2025 Ep 312 - ⁠Taylor Swift Song Sleuth Allegations

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Ahoy to me, Brevis.

Jack.

Brevis Jack or Brevis Hamish?

Sorry.

Ahoy to me, Brevis.

Is you fancy going first?

Yeah, yeah.

Jack can be the Brevis.

Ahoy to me, Brevis Jack.

Ahoy, Andy.

Is it mispronounced kettle brands?

Yeah, I felt my head went to a breval like a toast maker.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ahoy to me tertius.

Hame.

I don't know.

Are we the names of like gargoyles in mythology?

This feels like the names of the three monsters somewhere.

I'm the longest.

The longest you wish, mate.

Certainly not with that IP.

You've got a superior bladder, mate.

Just understand.

Well, you're not the longest.

I thought Haim would get it because he's more into...

Is it constellations?

It's fibularis muscles.

It's all the muscles that go around the fibula.

Yeah, well,

no one's going to know that unless they're a physio.

Well, physios will be yelling at their

screaming.

You're the longest.

But I just feel, you know, Haim's always going and getting something changed, isn't he?

Like, he's

a appointment, yeah.

I would have had him needled for sure.

Yeah, you had your longest needle being dreamed.

I would have longest the longest needled for sure.

I would have had an electroshock therapy through my fibularis.

100%.

Longest feels like the kind of.

The ones sound like properly named.

Longest feels like they ran out of the middle.

It feels like it is just the longest muscle.

Man, it is.

It is.

I'm surprised one of them's done the mediums.

Ahoy also to Henry Riggs Smith, who went to hamstring.com to tell us what what I need for them.

Ahoy boys, Henry from Sydney here.

Just a quick message for Andy.

I recorded this cover shortly after the original was released.

Hopefully it's still popular by the time this uploads.

Stands aside, the golf sim

takes a dragon, blows smoke ring.

The ciggy's almost gone, he's panicking.

Put in his golf bag a surprise:

a pack of twenty bonus fries.

He strikes a match and sucks to top it in.

Just looking forward to the chorus here.

Give up Andy Lee.

Gotcha.

You don't have to be

such a sig horny weaver.

Please just

set your lungs free.

Good.

Thank you.

I've got to be honest.

I'm betting them.

I think for a second I was like, where is this going?

I do recognise this song and I don't know what song it is, but to weave in

Zig Horny Weaver, the weaver.

Coming in from all angles, IPs, weavers,

beautiful tune.

Yeah, I don't smoke.

Everybody haven't had one today.

Well, someone saw you pushing into a smoke mart at 4.59pm and they, they, their words, not mine at all, described you as sink morning.

No questions to answer there, but um, someone very famous has got a few questions to answer, Ham.

And uh, huge biggest release this week was Taylor Swift with a new album, The Life of a Showgirl.

I've never had so many direct messages and emails come in for people song-sleuthing the album.

So, I've got them for you today.

This sounds like like this sounds like this sounds like this if this sounds like that i'm your man

andy lee song sleuth five tracks are identified

hang on this is a nightmare scenario for swift and her people yep the week of release they even one track being on your radar could sink an artist sink them yeah

and To have five charges brought against her,

this is not the launch party she would have been hoping for.

And she is, I think, we can still call her a friend of the show.

She's a friend of the show.

She hasn't appeared for many years.

Her star has risen significantly since she would come in and play acoustics.

Not like the beautiful piece we just heard, but her own music.

Her own music.

I can't see her coming in to do an acoustic of Ziggleenie Weaver.

No, but she would definitely require that person that stands behind the celebrities going, you remember these two?

And then she and telling her

and then she'd do, yeah, that thing.

They go, oh my gosh good to see you last time we were doing this weren't we even though it was seven years ago and they'd never remember well brief um

uh haim because she is a friend of the show

i've dropped two i've dropped two charges

that's how it should be yeah and that's that is how the criminal justice system was always meant to be yeah um and i think it's just got so caught up in its rules and regs now we just rarely see the friendship charge drop exactly so there's two that i'm also just don't want to go no contest but i'll show you what people were talking about but i again i wouldn't prosecute it i would turn to them and say hey i need something more solid than this this is uh her latest single it's called the fate of ophelia um have a listen

Jack did a little nod along.

I was just vibing with the track.

I mean, it's Taylor Smith.

It's going to be good music.

I was actually thinking, I could play that on piano.

You don't know how to play piano.

No, but it doesn't sound like too many notes.

No, it wasn't too many notes.

But

apparently, it sounds a lot like our good Australian buddies Rufus Do Soul.

Yeah.

Have a listen.

Let's have a listen to Taylor's again.

Yeah.

She's got that interesting bit at the end.

Yeah, she does put something else on to go, I haven't stolen the design for your hat because I've put a flap on it.

That's how the Legionnaire's hat was born

after the baseball bastards came after them.

But is this the one you're dropping or is this one?

You're dropping that.

You're dropping that.

And I think this is why I would drop that one.

You guys know more about this because you've studied the theory of music, where I've only ever studied the feeling of it.

Did you study the theory of music, Jack?

I didn't, no.

Okay.

You would have at school.

Of course.

How did you learn guitar?

I mean, my cousin taught me guitar, but we didn't.

So you did lessons.

I did guitar lessons.

You've been taught music.

So

true or false.

And you've composed music, Jack.

So you've written songs.

You've created original tunes.

I don't write it down in sheet music or anything.

But you know the process of coming up with a song.

True or false once you start with one note

you don't then have infinite choices for the next note like you start down the track of like say you you just write down ding dun dun dun right those four notes

it becomes more and more obvious where you should go from there sounds like two notes by the way well four like dung dun dun dun like three of the same and then you go down yeah but

You're not just going to go to any old note after that.

You're kind of into a pattern.

And I think that's where Rufus and Taylor would have found themselves.

Just to go, well, there's you know, we're really just following the logical choices from here.

So, we can't be

said there are chord progressions, and then you say, Talk about you have to naturally resolve a progression, which means you have to-you know, the words for it.

I'm just talking about the feeling of it.

Okay,

anyway, dropped that one.

Dropped

Taylor Swift has another track on her album called Wood.

This is what it sounds like

Now, ah, okay.

I already know where this is going.

What are you thinking?

Jackson 5, isn't it?

Yep, the Jackson 5.

Jack nodded his head to both.

Now, I don't know if that just because Jack's acting like he's a music producer over there.

Just basically like someone's brought him some demo tracks and he is making the bold call in the music game of going, you know what?

Both Taylor Swift and the Jackson 5 have good tunes to me.

So ballsy position to take.

I do feel like that was more of a copy.

And really?

Without even having all the fun bass line that the Jackson 5 one has, but just that guitar.

The dingling of the guitar.

Jajang of the guitar.

Sorry again.

I don't know the correct terms.

I'm just saying I know the feeling.

I think that one's further away.

Do you want to have one more listening?

This is Taylor again.

I think what happens is your brain is trying to put the bass line in from the Jackson 5 while you listen to that.

Yeah.

That technique of playing the guitar, is that a

what move is that, Jack?

You play

it's really it's just a rhythm.

The rhythm is the same as the other one.

Gotcha.

But is there a special way you hold your fingers to make that noise, or is that no?

No, he's just holding a chord.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you actually pull your fingers slightly off to get that

sound and then you push them back down to get the chord.

Okay.

That's what I was feeling.

So

but like, did Jackson 5 invent that or is that just a move that's available to everyone?

No, everyone can do that.

Yeah, so that again, no, Taylor, I'm streaking that one as well.

So, I'm dropping both of those.

I'm dropping both of those.

And then,

arguably, there is some case there.

So, these ones, these but does heat rise each time because you've dropped one, you've dropped one.

It feels like, you know, when a team doesn't get a free kick for a while, and then they get like a medium-level one.

Yeah, that's true.

If we had a team here, I'd say if you plead guilty to one, we'll drop the other four charges.

This is probably the way you'd go about it.

Can I just say before we get into this, are we in a situation here where we've done all the sounds?

We've run out of sounds.

And it was the title.

There's new, like Sabrina Carvin will bring out a song.

We all go, oh, that's new.

That's great.

I'm just saying, the further we go down this path, the closer to being true my statement is.

We're getting closer and closer to the singularity where all the noises have been made in all the patterns.

This is the title track.

That's why I think it's extra dangerous for her because she's she's drawing attention to it but maybe she's trying to hide she's tell us if there's going to be attention you're not going to hide you're not going to squeeze a track out that everyone forgets to listen to you can hide them and you know track nine can't you jack you can hide the the ones that that's true i've only i've only listened to about half the album yes jack but you're not the target market i'm saying andy when you release an album you and your brother's band you can hide a track she's not

there's probably about three we're happy with um life of a showguard but this is what maybe she's trying to hide in plain sight, yep, or she's trying to get ahead of it.

But this is the song.

That's that one.

This is

the Jonas Brothers.

So she's going after not one, but three.

I think they're her friends.

This is it.

Top to the bottom, just

They've preemptively covered her.

Assholes.

Sorry,

they're not friends.

I think I just realized.

She used to date one of them, didn't she?

Maybe they are friends.

I just remember that when Taylor played in Sydney whenever it was, whenever the year's tour was, the Jonas brothers were playing the next weekend.

That was a real scheduling error.

And

I saw them at a restaurant having lunch the day before their show, and they looked sad.

And I did later hear that they had struggled to sell tickets because, of course, everyone was like, well, we've spent our money.

We went out last.

We had an allocated concert time.

We chose Taylor.

And surely you can't be too angry at us for that.

It was the greatest tour of all time.

Why, oh, why did you book an arena the next weekend after Taylor was in town?

And I think that's why they look so sad.

Well

they've got an extra reason to be sad today.

So obviously we've put this one through the lab.

Marshi has done a max mashup.

You're going to hear Taylor followed by one of the Jonas brothers, the one that sings.

They don't quite go together, do they?

Donkey zebra scenario.

Mostly.

Half a donkey, half a zebra.

You can't.

I think she's done the same thing again where she's changed the end.

She's put the flaginais, the flap on the cap.

Flap on the cat.

Now she's put a flap on the brim.

No one's ever seen this kind of hat before.

It started.

It's very similar.

I think.

Very similar.

I've been guilty, personally.

I mean, is she talking about this?

What do you mean?

Are you worried that you...

I mean, names becoming a new shell, isn't it?

You're worried about slandering.

Are you worried about slander?

Is that what you said?

No, I'm not worried about the slander.

I mean, I'm just shocked that no one around her.

I would have thought Taylor is not surrounded by yes people.

What?

I reckon that she'd be surrounded by yes people.

But I think, why don't I?

I feel like she's better than that.

I feel like she's more down to earth.

She'd be open to the feedback.

But I guess I'm saddened to feel that maybe the people around her didn't have the guts to speak up.

She just didn't know this.

They don't, maybe they don't know.

She's writing all her own music, isn't she?

Oh, no, she collaborates with a lot of people.

Okay.

Okay.

So you reckon one of them have access to suggestions.

Well, that's probably

the first

time.

And I haven't come up with anything.

We got a message from Taylor Swift's management going, she wants to collaborate with Cool Boys and the Front Man.

You're telling me that we wouldn't go...

Yeah.

This is huge for us if we can get a song through.

And we've only ever done covers, so that's all we know.

Can't blame us.

We're a well-known cover band.

I just, I'm beginning to suspect that someone she collaborated with has come in with a back pocket full of sound-alikes and

snuck it past Taylor.

So we're going to let that, we'll let Taylor off this time, is that you say?

Well, I'd like to know who she collaborated with on that one, if there was anything, and I would be pointing the finger at them, a sense of shadow actor, because Taylor, let's not forget, has come up to this point, has been one of the most original artists of her generation.

I don't think we've ever had her on songs there.

Yeah.

So

it doesn't matter how powerful you get, we will put it under the microscope.

But as it turns out, we think everything's fine.

At a cellular level, turns out to be fine.

Did you have more that you were charging or is that the biggest grind?

That was the biggest grunt.

Okay.

Oh, and she walked.

She's friends with Andy.

Hey,

I often look at other people and go, what are they doing in their life that I'm not doing?

Are they getting ahead?

Are they the same as me?

You're in an apartment building at the moment, aren't you?

Yeah, so I just look at the camera.

Yeah, okay.

You're at the window.

This is a man that's got some binoculars and is looking at another apartment building.

Just what are their lives like?

Domestic questions.

Hence,

I wanted to start a segment today, but those ponderings bring it to the group.

Keeping Andy.

Domestic Cues with Andy Lee.

Joined today by his close friends, Hamish Blake and Jack Perst.

Great to be here.

Yes.

First one.

Sorry, domestic cues is in questions.

Yeah.

Yeah, great.

Name we can change.

Well, it's over.

It's over.

It's not coming back.

Did you think he meant the cue's like lighting up?

I think so.

Or cues as in like social cues.

Like someone gives you a cue.

Yeah.

Do you share a bottle with your friend?

If your friend wants a sip of your drink.

Yeah.

If I said, hey, Am, can I have a sip of your Coke?

Would you give me a sip of your Coke?

Yeah, I'll give you a sip of my Coke.

I mean, crazy to think that COVID changed that, but I think we're coming back now to to go.

Yeah, go for it.

Have a sip.

You know what comes to my head?

Meninjococcal.

Was that big when you guys were kids, or was I in a real era?

From a Coke?

Meninjo Cockle, any sharing of drinks, you get Meninjococcle.

What?

No.

We dodged that.

That when I was in primary school, that was, you don't share a drink.

If I said, can I have a sip of your drink?

I would think my first thought would be meninjococcal danger.

Really?

Interesting that, because in that scenario,

you assume Andy has meninjococcal.

So you're not really concerned concerned that he has this deadly brain swelling disease.

So your first thought isn't like, oh no, if that's true, Andy's done for.

Your first thought is protect the host at all costs.

Protect the host.

Well, it's not going to do any better if we both have it.

That's true.

Andy.

You'll win the will.

Andy's going to win 50 grand.

His first thought should be, you little beauty.

Why don't you go down to the train station and have as many sips as you can, Andy?

No, I would be fine with you having a sip of my drink.

Jack, you say you wouldn't give me a sip.

Naturally, I would be hesitant to...

You can have a sip of mine.

I wouldn't have it back the other way.

So once I've sipped, you wouldn't drink it of yours.

What about a straw?

Would you pour some out for Andy?

Yeah,

you can have it pour it out.

What if he bought his own straw, drank, or would you be concerned that some went back down into the drink?

I don't know how ninja cocker works, but sharing drinks was very frowned upon when I was in school.

Really?

What year were you born?

87.

All right, we just missed it.

Wow.

So, hey, you and I would give each other a drink.

Mate, back when we were at school, it was just passed around the class.

If anyone had a Coke, if anyone had like a, you know, said 375 mils of Coke, it was expected that all 30 children in that class would have about 10 mils each.

And you'd yell at the guy, no backwash.

No backwash, because that was the idea that they'd put it in their mouth.

And then somehow, when you don't understand drinking when you're young, you'd put your whole mouth.

You just let the water, all the liquid come back into the can.

Yeah, so you'd ask that.

Where is the level of friendship, Ham, where you wouldn't let someone have a drink?

You letting Carly have a sip?

Yeah, Carly can have a sip if you want.

I mean,

we are all grown-ups here.

It's funny.

This feels very schoolyard.

It does feel schoolyard.

Like for someone going, hey, can I have a sip of your drink?

They're not thirsty.

They just want the flavor.

And that's what primary school was about.

You were like, can I have a sip of your fan?

Well, there's a bubbler over there.

This isn't a thirst issue.

I need the taste.

Generally, when you're hanging out with adults, and I'd say most of our friends are in their 30s and 40s,

should we wish to, we can all get ourselves a coke.

Well, here's the scenario that made me think of this.

Halftime at hockey, I hadn't bought myself a drink bottle.

Okay.

We had to decide.

Well, that's a first-base thing.

My closest mate in the team, Beza,

goes, hey, mate, have a drink of mine.

I drink from it.

If one of the players I am not that friendly with had asked me to have a sip, I think I would have felt a bit weirder about it.

That's a new thing because that's someone making you drink their drink.

No, he's like, I was thirsty.

But still share, like, either way, you're sharing it with someone you do or you don't know.

Like, if a stranger came up to you on the street and you were drinking a drink, would you share it with them?

Well, our mate Whipper, right?

He's often, he's hungry and thirsty lots.

He's just well known that if, you know, like if he's at our place for a barbecue, I've been known to hide the prosciutto before it's time for everyone to have a turn of having some of the prosciutto.

So he'll often go, can I have a sip?

He'll ask for a sip, but he's got quite an advance move where he pours it from a great height

into his gullet and he'll never touch.

I've always been impressed with the way he does.

I've never seen anyone do that.

And I think maybe he's just learnt.

Because I'm someone that likes to have lots of sips of people's drinks, I'll show them I'm a responsible sipper and hopefully the word will spread and people will share more drinks with me.

I just found it confusing in my mind that the closer the friend, I'm happy for them to drink out of it yeah that makes sense i drink i mean i i just consume gallons of the kids this bit probably i'm i'm i'm just a secondary inhaler of all their food and drinks there would be a line in my friendship group i would not do it to other children yet that it continues along and it kind of gets into a vague acquaintance area and that's the cutoff i don't really want you having a sip do you know what you just discovered ando who to invite to your wedding or not

I think you actually just discovered the algorithm, didn't you?

I know you're putting together the list and you're ummming and ahing, and it's not going to be many people.

Yeah, Jack's on an absolute knife edge,

and you probably

that's a good point.

Yeah, I think you'd share your drink with me if I was a drink sharer.

Oh,

I'm gonna

get stuck with it at your cockle.

Now I can't get enough of your drink,

Pam, they keep coming in.

So we should make all the other extreme empaths feel good about themselves and know that they're a safe place on this show.

Let's jump into it.

Say what happened, of course.

Every single song in the world.

All the noises in the world.

No one's left out.

Do you want me to go first?

Yeah, you go for it.

This is from Rose.

She goes, Extreme Empath, guys.

I recently moved our lounge room around so that the room had a more open vibe.

Cool.

Because the couch has moved, the TV now faces a different direction.

I worry that the pictures on the wall of my great-grandparents are sad because they can no longer see the TV from their vantage point.

Yes.

It's like they can hear it, but they won't be able to see subtitles, which will be disappointing for them.

Sure, it was probably scaring them a bit, being a technology that maybe was invented after their death.

Yes.

So, yeah, that's

that might be making them feel better, that they are now not as freaked out by it.

Absolutely.

Nothing more than feeling descriptive.

We've got a kind of a reverse one here ando this is from ed from the netherlands uh he says right before a big deadline the other week my computer keyboard decided to give up on me leaving me unable to finish the work in time i have since replaced it with a new keyboard but i keep the old one on my desk so it has to watch reflect and think about the chaos it caused

a bit of a reverse one yeah it's the only way it'll learn

you don't do that often in real life, do you?

Where you get replaced, but then you have to stay at the workplace and see how much better the new guy is at the job.

This is why we got rid of you.

I would love that, actually.

There's certain people we've worked with over time where when they've been replaced, I've gone, gee, this person can actually do the job.

It'd be nice for them to wander back in and go, hey,

have a look.

Or my heights getting jacked back.

Like, see these toys?

Look at how they just give all the changeover to the customer and

keep none for themselves.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

This is from Alex Extreme Empath.

I pump my boobs for breastfeeding and one boob is definitely way more productive than the other.

On my tracking app though, I consistently submit the quantity as 50-50 slip.

It's all coming from the same tank.

Across the left and the right, I certainly don't want to embarrass the other boob or make it feel bad that it's not producing as much.

Yeah, you don't want it to give up overnight.

Just feel like, well, if you're always playing favorites, then what's the point of it being here?

Wake up and it's not there.

You know what?

I'm out.

I'm out of here.

You love Lefty so much.

You feed the whole baby from Lefty.

Ando,

this comes in from Elliot.

He's in the UK.

Now, you might need a bit of special information here, but I'm happy to provide it.

Because I'm an extreme empath.

I always have been, always will be.

Weirdly, I have very little empathy for humans, which might be the case for extreme empaths.

Maybe they're using it all on inanimate objects.

I often find myself thinking about this one and it makes me sad.

Mega blocks, which for those that don't know, they're kind of imitation Lego.

Okay.

Similar, but they're not official Lego.

And I can go into the reasons why they're deeply inferior.

I'm also contractually, I'm not ever, I'm not allowed to ever hold them, be photographed with them or certainly not promote them in any way.

Yes.

It makes me sad that they're never going to be as popular as Lego.

Well, I can tell you why, Elliot, again,

it's the chemical makeup.

They don't have the the great clutch power and they are inferior.

Whenever a kid opens Mega Blocks as a present, they're always a little bit disappointed that it's not Lego.

It's not the Mega Blocks' fault.

They just want to be loved and played with.

Well, you didn't know what you can, Elliot.

It is the Mega Block's fault.

I might have editorialized this one too much.

Nothing more than Jesus.

Like it.

This is from Saatchi.

I've always known that I'm an extreme empath, but last night was a severe case.

I was making dinner and decided to turn on the heater in the lounge room so I could read a book afterwards.

Anyway, fast forward an hour and I was locking the house before going to bed and I stumbled across the warm room I'd forgotten about.

With guilt, I turned off the heater and made my way to bed.

After five minutes of lying there, I couldn't bear to think the heater had heated up the room and went to all that effort to warm it for me.

So I got out of bed and went to the lounge room and read until the room became cold again.

Nothing more happy.

I mean, there's also a cost factor there to that.

You'd be like, look, I've paid for this heat.

Yes.

I might as well absorb some of it into my skin.

I dad that all the time.

I've ordered food and I'm like, I've ordered way too much, but I've paid for it now.

I have to glutton.

Be a glutton.

Something has to be eaten here.

Speaking of eating, this is a whopper, but...

I think it needs to all be read.

Tim, who's in France, he said, my girlfriend and I, we work on on a river barge in the Burgundy region of France.

We take mostly American tourists up and down the canals of the area where they eat and drink fancy French food and wine.

While working on the boat, we eat about 90% of the same food as the guests and drink whatever wine happens to not be drunk by the guests.

So I don't know if they're eating it off the plate,

but I think it's just sort of same kitchen.

Our guests being mostly American, they're very well off.

They're not concerned about getting fairly for money and out of every last pipe and glass.

And they almost always have leftover food on their plate.

And the cruise throws it into the river, throws the food into the river to feed the, he points out here, the pescafauna.

So feed the fish.

So it's good for the fish to throw the food into the river.

At the conclusion of the main meal, but before the dessert of each lunch, we always serve a local cheese to round out the culinary experience.

That is the French custom.

You always finish with a cheese dish.

It must be very nice.

There's often cheese left over that makes its way into the fridge of the crew and it's not thrown out overboard because cheese obviously lasts a lot longer and it's too good.

It's too tempting tempting for the crew to throw it overboard and they just keep it.

Now, admittedly, he says, well, the fish eat very well from the leftovers we throw to them.

I often picture them being French fish sitting disappointed at the bottom of the canal when the meal is not followed by a cheese course, as is the traditional French way.

So each meal, after we throw over the leftover food, I secretly go and cut off a piece of cheese, breaking it into several small pieces and then furtively tossing the cheese into the river after all the leftovers have been tossed tossed in, so the fish can finish their meal in the customary fashion.

Now, that's not empathy for an inanimate object, though.

That is a deep level of feeling for a fish who must be fed degastations.

Like, I assume these fish are eating pretty happy eating a worm.

But when Tim and his girlfriend are cruising, they will get the full course.

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I want to introduce you to something that's going on at my house that I might happen at yours, but I'm sure it happens at some houses.

Nub hunting.

What's a nub?

Let me explain.

In our house, I would say we have a medium to high consumption of bread.

We've got school lunches, we've got toast, we've got a pretty, probably a pretty regular flow of bread.

Are you just going one-to-white, by the way?

You're just going plain white?

Because my kids are.

Yeah, or like loaf, like kids' bread.

We have kids' bread and we have grown-ups.

And so the kids' bread is just, you know, that's your supermarket loaf, and that's what's getting pumped out for school lunches and kids' toast.

Once a week, this is a little bit of a self-reporting, must be nice.

We get a loaf.

Sometimes it's a sourdough loaf, sometimes it's a miche, if you're familiar with that.

Never really.

And most of the mishap here is just a nice cut of bread.

It's like a cob loaf that's not sliced.

That's just a fresh baked bread.

That's how you know it's good.

That's how you know it's good.

And that's once a week.

And that's was for mum and dad.

Was for mum and dad and the kids, but very clear delineation you guys are having the square stuff yes that's a mum and dad loaf

when it's fresh and you cut the nub off the end yes and then you eat it just with butter that could be my favorite part of the week exclusive excluding podcasting but that this is also a fun day of the week the nub is the best it fills me with people don't like the nub no no no well you're not you don't understand the loaf that you're this is a fresh sourdough loaf

you wouldn't run after the end of a

white bread that you're getting from a supermarket.

No, that's duck food.

Yes, no.

This, yeah, I'm talking about the nub of a well-baked loaf, a cob.

Let's just call it sourdough for a break.

I like the nub, but I'm just saying.

I don't know if you do to even imagine that no one would like.

A lot of people don't like the end crust, too crusty.

Beck doesn't like a nub, for instance.

Well, then be braver.

Have more powerful teeth because the nub, the loaf we're buying, it's like a almost a caramel-y, chewy okay crust yeah it's phenomenal and you put it with a lot of butter and you just have a little moment by yourself in the kitchen and you just go what a day i'm nubbing it i'm having a great day i'm nubbing it i'm nubbing life

the thing is

there's two nubs on a loaf yeah

and if you have so much fun eating one nub yeah Imagine

the fun is right there to have the other nub.

This is probably verging into upset Andy territory.

After I've finished consuming the the nub i will look down the other end of the loaf and go well

do we go again yeah we enjoyed it so much the first time do we keep this party going and once you've tasted once you've got like nub coursing through your veins yes it's very hard to stop so i will then cut the other nub off and i'll have a little nub party for dad zoe does not appreciate this because now the bread is going stale from two ends yes and i've been told you got to stop double nubbing

We only buy one of these a week and now the air is getting in from both ends.

And the, the, like the bench life of the sourdough is like three days, maybe four days.

The problem is, if you wait until you've eaten all the bread and then the nub is your prize, it's not fluffy.

No.

And it's not.

Yeah, it's a stale nub.

it's a no it doesn't might not be a stale nub but there's nothing like the taste of first day bread yeah The problem is,

Sonny, my 11-year-old, he is aware of the nub.

I shouldn't have let him see how much pleasure it was giving me, but he's seen how delicious a nub is.

Now he's nub hunting.

Yeah, right.

And things are getting a little out of hand at home.

It's a bit, this happens in nature.

The young bull takes a shot at the old dog.

Absolutely.

His horns are growing, and we are locking horns over

a lot of different animals in this analogy, but let's just settle with deers or in parlors and we're butting heads over who has nub rights.

I got a lot of arguments on my side of the fence.

We already have bread for you.

You have the square bread.

This is the grown-up's bread.

I don't think you, Jaw can handle it.

I paid for it, but he's sneaking in.

He's sneaking in and he's he's getting the nubs.

And then the other day, he got two nubs.

He won.

I said, he double nubbed before I could even get to the loaf.

And that,

that's like crushing the family car.

You know, it was just, I was so shocked.

I was like, what?

What have you done?

What have you?

This is not the boy I raised.

You haven't stolen both nubs yet.

It is exactly me.

It's exactly.

And that's often the stuff that affects us the most because it's exactly our personality.

So I said, mate, this is, he goes, I'm loving it.

Dad, I love the nub.

I may not get it.

I love the nub, but it's a very big deal for me.

I love the nub.

I think you just like the nub.

Then this is the kicker.

So we've tried to have a bit of a nub truce.

Okay, we'll go one for one.

And I was like, Tony, you know, we both know it has to happen on the fresh day.

It's like 300% better on the fresh day.

The other day I walk in, and again, if you can imagine, it's like a football shaped loaf, right?

Like obviously like an oval flat football.

He, very smart boy, very proud of him for this, but angry at him at the same time, has figured out there's two nubs.

Oh, top nub.

There's actually four nubs if you go on the side.

So he's cut the sides off as well.

And I'll be like, and I hold the bread.

I'm going to go, what is this?

And he goes, did you know there's four?

There is four nubs.

There are nubs

cabby, but

it's

there are the edges of the bread.

The maximum kind of crust to bread dispersion.

Well, that would be.

And Zoe wouldn't have taken that.

Oh, Zoe's furious as well.

Like, we're actually on a two, we're currently.

currently serving a two-week suspension

because of the lack of respect we've shown to the bread.

So both Sonny and I are biding our time until the next loaf makes it in the house.

And it's just, it is going to be a nub fest.

I don't, I wouldn't put it past him to shave the top off, you're right, Ando, to almost just peel the whole bread of crust like an orange.

Eat the whole thing at once.

Heym.

This email fell on my side of the fence.

HamishNee.com, if you ever want to get in touch with us about anything,

comes from Mark.

He wants to nominate his friend Sam for a gusto check.

This Sam is a pretty

well, he has a significant role in the history of gusto, does he not, Ando?

Exactly.

Mark says Sam, his friend, was the caller who first said and gusto to you during an upset Andy.

Have a listen back to this.

Sam has got something to upset you.

Ahoy.

Sam.

Ahoy, boys.

Gusto to you.

Gusto to you.

Gusto to you.

yes that's great i don't know if we've done that before but it feels very hand it's like a fun version of handmaid style isn't it

under his eye and gusto to you

so it made sense that we should circle back complete the circle and go okay if he's the one that's throwing a gusto to you hopefully in his workplace he's bringing the gusto yeah how's his gusto hey a tough assignment for you because we're in he's he works at a place called iterate tech recruiting

your jobs to call them i'll give you some details here mark suggesting that you pretend to be a candidate for as about a software developer role okay we've got to try and i think you want to you don't want to get so i'm someone in software development so i'm just going to do a little google here to get some key terms because yes and i don't feel like i would don't get in the weeds about the role mate i reckon just try and do no i'm going to try and get him to talk i've got to try and ask him some questions yes but what i'm saying is much harder assignment than calling a cafe.

Oh, yeah.

So, what's your specials today?

What would you recommend?

That's the usual gusto check.

So, to get gusto from someone in tech recruiting,

it's not impossible.

I'm just saying the bar is a little higher.

Have you?

Yep, I think I've got a page.

Yep, I've got a web page here that says the things that one might need for

software development.

Good luck.

Jack, you got the number.

Hello, Sam, speaking.

Okay, Sam, my name's Gorin Badard.

I got your number from Michael.

I bumped into him at a cafe.

Yeah.

Is this Sam from Iterate?

Yes, correct.

Yes, sorry.

I'm

actually, I've just moved down from Sydney.

I'm looking for a

well, looking for a position, ideally software development, but something in the field.

And I heard you guys were the people to talk to.

Yeah, definitely.

Definitely the person to speak to.

What did you say your name was?

Sorry?

Goron.

G-O-R-O-N.

G-O-R-N.

G-O-O-N, cool.

R-O-N.

G-O-R-O-N.

Okay, cool.

And what kind of software developer are you, Goron?

What do you do?

I have a master's in machine learning from UTS.

But

I'd love to get something

maybe in Agile or Scrum.

Yes.

What's your coding language of choice?

Well, I probably do most of it, you know, Java, C ⁇ .

I can code in a lot of different things.

I suppose my question for you is,

how many jobs do you guys have on the books?

How is that?

I mean, this was almost impossible.

There's only so much I can do just scrolling up and down Google.

Damn it.

I thought it away.

I thought it early and I was like, I can't, if it is a candidate, I can't just be like.

You called it pretty early.

I mean, I don't think I said anything.

I didn't go.

What's in coding language?

I didn't go like German.

Gusto to you all.

Gusto to you all.

He knows.

He's too good.

He knows.

We were just.

Yeah, Gusto was very high.

I will give you that.

Even when you thought you were talking to Gorin.

And as you did give us the term and gusto to you, we thought it was only fair to give you a gusto check yourself.

I would say all these years later.

Now,

well, we can only measure it on the initial bits where you weren't suspicious of Hain.

I thought the hello was definitely up vibe.

Jack, yeah, no, hi, gusto.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I gave that a 8 and 8 and a half.

It's hard to get a full 10.

I'm not even scoring because I was actually meant to be fully encouraged, but I couldn't help but notice when I said, are you the right people to come to?

The level of gusto and and oh we're definitely the right people to come to yeah that was super high as well yeah and then the questions after that um well

we're pretty full on to be honest well i i didn't appreciate it because that was where i really felt like you were grilling me um

but i but again they were said in a nice manner i i feel like we can't he's doing the right thing by his company i don't think we can mark him down on how he certainly turned the hot lamp on you and what should i have said yeah i know I know this isn't the point of it, but what should I have said when you said what language you programmed in?

You convinced me.

To be honest, I wouldn't ask that question.

That was just a barb to be like, I feel like someone's stopping with me here.

When you said all of them, I,

yeah, that was a pretty big trigger.

Could have lost yourself.

Could have lost yourself a huge recruitment fish there, man.

Imagine having someone that could do all of them.

Sam, I think we can't properly

check on the gusto today.

So the test itself is null and void, but we do appreciate you being a podcast.

I mean, Sam, how ready were you for this?

I mean, it's been years.

Were you expecting this?

No, not at all.

But I do listen to the podcast a lot.

So that voice, you probably need to put some sort of voice modifier on it because I was like, I've heard this before.

Yeah, yeah, just the star.

G'day, mate.

Just want to get a bloody jelly programming.

Now, that, that's what I'll go with next time.

Next time.

Sam Jake, thanks, mate.

Cheers.

Cheers, mate.

Gusto to you.

Thanks for listening.

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