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Speaker 3 Okay, we've got Mark Maron, Maron, Dana, who I see a lot of the comedy store, comedian, obviously a huge podcaster, one of the OG podcasters that had always, you could always hear, he's still going with it, but you know, it was all the big names, all the interesting stuff.

Speaker 3 And I see him do stand-up all the time, and I run into him a lot. He's a good dude.

Speaker 4 And we talked, we were just curious about like, cause he and Rogan and a few others kind of started in like 09, 08, 09 or podcasting.

Speaker 4 It was just like a caveman thing with no audience and who would do that. And then it grew to this bohemoth.
And I, I, he, he got President Barack Obama on his podcast.

Speaker 4 And to do his podcast, he had to drive way up in the middle of nowhere and in the middle of L.A.

Speaker 4 And so that was a big thing. So we do talk about his, his journey.
It wasn't easy all the time. The podcast kind of saved him.
And he created, I think he's done 1,600 episodes.

Speaker 3 He has a lot of of stories and he's very self-winding watch. Like, we didn't have to prompt too much.
He really had a lot of great things to talk about.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I was into it, and that blew that hour blew by.

Speaker 4 So, it went by fast.

Speaker 4 He knows how to podcast. He really told some good stories, funny, and uh,

Speaker 4 it was interesting.

Speaker 1 I would keep listening.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so check him out. Here's Mark Marin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all these glasses. I got other choices.
I got better ones.

Speaker 4 Are you in the same house? You're in the same house. You have not moved.

Speaker 1 Since you're here. It looks familiar.

Speaker 1 This is a different house, but the stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all the stuff from that original garage is in this room.

Speaker 4 Are you in the same neighborhood?

Speaker 4 You don't have to tell us you're actually.

Speaker 1 Just

Speaker 1 send you a link to a map where everybody drop me a picture.

Speaker 4 Well, I already have a map of your house. That'll be for, it's called After Talk.

Speaker 1 anyway whatever no i'm in i'm in glendale i was in highland park i got it yeah i like that place the old place

Speaker 4 yeah i mean it was casual and cool

Speaker 1 guitars and i still got

Speaker 1 a little more spread out before like it was like uh that was less than a thousand square feet one bathroom like if you had to go to the bathroom you had to go into the same bathroom that you know i use

Speaker 4 I live in a very small house. Everything you own owns you back.
I'm not into it. You occupy a house.
you live in your body you can't a house you can't eat it

Speaker 1 i i think you can't a house it really just depends on where where you enter and i saw a thing on k e about it comedians don't laugh they just think what about the guy that married his car you know

Speaker 4 i just wanted i want to start the podcast this way every comedian knows this about you uh where were you david when you heard that mark marin has barack obama on his podcast because that was like like, what the fuck?

Speaker 4 Because this was early days of podcasting. I remember being blown away by that.

Speaker 1 I think most people were still kind of like, what is a podcast exactly? And where do I got to go? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Totally. It was 2012, right?

Speaker 1 So it was 12.

Speaker 1 It was 16.

Speaker 1 The number of people that used to come down that house would drive out to my driveway and literally say, like, where are we? Is this part of LA? I've never been out here. What are we doing?

Speaker 3 Yeah. I can't believe you got him out there because I can't believe you got me out out there.
I can't believe you got Todd Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Rich Voss was right after Obama. That was tough to get him out.
Yeah, it gets hard sometimes.

Speaker 3 Was it a ratings dropped so much you pulled a muscle?

Speaker 1 We just thought it was appropriate

Speaker 1 to continue what we were doing.

Speaker 1 Right. We did one episode where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the podcast and we went right to Rich.
And I, you know, Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull.

Speaker 1 It's, you know, somewhere lower middle. It's okay.

Speaker 3 Well, Rich is no offense to him. I was just laughing.
Like, whoever has to follow Obama is just going to be a tough sledding.

Speaker 1 That's all. That's right.
I don't know if he, I, I don't know if he thought about it like that.

Speaker 1 Rich is a good guy. I don't think he is.

Speaker 4 So everyone had a podcast now. Like, literally, so you, you, it's you and um Rogan, right? 2009.

Speaker 1 So I guess there was, it was really like Carolla was there.

Speaker 1 Rogan, I don't, I don't think started at the same i think rogan started a little after us but uh like jimmy pardo was there benson benson was probably there maybe hardwick was like starting out but i think rogan started a little after me but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts you know todd glass is good at not making money and i think he had one early he's a good friend of mine right with with jimmy door Yeah, so

Speaker 1 that's a one.

Speaker 3 I think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking. And I think got out right before the money, maybe is that, or does he still do it?

Speaker 1 No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general is to try to get out

Speaker 1 of making the money.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's kind of, but what's funny is I used to think

Speaker 3 a podcast because he had it in my friend's car shop upstairs, which he just rented, which was perfect. It was perfect.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the odd thing about the whole undertaking was none none of us really,

Speaker 1 there was really no money to be made. You know, Adam was like doing his radio show.
So he was kind of subsidized somehow.

Speaker 3 Did he get fired and said, okay, I'm just going to do it on here? kind of thing there wasn't a 97.1 or he got fed up mad about something something like that

Speaker 1 he was whatever yeah he was all worked up and you know he was going to take his stories about you know drywalling from 20 years ago elsewhere

Speaker 1 he is a handy man that's funny he's a he's good with a good tool.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. But I was like, I got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought Corollas,

Speaker 3 I think I went on there a little early where I was like before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting, which it was sort of a slow.

Speaker 3 I could get a feel for it before most people because everyone else has just got their head doing their work and they do normal jobs. But I started to go, oh no, is this something? And then

Speaker 3 I said, I'm going to wait till it's a little late. Then we're going to try one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, but the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized, like, hey, you guys have names, you can't lose. Before it was like, who the fuck are you?

Speaker 4 No, we found a way to lose.

Speaker 1 Well, good for you.

Speaker 1 But I don't think anybody really realizes the excitement in, you know, when you, when Corolla was like the only game in town, like, I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla.

Speaker 1 That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, Okay, well, thanks for coming by. It's something to be experienced.
We're working on it.

Speaker 1 There's room for everybody.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 did you have a Eureka moment that you could call back on? Like, holy shit, maybe there's money in this. Because how long did you do it essentially for free before

Speaker 1 you started to arrive?

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 1 I'm watching my cat throw up. Don't you have plastic? Get out of here.

Speaker 3 Did you have a urethra moment? I did when I peed last night.

Speaker 4 I'm checking celebrity net worth. Okay.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so I don't even know if that's right. Well, well, no, I'm kidding.

Speaker 4 I didn't check.

Speaker 1 What happened was

Speaker 1 there was like at the beginning, you either had, if you were going to put up a paywall, you couldn't get a new audience, right?

Speaker 1 So we had done a radio show. Goodbye wall.
Yeah, goodbye wall.

Speaker 1 No one to welcome.

Speaker 3 Let's put up a goodbye wall on ours, Dan.

Speaker 1 You can do it. Well, that was before the,

Speaker 1 what is it called? What's the thing everyone does where they can get a pay page Pantheon or what is it called? Oh,

Speaker 3 Raytheon. We all don't know.

Speaker 1 You know, that

Speaker 1 I know it's your Patreon. Patreon.
Patreon.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days.
It was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve sex toys.

Speaker 3 And we had Crazy

Speaker 1 that kind of thing. But then we had the coffee sponsor.
But there was really no way to make money except for the old school radio way.

Speaker 1 And then ultimately we started working with old-timey radio ad people. And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Ockerman put Mid-Roll together and the Airwolf Network.
And that created a platform to get.

Speaker 1 advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone sort of came up together, but it wasn't until I guess,

Speaker 1 hey, Charlie, get away from the plastic. Charlie, I'm going to throw you out, stupid.
So that's how you talk to a cat, by the way.

Speaker 3 Is that your

Speaker 3 tech?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's my producer. That's your I.T.
guy. I don't know.
You know, it was a slow going, but the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together, sort of like show business.

Speaker 1 Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along. And then big money got involved.
And then some people won and some people did okay. Come on.

Speaker 3 Dude, Charlie's here now. Charlie, give me that.

Speaker 1 Hold on, let me get him out of here. Let me get him out of here.
Charlie

Speaker 3 put him on on Glendale Freeway.

Speaker 1 I know I can't just fucking

Speaker 1 get out. You can eat plastic and throw up.
You can't stay in there.

Speaker 3 We got to get Charlie out of the room.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, it took a long time to really get it together and then to

Speaker 1 to make a living. It took years for my producer to come on with me permanently.

Speaker 1 He was actually had another job at MSNBC while he was kind of moonlighting and he couldn't even admit that he worked with me

Speaker 4 because there's a non-disclosure.

Speaker 1 You couldn't, you know, he couldn't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was, it was part of his contract with MSNBC. And I felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work.

Speaker 1 And I, and I just had to be like, well, I have a mystery guy that helps me with this. I send it into the ether once or twice a week.

Speaker 3 It's good. More attention on you.
That's not horrible.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes not for not great for me

Speaker 4 what what's the headspace like like when you first start doing this yeah i guess when it starts to emerge you're doing you're starting to be successful right and you're going okay i did this interview i get this many this reaction i do this interview holy this is 10 times 10x well i think the the exciting part about it was uh

Speaker 1 was like as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not many people were doing anymore. So the entertainment press sort of realized I was doing most of their job.

Speaker 1 So we got a lot of attention, but I was really focused on having these conversations and trying to,

Speaker 1 you know, make amends where necessary. I think the first hundred episodes are me just having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them.
And that's...

Speaker 1 And it's weird how many times you do that and people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about. And you're like, I'm a fucking idiot.
So that was how that unfolded.

Speaker 1 But the excitement of having Robin on, because that interview seems to be like the only interview like that. Like when he, when he died, it was everywhere because he never talked like that.

Speaker 1 And those kind of rare conversations definitely happened.

Speaker 4 That was interesting because you did,

Speaker 4 it became very, very real with Robin. And he never, you know, he had made amends to me in Mill Valley on the sidewalk just after a show.
Yeah. And I didn't know why.

Speaker 1 For a bit he just stole.

Speaker 4 Sorry. I just said to him, He thinks he had some idea that I took.

Speaker 4 I said, I tried to do you, you don't understand.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I had a trunk of props, I worshiped you, you know. And I don't know if it was from AA or something.
You're like, Oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way.

Speaker 4 You know, it's supposed to be a hug, you're forgiven. But I didn't know he thought I had a thing where I named my dick Mr.
Happy, and that he took that from me. I know that's not true.

Speaker 1 I never did Mr. Happy.

Speaker 4 Look what what the cut, look where this goes on, pop.

Speaker 1 That's hilarious. That was the amends.
It wasn't even like some deep personal affront. It's like, I know you might have called your dick, Mr.
Happy. And

Speaker 1 oh, that's the best amendment.

Speaker 4 To me, 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller's wedding, we were at the same table. Oh, I wonder if perhaps I got Mr.
Happy from you. And I go, No.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 it tortured him. It stuck with him.
Well, the funny thing about that interview is I drove up there to Mel Valley to his house.

Speaker 1 And what I realized, it was the the same with Mel Brooks, is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, they're not going to turn it on like that. Like it was just me and Robin.

Speaker 1 If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie Hall set.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 My dick's name is Mr. Saad in a side note.
And no one's stolen it yet.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's all I wanted.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. I just want to stop naming this.

Speaker 1 My dick's name is, you got this. You got it.

Speaker 1 What's your name?

Speaker 3 Come on, champ.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 4 Yeah, my pronouns are, what's up, motherfucker?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there you go. Call Roseme.

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Speaker 4 So

Speaker 1 you're getting successful.

Speaker 4 I want to do a deep dive on you.

Speaker 1 Yes, but you're playing no offense.

Speaker 3 No, I have a question from Mark Moore.

Speaker 1 Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How do I, how did I get this gig?

Speaker 4 No, this is good because no, you, your story of SNL, just a quick insert, David. When we interviewed Lauren Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for SNL.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just to get ideas of how Lorne is in that environment.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, he really is.

Speaker 4 You are an SNL guy. Your journey with that is fascinating.
If you want to talk about it for me, my obsession with it.

Speaker 1 What's your question, David? I'd like to converse.

Speaker 3 This one won't.

Speaker 3 We can do this first or SNL first, but mine was, why did you start it? Was it only to make amends? Was that to start a podcast?

Speaker 1 No, because, you know, I was kind of down for the count. You know, it turns out that, you know, 50 Conans don't don't necessarily

Speaker 1 an audience.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, I saw 50 Conan's on here and I was going to say, does that bump your road?

Speaker 1 Does it, you know? No, it didn't.

Speaker 1 50 Conans? I don't even know. Like, I could, I never could pull an audience.
And, and, uh, you know, I was, I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place.

Speaker 1 I just gotten fired from this radio gig.

Speaker 1 Well, it wasn't, it was a streaming gig for Air America. And there were a couple of podcasts out there.
And we were like, well, let's, let's figure it out.

Speaker 1 I talked to my producer, who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old. He worked with me forever.
And we just figured it out.

Speaker 1 But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, B-comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner and match game.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. I know.

Speaker 4 I have friends that are in that mid-level market, and there's cruise ships and old folks' homes and clubs, off-label clubs out in the Hinder market.

Speaker 1 Just doing what you got to do.

Speaker 1 But I couldn't do it. There was no way I could have done it.
How am I going to do a cruise ship? I can barely do like what? I don't know.

Speaker 1 But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, everything that I have now came from that. Like,

Speaker 1 you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs, everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future.

Speaker 1 There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is going to, we're going to really make some money on this. It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it yeah

Speaker 1 you were like bitcoin like no one cared no one cared i wasn't yeah i wasn't even a meme at that point yeah

Speaker 1 but it worked out i mean you know thank god it worked out i don't even i can't even explain it because i don't i'm not like a big uh not a big think i don't think about money david yeah oh you don't i like having it enough to eat yeah

Speaker 4 you know like that's that's the that's how my brain works is like well what do you how you you have money now what do you do i can eat wherever i want and ceiling money money is freedom that's what it's for even the great neil young uh about two years ago finally sold part of his catalog and said i can and this is neil young you'd think he'd be so rich but he he said now i can do whatever the fuck i want i don't have to tour if i don't want to that he bought his freedom so money to me especially as an older comedian you want to be able to work the way you want to work so that's interesting about Neil Young is he really he kind of held back on what seems to be about 50 records he never released.

Speaker 1 So somehow or another, he can release records every year or so, you know, from 1970. Oh, yeah.
It's amazing. He can.

Speaker 4 If you're spending three, four million a year, then you have to, you need a lot of money to cough that up, you know. But why was going to ask you about your library?

Speaker 4 Because is it 1600 episodes or something?

Speaker 1 Something like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like about 1600. But Neil came over once.
That was, that was interesting interesting with Neil.

Speaker 4 Oh, you get interviewed. Oh, you had Neil.

Speaker 1 What? What? Tell me about that.

Speaker 4 I didn't hear that one.

Speaker 1 Well, because I, you know, I'm enough of a fan to know enough about him.

Speaker 1 I'm much better if I'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know what to expect. He was out pushing.
Remember when he made that?

Speaker 1 He was partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the iPod.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 He's a sound fanatic. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was something else. No,

Speaker 1 it was like a box. Yeah.
Like a portable box. Oh, what was it called? So they send me this thing and they send me these fancy ear headset.
And it picks up a bigger spectrum of sound. And

Speaker 1 people have to re-record for it. But what was it called? It doesn't matter.
So they send me.

Speaker 1 Look at it.

Speaker 1 They send me the thing.

Speaker 1 And I listen to it. I'm like, all right, whatever.
I just want to, I'll talk to Neil Young.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they send me the thing and they're, and I was told that like when they get there, you're going to have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever.

Speaker 1 So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young.

Speaker 1 And like, I, I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be listening for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something.

Speaker 1 That's something I've learned with. with guys like Springsteen, these guys interview.
So Neil comes over with his like 80-year-old posse.

Speaker 1 he's got two, two guys with him that, you know, must have been in their 70s, Elliot, his manager who passed away, and another guy. And

Speaker 3 the manager is even older than the old guy.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. Except for George Shapiro, who was Carl Reiner's cousin, younger, but still old.
I don't even know if it's called.

Speaker 4 Pono, I think he passed away.

Speaker 1 Pono, yeah. Pono.

Speaker 3 Pono music, digital service music.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So they come over and Neil walks in and you remember the house.
You said it. Like it's just two rooms.
He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out.

Speaker 1 He goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around and I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the Pomo and the headphones.

Speaker 1 And Neil just, you know, just goes, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in.
This guy likes me, right? So

Speaker 1 we go out to the garage.

Speaker 1 And I decided the way to, the way to start with him is just, I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it. So I figured that'll get things started.
Right.

Speaker 1 So I get Neil out there and I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there, right? He's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just, well, he did, though, but I didn't know.
No one told me he likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't until I got him laughing that it opened up, but it took like 15 minutes. And it was like, it was hard.
But then like, all of a sudden he pops open.

Speaker 1 He's talking about doing Pilates with Daryl Anna and and all this stuff is coming out and then apparently he goes home and at his house dan rather is waiting to interview him for dan rather's podcast i don't know access or something whatever the hell it was right cable yeah and my buddy brendan's friend works for rather and apparently neil young walks in and he comes from my house he kind of he says i just did a really great interview and dan rather off camera of course says what made it great he goes uh the guy was fearless and he wasn't afraid to fail And I'm like, hey, that's good.

Speaker 1 That's a good blur. Wow.
But he tested me. He definitely tested me.
Wow. Shit, I would freak out.

Speaker 4 That we had, we had David and I similar thing with Paul McCartney. And I don't know

Speaker 4 if you have,

Speaker 4 or with your personality, but podcast regret. Like, why did I interrupt him then? That was the best part.
Why did it take me so long to get there?

Speaker 4 And I'll be kind of in my head really for a couple of weeks sometimes.

Speaker 1 mccartney bothered me for probably a month i uh i get what i get is like i forgot to cover the most important thing they're known for yeah but um but i interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me but it's like for but for me it's like it's got to be a conversation and i have to be part of it so suck it up or don't listen but mccartney was funny i had to interview him in front of a crowd And that was really one of the best moments I've had talking to somebody

Speaker 1 because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing pushing a record.

Speaker 1 And a lot of them, like Roger Waters, or like, I've interviewed a lot of Thomas Dolby, whatever, they think that the record they're out promoting is their best shit. Right.

Speaker 1 And it's like, all right, I'll play along. So with McCartney.

Speaker 1 So with McCartney, he's out selling. It was at Capitol Records.
It was an event, but the record that he had had out was Egypt Station or something, which no one bought.

Speaker 1 But I said to him, I said, so Paul, you know, a lot of artists who are in your age group, they, they really think that they're doing their, their best work now.

Speaker 1 Do you, do you feel that way? And without missing a beat, he goes, well, I was in the Beatles. So that's a pretty high bar.
It was so funny.

Speaker 4 That's

Speaker 1 I was the guy that told him that Manson had died. He didn't know.

Speaker 1 Huh. I think for me, and there's a lot of us.

Speaker 4 Where are you in the spec? I mean,

Speaker 4 I wanted to ask you musically, but also movies, but with music,

Speaker 4 is there a guy, somebody you haven't had yet? Or who is your true North Star?

Speaker 1 Was it Springsteen?

Speaker 4 Well, Roger Waters, Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon.

Speaker 4 For me, Paul McCartney, a Beatle, was kind of the appearance.

Speaker 1 Beaten was great. And I met Ringo recently, who I'm sure you've met.
He's a pretty sweet guy.

Speaker 4 No, we would love to interview Ringo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I met him at some odd listening party that I got invited to by Teebo and Burnett of Ringo's new country record.

Speaker 1 And that crowd was pretty interesting to see these like 75-year-old hippie girls who are still kind of hippie girls, but they're 75. Yeah, yeah.
But

Speaker 3 who had the country album?

Speaker 1 Ringo? Yeah, we just put it out.

Speaker 1 T-Bone Burnett produced it. And I think he,

Speaker 1 no, Beyonce did. I think she got a little more press.

Speaker 1 But no, for me, the North Star, I've had most of them. Springsteen wasn't.
Springsteen was funny because,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 and I just saw him because I did a little part in that, that movie they're making about him. But

Speaker 1 I went to Jersey, dude. I went to his house in Jersey, like Christmas week, and he just put that book out.
And, you know, it turns out he's a very dark dude, very hard on himself, but all this stuff.

Speaker 1 But, like, you know, he's got this thing he does publicly.

Speaker 1 That's the other trick, getting around people's public personas, because, you know, Bruce is sort of like, hey, me and the guys went down this boardwalk. And so

Speaker 4 saw some Darcy he wrote a song.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 we know about all about that. Yeah, yeah.
It's the underbike. I get there.

Speaker 1 And like I said, he's up in his house. I'm waiting in some sort of like this other structure that's got his guitars, his motorcycle

Speaker 1 in it. And I'm waiting for Bruce.
And he, yeah, he has no idea, really. I don't think who I am because he's walking down.

Speaker 1 He's walking down from the house. His publisher and the publicist said you should do this one.
And he's walking down from the house. I just see him coming down, little Bruce.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he's holding the book. And I'm like, oh, he doesn't know what he's getting into.
So here we go. So he sits down.

Speaker 1 And I'm just trying, I want to break the ice quick because, again, I don't, I'm not, I love Bruce, but I'm not a huge Springsteen fan. So,

Speaker 1 so I said to him, I said,

Speaker 1 so, uh, so what's going on up at the house? Do I have preparation for the holidays, cooking, and presents? And he goes, correct.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, can I talk to that guy for the whole hour? Whoever the guy that just went went correct with that tone, I want that to rest.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 how did you, did you do that?

Speaker 1 Did you? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I kind of reeled him in because like I

Speaker 1 by inserting myself into the conversation, they kind of, they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless they're complete douchebags like Ben Kingsley. So, and I don't mean to name drop, but

Speaker 4 I love, I love sexy beast.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fucking unbelievable. It was the worst interview.
Like I should have told him to leave. It was that bad.
And I don't know why I didn't because he's hung up on

Speaker 1 being called

Speaker 1 sir, Sir Ben. So and I didn't do that at the beginning.
And I wish I'd said, I wish I just said, Sir Ben, we don't have to do this. We don't have to do it.

Speaker 1 But anyway, with Bruce. I kind of pushed in, you know, and to the point where I was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I just remember there was this moment where, you know, we were talking about what you get from an audience and how like it

Speaker 1 it's like not enough sometimes. And he was like, of course it isn't.
So I had him locked into a real conversation, which again, I heard from another person. I got some notes on that too, because

Speaker 1 Paul Wilkenfeld, do you know her? The bass player?

Speaker 1 She's a little prodigy. She plays with everybody.
And she's up and down.

Speaker 4 Oh, played with Jeff Beckett one time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Ta.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And she hangs around the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press tour and she, I guess, was, you know, somewhere with Bruce.

Speaker 1 And she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers.

Speaker 1 And Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk about, you just talk about what you want to talk about. Just bulldozed.

Speaker 1 And then she said,

Speaker 1 well, you know, my friend Mark Marin interviewed you and he said, yeah, he pushed.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good. Well, you know, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that.

Speaker 3 He'd say, you'd ask him a question, like, what happened with those maids? And he goes, this movie is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 He's like, because you can't use anything but what he says. And he doesn't even acknowledge your question.

Speaker 4 I love that Arnold can never go negative. He had one movie, I guess, Last Action Hero.
He's on with Matt Lauer.

Speaker 4 Well, the box office wasn't quite, no, people love the movie, and it's a great hit all over the world.

Speaker 4 He can't ever go negative.

Speaker 1 The best dance he does is around his dad probably being a Nazi.

Speaker 1 That's that's the great dance because he'll he'll always preempt that with like you know i have many jewish friends you know like yeah okay

Speaker 1 he taught us the salute and with for us it was just if you want a candy bar you do the salute and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand we didn't know what it was and things like this and all these things and these people and what they say and all this stuff all this stuff does he ever talk about the maid we love arnold he has a relationship with the kid you know and i think you, after a certain point, you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was, he's owned it.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 he's good with the kid.

Speaker 3 So once everything came out, then he finally goes, all right, let's go bench.

Speaker 3 And the kid is like trying to meet him in the middle, like, I work out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're my dad. Look at my kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It is what the kids run from.
You have to move on.

Speaker 4 It's a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers, I've got three older brothers, and we always say, what would Arnold do? Only for the positivity of it.
It is what it is. And you have to move on.

Speaker 4 And I love everybody. And rather than negative and whiny, but it seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways.
So you go with that. Did you?

Speaker 4 Because Springsteen's whole book is about that. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that.

Speaker 1 He's got a switch in his head. Like he won't even hear it.
Like, you And he's very charming. Like he, you know,

Speaker 1 like he, you know, he gets on, he sits down, he goes, look at your pics. You know, I'm like, you know, like,

Speaker 1 he goes right into it. And you, you kind of feel flattered.
You're like, oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 Somebody's dealt day.

Speaker 4 You know what he said to us? Mark, he goes, how do you guys stay so lean? you know, because you're little.

Speaker 4 And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs live longer than the big dogs.

Speaker 1 I'm literally

Speaker 1 so little. The whole time, he's not even listening to our questions.

Speaker 3 He's just staring at our physique going,

Speaker 1 looking at the ribcage. I need to get small.

Speaker 4 When you get older, you have to be small because the heart and all the things has to work harder than all the things in all the work.

Speaker 1 I think his heart kind of blew up, didn't it? He

Speaker 1 had some work done in there.

Speaker 3 Listen, Dana, if you're like me, you're like me a little bit.

Speaker 4 I think so.

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Speaker 3 I have another question for Mark. This is my second one.
Mark, do you think, you don't remember this, you were in the movie Joker.

Speaker 3 Now, do you think that, did you, do you think, what happened to the second Joker in your humble opinion?

Speaker 1 I don't know what I think Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind

Speaker 1 and decided to take this interesting cinematic risk that, you know,

Speaker 1 failed miserably, apparently. But I didn't see it.
Did you? I heard about it.

Speaker 3 I couldn't get through the poster.

Speaker 4 I didn't see it. I just couldn't get through.

Speaker 4 I couldn't take when I the

Speaker 1 no, and I love Todd Phillips.

Speaker 3 I think that's one of those things, as I backtrack. I think it's one of those things where great movie.
Dana was about to say some comments, but the same thing. Great movie.
And then

Speaker 3 it's just crazy if you can do literally anything you want. And he just goes, let me just try.

Speaker 1 This will work or it won't work.

Speaker 1 The interesting thing is, is he had a, you know, he'd rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first one.

Speaker 1 So weird and cool. And, you know,

Speaker 1 it was. I don't know.
He was nice to me. And that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert De Niro.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, I thought that movie was pretty good, that first Joker. But who the hell knows why? You know, he's a gambler, dude.
You know, he just is like, you know, fuck it. Sure.
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 What's his net worth? I mean, he has freedom, I think. If he got a back end on the hangover, dude, he's got a back end on everything.

Speaker 1 He's like, I think known for foregoing a director's fee. Super backup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for a high percentage of the back end.

Speaker 1 But that scene with De Niro was like, that was a great, that was a great moment for me because,

Speaker 1 you know, I, you know, I know that De Niro's not, he's not going to remember me. You know, I'm just one of those guys that he's met a hundred guys that do two lines with him, right?

Speaker 1 You're forgettable, yeah. Yeah.
And I know it's painful, but we're chatting and whatever, you know,

Speaker 1 but it's one scene where

Speaker 1 we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm supposed to be like, you know, his producer.

Speaker 3 Those are hard, by the way.

Speaker 1 They are kind of at home. It got cut out.
But, but, you know, know, we, you know, Todd's there, Bob's there, and it's like, you guys just want to go? You ready to do it?

Speaker 1 I'm like, Yeah, let's, yeah, let's do one.

Speaker 1 So, so we do this walk and talk, and I'm like,

Speaker 1 he's like,

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 and uh,

Speaker 1 and you know, Phillips goes, cut, and I go back to my chair, and I see Robert go to his chair, and then I see Robert walk over to Todd and then walk back to his chair,

Speaker 1 and then and then Todd walks over to me and he goes, Hey, you're you're coming in a little hot.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 just remember Bob's your boss. I'm like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I got it.
But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob handled it correctly on setting.

Speaker 1 He wasn't told the director, like, hey, you know, I think he's, you know, he's not really.

Speaker 4 You tell him, tell him, tell Mr. Maron.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I had a girl say it to my face.

Speaker 1 She said,

Speaker 3 it was just an old, I did an old movie, and then uh, I had to kiss a girl. I won't say who I had to kiss her, and I said, Hey, before, and I don't know how I've never done this on camera.

Speaker 3 Like, she goes, Just kiss me like I'm your girlfriend, just anything, I don't care.

Speaker 1 And I said, All right, so I

Speaker 3 just kiss her, not

Speaker 3 crazily, I just kiss her, but I touch her cheek and kiss her, and they go cut. And we're all like, Okay.

Speaker 3 And the director comes up and she says, She's not even one foot away from my face. She goes, Can you tell him not to touch my face?

Speaker 3 Wow. And him was me.
She did the correct way she told the director but

Speaker 1 i care

Speaker 3 i just made me think of that because i was like i was horrified i'm like oh because you know kissing someone is so

Speaker 1 too it's so scary and you just don't interesting though right that's interesting because she said kiss me like you're my my girl well you're like she's your girlfriend but apparently the intimacy of the hand touch yeah was not something she anticipated or maybe she just has never had a a boyfriend that she let touch her face.

Speaker 3 Yes. And I, and I wasn't like a super French-a-thon.
I was just trying to like give her a little mega, you know, just to open it, you just kiss a little bit. It's nothing crazy.

Speaker 3 It's a cute little movie. Nobody gets hurt.

Speaker 1 And uh, you never know what's going to happen with those things, you know. So you kissed Bob De Niro.

Speaker 3 I got like hair. I did.

Speaker 1 So that was off camera. That was crazy.
You go, hey, I'm ad-libbing. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm improvising.
Can we improvise?

Speaker 3 But were you scared? I did a quick scene in the old days with William Defoe in my very, very old days in a part that Dana turned down. And

Speaker 3 during SNL. And well, Paul Schrader was the director.
And I was almost sick from nerves because I'm good. And Willem Dafoe, super cool, did one scene, same thing.

Speaker 3 He wouldn't remember in a million years. But of course, you get, do your nerves just ramp up.
Mine were, it's De Niro. It's still no matter what.

Speaker 1 Oh, totally.

Speaker 1 I felt.

Speaker 1 Okay about it because I don't know. Like, I think I'm getting better at acting, but the benefit, I talked to Willem Dafoe, not a great time.
Not a great

Speaker 3 not a great time i don't

Speaker 1 have toughies on here too some are toughies yeah i don't i don't know if i said something to piss him off but it was like come on dude you know it's like just rolling something for sake i gotta look at your face for an hour so

Speaker 1 he's got a lot of character in his face he's he is a great character it's not it's not a negative thing necessarily it's intense but

Speaker 1 it's an intense face to look stare at for an hour yeah but uh but no in in terms of nerves, I think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people.

Speaker 1 Because like, you know, after a certain number of celebrities you talk to, they're like, wow, they're just people. And some of them, you know, aren't even that interesting.
So

Speaker 1 knowing that

Speaker 1 it's true. And it's not a bad thing, but

Speaker 1 I seem to qualify a lot of things. That's not negative.
I'm not, I'm not. No, it's positive.

Speaker 1 The qualifier. Mark Marin is the qualifier.

Speaker 3 What happens when you go, hey, Bob, when you want to, if you ever want to buzz over to Glendale, I want you to pop in.

Speaker 1 I'd like to talk to him, but he's one of those guys I can't get. There are certain directors of hard.
He's got more chatter, though. That's not probably.
He's gotten more chatty.

Speaker 4 Who are we talking about? I missed De Niro.

Speaker 1 Bob De Niro. Oh, but like in terms of nerves,

Speaker 1 I was more nervous when I had to, I just did an indie where I had to play the lead. And that was a real,

Speaker 1 I was nervous about that because, you know, I had to, I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and I was pretty confident.

Speaker 1 And then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone and it was a life-changing, terrifying thing that was kind of amazing. And I was nervous to do a scene with her.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 she's kind of intimidating.

Speaker 3 Big star.

Speaker 1 That's a big

Speaker 1 dude. Big star.
It was crazy. I think I got to save the story for when and if the movie ever comes out because I told it and I don't want to necessarily spoil anything.

Speaker 1 But she did the movie because she likes me and it's one scene and it was great. And Lily Gladstone was in it.
Alan Ruck, Michael McKean played my manager.

Speaker 1 Love him. Yeah, what's his name? Jason.
Is it Jason? No, it's not Jason.

Speaker 4 Josekis?

Speaker 1 No, the kid from,

Speaker 1 oh, now I feel bad.

Speaker 1 Oh, he was so fucking funny.

Speaker 3 Silver Spoons, Bateman.

Speaker 1 No, you know, the one who used to do the Apple commercials was involved with you, Barry Morphy, Justin Long. Justin Long.
Oh, Justin Long.

Speaker 1 Bunny fucker.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I like him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, my God.
So fucking funny. But I was nervous about that.
But I just did the best I could. It's all you can do, right?

Speaker 3 Does anybody call you after your podcast? And who has asked for the most to be taken out? Don't people go take this out, take that out? Or do you say no?

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm not. I'm not in the business of sandbagging people.
It's not our jam.

Speaker 1 That's our business. Well, that's good.
I hope I gave you enough.

Speaker 1 It's a sandbag.

Speaker 3 You give us a little sand.

Speaker 1 Not enough for a bag.

Speaker 1 But almost always, I would say always, it's only because they said something about somebody else that probably couldn't have even been taken in a negative way.

Speaker 1 It's never like them. Yeah, like just like, you know, I didn't have to say that about, you know, we're kind of friends.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 It comes off funny. And then later they go, what if they get mad?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And people do get mad.
And everyone's talking too much.

Speaker 1 That's the problem with everyone having a podcast is like you know actors you know are just coming out with like well 20 years ago it's like oh my god we can't get out from under this thing no one shuts up

Speaker 3 i see ones and now it's like full sex life that people just can't have nowhere else to go so now it's like right here's everything about my life here's about my plastic surgery here's about here follow me and my camera into my plastic surgery into my you know kidney what are we doing yeah or people talking about you know uh you know moments they had with people like 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 Not even that. Just like awkward moments.
And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? Why'd you, I mean, what was the important?

Speaker 3 But some people are like, it almost seems like they're making up horrible things because they're running out of content. I know.
They have a big announcement.

Speaker 3 You're like, this, it takes, it happens to be your 100th episode.

Speaker 4 Well, we know what would trend and get pick up.

Speaker 4 you know i don't i really i don't you never really know what they pick up sometimes you do it surprising but if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop, they have not talked about this like Robin, you kind of, it's going to trend.

Speaker 4 But it, but it's been on five podcasts by the time they get to us.

Speaker 1 Right. Well, no, that's a problem.
But with Robin, there was no, trending hadn't happened yet. So, okay.
And it was quite a lot of hoops to jump through just to get him to do it. And,

Speaker 1 you know, it just worked out because I was a comic and I'm also like I have a dark side and there was no one else there that we got this conversation.

Speaker 1 And thank God we did because it seems to be the only, like he literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end.

Speaker 1 Both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their NDV interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy.
I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him.

Speaker 3 How did he pass away?

Speaker 1 Was it a long time ago?

Speaker 1 Jonathan Winters, he passed away in character, which is weird. So it's not clear whether he really dies.

Speaker 4 He was actually ma frickered and they buried him in the dress, which I thought was inappropriate.

Speaker 3 He's a guy that my dad used to tell me now, this is comedy, and he was funny. And then, when Robin was like, Oh, this guy, but I couldn't appreciate it growing up.
I just thought he was funny.

Speaker 3 I didn't know how good, you know, you can never really tell. I thought they were all those characters.

Speaker 4 Like, I thought John Go Interstate was very specific and very detailed, it was not just ad hoc.

Speaker 1 He was out there, dude. He was like out there.
Like, it was, there was, I had a beautiful moment with him and his house. It was, and I always tell the story.
I don't know if it really lands.

Speaker 1 So that's a good setup.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But give us the unlandables.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, we're at his house. I'm already in.
I'm all in.

Speaker 4 This is John of the Winters and you're talking.

Speaker 1 He wants, you know, he's like, he's got this sort of weird, you know, childlike thing that, you know, he in his house, they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane and he wore a like a Union Army colonel's brimmed hat.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me

Speaker 1 what he said. I want to show you the planes, right?

Speaker 1 So, what that ultimately was, is that he has this four-post bed, four-poster bed in this bedroom, and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes, all right?

Speaker 1 That's that's the destination we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just pictures from a career and show business.
There's Jonathan Winters and every star you could imagine.

Speaker 1 And then he stops and he points to this old-ass ass picture of this boy with a, with a puppy. And he goes, I miss that dog.
And I was like, oh my gosh, you know, like this whole life of entertainment.

Speaker 1 And that's what, you know, the dog. He's a little kid.
Sweet, right?

Speaker 1 That's supposed to be sad, David.

Speaker 4 That's kind of interesting. Danny, I know someone who had dinner with Dan at Danny Kaye's house.
Yeah. And he was very quiet during the dinner.
And they're letting everyone out.

Speaker 4 It's the same kind of thing.

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame wall, Danny Cade pictures.

Speaker 4 Someone asked one question, then it was two hours, photo by photo.

Speaker 1 Here I am with Jack Benny.

Speaker 4 Here I am here. Here I am here.

Speaker 1 Have you watched any of those? Like not the, not the

Speaker 1 Dean Martin roasts, but

Speaker 1 there's footage somewhere. I don't know where I found it on some streaming service of actual Friars Club roasts.
that were done. Yeah, I might have seen one.

Speaker 1 It's always the same guys, and it's not a great day as Henny Youngman's always there. and they literally have him on.

Speaker 1 And you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody. He just does his horrible jokes.
So

Speaker 1 they just have him on to bust his balls.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 what was so interesting about so many of those is just how horribly unfunny some of them are.

Speaker 4 The one who always got me, and I'm curious about old time. Here we go again, was always as a kid was Don Rickles.

Speaker 1 The best.

Speaker 4 Just the funniest

Speaker 1 and and and

Speaker 4 dry, like weird, no joke. Like, get that a cookie, put him in the corner.
Oh, yeah, pack him in ice. He doesn't know the show started.
There's no real jokes, it's the rhythm, it's just

Speaker 1 the camera goes

Speaker 4 and the sense of mayhem that he doesn't know exactly where he's going.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, if you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there. Look at this, this is that suit coming with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck.
What does that mean? Yeah,

Speaker 3 it sounds like a Johnny, though.

Speaker 4 Johnny, the show started. Okay, you know, yeah, funniest fucking guy.

Speaker 1 Ed's over there going, oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's it.
He was very cookie.

Speaker 1 Give him a cookie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The funniest one he used to live when he did those roasts and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there, like Carrie Grant or Jimmy Stewart. He would say, Jimmy, I talked to the family.

Speaker 1 You're doing fine.

Speaker 1 That's so funny.

Speaker 4 I know. You say,

Speaker 3 Jimmy, do you know where you are?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you ever see that? The Clint Eastwood roast? He said one of the funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard.
It was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you know,

Speaker 1 it wasn't a roast.

Speaker 1 It's a tribute. Yeah.
So he gets up. He says, you know, he opens with,

Speaker 1 I don't know why I'm here. I thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 they've had a whole evening at this point. And he says,

Speaker 1 what a wonderful evening.

Speaker 1 He says,

Speaker 1 Quint, your son played bass. We sat through that.

Speaker 1 such a rip

Speaker 3 and everyone kind of laughs like

Speaker 3 they had a cut to the kids who you know took it well in the moment but probably you know not great and like that everyone was drunk was funny they were like he goes oh i had a few drinks backstage yeah

Speaker 1 he's so funny when he that that older rickles on letterman with denzel washington that is

Speaker 1 That's so funny.

Speaker 3 What does he say? Look at the black guy over here.

Speaker 1 Well, no, it was a little post of that, but he just kept busting on Letterman, mumbling.

Speaker 1 He wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like, Letterman opens with like, you and Frank have been friends a long time, and both your wives are named Barbara, right? And Rickos goes, what are you, a detective?

Speaker 1 Listen to this guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've seen that.

Speaker 1 It's the best.

Speaker 3 That's so awesome. Yeah, those old roasts, the Dean Martin, those are the coolest ones.

Speaker 1 Those are good. Yeah, they're great because it was like everybody in Hollywood.
It felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people. And now they just let anyone in.

Speaker 4 Have you been roasted on the any of these roasts? The Comedy Central and or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted?

Speaker 1 I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights of my life on the dais of the Chevy Chase Roast.

Speaker 4 That's a famous one, right?

Speaker 1 Because that was one of the things that I know you were at that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I was one of the guys.

Speaker 1 And, you know, all I can say, I could say more, but after that, I was in a room at that fucking Hilton in New York with my buddy Sam, almost on the verge of tears thinking like, I can't do this.

Speaker 1 I can't do comedy anymore. I can't do it anymore.
It was so fucking, I bombed so hard, so hard. And I'm not good at that.
I'm just. And you roast Chevy.

Speaker 3 And I think back then I was thinking, wait, this is the first roast I'm seeing where not everyone is great friends with them. So it's a very odd vibe.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think they could have gotten

Speaker 1 hired hit men.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we didn't know that back then i mean i just thought i used to see dean martin and they go hey there's my buddy over here and you're going to have buttons yeah but certainly any s and l people there and i had pretty good jokes but i but but but by my nature if i'm insulting somebody i i really mean it to to it's hostile and i don't have the the by my nature

Speaker 1 i don't have the the distance necessary to make it funny but i had good jokes and thank god they sweetened the fuck out of it. But in the room, I tanked hard, and so did a lot of people.

Speaker 1 How about a crowd?

Speaker 3 It's not a big crowd, is it?

Speaker 1 No, it's not.

Speaker 4 I just remember Chevy, the pain on Chevy's face watching it.

Speaker 1 He didn't want to be there.

Speaker 1 He didn't want to be there. It's pain.

Speaker 4 Because it's, it's, oh, is this what they think of me? It's like me doing an impression to someone. If they get upset, it's like, oh, is this how I'm coming across? It's the ultimate mental

Speaker 4 game. I mean, David, you did one, right?

Speaker 3 I did one. I wouldn't get roasted.

Speaker 1 It's actually good.

Speaker 4 You never got roasted, but you were the MC.

Speaker 3 I said I'd host one. I don't even know why.

Speaker 3 Because all you have to do is be in the vicinity and you're fucked, you know? Yeah. So, I mean, I remember that.

Speaker 3 I found that out because I was watching one and they go, speaking of Anal Warts, Andy Dick's here tonight. And then they put in the crowd and they put a spotlight.

Speaker 1 He goes, wait, me?

Speaker 1 I came to watch.

Speaker 3 I'm not even on the fucking dais. Like, I didn't know it's fair game.
They're like, no, we know where you're sitting.

Speaker 1 We got a camera ready for you.

Speaker 1 You got 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this fucking room.

Speaker 3 I got lucky because

Speaker 3 I was the host, so I was going to get it. But who came in at the last minute? We had a fallout.

Speaker 3 Ann Coulter.

Speaker 3 And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, you know,

Speaker 3 you had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready for. And at the last second, everyone shifted those to Ann Coulter.
And I was like, oh, thank God.

Speaker 3 I only got some. They all sting.
I hated them all.

Speaker 3 I'm not good at getting roasted. I'm like, oh, it's like a thousand stabs, you know, death.

Speaker 1 I kind of like it.

Speaker 1 But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer.

Speaker 1 Where's our trender? There's our trender. Thank you.
She

Speaker 1 came up with her book

Speaker 3 and she was, she was Teflon. She walked up with her book and just started plugging it.
She didn't, in fairness, I don't think she knew what she was getting into.

Speaker 3 She thought it was like some sort of promotion. She brought her book up the day as a dog, and everyone's basically saying, Hey, fuck you.
It was pretty, pretty rough. So, uh, I thought

Speaker 1 it was a diplomatic word for her. I can't think of it.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 But Jewel was there getting funny jokes by Jewel. Anyway, overall, it was a pretty fun roast.
Um,

Speaker 3 and we can talk about it.

Speaker 1 I don't, I can take a shot. I don't mind getting hit, you know.
I, I, but I don't think I'm in the position in celebrity-wise, to ever get roasted as an evening, but I don't mind.

Speaker 3 Here's a couple minutes roasting.

Speaker 3 No, I have a glass jaw. I can't.
I was out there going,

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Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 4 i don't read comments you read david reads comments do you read comments about your podcast much are you're good with that or you're kind of i don't like i i seem to be pretty

Speaker 1 pretty disengaged from twitter you know i don't i don't do the other ones that much i'll look at instagrams and occasionally I'll look at

Speaker 1 messages or on posts on Instagram. But I don't, you know, and I do get emails sometimes, but

Speaker 1 I got out of that because they all, you know,

Speaker 1 a troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts. So, you know,

Speaker 1 and, you know, when you read them, the part of your brain that lives in this

Speaker 1 real world we live in goes like, well, that's just part of it. But the

Speaker 1 really you sort of like, Jesus Christ, is that fucking true? And then you got to process that. I don't have, I can't detach from it.
But they land, but not for that long.

Speaker 3 Yeah, someone. You know, I think I look to see if there's enough feedback, positive or negative, sometimes you can try to have constructive criticism.

Speaker 3 If they say, you know, you're always doing this or you always do this or

Speaker 3 I wish you would change it. And then you go, God, enough people said that.
Something's up. You know, I have, but if it's just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly.

Speaker 3 Almost 100% of the time, if I answer them or I DM them,

Speaker 3 don't do that. Say, do we got a problem? They always go, oh my God, I'm your biggest fan.

Speaker 1 Or they're nice. That's right.
That's right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, someone might just come kill me. So it's really a dangerous game, to be honest.

Speaker 4 Do you listen to your podcast?

Speaker 1 No. Have you ever?

Speaker 4 Yeah, because Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode. So I took that advice because I would get too much in my head.

Speaker 1 And the part that I hear it, I don't listen to it. I can't watch it.
My producer.

Speaker 1 He gives you

Speaker 1 I can watch my own special. No, but my producer, like we're, since we're still audio and that's our game, he's a very meticulous, very brilliant guy.

Speaker 1 But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having memory of the conversation, like, you know, that's fleeting. You know, you can only remember certain things from conversation.

Speaker 1 So, so if I ever have a question about something I discuss with somebody, my producer has become like

Speaker 1 my active memory because he spends a few hours with it and he remembers everything. And he's like, well, you talked to so-and-so about that.
I have no recollection.

Speaker 1 And so I really need him just to be, you know, my

Speaker 1 functioning memory of of these things.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I was just curious earlier today, like

Speaker 4 when we talk to guests and stuff, like for you

Speaker 4 as consuming art or like movies, or are you into that?

Speaker 1 I mean, movies or music or totally.

Speaker 4 Patton Oswald, we started talking about movies and he just

Speaker 1 that's a long conversation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay. We don't have to go.
I don't know what you're, you know, but I remember that it was the killers from 1958.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 4 Anyway, 2001 is space. I'm trying to guess your favorite movie.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That would be tough. Or your top movie that you see more than once.

Speaker 1 Yes, of course.

Speaker 4 Here's a question. If you could only watch one movie tonight, would it be 2001 or Planet of the Apes? Original?

Speaker 1 Those are my only two choices. What? Did you let Pat and Oswald get in your head?

Speaker 4 I know. That's left over.
I didn't talk to the producer. I already asked that question.
Okay. you give us two movies, Three Days of the Condor or Alien.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 1 you kind of

Speaker 1 have to go with Alien on those two.

Speaker 1 I mean, Three Days of the Condor is great, but like, I would imagine you probably get a little more,

Speaker 1 if you really kind of

Speaker 1 favored Alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably be. still pretty jarring.
Whereas Three Days of the Condor, you're kind of like, all right, I know. Not as jarring.
Well, that's Robinson.

Speaker 1 Redford and who? You know, go.

Speaker 1 done

Speaker 1 was it fay dunaway done away oh yeah condor where are you condor in the pocket i didn't know what that movie's about and i watched it honestly a year ago i i always heard about it oh it's a weird name i'm like why would i go to this movie it's too weird fun cool movie i like watching alien changed movies alien changed movies that was great i watch i've been watching a lot of movies i'll go to the theater to watch movies Like, I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana and I'll go see shit.

Speaker 1 And I watch the old movies. Like, I just watched the conversation again because I didn't really get it the first time.

Speaker 4 I should watch that again. Gene Hackman, 1975.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, look at you with the fucking Google.

Speaker 1 No, no, that's all here. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, but like, I remember seeing it years ago, and I was like, this is slow because I didn't lock in. But like, Gene Hackman doing almost anything

Speaker 1 is kind of amazing. It's uncompletible.

Speaker 4 I talk about him all the time. You do? That he's a freak.
He was his movie. He's never in this movie.

Speaker 1 He's a big move. chewing gum so great

Speaker 4 everything i did watch the tom cruise movie um

Speaker 1 where he's the the firm the best the movie's great and he's

Speaker 1 crazy yeah if you haven't seen the movie the firm it's like a surefire great movie go ahead it's like it's it's like a sydney pollack movie i mean people don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made So that's a full-on, just because it's a Grisham book doesn't mean it's going to be hacky.

Speaker 1 I mean, Pollack did that movie and the castle is crazy.

Speaker 4 What?

Speaker 1 Crazy cat doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. Yeah,

Speaker 1 true.

Speaker 1 Well, what was the other one? I mean, Copla directed The Rainmaker, and that's another one that's fucking

Speaker 4 John Grissom book.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's like it's Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Mickey Rourke.

Speaker 3 I thought that was McConaughey. That's not McConaughey.

Speaker 1 No, that's another one. That was, it was earlier.
But the firm is

Speaker 1 Terry Keeney.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's great.
And Wilford Brimley, Wilford Brimley is heavy. Wilford Brimley.

Speaker 4 That's so good.

Speaker 1 He's a heavy man. How home work.

Speaker 1 It's great. Great.

Speaker 3 Gary's old names are so good.

Speaker 1 Gary Busey. Good.
Gary Busey's in it. And what's her name? The genius actress.

Speaker 1 Triple Horse. Holly Hunter.
It's not Gene. Oh, Holly Hunter.
And Gene Triplehorn. Yeah.
Triple Horn. Is she in it? I still love you, Chris.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise.

Speaker 1 Fucking Ed Harris is in it, too. It's an insane cast.
And Hackman. Yeah, true.

Speaker 3 And then Ackman. Hackman leading the charge.

Speaker 4 Him trying to seduce his wife down

Speaker 4 in the Caribbean. And then

Speaker 4 he knows she's conning him. I mean,

Speaker 4 he's effortless. It's just so fascinating to watch Gene Hackman.

Speaker 1 No kidding, dude. But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch, like, lately, I've been like, I just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know?

Speaker 1 And then I'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole fucking movie.

Speaker 1 I watched the other guys the other night just because i wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two will ferretto car chase beginning it's it's so fun yeah that thing with the rock

Speaker 1 and uh and what's his name

Speaker 1 mark wahlberg no the rock and what's the uh sam jackson sam sam jackson jumping off the roof that is hilarious and the two of them together when wahlberg focuses man he's yeah he's good at comedy

Speaker 1 i mean he can do it dude he is he's he's good at a lot he does a lot of stuff yeah how's this movie with you and Theo Von? What's that about?

Speaker 3 Bus Boys is

Speaker 3 a beating. We're doing it right now.
It's tough. It's hard to do because it's small budget, indie, but it's super fun because.

Speaker 1 Is it small budget, indie? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, it's just us. We put it together.
We put money in and we just said we just want to go try it and

Speaker 3 then decide what to do with it. That's scary.
Like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Don't go beach it.
Don't go around.

Speaker 1 He seems like he's got enough juice. I mean, someone will see it, but I thought Bert had enough enough juice too to put his little movie over the top.
But I don't think it got there.

Speaker 1 But I mean, you know, people will watch it. People like Theo, they like

Speaker 4 what comedies are just live streaming now?

Speaker 1 Are one we don't know?

Speaker 3 We might do it straight to video. I mean, straight to consumer

Speaker 1 video. Yeah.
There's

Speaker 1 straight to video.

Speaker 4 The 90s are calling. We're going

Speaker 1 so old. That reminds me of like one time I was like, this is in the last five years.
I was at the comedy store, right? And out of the darkness, like Steve Kravitz just emerges.

Speaker 4 He's Steve Kravitz. Yeah, Steve Kravitz.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's still here, dude. I saw him the other night and he's okay.
You know, he's okay. Oh, good.

Speaker 1 He was funny. Yeah, he was funny.
But like, I just remember he was like, it was like, you know, he's 70 something now, but it was just a few years ago.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I don't know how the business works anymore. Like, hey, where do I send my tape? And I'm like, maybe to 1985? Maybe you send the tape.

Speaker 3 Maybe to the Denunzio brothers at the Funnybone.

Speaker 3 Isn't that somebody?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 They used to watch your, I used to send my tape, the funnybone, my half-inch VHS. And they're like, they must have a pile of tapes.
I'm like, it's been a whole day. Are they going to watch it or not?

Speaker 1 They don't give a fuck. Oh, my God.
I remember there was a booking agency in Boston called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Katz used to run it out of the basement apartment in a building in Alston.

Speaker 1 And one of the women who would get tape submissions and she was dating somebody. Like we knew, like we got hold of a couple of the tapes.

Speaker 1 And there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom, and he's doing jokes.

Speaker 1 And he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter, a laughter track on a record. Wow.
So he would do a joke, and you'd literally hear the needle drop. Oh, funny.

Speaker 1 And then pull back up.

Speaker 1 That's a good idea. It's like an analogy.

Speaker 4 An analog lo-fi world. Kind of something charming about that.

Speaker 3 Well, Mark, before you let you go, I got to ask you about one movie, and then we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap-ups. But

Speaker 3 you've been very nice to talk. I see Mark at the comedy store now and then we always have a little chat, a couple of laughs, and then we get our $48.
We get the fuck out of there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And I, oh, someone said today that, too, Leslie, you were very, very good and they loved you in it. And they heard I was talking to you.

Speaker 1 So, oh, well, that's nice to hear. I definitely did the work on that one.
Like, cause like, I don't know how, like, I, I always wanted to act, but I know I'm okay at it.

Speaker 1 And I got better, but I still never, I, i i'm still like it's it's it's not it's not necessarily an exciting job i mean there's a lot of waiting around which makes me crazy for sure but like i was trying with that movie i didn't want to do it and then the director kept bothering me because i was still kind of up it was during covet you know lynn had passed away and you know they were the guy kept bothering me you know and it's i'm it's the role is like this kind of you know, slightly beaten up texan guy.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking like, you get, there's like nine, nine or 20 fucking cowboy character actors you can get to do this. Why me?

Speaker 1 And you know, finally, he gets through. He gets me on the phone.
He's like, well, I really liked the last season of Marin. I'm like, oh, so you do like me.
All right, I'll try.

Speaker 1 And I told him, like, I don't know about the accent. He said, don't worry about the accent.
And then I realized, like, dude, if you're going to do this, you know, take a risk.

Speaker 1 You know, no one's going to see this movie.

Speaker 1 It's like, it shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert here so i worked with a dialect coach and this is funny you'll probably get it dana yeah you will too i guess because it's just a reference that no one gets but i'm talking to the dialect coach and i'm like how do i do a texan accent she's like well there really is no texan accent specifically but i think we'll do lubbock and i'm like okay lubbock so She sends me, you know, the phonetics and then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbock accent.

Speaker 1 and it's just like like a few like behind the scenes grammy interviews with mac davis and i'm like this is the only the only example of love

Speaker 1 whenever i will too yeah yeah yeah no i love mac davis for sure yeah he's a good he's a funny actor too but but yeah well i appreciate someone saying that because i definitely put the work in and i was willing to fail uh with the accent but i think i did all right and the only reason i had confidence to do that was before i interviewed james kahn i was watching movies movies of early movies of his, and all these guys try accents, and very few of them are any good at it.

Speaker 1 So I'm like, well, fuck it. If he's going to take the hit, I can take the hit, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 4 The Australians are great at accents for some reason. And a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know.

Speaker 4 You know, secondhand compliments are the best. Like when David hears someone say to him, you were great in the movie, right?

Speaker 4 That's the best way to hear it because you know they're not. saying it's legit she was like oh my god oh by the way you see my errand special It was fantastic.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's nice to see you.

Speaker 3 No, that's a fictitious situation.

Speaker 4 Well, you do specials. You do a podcast and you're a damn good actor.
You've got a series.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know any other, you're like a triple and an author.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do what I can. I do what I can at the level I do it at.
And it's a...

Speaker 1 You know, it's, I'm glad I've had all the opportunity and I keep trying to get better. What can you do?

Speaker 4 It's just how much joy can you get out of your incredible life? That's really good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, the joy thing. That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 forget about that. Less miserable.
Less miserable.

Speaker 1 Another podcast. And in terms of like talking about SNL, I didn't get it.
Oh, okay. Thank you.

Speaker 4 For the people that waited till the end.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, that's

Speaker 4 a tricked end to a podcast.

Speaker 1 Thanks for the store. See you later, guys.

Speaker 4 That was a blast. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 3 Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.