2025 Ep 304 - The Pact That Could Change Everything

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Ahoy, Jimmy Frog.

Hamish.

Yes, okay.

Happy to be famous amphibians or

animals my daughter has in eraser form,

which would be a niche topic.

What's a razor form?

What do you mean?

Like as rubber's little, like, you know, pencil erasers.

Oh, yes, yes.

She's got like raging scooter and she's riding around the road.

She rides a frog.

Yeah, she rides the frog.

She's too big for the tadpole these days, so she's on the frog.

No, ahoy to you, Chip.

Jack.

Ahoy.

Frogging chip.

Frogging chip.

And I am the soul.

I mean.

Well, yeah, they do seem like three unrelated things, which I guess is the fun of the game.

Yeah.

If you're in woodwork, you would know it.

I'm loosely in woodwork.

Oh, yeah?

What are you making?

A drill.

Oh, yeah, okay, okay.

We are the three main parts of a hand plane.

If you're going to plane,

go electric.

Go right.

You guys join me and tell you what the parts are.

It seems like you said someone.

But Jack, you're building a sauna, right?

Wouldn't you be interested in some acoustic woodwork?

Are you all electric?

No, you can plug a planer in.

I've got an electric planer, and it does the job.

Well, I think you own a frog, a sole, and a chip.

If they have the same items that a hand planer does.

No, I don't think they would.

I think they would.

They would just jiggle faster.

That's the whole, literally, when you add electricity to a tool, it just jiggles it or spins it.

Yeah, that's true.

It is spinning faster.

Ahoy also to Isaac.

Use the very easy to use system, hamchini.com to tell us what he's been up to.

Poor guy.

Ahoy.

two really quick ones here.

This is actually from the Remembering Project, but Haim, before you got into golf, you did talk about maybe playing a 500 round just to piss off the principal of a golf course.

Did that end up ever happening?

Almost.

I just think it would be amazing to see some footage of you just shanking balls for six hours.

Now, the second part, the main course, if you will, for this voice memo.

I was just listening to Amy Poehler's new podcast, and I know that you guys are friends with Will Arnett, and that's her ex-husband so there is a loose connection even though this is a bit of a stretch but listen to this I don't know if it's hitting you the same way but there were just a few too many familiar notes in this little grab maybe she's a HA listener anyway have a good day boys gusto to you

got the grab for us now got the grab wow i have i have heard a bit of amy's new podcast i mean it's it's it's probably i think it's on a completely different platform but it is great i'm a fan um great She'll be thrilled to hear that.

Well, then she can't steal that bit because then it just sounds like her brag.

It's an ad she's doing.

Oh, I do skip that.

No, no, you can't skip ads on that.

I can tell anyone whether I've got the disk.

And I think when you guys hear it, you know exactly what Isaac is talking about.

Woo-hoo!

This episode is brought to you by Volkswagen.

Ever look at something and think, wow, must be nice.

Yeah, same.

But here's the thing: the 2025 Volkswagen Tiguan makes all that really nice stuff totally within reach.

A doubler.

She's a big, she's a fan of you.

Do me a favor.

She's obviously a fan of ours.

If she then goes on to explain how, you know, and you don't have to be a Noel Blake to get a Tiguan, stocks are now in

perfectly matched demand as as opposed to back in 2018 or whatever.

We're talking about my dad bragging about the fact you can't get a Tiguan.

I feel like you can get a Tiguan these days.

We haven't checked in on Tiguan.

It was probably the original Must Be Nice, though, wasn't it?

Getting a hold of Tiggy.

It was, yeah, I think it was the original My Dad Drives a Volkswagen Tiguan.

Let's just hear it one more time, Jack.

Woohoo!

This episode is brought to you by Volkswagen.

Ever look at something and think, wow, must be nice?

Yeah, same.

But here's the thing.

The 2025 Volkswagen tiguan makes all that really nice stuff totally within reach see here's the thing i'm thinking is that obviously she gets handed the script from tiguan

she's not necessarily listening to our show that volkswagen are yeah and it actually sounds like an ad that was meant to be on our podcast and it's been given to somebody else

uh

I'm changing tack now, guys, because there's something I wanted to present to you both

and it's pretty serious so it deserves this music.

Okay.

Sorry, just before you go on, I've heard a few people say there's a Tiguan to me before and it's actually a T-cross.

So just be careful before.

I know we've moved on, but just be careful before you go going.

Oh, they're not that rare.

There's one.

No, that's a T-cross.

I wondered whether both of you would be interested in a pact.

Okay.

Yep.

We'll have a good pact.

don't think we've had a pact ever or at least for a while i think we've got a lot of unspoken pacts but this one's a spoken one okay

it only works if we all

agree that yeah that's pacts yes but there's

there's a little bit of a we we came across the the treasure in the the inkan jungle and we made a pact to never reveal or dave didn't he said he's going to tell some people

we made a pact

You all need to be in on the pact.

Risky could change the way we feel about each other forever.

It could mean that we start wishing misfortune on one another.

Okay.

Which isn't too different.

God forbid.

Our kids, if we have them, or our wives, if we have them.

So far, maybe none for two on your cat, although you are

working on it.

Maybe annoyed at us a little bit.

Yep.

Again, not a huge deviation from the normal run of the mill.

It could bring us a small amount of happiness, though.

Well, that's good.

And a bit of a tough.

I feel like you're asking, would you like to continue the podcast?

And comfort on what will be in the future a sad day, you would assume.

Okay, but we're not getting that much out of it so far.

Yeah, we'll guarantee two of us get $50,000.

oh wow well i know jack's involved unless there's some outlay more than twenty dollars what do you mean two of us here's the pact i'm proposing

in the wind

would we make a pact

that whoever dies first gives 50k

to the other two

yeah too quick for the yes jack which makes me feel like he's about to mushroom mushrooms.

Beef Wellington's wall-to-wall from here.

That's a good point.

Maybe you can't be dying.

You can't be killed.

You can't be killed.

You can't be killed by anyone.

Yeah.

I think the pact is out if it turns out that any of us have been killed by someone because it can't just be

in a car accident.

Like, that's someone else killing me.

But how do I know Jack didn't hire a semi-trailer to, I mean, it's 50 grand, though.

We've seen what he's done for free hack.

no yeah no suspicious circumstance remember the lengths he went to to get free peanut butter there was no money involved in that transaction it was literally like nine one nine dollar jar of peanut butter a month and he sold his soul to two governments

okay well we need to you have to put it in that's why there's a little bit of admin which worries me about hamish doing it but yeah we have to put it in our wills we'd have to say you're already in my will yeah and you're in my will i've got an absolute bonanza coming your way mate but again i actually haven't put the unless he unless he does me in in

clause.

I just assumed, you know, I wouldn't, that you wouldn't.

You're in my will as well, Jack.

No, thank you.

I've never made a will, it's definitely on my to-do list.

Yeah, it's one of your monkeys, I think.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

It's still, it's every day I see it on that to-do list, and I think not today, but soon.

No, no, you're flat out.

How's the job?

Well, I don't have a job at the moment, so there's not a lot to leave in the will.

Yeah, no, that's good.

So,

Jackie, I'm not telling you, I'm not telling you.

Oh, no, I can't tell you Jack what's in my

And he knows what's in my will for you, Jack.

Well, have you got like a boobie prize in there for me or something?

I don't know what it's like.

What is it?

The electric drum kit or something.

No, you have that.

That's now like eight people removed from me.

I will never be able to get that back.

All the money from my estate will be drained in legal fees as the executor tries to find the drum kit.

Just puts 10 years of expenses in trying to find the drum kit.

Never turns up.

Give me a clue what's in there for me.

Put something in there to deliberately confuse you.

God, don't be tricky now.

I'll be grieving.

Well, that's not a bad thing.

You may lose 50 grand.

So here's the thing.

Yes, I think that's a great rule.

Can't kill each other.

Which is one of the unspoken packs I think I was talking about.

Yes.

Any suspicious death.

Nullifies it.

Also, anyone in your periphery, like, you know, if Bianca, that applies for Bianca as well, Jack, because she would benefit from the, from the 50%.

I don't think she would kill you, but I understand.

Yeah.

So

do we have a pact?

Well, what about, can I throw in one more thing to it?

What if we do, instead of just 50 straight, we do like a percentage of our

total prices?

Jack's already drawing contra.

I actually have quite a lot of mission corn chips left over from when I did a deal with them.

So could I, could I, could it be

not do percentage of net wealth, Jack.

But thank you.

Flat fee, you'll notice.

Flat fee, we're doing flat fee.

Tried to jordan us, yeah.

No fee, just 10% of the shoes.

All right, I'm definitely in.

Definitely.

Do you think that you're a better chance to win it because you're a bit younger?

Well, I'm eight or nine years younger, so already there, I've got a head start

and I'm looking for money.

So there's two reasons.

There's two good reasons.

Not that I would hate for either of you to die, but

what a bonus it would be.

I'd say Jack seems too upset.

I would hate it.

Yeah, yeah, I would hate it.

No, I've got no issue chucking it in there.

I mean,

you're already doing well.

In my will,

you're already well looked after.

So why not put another layer of cream on the cake?

Done.

Hey, it's been a while since we've done one of these, but if anyone hits us up at hamishney.com and they'd like us to do a gusto check in special circumstances, we'll do it.

This is where we call a business or a company and assess how much gusto they are giving when they answer the phone.

How good are they at representing the company?

Yep, because we all know that gusto is the secret source of any business, small business and podcast.

I mean, you can say the words, you can make the noises you don't have gusto behind it no one's listening you know what's really fallen off yeah for afl fans very rarely is the song sung at the end by the team with gusto anymore in the change room oh you reckon they're just getting through it now oh they're just getting through it really it has you do i'd love to see someone graph it over time because it wanders so far away from the tune this would bother you and me as a musical theater student

wanders so far it's just it's just it's tempoed shouting yeah a lot of the time and they really speed it up as well like they want to get it over and done with jack yeah

love to see you come in as the choir master appointed to an afl club after

okay guys we're gonna go again and if i see any more pushing and shoving and shouting I don't care how long it takes.

I don't care if we miss the flight back to Melbourne.

We're going to sit here and we're going to sing the song properly.

Exactly what our music teacher used to do.

Lock the doors.

No one's going home until we get this right

um this came in from nick he said my two brothers are currently looking at taking over the family business

and the rest of us what sorry what's the biz it's hydraulics

as in you know for pumps and for tractors and that kind of stuff yeah cool farm equipment he said The whole family is wondering who will be the better leader.

He said, I'd love a gusto check comparison between the two of them.

They work in the hydraulics field, so acting like a farmer should get you the right results.

Yeah, okay, great.

So succession.

It's succession.

Any succession.

Chris is the older brother.

David is the younger brother.

He's the Kieran Colkin character.

And the way he describes the man, actually,

we don't catch him at the window.

Chris does seem a bit more straight-laced and straightforward and admin-heavy, but could run the business.

And David, the younger brother, does seem like a bit more knockabout.

Oh, a Maverick.

Maverick.

Who will shepherd the hydraulic business into the next 40 years?

So we normally judge this on a couple of metrics.

The greeting's the first one.

As soon as I pick up the phone.

Then there is, we've got to make one up.

I'm going to ring and say my tractor's lost its grunt.

What kind of tractor is it?

It's a Ford 4610.

Asked my uncle well done

well done yeah for a second i was like ford not a huge name in tractors no apparently particularly a while back bigger as well so that's why maybe the hydraulic so you don't want to go a massey ferguson or a john deere or one of the bodies classic tractor nah i'm comfortable with my backstory

um and what what hydraulic on it like front lift back lift the pump yeah pumps gone yeah So where would we be looking for gusto there in that response?

I suppose we'd be looking for

reassuringness.

yeah like yes like how eager is eagerness to solve the problem yep love that what about ando if you say to them like i'm really on the fence about this that's their chance using gusto to get you to make a decision yeah i'm unsure whether to fix it at all or just get a new one is that is that is that what we're thinking so then they've got to convince us to come in because if you get a new one you're going to the ford dealership yep so we've got greeting eagerness to help convincing and then when they hang up.

Um, we've got the number of

Chris, we're going to start with the older brother, Chris.

There, yep, okay.

Is he at the shop?

Is he

on the mobile?

And sorry, just weekly.

I'm just reading Nick says, Tell the older brother that someone from Ergon recommended you.

Are you ready, Andrew?

Sounds like a yeah, it sounds like a um a suburb of Middle-earth.

Here we go.

Gusto, gusto check.

We're gonna do a gusto check.

Numbers in.

Hi, Chris Speaking.

Oh, hi, Chris.

Dale here.

Have I got the right number for vision

hydraulics?

Yeah, mate.

Yep.

Oh, great.

Yeah, someone from Ergon recommended you guys, so I thought I'd give you a call.

Yeah.

Yep.

My tractors lost some grunt i think uh one of the pumps needs a bit of looking at or something

the tract what's sorry my tractor yeah my my tractor's lost i think one of the pumps in it's in its gone i understand you guys do the hydraulic oh tractor tractor you'll be wanting to talk to cole cole he's the tractor guru he's my uncle Oh, right.

Yeah, he's, we don't touch tractors.

We don't know.

The old man hasn't touched them and we haven't even done anything on them for as long as I can remember, mate.

But my uncle, he's all over the tractor things.

He does that side.

I can give you his number.

So, what do you guys do?

We're hydraulics as well, but we don't touch tractors.

Would you make an exception?

Just because the guys, no,

no, no, no, why don't you touch tractors?

Because we don't, like I said, mate, I've never worked on a tractor, to be honest, myself at all.

So, we've sort of gone away from that path and we're specializing in all the EWPs, crane borers, VLCs, that sort of thing.

So, So, but my uncle is that's what he does, mate.

He does that.

So, but you got a pen and paper on it.

Yep.

Oh, four.

What's his name?

Hole is his name.

If you give him a call, mate, he'll be all over it.

And yeah, he'll have a chat to you if it's on a tractor side of thing.

And he does all that sort of stuff.

He splits him down, does lift pumps, everything in him.

So amazing.

All right.

Thanks so much.

Cheers, mate.

See you.

Bye.

We've got

a hell of a thumbs here from Nick, haven't we?

No, you did what you could.

Nick.

Oh, you could have just suddenly said, I do need a crane ball.

And then you're really out on your own.

Might have been flying with no instrument at that stage.

Actually,

did you say crane ball?

Yeah, I need one of those.

Should I come in?

It was a bad sign when he asked you for the third time what a tractor was.

Tractor?

you say and you're a farmer you say we haven't used tractors for years

no mate we do plows all strawn plows far as i know that's the end of the line for technology okay here's the thing i still think we could score him on gusto greeting

i was low at the start and but i bumped it to a five after you said i i got recommended by ergon yeah and gusto did move at that point oh okay yeah and we're we're calling him on his personal number where we'll call his brother on the shop.

So let's, I think we need to give a couple of people.

Five's a bump.

Yep.

Eagerness to help?

Zero.

Oh, actually,

I actually think he won it.

I had eight and a half.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Because he did help out with cold, didn't he?

Eagerness, eagerness.

He didn't just, how easy would have been to be like, mate, we don't touch tractors.

You're no use to me.

Yeah, yeah.

Think about like he's he, that was selfless, really.

I mean, well, slightly keeping that's, you know, in the family, but

I thought high on eagerness to help.

And then convincing you to go to Cole was huge.

I agree with that.

And also

convincing us of what they do.

I mean, he threw more acronyms at me that I've ever heard of in my life.

It was

no, I mean, I knew what they were, but yeah,

he said the phrase, he's all over it in regards to Cole.

I counted four times.

Wow.

I thought that was high gusto by just continuously saying Cole's, he's all over it.

He's all over it.

That's a high gusto to convince someone to see their uncle about a hydraulic.

Yeah, no, I agree.

I agree.

And then the goodbye, probably an eight, yeah.

Yeah.

It was, didn't blow my socks off, but it wasn't lacking gusto.

Well, that's a pretty good score.

Pretty good for someone that wasn't, it wasn't what we were after.

Now, do you want to, it's not really apples to apples, but.

I think I have to go with the same script because we can't judge him.

You've got to give him the same material.

Yeah, you're right.

The younger brother.

I've got Chris at a 31.5.

Is that at 40?

Yep.

Yep.

Yep, decent.

Let's see how David does.

Here we go.

This is David.

Good luck.

Thanks, mate.

Hello, David.

Speaking.

Oh, good day, David.

Dale here, mate.

How are you?

Good, mate.

How are you going?

Yeah, good.

Someone from Ergon recommended you guys.

Is that

you guys from Vision Hydraulics?

Sarah?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, great.

Yep, great, great.

My tractor's stuffed.

It's just lost its grunt.

I think the pump needs looking at or something.

Yeah.

You guys do that kind of stuff, don't you?

No, not tractors or anything, mate.

No, I wouldn't have.

The old man would have years and years ago, but I haven't looked at a tractor in, oh, well, I haven't looked at a tractor.

Really?

Wow.

No, no.

What are you guys doing then?

Well, oh, yeah.

We used to do all the agricultural stuff and that, and we've moved on to like the EWPs, cranes, all that sort of stuff now.

Still do hose, cylinders, motors, pumps, all that sort of stuff.

But tractor-wise, they're a completely different game to pretty much any of that sort of stuff.

Yeah, they are, aren't they?

Yeah, yep.

My uncle Cole, mate,

that's all he specialises in is tractors.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yep.

So, yeah, Ken went off.

My old man, Ken went off in one way, and Cole stuck with the tractor's mate, so he'd be the one to talk to.

Okay.

Do you have Cole's details?

Yep.

Oh, four.

Let me guess.

What's the last bit?

Yeah.

Yep.

Great.

Thank you.

All good.

Thanks, mate.

Okay.

Thank you.

Cheers.

No, I threw him on saying let me guess because I got excited and then realised it would have ruined the experiment.

It would have completely tampered the experiment.

no sorry wow it's close it's close i reckon his

i reckon his goodbye probably let him down

when i see loss taking over the family empire on a goodbye i threw him he was through him he was rushing he was rushing

he was he felt rushed to get you off the phone he did but again both of these young men yeah have done a huge solid to a customer i'd say he's greeting nothing to do with their business and they're just chucking colesome work i say his greeting was better better I mean that assists.

I liked the comedy in I haven't looked at a tractor since, well, I've never looked at a tractor.

That gave us a giggle.

That's good gusto.

That was equal for me for eagerness to help at eight and a half.

Yep.

Convincing of how of what their company does.

That's got to be equal again.

He almost went right by the same.

I thought we were talking to the same guys before.

And then the goodbye.

You're right, Jack.

That's where he's losing it.

I had him at a four on the goodbye.

It was fast

i would not say rushed i would not say i would i would say he he's had enough fun with you and he's yeah he's moving i blame andy a little bit for going let me guess i mean that says he's like listen what am i doing on the phone with this kid wants to guess numbers written into it and isn't isn't doing anything for my business let me bump them up then by two points for my mishap

And that gives him a 29.5.

To be honest, it's too close to call.

Who was the brother that asked us to do this?

Nick.

Should we give Nick a call and give him the results?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we should.

Give him because the results are in.

Here we go.

This is Nick the middle brother.

Hello.

Is that Nick?

Yes,

hey, Michani, mate.

Hey, mate.

Now great.

We are great, Nick.

We've got some good news.

We are hot off the gusto check of Chris and David.

Well,

unfortunately, it was a good thing.

It was Nadal Federer, mate.

Well, I mean, the boys did really well.

Both brothers did well.

But I have to preface it with this.

A slight fumble on our side of the fence where Andy.

And Nick's, to begin with.

Yeah, well, Andy interpreted your email saying be a farmer.

Andy went in with the cover story that his tractor had, quote, lost grunt.

Yeah, that would have been right.

That would have been right.

This is what it writes.

And Nick, Nick says, acting as a farmer who needs a pump fixed on their tractor yeah would be perfect yeah well it threw the boys a bit because both of them went we've never dealt with tractor like we don't know they're full of it mate they used to all the time

they both

honestly they both said we've never worked on a tractor

nick wouldn't it be more accurate to say that's more of a coal issue he does do the

So you've heard the whole story.

Yeah, they both directed us in the direction of your uncle, Cole, who does work on tractors.

Your dad in the end.

And he split it off.

You've heard everything.

They gave us a great story.

And that's why they scored so well on the Gustav test, because you have to look at it through the lens of going, essentially, here's a customer that represents no revenue to the business at all, but they were still very helpful and keen to get Cole to business.

So that's why it was amazing.

They almost both followed the same script.

We rang Chris first.

um the old the older brother and then david younger more of a maverick and the scores were so close.

We've raked it at a 31.5 versus a 29.5.

So what we're saying to you, Nick, is we don't have the answer.

I wish we had a better answer.

If one of them had just gone, you've got to talk to Cole, here's his details, it would have been a clear winner.

But both men

stepped up and looked after Uncle Cole.

Perfect.

Whose decision is it?

Is it your decision against the company or is your dad?

I've got nothing to do with the mate.

I left that company a few years ago.

That's why you don't know what they do.

Exactly right.

It's all changed.

No, I think at the end of the day, it'll be both of them who'll take it over.

Well, our data would suggest they should.

We think that would be perfect because they're singing from the same hymn book.

Perfect tune and perfect harmony because they had it all.

So, I mean, that's got to give you and the family some comfort, doesn't it, Nick?

Exactly right.

Peace of mind.

How good's that?

And has anyone from HBO got in touch to do a sort of a succession type story about the family, and you know, Cole.

Cole's not in every episode, but he certainly pops in when there's a tractor.

Have a think about it, not yet, but it sounds all right.

Yeah, well, thank you, buddy.

Um, we look forward to you hearing it back

because um, I think they've done the family proud.

Yeah, thank you so much, boys.

I appreciate the checks there.

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Are you how heavy a user of Chat GPT are?

I'm going to tell you how heavy am I.

Like, well, I haven't haven't done.

Come on.

We read Jack's golf scores out.

We're going to start tracking everyone's weight.

How heavy are you, mate?

How heavy a user?

The last time I got weighed, I can't remember what it was, but it was like for something like a, I don't know,

not at the airport, some situation where someone's like, oh, we quickly need to weigh you for something.

He would have been going on a helicopter, Jack.

Yeah, they don't do it on an airplane.

Yeah, it must have been for, like, I think I got a new butler and he was like, if I'm going to piggyback you, there's an OHNS thing.

But I can't remember what that was.

I just remember going, yeah, but shoes, wallet, phone.

Yes.

When you go, wow, there's eight kilos in that.

There's obviously eight kilos in that.

No, how heavy a chat GPT user are you?

How many times a day would you use Chat GPT?

Four.

Yeah, about the same.

Because I'm now at the stage where I realize, like, okay, I'm really leaning on it for everything, really.

Like, I'm asking, just for asking questions, not to do work.

No, no, no, but just, but to go, just, just, it's really kind of replacing Google.

Instead of Google.

But then you can't try.

Then I've been taking everything as gospel from it and then realized,

like, for instance, the example I have was I was trying to find something for in writing for the animation and it's like a fact about insects.

And I asked Chat GBT, but because like it's a kids program, it actually gets fact checked and real people come back.

And so.

Oh, you try to, and you try to put misinformation about bugs in there.

Exactly.

And so they go, you realize that's not true.

I'm like, but Chat GPT said it was true.

True.

So

it's true.

But you know, every time you correct it, it goes, oh, you're absolutely right.

Yeah, because, and then you're like, well, just do another check because I thought you're reading the whole internet in one second.

Yeah.

And you just give, you distill it for me.

I try to tell it when that happens, I try to tell it like, well, remember this now for the next person.

Oh, yeah.

And it says it will, but I don't think it is.

I have one.

Well, I've begun to worry what it thinks of me because now it knows you so well.

And this newer versions of it, like it didn't used to do this, but I noticed more and more it will be like, well, remember, you were talking about kayaking three weeks ago.

If this is about, if this is about a kayak paddle, then you would look for this.

You're like, okay, so you're getting to know me.

So I fall into the same trap where it will go.

There was, I asked it for a fried rice recipe.

And then it was like, do all this, you know, do the rice like this,

and then put the chicken in at the end.

And I knew what it meant was you have cooked the chicken previously.

And then there's the final bit, you put the diced chicken in at the end.

But to be a smart ass, because it just said put the chicken, I go, oh, really?

Put it in raw.

I would have thought you'd cook it.

And it goes, no, of course, you must cook chicken.

You must always cook chicken.

Yes, I didn't say cook chicken, but you must cook chicken until it's like 68 degrees or whatever.

That's when it's safe to serve to people, blah, blah, blah.

But I never go back and go no i know i'm just joking so the last interaction it has with me is is me going oh so you put it in raw do you and it going well i corrected it so

it thinks i'm an idiot because it doesn't know i was joking because i it thinks i genuinely went oh i served at raw everyone hated it that's a terrible recipe so every time i'm a smart ass to it it thinks i'm being an idiot The other thing I worry it thinks about me is it's because of this last interaction rule.

Just quickly, are you a please and thank you person?

Yeah, I remember reading, didn't the head of ChatGPT go, yeah, it costs billions of like hours of electricity every time someone says thank you?

Yeah, because they haven't made it process it.

So they're asking you us not to say please and thank you.

I like to be friendly to it, though.

Yeah.

Well, maybe in that tone, here's the thing that I really worry about.

It's this last interaction thing where you go, like, it must think, I mean, I know I'm a pretty erratic person anyway, but it must be like, who is this guy?

Because there was an incident where one of the kids got whacked in the face um with a tennis racket you know my daughter was a genuine accident from my son but there was i thought maybe she had a bit of a broken nose recently and dad was on on duty so whilst trying to keep the vibe up i was also going how would you check if a child has a broken nose And like, what are the signs?

And I explained, I said, you know, we have a bit of an incident here where a young man's accidentally in the back so he can hit a young lady in the face.

You know, how would you check?

And so it goes, it's like, okay, you're doing the right thing.

Look for this, look for that.

And then it's like, the worst thing that could happen, I wrote it down.

It was like, it's a septal hematoma.

And I'm like, okay, what's that?

And then it goes, septal hematoma is like a blood blister or pooling of the blood, like, you know, in the nose.

Yep.

Could go onto the brain, could whatever.

Would you like a checklist of how to check for a septal hematoma?

Yes, please.

Gives you the list, like look up their nose, find a flashlight, that kind of thing.

And then, of course, I go and look and it's fine.

Like, she's fine.

We just have a bag of frozen peas on her nose and life goes on.

But then, the next thing I ask, ChatGPT doesn't know that the emergency is over.

So it's given me like five pages of like child facial health care.

And it's like, you must check for this, of course, if there's any dizzy, swelling, nausea.

And then out to it, out of nowhere, I go, how long should you put a mini apple pie in the eggs?

Okay.

All right.

So is the daughter okay, or have we just made it uncle back?

So

they couldn't serve it back, do they?

Yeah, because all of them are all in the one thread.

So I always expected to be like, who is this guy?

Like, I thought his kid had a facial injury.

And he's just like, how do I take out pants?

How would I alter the waist of a pant?

Well, again, daughter head should be the priority.

And

I thought we'd do some upset Andys because

we do have a ton of them that are piling up.

But speaking of piling up, I actually wanted to start with a quick

bit of a personal upset Andy.

I haven't been to your place for a little while.

Our catch-ups have been outside the house.

Yes.

But one thing always strikes me about your house that I have a lot of at my house and you don't have at your house is piles of what piles of things stuff like yeah i resolve i think he doesn't and doesn't even know what i'm talking about he just sits blankly looking at me what do you mean me mine's mine's near the fruit bowl yeah because the fruit bowl's in the corner of the kitchen yeah the fruit bowl pile what do you mean but what's in there

everyone knows what's in the fruit bowl pile so all right well as a test ando yeah

i have texted jack a list of things a list of household items.

We're going to play a game called Where Does It Go?

Okay.

Where does this live?

Because that's how piles form.

It's like it's miscellaneous stuff that doesn't have an home.

Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I know what you mean.

But you, Ando, say in your house where it would go if it has a home.

And I'll say where the home is in my house.

And then, Jack, you, I guess you just press correct or incorrect, depending on if you think we're telling the truth.

Okay, go for it.

Jack, what's the first one?

Small tape measure.

Where does it go in your house, Andy?

So that is in the pantry, in a box,

alongside,

we never need this, but needle and thread

and some lighters.

What's the box labeled?

That's the annoying one.

It's called Bits and Bobs.

Very good.

Fruitball pile.

No, that's correct.

That's where it goes in our house.

Okay, Jack, next.

Adhesive backing for a whiteboard that was never applied.

Yep, that's in a box in the pantry.

This is crazy.

And it's called tape and hooks.

Right.

At my house, Jack, that goes

fruitball pile.

No, Jack, that's correct.

That's great.

Sorry, okay.

Hair clip is the next one.

Hair clip.

Hair clip.

Oh.

I wouldn't have one.

What's a hair clip?

What do you mean before?

Fruitball pile for me.

What I know.

Or, like for kids' hair or something.

Yeah, I suppose, like, maybe a Beck would have a but I true, I probably have more unicorn hair clips that might be.

Beck would be told to put that in her section.

Where's her section?

Well, just probably in the I don't know, I don't go there, but probably in the bathroom.

No, no, she's got every single closet in the bathroom.

No, no, yeah, fruit ball pile for the house.

So, so you have no poles in your house that build up with stuff?

No,

that's unbelievable, isn't it?

What's the next one?

A double adapter.

Oh, electrical

fruit bowl pile

that's a bulky item though so you tuck it under the rim of the fruit bowl to keep appearances

a sea cell battery that's in electrical yeah fruit bulb

one using the wax battery you're like okay one will keep you here until your friend shows up and a key whose corresponding lock is unknown though i would never have one

fruit ball pile

let's jump into that all right good to know

everything is neat and practical

because that's the way he likes it but what if it wasn't upset Andy

Pile free house what a dream someone said to me the other day you you can't be much fun to hang with

me no me

Amish can't be much fun to hang hangar.

And I went, oh, why do you say that?

You're like, oh, you come across a real stiff, you know, on the show.

And I went, oh,

but when you hang out with people, you don't do those things.

Like,

but I'm always early and up for extra fun because I don't have to put away batteries and double adapters.

You're always early.

Well, no time.

Hannah, Hannah.

Ahoy.

Ahoy.

Ahoy.

Ahoy.

Ahoy, Hannah.

What have have you got to upset, Ando?

So one of my friends who works drive in, drive outs, he works on a two weeks on, one week off roster, we're having coffee and I asked him when's his next free week off.

He pulled his calendar out, to my surprise, which was a screenshot of the Apple calendar, which he then uses the edit tool to scribble on with a red line to show which days he is working and isn't working.

Yeah, that's not right.

I can see that upsetting him.

It's right in one of his absolute pet peeves, which is improper calendar or spreadsheet use.

Yeah, but why not just use the app?

Well, I did ask this, and he learned something that day.

He thought if he wanted to spread something over two weeks, he would have to do, you know, 14 individual entries.

But I showed him the aspect of the app where you can go, you know, from the first of the month to the 13th of the month, this is a continuing event.

Oh, he did.

So he was drawing the line, like, yeah, going across the days.

He thought it was a time saver.

All right.

Love it.

Thank you, Ada.

Love it yep

that's hot on the uh

that's annoyed him sonia ahoy to you ahoy what have you got to upset ando okay so a while ago we noticed our toilet shut-off valve wasn't working so the water was going through the system and my husband figured the best solution was to just turn the tap off at the wall which means every time we go to the toilet and want to want to flush we obviously have to turn it back on but it's situated behind the toilet so the only way to get there is to basically put your face into the toilet bowl every time.

So you try to remember at least to do it before you sat down.

So you don't have to build up any amount.

Yeah, exactly.

No, that's a fix instant.

That's a stop what you're doing, go get your tools and try and sort that out immediately, that one.

Oh, that sounds like a long time.

It does sound like they've come up with a good solution.

I mean, what's the difference between a button and a tap?

That's true.

Having to come face to face with what you've just emptied yourself off, I think is the real problem for me.

Good one.

Thank you so much, Sonia.

Dylan.

Ahoy, boys and the weasel.

Not too many cigggies for you today, please.

Have you had more than 20, Andy?

I've had

simple question.

He's very good.

Dylan, what have you got to upset, Ando?

All right.

So my brother-in-law, Brad, recently got one of those wall-mounted retractable hose reels for the garden.

Must be very nice.

The only problem is he hasn't mounted it to the wall.

So every time he uses it, the entire unit just drags along behind him across the wall.

Still works.

Still reels.

Yeah, so eventually the other side of the hose would grab, providing enough tension for him to get a little bit of the reel coming out, I'd imagine.

Yeah, it doesn't get very far.

Nah, that's awful.

That's the worst we've had today, I reckon.

It's so fast and it's fast and undone.

It's the loosest.

Man, thank you, Dylan.

I do feel him because I feel like every time I use, I do luckily have the similar system that I inherited at this house.

I didn't put it in and it's fixed to the wall.

But anytime I'm using one that's one of those like

lawn stand hose reels,

what are you meant to do there?

You meant to take all the hose out you need first and then use it and wind it up because I just start walking and then it flips to its side and it's dragging along and it and it always freaks out.

Tell me, Andy, you're the kind of guy that seems to know the system.

You're meant to pull the hose out first.

Yeah, I tend to just put, I don't like them.

Can we put that out there?

Yeah, we can.

We can.

You know, you prefer the fixed mount like Dylan's talking about, but then you just secure your back, normally left foot for me, on the sand as I wind out a bit

and then walk off with it.

And so you guess, you estimate how much you'll need.

Yeah.

But I never know where I'm going.

Because

if I have to use a hose, quite often I'll freestyle.

I might squirt something, clean something, water something.

You have a plan before you unreal it.

Yeah, yeah, it's just set.

Routine.

Not Lucy, final one.

Lucy, ahoy to you.

Ahoy.

Happy birthday, Andy, and congratulations on the ST, Hamish.

Thank you very much, but we both planned not to mention those things.

Superior bladder, Lucy, bladder.

Talk us through it, Lucy.

What do you got for Upset Me?

So my husband is really fast and loose like Hamish.

And whenever we're going anywhere and he's tying up his shoelaces, he just quickly ties them enough so that they hold for like the length of time he thinks he'll be walking for

that is

such a delicate call that's such a minute effort saving to go I'm only gonna

put 60% pressure on this knot because I don't have time to pull it tight that's great but I would hate that and does it does it does he sometimes underestimate and they they loosen before he gets oh my god basically every time.

Yeah, yeah, and we'll get him a long time without even doing them up because that's the part that I get really worried.

Well, I look down as soon as I see an untied shoelace, I have to sort that out straight away.

I can't let it ride.

It's so funny.

Oh, no, he's walking along and it's flapping away.

And I'm reminding him, maybe double knot it next time, but he just says he doesn't have time.

Double knot?

Jesus, I'm not running across Australia.

I never need a double knot.

Sando, I feel like

that's the difference between us in a nutshell.

You look down and see a loose shoe, a shoelace, and what is your thought?

Your thought is like, okay, I might trip.

I might not be able to get the speed I need if I need to quickly move off.

I think

I better sort that out.

Honestly, I'm not even trying to be funny.

I'll look at it.

I'll look down and I'll go, that's a shame because I know that's not the optimal way for the laces to be.

And yeah, I'll have to look into that in the future.

No way is it happening now.

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