SUPERFLY #65 - Rob Lowe Talks Hollywood

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Hey, everybody.

Welcome to Superfly.

There's Dana and his Stark pad. Here's Spade and his pea soup green backdrop.
He keeps threatening to change, but he hasn't yet. I'm a minimalist.
I figured that out. I'm a minimalist.
I think as you go along and you get to buy things you like and you do things, you start to get that way. And that's what I'm starting to get.
You don't need a ton of things. I need elbow room.
You like your freedom. You like different things.
But once you have a car, you got some clothes. It's good for the economy.
You know, that's all I can say. If the whole country was me, we'd be in a deep depression.
Oh, yeah. I'm out there.
I do throw some back into the econ, but I try not to get too pushy about it. This is literally not the word I'm looking for.
You were pretty close and it was kind of clear. You don't want to say, hey, I got some beans in my jeans, even though I'm showing off a teal pullover today.
Do you want to mention the maker of the said sweater so that you may get a free one in the mail? I don't think I know. I know it's teal and I know it's for real.
And I know I saw a basketball by Shaquille O'Neal. Even after a big meal, I'm not made of steel, but this is for real with teal.
Dude, we just lost a thousand viewers. It's a big deal.
They haven't even gotten focused yet. We're on in the background.
They're flipping a smash. Dude, don't squeal.
So dumb. I'm going to adjust my camera.
Yeah. So here we are.
We made it to another Superfly. Everyone's stoked.
We do have a guest later. But right now, I want to hear about anything that happened in the last week of note.
And it better be of note. Should we tease? Tease the guests? No.
No, go ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, can you do a drum roll sometime? Ladies and gentlemen, in a little bit, we're going to have our good buddy, the one and only, really, the hardest working man in show business.

Been with us, America, been a star for a long time.

Still looks like he's a high school senior, Rob Lowe.

Rob Lowe, Brett Pack.

Rob Lowe, Brett Pack.

But first, Dana. I had an observation.
Oh, good. Okay.
So what do you do? Like there's this really nice guy at this place I go to for breakfast and stuff. And he's one of those people that really likes to laugh.
So he'll say something, but it's just perfunctory information, but he'll laugh like

as if it's a joke. And am I supposed to laugh? Like, like I walk in and he goes, Hey pal, normally you come earlier.
That's awesome. I'm like, and then we're leaving.
He goes, You know

You should adopt me

What the fuck

I mean he's the greatest guy with an incredible sense of humor, but it's just informational. I want to give him a joke or something.
I know. I think the problem is we're comedians.
And the same pilot that said when I got on, he saw me and then he goes, Hey, we got our seven 37 on the last figure. Hope our door doesn't fly off.

You can't do jokes like that just for me because everyone goes, what the fuck?

You know, it's not funny to some people. And then when I'm also ordering,

and if you're a comedian, anything you say, you go, do you guys have eggs here?

Before 10, they go, yeah. What? Just, you mean, yeah, just, yes, it's fine.
He just likes to laugh. I think it's very sweet, but I, um, yeah, I like that he's laughing and everything.
That's like, you know, right. LOL, but after what they say.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's sweet, but I feel like I want to to give my like my joke with him is like hey where where's bob because you can't be him because you must be his younger brother you know you look so much younger um than i when i saw you last time it wasn't my best joke but at least it was somewhat humorous yeah you're at least some reason to laugh like a cue line like Here we go.
Yeah, I know. It's awkward sometimes, but it's still, it's at least some reason to laugh, like a cue line.
Like, here we go.

Yeah, I know.

It's awkward sometimes, but it's still, it's fun.

Sometimes like people text and they go, hey, like I get in a fender bender with a guy and he's like, hey, I guess I should get your insurance, LOL.

And I'm like, yeah.

And he goes, you weren't hurt at all, were you, LOL?

I'm like, I don't know where we're going to stop joking and it's serious. I don't know what's going on.
You can't put LOL on everything. Well, laugh out loud used to be a big bar.
Laugh out loud funny before these little memes came in. So most of the things are slightly humorous.
We got it. We've got to come up with something.
I guess S-H, slightly humorous. That doesn't have a thing.
M-H, minimally humorous. Minimally humorous.
Or K-F would be good, kind of funny. Not a put down, but not a compliment.
But laugh out loud. A-N, almost nothing.
I mean, almost no reaction. By the way, no one's making reactions.
They're just saying they bother putting R-O-M-L-L roll on the floor laughing my fucking ass. I go, you don't have to go through all those histronics to tell me you're not even laughing at all.
Well, I don't know. Where were you? Do you remember the first time you realized you could add these little hearts or little pictures or little dog or the first moment you said, hey, wait a minute, I can take this just English language print with all this stuff.
I used to put like 50 in there. For my age, I spent way too much of a part of my day looking for emojis.
That's what they're called, emojis. Emojis.
I put R-O-L, I put roll on floor falling on ground, lit on fire with a bear trap on my nuts. That's how hard I left.
Did you just make that up? Yeah. That's pretty good.
Not bad, right? Usually, I think your ad-libs are kind of pre-planned. You don't have to hold a little card up.
Heather's holding a note. She scribbles a joke and holds it up.
Yeah, just got little cute cards. Read it.
Yeah, but that was actually pretty good. Yeah, I'm always looking for where's the parachute? Where's the fucking big rock? Where's the ball of yarn? The shit I send people are like, you put all your work into this stupid fucking time.
It's always funny to say, what's up, fuck face? You know? That's funny. Just always good, you know? I like that.
That that's good my pronouns are um what's up motherfucker those are your pronouns yeah that's my pronouns i put my pronouns are and i put yarn and then the fucking alien guy let's be honest your pronoun is teal sweater Dude, everyone's buzzing about this sweater. Callback.
Yeah.

It's be honest. Your pronoun is teal sweater.
Dude, everyone's buzzing about this. Callback.
Yeah. It's pretty sweet, but I don't want to overdo it.
I don't want to hear it in the comments. I'll block you, by the way.
I'll block the shit out of you. I don't take.
Have you ever read the comments and then realized the next morning, damn, I cried myself to sleep last night? Yeah. I think we overall, I figure that people watch him and do comments as it's going.

Cause it's,

as the show goes on,

it's now it's new subjects.

They're just sitting there.

Yeah.

They're just like,

Hmm.

Kind of funny.

Nah,

don't care for that one.

And then they're like,

teal actually isn't a color of the rainbow.

I'm just glad they're engaging.'s the thing you know I guess it's good yeah it is fun to hear the thoughts because I'll read the thoughts but if they get too out of control and too rough then you gotta because people go why would you block me I go well I'm here to have fun I don't need someone saying something horribly crazily negative and threatening or something you go obviously i'll block you i assume as two high school kids let's get the tommy boy in the waynes world guy man he goes shut up man i'm typing just shut up tell literally anyone i dm that and i get pissed off if i really can't take it they're like oh my God, I'm the biggest fan in the world. Are you though? And that's what you chose to write.
That's what you picked. And you thought that would fly.
Have you ever posted something critical? No. Online of- No, because I'm sane.
An article, YouTube, yeah. No, I could imagine saying i disagree or i don't know what you're doing but i wouldn't say anything where it would be so rough this guy in michigan was writing me saying i'm gonna bust every bone you're by the baseball he was like literally threatening to kill me over and over and i just wanted to i should have posted it just to say because he's in a band and I wanted to say, hey, this is, I've just posted this to show your friends.
This is what you do in between band breaks. You've got a psycho behind you on the drums because he's writing all this shit.
Then he's like, then you see his pictures. He's at practice.
I'm like, quit acting like you're a nice guy, Fish's usually like a wedding or something the girls that send me the dirtiest ones you just go to their page and send them at their wedding a week ago i go i just the anonymity hey look at that word you know do whatever you want i mean i i feel less alone i get inspired by the comments if I'm watching a Beatle thing because, you know, I'm kind of a fanatic. And that's like John Lennon's in my life or whatever it is.
And then the comments are just like, I thought I was the only one. They're just like, oh, this band is a miracle.
Oh, yeah, I like that. By the way, I swear to God, and it sounds like I'm lying'm lying i was going to dinner we talked about the beatles so much i thought i've never asked dana because you like so many beatles songs if you had to love in my life in my life but we never mention it but it's a great one is it lennon places i remember yeah it was in an old jody foster movie i think and i remember hearing it going it's it's a you know the silliness is that john lennon is like 25 you know and it's about his life he's just a kid yeah um and you know obviously it's the melody and the lyric now that is the one beetle song or there might be just a couple where paul and john remembered it differently so paul remembers you know there's the middle eight lovers and friends i went before I love you more So Paul

Feels like he was

A big contributor or an important contributor. It's very Lennon.
You know that that first part is so Lennon. You know.
I don't. There are places I remember, you know, just.
But that's one. We're going to haveul back on oh yeah we're gonna ask paul to come

back on i want to get ringo on too because when they came out of the gate after the beatles i don't think it was john or paul that had the first hit was it i thought ringo sort of came out big and no one expected it and so did george harrison is that true no okay but there they were Thank God it wasn't Paul I was saying this bullshit to.

I just remember that Ringo, I think, would have been the one they wouldn't have expected a ton from. And then he had Photograph, which is a fucking killer.
Oh, that was in the 70s. Ringo had Ringo, a true star, I think it was called.
And only 16. Big hit albums for sure.
But back at the beginning, they had Pete Best and they had to let him go. And Ringo always was a fan of theirs.
Like in Hamburg, Ringo is with Rory and the Hurricanes. And he would hang out at the club.
Brought someone from the fan club in? He just liked them. And Paul and John would bring the songs to Ringo and George Harrison in the early days.
It goes like this, goes like this. And then Ringo's genius was picking the perfect drum thing to that song.
Dom, Dom. They were like me brothers.
They were like me brothers. Peace and love, me brothers.
Who had the first hit after the... He got balloons.
Who had the first hit when the Beatles broke up? Go. Obviously, I don't know.
The first mega hit was, I think- Band on the Run? No, George Harrison's All Things Must Pass. His double album is still the number one selling post-Beatle album.
Oh, really? And he had a hit by My Sweet Lord. Oh, that was a fucking killer yeah mccartney did had massive hits and ringo and john i mean if you you look at dream number nine and imagine and uh watching the wheels you know lennon had his stuff you know i love that song i'm just sitting there watching the wheels go round and round no but gervitz took me took me to see Beatles.
Not Beatles, but McCartney and Wings, Killer. Hey, I'm sorry.
Am I rich? We're sitting up close. I'm sorry.
Are these good seats? Must have been the Wings. Wings broke up in the 80s, I think, as a band.
But the latest incarnation of Paul McCartney's. Really? I couldn't have seen Wings at the beginning? I thought, this is where people in the comments, I thought Paul McCartney and Wings was, it was this band that has a name of a band.
But, you know. Well, I would have been, I can't even say these numbers, it's too embarrassing.
But, okay, let's do a few stories and then I'll leave. Should I do any stories? Yeah.
Oh no, we got to do, um, should we just bring out our guests and, and stand it there? Yeah. And just so that, just so people know, and more of a tease, don't, don't do the laundry right now.
Oh, I don't do the laundry right now. We're just going to discuss a little bit, the recession that's happening for all the different people who work in Hollywood, not the movie stars.

And so Rob's very, he has some insight into that.

He does his hit game show in Ireland for a reason.

It's much, you know, you listen to the podcast.

Yeah.

And I'm going to ask him a real question.

Is Bulgaria a real place?

Because I always hear that country and I, gun to my head, I couldn't find it on a map. Dana, I'm a little bit of a spendy Susie.
A boozy Susie and a spendy Susie. Yeah, I'm more of a boozy Susie, but yeah, you are, you are a spendy spender.
Yeah. And a lot of our listeners are nice enough to write in and say, you look like you drank a lot and slept on your face.
But that's just constructive criticism. Well, it's very concise and you don't really drink very much.
I'll tell the fans. Just puffy.
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I mean, let's, you know, Rob Lowe literally. Rob Lowe literally, which is in season 11.
Oh, yeah. We also have the same manager.
We always talk about Gervitz. Got to get the money.
Rob Lowe likes money. You don't like money.
I was just on the phone with him. I said, I got to go, you know, go help team Gervitz with the two star clients.
You know, I didn't call me right back you are the star you're

the star client because you're you're a hard worker we like to take naps and take months off

at a time you actually work i i i what is it he goes rob low he always made money for his partners

likes money yeah roblo he always tells me i could tell rob low and he'd say yes right now

you don't like to do anything he you hate money yeah i guess you just don't like money

Thank you. yeah Rob Lowe he always tells me I could tell Rob Lowe and he'd say yes right now you don't like to do anything he you hate money yeah I guess you just don't like money just like it Rob I just did a thing I ran into Shaquille O'Neal and he goes I don't know if I like that sweater you got on I go this is teal man it's for real and uh and teal's a very expensive color trick him.
And, uh, he goes, man, you walk around trying to look like Rob Lowe.

Why would way for real?

Oh, that's so, isn't that funny?

The last thing I saw Robbie's running on the beach with his shirt off.

Cause of course I go on daily mail cause I'm addicted to the,

to the madness. And it's not, you don't look average.
You don't look normal. No.
You look, you're looking good. He goes that Tom Cruise, like whatever that is.
Tom Cruise, I love Tom Cruise. The guy's brilliant, but he doesn't take his shirt off anymore.
Does he in movies? No, because he's smart. I took a lot of shit.
I was like, you did? Really? God damn it. I said, frame it correctly.
There's a certain level with which the framing reveals that I'm in my third trimester. Yeah.
That I'm, you know. Of life or your pregnancy? Of my donut belly.
You were coming right at the camera. Side angles are the worst.
You can look in the mirror and look at yourself and go, damn. Then go side angle.
Whoops. That's where all the sins are.
You know, Tom Cruise runs with his hands straight up and down like this for less wind resistance.

In case he has to cry.

And he usually runs for about roughly 15 to 20 minutes through every movie in a full sprint every take. Yep.
I'm like, dude. Okay, well, I want to ask Rob.
He knows his way around the movie business. And I have a question for Rob.
Because I would say if I i ran into tom i'd say the most impressive thing

if it's real is not hanging off the airplane it's sprinting with that kind of authority at 60 something because the hip flexors so do you think they do slightly speed it up a little bit no um i was tom and i i think both i think i could be wrong but i think we both initially learned to run from emilio estevez's running coach there's a guy named like how you're the only one that calls him Estevez. Was this for the Outsiders? What movie was that? It would have been post-Outsiders and it was a guy named Milan Tiff and he won the triple jump.
Okay. He was in the 1968, famous 1968 American Olympic team.
Next city where he went 29-2. Bob Beaman set the record.
I guess the triple jump may also have been a world record or close. Yeah.
I'm not sure if he won there, but he was on that team. And anyway, we were all training with Milan and he was a big, the hand thing was the big thing.
And then you also make it a flap, by the way. There's this.
And then you make it a little flap. You flap down? Yeah.
Holy shit. A little dolphin move.
Hey, what about this Breakfast Club reunion? Why don't you guys have an Outsiders reunion? Well, we're doing St. Elmo's Fire Part 2.
We are going to do that. What? What? Uh-oh.
We just trended. Thank you.
Thank you, Rob. Thank you.
No, you are St. Elmer's Fudd.
St. Elmer's Fudd.
And everyone's coming back for this? Everybody's coming back. I mean, we got to get the script right.
I mean, you know, we've all been there for that one. Have you got a draft that you read and said? No.
No draft yet. It's due were never really a brat pack guy per se right because you had too many other things going on i don't yeah i don't consider you part of it but you crossed over with it or were you i mean i think i i i mean i know this that i'm i'm on the cover of that new york magazine article that coined the brat pack Okay, so then you were part of the Brat Pack.
Oh, yeah. As much as I would like to deny it.
I think it's cool. Totally.
A name. It's great.
Those are great movies. John Hughes movies.
Great movies. Hookie name for your club Mare Winningham Ally Sheedy She's a great actress I know it all You know who's in the St.
Elmer's Fudd Now that's good but did you see this breakfast club? That was kind of cool It was great, it was so cool to see them on stage I haven't been able to see or find the entirety of the interview. I've only seen the clips, but it was super, super sweet to see everybody together and hear them talk about the movie.
It's a clips world. Which one of those, if any, have blocked you? Go ahead.
All of them. Anthony Michael Hall has blocked you.
That I find. He is a nice dude.
I signed with the 50th. He is a very nice dude.
Did you have him on literally? We had him on Fly. I did.
He was great. Fly.
He was, he was great. He, and, um.
Charming, smart. Yep.
Yeah. Great actor.
Always was a great actor. He's amazing in that movie.
Breakfast Club for me is the best of That moment in time That movie holds up Very cool idea After that diegeist of the 80s perfectly And that was the one Teacher Paul Gleason was great Amazing Grab some wood bub Why they don't make movies like that anymore. They don't like it.

It's all dog shit.

How about they don't?

How do you like that?

I'll sign you up for a movie like that.

You want to do a movie?

Sorry, go back into Gervitz.

All right.

Now, Rob, we were going to talk to you a little bit about the state of the state because nothing

too heavy because we're all a bunch of idiots.

We literally don't know nothing. Well, it started with his comment about the floor it's hard to interject but that was interesting yeah right yeah floor is shot on mars with the space origin it's easier for us to shoot on the outer rings of mars no shit than it is in terms of that that's less cost prohibitive than shooting it in los angeles um you know i will tell you this rob just to for sure interrupt you yes well i did a game show which those game shows are kind of interesting because they can always come back snake out snake eyes snowy coil don't no don't do that uh snake oil and uh you know David, the thing is, you need to be careful when you wear a hat on the one sheet.
Is that a Lorne thing? It should be, because it's true. I saw you in the straw hat boater, and I thought...
Oh, that's right. I had a straw hat going to snake oil.
Riverboat gambler, maybe. I don't know.
You know, it's the hat and cane thing. It's very stubby K.
It's very early Minnie Mouse. It's fine if you're Hugh Jackman and you're in The Music Man.
But if you're... This is your best, Lauren.
I haven't heard you do it in a while. This is a good one.
He's admonishing me for my poster. Yeah.
But the fit out Hugh Jackman was, that's where, because it fits Lauren's rhythm to Hugh Jackman. Unless you're tap dancing.
Hugh Jackman. But I think what you'll find is you're not.
You don't want to be Clue Gallagher before 1960. So only Rob knows who Clue Gallagher is.
I do not know who that is. I like the idea.
Clue Gallagher. How does Tarantino do it? He gets these guys from nowhere, puts Clue Gallagher in what, I don't know if it was Once Upon a Time or whatever, but anyway.
Once Upon a Time. My story was before I so rudely, rudely made fun of.
David, it's your turn. It's not really any story.
It's kind of like Rob's. The funny thing about that was we met one night to talk about doing the game show.
First of all, these guys are all great, except Fox. And then they said, you know, we talked about what it would be.
And it's sort of kind of interesting idea. And they go, we do it in LA, which is not that hard.
And I was like, great. So the next day we go to make the deal and Gervis goes, okay, here's the deal points and you shoot it in Ireland.
I go, wait, this wasn't even 24 hours later, Mark. It's a bit, I already even moved to Ireland.
So the joke was, you're hoping Tarzana. Like what Rob said is that they just said, well, it's cheaper.

And the bigger picture here is I get a lot of complaints and a lot of concerns. Of course, we've got a lot of talented makeup people here.
We've got a lot of union guys. Why aren't we doing more here? And it's really a big problem that everyone kind of skim jobs over, but it's a problem.
And people are leaving town. This is what I'm here for.
I've been able to a number of times say if i'm doing it i'm going to do it only in la i did that with 9-1-1 lone star that was going to move to um it was going to be in where it took place in texas it was going to be in austin and i was able to keep that production that's real five seasons right five seasons i was i turned down an amazing um series that was going to shoot in new york i asked them to move that to la and they couldn't do it so they just didn't make it at all um and because i have we know those people that make the you make the make the movie business work the technicians the grips the the electrics the drivers the caterers um make all moves here for one reason everyone's here because it's hollywood it's tinseltown and we're losing that and we can't just have high taxes and crime you gotta have something to offset it and it's like oh it's hollywood we make movies we got to be here and it's hard to keep arguing that when they keep going and we got to make it incentivize it right and listen it's not like california is gun shy about throwing money at people no shit i like what my favorite is the where they draw the line here. Exactly.
We'll throw money at every. No shit.
My favorite is the way they draw the line here.

Exactly.

We'll throw money at every class of person that's ever been invented.

But when it comes to the people that make Hollywood go,

that's the most famous thing about the country,

I think they're going to have to prove their power. Right.

Here's $20 billion for homeless.

Actually, we lost, but it's somewhere.

And then they go, Hollywood, you're going to get $750 million. Aren't you excited? I'm like, for the whole fuck, we can't have a B in front of it.
Nothing. That's like four shows.
You do one avatar, that's 400 million. Well, and also you don't know if you're going to get it.
That's the other thing. That's really the other thing because you can't even, what are you going to do to go into casting pre-production,

all of that stuff,

hoping you literally,

hoping you literally actually win the lottery.

And it is,

it's a lottery.

Yes.

It's,

it's been,

it's bananas.

It's like,

I mean,

look,

Hey,

don't get me started on the state of the state.

This is the idea.

There is one metric that,

that is a little, a sidestep. I i read about that the cost of living in la you know for all the people we're talking about a basic home is about a million bucks in los angeles county i believe that and so that's another driver of people kind of going i don't know if actually all these people who make movies the grips the cruise everything whether they're moving out of state because well there's more production in atlanta so i'll just i'll step outside that thing but uh austin it has to be a cause to live but it'd have to be someone taking it on and funding it that we have to at least match the incentives sure which there is a bill and the state is yeah even if it's a push yeah there's a

bill there's a bill now um that apparently is going to be really really helpful my understanding

of it and i haven't i haven't read the bill itself but my understanding of it is that

it would make california at least on par with new york yeah new york does more than us right

right now oh god yeah because i never hear any i hear boston a lot i hear new orleans i hear

or New York does more than us, right? Right now? Oh, God, yeah. Because I never hear any, I hear Boston a lot.

I hear New Orleans.

I hear Boston.

There's a lot where they're making it very easy.

And then there's also things like this is where, you know,

there's enough blame to go around equally.

And look, I'm, I'm a believer.

The IAPSE crew are the greatest artisans and technicians in the world. But the unions, I think, also have to come to play ball.
I just saw a study of a movie that was, granted, I don't know how long the shooting schedule would have been for, because that would affect the number. but their number for their grip department, which for those of you who don't know, the grips are the people that build the sets,

move the wall. would have been for because that would affect the number, but their number for their grip department,

which for those of you who don't know,

the grips are the people that build the sets,

move the walls, do all the construction.

The budget was $59,000 for run of the movie in Hungary.

In LA, it's $59,000 for the key grip.

And how many grips average? I mean, 10, 12. You can see why, you know, if your goal is to get your movie made, your goal is to get your movie made.
Right. Yeah.
We did a small movie, Busboys, that Theo and I wrote. And I asked, can we do it in LA? And Theo was nice enough to say, because he's out in Nashville, spends a lot of time in Austin.
And we were talking about Austin. And I said, is there any way we can do it here? I know it's just a drop in the bucket.
It's a small movie, but just the idea we're doing it here. And selfishly, I like it here, but it's also like, I got to practice what gotta practice what i preach i gotta try some movies are set other places and it's hard to cheat but uh it's hard to cheat hawaii if you're in la you know whatever but we did it here and every single person that crew is coming up going i love that you guys are doing it here i love because we have nothing we just it's everyone's scraping by and i think we're not here to really complain and bitch about everything we're just trying to say people should just know about this and i don't even know the easy fix there's no easy fix but fuck it's hollywood the other thing i would add i would add is we're going to be fine we you know it's sure we have the ability to go to different places and do things like that and we fight to keep it in la And sometimes we have the weight to do it.
Other times we don't. And these subsidies don't go to the stars.
They're not subsidizing you or me. What they are subsidizing are the working men and women that make this industry work.
And I think that there can be a misconception. It's like, oh, these very famous actors are getting subsidized.
It's not us that are getting subsidized. It's the people that need it.
The people are getting crushed. I think 18,000 jobs have been lost in the last few years.
We had the pandemic and then we had sort of a recession and we had the strikes and I don't have enough information. The input of that, whether some of the studios said, okay, we get that.
We'll just go to London. We'll go to Ireland.
So it is very complex. But those are the people we're talking about who laid down roots in LA, have worked here for maybe multiple generations.
And the work is really dried up. It's a severe recession in the interior of that business.
I mean, studios have never been this actual physical. Studios are just sitting there.

So we want to keep it and we want to do it in a smart way. But if Rob wants to run for mayor next time, the cycle's up.

You know, Karen Bass, she's doing fine.

But I think that I would support.

He hasn't read this bill, so it'll fit right in. Great.
I'm already half of it. I haven't read what's in it, but I like it.
I love it. Yeah, I'm with you guys.
The three of us don't get affected as much. Even Buzzboys, we funded ourselves, so it was a little more.
But at that level, it wasn't that much more. But when you get these budgets that are $50 million, obviously these movies are getting bigger and bigger and 50 100 million the sort of competitive threshold is 30 percent you can get 30 percent of your book back it's that high wow yes yes that's that's sort of the stand that's that's you know, basically Atlanta, England, Hungary, Canada.
And look, it fluctuates a little bit. Sometimes it's a little bit less.
Sometimes it's a little bit more. My favorite is now is, hey, you're going to go shoot it in Toronto.
And then you get to Toronto and they go, well, actually, you're shooting it in Hamilton. That's not outside of Toronto.
That's the new Toronto.

There's no,

Hamilton is the new Toronto because there's even more money to be picked.

Oh,

how far is that?

More nickels lying under the maples up there in Hamilton because you're 60 miles outside of Toronto.

So even Toronto is not good enough now.

I mean,

the bean counters finally have their way with us.

We literally will be shooting

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Enter promo code SPOTIFY. So in layman's terms, non-show business terms with that tax credit, say you're going to make a movie and your budget is $10 million and and you go to the, one of these countries with this is tax break.
All of a sudden you have maybe 30, you have 15 million in a sense to spend. Okay.
So that's right on actors on grid and on housing. I mean, I think I forgot.
Well, the other, also, also what it does. Oh, Rob, this is what I was going to say.
Sorry. Yeah say, sorry.
Is that the benefits are, let's say you're doing it in Boston, we did grownups out there. The benefits are there's a tax break for the city, which they have to cover, but everybody comes to stay in their hotels.
They make money. Everyone goes to eat every night.
They make money. You're going around the city.
You're buying groceries. Everything is being helped in that city.
And that's the idea to get you there. And then you see the city.
Maybe you want to move there one day. So all that is a plus.
So that's kind of how they rationalize it. But here we have so many facilities and so many ways to make a movie, make it really, really easy.
And then it just starts to dry out. And I'm not going to say it's fully gone, but it is a red alert.
Just in distress. I mean, it is our tax base.
It creates a lot of revenue and it is global fame. It's a global attraction.
Although, I mean, the Hollywood side is still there. But the ecosystem of it, the car wash that goes out of business, the smaller restaurants, the catering companies that go out.
Caterings for sure. It's everywhere.
It trickles down. Drivers.
That people don't really understand. They, they think Hollywood and they think stars.
And it really isn't about that. It truly isn't.
Cause like I said, we'll always get the phone call to somewhere but you know my uh my my guy that does all the wardrobe for my show or who does uh you know does all the lighting yeah that phone is not ringing and they got kids in school and it's brutal it's brutal yeah so something will be done because it has to be done and uh oh who could who could be? Governor Newsom. Who can do something? What are your analytics like on this podcast? Who's listening? Who's in that sample? Single women under 25.
No, it's we have a mature audience. People who vote and pay taxes and, you know, I'd say.
We have a pretty older crowd. It's probably split down the middle, men and women.
It wouldn't hurt, in all seriousness, since we're doing it, if you're listening to this in California and you're so inclined, pick up the phone and call your congressman. Or more importantly, it would be your state representative, because right now it's a state issue.
So call your state representative, really. Seriously, just email them, drop them a line.
That really moves the needle. People always think, oh, I'm just one person.
But you know, I was on a show called The West Wing, and I learned a little bit about politics. And they have a metric.
It's probably changed in the 25 years.

But if one person calls, they look at it mathematically, that means that is the way that at least 10 other people are feeling who didn't call.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

Well, what about the governor?

Is that a place to start, too?

Yeah.

It seems like he's on board with this now, but he's going to need the votes. That's my understanding.
So I think we, I think the governor is on board, but we're going to need the votes. I've seen, like I said, I think there are people that don't want to help Hollywood, even in California.
I mean, Hollywood does a great job sometimes of stepping in it and making us all look like buffoons. And sometimes it comes back to haunt us.
And I think that there are people that don't want to throw a lifeline to what they consider Hollywood. Frivolous.
Yeah, it has a bad image, doesn't it, dude? Listen, you watch enough award shows and I can understand. These pampered, self-righteous, clueless morons.
Ricky Gervais said it all at the his famous oh my god one of the great and funniest moments you could ever see on a youtube clip i could never not love it thank you god and fuck off you know nothing you've been nowhere you know nothing you've seen nothing you people tell you what to say they tell you where to go They tell you what to wear. Don't tell us anything about anything.
So get your little award, thank you, God, and fuck off. Amazing.
I love him. Well, maybe we'll let Rob go because it's very nice to jump on and talk to us.
Rob, we miss you. Just quickly, anything else? I mean, you always have so much going on.
Don't you other another podcast no whatever literally is is going strong um i'm loving doing it get it wherever you get your podcast i started really paying attention to filming it like you guys do um which is a bummer because now i have to make sure my toupee is oh i mean I mean, I met my hair. I'll give you my guy.
You're the one who said the best hair in Hollywood in history. Who has it? Well, I think I, I thought it was Richard gear, but you said it was someone else.
Something O'Brien. I think, I don't know.
Maybe I'm transposing different. Conan's hair is pretty fucking good.
Conan's hair on the Oscars was amazing. That's my hair.
That's my hair girl. Oh, she did a great job on it.
I like on one specific thing. He was great on the Oscars.
Sometimes on his podcast, it's not his best day, but he's always great. But he was great on the Oscars.
Yeah, I love him. He's going to do it.
You always have. Look at mine's not too bad today.
They get mad when I say I look at my hair, but Dane and I were arguing that when you're in here, my face looks all bright from the goddamn light in my eyes, but the hair's got a little flip to it. Rob has such good hair, he covers it up.
He doesn't give a shit. I'm like, fuck, if I had that hair, I would never put a hat on again.
I know that's,

that's a great irony is,

is I,

I've got good hair,

but I do like my,

well,

when the Dodgers win the world series,

I got a sport.

They got a good,

they got a good chance.

They're,

they're pretty good.

Didn't you have the,

the hat that said NFL or something?

Just go teams.

It's actually funny.

Go teams.

Go teams.

I want everybody to win. We did a, we did one movie up in Toronto, but we were pretty much in Toronto.
I did two in Toronto. It was a Tommy boy story.
Tommy boy was in Toronto. And I'll tell you another thing.
All of the Brat Pack movies you talk about, all of those, all John Hughes movies were in Chicago. That was cool.
They were in Chicago. Yes.
There were tax tax breaks there's always been tax breaks this is not a new thing no it's gotten way way way way way out of control yeah global thing now but there was a thing where everybody everything shot in chicago for in the 80s um but it wasn't it for every one movie that shot in chicago there were still five or 10 shooting. Yeah.
And there's a Chicago backdrop too, to some of those blues brothers out there. Yeah.
John Hughes is there. He was.
Yeah. I have one question before we let you go.
Do you literally, no pun intended or whatever, does the show, the floor take a hundred Americans and put them up in dublin or where so you import this audience they don't have irish accents when they win or they come up and that's still cheaper to bring a hundred people on and put them up uh yes and um and listen gordon Ramsey did all his master chef stuff was in Ireland for years.

Some of it still is, but, um, you would be, uh, I think, I think beat Shazam. I mean, it's, it's, it's right now they do it.
First of all, they do it very, very well. They know what they're doing.
Sure. Top of their class.
The experience is great. And I love it.
But at the end of the day, I, you know, I would like to, you know, keep our, our industry alive if we could, but at the end, listen, these companies have a fiduciary responsibility. They're, they're not in the charity business.
They never will be. They never were.
And, you know, I get why they flee California. By the way, all businesses.
California makes it impossible. California makes it impossible.
If you're a successful business, you're kind of chasing people away. You're sort of on the enemy's list.
They don't like that. Yes, 100%.
How do we squash it? I'll tell you what you do. Nobody changes until they're in enough pain.
Right. Whatever your thing is in your life, change is hard.
A lot of times it requires tough choices, facing truths you don't want to face, whatever it is. And it takes being in enough pain to do it.
maybe our industry and California in particular is in enough pain to finally make some changes to what is unsustainable. Absolutely unsustainable.
Absolutely. And just compete in the free market.
You know, we've got places to compete. Let's keep stacking the things.
Whatever they're doing, we should do. Like, let's make an even playing field.
When Chuck Chaplin, when Chucky Chaplin came to LA and in the Hollywood Renaissance there and Buster Keaton, they liked the weather. I mean, those are romantic times, but we just have to compete.
I know we can. And I want to thank you both for being on Dana today.
This is a sub-podcast we have. Now let's start the super fly.
Thanks for being on David and Kelly. Thanks Rob.
Great to see you, bud. If you have no straw hats, I got the message.
This is all about telling me no straw hats. No, the cane was really the bridge too far.
I mean, they say, hold it for one picture out of a thousand. They only need one.
I literally was like, I'll hold this for two seconds. They're like, we'll never use it.
We'll never use it. And you're driving down the Fox lot and you see that huge.
You're like, hey, is that Jiminy Cricket? Was there a chicken in the background? Nice try, try Rob let's not make it worse than it was there was no chicken I think there was a farm animal I said no to the chicken I think I'm just saying if you're listening to this podcast please Google no no spade snake oil yeah yeah yeah Lauren had a whole dinner I'll give you that one I'll give you that one. I'll give you that.
Oh, it's a killer. You know, David, the other thing is, um, barbershop quartet is a line that it doesn't scream comedy.
It sings it. Uh, okay.
That's enough out of Rob. I'm now getting mad.

Okay, thanks, bud. Do whatever you're going to do.

Fly crazy, man.

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