nobody in all honesty, man.

Because

I can't control what nobody else do.

Right.

You know what I'm saying?

I can't control what nobody else do.

I ain't got nothing to do with it.

Right.

But I don't have no control over what somebody else does.

Right.

And back when we took that shit so serious and so they did.

Man, they take it personal, man.

And I don't never want to be involved in that kind of stuff, man.

Right.

You have a great relationship with Cube because you've been on a lot of the soundtracks.

A mentor.

He's a mentor.

You know, he's a mentor.

We made a song.

Yeah, I need that.

But yeah, he's a mentor.

You work with Master P?

You work with some heavyweight space.

I did.

So I was listening to a song.

I'm going to go back to the Cube shit.

So I'm listening to the, I'm listening to a record of me and Cube did.

We sitting in the studio listening together, right?

And

I'm listening, and he listening.

And I'm like, and he like

he's like, is that you or me?

I said, I don't know.

Damn.

Because that's how similar our styles and delivery is.

You know,

that's how much influence that

an impact that he has and had on my career.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Because it's certain shit that we don't know the difference between you.

Like, I have songs with Cube that we don't know the difference.

Wow.

Who's who?

You know, you can tell in the rap part, but you can't tell in certain areas where you saying shit.

Like, who is that?

That's you know, that's me.

No, that's me.

Where are you on ghost writing?

Because some people, like, it's okay.

Then some people, like, I mean, because nobody, nobody.

Now, I think now, who cares?

Really?

Yeah.

Okay.

But back then,

MC Light said it the best.

She said, whoever wrote your rhymes might as well hold your microphone.

Damn.

But now I don't give a f.

I'm not in no more.

I don't care.

Right.

Do you?

How do you get out?

Like, everything has changed, man.

They had the no-snitch policy in effect.

Everything has changed, man.

Everybody telling everybody business.

Truth.

Yeah, so no, things have changed, bro.

So the right to ride policy?

Yeah.

Whatever.

Drake moved to Houston.

You ain't tell him not to come.

Drake don't live in Houston.

He got a place in Houston.

He live in the country.

So?

I want to live in the country, too.

Okay, go move to the country.

You have more fun out there, but you have a lot of well.

Nah, hell no.

I know what you're trying to do.

Look,

just show me around.

You show me where I need to live.

Face.

I'll show you where you need to live.

Okay.

But after that, that's it.

Nah.

I'm not going no finger with you.

Face, we still, hey, we're going to kick it.

I ain't got nobody.

I know you

lying.

We gonna kick it.

I know.

Drake said UK rappers are better than American rappers.

I don't know a whole lot of UK rappers.

You know what?

I don't know.

I don't know any UK rappers, but I don't have nothing against them, UK.

But

just like me saying Kobe was better than Jordan.

Yeah.

You know, you had a blueprint to study.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Jordan created the blueprint for you to study.

So for Kobe to be better than him, that's a possibility.

You know, if you study the blueprint enough,

you become the blueprint.

Right.

So, if UK rappers are better than the rappers from the United States,

they had enough to study.

True.

Okay?

And they had enough time to study it.

All right?

So, no comment.

I mean, that's my comment.

If you were to get, let's say, you know what, somebody get face to come out.

Who do you like to get on the beat with?

Nobody.

Can't nobody get you to come out of retirement?

I'm done.

I got on Cube's

ego.

Yeah.

But that's it.

That's the best you're going to do.

Yeah.

Ice Cube.

I come off Ice Cube.

Okay.

I did come off of Cube.

Right.

Houston.

You got Beyonce, you got Meg, you got Travis Scott, you got Lizzo, you got bro, you got Bun B.

Y'all,

what's a Houston?

What are we missing about Houston?

Hell, the cat out of the bag, man.

Everybody moving there.

Got room for one more?

Hell no, man.

Because you bring company.

So, yeah.

We got some dope-ass artists, man.

You missing a lot out of Houston, man.

You know,

you're missing a lot.

You got

Slim's a native.

Kiki's a native.

Yep.

Paul.

Paul.

Well, yeah, Paul Walker.

Yeah.

Lil' Kiki.

Yeah, Kiki.

Yeah.

Sauce.

Sauce Walker, yeah.

Clay, Kylie On.

Like, you got some heat coming out of Houston, man.

They can really go.

Kay Reno

is one of the guys that came up a little before I did.

And

I think he's the epitome of what Houston rap should have been.

Right.

You know, or could have been.

Because he's a lyrical giant in it.

You know.

Matter of fact, he's on my album.

I can't remember the song.

But he's on the Emeritus album with the song of Me, Slim, and Kay Reno.

But he's a pillar

in Houston

hip-hop, man.

And it's a few more.

But we got some smoke out there, man.

Yeah, you do.

You do.

You know?

do you think people start beef now just to get attention?

Because I see a lot of people going at somebody.

I'm like, I didn't even know they were beefing.

When did this happen?

You're asking about rapping, man.

I don't know too much about it no more.

You know, I always start doing it.

Motherfucking winter clothing.

I'm going to get one.

I got the edit button.

Oh, you got a dang show, do.

When you're beefing with somebody, man, somebody actually did something to you back then.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

And when you saw each other, you fought.

All right.

Perfect example is like Ice Cube and WA when Cube left the group and they both were at the new music seminar in New York.

They fought.

All right?

Yeah.

So

when you got a beef, man, they fight.

You fight.

You did somebody on record.

When you see them, you got to be prepared to do whatever you got to do.

Yeah.

Kanye now, nowadays.

They just talking.

They're just talking.

Yeah.

It's just

rapping.

Yeah.

Kanye, you work with Kanye.

I did.

What's Kanye like in the studio?

When I was working with Kanye, man, Kanye, he bad, bruh.

Oh, he got.

Kanye cold.

Kanye cold, cold, cold.

I think sometimes we forget about that face because we see some of the antics that he's got going on now.

Yeah.

But

you go back and look at Khali Drop.

Yeah, you know what?

Bruh.

Bruh.

When Kanye would come to the studio, see, Kanye was a producer, man, before he started rapping.

Correct.

Okay.

And he always, that's him on the Dean, on the Guess Who's Bazaar?

That's Kanye.

Wow.

But

Kanye, when he,

back when he was making beats, man,

Like

he played beats for days and days and days and he just sit there and play me.

And he'd be like, man.

Wow, I got so many beats from Kanye

from the Fix album and

working on other stuff.

But I got a lot of music with Kanye

that I never put out.

But Kanye was the producer, man.

And we had that.

We had a tight-ass producer-rapper relationship, man.

And that was my friend, too, man.

That was my partner.

Right.

You know.

And

that fork,

that fork in the road, you know, we all started together.

I always feel like me and Jay and Yay and DMX and

Irvin, we were all in the office together.

We was all in the office together.

And

we was leaving, we was riding, we was riding, and then they went here.

And I was like, you know what?

I'm going to go home.

I went home, man.

And I don't feel bad about going home, bro.

I don't feel bad about going home.

Because I don't ever want to be in the position where I can't enjoy

me.

I just want to enjoy me, bro.

You know, enjoy my life.

Enjoy

the fruits of my labor, you know.

Which ain't ain't a whole lot of shit but it's mine and I ain't got to have no 75

traveling with me when I go somewhere you know what I mean I don't have to hide and shit man I don't want to hide I don't want to run from nobody you know I just want to wave at a m ⁇

and go on on about my business so I don't want to be too famous never right sampling Where are you on sampling?

You let somebody sample some of your stuff?

And if they do, do you have to hear it?

I don't care.

I don't care about nothing that got anything to do with this no more.

Damn,

very, very bitter about it.

Why are you so bitter about it?

I just

you feel you were wronged, taking advantage of it.

The music industry within itself is wrong.

Okay, all right.

If you look at, I would like to compare contracts.

I would like to to compare a Beastie Boys contract to a ghetto boys contract.

Or, you know what I mean?

I'd like to see

other

genre artists.

Artists, yeah, I would like to see a maze contract as opposed to a Van Halen contract.

You feel me?

Like, I know it's a big, big

difference between the pay scales in those contracts.

But yeah, it's not,

nah, bro.

So I don't care what they do with it.

What do you know now you wish you had known then?

I don't want to change nothing about it.

You know, I'm right where I want to be.

Really?

Yeah, I'm not,

I don't need no whole lot.

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't need a lot.

I mean,

you pay when I come to Houston.

Huh?

You paying when I come to Houston.

I'm what?

You're paying.

You're going to reach reach in your back pocket, pull out your, I don't know if you, maybe you carry a money clip or something, whatever, and you're gonna put that down.

Oh, what?

You know, I like, you know, I like.

Oh, you?

Yeah.

No, bro.

Hold up.

How am I gonna come to Houston and you think I'm gonna pay?

Bro, I'm in Vegas and I ain't even had lunch yet.

And it's

six o'clock.

I haven't even had breakfast.

I'm trying to figure out how that gets to be my fault.

I'm doing club Shea Shea.

We, you know,

tight budget right now.

No bush shit.

Tight budget right now.

No bushit.

This concludes the first half of my conversation.

Part two is also posted, and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to part one on.

Just simply go back to Club Shea Shea profile, and I'll see you there.

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