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Speaker 2 If you don't park over the line, there's no joke. There's no joke, Jerry.

Speaker 1 Jerry!

Speaker 1 No show.

Speaker 2 I'm just a social mess. I don't...

Speaker 2 Most things I say are,

Speaker 2 it's not even offensive. It's just like,

Speaker 2 I'd rather not. Yeah, I mean, it's one of the biggest shows

Speaker 2 ever.

Speaker 2 And it's definitely one of the biggest shows in the world right now, if not like the biggest.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty friendly with him. I mean, I'm not going to say we're BFS, but.

Speaker 2 That's kind of cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm kind of a fan. I see him on stuff.
And then I ran across him. We wound up doing a commercial during COVID, right before COVID.
So I definitely got to see if he remembers that.

Speaker 1 And we all mostly know him from Fleabag

Speaker 1 and Stranger Things, of course. That's Smash.

Speaker 2 One of the biggest hits in the world. Yeah, Stranger Things.
He's been on the last four seasons. And I think the new

Speaker 2 season's coming out this fall. Yeah.

Speaker 2 We'll ask him.

Speaker 1 So we got a lot of stuff with him. He's a super cool, chill dude.
And I make fun of him a little bit. But I always do when I see him.
But he's a real good guy, good sport. He's on TikTok a lot.

Speaker 1 And surprisingly,

Speaker 1 does some really like, I don't know if it's out of character or in-character stuff, but it's... Pretty interesting.
And he's got a lot of followers over there.

Speaker 2 It's going to be exciting.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's a good dude.
And let's hear from him. Here he is.

Speaker 2 Brettie, there.

Speaker 2 All right. Our guest today is Brett Galman

Speaker 1 from Gelman's Manets.

Speaker 2 From Gelman, are you ready for this? Gelman's over there. He doesn't understand what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 Gelman reaches.

Speaker 2 I mean, I really, but in all seriousness and through all that stress,

Speaker 2 I'm so excited to meet you, Dana, and see you, David, and be on here.

Speaker 1 You know, Dana,

Speaker 1 this is Brett, who's a, you know, business acquaintance of mine.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 We could say that, right? Absolutely. I mean, I think that, like, we were flirting with friendship.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think we should go back to that.

Speaker 1 We could start over. Dane is too tough, but I am available for friendship.
And Dana is far away. He lives too far.

Speaker 2 I'm quasi-agoraphobic, antisocial, picked a weird career. But yeah, do you ever go through that phase where, like, you meet someone at a club or whatever, and you're really connecting?

Speaker 2 This is dude stuff, not women. And you're like, hey, I'll take your number.
And then even text a few more times. And God, this guy's really funny and smart.
You're having fun.

Speaker 2 And then it just stops one day. And then you don't, it just, that's it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, it happens all the time.

Speaker 2 That's what we did. Yeah.
I think, though, like that that meeting point

Speaker 2 is real. Like, I think you're excited.

Speaker 2 And then I think

Speaker 2 life and like the insanity of our own brains or neurosis starts to take over.

Speaker 2 And if it doesn't take that next step soon enough, it can go in the toilet.

Speaker 1 It's more out of sight, out of mind. Like, I think just logistically, Brett and I did a, I said Brent.

Speaker 2 That's another one. When you say Brent, that's all.
That happens to me all the time.

Speaker 1 That has to happen to you.

Speaker 2 That's a give up name. That's the name where at a certain point I don't correct it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm Brent. Fuck it.

Speaker 1 Didn't we do a T-Mobile commercial or am I crazy?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we did a T-Mobile commercial

Speaker 2 right before the pandemic.

Speaker 1 Fucking COVID. I think we were one of the last things I did.
That was still, I think there's even whispers like, are we still going to shoot this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did it.

Speaker 1 I think maybe February before March was the bad 2020 situation. And it was Brett and I in,

Speaker 1 God, was it, we were at the, we were at the, not the DMV, no, unemployment office.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you were an unemployment

Speaker 2 agent and I was like in looking for jobs and then

Speaker 2 COVID happened.

Speaker 1 Right. So what I heard was, so we do this commercial, which was going to to be on during the final four for March Madness.
And it was a big commercial, maybe even 90 seconds, not just a minute.

Speaker 1 It was a long one. And so

Speaker 1 Brad, who I didn't know well or know at all, I just knew of seeing him and stuff, knew he was funny, but then we had a blast. So we do the commercial.
It's funny.

Speaker 1 It roughly, I don't know if I saw Rough Cut, but I like the director. I like the whole thing about it.
I was. Team Mobile, it was all good.
And then

Speaker 1 COVID hit. So they said, we're going to push it because

Speaker 1 the final four, I don't know if it's going to happen. And they started canceling basketball.
Anyway, slowly eroding.

Speaker 1 And then like a month later, they go, we're just going to hold it right now because America's not ready for comedy. And I was like, I don't know if this is Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 1 It's a 90-second commercial, but okay.

Speaker 1 So then I heard they held it more.

Speaker 1 And they said, oh, now we can't air it because we realize it's an unemployment setting and people are losing their jobs right now. And not no one's working.
And I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 I didn't even get that part. I was like, oh, I guess it is.
And then,

Speaker 1 and then later they go, we're going to air it. And it was aired as a 15-second Instagram commercial.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it was cut down to the nub.

Speaker 2 I mean, for a commercial, it was really good. We were funny together.

Speaker 1 I loved it. I mean, 15, we could have, we got every drop out of that 15 seconds.

Speaker 2 Is there any way we could find that and show it right now?

Speaker 1 I mean, we should because American. If you can, Greg.

Speaker 2 If not, don't worry about it. Here's my question.
One is, I could see you're on a set and you, you see another person with a kindred spirit, comedian, funny, funny, funny, funny, funny.

Speaker 2 And then you're just being comedian, so being really honest. You know, I have diarrhea or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 And then do you kind of tell each other or wink at each other, what are you getting paid to do this commercial? Did you tell each other that?

Speaker 2 No, because I knew that David was probably getting paid way more than I was, and he probably knew that too.

Speaker 1 Well, we don't bring up such things on sets. I didn't didn't bring it up during grown-ups, that's for sure.
Right.

Speaker 1 I was like, Adam, this is all favored nations, right?

Speaker 2 Right. Wait, do you bring that up, Dana, when you're on set? Do you find out what?

Speaker 2 Oh, I don't know. I'm, you know, it's almost like a taboo.
It's like a word you shouldn't say, but like

Speaker 2 celebrity net worth is something I check once in a while.

Speaker 2 I don't take it seriously, but, you know, the monetary aspect of the magic of show business, the way people perceive it, is kind of interesting and and how it ebbs and flows.

Speaker 2 And where you were in 2020,

Speaker 2 you'd broken through. You became a star.
So I just thought maybe it'd be fairly close, but I can't tell. David would be the veteran in that scenario.

Speaker 1 That was the bummers that Brett was

Speaker 1 doing great and he's very funny. And we did a funny commercial.
And it's sad because I go, he and I in a commercial, this would have been. a good one, I thought.
So it was, I was sad to see it go.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I shoot stuff and it goes away and I go, okay, it was just kind of work.

Speaker 2 No, but that was that was fun jodi hill directed it oh is that that's right yeah that's right like from you know the whole danny mcbride david gordon green crew you know

Speaker 2 uh co-creator of all those shows

Speaker 1 so he he was great but he like also just like was very loose and cool and let us do our thing too and we had just cool glasses on too i wanted to get those glasses and uh uh these glasses well we'll have to get the band back together not those you look cool in glasses though You got a kind of a cool vibe going.

Speaker 2 Thanks. Thanks.
Likewise. You know, I work at it.

Speaker 2 It's one of the things I work at.

Speaker 1 I keep it. Yeah, vibes are, you know, you can change your vibe.

Speaker 1 You can make vibes better.

Speaker 2 You can change.

Speaker 2 I had a shirt like that once, but then my mom got a job.

Speaker 2 Jesus, crowd work.

Speaker 2 That was true. That's really big.

Speaker 2 I won't say the label. It's like kind of a

Speaker 2 no, it's like, it's a fancy label. Jason Kelsey kind of

Speaker 2 very comfortable. It's very oversized stuff.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't mind it, though. It's very tent-like.

Speaker 1 It's expensive, I think.

Speaker 2 Very expensive. Very.

Speaker 2 No, I dumped so much money into this shirt. It was crazy.

Speaker 1 That was your big investment?

Speaker 2 It is an investment. No, you take out,

Speaker 2 it appreciates over time.

Speaker 1 I know right now, and this sounds like a weird thing, but they are doing, I saw a guy on, listen, it's no bullshit.

Speaker 1 It was on TikTok and he was taking out clothes on layaway, but really blingy, expensive, not necessities. Like, check this shit out.
And he had all this stuff.

Speaker 1 But clothes on layaway has been a while since I've heard that. I could see if you're stuck, but this guy wasn't stuck.
He's just like, I'm going to blow this shit up with this outfit.

Speaker 1 And I thought, whoa, now you're getting in debt with clothes. That's tough.

Speaker 2 That is tough.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, not the right call, I don't think.

Speaker 2 No, that's like an ad. There's always that when you buy some, an expensive article of clothing, there's always that stress that I don't think ever leaves you.

Speaker 2 We were like, oh, man, did I just like, it's just so stupid and irresponsible that I just just bought this article of clothing. But that

Speaker 2 stress of putting that on layaway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The thing about clothes, i have obviously nice clothing obviously dana has and we and if i get so excited let's say about a shirt let's just say a shirt then or 300 shirts and i'm and i'm i you know i bring it home and i keep it on the hanger and i'm all excited i'm not going to wear it here i'll wear it here do all that rig and roll then i find out like a year and a half later i'm in a clothing store trying on a new shirt i like And the one I liked is stuffed on the floor going, I'm like, who gives a shit about this?

Speaker 1 Look at this new shirt. And I'm like, oh, this is the same feeling I had about that one.
But now that one's run through the ringer and we've lost something. We've lost some of the love for it.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You got to get rid of stuff. You got to get rid of stuff.
You got to clean out the closet. I mean, you know, of course, you have those choice things that you keep forever, but then certain things.

Speaker 2 You got to be like, once you start seeing it, is it's too much through the ringer.

Speaker 2 No, you got to get rid of it.

Speaker 1 When you lose your love, I do agree with that woman that holds up and goes, you still, what does it she say? She goes,

Speaker 1 spark joy.

Speaker 1 She holds it up. Does this spark joy? And you feel it, and you go, I really like this.
Good memories. Keep it.

Speaker 2 This one, dead air.

Speaker 1 Nope. Out.

Speaker 2 This is nothing. I'm holding on to this.
Clothes are

Speaker 2 people. Like, you can have an unneeded obligation with an article of clothing that is being micro-corrosive to your psyche.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Heavy duty. I think about this way too much.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm going to think about it from now on. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you should have it. I once bought a jacket, I think at Barney's, for $1,000.
And I could have got the same thing at Target for $88.

Speaker 2 I mean, literally the same. And for years, I referred to it as the $1,000 jacket.
I felt ashamed of it. I eventually threw it out in anger.

Speaker 2 But there is kind of a disease when you first get a little extra money. And I would ask you,

Speaker 2 you kind of buy, did you have a very silly purchase? Did you get a Porsche?

Speaker 2 Did you have any when you first got extra, extra?

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 no, I don't think so. I'm always afraid that everything is a silly purchase, you know? That's smart.

Speaker 2 I definitely have, again, like splursh.

Speaker 2 clothing where I'm just like, ooh, that's not good. One, one silly purchase was I found out it wasn't like a purchase this guy that i knew he had to go fund me

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 and it was for his dog and what i thought it said was is like my dog needs surgery or it's gonna die i thought it was like the dog needs surgery so oh i'm gonna put a you know

Speaker 2 a

Speaker 2 I had just gotten a big paycheck. I think I'm like, I'm going to put a good amount of money into this dog's surgery to save this dog.
I love dogs. But then after I found out

Speaker 2 the dog had already had surgery, and I he just needed money

Speaker 2 because he had paid for his dog's surgery.

Speaker 1 Oh, I see.

Speaker 2 Oh, which is a completely different thing. Yeah.
And this guy wasn't that good of a friend. Now I might even consider him

Speaker 2 an enemy in a way. I Like I really don't like him anymore.
It's heading up. So,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what he should have put? He should have called it a GoFundMe. And then you just, I just want to have fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I think what

Speaker 2 that's great. Yeah, no, I mean.

Speaker 2 That's like a curb your enthusiasm episode. Yeah.
That's right.

Speaker 2 The dog was already fine.

Speaker 2 The dog was healed.

Speaker 2 If it was a curb episode, I'd go up to him. I'd be like, hey,

Speaker 2 what are you doing? Like,

Speaker 2 I thought your dog needed the surgery. If I had needed the surgery,

Speaker 2 I'd ask for the money back.

Speaker 1 And he would go, I got the surgery, so it's your money. I put it in the surgery, so I'm filling that hole back.
So it's basically the surgery money.

Speaker 2 And then the guy would

Speaker 2 be mad. The guy would be mad that you're asking for it back.
What do you want the money back for?

Speaker 2 Right.

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Speaker 2 You did yeah,

Speaker 2 I did a short thing on curb

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 2 I was the pig parker and the whole bit, it was a scene where I parked slightly over the line.

Speaker 2 And he got really mad at me for that. But it was sort of like,

Speaker 2 my experience on it was like kind of like a curb episode because at first I thought I was like a total moron.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Because in the rehearsal, I parked, it was a huge car.
I couldn't see over the hood, so I couldn't see the lines. So I park and I see him walking towards the car and he's shaking his head.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, okay, here we go. Dream come true.
You know, I'm like doing this with one of my heroes. And

Speaker 2 then he's like walking. She's like, no, no no no no no no you see

Speaker 2 you parked perfectly in the space

Speaker 2 and i'm and i look and i'm like oh no

Speaker 2 and and he's like see the whole thing is

Speaker 2 you park a little outside of the space pig parker yeah and then that affects everybody else who parks and that's why i get mad at you i'm like no no no i promise i'm not stupid no you knew that i like he restates the whole thing that you thought you didn't get it all you thought you didn't get the joke

Speaker 2 you thought because I didn't audition, so you thought I was just some stupid, annoying actor

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 didn't understand comedy at all.

Speaker 1 It is exactly a curve episode for him to walk up there. He's explaining the show to you and you're like, no, I know.
I just can't see.

Speaker 2 If you don't punk over the line, there's no joke. There's no joke, Jerry.

Speaker 1 Jerry.

Speaker 1 No show.

Speaker 2 And then I had this too. Then like after the first tape, you know, I mean, he's laughing.
So, you're immediately put at ease because you're like, oh my God, he's like, he's loving it.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 we do like two takes. The second take goes even better.
And we're laughing together. And I'm like, holy shit, I'm sharing a laugh with him right now.

Speaker 2 And then he, and then I'm like, oh my God, it's so crazy. It's like we're literally arguing about nothing.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it's like nothing was written, coming like a cartoon like coming out of my mouth. And I was trying to grab it

Speaker 2 before it reached his ears.

Speaker 2 Because I was just like, that's the stupidest, cheesiest fucking thing I could say right now.

Speaker 2 And he looks at me, goes, yeah,

Speaker 2 stops laughing. And he's like, yeah, it's pretty much the basis of my whole career.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nothing. This wasn't clever.
This was just nothing.

Speaker 2 That's why Larry, who's so sweet, we had him on this show.

Speaker 2 But he's kind of intimidating because his whole comic genius is seen through everybody and everything into the minutiae of what's really happening.

Speaker 2 So it kind of can get in your head a little bit sometimes. Absolutely.
No, my whole thing is, is I am a person to constantly be seen through.

Speaker 2 I'm just a social mess. I don't, like, most things I say are,

Speaker 2 it's not even offensive. It's just like, oh, I'd rather not.
I feel like. Oh, text regret is big.
I mean, text regret in the moment, I'm sending it.

Speaker 2 And then you look back and you go, holy shit, that comes off so terrible.

Speaker 2 Text regret every single day. I hate it.
I hate texting so much. I really, I really do love talking on the phone.

Speaker 2 Texting gives me so much anxiety. And I mostly text because people don't want to talk on the phone, as we know.

Speaker 1 You know, Brett, have you ever gotten to the thing where you are texting? First of all, I can't spell that well, so I do voice notes.

Speaker 1 But if you're texting and you're going back and forth to someone, it's funny and you're just laughing and you spell two things wrong and you've got to go back.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I'm not as quick now because

Speaker 1 they think I'm thinking of this joke this whole time. And so I, and then I see them starting to talk again.
I'm like, no, I'm just fixing the joke. And I send it.

Speaker 1 They're like, oh, yeah, that's funny now, but it would have been funny 30 seconds ago.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 2 It's terrible. Yeah, it's horrifying.
So much stress. And the ghosty thing means they're reading your last text, right? So that's what makes it more urgent.
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 That means they're starting to type. Oh, they're typing.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, that's

Speaker 1 the dots. They're fucking on your ass.
They're coming for you.

Speaker 2 I know. They're so fast.
Yeah. It's really not good for taking each other in and listening.
I mean, I know this is a shame thing to say.

Speaker 2 You know, it's been said millions of times for the last, what, like 10 years. But, like, it's not good for communication.
That's why, like, I love your voice notes. I think that's a better way.

Speaker 2 That's fun.

Speaker 2 Definitely.

Speaker 1 Dana gets too much. He gets diluged with them.
I got him on them now, too.

Speaker 2 I know. I missed them.
I was getting them. It was, was I not replying enough? Was that the thing? No, you were good.

Speaker 1 I think, I think our problem with our dating was you were geographically far from me, and it was hard to coordinate a dinner or or something.

Speaker 2 In Los Angeles?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. Well, I'll come to you.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 Were you at Echo Park or something?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then it was also COVID. So it was like hard to.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think you can tell I have medium to a lot of germs. And I think that threw you a little bit.

Speaker 2 Maybe. Maybe you were

Speaker 2 giving. Brett, let me ask you this based on you feeling like you're a social mess.
Besides the tragedy of the COVID, was there anything about the quietness of the pandemic that calmed your brain down?

Speaker 2 Because, just curious, just what show business shut down, everything shut down, and you just gotta

Speaker 2 like in the beginning, it was that thing of like, you ever get like you know, you get the flu or you get a really bad cold,

Speaker 2 and there's almost like something that's a relief about it. You're like, oh my god, I don't have to do anything.
I can just

Speaker 2 like it gives you the excuse to just fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no one expects anything either.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And you're like, I can take this time.

Speaker 2 And that's what COVID was at times at first. It was also like, oh, is the world ending? This is terrifying.
But

Speaker 2 at first, it was like, okay, yeah, it was just me and my now wife and our dogs.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it was calming, but then it became isolating.

Speaker 2 I mean, you say you're an agoraphobe, Dana.

Speaker 2 Is that calming to you to be alone sometimes? Does it go between calming and isolating?

Speaker 2 No, I'm just calming, really.

Speaker 2 There's so much stimulus. You know, World War II documentaries on YouTube.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff that's really interesting.

Speaker 1 I watch calming.

Speaker 2 I like that. But

Speaker 2 I would just say I'm an introverted extrovert on some scale. I wouldn't say it's dramatic, but when I go out there in a social situation, I lose energy after a time and want to get quiet.

Speaker 2 And other people get energy from parties and things like that.

Speaker 2 Because when I do stand-up, it's so extroverted, so much energy that it sort of makes me tired. But I do love it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think

Speaker 2 when I'm extroverted and being really extroverted. And it goes well, like I do a performance or I have a day on set that goes well, or even like I go to a party and I do social, I have a good time.

Speaker 2 Then I have more energy and I actually have to come down from it. I have to come down from it.
That's

Speaker 2 true, too.

Speaker 2 I have a lot of energy. I have an annoying amount of energy.

Speaker 1 When you're shooting and you're giving it 70%,

Speaker 1 are you tired?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Did you work with Schwartzen? What'd you do on pretend time? What'd you do there?

Speaker 1 We'll get to your other stuff. Stranger Things.

Speaker 1 I know you're going. Why aren't you asking me what the fans are begging for?

Speaker 2 The season premiere of

Speaker 2 25. The date is just, it's all over the web.

Speaker 2 It's wild.

Speaker 1 It's wild. Stranger Things scared me.

Speaker 2 The show itself or like the idea?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was watching it the first season and I was like, is this a scary show? I thought there was kids in it. I thought it was like E.T.

Speaker 2 or something.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, it's like, it's, I, my, my,

Speaker 2 it is really scary. I mean, my mother took a while to watch it.
And I was like,

Speaker 2 no, you should watch it. She's like, is it scary though? I was like, it's not that scary.
It's not that scary.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 like a couple days later, she called me at like three in the morning and like left a voicemail. I missed her call.
And she's like, Brett, it's three in the morning here. I'm watching the show.

Speaker 2 You said this was not that scary, Brett. This show

Speaker 2 is very

Speaker 2 scary, but I can't stop watching it. Yeah, she got it.

Speaker 1 It's well done. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 I mean, those kids get the shit beat out of them sometimes by demons.

Speaker 2 By demons.

Speaker 2 A demon will just like boom to like a little girl. It's like very

Speaker 2 intensely violent, but like, I think it's got to be in order to

Speaker 2 have integrity, I think.

Speaker 1 Have you ever met Millie Bobby Brown?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 I don't know how sets work. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 2 I guess I could have worked out where I didn't. Like, I didn't really, I haven't had like, have I had, I've had like not even like a scene with her necessarily.

Speaker 2 But no, I've met her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know Millie. And those three dudes are the four.
How were there four dudes? Three dudes?

Speaker 2 There's four guys, four main guys.

Speaker 1 I think I ran into them all at something and they were all pretty cool. I like them.

Speaker 2 They're all really cool. Those kids do have their

Speaker 2 good heads on their shoulders. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Very tough. It's such a monster hit that it's probably

Speaker 1 you're at least somewhat in the business for a while where you can kind of add highs and lows and you probably, I'm guessing, just appreciate it.

Speaker 1 And it's harder to keep your feet on the ground when it's the first thing you do is like so big.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think like the, it always seems to me when I'm like talking to them is that they're they're either naturally that way or they've worked at making sure they stay grounded and they have people around them that keep them grounded they like all the thing is like I think too

Speaker 2 it was kind of like their school I think

Speaker 2 I know I'm speaking for them but I think they helped keep each other grounded because they were in this

Speaker 1 you know yeah they're all about the same age they're all kind of hanging out yeah the outside world is but you know to leave that I always compared like friends is like, when your first thing works so well, it's really hard to have everything stay in balls in the air the rest of your show biz, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because like for me, the shows are real high after some other highs, but mostly lows.

Speaker 2 And also, we all have things that we loved that we really believed in and meant a lot to us that didn't do well.

Speaker 2 So you go through that too and you learn well not every and then we were all in things that

Speaker 1 maybe did well that we didn't really dig that much so we've had like that whole all those colors of experiences where we can stay right in that like and to keep your confidence level just throughout it all like you're still good at it or you're still a good person it's just and people look at you differently and then they pay attention then they don't pay it's that's for younger i mean as an adult it's hard so if you're younger i know

Speaker 2 shows and you're already dealing with like that type of shit as a kid or as a teenager that's just so social

Speaker 1 yeah then you add on showbiz how many followers you have how many

Speaker 1 who's more famous on the set

Speaker 1 i mean it's sickening i know

Speaker 2 it's same as dana says it's rough out there well i just call it an emotionally violent sport.

Speaker 2 No, it's fucking really rough. It's really

Speaker 2 crazy. Well, we all do it.

Speaker 2 I think I don't want to interrupt. Sorry, but I mean, you did so much before this.
You know, I watched researching, you know, with Adult Swim and Comedy Central and shows.

Speaker 2 You did something with Chris Elliott and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you're doing well, but nothing is popping. And then you get this thing, which I guess is the biggest show by numbers or in the last 80 years.

Speaker 2 No, absolutely. Yeah.
I mean, it's one of the biggest shows ever.

Speaker 2 And it's definitely one of the biggest shows in the world right now, if not like the biggest.

Speaker 2 And no, you really, it's pretty tripped out to like be in other countries. and people really know who you are and to also be like, oh, this is like kind of the equivalent of what star wars was

Speaker 2 the original star wars was yeah you know and what those actors were seen as and that like you're seen as like a part of people's family in a way like it's it's pretty wild i mean like it was this and like fleabag i'd say flea bag was like

Speaker 1 in the industry that made fleabag was a real industry one like everyone's like

Speaker 2 yes like

Speaker 2 worshiped it, awards bait, yeah, for sure. Like, that Emmys and Golden Globes, it was like all eyes on her, all eyes on her.

Speaker 2 Everybody, no matter how big they were, everybody was just like when you were sitting at the table or you were sitting in the seats, you could feel people, everybody in the room, watching her.

Speaker 2 It was wild,

Speaker 2 yeah. So, after all this time in the show business, you got these one-two,

Speaker 2 huge, critical,

Speaker 2 brilliant, and then stranger things. so did you have just absolute gratitude were you i mean i i how do you process or are you angry about it are you angry why you know

Speaker 2 people see how brilliant i was 10 years ago yeah oh yeah that's right you know

Speaker 2 fuck strange truth no uh

Speaker 2 i'm so grateful i have nothing but gratitude for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You know, Stranger Things is also looked at as sort of a very interesting, I mean, I think that gets a lot of praise too for being such a cool, you know, it's not like the fleabag type of show, but it's just a different lens.

Speaker 1 You see it and go, shit, they know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. No, I mean, I think, I think it is

Speaker 2 artistically,

Speaker 2 you know, one of the best things I've ever been a part of and one of the best things out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm really proud to be a part of it. Yeah, I mean, you know, if it was big and it was bad, I wouldn't, I don't know if I would have the gratitude I have.

Speaker 2 I think the gratitude mostly comes from that I get to be on a really awesome show. And then on top of that, it's those rare moments where the thing that's really good is also really successful.
Right.

Speaker 2 And it looks like you're having a blast. I was looking at some clips.

Speaker 2 Just having a lot, a lot of fun. It's really fun.
It's like, I mean, playing that character is really like a character I grew up loving, you

Speaker 2 Like watching like Danny DeVito and like romancing the stone.

Speaker 1 That's a great one.

Speaker 2 I mean, like

Speaker 2 just comedic, the comedic relief and the in the big action or sci-fi thing. And then he's kind of a prick and he's grouchy.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, he's the, he's the per, you know, the truthsayer in a way, but that nobody likes or wants to be like.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 yeah, I mean, it's just like such a kid fantasy of wanting to do this and that being one of the types of things I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 You do like a year, you shoot for a while, and then it takes a while to come on. And then people like woof it down in like

Speaker 1 three days. And then you go, God damn, all that work.
And it's like, oh,

Speaker 2 okay. What next? I think they watch it like a lot of times, though.
I think like the rest of the

Speaker 2 re-watch it a lot.

Speaker 1 It's kind of interesting because it's good in a way you have that break because people just go back and cram it over over and over.

Speaker 2 No, it's wild. It's wild.
I mean, like, people are really like, when's it coming? Like, the fans are like pissed. Yeah.
They're pissed. Like, they're like, I need it.
I need it. Yeah.
And,

Speaker 2 well, you know, I did this show.

Speaker 2 They're going to get a little appetizer because in this sort of, I did this show.

Speaker 2 I shot it like two and a half years ago.

Speaker 2 And it was with the fleabag producers, actually.

Speaker 2 and we shot it in the uk it's called entitled and it's like this really crazy gothic horror comedy show and netflix just bought it and so it's coming out oh that's great it's entitled july entitled yeah

Speaker 2 if someone said to you the phrase when it rains it pours would you relate to that

Speaker 2 No, well, now you have another. Now you have another show.
You got Fleabag.

Speaker 2 He's out of control he's had enough trans

Speaker 2 i'm greedy i'm greedy i want more more will it go away or what is this the peak do you have agents and managers that go listen kid because they're older than you we gotta we gotta plan your next move but you've already written and produced you're already a self-creative you know how to do all that entity you're not just an actor for hire you have this massive resume of creating your own stuff so thank you you have leverage now though leverage they're going to be happy to see you in the room or they have been for a while.

Speaker 2 I think, I mean, hey, I hope so. It's like when you're in the vacuum in your house and you're just like with your people all day, it's like hard to see yourself that way.

Speaker 2 You're like, and there's so many obstacles

Speaker 2 for everything that like it's easy to like not notice the yeses. So it's like.
I'm constantly trying to get so many things moving because I don't know what's going to hit.

Speaker 2 The most peaceful time is like when you're making the thing, because then it's almost like being sick, you're like, this is all I can do

Speaker 2 for it to be good. So I'm just like on this thing.

Speaker 2 And then, but then when you're in the in-between times and all these things are swarming about,

Speaker 2 it's real weird. I mean, like, I feel like certain rooms I can walk into and people are going to be like, yes.
Oh, my God. What do you got to do?

Speaker 2 And then other rooms I'm going to walk into and people are going to be like,

Speaker 2 who the fuck are you?

Speaker 2 Who are you? I'd be curious to ask you this question. Like, now in 2025, the industry, AI, the strike, the whole thing that went on, and

Speaker 2 what are the streamers looking for?

Speaker 2 What are they trying to buy? Just the, because I'm not in that world. Is it evolved? Is it changed? How would you describe it right now?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I really don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, you always hear all these things that people are saying, but then you don't see the industry really change all that much in terms of like what they're buying and what works.

Speaker 2 It always seems like what hits is like

Speaker 2 what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's always off the beaten path. Then they go, now we go chase that.
So let's do a stranger things. And you're like, that's been done.
And it came out of the blue.

Speaker 1 And then something pops up over here and they go, no, that's what we should be doing.

Speaker 2 Like nobody wanted stranger things.

Speaker 2 And like the Ducker brothers were like, you can't have the leads be kids and like all the

Speaker 2 stuff.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, Netflix was young. Yeah.
And it was just like all these things lined up for it to become a massive hit in that moment. And I think that's all.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 you never know. I pitched kids and monsters to Ted Sarandos in 2014.

Speaker 2 And he just got real quiet and said, oh, we'll talk later. I never heard from him.
And then I saw Stranger Things. I went, huh?

Speaker 1 No, because Dana added, he said, it's a poorly written show about kids and monsters and Ted Saranda.

Speaker 2 Kids and monsters.

Speaker 2 But back then, they wanted poorly written.

Speaker 1 That was their chase. I like when you, you know, you're doing well when your agent's like, what do you want to do now?

Speaker 2 Have you written anything?

Speaker 2 What should you dream, Brett? What do you want to do now?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Drama, you're like a cross between David Cross and Paul Giometti. So we got Giamatti.

Speaker 2 You're gobbled, kid. I'm telling you.
I look better than those two, though, right? I mean,

Speaker 2 I'm better.

Speaker 2 Right. You're, you're, you,

Speaker 2 well, yeah, I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1 I'm working on T-Mobile, the movie. And also, like this thing you wrote.

Speaker 1 I like when your mom calls you. She goes three in the morning.
She goes, Brent.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And you even let her say Brent.

Speaker 2 That's the first time that she's called me at three in the morning and not called me Bread.

Speaker 2 Hey, Bret. That was the one positive thing about that message, you know, other than that.
She was watching the show, of course.

Speaker 1 What did you do with Nick Swartson?

Speaker 1 Because I know this is sort of a low light in your career um nick swartson who's a friend of ours i love what was for you on pretend time with him yeah i love that show i love it yeah yeah no i mean that was one of those

Speaker 2 you know like nick was one of those people you know you got on that show and i was like okay i'm doing okay yeah

Speaker 1 did you know nick before that because i know him and uh he's like if i say i saw he goes he's a really good friend of mine i'm like all right that's enough right i didn't know him like incredibly well, but like, you know, I would see him perform and stuff.

Speaker 2 And I would, I was like, this guy's so funny. And he was so nice.
He is funny.

Speaker 1 I hate to say it. He's funny.

Speaker 2 Sweet. Yeah.
Nice guy. Yeah.
He's a sweetheart. It meant a lot that he put me on the show.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Dana. What do you want to? What do you got for this guy? Anything else? This guy's not a good guy.

Speaker 2 The resume is so big.

Speaker 1 Too much of a resume.

Speaker 2 Eagle Heart with Chris Elliott, who I think is brilliant, and Conan

Speaker 2 produced that. I assume.
How long did that go? That was 2011 to 2014, three years or something? It was like three seasons. I mean, you know, Chris, I think, is one of the funniest people of all time.

Speaker 2 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 2 And I mean, Chris made me tough, man. I mean, Chris, he like,

Speaker 2 wow, it really felt like a lot of times that the show that we were filming was the break. And

Speaker 2 that the actual show is what was happening in between the takes. A a lot of the time.

Speaker 2 It was like crazy, crazy elaborate bits, mostly of him

Speaker 2 telling me how terrible I was.

Speaker 2 And that like, at times I was like, I think that this is a joke, but even if it's not, it's so funny. It's so funny.
And

Speaker 2 I mean, did like, I mean, the genius of the guy, I mean, it really like, and then, you know, the guys who made that, Jason Wallner and Michael Komen and

Speaker 2 Andrew Weinberg, they were such fans of his and like knew his voice so well. And it was like, I mean, it was, you know, they idolized get a life and they idolized all the Letterman bits.

Speaker 2 So it was like taking that and putting it in this Walker Texas Ranger type of world that was

Speaker 2 completely insane. Completely insane.
And I loved playing, I mean, it was, I learned a lot from working with him and watching him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He is good.
I grew up watching him on Letterman and just thinking, this is such an odd move. Like, if you don't know comedy, and I was growing up going,

Speaker 1 is this real? Like, it's kind of fun to watch that stuff and then start to like it.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, like, some of the stuff he made, he did, like, made like

Speaker 2 Andy Kaufman stuff look mainstream. I was going to bring up Andy Kaufman.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like him better. And then

Speaker 2 yeah i'll see he's what i he's what i call too funny like sometimes you you you can't laugh you laugh later like he did a one-man show was he playing george washington or something fdr fdr sorry yeah and that's the kind of thing you're watching it it's like it's so fucking funny that you have you're laughing later you can't it's like there's so many like there's like he he does something where it's like there's four funny things half different funny things happening at the same time, almost.

Speaker 2 It's so like

Speaker 2 nutrient dense that you're like, you're processing the

Speaker 2 nutrient dense. It's so pointedly passive-aggressive about people

Speaker 2 self-right or self-congratulatory people doing one-man shows, you know?

Speaker 2 Drippingly, sarcastically, aggressively parodying that. No, that was like, yeah, that's his like big thing is like he thinks show business is

Speaker 2 stupid and

Speaker 2 self-same,

Speaker 2 ridiculous.

Speaker 2 And it's like his whole thing is making fun of show business. And it's like, as good of an actor as he is, too.

Speaker 2 He's also, he's doing great acting and then also making fun of acting.

Speaker 1 Kind of against the system.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 True rebel. Yeah.
The funniest. I mean, really.

Speaker 2 There was one time where

Speaker 2 it was this long bit. It was so hot.
And I was like in this table. And my

Speaker 2 character's legs have been severed. And they've built this apparatus and they made me stay in the table.
And it was too complicated to get out of the table.

Speaker 2 And we're in this like fucking warehouse in Santa Clarita. where they're like hosing in a sea.
It's not like meant to be filming it. And like,

Speaker 2 I'm already a sweaty guy. And I'm just sweating so much.
And then,

Speaker 2 and then he comes up. He's like, ooh, you smell like duty.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he made like, he had the whole crew. He's like, everybody, check out how much Brett smells like duty.
And he had the whole crew and cast line up and smell me.

Speaker 2 And then, and I was laughing hysterically. And then

Speaker 2 this was an important moment in our friendship, I think. And then I went into my trailer later that day, and he had taken underwear and drawn with the magic marker, Brown in the ass.

Speaker 2 And I laughed so hard. And it was like a test to see: are you going to get upset about this? Are you going to think it's funny? And because I thought it was funny, it made us get a lot closer.

Speaker 2 Well, he sounds like a delight to work with, based on

Speaker 1 a delight. A delight.

Speaker 2 It was just like great.

Speaker 2 And it was us, Fengali kind of way to get you to relax.

Speaker 2 I think so. I mean, we had already been doing so many like hostile bits and stuff like that that I think he knew that I don't think it was funny.
Yeah. Does it sound like abusive?

Speaker 2 Does that sound like abusive? No,

Speaker 2 I've heard stranger things. But my point is this.
I had to take that.

Speaker 2 It's eccentric.

Speaker 2 You'd have to be there. I'd have to be there in the moment to know if it was aggressive or funny.
Yeah. We'll decide.

Speaker 2 So what you're saying is

Speaker 2 it's an uncomfortable story.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right? Well, I've got some Mickey Rooney stories that we'll save for the next time we have you on. But yes.
But no,

Speaker 2 I've worked with Chris on SNL. And yeah, that's him being funny.
Yeah. I don't think.
That's his sense of humor. And he knew that you would think it was funny too.
Exactly. David,

Speaker 2 final comment?

Speaker 1 I just did something with Chris, and he was very mellow the whole time. So, yeah,

Speaker 1 I think he didn't think I was funny enough to rub my underpants.

Speaker 2 You think so?

Speaker 1 No, we weren't on the set long enough. We only did a day or two, but

Speaker 1 definitely. But if

Speaker 1 your scenario was different, but he was perfectly fine.

Speaker 2 He got my dress. I was hosting SNL and he got the church late get up.
During rehearsal, it wasn't even in the sketch. He came.
Oh, hey, it's Nets

Speaker 2 out of the church, bitch. How are you?

Speaker 2 And then he threw a shoe at me. I said, Chris.
And Lauren came in, Chris, please. I just knew

Speaker 2 it's too far.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Brett.

Speaker 1 Thank you, bud. Thank you, guys.
Oh, we're showing a quick photo before we leave.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's

Speaker 2 oh, that is. That's already funny, the get up that you have on, Brett.

Speaker 2 It's funny already. It's short.

Speaker 2 I look really hot in in that picture.

Speaker 2 You do look like you would be one of the YMCA guys. You'd be another character in that.

Speaker 1 You know who I look like, Dana? If you could see me straight on

Speaker 1 Michael Douglas and Falling Down. I have those kind of glasses on.

Speaker 1 But we just kind of fucked around and it was a lot of laughs. At least the whole shoot was fun.

Speaker 2 It was really fun.

Speaker 1 But thank you, boss. Appreciate you talking to us.

Speaker 2 It's a pleasure. Thanks, Brett.
No, it's

Speaker 2 so great being on here. And

Speaker 2 I got to have you guys on my podcast sometime.

Speaker 1 What the hell is that?

Speaker 2 What's it called? I do it with my wife. It's called Neurotica.
Neurotica. Interesting.
Yeah, my wife.

Speaker 2 I'd be happy to be happy to come on. I have earbuds.
I have a technical thing set up.

Speaker 1 I have an echo set up in my room.

Speaker 2 No, part of the thing on our thing is that it's technically a mess the whole time. We barely hear

Speaker 2 the end of it. Yeah, it doesn't work.
That's all right. I think that's fine.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, he just took off, Dana. You guys chatted a little bit after.

Speaker 2 We did a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was interesting how you guys were almost best friends. That was an interesting moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to pick it up. We're going to pick it up again.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 we had a good run that day on the shoot. The old T-Mobile commercial they can't stop talking about.

Speaker 1 Which they might bring back. And there's some whispers right now.

Speaker 2 Is it okay for me to say I would love to see it?

Speaker 1 Is that too much? I wonder if we get, I don't know if we have a regular version of it, but we could play it.

Speaker 2 We'll look into that.

Speaker 1 I'm sure it takes one Google search.

Speaker 2 I've noticed a pattern with some of our guests that are doing very well in show business.

Speaker 2 A lot of aweshs, you know, sincere humility about it. So

Speaker 2 that was, that was kind of Brett. And I think it's a good idea.
I think that's people that...

Speaker 1 He's like that anyway. And also he's

Speaker 1 had the stuff that worked, didn't work, worked medium, worked a lot like everybody. So he's like on a big one and it's pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 So I mean, the most extreme in my lifetime was Eddie Murphy, essentially right out of a high school senior.

Speaker 2 I guess he was 19 when he when he came out on SNL and it just went

Speaker 2 19. I mean, you made it at 20, 20 and two months, and that was a lifetime beyond Eddie Murray.

Speaker 1 20 and two months. No, I was grinding out for free drinks doing stand-up.

Speaker 2 You got a cameo in a movie, and then you went back to the grind of opening.

Speaker 1 I like when they go,

Speaker 1 if you go on, you get two free drinks, but even that feels like too much.

Speaker 2 I don't remember working for alcohol. I honestly don't.

Speaker 1 Anyway, that's another story. This is Brett, and I'm glad you guys liked it.
I hope you did. And

Speaker 2 this was Brett, and my name is officially Brett. And so we'll see you.
We'll see you the next time on super fly on the wall

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