SUPERFLY #65 - Rob Lowe Talks Hollywood

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Speaker 1 Hey, everybody. Welcome to fly there's dana here

Speaker 1 and his stark pad here's spade and his pea soup green backdrop he keeps threatening to change but he hasn't yet i'm a minimalist i figured that out i'm a minimalist i think as you go along and you get to buy things you like and you do things you start to get that way and that's what i'm starting to get you don't need a ton of things i need elbow room uh you like your freedom you like different things but once you have a car you got some clothes.

Speaker 2 It's good for the economy. You know, that's all I can say.
If the whole country was me, we'd be in a deep depression.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm out there. I do throw some back into the econ, but I try not to get too

Speaker 1 pushy about it. This is literally not the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 2 You were pretty close and it was kind of clear.

Speaker 1 You don't want to say, hey, I got some beans in my jeans, even though I'm showing off a teal pullover today

Speaker 2 do you want to mention the maker of the said sweater so that you may get a free one in the mail or i don't think i know i know it's teal and i know it's for real and i know i saw a basketball by skill

Speaker 2 for a big meal i'm not made of steel but this is for real with teal dude we just lost a thousand viewers it's a big deal they haven't even gotten focused yet we're on in the background they're flipping a smashed dude don't squeal.

Speaker 2 So dumb. I'm going to adjust my camera.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So here we are.
We made it to another superfly. Everyone's stoked.
We do have a guest later. And, but right now I want to hear about anything that happened in the last week of note.

Speaker 1 And it better be of note.

Speaker 2 Should we tell? Should we tease?

Speaker 1 Tease the guests? Sure.

Speaker 2 No, go ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, can you do a drum roll? Some

Speaker 2 ladies and gentlemen, in a little bit, we're going to have our good buddy, the one and only, really, the hardest working man in show business,

Speaker 2 been with us America, been a star for a long time. Still looks like he's an high school senior, Rob Lowe.
Rob Lowe, Brett Pack. Rob Lowe Brett Pack.

Speaker 1 But first.

Speaker 2 I had an observation.

Speaker 1 Oh, good. Okay.

Speaker 2 So, what do you do?

Speaker 2 Like, there's this really nice guy at this place I go to for breakfast and stuff. And he's one of those people that really likes to laugh.

Speaker 2 So he'll say something, but it's just perfunctory information, but he'll laugh like as if it's a joke. And am I supposed to laugh? Like,

Speaker 2 I walk in and he goes, hey, pal, normally you come earlier.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 2 That's awesome. I'm like, and and then we're leaving.
He goes, you know,

Speaker 2 you should adopt me.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's the greatest guy with an incredible sense of humor, but it's just informational. I want to give him a joke or something.

Speaker 1 I know. I think the problem is we're comedians.

Speaker 1 And the same pilot that said when I got on, he saw me. And then he goes, hey, we got our 737 on the Lunspeaker.
Hope our door doesn't fly off.

Speaker 1 You can't do jokes like that just for me because everyone goes what the

Speaker 1 you know it's not funny to some people and then when i'm also ordering and if you're a comedian anything you say you go do you guys have eggs here uh before 10 they go yeah

Speaker 1 what just you mean yeah just yes it's fine he just likes to laugh i think it's very sweet but i um yeah i like that he's laughing at everything that's like people that write lol but after what they say Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's, it's, it's sweet, but I feel like I, I want to give him, like, my joke with him is like,

Speaker 2 hey, where, where's Bob? Cause you can't be him because you must be his younger brother. You know, you look so much younger

Speaker 2 than when I saw you last time. And it wasn't my best joke, but at least it was somewhat humorous.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's at least some reason to laugh, like a Q line.

Speaker 2 Like, here we go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. It's awkward sometimes, but it's still, it's fun.
Sometimes, like, people text and they go, Hey, like, I get an offender banner with a guy.

Speaker 1 And he's like, Hey, I guess I should get your insurance LOL.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, Yeah. And he goes, You weren't hurt at all, were you, LOL? I'm like, I don't know where we're going to stop joking and it's serious.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 You can't put LOL on everything.

Speaker 2 Well, Laugh Out Loud used to be a big bar, Laugh Out Loud funny before these little memes came in. So most things are slightly humorous.

Speaker 2 We've got to come up with something, I guess,

Speaker 2 slightly humorous that doesn't

Speaker 2 m h minimally humorous minimally humorous or kf we good kind of funny

Speaker 2 not a put down but not a compliment but laugh out loud a n almost nothing

Speaker 1 i made almost no reaction by the way no one's making reactions they're just saying they bother putting R-O-M-L-O-L

Speaker 2 roll on the floor laughing my fucking ass.

Speaker 1 I go, you you don't have to go through all those histronics to tell me you're not even laughing at all.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know. Where were you?

Speaker 2 Do you remember the first time you realized you could add these little hearts or little pictures, a little dog, or the first moment you said, hey, wait a minute, I can take this just English language print with all this stuff?

Speaker 2 I used to put like 50 in there.

Speaker 1 For my age, I spent way too much of a part of my day looking for emojis. Maybe two.

Speaker 2 That's what they're called. Emojis.
Emojis.

Speaker 1 I put ROL, I put roll on floor, falling on ground, lit on fire with a bear trap on my nuts. That's how hard I left.

Speaker 2 Did you just make that up? Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's pretty good. It's not bad, right? Usually, I think your envelope are kind of pre-planned.
You know, you got

Speaker 2 it up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Heather's holding a note. She scribbles a joke and holds it up.

Speaker 2 She does

Speaker 2 read it. Yeah, but that was, that was actually

Speaker 2 pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm always looking for where's the parachute? Where's the fucking big rock, where's the ball of yarn?

Speaker 1 The shit I send people are

Speaker 1 you put all your work into this stupid fucking time.

Speaker 2 It's always funny to say, What's up, fuckface? You know, that's funny. It's just always good, you know, like that.
Or that's good. My pronouns are, um,

Speaker 2 what's up, motherfucker?

Speaker 2 Those are your pronouns? Yeah, that's my pronouns. I put my pronouns are, and I put yarn,

Speaker 1 and then the fucking alien guy.

Speaker 2 Let's be honest, your pronoun is teal sweater,

Speaker 1 dude. Everyone's buzzing about this callback.
Yeah, it's pretty sweet, but I don't want to overdo it. I don't want to hear it in the comments.
I'll block you, by the way.

Speaker 1 I'll block the shit out of you. I don't take.

Speaker 2 Have you ever read the comments and then realized the next morning, damn, I cried myself to sleep last night?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we overall, I figure that people watch them and do comments as it's going because it's as the show goes on. It's now new subjects they're talking

Speaker 2 there like yeah they're just like

Speaker 1 kind of funny

Speaker 1 don't care for that one and then they're like teal actually isn't a color of the rainbow

Speaker 1 i'm just glad they're engaging that's the thing you know i guess it's good yeah it is fun to hear the thoughts because i'll read the thoughts but if they get too out of control and too rough, then you gotta,

Speaker 1 because people go, why would you block me?

Speaker 2 I go, Well, I'm here to have fun.

Speaker 1 I don't need someone saying something horribly, crazily negative and threatening or something.

Speaker 2 You go, Obviously, I'll block you.

Speaker 2 I assume as two high school kids, let's get the Tommy Boy and the Wayne's World guy, man. Shut up, Brian.
I'm typing, just shut up. Tell them

Speaker 1 anyone I DM that that I get pissed off if I really can't take it.

Speaker 2 They're like, Oh my God, I'm the biggest fan in the world.

Speaker 2 Are you though?

Speaker 1 And that's what you chose to write that's what you picked and you thought that would fly

Speaker 2 have you ever

Speaker 2 posted something critical

Speaker 2 no

Speaker 2 no some sane

Speaker 1 an article youtube yeah no i could i could imagine saying i disagree or i don't know what you're doing but i wouldn't say anything where it would be so

Speaker 1 rough

Speaker 1 this guy in michigan was writing me saying i'm gonna bust every bone in your body with a baseball he was like literally threatening to kill me over and over.

Speaker 1 And I just wanted to, I should have posted it just to say,

Speaker 1 because he's in a band and I wanted to say, hey, this is, I'm just posting this to show your friends. This is what you do in between band breaks.

Speaker 1 You've got a psycho behind you on the drums because he's writing all this shit. And he's like, then you see his pictures.
He's at practice. I'm like, quit acting like you're a nice guy, fish.

Speaker 2 It's usually like a wedding or something.

Speaker 1 The girls that send me the dirtiest ones, you should go to their page and it's like them at their wedding a week ago. I go,

Speaker 2 I just the anonymity. Hey, look at that word.

Speaker 2 Do whatever you want. I mean, I feel less alone.
I get inspired by the comments if I'm watching a Beatle thing because, you know, I'm kind of that's a fanatic.

Speaker 2 And it's like John Lennon's in my life or whatever it is. And then the comments are just like, I thought I was the only one.
They're just like, oh, these, this band is a miracle.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 You know, by the way, I swear to God, and it sounds like I'm lying. I was going to dinner, we talked about the Beatles so much.

Speaker 1 I thought I've never asked Dana because you like so many Beatles songs if you had to love in my life.

Speaker 2 In my life,

Speaker 1 but we never mention it, but it's a great one.

Speaker 2 Is it Lennon?

Speaker 2 Places I remember.

Speaker 2 Yeah. In my life,

Speaker 2 I love you. It was in an old Jody Foster movie, I think, and I remember hearing it going, it's it's a you know, the silliness is that John Lennon is like 25,

Speaker 1 you know, and it's about his life, he's just a kid, yeah.

Speaker 2 Um, and you know, obviously, it's the melody and the lyric. Now, that is the one Beatles song, or there might be just a couple where Paul and John remembered it differently.

Speaker 2 So, Paul remembers, you know, there's the middle eight, with lovers and friends, I went before

Speaker 2 the role so

Speaker 2 it feels like he was a big contributor or an important contributor yeah it's it's very Lenin you know that

Speaker 2 that first part is so Lenin you know I don't there are places I remember you know just but um that's one we're gonna have Paul back on oh yeah we're gonna ask Paul to come back on I want to get Ringo on too because when they came out of the gate after the Beatles

Speaker 1 i don't think it was john or paul that had the first hit was it i thought ringo sort of came out big and no one expected it and so did george harrison is that true no

Speaker 2 okay but they're they were

Speaker 2 thank god it wasn't paul i was saying this bullshit to

Speaker 1 i just remember that Ringo, I think, would have been the one they wouldn't have expected time from. And then he had Photograph, which is a fucking killer.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 that was in the 70s.

Speaker 2 Ringo had ringo a true star i think it was called only 16 big hit albums for sure but back at the beginning you know they had pete best and they had to let him go and they ringo always was a fan of theirs like in hamburg ringo is with rory and the hurricanes and he would he would hang out at the club brought some from the fan club in he woke he he just liked them and paul didn't see selena john would would bring the songs to Ringo and George Harrison in the early days.

Speaker 2 It goes like this, goes like this and then ringo's genius was picking the perfect drum thing to that song dom dom

Speaker 2 that they were like me brothers they were like me brothers peace love me brothers who had the first hit after the

Speaker 2 he got balloons

Speaker 2 who had the first hit when the beatles broke up go obviously i don't know uh the first mega hit was i think um

Speaker 2 No, George Harrison's All Things Must Pass. His double album is still the number one selling post-Beatle album.
And he had a

Speaker 2 My Sweet Lord. Oh, that was a fucking killer.
Yeah. McCartney did have massive hits and Ringo and John.
I mean, if you look at Dream Number Nine and Imagine and

Speaker 2 Watching the Wheels, you know, Lennon had his, you know,

Speaker 2 I love that song.

Speaker 2 I'm just sitting there watching the wheels go round and round.

Speaker 1 No, but Gervitz took me to see Beatles, not Beatles, but a McCartney in Wings killer.

Speaker 2 What year?

Speaker 2 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Am I rich? We're sitting up close. I'm sorry.
Are these good seats?

Speaker 2 Must have been the Wings. Wings broke up in the 80s, I think, as a band, but the latest incarnation of Paul McCartney's.

Speaker 1 Really? I couldn't have seen Wings at the beginning.

Speaker 2 I thought this is worth people in the comments. I thought Paul McCartney and Wings was

Speaker 2 disbanded as a name of a band, but you know.

Speaker 1 Well, I would have been.

Speaker 1 I can't even say these numbers. It's too embarrassing.

Speaker 1 But, okay, let's do a few stories and I'll leave. Should I do any stories? Yeah.
Oh, no, we got to do.

Speaker 1 Should we just bring out our guests and end it there?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and just

Speaker 2 so people know and more of a tease, don't do the laundry right now.

Speaker 2 Oh, I don't do the laundry right now. We're just going to discuss a little bit the recession that's happening for all the different people who work in Hollywood, not the movie stars.

Speaker 2 And so Rob's very,

Speaker 2 he has some insight into that. He does his hit game show in Ireland for a reason.
It's much, you know,

Speaker 2 you listen to the podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I'm going to ask him a real question. Is Bulgaria a real place? Because I always hear that country.
And I

Speaker 1 got into my head, I couldn't find it on a map.

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Speaker 2 I mean, let's, you know, Rob Lowe, literally.

Speaker 2 Rob Lowe, literally, which is in season 11.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 We also have the same manager. We always talk about Gerbits.
Got to get the money. Rob Lowe likes money.

Speaker 2 You don't like money.

Speaker 3 i was just on the phone with him i said i gotta go go help go you know go help team team gerbits with the two star clients

Speaker 2 you are the you're the star client because you're you're a hard worker we like to take naps and take months off at a time you actually work i i i what is it he was rob low he always made he always made money for his partners Likes money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Rob Lowe, he always tells me, I could tell Rob Lowe, and he'd say yes right now. You don't like to do anything.

Speaker 2 He hates, you hate money. Yeah, I guess you just don't like money.

Speaker 1 Rob, I just did a thing. I ran into Shaquille O'Neal and he goes, I don't know if I like that sweater you got on.
I go, this is Teal, man. It's for real.

Speaker 1 And Teal's a very expensive color. I try to trick him.
And he goes, man, you're walking around trying to look like Rob Lowe.

Speaker 2 Why would

Speaker 2 way?

Speaker 2 Why would it for real?

Speaker 2 Oh, that's so. Isn't Isn't that funny? The last thing I saw, Robbie was running on the beach with his shirt off.
Cause, of course, I go on daily mail because I'm addicted to the

Speaker 2 madness. And it's not, you don't look average.
You don't look normal. No.
You look, you're looking good.

Speaker 1 He's, he goes that Tom Cruise, like, whatever that is.

Speaker 2 Tom Cruise, I love Tom Cruise. The guy's brilliant, but he doesn't take his shirt off anymore, does he? In movies? No.
No, because he's smart.

Speaker 3 I took a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 I was like, you did really god damn it i'm like i i was

Speaker 3 you know it's like i said frame it correctly like there's

Speaker 3 there's a certain level with which the framing reveals

Speaker 3 you know that i'm in my third trimester

Speaker 3 yeah that i'm you know

Speaker 1 of life or your pregnancy

Speaker 2 of my um Of my donut belly. You were coming right at the camera.
Side angles are the worst. You can look in the mirror and look at yourself and go, damn.
Then go side angle. Whoops.

Speaker 2 That's where all the sins are. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, Tom Cruise runs with his hands straight up and down like this for less wind resistance.

Speaker 2 In case he has to try

Speaker 1 somebody. And he usually runs for about roughly 15 to 20 minutes through every movie in a full sprint, every take.

Speaker 2 Yep. I'm like, okay, well, I want to ask Rob.
He knows his way around the movie business.

Speaker 1 And I have a question for Rob.

Speaker 2 Because I would say, if I ran into Tom, I'd say the most impressive thing, if it's real, is not hanging off the airplane.

Speaker 2 It's sprinting with that kind of authority at 60-something because the hip flexors. So, do you think they do slightly

Speaker 2 speed it up a little bit?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 3 I was, Tom and I, I think both,

Speaker 3 I think, I could be wrong, but I think we both initially learned to run

Speaker 3 from Emilio Esteves's running coach.

Speaker 3 There's a guy named

Speaker 1 Esteves.

Speaker 2 Is this for the outsiders?

Speaker 2 What movie was this?

Speaker 3 This was, it would have been post-Outsiders, and it was a guy named Milan Tiff, and he won the triple jump. Okay.

Speaker 3 He was in the 1968 famous 1968 American Olympic team, you know,

Speaker 2 Mexico City where Bob Beaman went 29-2.

Speaker 1 Bob Beaman set the record.

Speaker 2 And I guess the triple jump may also have been a world record or close.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm not sure if he won there, but he was on that team. And then, and anyway, we were all training with Milan, and he was a big, the hand thing was the big thing.

Speaker 3 And then you also make it a flap, by the way. There's this, and then you make it like you make it a little flap down.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Big dolphin move.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, what about this breakfast club reunion? Why don't you guys have an Outsiders reunion?

Speaker 3 um

Speaker 3 well we're doing you know we're doing st elmer's fire part two we are going to do that what

Speaker 2 what uh-oh we just trended thank you thank you roll thank you thank you no you are saint elmer's fud

Speaker 3 and everyone's coming back for this everybody's coming back i mean we we got to get the script right

Speaker 3 i mean

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 we've all been there for that one.

Speaker 2 Have you got a draft that you read and said?

Speaker 3 No draft yet. It's due any day.

Speaker 2 You were never really a Brat Pack guy, per se, right? Because you had too many other things going on.

Speaker 2 I don't consider you part of it, but you crossed over with it or were you?

Speaker 3 I mean, I think I mean, I know this, that I'm on the cover of that New York magazine article that coined the Brat Pack.

Speaker 2 Okay, so then you were part of the Brat Pack. I mean,

Speaker 3 as much as I would like to deny it, but you know what?

Speaker 3 I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 I think having a totally a name that's great those were great movies they were

Speaker 1 john hughes movies and all those great movies great hookie hookie uh name for your club mayor winningham allie sheedy yep she's a great actress allie sheedy i know it all you know you know

Speaker 1 yeah Now that's good, but did you see this breakfast club? That was kind of cool.

Speaker 3 It was great. It was so cool to see them on stage.
I haven't been able to see or find

Speaker 3 the entirety of the interview. I've only seen the clips, but it was super, super sweet to see everybody together and hear them talk about the movie.

Speaker 1 It's a clips world. Which one of those, if any, have blocked you? Go ahead.

Speaker 2 All of them.

Speaker 2 Anthony Michael Hall has blocked you.

Speaker 1 That I find hard. He is a nice dude.
I thought he was a good person. He was a very nice dude.

Speaker 2 Did you have him on literally? We had him on Fly.

Speaker 3 I did. He was great.

Speaker 3 Fly.

Speaker 3 He was

Speaker 3 great. He and

Speaker 2 charming, smart. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Great actor.

Speaker 2 Always was a great actor. He's amazing in that movie.

Speaker 3 Breakfast Club for me is the best of

Speaker 3 that moment in time.

Speaker 2 That was,

Speaker 3 yeah, that movie holds up.

Speaker 2 Very cool idea.

Speaker 2 That high guys of the 80s perfectly. Yeah.
That was the one.

Speaker 1 If you had a teacher, Paul Gleason was great.

Speaker 1 Amazing.

Speaker 1 Grab some wood, Bub.

Speaker 2 Wow, they don't make movies like that anymore.

Speaker 2 Like it, it's all dog shit.

Speaker 3 How about they don't?

Speaker 2 How do you like that?

Speaker 1 I'll sign you up for a movie like that. You want to do a movie?

Speaker 2 Sorry, go back into Gerbits. All right.

Speaker 1 Uh, now, Rob, we were going to talk to you a little bit about the state of the state because nothing too heavy because we're all a bunch of idiots. We literally don't know.

Speaker 2 Well, it started with his comment about the floor. Sorry to interject, but that was interesting.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the floor is shot on Mars with the space origin.

Speaker 3 It's It's easier for us to shoot on the outer rings of Mars.

Speaker 2 No shit.

Speaker 3 It turns out that that's less cost prohibitive than shooting it in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 You know, I will tell you this, Rob, just to for sure interrupt you.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 I did a game show, which those game shows are kind of interesting because they can always come back.

Speaker 2 Snake out, snake eyes. Snoic oil.

Speaker 1 Don't know, don't do that.

Speaker 1 Snake oil.

Speaker 3 You know, David, the thing is, you need to be careful when you wear a hat on

Speaker 3 the one sheet.

Speaker 2 Is that a Lorne thing?

Speaker 2 It should be, because it's true.

Speaker 3 I saw you in the straw hat boater, and I thought.

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Speaker 3 Riverboat Gambler, maybe.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure. You know, it's the hat and cane thing.
It's very stubby K.

Speaker 2 It's very early music.

Speaker 3 It's fine if you're Hugh Jackman and you're in the music man.

Speaker 2 But if you're Rob, this is your best music man. Lauren, I haven't heard you do it in a while.
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 It's actually admonishing me for my poster.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 Hugh Jackman was, that's where, because it fits Lauren's rhythm. So Hugh Jackman, you know, it's a

Speaker 2 tap dancer.

Speaker 3 But I think what you'll find is

Speaker 3 you're not.

Speaker 2 You don't want to be Clue Gallagher before 1960.

Speaker 1 so only rob knows who clue i do not know who that is i like the idea though

Speaker 2 how does tarantino do it he gets these guys from nowhere he puts clue gallagher and what i don't know if it was once upon a time but whatever but anyway it is once upon a time yeah my story was before i so rudely rudely made fun of it it's your turn

Speaker 1 it's not really any story it's kind of like robbed the funny thing about that was we met one night to talk about doing the game show First of all, these guys are all great except Fox.

Speaker 1 And then they said,

Speaker 1 you know, we talked about what it would be and it's sort of kind of interesting idea. And they go, we do it in LA, which is not that hard.
And I was like, great.

Speaker 1 So the next day we go to make the deal. And Gervitz goes, okay, here's the deal points.
And you shoot it in Ireland. I go, wait, this wasn't even 24 hours later, Mark.

Speaker 1 It's a bit already even moved to Ireland.

Speaker 2 So the joke was, you're opening Tarzana.

Speaker 1 Like what Rob said is that they just said, well, it's cheaper. And the bigger picture here is I get a lot of complaints and a lot of concerns.

Speaker 1 Of course, we've got a lot of talented makeup people here. We've got a lot of union guys.

Speaker 1 Why aren't we doing more here? And it's really a big problem that everyone kind of skimmed jobs over, but it's a problem.

Speaker 2 And people are leaving town. This is what I am here for.

Speaker 3 I've been able to

Speaker 3 a number of times say, if I'm doing it, I'm going to do it only in LA. I did that with 911 Lone Star.
That was going to move to,

Speaker 3 it was going to be in where it took place in Texas. It was going to be in Austin.

Speaker 3 And I was able to keep that production.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 five seasons, right?

Speaker 3 Five seasons. I was, I turned down an amazing

Speaker 3 series that was going to shoot in New York. I asked them to move that to LA and they couldn't do it.
So they just didn't make it at all.

Speaker 3 And because

Speaker 3 we know those people that

Speaker 3 make the movie business work, the technicians, the grips, the electrics, the drivers, the caterers.

Speaker 1 Make all moves here for one reason. Everyone's here because it's Hollywood.
It's Tinseltown. And we're losing that.
And we can't just have high taxes and crime. You got to have something to offset it.

Speaker 1 And it's like, oh, it's Hollywood. We make movies.
We got to be here.

Speaker 1 It's hard to keep arguing that when they keep going,

Speaker 3 we got to make it incentivize it right and listen it's not like california is gun shy about throwing money at people no

Speaker 3 i like what i like my favorite is the way they draw the line here

Speaker 3 exactly we'll throw money at every in class of person that's ever been invented but when it comes to the people that make hollywood go that's the most famous thing about the country I think they're going to have to prove their

Speaker 1 right here's 20 billion for homeless. Actually, we lost, but it's somewhere.

Speaker 1 And then they go, Hollywood, you're going to get 750 million aren't you excited i'm like for the whole we can't have a b in front of it nothing that's like four shows you do one avatar that's 400 million well and also you don't know if you're going to get it that's the other thing it's that's really the other thing because you you can't even

Speaker 3 what are you going to do to go into casting pre-production all of that stuff hoping you literally hoping you literally actually win the lottery and it is it's

Speaker 3 yes it's it's been it's bananas it's like, I mean, look,

Speaker 3 don't get me started on the state of the state.

Speaker 2 This is the idea.

Speaker 2 There is one metric that

Speaker 2 is a little a sidestep I read about that the cost of living in LA, you know, for all the people we're talking about, a basic home is about a million bucks in Los Angeles County. I'll believe that.

Speaker 2 And so that's another driver of people kind of going, I don't know if actually all these people who make movies, The Grips, The Cruise, everything, whether they're moving out of state, because, well, there's more production in Atlanta, so I'll just step outside that thing.

Speaker 2 But Austin, it has to be a cause to live, but it would have to be someone taking it on and funding it. We have to at least match the incentives, sure.
Which there is a bill and TSM state assembly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, even if it's a push.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's a bill. There's a bill now that apparently is going to be really, really helpful.

Speaker 3 My understanding of it, and I haven't read the bill itself, but my understanding of it is that it would make California at least on par with New York.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 New York has more than us, right?

Speaker 1 Right now, oh, God, yeah, because I never hear any, I hear Boston a lot, I hear New Orleans, I hear Austin. Um,

Speaker 1 there's a lot where they're making it very easy,

Speaker 2 and then uh,

Speaker 3 there's also things like this is where you know, if there's a there's a there's enough blame to go around equally. And look, I'm I'm a believer, the IAPSI crew are the greatest

Speaker 3 artisans and technicians in the world. But the unions, I think, also have to come to play ball.

Speaker 3 I just saw a study of a movie that was, now, granted, I don't know how long the shooting schedule would have been for, because that would affect the number, but their number for their

Speaker 3 grip department, which, for those of you who don't know, the grips are the people that build the sets, move the walls, do all the construction. The budget was $59,000 for run of the movie in Hungary.

Speaker 3 In LA, it's $59,000

Speaker 3 for the key grip.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 how many grips average?

Speaker 2 I mean, 10.

Speaker 3 You can see why, you know, if your goal is to get your movie made, your goal is to get your movie made.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, we did a small movie, Buzz Boys, that Theo and I wrote, and we, I asked, said, can we do it in

Speaker 1 LA? And Theo was nice enough to say, because he's out in Nashville, spends a lot of time in Austin. And we were talking about Austin.
Then I said, is there any way we can do it here?

Speaker 1 I know it's just a drop in the bucket. It's a small movie, but just the idea we're doing it here.
And selfishly, I like it here, but it's also like, I can't, I got to practice what I preach.

Speaker 1 I got to try. Some movies are set other places, and it's hard to cheat.
But it's hard to cheat Hawaii if you're in LA, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 But we did it here and every single person in that crew is coming up going, I love that you guys are doing it here. I love it because we have nothing.
We just, it's everyone's scraping by.

Speaker 1 And I think we're not here to really complain and bitch about everything. We're just trying to say, people should just know about this.
And I don't even know the easy fix.

Speaker 1 There's no easy fix, but fuck, it's Hollywood.

Speaker 3 The other thing

Speaker 3 I would add is, we're going to be fine.

Speaker 3 Sure. We have the ability to go to different places and do things like that.
And we fight to keep it in LA.

Speaker 3 And sometimes we have weight to do it other times we don't and these subsidies don't go to the stars right they're not subsidizing you or me or there's they're what they are subsidizing are the working men and women that make this industry work and i i think that there can be a misconception it's like all these you know very famous actors are getting subsidized it's not us that's getting subsidized it's right it's the the the people that that need it the people who are getting yeah crushed i think 18 000 jobs have been lost in the last few years.

Speaker 2 We had the pandemic, and then we had sort of a recession, and we had the strikes. I don't

Speaker 2 have enough information to know the input of that, whether some of the studios said, okay, we get that. We'll just go to London, we'll go to Ireland.
So, it is very complex.

Speaker 2 But those are the people we're talking about who laid down roots in LA, have worked here for maybe multiple generations, and the work is really dried up.

Speaker 2 It's a severe recession in the interior of that business. I mean, studios have never been this actual physical studios, are just sitting there so um

Speaker 2 we you know we want to keep it and we want to do it in the smart way but i i if rob wants to run for mayor next time the cycle's up i'm you know karen bass is you know she's doing fine but i i think that i would i would support he hasn't read this bill so he'll fit right in

Speaker 2 great i'm i'm already half of it i haven't read what's in it but i like it

Speaker 1 i love it yeah i'm with you guys like the three of us don't get affected as much even busboys Boys, we funded ourselves, so it was a little more, but at that level, it wasn't that much more.

Speaker 1 But when you get these budgets that are,

Speaker 1 you know, 50 million, obviously, these movies are getting bigger and bigger and 50, 100 million.

Speaker 3 The sort of competitive threshold is 30%.

Speaker 3 You can get 30% of your budget

Speaker 2 back.

Speaker 2 It's that high. Wow.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 3 That's that's sort of

Speaker 3 the stand. That's that's you know, basically Atlanta, England, Hungary,

Speaker 3 Canada. And look, it fluctuates a little bit.
Sometimes it's a little bit less, sometimes a little bit more. My favorite is now is: hey, you're going to go shoot it in Toronto.

Speaker 3 And then you get to Toronto and they go, Well, actually, you're shooting it in Hamilton.

Speaker 2 That's not outside of Toronto. That's the new Toronto.

Speaker 3 There's no, Hamilton is the new Toronto because there's even more money to be picked off.

Speaker 3 You have more nickels, more nickels lying under the maples up there in Hamilton because you're 60 miles outside of Toronto. So even Toronto's not good enough now.
I mean,

Speaker 3 when the bean counters finally have their way with us, we literally will be shooting in space.

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Speaker 2 So in layman's terms, non-show business terms with that tax credit, say you're going to make a movie and your budget is $10 million and you go to one of these countries with this this tax break all of a sudden you have maybe 30 you have 15 million and in a sense to spend okay so that's right on actors on group and on housing i mean i i think um

Speaker 1 i forgot well the other thing also also what it does oh rob this is what i was going to say sorry yeah is that it the benefits are let's say you're doing it in boston we did grown-ups out there the benefits are there's a tax break for the city which they have to cover but all everybody comes to stay in their hotels.

Speaker 1 They make money. Everyone goes to eat every night.
They make money. You're going around the city.
You're buying groceries. Everything is being helped in that city.

Speaker 1 And that's the idea to get you there. And then you see the city.
Maybe you want to move there one day. So all that is a plus.
So that's kind of how they rationalize it.

Speaker 1 But here, we have so many facilities and so many ways to make a movie, make it really, really easy.

Speaker 1 And then it just starts to dry out. And I'm not going to say it's fully gone, but it is, it is a red alert.

Speaker 2 in distress. I mean, we, it is our tax base, it, it, it creates a lot of revenue, and it is global fame, it's a global attraction.

Speaker 3 Um, although I really, you know, I mean, the Hollywood side is still there, you know, but the ecosystem of it, you know, um, the car wash that goes out of business, the smaller restaurants, the catering companies that go out of bread,

Speaker 2 um, yeah, it trickles down

Speaker 3 that people don't really understand. They think Hollywood and they think stars.
And it really isn't about that. It truly isn't.
Because, like I said, we'll always get the phone call to go somewhere.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 my guy that does all the wardrobe for my show or who does, you know, does all the lighting, that phone is not ringing. And they got kids in school and it's brutal.

Speaker 2 It's brutal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So something will be done because it has to be done. And

Speaker 2 who could be listening to this podcast? Governor Newson, who can do something new.

Speaker 3 What are your analytics like on this podcast? Who, who's, who's listening? Who's in that? Like, could they give you that sample?

Speaker 2 Single women under 25. No, it's uh,

Speaker 2 we have a mature audience, people who

Speaker 2 vote and pay taxes.

Speaker 1 And you know, I'd say no, we have a we have a pretty older crowd, it's probably split down the middle, men and women. And uh,

Speaker 3 in all seriousness, since we're doing it, if you're listening to this in California and you're so inclined, uh

Speaker 3 pick up the phone and call your uh congressman uh it

Speaker 3 or more importantly it would be your state your state representative because right now it's a state issue so call your your state representative really it's seriously just email them drop them a line that that really moves the needle people always think oh well i'm just one person but you know they you know i was on i i was on a show called the west wing and i learned a little bit about politics and they have a metric it's probably changed in the 25 years but if one person phone calls they look at it mathematically that that means that is the way that at least 10 other people are feeling who didn't call

Speaker 1 makes sense yeah

Speaker 3 well what about the governor is that another is that a place to start too yeah it seems like it seems like he's on board with this now um but he's going to need the votes that's my understanding so i think we we i think the governor is on board it's but we're going to need the votes i've seen i like I said, I think there are people that don't want to help Hollywood, even in California.

Speaker 3 I mean, Hollywood does a great job sometimes of stepping in it and making us all look like buffoons. And sometimes it comes back upon us.

Speaker 3 And I think that there are people that don't want to throw a lifeline to what they consider Hollywood.

Speaker 2 Frivolous. Yeah, it has a bad image, doesn't it?

Speaker 3 Listen, you watch enough award shows and I can understand.

Speaker 2 These pampered, self-righteous, clueless mori. Ricky Gervais said it all at his famous

Speaker 2 and funniest moments you could ever see on a YouTube clip. I could never not love it.
Thank you, God, and fuck off. You know nothing.
You've been nowhere.

Speaker 2 You know nothing.

Speaker 3 You've seen nothing. People tell you what to say.
They tell you where to go. They tell you what to wear.
Don't tell us anything about anything.

Speaker 2 So get your little award. Thank you, God, and fuck off.

Speaker 2 Amazing. I love him.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe we'll let Rob go because he's very nice to jump on and talk to us.

Speaker 2 Rob, we miss you. Just quickly,

Speaker 2 anything else? I mean, you always have so much going on. Don't you do other another podcast? No, whatever.

Speaker 2 Literally seven things.

Speaker 3 Literally is going strong.

Speaker 3 I'm loving doing it.

Speaker 3 Get your podcast. I've started really paying attention to filming it like you guys do.

Speaker 3 Which is a bummer because now I have to make sure my toupee is.

Speaker 2 Oh, I mean, I meant my hair. What?

Speaker 3 I meant hair please i'll give you my guy

Speaker 2 you're the one who said the best hair in hollywood in history was who has it well i think i i thought it was richard gere but you said it was someone else something o'brien i think i don't know maybe i'm transposing different

Speaker 2 colin's hair is pretty good conan's hair on the oscars was amazing that's my hair that's my hair girl Oh, she did a great job on it.

Speaker 1 I like on one specific thing.

Speaker 2 He was great on the Oscars. Sometimes on his podcast, it's not his best day, but he's always great.
But he was great on the Oscars.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I love him. He's

Speaker 3 always have.

Speaker 1 You always have.

Speaker 1 Mine's not too bad a day. They get mad when I say I look up my hair.
But Dane and I were arguing that when you're in here, my face looks all

Speaker 1 bright from the goddamn light in my eyes. And then the hair.
But the hair's got a little flip to it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Rob has such good hair, he covers it up. He doesn't give a shit.
And I'm like, fuck, if I had that hair, I would never put a hat on again.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's, that's a great irony is,

Speaker 3 I've got good hair, but I do like my. Well, when the Dodgers win the World Series, I got a sport.

Speaker 1 They got a good chance, dude.

Speaker 2 They're pretty good.

Speaker 1 Didn't you have the hat that said NFL on it or something?

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 3 Just go teams.

Speaker 1 It's actually funny. Go teams.

Speaker 3 Go teams. I want everybody to win.

Speaker 1 We did one movie up in Toronto, but we were pretty much in Toronto. I did two in Toronto.

Speaker 2 It was a Tommy Boy story.

Speaker 1 Tommy Boy was in Toronto.

Speaker 3 And I'll tell you another thing. All of the Brat Pack movies you talk about, all of those, all John Hughes movies were in Chicago.

Speaker 3 They were in Chicago. Yes, there were tax breaks.
There's always been tax breaks. This is not a new thing.
No. It's just gotten way, way, way, way, way out of control.

Speaker 2 It's a global thing now.

Speaker 3 But there was a thing where everything shot in Chicago in the 80s.

Speaker 3 But it wasn't.

Speaker 3 for every one movie that shot in Chicago, there were still five or ten shooting shooting movies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a Chicago backdrop, too, to some of those Blues Brothers out there.

Speaker 3 Yeah. John Hughes is there.
He was there.

Speaker 2 I have one question before we let you go. Do you literally, no pun intended or whatever,

Speaker 2 does the show the floor take

Speaker 2 100 Americans and put them up in Dublin or where?

Speaker 2 So you import this audience.

Speaker 2 Obviously, they don't have Irish accents when they win or they come up.

Speaker 2 And that's still cheaper to bring 100 people and put them up?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 listen, Gordon Ramsey did all his master chef stuff was in Ireland for years.

Speaker 2 Some of it still is.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 you would be,

Speaker 3 I think, I think beat Shazam. I mean,

Speaker 3 it's a, it's, right now, they do it. First of all, they do it very, very well.
They know what they're doing. Sure.
They're top of their class. The experience is great.

Speaker 3 um and i love it but at the end of the day i you know i would like to you know keep our our industry alive if we could but at the end listen these companies have a fiduciary responsibility they're they're not in the charity business they never will be they never were

Speaker 3 and you know i i i get why they why they flee California. By the way, all business, well, all businesses, California makes it impossible.
Yeah. California makes it impossible.

Speaker 2 If you're a successful business, you're kind of

Speaker 2 sort of on the enemies list. They don't like that.
Yes, 100%.

Speaker 3 How do we squash it?

Speaker 2 I'll tell you what you do.

Speaker 3 Nobody changes until they're in enough pain.

Speaker 3 Whatever your thing is in your life, change is hard. A lot of times it requires tough choices.
Facing truths you don't want to face, whatever it is. And it takes being in enough pain to do it.

Speaker 3 Maybe our industry and California in particular is in enough pain to finally make some changes to what is unsustainable, absolutely unsustainable.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And just compete in the free market.
You know, we've got places to compete. Let's keep stacking the

Speaker 1 doing, we should do. Like, let's make it an even playing field.

Speaker 2 When Chuck Chaplin, when Chucky Chaplin

Speaker 2 came to LA and in the Hollywood Renaissance there, and Buster Keaton, they liked the weather. They liked, you know, I mean, those are romantic times, but we just have to compete.
And I know we can.

Speaker 2 and um

Speaker 2 i want to thank you both for being um on dana today this is a sub podcast we have now let's start the uh super fly thanks for being on david and kelly

Speaker 1 bud if you have no straw hats i got the message this is all about telling me no straw hats no

Speaker 1 the cane was really the bridge too far i mean they say hold it for one picture out of a thousand they only need one

Speaker 2 i literally was like i'll hold this for two seconds they're like we'll never use it we'll never use it if you were gonna be driving down the fox lot and you see that huge

Speaker 2 you're like hey is that jiminy cricket was that also a was there a chicken in the background nice try rob let's not make it worse than it was There was no chicken. I think there was a farm animal.

Speaker 1 I said no to the chicken, I think.

Speaker 3 I'm just saying, if you're listening to this podcast, please Google no doubt spade

Speaker 3 snake oil snake oil

Speaker 2 yeah yeah yeah lauren had a whole dip i'll give you that one i'll give you that

Speaker 3 oh it's a rap killer you know david the other thing is um barbershop quartet is a line that

Speaker 1 it doesn't scream comedy it sings it

Speaker 1 uh okay that's enough out of rob i'm now getting mad

Speaker 2 okay thanks

Speaker 2 Quite crazy, man.

Speaker 1 This has been a presentation of Odyssey Superfly as executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, Heather Santoro, and Greg Holtzman. Hope you liked it.