Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 1

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Speaker 28 I think Pac may have been the first artist to beat up an engineer. I could be wrong.

Speaker 28 But I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it, man. That's what Pac told the engineer, man, you ain't got too many more, my bad.

Speaker 28 All my life, been grinding all my life.

Speaker 28 Sacrifice, hustle paid the price, won a slice, got to roll the dice, that's why. All my life, I've been grinding all my life,

Speaker 28 all my life, been grinding all my life,

Speaker 28 sacrifice, hustle paid the price, one a slice, got the roll of dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding all my life.

Speaker 28 Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp.
I'm also the proprietor of Club Shay Shay. Stopping by for conversation on the drink today is a living legend.

Speaker 28 He's an icon, a pioneer from the South. He's been in the music industry of over 35 years, One of the most influential rappers in history.
One of the top lyricists of all time.

Speaker 28 A member of one of the most successful rap groups ever.

Speaker 28 The Ghetto Boys, a beloved Houstonian, platinum-selling hip-hop artist, a celebrated record producer, gifted storyteller, respected label executive.

Speaker 28 He was president of Def Jam South, breaking an artist like ludicrous. He's on everybody's top five rapper list.
Your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. Some refer to him as the king of the south.

Speaker 28 Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Good friend of mine, terrible golfer, Scarface.
Face, what did it do?

Speaker 28 I had to get that one.

Speaker 28 You know, I'm gonna get that in. You know, I'm gonna get that in.
You know, I feel bad, man, because I'm getting ready to go on stage and I got on my concert kit.

Speaker 28 Like, this is what I call a concert kit. Like, normally, everybody be having their suits on when they come on your show, man.
They be looking all fly. Right.

Speaker 28 But this is how I be looking when I go on stage. So if you see me on stage, then you probably see me in this.
You be like, damn. You going on stage with them new ballots?

Speaker 28 I'm good, man. Don't do it.

Speaker 28 I'm good at this.

Speaker 28 We ain't had no toys growing up either, Shannon. All we did was talk about each other.
Hey, but yeah,

Speaker 28 this side goes down. Every time we get on the phone, y'all,

Speaker 28 we got a Jones. We got you, man.
How you been, bro? But I've been great, man. Thank you for taking time.
I know you're busy. You got a concert in a few hours and taking time out of your day.

Speaker 28 Went through sound check. Can't wait till people see a couple of songs that you performed for us and tell us what was going through your mind at the time of performer.
But this is my cognac.

Speaker 28 This is Shea by Laportier. It's a premium BSOP.
You You understand anything? You know about cognac? Yeah, man.

Speaker 28 You know what BSOP stands for, right? No. Very special old pale.
That means...

Speaker 28 You know what I heard? And you tell me if there's any truth to this. So the Hennessy guy and Heinz, were they locked up in prison together? I don't know about that.
So I want people to look into this.

Speaker 28 So Hennessy, the maker of Hennessy on somebody

Speaker 28 Heinz, they were locked up in prison. Heinz, ketchup? No, Heinz, H-I-N-E-S, that's like a cognac.
Okay, hello.

Speaker 28 It's like the upper echelons of cognac, man. So I I heard this story, man.
I want to get some validity to it and just see. But yeah, cognac makers, man.
Is this that kind of cognac?

Speaker 28 This is a premium VSOP. We've won 13 awards since its inception in 2021.
We won the Simp Award. The Simp Award is a blind taste test.
It's the only one that the fans get to decide.

Speaker 28 Everything else is judges that have been sipping cognac and a spirits business.

Speaker 28 But what they do in the Simp Award is that they put all the cognacs on the table and then people come by and taste them and they say, well, I like Cup A.

Speaker 28 Okay, so I always thought that V S O P meant for very serious old people. No, very special old pale.
And then you got XO, which is extra old. And then you got XXO, which is extra, extra old.

Speaker 28 Slow me down. Yes.

Speaker 28 Boy, you learn something new every day. And this is a great.
People don't realize this, but this comes from a great. I was an uni blanc great and a petite champagne.

Speaker 28 Nuzzle it. This man went straight to it.

Speaker 28 I know what the f ⁇ to do. It's a cognac.

Speaker 28 Why are you talking to me like this, man? But But I know what to do. God damn.

Speaker 28 That ain't necessary. How's Sterling doing, man?

Speaker 28 Man, he could. He could.

Speaker 28 Yeah, this ain't no grape here, Junior.

Speaker 28 Oni Blanc grape and a petite champagne. And in order for it to be a cognac, hey man.
It has to start, originate in cognac for two years. The first two years has to start there.

Speaker 28 Hey, man, it's mean right here. For sure.

Speaker 28 We got you covered.

Speaker 28 We got you covered. Oh, no.

Speaker 28 Oh, it ain't got no bite. None.
Oh, you got to be.

Speaker 28 You got to be careful. Yeah, let me move this back over there.

Speaker 28 Boy,

Speaker 28 you be on stage slurry. For real.
I'm not going to drink no more. Ain't nobody got no water.

Speaker 28 We get something. Man, why are you trying to get me drunk for my show? No, no, no, no, no.
But I just wanted you to taste it. But it's amazing.
It is. It's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 28 but we got you covered we're gonna we got you covered yeah man send me send me a

Speaker 28 tell me where I can buy some man

Speaker 28 yeah I'm gonna send you some but I'm gonna tell you what you're wrong

Speaker 28 it's like that for real though for real

Speaker 28 man face it is an honor to have you on the show

Speaker 28 it's always great to have people that you you mire from a distance you know getting to know you over the last couple of years you and my brother play a lot of golf together I sent word I told him what you told me to tell him

Speaker 28 I was on the phone with you and I told you No. You told me to tell him you could get it.
No, no, I didn't. No, why are you saying that, man? Don't do that, dog.
Don't say that, man. Well, I told him.

Speaker 28 You shouldn't have. And he sent word back to me.
He sent something. He said, hey, it's in a picture back.
He did. He said,

Speaker 28 show face this. Yeah, no.
Hey, Sterling, I'm going to leave you alone, man. You out there messing with that man.
Y'all better leave that man alone.

Speaker 28 They play golf together. Every celebrity golf tournament they can get 10.

Speaker 28 Yeah. Face is going to be out there.
My brothers be out there with him. And the man is a scratch golfer, man.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 28 He plays all the time. I don't play from the back, though.
Yeah, he played from the team. I play all the time, too.

Speaker 28 But I ain't better go back there. Man, I ain't got nothing to prove, man.

Speaker 28 Like,

Speaker 28 that's for people that's trying to show up that they still strong, man. Yeah,

Speaker 28 that's the only way to do it. He wants to be strong, man.

Speaker 28 Let's get into it, Face. Talk to me.
From Houston, Texas. What was it like growing up in Houston, Texas for a young Scarface?

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 growing up in Houston as a young Brad.

Speaker 28 Yeah, that's a real, that's a government name, Brad. You know what I'm saying? Brad, as a young Brad Jordan,

Speaker 28 my mother had me so young.

Speaker 28 I'm an old man, baby, for real. I spent a lot of time in my grandmother's house.
Okay.

Speaker 28 My grandmother had nine children and

Speaker 28 I always tell tell people that I feel like I'm my grandmother's tenth child

Speaker 28 because she also

Speaker 28 spent so much time with her.

Speaker 28 My mom would,

Speaker 28 I always want to go to my grandma's house. You know, I go over, my mom and my aunt lived together for a long time.
Right.

Speaker 28 And I didn't want to be over there because it was boring. Right.
But going over there at my grandma's house, man, my uncle was

Speaker 28 smoked and jammed. And, you know, they had the bands going and my grandfather was crazy as hell.
My grandmother was sweet as pie.

Speaker 28 The neighborhood raised me, man. You know what I mean? I'm like one of those kids that the neighborhood raised for real.
But that wasn't what it was like. It was a sense of community.

Speaker 28 And somebody down the street could correct you. If you were wrong, they would say, Brad, I'm going to tell your mom.
I'm going to tell you, I don't give a f ⁇ . For real.

Speaker 28 Like, people can vouch for me. Like, I was a nut growing up.
I I would cuss. Yeah.
My uncle would call me when I was.

Speaker 28 So I was in the kindergarten. My uncle Rodney was in the sixth grade.
So that's the only time we ever went to school together.

Speaker 28 And he would call me from out of the house to come and curse his friends that for him.

Speaker 28 And you liked doing that. No,

Speaker 28 it was second nature to me.

Speaker 28 You don't been around grown folks so, but you heard them cuss.

Speaker 28 I don't know, man. I think this is genetics.

Speaker 28 You know how people play football? Yeah. You good at it? You're good at musicians? Yeah,

Speaker 28 my grandfather as a professional cursor oh my goodness oh yeah what's your fondest memories of growing up as a child I think that um sitting in the room

Speaker 28 I don't want to relive this shit man

Speaker 28 There were some tough times? No, some great

Speaker 28 Sitting

Speaker 28 jamming with my uncles in the room, smoking cigarettes and shit.

Speaker 28 How were you smoking cigarettes?

Speaker 28 Four or five.

Speaker 28 In their room when they put the cigarette in the ashtray? You grabbed it. I grabbed it.

Speaker 28 Those are those memories, man,

Speaker 28 that It make you think about the entire situation. You know, you're in the room with your uncle, Eric and Eddie.
Right. My grandmother beating on the door, telling us to turn it down.

Speaker 28 My grandfather in the room cussing up the stove.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 we just making music, bro. I remember that shit, but it's so emotional going back to

Speaker 28 growing up. I don't know if it touched other people like that, but it with me because

Speaker 28 I feel like I didn't get a chance to be a kid.

Speaker 28 I feel like I was always grown.

Speaker 28 Like, you know, I didn't realize that I was homeless until, like, now.

Speaker 28 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 28 When I left my grandmother's house,

Speaker 28 how old were you?

Speaker 28 Left my mom, my grandmother. I was probably

Speaker 28 12, 13.

Speaker 28 Went to go live with Warren

Speaker 28 and his mom and Neil Neil and my sister Tanya, we all,

Speaker 28 but she was always gone, so it was kind of like we raised ourselves.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? I got like 15, 16 years old.

Speaker 28 My mother rented an apartment in her name for me to go live in.

Speaker 28 Like.

Speaker 28 You live in an apartment by yourself.

Speaker 28 Let's just call my mom, dog.

Speaker 28 Let's just do that.

Speaker 28 Because I don't want nobody to think I'm full of shit.

Speaker 28 Pause. Hey.

Speaker 28 I've been knowing y'all these years. I've been through that.

Speaker 28 Hey, hey, Warren Lee, I need a plug for my phone. All right.

Speaker 28 Hey, mama.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 I'm here on Club Shay Shay with Shannon Shark.

Speaker 28 Uh-huh. How old was I when you rented that apartment apartment for me?

Speaker 32 Well, I think you was either 15 or 16.

Speaker 28 That's my mama.

Speaker 32 Yep, and you stayed by yourself and did very well.

Speaker 28 And have I been back home yet?

Speaker 32 No, but I wish you would come and just check on your

Speaker 28 yeah, that would, I would,

Speaker 28 I'm 54 years old, bro, and I ain't going back home.

Speaker 28 Mama, I love you to death. I just wanted to clear that up, man.
And I know for a fact that I was smoking cigarettes. Did you know? Mom, did you know he was? Listen, listen to my mama.
This is my mama.

Speaker 28 You were doing everything you wanted to do.

Speaker 32 All I can tell you is that you had luck on your hands.

Speaker 28 You was charmed. You were a charmed young man.

Speaker 28 Because people loved you and they didn't even know why they loved you. That was that.

Speaker 28 Charmed.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 He kind of had that impact on people. I don't know why me and him friends either.

Speaker 28 Oh, I can tell you

Speaker 28 everybody loves him. Everybody.

Speaker 28 I even had people to walk up to me and say, you have such a fine,

Speaker 32 respectful young man.

Speaker 28 I'm thinking, really?

Speaker 28 Really?

Speaker 32 Too funny. Even when he'd go buy houses and things, people would just say, oh, that's your son.
He's just so mannerable. He's just got the best manners.
Oh, Lord, what have you told these people?

Speaker 28 You know, I tell them anything, mama. I love you to death.
I'll call you later, okay? Okay, baby. Thanks, Monster.
All right, baby.

Speaker 28 Told you? I can't make this shit up. Did you play sports? I did.
I was a running back. Okay.

Speaker 28 You were Saquon, you Derrick Henry, you Josh Jacobs. You, I mean,

Speaker 28 I was sweetness. You Walt Payton.

Speaker 28 I was sweetness and Earl Campbell mixed in one.

Speaker 28 Because if you stand there, oh, you're going to run. You're going to run up.
Put that motherfucking helmet in your windpipe and keep going. Keep going.

Speaker 28 I played with Alan.

Speaker 28 Alan Aldrin was a former teammate of mine. We won a championship together.
I was in there and I got there at 90. He came in 94.
Rest in peace. He passed away a year or two ago.

Speaker 28 I went to school with Alan. Yeah.
Love that kid. You wrote in your autobiography.
My daddy was dead. My mama didn't want me.
I didn't really get along with my stepdad.

Speaker 28 And my grandmother already had nine kids of her own. That's the truth.
So there really wasn't a place for me at her house either.

Speaker 28 We got very similar stories because my grandmother had nine kids of her own. She raised her nine and took my mom's three.
Damn. Cole.

Speaker 28 Your grandmother had nine kids, and then you have brothers and sisters. Yeah.

Speaker 28 But my grandmother didn't have to raise my brother. Well,

Speaker 28 she raised my sister. Right.

Speaker 28 But she took on everybody else's children in the neighborhood. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Like everybody else, that was their mama too. Right.
You know?

Speaker 28 So,

Speaker 28 yeah, my grandmother was a cold piece of work, man.

Speaker 28 She never learned to drive. No, my grandmother didn't learn to drive either.
That's crazy. Quick to go get on the passenger side.
To go get in the passenger side

Speaker 28 and tell you how to drive. Yeah, you got a five.

Speaker 28 Slow down.

Speaker 28 You ain't got no lights.

Speaker 28 What the hell?

Speaker 28 And then my mother would always tell her mother, how many steering wheels on this car?

Speaker 28 Yeah, my mama was cold-blooded.

Speaker 28 So I'm looking at, so we're 21 years apart in all of those stages.

Speaker 28 So I'm 21 years younger than my mother. My mother's 21 years younger than my grandmother.
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 28 So I can see my life 21 years from now. Wow.

Speaker 28 And 21 years from that. Right.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 28 And that shit always makes me think about the end.

Speaker 28 Shannon, that shit makes me think about the end. I can't focus.

Speaker 28 On living.

Speaker 28 Are you afraid of dying? I'm not. But I'm just saying, I ain't got no time.
I'm run out of time.

Speaker 28 I'm running out of time.

Speaker 28 Like, that clock, man, is ticking, man. And I don't want to waste my

Speaker 28 time.

Speaker 28 But they can't waste my time. That's my biggest fear.
Because I can't get it back. No.

Speaker 28 Time is the most valuable currency. Because once it's gone, it's gone.
It can never be. It's not going to get your wife back.
Get your money back. Get your house back.
Get all that shit back.

Speaker 28 Get your friends back. Can't get time back.
I see him get his money back. Yes.
But I ain't never seen nobody get his time back, man.

Speaker 28 And all I can think of, shit, I'm 54.

Speaker 28 Shit, I'm 54.

Speaker 28 I got a

Speaker 28 bad ticker,

Speaker 28 son kidney.

Speaker 28 And I'm like, wow.

Speaker 28 Well, you still, Face, you still think about the 54, the 54 great years. Yes, you had open heart.
I saw the scar. Yes, you have your son's kidney.
I saw the scar.

Speaker 28 But 54 years, think about how... Pause.

Speaker 28 Go ahead. There you go.

Speaker 28 No, because I don't want to. A nigga be like, yeah, they was in there in the room with puffing them.

Speaker 28 But think about the 54 great years. Yeah, but I ain't trying to cut the off nuts, Shannon.
Come on. You afraid? I'm not scared.
I know that that's the inevitable, man, but

Speaker 28 I don't want to run out of time right now. No, you not.
Why are you thinking about that?

Speaker 28 See, you thinking about dying, you ain't thinking about living. And that's my problem.

Speaker 28 I can't get past it.

Speaker 28 I play with that shit so much growing up until I'm like, shit, I cheated it when I was

Speaker 28 a year, when I was five, when I was seven, when I was nine, when I was... What year was that?

Speaker 28 We went in that store man them and people came in there and robbed that goddang store

Speaker 28 probably 15 16 17 was just leaving the fresh face concert man and I seen I seen it who it was it some Hispanic cats

Speaker 28 yeah they came in there man I seen I say bro I say dude got a dude got a big ass gun on him let's go let's go ain't that what I said let's go get out of there man next morning that shit on the news they shot it up killed that man man.

Speaker 28 Duck in depth. Wow.

Speaker 28 Duck in depth. So, man, you know, from being shot,

Speaker 28 you know,

Speaker 28 being in places I shouldn't have been,

Speaker 28 being in places I was in, and shit just happened.

Speaker 28 And I'm looking at how

Speaker 28 death is just saying, okay, you, come here.

Speaker 28 You, come on. I'm sitting there like, damn, damn.
Okay, now you. It's touching people around you, but it.
I mean, super close.

Speaker 28 When I was in surgery,

Speaker 28 my brother,

Speaker 28 my manager was in there while he was eating and

Speaker 28 he was like, he realized it was taking longer than it was supposed to take. And then when the doctor finally came out, when the surgeon finally came out,

Speaker 28 which is a friend of mine

Speaker 28 he came out and he told him man I know that y'all probably hear this all the time but

Speaker 28 I don't know how he's still here

Speaker 28 damn

Speaker 28 you know

Speaker 28 I

Speaker 28 I don't know bro

Speaker 28 it's a blessing

Speaker 28 but I don't want God to be mad at me and just keep me here and everybody be dead like all y'all be dead and I'll be in this m by myself

Speaker 28 or I just go fast like

Speaker 28 I

Speaker 28 have you been able to appreciate the language no I have not I have not

Speaker 28 I have not been able to

Speaker 28 and that sounds ungrateful as fuck

Speaker 28 I just grew up too fast, bruh. And I feel like everything that I was working for, I was working to get to.
You know what I mean? I feel like I accomplished everything that I set out to accomplish

Speaker 28 at a young age. My grandmother would always say

Speaker 28 when she would talk to her friends at the church or on the phone or whatever, that you can never underestimate

Speaker 28 what a child is saying.

Speaker 28 Because I remember telling my grandmother and my grandfather that I was going to be a big rock and roll star.

Speaker 28 And I was going to buy my grandfather a big ass boat so we can go fishing. And I was going to get my grandma a new house.
I said this out of my mouth. All right? This is what I said out of my mouth.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 my grandmother, after all of this stuff started happening, she was saying you can never underestimate

Speaker 28 what comes out of a child's mouth, man, because that's what happened. And

Speaker 28 it happened so fast. By the time

Speaker 28 from, well, but I started when I was 14. Right.

Speaker 28 Okay, I started, you know, trying to rap at 14.

Speaker 28 You know, trying to DJ. I started off as a DJ

Speaker 28 at 14 years old. That's what I wanted to do.
Were you good at it? You were focused on it. I was all right.
I was good enough to make it. What you mean? Yeah, I did.
You made money.

Speaker 28 You made your middle school party.

Speaker 28 I did.

Speaker 28 I mean, I mean, they ain't want to play no money. They probably play you for.
They didn't have to pay me no money. I already had a little money.

Speaker 28 What? You doing something shady? What's shady?

Speaker 28 You know what shady is? No clue. You shady.
Right.

Speaker 28 I think

Speaker 28 you have to, you got to do

Speaker 28 what the times call for. Right.
You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Like, you got to do what the times call for.
And if a call came for throwing newspapers, shit, I threw the newspaper.

Speaker 28 Hey, does anybody have some toilet paper, napkins, anything? Boom, I know. We got the right hair.
Okay, cool. One second.
The coolest thing about it, Shan is when

Speaker 28 I'll pause this right quick because this shit is gonna sound terrible.

Speaker 28 Mute this shit.

Speaker 28 Nuffle up because ass nigga.

Speaker 28 Oh, big nose.

Speaker 28 Good thing you ain't have no habit.

Speaker 28 I can't say that. Ah, damn, face.

Speaker 28 And you still got money?

Speaker 28 I ain't got no money.

Speaker 28 I don't want no money.

Speaker 28 Look how this nigga look at me. I don't got no money.
I don't want no money. I don't want no money.
Okay. Hell no.
You know how when you got money? Every motherfucking body else wants your money.

Speaker 28 I want no money. Your dad passed away.
How old were you when your dad passed?

Speaker 28 My biological? Yes.

Speaker 28 Maybe seven or eight.

Speaker 28 Do you remember him? I don't know him. I didn't never know him.

Speaker 28 But I know how he died. Because I have the newspaper articles on how my biological father died.

Speaker 28 He died

Speaker 28 in a woman's house because her husband, her boyfriend, shot him through the door.

Speaker 28 He was organ by the woman. There you go.

Speaker 28 Arguing by the woman. And when he came to the door, the man shot him through the door and killed him.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 yeah, that's why when chicks be like I'm mad, I'd be like, shit, that's it.

Speaker 28 I'm good.

Speaker 28 Go ahead.

Speaker 28 But yeah, my dad now, my dad,

Speaker 28 he just passed.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 He taught me.

Speaker 28 He taught me the game, man.

Speaker 28 He taught me the real live game. The real live hustle game.
My dad was the weed man. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 he would have stalks of weed drying in the closet.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I would go in there and I would take

Speaker 28 the little, remember the brown, you don't know nothing about this, but they had the brown

Speaker 28 bags.

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Speaker 28 yeah they yeah little nickel bag yeah it wasn't a nickel it was a nick okay my bad

Speaker 28 they came with that later it wasn't no nick when you were growing up when i was growing up it was a nickel bag now it was a nick it's still a nickel bag no

Speaker 28 i'm not gonna rhyme with this a nick okay go ahead so i put it you make you a Nick. Yeah.

Speaker 28 And then you can make you a big dime. Okay, okay.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 we had this parsley seed.

Speaker 28 You had parsley in the, and I got my cousin right there. We had parsley in the in the in the in the kitchen.

Speaker 28 Right? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 28 So I didn't want my daddy to know I was stealing his weed, so I'd pop off some of that bug that was dried off real good and I'd get enough and I just step on it a little bit with some parsley seeds.

Speaker 28 Now, how in the hell did I know to to do that? I don't know. But I did it.

Speaker 28 You've been shady for a minute. I've been shady for a minute, man.

Speaker 28 But I can honestly say my stepdad, man, taught me responsibility, man.

Speaker 28 He taught me how to be a man, bro. And you know what?

Speaker 28 He stood in the gap, bruh.

Speaker 28 My other cousin Virtus always say, man,

Speaker 28 you got to love him, man. He stood in the gap, man, because he didn't have to do that.
Right. You know what I mean? He didn't have to do do that, man.
It's not easy being a step-parent.

Speaker 28 That man didn't call me step. He called you son.
That's it, period. Did you always have a great relationship with him? Nope.

Speaker 28 I didn't have a great relationship with my stepdad until I understood, you know, until I grew up.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm like, damn,

Speaker 28 bro. I ain't trying to move me out the way.
He's trying to give me some game.

Speaker 28 And I think from the time when I was

Speaker 28 when I started going back to visit, you know, I started getting little jewels and stuff from, and I never will forget, I was coming back from out of town,

Speaker 28 and I had some stuff with me that came from my job.

Speaker 28 And I gave it to my daddy to hold it, to hold it for me.

Speaker 28 And then I gave him the money.

Speaker 28 And I came back. And got all my supplies that I went to work with and my money too.

Speaker 28 And it was years and years and years and years and years and years down the line. And I brought it up to him.
And he said, yeah.

Speaker 28 And my mama said, what?

Speaker 28 He still had it. No, he never told my mama about it.

Speaker 28 Wow.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? And that just let me know that even more so

Speaker 28 how solid and how he stood on business, man. Sometimes we don't appreciate stuff.
No, I appreciate him now because he taught me how to be responsible, man.

Speaker 28 And I would always say that when I would f up, I'd say, man, I don't even want to talk to my daddy about it.

Speaker 28 Because he'd always drill in my head about being responsible, man. Be responsible.
This is you.

Speaker 28 You know, and I got a lot, a lot, a lot of respect for that, man. Rest in peace to Willie Terry because he was a hell of a dude, bro.

Speaker 28 I read that you used to write down all the sayings. I live with my grandmother, and I can

Speaker 28 recite all the sayings her and my grandfather yeah would say why did why'd you do that

Speaker 28 I don't know man

Speaker 28 you didn't you didn't you know what you you you don't realize how smart a person was until you don't have them around or or you you you you take that that phrase you don't get old being no fool

Speaker 28 for granted growing up.

Speaker 28 But when you think about it, hell, my grandmother was 93, 94 years old when she got out of here.

Speaker 28 So I know she wasn't no damn fool. And she had plenty of sense, man.
And it's not like the education, because a lot of these people, they quit school in second, third grade. Yeah,

Speaker 28 I'm one of them people that quit.

Speaker 28 Don't laugh at me. Hold on, I'm trying to hold on.
Type out, time about, time out. Let me get it.
We got to go back.

Speaker 28 You just said that skyline, right?

Speaker 28 Willow Ridge. Willow Ridge.
They're having a class reunion, 35-year.

Speaker 28 How you get to go?

Speaker 28 I was there. What you don't? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 28 You quit before they got there. No, I was there.

Speaker 28 No,

Speaker 28 just because you started that class, you got to finish. Oh, no, I was way gone.
He told me when you don't get to go to the reunion. Well, that would tell them that, man, because they calling me.

Speaker 28 I've been to every last reunion. I've been to all.
How you get to go to the reunion?

Speaker 28 Am I missing something?

Speaker 28 I had an impact on my class, man.

Speaker 28 Face, what grade did you go to?

Speaker 28 Ninth and a half.

Speaker 28 You don't go that far. Why you couldn't finish the other two and a half? For what?

Speaker 28 And I don't want to say that. I don't want nobody to hear me say that, but for what?

Speaker 28 Because. I can count.

Speaker 28 I can read.

Speaker 28 I can multiply. Yeah.

Speaker 28 You cheating like a month. Nah, no, no, no.
See, actually, you're supposed to put a drop in there, and it opens up the body.

Speaker 28 Let me see.

Speaker 28 No, you got to put a drop in there.

Speaker 28 Open up the box.

Speaker 28 I'm not, I got a concert tonight, bro. I don't.

Speaker 28 Yeah, they let me. Well.

Speaker 28 So you make, so you went to the five-year, the 10-year, the 15, the 20, 25, 30? Yeah, I go to two class reunions.

Speaker 28 How? Because I was in both classes.

Speaker 28 I kind of did what the f ⁇ I wanted to do and all that. That's apparent.
For real. Considering you going to class reunion, you ain't graduated.

Speaker 28 I had a math teacher, y'all, that would sit my desk out in the hall every time I came to her class. She knew that I was coming, and she'd have a desk in the hall for me.

Speaker 28 Because you want some bull job? No, I wasn't on a bull job. I forgot you don't curse, so I ain't gonna curse no more.

Speaker 28 He don't like that shit. So,

Speaker 28 um,

Speaker 28 I mean, because when I finish with my work, I'm gone, right? I couldn't sit still, man.

Speaker 28 You know, yeah, my mom would always say,

Speaker 28 What's going on in here?

Speaker 28 What is going on in here?

Speaker 28 No, mama. She'd say, well, I don't want you driving no more because you're not focused.

Speaker 28 She would always say that she don't want me

Speaker 28 driving. She wants somebody else to drive for me because I have too much going on in my head.

Speaker 28 And Margo riding the heel always be laughing at me, you know, because I'd be on the phone talking, I'd be looking at the back seat and driving.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 So, as a child,

Speaker 28 did you feel different? Did you think you were different because you had all these thoughts in your head? Did you talk to any of your friends, like, man, I'll be thinking this.

Speaker 28 You know, I went to, you know, they put me in

Speaker 28 an institution for this. You know that, right? That's in my book, right? Yeah.
Yeah, they put me in the,

Speaker 28 I spent a, I spent some time

Speaker 28 in one of those things, man,

Speaker 28 because of.

Speaker 28 They put you in the 51-50 hole.

Speaker 28 That's a psych hold. Yeah, I was on a hold.

Speaker 28 And I was in there.

Speaker 28 And I spent a lot of, I stayed out long ass times. Do you remember how old you were? I mean, because you, I mean.
I was pre-ad, so it had to be 11, 12 years old.

Speaker 28 So I wasn't quite an adolescent yet.

Speaker 28 Were you doing things? I mean, what were you doing that they thought that

Speaker 28 this would benefit you? What was I doing? Yeah.

Speaker 28 They said that I was manic depressive

Speaker 28 and

Speaker 28 with suicidal

Speaker 28 tendencies. They thought that I was going to kill myself.

Speaker 28 And I never said I was going to kill myself. I did cut my wrist a couple of times.
I did

Speaker 28 overdose a couple of times. But

Speaker 28 I realize now, you know, that being older, that if you really wanted to just die, you would just die. Were you looking for attention?

Speaker 28 So maybe I was seeking some attention from some attention that wasn't there, that has never been there. You know what I mean? And I'm going to say it, I say it a thousand times, but

Speaker 28 I wasn't controlled. I didn't have parents that'll, you know, stop me from there.
You didn't have guardrails. I didn't have no guardrails.
I didn't have no boundaries.

Speaker 28 You know, my uncles were already grown.

Speaker 28 And you doing what they do. I'm doing what they do.
And I'm smoking cigarettes. I'm smoking weed.

Speaker 28 I got Indian charges. You know what?

Speaker 28 I smoked crack for the first time in 1983 when the shit was cool.

Speaker 28 That's at the height of the epidemic. In the 80s, in the beginning.
No, no, that was the cool part in the 80s. Because you had functioning

Speaker 28 fiends. You can't say addicts, man.
That's not proper.

Speaker 28 They weren't fiends.

Speaker 28 They just were users. Right.
But you do realize, like, the 80s, that ushered in the crazy. No, no, it ushered it in, but back in the early 80s, it was cool.
Trust me.

Speaker 28 And now in the 80s, now when I got a hold to the shit, it started,

Speaker 28 it got, it wasn't cool no more. Right.

Speaker 28 That's when the shit started not getting cool. But so that was before they started stealing TVs and VCs.
Yeah, that's when they started pawning shit.

Speaker 28 That's when my game switched. Right.

Speaker 28 So I never got hooked on dope.

Speaker 28 But, you know, my uncle would come in from the construction

Speaker 28 on another thing too like like it was all black construction concrete workers and and and and and flagmen on the side of the road right when we were growing up

Speaker 28 And then it changed and I will get back to that. But my uncle would come in man, he have an eight ball man.
I learned how to cook

Speaker 28 He put that shit in the beaker and he'd hit it with the torch

Speaker 28 and put water in there and burn it until it turned into a long little thing.

Speaker 28 And it'll fall out. And I hit it one time.

Speaker 28 There it is.

Speaker 28 But I wasn't but 11, 12 years old.

Speaker 28 When you say you never got a chance to be a kid, you never got a chance to be a kid. I never got a chance to be a kid.

Speaker 28 You also, how were you when you said

Speaker 28 living is hard, dying is the easy part?

Speaker 28 I was this year,

Speaker 28 I was this many years old.

Speaker 28 It was now.

Speaker 28 It was an adult.

Speaker 28 Like,

Speaker 28 dying is the easy part.

Speaker 28 And that's why I said again, man,

Speaker 28 I was probably trying to get some attention from some of

Speaker 28 seeking attention from

Speaker 28 people that pay no attention to nothing.

Speaker 28 Your actual, your biological father? Your biological. I don't know.
You don't even know my biological father

Speaker 28 At all. But I do know

Speaker 28 the side of my biological's family.

Speaker 28 And I met my cousin in Chicago when we were adults. Wow.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 28 And he said my daddy name.

Speaker 28 And I said, yeah, this knows something. Because don't nobody know his name.
You know what I mean? And

Speaker 28 then we've been super duper tight. And I got a couple of other cousins that I met over the over over that span, too.
But I didn't know my dad, my biological at all.

Speaker 28 How do you learn to deal with those demons? Because you said there are things going in your head, you know, cut yourself and you tried some other things. Have you learned?

Speaker 28 Because I think, and we're going to get to this, I think that's a lot of where your creativity. Man, are you a psychiatrist or something, bro? Did you go to school for this shit?

Speaker 28 I took a couple of classes. Yeah, okay, go ahead.
You trying to dig this shit out?

Speaker 28 Well, how did you feel when you were seven and you're but I'm just saying because

Speaker 28 listening at your raps and seeing a man die, see a man cry, and the way you rap and the creativity. I don't know if you know this guy.
There's a

Speaker 28 poet, William Cullen Bryant, and he wrote a lot about death. Phantopsis is as famous.
It's as famous. I'm going to go into this.
But you know, I regret

Speaker 28 writing about death.

Speaker 28 You know, writing so much or or or the state of being you know dead

Speaker 28 I regret writing about that shit because now

Speaker 28 it's is it's

Speaker 28 It's so

Speaker 28 close man

Speaker 28 Have you always thought about dying or

Speaker 28 I have no I've always thought about dying

Speaker 28 Like I've always wanted to see how it felt to just die

Speaker 28 and then like come back and tell the mother like bruh

Speaker 28 you don't want to go. This ain't what you want.
No, you don't go in there.

Speaker 28 But no, in the cool, man, I always felt like

Speaker 28 did you share these thoughts?

Speaker 28 I mean, I did. You did.
And on a lot of my songs. No, I'm saying had nobody to talk to.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? So I talked through my pen. I didn't have nobody to talk to.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I feel like

Speaker 28 if I told somebody how I felt or told somebody

Speaker 28 what I was thinking, they'd probably think I was crazy. Yeah, we're going to say that.
Yeah. So.

Speaker 28 A bad face, a brad get a check. Yeah.

Speaker 28 And now, at this age, I don't care what they think. You know, I've already been through it.
Right.

Speaker 28 I'm coming out of the storm. So your friends didn't know?

Speaker 28 Or did they? I didn't have any friends.

Speaker 28 Damn.

Speaker 28 I don't think I had. had, I had people I hung out with sometimes, but I didn't really have no friends.

Speaker 28 I didn't really, you know, that's crazy though. You know how you got a whole lot of friends you grew up with and they was your friends, and y'all was

Speaker 28 friends, but I ain't really got no whole lot of friends like that.

Speaker 28 I think it was probably because I lived in a, uh, in two different

Speaker 28 two different households, you know.

Speaker 28 When I was with my grandmother, my uncles was my friends,

Speaker 28 and they friends was my friends, you know.

Speaker 28 So, you've always had an old soul because that's all you've ever been around. You've never been around really nobody.

Speaker 28 You know, my oldest friend that I've known in my life, my oldest friend that I met probably when I was one or two or three years old, died the other day from a massive heart attack.

Speaker 28 And I'm thinking to myself, like, wow,

Speaker 28 here we go.

Speaker 28 Calling everybody except Brad.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 what I mean?

Speaker 28 You said you dropped out of school in the ninth grade. Ninth and a half.
Ninth and a half. So you was almost a sophomore.
Almost.

Speaker 28 When you told your. Did you tell your mom that you was dropping? Did you tell your grandma? What did they say? Or you just didn't go to school, what they? I didn't live with them, bro.
I was gone.

Speaker 28 So they didn't know if you was going to school or not anyway. Who cared?

Speaker 28 I was already gone.

Speaker 28 My mama got me an apartment, man. She just said it.
Yeah, she said it. She had a moment.
15, 16, and you did quite well. Yeah.

Speaker 28 If you had lived with your mom, you lived with your grandma, do you believe you'd have quit school?

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Maybe.

Speaker 28 No, you know what? I would have quit school. You know why? Why? Because no pass, no play came into it.

Speaker 28 Well, damn, face. Yeah.
And I was smart as

Speaker 28 you could imagine, but it was just boring to me.

Speaker 28 You know, and when they implemented the no pass, no play, like I was a football player, man.

Speaker 28 I wanted to play football, and when they said no more football, I didn't even want to go to school no more. So what am I going to school for? Because I'm really just going to school.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 28 I can answer track, read, and write, but

Speaker 28 I want to play.

Speaker 28 You know, I want to play football.

Speaker 28 Is it true you beat up the principal? I did. Why you beat the principal? That man old.

Speaker 28 He wasn't old. He wasn't old back then.
He was old. He had to be in his 30s.
That wasn't old.

Speaker 28 You were 14, 15. I wasn't that old.

Speaker 28 Well, damn, how old were you when you beat him?

Speaker 28 I was in like the sixth or seventh grade. Damn.

Speaker 28 I had a fight with somebody in the commons locker area.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 his brother came by

Speaker 28 to the fight.

Speaker 28 So I gave him the business. I gave his brother the business.
And then

Speaker 28 one of the principals came by, was trying to pull me, but they wasn't pulling them. So I gave them the business.
And then the other principal, Miss Kyle,

Speaker 28 she came by. I gave her the business.
Yeah, you had to go to school. You wasn't going to be able to go back to that school.

Speaker 28 You might have went to school school somewhere else in another district, but you weren't going back there no more, Face.

Speaker 28 If I would have really wanted to go back to that school, I could have gone back to that school. Now that you done beat up the whole damn school, it didn't matter.

Speaker 28 If I was determined to go back, as a matter of fact, I think all I had to do was like, like, uh, two or three months in

Speaker 28 school,

Speaker 28 no, in alternative school, and I didn't do that,

Speaker 28 I didn't do it. Why were you acting out?

Speaker 28 I don't think it it was acting out. I just didn't want to be fed with.
You know what I mean? Like, I'm cool as hell, man, until you push that. But you effing with people.
No, I'm not.

Speaker 28 I'm not. I'm cool as hell, man.
Just don't with me.

Speaker 28 Don't push him out because he'll come. You know what I mean? I've been keeping him nice and hid

Speaker 28 for these years, these years. And they brought something out of you, though.
Oh, my God. You don't want to see him.
I don't want to see him no more. I don't want to see him.

Speaker 28 Remember when we were sitting there? I say, man, I ain't got no whole lot of people I ride around. I don't ride around with nobody.
I know. I can ride around with a pistol.

Speaker 28 Because I know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 28 I know what I'm going to do. Don't make me make that.
Don't make me make that decision.

Speaker 28 Can we leave the pistol hall when I come to Houston? No.

Speaker 28 Oh, Lord.

Speaker 28 I'm just going to meet you there. I'm just going to meet you there.

Speaker 28 Yeah, I'm going to meet you at the spot. Yeah, you can meet me.
And you're not coming to Houston. I am coming to Houston.
You're not going to call when I come to get you.

Speaker 28 I almost moved to Houston. That'd have been a disaster.

Speaker 28 Came close. It came down to Vegas and Houston.

Speaker 28 The team be wanting to move to Houston so bad. They want to go? Yes.
Shit.

Speaker 28 Me and you could be neighbors, possibly. No.

Speaker 28 Hell no.

Speaker 28 You're alone with the apartment. I mean, when you're on your own, you can do a lot of stuff.
So you got an apartment and you start selling.

Speaker 28 No.

Speaker 28 You were selling before then? No. Way before then.
I worked at a movie theater. Selling what?

Speaker 28 Drugs. No, man, I ain't never sold no drugs, man.

Speaker 28 So when you were stealing your stepfather's weed, you were just smoking to you and the boys were smoking it. Are you just smoking it?

Speaker 28 I was stealing weed and putting parsley seeds with the weed. But what were you doing with it? You wouldn't just steal.
People would just steal just to steal.

Speaker 28 That's the part I'm trying to get to. Well, I would roll up $2 squares.

Speaker 28 And if anybody wanted to buy a squares. So you were selling drugs? I wasn't selling drugs, that's weed.
Okay, you're not selling weed. But I was like seven, eight years old.
Oh, Lord.

Speaker 28 I wasn't just Nino Brown. No.

Speaker 28 But Nino Brown didn't start. But this was my personal.
Right. You know, I'm just not going to give it away.
If you wanted, you, that's $2 square.

Speaker 28 And if I had

Speaker 28 a nick on me,

Speaker 28 and

Speaker 28 my Nicks never was real Nicks, though. So, no, they wasn't really, they were never real Nicks, man.

Speaker 28 Because I'd roll me a couple of squares out the Nick, and I sell it, so it'd be a couple of squares short. Yeah, a Nick, how many squares could you get out of Nick back in the game? About three?

Speaker 28 Three. Three or four? By three or four? So y'all know they wasn't cutting between.
But the thing is, you probably, that homegrown, so they were bumped to begin with. That homegrown?

Speaker 28 You ever had some homegrowns?

Speaker 28 Yolly.

Speaker 28 That is the most terrible week ever, man.

Speaker 28 You know what I did cut some grass and let it dry? Nah, man, nah, nah. That homegrown, I don't even, it just give you an eye high.
Yeah. Like your eyes just be high.
You don't really be high, though.

Speaker 28 But I never,

Speaker 28 I had a job and

Speaker 28 I worked at the movie theater.

Speaker 28 But before the movie theater, I had another job. I had a hustle.
Yeah. So I was hustling.
All right. Did you let you let your homies in the movie theater free?

Speaker 28 Or you let them cut, hey, give me a dollar, I'll let you in. No, I just let them in.
Matter of fact, I ain't really had no homies, man, that would come by there like that. Right,

Speaker 28 you know what I mean? And this was, and I was too young to be working anyway, right? I was like, you weren't too learning back then because they put your ass to work.

Speaker 28 No, bro, you had to be

Speaker 28 you were supposed to be, right?

Speaker 28 Excuse me, and these were white people, right? I worked in Bel Air

Speaker 28 at a movie theater, right?

Speaker 28 You had to work like eight hours a day sometimes, And me being

Speaker 28 16 years old, you know, they wondering why I ain't in school. So I told them that I was 18 years old.

Speaker 28 Right. So I can keep that job.
Keep that job. But I filled out an application at this hypermarket called Ocean.
Okay. They had just built the biggest, it's big like Walmart, like Sam's or something.

Speaker 28 Big, big, big. And I worked as a stockboy at night and overnight.
And I worked a few days, man.

Speaker 28 And they wrote, I had a check, man. That check was $400 and something dollars.
That was a lot of money back then. That was a lot of money for a couple of days of work, right? Yeah.
So

Speaker 28 I went and got my check and I never went back to work. Well, damn, did you want another check?

Speaker 28 I invested in my

Speaker 28 other business. In my business.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Investment, huh? I invested, yeah.

Speaker 28 And then when I started making music, I had a lot to talk about.

Speaker 28 I had a lot to talk about right because I knew several businesses you had a

Speaker 28 you had a

Speaker 28 as they say you had life experience you lived life

Speaker 28 more by the time you were 16 17

Speaker 28 for sure no question about it

Speaker 28 yeah

Speaker 28 for sure

Speaker 28 remember we was eight years old

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 we used to wear these medallions

Speaker 28 that we got from the game room down the street. And they would ask us, no, the guy would swear us in, we'd take an oath.

Speaker 28 You know, I solemnly swear to protect the weak and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

Speaker 28 So guy walks into this place called You Told Him. We was kids, man.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 we were hiding in there. And they robbed that place.
And they shot that clerk, man. Never will forget that.

Speaker 28 You were there? Yeah.

Speaker 28 Me and

Speaker 28 another couple of buddies of mine, we were there.

Speaker 28 I was,

Speaker 28 this lady had got

Speaker 28 shot in our apartment complex.

Speaker 28 And it's the first time that I ever seen, like, blood like that. And it was.

Speaker 28 Thick like

Speaker 28 I can't even describe how it was

Speaker 28 but it was so thick man and that lady was dead her husband killed her and that lady was dead

Speaker 28 and

Speaker 28 that blood was thick bro it was so thick

Speaker 28 yeah I yeah as a kid man

Speaker 28 traumatized man by just different stuff I seen over the years you know

Speaker 28 the first starting of my my career, you know, every concert we had, somebody would get killed.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 two girls in,

Speaker 28 I don't know if that was San Diego or somewhere we was at.

Speaker 28 San Diego? Yep. So we was in San Diego,

Speaker 28 and we finished a concert and got ready to leave. Two girls laying out on the side of a Volkswagen bug, dead.

Speaker 28 Like

Speaker 28 all the shows, man, somebody got shot.

Speaker 28 Somebody got this, somebody got that.

Speaker 28 Every neighborhood that we lived in, somebody was, man, I remember we used to have parties and the house parties, man, and we would go in that house party, even go to the great stakescape.

Speaker 28 We would go in there to fight, man.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I always had a pistol on me.

Speaker 28 I always had a pistol.

Speaker 28 Your uncle stole from you and your grandfather.

Speaker 28 I think it was in your book where you said your uncle stole for and your grandfather shot at you. Yeah.

Speaker 28 Your uncle stole money. What did he steal from you?

Speaker 28 Some material that I have to use to go to work with.

Speaker 28 It was like, oh, it was like wrenches, like a monkey wrench.

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Speaker 28 Yeah, how you gonna, how you go, how you gonna do your job if I don't have my

Speaker 28 job with?

Speaker 28 So, we I we had a fight. How do you know he stole it? Because didn't nobody else know where it was.

Speaker 28 So, you fought your uncle,

Speaker 28 yeah,

Speaker 28 You get it back? No.

Speaker 28 You beat your uncle up? I did.

Speaker 28 Did you apologize to him?

Speaker 28 I do.

Speaker 28 You didn't at the time, but you do now? Yeah.

Speaker 28 Why your grandfather shoot at you?

Speaker 28 Because

Speaker 28 you got to keep him in there, man.

Speaker 28 You got to keep him in there because you let him out, bruh. Yeah.

Speaker 28 That shit is bad, bad. Right.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 he shot at me and I heard a

Speaker 28 he's all right, bro.

Speaker 28 Yep.

Speaker 28 The tools that you needed to go to work with, did you ever use any of those tools? I did.

Speaker 28 Did you get hooked?

Speaker 28 I didn't get hooked. I didn't get

Speaker 28 addicted.

Speaker 28 But I used it before, yeah.

Speaker 28 You have to make sure that the frame that you build, you have to make sure it's okay. You're right.
Yeah, you don't want the ceiling to fall in when you start walking on the roof, do you?

Speaker 28 You tried to rob a bank. So who tries to rob? So what was your thought process in that? What? You robbing a bank.
I ain't never tried to rob no bank. You were successful?

Speaker 28 No, I don't know no one to rob no bank. That's where the money at.

Speaker 28 Me? Yeah. Rob a bank? Mm-hmm.
Nah, bro. My name's Brad and I rob.

Speaker 28 When did you say, you know what, enough of all this other stuff that I got going on? I'm going to the rap game.

Speaker 28 You didn't make it. It didn't happen like that.
No.

Speaker 28 So how did you start rapping?

Speaker 28 How did I start rapping? Yeah.

Speaker 28 It was a cool ass pastime in junior high school and high school. Okay.
Right?

Speaker 28 Rapping. You were only there for a year and a half in high school, so it wasn't that cool.
It was cool. Okay.
Because everybody went from one school to the next, so we all knew each other.

Speaker 28 So it kind of feels like I did graduate, you know.

Speaker 28 Kind of feel like I was still in school with everybody. Okay, to this day.
Yeah. We're still together.

Speaker 28 I feel like

Speaker 28 when I first started

Speaker 28 growing a passion in rapping, for rapping, you know, I was listening to everybody.

Speaker 28 And then when

Speaker 28 I heard

Speaker 28 KRS1,

Speaker 28 I think that's when I really wanted to start to be a rapper. When I heard Ice T, I really wanted to be a rapper.
When I heard Ice Cube, I really wanted to be a rapper.

Speaker 28 Now listening to LL Cool J and Big Daddy Kane let me know that I couldn't be a rapper, you know, because they were just so immaculately skilled.

Speaker 28 Not that none of the other artists that I mentioned aren't, but it was just when I heard that, I was like, you know what? I want to do this. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 28 But so I

Speaker 28 ended up making a couple of records with a guy in Houston.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I made a song called Scarface

Speaker 28 and it came out

Speaker 28 it was the first one that we that that that that's the first one that um

Speaker 28 we probably heard yet but um

Speaker 28 a buddy of mine Chris Barrier rest in peace they call him three two

Speaker 28 had we were we were together and we made a uh he made a record I don't remember the name of it, but it was more of a radio friendly record

Speaker 28 and the record label

Speaker 28 wanted to go with that because it was more user-friendly, right?

Speaker 28 And on the other side of town, there was another kid

Speaker 28 that wanted to put me, that liked what I was saying and wanted to put me, you know, in a group.

Speaker 28 Now, mind you, about three or four months before that, I had rode the bus over to

Speaker 28 the car lot to play some songs for him, and one of the cast was like, That's not what we're looking for.

Speaker 28 And then, like a few weeks, few months later, you know,

Speaker 28 Steve Farnier played a record for Lil J

Speaker 28 at the Rhinestone Wrangle parking lot,

Speaker 28 and shit, dude, was at my house.

Speaker 28 And I was like, man, how you find me?

Speaker 28 Just like that. Yeah.

Speaker 28 You mentioned KRS-1, known as a Larissus. Big Daddy Kane, Larisis.
Rock him, larisis.

Speaker 28 People put you in that.

Speaker 28 And you are a storyteller.

Speaker 28 And that comp,

Speaker 28 people that, you know what you, what I noticed, and I'm a storyteller because I've hung around, I hung around a lot of old people, and old people told stories.

Speaker 28 You know, go get your haircut in the barbershop, and they playing checkers, and they telling old men telling stories. Yeah.
You're a storyteller. Is that how you thought your rap career did it?

Speaker 28 So, what were you hoping to be as a rapper?

Speaker 28 What was going to be. I didn't know.

Speaker 28 I knew that at Ice T

Speaker 28 told

Speaker 28 a coal-ass story. You know, 6 in the morning, police at my door.
Fresh chicken that's we can talk about.

Speaker 28 So you, you know, it's clicking now. Ice Cube, once upon a time in the projects.
Yo, so we can't just say that

Speaker 28 my storytelling is all that.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 what about Will Smith's storytelling?

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 like Will Smith has some cold-ass stories, man.

Speaker 28 Have you ever in your life experienced a day where nothing at all seems to go your way? Like Dane and Dane. Yeah.
Hell of a storyteller, man. I grew up in the era of hip-hop where

Speaker 28 it was a force to be reckoned with, man. They had some nice, you love to hear the story again and again, how it all got started way back when.
Like, those are immaculate come lines, man.

Speaker 28 Those are beautiful openings to a book. Bruh,

Speaker 28 you have to have that in order to be a cold-blooded lyricist storyteller, and they had that, and it just

Speaker 28 came through me too. Do we have that now?

Speaker 28 In some cases, yeah.

Speaker 28 You got some cool, some nice ass storytellers in rap right now.

Speaker 28 If I were to ask you, give me your top five lyricists of all time. All times? All time.

Speaker 28 Top five.

Speaker 28 I don't have a top five like that.

Speaker 28 Some greats. I'll give you some names of some greats.
Kane is a great. Rakima is a great.

Speaker 28 Chris is a great. Kara is one.
Yeah.

Speaker 28 That's a LL? Yeah, you didn't? I did not. No, you didn't.
L's are great.

Speaker 28 Great lyricists.

Speaker 28 Nas is a great. Yeah.

Speaker 28 Jay-Z is a great.

Speaker 28 I mean, I don't have a top five. Right.
You know.

Speaker 28 Like,

Speaker 28 my top five are going to the top thousands.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 I think that Pot, I think that Cube. I think that

Speaker 28 Shan and

Speaker 28 who am I missing?

Speaker 28 Like, I can't because I'll miss everybody. Q-Tip is great.
Yeah. You know, T.I.
is a great.

Speaker 28 Wayne is a great.

Speaker 28 You were named Lyricist of the Year in 2001.

Speaker 28 You beat Hove, beat, M, Prodigy, Talib Koopi. Who? You beat a Hove, M, Prodigy.

Speaker 28 You surprised? Damn, I mean, damn. No, I'm just missing.

Speaker 28 No, I mean, I'm honored to be among

Speaker 28 the greats, you know? How does that make you feel? When people talk about lyricists, when they mention the KRS1s, when they mention the BDK, Big Daddy Kane,

Speaker 28 when they mention Rock Hemp,

Speaker 28 that's in a selected few conversations, man, that my name pops up.

Speaker 28 I'm not mad or

Speaker 28 I don't feel nothing. Right.
You know, I think that everybody's entitled to their opinion, though. You feel me? Like,

Speaker 28 it's people that people think just like the best rappers in the world, and I don't even see them.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? Oh, man, he's back. Nah.

Speaker 28 Nah, nah. Nah.

Speaker 28 Chris Rock said you wanted the top three all time.

Speaker 28 No.

Speaker 28 Nah, top three all times is.

Speaker 28 If somebody had to say, okay.

Speaker 28 For your life, we're going to add 10 extra years to your life. Give me your top four rappers all time.

Speaker 28 Four? Four. Give me your top four.
We're going to add 10 years to your life because we know you ain't trying to go see the.

Speaker 28 I just say it. Take take 10.

Speaker 28 For real, man.

Speaker 28 You ain't trying to go like that?

Speaker 28 I don't care, man.

Speaker 28 I don't have a top four, man. Like, I would say my top four influences, then.
Can I say that? Yeah, go ahead. Okay, well, I'm going to say Chuck.
Chuck D

Speaker 28 I'm gonna say Big Daddy Kane

Speaker 28 I'm gonna say Ice Cube

Speaker 28 shooty man

Speaker 28 I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta say Cool J because

Speaker 28 it was just music that dude put out that really inspired me to want to be

Speaker 28 this, man. Yeah.

Speaker 28 I saw all those guys, the concerts, I saw LL,

Speaker 28 The Fat Boy. I was there.
That's what I was talking about. Run DMC, Houdini.
Yep.

Speaker 28 The French Fest. I saw all them in concert one year.
I think it was like 1986. Yeah, that's the year.
That's the year.

Speaker 28 That's the year that's the concert we were coming from when dude robbed that store and killed a clerk. Yeah, that's the concert we were coming from.
It was called the Fresh Fest.

Speaker 28 Yeah, I remember that. Yeah,

Speaker 28 man.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

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Speaker 28 Do you like, do you real, I mean, because for me, I don't think these artists, a lot of times, the artists today and people that follow rap and hip-hop today, I don't think they give that generation the credit that it deserves.

Speaker 28 Because now I face it, feel like if they didn't, if they didn't hear, if they didn't see it, it didn't happen on the internet yesterday, it ain't happened.

Speaker 28 Does that frustrate you? I think it's, you know,

Speaker 28 as shameful as it is, man, I can understand that because look at what they're doing with black history. Yeah.
Okay? Yeah. You see what I'm saying? Like,

Speaker 28 black history is becoming

Speaker 28 extinct.

Speaker 28 And, you know,

Speaker 28 the more and more we try to talk about it and bring it to the forefront,

Speaker 28 the more they try to hide it. Okay? So I understand.
And I would, yeah, if I was trying to brainwash people, man,

Speaker 28 I would do it exactly like that. I would first take their history away, and then I would poison their music.

Speaker 28 That's exactly what I would do. Because

Speaker 28 it's really like I remember back in the gap, man, it was all fire and one or two

Speaker 28 You know

Speaker 28 It felt that slipped through the crack, right? But now it's

Speaker 28 One or two fires

Speaker 28 and everything slipped through the crack. It's my opinion though shit.

Speaker 28 And you know,

Speaker 28 I'm different. I'm cut different.
I'm a little older and I know what it's supposed to sound like. You know, I know the elements of hip-hop.
I was blessed enough to come up in an era where...

Speaker 28 You came up in the golden era. The golden era, yeah.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I can actually go and thank my

Speaker 28 ones that came before me. I can thank them

Speaker 28 for the ground that they laid for me to stand on, man. Like,

Speaker 28 I see Kane, you know, and I see L

Speaker 28 all the time, man, and I thank them. Even

Speaker 28 Red Alert and Kid Capri, I thank them for letting me

Speaker 28 be a part of this. But I had the opportunity to sit down with DJ Cass,

Speaker 28 Cassinova Fly, on the C-A-S-N, the O-D-A, and the F-S-S-S-A-N.

Speaker 28 He stole the man's whole rap.

Speaker 28 That was Big Bang Hank. He wasn't Casting Nova Fly.

Speaker 28 But I heard the story

Speaker 28 along with, so it's Kumo D, Cassinova Fly, and Frab Fire Freddy

Speaker 28 having a talk, man, about hip-hop, man. And I have never felt so unworthy

Speaker 28 to be in a room in my life bro

Speaker 28 like I don't feel worthy to be in there with that because when they talk about it from the beginning like it gives what Shan said you love to hear the story again and again how it all got started way back when it gives it a whole new meaning when you sit and you listen to them talk about hip-hop from the conception

Speaker 28 The 50 years at the beginning. Yeah, man, it was unbelievable, man.
And I was a fly on the wall in that room listening to those voices tell that story, man. And I was like, wow.

Speaker 28 I'm not worthy.

Speaker 28 Storytelling.

Speaker 28 How did that become a part of... Because that's who you are.

Speaker 28 You're a storyteller. You know,

Speaker 28 I think it was in my English class.

Speaker 28 My English class. It was a bit early.
Yeah, it was early. Okay.
You trying to be funny?

Speaker 28 Yeah, I be popping on channel ass hard, man. You see, I ain't fired you up on camera.
But I'm not gonna do it. Okay, I appreciate that.
Okay, I'll treat you at that.

Speaker 28 But I already know you got something to borrow. I got some shit, man.

Speaker 28 Hey, so my English teacher, when I was probably in the third grade,

Speaker 28 used to always tell me about writing, man.

Speaker 28 Writing, your story had to have a, it had to have a beginning,

Speaker 28 It had to have a

Speaker 28 Body a climax and then an ending So I always tried to write my records like that, okay, you know to drag you into the story man to give you the

Speaker 28 To grab you and put you in that motherfucker Oh shit I'm in

Speaker 28 you know and then take you to the climax of it and then end it. Yeah

Speaker 28 So that that's so it's just some old English I don't know was it English man or was it a reading class or a writing class? I don't know. Right.
But

Speaker 28 whatever class it was, it gave me that. Yeah.
Because every, excuse me, every story has to have a start, it has to have a middle, it has to have an end. Yeah.
And that's what he said,

Speaker 28 a beginning, a body, a climax, and an ending.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 So I took something from school. Right.

Speaker 28 You were featured on Biggie, Posthumous.

Speaker 28 Did you ever meet? I met Biggie. I did.
I met him in

Speaker 28 Louisville, Kentucky. Okay.
I met him there.

Speaker 28 Cool dude, man. I never spent a lot of time with Biggie.

Speaker 28 But

Speaker 28 I did have

Speaker 28 the honor of being on one of the records from the Biggie Duets. Right.
So I'm on that.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Pac.

Speaker 28 Spent a lot of time with Tupac.

Speaker 28 Because we were discussing that Smile might have been the last studio thing he can't say that

Speaker 28 because he was always in the studio. I probably left the studio and he did 35 more records that night.
Maybe no, he was a workaholic, man. But probably, though, you would have heard about it.

Speaker 28 True.

Speaker 28 What was he like?

Speaker 28 Pac was wild.

Speaker 28 He had a zero to

Speaker 28 100.

Speaker 28 I have never seen him on zero, though.

Speaker 28 Always seen him on a hundred.

Speaker 28 I've always seen him on a hundred.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 yeah, I ain't never seen him down.

Speaker 28 He was always

Speaker 28 on fire.

Speaker 28 I remember one time,

Speaker 28 true story.

Speaker 28 Where's Warren?

Speaker 28 So Pocket came to my room, and I hate when Warren bring people to my room.

Speaker 28 So my brother brought Tupac to my room. We staying in

Speaker 28 the LaMontros in LA.

Speaker 28 And Warren, I hate this, man, but he knocked on my door. I opened the door and it's Tupac and Warren.

Speaker 28 Warren left.

Speaker 28 Tupac come in the room, man, and this is the first time we started smoking the weed from California. Uh-oh.
So I was really, really, really, really, really, really high. Yeah.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I had a suite and it had two beds, right?

Speaker 28 So I'm high. I'm watching TV, man.
And Pac come in there with all that loud ass shit, man.

Speaker 28 And I grabbed a remote control

Speaker 28 and I just handed it to him.

Speaker 28 He was in like, yeah, man, we're going so we're going this.

Speaker 28 He sat there on the bed for a minute, man, flipping through the channels. He walked to

Speaker 28 the patio door, looked out, and he seen Suge in a red Mercedes-Benz.

Speaker 28 And he left.

Speaker 28 I don't think that

Speaker 28 Pac was that cool with Suge back then. Right.

Speaker 28 Because he did leave.

Speaker 28 And I don't know they could have been the best of friends, but I know that he was gone. Right.
And we ended up getting out and going out somewhere, and

Speaker 28 I didn't see Pac no more. But me and Pac been on tours together.
You know, we've been in Atlanta together.

Speaker 28 That's my partner, man.

Speaker 28 Like, I would talk to Tupac on the phone before he was.

Speaker 28 Me against the world. Not me against the world, but what's one? What's the other album? All I know.
I talked to Tupac before he was all eyes on me.

Speaker 28 All right.

Speaker 28 Me and Pac been down since Tupac lifts now Pac.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? That's the Pac I know. I know the.

Speaker 28 This is for my s Pac. Wow.
Yeah. I know that Pac.

Speaker 28 How is his

Speaker 28 writing style different than yours? I don't know. You never see him write anything? No, but I can tell you that I was his favorite rapper.
And he was mine.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 I leave that where it's at. So maybe we did have similar writing styles, but we never wrote together.
As a matter of fact, he would always be mad at me because it took me so long to write

Speaker 28 records. You know, he was pissed at me, man.
Every time he comes to the studio, yeah, man, let's get up. We're going to go here.

Speaker 28 No, I'm not going there. Right.

Speaker 28 I'm not going anywhere with Pac to begin with because he doesn't have a driver's license.

Speaker 28 My boy, back then, he may have got one, you know, later. He didn't have no driver's But he driving with no license.

Speaker 28 Yeah,

Speaker 28 for sure.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 And he couldn't drive, man. And people was trying to get me to roll that Hummer one time.
And somebody had a picture of that Hummer on the internet, man.

Speaker 28 And I was like, damn, man, that shot me bad. But

Speaker 28 he couldn't drive, man. And he was wild.
And he'd be drinking and he'd be smoking weed and shit. Nah, man, I'm not going to ride with him.
He ain't got no license. He's drinking, smoking weed.

Speaker 28 He's not a very good driver. No, that's that's a recipe for disaster, man.
And to prevent shit is always better than trying to cure it. So, no pot, no, sir.

Speaker 28 You told a story about Jay-Z and how you were in the studio, and he's like,

Speaker 28 Yeah, I like this one. He gets up, goes into the booth, ain't write nothing down.
No,

Speaker 28 oh no.

Speaker 28 And all right, dap you up and gone and peaced out. Let me like,

Speaker 28 damn, I'm sitting in front of the board, stuck, listening to the people.

Speaker 28 He already raped. But he'll sitting that little corner, maybe.

Speaker 28 I know you probably seen on the Timberland when he dusty shoulder out and hear the beat, and

Speaker 28 he rocking and sitting.

Speaker 28 All of a sudden, he's going to take the vocal.

Speaker 28 Explain, tell the

Speaker 28 story of how you said Jay-Z helped you when you were at your worst. We've heard stories about him, what he did for little Wayne.
We heard what he did.

Speaker 28 You know, Wayne had some tax trouble, Jay-ZA, clear.

Speaker 28 He let DMX leave, was in debt, let him leave. I think 21 Savage helped him get an immigration lawyer.

Speaker 28 So we've heard these great stories, no matter what people try to say bad about him, negative about him, but we hear more positive, great stories. Tell your story.

Speaker 28 So, you remember when I caught the COVID and kidney failure and all that? Yeah, yeah, Jay-Z chunked me a lifeline.

Speaker 28 And you know, when I had the kidney and the COVID and the kidney, yeah, DJ Khaled chunked me a lifeline.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 So can't nobody tell me shit about Jay-Z and DJ Khaled. Wow.
Because they chunked me a lifeline. And,

Speaker 28 you know, I got to,

Speaker 28 I'm thankful. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Because

Speaker 28 I wasn't working. Right.
But yeah. So shout out to Hove and DJ Khaled.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 I always talk to, when I talk to Jay-Z, I call him the keeper.

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Speaker 28 he do that big brother shit. Yeah, you know

Speaker 28 you think you think ho would do another album for what

Speaker 28 because people say like for him for what

Speaker 28 he's gotta it like it's gotta move him it's like it's gotta be something that, like, that calls out to him. And right now ain't nothing calling.

Speaker 28 Let me tell you something, man.

Speaker 28 So,

Speaker 28 let me say this so I won't be misunderstood.

Speaker 28 He don't have no reason to rap no more.

Speaker 28 You know, we rap because we was hungry, man. You know what I mean? Right.

Speaker 28 Like,

Speaker 28 we spoke our heart and told our side of the story because we was starving, man.

Speaker 28 You know.

Speaker 28 We ain't starving no more.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? Yeah, I do absolutely. That man not starving no more, man.

Speaker 28 Not in the least. That man got kids.
You see how he's prepping them girls, man? You see that? It's crazy, ain't it, man? It's unbelievable, man.

Speaker 28 And I've been knowing that baby since she was a baby, baby. And to see her up there with her mama, I'm like,

Speaker 28 I call him, man. I say, boy,

Speaker 28 Wayne, did we tell you? That ain't Wayne. I mean, that's Warren.
Warren, Warren.

Speaker 28 He can't help it. He can't help it.
He can't.

Speaker 28 He cannot help that shit. Man, ever since we was kids, bruh, he was always on the phone.

Speaker 28 He always on the phone. Always.

Speaker 28 He on the phone sleep.

Speaker 28 He on the phone FaceTime driving and not saying nothing.

Speaker 28 We got to do better. Like, he just on the look, his air, his earphones is.
Got earphones in. He is on the phone.

Speaker 28 And he ain't talking about shit because his mouth ain't even moving.

Speaker 28 He just listening. He's just that.
He might be listening to a beat. He's not listening to no beat.
That nigga can't rap.

Speaker 28 God damn.

Speaker 28 Oh, help me understand this. I know you heard it because he came on Nightcap.
Jim Jones and his influence in Nas.

Speaker 28 You cool with Jim? I love Jim Jones. But he out his mind, ain't he?

Speaker 28 I don't know why you. I'm not going to say shit about nothing.

Speaker 28 You okay with beefs? You ever had a rap beef with anybody? No, I ain't got no, I don't want no beef. I don't know.

Speaker 28 I don't want no.

Speaker 28 Our beef good. Beef? If you're beef? No, nigga, what you want to do? Like, like, f all that talking, nigga, what you want to do? Like, f all that talk.
What you want to do? They want to talk.

Speaker 28 We are beefing. No, I don't want any f ⁇ ing talking.
What you want to do? Well, keep my name out your mouth. Punk? Seriously.
Don't say shit about me.

Speaker 28 Like, that's how I felt about it. That's how you feel about it.
Yeah. So you ain't going to have no beef about you.

Speaker 28 Nigga, I'm done now. I'm going to be beefing for now.
Yeah, you know. What the f you want beef? Oh, you want beef now? I ain't rapping no more.
You

Speaker 28 now you want a beef.

Speaker 28 No,

Speaker 28 I don't want no smoke from nobody in all honesty, man. Because

Speaker 28 I can't control what nobody else do. Right.
You know what I'm saying? I can't control what nobody else do. I ain't got nothing to do with it.
Right.

Speaker 28 But I don't have no control over what somebody else do. Right.

Speaker 28 And back when we was took that shit so serious and social, man. They take it personal, man.
Right.

Speaker 28 And I don't I don't never want to be in involved in that kind of stuff man right you have a great relationship with cube because you've been on a lot of the soundtracks a mentor

Speaker 28 he's a mentor

Speaker 28 you know he's a mentor we were

Speaker 28 we made a song

Speaker 28 made yeah I leave that but yeah he's a mentor

Speaker 28 you work with master p you work with some heavyweight space

Speaker 28 I did.

Speaker 28 So I was listening to a song. I'm going to go back to Cube shit.
So I'm listening to the, I'm listening to a record me and Cube did. We sitting in the studio listening together, right?

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I'm listening, and he listening.

Speaker 28 And I'm like, and he like,

Speaker 28 is that you or me?

Speaker 28 I say, I don't know.

Speaker 28 Damn.

Speaker 28 Because that's how similar

Speaker 28 our styles and delivery is, you know.

Speaker 28 That's how much influence that

Speaker 28 an impact that he has and had on my career. Right.
You know what I mean? Because it's certain shit that we don't know the difference between you. Like, I have songs with Q that

Speaker 28 we don't know the difference. Wow.

Speaker 28 Who's who?

Speaker 28 You know, you can tell in the rap part. But you can't tell in certain areas where you saying shit.
Like, who is that? That's you? No, no, no. That's me.
No, that's me. Where are your ghost writing?

Speaker 28 Because some people, like, it's okay. Then some people, like, I mean, because nobody, nobody.
Now, I think now, who cares? Really? Yeah. Okay.
But back then,

Speaker 28 MC Light said it the best. She said, whoever wrote your rhymes might as well hold your microphone.
Damn. But now I don't give a f ⁇ .

Speaker 28 I'm not in no more. I don't care.
Write.

Speaker 28 Do you?

Speaker 28 How do you get in?

Speaker 28 Like, everything has changed, man. They had the no-snitch policy in effect.
Everything has changed, man. Everybody telling everybody business.

Speaker 28 Truth. Yeah, so no, things have changed, bro.

Speaker 28 So the right to ride policy? Yeah. Whatever.

Speaker 28 Drake moved to Houston. You ain't tell him not to come.

Speaker 28 Drake don't live in Houston. He got a place in Houston.
He live in the country. So?

Speaker 28 I want to live in the country, too. Okay, go move to the country.

Speaker 28 You have more fun out there, but you have a lot of, well...

Speaker 28 No, hell no. I know what you're trying to do.
You look I'm just you show me around you show me where I need to live face. I'll show you where you need to live.
Okay, but after that, that's it. No,

Speaker 28 I'm not going no finger with you. Face, we feel like we're gonna kick it.
I got a microphone.

Speaker 28 I know you

Speaker 28 Drake said UK rappers are better than American rappers.

Speaker 28 I don't know a whole lot of UK rappers

Speaker 28 you know what I don't know I don't know any UK rappers but I don't have nothing against them UK or

Speaker 28 but

Speaker 28 that's like me saying Kobe was better than Jordan yeah you know you had a blueprint to study right you know what I mean yeah Jordan created the blueprint for you to study so for Kobe to be better than him that's a possibility right

Speaker 28 you know If you study the blueprint enough,

Speaker 28 you become the blueprint.

Speaker 28 So, if UK rappers are better than the rappers from the United States,

Speaker 28 they had enough to study.

Speaker 28 True. Okay?

Speaker 28 And they had enough time to study it.

Speaker 28 All right?

Speaker 28 So, no comment. I mean, that's my comment.

Speaker 28 If you were to get, let's say, you know what, somebody gets face to come out. Who would you like to get on the beat with?

Speaker 28 Nobody.

Speaker 28 Can't nobody get you to come out of retirement? I'm done.

Speaker 28 I got on Cube's

Speaker 28 ego. Yeah.

Speaker 28 But that's it. That's the best you're going to do.
Yeah. Ice Cube.
I come off Ice Cube. Okay.
I did come off the Cube. Right.

Speaker 28 Houston. You got Beyonce, you got Meg, you got Travis Scott, you got Lizzo,

Speaker 28 you got Bro, you got Bun B.

Speaker 28 What's in Houston? What are we missing about Houston?

Speaker 28 Hell the cat out the bag, man. Everybody moving there.

Speaker 28 Got room for one more

Speaker 28 We got some dope ass artists man, you missing up you missing a lot out of it out of Houston man,

Speaker 28 you know

Speaker 28 you missing a lot you you got you got

Speaker 28 Slim's a native Kiki's a native. Yeah.
Paul

Speaker 28 Paul, yeah, Paul Walker. Yeah.
Lil Kiki. Yeah, Kiki.
Yeah.

Speaker 28 Sauce.

Speaker 28 Sauce Walker, yeah. Clay, Kylie Ong.
Like, you got some heat coming out of Houston, man. They can really go.
Kay Reno

Speaker 28 is one of the guys that came up a little before I did.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 I think he's the epitome of what Houston rap should have been. Right.

Speaker 28 You know, or could have been. Because he's a lyrical.

Speaker 28 giant in it, you know. Matter of fact, he's on my album.

Speaker 28 i can't remember the song

Speaker 28 but he's on the um emeritus album with the song of me slim and in uh k rino but he's a he's a pillar in in in in in houston uh hip-hop man and it's a few more but we got some smoke out there man yeah you do you do you know

Speaker 28 Do you think people start beefs now just to get attention? Because I see a lot of people going at somebody. I'm like, I didn't even know they were beefing.
When did this happen?

Speaker 28 You're asking about rapping, man. I don't know too much about it no more.

Speaker 28 You know, I always start to hold.

Speaker 28 The motherfucking window closing. I'm going to get one.

Speaker 28 I got the edit button. Oh, you god dang sure do.

Speaker 28 When you're beefing with somebody, man, somebody actually did something to you back then. Okay.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 28 and when you saw each other, you fought. All right.
Perfect example is like Ice Cube and WA when Cube left the group and they both were at the new music seminar in New York. They fought.

Speaker 28 All right? Yeah.

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 when you got a beef, man, they fight. You fight.
You're just somebody on record. When you see them, you got to be prepared to do whatever you got to do.

Speaker 28 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Kanye now, nowadays.

Speaker 28 They just talking. They're just talking.
Yeah. It's just

Speaker 28 rapping. Yeah.
Kanye, you work with Kanye. I did.

Speaker 28 What's Kanye like in the studio?

Speaker 28 When I was working with Kanye, man, Kanye a baby, he bad, bruh. Oh, Kanye cold.

Speaker 28 Kanye cold, cold, cold.

Speaker 28 I think sometimes we forget about that face because we see some of the antics that he's got going on now. Yeah, but

Speaker 28 you go back and look at Khali Drop Office. Get away.
Bruh.

Speaker 28 Bruh. When Kanye would come to the studio, see, Kanye was a producer, man, before he started rapping.
Correct. Okay?

Speaker 28 And he always, that's him on the Dean, on the Guess Who's Bazaar?

Speaker 28 Oh, that's that's Doug. That's Kanye.
Wow. But

Speaker 28 Kanye, when he,

Speaker 28 back when he was making beats, man,

Speaker 28 like

Speaker 28 he played beats for days and days and days, and he just sit there and play them.

Speaker 28 And he'd be like, man.

Speaker 28 Wow, I got so many beats from Kanye

Speaker 28 from the from the fix album

Speaker 28 and

Speaker 28 working on other stuff, but I got a lot of music with Kanye that never

Speaker 28 that I never put out. Right, but Kanye was the producer, man.

Speaker 28 And we had that, we had a

Speaker 28 tight-ass producer-rapper relationship, man. And that was my friend, too, man.
That's my partner, right? You know,

Speaker 28 and

Speaker 28 that fork,

Speaker 28 that fork in the road, you know, we all started together. I always feel like me and Jay and Yay and DMX and

Speaker 28 Irv and we were all in the office together. We was all in the office together.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 we was leaving, we was riding, we was riding, and then they went here.

Speaker 28 And I was like, you know what? I'm finna go home.

Speaker 28 I went home, man.

Speaker 28 And I don't feel bad about going home, bro.

Speaker 28 I don't feel bad about going home. Because I don't ever want to be in the position where I can't enjoy

Speaker 28 me.

Speaker 28 I just want to enjoy me, bro. You know, enjoy my life.
Enjoy

Speaker 28 the fruits of my labor, you know. Which ain't a whole lot of shit, but...
It's mine, man. And I ain't got to have no 75

Speaker 28 traveling with me when I go somewhere. You know what I mean? I don't have to hide and shit, man.
I don't want to hide. I don't want to run from nobody.
You know, I just want to wave at them

Speaker 28 and go on about my business.

Speaker 28 So I don't want to be too famous, never. Right.
Sampling. Where are you on sampling? You let somebody sample some of your stuff?

Speaker 28 And if they do, do you have to hear it?

Speaker 28 I don't care.

Speaker 28 I don't care about nothing that got anything to do with this no more.

Speaker 28 Damn.

Speaker 28 Very, very bitter about it. Why are you so bitter about it? I just.

Speaker 28 You feel you were wronged? Taking advantage of it?

Speaker 28 The music industry within itself is wrong. Okay.
All right. If you look at, I would like to compare contracts.

Speaker 28 I would like to compare a Beastie Boys contract to a ghetto boys contract. Or, you know what I mean? I'd like to see,

Speaker 28 other

Speaker 28 genre artists. Artists, yeah, I would like to see a maze contract as opposed to a Van Halen contract.
You feel me?

Speaker 28 Like, I know it's a big, big

Speaker 28 difference between the pay scales in those contracts. But, yeah, it's not

Speaker 28 nah, bro.

Speaker 28 So, I don't care what they do with it. What do you know now you wish you had known then?

Speaker 28 I don't want to change nothing about it.

Speaker 28 You know, I'm right where I want to be. Really? Yeah, I'm not,

Speaker 28 I don't need no whole lot.

Speaker 28 You know what I mean? Like, I don't need a lot.

Speaker 28 I mean, I don't. You pay when I come to Houston.
Huh? You pay when I come to Houston. I'm what? You're paying.

Speaker 28 You're going to reach in your back pocket, pull out your, I don't know if you, maybe you carry a money clip or something, whatever, and you're going to put that down. On what?

Speaker 28 You know, I like, you know, I like. Oh, you? Yeah.
No, bro.

Speaker 28 Hold up. How am I going to come to Houston and you think I'm going to pay?

Speaker 28 Bruh, I'm in Vegas and I ain't even had lunch yet, and it's

Speaker 28 six o'clock. I haven't even had breakfast.

Speaker 28 I'm trying to figure out how that gets to be my fault.

Speaker 28 I'm doing club Shea Shea.

Speaker 28 You know,

Speaker 28 tight budget right now.

Speaker 28 No button right now. No but

Speaker 28 this concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listened to part one on.

Speaker 28 Just simply go back to Club Shether profile and I'll see you there.

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