Charlie Sheen Bets On Himself And Keeps WINNING!

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Speaker 2 He came back talking about this guy named Tom Cruise. Oh.
In my mind, I added a Z and I thought he was Latin. I thought he was a Mexican or a Spaniard or something, right? It was, it was

Speaker 2 warlock or bust.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I said to Dave, I said, if that, if that breaks loose, we're clearly in the crush zone, right?

Speaker 2 And I said, are you cool if I'm the last guy, like, on this planet that you interact with?

Speaker 1 Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen, the one and only.
Internationally known as God is my witness.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that's meant. You need a witness for that?

Speaker 1 It's just a figure of speech. Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 1 What a career.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huge movies. You were talking about his run of movies.
Like

Speaker 1 from 21 years old, I think he popped into Ferris Bueller with a cameo, just a good-looking burnout dude. Did one scene and

Speaker 1 stood out. Yeah.
Yeah. I think he stayed up all night for that to show that he was a guy that stayed up all night.
Yes. And when you're 19, you stay up all night.
It's not a massive

Speaker 1 deal.

Speaker 1 He's wasted. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I guess he, I think, with Charlie, when he went off the rails a little bit, was

Speaker 1 too much fame, too good-looking, and too rich. It's just, you get everything you want.
It's a very odd, I don't know the feeling. It's very odd.

Speaker 1 Being medium-rich, medium-looking, and medium-ness across the board, it's different. So he just has everything.

Speaker 1 Girls are falling at his feet, and he's got drugs wherever he goes, and every celebrity wants to hang out with him. So, yeah, a huge movie star.

Speaker 1 He's 21. He's doing Wall Street.
It really

Speaker 1 is kind of unparalleled how many movies he's made

Speaker 1 at such a young age. Platoon and just, yeah.
And then he got into all the funny movies, you know.

Speaker 1 Hot shots. Hot shots, yeah.
Major league.

Speaker 1 There's like so many to talk to. And then he does this massive

Speaker 1 sitcom, Two and a Half Men.

Speaker 1 One of the last ones of that kind of

Speaker 1 big audience syndicated

Speaker 1 money. And then he really, and there's no real limits.
He doesn't care what we ask him. And he was pretty funny.
We were light and loose with them.

Speaker 1 And we couldn't do it in person because I think all of us were sick.

Speaker 1 Remember? Right.

Speaker 1 I was full COVID. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I enjoyed this one a lot with Charlie Sheen. I found him really charming.
I know he's had a lot of rough times in his life, but the guy I met on the Zoom is a real charming, humble, nice guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And funny, too.
You decide, folks.

Speaker 1 You decide and give us your comments.

Speaker 1 Here comes.

Speaker 1 Here he comes. Hey, what song is this, Charlie? What song? Here he comes again.

Speaker 1 Looking bad, or what is that? Dolly? Everybody has a right to.

Speaker 2 I don't recognize it.

Speaker 1 Dolly. Here he comes again.
All right. So our producer said here he comes.
So I just

Speaker 1 popped in my head. Yeah, I think we're good.

Speaker 2 Awesome. Thank you, bro.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Charlie, this is a great place if you're a termite.

Speaker 2 That's Emilio Estevez right there.

Speaker 1 Wait, can he hang out for a second? Because that was my first thing I wanted to do. They're asking for you, dude.
Emilio, you won't remember me.

Speaker 1 Do you mind?

Speaker 1 This was one of my things because I wanted to not bore the shit out of you.

Speaker 1 Emilio, I just want to.

Speaker 1 You're in my research. I'm not making this up.
I was like,

Speaker 1 because I was like, holy shit. I saw the doc.
I saw you guys doing all the little super eights and all that.

Speaker 1 And then you're fucking, you do, you got, there's Red Dawn, but you do Platoon, Ferris Bueller, Wall Street, Major League.

Speaker 1 Your brother

Speaker 1 does the Outsiders Repo, Man, which is a personal favorite. Breakfast Club, Santa Almost Fire.
And then you connect with Young Guns. So what the fuck? That has never happened in history.

Speaker 1 You both were like children, little tiny kids. becoming movie stars like that.
Anyway, that's why, Amelia, I wanted to. Amelia, we just want to tell you, you're a fucking stud.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you guys are

Speaker 2 he can't hear you because I'm on the

Speaker 1 phone. We can't hear you.
We tell him we gave him 100 compliments. And now we're going to go.

Speaker 2 We gave you 100 compliments. And it was all love.
And it was about the breadth of our combined films

Speaker 2 in that timeframe. And he said, then we did all that.
We were giant movie stars as children. Yeah.
So yeah, but we were all

Speaker 2 in the same boat. What are you guys talking about?

Speaker 1 We were all the same. I was a waiter till I was 24.
What do you tell him that?

Speaker 2 He said he was a waiter till he was 24.

Speaker 1 It wasn't in that boat. He wasn't in that boat.

Speaker 1 Anyway. All right.
Amelia, sorry we can't hear you, but nice to see you, buddy.

Speaker 2 Thank you, bro. Thank you.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 It's great to see him. That's cool.

Speaker 1 That's cool. That's a treat.
Good time. So that was most of your time, Charlie.
That was most of our time. We look better in person.
Don't think of this, what you're seeing now.

Speaker 1 We're pretty good looking, David and I. You know, I just saw Charlie at the fight, yeah.

Speaker 2 That was pretty, that was pretty cool, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 You know what? Let me tell you, I'll tell Dana the funniest thing you said is right when I said Michael Irvin had his legs wrapped around your chair talking to someone behind him.

Speaker 1 And you go, I don't think Michael Irwin knows spatial awareness.

Speaker 2 I mean, it was

Speaker 2 an astute observation, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 It was perfect because the chairs were this wide, right? They were little plastic chairs.

Speaker 1 I go, uh ted surround us in front of you i was like ted i want to talk to you about the shitty chairs when you get one second it's too late now but maybe for the next one and uh they were all tied together

Speaker 1 they were zip tied together yeah yeah well spatial awareness is a funny word by a phrase

Speaker 1 you see what you're doing charlie when it comes to comedy that was funny you could have said it in a lot of different ways but spatial awareness because we're stand-ups you know that's all we do so basically well he's a film star but uh yeah you're a comedian um you know just I was looking into some of your rants.

Speaker 1 We can go wherever you want, but they're all really fucking funny. That's what really struck me about that era of tiger blood and everything.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're, they're comedically like

Speaker 1 funny on top of everything else. It's not the rantings of a madman.
It's a comedian unleashed, you know? Yeah. Wow.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I've never heard it described as such. That's.

Speaker 1 Are you on drugs? Yes, I'm on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen.

Speaker 1 That's like

Speaker 1 rhythmic. And how are you doing? Winning, not just I'm winning.
By the way, these jokes are to like Katie Kirk or this most flat audience, Savannah Guthrie, going, uh-huh.

Speaker 1 You have a bit, a lot of problems in your life. You're like, or do I? I'm on Coke.
And they're like, well,

Speaker 1 you're laying down magic. You didn't even know at the time.
Because the whole idea, which

Speaker 1 in therapy, they should use these quotes because they're funny. And they're self-affirming.
They're kind of saying, fuck you, get out of my way. We all want to have that feeling sometimes.

Speaker 1 But I looked at them as the work of a comedian. I mean, they're just really,

Speaker 1 are you bipolar? I'm bi-winning. I win here.
I win there. Now what? This is funny.
They picked a fight with a warlock. You know, I mean, it's, it's just funny.

Speaker 1 I don't know if anyone is, we're trying to think of stuff that you haven't been asked because I know this is your second interview around. the book of Sheen.
You've done one interview and then this.

Speaker 1 And then you've got to, yeah. we wanted to surprise you.
But

Speaker 1 there are things I wanted to talk about. That's one of them.
But David, have you any questions? Go ahead.

Speaker 1 Charlie has a quick question. Charlie.

Speaker 2 I just want to point something out. If I say

Speaker 2 you've picked a fight with a warlock, right?

Speaker 2 That's like

Speaker 2 that implies that I would have experience with that or I'd have some kind of perspective or context with that, right?

Speaker 2 I've never picked a fight with a warlock. No.

Speaker 1 I think that's kind of just a life rule that that that you don't you see a warlock you don't pick a fight you know no and we all know i don't even know specifically what my image is but warlock kind of means like some sort of weird mythological creature you don't want to go near exactly exactly did you have did you have any alt did you had an alternative to warlock or was that just boom they picked it was it just comes out warlock or bust yeah

Speaker 1 he's got the phrases that are very catchy but no one has ever heard do you own these though they're all

Speaker 1 online they're so fun

Speaker 1 charlie part of it is when you're in these interviews and i watch these people with a lot of it unfortunately is fake concern for you you know what i mean they're like hey are you okay and you're like what do you give a

Speaker 1 do you really care

Speaker 1 you're like are you calling the kids every night you're like do you want to babysit my kid at a certain point you start to go are you really really if you really care i'll tell you these answers but you're kind of trying to get a pickup piece for your clip for the news news or for your show.

Speaker 1 And so you're using me to go, oh, I'm going to be the concerned person, condescendingly asking Charlie. You're like, I have $100 million.

Speaker 1 Is it horrible right now? And that's kind of a weird place to be in where they're like, do we envy you or do we feel sorry? You know, because you had a lot going.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, but when somebody poses those questions,

Speaker 2 What do you think would have happened if I had said,

Speaker 2 I'm not? And how do you uh plan on helping me yeah what are you doing like do you have a guest room do you have uh yeah do you have a do you have a stocked fridge um is there crude

Speaker 1 anywhere that i could have access any right um yeah so it's like facebook moms putting on facebook i don't like when you showed a picture of your kid in the front seat i you should never like what do you care are you really are you really that worried anyway we got so much to talk to charlie about i also want to just insert one thing on winning and also the way you said winning.

Speaker 1 Winning.

Speaker 1 You know, did that influence Trump kind of? Because he really works a word and he really, you're going to be winning so much. You're going to win.
You win. I don't know.

Speaker 1 There is something about that word.

Speaker 1 Did you win? Yeah, I went. I'm winning.
I'm winning more. You know, I don't know.
It's just interesting. interaction historically, but who knows? Right.

Speaker 2 But the, but the book gets into the genesis of that material.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's what I'm so happy to hear, the book of Sheen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 And it's,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I kind of kept it,

Speaker 2 kept it a secret for years that it wasn't my original material, that it was inserted into my brain sort of as a pep talk, like a couple of days earlier by a baseball player from the Giants named Brian Wilson, a guy nicknamed The Beard.

Speaker 2 Remember the beard?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, I was watching a highlight package of his and I told my pal Tony Todd, I said, hey, I'm going to talk to that dude.

Speaker 2 And the next day i was on the phone and he just rolled out all all that stuff the stuff that the material that turned into slogans and t-shirts and folk songs and everything else right and so

Speaker 2 yeah but then i couldn't really say in the middle of that that that that that whole

Speaker 2 you know tsunami that i was cresting on a nuclear surfboard right i couldn't i couldn't say by the way all that shit was borrowed that t-shirt you're wearing not my stuff i just had to roll with it and then about midway through all the chaos, I spoke to him and I said, Hey, man, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 I feel like I stole your stuff and maybe you had plans to use it elsewhere. And he said, No, no, no, it's fine.
It's, I said, and you're probably thinking that

Speaker 2 you got it into the wrong brain and hence the wrong mouth.

Speaker 2 And he was like, Well, you know, it's, I never quite saw it going this far. But if someone's going to borrow your material, then

Speaker 2 spread the love. Why not?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, because it was the timing and the way you delivered it.

Speaker 1 And it's you saying it on all over. It's you saying it and the rhythm.
I don't know if he was, because that was your rhythm, right?

Speaker 2 The winning thing was originally delivered with that inflection.

Speaker 1 With the high pitch, too? Winning.

Speaker 2 Winning. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know. And that's why

Speaker 2 it got logged in there like that.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 his material, but then I think through

Speaker 1 my filters and, you know, through whatever else was going on, uh, it it became what it what it did, you know, right, because he was being interviewed sometimes by contrarians or whatever, trying to talk to you, and you were just coming back with something so extremely different than anyone would expect that that was part of the comedy of it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he had people interviewing him, you know, in that way, but uh, it's interesting. So, also, losing isn't quite as catchy, it doesn't, it doesn't losing

Speaker 1 really isn't, It really isn't.

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Speaker 1 Charlie, here's a dumb question.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. You got one question? Go ahead.
He can talk too, though. You can talk whenever you want.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 Have you and I ever met, Dana?

Speaker 1 I don't think we've ever met.

Speaker 2 I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 No, that meeting. I don't think so either.
Yeah. We almost, Fred Wolf was doing some kind of movie and you were in it.
And some

Speaker 1 of you were going to do it. Yeah, Mad Families.
Yes. And I was, for a while, I was going to do that, but I just was doing stand-up or whatever I was doing, but we would have met then.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And David and I had a scene together. Do you remember this?

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. Mad Families.
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 I like rewrote it. I turned it in like three pages and I came to you like five minutes before we were going to shoot it.
I'm like, let's do it this way, man. I was fucking hammered, dude.

Speaker 1 I was hammered that day.

Speaker 2 And apologies.

Speaker 2 But we did, we did have a nice vibe and a nice rhythm and a nice thing in that scene, didn't we?

Speaker 1 Yes. I remember that was Naya Rivera was in that movie.
Little,

Speaker 1 was Lil Rel in it?

Speaker 2 Lil, Lil, Lil Rel, yeah.

Speaker 1 Lil Rel. And yeah.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 do remember coming to do one scene and I had to speak with everybody. I don't remember enough about it, but if you, if we if we did a collab

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 that uh i hope it came out all right mad family sort of was we call it under the radar because it was on crackle it was on crackle yes crackle um turned into an app it was supposed to be like netflix and then it kind of wasn't

Speaker 1 like nor very

Speaker 1 kind of wasn't wasn't um yeah they they they kind of bailed on it you know charlie do you remember the story of tom hurts

Speaker 1 try to put a show together with us

Speaker 1 and it was after you left two and a half men and tom hurts in all his wisdom was working on two and a half men for years i guess then he came to do rules of engagement another show that i did no tom tom was on uh spin city

Speaker 1 i think also spin oh spin city and then he came to us because he worked with you and he knew you sure and then and then um he came to me and said

Speaker 1 What about you and Charlie doing a show?

Speaker 1 And I said, isn't Charlie a little bit in the doghouse with the CBS? Because it was literally in the middle of all that.

Speaker 1 And he says, well,

Speaker 1 Les Mundez likes this idea. I was like, he does.

Speaker 1 Even in the middle of Charlie, I think either you guys were suing each other. There's some pure chaos.

Speaker 1 And I was like, well,

Speaker 1 and then it kind of fizzled out. But I thought it would have been fun back then.
That was, it would have been kind of a fun pairing.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So it, it, no, it would have been awesome.

Speaker 1 And so so it would have been that instead of anger management right oh yeah maybe yeah that's right i think that's what you went into next oh yeah was an anger management was a 90 10 deal it was it it was 1090 yeah yeah those are those deals dana where you'd shoot it was sort of a new formula where you'd shoot 10 episodes and if they liked it they'd buy the back 90.

Speaker 1 so it's very it was very interesting because you'd gamble and charlie gambled and won again and he got a hundred out of it, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we got to 100, but

Speaker 2 it didn't catch fire like we were kind of hoping, you know. Sure.
But it's interesting,

Speaker 2 it's literally like a 10-episode pilot. Yeah.
And so then they take the average number from those episodes that air, and it has to get above a certain threshold.

Speaker 2 And if that happens, then it activates the next 90.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you get a picture of 100 episodes. You get 100 episodes and you get back end on it or

Speaker 1 exactly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you take a lot less upfront salary, but you have an ownership position that's pretty significant when they work. But this one, because

Speaker 2 I wasn't ready to go back to work.

Speaker 1 Was it right after two and a half men? So it's hard to go right to a show.

Speaker 2 It was about six months after.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's pretty fast.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Which for me probably felt like a weekend, you know at the time in the middle of all that yeah um and dana you wouldn't like it it's like two in a day don't you shoot like you shoot faster yeah and there's no audience and sometimes you're doing two shows a week or you didn't finish the second show from last week so you start the week with that so you're really trying to focus on three shows that week and it's just And it doesn't, yeah, I think a lot of the process suffers.

Speaker 1 Not the thing to get you off drugs, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 Definitely not. No.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Most of the casts end up on drugs when they do the 1090 thing. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 Because of the pressure.

Speaker 1 I heard of my friend, a friend of mine that we all know just did a 1090 deal or 9010, whatever we call it. And

Speaker 1 I don't think it kicked in. So it's the gamble.
You're betting on yourself. And I think it's a pretty good gamble.
I probably would have done one of those because

Speaker 1 it's something you get some money, but there's a big high reward.

Speaker 2 Sure. Wait, your your friend did one uh recently recently that's what i'd heard

Speaker 1 are they still kicking those around wow uh because i thought they kind of went away was it a multi

Speaker 1 i'm pretty sure it would have been a multi that's the probably the fastest you can do it yeah okay

Speaker 1 you know i'll tell you after but uh because i don't want to say anything about his real name because maybe he would feel like oh it didn't get picked up but got it i'll tell you after and uh okay that's very interesting though that the 1090 could still be floating out there when syndication isn't quite as valuable obviously you were you were sort of one of the last not the last but

Speaker 1 you your show two and a half minutes which is still on you know honestly too much and um it's on probably 12 stations at any given time when was the end i mean it was that the when this uh the syndication thing started big bang was one of the biggest endings yeah

Speaker 1 sure

Speaker 2 we had modern family you know um when when when was it on as far as like when was it

Speaker 2 actual broadcast?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the blog, when syndication was a really big thing still, you know, because then it was Seinfeld in the 90s and so forth. But I guess it got that pop and you were making a really good salary.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know,

Speaker 2 I was trying to negotiate my way out of it.

Speaker 2 I was waiting for them to say, it's, you know, all right, we're done. Seven is plenty.
This guy's asking for the moon. We can only afford it.

Speaker 1 The only guy in America trying to get himself out out of like a huge show so by asking for so much money to get out basically yeah i was calling their wife yes okay they said yes and i was like

Speaker 2 because i had a conversation with my manager when i was in rehab when they were trying to negotiate for uh eight and nine And I felt like seven had just, I kind of just reached my limit.

Speaker 2 I didn't see that we had a lot of stories left to tell, you know, and I just, I, I'd completely lost a passion.

Speaker 2 Um, tons of, tons of shit shit in the background in my personal life that wasn't, you know, I'm not, I'm not blaming anyone, but it was making the job just more complicated than it had to be, you know, and I told, I told my manager, Mark, at the time, I said, if I, if I go back, I have a hunch that, that something is going to go, it's going to go horrible.

Speaker 1 The dam's going to break.

Speaker 2 Damn's going to break. Yeah, man.
Now, do you, do you think that was a self-fulfilling? prophecy or do you think i just i just knew that that's how the planets were going to be misaligned?

Speaker 1 Well, I think you know when you get overwhelmed.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, I mean, everyone says money is the key thing, but when you already have money, you've been rich probably since Apocalypse Now, you've had money, a couple of beans in your jeans.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. Apocalypse now, Platoon.
Red Dawn. He got backhand on Red Dawn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was over.

Speaker 2 It's still paying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Red Dawn covers those Honda Accord payments just alone. So you got that.
And then you go, everyone's, your life is great with money, but it sounds stupid, but it does complicate a lot of things.

Speaker 1 And you've got so many complications going on. And I think you had a trailer on the set as opposed to a dressing room.
Did you have a bus or something?

Speaker 2 I had a tour bus.

Speaker 1 A tour bus. That's what I had heard.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was jealous when I heard it.

Speaker 2 I had a marathon coach. It was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Right outside the stage door, probably, right? Like where you walk out and then

Speaker 1 you shoot.

Speaker 2 It was right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you shoot and you go in and wait and then you come back in and do your scenes. So you can do whatever you want in there, obviously.
and probably took advantage of that.

Speaker 2 Two and a half, not so much. The stuff before it and the stuff after it,

Speaker 2 very much so much. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 when did you first feel like incredibly wealthy?

Speaker 1 Was it after Wall Street or when, or for you, you know, you're in your early 20s. When did you kind of go, holy shit, I'm a millionaire or I'm close to a millionaire, you know, Teddy stuff, right?

Speaker 2 It was probably like in the mid 90s oh okay

Speaker 2 yeah but there was about 30 yeah yeah but there was a moment early on when i got my first uh acting paycheck from grizzly from grizzly 2 the predator oh that's or the revenge as they retitled the movie grizzly they did a sequel yes yes yeah and so um i made two grand a week and i was there for three i made six grand i didn't care i didn't know about taxes or any of that and i went to the bank and just took it all in cash

Speaker 2 And I walked into a clothing store and there were these two kind of fancy vests, not like a Western vest, but like a camping vest, right?

Speaker 2 And I couldn't decide on the color. It was like a blue one or a freaking green one.
And I was like, I'm going to take them both.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And they were like, you know, 40 bucks each, 60 bucks each, whatever.
And just laid out the cash. And literally in that moment, I felt, okay, all right.
This is, I'm feeling like a big shot.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 But then you all take both and then you go, you like that shit? And the lady goes, oh, there's more where that came from, bitch.

Speaker 1 Why are you being aggressive? I don't know, bitch. Maybe it's the money winning.
How much

Speaker 1 are you? I hate to,

Speaker 1 I did a police academy movie and I was making not much money, but it was more than I ever had in my life. And I saw some pants in the window.
in Toronto and I went in and the lady goes, those are $60.

Speaker 1 It was like pretty woman.

Speaker 1 like, those are for rich people. And I go,

Speaker 1 I'll take them. And she's like, whoa, everyone in the store was like, whoa.
And I was like, 60s, nothing to me because I got $100 in pretty much. So I bought it.

Speaker 1 I literally, there's very few times I felt richer. We all have that story.
You know, I was interested, and I'm sure this in the book that you'd think, hey, Martin Sheen's his dad.

Speaker 1 He's growing up like a billionaire, you know. And obviously in the documentary,

Speaker 1 it's pretty middle class. You know, it's not fancy pants.
You and me, you guys need no money. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 You can see our house in the background of a lot of the Super 8s. Yeah.
You know, and it's not a mansion. Documentary.
It's not a manicured freaking.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's very funky and cool. Great for a kid.
But I was wondering if anyone in that posse, like I'm fascinated by Sean Penn. Sean, when did you get to that? Rob Lowe, or are you your friends?

Speaker 1 Did anyone have a silver spoon or we were all kind of middle class in a sense we were we were all middle class um

Speaker 2 uh rob's uh the the the lows came in a little later and the reason you know he wasn't excluded intentionally but the footage that the director andrew renzi chose to incorporate was from you know the like the like the younger younger years you know

Speaker 2 I think by the time I started making those films with Rob and his brother Chad,

Speaker 2 I think think video, videotape came into play.

Speaker 2 It was actually, do you remember this thing called the,

Speaker 2 it was like a Polaroid brand, but it was a Polaroid video camera? Do you remember this?

Speaker 1 I never heard it really.

Speaker 2 It developed in the player while you were waiting.

Speaker 2 And then it played it.

Speaker 2 It was called Polar Vision, I think.

Speaker 2 So that's, you know, yeah, so we were sort of in the cutting edge of like as the technology was improving.

Speaker 2 But no, his, his, the Lowe's

Speaker 2 dad

Speaker 2 was still in Ohio and their stepdad was a psychiatrist. They lived right down the street.
Sean's parents,

Speaker 2 a director, actress.

Speaker 2 You know, they were

Speaker 2 married until the day they both died.

Speaker 2 And so, but nobody was, nobody was rolling. Nobody was driving a fancy car or fancy duds or

Speaker 2 picking up a check.

Speaker 2 So yeah,

Speaker 2 it was really a cool time to

Speaker 2 just experience all of that and not have a ton of excess and special effects and bullshit sort of in the way of

Speaker 2 those memories.

Speaker 1 And Super 8 or whatever that was, it's just so emotional, you know?

Speaker 1 And I think it's funny, like every kid who ever got a hold of a camcorder or whatever, they always want to do war scenes or crime scenes and want to do a death scene. Like, ah, you know, for sure.

Speaker 1 Did you have a good go-to move? Like, oh,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 The platoon move is a big one.

Speaker 1 Willem Dafoe.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The whole, yeah, the whole thing.

Speaker 2 The crucifixion.

Speaker 1 That's been reenacted all over. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I actually, um, I have that as a sticker in my phone that I send people. When I know how to respond, it's just Dafoe like that.
So if you get, if you get that, it just means I'm stumped, you know.

Speaker 1 Fuck it, send me that. It is interesting of like the trifecta.
I think you, for Vietnam War films, you know, you'd say Deer Hunter, Platoon, and Apocalypse Now.

Speaker 1 And there was a sheen in two of them. And I think that that film really, along with Wall Street and others, really holds up.
You know, Platoon has some magic to it. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Would you put full metal jacket in there anywhere or no?

Speaker 1 I put anything Kubrick does as a given. Yes.
Yes, I would. that's a good call full metal jacket anything kubrick pretty much you know sure

Speaker 1 just magic you know pop lips now brilliant uh master master and deer hunter you know the mouth

Speaker 1 you know with christopher walking one of the greatest most intense scenes ever made so yeah but you're part of that and it's pretty cool thank you thank you charlie what movies did you turn down that sting the most and i'll tell you which one if it's opportunity knocks i'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 If it's Tommy Boy, I'm going to be I'm so sorry. It's between you and me.
No, go ahead.

Speaker 2 I turned down

Speaker 2 white men can't jump.

Speaker 1 Oh, for what?

Speaker 1 Were you going to be Woody or Western?

Speaker 2 I would have been Woody. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 2 just coincidentally, a bit later on, I think it came after, maybe before,

Speaker 2 I turned down

Speaker 2 Indecent Proposal.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 So I kept waiting

Speaker 2 for Woody to send me some flowers and thank me for advancing his career like I did.

Speaker 1 Those were big. I found indecent proposal.
You know, I'm a huge Redford fan. God rest the soul.

Speaker 1 End of me more and everything, but I just found the movie very depressing. Woody's character was so like, I mean, that was the only thing I'd say about Dodge.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 It just wasn't my favorite movie, although it's skillfully, brilliantly done. I just was like,

Speaker 2 you know, I couldn't get past the thing that, all right, they did that. He's got the the money to,

Speaker 2 you know, to lessen the sting a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then spends it all on that tchotchki, right? Right. Like the little jade elephant or something.
Or, yeah, yeah. Or am I misremembering that?

Speaker 1 Um, no, it was something weird.

Speaker 2 It was very the show's love was real and it wasn't about money and it wasn't about this, but they still have to stay married and live with that moment, right? With the thing with threat for tough,

Speaker 1 yeah. You know, Charlie's agent wrote back, Charlie likes it, uh,

Speaker 1 but wants to tweak the ending.

Speaker 1 Pretty much. And they said we're pretty locked in the ending.
He said, that's a pass from Charlie. That's pretty much how we go.

Speaker 1 Did you see Broke Back Mountain and call your agent? Why the fuck wasn't I up for this? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have to admit,

Speaker 2 it's kind of one of those films that's always been on that unseen but need to get to it list, you know, and I think that we all sort of have.

Speaker 2 So I never, I never saw it, but I hear it's fabulous.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's a little heartbreaking, but yeah, the performances are exceptional.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good fellas. Good fellas.
We're up for that.

Speaker 2 I was not up for good fellas. No.

Speaker 1 Karate Kid.

Speaker 2 Karate Kid is one that I actually had.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I could classify it as turning it down or describe it as turning it down. It's,

Speaker 2 I just, I, I, you know, it's in the book, it's in the dock, I think. Um, and

Speaker 2 that I, I just asked for some time because the advice from my dad was to was to stay, to honor my word with Grizzly.

Speaker 2 And because I'd already, you know, committed to that.

Speaker 1 Fucking Grizzly kind of fixed it. That fucking bear, that bear, that bear ate me twice, right? Jaws on land.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 2 he said, um, if, if, if they wait for you, it's meant to be.

Speaker 2 If they don't, then it's your, you know, your reputation, being a man of your word, is going to carry you further than one big movie.

Speaker 1 From afar, I do have a lot of admiration for your dad. I did meet him and I did something with him one time.
It was just a charity event. We were all doing Shakespeare with Tom Hanks, but that's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it was kind of like pretend fun Shakespeare. Was it in the park? They do that in the past.
No, it was in Santa Monica in the theater.

Speaker 1 It It's reading, right? Isn't it? Yeah, but then we all go on stage and sort of kid around and are reading. You know, I'm doing impressions and things and that's Shakespeare.

Speaker 1 You know, one thing I was going to ask because

Speaker 1 people who've been in brilliant films around brilliant people,

Speaker 1 the,

Speaker 1 you know, you've ever been across your partner, man, or woman, and went, damn, you know, this person is exceptional, or someone who kind of took you back a little bit by just how great they were at this thing called acting.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 1 who who who who might the who was that i i i wanted to bring up the elevator scene with your dad

Speaker 2 that that was one of those moments um where you actually

Speaker 2 you get distracted because you're you become an audience member and then wait but you're in the scene and shit it's my line uh you know what i mean it's like those moments and i had i had some of them with michael douglas on the same movie definitely had him definitely had him with dad um even though he's only in it you know just a little bit James Spader in Wall Street.

Speaker 1 I was kind of like going, oh, shit.

Speaker 2 So they're doing it like that now. You know what I'm saying? It was like this whole

Speaker 2 thing.

Speaker 2 And then, yeah,

Speaker 2 who else? Who else?

Speaker 2 Oh, shit.

Speaker 2 Michael J. Fox.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 When we had a couple, we had a couple scenes together.

Speaker 2 He had transitioned out and I had stepped in. Oh, but he, but he wanted to stay close enough to it to like to bridge

Speaker 2 the transition, you know? And yeah,

Speaker 2 we did some scenes together and it was

Speaker 2 other level talent. I was like,

Speaker 1 I mean, you look at back, you take a look at back to the future. I was like, I'm doing Trump.

Speaker 1 That's hard to do, you know? And I know he replaced Eric Stoltz, who probably was great, but to be light, play it dramatic and ride that whole wave of those movies. Yeah, Michael J.

Speaker 1 Fox is, I don't know if he's underrated or appropriately appreciated.

Speaker 2 That's a great, that's a great question but it's interesting because there's a thing that i do describe in the book and it's it's it's really there for a reason uh you know not just to to celebrate and to honor him but also because that's like that's my last outpost um before going on to two and a half so i was kind of symbolically implying like okay i borrowed a little bit from this dude you know because there was tons flying off of him and took it over to that thing and we know we saw how that thing went, you know, so well, it's rare.

Speaker 1 Can you imagine how excited when they get two and a half men together and Chuck Laurie and

Speaker 1 the cast is there? And then you're just, you're winning, you're killing it. Like, because it is a skill set and you started in Spin City, but then

Speaker 1 it's hard to find a leading man, handsome leading man, who can also be very funny. You know, so they must have been, you know, high-fiving at some point back behind the scenes, like, you know, just

Speaker 1 because you're, you're, you're great at this, too.

Speaker 1 You know, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 Um, but it was all, it was just playing the straight man, you know. And when I did it in the hot shots,

Speaker 2 but yeah, it's and some of that,

Speaker 1 that's right.

Speaker 2 Well, when I did it in hot shots, I was I was borrowing, you know, a lot of stuff from Leslie Nielsen. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know, oh, who better to borrow? That was the theme of that was sort of the feel. Love, love that movie, hot shots.

Speaker 2 Oh, thank you, thank you. Really,

Speaker 2 and then I was borrowing stuff uh from Ted Danson on cheers for

Speaker 2 two and a half. But I know he's a sober bartender and I was a drunk jingle writer.
But just as far as the straight man and

Speaker 2 you know what I'm saying,

Speaker 2 he's kind of the anchor and all the craziness revolves around, you know, orbits,

Speaker 2 his star, his planet.

Speaker 1 But you're not putting huge spin and overacting. You're not like Kramer.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 You're just saying your lines and they sell themselves with good writing and they know how to write for you. And you're just hard to be a funny straight man like Andy Griffith was to

Speaker 1 barbarous. Thank you.

Speaker 2 But especially coming from you guys, come on, two, two, you know, veterans

Speaker 2 and,

Speaker 2 you know, extremely successful veterans to get. comedic compliments from you guys is really badass.
So thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, don't you and your and your own personal life, you know, kind of fall in love with talent.

Speaker 1 You know, it's just kind of fun to watch, you know, and I, and I was, this was maybe a clumsy thing, but, you know, I thought of people who get out fast, you know, and it's, it's a rare, but it's kind of come that are very talented.

Speaker 1 Like I'm talking about Woody Allen and I'm talking about the Beatles, Bob Dylan, you know, by 21, 22, Brando, and you were kind of in that group in a way.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying loosely because you came out so good and so showed so much talent.

Speaker 1 But, you know, who musically, who's your who's your north star like when you the canon of rock and roll are you pink floyd or are you are you neil young or

Speaker 1 led led zeppelin oh i just watched that documentary on the plane

Speaker 1 they were pretty good yeah yeah i think they got a shot that's probably the legendary front man led zeppelin yeah what did you think of the doc did you did did you like i thought it was pretty good you know i always like when it gets to more i don't always like the beginning i like to know know just to where I knew them, you know, and but it was very interesting and everyone loved it.

Speaker 1 So I watched on the plane, it was perfect. I ate it up very quickly.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, it's excellent.

Speaker 1 What was your thoughts? I love playing.

Speaker 2 I would have liked that they got to if they'd taken it to Zep 4.

Speaker 1 Right. It could have gotten there.
There you go. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Because that's the one.

Speaker 1 They only started to get to the stuff I really liked. And I was like, wait, is that it? It's over.
I was like, go, go, go, go, go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're landing. That's true.
It was interesting for a doc to show them. I guess it was on a TV show or somewhere, but you showed them really jam for like 12 minutes or something.
Like really go song.

Speaker 1 I think they showed one full song. I think it was rock and roll.
They showed the whole

Speaker 1 song. Yeah.
And I was like, this is the one that's probably, I mean, as good as any.

Speaker 1 Oh, question, Charlie. You collect things.
And I'm sort of been in your orbit. We're roughly the same age, roughly in show biz.
You're obviously doing a ton of stuff, way more.

Speaker 1 But in in a weird way i remember i'd heard i was at an elvis auction at butterfield and butterfield in the old days i sometimes buy collectibles and shit i think you're in a maybe baseball card so i've always heard that and sure was there an elvis

Speaker 1 green amex you bought ever because i think i had my eye on one of those wow i said i think charlie sheen got it you know i'd love 50 000 that's the kind of rumor that you want to embrace that's a cool one that's cool yeah because then when the bill comes everybody's kind of waiting for you to drop that thing, right?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 because you can buy, I'm too cool. Dana, I bought an Elvis set list, you know, like he wrote on the on some Michigan Hilton, he was writing all the songs like Love Me Tender, his handwriting and shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow! And so, I bought that and I bought a gun he had, and I bought something else, but I wanted this Amex,

Speaker 1 but it was too rich for my blood. And uh, what did it?

Speaker 2 Because I didn't buy it. I, I, I never, this is the first I'm hearing about this Elvis auction.
It sounds awesome. How much did the Amex go for?

Speaker 1 50,000.

Speaker 2 50,000.

Speaker 1 And that was

Speaker 1 20 years ago. Wow.
Because I was at the auction and Joey Esposito was there. So they were like authenticating stuff.

Speaker 1 And I bought a watch. And I don't have, I don't think, anything left from that because I lost the set list.

Speaker 1 But I bought stuff before. And I thought, oh, I think Charlie does.

Speaker 1 Maybe baseball cards or just, or maybe baseball. I don't know.
Yeah, I got. Are you in and out of of that biz or not?

Speaker 2 I've sold everything.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 And I should have come to that garage sale.

Speaker 1 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 What did you sell that was?

Speaker 2 I had, I, geez, I, I had something like from every era. I had a lot of babe Ruth stuff.
I had that famous

Speaker 2 long white overcoat that he's seen in tons of photos.

Speaker 1 Oh, had the coat? Oh, you had the coat?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I had the coat. I mean, there's probably more than one, but I had one of three probably.

Speaker 2 I had a lot of jerseys,

Speaker 2 had a lot of caps, a lot of hats, some great bats. But there was a turning point moment where, because I had these cool cases built at my house up in Malibu Lake years ago.

Speaker 2 And I had been to the Hall of Fame for the first time. And I thought kind of, this is back then like in 1991.
And I thought what they had, how they had set it up was a bit shoddy.

Speaker 2 I thought this, I could see like a moth like down in the corner behind the glass. And I was like, what what are they doing? Right.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And so I

Speaker 2 was inspired by it. I wanted my cases in my house to be like nicer than the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown.
Right.

Speaker 2 And so we brought in the right people and, you know, and they and they delivered that.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 then

Speaker 2 a couple of years later, I was looking for something and I opened a dresser drawer up in my bedroom and there's a 1941 Ted Williams Rode jersey, like just folded nicely and in the drawer.

Speaker 2 And I had, I had that, you know, it's the area hit, you know, 406 and all that. And

Speaker 2 I had that moment of if I don't have room on a wall for this, like this is the last time that anybody ever did the thing he did while wearing that,

Speaker 2 then I need to, I need to recirculate. a lot of my these artifacts and antiques and just let others enjoy them.
And then I

Speaker 2 Lelands put together an auction and it was all sent back out into the world.

Speaker 1 Interesting. And some cards are not a Honus Wagner card or was it?

Speaker 2 I had one called the five pinhole card because they're just so graded so anally and they have to describe everything.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 I guess some kid back in the 20s was sticking it up

Speaker 2 on a board or somewhere in his bedroom.

Speaker 1 Oh, and it was holes in it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but don't you think you'd at least just keep using the same hole?

Speaker 1 Why did he have to make

Speaker 2 five holes?

Speaker 1 No, those skip shits. They're ruining cards for the future.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they really were.

Speaker 1 But I'm sure that went a little pricey.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it was up there, but not nearly when that Wagner card really got everyone's attention when Ratzky partnered with.

Speaker 2 was it McNall? Guy named McNall.

Speaker 2 And they paid like, what'd they pay for that? Like 500 grand? And everybody was like, this is out of control.

Speaker 1 And now you think about that, that's that's like chump change right yeah i mean all that stuff just keep it's one of the few niche places that just keeps going up faster than stocks it's they just

Speaker 1 people have a passion and

Speaker 1 collect their passion and even you know jay leno probably has made more money or you know he won't sell his cars no but he probably if he did he'd make more money off his passion than even so easily comedic career you know it's very i i have a friend who collects antique bottles and it's his collection is worth three million dollars he's just dug them out of the san francisco bay because it was all landfill and you go in there at night i went with them and you dig where they're excavating the building where you're digging down a hole and then you see this little two inches of ash and that's 1906 the earthquake and the fire then you go further and you're pulling out shoes and stuff once in a while you get a bottle you know that's worth fifty thousand dollars you know so it's interesting to further and you're in china yeah you know one thing i was gonna ask charlie about because i was seeing cooperstown has has this.

Speaker 1 I want to have more. And we all have this 10-year-old boy inside of us.
And it's sometimes

Speaker 1 necessary to have success is just to have a fair play

Speaker 1 competitive instinct. They do that.
I mean, Nicholas Cage was so competitive. I did a movie with him and we just made fun of the competition, you know, because

Speaker 1 Kurt Russell was in Tombstone and he had a line in the movie. You're going to throw down, boy,

Speaker 1 if you remember the movie. To Billy Bob Thornton, Thornton, who weighed 220 pounds.
So when Nicholas thought I did something good, you threw down. You really threw down today.

Speaker 1 You know. Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 What film do you guys do?

Speaker 1 The films I do aren't even on video and they're banned from Earth. No, it was Trapped in Paradise.
Oh. We wandered around in the snow.

Speaker 1 We fell around in the snow, me, him, and John Lovitz, for three months, and somehow they put something together.

Speaker 1 But Nicholas was a blast. He is

Speaker 1 One of the funniest,

Speaker 1 brightest guys I've ever met. Was he one of your Malibu guys? I thought there was

Speaker 1 your relationship with him. Yeah.
No, he's not a Malibu guy.

Speaker 2 He was a town guy

Speaker 2 and a Bay Area guy, sort of back and forth. You know, I'm sorry.
What was the last question?

Speaker 1 Well, I just wanted to know about your relationship with him, you know, because you guys kind of hung out. I know there was, you know, extracurricular activities, but just as a person,

Speaker 1 I found him very charming.

Speaker 2 He's one of my favorite people.

Speaker 2 We don't see each other enough,

Speaker 2 but when we do,

Speaker 2 it's quite special.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because you talk about his intellect, you know, and then you wrap that inside of

Speaker 2 this

Speaker 2 outlandish sense of humor just that is rooted somewhere outside of what us mortals can grasp. And

Speaker 2 it's an insane insane and beautiful mashup.

Speaker 1 He never saw acting as having to be accurate. You know, he just found that you could do whatever you wanted with it.
So he's doing a scene. It's this cheesy movie.

Speaker 1 And he's supposed to come in and kind of ask for forgiveness for this girlfriend or something like that. And he goes, I'm going to do Daniel Day Lewis from

Speaker 1 my father in this take. So he comes, all of a sudden he comes out screaming, falls to his knees, why, why, why?

Speaker 1 and i was like you can do that i mean he's a

Speaker 2 he's a unicorn i mean there's no rules with him there's no rules with him and and to have that kind of courage in inside the that that those spaces is it's it's to be marveled at you know yeah he's so i got something when was tom cruise in or any of your early movies did you uh did you know he was going to be a big deal uh we knew yeah pretty soon because when chris uh sean's younger brother Chris Penn, dropped out of high school and bum rushed that set of taps on the other side of the country,

Speaker 2 he came back talking about this guy named Tom Cruise.

Speaker 2 In my mind, I added a Z and I thought he was Latin. I thought he was a Mexican or a Spaniard or something, right?

Speaker 2 And then when I met him, I was like, oh, you're... from Oklahoma.
And then he smiles and then you start to engage his personality and his intellect.

Speaker 2 And you're like, yeah, this guy, this is, there's something going on here for sure.

Speaker 2 But Emilio and he became really tight because they, um, they were auditioning for the outsiders at the same time and helping each other prepare for their auditions, you know, and then they both got it, the different roles.

Speaker 2 And they've, they've, they've been great friends ever since. So I was, you know, I was younger than them.
So I was kind of like tagging along.

Speaker 2 But anytime I've, you know, seen Tom over the years, wherever, he's awesome.

Speaker 1 You know. Well, it's just become

Speaker 1 these last few years, it's like you sort of just stand back in awe, you know, because I'm basically a baby.

Speaker 1 You know, I may be hung from a wire once, but you know, he's hanging on to airplanes, and I know like I'm strapped down. He's holding his breath for six minutes.
I mean, you can't even,

Speaker 1 what the fuck? So you have to see the movie. What the fuck? Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But do you think at some point

Speaker 2 he's going to want to get back to like a magnolia?

Speaker 1 Right. Right.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. right which was a work of art and he was spectacular in that yeah what you gotta respect the cock i'm sorry was that it was that was it that's it yeah

Speaker 1 yeah he said it better than i did but yeah um

Speaker 1 he's a force of nature it's funny because sandler has the ability to go from a paul thomas anderson movie to a big broad happy go more and he goes back noah bomb back then he goes back to a broad and i think tom obviously can do anything he wants but you're right.

Speaker 1 These are important. But Mission Impossible, the Top Gun, it's huge, huge blockbusters.
But would he want to go small again? Would he want to go, he could get an Oscar. He's great.

Speaker 1 I think if Christopher Nolan called him or somebody like that, he might get his attention. I think so.

Speaker 2 I think so. I mean, he does want to make movies that fill theaters and give people

Speaker 2 that experience that connects them back to their childhood.

Speaker 1 He's the savior of that.

Speaker 1 I think he's made himself the guy, the spokesman. He and the filmmakers know this, but it was in Roman Holiday a long time ago.
But basically, non-verbal with music.

Speaker 1 So the end of Top Gun, you have a six-minute montage

Speaker 1 of the end of the movie, of people tearing up, no real dialogue and saluting. And we were alive and we did this.
And I've seen other films do that, F1 and

Speaker 1 where there's this silent. movie added onto the movie and it's very affecting.
You know, that three or four minutes where you're seeing them in tears looking at each other.

Speaker 1 And it's all a lot of the blockbusters are using that now. So it's just kind of interesting to me.

Speaker 1 But Top Gun really got me emotionally because, you know, I hear Hans Zimmerman, I hear just the music. I'm kind of, it gets me emotional.

Speaker 1 And then you see Tom Cruise is really good at hugging someone, coming back. He's got this look and the teary eyes and it gets you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He insists that

Speaker 2 we experience that moment with him.

Speaker 1 Right. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now, is that the first hop gun that you're referring to? Or is that the one?

Speaker 1 The second, second one.

Speaker 1 Got it. Got it.
Okay. Yeah.
Which came out of nowhere and was an in-movie theater big hit when the industry really needed it, obviously. But

Speaker 2 they tried to stream it, didn't they?

Speaker 1 Whoa,

Speaker 1 not on his watch.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Stuck to his young gun. Speaking of that, in 1988.

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Speaker 1 Right? I mean,

Speaker 1 that would have been

Speaker 1 a disaster, you know?

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We needed to get you like honed down into that zone.

Speaker 1 I'm so glad you just heard that. Like you heard me.
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Speaker 1 I hear what you're saying. Yeah, exactly.
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I'm a listener. You hear, but you don't listen.
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Speaker 1 Shit, I think we're out of time, Dana. I think we got it.

Speaker 1 I think we had a wrap with Charlie Sheen. Any wrap-up questions for this guy?

Speaker 1 Not really. I think the book is the book of Sheen, the documentary.
I mean, we, you know, we consciously, we talked about it. We didn't want to,

Speaker 1 we know you've done a lot of press. We wanted to make this lighter and more fun and wanted to pick your brain about relationships with your dad or whoever.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 this has been incredibly refreshing.

Speaker 1 Good. That's what we wanted.
Thank you. And

Speaker 2 if I'd like to believe that I get invited back,

Speaker 2 that'd be amazing. And then we can do it like and be in the same room.
Are you feeling okay with the thing that happened?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm totally.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Just want to get

Speaker 1 didn't want to give you anything, but yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 And thank you.

Speaker 2 I appreciate that. But I do have a question for David.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there was a weird moment during the fight, right? And as soon as, like, I'm, you know, and Michael Ehrman's, he's a lovely man.

Speaker 2 He's just

Speaker 2 beautifully all over the place, but what a good dude. But

Speaker 2 when I look over and I see

Speaker 2 Dave's name on the chair next to me, I was like, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 I'm going to have some backup, reinforcements.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I thought that, right?

Speaker 2 So he sits down and I'm like, did they plan this? Knowing that this was already scheduled, right?

Speaker 2 So they finally cut the chairs apart. Everybody's having a great time.
And I look up and I see this giant rig, like where they had speakers and the lights.

Speaker 2 It weighs like, you know, four

Speaker 2 hundred thousand tons. Right.

Speaker 2 And I said to Dave, I said, if that, if that breaks loose, we're clearly in the crush zone, right?

Speaker 2 And I said, are you cool if I'm the last guy like on this planet that you interact with?

Speaker 2 And he took a beat.

Speaker 1 He took a beat and

Speaker 2 said something to the effect of, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 I think I'm okay with that. And I said, good, because I'm okay with it being you too, you know?

Speaker 1 And so we really bonded there.

Speaker 2 I felt like we bonded there, man. And clearly it didn't fall, but is that?

Speaker 1 No, but I like that you put that in my head.

Speaker 1 I think I was taking a beat because I was thinking, what are the, does he know something I don't? Is this going to fall?

Speaker 1 And then Marshawn Lynch sat in front of me and blocked 110% of the fight. Oh my gosh.
His name is this big. I go, wow.
Wait, is the fight over?

Speaker 1 I go to watch on the screen now.

Speaker 1 I do that all the time. Can this fall? Or is this? Also, Dana,

Speaker 1 they show Michael J. Fox on the screen and I go, for no reason, you can tell he's still mad at you, Charlie.
That was funny. That was funny.
Yeah. Based on nothing.
That was excellent. That was funny.

Speaker 1 It was fun to be at the fight with Charlie. I was like laughing because I want you.
Do you mind doing Michael J. Fox Casualties of War just for Charlie? Oh, me?

Speaker 1 If you don't mind,

Speaker 1 remember that movie, Charlie? I do.

Speaker 1 I love Michael J. Fox.
And Sean Penn is grabbing this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's like, hey, Sarge, hey,

Speaker 1 you got to give me a minute on this here, Sarge.

Speaker 1 Ah, Christ. She's just a farm girl, Sarge.
What are we doing here? Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 It gets me

Speaker 1 every time. I'm such an obscure, specific impression.
Michael J. Fox in that movie, I was like, and Clarky was John C.

Speaker 1 Riley, and Sean Penn's like, fucking Clarky, throw her down and take her clothes off. I'm like, hey, we got to get these VC gooks.
These VC gook whore. I'm like, what is this movie?

Speaker 1 I thought it was a fun comedy because it was Michael J. Fox.

Speaker 1 I'm like, this movie took a dark turn and never turned back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're just, whatever. That's a funny thing.

Speaker 2 Sean was hard on him during that film, wasn't he?

Speaker 1 Oh, on Michael J. Fox from method acting and whatever.
Yeah, I had heard about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Apparently, he was just, you know, none of the, didn't, didn't want to.

Speaker 1 Because he's like, you're a sitcom guy, kind of.

Speaker 2 Maybe that, but also just the character.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, just a staggy character.

Speaker 2 Yeah, resentment, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The alpha, alpha.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Do you know? I've only, I've only worked with Sean on Two and a Half Men.
I've only

Speaker 2 worked Sean

Speaker 2 in a comedic setting. He was brilliant.

Speaker 2 It was our first episode, second season, and he's in a men's group and it was elvis costello and harri stanton and me and bobby cooper it was awesome um but isn't that a trip that the first time he and i yeah i thought you had done i thought he was one of your old movies no just the stuff you see in the dock where he

Speaker 2 shoots me in my own backyard and then stuffs me in the refrigerator for a millio to discover later on it was nuts you know Yeah, he's growing up.

Speaker 1 He can be very funny, though. I think he went on Friends was very funny.
Such an interesting character. SNL and he did the read-through, I go, wow, this guy's talented.
Yeah, he's terrible.

Speaker 1 Oh, right on. Right on.

Speaker 1 Charlie, we'll do it again, and we'll do it. We got more to talk to you about because you have to do it.
We'll just do it in person.

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