Guys: Episode 105 - Rat Pack Guys with Hayes Davenport

Are you gonna go?

Uh, are you gonna go?

Sure, I will.

I got okay.

Hello.

It's me.

It's Brian, and Chris is here.

Hi, Chris.

Hello.

We're here.

This is us, but it's not us that you're going to hear after.

After is us from a different time.

We recorded this is a different time,

but we are putting it out before the episode that comes out today that you're listening to right now.

I know you're excited to get to the heavy metal song that opens, but before we do that, we have a message that we have to give.

And

let me first start out by saying I did bowl a 300.

I do have the ring.

So

that is the announcement.

No.

On to the show.

And the announcement is that, and we've been teasing this a little bit, we did a live show in Vancouver sometime.

British Columbia.

And it was a lot of fun.

And we had a good time.

And we decided to do another one.

We can't do it in America due to the great Canada-America war that is ongoing, but we are doing it in Canada out east in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

And we're doing it, what day is it on?

It's on

Thursday, Thursday, April the 24th.

I think that's the day.

Yeah, just

bring up a calendar and make sure it's okay.

It is.

I looked at the calendar every day of my life.

So, Thursday, April 24th at the Garrison in Toronto.

Tickets will go on sale next week in a week's time.

If you're American, keep in mind the Canadian dollar is really low.

So stuff

costs a lot less for you.

But yeah, we'll have tickets on sale.

You'll be able to grab them.

We'll have a link.

Maybe we'll have it on the geysery.

I'm not sure.

Brian, what do you anything else to add?

It'll be fun.

And, you know, you have plenty of time.

I did look at hotels and shit, and you can get good deals on hotels.

So please come up to Toronto

and watch us.

And And if you live in Toronto, you can come as well.

No, don't.

I don't want you there.

But yeah, come if you live in Toronto or come if, you know, I looked up.

There's some places that are close to there.

And who knows what's going on?

We're trying to get a visa going on, but who knows what's going on?

So I would just say

I would just say, you know, come out to the live show if you want to see us do a live show.

Please come to the show.

And also enjoy Rat Pack Guys with Hayes Davenport.

I shouldn't have done that because maybe we'll put that before the other episodes too.

But you know what?

Hello, welcome to guys,

a podcast about guys.

I'm Brian, and with me is my rock and roll partner, Christians.

See, I do know that in this context, that's an insult.

Normally, it's very cool.

He's telling rock and roll is the top cool thing.

Usually, the coolest thing I could think of is being a rock and roll guy, but I know that these guys don't think that at all.

No, they don't like rock and roll.

I don't think they're like a rock partner.

Here's my rock and roll partner.

We like the rock and roll together.

Well, I don't like the rock and roll.

I only listen to the great American songbook.

We have as a guest this week from Hollywood Handbook, Hayes Davenport.

Hi, Hayes.

What's up, guys?

What are they?

What are they?

They have names.

What do they call you guys on here?

Big Whiskey and the Gruegrux King or something?

That would be nice.

Yeah, Brian would really.

No, don't say that.

I'm a huge step up from the real thing.

It's Cueber and the Griss.

That's our shock jock name.

Okay, that's right.

That's what people take to wrestling so that I can then see the nickname that people called me when I was 17 in high school.

You go on another show, you came on our show, and all the comments are like Queber and the Chris.

All right.

It's like, don't take that in here.

Just talk about our shit.

That's fat.

It is annoying.

I do notice that anytime anything happens that we have anything to do with, it does feel like a bunch of people, it's like they don't read the comments and see that someone already said it because they will also comment Cueber and the Gris.

And yeah, Brian legitimately hates it because it's his nickname from when he was a kid and he thought he finally outgrew it.

And now sometimes he'll tune into his favorite wrestling AEW and somebody will be literally holding up a sign that says Queeber on it.

They have to register that they've heard the show and that they know it.

And they can't just say that.

We did get one recently that I did like on wrestling.

It said Cesaro is a single guy.

Oh, that's good.

Yeah.

That's good.

That doesn't have anything to do with me.

You know, that's what I like.

But it does have to do with the show, just to be clear, because weirdly enough, yeah, single guys are also part of our show.

But we don't need to get into all of that.

We don't need to get into that.

Hello,

hey, boys.

It's Frank Sinatra.

Oh, thank you for getting us back on track.

Do I sound at all like a crooner?

Do I

pick this one?

What?

I mean, it's not even, it's not singing, really.

But

hello.

No.

I mean,

what's your background there?

Do you have

any training?

Well, I'm kind of like Frank Sinatra in that I'm self-taught.

Right.

And is that a famous thing about him?

He just showed up one day.

To be honest, I didn't even look that up.

I should have looked that up.

Is Frank Sinatra self-taught?

And I don't think he is at all.

I don't think so either.

I think he probably has training and everything like that.

But, Brian, I will say the beginning, your crooning was like, I would say for one or two seconds, was okay in the beginning, but it did sort of fall off after that.

It wasn't, I will say, it wasn't McFarlane level.

That's thank you for mentioning.

Well, he cars.

Our most famous crooner, like the actual most famous crooner that we have.

He comes up later.

All right, we can save it.

Well, yeah, I'll even read it.

Do you know my connection to this?

I mean, I have stories.

We didn't.

We love McFarlane.

Brian listens to his crooning albums, and we listened to a bunch of them on episodes before, so we do love it.

But

are you friends with McFarland?

But you haven't listened to it live.

No, brother.

Wow.

You've never heard it live, so you ain't heard it, brother.

You went to see it live?

I mean,

if it comes up later,

it either comes up later or now.

So it's now called.

I say now.

I say now.

I need to hear it now.

Yeah, I need to hear it.

I told this story on another show, but I wrote on Family Guy for a season, left of my own volition.

Thank you very much.

I was not fired from Family Guy

for being too edgy.

He was actually, I heard you weren't, yeah,

they wouldn't have

like that's a kind of shit that they're doing now, but 11 years ago, they weren't, they weren't ready, yeah.

So

my season happened to be, so I show up day one, bottle of scotch on my desk,

note on Seth McFarlane stationery.

I don't know, it was locked something,

Note on Seth McFarlane Stationery, kind of big piece of paper and just welcome written in tiny letters.

Never saw him the entire.

I mean, it's like was already a pretty well-known thing that he was not like in the writer's room on a daily basis at that point.

Like it was season, I think, 13.

It's like a lot to expect for

any man.

Even a man as young as he was still at the time.

I could actually do it.

Like, you would still hang around in the writer's room.

Yeah, I'd be there every day.

So I'm a hard worker.

But that's why you're not in that place, you know what I mean?

So we'll never have to, like, the fact that you would just want to show up and just dick around in the writer's room.

Like, you know,

blue-collar guy.

He's out of work.

He's like, hey, he's 60 hours a week.

He's meeting people.

Seth is out doing meetings and stuff like that to get the show more popular, obviously.

And singing, which is what he, you know, famously would like to be doing.

doing.

So

he,

I mean, what my exposure to him was we would do table reads, and he would call in and do the table reads on speakerphone.

And

his talent as a voice actor is almost, was almost like better to experience just like through the phone.

He would go on these long riffs, have these like long conversations between like Brian and Stewie or whatever, and it was fucking sick.

It was awesome to watch.

And like, these are my guys, Brian and Stewie.

Like, these are my guys.

You know what I mean?

And I get to actually

hear the real thing.

But I didn't have to see him actually do it, maybe twist up his mouth in a way that would be like fun to watch.

You know, that type of thing.

So, anyway,

never met him, except

it comes around his 40th birthday was that season, Seth McFarlane's 40th birthday.

He rents out

Royce Hall, a UCLA, huge performance facility, flies in a hundred-piece orchestra from London.

Yes.

That

does

like the old studio orchestras no longer exist.

They go to like Bratislava or whatever to record a lot of this stuff now.

So he flies in an orchestra that can do this kind of thing,

gets on stage, tears off some like MGM standards.

Ding, ding, ding goes the trolley.

Like, like over the rainbow, like that type of stuff.

Is it hitting hard with the crowd?

I mean, and the crowd, by the way, is like it's me and like some really, really famous people.

He was doing a Million Ways to Die in the West at the time.

So, like, Olivia Wilde and

yeah, Amila's there.

yes

Hillary said hi next time you see her Ashton's there like it's the type of thing like that you know they're both showing up like this is Seth you know yeah

and

it was he's a good singer there's no like you know

we've seen him yeah but like and like the orchestra was great

we go

down they've also rented out like the the glower green at UCLA so we go down the big steps there's this gigantic tent you go in and it's like a speakeasy style setup.

It's called the Moonlight Lounge.

Everyone has this huge party.

He dips.

He goes back to like the

kind of separate party at his house.

He didn't want to hang out with

me.

I was like, that was my only face-to-face interaction with him.

I was like the

fifth person in a little group conversation when he came over and just like said hi.

I would hang out with you, Hayes.

I would actually hang out with the workers.

What?

See, again, what's happened?

I would hang with the workers.

Yeah, not Hayes.

I would be hanging out in the underground part.

Like I'd be, we'd be singing and dance.

Like it would be more fun down there as well.

Like way more fun down there.

Not me.

Not me.

I'm a man of the people.

So I did look up Seth McFarlane Frank Sinatra.

So did he did he did he sing any Frank Sinatra songs though, Hayes?

Just quickly, did he sing any Frank Sinatra songs when he did his crooning?

I think the theme, there was a theme to the evening and it was like these studio orchestras have left L.A.

They've left America.

You can't get this here anymore.

This is what we're doing tonight.

I don't think he did any Frank, but I'll tell you who was there.

I'll tell you who was there for sure.

Frank Jr.

I didn't actually see him, but

there's no doubt in my mind.

I would literally bet my life that Frank Jr.

was there.

Because they have a whole thing going as you've seen on screen.

So, in the AI overview, when you search Seth McFarlane,

Frank Sinatra, it says

McFarlane trained with, so it says Seth McFarlane and Frank Sinatra have a few connections, including McFarlane trained with Sinatra's vocal teachers for 10 years to develop his jazzy sound.

That's such a classic rich guy move.

You know, he's like so obsessed with Sinatra that he goes and like finds all of the stuff that he did to make himself like the next Sinatra.

I love it.

Sinatra seniors, vocal teachers?

That's what he's saying.

That's what AI is telling us.

Who am I to argue with AI?

Yeah, it feels like that they might be older, but they probably still got it.

You know what I mean?

They probably still got it.

I mean, that kind of implies that Sinatra in his 50s was still going to lessons.

Like

vocal lessons.

To younger people as well than him.

Yeah, I mean, like, he was getting taught by younger people.

I just thought thought he did that.

I don't question AI.

It also said McFarlane's 2015 album, No One Ever Tells You, features Chuck Berghoffer, Sinatra's bassist, and a 65-piece orchestra.

The album was nominated for a Grammy for Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album.

And it says McFarlane voiced Frank Sinatra's Jr.

in the Family Guy episode, Tales of a Third Grade Nothing.

And so, yeah, he did.

So McFarlane does have some.

Maybe it says McFarlane voiced him?

No, he didn't.

That's the AI is so wrong.

He voiced himself.

There's a link I can click.

Yeah, the link is going to take you to something where it's the algorithm.

I'm telling you, that AI, it's not been perfected on the AI.

It's not good.

I did click the link.

Yeah.

I'm not joking.

I think maybe like every single thing that I've looked up on Google with that AI, it's had incorrect information in it.

It's cool that Google's just running with it anyways, though.

It's just doing it anyways.

I went to Facebook, and

there is a group called Yesterday in America.

Let me show you guys the picture that they're all talking about.

And, you know, they posted a nice picture of the boy standing in front of the sand.

Oh,

that's the shot.

That's the shot right there.

Yeah, that's the one.

That's the one where they got Peter and Joey in there.

Yeah, I don't know those guys.

I only know the big three.

Peter got kicked out later.

I don't know who Peter Lawford is at all, but I know he's a lot of people.

Peter, I think, was the one that was like a little too, a little too ratty for the pack.

He was a bit too much rat, not enough pack.

They actually said, I'll tell you what they said.

They said that Peter was friends with John F.

Kennedy.

And Frank Sinatra was pissed off at him because he,

because Bobby Kennedy was his friend, and he didn't let John F.

Kennedy stay at

Frank's Palm Springs house one time because he didn't want to tie some of the patients.

I guess even at that point, like your only rival, your only romantic rival on planet Earth is still someone that you would be pretty like pissed off at.

You know what I mean?

Even though like you have almost every, there's literally only one guy that can step to you

at all.

But like you still, you're going to be like pretty pissed at that guy.

Yeah, you want to be number one.

You're so close.

You're so close.

It's almost arguably you're more pissed at him.

Like you or I, it's like, we're not even close, you know?

Well, this guy goes, nothing like classic Vegas.

Modern Vegas can't compare.

Last time I was in Vegas, I was sad to see what has become of it.

I mean, I think that just sort of speaks to the world and America.

Like, I think it's like that everywhere.

Well, Vince replied, and he said, such a classy bunch of guys, singing and entertainers.

So I guess that's like two separate.

Well, no, that is true there.

They were the classic entertainers.

They did it all.

They sang, they danced, they acted.

They did stand-up.

Well,

yeah, I guess.

Better than Chris?

I don't know that we need to say that.

I mean, I guess.

I mean, I think it was we were doing a, we did a different thing, probably, you know?

Like, I thought that's not.

Yeah, like, and that's how they would think of it, too.

Like, it's not a competition that's not a competition.

It's two different industries.

And, and also, honestly, because, like, they are kind of comedians, if you are a stand-up comedian and you've ever been one, you've ever, you know,

been with somebody who's treaded the boards, you know that there's there's solidarity amongst the group no matter what so they would stand up for me and they would say no he's doing his own thing you know they'd say things like it's known as parallel thought and it's a very tight community nino says every time i see this photo or one like it it makes me want to be somewhere in it with them the rat pack truly made an impression on vegas and the u.s

Yeah, it makes you

good.

They truly made an impression.

They left a mark, didn't they?

Frank Sinatra.

When I see a friend,

I want to be with them somewhere.

Well, this is not to go back to Seth, like the Frank Jr.

thing,

every

big-time showrunner, every showrunner has like their famous friend that when you're breaking an episode, they'll be like, oh, like they'll talk about how they're friends with Chris Rock and be like, oh, we should go see if Chris would want to do a guest spot in this.

He loves the show.

He loves coming to do this.

You never hear about it again because he called him.

He's like, no.

But that.

And Seth had like those relationships.

I pitched a joke about, this was pre other stuff with Louis C.K., but like a joke about the show Louie, a cutaway that got in.

And this is the only like direct comment that I ever heard Seth having had made about anything I wrote.

He said, this is very funny.

But Louie reached out to me, says that he likes Family Guy.

And so I kind of want to like, you know,

I kind of don't want to put this in, but he was never like, let's put this guy in the show, let's put that in the show, about really anybody except Frank Jr.

And if there was like singing stuff in an episode, he'd be like, let's see if we can get Frank Jr.

in here, Brian sings with Frank Jr.

like whatever it is.

And Frank Jr., of course, is like, yeah, sure.

Already

available.

But

it does seem like he's maybe is very obsessed with Frank Sinatra, possibly.

But in this same way of like,

it's a, you know, it's a Sissyphian.

This culture does not exist anymore, but he, I think he was, you know, born in the wrong time.

Like, he wants to be as close to it as he could possibly be.

It's a very

heartfelt connection that he has.

Well, that's something I told Chris.

I actually told Chris while I was prepping this, I was like, this episode could have been 19-year-olds that wish they were born in the 20s, guys, because it's so many guys like that.

This person goes, I saw that one imploded.

Not sure what is there now about the hotel.

Gets a reply.

Guy goes, nothing but overpriced hotels and tourism fees.

Vegas bores me these days.

And then this person responds and goes, Don't forget the hookers.

They even have male ones for women and gay men.

What?

Yeah, I don't know.

What the fuck is happening to this room?

I'm familiar with the ones for straight men, but what the hell?

That's a bridge too far.

You call them up, you know, they're like in the street, like wrapping the little cards.

You get the card, you call them up, and they're like, oh, I'm sorry, you want what?

You're a man, and you want to have sex.

I'm sorry, you want to have sex with a woman?

You're a woman and you want to have sex with a man and you're going to pay money for it?

This is

like, yeah,

you got to take that somewhere else, pal.

We don't

do that here.

I've actually never even heard of that before.

We're going to have to.

And And finally,

Louis says, to this day, I say, what a shame those people decided to tear down old Las Vegas, the very place where true talent lived and partied.

Just think of being able to go into a hotel lounge where the rat pack drank and did their off-screen act.

They owned Vegas.

So he wanted to hear some racial slurs.

He just wanted to be able to go in there.

Like, imagine you go to a place where Frank Sinatra was eating before.

I mean, that does seem pretty cool.

I think the reason they tore it down, like the the old Vegas, they're referring to the one that was like exclusively owned by the mafia.

Yeah, I believe.

Yeah, that was the good Vegas where you could get killed.

Yeah, I mean, I think that, like, yeah, I guess that it was, again, I feel like the old Vegas was sort of similar to the new Vegas in relation to the times, you know, like it was like a same, it was the same, like, in relation to the rest of America as it is now, you know?

Absolutely, which is means worse.

It was just like a little shittier.

Well, I went to R slash Frank Sinatra and they go, this guy goes, Dean, Sammy, and Frank, just in terms of their pure quote coolness factor, what do you think of, or how would you rate each of them individually?

So this is cool.

This is an R slash Frank.

Okay, I think Frank is going to come out pretty good.

And Frank

win this one.

But yeah, they do love to do this on Reddit in general: is just sort of rank people and give them ratings and stuff.

There's only so much you can talk about with these five men, you know.

Right.

This OP goes, I don't necessarily necessarily like the idea of, quote, rating.

And he's the one that posted this, by the way.

Yeah.

So he's now saying I don't like it.

Something just has to be done.

But I've always felt very strongly, just in terms of the coolest Rat Packer, it's always been Dean by a mile for me.

Everything about the guy seems so damn smooth, relaxed, carefree, chill, and effortless.

He really did seem like just a naturally very easygoing, steady, level-headed, cool guy.

And he was his own man for sure.

Frank had power over anyone in the rat pack and his entire sphere, except for Dino.

But these guys,

the way they're talking.

Tossing in the nickname for him, very familiar.

No, that's allowed.

That's allowed.

Yeah, yeah.

And knowing their interpersonal relationship.

I think it's

the guessing about their interpersonal relationship.

That's the whole thing, Brian.

You got to get on the wavelength.

This is not about

music.

This is not about

Vegas, like any of this stuff.

It's about

five men dressing up and going to a restaurant together.

Like

that is, it's a culture that no longer exists.

Everyone, like, you know, like.

They feel like they lost it.

I think most homophobia comes from this place of like feeling like it ruined the experience of men dressing up and going to a restaurant because like even like the question of gayness being a part of it

like just wiped it off the mat for a lot of people.

I mean

hit it.

Go ahead, Hayes.

I'm sorry.

We had the like for me at least I don't know if this changed like for the younger generation but like every in high school we had the little

the little rat pack.

You had your little pack that you were a part of.

It was me, Matt, Peter.

We had a Brian,

Jake, and then Sam later was added.

Sam came in later?

Sam, Sam was like, did he fill in for somebody, or was somebody not

being as cool as they needed to be?

And you needed to.

I don't know what opened up a seat.

And I honestly, like, I wasn't the guy who brought him in.

I'm happy to have him now.

I didn't like him either.

But no, it wasn't, it was all good with me, but it wasn't my,

he wasn't my project, you know?

Did you guys have your little crew, like the little wrecking crew?

I did.

That's funny that you say that.

I've mentioned on a past episode, there was a group called the Wrecking Crew in my neighborhood that beat up people.

And Brian was a part of a group like that, a violence gang that beat people up.

Innocent people, though, I want to be clear.

Not other people who are involved in gang activities.

But, but I did have, I had my group of friends.

I had like my, you know, my guys.

We, we played, you know, we were kind of, I guess, like, we played sports and stuff.

And so we were maybe like kind of jock kind of guys a little bit as the closest, but we were pretty like chill too.

You know, we played a lot of card games.

Big two, we played a lot of.

Big two, okay.

Yeah, we chewed tobacco was a big thing for our group.

We chewed tobacco for some reason.

And, but yeah, we weren't.

Brian, you want to get into your terrifying group of friends?

I had a group, a rat pack.

It was me, Theo, Porno Sean, Nate,

and I think that's, I mean, that was the, and Steve,

who bleached the name Steve on his shirt and wore it every day to school.

That's very cool.

Who is the guy who called you Cueber?

That's Theo.

That's Theo.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

And he was a little more respectable, I think, than me.

I did tell the story

you know, he drove me to my girlfriend's parents' house and he kind of hung around a little bit.

And then my girlfriend's dad offered him a job.

Yeah, but he did not offer me a job.

Not Cueber at all.

But yeah,

Cueber.

We don't want Queber working.

No, of course.

Even within this gang.

And the tough guy was Porno Sean.

Porno Sean was the king.

He's pretty famous on the podcast, to be honest with you.

I was going to say, I don't want to be the one that's making you talk about Porno's Sean again.

I'm sure it's very famous.

I wonder what he would feel like

that guy.

If he heard us talking about him, because he's a real human being who currently exists and lives in the world.

And he's maybe not known as porno Sean anymore.

No, I don't think so.

No.

He was never known as Porno Sean.

We call him that now.

Yeah, we call Porno.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

He's a guy that just loved porno.

And you know what?

I bet he still loves porno.

My guess is that he's swinging now.

Well, don't say that about him.

That's not anything.

That's a guess.

That's a crazy thing to say about your old friend, especially with

him.

He used to have orgies at his house.

You went to them.

Wow.

You went to them.

You went to them regularly.

I know.

I went to a party that turned into an orgy after I left.

Anyway, this guy goes, Sammy is the man.

So awesomely cool in so many ways.

Hell, he was cool even as little Sammy when he performed as a kid.

Most people forget.

I felt like he had more in common with people as quiet.

I still forget that.

Most people forget he was a child actor.

I did not know that he was little Sammy.

I knew that.

I thought that was a different guy.

I felt like he had more in common coolness-wise with Dean than with Frank.

I love the way he carried himself.

I think he had the best sense of humor out of the three.

A very cool quality.

And of course, he was the hippest guy in the rat pack.

I don't know why, but with Frank, the word cool just doesn't really fit the bill so much.

I mean, he was cool, but he was also a manic depressive.

Let's not forget he is bipolar, and you can't be fucking cool if you're bipolar.

You know, you're, yeah, that's scary.

I can't think of something more uncool than being bipolar.

That's mean to say.

I think that's not what affected his coolness.

I just think, I think he was super cool, but the other guys are cooler.

Like, I do agree, if I could say, I don't know much about the rat pack, but Dean Martin is the one that I like the most.

For me, he was like a fun, funny, fun-loving drunk.

Like, you know, like he just.

He used to be a comedy character that we don't get as much anymore, just a guy who's pretending to be toasted at all times.

Yeah, Jim Brewer does that now, he he is kind of holding that.

I get,

I'm not considering Jim Brewer as like part of our

like, you know, the like the cultural canon right now.

No, you don't know.

But when I say we don't really have that anymore,

I do know Goat Boy, I do know his work in the same way that I know Dean Martin's, but I'd say both of them are like relative, their comedy is about as prominent

as each other

the thing about brewer is that like his you know he's kind of his eyes have been open to you know different political movements and stuff like that i mean his eyes when you describe his eyes you just say they've been sagged yes and truthfully it's like you say his eyes open or closed they just move farther down his head yeah they don't because they don't you said his eyes have been open i've seen his last special his eyes aren't open in it he's literally has his eyes closed in it so fair and this guy this person responds and goes, I agree, except with Sammy.

I think he had this need to always try to prove how cool he was, which is fairly understandable.

And Dean never seemed to try, just had that innate sprezza turret.

So this group was constructed, I'm realizing now,

by you talk about Lil Sammy.

This group was constructed around the fact that Frank Sinatra was 5'7.

Dino.

Yeah.

Dino towers over Frank.

He's allowed to do that up to a point, obviously.

This man is like 5'9.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's not.

Frank doesn't need to be the tallest guy in the group, but he's not gonna get like a 6'2 guy in there.

Also, they didn't have those back then, probably.

Probably not.

But then, you know, like Lil Sammy rolls in

like five foot even, whatever he was.

Like, it's like Frank gets to be Lawford and Bishop are like right, you know, sort of clones of him, like roughly his height like you know he gets to be like the protagonist height normal within this within this group he appears to be normal heighted yeah yes dean's a little too gangly like you know like i'm pretty frank frank's the baseline i'm pretty excited to have two performers on here

uh because this is i don't know how important this is because i don't know anything about this comedy business and so i don't know what you mean to perform yeah i don't know what you mean either you guys are performers.

You're comedians.

You know how this stuff works.

Show business.

I do the exact same thing you do.

I just want to clarify that.

You're both show business guys.

Hayes is very funny, but I don't think you have done, you would be more of a writer than a performer, you would have to say, in terms of like TV stuff.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

He's making me seem like an improv

guy or something.

He's not done improv.

That's Sean.

Sean's done improv, and he's not done stand-up either.

He's actually clearly very offended by the notion that he is a stand-up comedian or a-

guy show business guys.

Yes, true.

Just to show you.

Yeah, we're LA guys.

We're both LA kind of guys.

Me too.

I'm wearing the hat today.

That's right.

Dean was best at giving and taking jokes and was the best at reading the room and could adapt to any situation.

Sometimes he completely dropped.

I mean, he could adapt in a very specific way, yes.

That's a kind of adapting.

He'd completely dropped the drunk act and just use pure wit to get through a crowd's air.

Frank and Sally, Sammy, it says Sally, sorry.

Frank and Sammy were, but Sammy would be pissed if he heard that.

His wife's name is Sally.

It's just like trying to be like, hey, can you stop posting this?

Sally David.

That's what autocorrect has always got to try to do.

Because Frank and Sammy were both cool, but there's a level between Dean and everyone else.

And our OP says that's a great way of putting it.

Yeah, no, listen, I don't disagree with them on that, but I don't know enough.

I could be wrong, but just in my limited knowledge, Dean seemed like the coolest guy and the one that I would want to like hang out with at a bar or something, probably.

No question.

Yeah.

Not again, like his singing, whatever.

And like, I feel like I've heard

Dean more, and maybe all of us have heard like more Dean Martin.

I feel like his Christmas song is like out there more than anything of like my way, I guess.

Yeah, I know.

I think Dean Martin is just as, like his songs are just as famous now as frank sinatra frank sinatra the name is probably the biggest name still out of the rap pack brian who would you like to hang out with by the way you said not me

um somebody cool like frank like which one would you pick which one would you pick

straight to frank you'd go to peter lawford you'd go with

me and lawford i wonder what what lawford why do i know his name like what did he do what did he what did he he was friends with john f kennedy yeah he was in the rap pack.

Okay, I'm going to look at it.

Me and Lawford could gang up and beat up Frank just for fun.

So this guy asks a question, and I think this is a good question for everybody.

He goes, my family keeps criticizing me for listening to Frank.

They claim his music is, quote, old and boring and that I should like music that's more relevant.

It really frustrates me because I think Frank's music is amazing.

His interpretation of lyrics and phrasing is astounding.

However, my family claims

his songs all sound the same.

I just don't understand.

They all like indie music.

Oasis Blur, Arctic Monkeys, rappers, XXX, Tintash Yan, and Taylor Swift.

I guess I just have to live with them criticizing my music taste, but it sucks.

This didn't happen, and that's unfortunate.

They don't take an interest in it at all.

If there is a family, that's a big if.

There is some question to that in the thread.

Oh, people do

people are actually checking like show me

show me this family put your mom on here now and have her tell me she likes x x x

young

i think he he has tried maybe to make overtures and they're like no thanks and he says why

and they say it's just like kind of oh it's a little boring to me and he says well what do you like instead and they say these things but he's the one they're not coming to him and criticizing him for this He's forcing the issue.

They're not, unless he's playing the music a lot really loudly and like bothering them with it, they're not going out of their way to, nobody's going out of their way to criticize somebody else's music that they listen to in headphones or whatever, you know?

Well, that's why this valuable mistake, 8521, does respond and say, who gives a shit?

You shouldn't.

All my friends listen to a mix of rock and rap with a little pop every now and again.

My dad listens to folk and classical music.

My mom listens to romantic pop, and my sister listens to Taylor Swift, among other artists.

I listen to Frank Sinatra.

I have a playlist on Apple Music that's 11 hours and 43 minutes of solid Sinatra music.

That's enormous.

Yeah, that's good.

Just

half of a day.

Wait a second.

How many songs did he do?

Or he just, oh, he just sang like everybody's songs.

He did a lot of songs and everyone else's.

He had his own and would sing everyone else's.

Like this was like, Adele was only one of the last like 20 years, I feel like, after Whitney Houston, where it would just be like, yeah, whatever.

Just

give her another song.

Have her sing that.

Yeah,

that was

what it was.

Like, he was just, he was a singer through and through.

It's like they're just throwing songs in front of him.

He's sitting in a booth and he's fucking singing all day long, basically.

Yeah.

And he was the first one.

I know, like, music up to that point was not like for teens.

Like, yeah, like, he was like the Bobby Soxers that they called him around that time.

That was Frank when that market appeared for the first time.

It's interesting you say that because I saw some footage of people moshing to Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company 3.

The teenagers were going nuts for Yankee Doodle back in the day.

Company B.

Everything else starts with the B.

Yeah.

Well, Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy from Company 3 is a real famous jam from back then.

And then there was Yankee Doodle, and there was America the Beautiful, and that was all the music until Frank Sinatra.

Wait, when's Frank Sinatra from?

When did he come out?

Like, when did he come out?

Is he before?

When was he?

I'm just realizing I have no concept of when his music came out.

I don't either.

I think the 20s.

No, it wasn't.

No, no, no, no, no.

He wasn't live in our lifetime.

He wasn't 200 it was not 100 years ago

it says 1935 on the ai overview from google well yeah we know that's a good source so so it was like the 1940s or something maybe yeah it was it was the 40s that he like really really hit he was born in 1915 and he was in like his mid-20s when he so it was like early 40s like 41 42 is during the war okay yeah it said he began in the 30s and continued into the 90s with a number of notable events occurring along the way.

He was part of an orchestra.

He was part of Tommy Dorsey's orchestra.

And it was one of those things where he had to get out of contract with these famously tyrannical, horrible men.

He'd be like, okay, sure, you're out, but

I will

fuck you up.

I'm going to destroy you.

Well, that's actually, I'm sure they probably ended up fucking six feet under later on, anyone who crosses the show because we all know what happened.

Yeah, well, Tommy Dorsey's not around anymore.

He's dead from Frank's hand.

Frank obviously became one of the most powerful mafiosos in America.

That's true.

I love that angle of it.

The people who are really like, you know, I think he could fucking handle himself in that situation, you know?

Like,

it's fun.

I did Google, and by the way, the reason, the way I got that answer was Googling when did Frank Sinatra come out?

So 1935 is what it looks like.

That's his first song.

That's his debut album.

Yeah.

This person goes,

so they don't care what I listen to, and I don't care what they listen to.

Besides, listening to older music such as Sinatra is unique.

It's easy to find lovers of pop, rock, or even classical music, but as new generations come to fruition, older, but classic music and genres become rarer and rarer.

So, yeah.

These are two different taxonomies a little bit.

So we're talking about rap hat guys, right?

Yeah.

And like some of the frank guys, like the music guys, the crooners are rat pack guys, of course.

They like that stuff.

But I think there's also like guys that are mostly about the pack aspect of it.

This was like a 90s thing, like the 90s rat pack revival type stuff with swingers.

Like

that was about guys putting on a very shiny shirt and just like going out trying to zap chicks.

like holy shit they didn't care about the music they like they had like uh there was like a drink you know they'd you know try to drink dramboue or whatever the fuck and like smoke a certain way that like making drinking and smoking cool while you were out with your five

Like your little crew of five.

Totally disconnected from any of the music.

They don't care about any of the music.

They haven't started it.

Swing revival is kind of happening at the same time.

Do they make the same mistake as Brian?

They're like, yeah, fucking swings like 20 years earlier.

Yeah.

I hated it at the time, and I was in high school or middle school.

I didn't like it.

Hayes, I do want to bring up that you said they would go out and zap chicks.

And I've only heard one other person say that in my entire life.

Who?

The Grease Man.

Waddle Doodle.

Oh, really?

Yeah, the Grease Man.

That's a Grease because you're using sort of the terminology of the time, time, and I believe that's what he was doing as well.

So it does sort of make sense.

Also, I noticed that you've got a thing called the hat pack on there.

I didn't know if that's why you brought me on.

Like, we've got...

This is our proprietary merch.

This is the new incarnation.

Speaking of which, I just realized this is freaking embarrassing.

I'm wearing Hollywood Handbook merch.

I did not even realize.

That wasn't intentional.

Good lord.

I did not realize that at all.

That's so embarrassing.

No, this is just a piece of my clothing and my fashion that I wear, and it happened to be on today's thing, and it's like I'm only now realizing it at a time.

Just say that you like the show.

No, no,

no, I've never heard the show.

This is something that's disallowed.

We don't have that many people.

It'd be nice to have some of them be like, yes,

I like this.

I thought it was a hell.

I was like, I hope that's a Helly Hansen shirt.

That's what I tell people.

I'll be honest.

I tell people it's a Helly Hansen.

I'm sorry.

Listen, I love the show, Hayes.

I love it.

You know, a day one fan came down to Seattle to watch it live, but I just, I can't tell anybody.

I can't tell anybody.

So you can't say it's podcast merch.

No, I just can't tell anybody that I listen to the show or tell anybody about it.

It's my deepest, darkest secret that I have, and I'll never share it with anybody.

But I will continue to listen and support.

So, do you know about these hats?

Like, so

the story of the hats is

the dawn of the fourth turning.

Each turning produces a new pack, the rat pack, the brat pack, the frat pack.

It's about

every 20 years or so of separation, we have an opportunity now.

Like, you know, the pack didn't emerge.

Yeah.

It was like the Mayan calendar.

There's like, you know, like

a void was created.

It didn't happen organically.

No.

And so we say, hey, what if we democratize this thing, open it up to the actual people instead of saying like, okay, it's these like handful of guys, which got bigger every time.

Yeah.

Let's get it smaller.

Let's get it smaller again, or do you guys want to get it even bigger?

No, it's bigger.

It's anyone who

buys or gets the hat.

Oh, this is a hat.

I'm doing it in a hat pack.

I'm in.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I mean, I'm in.

Okay, you're not yet.

You will be losing.

Yeah, it costs $29.

American and Canadian dollars not doing well right now, so let's keep in mind it costs a lot more than all the same.

It costs a lot more.

It's like $7 million to him.

This guy goes,

where is he at?

Without Sinatra and Elvis, there would not be bands like the Beatles.

And without the Beatles, there probably wouldn't even be bands like Blur or Oasis, et cetera.

So there's nothing to create.

Nothing before Sinatra or Elvis.

We don't have to worry about anything.

They were just formed out of...

Those Caucasian men invented music.

I'm not sure if you've done your history, but those two Caucasian men invented music and everything kind of comes up.

We don't need to doubt.

No, they just appeared like mr bean at the beginning of the shows yeah i believe it i like this guy that says a lion doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep oh

yep a lion doesn't lose sleep tell that to your family is that tell that to your goddamn family is that how the sound

i think so i thought it was something else i didn't think it was sleep but maybe i don't know

Doug says, you'll simply have to learn to shrug it off.

On the other hand, how do they know you listen to Sinatra?

If you're playing recordings when they can hear them, maybe you should cut down on doing so.

That's the best piece of advice.

These guys also don't like public music.

They don't like those guys on the subway that are like, you know, their beats pill out.

That gets them really pissed off.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

They like

the private music experience.

And it's like they're sitting there listening to some nice crooning and they can kind of hear like a beat going in the background that's totally messing up the fucking, you know, the meter of Frank's beautiful voice.

I mean, I understand.

That's frustrating.

I was just walking through the convention center today.

Why?

No bathroom.

Because it's cold here, and I wanted to be warm.

I said to check.

There's a lot of beds set up there.

No, he goes there to go to the bathroom, A's.

He goes there to go to the bathroom, and he destroys the bathroom.

And this is like a high-end place where people pay a lot of money to put their events on, and they'll often get ruined by him.

They don't get ruined.

Nobody knows who cracked.

Well, yeah, they don't know that it's you that ruined it, but you do ruin it.

It is ruined.

It's ruined.

They just don't know that you're the culprit.

A guy was listening to a podcast out loud on his phone as he was walking by, and I was like, you really shouldn't do that.

You'd rather have him listening to music.

Yeah,

that is odd.

That's odd.

It's the same as having like a speakerphone conversation or whatever with someone.

It does seem a little bit rude, but I also understand, gosh, sometimes I'll be a need to listen to a podcast and my headphones aren't working.

And sometimes I will throw it on, unless it's Hollywood handbook, because I don't want anybody to know

that.

But the other ones, I will put it on sometimes.

I'll just put it quiet up next to my ear sometime.

I've actually done that.

I've done that before.

Yeah, where you make, you're like you're on the phone and you turn it up to my phone.

You kind of pretend you're having a phone conversation, but your phone's upside down.

Yes.

And so you don't.

Everybody's making fun of you.

Well, no, I think they think you're on the phone.

Yeah.

Nope.

They're like, that phone's upside down.

No, now you can't really tell with an iphone necessarily you have to look really closely to tell i can uh this guy goes uh yeah you're not alone this happens to me at times when i tell people i like crooners or more specifically frank i live in england that's probably why it's a passive aggressive place so england not into frank yeah i don't know that he has a lot of i wonder how the crooning is if it was popular there ever i feel like it wasn't but maybe i'm wrong this guy goes i totally agree and no one knows i listen to frank because people would make fun of me for it.

Smart, he just keeps it to himself, and that's fair.

That's the way to do it.

I would, too.

I mean, I don't keep anything to myself, so everybody makes fun of me for everything.

I will say, I do not like the rat pack, I don't like crooners, I don't like any of that stuff.

Yeah, you like much, much worse music, cooler stuff, more modern, cool stuff.

This guy who said, Hey, Brian, if you could have your dream guest, like anybody, who would it be on the show?

And he said, Violent J from the ICP.

But see, this is the thing you're you want the same thing

you want men to get they're just dressing up in a different way and you want these men to be able to like get together and do a little show for the people yeah

the rap act wasn't even about like i think they've never like you never saw

like there's no recording that i know of of like frank and dino and sammy singing together it just wasn't the thing it was like it was a it was that they were just bullish.

It was dinner theater.

It was like this dinner theater where it's all smoky and everyone's smoking.

And yeah, it's just it is the classic male, the whiskey, the like, all of that stuff.

It all like sort of falls in line.

I bet there would be a huge crossover with a lot of those sort of classic male type guys that we've covered.

The whiskey guys.

I bet there's a lot of whiskey guys.

Oh, no.

Nope.

Nope.

Nope.

Because Sinatra drinks Jack Daniels.

Jack Daniels.

He made Jack Daniels into the giant drinks.

But that's the problem with whiskey guys, Hayes.

The whiskey guys spit on Jack Daniels.

And people like Brian and I, you know, obviously we would only drink Pappy Van.

We would only drink PVW.

23 years.

PVW 20 years.

The 10-year stuff is piss.

I will brush my teeth with the 10-year, but that's it, basically.

Yeah.

Sammy drank, and there is definitely this type of guy.

He drank Japanese whiskey.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know that kind of guy.

I don't know how about that.

Yeah.

But he, but,

and this is where all these guys get off board.

He drinking at high balls.

And so he would fucking know.

I don't know.

You know what a high ball is?

I don't drink.

I don't drink A's.

Like the last time I drank, I was into sex on the beach.

It's a cocktail, but it's like your grandpa's kind of like tall glass.

It's the thing that you see like clinking around at

when Don Draper would go to California.

Yeah.

Oh, Don.

That type of drink.

This guy goes, could be a lot worse.

You could be listening to rap.

That would really not be good.

Yeah.

Okay, so now we're really kind of getting down to it, aren't we?

Like, Sinatra fan, but if you're listening to Sinatra Fan 1915, I never understood that because you would be liking it, you'd be listening to it because you liked it, yeah, Sinatra fan 1915.

No, no, no, that's not allowed.

This is in the canon of

white male toughness

of like

Boston noir movies,

Westerns before that,

of like white guys being like, okay, let me reach back in history for a time where like we were the toughest guys.

And everyone's kind of scared of us.

Or let's find the geography.

Okay, there's this one part of Boston that's like a bunch of like poor white gang members.

Like, we gotta pound this.

We have to like get every squeeze every last drop out of this community of like 50,000 people.

And the rat pack, you know, obviously not all of them were white, but like the Frank, Frank being like someone who

the mythology was that he could just like have you killed

is part of that.

Like for these guys, you like you're a race trader, basically, if you go listen to rap music, rap.

Rap, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, this guy, this guy does, Sinatra fan 1915 does say, criticize their taste back.

You're the one that likes actual music, remember?

So get into it.

That's not rap music, bit of oxymoron, innovation get into a really heated debate about this thing that they don't want to talk about that should that should win everybody over at the family dinners yeah i hate i i was when i was in vegas i've only been there once

and the whole time i wanted to be away from anything rat pack related and i hated seeing the guys walking down the street kind of dressed like it with the fedoras on and stuff it just drove it i don't know why it just i never was i went to a i went to an actual, like, I went to the Desert Inn or Desert.

Yeah, I think that was what it was called.

That was a real old rat pack one.

I went to Vegas once when I was a kid, too.

And that was, I played, I went there to see Dana Carvey live.

And it was incredible.

He was chopping broccoli.

He's fucking singing chopping broccoli.

I went crazy.

Oh, I love chopping broccoli.

I was like 10, I was like 11 years old or something.

It was like, it was the greatest show I had ever seen in my life.

It was insane.

But yeah, I remember it being at the Desert Inn or whatever.

They had like everything was all throwbacks to rat pack shit all this stuff up on the wall and they just like they were so proud of that you know

and a bunch of weird guys show up in like shorts and like a shirt that has a funny saying on the front of it and sit down and we're like this is what it must have felt like yeah yeah exactly yeah just a drunkest fucking red faced guy from texas wearing some vulgar t-shirt sits down with his ass sweating through his shorts onto the seat and he's just like this is what it must have felt like to be dino

Well, speaking of Dean, there is a DVD on Amazon for sale called the Dean Martin Celebrity Roasts.

I mean, these are famous.

The Friars Collection.

Yeah, this is the thing that I know him.

Like, these are the things that I saw most of it.

I actually went back and watched these before.

Speaking of the drunk characters, they had that famous,

now I can't remember the guy's name.

People know it and they're frustrated right now.

But there was a famous...

Dean Martin.

No, it wasn't Dean Martin.

It was

was this other guy.

But he was like over the top with it.

Like he was doing a bad fake drunk impression, you know?

But those were actually, they were pretty funny.

You know what I mean?

Like, I yeah, they were pretty good.

They were, you know, and I think what really made them good or what was that they did have that feeling of like, we're all a bunch of old boys, old buddies, and stuff like that.

And that sort of is what drove it and made it interesting to watch.

But I mean, I'll be honest, I did not understand any of the jokes.

Like, they're all like, you know, like making some reference.

I have no concept about at all.

Maybe you'll like this then.

B.

Kelly gave it five stars.

We usually read bad reviews.

Yeah.

We're going to read some good ones today.

Thought Don Rickles, Lawanda Page, Nipsey Russell, and Lucy were the funniest ones on these DVDs.

Now he goes into it.

You're going to get every part of a Rat Pat guy in this one review.

Everything.

These DVDs are hilarious.

My favorite roaster is Grumpy Old Don Rickles.

I hate Don Rickles too.

And Lawanda Page, who played Grumpy Ol' Aunt Esther on Sanford and Son.

They're both hilarious, and so is Nipsey Russell.

Freaky old Phyllis Diller makes a few appearances.

Sometimes she's funny and sometimes not.

Seeing the old movie and TV and comedy stars that were popular in the 70s when I was in elementary school brings back memories of old rerun TV shows my parents used to watch when I was a bit of wee lad.

They should have had Carol Burnett as a roaster.

She would do all kinds of crazy things on her show to get people to laugh and would laugh herself on live TV.

Lucille Ball is on a few of the roasts and it's funny also.

You get to see a side of the comedians that you never saw before.

Like most of them are smoking and drinking.

Yeah.

What do you mean?

Well, this slide is great.

Like most of them are smoking and drinking and sometimes cussing on the stage at the roast.

That's probably why they're all dead now.

Smoking and drinking.

Well, I think some

year they were born as well.

Well, you know, Frank's secret.

So

Frank smoked Paul Maul unfiltered.

Oh, those are.

So you're like, okay,

he lived to 82 years old.

That doesn't track.

That doesn't make any sense.

He didn't inhale.

He smoked like I did in high school.

Yes, he would just like suck it in, like blow it back out immediately.

And he would just take like one or two puffs.

Like he never has, it's never like down to the filter, I guess.

But like.

Ah, that's so dorky.

He'd take like one or two puffs and then put it out.

So he'd always have

a lit cigarette in his hands, but he'd go through like 50 of them.

That's basically

blow right back out.

Such a smart way to get it.

That's cool.

Yes.

I don't know.

People who smoke can tell you're not inhaling, though.

Like me.

I'd be watching you like.

Back then they didn't know.

Back then they didn't know.

They didn't have all the information about it.

They weren't sure.

About inhaling?

Yeah, it just wasn't as clear back then.

It was the science wasn't settled on it.

When I was 11 is when I started smoking cigarettes.

And we went to my friend Aaron's house.

And he, well, because he was like a cool dude.

He had Reebok pumps.

Very cool.

And like on the second day of school, he walked up to me and was like, do you smoke?

And I was like, yeah.

I didn't smoke.

I actually had never smoked.

But I knew I had to get on an Aaron train

and my life would be easy from then on.

You know what I mean?

So I said, yes, I do smoke.

And he's like, why don't you come?

Let's go to my house after school and smoke some cigarettes.

So I did that every day for like a month and I didn't inhale.

And then this goddamn guy, Mike, is like, you're not inhaling.

So then I was like, started breathing in the smoke and then swallowing.

Like I was swallowing the smoke.

You didn't know how to inhale.

You don't

know how to smoke.

If you didn't know how to do it.

I had no idea how to smoke.

And then one day Mike was like, you're not inhaling.

And I was like, yes, I am.

Look.

And I hit it and I swallowed it.

You're eating it.

And then I hit.

Yeah, I'm eating it.

I'm eating a cigarette.

Okay.

Finally, he just, I breathe, I put the thing up.

I breathed it in and he fucking punched me in the stomach.

And I was like,

like that.

And then he was like, that's how you inhale.

And I was like, thank you for doing that.

What a good friend.

Mike was.

It sounds like a really good friend.

Mike's a teacher.

He could have been a teacher.

Instead, he's, you know, he's not doing very good.

Oh, I thought you said he is a teacher now.

You meant like he wasn't.

He should be, but no,

I don't think he is.

He's a little bit of a mess, if you ask me.

Oh, really?

You don't want to really, it's like not a funny mess.

Well, he was my drug dealer for a period of time.

What kind of drugs?

Pills?

Pills, yeah.

And that's a real drug dealer.

That's not some weed guy.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, he's like dealing with the pharmaceutical industry and stuff.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Him and the sacklers were working together on getting me pills.

Those guys who do that, though, like back in the day, because we had obviously OxyContin when I was growing up was this huge, huge issue, you know?

The good old days.

Percocet at OxyContin was like, everyone, it just always struck me that it was like, yeah, there was these people who were just getting all these prescriptions.

Like, that was the way to get a hold of it.

They were physically going and like getting prescriptions and stuff.

No, but when you say that, wait, but when you say that, like, those are the real drug dealers, like, they would just go to the doctor.

Like it's not like the doctor is not going to shoot you.

No way.

They're actually the least hardcore drug dealers.

Actually, we are.

These are not the real drug dealers.

These are the ones that got shitty weeds.

Like, you know,

many of the people they were dealing with were armed.

Yeah, yeah.

If somebody says I'd like some drugs,

and then you go to hand them some weed or some mushrooms or some LSD, they're like, I understand that the drugs are more potent.

But But I don't want real drugs.

You can just throw LSD in there.

LSD is a real heavy-duty drug.

Not a real drug.

Real drugs are pills.

Nobody is coming.

Nobody is walking up to a drug dealer and saying, and I get some drugs.

They all know the kind they want when they ask for it, Brian.

Right.

But if you told me, hey, Brian, which you don't have one anyway, so it didn't matter.

Hey, Brian, meet my drug dealer.

I'm like,

are we talking real drugs or are we talking marijuana, LSD?

Yeah, I wouldn't.

Well, marijuana is legal here, so I wouldn't have a marijuana dealer.

I only smoke illegal marijuana.

That's very cool.

I will say, like, like, when you talk about, like, where were these the real drug dealers or whatever, a lot of the pill dealers were, like, white grandmas.

Yeah.

Like, that's what I was going to say.

So, Mike knew several other people who were going to pain management clinics and giving him half of their pills.

Yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I'm saying.

That the idea of that, that just like when you would buy those pills, somebody was like going through all of of that, like dealing with the pharmaceutical people, going to the doctor and like getting a prescription filled and stuff.

It was just wild to me.

They weren't like meeting the cartel.

Yeah, they weren't meeting a cartel like that.

That's what I expect, you know.

He was working at a gas station, and I could just go to the gas station and be like, I need 15 Vicodin, and he would sell them to me.

It was great.

He's the guy I told you was selling cable equipment, too, which worked out really well for me.

Just get filled in one by one about these guys.

You keep it relatively vague, but

the picture becomes very complete very fast.

Sometimes he does it in completely different.

We have two different jobs.

Sometimes he says their full name and everything like that as well.

Sure.

So, yeah.

Well, Porno isn't Porno Sean's real name.

But you've showed it to me.

You sent me his link then.

Oh, I did show you a picture.

I wanted you to see him.

He looks a lot like Porno Sean.

This guy goes, a great laugh.

Blast from the past.

The Dean Martin Rose, what a memory.

They started in 1974.

Watergate era.

Wow, that's late.

This guy hung on.

Yeah, that's not insane.

They were so old and they were still kind of like

just like playing like middle-aged, like 40-year-old guy.

They always seemed 30 or 40 to me, you know, like everything, every time you saw them.

And that's, that's how.

I remember when Frank Sinatra died,

I was on some trip with my parents, and like he was still a guy who was like kind of performing.

Yeah, yeah.

Right?

Yeah, yeah.

Last show was in, uh, his last show was in Tokyo, Japan.

What year?

I learned.

Do you have the year for it?

I think it was 94.

Yeah, so I, I, because I remember it happening.

So when he was almost 80.

I was a, like, I remember it happening.

I was old enough to, like, realize it was happening.

I do not remember it happening.

I was old enough, but I did not care.

Yeah.

I was busy doing politics stuff, you know, volunteering and, you know, pushing the country to the left is what I was doing.

I'm glad you were watching Frank Sinatra stuff.

Hey, this is a left show, Rogan.

This is what I've been saying.

That's what I'm saying.

It's go for broke because there is no woke in these comedy sketches.

Politics, race, insults, jabs, it's all fair game.

And guess what?

It's all funny and in good taste and all laugh at each other and at themselves.

It's go for broke because there is no woke.

That wasn't something that actually could have gotten out there.

I feel like some of the ones that have, go woke, go broke, things things like that.

Like, I mean, it's very similar.

I feel like.

It does make you sound more bad.

Let's go for broke because there is no woke kind of makes you seem more badass than go broke.

Go woke, go broke, because you're saying, like, I'm going hard and fast with this anti-woke stuff.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's like you're pushing it through.

He goes, you won't see any of this on TV today, and it would be too inflammatory.

And that's a shame.

It's not really a shame I would have.

I found this out for you.

Because you can find find this stuff so easily.

Like, and much worse, and much more, like, you can just go and find it.

It's very easy.

I'm sorry that it's not on cable television that nobody has, anyways.

Like,

what do you think?

And the Comedy Central roosts were like,

I mean,

very racist.

Yeah.

I'm sure the same way.

Lisa Lampinelli's entire thing was that she had sex with black men sometimes.

Yeah.

She is better now.

She's different.

She's changed now.

She has sex with all kinds of men of different races.

But

it does.

It is really like fucking.

I mean,

they got killers like Hinchcliffe writing stuff on there.

And it's like,

I mean, he's holding back.

Yeah, he's holding back.

Yeah.

Not.

You know what I mean?

No, but that's a good point, though, is that is on network television, and it probably is just as racist.

Oh, yeah.

It's just an excuse people make for like, no, they just don't like it.

They just don't want want to watch it.

It's not because it's

anything about the content.

They're not oversensitive.

They just do not like it.

This guy goes, and this reminds me of a thing we talked about recently.

This guy went to the

Renaissance Festival, and the guy that you throw tomatoes at to insult you insulted him.

Okay.

And he said it ruined his whole day because he was too mean.

He took it too far.

That's good.

And this guy goes,

the everything and everything, everyone and everything, cunning jokes delivered by clever wordsmiths.

I do enjoy this old school pushing the limits of what they could legally get away with.

Legally.

Legally get away with.

I guess back then it was closer to true.

Not because of being racist, but like whatever Lenny Bruce was doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just like saying, talking about nipples or whatever.

Saying pussy,

pussy or whatever.

Yeah.

Yes, yeah.

Hayes, when I first started like thinking I wanted to do comedy, I started started trying to be one of those guys that's like, oh man, you know, I'm checking into Lenny Bruce and seeing it.

And I listened to it and I was like, and Bill Hicks, I was like, this is the worst shit I've ever heard in my entire life.

So god-awful.

Bill Hicks.

I read a whole book about him when I was the same thing, like getting into comedy stuff.

And it was like, this is the guy.

And like, wouldn't even admit it to myself that I was like, this is terrible.

Yeah.

The fact that at the end of like his, I mean, you know, the end of his shows,

you would hear a gunshot and he would fall on the stage because I guess he had to be taken out.

The idea was that like the shit he said was too raw and he had to be like killed by the government or something.

It was so bad.

This shit.

He spent like a long period of the show just talking shit about Madonna.

And then at the end, he acted like he was getting shot for his inflammatory.

Like, I don't think there's anybody who thinks he's funny.

I don't think it's one of those weird things where something got convinced of it before.

Now, nobody wants to admit it like you, Hayes.

But he's in the pantheon still for whatever reason.

It's not like something that people go back and watch and are like, this is good.

I believe it, to some extent, doesn't hold up in multiple ways.

People talk about how it's offensive,

like Eddie Murphy and Delirious and stuff.

But like, you know,

sensibilities change.

It's not weird to look back at something and be like, hey, I don't like this anymore.

I've seen so much of it that this is not like good to me.

One thing that does hold up,

I watched The Manchurian Candidate for the first time in like a long time, like three months ago.

It's just fucking good.

It's fun to watch even now.

And Frank is good at it.

I got to watch it.

I've never seen the original.

I've only seen the remake of it when I was was like, because it came out when I was

remake.

I watched the remake because it came out like when I was younger.

It actually came out.

And I didn't even realize until I was older that there is an original one.

But I love the story.

And I don't think I've ever really seen Frank do his acting.

So I maybe will watch it.

He's good as hell.

And Frank was a good actor.

That's cool.

That's that's cool.

I, yeah.

Brian, what?

You don't think he's a good actor?

I've never seen it.

I don't watch old movies.

I only watch movies one time.

Yeah.

And I don't watch any old ones.

Yeah.

Who's our guy?

Who else has crossed over like that from being any kind of crooner to a movie star?

Seth McFarland.

Ludicrous.

Oh, Seth.

Ted McFarlane, of course.

McFarlane,

Million Ways to Die in the West.

Ted?

Yes.

Ted 2?

Yeah.

Ted the TV series.

Ted the TV series.

I see people talking about now when people are debating

our best living singer, people talk about Tyrese like that.

And I don't like.

I haven't heard him in years.

Exactly.

He just stopped doing it.

But people were like,

you don't understand.

Like, this was the guy.

Tyrese was great, but

it doesn't feel like he was around for that long.

But then again, maybe that's just to my dumbass.

Maybe he was, you know what I mean?

Maybe he was around a long time and people love him.

Maybe he just kept doing it and like, yeah, sure.

He might still be doing it now.

He probably is.

Before we finish, there is a.

Actually, I want to read one more by somebody named Trace.

Could be the famous Trace, Chris, from Bubba the Love Sponge.

He goes, a side-splitting jaunt down memory lane.

Although I have not watched all episodes yet, I've thoroughly enjoyed the ones I have.

No politically correct BS here.

There are no F-bombs or cursing, which was nice.

Wait.

They're smoking, of course, drinking.

The N-word is used, and no one takes offense.

So wait, he...

So this this guy wants there to be the N-word, but not the F-word?

No, he did.

Listen, those are classless words.

And also, he has no idea.

I mean, he's watching it and assuming that no one took offense at the time because no one stood up and was like, hey.

Yeah, I think maybe they did.

Maybe they did, I guess.

Yeah.

I'm sure some people were a little uncomfortable, even then.

Even, yeah, maybe we're uncomfortable and offended by it and upset by it.

But I find that I love these guys who are just like it was so great because you could say whatever you want and they didn't say the F word but wait why like why like why don't you want them to be able to say the F word isn't that important too like it's no more important to say the N word really it really is a thing that they have though where they're just like I deal with it all the time because I'm dealing with these like Christian guys like Brad Stein we watch on on

my stream sometimes oh he's good and he won't he's like all about like you got to be able to say whatever you want this bull and he will not curse you know he's doing like a church thing he just will not say anything like blasphemous or like a swear word and it's like well you're not man you're not a free speech person then you're not interested in free speech at all man cow too he has free speech tattooed on his altar and yet he won't say but because he's so religious so he won't say blasphemous stuff so it's like that's not what free speech is i'm not a free speech guy but if if i was i would i am yeah i know you are this is also something back engineered from hating rap music and it'd be like you know you you need a reason for why you hate it.

That's not because you're racist.

And so that's why they always talk about the F this and F that or whatever.

It's like, you don't actually care about that.

Yeah.

I will say

there is one more thing I want to do.

It is called The Rat Pack is Back.

Okay.

And it is a tribute show in Las Vegas.

Oh, yes.

And some of the reviews conjure up an image that I don't think I was ready for.

Rayjon says, if you love the rat pack, skip this review.

Oh, no.

What year is this review?

Can you give me an idea when this is happening?

Do you have any idea?

Is this current date?

It's current May 2024.

It's in May.

The implication is also sort of like if you're not that into the rap pack, you could have like a pretty decent time.

It's actually really

fun for non-very accessible.

Very good for non-Rap Pack lovers.

If you have someone in your life who hates the rap pack, send them.

I'll go to this when I go to Vegas next time.

I'll get myself here.

This guy goes, singing was great.

Acting was great, especially, quote, Dean Martin.

They tried to recreate the banner for which these three were famous, but some of the jokes were really off-putting.

They made excuses by saying it was the 60s.

But if that's the case, so they went for it.

So they're just like,

step inside the showroom and, you know, like find yourself in a different time.

And then you're like, oh, this is fun.

And then somebody's like, you know, saying like, hey, that woman's not allowed to be here.

You're like, wait a sec.

God.

He goes, but

they made excuses by saying it was the 60s.

But if that's the case, then why reference current pop figures?

That's confusing.

That's just interesting.

That's like the insult guy, that same tomato insult guy, Hayes.

He was like, this was at a Ren fair, so a Renaissance fair.

And the guy insulting him was like,

you look like the shit that Amber Heard took on Johnny Depp's issues.

It's like, you can't say that in the Renaissance times.

You have to do that because in the same way you didn't understand any of their old references, like,

they can't be stuck in that time.

I went to see when Val Kilmer was doing those Mark Twain shows.

I went to see, he was doing them at Hollywood Forever.

And the whole idea was that he had like like stepped out of a time just like woken up in these modern times and he would comment on your the way like your ways are very exotic to me now

but like in the creative process you could just see like on day one you're just like okay well I obviously can't be talking about just like riverboat shit like I don't have enough of that I gotta like

I gotta win an audience over every single night yeah I'm gonna have to talk a bit about the news you know

I think in relation to the Renaissance Fair was really funny in relation to this too, because they are saying it's the 60s.

And at the Renaissance Fair,

they make up, they call credit cards magic, so they don't have to say credit card.

You know what I mean?

They call them like, oh, the

pay magic system.

So, like, they do that, but then also the guy can make references to Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.

I do like, but I'm sure they call it like, you know, they call people like Sir LeBron.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He does say, he does say the venue's tiny, the size of a living room.

Sad, really.

Oh, that is.

That's a guy that's never been to an open bike.

This is sad.

This is sad.

It is sad when it's so small because if it's going badly, because you're just in the room with the guys and then they're having a bad time and it's going really badly.

And that's different than when they're up on the stage and it's like a big theater or whatever when you're just in the room with guys who are doing so badly it is hard to deal with it's like that place greg dean used to work where it only held 15 yeah that's not good it's good it's like oh it looks full and everything like that and that part is good but if it starts going badly everyone it's like the same as if you're like hanging out at a party with somebody and they're like having a really bad time embarrassing themselves or whatever you know and you're just like sitting there with them it sucks well leslie says not even close to stars i really don't know where to start first of all my dad was a friend of dean mark okay that's a good place to start

well you don't know

he was just no god know

the frank no way looks nothing like him sammy way too tall

Jesus

tough yeah it is tough because to find a really tiny uh like black guy who is also a good singer has one eye has one eye and and then to find, like, yeah, you're not going to get it exactly perfect.

You just have to suspend your disbelief a little bit there, you know?

Yeah, you got to, you can't be strict about the height of the person.

Yeah, Sammy Davis Jr.

was just so small.

So, like, to get his height accurate, there's just not that many people who are that height, you know?

I do have an idea.

Have you ever heard of Dorf on Golf?

Yes, I have, and I do know.

And I think it is a pretty good idea.

Put shoes on Sammy Davis Jr.'s knees.

And he'd have to be very tall then, the guy playing him.

That is one I thought of.

And then he goes, Sammy was way too tall.

We were not happy.

We were told that they

won first in a contest, saying that you'll see the real thing.

Not.

We were not happy about the height of Sammy.

Wow.

We walked out after 30 minutes, and we weren't the first to leave.

So now we'll get an idea for what they were doing.

We were two and a half hours long.

Oh, I bet you it is.

That's painful that people are walking out and it's living room size because it's like, it's not like that's very obvious to everybody that that's happening.

He goes, apparently it's okay to be homophobic and sexist because it's taking place in the 60s.

Now, this line's great.

The Frank Sinatra portrayer had the best voice, but no enthusiasm.

He's probably embarrassed to be in this show.

The Dean Martin character did dad jokes and slurred, wow.

But the worst was Sammy Davis Jr.

character.

We couldn't understand his words when he sang, and he kept thrusting his pelvis out to make jokes.

Wait, is that a move that Sammy used to do a lot?

Or is that one that the guy invented for this show?

I don't know.

I don't know if because there wasn't a lot of pelvis stuff before.

I've never seen, like, I've seen footage of Sammy Davis Jr.

I've never seen him doing the classic pelvic thrust, but maybe he did.

The music is not really conducive to that type of rhythm, you know?

But yeah, it sounds like it was a pretty bad show, though.

Like, you know, Frank's like, he's pretty good, but he's really phoning it in.

Yeah, I like that.

That's what I like.

I like the idea of the guy not really giving it his all, you know.

Gareth from Cardiff UK says, two stars, not classy.

Frank Sinatra had a great voice.

Dean Martin was okay, but Sammy Davis Jr.

couldn't sing.

The big number, Mr.

Bojangles, was left out of the show is I don't think Sami Javis Jr.'s character was up to it.

Sammy Davis Jr.

made his part down market and not classy at all.

I don't know what down

market.

What does down market mean?

I know exactly what that means.

Brett, how many reviews for this show?

I don't know how many reviews there are for the show.

188.

There are 188.

That's a little more maybe than I would have thought, but I'm also guessing the show has been around for like 20 years.

Yeah.

probably more.

Everywhere I looked on Vegas, if you go to the Las Vegas subreddit and stuff and you type Rat Pack, this is what comes up, though.

So I'm a little surprised that there isn't a bigger Rat Pack show, but I mean, like, this culture is on life.

Yeah, I guess it's not really.

There's not that many people keeping it alive because even when you do go onto the Reddits and the message boards, they're not, you know, there's some diehards there, but yeah, it's really losing.

You know, who wants to bring it back in kind of a sad sad way?

Drake.

Drake.

Drake,

he like is very into the idea still of like going to a

Ciro's style.

Like there's this place, Delilah, in West Hollywood.

He has a song on his last album that's called like 6279 Santa, which is the address on Santa Monica of this club, Delilah.

And if you look inside the club, like it is a very, like, those kind of brightly lit big, like semicircular booth tables where like you go to like see and be seen, like that type of place.

He loves it.

So he's like, he is so down for this kind of thing.

He wants himself to be, he wants to be like a classic kind of guy.

Do you think there's any chance that

he's obviously doing very well with his music?

You know, he's struggling.

He had a tough

running.

He had a tough, tough running with Kendrick, but it's not hurting his, you know, his style.

I mean, he's still absolutely massive.

But do you think there's at any point he might go move towards this kind of crooning style in his later years?

Could you imagine that?

Really bring it back.

I can.

Yeah.

Yes, I can.

Good.

I can.

Good.

Sammy Davis Jr.

made his part down market and not classy at all.

He pretended on numerous occasions that the microphone was his penis.

See?

He pretended the microphone was his penis.

I mean,

he's humping the stool.

He's just got

a slogan up there.

He's just like, and he's just giving it hard on the stool.

He's like being so sexual.

And then, yeah, Frank's like phoning it in, like,

he's just not into it.

And I'm thinking Dean's like actually drunk.

Like, it does sound like it's a real nightmare of a show.

Like, I imagine it was a lot of fun.

I imagine it started in a huge theater.

And it's just gone down and down and down to where now

it's in the back area of like a club or whatever.

Yeah.

I'll bet that's also the frank guy making a choice.

I do too.

The frank

character.

If he's actually there,

his thing was never like gratitude.

Like, you know, like

connecting with like...

that he was like loving every all the shit that was going on.

It seemed like he was just a guy that was like naturally talented, would just like open his mouth and do the thing, but like, even in his eyes, like, he'd be like,

He's playing the character of Frank

even better.

He's like, It's kind of meta almost what he's doing, right?

And then he's reading these comments and being like, Okay, well, what do you want?

Do you want me to fucking like

a big, big, happy smile?

Like, I'm like giggling, like, what the fuck?

I'm fucking Frank Sinatra.

I'm being Frank Sinatra.

That's the idea of the show.

And our final review is

Sammy stuff, too.

Like the stuff that that guy said.

Quit playing with your penis up there, Sammy.

But yeah, this, I mean, yeah, it sounds to me like this guy is having a terrible time.

He's like, he's wanted to work so badly, and it was like, it's just falling, meteoric fall.

You know, it's just like last week, he was in a 300 cedar, you know?

Like,

and he blames Sammy 100%.

Like, he's talking to his friends.

He's like, we got to find another Sammy.

He's talking to the fucking tech guys.

He's like, can we get him a fucking LAV mic or something?

Let's figure this out for him, fellas.

Yeah.

I'll give you a five-star review here, and then we'll get out of here.

Oh, my God.

Great show.

Very entertaining and funny.

I brought my husband to Vegas for his birthday.

His first time, and we happened to share a rat pack passion.

So I could not pass this opportunity up, and it was a hit.

It felt like we were in the rat pack era.

I was singing every song.

We were in our 30s.

The crowd was definitely much older than us.

I'm sure they were confused.

He goes, I'm sure they were confused, thinking, why are these kids here?

I love that.

So, that's their whole thing.

They like, they feel that way.

Like, they're like, oh, I got everybody's like, wow, what are you guys doing here?

And nobody's fucking cares.

They're all focused on fucking Sammy thrusting his fucking big microphone there.

They're all on stage.

Yeah.

They're confused and mad, but not because of you.

They're not focusing on you at all, but yeah, these guys go everywhere, and they're just like,

we've dealt with like the metal guys or whatever, you know, they're just like, oh my God, people are probably like, they can't even handle this music that I'm listening to.

Nobody's thinking of us.

Yeah, so that was the last one.

Very fun.

Hayes, thank you for doing the show with us.

It was so fun.

Do you have anything to promote?

To promote February.

I mean, you act like you're this like, you know, sloppy operation.

We are, you know, just like, no, no, you're not.

You're recording episodes two months ahead.

That's we

terrible idea.

Like, what do you, I mean, that's not organized.

That's preparation.

Yes, it is.

Yeah.

We do it there.

It's like having your shit together.

This is fake.

Your shit is.

Yeah, we do.

In November, we made the decision.

We made a decision in October.

Try hard.

I promise you,

Brian and I do not have our shit together.

That is a promise.

We are absolutely floundering, and I promise everybody that that's the case.

Our shit is like

Kevin up until like 2:30 a.m.

to like get the thing off that we recorded like five hours earlier.

Yeah.

Sometimes that happens.

That's happened before.

But we are pretty organized.

Brian is pretty good about scheduling and things like that.

I do want to apologize one more time to you, Hayes, about where this is really embarrassing about the merch because I didn't even realize it's a sort of a, and it's a limited edition one as well.

So it's kind of like, you know, it's only a reaction that's

nothing.

It would be totally normal to just wear the shirt.

I just not talked about that.

But I feel like you would have got off the call and been like, holy shit, he was wearing the shirt and he didn't even mention that.

No, I would have been like, that's normal.

Now I'm going to be having my idea.

I do apologize about that.

First, he followed me into Biscuit Bitch in Seattle.

That's right.

And now he's wearing

Chris.

It is cool.

Hayes and I do have quite a history now

of Chris stalking Hayes.

And I still have not yet met Sean, and that is sort of suspicious about how he feels about me or whatever, but who knows?

That's right.

He wasn't on that episode.

That's right.

Well, he's got his own thing going.

Yeah.

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And we should, yeah, wait.

Carl Tart is the best.

But yeah, honestly.

I don't think that, Hayes.

I think you're the best.

Okay.

See, I'm like, I'm kind of the protagonist.

I'm the Frank.

I'm the Frank.

Let's just say it.

Like, it's me.

Brian is the Sammy Davis Jr., and I'm obviously the Dino.

I do stick to

our little rat pack that the three of us are in.

That's right.

I do the thing where I put my two fingers up and I do the tongue flip.

You do pretty clean.

I'll say Brian pulled a frank move on you, Chris, that you might not even know about, which is I had texted to ask if I could record this episode an hour later.

Brian immediately,

you know, Brian's jacked into the mainframe.

He's immediately texting me right back.

That works.

That works for me.

So I'm like, okay, great.

And he said, I'll tell Chris.

Well, that's because Chris is the easiest person in the world to schedule with.

Like, nobody's easier than Chris.

That's why we have fun.

That's why we're ahead is because I can just be like tomorrow at noon, Thursday at five.

You know what I mean?

I'm sure they said that about, you know, like Joey Bishop, too.

Oh, Joey Bishop.

No, Chris is Peter Lawford.

I'm Frank Simon.

And by the way, yeah, it was not a problem doing it one hour later.

We have a large pen that my baby is just sort of roaming in now.

So he'll be

fine.

All right.

We'll see y'all next week.

Goodbye.