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And they didn't, they wanted to put them up somewhere.

And so we got an Airbnb

and we went to it.

It was right in the little town, and it was spectacular.

It was just amazing.

And they loved it.

And so they had privacy in their time.

They could walk around the little town.

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You know, that kind of thing.

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Jack Black, Dana.

Always funny, always upbeat, always in a good mood.

And

he lived up to all that today.

yes.

And we, uh, we happened to, in this particular case, interview him on the Monday after he hosted this banging episode on SNL.

Yeah, and then his movie, Minecraft, also was the same weekend, yeah, gigantic smash.

So he was in a really good mood.

He may be kind of in the legendary category because he's been around long enough, but uh, couldn't be nicer, funny.

It was uh, just an easy,

easy conversation to have with the great Jack Black.

Yeah, fun comedian.

I see him out and about sometimes, always seems up for chatting and laughing and just cracking up.

And he's just out there doing whatever it takes and just always goofy on these press things.

And everyone likes to be around him all the way back from school of rock.

Just we went over a lot of his stuff and then just basically cracked up.

Yeah.

Anyway, enjoy the one and only Jack Black.

Do you know how difficult it is to get a jean jacket that really works?

In this day and age,

very difficult.

Because it'll be too big, too small.

So I was at

metaphorical cigar,

New York Magazine photo shoot.

And they go, here, try this jean jacket.

So I said, well, this looks like a good jean.

So I walked off with it.

And then they found me.

And I said, okay, I mean,

is it okay if I, I mean, I'll pay you.

But then they came back 20 minutes later and said, you can keep keep it $95.

Wow.

And how much for the glasses, the string that holds your glasses on your head?

You got to get me one of those.

These are 175s.

I'm supposed to go to twos.

Oh, yeah.

What are you at for up close vision?

I am prescription, so I don't even know what they're doing.

It's like one eye is probably different than the other.

Up top is just like normal.

Down here is for reading.

In the sunlight, it turns into sunglasses.

these things are like super charging you go i need all that i'm just too lazy i go that's where the money's going i go yep all of my money goes to my optometry i go on larchmont optometrics no i used to live in near larchmont great group of ladies over there it's all ladies at my my uh

my optometry i don't know what

last weekend i didn't i'm kind of out of town i'm not good at research but uh i heard there's something

a couple things happen.

I did a little indie film

called Minecraft.

How did that do?

You know, according to reports, it's gone bonkers, and the kids are going in there and just like throwing popcorn and just losing their minds.

I know.

It's like I've heard about this chaos.

It looks kind of like

Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Like there's a lot of participation.

These kids have already, they come in already knowing the dialogue because of the memes

you have to say it that why

why i was thinking did you see this coming or or

i would be lying if i said i wasn't a little surprised i mean i loved it i saw i saw it uh a couple weeks before it came out and i was like look i like it but what the hell do i know i i don't know hopefully people will like it i like stuff and then it comes out and the reviews are just garbage and and I'm like, what?

But and actually the reviews were kind of mixed on this one, but it didn't seem to matter because the kids have spoken.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

They come to pop.

They've got them hooked in and out and now there's a trick and a fun thing to do.

Yeah.

It's the best.

But then there's also a weird backlash where some of the theaters.

This is just news I'm getting from TikTok.

So I don't know if this is true either.

I'm just kidding.

If it's TikTok.

It's going to be where there's talk of a legalizing the movie because because kids are going to bananas, throwing pops corn.

And if they don't stop throwing popped corn, the movie will be illegal.

Pops corn.

Shutting his ass in there?

Isn't it popcorn?

Pops corn.

That's what the theater owner said.

So

I think it's good, though.

Should it be illegal?

This is a question everyone's been asking lately about this movie.

It's

controversial.

It's hard to get it.

The chicken comes in.

I don't think that's controversial.

Nothing we do in the movie is controversial, but the effect it's having on the youth of the nation is, you know, it's creating concern.

It's like, we don't want

that kind of rowdy behavior.

We can't condone that kind of bedlam.

But

I'm saying it's so hard to get butts in seats nowadays.

Yeah.

Just

hire someone else,

another popcorn scooper.

I'm going to do a prediction that this thing's going to have a lot of multiple viewings.

It's not going to be seen anytime soon on

Amazon.

Right.

You can rent it for $4.95 or buy it for $300.

Oh, wait.

Does it go somewhere after this?

Because a lot of movies sometimes.

Keep it in the theaters, man.

That's my opinion.

Is it theaters?

It's theaters only right now.

I actually don't know what the plan is, where it goes after that for the secondary.

And it's kind of cool that

there's no plan in place.

Whatever you call it.

Secondary line.

168 million.

You know, I'm just curious about this, like, Nacho Libre.

Yeah.

Napoleon Dynamite.

Yeah.

Jared here.

So what went right?

And how could this movie have gone wrong?

And what were the choices it made besides casting you as the lead?

That was good.

from what I understand.

I'm going to see it tomorrow.

There's people who really want to see it.

They don't even know I'm talking to you right now.

I would say it's more like co-leads.

It's me and Jason Mamoa.

It's a one-two punch.

Okay.

We spend the first half of the movie being rivals.

And, you know,

it's a little bit of a competition for alpha dominance.

And then over the course of the...

And you are competing with him?

That's where we flip the script.

Because this time, I'm the one who's seen that dude.

The badass.

Yeah, I'm I'm the one with all the fighting skills.

And

he's the pretty face who's really actually terrified of this world.

Oh, he looks funny in that.

Do you guys have an enthusiasm off during lunch and stuff?

Because enthusiasm off.

I mean,

I saw him at the 50s.

He was the time I met him.

He's a fun dude.

There was a little bit of a competition for who brought the most enthusiasm energy.

It was never spoken.

We We never said, hey, may the best enthusiasm win.

But he would come in with a lot of

noise and energy with his motorcycle.

Noise.

Oh, he brings a motorcycle.

That's like cheating.

Yes.

And you would hear, like, he would have, he has a band and they would be jamming in his trailer very loud, right out of the gate.

And I was like, okay, fine.

And then I got my little boombox

Bluetooth speaker and

I'd come in blazing whatever jam I thought was the right one for the day.

So we were, you know, we were, we were battling for the hearts and minds of that crew.

Yeah, you know music, too.

He shouldn't mess with that.

You know what you're doing.

Well, we joined forces.

We, we did a little jamming together.

He we're, we're, you know, it's, we're kind of simpatico.

That's why I wanted to work with him because I felt like we're going to be.

We're going to be two peas in a pod.

He likes, he likes the same kind of music I like, and he's got a similar energy, even though he's,

a foot taller and all muscle.

And women come running from the four corners of the earth to be

that's a little different than my

clientele, but

we still have to do it.

There was some sexual energy.

I mean, we can bounce around between the two, between you and the chicken.

I'm going to call it

Jack Black April, or maybe contact my congressman or something.

There should be some national creed because to first of all, I have two questions.

One is, what happened 20 years ago?

Because you came out and it exploded.

I want to go over the show and what it was.

It was exceptional.

So, first of all, what happened 20 years ago?

Because I did one that kind of sucked.

And I could just say it in 2010, it just tilted wrong, you know, and

I was pushing and it just wasn't good.

So I have, I haven't been asked back, but what happened to you?

How is Jack Black not?

How do they go two decades without you on that show?

Oh, you're saying on SNL?

Yeah, 20 years ago he hosted it.

And then

so.

I don't remember you having a bad

day on SNL.

Exactly.

But I do remember seeing lots of great performers have a bad night on SNL because it's just part of the, it's the, it's the nature of the beast, right?

It's a high wire act.

It shouldn't work.

It's like, it gets, they, they put it, and it's terrifying because it's like, wait, we're held together with scotch tape.

And that's kind of the fun is you get to see a belly flop, potential belly flop, because it's live.

There's no oat second takes.

And you want, you almost watching it, you kind of want to see some mistakes because that's, there's nothing else like that.

The funnest part.

Oh, you had mistakes.

I had mistakes, and

you had uh, that someone yelled from the crowd.

That's not a mistake, but that's fun.

That's definitely

stage in the monologue because I said that guy got vertical, and I was never afraid for you physically because I almost killed myself many times in that place.

You know, I have some training.

A lot of people don't know this, but I trained judo for a few years in my teens.

So, the first thing they teach you in judo is how to dive roll, it's like a little mini tiger roll.

And it's been part of my on stage

bag of tricks for

the

little animated.

People don't know I was doing the tiger roll in the recording booth.

No.

I thought you had the little green dots on you and that was really you, like you're running around.

I had fun with that opening monologue.

I did a little rock and a little a little diving and rolling.

But if I'm honest with you,

i was struggling with the cardio because i i made the choice to run up those stairs yeah it wasn't actually my idea that was more of a john higgins idea you know you know steve higgins son uh works on the show now yeah yeah and he's great he's hilarious and he and his partners in uh Please don't destroy, they're like the new guys that make the hilarious music videos and videos every week.

They were like shepherding me with my monologue section.

And they thought it would be a great idea to run up into the audience and like have a marching band up there and then run down the other side of the stairs.

And I got a little winded.

So the main thing was just hold my wind.

Did you get a whole show after that?

Did you have any rest in that?

Because did you like when you knew you were going back down the stage, you get a little bit of a rest?

Because I was thinking about that.

And it can happen.

But when you said, we got a great show, the flag never touched the ground you were you weren't like we got a great show so i was impressed and i wanted to ask you about that fitness and some of the leg kicks and the little dancing i mean it was wild um

yeah i didn't i i could have used a little more training leading up to it maybe i should have done the ozempic or something to to drop a few lbs that would have helped but you know i just remember when chris farley would do his physical shit he did stuff way more extreme He'd be running like a wind sprint down the Letterman thing and lifting up people and throwing people.

And he got winded and sweaty, but he never broke a stride.

You know what I mean?

And I wish I had that kind of, I don't know, maybe.

It's a home run.

I mean, by the way, the monologue was like perfection for me.

I love the intro.

Who thought of that when you're going, I can't do it.

I don't feel it.

That just gave me goosebumps when you went around.

Don't do that to me.

And then you did that rhythm and you do, because I can't,

whatever that little thing is.

And everyone knew it was on when you did your turn.

That was my turn.

That was mine.

I wanted to do that turn.

And the reason I wanted to do it is because that was actually true.

I do have a lot of fear.

And leading up to it, I was like,

I don't know if I can do it.

And part of me was wishing,

wouldn't it be nice if I could just quit?

I'd like to quit and not do it.

And then I I was like, I'm going to make that part of the monologue.

I'm going to make that insecurity part of it.

And then the turn, like, no, I will, I will host again.

Because you see some love hosts go in there with some wispy monologues.

I mean, there's like some minute 30 monologues where they're like, hey, here's a clip from my movie, and here's our musical guest.

I'm like, I get it.

And then, conversely, it was not that long ago that I think Dave Chappelle broke the record for the longest monologue, right?

It was 19 minutes or something.

Yeah, 19 minutes.

That's, you know, like a quarter of the show.

When he's hosting, you're like, oh, no, my cigarette.

Did Lauren give you a thumbs up during the show or anything?

Like during the show in between sketches?

A little bit.

A little bit.

A little bit.

I mean,

I was pretty.

Pace yourself, Jack.

Dude, Lauren said the funniest thing.

I don't think he was trying to be funny, but after the rehearsal, when I he saw me do the tiger roll and he saw me doing that rocking number and he saw me sweating and wheezing and he said,

I just want to tell you a story.

This is not a good idea.

No, that actually is good.

I like it already.

Yeah.

In the 70s, this is the beginning.

We had

Desi Arnaz on the show.

That's already.

And he was all, you know, he was getting up there.

He was in his 70s.

And I wanted him on because I just thought, you know, yes, he's older, but he's an icon.

And he had been on,

you know, Lucille Balls.

And I was like, yeah, oh my God, that must have been a trip.

I'd love to see that.

And he said that

Desi

was kind of struggling.

He wanted to do his Babaloo number.

That was like his trademark that he'd been doing, you know, live for decades.

And Lauren was a little worried about it.

You know, can he still pull it off?

And he was doing it, but he could see that he was starting to sweat and really struggle physically while he was bubbalooing and he wouldn't stop.

And, and then he looked closer on the screen and he's like, Desi's lips started to turn blue and he started to worry, like, oh, he's about to die.

And he like just pulled the plug on it and said, just go to commercial, whatever.

And, uh,

And I was like, wait a second, are you telling me this story because you're worried I'm going to die?

When did he tell you the story?

He was just warning me not to go too hard because if I went full hard as a motherfucker, I could, I could.

But you're a kid.

You're 55, right?

Exactly.

It's like, you know, it's apples and oranges.

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Don't you love the matching numbers?

33, 44, 55, still alive.

56, I'm in a fix.

57, I'm in heaven.

58, don't be late.

59, won't you be mine?

60, oh, 60.

I had no rhyme for that.

But 55 is a cool age.

I could, yeah,

I like that.

I mean, doing Minecraft, doing that is doing a movie grind every day.

No one even thinks about it, but it's, I don't know where you're on location or whatever you're doing, but just to get up every day, memorize your lines, be on the set, take after take, heat, cold, changing.

We're coming.

It's a beating lights.

Yeah, working with CGI.

Where'd you do it?

We did it all in New Zealand in August.

And that was a great kind of reunion for me with some of those crew members because I had worked in New Zealand on King Kong 20 years earlier.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was the last time I hosted SNL, as a matter of fact, because I

for Katrina.

And I did a King Kong song in my monologue that time 20 years ago.

King Kong song.

Steve Higgins really helped out with that.

King of Kong Song.

Was that Naomi Watts?

Yep.

That was Naomi Watts.

Oh, yeah.

And

Adrian Brody.

And you have to carry on a

new time Oscar.

That guy.

Yeah.

You don't see him for a while, and then it's an Oscar.

Yes.

And he's great in that era.

Apparently, you know, you put him in World War II era.

He wins Oscars every time.

But yeah, I carried around one of those old-timey cameras, and I was the film director.

It was really, yeah, it was heavy.

And Peter Jackson, he's a, he's a real

stickler for authenticity.

No,

I thought you were going to say that.

I'm like, no, no.

Give me a cardboard.

One time on Tommy Boy, I had a briefcase and everything was too heavy for me.

I'm like, guys, I'm just trying to float through this scene.

I got a bad neck.

And they're like, all right.

And then

I go, Fuck, what do you got in this briefcase?

Baby's first bricks?

And then I open it up and it's stuffed with files to make it real.

I go, listen, no one's looking inside the, I'm just carrying it, and they go, Okay, so the prop guy brings it back.

I go, Oh, it's light, and he goes, Yeah, we took the pulp out of the paper.

I go, Thank you.

They were being an asshole to me.

I didn't, I didn't even catch it.

I'm like, Oh, good job,

yeah, but it matters lugging that every take, and you're on a mountainside or something.

I don't know, yeah, um, but I had a ball, I had a ball in that one.

I'm uh, I, we, uh, what can what's King Kongman up to?

You still talk to him?

Yeah, man, he's uh, he's directing now after the shoot.

Everyone kind of goes their own way.

So, you did you go to the party?

I mean, you seem pretty well put together.

Did you, how did when did you crash?

The after party?

Did you go all night after all?

I mean, no, I did.

I did go to the party.

You have to go to the party.

It's but you're the host.

You're kind of the host of the party.

I know.

Um,

uh, went went there and uh gave hugs to all my peeps and said hi to Lauren, thanked him for

the fun opportunity.

Did you know Minecraft was killing at that point?

Gave you a little extra.

Yes.

It was kind of a great thing about being on SNL

is that we had the movie was already doing gangbusters, so it was kind of like a

hopes that they have this bohemoth as they come in in their back pocket.

Like, I sure hope this

thing goes good, but you know, we're probably going to be over, we're over 300 million right now.

Sorry, but

I guess,

you know, it's a wind, the wind beneath your wings

carried me through.

But it doesn't really matter.

Look, it doesn't really matter because when you're on SNL, it doesn't matter, there's no such thing as like a victory lap.

You're still terrified of shit in the bed.

So I was like,

I was pretty amped and ready to go.

But yeah,

there's a fear factor as well.

No question about it.

When you're standing back there at that door, that back door, when they're counting down the 10 seconds when

Gene.

You just did it.

It's just terrifying.

Jenna.

It's like

this is so weird.

One line goes off or,

you know, Liz, the director.

If there's cuts between dress and air, and I told this, it's just like, I really hit me how hard it is to know when to go where you're just seeing it for the first time.

When do you cut off Jack and then go there?

Um, I was just curious which ones blew up for you in your mind, like, fuck, we hit it because you want the air show to be, we really hit it.

So, love matches going viral.

Oh, and I thought it was inspired writing as well, yeah.

And Diz Mukes was really funny, he really was mad at me.

It felt like I felt like he, he's really mad at me.

It's great, it's great,

and uh,

uh, uh, that one felt great.

I got to say, I was impressed with all the writing.

I liked all of them.

And even a couple of the ones that got cut, I wish they had made it.

There was one that got cut where I was

a father who

wanted to come visit his sons, the divorced couple, and wanted to come visit his kids.

And I had to confess, hey,

I've been coming here every day pretending to be the maid.

kind of like mrs doubtfire style it was a really funny idea and the confession that i was the doubtfire maiden, but I was also from Trinidad.

So it was really.

Oh, shit.

Wait,

my sports television just came on.

I've got to turn that off.

You ever do that?

You hold it for an hour and then it kicks back on.

It was first take.

I like to hear the talking heads talk about the sports.

The Lakers.

Yeah.

I'll do it for you.

Luca.

Luca brought it.

That's good.

Yeah.

Hey, while I got you here, I'm going to turn the the tables.

I'm going to ask a couple of questions.

Please do.

Spade, first of all, I've read all your books, Spade.

And

when I say I read them, I mean I listened to them.

Yeah.

And which is actually the way you're supposed to take in your books, in my opinion, because your delivery is kind of like half of the magic.

And I noticed you know that because if you want to buy your book, it costs five bucks.

But if you want to listen to your book, it costs 20 bucks.

It's like, oh, he knows.

That's true.

I didn't no it's not that that's not the cost spread i just noticed that it costs a lot

you want to hear the delivery

and make it

making me laugh very hard i see jack black over the years and uh

he is as advertised he's fun he's in a good mood he's nice and uh the true stories a couple laughs for sure the true stories i don't see him enough so that's not really a question i just wanted to tell you i'm a fan of your readings and i look forward to the next are you working on another one No.

No, you're done.

You're like.

No, I just did a special because the stand-up, it really is

kind of podcasting sort of jumped instead of audio books.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I sort of told my life story.

And then now when we do this, we just tell our same stories every week.

And then

to do a stand-up special, same thing.

It's like, just, it's all, it's all blurring and the same thing.

People sometimes, I told Dana, I do stand-up, and then these nitpickers are like on my Instagram on Monday going, actually, I saw a part of one of those stories on Ellen a few years ago.

I go, yeah, no shit, Sherlock.

I got to scrape together a goddamn hour.

And of course, I'm going to.

to dig in anywhere I can.

I don't know.

I don't want adventures anymore.

No, I've made peace with the fact that I'm going to be repeating my same life stories over and over again in every interview for the rest of my life.

It is what it is.

I've made peace with it.

I I know, I don't have my teens and stuff.

And I usually think, oh, I can't tell the same story because then people will go, oh, I've already heard it.

And turn on.

Nine times out of ten, they've never heard the story or don't remember the story.

Who the fuck cares?

You just tell your story.

No, they like to hear it again.

And you never tell

nobody.

I do my act and my, I was doing stand-up this weekend.

Oh, sorry, Jack.

Just give me 20 minutes here.

I was doing stand-up.

And I tell this, and I go, I'm doing all this new stuff because I have to put together more material.

And I'm like, give me my old juicy closer that fucking works where, you know what I mean?

You go, why do I have to throw this in the garbage?

And then you never get complaints if you do a bit that kills.

No one's ever like changing it.

I loved it, but I think I've heard it.

It's like, good.

When I see comics do this with a bit from 1983,

Dana, I have a question for you.

I have a question for you, Dana.

Now I'm going to turn the tables again.

Yeah.

It's your turn to be in the hot seats.

It's like Connie and Moreau on Bronx.

You know how, like, when

you host SNL, you get a little dinner early in the week, like a Tuesday dinner

that Lauren hosts, but really, you're hosting because you're the host.

You're also the kind of the host.

You sit next to Lauren and you feel a little pressure to entertain the table because it's like you're the host.

So I don't know, zingy, zingy, boom, boom.

And

somehow we got on the topic of your appearance on Bill Maher's Real Time with Bill Maher.

Oh.

And how you just didn't let him get a word in edgewise.

And it was the funniest on.

I like that show.

I watched that show and

I'd never seen anyone just take full command like you did.

And I was,

yeah, we were all singing your praises.

Did you go?

Did you go on to Bill Maher real time with that plan?

No.

Or did that just...

No, you just showed up and then he's just...

I, you know, if you're on a roll, it's better to not have any questions.

I'm doing this stuff without an audience.

And then SNL doing Biden, it was a little, i was part of a team and it's sort of like i came out and there are 80 people standing up with a lot of noise and so that just triggered me like okay i'm just gonna ride this wave and then i realized that you know bill we kind of got to know him he's a bit of a curmudgeon so you kind of want to you want to fluff up his hair and give him a hug you know kind of like get a hold you know because you know underneath there's a marshmallow there somewhere yeah but um just road rode the wave had a had a lot to get out of my brain i guess and but uh yeah it was it's fun when you just don't you just let you know it go you're not really thinking i had i was doing a truncated version of what i do on stage right now but anyway that makes me happy thank you well uh um do you do any music on your on stage act now oh yeah I've never stopped because in the honky-tonk bars,

you know, clubs I used to play, the audience would start to fade and talk and and they were drunk.

Show us your dick.

And then there'd be the blender.

Yeah.

So I started bringing an acoustic guitar up and fiddling around with it and playing chords and doing Neil Young and things like that, just because of the noise would get the audience like, stop talking.

So yeah, I do like to play guitar at the end.

And

I do different things like something you would do.

I do a thing about a heavy metal guy who's angry at the microphone.

So he's walking away from it and really hitting these power chords.

Then he goes toward it and then he walks back, you know?

So, I do stuff like that.

I love, I love playing the guitar on stage, but I do it.

Just so your audience knows, um,

uh, I don't know,

Dana, I've told you, Dana, but you were such a big influence on me early on when I was watching SNL and I saw you play that song, uh, the broccoli song, broccoli, yeah, where clearly you were making the gag was that you were making it up as you went along.

But, um, I don't know if I'd ever laugh that hard, and just seeing like a song kill like that and be so fucking funny.

And also the reactions to your song of them just like drinking up every single

heart.

Sigourney.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was a big inspiration and a big, big reason why I started doing comedy music combos.

So I don't know if you get that

people coming up to you now and saying, you know, I saw you do this and I'm doing this, but that always shocked me.

I didn't, i had not watched that sketch until maybe two months ago i never watched anything and i thought oh that was pretty good you know because i'm too self-critical but it's it's you're like what about it that people like it's so funny to watch yell it out because i guess there's no joke uh and your your style is kind of rhythmic and i don't know what you call it too but abstract

and musical really

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I was going to ask you, what do you listen to?

What do you

know?

It's funny.

I'm glad you asked that because it's kind of my main thing that I do with my time.

The content I like to put into my headphones when I go on my walks to get my steps so I can live longer.

I like to listen because I realize I'm not listening to music at all.

I'm listening to podcasts, I'm listening to books.

I want to listen to music again.

So I came up with this plan: Chrono Marathons.

So you take bands that you already love, that you've loved all your life, but you haven't really listened to in a long time, and you go from the very beginning, their first album, chronologically over the course of their whole catalog.

And it's a great way to just plug back into music.

And it's the anti-like

quick one song at a time, Spotify, or whatever that Pandora is where it AI picks shit for you.

It's like, oh, yeah,

it's reading my mind.

Nah, you take command and you listen.

Fuck you, AI.

Take this.

It's going to sound really dumb, but you know, I did the classics.

Okay.

I did the boring ones.

No, why?

I started with, I think I started.

Did I start with Pink Floyd?

I think it was Pink Floyd.

Right out of that.

Has there ever been a better album than Dark Side?

Steely Death.

Yeah, weirdly, the very next one they did right after that.

Because wish you were here.

I think it's a better, it's a better record.

It's a fucking great record.

But that's their window because before Dark Side of the Moon, there's great moments and like interesting.

And like you can see, oh, I can see they're starting to get there.

They're starting to figure it out.

But Dark Side of the Moon, it's an ex it's a just a bomb that goes off where it's like, this is the beginning of their real

incredible window because then the next album I wish you were here and then the wall that to me is their window.

The ones after that people say no no you got to put animals in there.

I say no I think the window's closing

and it's cool to see all the bands you pick all of them they have a window where it's like yeah they're great and then the ending stuff there's some good stuff later but that you you know, and it's fascinating to find that juice because you go, oh, yeah, I love Billy Joe.

When do you love Billy Joe?

Because there's a window.

You don't love all of it.

There's some hot stuff.

Let me ask you a Pink Floyd.

I want to ask you a Pink Floyd question just for a second.

Are you part of the cadre of people who, if they have to nominate the best solo in rock history, they

often,

there's a lot of great guitar players, Beck and everybody, but David Gilmore and Comfortably Numb, that guitar solo, tone,

choice of note, whatever you want to call it, every time I hear it, I go, really?

That's not human.

It's so funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is.

It is.

Yeah, he is definitely in my top three.

I love David Gilmore.

Oh, good God.

What?

Comfortably numb is on which album?

Comfortably numb is on

the wall, of course.

Okay, don't act like I'm some bullshit.

Hey, David Gilmil.

Well, it felt felt like it was a test.

If I failed it, all of a sudden.

It was a test.

I'm like, oh, wait, I didn't want to trip him up.

But what about Animals Test?

It has a soft spot.

White album.

Don't get me going on the White Album.

I love it.

Dane, I'll help you with your Beatles.

I know.

I was going to say, no surprise.

The best chrono marathon you can do is the Beatles.

But don't do that first because then you don't really want to do any more chrono marathons after the Beatles because everything sounds like garbage.

Jeez, you're like my new best friend.

It's too good.

I know and too varied.

I mean,

I was talking to the guy who just produced

Jimmy Fallon and the gentleman who just produced Elton John's album.

I'm so sorry.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

No, no, his name is Watt.

Yes.

And Andrew.

Andrew Watt, super nice guy.

Hung out with me at the parties.

Brilliant, really smart.

And him and Jimmy Fallon, oh, yeah, we love the Beatles, we love them a lot, you know.

And I said to both of them, I just said, Have you, what do you think of that?

They go, Abby Road, you know, have you listened to Revolver?

And neither of them really were familiar with Revolver.

Yeah,

I mean, Eleanor Rigby, um,

She's Leaving Home, um,

and Your Bird Can' Sing.

Yeah, uh, Lennon's first song was, uh, was it

Girl or no?

One of those Lennon-y songs, you know.

Anyway, so I feel the same way.

I also, I also, Zeppelin will come on sometimes on Sirius XM and I go, that shouldn't be allowed.

It shouldn't happen.

Zeppelin is a weird one where their window actually was almost the whole thing.

They didn't have any

last album, Coda, it was hit or miss.

There's still some crushing jams on that one, but

for the most part, it's an insane, like you do, you do wonder, wait, did they worship satan because how did they get how so many great records and so many great riffs

how long was that run jack of zeppelin it's a nine it's a nine album run it's a nine album run

and right out of the gate you got good times bad times one of my favorite songs of all time and uh

is that purple apple just john bonham and whoever mic'd his drums or how they got the value and the connection between the snare and the kick drum

we talked with bill burr about this because he's a drummer uh and a drummer fanatic you know but that tone bill burr also great on on uh bill maher bill burr came out and really went straight at him oh that wasn't that wasn't on his show that was on his club radius

yeah you're coming in with your smart ideas you're thinking all this fucking stuff

you're just an armchair athlete you don't know fucking dick all right bill i mean i was

just i love to watch him get roasted it's great yeah but i really want to go see him on Broadway.

He's on Broadway right now with Bob Odenkirk, who we all know and have in common as a friend.

Definitely

to see Bob Odenkir.

Bilber was at this show.

I think they just did their Broadway show, Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, and just walked over to 30 Rock because they were all, well, three of them were there because Kieran was there, Bill, and Bob.

But I want to go see that.

I'm going to find an excuse to fly out there.

i killed it

oh my god it's so good it was so funny you know bob gave me my big break because he he put tenacious d on hbo mr show with yep little short films that would would play before mr show

and uh that put us on the map and so i always i always uh

thank my lucky stars that uh that's an eye frost

what was your movie that kind of boosted you up was it high fidelity?

It was high fidelity that got me really going.

Yeah, that was in the game.

And that was because

John Cusack liked Tenacious D.

I always think it was him that pushed it through because he was, you know, the

star, producer, and writer of that jam.

He was a big hit.

I don't know who he wrote it.

Yeah.

Well, he co-wrote it

with Steve Pink and DV DeVincentes.

But,

yeah, so that was before School of Rock.

And

that was a big one.

Cause at the premiere for High Fidelity,

at the after party, George Clooney came up and I was with my mom.

And he said, that was fucking incredible.

Something like that.

I can't remember what he said.

And my mom just about shattered pants.

It was like, I knew it was like, oh, this is different.

This is a different.

Dude, he was at a premiere of mine and he talked to my mom, too.

I swear to God.

And my mom was fucking flipping up.

He knows what to do.

Mom almost pushed me into a wood chipper.

Yeah.

Yes.

I mean, he's got the power.

Oh, yeah.

It was nailing it.

He was right in the pocket, too.

Trop Thunder, of course.

The holiday is one that a lot of people love.

The holiday.

The holiday.

How did you weasel into that one?

Well,

it was really out of my comfort zone.

Isn't it like Jude Law?

One of my wife's favorite movies?

It's in her rotation every year.

That

can't come.

Kate Winslet.

Dude, I fucked up and said Kate Blanchette when I meant Winslet.

That's their fault, though.

Their names are too similar.

Yeah, that's not playing fair.

But that was really

the best part.

It's like, yeah, how am I in a scene with Kate Winslet?

And we're like semi-romantic.

How did I get this part?

But I was like, I'm going to roll.

She seems cool.

And she's cool as hell.

She's not snooty.

She's not snooty.

But she's

definitely

there's something in my mind that looks wrong with that picture.

It's like, no.

All these scenes should be how she's out of my league.

Okay, whatever.

I'm just going to pretend like this is normal.

And that was the acting, was just acting like this isn't ridiculous.

Yeah.

And Cameron Diaz is a blast.

I was never in that situation in a movie.

They always put like a goofy comedian like us with some hottie, and everyone's supposed to buy it.

It's the best.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so great.

They go, wait, what part am I?

And I'm like, the part that the girl that falls in love with me.

And they're like, oh, I got to reread it then.

I didn't think that would be me.

And you got your old Tropic Thunder, hilarious.

Just running.

I'm just running through these, Jack.

You've heard of it.

Tropic Thunder, all I really think about it.

It's infamous at this point.

Infamous.

There's never been a movie made like it before.

Somewhere there with these best comedies, you know.

It's

danced outside the lines.

Is that what we say?

Oh, you were blonde hair in that.

That's right.

I'm blonde.

But Robert Downey Jr.

got an Oscar nomination.

You don't hear about that very often in the comedies.

Was it for that?

For supporting role in

Tropic Thought.

I didn't know that.

Ben Stiller,

he really wanted to shoot that like a beautiful, not like a comedy.

He wanted it to look like a gorgeous Oscar non-and he got like the best outdoor cinematographer in the world

whose name escapes me now, but he's a genius.

Of course it does.

Sorry about that.

I can't remember any names.

Just

what about Casualties of War?

It's probably that guy, yeah, they have those old, those old movies like that.

Uh-oh, yeah, that wasn't a war.

I'm not gonna make you do it, you know.

I just think that's not a sex of movies,

do you do Sean Penn or Michael J.

Fox?

Sean Penn, she's a VC Gouka.

Um, Clocky, do you remember that movie?

Of course, I saw Riley.

John Riley was Clark, John C.

Riley.

That was a weird pick for Michael J.

Fox to be in that movie.

Yeah.

Well,

he was going for that

switcheroo.

Well, you know, because he'd been known for comedies and he wanted to say, hey, wait a second.

Let's just test the waters.

Let me dip my toe in these other water.

You can't blame him.

Sometimes it works.

Look at Steve Carell.

Look at Steve Carell if you want to talk about going from comedy to drama.

That blows my mind when when some, and you don't know until you try.

So why the hell not?

It's fun to try.

The worst that can happen is that you can be horrible and never work again.

Do you get wounded easily?

Do you read comments or reviews that you don't, and do you read them at all?

And do you get wounded or you have a good attitude?

Like, that's just that guy's opinion.

Fuck him or whatever.

Yeah, I read the negative ones.

I skip over the good ones.

I'll get, I'll get the gist of it and like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, good.

That's, and I look for those bad ones.

I'll read every word.

And I will like mutter to myself, fuck you, you fucking asshole.

Who is that?

Yeah, I do too.

Owen Gleberman or whoever it is.

I'm not going to.

Ah, guys, from Entertainment Weekly.

He hated me, too.

Owen Gleberman, that guy's famous troll.

I'm going to

commit this name to memory.

And if I ever see this, this reviewer on the street, I'll have some choice words.

I've never followed up on any of them, but sure.

His review was a little harsh.

He said, Tommy Boy, this worthless piece of shit.

I'm like, hey, come on, that's a magazine.

He didn't say that.

No, he usually hated everything I did.

Here's your review for Saturday Night Live.

I have it right here.

Jack Black is nothing short of a miracle.

He just saved

season 50 of SNL.

Over here, I have Minecraft.

Jack Black is exceptional.

It's a performance that shouldn't be this good, but it is.

He owns every second of the movie.

This is a Jack Black summer.

Oh, man.

Thank you for cherry-picking the good ones because I know it's a splat on Rotten Tomatoes.

You had to go find those fresh ones.

You found some fresh ones for me.

Thank you.

Well, on YouTube, it was combined to get 100 years.

Here's a 10 times Jack Black wasn't funny.

It's got 48 million views.

Is that really on YouTube?

I'm sure that's real.

I'll see it in the corner of my eye.

Was Dan Carvey ever funny?

And I click off as fast as I can.

Is there any evidence ever?

10 movies David Spade ruined with his presence.

That was made up.

It sounded a little too real, though, because they do that.

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Was this guy...

48 million was a lie 48 million was stout

but are you writing

how are you emotion i don't know if you have a therapist or anything but like this big whoosh and i know you've got this big life big mature adult person and you see where uh there's highs and lows of a career and this and that but where are you able to kind of like sit for a moment i've done good do you have a ball

yourself or are you a little numb right now actually um i try to look for the one bad thing that's happening and focus on that that keeps me grounded

that you had to do this today and why would you book this so soon couldn't you get a week

i was looking forward to this uh i love you guys and i i've been hoping that we could uh get it together i uh i uh

i feel good feels good yeah a hit yeah um i'm always skeptical though i'm like can we just wait for a second before we go talk calling it a hit what if it tanks next weekend let's see if this baby's got legs talk to me in a couple weeks okay guys i'm always

stopped throwing what's the number where you will just go it's a hit like a billion to 500 million global box office what's the number where you would go okay because it's it's probably 350 by the by the end of this weekend i predict it'll be

Here's the thing.

I do have a little thing about numbers and math.

I do like to think about that.

So I go, okay, if it costs $150 to make, and then you figure they probably spent almost that much on promoting it.

So there's 300 right there.

And then you go, okay, so if it goes, if you go to a theater and it makes the monies, if it makes 300 million, then is it broken even?

No, because you only get half of that.

The theaters keep half the money.

So then you got to make double that.

You got to make 600 million really to break even.

And then you go, okay, so 600, but so that's break even.

So it's not really a hit until it's made more than 600.

So you got to make like 700

to think that it's really a hit.

700.

And that's a big monster number.

Do you have gross points on the film?

No, I don't.

This might not be true, but my manager said, no, they don't do that anymore.

Maybe that's not true.

Maybe, maybe she's just telling me that so that

I don't feel jealous of Jason Momoa.

I don't know what Jason Mamoa's deal is.

Maybe he got the gross points.

Okay, this is on entertainmentweekly.com.

Jack Black foregoes salary for gross points on

a

Minecraft movie.

Oh, man.

I wish.

Good Lord.

Could you imagine if I had pulled that gamble?

I never bet on myself like that.

I'm always like, no, no, just make sure we get the money up front.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's always like, you know, the taxes and the commissions and then the box office, it's like you're just running in water.

So you can't ever get a brother get a dime.

I mean, it's a first world complaint.

It's hard to get rich, but everyone hears it made a billion.

Can I get a nickel, brother?

No, we're not even profit yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I'm a.

It's a risky game.

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all right we'll let jack go but let me ask a couple wrap-up questions just 30 quick questions

i'll go i'll try to rapid fire i'm not good at these i'm a slow guy

no these aren't wrapped

this one or this one series of questions.

It'll be quick.

All right.

No, this is

just want to say good job in Jumanji.

I thought that was good.

Oh, thank you.

I like Jumanji.

Yeah.

Jumanji was great.

And I go, I watched it and I go, I get why this is a hit.

Yeah.

It wasn't even exactly for me.

It's kind of for slightly younger, but I'm like, I get it.

It's funny.

Yeah.

It's cool, weird.

I like it.

Glad they kept doing them.

I'd say when you're not doing drama,

you do drama.

If you're not doing drama, then I think it's an underrated commodity.

And it happened on SNL.

I haven't seen Minecraft yet.

But that

you are fun

and make people happy.

So when I see you out there dancing and singing, I'm just happy and you're fun.

And I do think where the world is today or whatever you want to call that, it's just fun is underrated, you know, fun.

And when you're having fun and you were having fun the whole show, I believe, with the Indiana Jones guy and the

whip.

The first play guy was that one.

That was great, too.

You know, that was fantastic.

Calling

one that I like, you know, bass, bass lake, where I keep playing bass.

Another one that was great.

One uppers was really funny for everybody.

Oh, yeah.

Those camera angles.

I was still a little sweaty from my monologue when we did that, though, I noticed on the close-up.

But yeah, it was really funny.

And if we had Make It Love really started out and then really killed it.

Brandy.

What started with the Eagle noise?

That was that was one-upping because we were one-upping each other with how socially conscious we all were.

And it would make the eagle noise.

That one was really funny to me.

It had like hints of Debbie Downer.

You know what I mean?

Where it's like the sound and then looking right down the barrel of the camera.

Yeah.

It just works.

It just works.

And it was well written.

Well, to connect the two people flexing to everyone else or what they're doing is so great.

And then have the violence of chat, you know, take that.

I mean,

that was inspired.

I thought the writing was really first rate.

I thought it was inspired writing.

The Goth Kid Vacation really made me laugh.

And you came in.

Oh, yeah, that was a great pre-tape.

We filmed that the day before.

But that other song, The Making Love, that was

shit, I'm getting a phone call.

Sarah Squirm.

Sorry.

Is it Sarah Squirrel?

We have editing capabilities.

Go ahead.

Why didn't I?

I should have done the thing where I where I

turn off your phone.

Yeah, duh.

You call Entertainment Weekly back.

Yeah.

Anyways,

that Making Love one,

we did it in

the rehearsal before the dress rehearsal, and it was just, just, it was a hot mess.

I was like, there's zero chance this is going to make it to air.

And something happened where they just cut out a few lyrics,

a couple stanzas, made it a little easier.

And all of a sudden, it was one of my favorites of the whole night.

And that song really was like a catchy tune.

And when

Brandy Carlisle comes in at the end and sings her ass off, I was like, holy shit.

So it's kind of a funny thing that can happen where from the first rehearsal to to the dress rehearsal something can click and it gets to be a hundred times better i know and then it clicks and then it's on live tv and you're done with it that when it works it's brand

it really came together you two floating in air and then bowen and then

her voice sounded so great i just wait was it a lavalier mic or did they put a little bit of echo on it she was just well she has one of the voices of our time basically she actually does have just an incredible voice, but I've,

yeah, they did a good job of micing her, but I think it is just

her resonating chainback.

I think The Joker.

The Joker is one of the best, you know, kind of pop rock songs of the last decade.

And I've played it for people.

You know, sometimes with people, you're around, maybe YouTube's on, you go, hey, have you heard this song, heard that song?

I've won stereo wars by going, have you heard this?

And then they just go, they can't believe it, how brilliant the lyrics are and her vocal is crazy.

So, I think another one that deserves a shout out because

in the first read-through that we did on like that first day or the second day,

there was this one for the

flaming hot Cheetos and then the flaming hot commercial.

Preparation H.

I laughed so hard in the read-through that I got a little bit injured.

Have you ever had that where you laugh too hard and you pull a muscle in your ribs?

And it made me like have to hold a different body position for the next two skits sketches and uh and i was really glad that that made it to air but when i saw the final version of it i was like oh holy shit you can see like the side of my butt cheek this is really kind of way more intense than i had even imagined while we were reading it at the table but they added so many graphics well you've shown throughout your career that you're you're game for anything like you know i mean but I did see the side of your ass, and I thought, where is this going?

How graphic is this gonna go?

Yeah, show more ass.

Yeah, they didn't show hole, but they'd

all

think you could ever want.

Uh, we did the pre-tapes like the day before.

Did we do those on Friday?

No, I think we did them on Thursday, but it was a lot.

I mean, they fucking beat you up.

It was on Friday, and it was.

I remember it because I had to wake up at the fucking crack and do like

almost a full day of pre-tapes because we did two.

We did Preparation H and

Goth Kid in Jamaica, which was also really two pre-tapes.

Did you do that in read-through or do you?

Oh, you said read-through, but for pre-tapes, they don't just assign them.

You actually read them and say, oh, they're working.

Yeah, but you know,

I, yeah, I, I, uh,

uh, I was down.

I like the idea of pre-tapes because even though it's a long day, it lightens the the load on the actual show.

And they both crush.

They both are great.

Did you, I mean, your energy, did you ever like before the air show, were you in your dressing room kind of going, okay, are you like Fraser on the stool coming out in the 15th round?

Or are you feeling really good?

Because it's like

the audience and the live element will bring a lot of energy, but it seemed like your energy was just perfectly up there all the way through the show.

Good.

It must have felt good because you don't know.

It's like riding a horse and you go do i have this and you got it you know what's weird is right before the show

uh a couple hours before actually um

donna the the lady the real nice lady who dresses you and does all the quick changes is running all around she said um is there anything you'd like to eat honey And I've got this feeling like that's what it sounds like right before you die when they say, this is your last meal before the electric chair, anything you want.

And I was like, I really have

a taste for like an Italian chopped salad, no onions.

You got it, babe.

We're going to get it for you.

I know.

I love when they're calm backstage.

But when I was there with Maya,

everybody felt like right after dress, everyone wanted to literally just crawl into a bed.

Like there's a moment I said, this is normal.

Right now, you're going to want to go to sleep.

You're exhausted.

I did take a nap.

Yeah, you did.

Yeah.

You did after dress?

I didn't take a nap, but I laid down because it was like an hour and a half.

Yeah.

And I just looked.

Donna got me a nice pillow and I just put my head down for a little while.

Fucking baby.

Because the knocking is the tough part.

You know, if you, someone didn't get the memo and you're just about to nod off.

Oh, yeah.

Excuse me.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't know you were resting.

Oh, it's just that we're doing a change on the.

I'll come back later.

All right.

Let's let him go, Danny.

He's been a good sport.

Oh, man.

Great to see you guys.

Jack, you're a stud, dude.

Thanks for talking.

You're blessed.

I love any time.

I love the

chrono idea.

I'm going to do that.

Chrono Marathon.

Yeah, I'm going to do it.

I've been doing it with the Beatles.

Maybe I'll do Top.

Have you done it with the Beatles?

The Chrono Marathon?

Well,

I just do so much of them, but I haven't done literally from Love Me Do all the way to the other side, too.

No, that would be another way to.

I'm going to take those early albums a lot because you're like, nah, they were still just kids.

They didn't really get their C-legs to rubber soul.

But you got to go all the way.

Well, let me just say two things before we hang out because this is, you know,

the early Beatles, somebody, oh, they weren't so good.

No, they did the best two-minute pop songs.

She loves you.

I want to hold your hand.

They reinvented the genre.

It's not like they got better.

It's just the group that became that group, of course, they would do the best two-minute pop songs in history.

And

the other one was

that

Penny Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields were recorded before Sgt.

Pepper, after Revolver.

They were going to be on Sergeant Pepper, but they made him into double A-side.

So they were just a single, Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane.

And then they ended up, all the leftovers ended up, along with I'm a Walrus on Magical Mystery Tour.

So Magical Mystery Tour, in some ways, is the greatest album ever made because it has Strawberry Fields, I'm a Walrus, and Penny Lane, just those three and others.

Did you see that eight-hour movie that peter jackson oh yeah that's the that's your boy i had to break it up into three pieces though i watched like the the first three hours second and

but um that

boy i to see them to see them writing that album

um let it be right

it was uh oh that's one of those times where you're like if i could just be a fly on the wall for this one time in history that would be heaven He fucking got it.

He got the, he got the fly on the wall and one of the top 10 things you'd ever want to watch.

Four weeks later, they go to Abbey Road with George Martin and they're starting to do Abbey Road.

And, you know, because you see the antecedents there, he's going, you know, I don't know what to do.

Is something in the way?

You know, just say like a cauliflower.

You know, something so you get the lyric.

You know.

What's funny to me is that the whole film, all of that shooting was an afterthought.

It was the camera crew and director who was filming some shitty movie that

Ringo Starr was shooting that no one ever heard of or saw.

But they were like, hey, since we're here, is it okay if we just film the making of your next album with the Beatles?

Oh, that's the boys.

Is it cool if this guy comes in and films?

We probably should actually.

Is it not a bad idea?

And then they fucking got this gold

that sat there.

I love the guy who keeps on going up, guys.

You've got to do the final farewell concert in Dubai.

Or wherever the fuck is the worst idea.

Wherever it was.

I was like, they're going to end up on the roof of the building you're in, you jackass.

Yeah.

Because he kept on pushing it.

No, you got to go to.

I can't remember where it was.

All right.

It's been a blast.

I've been hanging out with you.

And we'll see you around campus.

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