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Speaker 2 All right. Our guest today is the one and only Lisa Kudreaux, one of America's sweethearts.
And she has a new

Speaker 2 show out.

Speaker 4 She's in a show called No Good Deed. It's on Netflix.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 4 it's kind of funny. It's very interesting.
I'll tell you that. It's got Ray Romano in it.
It's got a great cast.

Speaker 4 Linda Cartellini, who I don't see much, and she's

Speaker 2 great. It's a great cast.
And it's from the people who brought you Dead to Me,

Speaker 2 which was another great show on Netflix. And so looking forward to it.
She's a really funny, talented actress, super down to earth, nice to talk to. And we talk about friends and different

Speaker 2 relationships. And we talk about how she grew up with John Lovitz.
And she knew John when John was like. a little kid.
And that's, that's very interesting.

Speaker 4 Yeah, very, it was way back, more than I thought, farther back.

Speaker 4 She did the show, The Comeback. We talk about that.
Romey and Michelle, of course, it's a classic.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And, you know, she was in Analyze. She was in Boss Baby, Book Smart.

Speaker 4 She pops up here and there, always working, always funny. We had a great time chatting.
So please welcome Lisa Kudreau.

Speaker 4 We are Dana and David.

Speaker 5 You can figure out which one is which whenever you.

Speaker 5 Dana and David. Okay.

Speaker 2 You got it. It's kind of weird.

Speaker 2 I'm his older brother from another mother.

Speaker 2 Do you have any doppelangers in show business? Like, you know, you look like, or someone saying, you know, people tell me I look like you.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 Well, yeah. People that come up and say, oh my God, everyone tells me I look like.
Oh, okay. But wait, listen to this.

Speaker 5 Years ago, I was at a restaurant waiting for someone, and the hostess came over and said, Are you famous?

Speaker 5 I'm not doing the accent. I said,

Speaker 5 She said, Are you

Speaker 5 Dion Warwick?

Speaker 5 Are you?

Speaker 5 That's a kid a lot.

Speaker 2 I used to get David would get me, I would get David, and then I aged out of that. And then they say, Do you know David Spade? It's my latest.
Did you know him?

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 What do you mean? I go, yeah. Did you?

Speaker 2 You're like, are you like everybody's kid's sister in a way? Kind of. You look a little like my sister a little bit.

Speaker 5 Oh, really? Well, I mean, you go, you know, Lovitts, both of you. John Levitts.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Of course. The one and only.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 I grew up with John. He and my brother are best friends.
David. David.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yes.
I've heard so much about this. It'd be interesting to hear it from your point of view.

Speaker 5 Yes, the real point of view.

Speaker 2 John's,

Speaker 2 let's say, eccentric dad you know i met a few times and uh

Speaker 2 david's encouragement to him yeah and then you being the kid sister coming out of out of the going into show business so go ahead go you have you have 30 minutes

Speaker 5 um

Speaker 5 yeah that all sounds right yeah well explain john then to john now just as a personality there's no difference well that's i will hilarious. There's absolutely no difference.

Speaker 2 10-year-old John, did you meet him at 10?

Speaker 5 They're six years older than me. If I was three,

Speaker 5 they were nine.

Speaker 5 So you met

Speaker 5 me.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, I can't. He was at our house all the time.
I mean, so at home, he could just walk in, go to the kitchen cookie drawer, grab stuff, you know, and he's not. Do you have any brownies?

Speaker 5 Oh, you don't have the other cookies? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Lisa, sorry about your attitude.

Speaker 2 Yes. When did this guy come in? I mean, the 40s guy.
Was that there when he was like 10 or something?

Speaker 5 Hello. Well, I don't remember when I was three.
What anyway?

Speaker 5 But later on, he was 14. Yes, because he would call up.

Speaker 5 And we shared, the kids shared a phone, and it would be like, hello. Oh, hello.

Speaker 5 Is this

Speaker 5 Lisa?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Hi, John.
Do you want to talk to David? Wait.

Speaker 5 And he would do some very long bit. I kept saying, can I just get David? Can I just get David for you?

Speaker 5 Yeah. That's hysterical.
Always funny. Always just spin on a joke.

Speaker 5 And then wait, you get older. Didn't you go?

Speaker 5 But was he. I didn't.
You didn't get older? I'm kidding. That was his name, David.

Speaker 2 John Lovitz.

Speaker 5 So you were like, didn't you go to improv, same place he did or no? Well, yeah, because then when I graduated college, I told him, yeah, I think I'm going to try acting now.

Speaker 5 And he said, oh, okay, listen. Okay.

Speaker 5 Because look, you know, I studied in college and everywhere, but the place I learned the most was the Groundlings. That's where I learned the most.
You have to learn improv.

Speaker 5 It's listening and responding it's the most important thing in acting and he was right

Speaker 5 and um

Speaker 5 and they wouldn't let me take classes because i hadn't performed or done anything since junior high school do you have to have a res a little bit to get in there i don't know this was like 1985 86.

Speaker 5 you have a beginner's class right and that's kind of you have to audition for those graduates what yeah i know our viewers are freaking out right now geez yeah i thought they were just sort of screaming, you know, but they wouldn't even let me audition for the ground.

Speaker 2 Did you have, as a little kid, did you have any kind of whimsy in your head? Like, maybe, maybe I'm funny, or maybe I could do this. But it was it, was it a secret, or did you tell your parents?

Speaker 2 Did you tell David? Or was it just?

Speaker 5 No, I mean, yeah, as a kid, I did want to act. I thought, yeah, I did.
And my family, everyone was funny. And I was the youngest, so I was the least funny.
how many kids

Speaker 5 uh three

Speaker 2 okay yeah five and five in ours i had three older brothers and a younger sister funny parents yeah were you the funny one or was there

Speaker 2 everybody was funny but that was more my specialty because i was doing little impressions oh yeah in the early 60s gross attention seeker

Speaker 2 uh i was an introverted extroverter extroverted introvert. I see you as a kindred spirit.
I don't think you're

Speaker 2 on, or I don't see you as always on.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 no, no, no, no. I'm not always on.

Speaker 2 But when you're on, you're funny as hell.

Speaker 5 Oh, thanks.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 2 there's evidence on top.

Speaker 5 We've got some evidence. Let's look at it.

Speaker 2 Let's go to the tape.

Speaker 2 Season five of France.

Speaker 5 Let's go to the phones. You've lost your bicycle.

Speaker 2 The exit is breathtaking.

Speaker 5 No, but I also would imitate

Speaker 5 Lily Tomlin doing Edith Ann. Oh, my gosh.
Of course. I would, you know, like,

Speaker 5 I would offer my entertainment services at school.

Speaker 5 I offered to go from class to class. I worked out with like scarves to do like the dream, Tevia's dream from Fiddler on the

Speaker 5 offered graciously.

Speaker 2 You pitched this to a teacher?

Speaker 5 To my teacher, I said, said,

Speaker 5 I put together this thing. Should I just do it for the class? And she went, sure.
And I did. And I said, now I could do this for all the other classes.
I've got my bath.

Speaker 5 And I can go. Like,

Speaker 5 what was wrong with me? Yeah, something's wrong. Or how wonderful.
How wonderful. That's how I look at it.
Like, be so confident, you know. And she went, sure.
Go to the next.

Speaker 5 She's like, kill five minutes of class. I don't care.

Speaker 2 Like, were you consistently confident throughout the grades? Did you have years where you're the star and other years you're a little down?

Speaker 2 Or was it just consistently you were like one of the most popular

Speaker 5 kids? I don't think I was one of the most popular. I mean, in grade school, I was confident.
And yeah, I had friends and I was like, I'm going to start a David Cassidy fan club.

Speaker 5 The ones invited and the moms would come. Everyone talked to me like I was an adult.
I didn't understand.

Speaker 5 But everyone treated me like I was a little older. And I think it's because of my brother and sister sister and being older and I had their, I stole their sense of humor and their jokes.

Speaker 5 And you know, I was going to say that because I was going to say, I'm three boys in our family. And I have to say, there's everyone's a little bit funny.

Speaker 5 And I'm more like a research paper, like a compilation, because you can always borrow like from your life. So this happened with Chris Farley.
Like his brothers would go,

Speaker 5 that thing he does is mine. It's like, well, he got on TV and he's reaching for straws.
At a certain point, he's like, that thing was funny. And, you know.
Yeah, he had the guts to take it public.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Most people aren't using it actively.
So

Speaker 5 just go, I can borrow what my mom says. You know, it's like, it's funny to me.
But so you're like, yeah, you got little things here. And your parents were funny.
Don't you say?

Speaker 5 Yeah, my dad was very funny.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 he was really funny. And that makes it fun to be fun or try to make him laugh when you're little.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, I didn't make anyone laugh. Oh.
But

Speaker 5 sadly. I thought you were killing it at school.

Speaker 5 At school. Yeah.
At school. Oh.
At school. Tougher crowd.

Speaker 2 Did your brother ever put you in a sleeping bag and then tie it off and leave him there?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 2 Oh, well, that happened to my wife. So I was just curious.

Speaker 5 Oh, shoot. No, no, David's, no, they were good.
to me. I mean, unless everyone was fighting, you know, but for the most, because I mean, didn't siblings always try to kill each other?

Speaker 5 It felt like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Most of my childhood with three older brothers was cut it out.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Cut it out.
Stop. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But mostly it was rough and tumble fun. I mean, we had movies that were touchstones because there was no VCRs or anything.

Speaker 2 You know, if what was your, like my sister was obsessed with Splendor in the Grass with Dora Beady and Natalie Wood. Oh.
And it came on once a year and she commandeered the television.

Speaker 2 Did you have stuff in your formative years that was just mind-blowing besides your crush on David Cassidy? Which my wife also had a mad crush.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think I did.

Speaker 5 I did.

Speaker 2 I played David Cassidy on an SNL sketch.

Speaker 5 That's right. Oh, wow.

Speaker 5 You played everything on an SNL sketch. Very well, by the way.

Speaker 2 So much fun.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 my sister, you know, she's the oldest. She's eight years older than me.
And

Speaker 5 she would, we would watch Father Knows Best and Leave It to Beaver.

Speaker 5 Yes. Reruns.
And she had to sneak Leave It to Beaver because my father, when she was younger, wouldn't let her watch it because that's bullshit. That's not what people are.

Speaker 5 That's not what a family is. Stop it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's pretty advanced.

Speaker 5 Oh, because they were too nice to each other. Yeah, they were too like.
formal and nice.

Speaker 5 Well, gee, well, gee, whiz.

Speaker 2 Like that infuriated him well golly wally yeah that guy was the original garth i just figured out and i have the same birthday as jerry mathers but oh really kind of talked like garth didn't he hey well golly willie i don't know what's your date

Speaker 5 i just by the way and the mathers lived in our neighborhood and sean mathers was in my class whoa the younger younger brother of jerry yeah

Speaker 5 I always sort of, you seem a little more, you just always seem very together to me. That's why people feel like you're older when you're younger, because

Speaker 5 something about you seems like you're very together and suffer no fools. So, I, oh, I'm yeah, I don't know, but you've suffered some fools along the way.
I think I'm generous with fools,

Speaker 5 well, you're well, you've been generous to me so far. I won't connect the dots.
No, I've been nervous to do this because you guys are legends.

Speaker 5 Crazy, oh, good. Yeah,

Speaker 2 has anyone called you a legend yet?

Speaker 5 When When does the legend thing come in? No.

Speaker 2 Nobody, not even John.

Speaker 5 Not to my face. No, yeah, no, John certainly hasn't.
But John's been very sweet and generous and good, I have to say. I think he's very proud of that.

Speaker 2 He loves to tell the story. Yeah.
And I said, do this and do this. And then she went there.
You know, he loves to be the person advising. It's a role that he really enjoys.
So he loves that story.

Speaker 2 I've heard so much.

Speaker 2 I definitely have talked to your brother David on the phone a few times where John has put him on. Say hello to David.

Speaker 5 He's a doctor.

Speaker 2 It's May West. It's 1940s.
I mean, it's both.

Speaker 5 But anyway, it's just nice to have someone that's in the business that you could ask questions to. Like Saturday Live is a huge deal.

Speaker 5 You're just auditioning and then you're like, what's it like just doing this or just auditions and readings? And, you know, I don't know how to cold read.

Speaker 5 Like when I started, I had no one really to go to. It's good to have someone that's been there.
Yeah. Well, I mean, and the good thing John said was: groundlings, listen, respond.

Speaker 5 Don't take them personally because some of them are kind of unhappy. And that was true.
I saw that. I saw it.

Speaker 5 Cause then he got on Saturday Night Live, and there were one or two groundlings because I thought, you know, it's okay to say, like, so what brought you here?

Speaker 5 I said, oh, well, I grew up with John Levitz. And they went, oh, okay.

Speaker 5 So bitter that he grew on Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 2 Oh, bitter and envious. You know, that is the thing about show business, no matter what, except Cody Murphy or something, most of us needed a break or hadn't something had to happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And there's whimsy to that.

Speaker 2 And you know, people, I know so many stand-ups, great stand-ups, not famous, had good careers in the clubs, but just didn't get, did some pilots, went on the tonight show, but didn't get that little turn.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So it breeds

Speaker 5 weirdness. Right.
Then why not me? Or that wasn't deserved if someone else got it and I didn't, which is,

Speaker 5 that always has, that always mystified me. It's like, what do you mean? I mean, even if you think it's all luck, then,

Speaker 5 you know, why not them and not you this time? How about you just think this time?

Speaker 5 I used to go on showcases at the improv, like Dana did. Like they'd say, we're going to bring a cat.
They're doing a sitcom, whatever.

Speaker 5 They're going to look at, they want to look at 10 comics and this is sort of the look, female, male, whatever. And we'd do it and someone would get it.
And I'd always be practicing, going, why them?

Speaker 5 Just in case I didn't get it.

Speaker 5 And then, but it's true. Like,

Speaker 5 it's like, it's hard to complain when it's an even playing field. Like, you all went on in front of them.
Yeah. And they go, that one.
And you go, wait, how do I figure out how I'm the victim here?

Speaker 5 I'll figure it out though.

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Speaker 2 Did you have nightmare auditions before Friends that humiliated you and made you think maybe it's not going to happen?

Speaker 5 No, not the auditions didn't make me think it's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 But I had one nightmare audition. I finally, I was so excited.
because I got to audition for Larry Sanders

Speaker 5 with Gary Shandling. Great.
And then whoever else was in the room. And I thought, okay, great.
I mean, I'll

Speaker 5 improvise a little too. And

Speaker 5 I think,

Speaker 5 and I

Speaker 5 don't remember exactly what I did, but I scared

Speaker 5 Gary.

Speaker 5 I know that.

Speaker 2 What was there sides or did he just do his thing of I'll say something like this and you say something like that?

Speaker 5 I don't, I'm trying to remember because I was just

Speaker 5 sort of the character was, Janine Garofilo ultimately did it, which is right.

Speaker 5 Oh, that was there for a full-time character. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I remember

Speaker 5 because I knew how to audition, I had a great cold reading class and audition class, which was just, you're not there to make friends, you're not there to chit chat, you're there to do the audition, be polite and everything, and then just get going.

Speaker 5 And so it's sort of, I said something and he

Speaker 5 Gary made sort of like a joke and I played along as an improviser with the sort of like, oh, now we're in a fight. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 Something. Oh, I see.
Yeah. And he just went, okay, should we read it? And I said, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. We did it.
And he said, okay, well.

Speaker 5 Thank you.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 we'll be in touch. And I went, all right, thank you very much.
And I walked out. I'm walking down the hall.
I heard the door open

Speaker 5 and I turned around and he was there going, okay, bye-bye. We will be in touch.
We really will.

Speaker 5 And I went, okay. And I thought, what? Did I scare him? What happened? What did I do? I was playing.
Oh, they didn't know I was playing.

Speaker 2 Did you ever run into Gary after friends and everything? And does he remember?

Speaker 5 Did he ever remember that? I forgot to ask him, but I did run into him.

Speaker 5 I ran into him after we had our first day of auditions for this HBO show I did called The Comeback. Comeback.
Oh, yes.

Speaker 5 And HBO and Chris Albrecht and Carolyn Strauss, they had no idea what we were pitching. Just write it.
We wrote it and they said, we still don't get it. Why don't we just shoot it? Because

Speaker 5 back when.

Speaker 5 You're Michael Patrick King, who I was working with in Texas City, we'll just shoot a pilot. Okay.
Great.

Speaker 5 So when we had the auditions for the pilot, that's the first time they saw me as the character because it didn't read

Speaker 5 on the page like it was hilarious. But then they saw me doing it.
And

Speaker 5 so after that, I went to something, I can't remember what. And Gary Shanley was there.
And he went, oh,

Speaker 5 I talked to Chris Albrecht today. He says, he said, you're brilliant.

Speaker 5 And I went, oh, that's good to know. That's really good.

Speaker 5 And I thought, oh, good. So, yeah, I didn't feel like bringing up.
I think I scared you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that was smart. I mean, Gary was really complicated and he was, he was harder on himself than anybody else.
And I was doing Larry Sanders once. I did it a few times.

Speaker 2 And he just writes on a piece of paper and just hands it to me, you know, between takes. And it just says, I hate myself.

Speaker 2 It's funny, but it was just. Yeah.

Speaker 5 The torture. Comeback was also like

Speaker 5 it was sort of like a curb type that was type that type right it wasn't improvised at all oh it wasn't it seemed like oh that's because of the camera stuff maybe it was like that it was sort of like

Speaker 2 cinema verte the office did it kind of yeah it was right after the british the office

Speaker 5 right but just before there was one before the american yeah

Speaker 5 what's going on uh oh you know nothing you ought are nothing. Sorry.

Speaker 2 You can't get, you can't ever get him out of his last golden globes. You cannot get that out of your mind.
It's one of the great moments in television when he says, you know, nothing, you are nothing.

Speaker 2 Thank you God and fuck off.

Speaker 2 And now the show.

Speaker 5 Anyway, when you do the comeback, do you so that is it? It looks like it's right after friends. So yeah, it was right after friends.
And it's with, you said, Sex the City Patrick King.

Speaker 5 Is that what it is? Michael Patrick Patrick King, yeah. And so you get through that.

Speaker 5 Must, it must have felt fun, A, to do something new and to do something sort of a little looser and a little rougher around the edges, right? Maybe. And it was something no one had seen before.

Speaker 5 It was meant to just be raw footage from a reality show

Speaker 5 so that you can see

Speaker 5 just the folly of this woman thinking she's going to control it. It's her show.

Speaker 5 And, you know,

Speaker 5 just

Speaker 5 throwing herself into a meat grinder for to stay in the spotlight yes um yeah and not really understanding what a reality show actually is and that was before housewives there was just anna nicole and

Speaker 5 uh the osbournes the osbournes seemed like the first one i remember that were huge yeah yeah that was an inspired idea at the time it was it was very interesting i think people would talk a lot about it because it was just it's always great when you get an idea a little bit out of the blue that everyone goes, oh, okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
No, that was very, it was, that was very, very rewarding, I have to say.

Speaker 2 I mean, because you'd done the six seasons, whatever, you did all that with the live audience, which brings its

Speaker 2 rock and roll and all its pressure. And then you do this whole new thing.
It must have felt really good. Like, oh, yeah, I can also do this.

Speaker 5 Just so you know, it was a different tone. Yeah.
Yeah. And luckily, while I was doing friends, I was doing independent films a lot, which was fun because there are no stakes at all.
Yeah. And

Speaker 2 you know, especially when your day job is friends.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, darn.

Speaker 2 I hope it does well. We have one to go back.
See you guys in 26 weeks.

Speaker 5 In fact, I thought, and when I'm done with friends, I mean, I'll just do independent films.

Speaker 5 And then they went away because.

Speaker 2 And now it's all live streaming.

Speaker 5 I know it's in a sense. That's streaming.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're might as well bring it up. No good deed.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Ray Romano, who is on this podcast.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. We love Ray Romano.
Yeah, that must have been fun. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He's a gentle giant. Like, I was surprised how self-deprecating he is and how open he is because he's a big guy.
You know,

Speaker 5 yeah.

Speaker 2 And he does not wear that on his sleeve at all. He's just very real.

Speaker 5 Yeah. He claims to be insecure.
And, you know, well,

Speaker 5 and and he probably he might be but we were talking once and i said but you're not mean to anybody like a lot most insecure performers

Speaker 5 find someone or something to blame everything on right like oh yeah we didn't give me the right lines or you know

Speaker 2 yeah that stuff or some stooge to on occasionally and just little put-downs yeah you leverage their power over you know that that that character right he but that's not ray doesn't do that and he said oh no that's because I I think I'm to blame for everything

Speaker 5 he's I just blame myself I think he really sinks into these things he's not just doing it to kill time like we were doing the mirage Dana knows we were doing like a both of us were not sort of residency doing stand-up but he gets into like these indie movies and like this thing it's just good little things and he really puts a lot of heart and soul into them it feels like to me yeah and and wants them all really to do well like really into it instead of just like, I'll do this.

Speaker 5 I'll do a week on this if you pay me. It's more like, let's get into it, nail it.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, no, I think he has a reason for everything he chooses to do.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You had a Luke on there.
I was just watching it in the other room because I hadn't seen it. And I go, oh, shoot, let's go check it out.
And I was, there's Luke and there's.

Speaker 5 Everywhere you turned, I was like, oh, good. Oh, Dennis Leary I saw.
Oh, yeah. And

Speaker 5 how fun. He used to be, I used to know him a little more in the old days.
But so how fun is it? That's that's a fun thing to do.

Speaker 5 And you did it for, and it's on right now because I'm watching it right now. Yeah.
On Netflix. It's on Netflix.
It's on Netflix.

Speaker 2 And will you introduce the premise?

Speaker 5 I reached out to you.

Speaker 2 The premise of the show, which is very interesting.

Speaker 5 Me? Yeah. Yeah, you.
Oh, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 5 I could do it, but I think

Speaker 5 it's tough to explain. There's a couple who's empty nesters.
They're selling their house. And

Speaker 5 right so far. Seems to, I know.

Speaker 5 there seems to be uh

Speaker 5 yeah there's the details we get into later there's some secrets yeah surrounding the house and their life there and then you have the people who come to the open house and desperately want this house and whatever's going on in their life that somehow intersects with this couple.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And the producer of Dead to Me, which had its own, I I love that show.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I did too.

Speaker 2 And I thought, whoever is the mind behind that, and also Christina Abogade, and

Speaker 2 the name of her partner was so good is also on this show.

Speaker 5 Linda Cartellini. Yeah.
Yes. She's always phenomenally good.

Speaker 2 Always phenomenal.

Speaker 5 Always.

Speaker 2 And so I'm assuming the sensibility overlap, different storyline, different everything. But I did see.
one of the clips where you're in the kitchen and you're kind of waving the knife around.

Speaker 2 He goes, put the knife down. And it was just very smart, dry, weird, but real kind of dialogue.
Yeah. Like, just put the knife down.
Well, I'm not going to stab you.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 2 I saw

Speaker 2 kind of the tone in that moment, you know.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
I think we kind of played with that one, Ray and I. Sure.

Speaker 5 Oh, good. They're taking advantage of that you can sort of

Speaker 2 let's make it real and surprise ourselves in the moment.

Speaker 5 Well, it's nice if they trust you to let you, you know, and aren't too like, but no, the script. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, I don't think people listening know that it's not always the case to have the gift of running with something. Sometimes it's script, script, script, move on.

Speaker 5 And then you go, you want me to try something? And they're like, nope, we're good. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so when you see it, it always feels looser if you just feel a little more into it. You take advantage.

Speaker 2 of the digital cameras.

Speaker 2 I mean, going back for just a second on Shanley, he had three 16 millimeter cameras on shoulder so there was a single on me single on him and a two shot so every take was its own take every take could be improvised overlapped it was all there every time and so i just wondered did they have a camera on ray and a camera on you or was it uh they go well that was a good improv improv uh can you repeat it we'll come around on you or do they manage the shooting so it was just i think there were two cameras and we may have done it more than once because we did it, probably did it once and then it was, yeah, do that thing again.

Speaker 5 I think I don't have a good memory for that stuff because once I'm done, I move on. No, none.
No.

Speaker 5 You know, when you, when this thing comes about, do you, does it perk up your ears because of the dead to me part of it? Like, though, this is, this person did this.

Speaker 5 So you're already sort of intrigued. And then you want to read it.
And then you're more intrigued. Is that sort of the way it goes? It should have been.
But actually, it was, it was.

Speaker 5 So, this is something exciting, we think, said the agents. It's

Speaker 5 they said a limited series on Netflix, and it's Liz Feldman who did. I said, Dead to me.
I know who that is. I love that show.

Speaker 5 Yes.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 playing your husband would be Ray Romano. And I went, wanted to work with Ray Romano.

Speaker 5 Oh my God, that's been like a dream. It's like, well, dreams come true.

Speaker 5 And so far, Linda Cartellini is in it. And And I went, what?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So I said, I guess I should read it, but do I have to?

Speaker 5 Because it's yes. Do I have to?

Speaker 5 It's already yes.

Speaker 2 And did you have to?

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it's a good thing I read it because I read the first episode. And then I had a meal with Liz where I had a lot of questions.

Speaker 5 And I went, I'm basically saying yes to what has my character done?

Speaker 5 I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 Did you have a read through? Did you get every, when everyone got together? Did you read the pilot in a room?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I always find that, and I haven't done that much of it, very nerve-wracking because, like, you know,

Speaker 2 she's going to bring it, man. Are you kidding me? We got the A-team here.

Speaker 2 You're thinking, what's the puzzle? How am I going to say these lines?

Speaker 5 Well, that's how I felt. That is.

Speaker 2 Everyone usually is nervous at that thing.

Speaker 5 Everyone's nervous. Yeah.
Well, because also, I mean, young people get nervous too because they weren't around in the days when you would do a read-through at a pilot and then get fired

Speaker 5 based on the poor performance in the read-through. I've been in a pilot and they don't even do that many read-throughs anymore.
And

Speaker 5 what should I do? But when I was, I read for this pilot, it was like basic ABC, whatever. And then they go, read through is great.
And the next day they're like, hey, where's this guy?

Speaker 5 Oh, they got fired. There's a new person playing them.
I'm like. From yesterday? What happened? From the read-through? Yeah.
They're like, oh, they bombed. I'm like, they did.

Speaker 5 Like, you don't even notice. You're like, what are they looking at? I don't even know.
That's what scares me. Like, how about a rehearsal and a run-through? Yeah.
To see if they bombed. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Let's see. Give them one more goddamn swing at it.
Like, it's terrifying. You hired them.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 From some

Speaker 5 quick decisions. It's all.

Speaker 2 And then what was your first day of shooting with Ray? Did you have your scripts in your hand?

Speaker 2 Let's get it on its feet, people.

Speaker 5 All right, quiet, everybody. All right.

Speaker 5 Number one, number two, we're going to run lines.

Speaker 2 All right. Go ahead anytime.

Speaker 5 I'm going to mark this one.

Speaker 2 And then you do it five times a row. And there's little titters from the crew, and then less and less.
And then finally, just dead silence. All right, we're ready to shoot it.

Speaker 2 And your confidence is totally.

Speaker 5 We beat it to death. Let's shoot it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Beat it to death will be the sequel to No Good Deed.

Speaker 5 Beat it to death.

Speaker 5 Get to meet No Good Deed. Beat it to death.
That's so good. That's funny.
I wanted to make it clear for your listening audience.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, we won't give too much more away of that, but titles are tough, but it's on Netflix right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And all eight shows are available. You can binge it tonight if you want.

Speaker 5 And it is good. I mean, it is bingeable.

Speaker 4 Someone was talking about it the other night.

Speaker 5 It's got like an 89% of Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah.
It got 102% Rotten Tomatoes.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's because it's fabulous.

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Speaker 5 I want to ask you a little bit Romy and Michelle because I know you get it a lot, but

Speaker 5 it's

Speaker 5 such a big one, especially when it came out. And you must still hear about it all the time.
It was such a cool one. You still have Halloween costumes, girl.

Speaker 5 I love it when you do something that's a Halloween costume. It's so fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
That is fun.

Speaker 5 And when was that? What was that? Was 97? Is that what it said? 97. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Maybe 96.

Speaker 5 Movie heydays. That's right around when movies were like such, it's so fun.
How to do opening weekend. Wow.
It was number two. It was a broad.
It was amazing. Even my mom was number one.

Speaker 5 It was number one. I don't know.
Yeah,

Speaker 5 Titanic. Something with a car chase in it, I think.
I don't know. Fast and Furious.
One. That was before Titanic.

Speaker 2 The Vin Diesel story. It was a dock.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But I remember doing talk shows for that.
And it was

Speaker 5 like, you know what I like about this? Jay Leno, actually, who's very nice. And

Speaker 5 he, well, I'll say it and then you can be checked. He'll do Jay Leno.

Speaker 5 And he said, you know what?

Speaker 5 I like about this that it's, it's two women, but it's not, you're not man-bashing, you know, it's just, it's two women and you're funny and it's fun and it's not against men.

Speaker 2 You know what I like about this?

Speaker 2 You know, you're not man-bancing. You know, it's just two women having fun.
You're not bashing the men. And it's just a great little movie, you know.
I mean, I thought it was tremendous.

Speaker 2 I thought it was tremendous. There was no man bashing at all.
I'll say it one more time and then I'll let you talk. No man bashing in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 You know, you got to be careful with the man bashing because you don't know what you're going to do.

Speaker 2 I got a little silly.

Speaker 5 That's so funny. But

Speaker 5 I mean, yeah, but it wasn't about men. It's a big victory.
That was that's that was your victory. Listen, we didn't know what to do.
What was a man bashing?

Speaker 2 Was Kelman Louise man bashing? I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 5 There were abusive men and predatory men. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, in that way.

Speaker 2 So Thelma and Louise had Brad Pitt seducing Sarah

Speaker 2 Susan Saran or something.

Speaker 5 But they were escaping a bad husband. Another bad guy.

Speaker 5 Okay. It's as if, like, right, that's not fair because that never happens.
Yeah. Wait, no, it happens a lot.
I mean, if a woman is a bit harder. And how do you like the theme?

Speaker 2 Quite a bit where the estranged husband is not happy and he has a weapon.

Speaker 5 Right. I mean, if a woman is missing,

Speaker 5 who's her husband? Who's her boyfriend? You know, that's the first place you look. But,

Speaker 5 but it was just funny to me that it still needed to be contextualized. Like, is it for in relation to men? Yeah.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And it was very, you know, what I get about most of my comedies is, you know, what I like, it's so dumb. That's what we need.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but we do. I know.
I love it. Believe me, I'm doing one right now.

Speaker 5 It's hard, but Romania. Then I say thank you.
Was clever, cute, fun,

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 a smart little comedy that, you know, and then I don't know. So you do it and you don't, I don't, you might not expect a lot.
You don't know what to expect. It does well, right? I didn't expect a lot.

Speaker 5 It did fine.

Speaker 5 It could have done better if it weren't rated R.

Speaker 5 Oh, was it rated R? Oh.

Speaker 5 PG-13 is the way to go.

Speaker 5 I thought that was a huge mistake. And it was too.

Speaker 5 That movie, I don't remember one thing R about it. Janine Garofalo said fuck off, I think, two times or three times or something.
Over one, and you get an R, I think.

Speaker 5 And the big stand was, I'm not changing Janine Garofalo's buck offs. And I went, I don't think she'd mind.
And I think

Speaker 5 she wouldn't care.

Speaker 4 If it's holding back another

Speaker 2 40% of the net profit, what are you going to do?

Speaker 5 Unless it's just a cause.

Speaker 2 Make a movie called Fuck Off, you know, and do that.

Speaker 5 14-year-old girls would have gone maybe more than once to see

Speaker 5 by themselves. I mean, those would come over and over because they all wanted to be those characters.
I watched it and when I heard R, I went, okay, who do you think this movie's for? Yeah,

Speaker 5 though.

Speaker 5 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 5 I can't.

Speaker 5 30-year-old men. Right.
Who goes over and over? You get lucky. They go over and over.
And that's young women who would have gone to see that. Yeah.
I thought that was a mistake personally.

Speaker 2 A thousand percent because PG-13 is the move. Remember, Greece is the move.
PG-13 is the move. But I don't know.

Speaker 5 I don't know. Greece is the word.
Greece is the word.

Speaker 2 Have you like, so you grew up in the 90s as a star?

Speaker 5 I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 Greece is the move. It's the move.
It's the move.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah. John Travolta was an incredible businessman.

Speaker 2 I think got he got he got some publishing on that and also on uh because he he came around and hung out he's a super nice guy oh my nicest guy in show business potentially i've ever met i mean we all went to we all went to bruce uh no tom hanks's birthday party up at um

Speaker 5 in up on uh

Speaker 2 whatever the planetarium in oh griffith park Observatory and everyone was there and you'd you'd say hello to someone you could tell they're like oh my god i'm talking to you right now.

Speaker 2 But Springsteen's over there, they were panicked, trying, you know. So, and Travolto just wanted to hang out with us and talk about airplanes because I have a fear of flying.

Speaker 2 He goes, You know, an airplane's only as safe as its maintenance, you know. But anyway, he was just a great, he is a great guy.

Speaker 5 He is one of his house.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I always see that picture of his house with a 747 in the driveway. I made it big because he pulls out, he goes, going to work on

Speaker 5 747. yeah in order 707 707 from much longer but yes yeah i flew on his plane oh you did and he was flying it

Speaker 5 i did a movie with him

Speaker 5 what was it what was the name of the movie

Speaker 5 no yeah yes you don't remember me um

Speaker 5 the angel the angel movie no no no no no but nora ephren directed it was called lucky numbers i think what was it called?

Speaker 5 I'm looking to see if I have anything.

Speaker 5 But anyway, it didn't do well to one Nora Efren

Speaker 5 John Travolta movie. God dang, Nora Efren, too.
It didn't do well, but I got to work with him and he is the nicest.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's something about him.

Speaker 5 So, because it's not about him.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And he didn't

Speaker 2 like how big he was. I've always found it was interesting that Tarantino, because he did the talking dog movies with Christie Adams, but he was like, he was the baby.

Speaker 5 The talking baby.

Speaker 2 Yeah, talking baby. And he was so, so huge with Urban Cowboy and all that.

Speaker 5 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 And then Tarantino, you know, the studio is like, you know,

Speaker 2 you want Travolta, really? You know?

Speaker 2 And he said he knew because he would walk around LA with Travolta and it would still stop traffic.

Speaker 5 And people would swarm. Good looking, tall, stout.
But what about San Anton Fever and Greece almost back to back? And you go, I think it was back to back. And the hugest hit.

Speaker 5 And then another monster hit, both with music, both crazy. Right.
And then Urban Cowboy and then, and then face off.

Speaker 5 And then

Speaker 5 I love that. Face off.
Yeah. And Michael is huge.
Everything. And Lucas talking, everything.
I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 And then Pulp Fiction kind of put him in this other kind of lane and then he went from there. But anyway.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 John, if you're listening, you're always welcome to come on and we'll just talk about

Speaker 2 a Deborah Winger. We'll say,

Speaker 2 what was that all about?

Speaker 2 That's Urban Cowboy.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I saw your on stupid Instagram. I saw your Urban Cowboy with Deborah Winger's sketch and you played Boulder like two days ago.

Speaker 5 And that was, I'm talking to Dana. And then Lisa, I saw.
I even forgot that.

Speaker 2 I did. Oh, with Deborah Winger.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Friends. Friends is so big.
I saw an Instagram today about you guys splitting a check, and I saw it an hour before this. I'm like, splitting a check? Well, you were like

Speaker 5 in the real show. You're trying to

Speaker 5 find out. You're deciding.

Speaker 5 It was show 108.69.

Speaker 5 Oh, yes. 108.69.
Yes, that one. That's a great one.
That was one of the good ones. Yeah.
And you're deciding what to pay. And I'm like, it's still.

Speaker 5 I mean, you don't have to talk about it too much, but it still keeps going and going. We don't.
Yeah, it does. It does.
The gift that keeps giving.

Speaker 2 Did you ever wear a disguise like at peak friends of mania?

Speaker 5 It's too famous.

Speaker 2 Did you ever,

Speaker 2 did any of the cast ever wear a disguise?

Speaker 5 Not that I know of. Yeah, okay.
No, I don't think so. I mean, also, it wasn't so bad for me because I'm married to a

Speaker 5 person who's not in this business.

Speaker 5 So there's no sort of interest in,

Speaker 5 there wasn't any interest in how's that couple doing.

Speaker 5 Oh, out there with the tabloid.

Speaker 2 So you're not on Daily Mail a lot, I've noticed. And is that a disappointment at all?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 Don't follow you.

Speaker 2 You kind of think everyone's out in the tabloids, but it's really kind of similar characters a lot. And then you realize, oh, so many people are not pursuing that path of celebrity

Speaker 2 within their career. And you forget about them.
You forget they even exist. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Just their work, you you know yeah that's okay too yeah some lean into it and some some you can't totally avoid it but some really lean into it and some tip off more people tip off than regular people know because really are they at the bowling alley and there's five photographers there like why

Speaker 5 and also there are certain restaurants if you go to them No, there will be paparazzi there. Yeah, they'll call it.

Speaker 5 But then to be fair, there are some people and, you know, if something's going on in your your life, you know,

Speaker 5 they just stalk you. Yeah, they wait in front of the house.
To

Speaker 5 see where you're going to go and what you're going to do. That's definitely legit.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That does happen, I think, to a lot of people. For sure.
That's horrible.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 to be nice to people who don't know what show business is and you're at some school function and they sidle up.

Speaker 2 hey how do you how do you make that friends type show you know what do you what do you you know those kind of nice sweet people are really just interested in wanting to say the right thing.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 2 They just, you know, well, we rehearse a lot.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I didn't get a lot of that. But you know what I get a lot of?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, I don't know. I didn't watch

Speaker 5 that show.

Speaker 2 Why do they always say

Speaker 5 they really want to let you know? And I always say, oh, sure. Yeah.
I know a lot of people.

Speaker 5 There are plenty of people who, you know, didn't watch TV or it's like, no, I mean, I watched, okay, I liked Seinfeld a lot but and one time it was and it's a good friend too who said but that was that was more of a that was more of a girls show wasn't it friends

Speaker 5 no i don't think so was it you know i asked my husband he's like no it was full guys too three of us were guys

Speaker 2 yeah some people liked wayne's world it wasn't my cup of tea a day of that who no has anyone ever

Speaker 5 oh yeah you just get all kinds of i guess you get all kinds kinds.

Speaker 5 No, I don't watch those kinds of movies. We go to the movies.

Speaker 2 That's not my thing, you know, but I guess some people really did like it. Are you from Canada? I think so.
I'll have to check my driver's license. But yeah, it's a show is just a funny thing.

Speaker 2 And when you get inside of it, you just see all the.

Speaker 2 how the gears move and the insecurity. And, you know, you're on the soundstage somewhere and it looks all greasy and ugly and stupid.
And then you see it later in the film.

Speaker 2 It's all shiny and color-corrected. And so it's a show.

Speaker 5 But I think there are people who just want to let you know, like, I'm not a fan, so you can trust me. Yeah, it's true.
Like, I'm not after it.

Speaker 5 Right. I don't want anything.
I don't want anything. I'm not a fan.

Speaker 2 I couldn't care less that you were famous and on TV.

Speaker 5 I just like you. I don't care about celebrities, is the number one person that cares about celebrities.
That's the first telltale thing.

Speaker 2 Do you host fundraisers? Do you do that kind of stuff?

Speaker 5 I have for

Speaker 5 things I'm involved in, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I do.
Do you have, do you have shtick?

Speaker 5 Do you have like shtick? You don't have

Speaker 5 to always do the thing from grade school. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Tabia's dream, everybody.

Speaker 5 Dana, when I was on Just Shoot Me, it was right around the time of friends. And when I heard they were getting favored nations, I was hoping it meant all sitcoms.

Speaker 5 So we'd all get the same, whatever they got. Turns out it was not.

Speaker 5 No. That was hard to get

Speaker 5 oh yeah well i mean they wanted nothing more than for us to split up and divide and conquer yeah

Speaker 2 whoever whoever thought of that was was smart keep keep the team yeah you know it was courtney or swimmer

Speaker 5 depending on i'm thinking who you're talking to yeah but courtney's pretty smart yeah

Speaker 5 about

Speaker 5 stuff

Speaker 2 she worked a little bit she i don't know her trajectory exactly i I remember from the Springsteen videos when she rocketed out, you know, right?

Speaker 2 But she probably may have had a little more experience.

Speaker 5 Well, she was on family ties and then she was a center.

Speaker 5 But I think the first minute she made any money, she bought a house and then was flipping houses and I think made more doing that.

Speaker 5 If I had her money, I'd love to be carrying friends.

Speaker 2 I love when show business people leverage their income and make money

Speaker 2 and take care of themselves.

Speaker 5 she's so smart i mean also just like with blocking we would block scenes and you'd be stuck and courtney would say well you should just stand over there and you do that and that way it's easier and and she was always right

Speaker 5 oh you need she was also the one when we were first like shooting the pilot or i don't know if it was then or we got picked up she said listen y'all i did Seinfeld. They help each other all the time.

Speaker 5 Like if you think I could be doing something funnier, tell me. You got to tell me.
And we need to help each other out. So that set a tone that I think

Speaker 5 carried through

Speaker 5 the whole 10 years for us.

Speaker 2 That's really cool.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Otherwise, it can get, you know, I mean, David, you've been on shows where

Speaker 5 it can get tense amongst casts don't normally love each other. Also, if things happen or someone gets more money or someone gets more jokes or someone, there's always trouble.

Speaker 5 Even photo shoots are weird sometimes. Yeah.
So many little things you don't see coming and you go,

Speaker 5 itchy, itchy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you're all SNL. It was

Speaker 2 different. Sorry.

Speaker 5 Go ahead. I was saying like on just shoot me, even though it wasn't obviously the friends show, but we did about seven years

Speaker 5 and George Siegel, Wendy Mellock, we had all done stuff. Yeah.
And also had good and bad things. And so everyone was like at a point where like we're really lucky.

Speaker 5 So, it was a little easier to get through it all. Okay, because we appreciated it.
We were like, hey, this could go away tomorrow. And so,

Speaker 5 I think it might be harder for you guys because

Speaker 5 when you're one of your first things, if not your first thing, is so monstrous. Yeah, I don't know how you think nothing else could be like this.
It's too good.

Speaker 5 You go, and then I'll do this and it'll be hit. And then it just, it just seems such a weird, weird world

Speaker 5 to deal with.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 5 we did all fully appreciate that. It was the other rare thing

Speaker 5 because we would check in and check each other all the time,

Speaker 5 you know.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 we had to answer to each other if we were going to

Speaker 5 create a disturbance, you know, like I got to do this. Is that all right with you guys if I leave early and my stand-in does that? You know,

Speaker 5 it was, it was, it was great to be accountable everyone was accountable to everybody else and then we'd all go off and like they'd let us which was really nice go do a movie and you know you come back and shoot your pickups of stuff and

Speaker 5 and everyone would say well i'll tell you one thing movie making's for the fucking birds because

Speaker 5 no one's running up offering me a sandwich there here

Speaker 5 break craft service and you know it's we rehearse most of the time the more you do it

Speaker 5 it's like the more you do it the more you get paid and the fewer hours

Speaker 2 i think it was either david spade or tony danza that told me that he got it down to 17 hours i don't know it was not

Speaker 5 a week you know just for the read-through of the thing the blocking just um will and grace got pretty tight they were across from us and uh and they got very i was jealous i'm going to lunch they're all driving away in their porsches i'm like guys this is a half day.

Speaker 5 And they're like, no, this is their whole day. And I'm like, you're joking.
Wow. Well, I think also they had Jim Burroughs,

Speaker 5 most of them, right?

Speaker 5 So, yeah, I mean, they knew what they were doing. And then

Speaker 5 they probably had early run-throughs. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Early run-throughs. Yeah, the writers like it, right? They write a draft, you run it through, and then they don't really need you for a while.
Like, okay, now we're just going to go work.

Speaker 5 It falls on them.

Speaker 5 But at first, they would have us do the run-throughs at like five because they wanted to be in the writer's room most of the day and then come see it.

Speaker 5 But then they'd have to do all the rewrites that night. Oh, yeah.
So then they'd be up really late.

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Speaker 5 We got ours down at one o'clock on like a Wednesday to shoot on Friday. And then so you come in, rehearse, go through everything once, run through, and you split.

Speaker 5 But did you do a Monday read-through or a first-day read-through whenever you shot? We did. We did the first seven years,

Speaker 5 I think. And then they had to.
We also would shoot. They'd have us start at like

Speaker 5 six or seven at night on a Friday. I'll let you go.

Speaker 5 Till like two in the morning. Oh, shit.
Really?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 it took six hours.

Speaker 5 to shoot our show shoot our show.

Speaker 5 They did a lot of rewrites because the audience, I I guess, would get tired of a joke. So, oh, okay, well, maybe, I don't know.
They just wanted it to be as good as it could be.

Speaker 5 We'd have hair and makeup changes. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I don't know. There's a busload of youth prisoners in the audience.
They would go, hey, they didn't like it. I'm like, well, we liked it all week.
We can't totally go by that. I know.

Speaker 5 I would think it's a, this is for a television audience, though. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Not the people that would come here.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And also, you guys had more pressure because it's a bigger, it's probably a little more overthought because it's a big deal how does this fit in will people like this joke i could see that going a little longer it took i mean it was sort of notorious for taking a

Speaker 5 lot of time to would you get fidgety

Speaker 5 no no and luckily we were all you know young so and you knew it was your hard night you knew ahead of time this is going to be yeah and we knew but to it got to me when i was pregnant and felt like i had a flu for seven months and then to be there at two in the morning, it was, that was tough.

Speaker 5 A little too tough. My husband had to come drive me home a couple of times.

Speaker 5 Sure, I get it. And then I think we just said, how about we start earlier?

Speaker 5 Someone got that. Where was Courtney earlier? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And we were told, yeah, I don't know.
if we can get the audience. And we're friends.

Speaker 5 Really?

Speaker 5 People can get off work if they have tickets to the show and people fly here on vacation to see the show.

Speaker 5 For sure. Pretty sure.
So we would. We started earlier and then

Speaker 5 we'd have two audiences.

Speaker 5 Oh, you, oh, wow. No one can sit for that long.
And if you throw them some hours. Fucking jelly beans.
Pizza. But if you have a

Speaker 5 stock thing that goes out. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. The audience warm-up guy, that guy gets burned out um can you imagine six hours he had to keep everybody

Speaker 5 i would hear it they'd go hey and there's david spade come say hi and i'm like don't make me come i'm running my life really yeah badaba do and then they say hey do this and then but you know you feel for that and would you would you i'd go yeah yeah because they uh nice they're there they're super tired i don't even know if we gave him pizza i don't know what happened this guy had

Speaker 5 six hours oh yeah we had to give him pizza give him something let him live a hard candy a butterscotch wasn't going to be enough i don't think we got a bowl of skittles don't forget it's at the bottom of the stairs skittles

Speaker 2 don't go crazy though when did peak tv end i mean was big bang theory the last water cooler show or was it friends or i think big bang theory

Speaker 2 Maybe it was the last kind of big, big network sitcom.

Speaker 5 I think so.

Speaker 2 Now you get like maybe eight, 800 people or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 They best been renewed with a 1.1

Speaker 5 0.8. Yeah.
Amazing. But I think they want more to try to make multi-cameras work again just because,

Speaker 5 you know, it's on a stage. It's not as expensive to shoot and it travels really well.

Speaker 5 Something about it works. That's what we're working on.

Speaker 5 It's been working for 50 years. So 60, 70.

Speaker 5 It can, but you know what? It always seemed to me things that didn't work

Speaker 5 were usually missing

Speaker 5 funny people and good jokes, right? Good joke writers, you know. Need it.
It's pretty basic. It's good.
It works, you know. It is basic, but

Speaker 5 Lord Family was a good big one, too. That was one of those.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 But it wasn't in front of an audience. It wasn't.
Oh, that's right. That's right.

Speaker 5 And it also had the docu

Speaker 5 sitch. You're like, and also that's not really what we're talking about right now.
And I'm like, yep. I just can't wait.
What documentary is this?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I know. Who's watching this 10-year documentary about this dumb family?

Speaker 2 I've been in situations on a movie where the brain trust is around the camera and there's a take and they're beside, they're bent over. We're like, it's the funniest thing.
And I go, we're so fucked.

Speaker 5 It's over.

Speaker 2 The brain or dailies they used to have. The brain trust is like, oh my God.
You're like, no, this is death.

Speaker 5 You can title it. Overwhelming.

Speaker 5 Although I have to say, I'm not a great judge. Like when I see something and I think, oh, that's too broad.
Or I don't know if that's very good.

Speaker 5 And then it's, you know, the audience's favorite thing that's ever happened.

Speaker 2 There is that element of comedy where you're like, really? That was the one that killed?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Yeah.
Or you do a show, like a movie and you go, I remember some movies I did where I go, this was the scene that tested the highest just because it's like one one shot.

Speaker 5 But when people watch it for 10 years, like a Romey Michelle type movie, some of my movies, they go, these are my favorite things. And I'm like, it's not what it was the first time when it came out.

Speaker 5 That's, it switches. Like they see it so many times.
Now they like this and like that. Yeah.
Yeah. The real throwaway jokes and that kind of stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But initially, the big jokes are like the easiest ones to get.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 After the movie, they go, did you like that one? And everyone goes, sure. And they're like, okay, that's your favorite scene.

Speaker 2 All right. We're going to fill out our cards today.
It's a scale of one to five.

Speaker 5 And just, you know, remember what we talked about.

Speaker 2 Remember what we talked about earlier. And thanks for participating.
And we're sure I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 What's a word of David Spade's character? Stupid. Okay.
Well, that's not one of the choices.

Speaker 5 We're going to have you just write them down on your card and hand them in to the front.

Speaker 2 If you thought the dog was cute, we have another special card to put it on.

Speaker 5 Exactly.

Speaker 5 That's exactly what those test screenings are. I know.
Who would you want to see more of? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Who should we cut out of the movie and fire immediately?

Speaker 5 Lisa, thank you for talking to us. We'll let you go.
It's very, very nice to have a long chat with you. No good deed.
No good deed. Thanks.
No, Netflix.

Speaker 2 Now we enjoyed it, Lisa. We'll see you around campus,

Speaker 5 as they say. All righty.

Speaker 5 Bye.

Speaker 6 This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe, leave a like, a review, all the stuff, smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 6 Fly in the Wall is executive and produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.