Guys: Episode 133 - Cigar Guys with Tim Heidecker

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys.

I'm Brian.

My co-host is pufferating on a stick, Chris James.

Hi.

Hey, not, yeah, I don't know if that's an insult or not.

It's not, it's just smoking a cigar.

I learned a lot of slang this week.

Pufferating on a stick.

A stick I've heard before.

I've heard from some comedians who like cigars.

I've heard them describe it as a stick, but I've never heard pufferating.

I don't like it.

And let's get our guest in here.

This week, I think you know who he is.

It's Tim Heidecker.

Hi, Tim.

Hey, guys.

Tim, thank you.

Have you, first off, we always, we're very professional in our show, and we always ask the guest, have you what's are you a big cigar guy or have you ever smoked cigars um i i'm a pretty big cigar guy i've got a really nice collection um

i don't smoke them i collect them i just

yeah just to like just to like uh look at them and stuff yeah i'm you know people collect stuff for all sorts of reasons and yeah that's true there's scars from all over the world i've got cigars from obviously a

fair amount of Cubans

and Dominican Republic cigars and then just cigars from all over the place.

But do you have you ever smoked one?

No.

No.

I'm just kidding.

I'll back up and restart.

How about this?

I don't, I've, of course, I've smoked cigars.

I'm a man of a certain age, and I've done just about everything

you can do.

Yeah.

But I don't really have an affinity towards them, and I actually don't like them quite at all.

Me too.

I'm the same.

I went to a bachelor party.

I've talked about it before.

I threw a bachelor party.

By the way, for a party where I wasn't the best man, which seems kind of fucked up.

But anyway, I threw a bachelor party and I bought, I looked up like expensive cigars and I bought a...

I bought a bunch of them and then I wore a derby hat and we sat at my house and I was like, let's all just smoke cigars.

And it was disgusting.

I was like done with it in like

one minute.

I was done.

I was like, God, this, and I smoked cigarettes for a long time.

Cigarettes are great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I smoke cigarettes too.

And I, listen, I quit.

And obviously, we've talked about it.

We did cigarette guys and stuff, and they make you stink and stuff.

But

they have something good about them.

Cigars, I never, I think it was because the first ever experience I had, I was a young kid.

And we're like, we got a cigar.

Somebody got a big, you know, Cuban cigar or whatever from their parents and then we're like oh we're gonna go to the elementary school roof and go up there and smoke this cigar together and yeah it

yeah

it just made us so sick like like we're children right we're like young and it made us so physically sick that i could not get off of the roof for so long and it was like i don't think if you have that experience as your first experience you're ever going to become a real cigar guy you know yeah your lips start burning remember that

feeling that your your lips are like, ah,

totally, yeah.

And it was, again, yeah, we were obviously inhaling it.

And it's like, some people,

Brian, maybe you'll get into it.

I don't know if people, if that, if there's anybody that inhales cigars at all, if it's, if it's something that's like, I mean, you're not supposed to.

But then again, I don't, listen, I'm not a medical guy.

I don't know anything about medicine, but I don't know how you get addicted to nicotine if you don't inhale it.

You know, and these guys are very clearly addicted to nicotine.

They say it all the time.

And, but again, I don't know how you feel.

If the smoke is in your mouth, I think that gets into your blood vessels.

And that's

just the way, like, dip or, yeah.

Yeah, I would imagine just again, the way you say it's like burning your lips and stuff.

You can almost, it's like seeping into you is still.

It's, it's so, yeah, it's so, it feels so hot in your.

Now I'm remembering it.

I'm trying to think of the last time I even had a cigar.

Really?

I mean, I had a black and mild, but if I told told these guys in this subreddit that I had a black and mild a few years ago, they'd be like,

What a piece of crap you are.

But I did have this, this in our cigars, this guy goes, How was your first cigar?

First cigar I smoked tasted and felt really good.

When I started getting to the end of it, it started getting nauseous and dizzy.

I finished the cigar and went to go take a shower, but I was so nauseous, I just laid on the bathroom floor naked for like 45 minutes.

I finally mustered up the strength to get in the shower, then I proceeded to sit down in the the shower for about an hour.

I managed to finish showering and ate some pasta after.

It made me feel better.

I've been contemplating if I should smoke another because that feeling was absolutely terrible.

I mean, that's similar to my experience

smoking my first one.

Yeah, I guess.

Is that, I wonder if that's like a regular thing that happens to people when they smoke a cigar to start because it seems like it's a pretty negative experience.

I wouldn't imagine many people would go back.

Like, why would you smoke more cigars?

The same reason you smoke more cigarettes, you know, they taste so good, and you're just like, well, they don't taste good the first time, but you know what I mean.

Well, I think there's a certain like

idealized version of what it means for a man to relax and have a sense of accomplishment.

And like, I bet there's just like a lot of guys who are like, you know what it is?

Like a nice,

a 12-year-old scotch and a cigar.

Yeah.

And sitting in my, like, there's got to be so many guys in like suburbia or wherever, really, but who are like, man,

I just closed a deal today.

We finally, you know, got that lease finished.

I'm going to go outside.

And they're like,

you know, they're cosplaying like what it means to be like a Tony Soprano or something.

But they're not very, they're probably not really enjoying.

Like, if you

hook them up to a lie detector test, you would get that they're like not enjoying.

Same thing with Scotch.

Like, like I used to, I was in that, that, I was in that

delusion that this is what, you know, high quality, this is a very elegant,

you know,

what a gentleman should do is have a very peaty scotch, you know, and it's like, this tastes like shit.

I'm the same way.

I'd rather have a can of Coca-Cola.

That's true.

And the thing is,

a lot of these guys are bourbon guys too.

And a lot of people say imbibe cigars, which I didn't expect to see that often.

But yeah, a lot of these guys really, really, they're the same guys.

They like expensive stuff, I think.

And it reminds me of the Rat Pat guys episode where we had Hayes on, and he was just like.

It seems like people are just fantasizing about sitting at a restaurant like with a bunch of other guys.

Like for some reason, they've made it seem weird for guys to go out to dinner together.

So they're like dreaming of sitting at a restaurant with a bunch of guys smoking cigars.

And they can't come up with a reason to do it.

I think is the thing.

It's so true, though, that yeah, just at the end of a day, that that is what a man does when he feels a sense of accomplishment as he has.

I wonder where it comes from.

It obviously originates somewhere, but like, yeah, that he has a glass of whiskey, sits in his big leather chair in like his study or whatever, and he has a whiskey and a big fat cigar.

And yet, most likely, most of the time does not enjoy the taste or experience of either of them but enjoys the feeling that he gets from it or whatever which is that like I'm a classical man I think there's probably something to like the idea that a cigar does take longer and that does there's probably you know to make to make a defense for it there is something to like the changing the pace of something and making something last long you know that this is going to be something I'm going to spend time with as opposed to a cigarette, which you're just going to smoke and, you know, spend two minutes with that experience, put it out and probably have another one shortly after.

But a cigar is something you spend time with.

But at some point, you must be sitting there with your scotch and you're like,

I'm going to let this burn out because I'm not going to smoke this whole thing.

They look so huge to me, too.

Like, that's the thing.

It's like, I saw one.

that was like this guy was like i'm camping all weekend so i bought the longest cigar i could get and it was absurdly long.

It was, and it was like, that's gonna take three days to smoke.

And I even did read a bunch of people, like, hey, what do you do when you don't feel like smoking the cigar anymore?

And they're like, throw it away because it, I guess, if you put it out, it ruins the cigar.

So, like, even then, you pay all that money.

You better have an hour and a half to see.

But you can't

relight it, right?

Right, you can, but the smoke inside the cigar gets stale, if that makes sense.

Like they say that some people say if you, if you blow through the cigar, which we'll see a little later, if you blow through the cigar, it'll blow the smoke out and it might work.

But yeah, they say you shouldn't relight cigars.

You shouldn't let them go out.

So this guy goes, I like this guy who

his first experience with the cigar was I had the H.

Upman half Corona.

Superb experience.

I cut it, perfectly lit it, and the flavors were great.

I really enjoyed it.

So that guy had a superb experience his first time.

Can I propose an idea?

Just, I don't know the rules of the show, but can we go around and name a person that you associate with cigars?

And like, whoever, you know, if you don't have one, you lose.

Okay.

I know why.

How far we go.

George Burns.

Oh, yeah.

George Burns.

All right.

I'll go next.

I'll go next, and I will say Alfred Hitchcock.

Alfred Hitchcock.

I will say Bill Burr.

Okay.

I don't know that, but I believe you.

Oh, you did.

Oh,

you got to follow him on social media.

He's always talking about sticks.

He posted about some establishment shutting down and saying this is unfortunate because I used to love to go have a stick here.

That's where I learned the term.

So you keep going?

Seth McFarlane, I assume, smokes cigars?

You assume.

I think so.

I don't know.

I'm going to look it up now.

I'm going to Google seth mcfarlane's cigar he just seems like the type of guy that would smoke cigars i'm going winston churchill

oh see you no real one these are like yeah you're um okay now i feel like who really who smokes um

one of those detectives

what's the detective what's his name though is it is it columbo is he yeah that's it

columbo's got the cheapo cigar that he you know that kind of the the philly what are they called the The Philadelphia one, the Swisher, the stuff that you're

so

I got to get his name, but Sylvester Stallone and Tulsa King.

Oh, Tulsa King and Tulsa King, one of the baddest.

Tim, have you seen Tulsa King?

He's such a badass man.

He heard it straight.

Such a badass man.

And it's like you would think, like, well, this guy's, you know, this guy's 79, 80, 82 years old.

He can't and should not be out there, you know, being a tough guy on TV or whatever.

But it absolutely is one of the funniest things.

Let's just be, let's, I mean, this is the obvious one that I thought would be first would be Tony Soprano.

The characteristic.

Oh, yeah, Soprano, of course.

I watched that show again recently, and

he's almost always smoking a cigar.

There's almost always a cigar.

If he's outside or in his car, he's got a cigar brewing.

He's got it in that little case

and, you know, the little leather case they carry around.

Oh, yeah, yeah,

Like a whole thing.

You got to have like your works.

That's what they call it for having a lot of people.

Is it an Italian thing?

Do Italian guys smoke more cigars?

I did notice that the guy who got sick from a cigar earlier afterwards ate pasta.

And I did think that was kind of interesting.

And maybe this guy's an Italian guy.

Well,

there's a thing here.

This guy goes, I didn't get any nicotine sickness from my first cigar.

It was a Monte Crisco number two.

And I said that Monte Crisco.

And it was the reason why I kept going.

The fifth one I had was A.

B.

Prinzado Robusto and I remember it because it was so delicious and I got so sick after I threw up.

Make sure to have some sugar or something with sugar in it.

It will help you a little bit.

If you feel like you're getting too much, it's fine to just stop it.

You'll eventually build up tolerance to smoke till the nub.

So a lot of these guys say keep some

peanut M ⁇ Ms close to you or like a Diet Coke or not Diet Coke.

Yeah.

Full sugar Coke.

They said full sugar.

They did not I said Diet Coke because that's what I drink.

So that's to help you to not get sick from having the cigar.

And then they're saying you have to build up a tolerance to not make yourself sick from it.

And then you'll start enjoying it.

Is that the idea?

Like they're sort of saying, hey, you got to power through that.

Yeah, he says drink a full power soda, a spoon of honey or candy before.

Basically, that seems a spoonful.

I'll just have a spoonful of honey.

That's...

probably what Winston Churchill did before he smoked the cigar.

I can't imagine a guy in 2025 having a spoon full of honey before his cigar.

I mean, and I just think like, I don't know.

Again, like, I tend to avoid those types of things where I have to, I have to, like, have a bunch of sugar before or else I'll be sick.

Like, I just kind of think like, well, maybe it's not, maybe it's not good to do then if that's the case.

Yeah, no, but I, you know, I, I'm the same way with, like, I don't mind having to eat something before I do something, but I don't drink.

Yeah.

And I don't smoke anymore.

So, like, all I do is eat.

Like, that's my

vice.

That is the vice.

So, yeah, you eat.

I love candy.

I'm a big candy guy.

What's your big candy?

Are you eating a candy right now?

I'm back on those ice cream sandwiches.

They're like

special kind?

Are you?

And he orders them in bulk as well.

I did not order them in bulk again, but I did notice that I'm buying eight of them at a time.

So

what's the brand?

It's Ruby Jean oatmeal butterscotch ice cream sandwiches now they're $5.99 a piece which is

a steep prices yeah and they

they only have them at one type of gas station called United Dairy Farmers they only have them there and at another specialties store so what I do is there are all there's only one UDF in downtown Columbus.

So I have to like drive to like five or six of them and buy like eight at a time

in the suburbs.

I have to drive out to I didn't know I didn't realize I was talking to a mental patient.

I didn't know the bad.

Oh, you did it.

Oh, you did it.

It just sort of hit me now.

I'm like, what am I doing with my Tuesday?

He, he, well, yeah, then he couldn't get enough of them, so he ordered a bulk amount, but he had to like order $100 worth of them, which at least, Brian, you were able to realize was a bad idea, which I knew.

I could tell you, Tim, because I know Brian Brian pretty well.

We're good friends, him and I.

So I knew for a fact, I was like, you shouldn't order a bulk amount of ice cream sandwiches.

You're not going to, like, he's not going to ration them.

He's not going to, like, you know, it's not going to last themselves.

Do you have the space in your freezer?

He's got a huge

place.

He lives in these big sprawling homes, you know.

I don't live in a big, I live in a three-bedroom apartment, but I do have, there's, listen, they make room in the freezer for me for my treats.

They're important to me.

They're like my cigars.

Yeah, but 100 bars is...

Well, it's $100 worth.

$100, right?

30 bars, though.

30 bars or something.

I mean, it still is an insane amount.

I'm not going to do it anymore because I went through them like absurdly quick.

Like, I was eating four and eight.

I wish I had, do you ever wish, do you ever wish you had one of those like those meat freezers that people had in their basements, you know, like

big freezers?

I've always dreamed of having one of those.

When I was a kid, I had one.

Yeah, when I was a kid, I had one out in the garage, the deep freeze, and that was like where the good shit was.

There was a bunch of suit.

And I remember, actually, this reminds me when my stepdad claims that he had caught me stealing some food out of there.

And then he told me that he knew because he counted and there was one missing.

And I knew he was lying because I had stolen two of them.

That just popped back into my mind.

But yeah, the deep freeze was huge.

I remember that Dairy Queen ice cream cake, like leftover, would always be out in the deep freeze for like a week or so after.

You could go kind of fork off of that for a bit or whatever.

Yeah.

We had one growing up and I went in.

I like got in trouble because

my parents put their like wedding cake topper in there to eat on their anniversary.

And I picked at it for the whole year.

Oh, no.

And then when they opened up the refrigerator, the cake...

It looked like a mouse had been there.

It was just, I was taking a little piece and sneaking away.

And they were so mad.

They like lined us all up and I was like, it wasn't

if I had those deep freeze, it would be like some meat in there.

I think I put, you know, some meat and frozen vegetables and that kind of stuff.

But then I load in like a bunch of Snickers bars and Eminem.

Like it'd get all my sweets frozen hard.

Yeah.

I want a soft serve situation.

I want a soft serve machine and I saw a good,

I saw one for like $1,500.

It's like the one that's buddy,

Brian.

What are you looking for?

You're a genuine.

You're like in a serious way looking into soft serve ice cream machines.

Yeah.

Ah, okay.

I mean, whatever.

I'm a huge fan of the treat soft serve ice cream.

I understand.

I just, again, it's like, it feels like a similar thing to the ice cream sandwiches, where in this case, you would just

have access to non-stop soft serve ice cream anytime you wanted it, always.

Yep, and I could buy the helmets.

You guys are always telling me I should buy the the helmets.

I could buy the helmets and do it myself.

Just Tom Sharpling told you that.

Well, he did tell me that, though.

So I went to Cigar Asylum, which is a forum for cigar people.

And this guy goes, hello, my name is Shaman Smith.

I shouldn't have read that.

And I have just recently turned 18.

And when I raised the appropriate funds, me and my friends were going to drive to this place called Tinderbox to get some cigars.

But I have some questions.

Up until now, I haven't really done any potentially hazardous things to my health, never smoked anything, drank.

I've even managed to evade being sick much of my life.

That's a cool line.

He goes, I've never taken any medications either.

And this whole while I've seen and read, heard many things about the dangers of such things.

So this guy is asking a cigar forum whether it's okay for his health to enjoy some cigars.

They're going to be upfront and honest with them, I would imagine.

Yeah.

Ogre says, I don't see any problems with my health.

I guess

I love guys that say that, too.

Yeah.

And it's like, it's like, yeah.

And I haven't been to a doctor.

Like, yeah, it's like.

I can only run three feet at a time.

Like,

I can't move without running out of breath, but I don't see any problems with my health.

It depends on the kind of people you're surrounded by and stuff, too.

You're right, because it's like you could see your health as being okay, but yeah, you can't like run for more than one minute or something, but you never do that.

So it's like never an issue for you in your life.

But yeah, you might

still be struggling.

I honestly,

yeah, I mean,

this guy's got to know that there's health.

That's a famous thing, right?

That there's health.

No, he says mouth cancer is found more in dip than anything else.

All I can suggest is brush your teeth and rinse with a good mouthwash after.

Yeah, people get

people usually more

people get killed by a gun than a knife.

So let people stab you in the fucking heart.

This is the most like America after COVID

thing to say.

Like a guy saying, I don't think you'll get mouth cancer if you brush your teeth and wash your mouth.

Yeah, use mouthwash.

That'll push the cancer out of your mouth.

You just gotta keep things generally clean and you'll be okay.

Yeah.

I'm so tired of this fucking cancer, though.

Like, can we figure this shit out by now?

Like, can we just go, can we have these cures?

Like, I'm tired of thinking about it.

Like, oh, what if I get cancer?

Oh, I was at a, I was at a party and I smoked a cigarette.

Come on, man.

Like, I should be able to do all these things.

I should be able to do whatever I want and let them figure it out later.

Get the cures out now.

When you find out, like, people are like people who die of cancer.

I mean,

I have close friends who died of cancer and my wife's mother.

And like, and then

I always think about Linda McCartney.

Linda McCartney died of breast cancer in the 90s.

And it was like, wait, you're like one of the richest people in the world.

You know, like, you've, you're, like, I hate seeing that.

You couldn't figure out a way to live.

You couldn't figure out a way to survive this.

What the fuck is going on?

Yeah, where do I go?

It's true.

It's honestly, it's the only time when you're like, yeah, we see a really rich, like Steve Jobs or something, although he, he kind of,

yeah,

he did some weird stuff, right?

He He was like, I'm going to go to the hospital.

Drinking some juice and stuff.

But when you see really rich people like that and they're dying, you're like, oh, fuck, you know, like, I'm really, you know, we're really in a lot of trouble, definitely.

But maybe this AI, that's the one thing about AI they said, though, that is interesting.

So I'm going to be an AI guy.

But they're like, oh, once that, once AI starts revving up and getting good, it's going to just bing, bing, bing, bing, it's going to figure out all the cures.

Oh, God.

Fuck it.

It's going to be.

It's been on it, too.

It's been great.

It makes some good music, too.

Well, they are.

Listen,

it's already fucking firing on all cylinders in the entertainment fields.

No,

I agree.

Listen, it's going to destroy probably a million different things that we love in such a short period of time, which I just as far as entertainment and stuff like that and jobs, maybe.

But yeah, if it, God, I hope some fucking smart people who are good like get a hold of it and at least utilize it for positive reasons as well.

Like, so it could save some lives.

They're like, ladies and gentlemen, we have a big announcement to make.

We have cured all cancers and all diseases.

Simply put, this means like, please, can please enjoy McDonald's and Marlborough Lights.

Wow.

I know a guy who would be very excited.

No consequences now for enjoying those two things.

And

congratulations.

And if, you know, every two years you have to come in and get a, you go through this machine that gets rid of everything or you take this pill or a shot.

I would do it.

I would listen to, they're like, the trade-off is you can only watch AI, you can only listen to AI music.

And I'd be like, all right.

I don't know.

Do we get the old music still?

Oh, that's a good point, Chris.

Yes.

So here's the trade-off.

No more,

you can, of course, yes, you can listen to the Rolling Stones and everybody else.

And you can have access to the library of culture that's been created over the past 4,000 years.

Yeah.

But new stuff.

Nobody can make new stuff.

No, you can't make new stuff.

So, what do the people do?

Like, you, Tim, you have some friends of yours that would be kind of what would they do then in that situation, you know, thinking of somebody like, I don't know, like a musician who makes their money that way.

Yeah, like

UBI, it's UBI time.

It's time to just get

get the monthly dole and then work on painting and spending time with your family and smoking SIGs.

I always

use Sigma.

I know this is the worst.

I know this is the worst fries.

Yeah, yeah, but then you, yeah.

And you would have to, yeah, I guess in this situation, you're sort of like the french fries in this situation are quite cheap in the burgers and stuff, so you don't really need the amount of money that you would have needed before

to live a happy life.

I would take the mark of the beast in order to have that.

So I'm fine with that even.

I don't know.

I think, I mean, I listen,

you're right.

I do.

I have great friends.

I myself am an artist, a

musician, and everything, and a comedian.

It would be terrible.

But at the same time, as a consumer, I think I'm full.

I think I'm good with music.

Like, I have no need for new music.

Some of the music, I hear new music is pretty convincing.

I don't know.

This isn't that, this isn't like when real people come out with music.

I'm like,

I don't know if I needed that.

I really liked the new Blur album.

I really enjoyed that.

It's not that new now, but it's like the newest album.

Oh, yeah, I listened to that.

It was good.

I was like, did you listen to it again?

Yeah, I listened to it quite often, actually.

Barbarian, specifically the song Barbarian's one of my favorite songs.

I'm listening to that a lot right now.

But yeah, I mean, listen, I'm just,

you know, I'm, of course, I'm exaggerating.

And Brian, and Brian, also, though, he's not engaging in this.

And the reason Timmy's not engaging in this conversation this bit or anything like that is because he, of course, as the listeners know, and they're all laughing right now, he, of course, got fooled by AI band to the point where he bought some of their merchandise.

Really?

It wasn't their merchandise.

It wasn't even their merchandise.

It was knockoff merchandise of an AI band that was a famous.

This is very early in the AI band thing.

It's a set of things.

It sounded really good.

It was great.

It sounded perfect.

He played it for us.

It was like a doo-op like my balls are.

It was like one of those.

The only part I'm embarrassed about is that for some reason, I found it funny when I heard it.

Like that part right there is like...

It's so embarrassing.

I swear he has a good sense.

Like Brian obviously has a good sense of humor and stuff.

And that was like a, that was a blind spot moment for him.

It wasn't like an indictment on his personality or whatever, but it was like,

I really could not believe that he

thought it sounded so good, Tim.

Because how often have you even done that with a band that you like that's a real band?

I haven't done it with a band.

Except for that one.

That's what I mean.

Like, this band

all of a sudden became your favorite band in the entire world.

And it turns out it was a fake band that was, you know, just like,

you know, goofing on the whole concept, really.

Guy goes, as with any smoking, risks go up with imbibing.

The stats show the risk to be minimal in a statistical sense.

In order for it to be zero for some,

it may be above average for others.

That's a weird way to describe it.

You may or may not be in a group at the extremes of averages.

Caveat emptor and all of that.

So he's just saying, like, the way he's just explaining, like, the way averages work is like, you still might not get it, but you still might.

Well, like, yeah, that's that's just kind of how it works in general.

Yeah,

this guy goes probably painting with a broad, this is a very cigar guy post here.

This is this is one that really displays them.

Probably painting with a broad brush, but I tend to look at people who enjoy fine cigars, fine wine, great coffee, hot women, fast cars, exotic travel, and the McRib sandwich to have a commonality.

They take calculated risks, weigh the good and bad, work as hard as they play, generally keep their vices to a certain level of moderation, and are normally in the upper level of intellectuality.

Is he saying that most of the people who like to make rib are known to be the smarter people in society?

Is that what he's saying?

They have an upper level of intellectuality.

Is this okay?

I can, yeah, sometimes we do have to wonder again.

I'm a little bit

skeptical sometimes of if the post is a very good thing.

I don't think this is fake.

He goes, of course, there are exceptions to the rule.

Plenty of athletes lighting up a cigar after a title.

Guys celebrating monumental moments with a cigar.

And guys in their golden years enjoying cigars.

Some applies to our sisters of the leaf.

They call themselves brothers of the leaf.

All around, funner to be around.

You probably could find a healthier hobby at 18.

Still can save yourself.

So that guy,

he did say, maybe don't start doing this.

Yeah, it's an older, an older person's thing.

That guy's kind of saying, this is what you do when you get older.

It is more of an an older person's thing as we discussed in the beginning that kind of at the end of a long work day sitting on your you know leather chair that's not something you do when you're 18.

so when are you finding the time to smoke the cigar when you're 18 even just with your buddies in your derby hat sitting around and nobody's enjoying it basically it definitely looks a lot better on an old older fella than a kid

it does i think seeing when you see like a uh like i i picture what I must have looked at, like, the first time I smoked one when I was like a teenager.

When you're like 15 or 16 years old and you're puffing on a cigar, you have to look so stupid.

Oh, it's so dumb.

Yeah.

Kids, teenagers should be smoking cigarettes.

That's

then I told you about the time I was smoking a cigarette at the mall and the guy.

I was like 12.

I was smoking a cigarette at the mall and the guy was like, his kid was sitting there and he was like, don't look at him.

He's not cool, which is false because I'm very cool.

I made a mistake smoking when I was a teenager.

I mean, many mistakes smoking.

One was

like, I had a job as a bus boy at a diner family restaurant place, and I would, I was eating my meal and smoking while I was eating my meal.

And

the old, the old

haggard waitress or somebody, you know, is just like, oh, honey, you do, you smoke after you eat.

You don't eat terrain in your meal, you know?

It's like explaining to me like the rules of life, you know, but I'm like, oh, I don't know.

I don't know what I'm doing here.

I did the same thing.

I like would get pancakes at this place and just sit and smoke while I'm eating them.

And then, yeah, somebody was like, gross.

It's, yeah, they're like, you can't even taste the food.

Like, what are you doing?

And I was like, I don't know.

I'm just busy smoking.

I just

want to be smoking all the time.

I love these things.

But yeah, smoking like while you're eating is so rare.

You'd like never see, you don't even see it in like movies to show a haggard guy, you know?

Yeah, it's really a bad, it's really a crazy move.

It's, yeah, I mean, because it makes, it makes it hard to taste stuff, even just smoking in general.

But I would imagine, yeah, doing it well, you wouldn't, you actually wouldn't taste any of your meal at all.

There'd be no way.

So I found this website called room101cigars.com.

I'm going there right now.

You'll love it.

You guys are going to love this.

They do descriptions of the cigar.

So the room 101 farce, that's the name of the cigar farce.

Behold the first solo project from the kids at room 101.

Prepare to receive maximum pleasure overload as glorious flavors cascade over your palate, diddling your receptors in a fashion you cannot deny.

You don't like the word diddling.

Well, they're doing like they're trying to be this is chive-coded almost.

Yeah, they're doing, they're doing that.

This is like people trying to be like young and hip cigar guys, kind of, but also mixing in the sort of cigar kind of

farce is a

room 101 and Matt Booth are back in business.

Following a short exit from the cigar industry, Room 101 has once again stepped up its game.

And after the successful collabs with industry icons AJ Fernandez and Robert Caldwell on hit and run, and the T launched its first solo project, Farce.

And this is just the start.

And then you click on the story.

Yeah.

I'm sorry if you guys were already going over this, but this is a big story.

I think this is, yeah, Brian's now going to tell us more specifically about Farce, but I'm glad to hear that Matt Booth.

I did not know that they left the industry.

I wonder

what kind of shady shit happened.

The guy that had to leave the cigar industry is probably doing some bad things.

It goes, Farce is a gorgeous and sophisticated multi-country of origin blend, handbuilt with pride and partnership with the artisans of William Ventura.

So

William Ventura, tobacco Atelier in the Dominican Republic.

Can I read you guys the top four, you know, the menu items at the top of room, like for the website here?

Yes, please.

He got home about cigars, where to buy,

conspiracy, and then contact.

What do you think I'm going to click?

I'm clicking right on.

Oh, it says, sorry, we don't have any

post at the moment.

Come on,

that's the conspiracy.

So, so they have a section on just like to let you know that at some point we will be making some conspiracy posts on here.

Likewise,

why not even, or maybe this, maybe the conspiracies got proven true.

Maybe they had some up there, but they got proven true.

Right.

And then so they removed them.

They were,

yeah, they were now, they're now just news stories.

That's really

farcemadoro says, look at me.

The visual of my decadent and oily wrapper triggers a salivary response within your mouth hole.

A brilliant spring of neurotransmitters rushes from your midbrain and dives headfirst into your bloodstream.

At the nanosecond, your eyes make contact with my succulent and inviting exterior.

Get them out of the industry again.

I want them back out of the industry.

Also, at the bottom of the page, there's a Surgeon General warning, but I'm curious about this because it's just one specific thing.

It's tobacco use increases the risk of infertility, stillbirth, and low birth weight.

I wonder if they're like, you have a menu options where you're like, you got to put one of these up here.

Mine says cigars are not a safe alternative to cigarettes.

So I think it's a randomizer, yeah.

Not a safe alternative to what is a safe alternative to cigarettes?

So what does that mean?

It means you shouldn't, it's the same as cigarettes.

Oh, okay.

That's what they're trying to say.

They're basically saying that it's I mean, not the guys on Cigar Asylum.

They were telling me recently.

This guy goes,

I had a neighbor once who was 95, smoked cigarettes around the clock, drank beer, and was in great health.

He would even walk down the hill to the grocery store and lug all his groceries back uphill.

I'm sure we can all cite examples like this.

I can't, by the way.

Even George Burns, who had like 15 cigars every day

and smoked for 70 years, I don't think he had 15 cigars every day.

That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, just because you saw him with a cigar in his mouth every time doesn't mean he was always smoking them.

He just, when he went on stage, he did it.

Yeah.

He goes, on the other, this is a great.

This is one of these guys so perfect.

On the other side of the coin, I had a coworker who was in perfect health, ate only healthy foods, went to the gym, then tragically died of brain cancer.

Also had another co-worker who is in a perfect health, went to the gym, ate healthy, then tragically died in a skiing accident.

Sure.

So

there's some logic to all that.

You can't predict.

You know,

you can do everything right and still get hit by a piano from

above.

But I heard this kind of interesting factoid, and this probably pertains more to cigarettes than cigars, but it was again, this, this is just somebody said, I don't know if this is true, but they're like when you smoke you know you're the risk of cancer increases it doesn't it's not an inevitable inevitability the risk of it you you very well might not get cancer but the risk uh rises but emphysema is a is an inevitable inevitability oh you will you will get it if you smoke enough for a long for a long period of time you will get that if you smoke uh you know the frequency is enough and the time is enough That will be the result.

Yeah, I mean, that, that, that would make, I know that that's like a, such a common thing to happen in smokers, and it would make sense.

You just, just in like somebody who's like, yeah, managing to smoke enough cigarettes, so either so many,

like 15 cigars a day or whatever, or just for so long.

So then that would mean George Burns had to have gotten it.

I don't think he died of cancer, but I don't remember.

Emphysema.

He would have emphysema.

No, he probably had emphysema.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But if he's cigars, cigars might not leave.

I mean, the cigars, because you're not inhaling, maybe the emphysema risk is low.

I mean, that is probably, it's probably, I don't know how much better, but yeah, that's why they have to put the warning now I'm thinking of to say, because I think probably a lot of the people smoking cigarettes are like, oh, get off of cigarettes by smoking cigars.

They do the same thing, but I think that has moved to vape.

I think people who say they're going to get off cigarettes start vaping.

Have you seen Billy Joel?

Have you seen Billy Joel with the vape cigar?

Yeah.

absolutely.

Because I looked up vape cigars

because I never could get into vaping.

Like, I just like cigarettes so much that it was like, it doesn't,

it's not the same thing, and they can't make it taste and feel the same way.

And it's, it has to be.

It has to be more just as unhealthy as cigarettes.

It is so

in the era where like, because there was that period of time where the doctor was like, you know, are you having trouble breathing?

Smoke a couple cigarettes and stuff like that.

We're in that era where they're like, ah, vaping, it's safer than cigarettes, but haven't done a lot enough studying to know if it's actually.

And you're inhaling something.

Like, I can't think of a thing.

And again, if they made vitamin cigarettes or something like that, I would love that.

That would be great.

But I can't think of anything that you inhale that could possibly be good for you.

Like an inhaler.

Yeah, an inhaler.

Here's Doomsayer off cigar room 101.

It's the end of days is upon us.

The nothing is barreling down on life as we know it.

We stand in its path powerless.

They all talk like the whiskey guys.

The whiskey guys all talk this way as well.

Like, they just have this certain way of speaking.

Like, yeah, like they're just like, I'm a little bit more sophisticated of a person.

Yeah, he goes, only but a stitch in time ago one might have funneled, trundled down to MacArthur Parkway and copped a crispy new set of identification to include but not limited to a birth certificate, driver's license in the state of your choosing, and social security card, perhaps even a passport, so that one might slip away to a foreign land that carried a light to non-existent hands in matters of extradition.

This my deal tobacco, this my dear tobacco files is no longer an option.

In light of certain and final doom, I do not offer any solutions nor salvation.

I offer you escapism in the form of a value premium cigar placed gingerly into your suckhole, ignite, and consume.

I was reading the, I couldn't, because like, I don't know how I ended up on this page.

I think somebody was talking about how poetic and very cool the things are, but that it doesn't help me at all.

This is on room 101 cigars?

Yeah, yeah.

Their cigar, if you took the cigar through.

Or this isn't a forum post.

This is like an actual cigar.

No, this is a guy that I'm trying to figure out, because

I just read you guys a few.

I am wondering if this is chat GPT.

And they said.

Yeah, I see this now.

So they have these little descriptions by their different cigars.

And they're written.

This one at least appears to be written as if it's the cigar talking.

Oh, yes,

genetic.

It says,

I want to be in your mouth.

I am smooth, creamy, and delicious.

My secret weapon is personality.

I'm sophisticated and filled with surprises.

Now, there are seven additional sentences here.

The cigar is like talking so horny to me.

It's crazy how the cigar is just like being so sexual.

I guess.

You might wake up somewhere and have no idea how you got there, but this is why I attract you.

Taste my adventure.

Oh, my God.

Oh,

I don't know if it, because it doesn't have the signpost of chat GPT.

It doesn't have like the punctuation.

Although a guy could have gone through and removed the weird punctuation that that

was GPT things.

Because then the other ones are not like the Farce Nicaragua says a medium-bodied smoke with noticeable notes of earth, spice, coffee, and cedar.

So the other ones are just normal, and then there's the one that's just like

the cap.

And I am the horny cigar.

And he's like, he like somehow become like.

And some of them are all caps.

Some of these are all caps.

Oh, Payback Maduro.

You were looking at Doomsayer.

I see.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Payback Maduro does just say, fanciful delights await you.

Come this way, friend.

Step inside.

Maybe the guy that writes these was off.

One week and they were like, we're going to need a few descriptions.

And he's like, I don't fucking know what to do.

I guess I'll just do something in all caps because then, right after that, you got Payback Connecticut, where it says, strap on your smoking boots and blaze up a Randy Connecticut shade cigar from the Time Band.

It's at room 101.

So, this is another horny cigar.

Yeah.

Strap on.

Yeah, amazing.

So, this is a cigar company that just sells cigars online.

Is that what they do?

Okay.

I got it.

You know what?

The vibe I get from it is the same vibe I got from the playing card guys, except for they're like way more expensive.

Because when we looked at the playing card guys, they kind of had the same aesthetic and stuff like that.

But the most expensive deck of playing cards is like $25.

How much are these cigars?

How much are these cigars?

How much are these cards?

They don't put the price on the site, which is

not a good sign.

An indicator.

Yeah, well, I mean, because this is just the site, like, for the cigars, you can go to a cigar lounge and buy one.

Oh, I see.

So they don't sell them online.

They sell sell them to stores and then sell them online.

They have a list of all the cigar shops that

they work with.

I'll have to get in there.

This guy asks a question that often guys ask, your spouse, I feel that this is a rarely asked question, which, by the way, it's not at all for any hobby.

But as a new Stogie smoker, I have to say I'm appalled at how much my significant other dislikes my weekly smoke.

Oh, God.

Sorry, I just thought of how horrible this is on because the other ones, it's like, oh, my husband is spending so much money on his guitars.

That's annoying.

But my husband is spending so much money on cigars.

And then he's coming up to me and being like, oh, you want to kiss, honey?

And he's like,

stinky ass fucking cigar smoke around all the time.

Think about like the difference between that and like the vision I have of like Archie Bunker or there's this movie Scarecrow with Gene Hackman and Al Pacheu.

Where these guys that just have like the cigar always in their mouth, like even when it's not lit.

That's like another kind of guy where it's just like that guy doesn't, that guy like doesn't really exist anymore.

Like the guy, that's not a thing anyone does, I don't think.

Because

it stinks too bad.

Like it's one of those, like I really think the smell has a lot to do with it.

That like as a society, people started like cigarettes as well.

You don't see them smoked very much because people are just kind of like, they don't want you around anymore if you stink like that.

And I think if you're walking around with a stogie in your mouth, everyone's just kind of like, I don't want to be anywhere near that person.

Well, it's, yeah, it's the, it's, we talk about this with Lars for Metallica.

It's like, this guy walks around with a fucking toothpick in his mouth all day.

That's just a, you don't see anybody even using toothpicks anymore.

No, really?

I use toothpicks.

I like those wooden

tea tree toothpicks.

Oh, yes.

Those are nice.

I'm talking like the ones at the, you know, when you go to the restaurant, you're like leaving and they have them on a thing.

You're walking around with it all the way in your mouth.

It's a very strange.

They make nicotine toothpicks now.

Oh, I wonder if that's what Lars has.

I wonder if that's why Lars always has them now.

That would sort of might make sense because I don't, you know, it seems like an old rock and roll guy could.

What about this whole thing where it feels like on the right,

especially like in the manfluencer world, there

does feel like there is this health trend about nicotine where there's people doing Zins.

Like you see RFK Jr.

with his Zin pack.

And there's like, you know, I've seen these videos where like a little bit of nicotine, like a controlled amount of nicotine is very good for your brain.

But getting back to 50s health, I think, is like the 1950s, 40s, 50s kind of health when it was

COVID.

When it was the healthiest kind of time, it really does feel weird to,

yeah, it feels like we kind of got past that, but I guess things do go in cycles and they like come back or whatever.

But it feels like that one was, you know, we're like, hey,

nicotine's kind of like bad, and we should try to sort of push that out of society.

It feels like we kind of did it, but you're right.

It is back.

It's back.

Nicotine is bad.

You think it's settled science, and then a guy will be, I think I saw a guy on YouTube talking about how like it wakes your brain up.

It makes you smarter and quicker.

And like, I get it's it is a stimulant.

Yeah.

I mean, nicotine, I mean, I think we should say like nicotine isn't inertly bad.

It's like caffeine.

It's like not great.

It's not

good for you, but it's probably, it's the other things in it's the but it's just really addictive.

That's the thing that about it, right?

Is that it's really addictive and then addictive, yeah.

Right.

And then and then you, and then they put in all those other horrible things.

So there's the thing that's addictive.

Yeah, this is like a thing that was settled when I was a kid, I feel like.

But yeah, it feels like.

Well, I think it's like, I think it is addictive, but I think what they did, the brilliant move they did, was convince everybody that it is more addictive than it is.

And so the fear of quitting and the fear of stopping is more than the biological, physiological aspect of the addiction.

Oh, they've already, you already feel like you've lost the bat.

You're never going to

bother.

It's too hard to quit.

It's too hard to quit.

And it's easy to maintain without cigarettes now, too.

Like when I quit,

I got super lucky.

Like I was smoking, I was smoking a cigarette one day walking.

It made me feel nauseous.

I threw the pack in the trash and haven't smoked since then,

which is crazy.

I've said before, I smoked cigarettes when I was younger and like into my 20s, and then I just stopped drinking.

And it was very easy to cut cigarettes out at that time when I was just like, okay, I'm not going to drink anymore.

And it was like so heavily associated with drinking.

So I was just like, I guess I'll just get rid of that as well while I'm at it.

When I was on tour is when I smoked.

Like when I was like away from my wife and we'd be out doing live shows, it's so easy to like I would just stand out be it like I don't know what to do when I'm waiting to go on stage, so I would just stand behind the place and smoke cigarettes all night and then go up and do the thing and then stand outside and smoke more.

They would taste so gross to me now, though, if I tried to do that.

I think like it's been so long since I smoked a cigarette that I remember even the time, like when I would try to get back into it, that first one that you smoke, it's like has this really horrible taste to it, And it just like

what are you holding there in your hand?

Oh, this is a this is vape.

Yeah, same thing.

But it's it's weed vape.

It's a weed vape.

I don't know.

I don't, I don't, uh, vape nicotine or whatever.

Well, the guy goes, I've tried all the tools.

She just won't get on board with it.

I'm an honest person, and guilt plays a large role in my life.

Unfortunately, I'm just curious, is there anyone who has changed their partner's mind about smoking cigars?

It seems to be nearly impossible not to get into your personal life or anything.

Yeah, it really does feel like one of those ones that she's not going to change her mind on.

You're not all of a sudden going to like show her if she thinks it's disgusting and awful.

It's not going to be one day where she's just like, well, that one actually smells quite good.

Could I have a little, a little puffer on that one?

Like, it feels like it's over.

There is a guy in here that says something like,

I can't find him now.

But this guy says, from my experience, persist and she'll get over it.

My wife told me cigars equals no sex because of the smell on my breath and beard.

I went for a while not smoking.

Then she was around when she was around to keep sex options open.

It didn't happen all that much anyway.

Now I smoke one every day and just let her get hornier.

Refer to the Kipling poem.

Oh, yes.

I bet she's just trembling with horniness as you fucking smoke your disgusting stogies in the backyard.

He was just kind of waiting around.

He goes, goes, Uh, my wife wants this guy, says, My wife once used to hate it, and now she tolerates it.

Once she saw, I kept it in moderation, I probably smoke two to four times a week, and it wouldn't take time away from her.

I only smoke when she isn't home on nights where she's tired and we really don't have something to do together.

She started tolerating it more.

I only smoke outside, and I always shower after and put my smoking clothes in the washing machine to be washed my next month.

After a few months, she started complaining less and even bought me a humidor and some sticks for Christmas.

She sees now that it's a hobby, not a habit, and supports it.

Well, yeah, what is a humidor again?

Like, I always get confused about that.

It's like a drawer.

Yeah, it's like a, or a drawer, or you can, because they call them Tupper doors, Tupper doors, where you can use a Tupperware to do it, but like, you somehow manage to keep it at a temperature and then moist in the room.

Yeah.

Oh, because it can't dry out, right?

That's the worst thing that can happen to a stick is if it dries out.

But it's not a room, like it's there are obviously rooms that are built to be humidors, but people like this.

This guy just has like a little box to put his cigar in.

Yeah.

Or there's like a thing that looks like one of those bedroom,

one of those refrigerators they have at hotels that are like...

Oh, yeah, like a

clear-windowed one.

Yeah, I have seen those.

I've seen those for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

This guy says, my wife is not a fan, but she's come a long way since I started.

From trying to discourage me from ever doing it to suggest I have a stick after a rough workday is a significant process.

She hates the smell, but we'll tolerate it more now.

Sorry, suggesting I have a stick after how that did how that conversation goes.

It's like he is like...

enraged like smashing things around like honey honey why don't you why don't you have a stick why don't you settle down and have a stick you know like that's how i'm imagining it Yeah, it is.

So many of these guys say,

one of the guys, I can't find him now, but he said that his wife, he's like, I find it disgusting that my wife watches television.

So he's like, I don't like TV, so I go smoke cigars.

And I'm like,

that's a totally different fucking thing than that.

But like, you can see them attacking.

Because that's what will happen a lot of times.

Even with like the guitar guys and stuff like that, they're just immediately like, you can't tell me what to do.

Like, it's super defensive, super difficult.

They get really defensive and start like attacking, like, well, you buy this, this, and this handbags, and hair straighteners, and all of this stuff.

So, like, you know, just tell her that, tell her that if she tries to say anything about it, it's like this incredible defensiveness because I think a lot of them know that, like, hey, this is a pretty selfish way to spend the family's money.

Uh, and in some cases, maybe money that needs to go elsewhere, and they have this guilt about it, right?

Yeah, yeah, I mean, and and if I don't, I think, like,

cigars is a very like,

like you said, it's smelly.

And like the process of getting the smell to a place where you can then sit next to somebody that you're married to

is

really a weird like thing.

Like it's cigars are such

it's unique.

It's unique in that way that it's like not just a hobby that like drains the wallet.

It's like really sort of invasive in someone else's life.

If you live with a cigar smoker who's like obsessed with it, you're just constantly smelling that shit all the time.

And if you don't like it, it must fucking suck.

Which this guy, an Ohio brethren, says, wife doesn't know, or at least I don't think she does.

I only smoke when she, she knows.

This guy is like a teenager.

Like a teenager being like, yeah, my mom was like, didn't even know I was fucking smoking weed or drunk or anything.

Yeah.

I shower immediately after and change clothes.

Also only smoke outside.

Crafted a small ventilation system just for me or went golfing or fishing.

Building a ventilation system.

I could see golf.

Actually, you know, you bring up something.

I don't really golf.

I mean, I have golfed in the past, but I could see a golf and a cigar seems like a nice pairing.

That's a huge thing that happens.

If you ever go, I do golf sometimes, and when you're out on the golf course, you'll see a lot of cigars.

And yeah,

you're outside then.

It's a good place to do it for sure.

hey can i share a quick cigar story that just happened to me and i do i'm sorry i do have to run oh no problem yeah

um just because it just happened and i would love your take on it but uh i just

did this movie down in arkansa and uh

It was

a good experience.

Everybody was very nice.

The producers were very nice, but they were fairly young and kind of inexperienced, I think.

And at the last, so we were shooting, it was a horror movie, and we were shooting it almost entirely nights.

So we'd shoot from like six to six in the morning.

And my last day went from it was like a Monday night, 6 p.m.

till 6 a.m.

And then I had to get home because I was doing something else.

And I had a flight booked for like two o'clock in the afternoon that

day.

So rapping at 6 a.m.

And as I'm like an hour before I'm about to wrap, the producer came up and he's like, hey, we got wanted to give you a little sing, you know, oftentimes you get a little gift or something.

So I get this gift box, and it's a

now.

I've already packed, you know, I've already like

my suitcase is packed, it's back in the hotel.

My plan is like go home to the hotel, sleep for like three hours, and then get up and go to the airport and get home.

And he gives me a bottle of McKellen scotch in the box,

not even Pappy,

and

a t-shirt,

like a nice, like a nice

water container thing, like a

and you know, like a Yeti or something like that, and a loose cigar, just one cigar.

They're expensive.

You buy a whole box of them, yeah,

they probably got one box and they divvied it up for the cast, right?

They took, they got one box and they gave each of you one cigar.

Like, should we get each cast member a box?

And I don't, I mean, it was just so like, I appreciated it, of course, and I thanked him profusely.

And, you know, you don't, oh, you don't.

And also, you don't have to, you're paying me to be here.

Like, you know, I don't need gifts, you know, like, yeah.

I don't like getting, I don't love, I don't like getting gifts because it's like, usually, I don't want the thing you're giving me, you know.

But it's, it's a nice problem to have, whatever.

I know you can, people rolling their eyes.

But the main thing was, is like,

well, the main thing was like, I don't know what to do with this cigar.

I don't know what to do with this bottle of scotch because like I don't want to pack it in my suitcase because I'm worried it's going to bust open and and get scotch all over all my clothes.

And I don't want to, I don't know, everything was packed already and tight.

It was all where it's supposed to be.

And I gave the cigar to a PA as I was leaving.

I'm like, do you want this, dude?

I don't really smoke cigars.

He's like, sure, yeah, thanks.

And then I gave the scotch to the hotel.

I gave it, I left it with a note and, you know,

along with my tip.

I was just like, hope you can enjoy this bottle of water.

That's kind of nice.

That is a nice gift to leave for a hotel staff who presumably do, they live in the area.

You know what I mean?

They're just going to be able to bring it up.

When you're traveling, it's like, yeah, don't give people gifts when they're traveling.

Cause it's like,

you've already got all this crap with you, and it's too hard.

But there was a period of my life where I think there was more Christmas gifts exchanged amongst friends.

And like,

maybe

when I was a little more active in like TV and production and stuff, there would be like gifts.

It felt like, I don't know, it's kind of gone away for whatever reason.

But there was a period of time where I would like get a bottle of scotch for around Christmas from some ad agency or a network or something.

And

so I just have all these bottles of scotch they have no interest in ever doing anything with.

So that was the other thing.

I looked at this bottle like, eh, I don't know.

What am I, where is this going to go?

Yeah.

I got to put it with my other non-drinking scotch.

You just hope somebody comes over where you're like, hey, do you like scotch?

Yeah.

Would you like a pint glass full of scotch.

Would you like some of my Metallica scotch?

They put it up against the barrel.

They played Metallica up against the barrels.

We learned about that.

There's Metallica Scotch where they played.

Just before you do, you're running right now, Tim.

It is very, very important contractually for me just to mention before you go that Brian, when he was younger, had a chance.

He was hooking up with a girl.

Oh, hey, come on.

Instead of having sex with her, he just sucked on her boobs for three hours straight.

So, yeah.

That's the safe.

That's just, you know, that's the those are the back in the good old AIDS days, and you know, everyone was worried about AIDS, and that seems like the smart move.

Hey, Tim,

people I respect.

I tell anytime we have a bigger guest on the show, I always bring up that story.

And I'll tell you what, I want to give you credit for you're the first person who has brought up the AIDS.

Thanks so much for coming on.

All right, guys.

Good chatting with you.

Talk to you later.

Bye.

Chris, we can't end after an hour.

Yeah, we're Tim, obviously, he could only do an hour, but

we know

y'all would not accept a one-hour episode.

And quite frankly, we have more posts to read.

It would probably make Tim look like if we just finished, because when you do an hour, 20 minutes, an hour, whatever, and then it just ends.

People are like, why did they only do an hour?

Yeah, they see on that.

But

we knew beforehand, obviously, Tim is

pretty busy and has a lot of stuff that he's doing.

And, you know,

we were able to get an hour to do it and even stayed a little bit longer than an hour.

But yeah, we're very grateful for that.

But we also, yeah, we want to give you a full-length episode also.

Let's read a few more of these spouse things.

This guy goes.

You know what made me laugh, by the way?

You guys couldn't hear this

because, well, you couldn't see this because you're only listening.

This isn't a video.

Like the bonus.

Is that when Tim, when i said tim have you ever smoked cigars are you a big cigar guy and he said yeah i'm a big cigar guy i collect cigars i did see a look on brian's face kind of go oh no

thinking for a second that he wasn't joking around because he does that he does that so well and he does that so well like and we had picked him because we thought he would have a good time we had picked it for him because we thought he would have a good time goofing on which he did obviously uh but yeah he when he did that bid in the beginning and said he was a cigar guy who had all kinds of different cigars, there was a look on Brian's face just like I saw it for one second where he was just like, oh, no.

Oh, no.

Well,

Helly MX says, I don't think it's give up one or the other.

There's lots of things my wife and I don't like that the other does.

Do we just give up our passions?

No.

Do we give up on each other?

No.

Marriage is often about compromise.

I compromised.

I gave up cigarettes to continue smoking cigars.

These guys, man.

I mean, I get.

And I guess, but is he just smoking cigars all the time?

Because if he's a cigarette smoker who's now put cigars in there, he's probably smoking the little cigars or whatever.

He's probably just smoking them constantly.

If you're in our cigars, you're not smoking the cigarellos for sure.

You're smoking

big old fucking cigars.

Yeah.

You like,

that's the thing.

It's like,

I'm going to get you, Chris, and I'll make this the picture for the episode too.

I'm going to show you this guy's cigar that I found a picture of and then said it was the same size as my penis.

So here we go.

And it is kind of pretty close.

To the size of your penis?

To the size of my penis.

Yeah.

It's getting there.

It's not quite there.

I can't see it still.

Oh, there you see it.

It's so skinny.

Your penis is longer.

Oh, my penis is fatter than that.

Okay, so you're because that, I would not want to have sex with someone who has a penis like that again.

We've discussed this, I think.

It's huge.

It's so long and so skinny.

Yeah, this is

skinny.

This is a camping cigar that the guy bought for his camping trip.

Yeah, he's just going to leave it lit

in the forest.

It's like having an incense.

It's like smoking incense.

Oh yeah, he sets it up on like a post so it's just like smoking in the center of the camp the entire time.

So even when he's not smoking it, you get to still smell that delicious

cigar smell.

Because I gave up.

He goes, we looked at the issue logically and came to a compromise.

If something you enjoy isn't hurting you or anyone else, there should be some sort of middle ground.

Guy replies and goes, right, I deplore television.

She has like 16 weekly shows.

We only have cable because of her.

So the deal is I get equal amounts of way time.

90% of that is in the garage where I smoke and do internet stuff.

I'm in the garage doing my internet stuff.

Yeah, I'm just on my Tor browser smoking cigars in the fucking garage.

It just sounds so like,

oh man, I'm just picturing that scene of him.

He's He's smoking these things inside.

Yes, any smoking shit inside, man.

Oh, I don't know.

I don't know.

I like this guy, a guy that is, I don't know if he's misjudging his wife.

I'm just saying he goes, I taught my wife about it and made it all, and it made all the difference.

I got her familiar with brands, names of cigars I like, types of tobaccos.

And now it's kind of a quiz when I smoke.

I'll ask who makes the dirty rat that I'm smoking, or I'll ask her why Legero is stronger and stuff like that.

Hmm.

So, and I would imagine his wife is what how do you think she's like totally into it on the same level?

If you don't smoke cigars, why would you give a fucking shit?

It's just one of those things where she's like, yes, honey, it's a Legero and it's a pretty strong cigar and it's got notes of.

You don't think this is a good...

You don't think this is a good

way of getting your wife involved in something.

I mean, not a way to solve the problem.

I would say it's not a way.

I just, like, for me, it's like

you're either going to do it or you're not.

You don't have to quiz your wife on it.

Like, the quizzing part is the part that I'm more annoying.

Now you've just made it more annoying for her.

She's like putting up with your shit.

And now she has these like, yeah, but who knows?

We don't know.

Maybe she does.

Maybe she wants like,

she just wants to have a connection with her partner, right?

Like an older couple, and then she's just like, oh, I just want to have stuff to talk about with you.

And yeah, I'll learn about your stuff.

Like, people do that with other stuff.

I bet you, again, I bet you wish that you picked something that doesn't stink so bad.

Yeah.

My significant other is not the biggest cigar fan, but she sees how happy I am when I'm smoking a stick, so she puts up with it.

I always buy her a sixer of cider when I know I want to sit out and have a cigar.

This keeps her busy while I smoke.

I'm sorry.

It feels like a child.

You know, I get her some cider.

She keeps her busy while I'm smoking, you know?

Yeah.

He goes,

six pack of cider.

I mean, that's like

just for one individual.

It's not tons of booze, but it's like a deep, you're getting drunk for sure.

Maybe.

I don't know if you're getting drunk.

Like, well, you're getting drunk.

Yeah, guys, it depends.

It depends on how quick.

I guess it depends on how much you drink.

Because if you drink tons and tons, then maybe that you have a huge tolerance.

But I think for most people, if they drank six ciders, they would get drunk.

So it's like it's not a small amount of booze.

No,

no, so yeah, it keeps her busy, keeps her busy.

So

she's drinking, watching her shows or whatever, and you're off smoking sticks in the garage.

That sounds like a

sounds like a pretty, pretty decent loveless marriage.

Let's go back to cigar or room 101 and read a few

reviews or things.

12th anniversary.

This is the room 101 12th anniversary, Chris.

To our family and friends who have supported us over the last 12 years, I want to say thank you.

I'm both honored and humbled by your belief and support of our brand.

Oh, this is a real one.

Fuck this.

I don't want that.

So they're being nice to their friends and family.

It seems like

it's probably one of those classic posts, like when you've done financial crimes and you're like, I just want to thank everyone who stuck behind.

I don't want to say that

they did financial crimes.

I don't know anything about it, but it just seems like the way they're like, we left the industry and they just, I don't know, the way they talk.

Well, let's

knock this out.

We have one more thing I wanted to look at.

If you don't finish a cigar in one go, how do you put it out and store it?

So we talked about this.

Yeah, this would be important to me because, again, these things are gigantic.

And wouldn't it make you sick?

Like, that's why I'm saying, man, it's like smoking 20 cigarettes.

It's like, but you got to have like, if you have some peanut MMs or a Coke there, then.

But what, and what do you do?

So this is, again,

a golf game is a good time because you're smoking over four hours.

You play it.

It takes you four hours to golf.

Does it?

Yeah.

Okay.

I didn't think it took that long.

I thought it was more of an hour and a half game.

No, no, no.

No.

It's a lot.

That's how much mini golf is.

Probably not that long.

Yeah, it's much different.

It's, I mean, have you ever played a real round of like 18 holes of golf?

I gave up.

I worked at a golf course once, and me and the boys went and tried to golf on a Monday while the course was closed.

We were allowed to do it.

Oh, God.

I can just, oh, I just picture you fucking idiots out there with your law, with your Danko jeans out there.

Just like.

You're picturing correctly.

Oh, yeah.

And just like so bad at it.

Yeah.

And so like destructive of

the area around you.

And were you guys, what, how many holes did you make it?

I think like four.

We were all hitting grounders and we were like, this is stupid.

Let's go do something else.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like if the ball doesn't go way up in the air, then then you're like, I'm not even getting this at all.

Like, I'm nowhere near this, you know?

So you would hit it and it would like skip across the ground and be like, damn, that's a long way to the hole from even there, you know?

And it just was taking so long.

We were like, you know what?

This isn't for us.

But I always assume when guys play it.

that know how to play it, you know, they get through that about an hour and a half.

No, it takes a long time.

And especially like if you're playing, you're going to get held up behind other people too.

You're gonna have to wait for them to take their shots.

It can take a long time, it can take like five hours to play around in golf.

It's ridiculous.

I don't like anything.

I don't like to do anything for five hours at all.

Yeah, it's a stupid game.

It's a stupid game, golf, no doubt about it.

It's like fun to play every now and then with your friends, but it is like

frisbee golf.

Froth, they call it.

Yeah, I'm familiar.

It's a good game.

If you don't finish a cigar at one go, how do you put it out and store it?

My solution has been to spit on the end of it.

Hey, that's my lady's solution, too, if you know what I mean.

Get it?

Talk to us.

Solution to what?

Dry penis.

This is my solution to dry penis.

Honey,

yeah, I'm dealing with DP again.

You think Doctor, My Wife could come in and

spit on that thing?

Spit on that thing.

Yeah,

you just sent me that Hogtua thing.

I had to explain to you that it's like,

it's like an older meme.

You're like, have you seen this Hogtua?

Oh, it's funny.

Hog to us.

Remember when, what's his name did it?

Greaseman did it?

Oh, man, I'm just scrolling through trying to find it as quickly as I can, you know?

Yeah, you got too many things on that soundboard.

Spit on, I think.

You know, spit-on, I think.

When I smoke it again, it's different, but not terrible.

I usually burn off the front centimeter or so that has my spit.

So this guy is actually spitting on the end of his cigar.

And then burning the spit off.

No.

Cutting it off, I think.

Oh, he cuts off the spit?

Yeah.

This guy goes, I put it out and throw it away unless it's a short break, like going to brew coffee, pouring another glass of bourbon, or a medium break, like taking a shit.

Damn, it'd take him longer to take a shit than it does to brew coffee.

Yeah, I mean, listen, also,

that doesn't necessarily have to be a break.

No.

Get yourself a man's bathroom in your man cave downstairs.

Get the men's bathroom.

Get a men's room at my house.

I've got a men's room at my house where I can smoke my stick anytime I fucking want.

Yeah, because

it's horrible if you put a men's room at your house because, like, that's one of the arguments that everybody has about, you know, public restrooms just being all gender or whatever.

It's like, well, you don't have a

gendered bathroom at your house, and then a guy's like, I do.

I smoke my cigarette.

I got a men's boy at my house.

There's Penthouse magazine and Playboys, and my wife ain't allowed in there.

Yeah, she comes in there.

I got all the Playboys and all the cigars you could ever want.

My wife's grandfather and I used to smoke together, and if he didn't finish it, he'd let it go out, then put it in his shoe and leave it outside.

Swears it tasted exactly the same the next day.

I never tested this method.

He was born and raised in the mountain of East Tennessee.

So who knows what goes on in those parts?

So he's like, say, yeah, oh, just to be clear, he was a mountain person.

Yeah.

So he was.

So that's why he was so stupid that he put the cigar in in his dirty shoe.

Yeah, just in case you're wondering why he did this really stupid thing.

He goes out of this guy goes out of curiosity.

Were his shoes all leather?

Which is a funny question.

If you're going to store your cigars in your shoe, make sure you have a leather shoe.

Well, this guy's kind of asking, like, oh, hang on, I have heard this.

Can I ask you, was it by chance an all-leather shoe?

Like, this is some other dumb fuck who's also heard this.

He goes, maybe in his younger years in the mountains, but recently they were just new balance.

So he's

putting his cigar in a pair of new balance shoes.

A fair 550s.

Just like it's sticking it in there.

That's, yeah, that's really cool because that is funny.

It does sort of seem like it might make sense if it was like in some old leather shoe.

It's obviously stupid either way, but putting it into just a running shoe.

Well, the guy that asked said there's no way I'd put them in tennis shoes, but my all-leather cowboy boots still smell only of leather, even after a lot of wear.

So that might actually work.

Get a little leather on that cigar.

So I guess that's a note that you taste in cigars is leather, maybe that's what they're saying.

Yeah, and then Smokey Pyro says, don't save cigars.

One day someone's going to come across one and put it back in your humidor trying to help, ruining everything in there.

If you can't finish, smoke a smaller cigar.

Ooh.

That is, if you can't finish, smoke a smaller cigar is a perfect way to end the show.

I mean,

what about if the if this

so what about those big, giant cigars, those like huge, big cigars, those are meant to be smoked just in one sitting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's like, isn't that just so much,

so much smoke and tobacco?

I guess that's why you're not inhaling it.

Yeah, yeah, you're not, you're not inhaling it.

But again, I owe in their mind, I think that's what makes it safe to them that they're not inhaling it.

But it is true that you are putting it in your mouth.

And

you know what I'm saying, right?

Put it in your mouth.

Why are you acting like this?

Put it to your mouth and suck it.

Tim's left now, and it's like

you felt like you're.

I'm going to be funny.

oh I had to be funny now I mean that's a horrible that's a horrible thing to say I mean no I can be funny no I I mean I know what you're saying because

you feel like you you obviously wouldn't want to do your sexual things you wouldn't put your tongue between your fingers

but I'm just saying you wouldn't do your famous sexual things like

right you wouldn't do your sexual things in front of him because you would be embarrassed to do them that's interesting but yeah yeah as soon as he's gone, then all of a sudden you're just like, oh, yeah,

yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Ho, ho, ho.

I also have that on here, but oh, wait, ho, ho.

Would have been funny if you did that to Tim.

It can't happen now because it's a different soundboard.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

So finally, let's just read a couple more of this.

The guy asking about health because I really enjoyed that.

This guy goes, so the young man asking if cigars will fuck your health up from earlier in the show, I had a few more posts from that.

He goes, yes, it's harmful to you.

So are cigarettes and booze, but you know what?

They taste great.

You only live once.

Don't miss out on anything you want to do.

You don't get a second chance to do it all over again.

But you can get more time to do it.

It's not a second chance, but it kind of is.

If you're talking about somebody who's doing all this stuff that kills them at the age of 50 versus somebody who lives to 90, that it almost is like a second chance.

Yeah, and he goes two a week isn't a problem.

Although, if you do get cancer, there isn't too much proof the cigars did it.

There's always stories of that 95-year-old four-pack a day smoker in perfect health.

You really need to decide this one for yourself.

All of us can only give you the go for it because we do.

It's enjoyable.

And if I do get mouth cancer, so be it.

Yeah, it's like you just got to figure it out for yourself.

There's the like anecdotal evidence that

from old wives' tales or the

you know

millions of fucking academic papers proving that it's actually super, super bad for you and very harmful for your health.

You just really have to decide.

You have to take both of the sides and decide for yourself.

Yeah, both sides have some good things.

goes,

we got to be both sides saying

this cigarette issue, no doubt.

He goes, Edit, frankly, having sex has its own set of risks.

You take that risk because does anyone really want to be a virgin forever?

I don't think so.

Just saying, life is a risk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's true.

I mean, have you ever, I was going to say, but it's sex is like this incredible feeling, but then I remember the feeling of the first time Pappy hit my lips lips while I was smoking a big fat Cuban cigar $750,000 stick that was when I was puffing when I was pufferating on my big stick when I was puffering on my big stick and imbibing on my Pappy Van Winkle 1978

whiskey I thought to myself

man

I really am a fucking,

I really am the man.

Yep.

I still think about myself with that.

I think about myself with that cigar in my mouth, with the derby hat on, standing outside, just making myself fucking sick.

And then a guy stepped on my derby hat and I was like, I should fuck you up.

But he would have beat me up.

But I said it anyway, just because it was like.

You were so sick.

You're feeling so physically sick and angry.

You're like, you know, you fucked up the, you know, you fucked up the whole like bachelor party.

I did.

I did.

Cause I bought all this stuff that, like, because there were like no strip clubs.

So he couldn't go to a strip club.

So I had to.

And again, I wasn't even the best man.

I was just another guy.

I'm sure Aaron was the best man.

Wait, no, Aaron was not my friend at this time.

He was not the best man.

It was somebody else

that somebody close to me was like, oh, I'm going to get married.

And I was like, they were like, we'd rather have Brian throw the party, which that makes perfect fucking sense because I am a party animal.

Yeah, so and but then you kind of blew it with the cigar.

In that moment, you're feeling like I'm blowing it with the cigars, and then that guy steps on your derby hat.

Why was your derby hat on the ground?

It fell off my head because they don't have like a, they don't stay on your head like a fitted hat.

You know what I mean?

And I don't think it fit me.

I don't know how it's supposed to feel on your head if it fits you.

So it fell off of your head onto the ground.

He might have slapped it, and then he might have slapped the thing and it fell on.

I hated the guy so much.

I don't know why.

Which one of your bullies was this?

It wasn't one of my bullies, and I didn't have bullies, but it wasn't one of my friends.

What was his name?

He was another person at the party.

What was his name, though?

I don't, what was his name?

I don't remember.

He's like my brother.

He's like a long-lost guy.

Like, he was horrible.

He's a long lost guy.

He was horrible.

And he was married to

a long lost brother or a long lost father.

I've never seen him.

Somebody who was just a long lost guy.

Long lost guy.

He was married to somebody who was tangentially related to me.

And he was like, because it was my brother's wedding.

He had no family.

He was just a long, lost guy.

No, he was

kind of.

But yeah,

I bought some scotch, which I don't drink and don't like and didn't drink at the time.

Like,

I don't drink.

So I bought a bunch of cigars and I was like, let's go to a steakhouse.

have a real man's dinner.

So I went and bought myself like a button-up shirt and a derby hat.

And I, you know, kind of wore my jeans.

And

I don't remember what the button-up shirt was, but I wore that all out.

And I should have, when I got back to the apartment, because everybody was so drunk, I probably should have put my fedora on instead of the derby because the fedora stayed on my head a little bit better and it was still classy.

So

that's sort of a casual, like that sort of business casual.

Yeah.

Again, derbies don't stay on your head.

I don't, I've said that about cowboy hats too.

I've been like,

I've been saying it for years.

I would love to get a cowboy hat.

I just don't know how they fit.

And now I'm like.

Buddy, get a cowboy hat, man.

I honestly, like, I'm not saying this because

I'm not saying this because I think it would be the funniest thing ever if you showed up on a Guy's Plus episode

wearing a big cowboy hat.

I'm saying it because I honestly think you would look fantastic in a cowboy hat.

I think

if you want to wear one, you should definitely get one, man.

I got to get the most expensive.

I got to get a $600 cowboy hat.

Can you imagine, though, if

we got to stop talking about it now and then just one day take the plunge, man, and get the cowboy hat and then just wear it on an episode or a stream?

Just go for it, man.

If that's

who you want to be, then just you got to go for it.

Yes, I want to be a cowboy, baby.

I definitely want

to make a cowboy vibe.

You're serious when you say you want to buy a cowboy hat.

I know that that's not a joke because you also

like cowboy vibe.

Yeah, you have when you dress up, right?

We've discussed that before.

When you dress up, you wear, you go with cowboy

formal.

Yeah, I put on a cowboy shirt and then I have

jeans.

I have raw denim Levi's.

Raw denim.

And yeah.

I have a pair of Red Wing Iron Ranger boots.

And

the only, I think, weak part of my game

is the fitted hat.

Like, the fitted new era looks a little weird with the rest of that outfit.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

But then I can't really take it off because my head looks absurd.

Like, it's a good thing.

Because you wear it all the time.

So you wear the hat all the time, so you're all tanned.

And then it's the summertime, and your head is not.

So what you need to do is get that head out, tan that head.

I don't want to do that.

First of all, it would

require seasoning.

What?

You got to season yourself.

Like the first time you get your head sunburnt, you're like, oh, I don't think I want to deal with having a sunburnt head ever again.

Oh, yeah, you got to get it sunburned, I guess.

It won't just, it won't just tan nicely.

Yes.

But it would be cool.

You would look cool as hell.

You would look cool as hell, I think.

I think, here's the thing.

I think you're just saying that because you don't think I should go buy a cowboy hat so you can make fun of me.

Oh, that part, absolutely.

No, no, I mean, you would look cool if you had a tanned head.

Like, you know, your head shape is good.

Your head shape is good.

So, if you're tanned your head, then you were just like, hey, you have a beard and then the bald tanned head.

I honestly think that it would look good.

Like, your aesthetic would look good.

It just feels weird having my head out.

Of course.

Of course.

It's been like two decades at this point where it's like

you're wearing.

Well, not two decades because I started wearing these these probably in like 2017.

And before that, I was wearing all kinds of messages.

I think you should wear a cowboy hat.

I honestly do think that you don't have to wear it on the stream or whatever, but you should get yourself a cowboy.

But why do you like

a cowboy hat?

Because I know you're making fun of me.

Who fucking cares, anyways?

I live in Canada.

It doesn't even matter.

And I make fun of

most everything.

but no, I honestly think if you look, if you want to get a cowboy, I'm just curious what, like, why that aesthetic, where did you pick up that aesthetic?

Because you obviously did not.

Because I think cowboys are cool.

And no, I didn't grow up where cowboys were.

No, of course.

Like,

I went to Kansas a couple times, and my stepdad had a cowboy aesthetic.

That's the other hat I used to wear.

That's right.

One of those.

The Shea Guevara.

Yeah, I went to Shea Guevara hat for a period of time.

And yeah, that also now is embarrassing to me.

It's like, just

get a cool minor league base.

Just in on Google, just put in cool cowboy hat and just like...

I feel like

you just don't want to get a big one.

You don't want to get one that's too big, I think, or flashy.

If you just get a low-key one, I think.

Like if I, because I want to dress, I'll show you what I want to dress like.

Like, Like, I'll show you what I wish I looked like.

Now,

I'll go ahead and.

I'm interested in this.

You guys won't see this, but I'll describe it.

This is the style that I'm trying to get.

Okay, so it's a denim shirt.

It's cool.

First off, it's like...

The guy's a real handsome, chiseled-jaw kind of guy.

Just like me.

Look at this guy.

There's a guy right there.

So you want to look.

I mean, this is a full-on cowboy with like a belt buckle and a cowboy hat.

And so you, you like that look.

Do you, do you, do a lot of people dress like that around where you live?

Or would you kind of just

live in the south at all?

If you, yeah, I know, but if you walked around like that, if you suddenly started walking around like that, do you think it would be like

it might make the news or something?

I don't think it would.

Yeah, the guy that wanders around town all the time.

Hey, you know, the guy who wanders

in a lot.

So local wanderer is a cowboy now.

The headline in the local news.

Local wandering man is now a cowboy.

I am.

I want to be one, but I can't.

You know, it's not.

I don't look like one.

I don't dress.

That's just if...

If I had to go to a fancy event.

I understand.

I would rather wear clothes that kind of look like a cowboy wears them than wear like whatever a suit i wear a suit i would i would wear a suit yeah i don't own a suit and i'll never own a suit i have a bunch of cowboy shirts and some really cool jeans

and i think i show up

again i should get a hat but i'm not going to you got to man well i i did it i did it with the derby i did it with the fedora and i just know that it's buddy when you come when you come when you come here we'll go cat we'll go cowboy hat shopping we'll send it back home to you.

Honestly, when you're here.

Cowboy hat shopping.

We'll go cowboy hat shopping.

Why not?

We'll go find a good cowboy hat.

In fact, I don't know, man, fucking cowboy vibes at the corn show could be a pretty cool.

I don't

work either.

I mean, you imagine they do a live stream of the show and you're fucking, you know, you're rail riding and they're like, holy shit, who's the lonesome cowboy?

You know, they start calling you the lonesome cowboy.

Come on.

All right, we're going to get out of here.

I'm not going to be a cowboy.

Hey, if you like this and you want to hear more

of me and Chris just fucking around, guys plus on the patreon, patreon.com slash guys podcast.

We usually do like two hours.

Yeah, we usually do two hours to talk about different guys.

Like we'll talk about cigar guys now definitely because they are they were they were kind of what I was expecting, which is yeah, those uh real insufferable classical male kind kind of guys, as Tim said at the beginning of the episode, I think it really is a lot of guys who have much like you with the cowboy thing, you know, you've like seen it somewhere, yeah, but you've seen that aesthetic somewhere where you're just kind of like, this is something that a classical man, a real manly man, a rugged kind of guy, this is how they act.

And I, I don't know,

yeah, how many of them actually enjoy them because to me, it's a pretty unpleasant experience.

I really, I, I think most people think physically it's an unpleasant experience, but yeah, they

power through it.

You know, you get some candy, you know, you get a candy and a Coke, and you're set.

And yeah, we'll talk about cigar.

What the rule for guys plus is that,

well, there's two rules.

First, we have to read Mike Zero, his headlines, his entertainment news.

So if you're needing entertainment news, that's also a good reason.

But then, yeah, for $5 a month, you can just get me and Chris talking about all the past guys that we've had.

Sometimes we have guests on, like, we're doing an episode with Jesse Farrar.

We'll have like guests on that are friends of the show, Tom Sexton, Tom Walker, Stefan, DB, people like that.

They come on sometimes.

And for $8 a month, you get an extra show.

We did a really weird one

this month where we watched a superhero movie.

Me, D B, and Chris, and and it was very fun.

So, Mike, go to Patreon.

And yeah, so we never do this, you know.

I never know, that's why I'm doing it.

Yeah, we never do it.

So, yeah, come on over if you like the show.

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All right, we'll see you all next week.

Goodbye.