Guys: Episode 126 - Bass Guys with Pat Finnerty

Welcome to Guys, a podcast about guys.

I'm Brian.

That's a bass noise.

We're talking about bass guys.

And Chris is here.

Hi, Chris.

So you really did a lot of studying, I can tell you.

That's a bass noise.

Dude,

some people call it a bass line, but you called it a bass noise?

We'll talk about that in a minute, but I'm excited to have our guest, somebody who inspired me to do this episode.

Pat Finnerty.

Hey, Pat.

How's it going?

Thanks for having me.

I heard you say bass players, it's weird to want to play bass, I think.

And I was thinking about it when you brought that up, and I was like, you know, I had like six friends that wanted wanted to be in a band and all six of us wanted to be bass players.

Wow.

And so like everybody had a bass and everybody played bass.

So you didn't have any, like there was no feeling like you wanted to play the guitar?

Nope.

All of us wanted to play the bass.

Was there a basis that you really looked up to?

Well, now I'm learning today after doing her research that the basis we looked up to might not be a great basis.

And that's Fieldie from Corn.

This is getting better and better.

You know, I'm really happy I got back to this email.

So you're hanging out with six fucking bass players.

Do you know what I had to do to find a kid to play bass?

I had to get him the bass, first of all.

Yeah.

I had to give him.

And then this kid picked me up, and he's like, I play bass.

I was like, oh, awesome.

And then we got to the rehearsal.

And I go, okay, what do you know?

He goes, nothing.

And I was like, what do you mean?

He's like, I've never played.

I was like, come on.

You were the one that called this practice.

I'm like, do you know wild thing?

He's like, no.

I was like, do you really know anything?

He's like, no, nothing.

That was, and you had six.

Yeah, well, you could have easily had a bass player, but you would have had to

put up with a lot of other stuff if you were angry on him that is six.

I can't even imagine who they were.

But yeah, they.

Bordeaux wasn't a bass player.

He wasn't a musician guy.

He just, Brian had a lot of unsavory friends.

He was in a violence gang.

I wasn't in a gang.

He used to assault older people who are like.

I did never assault an older person in my life.

I'll just say, say pat it was not a fair fight it was not somebody who was like i want to have a fight you know but where where am i right now

what is this thing i mean i'm a guy i qualify but like what what's happening here so we bought we we heard less claypool like for some reason pork soda made it to us we were all into hip-hop at the time and like genuinely hated all rock music for a period there was like the small period where the only rock bands we listened to were Primus and the Doors, and then the rest of it was rap.

And then, like,

yeah, and then, and then Corn.

And then I saw a picture of Corn, and I was like, those are the guys I want to be.

Before you had heard their music.

Yeah.

So that's kind of, that's really interesting.

You rarely hear somebody say, hey, I really got into this band before I had heard them play their music.

I saw a picture of them.

I was like, damn, I got to get that CD.

And I bought the motherfucker, like, my first paycheck, I bought the the corn album and listened to it for two and a half years so you saw large pants and a large black t-shirt with some sort of pattern on it yes which isn't not what you're what you're wearing right now i mean

that's a very corn-ish shirt i must say he wears a corn font he wears a lot of stuff that sort of makes it clear that he was really into corn when he was young

i like the corn font too i i always believed that the corn font looked really cool i know it's a bad name for a band, but when you look at it, I'm like, that's fucking cool.

But what I saw was the dreadlocks.

I wanted dreadlocks really bad, but I'm also, I'm bald.

I can't grow dreadlocks, and I didn't do it when I could.

And I've always,

I've always very much regretted that.

That's one of your big

regrets.

Regrets in life is that you didn't have dreadlocks.

Just imagine that like hospital scene with like the family coming in.

You're just laying there.

You hear the beeps.

They're like, Grandpa, do you have any regrets?

I want to live.

Like, what should I do?

If I could award dreadlocks

after the first time that I saw corn on the, on the, what's the first corns album called?

Just three months.

Just to try them for three months in the summertime, walk around on the beach.

People may have looked at me and said, cool hair, man.

I mean, and you should have seen what he looked like, too.

A lot of the listeners know what Brian looked like.

He was like really skinny, and he was just kind of like him with

dreadlocks would have been a ridiculous look for sure.

Would have been hot.

Girl, I still do.

Like, listen, so I'm bald as shit.

Chris, you look like a hair guy.

I mean, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, like, not

saying he's bald.

Okay.

He comes on here and says he's bald.

I'm not bald, but I'm, like, I'm thin.

My hair is thinning a bit, but I have some hair.

Yeah.

That's a hair guy, if I've ever seen one.

Brian, here's what I'm thinking at the end.

I don't know.

I'm thinking bald long hair.

That's how I'm going out.

Oh, he's right.

I thought about that.

I've been trying to get him to do it.

Yeah, so bald locks.

You could put,

let's do some bald locks, man.

I love that because he seems.

I told him I just want him to do the Hulk Hogan look for a while, like full Hogan.

He walks around his neighborhood a lot.

So he's like, he walks all day long.

So everyone kind of knows him around there.

Like he does all his research while he's walking around.

So imagine if he all of a sudden had Hulk Hogan hair.

And they're like, yeah, you know the guy who's walking around?

He's fucking got Hulk Hogan hair.

Here's the thing, though, man.

You hair guys say that.

Listen, we got to walk the walk.

I mean, there's one thing to like really enjoy.

You know, I want to do it, but it takes a lot.

I had one friend who'd pulled off the bald long hair.

He was in a band and he did it.

But I mean, you're not just on stage and you're not just walking around.

I mean, you're going into like rest.

You're going to like restaurants and stuff like that.

Like you're meeting, you know, going to your other

family.

You're meeting groceries and talking about it.

kids.

How's it going, man?

You can't walk somebody up at school.

Your kids are going to be able to get it.

Yeah, you have to walk by kids.

You have to walk by kids.

Yeah, yeah.

Think about how kids will see you.

I said to Chris the other, we were talking about it the other day, and there was a period where I knew I was going, I was going bald as hell.

Like, I had like a, I had hair in the front, but it was just like a line, and this all was gone.

And my strategy at that time was to grow all the hair I could and then wear a hat.

And then it would look like

there's so much hair going on under there.

You know what I mean?

Patty was fooling everyone.

Patty thought everyone was fooled by this.

He wore a hat all the time.

Yeah, nobody knows that I'm bald.

I used to call it the big reveal whenever I was like dating girls and stuff like that.

And I took it off for the first time.

It was always called the big reveal.

And like, I was like, oh, shit, I think I'm going to have to big reveal tonight.

And then, you know,

so one time I'll never forget it.

And I wasn't even interested in this girl.

I think I've told this story before, but I was like, she, it was after a gig.

I was going through a breakup.

I was like, not tonight.

She was like all over me.

I was like, not tonight.

I was like, and then she's helping me, like, carry my shit and all that stuff.

And she's like, let me wear your hat.

And I was like, well, you know that I'm bald as shit.

And she's like, what?

And she's like, let me try it on.

So I took it off.

And then she looked up and went, why?

Oh, no.

Why?

She was exhausted.

She was like, to the the universe.

She was talking to the universe because she wanted to sleep with you and she was talking to the universe.

And she's like, man, she's like, why?

And I was like, I don't know.

But, you know, if you still want to help, there's an XLR over there you can wrap up.

If not, you know what I mean?

I think your friends are leaving.

Yeah.

Well, I went and looked.

I wanted to do bass guys.

One, because they're funny.

And

I posted about this, but I want to say this, that like every episode, there's a search term that cracks the episode for me.

Every time.

Guitar players, it was wife.

Yeah.

Like you search wife in a guitar forum and people are like, my wife says I have too many guitars.

And then everybody's like, how many bags does she have?

And how many great hair straighteners does she have?

Go in to check on her hair straightener collection.

We did have a guy say, my wife said, how many guitars?

you know, do you need?

And then one of the replies was like, ask her how many hair straighteners she needs.

And it was like, that seems like.

That's a guy who's never even met a woman before.

That's awesome.

But for

bass players, it wasn't that.

It was the word respect.

That makes sense.

That makes sense because, yeah, so they obviously are like, they're mocked quite a bit, right?

I suppose more than maybe any of the other, like, they're sort of the butt of the joke a little bit more than any other band member.

Is that safe to say?

Yeah, them are drummers.

There's a lot of drummer jokes, but I feel like the bass player joke is like the, I feel like they've been empowered in the last couple of decades.

Like, bass, bass rights have definitely risen.

Like, they've kind of taken it on as their own.

But, yes, I would say that they are still.

Because drummers are cooler.

Everyone knows that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I feel like the sort of knock on a bass player is just kind of like, oh, you couldn't, you couldn't make it as a lead guitarist, kind of, right?

You're not quite good enough to play guitar.

That sort of is Brian.

Pat says there's bass rights that have shown up there is another thing that happens only on the bass subreddit because i searched bass on all the other subreddits right to see what guitar players were saying about it and stuff like that only on the bass subreddit they say people don't know this but bass players get all the girls

um so that's apparently a thing like that that it is believed

That the girls all go for the bass player, which I think that don't.

That's not true.

I think that's completely not true.

And I think it's the would be the the lead singer, guitarist, most likely.

And I think that's why they're not even talking about it on the forums because it's just happening.

And there's like, there's no need to protest or whatever.

Well, I have a post for you guys.

This low spark man says, so do bassists really get the girls?

Okay, so a bunch of years ago, I had dinner guests over for a business dinner.

The dude from LA,

who was legit as far as having experience in the late 60s, early 70s music scene as a musician and friend of famous musician, sees an old Samic bass in the corner of of the living room.

He asked if I played.

I told him I had played in a high school rock band and that I bought the Samic at a thrift store on a whim to get back into it in my late 40s.

He jokingly chided me for having quit after school, saying, You know the secret about who really gets the girls in the band?

It's the bass players.

He went on to say that the stereotype of the lead singer or lead guitarist getting all the action was bogus because they're too egotistical.

while the bass player has the opportunity to focus on the audience while holding down the rhythm and low end.

So for all you veteran bass players out there, what say you?

Is this true?

What did I miss?

So this guy has a story.

So he's basically saying like the bass players can get all the pussy because they ain't got to do anything up on stage.

They don't have to pay attention to playing music at all.

So they can just scan the audience where the other members are actually focusing on the song.

I like the idea of them focusing intent, like that everybody looks at the stage and they look at the bass player and they're like, oh my God, he's looking right at me.

Yeah, like, and also the other band members, I think, depending on the song, but Pat, you could probably speak to this more having played in bands, but like a lot of the songs, I feel like they've played them a lot of times.

So, a lot of the times they can also, even like the lead guitar, everyone can be sort of scanning and checking out the audience.

Yeah, everyone's scanning.

I mean, like, there's no, unless you're in fucking dream theater and they're not scanning anything because there's no women at their shows to begin with.

I mean, they have a lower demo than my YouTube channel.

it's I mean it's like make a rush concert look like the Lilith Fair they they

let's not we don't need to be slandering this is Canadian Canadian bands like rush it's amazing how fast the Canadian comes out it's incredible before I even got the of rush out there I saw your eyebrow go up

I apologize sorry go on sorry but I was just saying that like yeah I mean the there's focus the focus bands have they're all focusing don't get me wrong but like yeah, I mean you've played songs long enough It doesn't matter I mean you you can you're you're checking out who's out there.

I think the whole bass player gets the I mean, that's just a nice way of saying that like that's your mom telling you that no your sneakers are cool too

You know what I mean?

Like feeling like the Jordans.

No, yours are my mom my mom got me champion sneakers when I was in like seventh grade and like champion hadn't made the

you know, yeah, I don't think champion sneakers have ever really had that.

Their sneakers never really did.

Like, sometimes their apparel for a while, I feel like, was, but yeah, their sneakers never really.

No, and she's like, I think they're really cool.

And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get fucking dragged.

And I did, but she's like, no, they're cool.

And I'm like, yeah.

Yeah.

And that's, that's the bass player world.

I told this on a stream one time, but there was this guy I hung out with that bought a pair of shoes.

They were LA gear.

Yeah.

And he kept telling us, like, oh,

I got some Jordans.

And we were like, LA gear doesn't make Jordans.

And then he finally comes outside.

He's wearing these Jordans and they say MJ on them.

But the foot on them is doing the moonwalk and they're Michael Jackson's.

And we fucking killed him.

It sounds like an old hacky stand-up joke, but it's like absolutely true.

We fucking killed that guy, man.

I never saw those shoes again after that day.

His old shoes made a comeback.

That's amazing.

Yeah, it's great.

This guy goes, one of the perks of being a bass player is that you know when she's flirting with you, when she says, I've always liked bass more than guitar, she's either into you or plays bass herself.

Yeah, because that couldn't be true, is what they're saying.

Even they're saying, like, she either has to, like, because no one actually thinks that.

Well, here's the thing, though.

I mean, I, I always,

you've, Brian, you've, you've seen me, I've talked about this multiple times.

When it's, yes, the bass player is the guy in a lot of bands that doesn't, is the worst guitar player.

That's kind of how it happens in a lot of like bands.

I play bass.

I play bass.

I like playing bass.

Bass is awesome.

It's, I love, you know,

Paul McCartney bass is my favorite kind of bass.

James Jamerson, I love that bass.

I love bass.

Bass is awesome.

I had a problem with the white stripes for a long time and still do.

Like, I can't, because I like bass.

I was like, yeah, this song rocks, but you know, it could use some bass.

So, like, I love bass.

I'm not attacking bass.

I'm just saying that, like, there is a difference between when you get good at bass, there is a big difference between somebody who's just okay at bass and a fucking bass player that can, like, has the groove, has the pocket.

They've practiced enough that that's what's weird is that they could sit in a room and just listen to bass.

I mean, like,

because they play that forever.

Because there's subtleties to it.

You know what I mean?

Now, so I'm not saying that there isn't a person that isn't attracted to the low, of course, but you've got to be good for that to happen.

Most of the bass players we see are just like the stiffs that are just, you know, over

the taste to cumbersome.

You know what I mean?

I love that song, by the way.

I know it's

exactly what happened when I went on the best show.

Tom was like, wait, of course you like that.

Yeah.

I didn't know you were on the best show.

That's awesome.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I went on and talked to about Limpiscat and Woodstock 99 with it.

Oh, that's great.

He goes, would I look like, this guy asked a question, I thought this was interesting.

He goes, would I look like a goober walking around while practicing bass?

I got one of those Fender micros that you plug into a guitar/slash bass and use headphones to practice with and realized I could practice while getting daily cardio in on a nature trail or something.

Would be using my cheapest bass in case someone tries to run my pockets or kill me.

Where does he live?

Everybody thinks they're about to get robbed on Reddit.

In the forest and doing it, people aren't robbing in the forest that much.

So, uh,

these people, I just like whenever I'm on a forum like that, or Reddit, or just like that, any acoustic guitar forum or telecaster form, I'm just trying to picture these basements, these rooms.

I'm trying to picture these men.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's, where's this guy writing this?

You know what I mean?

Like, is there a family member around?

Does he have to have a drink for it?

Like,

when do they, like, do they have a time?

Like, ooh, I'm going to sit down.

I'm going to fire up Reddit and see what's going on on a five-string bass forum tonight, you know?

Somebody needs to, like,

he needs to ask somebody in his life.

That question.

Then he doesn't have to go to Reddit to ask the question because the answer is always going to be yes.

You'll look like a fucking goober, but you don't need that.

It's a weird way to look.

I think what he's, he's trying to get somebody to say, no, you won't look like that.

He knows in his heart of hearts that he will look like a fucking idiot with over-ear headphones and a bass guitar running down a trail.

I don't even know, like, legit.

Like, how would you even, he's going to be running while he plays or just walking?

No, walking.

He just walks.

But yeah, he knows you'll look stupid, but he's like, he's just hoping for one person to come in and be like, you know what, man?

Here's a really well-thought-out reasoned explanation as to why that would be a good thing to do.

And then he'd be like, oh, yeah, that is something I'm going to do now.

Like, he just wants that, I feel like.

Yeah, it's the equivalent of, like, when you're Googling symptoms and you're just trying to find the one that's like, oh, I don't know.

It's just like a headache.

Yeah, you know what I mean?

You know what I mean?

But like, scroll through a bunch of comments saying, you'll look like the dumbest fuck in the world.

I would beat the shit out of you if you saw you.

And then he gets to one with like 19 down votes.

That's what's like

do that.

I still do that all the time.

And like, you know, there was, yeah, yeah.

So that's what I'd have to say about that.

It's funny because when you go to the replies, this first guy goes, practicing while doing something else is always tempting seems very efficient there are some things you can do simultaneously but i think serious musical practice is not one of them it would either be ineffective cardio or ineffective practice so you might as well do them at different times by all means try it i think a better idea would be just to practice in nature and then a guy replies and goes totally disagree

how do you disagree with that

how do you disagree that's that's that's the most true thing i've ever heard like that's awesome.

Well,

he goes, focus practice is very important, but so is unfocus.

This is a task where compartmentalization is incredibly important.

At some point, you need to move on from CDEF to play a scale.

And this is what happens when people score movies and TV, for example.

If at some point you can't thoughtlessly play along with your favorite TV show or movie, you're doing yourself a disservice by not figuring out how.

So

you're practicing being like checked out kind of and being able to play.

but that's not important to

think.

I think if you're playing music, I think it's okay to just be, you know, when you're up there, to just focus on doing it.

I mean, there's just so many different paradigms.

And like, I'm guilty of doing this shit.

Like, I go on forums of like, oh man, I want this pedal.

And then I go on, and then someone says, oh, man, don't get this pedal.

And then the next person says, get this pedal.

And then I'm like, am I really listening to fucking Lone Wolf 1278?

Like, you don't know anything about him.

Lone Wolf.

He could be be so fucked, man.

He could be so fucked.

He could be like the most fucking evil guy ever, you know?

Or you could just stink.

You know what I mean?

Like, you automatically, I always think that there's a bias.

Like, it's this thing where it's just like, you think all of these people know what they're doing.

Like, you know what I mean?

I would love to hear that guy saying, like, you need to have practice while you're thinking and subconscious practice.

Meanwhile, like, he might not even be able to play come as you are.

He might not even know.

He might just be, and some of them are trolls, even.

There's even the troll factor where people are going to be in there telling you the exact wrong thing as a joke, thinking that that's funny.

I'm always worried about evil guys, though.

I really am.

Like, what if they're evil?

And then I take advice from them, and then all of a sudden I find out, you know, like my life has been steered by

someone who's an evil serial killer or something, and now they've helped influence my life.

But what's your shops, though?

You know,

I'm most worried about that, is that they actually helped me.

And then I find out later on that my life was greatly helped by a very terrible serial killer.

This guy goes,

yeah, you would look either dumb or like you're showing off, which I don't think you'd look like you're showing off.

To be honest, I think you would look dumb.

Like it wouldn't be the showing off thing walking around.

A guy with little bits.

Yeah, mostly dumb, yeah.

I think it's like trial and error.

I mean, I'm sure you guys have tried where it's just like,

I like a multitask.

So, like, I remember when I was learning guitar probably 13, 14, and I was like, you know what?

I got to take a shit.

Oh, yeah.

Maybe, you know, I can, I'm bringing the, I'm bringing the guitar to the toilet.

I figured out the first day that does not work out.

You don't need that.

You know what I mean?

Like that five to six minutes, whatever, like, it's way more work than it's worth trying to get it down.

You know, so like, it's trial and error as far as multitask goes.

Yeah, but

I lived with a guy who, I lived with a buddy.

Of course, I lived with a guy that played bass,

and uh, he would just sit.

We lived in a fucking mobile home, so small, and it was five of us plus two kids.

And this guy, how come

I don't remember why we lived there?

I think we were trying to help this guy out.

This guy, Pat, was having trouble.

Not you, Pat, of course.

He's having trouble.

He's having trouble paying his toys.

He's having trouble paying his rent in his mobile home so me and my wife moved in and then our friend Nate moved in too and then the guy got back with his wife and she moved in and so we're all living in this tiny trailer and the guy Nate that I lived with just sat on the couch the whole time he was home with his bass and an amp playing mud shovel with an amp yeah he would just sit there i'd be playing like nfl 2k he would be sitting on the fucking couch just playing mud shovel all day long i'm sorry that's that's yeah yeah play the stain song really trash that's that really sounds very trashy and i don't want to be disrespectful to you i know that you've probably never heard this before but that does sound a little bit suspect there's there's what was everybody else doing how big was the trailer i was a roofer at the time people just kept moving in yeah there was there was definitely a stain somewhere in that trailer that was getting cleaned up.

Oh, yeah.

There had to be at least three to four active active stains happening in that trailer park, no offense.

But you're hearing stained the band on bass while probably looking at one to three stains.

Yeah.

You're sitting in there.

You're in your bed.

It's like 11 o'clock in the morning and you just hear,

and it's like

long ever.

Did he get

there were no guitarists?

in the house and there were no drums.

I don't think this guy ever played with another musician in his whole life.

Is he just bass, man?

Just bass.

Straight bass.

How old?

Did you have Gwen?

No.

I was like 19 or 20.

Here's a good question.

Guitarist in our band.

This is from Renberg 33, and he says, guitarist in our band gives me little to no respect.

Partial rant.

Howdy, folks.

I'm currently in a band with five people, myself on bass, keyboard, a singer, guitarist, drummer, and other less experienced bass players.

Two bass bands.

Wait, wait, wait.

Sounds like you might be getting replaced kind of soon buddy oh yeah they got this other guy that's been hanging around learning the bass stuff from me

uh he goes uh

and we've been jamming together for about six months and i'd like some advice i've been playing bass for about a year and a half and by no means consider myself amazing at the instrument i can play relatively simple stuff and most of what we want to play i can play covers and some of our own stuff our guitarist likes to say at least three times a band practice that bass isn't a hard instrument.

And on top of that, whenever I try to steer everyone in a direction, like, hey, Mr.

Drummer, you should try this instead of that.

Or, hey, since we don't have lyrics, we should all write a few lines just to brainstorm.

Or he'll go, hey, Mr.

Bass Player, you're playing too many notes.

I get immediately shut down by the guitarist.

Now,

here's the double-edged sword.

The guitarist is my older brother.

Oh,

okay.

I mean, listen.

What are you?

He's bullying you.

I mean, this is you're not you're not familiar with this?

This tail is old as time.

I know that most of what he says is in jest, but when it starts to disrupt our brainstorming process, I can't help but feel annoyed.

I feel that part of the issue is that he likes to be the one who calls the shots.

Uh, both of our current original songs are based entirely around his riffs, and one of them is hard to work with for the whole band.

Feel free to let me know if I'm being ridiculous or not.

I know part of this is a brotherly love of pissing each other off, and I've confronted him a few times before, but I'd like to know how to deal with bandmates like this in the future.

So,

no respect for this guy at all.

No, I mean, it's familial, though.

I feel like, you know, and I don't know if this is a term.

They probably use it, but I mean, like,

bassist.

You know what I mean?

Oh, anti-bass.

Oh, I see.

C, the C.

Bassist of the C.

Yeah, yeah.

At first, I thought it sounded basist, but then

it was more of like a

it was more of a situation where it's like you guys might have your own issues going back a long way, and this is or this is just like kind of how you guys communicate with each other, right?

Like as brothers, that sounds like you just you don't have like a super maybe like loving relationship or warm relationship, maybe.

Who's that other bass player sniffing around, though?

That's the question.

That is the good question.

That's my

question.

I'm playing in a band and they have the exact same, you know, a person playing the same instrument as me.

I'm concerned.

Definitely.

I'll say this, that I did read

so many stories of bass players being like, hey, I've been playing with this band for like six weeks and then I went on Facebook and they were looking for a new bass player.

Then they didn't tell me that they were practicing.

You know what I mean?

Like, it does seem like a thing that goes on with bands where like they're kind of don't want to, they don't want the confrontation

of

cowards.

Yeah.

musicians are fucking cowards.

They they won't, you know, the oldest trick in the book is that you you break up the band and then you change the name and then you don't call the one guy.

I saw a few of those guy was like really bummed out about it, and I kind of felt I did feel sorry for him because it's like, oh man, you're just not good enough for these guys, or they don't like you.

And it feels like it happens so much.

So these bass players get real mad at this story.

I love it because

this guy goes, tell them to get fucked.

You're the bass player.

That's your spot.

Practice on your own.

Listen and discern what other bassists are doing.

Emulate them or you'll start to develop your sound.

Don't let your Killjoy brother manipulate you in front of the band.

He's pulling a power play, not being brotherly.

It's not cool.

And then a guy replies and goes, I was going to say this, especially since he's your brother.

Tell him to kiss your ass.

And then a guy goes, there are a million guitarists.

Fuck him.

He's easily replaceable.

Guitarists are the most common musician.

No, seriously, escalate this into a serious family issue.

No, honestly, I've heard enough to know that you should fucking just upend your entire relationship with your brother.

I would actually wait till like the

end of November, maybe like the end of December.

Yeah,

right around the city.

Right around the 24th to 26th of December.

Right around the holidays, just blow it up.

Just Just work it out.

Bring the bass to Thanksgiving.

Honestly, tell him

that.

Tell him that you and your family are starting a new family and doing dinner at a different family place, and then he's not invited to this one.

A different family place.

This guy who plays an Ibanez, I don't know if that helps you out any at all.

That's a guitar?

Or is it a bass?

I mean,

it's corn played.

Yes, it is.

I owned an Ibanez when I had a guitar.

I did have a guitar.

guitar.

Also, like, they're known for like, that's when you need like a nine string, like, that's Ibanez is going to get you.

Why would you need that?

What would you need that for?

Good point, Chris.

That's a very good point.

Seven string is what I wanted so bad, but they were so expensive.

And I really wanted a seven-string Ibanez.

I think that's why I didn't really learn guitar because I was

the one I want.

You'd think you would have become really into it if you'd think it was the extra strings that would have really gotten.

I didn't have to write guitar.

I did have.

Oh, I don't know if this will pick up, though, but like, have you ever played the corn chord?

I'm just picking, for those just listening, I'm picking up my strat, and it's like, it might pick up, but

did you hear it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we heard it.

Yeah, it picked up.

Brian, I just saw your eyes.

Like, your soul just like, it's like it was like a highlighter for a second.

Like, you just had a ring around.

You know how every fucking thumbnail has that stupid outline around everybody?

Do you guys do that?

I do that.

You guys do that?

I fucking hate it.

We don't have a YouTube channel, but our friend Rob, who's on the, I mean, I used to only have a YouTube channel.

So, but yeah, our friend Rob, who's been on the podcast a few times, Rob Wisman, he used to have the bet, the Uber driver sucked me off.

And it was one of those thumbnails that was exactly.

I always think of that with the outline of the FIFA like looking all weird and shit.

Yeah, they love that outline.

I mean, I use it sometimes, I do, but you, I actually, Brian, I saw your outline when I played the chord chord, which is is

that sounds so good.

I bet we could do this probably 30 times in a row, and you would just react.

Oh, you would, yeah, the second time.

Oh, that one we talked over it, and he actually had sort of a grimace on his face that we were talking over it.

Hold on, hold on.

Oh,

you didn't.

But if we had a bass player, we could get the next part.

That's the part that really rocks with the boom, boom.

Oh,

this is good.

Okay,

listen, he will,

you could do that or talk about fucking AEW wrestling, and he will just sit there and completely forget about what we're doing on the podcast.

Hold on one second, though.

That was, let's just say this again, though.

Tale of the tape, that was an unplugged electric guitar through a fucking, not mic'd, through a audio mic.

He was getting in the pit.

You were heading for the fucking pit.

Hey, I like corn.

What can I say?

I will listen to it.

It's hard, though.

I do like good music.

I want to make sure that people know this because they often think I only listen to corn.

Yeah, he likes Dan Zig as well.

Okay.

Don't bring up those guys either.

Well, what's the other one that you're really into?

Typo-negative.

Typo-negative.

Typo negative.

So he does like some.

Yeah, he likes some good musicians and good guys.

Like Dan Zig's one of his favorites.

Oh, don't say good guys like that.

He's the two fucking singers that look like wrestlers, which is amazing.

That totally makes sense.

Holy shit, Pat.

I never thought of that that's probably some of the appeal for him definitely and even like icp and corn are sort of like like you know what i mean they have like cost i haven't listened to ic would be like ecw wrestlers yes icp wrestled they literally were in they were they were in yeah like they they wrestled and stuff but i haven't listened to icp since i haven't listened to new icp since like but brian bizarre bazaar And I've only been to their concerts because one of the roadies for Attila knows my old show.

And he invited me.

And I was like, well, fuck, I can't not.

You come from a fully juggalo family.

Don't act like your whole entire family is not juggalos, and you don't have a guy who's in an actual juggalo band

and he sits outside of the concerts and sells drugs.

You know that's true.

Hey, well,

he's just an important in the juggalo scene.

It's not important.

This guy goes, you need to be aggressive as a bass player and stand your ground.

This is crazy.

There's way too many bass players.

Way too many bass players shut up and take it.

And that's exactly why we get a bad reputation as not being vital.

Fuck guitar players.

They're usually insecure pricks attracted to their instrument via superficial marketing programming versus actual interest in music and theory and time and organized noise.

So that guy is very angry.

He is our biggest bass advocate that they're.

That guy's pissed.

He's ready to go.

I mean, he's bringing it to like moon landing conspiracy level.

Just like, you know, this Dave, this big guitar.

This is just more big guitar propaganda.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you got all the effects.

We don't need effects.

Guy walking outside of that Capitol Records building in L.A.

with a big

bass just holding it up.

Like, we're important.

People need us.

Brian, that is a cool building, though.

You got to admit.

Big fan of that building.

Yeah.

Pat, where do you live?

I live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

So you don't live.

Have you been to Los Angeles and seen that building?

I have.

I've seen the building and I look at it.

It's one of those buildings you look at for a little while, a little longer than the other buildings.

It's a cool building, Brian.

It's cool.

We can talk about this stuff, but Brian's not.

He doesn't make it out west too often to Los Angeles, so he's probably a little bit more lost.

This guy, here's a new guy, and this is just a funny one.

Let's just take a minute to acknowledge the fact that bass is the hardest yet most analyzed job in the entertainment industry.

That is a huge industry, by the way.

That's not just rock

or music or anything.

It's scrutinized.

And he goes, I think it's more analyzed than like film direction.

I think that's what he's saying.

He says entertainment industry.

Jeez.

That's all of it.

You know?

He goes, you know what I mean?

I just mean that bass players hold the world of entertainment together.

And yet it's still the toughest job to prove you're good at because a lot of people don't pay attention to it.

But those at the top level understand how important it is.

If it's tough to prove that that you're good at something,

you might not be good.

You might not be hard or impressive or something.

I don't really know how that works, but it sounds like not something you would want to say.

Tough to prove.

That's the first time I've ever heard that phrase.

Tough to prove.

Like, imagine if LeBron was just trying to prove that he's good at basketball this entire time.

And he's like, I don't know.

We still don't know.

Bron, you better play one more season.

He's like, well, it's tough.

This has been tough to prove.

People don't know how good I am.

I've been saying it.

I'll sit there and play for them for like three hours and they're always just like, okay, like, it's crazy.

It sounded like mud shovel to me.

It was all right, but can you prove it?

I feel like base, here's the thing.

Base,

people love talking about.

Like the forums.

It goes back to like how awesome it is that anybody, everybody is Getty Lee.

And I did that for you, Chris.

Thank you.

Everybody's Getty Lee on the forums.

You know what I mean?

It's just just like, but like, they're the guys that are playing all along the watchtower at the open mic.

And nothing against those guys.

You know what I mean?

But it's just like, that's what's so

amazing about how tough everybody is.

Like, but it's the beauty of the internet.

It's a beauty of the internet is that, yeah, you got that anonymity.

So it's like, hey, sometimes it's why those guys who are on those forums love the stories where it's like, they find out that a real musician or like a famous person or whatever gets caught posting on the forums because then that gives them a little more of a chance of like, see, maybe I am actually a guy who knows a lot of what I'm talking about.

I mean, I'm not, but you don't know I'm not, you know.

But they also have power.

I mean, loans back to Lone Star 1278.

I mean, I've listened, or Lone Wolf, I've, I've like not bought a, I'm like, man, too many of the Lone Wolves don't like this model.

You know what I mean?

You're doing it professionally, and, you know, and so you're, and you're out here getting influenced by some random person online.

I do too.

Yeah, it happens.

It's It's happened to me, definitely, for sure.

When you do, because I'm not doing,

so my old, the old Brian

used to just, if he wanted to buy something, he would say, what's the most expensive one?

And they just buy it because assuming it's the best, you know?

I don't do that anymore.

I'm out of that game now, but I think I do something even worse.

I type.

best thing and then add Reddit to the end of it so that I only get Reddit things things because then I'm like, well, you know, these people are posting all day in a forum about a very specific thing.

They have to know what they're talking about.

I think sometimes they do.

It depends on what it is, but I don't think I've done that before, definitely, where you just like go to a forum and you read a bunch of things and see what's getting upvoted a lot.

And it gives you sort of like a feeling of what the people are thinking.

But yeah, at the end of the day,

yeah, you are listening to some fucking random ass people and letting them sort of steer you around.

But then again, you're listening to some random ass person if you read some review or whatever, I guess.

There's just too many decisions.

That's the problem.

I just remember like when the convenience store started to add like the second cooler of drinks, and then it's just like, oh man, I just, I thought I just wanted a fucking water.

Like, I'm like, what kind of water do I want?

Can I have a water?

Do I want life water?

Do I want enzymes in the fucking water?

What kind of, what size do I want?

24, 32 with the sports bottle.

Fuck sports bottle caps.

I hate them too, Pat.

Oh, they're the worst.

And then there's the third and then the fourth drink.

And now the whole entire wall is just drinks.

There's a lot of damage.

And it's just like,

sometimes I'll walk out of there dry because I'm like, I can't make this decision.

And that's kind of like every single purchase I make now.

Yeah.

I'm getting new baldest shit hats in, right?

I had to make a decision on what fucking bags I'm going to ship them in.

I'm reading descriptions and fucking reviews on bags.

She just be bags.

Do you're shipping in bags, though?

That's really nice.

We do merch.

We ain't shipping in no bag.

I don't know what we're shipping in.

What do we ship at all?

This is the fucking problem.

Are we shipping

an envelope thing, I think, or a box for some of it?

Maybe.

I don't know.

But we haven't

been in that, though.

Well, I did.

We did hats before, and what did we do to them?

And we're doing hats again.

Our hats are so cool.

It said flub on it, but in the corn font.

So that's great.

Yeah, guess what?

Is the B backwards?

There's got to be something backwards.

I don't know.

The U is, I think.

The U is Because I have a big flag that says flub in the corn font behind me, but you can't see it.

How can a U be backwards?

Well, that's interesting.

That's the little thing on it, you know.

On the side of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but I'll tell you what, people hated them, you know, to be honest with you.

I even thought about it on our net, they hated them because of the type of hat they were.

They were like the big, like flat brim, like big, huge, high new arrow ones, and people weren't into the.

So I was thinking, we're going to do another hat this time, like a dad cap, like a 47 cleanup or whatever, which is what I'm wearing right now.

And

I was thinking of doing one.

How about we do a hat that sort of commemorates the other bad hat?

And we put on the hat, like the flub hat, you know, like that design on the dad hat to commemorate our business hat.

Chris, you had me when you said your back hurt.

Now you're talking fucking shapes of hats, man.

I mean, this is suck.

Brian, this is this is meant to be here.

Yeah, sorry, Brian.

Brian, we're meant to be here.

Brian gets mad about this kind of stuff.

But yeah, I think now that you're on business.

Let's talk three to four minutes about how my back has been quite sore lately.

I'm making a career out of it.

Yeah, Pat had surgery, Chris.

So I think.

Really?

Yeah.

So here's one.

I got this for you.

Sounds like maybe his has been dealt with then, and so he's probably in a better situation.

And it sounds like I have been pre-surgery.

No, no, no, no.

Oh, I don't know.

If I'm pre-surgery, it stands to reason that you have had medical intervention now and therefore must be in a better situation than me.

I am the aggrieved party.

I have a kid and my back is perfectly fine.

You have a 20-year-old kid who doesn't live there.

It's not the same.

It's a kid.

I got this for you, Pat.

I looked this up.

Most overrated bases.

Now, there's a reason I looked this up because this guy goes, I see a lot of comments in this group regarding players who are underrated but haven't seen much about overrated bases.

Two that immediately come to mind are Sid Vicious.

Oh, yeah.

Well, no, I was going to guess flea, but Sid Vicious.

Okay, go ahead.

And Nikki Six, who I know you're a fan of.

Wow.

This is awesome.

Yeah, I know.

I know you're a Motley Crew guy.

He goes, considering Nikki, this guy replies, he goes, considering Nikki Six wrote 95% of Motley's discography, I'd probably say he's perfectly rated.

Okay, but as a basis, that's different.

I don't know anything about it, but that is a different thing, right?

You could be a great songwriter, but not a good technical basis.

But he's good.

Is he good?

Well, I mean, Molly Crew sucks as a band is the thing.

Well, Molly Crew, what's my line?

Dumbest band for dumbest fans.

I feel like

Roger Waters wrote a lot of Pink Floyd.

You know, he's the bass player in Pink Floyd.

You don't have to be a technically good bass player to, like, you know, be a good bass player.

It's so weird.

Like, is Nikki Six a good bass?

No, no one's ever like, oh man,

one day I want to learn how to play Dr.

Feelgood, just like Nikki Six.

You know what I mean?

Like,

it gets me, it's so funny.

My first favorite band was Molly Crew, Pat, in my whole life.

I was in fourth grade.

I was in fourth grade.

I wore a shirt that said kickstart my heart on the back, and I would wear it to school every fucking day.

That's awesome.

That makes my heart warm.

But I mean, I'll tell you what, like, here's what Nikki Six is, though.

He looks cool.

Like, you can't, like, back then, like, has the look.

Like, Duff has the look.

You know what I mean?

And I'm not saying Duff McKagan from Guns N' Roses isn't a good bass player, but, like, anybody could pretty much, if you're a guitar player, you can play all of those bass lines on Guns N' Roses pretty easily.

But do you look like Duff?

And is your name Duff?

You know what I mean?

Duff McKagan is such a badass fucking rock and roll name.

Oh, fucking rules.

My name's Pat Finnerty.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's not happening.

So if you took any of the fucks that are on this podcast right now and put us in Motley Crew or Guns and Roses, man, it's probably not happening.

It's not going to happen.

Not a famous.

Hey, here's our new bass player, Queeber.

But there's no famous.

That's my old nickname, but we don't call me that anymore.

There's more famous people.

Almost everybody calls him that.

There's not a lot of famous Brians and bands.

I can't think.

Brian was Brian.

Well, you guys.

Why?

Let's see.

What's the guy's name from ACDC?

Isn't that lead to the new lead singer of ACDC named Molly Crowder Crowder?

I wouldn't say he's new.

Oh, but you know what I mean.

1980.

Yeah,

I'm an older guy.

All right.

Yeah.

This guy goes, well,

this forum got so mad about this post.

I love it.

Well, Nikki Six wrote most of Molly Cruz's songs, so he's not overrated in that sense, even if you don't like him.

Sid was perfectly rated.

He couldn't play at all, and everyone knew it.

But then this next guy goes, I don't know which angle you're talking about

being overrated, but Nikki Six might not be like they're so mad that he said Nikki Six that the whole rest of the thing is just being like Nikki Six wrote all of Motley Cruise songs.

Yeah.

I knew a guy, I think I mentioned him before, but I knew a guy who murdered somebody when I was younger and he changed his name legally to Nikki Six Serafino.

So that's that's my big

yeah.

He was a guy that we grew up with and he ended up murdering someone and it was

ever killed.

I was like afraid of like evil thing.

It's starting to make sense now.

I knew a lot of people who murdered people.

I didn't know any bad guys.

I wasn't, I was just, I grew up in Vancouver in like, you know what I mean?

Like, not in like a bad area, anything like that.

I didn't grow up in gangs, but I just, just weirdly, like in our school and stuff, there was a lot of murder and stuff like that.

Anyways, I like this guy.

I like this guy who I hate, actually.

This pissed me off.

The guy goes, the one from corn.

He can't even fucking say the name.

No, he knows that.

He knows the name.

He's doing that on purpose.

Reginald, right?

Reginald Fieldie Aravizu.

Originally Fieldie Snuts.

I don't know these snuts.

I forgot that that was it.

That was

Fieldie's snut.

Fieldy Snuts.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Fieldie Snuts.

Fieldie Snuts, like Randy Snuts from Comedy Bang Bang.

Fieldie Snuts.

Yeah,

we learned that when we watched that weird corn.

He talked about it on some documentary or something.

Awesome.

Let me ask you this, Brian, as a corn fuck.

Like, why here's, I always have a problem with all the

Bon Jovian people.

Like, you know, they don't really like music, but I mean, like, Bon Jovi fans, they, they like his butt, like they like John Bon Jovi's butt.

Like they do.

They're women that like his ass.

But like Richie is in the fucking band forever.

Richie's the guy.

He's Joe Perry.

He's fucking, he's Keith.

He's Keith Richards, you know?

He leaves and they're all fine.

They're fine with it.

How are you okay with corn moving on without Fieldie?

Like

to me, Fieldie's the fucking mascot.

He's Fieldie.

I love that you say this.

They just hired another fat guy to play bass.

It's actually not that bad.

You can really almost close your eyes and be because that's what I saw him and I told my brother, I was like, you know, I'm really glad they hired another fat guy to play bass.

It's not like they didn't hire some thin bass player.

They hired a guy that...

If you squint, you could turn him into Fieldie when he's on.

He's pigeonholed into that, just like Corgan can only have a female bass player.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, because it was like I had forgotten because that band,

the funny guy is their old drummer, David, who was in like Calvin Klein ads.

Political guy and all that stuff.

That's shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Very right-wing, very fucking weird.

He's got a

he's got a cameo account.

How much?

And behind, I don't know.

I don't remember how much it is, but behind him.

And by the way, he hasn't been in corn since like

he, because the funny thing I heard, the funny thing I've read, not that I heard, I'm acting like I know those guys.

Yeah.

Is that like when Head, Brian Head Welch, was out of the band to be Christian,

David was calling and being like, we should get back in the band, man.

You know, and like,

let's do it.

And they brought Head back into the band and not David.

Like, he very publicly wants to be back in the band.

That's amazing.

Okay, then they don't bring him back.

My favorite thing, and let's get back to base.

I I don't want to side reel too much, but my favorite thing about Corn has always been like monkey head

fieldie Jonathan Davis.

Well, he does have a nickname, but it's kind of offensive.

And I have his autograph somewhere in his house.

He goes by, when he signs his autograph, he puts an H and then the I under it and then V, H I V into a smiley face.

That's his signature.

That's his nickname?

That's his nickname, HIV.

So my

my favorite member of corn is definitely the monkey, and it always has been.

The idea of just having a guy called the monkey in the band is awesome to me.

But yeah, I never even thought about it.

You're right, Pat, out there.

They all go by like these ridiculous names, and then Jonathan Davis.

Jonathan Davis is like Garfield as your lead singer.

He's like, actually,

I'm actually a little bit more serious about it than you guys.

I would like to use my Christian name, please.

Jonathan.

Yeah, he is Jonathan.

He's never John Davis.

Nope, not John Davis.

But that's funny, too.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he did also do his DJ side project where he was J Devil and people would go see him in concert and they'd be like, I want to hear some corn songs.

And he's not playing any fucking corn songs because this isn't corn.

That would suck.

Is he killed 100% of the time?

Are you getting a kill every night?

Like, if I go to see corn tonight, am I getting a kill?

No, he's in jeans now.

He's, I think, I don't think he's worn it, because I saw him in 2019, February 2019, right before COVID.

It's the last thing I did.

Yeah.

And or 2020.

And then I saw him again last week.

And listen, I keep saying this and you guys will make fun of me or whatever.

They turned into an arena rock band.

He comes out there.

He's got the cool pants on with all the stuff hanging off of him and like a black t-shirt.

And he just takes up that whole stage.

He's walking back and forth.

It's very exciting.

Spaceship mic stand.

i feel like that muse oh yeah

who came first with that spaceship mic stand the muse guy or that uh or or jd i feel like jd owns that kind of like you know hr guy predator kind of like terminator predator uh mic stand yeah yeah here's one here's one for you pat uh mark hoppis a joke of a bass player

fired

but that it's either isn't that really simple wouldn't that be simple am i wrong about that Like playing for Blink 182?

Yeah.

Like it would be really easy.

It would be really easy to do, right?

But is he again, and I don't know anything about technically speaking, is he really, would you agree that he's really bad, Pat?

No, he's a competent punk rock bassist.

I mean, he's the kind of guy that's like, he does the lead bass, like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, like, you know, fast pick.

Like, he's nowhere close to, um, you know, like technically proficient, but he's fine.

I mean, he's, it's a for that style of music, For that style of music, he's great.

You don't have to be like Victor Wooten.

See, I know bass players.

We grew up talking about Jocko Pastorius all the time because we all wanted to be bass players.

And we would be like, you know who the best bass player is?

Jocko Pastorius.

I've never heard a Jocko Pastorius song in my entire life.

No one has.

No one has.

You know what I mean?

Did he play in a band famous?

I think he was just Jocko Pastorius.

He ran around.

He played with Joni Mitchell.

But

he beat the instrument.

He was like, I'm better than the instrument itself.

I don't need frets.

I can freeform.

And do you really want to hear it all the time?

No.

But

Matt Freeman is the bass player from Rancid.

He rips.

He's like the

Jocko of

90s punk at least.

He's just really fast.

And, you know, Hoppus would want to be him, but he's not him.

So but like basically like if you could just play a major scale and your wrist is strong enough, you can hang in there

in the settings.

That was my favorite.

We talked about Brian's first favorite band.

I think that was my first favorite band was Rancid.

Yeah, they were so good.

But I'm curious, do you remember?

I was going to ask you when it happened, but I forgot.

But what was your first favorite band?

Do you remember?

I think, well, you know, the Beatles were

my favorite band.

Yeah, like getting those early tapes.

But no one needs to hear it.

I was into the Beatles story again.

And then Nirvana.

But like, my sister was listening to Gonz, too.

I was like, the guns was in there.

Yeah.

I was big into Nirvana as well after Rancid.

I got into Nirvana.

Nirvana was everything for a big one.

Yeah, totally, totally.

I got into Nirvana after the whole thing happened.

Like,

I didn't like them when they were famous.

I was more into rap and hair metal.

Not hair metal.

Like Guns N' N' Roses,

Pantera, like not hair metal.

I was like Pantera and stuff.

The Anthrax Public Enemy had to do something for you, I would imagine

soundtrack was probably huge.

Yes, you know, that album sucks.

I like reviewed it on my other show and was like, this is torture.

This is one of the worst things.

Like, I think the two things,

yeah, the two things I've learned doing that podcast is that like Everlast is so bad.

Like,

like, in a, in an astounding way, that, like, that album that hit Whitey Ford Sings the Blues is the worst thing you'll ever hear in your entire life.

It is.

Is that the one with like the famous song?

It has that one.

I know

what it's like.

That was

huge, huge song.

Brian, it was.

It was fucking everywhere.

Have you seen, you've seen the Everlast Woodstock 99 performance, right?

I was at Woodstock 99.

This guy was.

I almost worked it.

I was almost there.

But

I did a podcast where we watched every set.

Yeah.

And that was rough.

But the Everlast set was like, he was trying to be like fucking

this progressive.

He was like Enya.

Like he was, he had all instruments.

There was a flute and a pedal steel.

And like, I'm like, you're the awesome, you're the jump around guy.

You know what I mean?

Like, play jump around.

And he played it.

Yeah, play jump around.

I wonder how often he heard that at his concerts or more more music festivals, probably, because I guess the concerts would be his fans mostly, but at music festivals, you know, just telling him to play jump around.

Jump around so good.

Oh, jump around.

I got it so good.

I mean, Cypress Hill, I was so into as well when I was a kid.

It was one of the first, like that.

And like, I think that was in the same sort of time when I was.

So maybe Snoop Dogg, if it's counting as a group, would be my first favorite artist when I was nine years old, actually.

I have to say, Pat, that my favorite Woodstock 90.

Well, first of all, Corn was my favorite.

I was there for that.

It was awesome.

That was a moment.

Were you in the fucking jump?

Were you in the jump?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Both of them, Lynn Biscuit and Corn.

I was in like

both of them.

Yeah.

That's big.

I can acknowledge that moment.

That's a big thing.

But like, my favorite one to watch now is Buck Cherry.

That is the fucking funniest one where he does like a seven-minute version of either Crazy Bitch or all lit up.

It is so fucking funny.

They didn't have Crazy Bitch at that time.

I was trying to count the fucks during that set and i couldn't like it was it was over like 130.

it's like you animals ready to party man

and then every now and then just

like oh yeah like i'm like you're actually not getting a fellatio right now like he was just talking like he was they're here they come here all the time i mean they do they're columbus like through and through like yeah but columbus is like their new york city like that's the the biggest.

You know what I mean?

Like, wow, we got a capital city.

There's a place called King of Clubs here that has all those.

Oh, Ace of Clubs.

That's so awesome.

You just

named that for cards.

If I was King of Clubs,

I would be a little pissed off if I was King of Clubs, right?

It's like famously worth less than the Ace of Clubs.

It's like lower.

King of Cups.

I wonder what King of Cups.

That's a good venue, though.

Ace of Clubs Cups rocks.

I love Ace of Cups.

It's one of my, and it's the best name of anything that's ever been named.

Ace of Cups.

I love

their bar is like a big waterbed, like

a waterbed headboard is like their bar.

I mean, they I love that place.

I, I, I see.

What's a lot of canceled bands there?

How big?

How big?

Like, how many people does it hold?

I don't know.

Like, like, what type of bands would you see, maybe?

Something like that?

Yeah, we did a show there and did really big, but it's like big, small.

You know, I would say,

you never know.

You could cram probably 500 people.

Who knows?

But Killer Mike there.

So

we're watching Killer Mike.

He has to go on, and I hate this.

This has happened to me.

When I was torn with the old podcasts and stuff, where they're like, we got to do karaoke tonight at nine.

So can you start at six and be done by eight?

No, that's rough.

And I saw Killer Mike at 6 p.m.

on a Tuesday.

Oh, man.

Done by eight.

I was like, man, I can't believe they did that to Killer Mike.

Killer Mike couldn't even get booked over the karaoke.

Damn, karaoke.

He's popular, though.

We're doing a music episode, so we got one more thing we want to do.

You know what?

We got to get you on the stream to watch the Metallica guy, the

Metallica.

Or you just do them.

Are you a whiskey drinker at all?

No.

No,

I'm a teetotaler guy.

I retired from drinking.

I tried.

Yeah, me too.

Me too.

I don't drink either.

Actually, none of us drink on here, I guess.

But I think we could still probably, even just smelling it, you could probably appreciate, as a musician, you'd be able to appreciate the Metallica whiskey because it's

a little different.

It's basically, yeah, they put the music up against the barrels and they play different music playlists of Metallica for it.

And they are taking it quite seriously.

And And Lars and James.

Mozart shit.

This is the Mozart shit.

Yeah,

they were whiskey to hear it.

We watched them have like a very serious discussion about it with some whiskey guy on the stream.

It's completely insane.

And then we kept pointing out that what's his name doesn't drink anymore.

Yeah, James doesn't drink.

James doesn't drink.

He's saying this whiskey is like they're endorsing this whiskey.

He keeps talking about

his alcoholism.

Yeah.

But he's like, so you can't drink this, but how can we keep talking about it like you've drank it?

Either you're lying in some way, you know?

And then, yeah, Lars was just laying in the cut the whole time looking so fucked up.

And then they, yeah, right at the end, he just

the funniest line ever is when he comes in.

The guy that makes the whiskey is like, and everybody has kind of a different palette.

And then Lars was like, you know, the word palate should be used more when it comes to rock and roll, I think.

And just like, very serious.

And then it goes back to the other, the whiskey guy.

And he goes, yeah, like palette has three meanings.

You know what I mean?

And they're like discussing palette.

Like a wood, like a wood palette.

We were joking about that.

Like, you know, like, we're like, oh, like, oh, like, there's a wood, like a palette in a warehouse.

Like, you know, like trying to pretend.

And then they literally started saying that.

Like, that was.

And Lars, Lars has a toothpick in his mouth.

And his hat backwards.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

You don't do that.

Don't do the toothpick.

That's.

Yeah, he looks so old.

He looks so old.

It's crazy.

Now he has huge veneers because when I saw him

here, big chompers.

Oh, no, no, my teeth just got bigger.

I'm not sure.

You could see him because, like, they would put the camera on James when he's singing and you could just see Lars Vach there and it's just fucking his huge white chompers are going.

Oh, white white.

And your teeth aren't growing.

Your teeth are staying the same size.

Oh, that's too bad.

Oh, yeah.

No, mine have gotten quite large.

It's much better for eating.

Well, before we go, I want to do something.

Pat, I I think you'll like this

so I you probably know this that people do reviews of of concerts on ticket master did you know that I didn't know that but it doesn't surprise me yeah it's a great place for reviews you do you get a lot of parking lot reviews a lot of reviews happening you know right as they're watching the show because they're so angry and a lot of people are talking about stuff that really the band doesn't have a whole lot of control over

a lot of stuff about the venue and things like that, you know?

This is a two-star review for the Anthem in Washington.

Review, yeah.

And this is the Anthem in Washington, 9-3-24.

I was already disappointed when Fishbone was removed from the lineup, but the replacement was, I kid you not, a sad karaoke clown.

Literally.

That's not the name of a band.

No, it's not.

A sad karaoke clown.

They're saying that's really what they had.

They had a clown come out and do sad karaoke clown.

That's what I think.

And this is a Primus concert, by the way.

So I don't even know why you're mad that weird stuff is happening.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Right, right, right.

You got to expect it.

You got to come prepared that you might get a little bit fucked with, maybe.

Yep.

I kid you not, a sad karaoke clown, literally a clown who did not play any instruments or have any backup band, just him doing sad covers.

It was the very worst opening act I have ever seen over hundreds of shows in many different genres.

The next act, Cohed and Cambria,

was informed by a doctor just before taking the stage that the singer should not perform that evening.

So that whole set was karaoke too, with the audience filling in the completely unintelligible lyrics.

So this happened.

There's a bunch of reviews where they're like the lead singer, Claudio, of Cohed and Cambra, Cambria, couldn't sing.

And he came out and they were like, would it be all right if we play the songs and you sing in the crowd?

It's like.

And everyone in the crowd is like, I guess so.

All in unison.

Like, I'm not sure what you want us to say.

What's the alternative?

This isn't like back to Blink 182.

Like, this isn't people singing, like, I mus you, miss you.

This is like,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, doesn't this guy sound like Eddie Lee?

And I said that for you again, Chris.

Yeah, thank you.

And I think they mentioned in the post that it's like unintelligible.

It's like very, they're not the type of lyrics that are super clear that everybody knows.

Yeah.

It's prog.

It's prog rock about the guy is telling.

It's my favorite thing.

The Mars Volta did this too when they first came out.

It's this album is a story.

All my albums are a story.

And then he's like, I'll write a comic book of the story so you all understand the story.

And then you read the comic book, and there's just no possible way to fucking understand what he's talking about.

The Mars Volta did that with their first album.

They were like, this album is a concept.

It is telling one story from the first song to the last song.

And I got it on vinyl when it first came out, by the way.

I gave it away.

It's worth like $600 now.

That bums me out.

Sorry.

Actually, the guy I gave it to keeps offering to give it back, but I feel bad.

That could get you one to two Lego sets.

Oh, shut up.

I don't have any Legos anymore.

I used to say that.

I just want to tell you, Pat, the only reason he doesn't have Legos behind him is because he's moving.

That's why it's all blank behind him.

By the way, he used to have a Lego town, like a full town of Legos.

Okay.

You know, some people have to do that.

I've got Lego heads, man.

I got got them.

I got

one of my best friends.

I mean, I'm a big fan of Lego.

It's good looking.

Does he do?

Because I like the creativity of the mock.

Do you know if he does any mocks, like my own creation, or does he do a lot of out-of-the-box crying?

I think he just, wow, I got to talk to him about this because he would know, like, is there, does it, do, do the out-of-the-box people get shamed?

Because I think a little bit, just for lack of creativity, like a lot of the people who are high-level builders,

you know,

are doing a lot of my own creation where they're like, hey, I'm kind of like, I'm a bit of an architect, you know, myself.

Well, he's like a huge Star Wars fuck.

So it's like, you know, he's got all that stuff.

I mean, in all seriousness, I mean, Brian, he stopped buying a lot of it, but Brian used to do like, and Brian's all about the building of it, which makes sense.

It's like a thing to do.

I gave them all away to get places.

Well, I think it has a lot to do with mental health, too.

Like, my friend is always just like, it takes me away.

It just gives me something to do.

Definitely.

Yeah.

And, you know, it's a way to zone out for an hour or whatever.

And I just

watch wrestling and do Legos.

I think for Brian, that, because Brian, you don't really care about women once they're built at all.

Not even at all.

That's why I gave them all away.

Yeah, you guys.

I was like, shit, you just want to.

What am I going to do?

Play with them?

Like, once they're built?

You know, this guy, he goes,

so he goes, with the audience filling in completely unintelligible lyrics, I had been told that I would recognize at least a few of their songs, but no.

Finally, Primus came on, but brought the sad clown back out for two more numbers.

That's funny.

Sad Clown did not seem to know all the lyrics to the Led Zeppelin song they selected to cover.

That's really funny.

This sounds like one of the funniest concerts in the history of the world.

That's amazing.

You know the clown.

It's got to be Puddle's Pity Party.

It is.

Yes.

Yes, it is.

It feels like yeah like it feels odd because if you're a big fan of primus i do feel like you'd be like oh this was awesome it was so crazy and ridiculous that like we were trying to sing you couldn't tell what the you know like this is feels like what you would want at a primus show yeah a weird concert is what you're looking for like some of the Some of the concerts.

The weirdest music in the world.

It's not like you're coming out.

I'm like, all right.

It's like, you know, it's just like, Josie's on a vacation.

Like, no, you're not getting a melody the whole entire night.

You know what I mean?

I yeah, and the clown could have been a little happier to be

on stage, he's making

it's like it's like you're up there on stage, and I'm paying for you to be there.

So, you could be happy.

He goes, uh, he goes, It was so frustrating to wait so long for the only band worth listening to that evening.

Only

concert, you fucking sorry.

That's a concert, yeah.

You have to get and get there, and then you wait a long time.

There's a long time between they do it on purpose, so you'll buy a bunch of drinks.

It's the whole thing, man.

Like, this guy hasn't been to a lot of concerts, I feel like, man.

Because if I didn't want to be stranded downtown after the subway closed, I made the last train of the night with less than a minute to spare.

That was the best part of the entire night.

So glad I saw the farewell to King's Tour two years ago, which was exponentially better than this train wreck of a concert.

That guy did not like the concert.

He didn't have a good time.

He didn't have a good time.

No, here's a one-star.

Oh, no.

Same concert?

No, different one.

Avondale Brewing Company, Birmingham, Alabama, which, by the way, a lot of the reviews for that are like, it was very hot and humid.

One star.

This is Primus as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is Primus.

A show for stoners.

Couldn't hear vocals.

Took nearly 10 musics to get through one song that was originally recorded for five.

Slow.

Puddle's Pity Party made the night for me.

Super disappointed fan.

The line took nearly 10 musics to get through one.

It's so funny.

What does that mean?

I'm still trying to work on that.

I think it's 10 minutes.

Yeah.

That's a tough type, old man.

I mean, I've

edited text.

Don't get it.

Here's a review of five-star.

He goes, they were really good, but they play all the biggest hits last.

Happy I got to see them.

So, hey.

Whoa.

Where plays the hits last?

That's weird.

That's actually, i've never heard of that before they usually top load it and then they sort of take i think they the peter out is what you want to do yes yeah

and finally

uh this guy gave it four stars and this is just such a this is in portland oregon he goes we brought these we bought these vip ticket upgrades and when we got to the concert and was going through the gates we asked about the vip upgrade and the people working there had no idea what the upgrade was

we paid 80 each for these tickets and didn't even use the VIP because no one knew anything about them.

So we had to stand with all the other people who bought their regular $40 tickets.

Oh my God, just wandering around to staff members being like, excuse me, I'm not supposed to be here.

I'm supposed to be with other people.

You know, like, and they're like, nobody knows what you're talking about.

That sounds like an absolute nightmare for a real, like, rich, entitled person, you know?

Oh, it sounds like me joking around about when i go to like

the a hockey game or a soccer where i say like no i bought those tickets because i don't want to sit by regular people oh you're joking like that's a joke yes no well i what is the real reason what is the real reason you buy the really expensive tickets

ice cream

yeah brian buys the yeah he'll sit in a box or whatever you sat in the box for like the luxury what's it called the bread financial club yeah the bread financial club at the columbus Crew Stadium.

It sucked though.

I got in there.

They're like, there's special food in here.

And the food was a fried bologna sandwich.

I couldn't fucking believe it.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, sorry, dude.

You learned an important lesson, hopefully, that night about how they rip off people with money at sporting events.

I don't have money.

I think we should be refunded for the difference.

And then when we got there, the parking lot was full.

And they were telling everyone.

The parking lot was full at a concert?

Come on.

That's fucked.

What the hell, man?

Do something about it, man.

Sometimes you read these and obviously they're just about the venue.

It is Ticketmaster.

Yeah, of course.

They think that it's...

I mean, the truth of it is nobody's seeing it at all.

I don't know who, like, they think, like,

who is actually reading them other than us?

But, like, who is like, are the bands definitely not?

Like, is the management of that?

Like, what is the hope when you're writing it even that the venue representative is going to, Why would they do that?

I'll be reading it now.

You got another person.

Like, I'm in.

Oh, this is my kind of scene.

I think people who are listening to the podcast sometimes will go and read them now because I don't think anybody really realizes

before we started doing it that they even exist.

And they are some of the better reviews.

What's another, what's the other place that has really good reviews?

Or, I mean, well, Ticketmaster has really good reviews, and it's

the when you look up a band like, so I looked up the reviews of Slippery Win Wet, a tribute to Bon Jovi,

and it had reviews, and they were so fucking good.

Like 90% of them are like, these guys better than Bon Jovi.

Oh, yeah.

That's so unfair.

That's a good thing for the coverman.

Like, these guys are honestly better than Bon Jovi.

It's so unfair to do that.

Because Bon Jovi made all the fucking music.

You know, it's Bon Jovi.

But when you get drunk and you hear people who are like...

competent musicians play like a good recreation of the song live,

they tricked their brains, I think, in that moment to be like, it couldn't be better than this.

Like, nobody could play it better than this.

It was incredible.

It was perfect.

Last week, I saw like one of the toughest,

I think one of the toughest gigs I've ever seen in my life.

I was walking and there's like tough.

You don't mean it in like the current, because tough now would mean good, like to say goodbye.

No, I'm talking about,

I would, it's one of those ones, yeah, where you're like, I don't know why I do this.

You know, it's like, I always talk about when my, when I did my old podcast, we did a show in Vegas And we're selling out all over, like not huge shows, but like 100, 200, 300 tickets most places.

And we get to Vegas and we're all excited.

Ah, we're fucking performing in Vegas.

Eight paid.

There were eight

paid people there.

And you want to know something?

It turned out to be the best damn show on the tour.

It's so bad.

Because I'm up there because we're talking.

And then there's these guys standing by the fucking pool table and they're having a conversation, and you can hear them over us.

So, like, they're talking about wrestling in the corner.

We're on stage.

And you're distracted by that, obviously.

Brian, that was a big issue.

And Brian was just like,

what are you talking about?

Like, oh, he was an intercontinental champ in 96 already.

He had a three-month run.

What the fuck?

Intercontinental's always been one of the funniest things that's ever.

Two continents.

It's just that's fucking amazing.

Intercontinental.

But if you go to like Europe, it's not going to work.

It's not respected.

You're no longer the chance.

What are the continents?

Have we ever, did they ever establish?

I do know that it's North America and South America because it was down, I think, in Brazil.

Pat Patterson was the channel.

I can't believe him.

No, I appreciate it.

Oh, I needed to know.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

But I get, there's a guy at this show.

There's people at the bar.

The bar didn't kick him out.

You know what I mean?

They couldn't.

What are they going to kick him out?

Eight fucking random people.

You know what I mean?

You don't have any power to kick anybody.

But you have to do the show.

That's the part that sucks about it.

You can't just say, let's just fucking not do this.

You know what I mean?

You could, could you not?

Or refund them?

It was like a thing with the venue or something.

We could have refunded them, of course.

Yeah.

But it wasn't like we made a bunch of money.

I think we made $40 off the gig.

I would have refunded them and not done the show for eight people, I think.

I don't know, though.

It's tough to say.

I've definitely

done something performing, not music that we don't talk about that much, not improv comedy.

Stand-up comedy.

This guy always bragging about his stand-up career.

But I just have done comedy shows where there's like that few people.

And

what was that?

For stand-up.

Was that Brian?

Wait, you have a sound for it?

Yeah.

What do you want?

You want Billy?

Oh, I love it.

Have you had a guest yet that brought his own soundboard?

Well, DB does.

Our first ever guest and friend of the show, Mike Hale, he does have one, but he doesn't really use it.

And

I was completely blindsided by that.

I'm sorry about that.

And I love, don't get me wrong, but like

stand-up comedy is so gross.

Like the way that everyone talks about it so much.

Well,

no, I totally agree.

It's so self-fucking.

Importantly,

I 100% agree, Pat.

The way civilians talk about stand-up is disgusting.

Like, they know what we go through.

Like, they know how hard it is.

And I'm just joking.

I standing up for

free speech.

You're always up there standing up for free speech.

You're like on the front line.

It is really, truly awful.

It's something that I like to make fun of a lot.

This is my favorite sound clip, and then we'll get out of here.

All right.

This is Minnie Gene Simmons from Mini Kiss,

shortly before he died.

Yo, man, they are hot.

Damn, what's up, girls?

They're hot, man.

I mean, I'm tired.

I've been on the road for a long time.

What I would love to do right now, man.

He's talking to bikini ladies,

bikini ladies in person.

They're very scared when he's saying it.

He's so sweaty.

And truly, he was so horny there and he fucking died.

Well, he didn't die die because he was horny, but he didn't know that.

But I'm just saying he died like so soon.

We looked it up and he died before the video came out, even.

So, like, rest in peace to Minnie Gene Simmons.

Honestly, rest in peace to Minnie Simmons.

You know, I'm not dead.

I mean, I just, when you have it, you got to use it.

But that was the most, that was the biggest left turn anyone's ever taken me on, and I loved it.

Minnie Gene Simmons dies, horny Minnie Gene Simmons.

Yeah.

Let me just say this real quick, though, as far as like looking up reviews.

Here's the scene I've been into lately, state fairs.

So, like, there's, there's a whole scene of people reviewing state fairs.

And I saw one the other day that was fucking great.

A guy was bitching.

I was like, this used to use.

I think it was like either, it was either the Erie State Fair.

It was in Pennsylvania.

The waffle fries aren't as good as they used to be.

And they're 850.

Then the funnel cake, there's only two stations for funnel cake.

And it was awesome.

And it's like the parking, now they get you for eight.

It used to be five, and the ice cream was, you know, melted by the time I had it.

Like, he went on this run and he didn't talk about like a family member with him.

Like I think this guy was just solo at the state fair.

Fair guy.

Right?

Fair guy.

No, there's one comment under it and I'll never forget it.

It's the funniest thing I've ever read that just said,

sorry you didn't have a good time at the fair.

Oh, wow.

God, I love that.

I love reviews.

You know what it was?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They didn't even meet it.

Those are all his best.

Sorry, you didn't have a good time at the fair.

He didn't have a good time.

The ice cream melted.

Yeah, it did.

It did.

Yeah, sometimes

some of those, sometimes it just, everything that could go wrong does go wrong.

And you're just out there and, you know, your ice cream cone falls down and a fucking bird comes and flies in

your hair.

And it's just picturing him sad.

Picturing him like, because you're picturing him being mad all day.

Oh, yeah, he's like got a real hang dog look on his face.

You know, he's like parking around right now.

The parking set him off.

It was five bucks, now it's eight.

You know,

I got a fucking crisp Fiverr right here ready for the parking.

Now I'm doing it.

I'm getting change because I'm not giving him, I'm not going to give him.

I don't know the change.

You know, he's like, I'm going to go get my own change.

And yeah, the whole day

now he's looking for change.

There's cars behind him.

He's pissed.

He was starting to think, like, oh, man, I'm causing this just because they went up eight.

So now he's coming in.

He's like, all right, I i need some funnel cake i'll go to the place where there always is funnel cake

that'll say something else you know what

the only thing that will that will make me feel better after that parking debacle is my sweet sweet funnel cake and he just fucking oh he gets there and he's and he's doing he's scratching his head looking around like it was you know he's looking it was right you know he's look talking to other people and pointing to other guys like you know this is where the funnel cake used to be nobody paying attention to people acting like he's not even there.

They move the funnel cake.

He goes to an employee that's like 16 years old.

Yeah.

He's like, did they move the funnel cakes?

The funnel cakes used to be right here.

I don't know what a funnel cake is.

I don't know what a funnel cakes are.

What are you talking about, sir?

Yeah.

Well, that's so good.

I'm going to have to look those up.

You got to, if you go on Ticketmaster on the app and look up tribute bands, you will love it.

It is, it's really cool.

Oh, yeah.

I've been hunting down to this one Foo Fighter's tribute from El Paso.

I might go.

Like, you gotta see the Nate Mandel guy.

It's unbelievable.

He actually has red hair.

It's awesome.

Like, to try to look like the Foo Fighters is fucking hilarious.

That's what I like, the Red Knot Chili Peppers.

I like when they, well, but they have a big issue, the Red Knot Chili Peppers.

Yeah, they have one.

They have a tiny drummer, unfortunately,

which is really fucked up because, of course, the drummer, Red Knott Chili Peppers, is quite as large.

Yeah, he's huge.

And so he's like, he's very tiny.

And they're trying to shoot pictures of him

in a way that makes them look like.

Like, there's one good one where, like, he's standing in a back, and Anthony Keatus is like.

Lean down.

He's leaned down because you can't fully show how tiny the drummer is because it's so distracting where everybody would just come to the show and they'd be like, hey, can we meet the tiny drummer?

Like, can we talk to him and see what his whole deal is?

Like, he's so small.

And most of the bands we saw had one tiny member, honestly.

Yeah, no.

the slippery win-wet one, the Richie Sambora guy, is so thin.

Like, in a way,

he just, it's small.

He's smaller than Richie.

How's the Tico?

They, I, I, they don't look bad.

I will say

David Bryan with the curly hair.

Trying to look like them is really, really good.

And I honestly, I really think that, like, and I could be wrong here, but off base, but like, I think you should do that.

If you're doing that, I think you should.

If you're going going to go out, and that's hey, my job is to play in this cover.

But oh, I just realized I guess a lot of them aren't doing it for a living.

So they are here

curling their hair in a berm or whatever.

And then, as we discussed before, with the Hulk Kogan look, they're just going out and living their life after that.

People are like, why do you look so much like, you know,

this is slippery when wet.

I can get this picture.

I'll click the picture so you can see them because it's a good picture i oh yeah

i have a text thread with a couple friends that's just sending tribute band guys back and forth i love that like

if they're not gonna dress up like there's there's so many tom petty ones me and a bunch of my buddies in philly we do a tom petty band but we don't dress up we just but then like the one guy will look like petty the rest will just have vests on

you know what i mean like this is a badass photo here they are and that's slippery when wet the bottom

keep

Keep the faith era, kind of.

So you got one guy that kind of, you got the one guy.

And then the other guy, there's a Hugh McDonald could be the bass player to tie it all back together because Alex Van Such, no longer with us.

You know, Hugh McDonald was brought in.

And a lot of people say that he played on all those early sessions as well.

Jobo didn't like Alex.

Alex Van Such was just a stage guy.

That's a good question that I just asked myself: is what about if you have a tribute band and then there's like, is it totally in poor taste to go with an older member who's passed away?

Like, could you do like, hey, we're Pink Floyd, but I'm, you know, we're doing Sid Barrett, Pink Floyd, and that's what we're attributing to.

Or should you,

should you be doing the final incarnation of the band?

Well, the thing is, is that like, you can look like the actual band now.

You know what I mean?

Like, you just get, like, foreigners, like, actually a tribute band.

No one's in the fucking band anymore.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

Yeah, you have one guy.

Yeah, they don't even have one guy.

Like there's, there's not even, it is a full-on tribute band.

Mick Jones used to come out and do four songs.

He doesn't anymore.

Now I sound like Eddie Trunk, but like you,

you have,

it's like, it's amazing what people buy just because of the branding.

But it's true.

Like if you get some old band like Kansas or something like that, you get a bunch of haggard looking fucking 68 year olds.

It's going to be the same fucking thing.

It's like nobody knows what Kansas looks like, you know.

So

you have to get, you just have to get like their permission or whatever, or something.

If you want, and then you could be like, No, we're not a tribute band, we're the actual band.

We just don't have any of the members, we're like the new band.

Well, we have we do have a guy, Pat, that we watch often.

He's a class, we he's we did an episode classic rock guys.

It was like this, it's the second episode.

There's this guy on uh

on YouTube named Michael Noland that we that we watch his videos, and he is so mad at foreigner yeah and like he'll every he's just like it's not even a real fucking band hey and he gets mad he's mad also that Robert Plant and Jimmy Page won't do one last tour sure it's like they're 80 dude

he want yeah but he wants that tour

he really wants that tour he's yeah he's a classic old like rock guy he's got all his old friends that like go on calls and just discuss old rock and roll he's so classic rock dude go ahead he's so classic rock that not only he has like classic rock things hanging up behind him in his room but he also is like a karate guy too which i think like mixes that mixes very well with classic rock it does it really does it's awesome

but he's so mad do you get into the guess who scene at all i don't want to you know the guess who is great because the drummer's with the name hang on a second the drummer has the name so the drummer's been like trotting out this like 44.

And my line is that they always try to find 44-year-olds that look like they're 68.

You know what I mean?

So it's like they like the young guy, but like the young-looking old guy.

That's sweet because then he can go for longer, but he also looks the part.

He can hear the notes.

Yeah, but it is also kind of believable that maybe was in the band.

But the guess who kind of doesn't do anything like that, it's just the drummer and then a bunch of like kind of like 45-year-olds, whatever.

But Burton Cummings, the guy who wrote all the songs and the main guy, you should know this Canadian.

Of course.

He went so far as to try to shut them down that he actually removed the ass cap and royalties from those songs so that they cannot be played in any, like, because

even if you have a jukebox, you have to pay to a certain thing so songs can be played.

He is no longer capable.

Those songs can't make anybody any money.

So they are no longer allowed to play American Woman.

They could play like their songs from 1995.

Yeah.

They can't play these eyes.

They can't play.

It's a matter of time.

He basically shut them down and he can't make any money on them anymore.

He obviously felt like, hey, I have enough money.

You know, I'm okay in the end of my life.

I don't need any more money and it's worth it to cost myself the money.

So these fucks stop going around playing all the fantastic songs I wrote.

Yeah,

they can't play lying, but like their fans could go and hear them play their new songs.

Like if it was only if

Poison could only play songs off of

what's the poison uh 1993 terrible am i freaking native is it native something well they're all terrible but i mean like if poison could only play native tongue yeah imagine you go there and you don't know like i wonder would they have to say that or it's like a pretty well-known thing but imagine you go to the show and you have no idea and you're like i guess they're saving them all up for the end

and then you're like sitting there like okay this they're gonna put them all in the encore that's interesting

first version i've always like i wish you know, I have all these ideas, of course, if you're a billionaire, but like, I've always wanted to produce a movie or go to see movies like starring Tom Cruise, and then Cruise just dies in the first version.

Oh, yeah.

And then you've got no buddies and just seeing how long people hang in in the theater.

You know what I mean?

I do, I do want to say I did learn something from your channel, Pat.

And it was fascinating.

I tell everybody now that two of the guys in Journey were doing, were touring together and suing each other at the same time.

Like Like they were standing on stage performing together and suing each other.

While the lawsuit's happening.

Yeah, it was live.

Yeah, it happens all the time.

Live, you know, the band live, they went through a huge thing.

Oh, yeah, very, very, very well versed.

Yeah, Ed Walter.

So just to go into podcast world, I did a podcast for about a year or so, and then I was contractually obligated to do three more episodes of it.

So I didn't want to do it anymore, though.

So all I did was just turn it into the saga of live.

So I was just researching live.

So like the last like three things I did was all about the fact that there was two chats in live, which has always been one of my favorite things.

And then first they lost one of the chads and then they lost both chads and now it's a chadless live.

And then they gave all their money to this fibric octave, the fiber octave guy.

Yeah.

And that's like really weird.

Oh, yeah, it's wild.

And I actually interviewed Andy Green, who did the story in Rolling Stone, and he said that he had threats from the guy from jail.

So he's like i can't really talk about this guy

wow it was amazing

lightning crashes and i love that ed is just like i don't need any of this

like the the the the read i got from reading that article was ed was like

i don't need this i just won't do it like he he

put me on a cruise and i'll sing i alone you know what i mean like this is what people are fighting about i alone you know what i mean like they just trot out these five songs like that's all bands are when you realize it's just like when a booking agent hires somebody or a promoter hires somebody, they're like, they're not getting live.

They're like, okay, we're getting i alone lightning crashes all over you, and people want to hear those songs.

So, yeah, we're booking those five songs.

You know what I mean?

And that's all they do is just go around fighting over who plays the five songs.

Cumbersome and Water's Edge is all 7 Mary 3 have.

They only have two.

They're hiring cumbersome.

You're being very nice, including Water's Edge.

You're being very nice.

Damn.

i i actually i have like an affinity for that song um

by

one hit from candlebox that they have far behind i have like an affinity for that song i love it i don't know why and then they have the song you

where they say fuck and they would play fuck on the fuck you yeah

i did if i ever do bring back i wish i had this sound clip right now you can take this idea if you want i've i've wanted to, if I ever bring the podcast back,

I want to end it with the far behind note.

Every episode just ends with, let me far behind.

Just him doing his axle.

I think that guy's name is Kevin.

I believe it is.

Pat, I appreciate you coming on the show.

It's been a blast.

So cool to have you on.

I'm a huge fan of that.

You guys are fucking funny.

I'm going to be listening to the show from now on.

Sorry.

I mean, you know, this is fucking great.

I I love it.

You don't have to.

It's nice to, there's no real, you know, prep required for the show, truly.

We almost prefer it when people don't prep for it.

Don't forget to.

I listen to fucking last night.

I couldn't fall asleep.

I was listening to Alaska.

How, how Alaska came to be.

You know,

like Russia.

Like, I'm, I'm, I'm watching shipping stuff.

I'm not watching anything about like, and then I'll watch stuff about like, you know, obviously I watched like a lover boy concert from Red Rocks last year.

Um, I'm doing a video on that right now, but I mean, I do a lot of like uh engineering stuff in my free time.

Yeah, I watch a lot of police body cam footage.

Oh, that is beautiful.

So, let Pat, I want to tell you that one of the one last thing about bassists, one of the most common things I've seen, this is a question that's asked all the time.

Yeah, ever been Anne Justice for Ald in the mix?

So,

you'd like that because I know that the bass player got completely, Jason Nustad got completely cut out of that album.

Like,

they acted like it wasn't their band.

They punished their own sound.

Well, Cliff, Cliff, when Cliff died,

they had to bring in a new bass player, but they hated him because he wasn't Cliff.

So they blamed Jason Neustadt basically for killing

their old bass player.

And then to make him, you know, to really

to beat him down even more, they took him down in the mix so they couldn't hear bass.

So there's just like no bass on that album.

And people hate, like, people like the album, obviously, but they're like, this would be so much better with bass, even to the point where bass players on YouTube will play the bass for the whole album.

Yeah, like, yeah, that's, because that is, that's a wild self-sabotage thing to do.

That's, you know, to just be like, yeah, we're, to fuck this guy over, we're going to make our, yeah, our song sound worse.

But it would be like someone on your basketball team dies tragically, and then you bring in a new player that brings him in, and the coach puts a fucking blindfold on him.

You know what I mean?

Like, all right, go out there.

And you get number 17, and he's like, I can't, I don't know who number 17 is.

I have a fucking blindfold on him.

What does he smell like?

What does 17 smell like?

And they'll give it a shot.

That's why Robert Trujillo getting a million dollars to sign with him in some kind of monster is incredible because they were like, well, you know, now we're nice to our bass player after Newstead leaves.

The best scene in that movie, period.

There's a lot.

I know it's great.

But the one where Lars and James, I think it's Lars and James or Lars and Kurt, go to see Jason Newstead's new band, and it feels so uncomfortable while they're there.

And they're like, yeah, this is

really something.

And

they're in the club, so they're also just like, you know, kind of like the seniors that are coming in to watch like a freshman basketball game or something like that.

It's so good.

Pat,

tell everybody where to find you.

The internet.

Pat Fennerty bullshit.

What makes this song stink?

The first video I saw of yours was Fuel Observations video, where you zeroed in on the drummer

of Fuel Throw.

He looked like he's going to die.

He's going to bar.

That was awesome.

Thank you for doing this again, Pat.

I really appreciate it.

I appreciate it.

Thanks for having me, guys.