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Speaker 3 David, our guest today, this was so, it was, you're going to have a good time, people.

Speaker 3 Brett Goldstein, most famously known as Roy Kent, the gruff alpha male on Ted Lasso, which you got two Emmy Awards for.

Speaker 1 Yes, it was good to talk to another gruff alpha male for me.

Speaker 1 It was nice.

Speaker 1 This dude has done everything

Speaker 1 from England.

Speaker 1 He has done Doctor Who.

Speaker 1 He has done Derek. I think Derek is the one with Ricky Zero.

Speaker 1 And then, as of late, he's filming right now rom-com with J-Lo,

Speaker 1 which he wrote with a friend of his. And he's doing Shrinking

Speaker 1 with Harrison Ford, Jason Siegel, you know, so just non-stop. He has a deal with, we can go on and on.

Speaker 3 Warner has a stand-up special. He writes and produces all these shows, and then he's in them and stuff.
He'll tell us an interesting story about how he got cast.

Speaker 1 Yes, we made him do that story and he was gracious.

Speaker 1 He's actually talking to us on his break from the movie on a weekend, which was very generous of him. And

Speaker 1 I had a good some good laughs with him. Obviously, he's a comedian, so we cracked up, but we

Speaker 1 dissected the comedy special like we always do, and his, which is coming out soon. What is it called, Dana?

Speaker 3 His comedy special? Oh, that's called The Second Best Night of Your Life. That's right.

Speaker 1 It's a cool name.

Speaker 2 HBO.

Speaker 1 HBO coming out.

Speaker 3 He's a very curious person

Speaker 3 as a writer.

Speaker 3 So he asked us a lot of questions. So

Speaker 2 we did. So bear with that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was kind of curious about our situation. He has a podcast called Films to be Buried With as well.

Speaker 3 that's out there. So yeah, he's super busy, highly successful, and completely humble.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of fun and very humble. And asked us questions, so don't get mad about that because I know it was it, but it's fun if they're interested.
And we had a great three-way chat.

Speaker 1 It was like being at dinner. And here he is.

Speaker 2 Guys, how are you?

Speaker 1 How are you? Nice. Somebody looks like their picture.

Speaker 3 Nice to see you again. Of course, you remember when you met me.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 You do?

Speaker 2 I remember both. Well, I've never, I haven't had a long chat with either of you, and I'm a big fan, but I've introduced David on stage.
Oh, yeah. Interesting.

Speaker 1 I remember that. I told Dana that.

Speaker 3 We just ran into each other at one of those loud parties. It wasn't a time to.

Speaker 2 Hey, I really like Ted Lasso.

Speaker 3 Really? Yeah, I know Jason Sadakis. Really?

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 you're that.

Speaker 3 I hate those parties, man. That fucking music drives me.

Speaker 2 Hey, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 I'm coming in hot.

Speaker 2 What party was it? It was one of the SNL.

Speaker 3 snl parties

Speaker 2 yes that's right that's where it was and i wanted to say i love hedwood harry but you know it was too loud i'm exhausted right now because i've looked at all what you're doing out there right now it's like

Speaker 2 i'm exhausted because i just read your credit what's going on man

Speaker 1 yes busy boy he's like yes and that's why i have to jump off right now thanks can i ask you a quick question like what

Speaker 3 what i know these are sort of cliche in a sense but i guess like in 2017 2018 you were kind of regular regular famous, you've done some things,

Speaker 3 and then Ted Lasso and you became extra famous. Yeah, what year, how long have you been extra famous? This has been like three years

Speaker 3 since people are like, Hey, are you

Speaker 2 it was it was a weird thing where we did the we did lockdown, and when we came out of lockdown, we suddenly were pointed at in the street.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it was playing the whole time, just pointed at you.

Speaker 2 Hey,

Speaker 2 we were like, What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 what's on our face

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 1 if they said to you if

Speaker 1 this is a deal i would take

Speaker 1 we're gonna lock you down for two years but you'll be your super famous after i would say okay

Speaker 2 you'd say

Speaker 3 that's kind of what happened kind of a dystopian nightmare and you just were emancipated from it into love and

Speaker 3 human beings being so excited to see you.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's a very nice way of thinking about it. How have you two coped with being famous for as long as you have been famous, which is a long, long time now?

Speaker 3 David, you go first. Well, we like it when guests ask questions.

Speaker 2 Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 I'm glad we got through the Brett part of this interview.

Speaker 3 You can get a cup of tea, sit back, and 20 minutes.

Speaker 2 How old were you two? Because you were both. How old were you two when you

Speaker 2 were

Speaker 2 my my

Speaker 3 my i got an snl and i had kind of regular fame it was in the 80s but then i had wayne's world

Speaker 3 got an enemy for doing political impressions anyway i i'm just saying everything whooshed up and i was on the cover of rolling stone so for that year i it was peak fame and i found it exhausting just basically exhausting because i'm i'm kind of a people pleaser and so anyone who wanted to give me the time of the well sure you know so um

Speaker 3 i think i'm david right it's david i think david

Speaker 3 david would um

Speaker 1 have a different journey mine was very gradual uh brett because stand-up middle act wasn't even a headliner when i got on snl did an hbo like young comedian special so i got a drop of attention

Speaker 1 but got on snl but didn't do that much for a while dana kind of came out of the gate big and i i took a while and then leaving that and then a movie and then another movie. I think it was

Speaker 1 after SNL, after some movies, and then a sitcom called Just Shoot Me. And then I got the cover Rolling Stone.
And the cover Rolling Stone is a very hard one over here.

Speaker 1 I don't, especially if you're a comedian. So I feel like that was

Speaker 1 when people say, when were you the most famous? That's such a weird question. And it's always right now because it's accumulation of everything kind of or people finally caught up to stuff.

Speaker 1 But that was probably the year because you don't get that a lot, if ever, again. So I've really felt like that was a fun one.
And Dana got one, um, maybe two, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But is this uh, you two are uh best friends? Because you can only both be on the cover of Burlington. Is that the

Speaker 3 part of the club?

Speaker 2 And uh, if you get on there, we're gonna be hanging out.

Speaker 3 Well, I'm just curious: how are you? How's the recognition factor in different countries like Great Britain, uh, compared to Ireland?

Speaker 2 Or, you know, because Lasso is Lasso or Ted.

Speaker 3 I like to shorten the show.

Speaker 2 Ted is global.

Speaker 3 So that's a different thing. So where are you the most?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 there was like the first year we were only recognizing America, but then I think the second year it then was, it sort of went,

Speaker 2 I haven't, yeah, it's sort of everywhere because I think it's because it's on Apple. Yeah.
It's like, I mean, I haven't checked.

Speaker 1 Did England take any was there any different feeling than America? America was just sheer joy and bliss? Was England because you were there and your English, is there any different?

Speaker 2 I thought English people wouldn't take to Ted Lasso because it's sincere.

Speaker 2 So I

Speaker 2 thought English people.

Speaker 1 Is that not what plays over there?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I thought they were going to be like,

Speaker 2 you fucking prick, you sincere prick. Oh, you're so fucking earnest.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, I don't like that show.

Speaker 2 You're so fucking earnest.

Speaker 1 Is it a lot of comedy is more

Speaker 1 insincere?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, or

Speaker 2 negative, but like as in

Speaker 3 taking the piss out of people.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you what was a really interesting thing that happened that I learned. Is I did this show that no one ever saw.

Speaker 2 It was like an improvised sitcom with David Hasselhoff, where David Hasselhoff came to England and we were like his fake entourage, and it was

Speaker 2 half the record, yeah. And it was really funny, no one ever saw it, it was proper funny.

Speaker 2 But what was interesting about it is he, as the American, we were like improvising these scenes, and he came to us one day and he said,

Speaker 2 Guys,

Speaker 2 he said, They're making you look like idiots.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we were like, Yeah, no, it's okay. It's okay.
Because

Speaker 1 was he worried about you guys looking stupid in a documentary?

Speaker 2 And it's okay because

Speaker 2 we're in the joke. It's meant to be funny.
Like, as in, he wanted us all to be heroes. And I was like, that's such an interesting, like.

Speaker 2 Oh, right.

Speaker 1 It's funnier that you guys are all.

Speaker 3 Well, you guys gave us Monty Python, you know, so it's kind of like.

Speaker 3 doesn't get any better than that. But I do think

Speaker 3 for a second, it's philosophical alert. No, Ted Lasso, even for America, the earnestness of it, the sincerity of it took us off guard.

Speaker 3 You know?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 Because I people told me to watch it. I go, what? Lasso? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I was like, kind of like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 What's it on? Peach channel 4. No.
So then I watched it and I started seeing it. And it was the chemistry.
And, you know, I'm not going to say lightning in a bottle.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say that because I don't want to speak in cliches.

Speaker 2 It might be.

Speaker 3 A great show is when every single person in the cast is the only person you can imagine playing that part. And Ted Lasso had that across the board, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 That's very nice. I feel the same way about Just Shoot Me.
Can I ask you?

Speaker 2 Is that a callback?

Speaker 2 Did it make it over there?

Speaker 3 Oh, you saw the show?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It was on late night in England.

Speaker 1 It was on BBC 1285.

Speaker 2 It was on BBC 1285.

Speaker 3 Still getting the checks, eh?

Speaker 1 Shit. God, I'm glad you saw just shoot me.
It gives me some legitimacy on this call. Thank God.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Tell me,

Speaker 2 I want to know about you two. Have you done stand-up bullshits in England?

Speaker 3 I've been invited, but

Speaker 3 never lined up. But I,

Speaker 2 how, how does

Speaker 2 it

Speaker 1 work?

Speaker 2 Why are you scared? Yeah, we're scared. We are scared.
I'm scared for sure.

Speaker 2 Why won't you come? They'd love you.

Speaker 2 I don't. I just don't want my city.
It's my favorite city.

Speaker 3 I've been there several times. I love everything about it.
The West End, you know.

Speaker 2 Eiffel Square. Yeah.
Eiffel Square.

Speaker 2 Yeah, all the biggies. The pyramids.

Speaker 2 Leicester Square.

Speaker 3 This is, you know, okay, I have to ask. These are just arithmetic questions.
But so you got this special that's coming out in a couple of weeks. Second best night of your life.
I like the title.

Speaker 3 That's that's a title.

Speaker 1 Always hard to get a title.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Spade's got one coming out called Dandelion.

Speaker 2 Always hard.

Speaker 2 Good title. I saw the trailer and the title was explained in the trailer, and I was like, respect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I'm a puss.

Speaker 1 No one would guess that.

Speaker 3 Where did you shoot the special?

Speaker 2 Oh, in New Jersey. New Jersey.
Oh, realizing. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Bergen theater, did you?

Speaker 2 At the PAC.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 And how many people?

Speaker 2 It was

Speaker 2 2000 or whatever.

Speaker 1 Two shows one night?

Speaker 2 Two shows one night. Love it.

Speaker 3 So pre-pandemic, you're playing clubs. Is that right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, clubs in like 50 seats.

Speaker 3 The kind of my favorite size. You can't make money, but I like a 50-seater.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? But so then now you're

Speaker 3 you, your life has just went this last five years.

Speaker 2 It really did. But I, but I, I think I was, I was sort of, this is why I'm asking when you, what age you were, because I was quite, I was 38 when I did Lasso, I think.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 I'd been going, I'd been doing all of this at a low level for a long, long time.

Speaker 2 So I think

Speaker 2 I just didn't expect any of it. But then when it happened, it was like,

Speaker 2 well, I'll be dead soon. So made the most of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think it must be

Speaker 2 your your next special. I'll be dead soon.

Speaker 1 If you're 38 and you're doing pretty well, you probably go, it probably would have happened by now. And

Speaker 1 the odds get higher that, I mean, you can be famous, but then you to have a game changer is very rare.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Yeah.
I'd long given up on sort of a big thing happening. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I thought when I got SNL at 31, I'd been in the clubs for 10 years and I'd auditioned for SNL several times in clubs and just thought it was sort of over.

Speaker 3 A lot of things had to come together. They were recasting.
And long story short, I got it at 31. And then the show was really on a low point.

Speaker 3 But by third, it happened to be the shit we had to rescue him.

Speaker 1 Let's just take this guy. We can't lose.

Speaker 2 It wasn't easy.

Speaker 3 I thought I was going to turn the lights out because everything pilot I'd ever done, every show I'd ever done, had failed.

Speaker 2 Sucked.

Speaker 3 So I didn't want to turn. Oh, you can turn it out now.

Speaker 2 Okay, that's 8H.

Speaker 1 Tana, turn the light out.

Speaker 3 What else have you got? So I was around that age, 36, when I started to make extra money and be extra famous. And

Speaker 3 I found it. It's a Faustian deal in some ways over time.

Speaker 3 Do you have a financial planner, kid?

Speaker 1 He's got a printing press.

Speaker 2 I would say to you this.

Speaker 3 And I don't think I've ever expressed this. I'll just do it very quickly.

Speaker 3 Is that at some point you want a wall of money that's giving you income, not risky investments, not real estate, but liquidity, bonds, or something that is giving you a wall of income.

Speaker 3 So in 10 years from now, you never go on Ben to D. You never have to do anything you don't want to do.

Speaker 3 Your career so far seems like you're in command and control because you're the executive producer, you're the writer, so you wouldn't have those issues.

Speaker 3 But whatever money you think you want, you just want to be completely done by 50. So you have nine years, eight years.

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm going to play back this podcast and I'm going to have to write out what you just said because you lost me at bonds.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 it doesn't matter about bonds, mailbox money, just money that comes in when you're not working so that you can pick and choose

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Speaker 3 Most stand-ups just do stand up and try to get hired.

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Speaker 2 I have a question for you both about SNL that I'm curious about because I've spoken to Bill Hayder and I've spoken to Jason and I've spoken to a couple of other people and everyone tells me.

Speaker 2 When I spoke to Bill Hayder, I said to him, he was making Barry at the time and he was like writing, execing, directing, producing, all of it. And I said, how do you cope with the pressure of that?

Speaker 2 That's such a huge, huge undertaking. And he said, anything's easier after SNL.

Speaker 2 And I, and I wonder if you two feel this way. Like, the machine of SNL seems to me so

Speaker 2 fucking insanely stressful. And sort of the ego of it week by week that you could be in a sketch, then you're not in a sketch, and you're the king for a night, then it's gone.

Speaker 2 And then week on week, how do you, how did you feel about that?

Speaker 1 You know, Bill, Bill, who's one of the greats of SNL,

Speaker 1 we all love,

Speaker 1 I think maybe

Speaker 1 what he's saying is that at that point, you're on the upswing and you're trying to get to a level where

Speaker 1 you're not going to give up on showbiz. You know, everything's going on like you've all been in that position, we've all been where, am I going to do this forever?

Speaker 1 Because I just barely, barely making it. And that's the stress of SNL.
You're going to get fired every year. No one's treated preferentially, really.
And you keep writing and keep proving yourself.

Speaker 1 With Barry, maybe, which sounds so such a hard undertaking, is

Speaker 1 he's already got to this point and he's been given something. And now it's just not fun, but fun and hard.
But maybe, maybe there's something. I can't imagine something that hard.

Speaker 1 SNL was horrible, but it's in the past, but the new thing would seem harder. Like, okay, it's right in front of me.
I got to make this work, which luckily he did.

Speaker 1 Dana, what do you think?

Speaker 3 Well, I would say all that is true. It's an emotionally violent sport, SNL.

Speaker 3 But over time, if you write your own sketches and get some friends together, it might help out, but it's coming from you.

Speaker 3 And then there's no time for someone to overthink it, was great for my ADD brain. There was no real direction.
You direct yourself.

Speaker 3 The director is just trying to get the shots by the seat of their knees.

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 you're a master of your fate in some ways. There's whimsy to that, but then you have control.
And so when I walked off,

Speaker 3 I didn't have the confidence.

Speaker 3 I was being offered multi-millions to do a couple of films that were complete mistakes, you know, because then going from complete control to no control, 100 takes, they edit the way they want.

Speaker 3 I did this thing in a scene, which I thought, okay, I nailed this. I looked at the monitor, saw it in the film.
It's been cut to pieces.

Speaker 3 What I love about your resume so far is that you're not, you're Bill Hayter. Bill Hayter bet on himself.

Speaker 3 He could have made a Stefan movie, let's just say 15 million. Sure.
He could have stayed at SNL or done another variety show. He bet on himself.
He just said, no. And now he's like,

Speaker 3 he's a Cohen brother or he's Kubrick

Speaker 3 in the second or he's a Paul Thomas. So what you're doing is already fantastic.
You're making shows. You're in control.

Speaker 3 And the only time I've been really unhappy in show business, like truly unhappy, is being on a set or in a project where you look over at the brain trust around the

Speaker 3 camera and you're like, oh, we're fucked.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is not going to work. You can tell right away it's not working.

Speaker 3 So just do what you've been doing.

Speaker 3 You're in charge of your, you know.

Speaker 2 So far, this podcast is really lovely. So thank you very much.

Speaker 2 We're going to transform it.

Speaker 3 Well, don't let them dangle a shiny arm to you. You make it so popular that you're tempted to do some movie you don't want to do because all of a sudden it's whatever cartoon money would be.

Speaker 3 you know and it wouldn't the money is only about freedom the only reason to have money from my mind is to have freedom freedom to work or not work freedom to how to work by the way i'll just ask you do you have shiny things that speak to you like watches cars do you live which is totally

Speaker 2 fine

Speaker 2 that's the again the beauty of it is i don't i i never

Speaker 2 I always made enough. Before this all happened, I always made just enough.
I made enough to pay my rent. I need enough to go to the cinema, which I like doing it.

Speaker 2 And I made enough for black t-shirts, which is all I wear. That was it.
And so, when will this happen? Look at us.

Speaker 2 Oh, God. All I need is the cover of Rolling Stone and we can be a gang.

Speaker 1 You can't afford that shit.

Speaker 3 Why, this one might be.

Speaker 2 I have a stupid regular shirt on.

Speaker 2 Oh, I have a good stitch.

Speaker 1 I have a good question for him, Dana. Watch this.
Watch this.

Speaker 3 That's good. Fastball coming in.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Brent, if that's your real name, Brent.

Speaker 2 Brett.

Speaker 1 So, Brett,

Speaker 1 if England is doing an SNL.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they are, right?

Speaker 1 England is doing SNL, Dana. Did you know this?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we did. Yes, I did.
Big story.

Speaker 1 We haven't talked about it enough. Yeah.
Obviously, I don't think you would want to be on it as a cast member, but what are your thoughts about that? That sounds right.

Speaker 1 Because I was thinking, what's the equivalent of SNL over there?

Speaker 2 And then I just thought, oh, wait, I think they're doing one.

Speaker 3 They're doing one.

Speaker 2 They just announced it. Yeah.
I think there are so many fucking great

Speaker 2 sketch comedians and comedians in England that it could be amazing. I think for years everyone has tried tried to do an SNL and failed at it.
So I think making an actual SNL might be the answer.

Speaker 1 Instead of a knockoff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, instead of going like Sunday morning,

Speaker 2 recorded. Like, they're always trying.
Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 And I've noticed, I think what they've always made the mistake of is...

Speaker 2 They go to like the Edinburgh Festival and they find a sketch group and another sketch group who aren't friends, don't know each other, and they go,

Speaker 2 they sort of mix and match random people. Whereas I think if they go to the groups that

Speaker 2 have chemistry and have built something and put them in stuff and give them some autonomy, I think it could be amazing. It could be.

Speaker 3 I think that's a good observation. I think on SNL, John Lovitz, when I was there, knew Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks, knew these writers, and there was a...

Speaker 3 a chemistry that started right away.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you need it right away. Because that first viewing, people will be like, is this any good?

Speaker 2 That's the pressure. Like, they don't go, you know what?

Speaker 1 We'll get it gelled around show 15. And they're like, we're gone.
So that's the scary part, the pressure, get it right right away. And if you have people that work together, that would help.

Speaker 1 Like they come in with something.

Speaker 2 You've got to have a

Speaker 2 such a weird thing. It's such an ephemeral thing, but

Speaker 2 I like SNL because it's like the Muppet Show, right? It is a gang show and it is the chemistry.

Speaker 1 Dana was Fozzie Bear for sure.

Speaker 3 It's a sporting event, but the thing about it being live is that

Speaker 3 it's obliterated all the competition. We used to have so many, mostly tape, but variety shows were huge, I assume, in England as well in the 60s and 70s, early 80s.
Now they've all disappeared.

Speaker 3 I tried one in prime time. Martin Short did.
All disappeared. There is no live 90-minute comedy show with a really cool band and maybe a movie star or football player host.
So,

Speaker 3 you know, stay to that.

Speaker 2 Have

Speaker 3 an athlete host you just do the do all that but you guys between ricky gervais i'll just loop leap around here peter sellers of course and i already mentioned money python it's one of your biggest exports you know is comedy you know yeah i think it's i i'd be really interested if they it up i don't know the the

Speaker 2 backness of it as in if if lawn's involved i don't know like if it's like uh

Speaker 1 would they ship a teena bay over to help get it going would they do you know i I don't know what extent they would be involved, you know, because it's a very complicated

Speaker 1 show to do, and there's got to be some shortcuts of people that have done it forever that can help alleviate the full-on stress it would be.

Speaker 2 Would you go?

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think I'm good enough. Dana might be good.
Dana should be the first host to sort of tie it all together.

Speaker 3 I would go. I would just stay with, I mean, there's two lanes of that show.

Speaker 3 One lane is that you're seeing some unknown people, comedians, come on the show.

Speaker 3 And so you're watching them evolve and you're kind of rooting for them and seeing them find the audience, get more confident. And that is a reality show.
So when the show bombs,

Speaker 3 so to speak, it should be just as interesting as when it kills because it's live. Oh, this sketch is bombing.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 it's kind of fun for the audience.

Speaker 3 Jake is the guest host, and he's really, he's horrible right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, he could be the first guest host, too. Sorry, Dana, you're pushed out.

Speaker 2 We've already had your second week.

Speaker 3 And then an athlete or someone who's never done comedy in their life is forced to do sketch comedy. So if they do it, great.
That's another secret sauce.

Speaker 1 You have a lot of those over there. You could do that.
Those are two.

Speaker 3 And then constantly have Paul McCartney sing Let It Be every week.

Speaker 1 And J-Lo.

Speaker 2 Yeah, every week.

Speaker 1 Oh, to promote the movie. We got to hurry up and get this SNL going, though.

Speaker 2 Tell me, have you? What do you, what's your like secret when you're bombing? If the sketch isn't working, what do you do?

Speaker 1 Do you feel Dane is bombing if he's on stage?

Speaker 3 Well, Will Farrell famously.

Speaker 3 No, I

Speaker 3 could easily.

Speaker 3 That show can go south in a second, you know, because it's so under-rehearsed and live, the audience can be weird. Yeah, yeah.
Will Farrell is famously the most

Speaker 3 like if a sketch starts to bomb, his commitment goes up exponentially.

Speaker 1 Goes harder, yeah.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so, yeah, you just sort of, it's all madness, but it's it's very much under-rehearsed, and and there's rewrites right before you go on.

Speaker 3 And it's, you know, you're going to get it right off the cue card. But that's what gives it this

Speaker 3 chemistry, this excitement, you know. So, and live from London just sounds funny to me.
It's a little bit like the clash, London calling. Maybe that should be the theme, but live from London.

Speaker 2 london you know it's like

Speaker 3 what is there any other town it could be from out there yeah live from liverpool

Speaker 2 live from birmingham yeah it has to be london has to be london london calling

Speaker 2 yeah you're frozen with a thumbs up like you're really pleased about it

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Speaker 3 Films to be buried with. We've been doing that for years.
Yes.

Speaker 3 And it's really the premise of, and I did think about it, movies that affected you.

Speaker 2 It's like the film that made you cry the most, the film that scared you the most, the sexiest.

Speaker 3 Exorcist scared me the most.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 2001, a Space Odyssey at 13 in a Cinerama Dome in Seattle blew my mind, basically.

Speaker 3 Didn't know, didn't have any precursor, like, what is this about? And everything about that movie.

Speaker 3 I actually, a few years ago, they were going to, they did the 50th, whatever, anniversary, and I saw it six times over two months at the Arclight Theater in LA.

Speaker 3 It's just kind of a spiritual experience.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a meditative experience. And I don't know why Kubrick,

Speaker 3 how he kind of does that.

Speaker 3 What is the secret of the off-kilter acting? Kind of, you know, how, and the casualness, they're getting the sandwich and the spaceship. And all they know is this thing's been around.

Speaker 3 There's some magic to that film for sure i think it's a wonderful life um

Speaker 3 i don't know why

Speaker 3 but even if i bring this up in casual conversation i get choked up he's back he's back we're talking about it's a wonderful life

Speaker 2 talking about movies

Speaker 3 It's where they that his life, the angel, he sees what it'd be like if he wasn't born.

Speaker 3 And then he's euphoric and the townspeople show up and someone says to his character, we heard George Bailey was in trouble. That always stuck with me.

Speaker 3 We heard, and I've always teared up about that when I bring it up.

Speaker 2 I don't have to tear up now. I could a little bit.
You are.

Speaker 3 There's something about that.

Speaker 3 You know, so what about you? What I'm just, what movie?

Speaker 1 Yeah, start crying.

Speaker 3 What scared you the most besides Tommy Boy? Do you see the

Speaker 1 did you see the exorcist?

Speaker 2 I did see. Do you know what? I saw The Exorcist when I was young and I thought it was stupid.
And then I watched it.

Speaker 2 You got scared later? Yeah, I got scared like a year ago when I watched it. I was like, oh, my God, that is so scary.
I didn't think it was scary when I was little. I would never watch that.

Speaker 3 How old were you when they saw that?

Speaker 2 I was like six and I was like, this stupid little girl with the best fitting head.

Speaker 2 That's just this bullshit. That's interesting.
First grader.

Speaker 1 Dana, ask him about. I will.
Because I'm too embarrassed.

Speaker 1 Ask him when he did that audition, which he's probably talked about for Ted Lasso, did you film it alone in your room? I have to hear every goddamn detail. It's so funny.

Speaker 3 Well, just set the table for you're a writer on Ted Lasso. There's a part, and you're thinking, maybe I'll be wrong.

Speaker 2 I'm a writer on Ted Lasso. I love it.

Speaker 3 I know you've probably told me.

Speaker 1 It's the best thing you've ever done.

Speaker 3 Embellish it this time. Let's get some details.

Speaker 2 Give us extra. I will give you.
I'll give you one extra detail. I don't usually begin.

Speaker 2 We're writing it. I get the thought that I think I could do Roy Kent, but I know not a single person in the room is thinking thinking that everyone.

Speaker 2 And I know that if I say it out loud, everyone will be like, embarrassing.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 It's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 Human would be good for this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's how you start. If we can't find anyone, I don't think Hugh is actually super talented.

Speaker 2 You know, what if he has really big eyebrows? Just a thought. Putting it out there.
Putting it out there.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I wait till we finish

Speaker 2 writing and then I

Speaker 2 make a self-tape. But what I did with the self-tape, self-tape, I went to my Zait, which is my manager's office, and they like do oh, in LA?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it was in LA, because that's where we were writing. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you know, I don't know if you've done this, but they have like whoever the assistants are at the time, they can read in with you and they can. Oh, right.

Speaker 2 So I did my scenes with this

Speaker 2 Norwegian guy who was like an intern. So the scenes I'm acting with Keely in the original self-tape, it's me going like Keely and Keely's like, hello.
And it's like,

Speaker 2 dude, and not even an actor. Yeah.

Speaker 2 A sort of dead pan Norwegian man was playing Keely.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I recorded five scenes and I flew back to England. Like I finished my contract and I flew back to England.
And when I got on the plane, I sent Bill Lawrence the tape and I said, thanks for everything.

Speaker 2 I said, look, I've been thinking I could play Roy Kemp, but I appreciate that no one's thinking this. This is really embarrassing.
If this is shit, I will never ask you about it.

Speaker 2 We can pretend this never happened. But if this is good, here's the tape.
And then when I landed, it was like an overnight flight. When I landed, I got an email saying, this is fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 I'm going to send it to you. Oh, really? Wow.

Speaker 3 Well, I want to ask you

Speaker 3 about this because

Speaker 3 the character that you play, and like we're getting to know you now. So you really did, like the body language is so funny and interesting of Roy Kent.

Speaker 3 And also, obviously, you went lower, a little more gravelly, and he's sort of an alpha-alpha type character.

Speaker 3 So did you have that in the audition tape or did that evolve as you kind of got on this?

Speaker 2 I think I had the posture in the tape. because i knew he it was all based on a load of things but i knew he was like a guy who had been told since little

Speaker 2 shoulders back head forward like he'd been told that yeah and that he was leading like he's ready to headbutt someone at all times so he's leading

Speaker 2 but the voice the voice was like

Speaker 2 halfway there in the in the self-tape I think and they wanted you to play it up

Speaker 2 No, I just felt right once I was there with, once you're sort of faced with, it's funny because, you know, I'd done this tape with a Norwegian guy in a room, but then suddenly there's 20 men and you have to be

Speaker 3 super, yeah, oh, tougher, dominant.

Speaker 3 So what was the line? I mean,

Speaker 3 what did he say? Something had to happen. I think it was in the audition tape and in the show.
Or I'm going to start punching something.

Speaker 2 Yeah, silence where I'm going to start punching dicks.

Speaker 3 And how would Roy can't? You don't have to do the care. You want me to do it?

Speaker 2 I'm like, you're impressive of it because you're going to do it. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Now you got me.

Speaker 1 I use that line when I'm waiting too long at Cheesecake.

Speaker 2 We're going to be silent in here.

Speaker 3 I'm going to start punching dicks.

Speaker 2 I'll punch your dicks. Line him up.

Speaker 3 You're fucking dick. So you get to swear.

Speaker 2 Calls a next.

Speaker 3 I remember Sandler did a movie.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 3 Uh, with Paul Thomas Anderson. I go, God, you're so good in that.
He goes, Carvey, I got to swear.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 and like, so you're yourself.

Speaker 3 You're on the phone. What the fuck? And so your character, character, how many square words per episode?

Speaker 2 Are you allotted?

Speaker 3 Someone did count it.

Speaker 2 I think it's in the hundreds. It's in the hundreds per six season.

Speaker 1 You got a real anora on your hands.

Speaker 1 What about, do you swear in your stand-up? I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 Yes, I do, yeah. Oh, boy.

Speaker 2 I found that interesting.

Speaker 2 When I started doing gigs in America, like

Speaker 2 smaller gigs, when I was first coming out here, and they'd be like, do you have a clean set? And I was like, What's a clean set?

Speaker 2 That's so true.

Speaker 2 It's just standard.

Speaker 1 It's like everyone's dirty.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But it's also like, What do you mean a clean set? Isn't this an adult evening out?

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 But some clubs want it clean. That's funny.
Or some headliners, if you, when I used to open a middle, they'd say, keep it clean. And I'm like, huh?

Speaker 1 So I always sort of looked at a clean tip because you were also eyeballing doing Letterman or doing a late night show.

Speaker 1 and you had to be clean, so your manager would say, You're wasting it because you can't do that bit.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, Right, the level of what you can do on a late night talk show is kind of, but so what's the as far as your special

Speaker 3 coming out?

Speaker 2 What's the what's the bit that is the bluest?

Speaker 2 We call it blue. Uh,

Speaker 2 I've got a five-minute bit about the C-word and how America is scared of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, Brett, oh, my mom just called.

Speaker 2 She goes, Oh, you don't need that.

Speaker 3 We know

Speaker 2 that about.

Speaker 1 Doesn't like my own act. I like Dana.

Speaker 2 He's clever and he's fun. He's clean and cheerful.

Speaker 2 You don't. Come on.
You clean. You're clean.
You're standing clean, Dana?

Speaker 3 For the most part,

Speaker 3 there's certain jokes that's kind of,

Speaker 3 you know, where the punchline is fuck you or use as fuck. Right.

Speaker 3 And then I go, okay and jerry seinfeld doesn't like that try to rewrite it where you don't need the word you know what do you need it for

Speaker 2 is that seinfeld it was

Speaker 2 with a little garb over the back with an eeyore

Speaker 1 yeah we also both do corporate gigs me and dana and when they say do an hour do 45 minutes and keep it clean that's another way we work and uh if like i watch dana on these we do them together sometimes he's not a 100% clean, but you don't even notice it.

Speaker 1 The whole tone, the whole vibe is like fun. And it's really because they said, one guy told me, he goes, we just say that because Martin Lawrence did 20 minutes on eating pussy.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh, okay, well.

Speaker 3 We get where the line is.

Speaker 2 That's where the line. Okay, I get.
So somewhere under, yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 But that's what they're fearful of. Something happened once.
where people complain and you go, I got it. You won't even notice I'm dirty.
It's like so goofy.

Speaker 3 My goal is to get them to laugh at at minutia that's been wound down into madness and get them to go with that for an extended period of time. And that's its own sort of pornographic, you know.

Speaker 3 I mean, you must have bits in your act that maybe you get more laughs than you think they deserve, or less laughs, or ones that you think are the most challenging for the audience in the sense of how abstract they are, or you know, everything is all the above.

Speaker 2 That's very interesting. I guess, I guess, yes, there was there would be stuff I wouldn't do if it were a corporate gig for sure.

Speaker 2 But I still am like,

Speaker 2 I think I just fundamentally object to the idea of here is 200 adults in a room, and because it's corporate, they don't want anything rude.

Speaker 1 But can they handle it?

Speaker 2 It's like, yes, you can handle it.

Speaker 2 I'm like, but they're still people. I think they'll probably really enjoy it.
I do. I don't want to do 10 minutes on eating pussy.
I do get

Speaker 2 hands up. I'll get that.
Everybody has that bit we've all got that

Speaker 3 the audience wants it unbridled but there's always people there's the ceo the company and then there's the people who've been hired and so they just don't want to apply our department but the audience by and large they're adults in america in 2025 what if they haven't heard you know yeah yeah it's about people complaining getting sued and saying i was so offended i was shaking it's like oh because of brett's filthy act.

Speaker 2 Thinking about 18 pussy after that,

Speaker 1 I couldn't stop. I couldn't start doing it again.

Speaker 3 It's not too late to drop in a bit, go to the comedy store, and just insert it into your special and just say, I don't know why I thought of this.

Speaker 1 But when you tape this, which I think is out now,

Speaker 3 you 2026, I believe.

Speaker 1 So I think it's out now because we don't know what day it is today.

Speaker 2 Oh, we don't know what day it is.

Speaker 3 Sorry.

Speaker 3 I think it's out.

Speaker 3 Anyway, we'll see.

Speaker 1 But, Brett, is there, did you, I just did mine and all you want to do is have

Speaker 1 one of your best crowds. I mean, they're obviously coming to see you, but the cameras sometimes throw people and it turns into a pretty good crowd.

Speaker 2 Yeah. How was yours? Tell me.
Tell me the truth.

Speaker 1 Mine was, I did two. I did the same kind of thing.
Two, one night.

Speaker 1 I think when you're Sandler and you've got an almost unlimited budget, he was just taping almost everywhere he went, small, big, really thought out.

Speaker 1 He pictured like a movie and i think pta was involved in one of them and maybe the safeties so so he's got a lot going on and a lot of fun and it's

Speaker 1 great so i'm doing the more common two and night but yeah i went to denver which is a great comedy right town and uh i did come out The last one I did, the crowd was tougher, but they were masked.

Speaker 1 And I wasn't sure of that. And when I went out, they sounded muffled, which is a good.

Speaker 3 You know, they were wearing masks.

Speaker 1 You know what? They said we can do it in Minneapolis. Austin says no.

Speaker 1 And they said Netflix isn't agreeing to do it with Austin because of the parameters. But the parameters were they wouldn't wear masks.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know what the parameters were. I go, oh, but we can still do it.
They go, yeah, we'll just do your next gig in Minneapolis. We'll just sell two shows.

Speaker 1 And then I was so in the zone about my own shit. I was like, oh, no, because the opener wasn't doing as well.
And I'm like, do not give me a rough crowd tonight. Please, God.

Speaker 1 Yes. And so that was, but this one was obviously unmasked and super fun.
So I got lucky. Also, you have two shows that people don't know.
You're sort of combining the two shows.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you use most of one because sometimes you just hit one way back. What did you do? More of a combination?

Speaker 2 Well, I had that experience.

Speaker 2 Everyone had said to me, oh, your special crowds are just, they're so up for it. It's going to be amazing.
And then that first crowd, you can tell, right? You can tell by that one joke.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, anything.

Speaker 2 You just walk out

Speaker 2 by the cheer. Yeah.
And that first,

Speaker 2 there was so much stuff, and there were so, you know, wires everywhere, and there's stuff in the wires.

Speaker 3 Cameras swooshing around.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I think it does throw them. And

Speaker 2 like this, seven o'clock's quite early, you know, and that was the first show.

Speaker 1 A little early. They're not drunk.
They're just.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I did that whole stage thing and they went, yay.
And I thought, uh-oh.

Speaker 2 All you got was a yay.

Speaker 1 It was like, yeah, you know, that's funny. Also, they bring them in a little earlier for that early show, so they're sitting forever.
I don't think there's booze, they don't want to see booze.

Speaker 3 I mean, unless you specifically ask for them, and then they're seated with the technical issues, they can't get up and use the bathroom and stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then, yeah, I never have shot one that I felt was anywhere near the sets I did before that, but we practice that.

Speaker 2 The late show was excellent crap. Like, then I was like, okay, we're good.

Speaker 2 We've got something with it.

Speaker 1 I mean, did you use most ideas? They were really good.

Speaker 2 They were really good. They were both very good.
I'm very grateful to all of them. Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 I'm grateful anyone shows up.

Speaker 2 We did a show in Minneapolis when I toured, and that was the best crowd I've ever.

Speaker 1 Oh, see, that's why I said that before.

Speaker 3 What theater were you in? The Guthrie?

Speaker 2 Or Paramount, maybe? No, that was definitely.

Speaker 2 I'd have to go in my calendar. Because they do have

Speaker 2 great crowds. Could you give me 35 minutes?

Speaker 1 I love when you said you wrote to Ed Lasso in LA. I pictured you in a castle in England.
Anything in England, I feel like it's a castle.

Speaker 3 Anything where the British accent seems smarter, more sophisticated. Yeah, you know,

Speaker 3 we've seen all your movies, all these.

Speaker 1 I always tell Dana, if I'm famous, I'll go over there. But I was, I went there for one day and I wasn't too sure.

Speaker 1 We went for grown-ups that movie, and uh, we all went over there and stayed at the Soho. What's up?

Speaker 2 There's a gig in London that's the best gig in London called Always Be Comedy. The man who runs that gig, James Gill, he is obsessed with you, David Spake.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, off camera, I might hit you up and say, hey, tell me about this thing, and I might go do it sometime.

Speaker 2 He can't believe I'm doing this podcast. He's so excited.
And he said,

Speaker 2 get him to do my gig. Like,

Speaker 2 you will be very famous in that room.

Speaker 1 Took you 44 minutes to get to this but uh this pitch but uh thank you and uh i might hit you up so unblock me and i'm gonna hit you on instagram

Speaker 1 and then all my messages flood through once you unblock me i'm like dude i just saw you in the parking lot the improv

Speaker 1 say that why did you drive away as i was chasing after you waiting i really just have to look at my act like you know you might because

Speaker 1 i didn't get a chance to hear your whole hour obviously but

Speaker 1 I have to wonder, the big subjects work overseas, politics, marriage, relationships. And when I look at my act, I've got to see what I have to throw out because I just don't know, you know.

Speaker 2 Well, also, but there's much more,

Speaker 2 everything's fucking everywhere, right? Now, like, I think the stuff you're scared wouldn't work, would work.

Speaker 1 I should just try it and see what happens because I'll blame them.

Speaker 3 Everybody looks at Daily Mail because it's crack cocaine in the brain.

Speaker 1 They sift through the commercials and try to look at an article.

Speaker 1 By the way, do you have enough money for Daily Mail Plus?

Speaker 2 That's a real question.

Speaker 1 Dana, they just added a plus. It's $1.99 and I told him to get fucked.

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Speaker 3 So by the way, you're doing a movie with Jennifer Lopez currently, right? Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with family at the moment, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you know what it's called?

Speaker 2 I do.

Speaker 2 You tell me.

Speaker 2 It's called

Speaker 1 Office Party.

Speaker 3 Office Romance.

Speaker 2 Office.

Speaker 2 Office? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's called Office Schmoffers.

Speaker 3 Meet You at the Office. What's it called? Meet You at the Office?

Speaker 2 It's called Office.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so is it a rom-com? Be honest.

Speaker 2 It's a rom-com. It's a

Speaker 2 cool rom-com.

Speaker 3 So, this is you stepping outside the lines unless you wrote and produced this film.

Speaker 2 No, I did. I did co-write this with Jay Kelly.

Speaker 2 And do you play Roy Kent in this?

Speaker 1 This is a lot of people are asking.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 He plays Ted Lasso.

Speaker 1 He plays Ted.

Speaker 2 I play Keely Jones in this one.

Speaker 1 Shay-Lo, in my brief encounters with her, is quite sweet and funny.

Speaker 2 Is this true? She's so funny. She's always funny and she's always friendly.

Speaker 2 Brilliant comedy actor. Like, underrated.
Like, when you see her live, I'm like, fucking hell, you're good at this. Like, she's a really, really good comic actor.

Speaker 1 So, you, wait, you just said you wrote it with your friend. Is that what you said?

Speaker 2 Yes, Joe Kelly. And so

Speaker 1 you get that get up on its feet.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then you figure out who's the leading lady, who's the rest of it, where you shoot. That's all.
You're in on all that? That's great.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. We wrote it on a train while I was making Ted Lasso.

Speaker 2 We sort of had idea.

Speaker 1 Did you think of calling it office train?

Speaker 2 We did. We thought of calling it office station.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could all do it. It could all be played on the train.

Speaker 3 How did you try to make it spin? How did you spin it? Because it is a genre.

Speaker 1 What's the sort of rough

Speaker 2 hook?

Speaker 2 Yeah. The hook is, I suppose, I can't tell you much, but I can tell you the aim is it's like a really proper, classy, old-school rom-com, like a Nora Efron type film, but

Speaker 2 with hard R jokes. Oh, okay.
Oh, good, good.

Speaker 2 That

Speaker 1 any aliens.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. That's another good hook.

Speaker 3 Is it too late for David to do a nice little cameo? He walks in.

Speaker 1 What about the guy that steals the girls? Is that part taken?

Speaker 2 That's me, dude.

Speaker 2 What else could you bring at this very late stage? That's it.

Speaker 1 That's my only move. move.

Speaker 1 The good-looking, dashing dude that runs in and she glances at me and sprints toward me.

Speaker 1 Hey, this dude. I didn't know about this guy.
He was on the planet. Bye-bye.

Speaker 2 So I think rom-com with R-rated is interesting.

Speaker 1 I can't really think of one. So I like that idea.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sounds more real.

Speaker 2 Yes, hopefully. I think it's going to be good.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 of your two children, Ted Lasso and Shrinking, which one's your favorite?

Speaker 2 Get off my couch.

Speaker 3 Get off my couch, Chewy. I'm not chewy.
I'm Brad. You're chewy to me.

Speaker 1 I'm Harrison. That's Harrison Ford, you know.
I love that show.

Speaker 3 And I love Harrison Ford.

Speaker 2 She's my wife.

Speaker 1 You can't see our shaking fingers. That's a a big part.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 3 No one gets mad like Harrison Ford.

Speaker 3 He's so good, man.

Speaker 2 My wife.

Speaker 1 That Chewy, your ticks got in my soup again.

Speaker 2 Chewy, get me out of here.

Speaker 3 Shut the fuck up, Chewy.

Speaker 1 He should be Chewy-Doo, like Scooby-Doo.

Speaker 1 Like a collab.

Speaker 2 so we're entertaining, Brett.

Speaker 1 So, chewy and sex with Scooby-Oh, I guess I'll give up.

Speaker 2 We can go anywhere you want.

Speaker 3 Were you going to play Hercules potentially? You did a cameo, and now you're in the

Speaker 2 universe.

Speaker 2 Well, I

Speaker 2 mean,

Speaker 2 gun to head, I can't say anything, but at the same time, I think that's probably it on that one.

Speaker 3 Okay, I like gun to head because I thought, what's the difference between Hercules and Roy Kent?

Speaker 2 Uh, one is a Greek god, and the other one is a hairy guy from T.

Speaker 2 Teeth.

Speaker 1 What's your favorite soccer team called?

Speaker 2 Tottenham or something? Tottenham, yeah.

Speaker 2 How'd you know that?

Speaker 2 Who have you been speaking to?

Speaker 1 I did talk to my soccer buddy, Bobby, and I said,

Speaker 1 because I have a Tottenham shirt.

Speaker 2 Oh, dear.

Speaker 1 And I, yeah, I don't even know why, but.

Speaker 2 Oh, he gave it to me.

Speaker 1 And so I wear it. And if people ask me one question, I fall apart.
So I just like to puff up.

Speaker 3 Is Brendan Hunt dating Hannah Wanning Wannington?

Speaker 2 Reading that off the internet?

Speaker 2 Rebecca.

Speaker 3 Oh, oh, Rebecca. That's right.

Speaker 2 Hannah, no. Hannah Waddington's their real name.
Is Brendan Hunt dating Rebecca Waddington?

Speaker 2 Do you mean... Hang on.
What's the question?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 He doesn't know. He's reading the internet or something.

Speaker 3 I'm looking for, I've got, well, who's the, who's who's the bad apple on the bunch in that cast?

Speaker 3 Oh, he's the difficult one.

Speaker 1 No, you said in Ted Lasso? Is that you're saying?

Speaker 2 Yeah, who's the bad apple in the cast?

Speaker 2 There genuinely isn't one. And I know that's an annoying answer, but like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Who's the most difficult to work with?

Speaker 2 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Dana on this podcast is the most out of us too.

Speaker 3 Juno Temple is coming back to play Keely.

Speaker 1 Oh, right. It's coming back.

Speaker 2 That's correct. Yes.
I believe so. Gun to head.

Speaker 1 Isn't there a girl named Keely on the show?

Speaker 2 Yes. Keely.

Speaker 1 And there's someone named Keely.

Speaker 2 She's the love of it. There are people in the world called Keely, yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that a common name over there? There's not one person here named Keely.

Speaker 2 Really? You have no Keely's? Zero. Oh, we got a couple of Keely's.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got two maybe.

Speaker 3 Were the negotiations tough to get the cast to come back, or were you guys locked into a certain salary already?

Speaker 2 We'd all signed like

Speaker 2 contracts in the early days, you know, forever and ever.

Speaker 1 So they pick up?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think so. That's good.

Speaker 1 Makes it easier.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Saves time.

Speaker 2 How long did you do just shoot me? How many years was that?

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 2 in your court.

Speaker 1 Well, we did six as a mid-season replacement, they call it out here, and then we went straight through. The old days was 22 episodes a year.
So we did about a little over six years.

Speaker 2 148.

Speaker 1 Did you? How long?

Speaker 1 went over there, right? Is that where you saw it over there?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I saw it in England. Oh, I love it.
Love it. Did you,

Speaker 2 what was your trajectory on that show in terms of enjoyment? Did you always enjoy it? Was there a bit in the middle where you were like, I've had enough of this, and then you enjoyed it again or what?

Speaker 1 No, you know, I came from SNL

Speaker 1 and it was options, like Dana said, you could do your own show, like the David Spade goofy sitcom. But I had seen that if it didn't work, all your heat's gone.
They don't give you another try.

Speaker 1 So it was an ensemble, a writer from Larry Sanders, Steve Levittan, and a good cast. And the network already liked it.
I joined. They added me to a shot pilot.

Speaker 1 So we re-shot it and added me because NBC was a little fuzzy on they were on the,

Speaker 1 you know, back and forth with it. So I got added to it and I liked it the whole run.
I have to say that it was one of the most fun runs because Everyone,

Speaker 1 they were writing for me, which that's now was not exactly the case. They did in some, some, but you were sort of in charge of it.

Speaker 1 And then you've got everywhere you go is good people, like on your show, I'm sure. And that's always more fun.
And then

Speaker 1 also, it was a little easier than SNL, the hours, and

Speaker 1 it was immediately in a top 20 or top 10. And we were in a heyday of Seinfeld and ER and Will and Grace and Friends and Frasier.
And so

Speaker 1 we were at least in the vicinity. We weren't those shows, but we were with them on the lot with them.
And it was just all fun to see just a good run. I loved it.

Speaker 1 And last thing, and then I'll let you talk at the very end, is

Speaker 1 we had done, everyone had had something in their career was good and bad. And so everyone was really happy to be there and lucky and appreciated it.

Speaker 1 And I think some shows, people get cocky because it's their first show and it works. And so they get sort of out of control.
But we were like,

Speaker 1 every year we got picked up, we're like, this is so great. Because it could all go down to shit.
Everyone knew it.

Speaker 2 What was your last day like?

Speaker 1 Tear Jerker, of course.

Speaker 1 Balling.

Speaker 1 If I knew we were going to do it again in a year, that would have been fun for me.

Speaker 2 Yeah. But

Speaker 1 I guess yours isn't really a reboot because it's sort of just keep going, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's been a big gap.

Speaker 1 Don't tell us any secrets, but

Speaker 1 you got Bill Lawrence who's great.

Speaker 3 He coaches the women's team. That got out.

Speaker 2 Ted does.

Speaker 3 So it makes it sort of puts a spin on.

Speaker 1 He's not nodding or shaking his head. He's giving us nothing.

Speaker 2 I've got a gun to my head.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 I think this is the good thing about Marvel also is they don't even say when they're releasing their movies anymore. It's smart.
They say we did a big one last week. You guys missed it.

Speaker 1 And we're like,

Speaker 1 you're too secretive about it.

Speaker 2 All right, what else?

Speaker 1 What else for this young man, Dana? I know you had a lot, but we got to let him go. And we appreciate you, by the way, way, Brett.
You're shooting a movie. You come in on the weekend.
You help us out.

Speaker 1 We wanted to talk to you for a while. So thank you very much.

Speaker 2 I appreciate you both very much. And I'm genuinely grateful I got to hang out with you.
This is very, uh, very cool for me. So thank you for your time.

Speaker 3 I want you to see me in better lighting, but that'll be, you know, it's fun to see someone on TV playing a character, you know, and then meeting you like this.

Speaker 3 It's just interesting because all I knew was that, you know, character.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So it's,

Speaker 3 I see why you won the Emmys. Compliment alert.

Speaker 1 Good job.

Speaker 3 Compliment alert. Sorry.

Speaker 3 Back to back

Speaker 3 is a super compliment. But anyway, I mean, I can't.
It's your podcast,

Speaker 3 films to be buried with.

Speaker 2 You have thought and you have time. You should both come and do it one day.
I would love to have you. But no pressure.
There's nothing worse than being asked to do a podcast. You're off the hook.

Speaker 3 Oh, I'll do that one in a second. I could talk about movies all day long.

Speaker 3 But I want to know the movie before we go for you

Speaker 3 that moved you the most.

Speaker 2 Well, I talked like E.T. I find traumatic.
Like, I cried the most. Like, I remember my dad taking me and my sister, there was like a re-release of E.T.

Speaker 2 and I was three, four, I don't know, four, five. He took us to see E.T.
at the cinema and he was like, you're going to love this.

Speaker 2 And we were crying so much that I remember turning to him and saying, why have you brought us to this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what is this? This feels like abuse.
This is not.

Speaker 2 There's no fun here. I'm devastated.

Speaker 1 It is pretty rough. If you're younger, I love E.T.

Speaker 3 I'll be right here.

Speaker 2 I have the same build as E.T.

Speaker 1 You know, Brad, not to fuck my special. I talk about E.T.

Speaker 2 of all fucking movies.

Speaker 2 Of all movies.

Speaker 1 Dan Deliverance. It's so random you say that.

Speaker 1 But that one did kind of rough me up too. I get it.
I mean, those movies like that were like Bambi when you're not ready for the beginning part. And you're like, why on who cleared this?

Speaker 2 You know what? My friend Raisine Connerty, if you don't know her, she's a fucking brilliant comedian in England. And

Speaker 2 her father died. And she once said to me, you know, Disney always has these films where the parent dies and things like that.
And people say it's good for kids because it teaches them about death.

Speaker 2 She said that when her dad died, not for a second did she think, well, thank God I saw family.

Speaker 2 No shit.

Speaker 3 That's a really funny line.

Speaker 1 You're like, hey, your mom might die when you're 70, but we'll let you know what it feels like when you're six.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was cruel.

Speaker 2 All right, buddy.

Speaker 3 I would say, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're doing good.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you need any more plugs other than your specials out, Shrinkings Coming Season 2, Ted Lasso season 4,

Speaker 3 and everything else. Your podcast, how you find time to do it? Do you guys do more than one a day or how you stack them?

Speaker 2 No, I just do it. I do it the week.
I don't like free time. I go, I get.

Speaker 1 No, you like to keep it busy.

Speaker 2 I get deep, deep darkness if there's any space. So I just fill it all.
Got it. Huh?

Speaker 3 Well, that's a whole other podcast. We'll have you back

Speaker 2 next year. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Anyway,

Speaker 2 I think about death all the time. Anyway, lovely to see you guys.
Hey, great.

Speaker 1 Death and Darkness coming to you.

Speaker 3 Severely depressed, but Ted Lasso is coming out of the

Speaker 3 Jason Sudakis.

Speaker 2 We'll cheer you up.

Speaker 1 Anyway, tell Jason hello, and good luck with everything with the movie.

Speaker 2 Guys, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 We'll see you around campus.

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Speaker 1 Fly in the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.