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Okay, we got one of the SNL greats, Amy Poehler,

who has her own podcast on now.

And so we were going to give everyone a chance to listen to this one again.

Great, hilarious Amy.

Everybody knows her.

Everybody loves loves her.

She has some fantastic stories, of course, about SNL, among other ones.

About Christopher Walkin, who we all crack up about.

She's just Amy Poehler.

I mean, she's so charming and fun and funny and really one of those came during that age when women cast members kind of took over SNL along with Tina, with Maya.

Tina, and then Wiggin and Kate and everybody.

And we're going to Rachel Dratch.

But anyway, Amy is a gem and is so much fun to talk to.

I would listen to this if I were you.

And she didn't come on for a long time.

We were so excited to finally get her and it turned out to be such a good one.

So here it is for you to listen to Amy Poehler.

I love your glasses.

Aw, look at those are cool, yeah.

They're kind of 60s or something, something hip.

Yeah, I get them off at Amazon.

Mm-hmm.

Because now I got to use

my readers, readers, my cheaters.

Got your cheaters.

Give me them cheaters.

Look at Dana.

Watch him go.

Whoa.

Would this change the vibe of the interview?

It makes you feel more like conservative, like you're going to drop some politics.

Really?

Sunglasses?

Yeah.

Interesting.

Would you agree, David?

Yeah,

I think there's a vibe.

Are you guys forming an alliance?

Yeah, we are.

It's a little early, but I get it.

You overlapped.

Did you overlapp?

i wish no i mean but david hosted oh yeah that's right wait can we we can talk about snl right yeah yeah because we're not it's already been on um but amy did a funny one i just thought of this amy

oh you and my stunt double yes we did a sketch where i played david's stunt double because we could probably be brother and sister like we have similar features So I played your stunt double.

And then that's all I remember of the premise.

No, I think it was someone played the rock and I was like the rock's buddy in a buddy comedy.

And then when we got to like climbing on a building, they brought in Chris and I think Chris and that was you, which I thought would be a boy.

And it was you.

And you're like, hey, we're going to do this.

We're all good.

And I'm like, and Seth, I think, was the director.

I'm just remembering as I go and I'm like, hey, is it?

Is it weird that I, you know, I'm a guy and it's, and he's like, no, it's all equal and it's just stunt people.

And I'm like, right.

And I'm not loving it.

And then when she gets on, she goes, Oh, no, rock.

It's so scary.

I'm like, I don't think she should talk if she's.

You just keep, you keep like crying and acting like you're me.

And I'm like, that's not what I'd say.

And no one has any problem with it.

Nope.

And I think when I, when I put on that wig, and I think we looked a lot, it was pretty close.

Yeah,

I'm going to say, yeah, Dana, you blew it.

You missed that.

British, Irish, Scandinavian, German,

French, French,

British, Irish, all the way.

Mostly Irish.

Mostly Irish.

My brother lives in Sweden, so sometimes people assume there's some Scandinavian, but no, none that we can find.

Lots of Norway, lots of Scottish, and lots of Irish.

I'm British, American, and Southwest.

I'm airlines.

Have you guys done the have you done the 23andB?

Have you done any of that stuff?

Terrified.

uh my son did and he had a disproportionate amount of neandrethal so i don't know why maybe that ex maybe that explains something i don't know well it's not he's half neandrethal and um my wife's half dutch there was no dutch no no his grandfather was 100 dutch and there's no dutch and a lot of caveman anyway welcome we're this is we're going to do this for the rest of the podcast it's about genealogy today.

By the way, love your podcast.

I've listened to almost every episode.

You know, probably every single person on the podcast.

That's crazy.

So great that I'm getting a chance to do it.

I'm so grateful.

You made my day.

I love it.

And, you know, we all, we, SNL, like you've said many times, is kind of the,

it's like you were in very specific, like special forces, and you all just want to kind of share stories about the nightmares that you continue to have about 20 years ago.

It's all poor, poor, rich people.

It is funny.

We're like special ops.

We say war, and then people say, don't say that.

So we change it.

I know.

You're right.

I should say.

We changed it to SWAT team.

I said it once here.

It's like the Marine.

And I backed off of it.

In 10 seconds, I said, please don't write me any letters because it's fun to say that.

I did not mean to equivocate it in that way.

I would just say if someone...

is unknown, maybe in an improv group like yourself, and is suddenly on national TV, And then we all, as an audience, we,

oh, what's her name?

Amy Poehler.

Oh, she's getting really good.

It's like a reality show.

Oh, she's really confident.

Now she's right.

Lots of opinions.

Yeah.

Lots of opinions.

Yeah.

Message boards.

Like I started when message boards came out.

So it wasn't,

it wasn't, there wasn't any Twitter or anything yet, but it was these message boards that used to spring up like the next day.

And so I started around 2001, TiVo.

Remember TiVo?

TiVo came into play.

So it was like, ooh, I could fast forward SNL for the first time.

Like that was.

What a game.

What a million-dollar idea.

I'm not so sure that's a good thing, Amy.

I talked to TiVo.

I would rather have them to like watch the show as opposed to

they'll go for a pause, but that's you record it and then you've never, you like never really watch it.

everyone has a lauren you might as well do your 10 seconds of lauren because you have to have a lauren oh my god i love i love it my laurene is not great but yes it's very there is no there's no target

um

um my laurene is a little more paternal which is like when he comes on the floor right before a sketch and goes like Do you like these wine glasses?

Does this table look right for you?

And you're just so nervous, you're about to do a sketch in a restaurant.

You're like, what?

Are you happy with the wine glasses?

Okay, okay.

You're like, you mean on the table in the sketch?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're like, five, four.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

My first season, I don't know if he did that later.

It was a glass of Chardonnay and he would be outside because then he went under the bleachers.

Well, that was for the dress show mostly, but during the live show, you're so fucking terrified.

And Lawrence Wine Row with a glass of wine, acting so like there's not a live TV show going on.

It was just amazing to watch him try to, by osmosis, calm us down.

I guess, you know, I'm it's really oh, sorry, go ahead.

Saying, I'm waiting to get pushed out on update in that chair, I'm in the dark.

And he's like, Do you know who's winning the Yankees?

I'm like, right now, I don't know.

I gotta, I have to look at the cards.

It's a mind trick, the non-second order to distract you from the chair turns, and there's 10 million people watching you.

Go ahead, Amy.

No, I was going to say, when you guys talk about your experiences at the show, too, on your, on this podcast, it kind of feels like the before times, because my first show was two weeks after 9-11.

So, for like the first three years or so at the show,

you know, the Chardonnay was gone.

It was very much like serious business to keep comedy afloat.

You know, it was very like, will we ever laugh again and how can we do comedy and you know new york is under attack and it was all this like how do we make fun of politics like it was just this like slow

build back to get to palin and hillary by the end of that run but it took so long

to even you know so i can just remember starting that job and being like, my dream job, I was 30 years old.

I started.

I was like, here we go.

And then

then all that happened and was like will we ever laugh again that was basically the headline it's

like and it was like could we though just a little bit because i'm because i'm here now

yeah you know it was it was intense yeah i i i've been dreaming and working toward this for my whole life could i do something funny how could you do such a stupid sketch when what's going on in the world and you're like oh well this is the idea is to get away from but it went on to your point it went on for a long time of the idea when will the next attack come and where it really are.

It wasn't an awesome,

so there was a really anxious period.

I don't know when it on, finally, we kind of, I guess, 2004.

It felt like 2003, 2004, but don't forget, you know, there was like anthrax in the building when we were there.

It was like, you know, it was wild.

But I think it felt around

2000.

I had one year of overlap with Will Farrell, and he did a sketch.

I guess it must have been 2001, 2002, like about a guy who was really patriotic and he was wearing like

in the hot tub.

He was, he was wearing a speedo.

He's going to work, I think, Dane.

I think it was Matt Piedmont might have written.

Yeah, I think you're right.

And he wears it.

He's very patriotic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was a big one.

It's very Will, the way he wore the Speedo, the way he splayed his legs.

I mean, he is, he's brave or whatever you want to call it.

He's just out there.

But so that was what really broke the seal a little bit.

Yeah.

And he had, you know, we had stopped doing any Bush stuff.

Any,

we didn't do any politics during that time.

Interesting.

But that was like a big, a big, silly, stupid, you know, guy in a speedo sketch.

And the audience really loved it.

And you were like, okay, maybe.

Maybe this is going to be okay.

Maybe, so, but we did a bunch of dumb pop culture stuff because, you know, it was like Britney Spears, Snake Trainer, was like a character I was trying to get on because,

because

no one wanted to talk about news, politics.

So it wasn't, it was weird.

But I kind of appreciate the big, silly ones more even later on.

Big, dumb, whatever word you want to apply to them.

Broad really just balls out funny where you get sort of, you want to get that I Love Lucy kind of roll of a laugh.

If you, you know, I got it with the dog on, it wasn't me, it was that sketch, Massive Headmoon Harry, just unleashed a whole I Love Lucy type of laughter because I was fighting with a dog over a fake head, fake brains.

But it seems like, you know, just as an overview here for a second, you came on the scene and then by the time you left, you were just as good as anyone had ever done that show.

I mean, you, I believe, and I say this to people with all sincerity.

I mean, like the thing you did with Maya, the Long Island ladies,

you were both brilliant and you were just so in the pocket of that character rhythmically.

Like I watched the immersion of that.

It was, oh, it was just beautiful to watch that sketch.

I mean, oh, thanks, Dana.

That means a lot.

That sketch, that felt like we could have only done it when we were like seniors.

Like we were, we were relaxed enough to do it.

We wrote that with Emily Spivey, the great Emily Spivey.

Yeah, we hear about her a lot.

Yeah, you should have her on this.

She would be an incredible guest.

And yeah, we improvised a lot of that.

Like, it was just a lot of overlappy.

The cards were kind of loose, and we kind of knew what we were going to say, but not really.

And I don't think we would have been able to do that in the first couple of years.

I know I wouldn't have.

I would have been too results.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

That I find that a lot.

There's maybe Eddie Murphy, the most extreme the other way, like as confident in day one, apparently.

And then there's people who have a pretty quick run-up, but then some people just goes and goes.

And then the audience discovers you.

And then it's, you know, could you, I mean, I don't, you don't have to do that character for five seconds, but if you, what would she say to David and I right now?

I mean, well, like, she's, you know, it's a very important time because it's sweater weather.

Like, sweater weather is coming.

It's very, very, very, she's going, she's having a lot of hot flashes and she enjoys the nip in the air.

But we, we base those two ladies, we base those ladies off of ladies that were in really one woman who was in the hair department, Jodi Mancuso, who was running the hair department.

She was like Long Island, like, uh, or Staten Island.

I forget.

Sorry, Jodi, if I forget.

And she had like, she was very like, and like gave it to you straight and just like, come sit, talk, let's talk.

Like, she just had this chatty, fun energy that was kind of flirty, very maternal.

And Maya and I used to just talk with her like that and talk like her.

And mine was a, my lady had a little bit just because I'm not particularly great with accents, my lady probably fell into like a little Boston at times, just because that's my hometown.

But so we played Betty and Jodi and they were just, it was almost like those women that happened to have a TV show, but they weren't, they were just chatting anyway.

So we had a lot of fun where we would just, the camera would just come up on us and we were already in conversation and the camera would pull away and we were still talking.

So that was the kind of vibe.

It was, it was

being a wasp from California.

And then when I started going to New York and meeting characters in new york and they were recognizable in that sense of come sit have coffee

please how are you it's very it's warm it's extraveter everything is out in the open i feel spilkus i this and that but you guys just nailed it beautifully i don't know it's just i see i just saw it on instagram amy like you know how they pull up old sketches they just they start traveling around because it is sweater weather so

I saw

I saw clips of that and it's kind of fun when things live on or they they make a meme or something pops out.

Oh, it's the best.

It's so cool.

And then you go, oh, something mattered.

Something I did in the old days.

Call me somewhere.

Totally.

People ask me this sometimes, like, what kind of compliments do you like to get?

And I always say specific ones.

You know, I like that line and that thing.

And so when you're out and about in the world,

just what do people come up and say to you?

Maybe they talk about some of your movies or certain sketches or.

It's funny.

You know, you can kind of tell like the millennials love parks and rec like that was their show

um

and that's a show that like a lot of teenagers discovered during the pandemic so there's a lot of millennial and gen z love for parks and rec the gen xers and above know me more from snl

um

or you know more like movie or like hosting stuff um Golden Globes.

Yeah, like they kind of know that more, I think, but or like maybe they saw Mean Girls 25 years ago or something.

But

it kind of feels like I get a lot of nice women.

That's like my demo is nice.

You know, Tina and I are on tour right now and we're having a blast.

And like we, it's just like the nicest women in the audience and just

coming with their friends or their daughters, you know.

So I get a lot of just like friendly women.

So I'm lucky that I don't get, you know, occasionally and I get, and I get mistaken all the time for other women, whether it's Tina or Drach or

like I, you know, they kind of mush us all together, which is, which is fine with me.

But that happens sometimes too, but it's okay.

Well, my wife is not a comedy fanatic or anything, but she,

I told her that you and Tina were doing a show.

And she goes, oh, I would see that show.

Yeah.

We're doing that show for your wife.

I think that, well, she's a nice woman.

I go back to that.

But so

it's, you know, the Golden Globes kind of cemented it.

And we all, we saw you do an update, you know, this Tina, and you guys have this connection.

I'm assuming really, truly, really good friends and have the chemistry of Steve Martin and Martin Short.

And so seeing that is like, well, this is going to be fun.

Because when I think of you too, even though you did satirical jokes on Golden Globes, it was still always fun.

Yeah.

Just, I think that's a good brand to have.

You're going to have fun.

It's underrated.

I think you're right.

I think I don't know.

I am in no way an expert in hosting things, but one thing I did learn really quick was from SNL too, like if you don't look like you're relaxed or having fun, the audience gets very stressed.

Yeah, they're worried about it.

When I see hosts and they're either nervous or

stressed or even like come in.

angry like i don't know why i'm here like that kind of thing it's like oh no I get so stressed because you are hosting a party.

You're supposed to look like you're having fun.

Like it's a party.

Like, who cares?

It's an award show.

Who cares?

You, you, Maya.

It was it, you, Maya, and Tina.

Was that at the Academy Awards?

We didn't host it.

We just like opened it because I think that was a good trick of like less pressure.

They're not the host, but you're on longer than you should be.

And you're just joke machine.

And then everyone's like, fuck, where are these?

Why aren't they here the whole time?

It's so great.

Yeah.

You don't have a month of lead up.

Like, what are you going to do?

What's so funny?

Because, you know, those hosting gigs are a lot of work.

They're hard.

There are a lot of jokes to write and get through.

And then also,

you can get, you can,

you know, now they're like, they're kind of, you can fall into traps and you can, people can get mad.

Yeah.

And so you're like, oh my God, forget it.

Then someone always has a problem with it, no matter what.

I know.

It's okay.

It's like when Billy Bob Thornton got his Emmy, I think he goes,

I'm not going to say anything because you can get in trouble.

I'm substituting Bill Clinton as Billy Bob Thornton.

I apologize.

I'm not going to say anything because you can get in trouble for saying something these days.

He just walked off, you know.

But to the fun part, you might find this funny in a way, because John Lovitz, I was the one who kept saying, John, you got to do stand-ups.

So I was kind of, I'm no expert, but I'm coaching him a little bit.

And I go, John.

The one thing you always have to remember right before you go out, because you can forget, just say to yourself, have fun and he goes i did it i tried it and then i started having more fun and then i was getting bigger laughs you know

so it's it's an amazing thing but sometimes you go what is going on i'm not having fun what i for i forgot to have fun it's the hardest i think it's actually like the last piece it's the hardest piece to learn because you're pushing or you're nervous or your head's somewhere else and then it yeah and then when you actually relax the audience just relaxes with you you.

I mean, I learned a lot from Will Farrell that way.

And because I would watch him perform and he had this like mischievous quality where he, him and the audience were in on it together.

You know, it was kind of like this, this bemused quality of like, can you believe we're all here doing this stupid thing?

And

it would,

you know, it just like the minute they see you sweat,

it gets so stress-free.

They tighten up.

because this goes to therapy or something but try not to try try not to push try not to be desperate try not to rush it um take your time but be in the pocket and of course when that voice goes silent then you know you and tina are just on a roll well what do you guys do when you let's this rarely probably happens for you anymore but like let's say you're trying new material and it's not working

what do you do do you pull back do you pull back in that moment or do you put like do you push because i'll tell you that what i have to work on is pulling back too hard and like getting sleepy

your joke isn't working and you go to sleep i go to sleep i go right to sleep you you recoil

you know it's funny when i when something doesn't work there's I had it happen on the road recently where the whole show is going well and one joke doesn't click and I go, I had to stop and go, literally, no one bought that, not one person, and it wasn't a couple of you.

Everyone said no sale.

And I feel like you're wrong on this one.

And I'm going to get, I give you one freebie.

Yeah.

And then they don't know what to make of that.

They're like, what?

Well, you're mad at us.

But it's like joke, mad.

But when something doesn't work in a regular set, or if you're doing a set on TV, what happens to me is you get spooked like a horse because my brain goes, What happened?

And I can't think of my next joke because I'm, it's preoccupied with what do I do?

Why?

Wait, should I even do the next one?

Why, what did it just did?

I say it wrong.

And then you're like, that throws you.

If you take one extra second, they think something's up.

It's got to be just so smooth, like a play.

Boom, boom, boom.

I know.

I have a bit in my act.

I won't even say the bit, but whatever.

It's sort of like two-thirds of the way, like you're trying to bring it to the barn, you know.

And the last two times

not landing.

And I know Jerry Seinfeld, who's this Fengali about this, check the setup, you know.

The setup is,

you know, I did this for Steve and Marvin.

Jerry's going to do a live album on vinyl, and it's going to, you're going to see a picture of him on the cover, and it's called Paper Clips.

Why?

Just like that joke.

Jerry, we love him.

He's brilliant.

But

I think sometimes you, when you first say it in a joke, and you're kind of connected to it or a bit, and then you can get a little bored and you maybe drop just even part of the setup or stuff like that.

Because you're doing, are you actually out there solo in your show with Tina as well?

Yeah, we do some sketch.

We do stand-up.

We do

update stuff together.

We do update.

We do.

Yeah.

Really?

Oh, great.

So, what's your first line?

Ladies and gentlemen, here to do some stand-up for our show is Amy Poehler.

No way.

I'm not doing.

Are you out of your mind?

I am not doing.

I thought your first line would be,

you'd say, what, you'd say, what's up?

And then the name of the town, what's up, Chicago?

What's up, Denver?

Yeah.

That's a good first line.

Here's my opener.

I'd be, I'd go like this.

Hey, guys, Tina will be out in a minute.

Just because I'm like, oh, my God, it's funny that you say that.

I'm like, I'm going to do a little stand-up while Tina gets her IV drip.

I think we're, Dane and I were talking before we brought you on because we're both on the road here and there.

And there's so many things about the road that are so tricky and icy that, you know, it is true something about like

the show is the fun part, obviously.

And it's so hard just to get to their city.

You just want to get high five.

Like, I got here.

I'm in the theater.

Get in the hotel.

I don't, I feel like shit, but here I go.

Let's do this.

Because you almost never feel great.

And you're almost never like, well, that was easy.

It's like like this is problem problem and then the hotel and getting there and what's backstate there's so many interesting questions uh we were thinking of with you guys when do you go on oh i i know it's so fun because you're right every different theater and space has like a vibe and it has like the guy that's in charge like the one that character yeah there's always the character it's like oh i can't answer that you have to talk to dan about that and you're like okay where's dan like it's always dan's always around dan doesn't come in dan

dan zooms in from home

my guy's usually named dan as well i don't know if he travels a lot do you do a sound check we do we do we have to have a lot of you have stuff going on

you got a montage of greatest hits or whatever and you've got whatever you have a piano player and stuff like that or no we have some recorded music stuff but we don't have a live yeah and you sing together live piano player but it's what's that do you sing a song together maybe

you have a good voice dana Have you heard her sing in the beginning of the podcast?

Tonight before I go to sleep, I'm going to try to figure out what can't Amy pull.

Yeah.

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What do you do to relax your giant brain?

Well, I really like the water.

Like that calms me down.

A lot like swimming and

water,

ocean lake and swimming i like can you swim no i can't

but i mean i i i go to a hotel pool and i go freestyle and i go the length of the pool and i'm completely wiped out and that you know i'm like sprinting but i don't know it and it's there is a whole technique to it but you you've learned it right how to actually i think if i need to get regulated my nervous system water does help me whether even if it's a bath or just like getting in some water but before a show you know, I'm kind of used to, it's, it's funny.

When I would do shows as an improviser and like sketch comedian with stand-ups, I was always surprised that there wasn't a lot of chit chat.

You know, there was their stand-ups were just kind of trying, like walking around talking or with their headphones, like thinking about their set and really.

really and frankly trying to remember it, which is half the battle.

Very true.

And, and you, and with an improv and sketch, you know, it's like you want to just like keep doing bits up until you go on stage.

It's like you want to just like make a connection with the people you're performing with.

And so

I kind of tend to like want to just chit chat and talk and not overthink things.

Um,

but now that I'm older, like sometimes I just want to like do some like light stretch, light stretching, just some light stretching.

So I don't.

hold a hammy.

Oh, definitely.

You can't go high.

And then your arms like, oh, sorry.

You know, I I mean, I try to do a wide squat and make sure because I might get in that position or move around, stretch your calves.

Yeah.

Have you ever had any physical thing or cut yourself on stage?

Oh my God.

Yes.

I've just, well, I'm just getting over this thing.

I talk about it on stage.

I'm just getting over this thing, which is, it's just so embarrassing.

It sounds like a, it sounds like a, it sounds like a bad cocktail, but I had this thing this year called frozen shoulder.

Know all about it.

Yes.

I bet your wife,

like, was it your wife that went through it?

No, no, it was our mutual manager, I think.

Okay.

Had a frozen shoulder.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It feels.

What does it do?

It's the weirdest thing.

It comes out of nowhere.

And it's like, from my anecdotally, I find it's mostly women of my age, but it's just like inflammation.

And suddenly you just like can't lift your arm all the way up.

And so it's this, it just feels like you're like, you just feel really fucking old.

You just are like, oh, fucking hell.

What is this?

And it'll take about a year.

And you're just like, what?

A year?

And it's proven to be about a year.

So

it sucked.

And they're just making up names for old things.

Frozen shoulder sounds good.

And you're like, well, is it a real thing?

Or I'm just falling apart.

It's a real, real thing.

I was doing a podcast with David.

I never even said this before.

We're doing what we've done a few live.

And then my,

I think it was my left left foot, my toes splayed out in a spasm, and we're, and we're, I was in massive pain, but I just was riding it out, just riding it out.

We're interviewing someone, spade, take it.

And I'm like, well, that doesn't happen to me all the time.

They just, the toes went out and got really angry.

As soon as it was over, I just walked around.

It was fine, but we have to, we're supposed to do all this freaking stuff all day long, pulling and stretching and Pilates, all this stuff to keep us together.

You know, so I did, I know, and I was so much younger when I was on SNL.

And I think about how much I just

partied and just walked, like, I didn't do, I didn't worry about any of it, I just wasn't even thinking about any of it.

I wasn't thinking about collagen, I wasn't thinking about

water, nothing

nope, wasn't even thinking about water.

Did we know?

Did we?

I know, I look at you see, picture yourself because you're in showbish and go, damn, I've,

I

did I know how cute I was

did we know how young we were?

It just is it always it on young who said that cold porter I don't know I didn't have a glass of water during SNL I was there six years you never that just wasn't the thing that everyone I didn't know what carbs were I ate fucking pasta every day

Wally and Josephs I ate pizza and I always felt shitty I never put anything together I'm like what is it?

What is it?

I don't have the Rubik's Cube to figure this out.

All I eat is carbs, no water, and Diet Coke.

And my body is so sore, Dami, when I, every day, it's like my shoulders going.

I open a car door.

They're like, what?

I'm like, I do this every day.

And it's like, oh, what are you doing?

Like, it's, it forgets overnight.

I'm doing basic things.

I know.

Well, you know what?

You know what has helped me with this?

And I know this is probably like people listening are like, oh my God, be quiet.

How old are you guys?

Yeah.

But you know what I've been doing?

Is I've been doing cold dips and they've changed, change

the game yes i do cold dips and it changed the game because that's a big deal now do you do it in a in a bathtub with ice in it you do it you take the or is it in a pool or a lake or where are you going i have a like i have a cold dip tub okay a cold dip tub okay like a tub that i keep cold so and i have a like a sauna uh little hot sauna uh so i do 15 minutes of the sauna and then i plunge in the cold dip and it helps a lot David.

Inflammation.

Yes.

I think you and Tina should do 10 minutes in a cold plunge doing update on stage.

Just bring out the ice.

That's a, I would love that.

I think our endorphins would be flying.

Sponsors.

Yeah.

I'm in an undisclosed location, but I have a pool for the first time in a long time

and don't heat it.

I like it as cold as I can get it now for that very reason.

Wake up.

You know, it's amazing if you get into a cold lake because i i always look at it as a lake that's really too warm how you really suffer for about 10 seconds but if you're moving all of a sudden you're like oh it's fine yeah that's the thing about getting older is like forced austerities like what can i do to myself that a doctor is not telling me to do but that i can do to torture myself like i have the privilege of cold dipping or like i only eat apples after 5 p.m and it's like why i was like just that's what i'm doing now like that

it just sounds it's gotta it's got to be good.

I know.

I'm trying something.

Yeah.

Well,

it's always nice.

You have to get a blood test and stuff and you're wondering, well, did they find something?

The doctor's talking to you.

Like, it's fine.

It's good.

Everything's okay.

So

my guy looks at my blood test.

I sit there and he goes, hmm.

Then he goes like this.

Don't love that.

You know, the worst thing?

The worst thing about you hear from a doctor is I went to a dentist because I had a tooth thing.

This is what we're going to talk about the rest of the talk.

true and the guy comes in and he actually said he actually said wow when he looked at my mouth

he said wow i said wow what do you mean wow wow what wow wow what

he said it like oh he said it like walking he said it like walking wow wow wow yeah three babies

whoa i just said someone were you in a walking family

I never saw that.

I just said to my friend, I go, look at this ridiculous.

Oh, you all were walking in a sketch, right?

Yes.

And that was so fun because, you know, I think I, I, um,

I benefited from low expectations.

I don't think anyone expected me to pull out a good walk-in, but I was playing a little kid, like a little girl

who was doing a walk-in.

And

I had had a friend who had told me a story about Christopher Walking.

And that, you know, he

went to, he was on set one time and he was like, you know, are there any ghosts here?

You know, this place is spooky he kept saying it's spooky

it was such a funny word to say so i got to say ghosts and spooky and that was yeah that was enough to did he care at all

he he was one of the most interesting hosts um

because he was really he's a really you know no surprise eccentric dude so he was really comfortable with silence so

you know most people when you're just waiting around to run the scene again, you're just sitting on the floor, like you chit chat.

Like, but he would want to just sit quietly

between each, you know.

So

he might have been the longest I've ever gone seated next to someone and not talking like five, six, seven minutes.

It would just be me and him and we wouldn't talk.

And it became like a contest in my own mind to see how long we could go.

And he was, he was fine with it he was fine with it he could everyone shut up yeah he was super super talented and very very i swear he's so interesting he's riveting the first sketch i don't know what it was i maybe church chat or something anyway the we were did it all we rehearsed it but on air he never looked at me he just looked straight at the cue cards and read it and it worked Yeah, and it was funnier, you know.

So I thought.

I heard, I heard a rumor that he takes out, I don't don't know if this is true, but that he takes out all the all the punctuation in his scripts.

Wouldn't surprise me because his rhythm is so specific that might get him out of his, get out of his rhythm.

Don't like to pause in ways like that.

I mean, John Lovitz, again, my friend John, he's the kind of guy who goes, is it you?

Are you making up that dialect?

Is that the way you really talk?

And he said, walk and just started laughing.

You're making it up, right?

Oh, that's funny.

Oh, that's funny.

Yeah, he seemed like he had a good sense of humor about himself.

Yeah, and who knows?

You know, there's certain actors who just extenuate their rhythms as they become film stars over the years, like Cal Pacino, when he feels like it.

Yeah.

And Walken, too, he was in that Woody Allen movie as the psycho driver.

It was in the set.

Yeah.

First time I saw it.

Yeah.

You know.

And he goes, sometimes I like to turn the car.

I think of turning into the headlights.

Yeah.

And he goes, well, I wouldn't wouldn't on this trip.

Maybe put a pin in that.

It's like a crazy.

Just when, as soon as you drop me off, you can indulge a piccadillos if you want to go into that and get some rhubarb and, you know, grind the.

But yeah, he's just one of the thrills of doing Saturday Night Live is just doing sketch comedy with someone like Chris for Walking.

And, you know, I'm.

Seeing him in the deer hunter.

I just feel like, you know, growing up in the 70s, like I just saw every movie way too young.

I was saw so many limited images you saw that at what oh oh i can't even imagine i think i was seven

god and it was like i learned about yeah i learned about vietnam i learned about prisoners of war i learned about um uh you know

rush and roulette i learned it all from christopher walking and it was like you know and then i went to first grade like that's i got it i'm heading to first grade guys i'm tired i was at the deer hunter last night that they were getting slapped in the face and Vietnamese.

I'm going to the exorcist.

And they're forced to play Rust and Roulette, and they would slap them and say, Mao!

And slap them.

And I don't know what that word meant in Vietnamese, but it's one of the most riveting, darkest scenes in film history.

I'm trying to think.

I saw the Reefers with Steve McQueen when I was I saw Bonnie and Clyde when I was like 11.

That's a little tamer.

A little tamer, but there was a sex scene.

It was a little, you know, so, but yeah, you've seen those 70s badass movies as a little girl we and you know i was the generation that got like hbo and mtv like in our house and no one was paying attention so suddenly you just there are movies on that you should not i should not have been watching it's just that yeah no one knows just the next movie on and and everyone's gone you're like oh what's this oh uh the omen yep the omen let's see what this is about this might be fun

Hopefully, I hope you both didn't see this movie because it stayed with me and disturbed me very much.

And I think it's Dustin Hoffman.

I know it's Dustin Hoffman.

It's the first straw dogs.

Look it up, kids.

I don't even want to talk about it.

Fucking Lovett sent me that the other day.

Is that crazy?

He sent me a preview.

Watch this movie.

Straw Dogs with Dustin Hoffman?

Yes.

Is that really, but it is dark.

Well, I was just watching Midnight Cowboy the other day.

They had a showing of it in New York.

And I was like, oh, I love Midnight Cowboy.

I love Dustin Hoffman and that.

And I love John Boyd.

And then I'm like, oh my God, I forgot this giant, horrible,

you know, assault scene.

There's so many, you know, there's so much assault in that movie, like flashbacks of what happens to John Voyd's character and his girlfriend.

And I was like, I forget with 70s movies, you'd just be cruising along, and then there'd be like a really violent scene that you're just, oh no.

And when now I'm the mother of teenagers, and I'm like, oh, you should watch this movie.

And then there's just this scene that's always, oh, I forgot this scene was in this movie it's brutal i even got i got scared at tommy uh dana i was young and my brother took me oh and and the gypsy acid queen and then they she threw like acid in the guy's face so there's fire at the beginning and it burned his face and i was like and i go i have a stomachache and i went to the lobby and then i never came back

because i got scared they go what's up i go no i'm fine i just have some stuff to do out here

literally nothing to do what's the first have you showed a movie to your kids where it blew their mind?

It was kind of satisfying.

Because at one point, I don't remember how old they were, this is my example.

I put on jaws for them.

And maybe they were sort of 12, 14, whatever.

Okay, see you later, kids.

So I come back 10 minutes later, and they're not moving.

They're just staring.

Whoa.

They just hit them at the right, you know, like, oh man, this is amazing.

So, yeah, that was my,

I mean,

I have two boys.

They really like a lot of sci-fi,

you know,

action adventure stuff.

But they, I remember when they were really young, I, Willy Wonka was the first one that I was like, I think you're going to love this.

And they loved it.

And I felt really,

and as far as comedy, like it, it, you know, what

you don't love what your mom likes.

Like your mom is lame.

Like you don't want to like what your mom likes.

But so

I almost had to let them discover SNL on their own.

And they're at the age now, they're 13 and 15, where they're at that age where they're like, I wonder what SNL is going to do about this.

Like that's what, you know, and, you know, definitely their favorite anchors are Joast and Che.

And

they, of course, and they just don't want to watch, they barely want to watch stuff I'm in.

It's like, it's embarrassing.

Like, it's their mom.

Like, right.

Do they want to watch their mom on TV?

Have you recommended comedies that they give the thumbs down, like that you grew up with?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

There's been so many things where I'm like, that's funny.

Now that is, you should watch that.

That's funny.

Oh, that's funny.

Mom, you got to check this out.

This is really funny, mom.

Yeah.

And I'm always like, turn that off.

That, that guy is you.

But I remember The Simpsons was a first crossover where we could all watch it and they were kind of learning how to structure a joke.

And they, and, you know, I was laughing too.

But

yeah, it's always that, that group on SNL, for example, when you're 12 or 13.

And, you know, not to make you feel old, Dana, but that was you for me.

Me too, me too.

I don't yeah.

I feel terrific.

I'm the youngest I've ever been at this particular age.

Your toes are not spasming at all.

Everything is fine.

No, no, nothing is spasm during.

And if they were spasming, I would cover for it.

I would just get kind of quiet on the Zoom.

He'd be like slunk down a little bit.

I'd be like, in the frame, come like this.

And Amy would go to herself, is he spasming right now?

Yeah.

Is he

no, I feel good.

I do a lot of countermeasures for aging.

I hydrate a lot.

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You know, Dana, sometimes I think, you know, because we all write and we all write comedy and write this and whatever.

And sometimes, not just obviously comedies, but I'll watch a show and I'll be like, this is so fucking complicated.

I am not even in the same genre.

I'm not a writer because the fact they have so many levels to these things.

And I go, what is this dog shit I write?

Why am I called a writer?

This is ridiculous.

I shouldn't even be in the guild.

Well, we just do bite-sized silly stuff.

We know it's goofy.

We don't.

Comedians don't really get awards.

They generally don't win Oscars.

And we have the American Comedy Awards anymore.

Oh, but you know what?

You guys will be the right people to talk, the right people to talk to you about this.

What irritates me so much, though, is that once a year, at least, there is like someone that we would all consider genuinely funny who gives a performance that's really good, you know, good acting performance.

And people are always like, wow.

And I'm like, are you, do you like, I think acting

and comedy are so combined.

They're so close.

You know, like you have one must be a good actor to sell a bit, tell a joke, to like, there's, I'm just, I'm always surprised that people are surprised that funny people can be good actors.

You know, so rarely are good actors funny, but

funny people are often very good actors.

And I always think it's just, I think it, I don't think they get, I don't think people get, I don't think funny people get.

It's such a rare commodity, but if we were, if comedy was outlawed, I would love to do drama or do, do kind of realistic acting, but it's, this is what I do best.

I guess it's just a rare, rare thing.

And good comedy performances don't really get the old Oscars and stuff.

You see like somebody, not saying us just saying other people that are great at it and they do a great performance it's not even considered no it's crazy there's a reason they say well who said this dying is easy comedy is hard I know that was like from the vaudeville or something

that's why I'm jealous of musicians because when musicians have to play an event they just get up there and they play their song like they play the song everybody wants that they they play the same song over and over again that everybody wants them to play.

And when you're, when you're going up there trying to do something funny, people are like, give us something new.

We don't want to hear your usual stuff.

Yeah.

I'm like, how about this?

It's old.

You can't repeat your bits and then you have to create rapport and ew, it sucks.

I always want to plug in a guitar and, oh my God.

After every line, you're judged.

If they don't laugh.

Even people that aren't listening are like, I guess it's not going well.

But with musicians, here it is.

Applause.

Here's the next next one applause but there's no like

i guess we did good they yell out for you or do you get yell out for you david or just do they yell out your hits or they or they yell stuff i get sort of a sometimes a rowdier crowd uh

i mean uh tina whatcha amy uh dane and i have done corporates have you and tina ever done a corporate oh yeah i used to do a yes yes and there

I mean, and I used to, I used to do a lot of, we used to do a lot of corporate stuff for Second City back in the day.

Like, you know, and this was before anyone, you know, knew our names, but we would have to go,

we would get paid, you know, to like to do jokes about, you know,

old John Miller.

Yeah, vice president John Miller.

Like, he's got crazy hair and he loves great, you know, wearing kooky ties.

And everyone would be like, that's me.

I'm John Miller.

And you just have to do all these like specific jokes.

It's so hard.

It's so hard.

I work with him.

That's true.

It's so him.

You're doing it.

He's got three balls and beats his wife.

Say something about it.

I go, and my act, I don't know what to say.

And then, and then one guy laughs in the back.

Yeah.

And then everyone else is like, was that true?

It's one guy sets you up.

Yeah.

And then the meet and greet, I'm sure you've had this, but I don't know if it's like alpha male stuff, but you're kind of, I'm this little guy and I'm sort of the star of the show.

But in the meet and greet, I have these guys just really kind of fucking wailing on my hand.

I mean,

and maybe they've had a couple cocktails.

I'm like, I had at one point, then I got tennis elbows, more ailments.

So I had to do the fist bump or I had to kind of wave.

And they're like, I want to put my mitts in twine with your mitt squeeze, you know?

I'll show you who's boss.

I'm like, you're boss.

We don't even have to do this.

Yeah, you win, boss.

I go, I have frozen hand, and Dana has frozen elbow.

And Amy has frozen shoulder.

But at least my screen hasn't frozen.

So, Amy, what is it?

So you're going to therapy and stuff.

I mean, first of all, just career-wise.

I mean, do you have any bugs?

Are you going to try to do a dramatic film?

Or you're directing, you directed Wine Country, you're writing, you're producing shit.

I mean, what doesn't she do?

Yeah.

Don't be sad.

Don't run away from it.

She doesn't pay her taxes.

No,

you just do a lot.

You do a lot.

Yeah, I have this production company called Paper Kite, so we produce a lot of TV and film.

I like doing a lot of different things.

That's why um

you know and trying to stay uh uh

trying to stay doing a lot of different things because i find this business is very i mean the strike is a perfect example of it like it's really fickle it's really you have to stay you have to know how to pivot so like i like acting and stuff and writing stuff and directing stuff and and um so i try to kind of do you know, whatever is the next thing I try to do is different from what I just did.

And, but I haven't done, I've been more into writing and directing than performing lately.

And the tour has been really fun because it's gotten me back into being excited.

And this podcast has been fun because it's just get to play like a character, but actually, doing TV or doing movies, like, it's so hard.

So much time, so hard being on set.

It's just takes up, as you guys know, it just takes up your life.

Movies are the hardest are such a chunk

beginning, middle, end of your day.

And, you know, um, I feel luck so lucky.

Like,

I had such a show that I love that I couldn't imagine going to do something else right away.

And then, you know, suddenly I'm looking at whatever it is, like six, seven years later.

But so, yeah, I'm just kind of doing whatever feels right to do next.

And I'm so lucky, like you brought up Wine Country.

I have such a group of ladies.

It's kind of like you guys, it's you guys with grown-ups.

Like, it's just like, I want to just keep doing stuff with the women I love.

And they're so funny and there's so much fun.

I mean, there's no better joy than doing stuff with your friends.

Like, that's success.

And you, who was it?

I like to, you know, I love, I love this phrase.

It's been used a few times in this podcast.

A murderer's row is such a funny,

but it was a murderer's row on wine country, you know,

obviously Maya, Rachel,

Anna.

Yes, we had a murderer's row in that movie, Paula Powell, Emily Spivey, Anna Gastier, Rachel Drash, Tina Faye, Maya Rudolph.

But then when I was at SNL, I was lucky.

I was in this group of

Will Forte, Fred Armison, Bill Hayter, Andy Sandberg, Seth Meyers, like Christian Wig.

That all happened in my years too, Keenan Thompson.

Like it was just, so that was, they were so talented.

People were so, so good and talented.

And when I look at those cast photos of who I got and also the beginnings and endings of my time there, my endings, it was like, you know, Will Farrell,

Chris Pardell.

And then, and that was Beanie's.

And then when I was leaving, you know, Kate McKinnon was coming in and like all these people were coming in that were.

So that's the cool thing is you just, if you're lucky, you get some overlap with people that you just love.

And that's the best.

I had one year with Will and got to watch him.

One last question from me and then Dana, whatever he wants, but you, you, you did Hillary and then was it Kate did it after you?

Yes.

Yeah.

And Anna, I think Anna guesser did it before me maybe did hillary before me yeah there was a bunch of them and and i did it when um

when downey was writing a lot of them and then

and then um

yeah and then we did when palin

that was like first she was running against barack you know, for the, to win the thingy there.

And then Barack won the thingy.

What you call it?

Nomination.

Nomination.

Yeah.

Well, first he won the nomination, right he beat hillary and then palin showed up so it was so fun to be able to do those two characters together because you don't get a lot of like

female politicians getting to even do scenes together half the time yeah so that was super super fun to do and it it felt like it was everybody was paying attention to that election it was very you know i played dennis i played dennis kucinich one time and everyone was like ah

look him up look him up if if you don't know who he is.

Dennis Kucinich.

Well, then it became a lot, which I, you know, we asked Keenan this question, and I've referred to it a couple of times, you know, about great casts or great cast members.

And

he just said, the MVP basically is the women of since the 90, late 90s.

And we have Jan Hooks and Nora Dunn, our generation.

There's been so many dominant women.

And even in later years, now the women play the male politicians.

There's all the rules are.

So

that's kind of cool.

It's progress, I suppose.

For

women, I mean, I was very, very lucky to be dropped into that show at a time when Tina was a head writer and Molly and Sherry and Anna had just left.

Like they had just done so much great work.

And yeah, I mean, I just kept going.

Just kept going.

Yeah, I think that wasn't always the case.

You know, everyone has their version of their experience there.

And I think there were stretches when women women did not feel heard, supported,

encouraged.

And I'm sure there still are places and stretches now where, like, everyone has a completely different experience about their time there.

But I felt like I lucked out in that there were these like just killers that were there crushing that I felt I was.

part of that group and I, you know, I felt very lifted up by them.

So I was very lucky.

It feels like it's been wiped out.

If there was ever, you know, some dude in the 70s, you know,

women aren't funny, not Lauren, but somebody, you know, like women aren't as funny as men.

Why after Lucy Ball and others, they would say that Carol Burnett.

But it seems now it's like, to me, anyway, being a baby boomer, it's obliterated.

This is a funny person.

I don't think when I'm watching a woman, I just go, they're funny.

They're funny.

So I guess I'm calling it progress a little bit at least for me.

And I would even, I would even say to expand it less about gender, like I find the more talented you are, the less most, unless you're, yeah, you're just not, you're not that insecure.

Like the funniest people I know love other funny people.

They, that's what they love.

They get drawn to other people's work, regardless of 100% gender.

Yeah, they don't care.

But if it's, it's people that like have their own stuff they're working out.

And here we are back to therapy.

Dr.

Sheila would be able to get these people in and talk and say, like, I know you don't laugh at this person, but really, what's the thing about yourself that you're not

laughing at?

What's part about you that isn't funny that you're mad at the women that are funny?

What are you mad about?

But I do think, you know, kind of dovetailing back into the quasi-marine analogy or esprit de corps, but when you see somebody who makes you laugh or me personally who does this and knows how hard it is or just some whimsical luck that something hits you and the rhythms are right, and it works.

And then, watching other people do it, and then really in your own mind, going, well, they're doing it, they're doing it, I think, better than me.

You know, it's like, and you kind of connect to them.

And if you meet them socially, places, there's a frequency there, or a shortcut.

It's a great way of communicating.

And sense of humor

is a good thing if you can have it, you know, in friends and relationships.

It just cuts across.

And anywhere I would be in the world, if a few comedians walked in, if it was any social, awkward thing,

even if I knew them or didn't know them, I would instantly be a lot more comfortable.

Yes.

At parties, I go up, even those big Oscar type, you just zoom right over to the comedian.

Anybody in the comedy world sort of gravitates together, feel like your own little group.

Totally.

Absolutely.

Feel like you're part.

I mean, I really mean it.

Like, I feel honored to be in a group

that you guys feel like you're in, too.

I mean, I feel like I would zoom right to you and Tina if I saw you out.

I'd be like, guys,

save me.

What's going on?

I'm saving this for them, but I am a licensed therapist.

I just, it's a casual thing I got.

And why do you feel that way about your peers?

Amy?

Well, why do you feel the need to ask?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Check.

She's been practicing.

My therapist helped me.

The one thing she said was, she basically says, life is a shit show.

Don't get involved in this idea that these people are living these dream lives on Instagram or whatever.

It's all made up.

To live is to suffer and to embrace it.

You're like, oh, cool.

Okay.

It's all right.

It's kind of like what we were talking about about SNL.

You have to kind of believe that no one's really thinking about you.

Everyone's kind of thinking about themselves.

And if you take the pressure off of yourself that everybody's thinking about you, then you can have a good time.

But most people are just thinking about themselves.

You know, life is hard.

Everyone's Everyone's in their own head.

The entire audience, yeah.

And you know, that we all know that we watch really successful people who kind of get what would, you know, be the platonic version of all the stuff everyone would want, and they're still just not happy.

So

happy is

an elusive kind of concept, you know, because going for content at this point.

If you're striving, because it's not, well, another cliche.

So is it about the shiny things and the money money or people talking to you at an airport?

Ultimately, it is, but landing the bit, right?

I mean, for me anyway, well, David's different.

He's

coming up.

Listen, coming up with ideas or something that makes me laugh is like one of the last joys of like.

It's still something works in your brain.

You're like, oh, this is

a code of a joke or an angle.

And you go, fuck that.

Little things like that

really mean a lot.

You know?

Yes, agree.

And hopefully, we can still do it when we're like not able to stand up anymore.

Lift our shoulders.

We'll do sit-down.

You guys will do sit-down.

No matter what they say, of use it or lose it is a concept.

You know, I think the more you, I mean, I think trying to memorize your act, like say you have kind of a new act, I was shooting a special.

And just the exhaustion of your brain, it must be some kind of workout to keep you articulate.

Or

all things being equal, because you'll stay more fluid longer and doing this you know when we started reading ads i was dyslexic or something remember damon in the early days i was like i couldn't really read them and now i've liquefied my ancient brain and now i can i heard i heard amy doing her ads and i'm like this is liquid iv i go i'm drinking one now i go this is this is similar but thank you amy uh very nice of you to take the time we love it and we love we love talking to you and the the best part of this podcast, we just get to spend like a, you know, a focused hour getting to know you in 20, whatever it is, 23.

It's a very boring time in America.

Nothing's going on.

So it's good that we can figure out something to talk about.

Yeah.

But anyway, well, we'll see.

I love, this is what I use because someone did it to me.

See you around campus as if show business is a high school or something.

Oh, that's cute.

I love that.

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