Rainn Wilson Is Out Of Hot “Office” Takes

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I'm going to ask myself some questions.

Rain,

what's going on?

What's going on these days?

Because here's what I'm about to say.

Are you ready?

Here it goes.

I'm going to say that.

Sit down, fasten your seatbelt.

Here's the deal.

It was front page.

Rain Wilson, the office was racist.

Exclamation point.

Giant clickbait kind of thing.

I baited and I clicked.

You went for it.

Oh, yeah.

I said, war.

Feel the rain on your pod.

Rain Wilson.

I don't.

That's a song.

Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

Rain Wilson.

Rain.

I'm doing the police.

Oh, don't.

Let it rain.

I actually made a pun when our guest Rain Wilson, who was a blast, came into the studio.

I can't remember.

I said,

let it rain.

I don't know.

He's heard it all you know we tried to give him some curveballs but he's heard it all so we had him in studio which is rare we have a couple coming up in studio

yeah we had fun with rain good dude we talked about Dwight's haircut on the office

and a lot of office stuff how that got made and what what the rocket ship that he got on with that yeah we and his career where he came from you know it's really an interesting story it always is always is different we didn't focus on the office.

That was actually, we sort of came swung back to that, but he's got a lot of different things to talk about.

We won't spoil it.

We had a great time.

Code three, a code three movie in theaters, and that'll be, you know, you know, it's in movies now, I believe.

It's in movies now.

It's in it's a movie now.

And it'll be in theaters when it's a movie.

So, uh, code three, Rain Wilson, and here he is.

This is no pressure.

You can eat, you can do whatever you want.

We're not going to eat on a podcast.

We We have no

plan and no ideas.

Yeah.

No plan, huh?

Oh, whoa.

Is that what they said?

No plan.

NBC, Dwight, spin-off, axed.

Let's start with that one.

Didn't you say axed?

Well, yeah, because...

It was axed.

Oh, okay.

Was there one?

Well, they...

There was a planned one.

It was a backdoor pilot.

We'll get into it.

It's delicious.

Oh, good.

Can we bury anybody?

I'm a young Seahawks fan.

You got any Warren Littlefield stuff?

Do you know Warren Littlefield?

No.

I don't know if he's.

I don't think I ever met him.

Was he before?

He was gone.

Yeah, he was gone at that time.

He wooed me to do the Letterman thing and gave me

a poster or a Capitol Records Meet the Beatles.

He got it from Signed.

Signed.

You weren't ready for that this fast.

Wow.

Rain is stunned now.

I met with Brandon Tartar Sauce, who was before him.

Do you remember Brandon Tartarcoff?

It could have been Tartar Sauce.

I think it was Tarkoff, but it could have been Tartar Sauce.

We had Jeff Zucker

was our

and he left, and then there was the other guy, and I can't remember his name, but he had red hair, and he helped produce Six Feet Under, so I should know his name.

Did anybody kind of get out in front of the office once it became a Smash and kind of like, well, you know,

it was my idea.

There was a guy, Kevin Riley, who's still out there.

Kevin Randy.

And he was the champion, and he, I mean, he single-handedly kept our show on the air when no one believed in it.

I don't know why, but he just, he's the one who like squirreled away some money for, oh, we'll do five or six episodes here, and we'll do two or three, and I got you money for one more script.

And like,

he was like doing the wheeling and damn.

Did he get back end?

No, because they're studio executives.

I know, I was hoping because he's the one that sounds like the hero is this.

Yeah,

do you even know how this works?

No, did Kevin Riley work at Brillstein forever?

Is that true?

Yeah.

Yeah, he's an executive manager.

He's worked on managers for a while and then he was an executive.

These managers become executives.

Right.

It's very

like Brad Gray.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a story.

That is exactly what it is.

Oh, you have stories there.

You lit up like a little Christmas tree.

Too many stories.

Go ahead.

Too many stories.

No, he was my manager.

Oh, he was.

Okay.

Yeah.

It was just the

in a general sense,

once the person

who's representing you also becomes a producer on the show, then there's just an intrinsic conflict of interest.

It's like

the fox saying, I could go to the hen house.

I mean, come on, man.

You're not going to eat them, are you?

But that's part of it.

But the idea is that they're going to also represent your best interests and produce.

Right.

There's just like, I'll give,

do I give it this money to the client or I give it to myself?

You It's a little tricky.

Let's put it that way.

We can go deep into it.

Muddy, murky.

What was that smoothie that you were eating there?

Because that looks like

the lawnmower through a lot of people.

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We're not vegetables.

No, it's good.

It's not vegetable.

Do you read ads on your podcast?

I do read ads on your podcast.

What's your biggest sponsor?

Our biggest sponsor for Soul Boom is this wonderful nonprofit called Fetzer.

We've heard that.

Yeah, and they've been amazing because

the conversations that we're having about spirituality and mental health and kind of making the world a better place and blah, blah, blah.

Like that's there, it's like their whole thing.

And they're like, they found Soul Boom and they're like, oh, my God, this is, we love, we want to support this.

And

what's their product?

There's no product.

They're just this non-profit family foundation.

Where did they get the money to pay you?

From a dead rich guy who set up a foundation.

I'm sure he's dead.

He used to own the Detroit Tigers.

I think his name is Fetzer, like Wally Fetzer, or I don't know.

Sounds familiar.

We have a lot of for-profits that are investing

that put ads on, right?

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Okay.

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Right.

There's one called Wake Me the Fuck Up.

Yeah.

Our production cover.

This is Flyby the Seat of Our Pants.

Yeah.com.

You guys should get sponsored by Supercuts because you both need haircuts.

No.

I agree.

Can I tell you my problem?

Yeah.

Please.

Yes, please.

I don't don't have great hair.

I'm not going to say I don't.

You have a full luxury.

There's a lot of hair.

There's a lot of backstory to this whole thing.

This is two-day hair.

Don't tell anyone.

But I've moved to

Central California.

The woman who cuts my hair is very good.

Chris Rios lives down here.

So I go periods of time where I don't get a haircut.

But I agree with your premise that we both need haircuts, David.

Celebrities, they're just like us.

They have hair problems.

You should have a hair product called

Who'll Stop the Rain.

And it should be just some sort of hair product.

I don't know if you should.

Is this a comedy podcast?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I have a question for you.

Who's at the camera when you say that?

He's going straight to the lens.

That's the old office move.

He did it and it works.

He did office on us.

That's a funny thing.

I'm going to ask myself some questions.

Rain,

what's going on these days?

Well, I'm promoting this new movie, Code 3,

that

no one is going to see, but eventually they'll watch it on streaming.

And

what was it like to be having office?

We're getting in there.

This is just.

Why don't we hit a little code 3?

Yeah, let's hit some code 3.

Let's hit some code 3.

No, but I like to do it up front.

Is this your handwriting?

I like it.

I think in bubbles, are you more listening?

just little?

I can picture that page in my head.

You know, that's why I.

There's a lot of good questions on here.

I know.

Maybe we should.

We'll get to one of them.

Maybe you should ask one.

Where's my camera?

I would love to hear more about Chris Rios.

Your hair droops from.

And you remember that.

That's great.

And when you get down from Central California down to see Chris Rios for your haircut, do you usually fly or drive?

How does that work?

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to do it.

Chris located in Beverly Hills.

I'm not so vertical.

I drive.

And I drive by where you live, which will stay undiscovered.

It's Ventura County.

I say that.

It's a vast county.

Yeah.

But I drive by and I do honk and I yell, who'll stop the rain?

And I've never heard a response.

When you were on the office,

I have some hard-hitting questions.

Have you met Steve Corridor?

What's his net worth at this point?

Yeah, where's the ballpark?

It's vast.

And he would hate that question.

He really would.

Because he's he's very Midwestern.

Yes.

Very sweet.

But can we talk about Code 3 for just a minute?

I want to get it in and then get in.

We'll get in and out of Code 3.

But let's do a quick Code 3.

Yeah.

Code 3.

Yes.

Code 3 is the greatest movie ever made.

It actually is a quite good movie.

And we've got 97% on Rotten Tomatoes right now from the audiences.

I have that total from all of you.

97%.

We've got 0.3%

for this podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But

it's about 24 Hours from Hell and the Life of These Burnt Out Paramedics.

It's very funny.

Little Rearl Howry co-stars.

It's kind of looking at the

underbelly of the American healthcare system, but it's also a lot of fun and kind of a popcorn fun movie.

And

yeah, I'm really, I'm really happy with it.

So it's all one day.

I kind of like that.

Essentially,

it's kind of like the pit.

Like it's all just really condensed one last it's my last shift and it's this newcomer played by uh amy carrero it's her first shift and they kind of dovetail and uh you're you're driving around driving around la in the middle of the night and uh answering some crazy calls and trying to figure out the meaning of life along the way can i tell you a true true quick 30-second story about a paramedic and i wonder if this kind of yeah sensibility is in your movie so he's a paramedic and he said him and his partner, they would go to these scenes where someone's lost a leg.

You know, it's horrific.

And then when they would leave for themselves, they would put on Queen's song, Another One Bites the Dust, just to

alleviate the stress.

Whatever reason.

Another one bites the dust.

Is there stuff like that?

How do paramedics deal with that in your movie?

The heaviness of it and the stress of it and the intensity.

Well, that's what I really learned doing this movie was like this population, and we got to hang out with them, train with them.

We did a ride along in South Central with the fire department.

Like, they're so colossally burned out.

So much is asked of them.

They're so underpaid.

You can't even believe it.

Like, literally, what they make.

They're literally making somewhere like in the $20, $25 an hour, ultimately.

And it's like kind of Starbucks rate, essentially.

They go into dangerous situations situations too.

Absolutely.

All the time.

They get shot at.

They get vomited on.

They get needle sticks.

They get blood.

I mean, and

they're going to some really dangerous neighborhoods and

patients get mad at them.

Doctors get mad at them.

Cops get mad at them.

They're underpaid.

I mean, these are real American heroes, but going to another one bites the dust.

They have a gallows humor, man.

That's gallows.

They have a dark, dark humor,

which you've got to have to survive well it must be so heavy intense and traumatic just to be on that end and you're watching it every day and people in pain also a lot of people fight back and yeah they're getting punched by drunk people and it's like i see them on cop shows like oh these guys have got the roughest job they really do but it sounds fun i mean it just sounds like a fun thing to do 24 hours or whatever a tight amount of time

your last day her first day and little release very funny and uh that's just something I haven't seen a lot.

So that's a good area.

Yeah, yeah.

Audiences are really, are really digging it.

Yeah.

So

try not to smile.

Yeah.

He likes it.

What else, Dana?

I read some things.

You're great in the movie is what I read.

I haven't seen the movie, but.

Okay.

So that's kind of cool.

Yeah.

Thanks.

And what do you know how to do this?

I do good acting.

Yeah.

that's

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Do you, you were in this, one of my old favorites, Galaxy Quest?

Was that your first thing you had?

That was my very first movie.

Galaxy Quest was really funny.

I don't know if everyone understands how funny that was.

You saw it?

I saw it.

You got to be in that and did you, you read it and said, this thing's funny.

You can tell right away.

This is crazy because I did nothing but theater in New York for like 10 years and I came out to LA in 1999 and for some reason, I got cast in two movies in the same summer, Galaxy Quest and Almost Famous.

Those were my first two movies.

two of like the greatest movies

ever made.

I had small roles in them, but I was like, oh my God, I'm set.

I'm going to be a movie star.

And I promptly like didn't work for a year and a half.

What did you do when you weren't working for an hour and a half?

Did you just had enough money to save, scramble, get on a cat?

How poor were you?

I was so, you know what I did?

I'm so glad you asked that question because my friend was teaching acting classes in Hollywood at like the world's worst acting studio.

And it was all acting students from like all over the world because people don't know this in Hollywood.

Like people come from Sweden and Korea and Mongolia and, you know, Pakistan to go be actors like on American TV shows.

They have very thick accents.

God bless them.

And, but they take acting classes.

And so I taught acting at Holly, literally Hollywood and Vine in a studio.

And

they would hand out, I didn't get to choose the scenes.

They would do scenes from American TV shows to foreign students.

So I remember directing this scene.

I'm not even making this up.

I'm not even making this up.

I directed a scene from Cagney and Lacey starring a woman, a Japanese woman,

and a Swedish woman.

Please act to that.

Playing Cagney and Lacey.

I'm not going to do the Japanese women.

I'm not going to do that.

But you could do this.

We can imagine that.

But yeah, she was like.

Why is the Swedish not offensive?

Yeah.

Northern northern europeans i don't know that's that's how it works yeah do the japanese one i'm norwegian i get to make fun of scandinavians but she was like

she was like oh oh cagney you you embarrassed me in front of the whole you know in front of the whole department and uh and uh you know lucas is so mad at me i don't know what to do and then the other person responds and then and

trying to keep a straight face to give them like

but they're trying

they're trying so hard and and they're trying so hard and they want to be discovered and they've come to Hollywood to follow their dream of being an actor and this second-rate studio this that's so funny yeah that was what I was doing to pay the bills after I had done galaxy Nacy you have crossed so many lines today I'm worried about you

I don't know is that a Norwegian or Swedish that was good that was like Swedish chefs

it's a little bit of Arnold is sneaking in there yeah every time I do a European Arnold slips Arnold okay Arnold just covers all of it

slips into a lot of things.

Yeah.

Let's look at a clip.

Let me tell you.

Where's that man?

Let me tell you.

Let me tell you.

He always asks,

he's like Trump in that way.

Let me tell you something.

I'm going to tell you something.

But first, let me ask you to let me tell you something.

Because I want you to let me tell you something.

I'm going to ask you something that I'll tell you.

Yeah,

then I tell you, and then I ask you again if I can tell you something.

You guys, this is a front row seat to watch Dana Carvey do impressions.

I'm three and a half feet away from him.

This is a joy.

I'm so tingly with happiness right now.

Oh my God.

That's so flattering.

And you're right to the camera.

I love that you're really

and it's great.

Can you push in a little bit?

Is this the training for the older 8K?

So you can push in and post, right?

8K.

Yeah, we'll take care of you.

8K?

8K.

Oh, you know, right up in here.

Oh, no, but they download it in 1080p.

Why do you think this mic is covering my neck?

I'm not a fool.

All my age is here.

Because I'm Irish, Norwegian, and Scottish, grew up in California, do the math.

Let me tell you something.

I'm going to tell you what.

If you listen to me now, and listen to me, you go.

Give me now, I'm bleeding lazy.

Let me tell you something.

Well, I'll go.

Because here's what I'm about to say.

Are you ready?

Here it goes.

I'm going to say,

sit down, pass in your seatbelt.

Here's the deal.

Here's a good trick when Arnold, I don't do really Arnold, but when they would ask him about anything personal, he would answer his own answers because he's on camera, so they can't use it.

They go, well, now what happened with that that mate he goes this movie is action-packed and then they go what and they go he's only giving quotes they can use about the movie so he just never answers no the truth of Arnold in which my brother and I have three brothers one we have this catchphrase of with each other like what would Arnold do because he can't go negative he literally can't go negative a bit like Trump not to get in that they can't you know it's always promoting always so he had a movie the last action hero that didn't do too well and he's on you know NBC today or something Matt Lauer or whatever.

So you'd had trouble.

No, the truth is the people are loving the movie and all over the world.

The people enjoy it.

Yeah, but the box off of it.

Yeah, but everybody loves it and it's doing very well and all these things and this and that.

So anyway, that's my Arnold section.

No, it's a good way to promote because

it's funny.

I kind of, I still haven't learned my lesson.

I did a podcast in New York just a week or two ago, and they, and the guy was very, just smart, wonderful,

nuanced conversation.

He's like, could you make the office in today's, you know, kind of more a PC landscape?

And I, and I talked about it in a very kind of nuanced fashion.

Like, well, that's a tough one.

You know, we had some episodes where, you know, we've got lead characters that are clueless, right?

They can be racist.

They can be sexist.

And, you know, there's, you know, the episode where we, you know, marked on the,

they marked on the

Asian women to like tell them apart.

There's stuff like that that's really really like pushing the envelope, but that's where there's a great source of comedy, blah, blah, blah.

It was front page, like Rain Wilson, the office was racist.

Exclamation point,

giant clickbait kind of thing.

Baited and I clicked.

You went for it.

Oh, yeah.

He said, what?

Then he texted me about it.

I said, this fucking guy, we can't have what is that about?

Cancel.

Cancel it.

I go, cancel somebody involved.

I don't know who, but let's start canceling.

Cancel him.

But whenever I talk about anything like that, because we're sort of a neutral podcast, we're just trying to be friendly and make money.

Yeah.

So, you know, the nuance.

Canceling is not a big money-making gig.

Let's not let the viewers know.

Yeah, no, it's

not a view.

They're like, where does he get those shoes, those sweats?

It does well.

But my point is,

the nuance of stuff, you strangle yourself into nuance and you feel like you almost said nothing.

And then somebody somewhere pulls it out.

It happens

all the time.

There was another one I did a couple of years back where I talked about, like, you know, I went through some really unhappy times on the set of the office because of like, you know, I wanted to do more movies and I was just

thought that I should have more opportunities.

And I was,

you know, complaining a lot.

And I wish I hadn't have been in that space.

And it was like, Rain Wilson miserable on the set of the office.

And it's like, who's this?

I could have written a better one.

He hates them but the but the the the producers like the trump and the seahawks hat they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna do the same thing for your clips and it's

listen everyone i was not miserable on the side of the office i had some struggles with early fame and

mental health and guess what the office could kind of push a lot of buttons around race and sexism and and issues in a way that would be trickier today could still be done.

And that I don't think the office is racist, and I was happy as a clam on the side of the office.

Thank you, and good night.

That was a great podcast.

Here's the

here's that headline: he still hates the office.

He still

tried to dodge a question

on Fly on the Wall, but he was called out by the way.

I tell you, when I worked on just shooting, oh my God, a couple of people remember?

Thank you.

When I worked on a sitcom and ER was going on around the same time

someone quit er

and was making so much money and no one no one could believe it it was one one of cherry string fellow yes and everyone's like how could you and she's like i'm in a studio 24 hours a day because it's like a never-ending movie those shows so she gets like a month and a half off in summer and then they go right back in and it's memorizing lines all day the er's got to be the hardest memorize memorize and you have to memorize all that medical jargon yeah and you got to go hey you put the squeeze ringers lactate over so that um

10 cc's of ringers lactate, that was an emergency show.

So anyway, she quit, and I kind of go,

she may regret it later down the line, but I get she needs a fucking breather.

There's no mental days back then, there's no taking a break.

It's just like grind, grind, grind.

And the money means nothing.

She's not even spending it.

She never sees it.

It's just work, work.

So maybe there's times on shows when you do get, like, when there's so many mouths to feed on the office, sometimes you have light shows.

I remember Lovett's, well, all of us, let's say, when SNL, you'd have

one sketch that week, sometimes none.

It's just a weird vibe in your head of like, am I going to get fired?

Am I doing enough?

Can I keep up with these people?

Shouldn't, I thought I was funny in this.

Could they put me?

And that's just constantly.

It might be like that on your set too.

Sure.

Every set, probably.

Yeah.

But did anyone ever distort that with you?

Like, David Spade's ungrateful.

No.

They will.

They will now.

You've said that.

Yeah.

David Spade miserable on the set of SNL.

But you, I think everyone is.

But you came before, you didn't get to see Dana because you were 2007.

Wait, what did you host?

2007 or 8, something like that.

We hosted

like three times.

Sorry.

You and I together could be in the five-timer club.

I did host in 2010.

That was the last time or 11.

But you didn't get Christine Wigg and I did not.

Billy Hayter.

Billy Hayter was Will Hayter.

I got to see Dan in action, though, because

I got on when he was on already, then I got on.

But you're right about those impressions.

Every time Dana goes out, there was a score.

Characters.

People say

church late.

Issue number one.

Issue number one.

Rainy, rainy, rain time.

Unhappy with the office, are we?

Two races to continue.

What do you think?

More teeny, tiny tunes on teeny.

That thing was exhausting.

Wasn't it trucky.

But I had one, so I had a botched bypass in 1980, 97.

But I never had a heart attack.

Everyone gets quiet.

How is your heart attack?

Look at me now.

You know, it's a big difference.

Are you okay?

That's what I say every 10 seconds.

Hold on.

Yes.

So as far as show us the scars.

So then I'm doing a movie.

You got scars?

It's very faint.

I like it.

I like to, I'm sexy with it.

It never bothered me.

So anyway, my heart's really good.

My resting pulse is 40, whatever.

So, but I was doing a goofy movie, and the tabloids, they go, the tabloids are here, and they think you're too exhausted.

You can't do the movie.

It's like three years later.

So I said, well, let me call him.

Let's call him.

So I said, okay.

So I call a National Choir guy.

And I go, I never had any heart problems.

It was just

a stent that needed to be,

you know, and I'm totally fine.

And I just had one bypass.

So next day, National Choir, Dana Carvey has five open heart surgeries.

And hates the office.

She hates the office.

Well, at the end, I didn't want to say that.

I don't know why.

Says Rain Wilson.

And I don't know why in those days that was such a.

That's amazing that it would just be a bold-faced lie, just a lie.

And then you're like, do you go to court?

You know, that kind of thing.

No, there was one time when I went to like, you know, how the, did you guys ever do press in Canada?

And they have the Much TV, it's their version of MTV or something.

And I did some festival and introduced some bands and did some interviews and stuff.

And then

what was it?

Not in sync, Boys in the Hood or Boys in the Hood

or something.

One of those boy bands.

Backstreet Boy.

Backstreet Boy was there, I think.

And then there was a gossip site that said, like, Rain Wilson had altercation with Backstreet Boys or something like I never even like met them and my boss is called this site and I was like and there's he's like I just needed a I needed a headline something that's

so true they needed I need

a waste of money yeah I anytime anytime one time my mom got called and she goes oh they were wondering who you were dating and I go mom it was the national choir she goes no it was American media it was a reporter and I go that's who owns the national but they say that's a good, slippery way to get it.

By calling my mom in Arizona for anything about anything that would happen in your life.

And then I go, mom, just realize I just don't do it.

But they get your phone number.

It's also creepy.

Also bad.

Here's one.

Maybe we can get a trend on.

Yeah, back to you, Dana.

Is there any question that hasn't been asked of you yet around the office?

Because I wouldn't even know where to start.

I assume you've done so many interviews.

Is there something we don't know?

I need a banger.

We need a fucking banger.

The future of this podcast is resting on the business.

You said it was me guys.

We make a lot of money, I'm telling you, but

you could always make more.

Go ahead.

No.

I really can't believe that.

That's a great question, and I don't have an answer.

This is the question I had, but I know you've been asked this a million times.

The Dwight Hare.

Yeah.

The origin of that.

I stole it from Mackenzie Crook, who played Gareth on the British Office.

Oh.

Because I read an article that he went to like a, like the shithole barber shop in like, in, in Slough, where it was set, and

like got like the least flattering haircut for his.

It was

probably the best hair on comic television.

And I just lifted that from him.

I'm like, let's design the worst possible haircut for me.

I was not thinking about wearing that haircut for nine seasons of 200 episodes.

And

because I have an enormous forehead.

I do too.

And so it's just revealing it like it's these little curtains.

You know, it's like a little

Broadway set like you could do.

Oklahoma, perform it here with finger puppets.

And

that's a good reason.

Yeah.

Was there ever an episode where the girls were scheming to get you a new haircut?

That would have been a good pitch.

That would have been up.

Did you ever

refer to Danny's just to work with us?

Was the haircut?

Wait, what?

Referred to?

Do you remember that?

A lot of Dana?

Oh, Greg Dannis.

When he was on SNL?

Yeah.

Oh, nice.

He was a writer with Conan and I remember him and Coney coming right out of Harvard.

They looked like they were 12.

Do you remember any sketches that they might have written that you were in?

Greg Danny's?

I did a lot.

Did

George Will?

George Will?

George Will sketch.

George Will, the conservative commentator?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's back when SNL was smart.

Because now it's like fart police.

You know what I mean?

Is that a movie now?

Did they do a spin-off?

I asked my friends there.

They're already on fart police.

Why don't you guys do

Tucker Carlson, Senator John Kennedy?

They don't even do Bobby Kennedy.

That's the Trump people.

But there's a lot of people to do,

but they're just like, we're not really into that anymore.

I don't know.

I mean,

we do John Kennedy because we just think he's Senator John Kennedy.

Who was the writer that would always have the political stuff at the top of the show?

Downey or Franken?

Franken?

Those were the two twin people that I worked with with George Warsrun on political stuff.

It was Downey

and Al

Franken.

And

they would lead with it, even if they knew it wasn't going to be the most popular stage.

They would just come at

Downey hated the idea of playing to the Yahoos.

Woo!

Not laughing, but yee.

And Franken was,

you know, really into politics.

So that all informed itself into it.

And I wanted to just go, nah, got that.

So the three of us together, it worked.

Yeah.

They make the cake together.

Yeah.

But SNL, you know, I don't want to be a grumpy old cash member.

It's not the way it used to be.

So there's a lot of great people that are funny and they do great sketches.

I mean, so, but is it the same?

No, it has to evolve.

It has to evolve.

Some come out as stars, some are not enough, and eventually leave.

And it's just such a well, what's your hot take on it?

Yeah, go

on SNL?

Yeah.

I need a hot take.

I don't have a hot take on the officer SNL.

I don't have any hot take.

I'm out of hot takes.

I'm not a hot hot takes.

I really am.

Rain Wilson is out of hot takes.

I went on a podcast the other day that just came out.

My hottest hot take was that the DMV is actually really good at their job.

And it's an actually really successful institution that monitors like 200 million driver's licenses, license tests, boats.

And like, oh, boohoo, I had to wait 52 minutes in line.

Guess what, bitch?

200 million people, they're cycling through there, and everything has kept track of addresses, driver's licenses, numbers,

you know, boat things, bad photo.

Like, it works like clockwork.

It is, it should be, that's going to be my next movie.

Code DMV.

Oh, that would be good.

I got my tooth.

Up.

We had a small injury.

All right, I got you.

Having respect for these government institutions.

You can't use it.

That's too hot of a take.

We can't use it.

It's too much.

I'm loving the DMV.

What do you think?

Do you have a good license?

You don't have thoughts?

You don't have thoughts?

Thoughts on the DMV?

You want to disagree with that?

I do Do you want to disagree?

You want to push back?

No, I don't want to fight.

Let's get into it.

No.

Firing line right now.

Meet the press.

Let's go.

I'm going to get it canceled.

My takes on the DMV.

You've got to bring a lot of stuff.

Have you renewed a license recently at the DMV?

Yeah.

Did you just go once and it got renewed or did you have to go back a second time because you didn't have secondary half of your address?

I had to retake my motorcycle written test or something like that, and it went great.

I barely passed, but I did pass, and it was

an hour and 20 minutes of my day.

I want to get the temperature on what you're saying here.

Would you ever go to a California Department of Motor Vehicles just to kind of hang out?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I have a question.

Another follow-up.

There's a million questions.

What's the difference between a real ID and your license go?

It has a picture of a bear on it.

And you can get on an airplane.

That's what we need.

You can get on an airplane with it.

I know, but is it good or bad?

Is it better than a license?

Is it different?

Is there some reason it's just they want you to go in again?

I think you have to show some stuff that proves that you're really an American citizen.

Yes.

Is that why she looks at my camera?

It has a 3D dick pic.

The guy who helped me at the DMV, that was his name, Dick Pic.

I don't understand.

Spelled it C-K.

Kim Kardashian went and got to take her picture 22 times.

She took her driver's license photo.

How do you know that?

Because it was on the episode.

They went there there with a guy.

Oh, it was a and then they said, and she didn't like her picture, and she brought a ring light.

Am I right, Heather?

It's your guy, too.

Oh, yeah.

So

we have a guy.

It's the guy that got me in the back.

We have a concierge guy who got me back.

You have a concierge DMV guy?

Yeah.

You little bitches.

Look at you.

Well, I was like,

I'm in the damn DMV and standing the cheese that's.

Oh, no, I have to take some photos.

No, but I have to.

It takes a full minute.

Cut to us after the podcast.

Rain's like, how would I

have

this going so far?

Well, they're carrying the ring light.

One of my favorites.

I like barely controlled mayhem.

Because

this is fun for me.

You have some good questions down on there.

Well, I wonder if I did them yet, but they're there.

Well, we should talk about Soul Boom, your podcast, the name of it.

I don't have to plug my stuff.

That's okay.

I like it.

Okay, I'll take that back.

Soul Boom is a podcast that I do.

Well, you have a huge...

Don't listen to him.

Don't listen to him.

Cut here.

Cut back here.

No.

Soul Boom.

Danny, you're not allowed to get it.

That's never happened.

It's never happened.

We never had a guy from the office who knows the play to the lens.

Soul Boom is a podcast that I do that's about

spirituality, mental health, philosophy, metaphysics, but it's also funny and we laugh a lot and have some great conversations and it's going great and people like it and and it's fun, and I love it.

So, this is kind of this other side of your personality, of spirituality, investigatory, all about it, how it can heal the world.

I'm going to cut to the chase.

I want to hear it.

I'm a colossal fuck-up.

I had a lot of mental health problems.

I have a lot of addiction problems, and I needed spirituality to kind of save my ass.

And so, I like to talk about it and read about it and think about it, period.

That's just it.

There's no simple.

Julia Cameron says, I come to spirituality not out of virtue but out of necessity so for me it's like it's tools that help me in my life and otherwise i tend to be very billions miserable and self-destructive billions of people because what better topic or question is there

who how did we get here yep and what are we doing here yeah what is our purpose and how did we get here so that never goes away so that leads you to

I'm so tiny and I will be dead for a trillion years

or infinity.

So I don't mind talking about astrophysics.

Earth.

Have I been here before?

Am I reincarnated?

There's a lot of things.

Have you ever

created enough?

How does that work?

What happens when we die?

Do we have a soul?

All that.

Have you had a supernatural experience?

I mean, have you seen, have you felt the other side or felt the presence of a goat or anything like that?

Presence of a goat?

Goat.

A goat.

People say goat all the time.

I saw Michael Jordan at a restaurant.

Have you slept with a goat?

That's my question.

I have fucked a goat, yes.

And, you know, I'm not.

Sleep is a little more PG for our pun.

I like it.

So long.

I'm sorry.

Made love.

You made it on camera.

Made love.

He doesn't know what your lens is.

That's why you don't know your lenses.

We have four fucking cameras.

This is for real.

My father passed away about five years ago, and there were a lot of profound things that came up for me in that.

And when I was preparing his body for burial and we washed the body and wrapped it in a shroud and

uh

uh i realized like oh these are just corporeal vessels that carry our essence this was not him this was just a shell a shell exactly a meat suit a meat suit a flesh tuxedo shell better it's a little i like shell better yeah yeah totally we're just our i like meat suit better okay two against one as long as it fits right Yeah,

um, and there's nothing there, you just see a person, you're like, but I have a dialogue with my father that I feel is very strong, and I know that sounds like woo-woo and crazy, but I really, and it's not like I hear him going, Rain, pick up your socks or something like that.

Like, but I definitely like

there's some conversations, presence, and sometimes like the other day I was kind of making coffee in our little coffee nook, and I was like,

he's here with me.

Like, I just, I don't know what it was.

I was just like, he's like here with me.

I like it.

And

so, you know,

was there a vision or something like that?

Not exactly, but a lot of

intuition.

So we were very close.

We had a very deep, connected relationship.

I think that's nice.

It also helps cope after these things happen.

Yeah.

And

who knows, man?

Who knows?

Who knows?

Who knows where?

Rain Wilson hates the office and speaks to his dead ghost father.

Ghost dad, Bill Cosby.

Never see that.

Because the little bit.

Sorry.

Dana Carvey canceled for doing Cosby in person.

You can't even do an impression.

Oh, in 20.

Did you see Ghost Dad?

It's pretty good.

I remember Ghost Dad.

I don't know if I saw it.

Is that Bill Cosby?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bill Cosby in the 60s, his albums were just like

everybody was in awe of Fat Albert, stuff like that.

I don't even know what happened, but everyone stopped hanging out with him.

I don't even remember what happened.

What up?

Everyone just kind of dropped him.

Yeah.

I did a bit in 2016 I can't do now.

Belcos.

Go ahead.

Please do that.

Yeah, don't do it.

It's just mumbling.

This guy's on the office.

He knows offensive stuff.

It's good.

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did you guys like the office just be honest for real

yes and i went i went to a taping of just shoot me oh you did yeah because enrico colantoni was in galaxy quest oh he was that's right i uh went in and all i remember is like i was so hungry i hadn't eaten and i thought there would be like more for anything

and there wasn't like they didn't like bring the i had to like ask him to get me some food he had a security guard like give me some food were you in the crowd yeah and And they used to give one pizza for everybody, and they'd hit it like a bunch of fucking Wolverines because they don't feed them for, they keep you there for four hours.

I was starving, but it was very funny to watch.

Okay, good.

I was very impressed.

You guys were just so deft,

and yeah, it was a really great watch.

He was the fawns

of the show.

I did like the office, and I will say, the funny thing is how some of these things were a little rough around the edges.

Some of these jokes were a little controversial today, but today it still kills.

kills, so that does make sense.

Everyone still loves it.

Can I make an observation?

If Steve Carell, is Michael Scott, yeah, or Steve, his character is so clueless and saying such crazy stuff.

Is it satiric?

Isn't it satire as opposed to

offensive?

Isn't it just making fun of clueless people who say and do offensive things?

But Ricky Gervais is so brilliant at that, and that was the setup.

Like if you have the most clueless, unself-conscious person who's only going to kind of speak before they think at the center of a show, you can get away with everyone as long as you cut to the reactions of everyone going,

rolling their eyes, then he can say the most offensive shit known to man.

It's a brilliant comic setup.

Yeah, I'll do Stanley reaction.

Ready?

Yeah.

That's good.

It's not bad.

That's good.

Okay, someone says something racist and foul.

Who is that person?

Is that you?

That's me saying no.

I said no, I do not in the office.

Well, you know, you can use glasses as a kind of a thing.

No, that's ridiculous.

Here's me on the office.

You say something too sexual.

Okay.

I sit my desk and I look at the camera.

Here's me what was the name of the video.

Is that you as Tez Stanley or as David Spade?

That's me if I'm on the office.

Okay.

But I'm playing like just some hot guy or something.

Gary or something.

Yeah.

Just some hot guy.

Here's me watching The Office and I see that it's an episode about Dwight.

Fuck.

Wow.

That's your read-through.

Wow, that's how you welcome me to your show.

That was me doing a non-joke.

Of course, I love you.

Here's me at read-through, and it's Dwight Heavy.

See,

I know I just read through it.

I just read through it.

You did it better.

The

feds or whatever.

But I love The Office, the tension of it,

it was revolutionary.

And I don't think any other series for the last 25 years has

retained its popularity like The Office of the United States.

Well, increased its popularity.

I think that people, when we were finishing the show, Steve had left.

Our ratings were in decline.

You know, frankly, the show got worse in its last couple of seasons.

There were still some great episodes.

It was still better than most everything else on TV.

But, you know, you lose one of the great comic geniuses of all time.

It's going to take a hit.

And then

after it,

when was that?

2014, 15, or something like that.

There was a couple of years there.

No one was thinking about the office.

And the streaming brought it back.

And there's something about it that's so evergreen.

I don't know what it is.

It's fluorescent lights, cubicles.

It just kind of men's warehouse style suits.

Like it just...

It just kind of doesn't feel dated at all.

You just watch some other stuff.

And it just feels like, wow, that looks like 1994 right there on my TV set.

And a a great show, you always feel like no other actor could play every single part.

That's good, yeah.

There's like no one could have played Dwight except you.

Steve Carell, his part.

You know, it's just like that's what great, great shows.

Well, you can't imagine anyone else.

Yeah, you can't imagine Seinfeld with any other different leaders.

I beg to death.

Sorry.

That's Seinfeld.

That's Seinfeld's very.

Is that what Seinfeld?

I do Seinfeld as a serial killer.

That's the only.

Go ahead.

I think I'm I'm going to get down in your Spolina.

Just get up like this.

You know, that gear he's got where he goes, I think I could maybe do this.

What are these people doing?

Then he goes up there.

We love Jerry.

He's brilliant.

Have you looked at a pop-tart?

That just sounds like the beginning of something.

It is pretty good.

It's like he invented the what's the deal with kind of set of jokes.

What's the deal with the

DMV?

Like, what's the deal with this glass?

Is this glass half full or half empty?

What's the deal with that?

All well written, though.

He's got so many.

Can I do my one?

I've done it before, but it's Jerry's new.

It's an album.

Okay.

Jerry Seinfeld does comedy live album.

It's just a picture of Jerry like this.

And

the title is Paperclips Why?

Exactly.

I like that.

Paperclips Why got nothing.

I don't feel like we got to any of those questions.

No, we got to send it.

How many other guests?

How many other shows are you doing today?

Seven.

We rarely do two.

No, we're doing two today.

We rarely.

Who's coming in?

Terry Hatcher.

Was she at the same time as you were on

Yes for Housewives?

Yeah.

Okay.

Were you ever the pool boy?

I never was the pool boy.

Did you ever see her out and about at Emmy parties?

Yes.

We bumped into each other, sure.

We bumped uglies.

Okay.

Well, I love that because I watched.

Terry's really nice and a really good actor.

I think I did a reading in a New York theater with her, too.

She's very good.

Yeah.

I got a golden globe or something for that yeah i love that you love star trek and and kung fu yeah the tv kung fu carradine yeah well in uh i watch that every day i watch star trek next gen now you know i'm re-watching episodes oh how is that is it holding up like re-watching it yeah

well because you watch all this stuff that's what's your favorite season of that show like could you skip season one go because it gets better i think it did get better but i think brett spiner is brilliant in that character And I think Patrick Stewart, the gravitas he brings, Mr.

Data, American Show,

is so,

and it's also, it's a morality play.

You want to be Patrick Stewart's character.

You want to be Captain Picard.

He's just got this moral compass.

It's really kind of a cat and mouse game, and they're trying to help a civilization evolve.

It's very feel-good.

A lot of these shows are so toxic now and dark that you just...

Well, you know, there was an interesting thing about the next generation, which is Roddenberry thought that at that point in time in humanity's evolution, there would no longer be disagreements between people.

And so if you notice on the next generation, in, you know, we're doing the best we can, Captain, give it more.

Like the original series, they're like, they're butting heads a lot.

We got no more power, Captain.

Yeah.

I can't go on.

Make it so scony.

I can't get on.

So go ahead.

Oh my God.

That's so delicious.

That was the first one.

But the next generation,

they didn't argue like that.

You never heard him saying, like, number one, make it so.

And like, like,

Captain, we're not going to.

Oh, you're right.

They're really in the same frequency.

So the ideas had to be deeper.

And

yeah, I thought, there was an episode.

Do you remember the episode where they were playing a video game?

And it was kind of like a,

what's that little serpent game going around?

And, and they would get a...

It planted like a thing in their brain to give them a dopamine hit every time.

And they were all like playing this video game and they were all getting these dopamine hits but it was actually an alien invading like their brain yeah and it it it presaged the word it presaged like video games our dopamine yeah dumping devices that we keep in our in our pockets with endless video games and porn and youtube clips and uh yeah i'm getting excited when you talk about it i'll show you i'm getting pre-dopamine

i drink i eat a cereal called dopaminis little mini dopamine hits

Dopaminis, they're delicious.

We should see if we can get it.

We should get that.

Let's start doing fake sponsors.

Can I stay for the Terry Houcher?

You should stay.

You absolutely can.

Can I just sit back there?

I love listening to you guys.

She's going to be good because

she always did when I was there.

I love my best guess.

But I'm going to leave you guys.

But

I got a million things going today.

I just got a new abacus.

I have a new podcast.

This is our first episode.

We're just going going to start.

It's called Rain and Me.

You're filming the second one.

I'm leaving.

And then you go to the next one.

I'm launching a new podcast, Rain and Me.

Okay.

David, and obviously Let It Rain.

Fly on the Wall.

There's so many you could do.

Let It Rain.

There's so many

teased with that shame.

I got teased mercilessly.

I really.

And plus, it didn't help that

I was

kind of a nerd and a dick at the same time.

So

it was not a good.

No, I was very sweet, but I was very nerdy, and I had the name Rain, and I had a giant head.

And that was a toxic company.

George Siegel told me you have to stop.

I don't have a giant head to be a movie star.

Because he had a giant head, and he goes, who did?

And George Siegel, and he goes, you,

sorry.

I go, oh, are there any tiny-headed movie stars?

There has to be.

Well, Mickey Rooney's was huge.

Was it?

I think it looks circular.

Oh, yeah.

What's the

African queen guy?

Bogart?

Bogart.

Giant.

See?

Giant meditation.

Some very grant.

Medium to luck.

But you're right.

Like, who has a tiny head?

Who has a tiny head?

Maybe Don Knotts.

And?

Don Knotts?

Maybe.

I don't know if Jonathan.

Andy Griffith looked like he had a big one.

Yeah.

Face in the crowd.

Maybe they just had little shoulders and little bodies.

I don't know if it's an optical illusion.

Maybe they don't.

I don't think my head's very lungey.

I've got a tiny head.

Tiny head, but I've got tiny shoulder.

I did that.

I didn't even want to say wrong.

I'm doing it.

I got to go, but he's gotta go.

You've got to get on the 40.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Be sure to look at his picture.

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