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That's code FLY50OFF at factormills.com slash FLY50OFF for 50% off plus free shipping. Okay, we've got Mark Maron, Dana, who I see a lot of the comedy store, comedian, obviously a huge podcaster, one of the OG podcasters that had always, you could always hear, he's still going with it, but you know, it was all the big names, all the interesting stuff.
And I see him do standup all the time and I run into him a lot. He's a good dude.
And we talked, we were just curious about like, cause he and Rogan on a few others kind of started in like 09, 08, 09 a podcast. It was just like a caveman with no audience and who would do that.
And then it grew to this behemoth. And he got President Barack Obama on his podcast.
And to do his podcast, he had to drive way up in the middle of nowhere and in the middle of LA. And, uh, so that was a big thing.
So we do talk about his, his journey. It wasn't easy all the time.
The podcast kind of saved him and he created a, I think he's done 1600 episodes. He has a lot of stories and he's very self winding watch.
Like we we didn't have to prompt too much he really had a

lot of great things to talk about so yeah i was into it and that blew that that hour blew by so it went by fast he's he knows he knows how to podcast he really told some good stories funny and uh it was it was interesting i i would keep listening yeah so check him out here's mark listening. Yeah.
So check them out. Here's Marc Maron.
Yeah. All these glasses.
I got other choices. I got better ones.
Are you in the same house? You're in the same. You have not moved.
Since you did it? It looks familiar. This is a different house, but the stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all the stuff from that original garage is in this room.
Are you in the same neighborhood? You don't have to tell us your actual address. Is it Los Feliz? Do you want me to just send you a link to a map where everybody could- No, drop me a picture.
Well, I already have a map of your house. It's called After Talk.
Anyway, whatever. No, I'm in Glendale.
I was in Highland Park. I got it.
Yeah. I like that place.
The old place? Yeah. I mean, it was casual and cool.
You had guitars and cozy. I still got all that.
A little more spread out. Before, that was less than 1,000 square feet, one bathroom.
If you had to go to the bathroom, you had to go into the same bathroom that I use. I live in a very small house small house everything you own owns your back i'm not into it you occupy a house you live in your body you can't fuck a house you can't eat it i i think you can't fuck a house it really just depends on where where you enter and i saw a thing about it comedians don't laugh they just think what about the guy that married his car you know i just wanted i want to start the podcast this way every comedian knows this about you ah where were you david when you heard that mark maron has barack obama on his podcast because that was like what the fuck because this was early days of podcasting right i remember being blown away by that.
I think most people were still kind of like, what is a podcast exactly? And where do I got to go? Yeah. Totally.
It was 2012, right? So it was nowhere. It was 16.
Still no. The number of people that used to come down to the house would drive out to my driveway and literally say like, where are we? Is this part of LA? I've never been out here.
What are we doing? Yeah. I can't believe you got him out there because I can't believe you got me out there.
I can't believe you got Todd Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one.
Yeah. Rich Voss was right after Obama.
That was tough to get him out. Yeah.
It gets hard sometimes. Was it a ratings drop so much you pulled a muscle? We just thought it was appropriate.
Rich's thoughts. To continue what we were doing.
Right. We did one episode where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the podcast.
And we went right to Rich. And, you know, Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull.
It's, you know, somewhere lower middle. It's okay.
Well, Rich, it's no offense no offense to him. I was just laughing.
Whoever has to follow Obama is just going to be a tough sledding. That's right.
I don't know if he thought about it like that. Rich is a good guy.
I don't think he gives a shit. So everyone had a podcast now.
It's you and Rogan, right? 2009. I guess.
It was really like corolla was there uh rogan i don't i don't think started at the same i think rogan started a little after us but uh like jimmy pardo was there benson benson was probably there maybe hardwick was like starting out but i think rogan started a little after me but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts you know todd glass is good at not making money and i think he had one early he's a good friend of mine right with with jimmy door yeah so right so that's what that was there i think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking and i think got out right before the the money, maybe. Or does he still do it? No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general is to try to get ahead of making the money.
Yeah, that's kind of. What's funny is I used to think a podcast because he had it in my friend's car shop upstairs, which he just rented, which was perfect was perfect it was perfect yeah and uh the odd thing about the whole undertaking was none of us really there was really no money to be made you know adam was like doing his radio show so he was kind of subsidized somehow did he get fired and said okay i'm just gonna do it on here kind of thing there wasn't a 97.1 maybe he got fed up mad mad about something something like that yeah he was whatever yeah he was all worked up and you know he was gonna take his stories about you know drywalling from 20 years ago elsewhere he is a handyman that's funny he's good with a tool uh yeah but but i was i was like i got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought Corolla's, I think I went on there a little early, where I was like, before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting, which it was sort of a slow, I could get a feel for it before most people, because everyone else has just got their head doing their work and they do normal jobs.
But I started to go, oh, no, is this something? And'm gonna wait till it's a little late then we're gonna try one so yeah no but but the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized like hey you guys have names you can't lose before it was like who the fuck are we found a way to lose i don't think anybody really realizes the the the excitement in, you know, when you, when, when Corolla was like the only game in town, like, I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla. That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says okay well thanks for coming by it's something to be uh experienced we're working on room for everybody but it did you have a eureka moment that you could call back on like holy shit maybe there's money in this because how long did you do it essentially for free before your money to arrive hold on i i'm watching my cat throw up don't eat plastic get out of the room for a moment i did when i peed last night i'm checking celebrity net worth okay anyway so i don't even know if that's right well well no i'm kidding i didn't check what happened was there was like at the beginning you you either had if you were going to put up a paywall you couldn't you couldn't get new audience right so we had done a radio show goodbye wall yeah goodbye well no but no one welcome let's put up a goodbye wall on ours dan you can do it well that was before before the, what is it called? What's that thing everyone does where they can get a pay page? Pantheon or what is it? Oh, Raytheon.
We all don't know. Raytheon or Pantheon.
You know that. I know what you mean.
Patreon. So what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days.
It was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve sex toys.
And we had- Crazy Eddie's electronics. That kind of thing.
But then we had the coffee sponsor. But there was really no way to make money except for the old school radio way.
And then ultimately, we started working with old-timey radio ad people. And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Aukerman put Midroll together and the Earwolf Network.
And that created a platform to get advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone sort of came up together.
But it wasn't until I guessed it. Hey, Charlie, get away from the plastic.
Charlie, I'm going to throw you out, stupid.

So that's how you talk to a cat, by the way.

Is that your tech?

Yeah, that's my producer.

That's your IT guy.

I don't know.

It was a slow going, but the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together,

sort of like show business.

Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along.

And then big money got involved. And then some people won and some people did okay come on dude charlie's here now charlie give me that plastic hold on let me get him out of here let me get him out of here honestly put him on on glendale freeway i know i can't just look at that get out you can eat plastic and throw up i don't care it's showbiz

heather we got to get charlie on the room um but yeah but yeah i mean it took a long time to really

get it together and then to uh to make a living it took years for my producer to come on with me

permanently he was actually had another job at msnbc while he was kind of moonlighting

and he couldn't even admit that he worked with me because there there's a non-disclosure. You couldn't, you know, he couldn't.
Yeah, it was, it was part of his contract with MSNBC. And I felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work and I, and I just had to be like, well, I have a mystery guy that helps me with this.
I send it into the ether once or twice a week. It's good.
More attention on you. That's not horrible.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sometimes not for, not great for me. What's the headspace like, like when you first start doing this, I guess when it starts to emerge, you're doing, you're starting to be successful.
Right. And you're going, okay, I did this interview.
I get this many, this reaction. I do this interview.
Holy shit. This is 10 times 10 X.

Well, I think the exciting part about it was, was like, as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not many people were doing anymore. So the entertainment press sort of realized I was doing most of their job.
So we got a lot of attention, but I was really focused on having these conversations and trying to, uh, you know, make amends where necessary. I think the first hundred episodes are me just, uh, having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them.
And that's, and it's weird how many times you do that and people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about.'re like i'm a fucking idiot so so that was how that unfolded but the excitement of having robin on with because that interview seems to be like the only interview like that like when he when he died it was everywhere because he never talked like that and and those kind of rare conversations definitely happened that was interesting because because you did. It became very, very real with Robin and he never, you know, he had made amends to me in Mill Valley on the sidewalk.
I just after a show. Yeah.
And I didn't know why. For a bit he just stole.
Sorry. I just said to him, he thinks he had some idea that I took.
I said, I tried to do you. You don't understand.
Yeah. I had a trunk of props.
I worshipped you. And I don't know if it was from AA or something like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way.
You know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're forgiven.
I didn't. He thought I had a thing where I named my dick Mr.
Happy and that he took that for me. I know that's not true.
I never did Mr. Happy.
Look where this goes on podcast. That's hilarious.
That was the amends. It wasn't even like some personal affront.
It's like, I know you might have called your dick Mr. Happy.
And oh, that's the best amends I've ever heard in my life. He said it to me 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller miller's wedding we were at the same table i wonder perhaps i got mr happy from you and i go no and then it it tortured

him it stuck with him well the funny thing about that interview is i drove up there to mill valley

to his house and what i realized it was the same with mel brooks is that if they don't have more

than two people to play to they're not going to turn it on like that like it was just me and robin

If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie Hall set. Yeah.
My dick's name is Mr. Sad, in a side note.
And no one's stolen it yet. Oh.
Okay. That's all I wanted.
Go ahead. Just want to stop that momentum.
My dick's name is, you got this.

You got it.

My dick's name is, come on, champ.

Come on.

Yeah, come on.

My pronouns are, what's up, motherfucker?

Yeah, there you go.

Call her then.

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No, I have a question from Mark Maron. Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How did I get this gig? No, this is good because you- Your story of, just a quick insert, David.
When we interviewed Lorne Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for SNL just to get ideas of how Lorne is in that environment. Yeah, he really is.
You are an SNL guy. Your journey with that is fascinating if you want to talk about it for a minute.
My obsession with it. What's your question, like to converse this one will we we can do this first or snl first but mine was why did you start it was it only to make amends was that to start a podcast no because you know i was kind of down for the count you know it turns out that you know 50 conans don't don't necessarily don't add up to Carson Don't add up to Conan An audience

I was going to say, I saw 50 Conans on here, and I was going to say, does that bump your road? No, it didn't. 50 Conans? I don't even know.
I never could pull an audience. I was going through a divorce.
I was in a dark place. I'd just gotten fired from this radio gig.
Well, it was a streaming gig for Air America. And there were a couple of podcasts out there.
And we were like, well, let's figure it out. I talked to my producer, who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old.
He worked with me forever. And we just figured it out.
But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow. Because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, B comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner.
Match game. Maybe.
Yeah, I know. I know.
I have friends that are in that mid-level market, and there's cruise ships and old folks' homes and clubs, off-label clubs out in the hinderlands. I couldn't do cruise ships.
It's tough. But I couldn't do it.
There was no way I could have done it. How am I going to do a cruise ship? I can barely do, like, what? I don't know.
But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, everything that I have now came from that. Like, you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs, everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary past, which had no future.
There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is gonna, we going to really make some money on this. It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it.
You were like Bitcoin, like no one cared. No one cared.
I wasn't even a meme at that point. But it worked out.
Thank God it worked out. I can't even explain it because I even explain it because I don't, I'm not like a big, not a big thing.
I don't think about money, David. Yeah.
Oh, you don't. I like having it enough to eat.
Yeah. You know, like that's, that's the, that's how my brain works is like, well, what do you have? You have money now.
What do you do? I can eat wherever I want. That's the ceiling.
Money, money is freedom. That's what it's for.
even the great neil young about two years ago finally sold part of his catalog and said i could and this is neil young you'd think he'd be so rich but he he said now i can do whatever the fuck i want i don't have to tour if i don't want to that he bought his freedom so money to especially as an older comedian, you want to be able to work the way you want to work. So that's interesting about Neil Young is he really, he kind of held back on what seems to be about 50 records he never released.
So he somehow or another, he can release records every year or so, you know, from 1970. And it's amazing.
If you're spending three, four million a year, then you need a lot of money to cough that up. You know, but I was going to ask you about your library because is it 1600 episodes or something? Something like that.
Yeah, it's like about 1600. But Neil came over once.
That was interesting with Neil. Oh, you interviewed? Oh, you had Neil? Tell me about that.
I didn't hear that hear that one well because i you know i'm i'm enough of a fan to know enough about him i'm much better if i'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing and i didn't know what to expect he was out pushing remember when he made that that he was partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the ipod oh yeah yeah yeah yeah he's a sound fanatic yeah it was something else no i i it was it was like a a box yeah like a portable box oh what was it called so they send me this thing and they send me these fancy ear headset and it's it picks up a bigger spectrum of sound and people have to re-recordrecord for it. What was it called? It doesn't matter.
So they send me. Great.
Look it up. They send me the thing.
And I listen to it. I'm like, all right, whatever.
I just want to, I'll talk to Neil Young. So they send me the thing.
And I was told that when they get there, you're going to have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever.
So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young. And like, I, I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be listening for, for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something.
That's something I've learned with, with guys like Springsteen, these guys interview. So Neil comes over with his like 80 year old posse.
He's got, he's got two, two guys with him that, you know, must've been in their seventies. Elliot, his manager who passed away and another guy.
And it's always the manager is even older than the old guy. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Except for George Shapiro, who was Carl Reiner's cousin, younger, but i don't even know what's it called pono i think he passed away oh no yeah pono music digital service yeah so they come over and neil walks in and you remember the house you said it like it's just two rooms he's looking at my records he looks at a guitar i have out he goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around and, and I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the Pomo and the headphones and Neil just, you know, just those, no, you can keep them.
So I'm thinking I'm in, this guy likes me. Right.
So we go out to the garage and I decided the way to, the way to start with him is just, I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it. So I figured that'll get things started.
Right. So I get Neil out there and I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there.
Right. He's like, nah, I don't know what you're talking about.
And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just, well, he did though, but I didn't know no one told me he likes to fuck with interviewers so he's making me work my balls off and it wasn't until i got him laughing that it opened up but it took like 15 minutes and it was like it was hard but then like all of a sudden he pops open he's talking about doing pilates with the daryl anna and and all this stuff is coming out and then apparently he goes home and at his house, Dan Rather is waiting to interview him for Dan Rather's podcast.
I don't know. Access or whatever that was.
Right. Cable.
And my buddy Brendan's friend works for Rather. And apparently Neil Young walks in and he comes from my house.
He says, I just did a really great interview. And Dan Rather, off camera, of course, says, what made made it great he goes uh the guy was fearless and he wasn't afraid to fail and i'm like hey that's good that's a good blurb wow but he tested me he definitely tested me wow that would freak out that we had we had um dave and i a similar thing with paul mccartney And I don't know if you have, or with your personality, but podcast regret.
Like, why did I interrupt him then? That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? And I'll be kind of in my head, really, for a couple weeks sometimes.
McCartney bothered me for probably a month. What I get is like, fuck, I forgot to cover the most important thing they're known for.
Yeah. But, but I interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me, but it's like, but for me, it's like, it's gotta be a conversation and I have to be part of it.
So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny.
I had to interview him in front of a crowd. And that was really one of the best moments i've had talking to somebody because i talked to a lot of these guys who are like you know pushing a record and and a lot of them like roger waters or like i've interviewed a lot of thomas dolby whatever they think that the record they're out promoting is their best shit right and it's like All right, I'll play along.
So with McCartney, he's out selling, it was at Capitol records. It was an event, but the record that he had had out was Egypt station or something, which no one bought.
But I said to him, I said, so Paul, you know, a lot of artists who were in your age group, they, they really they're doing their best work now. Do you feel that way? And without missing a beat, he goes, well, I was in the Beatles.
So that's a pretty high bar. It was so funny.
That's great. And I was the guy that told them that Manson had died.
He didn't know. I think for me, there's a lot of us.
Where are are you in this i mean for i wanted to ask you musically but also movies but with music what what is there a guy somebody you haven't had yet or who is your true north star was it now was it well roger waters pink floyd dark side of the moon um for me paul McCartney of Beatle was kind of the...

Beatle was great.

And I met Ringo recently, who I'm sure you've met.

He's a pretty sweet guy.

No, we would love to interview Ringo.

Yeah, I met him at some odd listening party

that I got invited to by T-Bone Burnett

of Ringo's new country record.

And that crowd was pretty interesting

to see these 75-year-old hippie girls

who are still kind of hippie girls, but they're 75. Yeah uh wait who had the country on Ringo yeah just put it out yeah yeah T-Bone Burnett produced it and I think he produced he now Beyonce did I think she got a little more press but um but no for me the North Star I've had most of them Springsteen't.
Springsteen was funny because, you know. And I just saw him because I did a bit, a little part in that movie they're making about him.
But I went to Jersey, dude. I went to his house in Jersey, like Christmas week.
And he just put that book out. And, you know, it turns out he's a very dark dude, hard on himself but all this stuff but like you know he's got this thing he does publicly that's the other trick getting around people's public personas because you know bruce is sort of like hey me and the guys went down the boardwalk and so yeah he wrote a song yeah yeah we know about all about there yeah yeah it's the underbite i get there and like i said he's up in his house i'm waiting in some sort of like uh this other structure that's got his guitars his motorcycle oh yeah in it and i'm waiting for bruce and he yeah he has no idea really i don't think who i am because he's walking down he's walking down house.
His publisher and publicist said you should do this one. And he's walking down from the house.
I just see him coming down, little Bruce. Yeah, and he's holding the book.
And I'm like, oh, he doesn't know what he's getting into. So he sits down, and I want to break the ice quick because, again, I love Bruce, but I'm not a huge Springsteen fan so so i said to him i said uh so uh so what's going on up in the house we had a preparation for the holidays cooking and presents and he goes correct and i'm like can i talk to that guy for the whole hour whoever the guy that just went correct with that tone i want that springsteen and and and well how How did you you do that did you yeah yeah i i kind of reeled him in because like i by inserting myself into the conversation they kind of they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless they're complete douchebags like ben kingsley so and i don't mean to name drop but no i i love i love sexy beast yeah fucking unbelievable it was the the worst interview like i should have told him to leave it was that bad and i don't know why i didn't because you and he's hung up on because i'm being called uh uh sir sir sir ben so i and i didn't do that at the beginning and i wish i said i wish i just said sir ben we don't have to do this we don't have to do it uh but anyway with bruce i kind of pushed in you know and i to the point where i was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff and i just remember there was this moment where you know we're talking about what you get from an audience and how like it it's like not enough sometimes.

And he was like, of course it isn't.

So I had him locked into a real conversation, which, again, I heard from another person.

I got some notes on that, too, because Paul Wilkenfeld, you know, the bass player, he's a little prodigy.

He plays with everybody. And she's.
Oh, play with Jeff Beckett one. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And she hangs her on the store a lot and stuff.
Well, she was going on a press tour and she, I guess, was, you know, somewhere with Bruce. And she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers.
And and Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk about, you just talk about what you want to talk about. Just, you know, bulldoze.
And then she said, well, you know, my friend Marc Maron interviewed you and he said, yeah, he pushed. Oh, that's good.
Well, you know, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that. He'd say, you'd ask him a question like, what happened with those maids? And he goes, this movie is unbelievable yeah he's like because you can't use anything but what he says and he doesn't even acknowledge your question i love that arnold can never go negative he had one movie i guess last action hero he's on yeah matt lauer well the box office wasn't quite no people love the movie and it's a great hit all over the world you know he can't ever ever go negative.
The best dance he does is around his dad probably being a Nazi. That's a great dance because he'll always preempt that with like, you know, I have many Jewish friends, you know, like, okay.
Okay. He taught us the salute.
And for us, it was just, if you want a candy bar, you do the salute and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand. We didn't know what it was about.
And things like this and all these things and these people and what they say and all this stuff. Does he ever talk about the maid? We love Arnold.
He has a relationship with the kids. And I think after a certain point, you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was, he's owned it.
And, you know, he's good with the kids. Once everything came out and he finally goes, all right, let's go bench.
And the kid was like trying to meet him in the middle like I work out. Yeah.
You're my dad. Look at my face.
Yeah. It is what you can't run from that kid.
You have to move on. It's a lesson.
I mean, one of my brothers, I've got three older brothers, and we always say, what would Arnold do? Only for the positivity of it. It is what it is, and you have to move on.
And I love everybody, rather than negative and whiny. But it seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways.
So you go with that. Did you, cause Springsteen's old book is about that.
Oh yeah. That was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that.
He's got a switch in his head. Like he won't even hear it.
Like, you know, and he's very charming. Like he, you know, like he, you know, he gets on, he sits down, he goes, look at your pecs.
You know, he goes right into it. And you kind of feel flattered.
You're like, oh, thank you. Yeah.
Somebody skipped a dealt day. You know what he said to us? He goes, how do you guys stay so lean? You know, because you're little.
And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs live longer than the big dog. You're two little dogs interviewing me.
You're so little. The whole time, he's not listening to our questions.
He's just staring at our physique going, look at that rib cage. I need to get small.
When you get older, you have to be small because the heart and all the things has to

work harder and all the things and all the people i think his heart kind of blew up didn't it he's

had some had some work done in there david i don't know if you know this about me but i've always been

a fan of exploring new places not like you kind of you know no no offense and one of my best trips

listen up is when I stayed

at an Airbnb

felt like I was

living like a local

with all the

Thank you. No offense.
And one of my best trips, listen up, is when I stayed at an Airbnb.

It felt like I was living like a local with all the space.

You know, hotels can be a hassle room service.

And then the housekeeper, it's a hassle.

So then you go to Airbnb and you can get whatever you want, a little cottage, this and that.

It's fantastic.

You have your own separate space.

So it's a great product for people who travel. David? Yes, I have friends doing one of these right now.
If you have a home, you can Airbnb it. It's fantastic.
I mean, to monetize your home when you're not there seems like a good idea. I mean, look, I'm on the road a lot.
I could probably do it. It's something that people can do when they travel.
They have extra space. Or you're at a place not full-time.
You come in the winter. You leave in the summer.
That's something you should think about. It's a way to get some extra money.
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I have another question for Mark. This is my second one.
Mark, do you think, you don't remember this, you were in the movie Joker.

Now, do you think that, did you, do you think what happened to the second Joker in your humble opinion? I don't know what, I think Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind. and decided to take this interesting cinematic risk that, you know, you know, failed miserably apparently, but I didn't see it.

Did you?

I heard about it.

I couldn't get through the poster.

I didn't see it.

I just, I, I couldn't take when I, the.

No, I love Todd Phillips.

I think that's one of those things as, as I backtrack, I think it's one of the

Thank you. Take when I, the, I love Todd Phillips.

I think that's one of those things as,

as I backtrack,

I think it's one of the things where great movie Dana was about to say some comments,

but the same thing,

great movie.

And then it's,

it's just crazy.

If you can do literally anything you want and he just goes,

let me just try this will work or won't work.

Well,

the interesting thing is, is he, he had a, you know, he'd rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first one. So weird.
And, you know, it was, I don't know. He was nice to me and that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert De Niro.
And, you know, I thought that movie was pretty good. That first Joker.
But who the hell knows why? You know, he's a gambler, dude. You know, he just is like, you know, fuck it.
Sure. Let's let's do it.
And yeah, I don't know. What's his net worth? I mean, he has freedom, I think.
If he got a back end on The Hangover. Dude, he got a back end on everything.
He's, like, I think, known for foregoing a director's fee. Super back end guy.
Yeah, for a high percentage of the back end. But that scene with De Niro was, like, that was a great moment for me because you know, I know that De Niro's not going to remember me.
I'm just one of those guys that he's met a hundred guys that do two lines with him, right? You're forgettable, yeah. Yeah.
And I know, it's painful. But we're chatting and whatever, you know.
But it's one scene where we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm supposed to be like, you know, his producer. Those are hard, by the way.
They are kind of. For the people at home.
It got cut out. But, you know, Todd's there and Bob's there.
And it's like, you guys just want to go? You ready to do it? And I'm like, yeah, let's do one. So we do this walk and talk.
And I'm like, I got it. I got it.
And he's like, yeah. And Phillips goes, cut.
And I go back to my chair. And I see Robert go go to his chair and I see Robert walk over to Todd and then walk back to his chair and then Todd walks over to me and he goes, hey, you're coming in a little hot.
Oh my God. Just remember Bob's your boss.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
I got it. But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob handled it correctly on set he went and told the director like hey you know I think he's you know he's not really yeah yeah what's his name again will you tell him tell Mr.
Marin yeah I had a girl say it to my face she said it was just an old movie and then I had to kiss a girl I won't say who. i had a girl say it to my face she said bob it was just an oh i did an old movie and then uh i had to kiss a girl i won't say who i had to kiss her and i said hey before and i don't know how i've never done this on camera like she goes just kiss me like i'm your girlfriend i just anything i don't care and i said all right so i i just kiss her not not crazily i just kiss her but i touch her cheek and kiss her and they go cut

and we're all like okay and the director comes up and she says she's not even one foot away from my face she goes can you tell him not to touch my face wow and him was me she did the correct way she told the director but i just made me think of that because i was like i was horrified i'm like Oh, because kissing someone is so scary.

That's interesting though, right? That's interesting because she said, kiss me like you're my, my girl, like she's your girlfriend. But apparently the intimacy of the hand touch was not something she anticipated.
Or maybe she just has never a a boyfriend that she let touch her face yes and i and i wasn't like a super french-a-thon i was just trying to like give her a little mega you know you used to open it you just kiss a little bit it's nothing crazy it's a cute little movie nobody gets hurt and uh you never know what's gonna happen with those things you know so you kissed bob de niro i got like i camera. That was crazy.
You go, hey, I'm ad-libbing. Yeah, yeah.
I'm improvising. Can we improvise? But were you scared? I did a quick scene in the old days with William Dafoe in my very, very old days in a part that Dana turned down during SNL.
And Paul Schrader was the director. And I was almost sick from nerves.
And'm good. And Willem Dafoe, super cool.
Did one scene, same thing. He wouldn't remember in a million years.
But of course you get to your nerves just ramp up. Mine were, it's De Niro.
It's still, no matter what, it's De Niro. Oh, totally.
I felt okay about it. Cause I don't know, like, I think I'm getting better at acting, but the benefit, I talked to Willom Dafoe, not a great time.
Not a great time. Not a great time.
I don't know if I said some. We've had some toughies on here too.
Some are toughies. Yeah.
I don't, I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on, dude. You know, it's like, just roll with me.
Give me something. For fuck's sake.
I got to look at your face for an hour. So.
He's got a lot of character in his face. He a great character it's not it's not a negative thing necessarily it's intense but necessarily it's an intense face to stare at for an hour yeah but uh but no in terms of nerves i think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people because like you know after a certain number of celebrities you talk to you're like wow they're just people and some of them you know aren't even that interesting so uh so knowing that oh again it's true and it's not a bad thing but uh i i i seem to qualify a lot of things like that's not negative i'm not i'm not positive the qualifier.
What happens when you go, Hey Bob, when you want to, if you ever want to buzz over to the Glendale, why don't you pop in and. I'd like to talk to him, but he's, he's one of those guys I can't get.
There are certain directors are hard to get. He's a big chatter though.
That's not probably. He's got more chatty.
He's got more chatty. Who are we talking about? I missed it.
De Niro. Bob De Niro.
Oh, but like in terms of nerves, I nerves, I was more nervous when I had to, I just did an indie where I had to play the lead. And that was a real, I was nervous about that because, you know, I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and I was pretty confident.
And then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone. And it, it, it was a life changing, terrifying thing that was kind of amazing.
And I was nervous to do a scene with her. Yeah.
And, uh, she's kind of intimidating star. That's a big, big star.
It was crazy. I think I got to save the story for when, and if the movie ever ever comes out because i told it and i don't want to necessarily spoil anything but she did the movie because she likes me and it's one scene and it was great and lily gladstone was in it uh alan ruck michael mckean played my manager oh love him yeah the what's his name jason is it jason no it's not jason no the kid from um oh now i feel bad oh he was so fucking funny silver spoons bateman no you know the one who used to do the apple commercials was involved with you barry more for justin long justin long oh justin long funny fucker Yeah, I like him.
Oh my God.

So fucking funny.

But I was nervous about that.

But I just did the best I could.

That's all you can do, right?

Does anybody call you after your podcast?

Who has asked for the most to be taken out?

Don't people go take this out, take that?

Or do you say no?

No, no.

I'm not in the business of sandbagging people.

It's not our jam.

That's our business. Well, that's good.
I hope I gave i hope i gave you enough uh sandbag you get a little sand not enough for a bag almost always i would say always it's only because they said something about somebody else that probably couldn't even have even been taken in a negative way sure it's never like them yeah I just like you know i didn't have to say that about you know we're kind of friends yeah yeah yeah it comes off funny and then later they go what if they get mad or what yeah yeah and people do get mad everyone's talking too much that's the problem with everyone having a fucking podcast it's like you know actors you know are just coming out with like well 20 years ago it's like oh my god we can't get out from under this thing. No one shuts up., 20 years ago.
It's like, oh my God, we can't get out from under this thing.

No one shuts up anymore.

I see ones and now it's like full sex life.

People just have nowhere else to go.

So now it's like, here's everything in my life.

Here's about my plastic surgery.

Here, follow me and my camera into my plastic surgery

and my kidney operation.

What are we doing?

Yeah.

Or people talking about moments they had with people like 20 years ago. Well, not even that just like awkward moments.
And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? Why'd you, I mean, what was going on? But some people are like, it almost seems like they're making up horrible things. Cause they're running out of content.
I know. I know.
Big announcement. You're like this, it takes to,, it happens to be your 100th episode? Yeah.
Well, we know what would trend and get pickup. I don't.
Really, I don't. You never really know what they pick up.
Sometimes you do an interview and there's nothing. Well, it is surprising, but if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop, they have not talked about this.
Like Robin, to trend but it but it well they've been on five podcasts by the time they get to us right well no that's a problem but with robin there was no trending hadn't happened yet so okay and it was quite a lot of hoops to jump through just to get him to do it and you know it just worked out because i was a comic and i'm also like i have a dark And there was no one else there that we got this conversation. And thank God we did because it seems to be the only one.
He literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their NDD interviews.
And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him.

How did he pass away?

Was it George?

Jonathan Winters, he passed away in character,

which is weird.

So it's not clear whether he really dies.

He was actually Ma Frickard and they buried him in the dress,

which I thought was inappropriate.

He's a guy that my dad used to tell me now,

this is common.

And he was funny.

And then when Robin was like, oh, this guy.

But I couldn't appreciate it growing up. I just thought he was funny.
didn't know how good you know you can never really tell i thought they were all those characters like i thought john the winners did was very specific and very detailed it was not just ad hoc he was out there dude he was like out there like it was there's i had a beautiful moment with him in his house it was and i always tell the story i don't know if it really lands so that's a good setup uh yeah but give us the unlandables okay well we're at his house i'm already in i'm all in john the winners and you're talking he was you know he's like he's got this sort of weird you know childlike thing that, you know, he in his house, they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane and he wore a like a Union Army colonel's brimmed hat. But we were walking down this hallway.
He wanted to show me what he said. I want to show you the planes.
Right., what that ultimately was is that he has this four-poster bed in this bedroom and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes, right? That's the destination we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just pictures from a career in show business.
There's Jonathan Winters in every star you could imagine. And then he stops and he points to this old ass picture of this boy with a with a puppy and he goes i miss that dog and i was like oh my gosh you're like this whole life of of entertainment and that's what you know the dog he's a little kid sweet right That's supposed to be sad, David.
That's kind of interesting. I know someone who had dinner at Danny Kaye's house.
Yeah. And he was very quiet during the dinner.
And they're letting everyone out. It's the same kind of thing.
Hall of Fame wall, Danny Kaye pictures. And someone asked one question, then it was two hours, photo by photo.
Here I am with Jack Benny. Here I am here.
Here I am here. Have you watched any of those? Not the Dean Martin roasts, but there's footage somewhere.
I don't know where I found it. Some streaming service of actual Friars Club roasts that were done.
Oh, yeah. I think so.
I might have seen one. It's always the same guys, and it's not a great day as henny youngman's always there and they're they literally have him on and you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody he just does his horrible jokes so they just yeah they just have him on to bust his balls yeah what was what was so interesting about so many of those it's just how horribly unfun some of them are.
The one who always got me, and I'm curious about old time, and here we go again, was always as a kid, was Don Rickles. The best.
Just the funniest. And dry, like weird, no joke, like get out a cookie, put them in the corner.
Oh, yeah. Pack him in ice.
He doesn't know the show started.

There's no real jokes.

It's the rhythm. Ever.

It's just.

Or the camera goes.

And the sense of mayhem that he doesn't know exactly where he's going.

Yeah.

If you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there.

Look at this.

Is that?

Did that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck?

What does that mean?

Yeah.

It sounds like a joke, though.

Johnny, Johnny, the show started. Okay.
You know. funniest fucking guy.
Ed's over there going, oh. Yeah, that's it.
He was very funny. Give him a cookie.
Yeah, the funniest line he used to have, when he did those roasts and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there, like Cary Grant or Jimmy Stewart, he would say, Jimmy, I talked to the family, you're doing fine. That's so funny.
I know, you just can't be told. Jimmy, do you know where you are? Yeah.
Do you ever see that, the Clint Eastwood roast? He said one of the funniest things, and the most honest thing I ever heard, it was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you know,

it wasn't a rose, the tribute.

So he gets up, he says, you know, he still opens with,

I don't know why I'm here.

I thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever.

But they've had a whole evening at this point.

And he says, what a wonderful evening.

He says, Clint, your son played bass.

We sat through that. Such a rip.
So good. Everyone kind of laughs.
They had a cut to the kids. You took it well in the moment, but probably not great.
And like that everyone was drunk was funny. They were like, he goes, oh, I had a few drinks backstage.
He still he's so funny when he that that older rickles on letterman with denzel washington that is that's so funny what does he say and look at the black guy over here well he no that was it was a little post that but he he just kept busting on letterman mumbling he just he wouldn't let up on letterman like letterman with like, you and Frank have been friends a long time and both of your wives are named Barbara, right? And Rickles goes, what are you, a detective? Listen to this guy. Yeah.
I've seen that. It's the best.
That's so awesome. Yeah, those old roasts, the Dean Martin, those are the coolest ones.
Those are good. Yeah, they're great because it was like everybody in Hollywood.
It felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people. And now they just let anyone in.
Have you been roasted on the- Any of these roasts. Comedy Central.
And or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted? I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights of my life on the dais of the chevy chase road like it was like a famous one right because that was one of the early ones yeah i was one of the guys and you know all i can say i could say more but you know after that i was in a room at that that fucking hilton in new york with my buddy sam almost on the verge of tears thinking like like, I can't do this.
I can't do comedy anymore. I can't do it anymore.
It was so fucking, I bombed so hard, so hard. And I'm not good at that.
I'm better at it now. So you roast Chevy, and I think back then I was thinking, wait, this is the first roast I'm seeing where not everyone is great friends with them, so it's a very odd vibe.
I don't think they could have gotten, gotten, they couldn't get hit men. Yeah.
We didn't know that back then. I mean, I just thought I used to see Dean Martin and they go, Hey, there's my buddy over here and there comes red buttons.
Yeah. But to go.
Certainly any SNL people there. And I had pretty good jokes, but I, but, but, but by my nature, if I'm insulting somebody, I really mean it to, it's hostile.
And I don't have the- By my nature. I don't have the distance necessary to make it funny.
But I had good jokes. And thank God they sweetened the fuck out of it.
But in the room, I tanked hard. And so did a lot of people.
How big a crowd? It's not a big crowd, is it? No, it was like 2000. I just remember the pain on Chevy's face watching it.
He didn't want to be there. He didn't want to be there.
And his pain. Because it's, oh, is this what they think of me? It's like me doing an impression to someone.
If they get upset, it's like, oh, is this how I'm coming across? It's the ultimate mental game. I mean, David, you did one, right? I did one.
I wouldn't get roasted.

It's actually good money.

Oh, you never got roasted,

but you were the emcee.

I said I'd host one.

I don't even know why.

Because all you have to do

is be in the vicinity

and you're fucked, you know?

Yeah.

So, I mean, I remember that.

I found that out

because I was watching one

and they go,

speaking of anal warts,

Andy Dick's here tonight.

And then they put in the crowd

and they put a spotlight.

He goes, wait, me? I came to watch. I'm not even on the fucking dais.
I didn't know it was fair game. They're like, no, we know where you're sitting.
We got a camera ready for you. We got 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this fucking room.
I got lucky because I was the host, so I was going to get it.

But who came in at the last minute we had a fallout?

Ann Coulter.

And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, you know, you had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready for.

And at the last second, everyone shifted those to Ann Coulter.

And I was like, oh, thank God. I only got some.
They all sting. I hated them all.
I'm not good at getting roasted. I'm like, ugh, ugh.
It's like a thousand stabs, you know. I kind of like it.
But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer. Where were you? There's our trender.
There's our trender. Thank you.
Thank came up with her book that's it and she was she was Teflon she walked up with her book and just started plugging it she didn't in fairness I don't think she knew what she was getting into she thought it was like some sort of promotion she brought her book up to the dais and everyone's basically saying hey fuck you it was pretty pretty was pretty rough. Yeah.
A diplomatic word for her.

I can't think of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But Jewel was there getting funny jokes.

Anyway, overall, it was a pretty fun roast.

And we can talk about some of this.

I can take a shot.

I don't mind getting hit.

You know, I don't think I'm in the position,

celebrity-wise, to ever get roasted as an evening.

But I don't mind. Here's a couple minutes roasting Mark Aaron.
No, I have a glass jaw. I can't.
I was out there going, and then I wrote it down. I hate you now.
I hate you now. I hate you now.
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California Association of Realtors. Who's your realtor? I don't read comments.
David reads comments. You read comments about your podcast much? Are you good with that? Or you't.
I seem to be pretty disengaged from Twitter. I don't do the other ones that much.
I'll look at Instagrams and occasionally I'll look at messages or posts on Instagram. But I do get emails sometimes.
But I, a, a, a troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts.

So, you know, and you know, when you read them, the, the part of your brain that lives

in this real, the real world we live in goes like, well, that's just part of it.

But the, the, the, the really is sort of like, Jesus Christ, is that fucking true?

And, and then you've got to process that.

I don't have, I can't detach from it, but they land, but not for that long. Yeah.
Someone, you know, I think I look to see if there's enough feedback, positive or negative, sometimes you can try to have constructive criticism. If they say, yeah, you're always doing this, or you always do this, or I wish you would change it.
And then you go, God, enough people said that. Something's up.
But if it's just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly, almost 100% of the time, if I answer them or I DM them- No, no, don't do that. Say, do we got a problem? They always go, oh my God, I'm your biggest fan.
Or they're nicer. That's right.
But some might just come kill me. So it's really a dangerous game to be honest.
Do you listen to your podcast? No. Have you ever? Yeah, because Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode.
So I took that advice because I would get too much in my head. In the part times I hear it, I'm like.
I don't listen to it. I can't watch my own special.
He gives you notes. I can watch my own special.
No, but my producer, since we're still audio and that's our game, he's a very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having memory of the conversation, that's fleeting.
You can only remember certain things from conversation. So if I ever have a question about something I discuss with somebody, my producer has become like, like my active memory, because he spends a few hours with it.
And he remembers everything. And he's like, well, you talked to someone about that.
I have no recollection. And so I really need him just to be my, my functioning memory of these things.
yeah um i'm i was just curious earlier today like when we talked to guests and stuff like for you are as consuming art or like movies or are you into that i mean movies or music or totally is um pat oswald we started talking about movies and he just oh boy that's a that's a, that's a long conversation. Yeah.
Yeah, okay. We don't have to go.
I don't know what you're, you know, but I remember it was The Killers from 1958. Oh, yeah, here we go.
Anyway, 2001 in Space. I'll try to guess your favorite movie.
Okay. That would be tough.
Or your top movie that you see more than once. Bad News Bears.
Yes, of course.

Here's a question.

If you could only watch one movie tonight,

would it be 2001 or Planet of the Apes?

Original.

Those are my only two choices.

What, did you let Patton Oswalt get in your head?

I know, that's leftover.

I didn't talk to the producer.

I already asked that question.

Okay, you give us one.

Two movies, Three Days of the Condor or Alien? Oh, wow. Yeah, well, you kind of have to go with Alien on those two.
I mean, Three Days of the Condor is great, but I would imagine you'd probably get a little more, if you really kind of savored Alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably be still pretty jarring, whereas Three Days of the Cond you're kind of like all right i know it's jarring well that's what is that rob redford and who you know go redone way maybe was it faye dunaway oh yeah condor where are you condor in the pocket i didn't know what that movie's about and i watched it honestly a year ago i i always heard about it oh it's a weird name i'm movie? It's too weird. Fun, cool movie.
I like watching movies. Alien changed movies.
Alien changed movies. Yeah, that was great.
I've been watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the theater to watch movies.
I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana, and I'll go see shit, and I watch the old movies. I just watched The Conversation again because I didn't really get it the first time.
I should watch that again. Gene Hackman, 1975.
Yeah. Look at you with the fucking Google.
No, no, that's all here. Oh, okay.
No, but like, I remember seeing it years ago and I was like, this is slow because I didn't lock in. But like, Gene Hackman doing almost anything is kind of amazing.
It's unbelievable. I talk about him all the time.
Yeah. That he's a freak.
He was, he's always laughing in his movies. He's never a bad move.
Chewing gum. He's so great.
Who's yours, everything. I did watch the Tom Cruise movie.
The Firm? Where he's the, The Firm. The best.
The movie's great. And he's fucking crazy.
Yeah. If you haven't seen the movie, The Firm, it's like a surefire great movie.
Go ahead. Talk about The Firm.
The best. The movie's great and he's fucking crazy.
Yeah, if you haven't seen the movie The Firm, it's like a surefire great movie. Go ahead.
It's like a Sidney Pollack movie. I mean, people don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made.
So that's a full-on, just because it's a Grisham book, doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollack did that movie and the cast was crazy.
Crazy. It doesn't mean it's going to be true well what was the other one i mean coppola directed the rainmaker and that's another one that's another john grissom book yeah but that's like it's matt damon danny devito mickey rourke i thought that was mcconaughey that's not mcconaughey no that's another one that was it was earlier, but the firm is great.
Terry Keeney. Magnific.

Yeah. McConaughey.
That's not McConaughey. No, that's another one.
It was earlier. But the firm is great.
Terry Keeney. It's great.
And Wilford Brimley. Wilford Brimley.
Oh, Wilford Brimley. So good.
He's the heavy man. Hal Holbrook.
It's great. Gary Busey.
Hal Holbrook's old names are so good in movies. Gary Busey.
Good. Gary Busey.
And what's her name? The genius actress. Triple Hunter.
It's not Jean Triple Horn. Oh, Holly Hunter.
Jean Triple Horn, yeah. Triple Horn.
Is she in it? She's the love interest. Yeah.
And Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise. Fucking Ed Harris is in it too.
It's an insane cast. And Hackman.
And then Hackman. Hackman leading the charge.
Him trying to seduce his wife down in the Caribbean. And then he knows she's conning him.
I mean, he's effortless. It's just so fascinating to watch Gene Ackman.
No kidding, dude. But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch, like, lately I've been like, I just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know, and then I'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole fucking movie.
I watched the other guys the other night just because I wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two. Will Ferrell.
Is that a car chase beginning? It's so fun. Yeah, that thing with The Rock.
It's a great comedy. And what's his name? Mark Wahlberg.
No, The Rock and what's the, uh, Sam Jackson, Sam Jackson jumping off the roof. That is hilarious.
And the two of them together, when Wahlberg focuses, man, he's good at comedy. I mean, he can do it, dude.
He's good in a lot. He does a lot of stuff.
Yeah. How's this movie with you and Theo Vaughn? What's that about? Uh, Busboys is uh it's a beating we're doing it right now it's tough it's hard to do because it's small budget indie but it's super fun because is it small budget indie yeah well it's just us we we put it together we put money in and we just said we just want to go try it and yeah and then decide what to do with it that's scary like yeah yeah don't go bitch it don't go around he seems like he's got enough juice i mean if someone will see it but i thought bert had enough juice too to put his little movie over the top but i don't think it got there but i mean you know people will watch it people like theo they like what what comedies are just live streaming now are we don't know we might do do it straight to video.
I mean, straight to consumer.

Straight to video.

Straight to video. The 90s are calling.
We're going out.

It's so old. That reminds me of one time

I was like, this is in the last five years.

I was at the comedy store, right?

And out of the darkness,

Steve Kravitz just emerges.

Steve Kravitz

from San Francisco.

He's still here, dude.

I saw him the other night.

He's okay.

He's okay.

I don't think that was funny.

Yeah, he was funny.

But I just remember he was like, he's 70-something now,

but it was just a few years ago, and he's like,

I don't know how the business works anymore.

Like, hey, where do I send my tape?

And I'm like, maybe to 1985? Maybe he sent the tape tape maybe to the denunzio brothers at the funny bone isn't that somebody yeah they used to watch you i used to send my tape the funny bone my half inch vhs and they're like they must have a pile of tapes i'm like it's been a whole day are they gonna watch it or not they don't give a fuck oh my god i remember there was a booking agency in boston called boston comedy company barry cats used to run it out of the basement apartment in a building in alston and one of the women who would get tape submissions and she she was dating somebody like we knew like we got hold of a couple of the tapes and there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom. And he's doing jokes and he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter of laughter track on a record.
Wow. So you would do a joke and you'd literally hear the needle drop.
Oh, funny. Pull back up.
That's a good idea. That's like an analog lo-fi world.
Kind something charming about that well mark before you let you go i gotta ask you about one movie and then we'll ask dain if he has any wrap-ups but uh you've been very nice to talk i see mark at the comedy store now and then we always have a little chat a couple laps and uh then we get our 48 we get the fuck out of there yeah Yeah. And I, oh, someone said today that to Leslie,

you were very,

very good and they loved you in it.

And they heard I was talking to you.

So,

Oh,

well,

that's nice to hear.

I definitely,

I did the work on that one.

Like,

cause like,

I don't know how,

like I,

I always wanted to act,

but I know I'm okay at it and I got better,

but I still never,

I'm still like,

it's,

it's,

it's not,

it's not necessarily

an exciting job. I mean,

there's a lot of waiting around,

which makes me crazy. For sure.

But like, I was trying with that movie. I didn't want

to do it, and the director kept bothering me

because I was still kind of fucked up. It was during COVID.

You know, Lynn had passed away,

and, you know, they were,

the guy kept bothering me, you know, and it's

the role is like this kind of, you know, slightly beaten up Texan guy. And I'm thinking like, you can, there's like nine, nine or 20 fucking cowboy character actors you can get to do this.
Why me? And, you know, finally he gets through, he gets me on the phone. He's like, well, I really liked the last season of Marin.
I'm like, Oh, so you do like me.

All right. I'll try.
And I told him, like, I don't know about the accent.

He said, don't worry about the accent. And then I realized like, dude,

if you're going to do this, you know, take a risk. You know,

no one's going to see this movie.

It's like it shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert here.

So I worked with a dialect coach and this is funny. You'll probably get it, Dana.
Yeah, you will too, I guess, because it's just a reference that no one fucking gets. But I'm talking to the dialect coach.
And I'm like, how do I do a Texan accent? She's like, well, there really is no Texan accent specifically. But I think we'll do Lubbock.
And I'm like, okay, Lubbock. So he sends me, you know, the phonetics and then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbock accent.
And it's just like a few like behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like, this is the only example of Lubbock is Mac Davis.
Yeah. Yeah.
I love Mac Davis for sure. Yeah.
He's a good, he's a funny actor too. But, but yeah, well, I appreciate someone saying that because I definitely put the work in and I was willing to fail with the accent, but I think I did all right.
And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I interviewed James Caan, I was watching movies of early movies of his and all these guys try accents and very few of them are any good at it so I'm like well fuck it if he's gonna take the hit I can take the hit you know yeah the Australians are great at accents for some reason and a lot of the Brits are but the Americans I don't know you know secondhand compliments are the best like when David hears someone say to him you were great in the movie right it that's the best way to hear it. Cause you know, they're not saying it's legit.
She was like, Oh my God. Oh, by the way, you see Marin special is fantastic.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's nice. No, that's a fictitious.
Well, you know, you do specials, you do a podcast and you're a damn good actor. You've got a series.
I'm just saying, I mean, I don't know any other, You're like a triple and an author. Yeah.
I do what I can. I do what I can at the level I do it at.
And it's, you know, I'm glad I've had all the opportunity. And I keep trying to get better.
What can you do? It's just how much joy can you get out of your incredible life? Oh, yeah. Well, the joy thing, that's a whole other thing.
I mean, that's another, forget about that. Less miserable, less miserable.
Another podcast. And in terms of like talking about SNL, I didn't get it.
Oh, okay. Thank you.
For the people that waited till the end. All right.
Well, that's a perfect end to a podcast. Okay,, man.
See you later, guys. I'll see you, bud.

That was a blast.

Thank you.

Yeah, it was fun.

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