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If you don't park over the line, there's no joke.

There's no joke, Jerry.

Jerry!

No show.

I'm just a social mess.

I don't, like, most things I say are,

it's not even offensive.

It's just like, I'd rather not.

Yeah, I mean, it's one of the biggest shows ever.

And it's definitely definitely one of the biggest shows in the world right now, if not like the biggest.

I'm pretty friendly with him.

I mean, I'm not going to say we're BFS, but that's kind of cool.

Yeah, I'm kind of a fan.

I see him on stuff.

And then I ran across him.

We wound up doing a commercial during COVID, right before COVID.

So I definitely got to see if he remembers that.

And we all mostly know him from Fleabag and Stranger Things, of course.

That's Smash.

One of of the biggest hits in the world.

Yeah, Stranger Things.

He's been on the last four seasons.

And I think the new season's coming out this fall.

Yeah.

We'll ask him.

So we got a lot of stuff with him.

He's a super cool, chill dude.

And I make fun of him a little bit, but I always do when I see him.

But he's a real good guy, good sport.

He's on TikTok a lot.

And surprisingly,

does some really like, I don't know if it's out of character or in-character stuff, but it's pretty interesting.

and he's got a lot of followers over there.

It's going to be exciting.

Yeah, he's a good dude, and let's hear from him.

Here he is.

Ready there?

All right.

Our guest today is Brett Galman

from Gelman's Manes.

From Gelman, are you ready for this?

Gelman's over there.

He doesn't understand what we're going to do.

Gelman, Regis.

I mean, I really, but in all seriousness and through all all that stress, I'm so,

I'm so excited to meet you, Dana, and see you, David, and beyond here.

You know, Dana, this is Brett, who's a, you know, business acquaintance of mine.

Yeah.

We could say that, right?

Absolutely.

I mean, I think that, like, we were flirting with friendship.

Yeah.

And I think we should go back to that.

We could start over.

Dane is too tough, but I am available for friendship.

And Dane is far away.

He lives too far.

I'm quasi-agoraphobic, antisocial, picked a weird career.

But yeah, do you ever go through that phase where like you meet someone at a club or whatever, and you're really connecting?

This is dude stuff, not women.

And you're like,

I'll take your number.

And then even text a few more times.

And God, this guy's really funny and smart.

We're having fun.

And then it just stops one day and then you don't it just that's it

um yeah no it happens all the time

that's what we did yeah i think though like that that meeting point

is real like i think you're excited

and then i think

life and like the insanity of our own brains or neurosis starts to take over and if it doesn't take that next step soon enough, it can go in the toilet.

It's more out of sight, out of mind.

Like, I think just logistically brett and i did a uh i said brent that's another one you say brent that's all that happens to me all the time that has to happen to you that's a that's a give up name that's the name where at a certain point i don't correct it yeah

i'm brent

it yeah we did didn't we do a t-mobile commercial or am i crazy yeah we did a t-mobile commercial

right before the pandemic.

Fucking COVID.

I think we were one of the last things I did that was still, I think, there was even whispers: Are we still going to shoot this?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We did it, I think maybe February before March was the bad 2020 situation.

And it was Brett and I in

God, was it?

We were at the, we were at the, not the DMV, no, unemployment office.

Yeah,

and you were an unemployment uh

agent, and I was like in looking for jobs, and then

COVID.

Right.

So, what I heard was, so we do this commercial, which was going to be down during the final four for March Madness.

And it was a big commercial, maybe even 90 seconds, not just a minute.

It was a long one.

And so,

Brad, who I didn't know well or know at all, I just knew of seeing him and stuff, knew he was funny, but then we had a blast.

So, we do the commercial.

It's funny.

It roughly, I don't know if I saw Rough Cut, but I like the the director.

I like the whole thing about it.

I was T-Mobile, it was all good.

And then

COVID hits, they said, we're going to push it because

the final four, I don't know if it's going to happen.

And they started canceling basketball.

Anyway, slowly eroding.

And then like a month later, they go, we're just going to hold it right now because America's not ready for comedy.

And I was like, I don't know if this is Saturday Night Live.

It's a 90-second commerce, but okay.

So then I heard they held it more

and they said, oh, now we can't air it because we realize it's an unemployment setting and people are losing their jobs right now and not no one's working.

And I'm like, okay.

I didn't even get that part.

I was like, oh, I guess it is.

And then

later they go, we're going to air it.

And it was aired as a 15-second Instagram commercial.

Yeah.

So it was cut down to the nub.

I mean, for a commercial, it was really good.

We were funny together.

I loved it.

I mean, 15, we could have, we got every drop out of that 15 seconds.

Is there any way we could find that and show it right now?

I mean, we should because

you can, Greg.

If not, don't worry about it.

Here's my question.

One is, I could see you're on a set and you, you see another person with a kindred spirit, comedian, funny, funny, funny, funny, funny.

And then you're just being comedian, so I'm being really honest.

You know, I have diarrhea or whatever it is.

And then do you kind of tell each other or wink at each other, what are you getting paid to do this commercial?

Did you tell each other that?

No, because I knew that David was probably getting paid way more than I was, and he probably knew that too.

Well, we don't bring up such things on sets.

I didn't bring it up during grown-ups, that's for sure.

Right.

I was like, Adam, this is all favored nations, right?

Right.

Wait, do you bring that up, Dana, when you're on set?

Do you find out what?

Oh, I don't know.

It's almost like a taboo.

It's like a word you shouldn't say, but like celebrity net worth is something I check once in a while.

I don't take it seriously, but the monetary aspect of the magic of show business, the way people perceive it is kind of interesting and how it ebbs and flows.

And where you were in 2020,

you'd broken through.

You became a star.

So I just thought maybe it'd be fairly close, but I can't tell.

David would be the veteran in that scenario.

That was the bummers that Brett was doing great and he's very funny.

And we did a funny commercial.

And it's sad because I go, he and I in a commercial, this would have been a a good one, I thought.

So it was, I was sad to see it go.

Sometimes I shoot stuff and it goes away.

And I go, okay, it was just kind of work.

No, but that was fun.

Jodi Hill directed it.

Oh, is that?

That's right.

Yeah, that's right.

Like from, you know, the whole Danny McBride, David Gordon Green crew, you know,

co-creator of all those shows.

So he was great, but he like also just like.

was very loose and cool and let us do our thing too.

And we had a lot of fun.

He had cool glasses on, too.

I wanted to get those glasses.

And

these glasses?

Well, we'll have to get the band back together.

Not those.

You look cool in glasses, though.

You got a kind of a cool vibe going.

Thanks.

Thanks.

Likewise.

You know, I work at it.

It's one of the things I work at.

I keep it.

Yeah, vibes are, you know,

you can change your vibe.

You can make vibes better.

You can change.

I had a shirt like that once, but then my mom got a job.

Jesus, crowd work.

That was very big.

I won't say the label.

It's like kind of a

no, it's like, it's a fancy label.

Jason Kelsey kind of

stuff.

Very oversized though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't mind it, though.

It's very tent-like.

It's expensive, I think.

Very expensive.

Very.

No, I dumped so much money into this shirt.

It was crazy.

That was your big investment.

It is an investment.

No, you take out,

it appreciates over time.

I know right now, and this sounds like a weird thing, but they are doing, I saw a guy on, listen, it's no bullshit.

It was on TikTok, and he was taking out clothes on layaway, but really blingy, expensive, not necessities.

Like, check this shit out.

And he had all the stuff.

But clothes on layaway has been a while since I've heard that.

I could see if you're stuck, but this guy wasn't stuck.

He's just like, I'm going to blow this shit up with this outfit.

And I thought, whoa, now you're getting in debt with clothes.

That's tough.

That is tough.

No, I mean, not the right call, I don't think.

No, that's like an added.

There's always that when you buy some an expensive article of clothing, there's always that stress that I don't think ever leaves you.

Where you're like, oh man, did I just like is just so stupid and irresponsible that I just bought this this article of clothing but the

stress of putting that on layaway yeah the thing about clothes

I have obviously nice clothing obviously Dana has and we and if I get so excited let's say about a shirt let's just say a shirt then or 300 shirts and I'm and I'm I you know I bring it home and I keep it on the hanger and I'm all excited I'm not going to wear it here I'll wear it here do all that rig and roll then I find out like a year and a half later I'm in a clothing store trying on a new shirt I like and the one I I liked is stuffed on the floor going, I'm like, who gives a shit about this?

Look at this new shirt.

And I'm like, oh, this is the same feeling I had about that one, but now that one's run through the ringer and we've lost something.

We've lost some of the love for it.

Yeah.

You got to get rid of stuff.

You got to get rid of stuff.

You got to clean out the closet.

I mean, you know, of course, you have those choice.

things that you keep forever, but then certain things you got to be like, once you start seeing it is it's too much through the ringer.

No, you got to get rid of it, or it'll when you lose your love.

I do agree with that woman that holds up and goes, you still, what does she say?

She goes,

Spark joy.

She holds it up.

Does this spark joy and you feel it?

And you go, I really like this.

Good memories, keep it.

This one,

dead air.

Nope, out.

This is nothing.

I'm holding on to this.

Clothes are

people.

Like, you can have an unneeded obligation with an article of clothing that is being micro-corrosive to your to your psyche.

Absolutely.

Heavy duty.

I think about this way too much.

Yeah.

I'm going to think about it from now on.

Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should have it.

I once bought a jacket, I think at Barney's for $1,000.

And I could have got the same thing at Target for $88.

I mean, literally the same.

And for years, I referred to it as the $1,000 jacket.

I felt ashamed of it.

I eventually threw it out in anger.

But there is kind of a disease when you first get a little extra money.

And I would ask you,

you kind of buy, did you have a very silly purchase?

Did you get a Porsche?

Did you have any when you first got extra, extra?

I

no, I don't think so.

I'm always afraid that everything is a silly purchase.

You know, that's smart.

I definitely have, again, like splurge clothing where I'm just like, ooh, that's not good.

One silly purchase was I found out it wasn't like a purchase.

This guy that I knew, he had a GoFundMe

and

it was for his dog.

And what I thought it said was, is like, my dog needs surgery.

or it's going to die.

I thought it was like, the dog needs surgery.

So, oh, I'm going to put a, you know,

I had just gotten a big paycheck.

I think I'm like, I'm going to put a good amount of money into this dog's surgery to save this dog.

I love dogs.

But then after I found out

the dog had already had surgery and

he just needed money

because he had paid for his dog's surgery.

Oh, I see.

Which is a completely different thing.

And this guy guy wasn't that good of a friend.

Now I might even consider him

an enemy in a way.

Like, I really don't like him anymore.

It's heading out.

So,

yeah.

You know what he should have put?

He should have called it a go fund me.

And then you just, I just want to have fun.

Yeah.

But I think what

that's great.

Yeah, no, I mean.

That's like a curb your enthusiasm episode.

Yeah, that's right.

It totally

is.

The dog was already fine.

The dog was healed.

If it was a curb episode, I'd go up to him.

I'd be like, hey,

what are you doing?

Like,

I thought your dog needed the surgery.

I thought your dog needed the surgery.

Right.

I'd ask for the money back.

And he would go, I got the surgery, so it's your money.

I put it in the surgery, so I'm filling that hole back.

So it's basically the surgery money.

And then the guy would be an argument.

The guy would be mad that you're asking for it back.

What do you want the money back for?

Right.

That's my best, Larry Davis.

And then, and then, no, I love it.

So, Dana, I'm a five-hour energy guy.

I golf too.

So,

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Right.

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Sugar makes you go up and then you go.

So you want to keep even.

That's what makes you go beep, then it makes you go bop.

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But that's not five-hour energy transfusion.

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Yeah.

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Didn't you do curb?

What did you do on curb?

You did, yeah, I did a short thing on curb

where

I was the pig parker,

and the whole bit, it was a scene where I parked slightly over the line

and he got really mad at me for that.

But it was sort of like

my experience on it was like kind of like a curb episode.

Because at first he thought I was like a total moron.

Yeah.

Because in the rehearsal, I parked, it was a huge car.

I couldn't see over the hood.

So I couldn't see the lines.

So I park and I see him walking towards the car and he's shaking his head.

And I'm like, okay, here we go.

Dream come true.

You know, I'm like doing this with one of my heroes.

And then he's like walking.

She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You see,

you parked perfectly in the space.

And I look and I'm like, oh, no.

And he's like, see, the whole thing is.

You park a little outside of the space.

Pig parker, yeah.

And then that affects everybody else who parks.

And that's why I get mad at you.

I'm like, no, no, no, I promise I'm not stupid.

No, you knew that.

I like he restates the whole thing that you thought you didn't get at all.

You thought you didn't get the joke.

You thought, because I didn't audition, so you thought I was just some stupid, annoying actor

that

didn't understand comedy at all.

It is exactly a curve episode for him to walk up there.

He's explaining the show to you.

And you're like, no, I know.

I just can't see.

If you don't park over the line, there's no joke.

There's no joke, Jerry.

Jerry.

No show.

And then I have this dude.

Then like after the first take,

you know, I mean, he's laughing.

So you're immediately put at ease because you're like, oh, my God.

He's like, he's loving it.

And then

we do like two takes.

The second take goes even better.

And we're laughing together.

And I'm like, holy shit, I'm sharing a laugh with him right now.

And then he, and then I'm like, oh my God, it's so crazy.

It's like we're literally arguing about nothing.

And I, it's, it's like nothing was written coming like a cartoon, like coming out of my mouth.

And I was trying to grab it

before it reached his ears.

Because I was just like, that's the stupidest, cheesiest fucking thing I could say right now.

And he looks at me, he goes, yeah,

stops laughing.

And he's like, yeah, it's pretty much the basis of my whole career.

Yeah,

nothing.

This wasn't clever, this was just nothing.

That's why Larry, who's so sweet, we had him on this show.

And uh, yeah, but he's kind of intimidating because his whole comic genius is seen through everybody and everything into the minutia of what's really happening.

So, it kind of can get in your head a little bit sometimes.

Absolutely, no, and my whole thing is, I am a person to constantly be seen through.

I'm just

I'm just a social mess.

I don't, like, most things I say are,

it's not even offensive.

It's just like, oh, I'd rather not.

I feel like.

Oh, text regret is big.

I mean, text regret in the moment, I'm sending it.

And then you look back and you go, holy shit, that comes off so terrible.

Oh, text regret every single day.

I hate it.

I hate texting so much.

I really, I really do love talking on the phone.

Texting gives me so much anxiety.

And I mostly text because people don't want to talk on the phone, as we know.

You know, Brett, have you ever gotten to the thing where you are texting?

First of all, I can't spell that well, so I do voice notes, but if you're texting and you're going back and forth to someone, it's funny and you're just laughing and you spell two things wrong.

And you've got to go back.

And I'm like, I'm not as quick now because

they think I'm thinking of this joke this whole time and so I and then I see them starting to talk again I'm like no I'm just fixing the joke and I send it they're like oh yeah that's funny now but it would have been funny 30 seconds ago right right it's terrible yeah it's horrible so much stress and the ghosty thing means they're reading your last text right so that's it makes it more urgent holy means they're starting to type no they're typing yeah well that's the dots the dots are on your ass they're coming for you i know they're so fast

It's really not good for taking each other in and listening.

I mean, I know this is a shame thing to say.

You know, it's been said millions of times for the last, what, like 10 years.

But, like, it's not good for communication.

That's why, like, I love your voice notes.

I think that's a better way.

That's fun.

Definitely.

Dana gets too much.

He gets diluged with them.

I got him on them now, too.

I know.

I missed them.

I was getting them.

Was I not replying enough?

was that the thing no you were good i think i think our problem with our dating was you were geographically far from me and it was hard to coordinate a dinner or something in los angeles yeah

okay well i'll come to you let's were you echo park or something yeah

and then it was also covid so it was like hard to

i mean I think you can tell I have medium to a lot of germs, and I think that threw you a little bit

um maybe maybe you were

like maybe giving brett let me ask you this based on you you be feeling like you're a social mess besides the tragedy of the of covet was there anything about the quietness of the pandemic that calmed your brain down because just curious just what show business shut down everything shut down and you just gotta

Like at the in the beginning, it was that thing of like, you ever get like, you know, you get the flu or you get a really really bad cold, and there's almost like something that's a relief about it.

You're like, oh my God, I don't have to do anything.

I can just

like, it gives you the excuse to just fuck.

Yeah, no one expects anything either.

Yeah.

You're like, I can take this time.

And that's what COVID was at times at first.

It was also like, oh, is the world ending?

This is terrifying.

But at first, it was like, okay, yeah, it was just me and my now wife and our dogs.

And

it was calming, but then it became isolating.

I mean, you say you're an agoraphobe, Dana.

Is that calming to you to be alone sometimes?

Does it go between calming and isolating?

No, I just calming, really.

There's so much stimulus.

You know, World War II documentaries on YouTube.

I mean, there's a lot of stuff that's really interesting.

Calming.

I like that.

But

I would just say I'm an introverted extrovert on some scale.

I wouldn't say it's dramatic, but when I go out there in a social situation, I lose energy after a time and want to get quiet.

And other people get energy from parties and things like that.

You know, because when I do stand-up, it's so extroverted, so much energy that it sort of makes me tired.

But I do love it.

yeah.

I think when you know, when I'm extroverted and being really extroverted and it goes well,

like I do a performance or I have a day on set that goes well, or even like I go to a party and I do social, I have a good time,

then I have more energy and I actually have to come down from it.

I have to come down from it.

That's

true, too.

I have a lot of energy.

I have an annoying amount of energy.

When you're shooting and you're giving it 70%,

are you tired

yes

yes

did you work with schwartson what'd you do on pretend time what did you do there we'll get to your we'll get to your other stuff stranger things right i know you're going why aren't you asking me what the fans are begging the season premiere of oh my gosh five the date is just it's all over the web

It's wild.

It's wild.

Stranger Things scared me.

The show itself or like the idea?

Yeah, I was watching it the first season and I was like, is this a scary show?

I thought there was kids in it.

I thought it was like E.T.

or something.

Yeah, I know it's like, it's, I, my,

it is really scary.

I mean, my mother took a while to watch it and I was like,

no, you should watch it.

She's like, is it scary though?

I was like, it's not that scary.

It's not that scary.

And then

like a couple days later, she called me at like three in the morning and like left a voicemail.

I missed her call and she's like brett it's three in the morning here i'm watching the show you said this was not that scary brett yeah this show

is very scary but i can't stop watching it yeah she got it's well done that's the thing i mean those kids like get the shit beat out of them sometimes by demons

by demons yeah yeah demon will just like boom to like a little girl it's like very

intensely violent but like i think it's gotta be in order to have integrity i think have you ever met millie bobby brown yeah yeah yeah i have i don't know how sets work i don't know yeah

no no i mean

i guess

i guess i could have worked out where i didn't like i didn't really i haven't had like

have i had i've had like not even like a scene with her necessarily um

but no i've met her yeah yeah i know mel and those three dudes are the four how there's four dudes three dudes there's four guys four main guys i think i ran into them all at something and they were all pretty cool i like them they're all really cool those kids do have their uh a good good heads on their shoulders absolutely very tough it's such a monster hit that it's probably you're at least somewhat in the business for a while where you can kind of add highs and lows and you probably i'm guessing just appreciate it and it's harder to keep your feet on the ground when it's the first thing you do is like so big yeah i think like the it's always seems to me when i'm like talking to them is that they

they're either naturally that way or they've worked at making sure they stay grounded and they have people around them that keep them grounded and they like all the thing is like i think too

It was kind of like their school, I think.

I know I'm speaking for them, but I think they helped keep each other grounded because they were in this,

you know.

Yeah, they're all about the same age, they're all kind of hanging out.

Yeah, the outside world is, but you know, to leave that, I always compared like friends is like when your first thing works so well, it's really hard to have everything stay in balls in the air the rest of your show biz, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

That'd be, yeah, because, like, for me, the shows are real high

after some other highs, but mostly lows.

And also, we all have things that we loved that we really believed in and meant a lot to us that didn't do well.

So you go through that too, and you learn well, not every, and then we were all in things that

maybe did well that we didn't really dig that much.

So we've had like that whole, all those colors of experiences.

where we can stay right in that like and to keep your confidence level just throughout it all Like, you're still good at it, or you're still a good person.

It's just, and people look at you differently, and then they pay attention, then they don't pay.

That's for younger.

I mean, as an adult, it's hard.

So, if you're younger, I know

showbiz

and you're already dealing with like that type of shit as a kid or as a teenager.

That's just so, so hard and nice.

Yeah, then you add on

how many followers you have, how many

who's more famous on the set.

i mean it's sickening i know

it's true as dana says it's rough out there well i just call it an emotionally violent sport

no it's

really rough it's really

so true it's crazy well we all do it

i i i i think i i didn't want to interrupt sorry but i mean you did so much before this you know i watched researching you know with uh adult Swim and Comedy Central and shows.

You did something with Chris Elliott and all this stuff.

And

you're doing well, but nothing is popping.

And then you get this thing, which I guess is the biggest show by numbers or in the last eight years.

No, absolutely.

Yeah, I mean, it's one of the biggest shows ever.

And it's definitely one of the biggest shows in the world right now, if not like the biggest.

And no, you you really, it's pretty tripped out to like be in other countries and people really know who you are.

And to also be like, oh, this is like kind of the equivalent of what Star Wars was,

the original Star Wars was.

Yeah.

You know, and what those actors were seen as.

And that, like, you're seen as like a part of people's family in a way.

Like, it's, it's pretty wild.

I mean, like, it was this and like fleabag, I'd say Bag was like

in the industry that made it.

Fleabag was a real industry one.

Like, everyone's like,

yes.

Like,

worshiped it.

Awards bait.

Yeah, for sure.

Like, that Emmys and Golden Globes, it was like all eyes on her.

All eyes on her.

Everybody, no matter how big they were.

Everybody was just like, when you were sitting at the table or you were sitting in the seats, you could feel people, everybody in the room watching her.

It was wild.

Yeah, so after all this time in the show business, you got these one, two,

huge, critically

brilliant, and then stranger things.

So, did you have just absolute gratitude?

Were you, I mean,

how do you process this?

Or are you angry about it?

Are you angry?

Why, you know, why didn't people see how brilliant I was 10 years ago?

Oh, yeah, that's right.

You know,

fuck straight through that.

No,

I'm so grateful.

I have nothing but gratitude for it.

Yeah.

No.

You know, Stranger Things is also looked at as sort of a very interesting.

I mean, I think that gets a lot of praise too for being such a cool,

you know, it's not like the fleabag type of show, but it's just a different lens.

You see it and go, shit, they know what they're doing.

You know, oh, yeah, no.

I mean, I think, I think it is artistically,

you know, one of the best things i've ever been a part of and one of the best things out uh

yeah i'm really proud to be a part of it yeah i mean you know if it was big and it was bad i wouldn't i don't know if i would have the gratitude i have i think the the gratitude mostly comes from that i get to be on a really awesome show and then on top of that It's those rare moments where the thing that's really good is also really successful.

Right.

And it looks like you're having a blast.

I was looking at some clips.

Just having a lot, a lot of fun.

It's really fun.

It's like, I mean, playing that character is really like a character I grew up loving, you know?

Like watching like Danny DeVito and like romancing the stone.

It's a great one.

I mean like

just comedic, the comedic relief and the in the big action or sci-fi thing and and that he's kind of a prick and he's grouchy and you know he's the he's the per you know the truthsayer in a way but that nobody likes or wants to be like

and uh yeah i mean it's just like such a kid fantasy of wanting to do this and that being one of the types of things i wanted to do

you do like a year you shoot for a while and then it takes a while to come on and then people like woof it down in like

in like three days and then you go god damn all that work and it's like oh

okay what next i think they watch it like a lot of times, though.

I think, like, the

fans like re-watch it a lot.

It's kind of interesting because it's good in a way you have that break because people just go back and cram it over and over.

No, it's wild.

It's wild.

I mean, like, people are really like, when's it coming?

Like, fans are like pissed.

Yeah.

They're pissed.

Like, they're like, I need it.

I need it.

Yeah.

And,

well, I, you know, I did this show.

They're going to get a little appetizer because

I did this show.

I shot it like two and a half years ago.

And it was with the fleabag producers, actually.

And we shot it in the UK.

It's called Entitled.

And it's like this really crazy gothic horror comedy show.

And Netflix just bought it.

And so it's coming out.

Oh, that's great.

It's Entitled.

July 5th.

Entitled.

Yeah.

If someone said to you the phrase, when it rains, it pours, would you relate to that?

No.

Well,

now you have another show.

You got Fleabake.

He's out of control.

He's had enough.

I'm greedy.

I'm greedy.

I want more.

More.

Or will it go away?

Or is this the peak?

Do you have agents and managers that go, listen, kid, because they're older than you?

We got to plan your next move.

But you've already written and produced.

You're already a self-creative you know how to do all that entity you're not just an actor for hire you have this massive resume of creating your own stuff so thank you you have leverage now though leverage they're going to be happy to see you in the room or they have been for a while i think i mean hey i hope so it's like when you're in the vacuum in your house and you're just like with your people all day It's like hard to see yourself that way.

You're like, and there's so many obstacles

for everything that like it's easy to like not notice the yeses.

So it's like, I'm constantly trying to get so many things moving because I don't know what's going to hit.

The most peaceful time is like when you're making the thing because then it's almost like being sick, you're like, this is all I can do

for it to be good.

So I'm just like on this thing.

And then, but then when you're in the in-between times and all these things are swarming about,

it's real weird.

I mean, like, I feel like certain rooms I can walk into and people are going to be like, yes.

Oh, my God.

What do you got to do?

And there's other rooms I'm going to walk into and people are going to be like,

who the fuck are you?

Who are you?

I'd be curious to ask you this question.

Like, now in 2025, the industry, AI, the strike, the whole thing that went on, and

what are the streamers looking for?

What are they trying to buy?

Just the, because I'm not in that world.

Is it evolved?

Is it changed?

How would you describe it right now?

I don't know i really don't know i mean like you always hear all these things that people are saying but then you don't see the industry really change all that much in terms of like what they're buying and what works it always seems like what hits is like is not what

yeah it's always off the beaten path then they go now we go chase that So let's do a stranger things.

And you're like, that's been done.

And it came out of the blue.

And then something pops up over here and they go, no, that's what we should be be doing like nobody wanted stranger things

and like the ducker brothers were like you can't have the leads be kids and like all the all the stuff

and then you know netflix was young yeah and it was just like all these things lined up for it to become a massive hit in that moment and i think that's all yeah you know you never know i pitched kids and monsters to ted sarandos in 2014

and he just got real quiet and said oh oh, we'll talk later.

I never heard from him.

And then I saw Stranger Things.

I went, huh?

No, because Dana added, he said, it's a poorly written show about kids and monsters and Ted Sarandra.

Kids and monsters.

But back then, they wanted poorly written.

Yeah.

That was their chasing.

I like when you, you know, you're doing well when your agent's like, what do you want to do now?

Did you have you written anything?

What dream, Brett?

What do you want to do now?

Yeah.

Drama, you're like a cross between David Cross and Paul Giometti.

So we got Giamatti.

You're garbled, kid.

I'm telling you.

I look better than those two, though, right?

I mean, I'm

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Right.

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I'm working on T-Mobile, the movie.

And also, like, this thing you wrote.

Yeah.

I like when your mom calls you.

She goes three in the morning.

She goes, Brent.

Right.

And you even let her say brent you're like that's the first time that she's called me at three in the morning and not called me bread

hey bread that was the one positive thing about that message you know other than that she was watching the show of course

what did you do with

nick swartson because i know this is sort of a low light in your career um nick swartson who's a friend of ours i love

you on pretend time with him yeah i love that show i love it yeah

no i mean

that was one of those,

you know, like Nick was one of those people, you know, you got on that show and I was like, okay, I'm doing okay.

Yeah.

Did you know Nick before that?

Because I know him.

And he's like, if I say I saw, he goes, he's a really good friend of mine.

I'm like, all right, that's enough.

I didn't know him like incredibly well, but like, you know, I would see him perform and stuff.

And I would, I was like, this guy's so funny.

And he was so nice.

He is funny.

I hate to say it.

He's funny.

Sweet.

Yeah.

Nice guy.

Yeah, he's a sweetheart.

It meant a lot that he put me on the show.

Yeah.

All right, Dana.

What do you want to?

What do you got for this guy?

Anything else?

This guy's been a good guy.

The resume is so big.

I mean, too much of a resume.

Eagle Heart with Chris Elliott, who I think is brilliant, and Conan

produced that.

I assume.

How long did that go?

That was 2011 to 2014, three years or something?

It was like three seasons.

I mean, you know, Chris, I think, is one of the funniest people of all time.

Oh, for sure.

And I mean, Chris made me tough, man.

I mean, Chris, he likes,

wow, it really felt like a lot of times that the show that we were filming was the break, and

that the actual show is what was happening in between the takes.

A lot of times

it was like crazy, crazy, elaborate bits, mostly of him

telling me how terrible I was.

And that like, at times I was like, I think that this is a joke, but even if it's not, it's so funny.

It's so funny.

And

I mean, to like, I mean, the genius of the guy, I mean, it really like, and then, you know, the guys who made that, Jason Wallner and Michael Komen and

Andrew Weinberg, they were such fans of his and like knew his voice so well.

And it was like, I mean, it was, you know, they idolized get a life and they idolized all the Letterman bits.

So it was like taking that and putting it in this Walker Texas Ranger type of world that was

completely insane.

Completely insane.

And I loved playing, I mean, it was, I learned a lot from working with him and watching him.

Yeah.

Yeah, he is good.

I grew up watching him on Letterman and just thinking, it's such an odd move.

Like, if you don't know comedy and I was growing up going,

is this real?

Like, it's kind of fun to watch that stuff and then start to like it.

No, I mean, like, some of the stuff he made, he did, like, made like

Andy Kaufman stuff look mainstream.

I was going to bring up Andy Kaufman.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I like him better.

Yeah.

He's what I, he's what I call too funny.

Like sometimes you, you, you can't laugh.

You laugh later.

Like he did a one-man show.

Was he playing George Washington or something?

FDR.

FDR, sorry.

Yeah.

And that's the kind of thing you're watching it.

It's like, it's so fucking funny that you have, you're laughing later.

You can't.

There's so many, like, there's like, he, he does something where it's like, there's four funny things, half different funny things happening at the same time almost.

It's so like

nutrient dense that you're like, you're processing it.

Nutrient dense.

It's so pointedly passive-aggressive about people

self-right or self-congratulatory people doing one-man shows, you know.

Oh my god.

Drippingly, sarcastically, aggressively parodying that.

No, that was like, yeah, that's his like big thing is like he thinks show business is

stupid and self-important, ridiculous.

And it's like his whole thing is making fun of show business.

And it's like, as good of an actor as he is too

he's also he's doing great acting and then also making fun of acting

kind of against the system yeah yes true rebel yeah the funniest i mean really he made there was one time where

it was this long bit it was so hot and i was like in this table and My

character's legs had been severed and they've built this apparatus and they made me stay in the table and it was too complicated to get out of the table and we're in this like

warehouse in santa clarita where they're like hosing in a sea it's not like meant to be filming in and like

i'm already a sweaty guy and i'm just sweating so much and then

And then he comes up, he's like, ooh, you smell like duty.

And

he made like, he had the whole crew.

He's like, everybody, check out how much Brett smells like duty.

And he had the whole crew and cast line up and smell me.

And then, and I was laughing hysterically.

And then

this was an important moment in our friendship, I think.

And then I went into my trailer later that day and he had taken underwear and drawn with the magic marker, Brown in the ass.

And

I laughed so hard.

And it was like a test to see, are you going to like get upset about this?

Are you going to think it's funny?

And because I thought it was funny, it made us get a lot closer.

Well, he sounds like a delight to work with based on

a delight.

A delight.

It was just like great.

Maybe it was a Svengali kind of way to get you to relax.

I think so.

I mean,

we had already been doing so many like hostile bits and stuff like that that I think he knew that I don't think it was funny.

Yeah.

Does it sound like abusive?

Does that sound like abusive?

No,

I've heard stranger things, but my point is this.

I had to take that.

It's eccentric.

You'd have to be there.

I'd have to be there in the moment to know if it was aggressive or funny.

We'll decide.

So what you're saying is it's an

uncomfortable story.

Yeah.

Right?

Well, I've got some Mickey Rooney stories that we'll save for the next time we have you on.

But yes.

But no,

I've worked with Chris on SNL.

And yeah, that's him being funny.

Yeah.

I don't think.

That's his sense of humor.

And he knew that you would think it was funny, too.

Exactly.

David,

final comment?

I just did something with Chris, and he was

very mellow the whole time.

So

I think he didn't think I was funny enough to rub my underpants.

Do you think so?

No, we weren't on the set long enough.

We only did a day or two, but

definitely.

But if

your scenario was different, but he was perfectly fine.

He got my dress.

I was hosting SNL and he got the church late get up.

During rehearsal, it wasn't even in the sketch.

He came.

Oh, hey, and that's Fischl out of the church, bitch.

How are you?

And then he threw a shoe at me.

I said, Chris.

And Lauren came in, Chris, please.

That's just you.

It's too far.

Pretty far.

All right.

Thank you, Brett.

I love you.

Thank you, bud.

Thank you, guys.

Oh, we're showing a quick photo before we leave.

Oh, that's

that's already funny, the get up that you have on, Brett.

It's funny already.

It's short.

I look really hot in that picture.

You do look like you would be one of the YMCA guys.

You'd be another character in that.

You know who I look like, Dana?

If you could see me straight on people.

Michael Douglas and Falling Down.

I have those kind of glasses on.

But we just kind of fucked around, and it was a lot of laughs.

At least the whole shoot was fun.

It was really fun.

But thank you, boss.

Appreciate you talking to us.

Pleasure.

Thanks, Fred.

No, we're going to.

It's so great being on here.

And

I got to have you guys on my podcast sometime.

What the hell is that?

What's it called?

I do it with my wife.

It's called Neurotica.

Neurotica.

Yeah, my wife.

I'd be happy to be happy to come on.

I have earbuds.

I have a technical thing set up.

I have an echo set up in my room.

No, part of the thing on our thing is that it's technically a mess the whole time.

You barely hear

it at the end of it.

Yeah, it doesn't work.

That's all right.

I think that's fine.

Okay, well, he just took off, Dana.

You guys chatted a little bit after.

We did a little bit.

Yeah.

That was interesting how you guys were almost best friends.

That was an interesting moment.

Yeah, we're going to pick it up.

We're going to pick it up again.

Yeah.

Because

we had a good run that day on the shoot.

The old T-Mobile commercial they can't stop talking about,

which they might bring back.

And there's some whispers right now.

Is it okay for me to say I would love to see it?

Is that too much?

I wonder if we get, I don't know if we have a regular version of it, but we could play it.

We'll look into that.

I'm sure it takes one Google search.

I've noticed a pattern with some of our guests that are doing very well and show business.

A lot of aweshs, you know, sincere humility about it.

So

that was, that was kind of Brett.

And I think that's people that he's liked that anyway.

And also he's

had the stuff that worked, didn't work, worked medium, worked a lot, like everybody.

So he's like on a big one and it's pretty exciting.

So I mean, the most extreme in my lifetime was Eddie Murphy, Murphy, essentially, right out of a high school senior.

I guess he was 19

when he came out on SNL, and it just went

19.

I mean, you made it at

20 and two months, and that was a lifetime beyond Eddie Murphy.

20 and two months.

No, I was grinding out for free drinks doing stand-up bands.

You got a cameo in a movie, and then you went back to the grind of opening.

I like when they go,

if you go on, you get two free drinks, but even that feels like too much.

I don't remember working for alcohol.

I honestly don't.

Anyway, that's another story.

This is Brett, and I'm glad you guys liked it.

I hope you did.

And listen to me.

This was Brett, and my name is officially Brett.

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