2025 Ep 296 - Another Jumper Taken Hostage!

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Ahoy to me band Hamish.

Oh,

hello and I hope Jack's a jig

and are you a two-handed saw?

Okay, yeah, no, not saws.

Okay.

Ah, do my crown, Jack.

A crown and a band.

I don't know.

I think I will give it away.

I'm the brim.

Oh, we're pauling.

Famous parts of hats.

I'm sure there's others, but they're the three most famous parts.

Three main parts of a hat.

Main parts, yes.

Yes, obviously the band is a strip of material that goes around the base of the crown, which is Jack, the vertical part of the the hat that covers the head.

And I am the brim that makes it...

Well, I suppose you can have a hat without a brim, but I think you'd have to be a bit more...

That's a beauty.

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

The Pope's hat.

And you can have a hat without a crown.

You can have a visor.

But traditional hats.

Traditional hats.

That's just people that have taken the hat game to whole new levels and they're just mucking around pushing the limits, deleting aspects, adding aspects.

But traditional hats, yeah.

They've got the big three.

With the Pope's hat, which is really tall.

Ridiculous.

He'd have to do neck strength exercises similar to the way we will have to do, depending on who is the one that is going to have the tallest tall hat on the earth.

I think that's why.

That's one of the considerations.

You know how they're talking about bringing in an age limit?

They're like, we don't want a super old Pope.

Just for the osteoarthritis reasons.

Just to not snap a neck.

Is that always been the same hat?

You know how, like, BMW will change the grille and bring out different models and change the lights and stuff like do you think it's the same hat for 2 000 years well is it is it the same size

i think there would be someone that is famously the hat maker to the pope yeah but is it the same specs or can as a new pope can you come in and go all over tall it doesn't look it doesn't look modern does it it doesn't look modern

can you show it

there'll be a pope that yeah that wears like you know a cap maybe maybe we see we're like a 59 inch come in or whatever like we see we see a cool hat come in but i yeah I think I think they go to traditional specs I reckon the reason it's probably got taller over time is each pub's gone just make it a little bigger than the last one and it's got out of hand to the point that it's at now

ahoy also to locky jones who went to hamishandy.com to upload what he's been up to and let us know about it ahoy hamish andy it's locky here my wife is currently going into labor and planning on listening to some built-up hamish andy podcasts to try and relax a little bit.

So I just wanted to give a special birthday shout out as well, not to Andy, the birthday pig, but to my soon-to-be-born daughter, Camellia.

Also, question,

are we counting birthdays wrong?

Today, in my opinion, will be Camellia's first birthday, but in the year's time, everyone is going to say happy first birthday again.

Do we need to revise how we count birthdays?

Thanks a lot, boys, and also happy 18th birthday, Camilla, for when this voice memo uploads to the platform.

Thanks, boys.

Smart dad, putting in the hours early many decades ago to make sure it's uploaded by now.

Yeah.

Locky posed some amazing questions.

It is a good point.

First off, busy, are you Locke?

Sounds like not contractions not too close together at this stage.

Locke's got all night out of it.

I would go, I mean, you get a dress rehearsal, don't you?

You get to practice your actual birthday, and then from then on you have birthdays.

I agree.

You do always have one more birthday than the amount of years old you are.

And I think we keep that as the way.

I mean, it's going to be very difficult to get enough groundswell to change it.

It hards everyone to just add a year on.

Yeah, especially if you're not sure.

If you're not adding a year, that's the tricky thing.

Yeah, but just as you can...

It's telling us how old you are to be like, well, do you mean how many birthdays have I had?

Or how old am I?

And you're like, all right, Wordle.

Just calm down.

we must move

because we've got a you can always reach out Hamishandy.com as Locky did obviously upload what you've been up to but also any question you might have about anything is there anything we can help with we always will try and Haim one fell on your side of the fence Matt contacted us with one very very

specific request.

It's something this show has done from time to time.

It's something we pride ourselves on doing.

If you have overcommitted to something, if you have said yes to something because it sounded great at the time and then later on, you've lived to regret it.

Come and talk to the experts.

Come and talk to your friends, Amish and Andy, and we'll help you wriggle out of that commitment.

We've got a wriggle out request from Matt.

Ahoy to you, Matt.

How are you going, boys?

Yeah, really good.

Give us this situation.

This is to do with your friend Tom.

Tom had a wonderful moment, didn't he, in his life?

Yeah, he's bought a house, needs to move house, and I don't want to help.

But I deliberately said that I would.

Yeah.

He did.

He did.

And so, am I I saying they're looking to move next month?

And did you?

A couple of weeks time, right?

So you've said, like, blanket, I'm there, my friend.

I'll, I'll do the move.

I just had this stupid thing where I didn't have a filter.

And I said, yeah, I'll help.

Right.

I got you back here, Matt.

We're going to call Tom.

You don't have to do anything else.

We'll take it from here.

You've done the right thing.

You've done the responsible.

Do you need any background on Tom, Ham?

Like, what are you?

No, I'm just going to ring up and say I'm Matt's boss.

And do you know what I mean?

Are you carrying Matt works?

No, no.

It's all fine.

Matt, are you currently employed yeah i run my own company so oh that's lucky

i'd love to have a boss yeah okay

maybe i do need a bit of background you would think a bit of background would help all right what what company do you run matt uh it's called incredible we make software make apps and ai software yeah great okay that's awesome so i'll just say do you have a co-owner at all matt Yeah, I do.

Stephen.

And he knows.

Stephen.

He knows Stephen.

I'll just say, look, I'm in business with Matt.

We've just signed a big deal and we need him for the whole month.

Would that make sense?

No, he's never heard Stephen's voice.

Oh, do you want to be Stephen?

He's never heard Stephen's voice.

Oh, do you want me to be Stephen?

Yeah, sure.

Could he conceivably think Stephen's from Australia instead of New Zealand?

All he knows is he's based in Dunedin in the South Island.

Great.

Oh, great.

Stephen here from Dunedin.

Yep.

I'm already method.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so you've got a big,

what have you got, Have you a Big deal, and you can control control.

Yep, okay, Matt, you will put you uh, you'll be out of here, but um, we'll drop you down for volume and then Hamish, you ring Tom as Stephen, and good luck clearing out the next.

You got everything you need, yeah, sure.

Short on info, okay, good luck.

Tom speaking,

is that Tom?

Sure, is good day, Tom.

It's Stephen here.

I work with

your mate, Matt.

Oh, yes.

Yep.

I'm in Dunedin.

He's obviously not,

but we're co-workers.

Right.

Okay.

Mammate, I understand you've had a bit of good news in your life recently.

You purchased a house.

I did, actually.

Yes, my wife and I.

Congratulations.

Great.

Great moment.

I just wonder if you can help me me out with a bit of a tricky one.

We've had a big contract land at our work,

like a big deal with the US.

And it's going to take up all of next month.

And we're flat out.

Now, I've obviously been saying to Matt, we need all hands on deck.

And he's been saying he's got to help you move house.

So he can't commit to the full month.

And

there's a bit of push-pull going on.

And, you know, we're a pretty small company.

And this is a big deal for us.

It's sort of make or break.

And I'm at the point where I'm saying, mate, you've got to commit to the whole month.

He's going, I simply can't.

And he's now threatening to quit because he's going to help me.

Help me move.

Well,

unfortunately for Matt, I'm going to need him to commit.

So I'd rather he actually quit his job and didn't land the contract and actually helped me move.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that's the tricky part because I would not like that.

And unfortunately for Matt, he put me onto the Hamish and Andy podcast several years ago, and I do keep up to date week to week.

So I'll accept this weasel out this one time.

Well, I don't know much about that, but what I do know is

we've got a huge contract coming up.

And like I said, were I not in Dunedin, I'd drive to wherever you are and we could discuss this face to face.

So let me just,

I think, obviously, obviously,

Tom, you were very much onto us.

But am I hearing the outcome has been successful that you're allowing Matt to wriggle out?

Well,

the move dates are flexible, so whatever works for him,

nothing works for him.

Sorry, just to bring you up to speed here, Tom, we don't have a big contract with

America.

He just doesn't want to do it.

He'd like to never do it.

I'll accept this wriggle out.

Great.

I don't know how it works if you don't accept it.

Just from our perspective, Tom, how much gusto was there in Matt's initial offer?

I think he reneged on it almost immediately.

Right.

He said he would help.

And then he said, ooh, I have just submitted a wriggle out to you guys.

And he said he was going to submit another one.

Okay.

Yeah, that might have ended Age's chances of that point.

All right.

Well,

that made it a little bit of an unwinnable situation.

Matt's here, by the way, too.

Yeah, Matt, are you happy with the outcome?

I got a verbal regulator confirmation.

Yeah, that's what you need, by the way.

I'm absolutely writing.

I asked for a regular years ago, Tom.

Not recently.

He asked me to daughter cutting out his kids.

Well, I suspect this isn't the last you'll hear from me, Tom.

It sounds like Matt has been sending lots of wriggle out emails.

So

you might see

Patrick from Christchurch might be giving you a call soon yeah keep the mind open for further further work fellas

on your legends thank you so much

guys

bye-bye

guys I did something this morning that I never thought I'd do

And I've only had the opportunity to do it once before.

Fun game.

Okay.

But I didn't have the guts then,

and I think you two may have had the opportunity to do it, and I don't think you would have had the guts.

Okay, no, it's on the roads to do with driving.

I mean, I don't know

my head, but I don't think it's this.

But

carpoo, carpoo

people have done, like you know, people have weed in a Gatorade bottle, but

it does a Gatorade bottle.

I would say

more dangerous than that.

Wow.

That doesn't exist.

Less relieving, more nerve-wracking.

Than

a Gatorade bottle.

I was making it up.

I just picked a bottle that seemed to have a wide enough mouth.

I tooted a police car.

Oh, in an aggressive manner.

And then like

lights have gone green.

So, yeah, here's the situation.

T-intersection.

Hey, you know know how T's work?

Like a T-shirt.

Yeah, that's why it's called a T intersection.

Not everyone knows that.

I'm driving along the top of the T.

There's a right-hand turn that would take you down the stem of the T.

Yep.

The lights go, I'm behind the police car.

Two cars take off and they go through the green line.

And they take off.

Green arrow?

Green arrow.

Green arrow or just green light?

Green light because we're going straight along the stem, sorry, along the top of the T and there's there's a right hand clinic turn yeah

they go off in a normal manner they would have been absolutely pooping themselves they got the cops behind them they wouldn't have tried to run in a gator ad bottle that's not a thing

so they have gone everyone's very orderly when there's a cop car around you drive just at a different kind of

all the time my sorry to jump in here for a sec but do you do this when cop cars are around

I'd like driving next to a cop car, I'll act very cool.

They look over at me, they look back, and then either I, you know, drive away or they drive away.

And I go, they didn't suspect a thing.

And then I go, but I'm not doing anything.

Yeah, but if I was, I would have got away with that so easy.

They didn't give me a second look.

I do, when I see a cop car, I do a tiny, tiny little bit of speeding to make it seem realistic, like that's my realistic driving.

Because I feel like going under the speed limit is too obvious.

So no suspicious.

I pull over and get out out and put my get on my knees with my hands laced behind my head

I tend to stay very still

like it's a Tyrannosaurus wreck you can't look in their eyes yeah like but inside the car not the car the cars keep going but I no but I that's why I look at them because I go guilty people don't look at it that's true so I look and they you know there's just they're always looking around they look away and that's when I just go God if I if I had like a boot full of contraband here but you look at them you wouldn't have suspected it.

You wouldn't have the guts to look at them.

Yeah, you wouldn't look if you would.

I'm practicing.

I'm always practicing.

So we're heading across the top of the T.

There's a right-hand turn.

They get to the middle of the intersection and there's no cars coming the other way and they just pause.

And I think they're contemplating whether to go right or not.

And I'm behind them.

And then the lights go orange and I'm going to be trapped inside the intersection on a red light.

Committing a crime in front of police officers.

Well, behind them, but yes.

And so I had to toot them.

Right?

Yeah.

Now, the type of toot, there was so much pressure on the toot.

Yeah,

there's so many types of toots.

I know exactly the toot you would have done.

Well, do you?

Because I've got five toots ready for you guys to listen to.

I'm saying up front, it was, did it?

There's no way you would have gone.

Well, I'm going to present you five toots.

No way.

So you guys can pick which one I did.

This is the first one.

No.

No way.

You wish.

No way.

You wish.

No,

it wasn't that one.

Number two.

No.

Still too aggressive.

Still too aggressive.

There's no way you go back to a third dip.

I didn't.

I did.

You might as well have been doing a gapu while doing it.

No.

No, it wasn't that one.

Number three.

Always a chance.

Yeah.

Don't have that installed in this particular car.

This is number four.

I think it's out of four and five.

Tell me what you think.

That's very.

Let me hear five.

That's probably a fraction too long on the two.

This is five.

That's the amount of beep I think he would have done, but I think they would have been closer together.

No, it wasn't.

No, I reckon it's that because it's nervous.

Listen to that again.

It's very nervous.

Yeah.

He's done two.

You're right.

He's done.

The first first one could be construed as a slip.

Yes, it's so tight.

So you do have to go again.

You're in my mind.

I was sitting there and the first one comes in.

Jack played again.

So I'm confident.

Oh my god, no.

So I was like, oh, they might not have even heard that.

They have to go again.

Now it's too

big a distance between the first one and the second one.

But yeah, anyway.

Like texting someone back an hour later.

So at that point, I'm sitting there going, okay, well, what's going to happen?

Are they immediately lights on, pulled me over, check for contraband.

But you'd be pleased to know it was just a handoff.

They gave you a backwards wave.

That's huge.

They obviously didn't realize I was behind.

Backwards wave.

And my day continued.

And you were allowed to come here as a free man.

Give it to us one more time, Jacko.

Yeah,

imagine they just lit up the sirens.

I swear, that's the one too.

You beg your pardon, mate.

You beg your pardon, we're untutable.

Haim, as we drift into the year, this game becomes harder, but people still hit us up at haimachany.com desperate to play.

It could be, this could be the last time we could play it.

You know,

with everyone having, I'd say you've got a 50-50 chance now.

It is, of course, tell us something we haven't thought of in a while.

The rules are we can't have thought of them this year.

So the deeper we go,

the more we are a thinking.

You've got a chance to win hats that have been sent in.

Don't know how that actually happened, but it's become a tradition that businesses will send in their hats.

It's been going for 10 years, and I don't know where it all started.

Right about the dawn of hats.

Let's jump into it.

It's been a while since I thought

about the actor Ed Harris.

Yeah, and it's been a while

since I've seen them.

Absolutely haven't

got him this year, Ed Harris.

Wouldn't have had him this year.

Truman Show, he's sort of the people might know him as the, you know, the guy running the Truman Show, if you've seen that movie.

Or in if you've watched Westworld,

the man in the black hat.

I mean, he's in a lot of stuff.

He's just one of those actors where you're like, oh, that guy, he's great.

Yep.

Yep.

That would have been a good one.

Haim, quickly.

Jack, you were making some noises like you might have thought of Ed Harris this year.

I watched a movie called A History of Violence earlier this year, and I believe Ed Harris is in that.

I think so.

Viggo Mortensen.

He's the star, Vigo, but I think Ed Harris or someone who looks a hell of a lot like him is in a history of violence.

Do you know what?

I think my dad reckoned he thought he looked like Ed Harris.

My dad looks a bit old Harris.

Okay, maybe it's just because there's not that many

silver bald guys that are Hollywood stars.

Send us both a photo.

Send me both a photo of your dad.

Not current day, but I think heyday Noel was close to Ed Harris.

Hamish and I, like the reason why Hamish did Viggo Mortensen and then looked at me like, oh, it makes it fif.

Were you impressed by that, John?

I was, and then I immediately knew that Viggo Mortensen was the star of the history of violence.

It was a slum dog millionaire moment because

in our first ever interviews, we got flown to Cannes in 21, maybe?

Wow.

22 for that movie.

And we had a few movies, yeah.

And we interviewed Viggo Mortensen and had to go to the premiere in Caen in France.

And he is now, I understand this, now that I'm about twice the age I was in Khan, and I know a bit more about Viggo Mortensen's body of work,

the most like actory actor, deep in the process.

I'm a huge fan.

I think he's amazing, but he doesn't care for the frivolousness of Hollywood whatsoever.

Interviewing him either.

And we had no idea what he was.

He was a bit of a cold fish, was he?

Well, no, no, but he was probably, if I had to describe it, he was probably erred way on, way too nice to us, way too polite to us because we were going in hot with FM radio games for like seven minutes.

And he's like, yeah, I'm actually a very serious film.

I'm at the Khan Film Festival and I've been this industry for 50 years.

Sorry, what are you guys doing here?

Exactly.

And Harris is in that film, Jack.

So well done.

Well done, Jack.

You hadn't thought of him.

Quickly go through the hats.

Drink Perry is the hat.

I think it's like a drink that you have before having alcohol, one of those kind of anti-hangover solutions.

Oh, yep.

Tell you what, though, I hope they've put all their technology into the drink and the vitamins because their hat is substandard.

It's black, it's shallow.

They've gone for embroidery, but they've made it way too small.

It's like as if they've gone for the cheapest possible.

It's like some of my tattoos are so small, they bleed into each other.

Yeah, that's what's happening with this hat.

And it's got a bucklet, the back, not our preferred.

Second hat, it's a great trucker.

I could see you in this one, Haim.

Yeah, solid.

That's a good, that's a good hat.

The Newport Hotel, it's got a double snap on the snap back.

It's got two rows of snaps.

You know, the two.

I don't hate it.

I don't like it.

I don't hate it.

I've never needed it.

No, I've never

blown out with one and gone, I wish I had twice the fastening power.

It's fine.

And then a controversial hat.

We've got a pink cowboy hat from the Peacemaker Saloon.

Certainly not an everyday hat.

Haim got told that

it is a pub or a more of a

more of a barbecue joint

in Canberra.

Certainly not an everyday hat.

No, it's a Hence Night hat, for sure.

And it does have a drawstring around, so it probably could go on a roller coaster.

Martin, kick us off.

Tell us someone we haven't thought of for a while.

I was just going to go with Zach Galley Fernakis.

Oh, nice.

I mean, he hasn't gone anywhere.

And the hangover was on the telly the other day when we were doing our meeting.

It was quite distracting.

So, I mean, I suppose, you know, yeah, no, I mean, I'd have to say I've thought of Zach.

Yeah.

This year being a,

you know, a comedy icon.

He's not far from the rotations in stuff you enjoy, but good, I mean, a good attempt.

I didn't think he was doing anything.

No,

he's in Lilo and Stitch.

The new like live action one.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yep.

So you don't have to worry about his employment.

Zach's doing good, and we hope you are too, Martin.

A good attempt, no choice of hat, Martin.

Um,

El Ahoy, Ahoy, hi, gusto to you, good luck, Benita, the OG Play School host, Benita, well done.

I needed the context,

Benita.

You remember Benita, yeah, she was like the most famous of the yeah, she's an icon.

Yeah, if we're anyone born, like sort of around we were 1981-ish, she's sort of Australia's mum.

Like, she was just the best, right?

right she would have done 40 years oh yes yeah

well yeah well done yeah i mean i mean she knew big ted when he was little ted she's known big ted for a long time uh l absolutely no chance for me well done well done what a wild array to go from zach gallopanakis to benita from play school what you love about this game um what would you like um drink peri like we said we didn't give that such a great um wrap that hat uh you got a trucker hat or um the pink cowboy hat i mean it's got to be the pink cowboy i think it's well done did not think it was going to get taken first but you've got it and as ando said enjoy your roller coaster if you choose to go on it thank you

sam

ahoy to you ahoy and the weasel there

tell some we haven't thought of for a while I reckon you haven't thought of Macy Gray in a while.

Sorry, mate.

Oh, that's so unlucky.

because I heard a funny story about Macy Gray.

Really?

The other day.

Did she ever come out, was she ever a judge for a season or a guest judge on like X Factor or

Australian Idol?

The voice or right.

So someone that I'm mates with was working in TV and they had to look after her in her green room.

Right.

And they ordered her a big sushi platter.

And they were like, you know, this is the best sushi place in Sydney.

You'll love this.

But this person had just been working all day and they were very, very hungry.

And they could use often in the green room, you have like a little monitor, you can see what's happening on the show.

They were doing a sound check for Macy Gray, and so he thought, oh, great, they're on, they're on set.

I'll just eat this sushi and was woofing into the sushi in her green room.

And she came in and caught him.

And I mean, it's a B-plus.

story.

It's an interesting anecdote, but it's certainly happened.

It certainly happened.

And you've thought about it.

And I've thought about it.

And she was on the Mask Singer, Australia, 2020.

She was on the Mask Singer.

That's what I was doing.

But was she singing on the Mask Singer?

She would have done a guestie.

She would have been one of the ones.

No, she wasn't on the panel.

She removed her hat.

She was masked.

She was one of the singers.

Yeah.

Korea's taking a turn then.

I was going to say.

I think it was probably true, Sam.

Hasn't she got one of the most iconic, raspy voices of all time?

Sam's song is iconic as well.

That's sad to see her behind the mask.

Being on the mask singer is like billboard centre link.

Sam, bad luck.

Mitchell, last one for the day.

Tell us someone we haven't thought of for a while, Mitch.

Ahoy, boys.

Gusto to you.

Gusto to you.

Great gusto.

I'm thinking David Caruso from CSI Miami.

All clear here.

No,

Andy.

I mean, dangerous waters to wade into.

Crime procedurals.

We know Andy and Beck.

Mitchell, we've finished Law and Order.

Oh, congratulations.

We have finished it.

Started COVID.

We went through the 26 seasons.

And who won?

Law or Order?

And the final score was Law 516, Order, 614.

No, it remains a struggle, I think, in New York City.

But as we finished it, Mitchell,

they said, what did you think of this series?

Double thumbs up, you know, thumbs up or thumbs down.

And then, could we recommend CSI?

And then that was where David, the red-headed guy that runs that CSI,

he was sitting there looking at us going, will you?

Will you dare

skin types to send to the harsh climate of Miami?

And I said, no, we've had our time and we've gone on to things that we should watch proper proper things.

Sorry, sorry about that.

I mean, Mitch, that does check out, Mitch.

Are you a fan of CSI Miami, Mitch?

No, not really.

How did he come to you?

I'm always interested to see how people get him.

He just popped into my head because I was thinking of like the meme, sort of, where he takes his sunglasses off and cracks like a joke.

Yeah, yeah.

And you went, gotcha.

I reckon I'm, I don't reckon anyone's else thinking this today.

It was a good try.

It was a great try, Mitch.

And on any other day, in any other year, you might have got it.

Cheers, bud.

And of course, I mean, if you want to risk it for the end of the year, send him in.

It's getting harder.

You just heard about it.

I mean, that's Andy's across it.

Ando,

last weekend, some of Australia's sporting elite were gathered on the Gold Coast as part of the Mick Fanning Charity Golf Day.

Yes.

You were sadly missed.

The organisation couldn't quite meet your appearance fee, which I thought was fair.

I thought it was a fair fee, Ando.

And I congratulate you.

As you said, i'm not backing down because then everyone as soon as people get a sniff of that everyone wants a discount

for people who don't know this mick fanning puts on a charity golf day um and uh at the on the gold coast um to raise funds for the flood affected areas up there and people

really have a go don't they it's it's a great day he's done such an amazing job yeah and you work for me in 100 and i know for a fact how hard you tried to move what is immovable, which is a television show just to come to the golf gate.

And that is a testament to what Mick and the team have done.

They really have, it's the greatest day.

It's the greatest day.

People have a ball.

The companies get behind it, just go absolutely nuts.

And they raise over a million bucks a year to,

as you said, to help fight affected areas.

And that's the spirit of the day, isn't it, Jack?

You and I were cartmates this year.

Yes.

I was even more jealous when I saw you guys just floating around and

you know, I know we pledged.

We obviously all have grown fond of this game of golf, but not it's not everyone's cup of tea.

And so we are trying to keep golf chat to a minute.

But people would remember,

obviously, last year there was the saga of the one-quarter zip-up jacket that you

took from Magic Mark, didn't take.

The great news is, Magic Mark.

I feel like we've had this argument a hundred times, but I think I got him an equivalent jumper that he lent me, so I didn't feel like I had to give him the original one back.

I don't see a problem.

He organized it, so you ended up with two jumbers.

All I'm saying is you knew Mark was going to be at the golf day.

He was there.

Did you

take that opportunity?

You know, I didn't.

I don't know.

I didn't have eyes on you all day.

I know Mark was there.

There's lots of people.

I didn't think of the jumper.

Did you take it?

I didn't even think of it when I was packing to go there.

And even if I had of, I wouldn't have done it.

Now, I understand that because it was the Gold Coast.

And the Gold Coast is a very warm place.

Yes.

I didn't pack any jumpers, actually.

Right.

So did you find that there was a need for a jumper at the time up there?

There was a beautiful day on on the course.

Oh, but yeah, by the end of the day, because afterwards, everyone sticks around and they do like a whole lot of raffle ticket prizes and that sort of thing.

And by the time it gets dark, the temperature does drop and I was cold and now I know where this is going.

Would you please tell the court what happened next?

Yeah,

I borrowed somebody's jumper.

And I've not yet given it back.

Well, that was my next question.

then went around asking for a jumper this man that didn't jack take a jumper when he stayed at your house ando yes no no i just i didn't take it i just wore when i was at his house he wore my band so i was doing him a favor and i wore one of my jumping the engine on for a car just to keep it ticking over okay so My question to you is, what is this world you're living in where you think the world owes you jumpers?

This was me asking for a favor.

Who gave you the jumper?

Well, there was people, there was all kinds of brands doing stuff up there.

And Bolta Beer is a big sponsor of the day.

So there was, it ended up being a Bolter hoodie.

And, you know, they give like those kind of brands have heaps of backups and that sort of stuff, I felt.

But as the guy gave me the Bolter hoodie, he said, oh, this is actually my one.

And then as I put it on, I could smell that it was his jumper.

It wasn't just a brand newie.

And I said, that's all right.

I'll find you by the end of the night and give it back.

And then that just really got away from me.

And

okay, so that was about a week ago.

Yeah, and then it came out of the wash this week.

And I was like, oh, yeah, I was meant to give that back.

But now he's on the Gold Coast and I'm here.

And like, who I don't know, his name is James.

I don't know any more details about him.

Have you made efforts to find James?

Well,

how would you find him?

There's got to be a million Jameses in Australia.

That would be an odd way to start the search.

All right.

White pages.

James.

You're not even concerned at this task.

We'll go to hall

squarespace.

Finderjames.com.

Oh, available.

He did.

Go, Daddy, domain unregistered.

This will help.

I'll need this.

He did do me a favor because I was cold and he came to the rescue and I had the hoodie on and I stayed warm the rest of the night.

If he is listening, James, I will actually return this jumper.

What if he's not listening?

Well, if anyone knows a James who is not their job.

This is an an interesting peek inside the mind of Jack it I don't think it's their job to make sure you give the job okay just let's go into Jack's world then for a second let's say it is their job

and someone reaches out and goes I know the James

how are you gonna get to him yeah so send me his details his home address and I will spend my own money to post it back to him because he did me a favor.

I still advise him listening right now.

Or if, you know, FedEx or a DHL is listening, absolutely open, would you, you know, would you collab with someone to get the...

Oh, I would certainly be open to a collab.

Also, I would

also,

I mean, it's just a jumper.

So, you know, it doesn't cost that much.

So we don't have to do all these partnerships with different.

companies just to get it back.

But if Bolter, who is the beer company, were going to give him a freshie, i think the same rule would apply

well there's precepts now isn't there the same rule would apply would it would i'm asking you guys would the same rule how many how many people must you steal a jumper from to make a company then fill the void for the jumper you stole when will it be enough he works at bolter he works at bolter just you know pouring beers behind the bar there not not up in upper metal management or with the merchandising department or anything so it's not like he gets it for free and maybe he did actually he works there doesn't matter if he's got it free this is is the part that is

why are you the the galactic justice giver of if someone gets something for free you must then have it to balance the scales and they can have another thing for free okay didn't you do didn't you get enough free bolters on the day okay i will send it back i yes i did okay i'm just asking because i know you know there's obviously beers in the golf carts and stuff but then afterwards you you know it's not like the day costs nothing you have to go to the bar and buy your own beers afterwards isn't that true i didn't i didn't get to the bar no it was so noisy inside

did you go to the bar and then remember that this is the bit where you have to pay your own money to buy beers

i'm just told you that who told you that and then did you then go hang on a sec i think there's still some beers

outside in the golf cart that i can go down and get

this is i can't believe the eyes and ears on the ground at those kinds of events

i did

Yeah.

I made the mistake last year and I'm so grateful to be invited and thank you.

I'd love to come again next year.

But I remember

there was free beers all day.

Everywhere you looked, there was a free beer.

Then at the end of the day, I went to the bar to get another free beer and they said, oh, this will be $12.

And they'd already poured it, so I had to pay it.

Then as I'm walking into the bar this time, I'm like, well, careful.

You have to pay for these ones.

Whereas there's still,

as far as I can see, back on the course, in the golf carts, there's freebies everywhere.

But this is part of what the venue in offering up the two courses for the day to charity is a chance to give you a lot of people.

And that's what's what the person I was with said.

It's like, oh, but aren't we raising money for charity?

And I remember last year them saying that that was the bar was making money, not the charity.

I know that's

still honourable, but yeah, it's really the days.

Who told you of this?

I wish I could remember who I was with.

Who was it really the days when it was Magic Mike?

No,

he was a cold guy

outside with with him.

He was a freezing cold Boltra employee.

Okay, if it was Magic Mike, God, he's really getting on my nerves.

You know what, Andy?

I don't want this to just get so far away from where we were, but the day is like celebrities.

Like Hamish was there as a celebrity.

And then there's normal people who buy their way in.

And that's how the charity makes money.

People buy their way in.

Magic Mike was there as a celebrity.

Yeah.

He's a

good person.

He was entertaining people all day.

I said,

Magic Mike, good to see you here.

And then I saw him, Mike, with the special kit you get if you're a celebrity.

I was like, wait a second.

Wait a second.

Are you a celebrity?

Are you in that?

No.

Good on you, Mike.

He was personally invited by Mick.

Mick saw him at a different event.

He was like, mate, you've got to come to the golf day.

Don't get me wrong.

He's a great magician, Magic Mike, but he's not a celebrity, he's someone we all know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So do you think you should get Magic Mike's gear?

Are you a biggest?

You've already got one of his jumpers.

Do you want the rest of his clothes?

I mean, they got everything, like right down to the shoes.

The shoes were really cool.

I mean, I just was surprised.

All right.

Good luck with you.

Good luck, James.

I don't hold high hopes for you getting your jumper back.

Home, Katy Perry's in the country.

You went to see Katy Perry.

Sure did.

Begged my seven-year-old to come with me.

Come on, Ruth.

You come with me, darling, and then I'll owe you a favour.

She

also slid across my desk for a song sleuth.

Wow.

Okay.

Yeah.

She didn't split.

I saw her being flown around the arena on wires, but I wasn't sure what she was up to outside of

the concert.

Her music has come to my attention.

she's on the good side though we're not putting her under the microscope we're putting another famous r b slash rapper under the microscope in song sleuth this sounds like this sounds like this sounds like this if this sounds like that i'm your man

andy lee song sleuth

drake

powerful guy yep but i'm not scared you're not scared

team kendrick is going the best year i don't think drake

Song out in 2025 is still getting a bit of a run now.

It's coming to fruition.

It's called Die Trying.

People have been writing in saying it sounds familiar, particularly the way that he's using the acoustic guitar and the rhythm of the song.

Here is the start of Die Trying.

Is that ringing any bells for anyone?

So far, so good.

Yeah, but

they did that well.

I went to the concert, but I still

can't say I knew every song at the concert.

Well, what people are accusing Drake of, including myself, is just because you slow something down a little doesn't make it a different song.

This is what he's up against.

Yeah, if you kept playing, it's last Friday night.

That's Friday.

Because I listened to one to two weeks solid of Katie Perry.

In the lead up?

In the lead-up to the concept.

Yep, because we actually got offered tickets late.

And I said, oh, my God, yeah, I'll definitely take my daughter along.

And we're very, very grateful for the tickets.

And so was she, except Katie wasn't her number one pick favorite artist.

Went to Jewel Lieber.

Loved that.

We wouldn't have had to cram for Dewa, but did have to cram a little bit for Katie.

So I had a, I recently came off, it was a little while ago now, but yeah, came off a 10-day intensive Katie Perry back catalogue course.

Well done.

I normally have to do the cramming for Beck when I take her to any 90s rock band that's coming like Pearl Jam or something.

And she does not enjoy the cram process as much as I do.

Really been.

But that's something that's last Friday night.

Last Friday night.

Well done, Hain.

So let's, that piqued my interest.

So let's have a listen to Drake's attempt at lyrics over that rhythm.

And then, of course, last Friday night goes like this.

Quite the night.

So

the funny thing is, because she's like last Friday night,

I have actually, because I've had to listen to it a lot recently, I know it's not what we're talking about.

A lot of those lyrics make sense for last night, but it was last Friday.

And if that's, if she's singing that on a Tuesday,

who's this person that's still in your bed four days later?

I think she would have preferred to sing last night, but you needed two more syllables.

So

it's an odd thing if you imagine it being sung on any day but a Saturday.

And they probably tossed around last night, last night.

Yeah, that's true.

That was the best you could do in that pattern, couldn't you?

Like, yeah, we heard you the first time.

And it just probably wouldn't have had the same feel.

Now, what back to the song, Sleuth.

What we may have heard there is Drake deciding to take his lyrics down, it slowly descends.

Katie keeps hers repeated on the same line, but we're more concentrating on the rhythm guitar behind and whether that is enough to accuse someone and prosecute.

This is

Drake, Drake's bed, like his rhythm behind it, but Katie's lyrics.

Okay,

there's a stranger in my bed.

There's a pounding in my head.

Glitter all over the room.

Pink flamingos in the pool.

I mean, it works.

It works.

Here's the opposite.

Is this Katie's bed, Drake's lyrics?

Well, I can't decide if I should stay and say I tried.

I should leave and say goodbye.

It's killing me inside.

I mean, Jack, you, this is.

I think it's different.

Yeah, same, same rhythm, but it's different chords even.

Are they different?

Because to me, I was going to say it sounds like that's I was going to say it's different noises, but is that what you're saying?

As a boy that studied music, whereas I just feel it, it's tough for me because I'm obviously as a drummer and my superpower is feeling the music.

I'm feeling the rhythm.

I feel like you're hearing the noises.

The last set, of course, like well, Katie's got four chords and he's got three, but the sounds are wow, you picked up on that.

Let's have a listen to them both fused together and then make a judgment.

There's a stranger in my

Yeah, I think Jack's right.

It's the 4-3 change.

You can't tell in that clear because it jumps between both of them.

No, I'm saying, but

you do get the vibe.

The vibe carries through.

How are we feeling?

Look, honestly, I don't want us to get dragged into the Kendrick Drake beef.

And I feel like if you were to launch a lawsuit at Drake and he does have his own legal stuff going on,

that would just, we've got so much going on.

We've got the tall hat.

We've got the coin that hasn't been.

We've got bird boys we haven't talked about for ages, but is bumping away in the background.

I just think the last thing we need is to be in this beef.

I agree with you.

I don't believe me.

I think there's enough to prosecute.

I think that's where the lawyer in any movie or TV show says, find me the smoking gun.

You don't have it yet.

Although, different to those shows, they then don't go, okay, well, that's the end of the

year.

Yeah, well, we can't find it.

We'll then chuck it out.

Oh,

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