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we'll find the answer to the question how did this get made hello people of earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made?

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It is Halloween week.

This is our Halloween episode.

A movie that you picked for us.

We came to you, we asked you what is their best Halloween movie.

Everyone decidedly picked Sleepaway Camp, and we have a very special guest today with us.

Please welcome Zach Perlman.

Hey.

Hey.

Zach, you can see Zach on his MTV MTV show, The Inbetweeners, airs on Thursday nights.

Monday nights.

Monday nights.

Monday night.

The Thursday of the early week.

Exactly.

Should we play on Thursday nights?

All right.

I never heard of Sleepwake.

Same.

Never heard of it.

Yeah,

I never knew it existed.

And man, now I am so happy that I know.

Is crazy.

This is one of the most bizarre movies.

It kind of feels like the room at the top.

Like you're kind of like, oh, this is bad acting.

It's not really well shot.

But this, just so you know, was a real deal film.

It was?

Yes, it was released.

I just want to just say.

I mean, I get that it's a real movie, but I mean, like, to me, I took it to be a real amateur production.

Well, I will say this: that when it opened up, it was number one.

It grossed a total of $433,000 on the opening weekend, and

it knocked out Amityville Horror and 3D.

Really?

Yeah, so it made like $11 million at the end of the day for a movie that only cost $350,000 to make.

Okay, because that is shocking to me because this movie is horrible.

I mean, it is.

That's why I thought.

I was like, oh, this is like a low-budget movie that no one should ever see.

Like, you know, like Jack Frost, he's killing and chilling.

No, no, this is like a real movie.

It feels like the camp itself had a class called Let's Make a Movie.

Yes.

And this movie is the result of.

Yes, it's the final project.

It feels to me not, it doesn't feel like a low-budget horror movie.

You know what I mean?

Like in the sense of like, oh, you know, like shitty horror movies that studios like barf out to capitalize on the fact that people, it feels like somebody who's like, well, my dad owns a summer camp.

We could probably shoot a movie there.

We'll get some cameras.

We'll get a bunch of short shorts and we'll get everybody we know who has terrible Long Island accents.

Crop t-shirts.

Crop t-shirts and short shorts.

Because we can't afford longer shorts or full t-shirts.

There's so many outlines of penises in

holy shit.

they're not even shorts they're just like penis holders yeah i mean that's all they are they're cock baskets the movie that between between

just oh the overt pedophilia that the overt pedophilia the over

the over sexualization of the under 12 set and the short shorts i was like this movie is insanity although i will say that this camp is comprised of 11 year old campers and 35 year old campers

like there is literally a 10 10-minute-long baseball scene where it looks like eight-year-olds playing 30-year-olds.

And the 30-year-olds are so mad at these eight-year-olds.

Everyone is mad in the film.

At all times, everyone is mad.

And

while watching that baseball scene, they were talking shit, like hard trash talking, and then pitching underhand.

Yeah, really under.

It was so.

It was just like, and here you go, like lobbing the ball.

And

the 11-year-olds, rather, are killing.

They are crushing.

They're always getting the best of the older kids who are, you know, I'm assuming meant to be like 15, 16-year-olds, but are played by 30-year-olds.

But that's a weird, that was a weird runner in the movie because it doesn't ever pay off.

Or did I miss it?

No, the baseball game is just a baseball game.

What's the point of that baseball game?

Oh, I think it's just to show us

the competitiveness between the older kids and the younger kids and how the older kids are bullies, basically.

To me, the way I thought of it was the movie ran 75 minutes.

I'm like, we need to add a 10-minute long baseball scene just to get this to a theatrical length.

Because, I mean, the baseball game, like, there literally is a scene where someone hits a baseball and there's a kid in the outfield, and he's playing a video game, like a handheld boxing video game.

Oh, you mean Mozart?

Wow, you know the kid's name.

By the way, because

I did not remember that.

Why was he called Mozart?

Because we never saw him with anything else.

Because he's a nerd.

And he's just a nerd.

Someone from Long Island's like, what's a nerd?

Mozart writes music is a nerd.

So basically, the ball is coming at mozart who's on his uh his video game his portable video game device and then he's like oh no

drops the video game and then catches the ball yeah with no like it was a lot of tension for no reason and you would think you would continue to think that the the younger kids are perceived of as nerds and lame-mos you know um but they are always hitting home runs catching all the balls like they are winning all the time but there's also no tension in this baseball game i don't know when it's going to end what's at stake it didn't seem like there's no score score.

There was no score.

No, no.

At one point, they were like, what's the score?

And then one kid goes, I think it's 6'8.

And I was like, what?

You think it is?

It's not the best way to do it.

All right, so let's just go back to the beginning.

The movie opens up with one of the best scenes.

I would say that.

Wait, is it the thing to mom?

Because that

section.

The cold open.

The boating scene.

Oh, God.

The title at the beginning, which was

In Fond Memory of Mom, a Doer.

Yes.

Oh,

I forgot about that.

The movie is dedicated to a mom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's not like a mom, like loving woman who

helped me through childhood.

It's a doer.

A doer.

Wait a second.

I thought that that was just a title card that the person who put this movie on YouTube put up there.

No, I think that that's.

That's a part of the movie?

I'm assuming it's part of the movie.

Yeah, me too.

Oh, although your version of it is also fascinating.

Yeah, I love that.

Because for somebody,

now I want to examine that.

Because somebody's like, ooh, I got to upload this bonkers next level of crazy horror movie to YouTube.

But I got to do it as a tribute to my mom.

Yeah, this is my mom.

She did stuff.

You know what?

The person who put up these movies, it's called Sleepaway Camp TV.

So I don't think it's a person dedicating things to their mom.

I think it is the way the movie opens.

I think the person who made this movie,

which is even more sick and twisted, is a love letter to his or her mom.

Do you think the mom was based off of his mom?

God.

Because she's

actually

straight up crazo.

By the way, that's an amazing performance.

Do we have this?

Yes, we do have the creepy mom.

We're going to play a clip of the mom in this movie.

Here we go.

Richard Angela.

Oh,

here you are.

Look what I did.

I packed you and your cousin some goodies for the ride up to camp.

Wasn't that nice of me?

Hmm?

Any Any chips?

Why, of course.

I believe there's a whole bag.

Well, I'm almost sure of it.

So, Angela, isn't there anything special my little girl would care for?

So, basically,

you see the acting in this is not even like bad community theater, it's like bad high school production.

Yeah, no, but from an adult, no, you're not.

Was she making a choice?

She was making a choice, and a fine one at that.

I thought she's talking as if there are no one there because she's the character is insane.

That's that is true.

The character has gone insane because in the cold open, which you started to talk about.

In the cold open, we see a father and two children on a little like sailboat in the middle of the lake.

Having a great day.

Across, across, just across from the sleepaway camp.

Yeah.

And they're like, oh, they're having so much fun.

And then it cuts to

two campers, a man, a counselor boy, and a young girl in a speedboat.

Yes.

With a water skier.

With a water skier.

The water skier gives one of the best performances of the movie.

It's amazing.

The water skier gives an unfathomably good performance in this cold open.

Okay.

So basically what happens is the sailboat flips over.

The kids and the dad are in the water and they've got to swim to shore.

Well, the sailboat flips over.

One of the kids throws the dad out of the sailboat.

And then the dad calls them schemers.

Yes,

you schemers.

Schemers.

But it's still all in good.

By the way, the dad is on the edge of a very small boat, no longer than like five feet.

And the kids are able to sneak up behind him without him noticing and then just lightly tap him into the water.

I mean, it's the most, it's the worst.

like scheme ever because he does like a chevy chase fall yeah

they are a real couple of schemers so so then the schemers and the dad are in the water together.

The boat flips over.

I don't know why.

Yeah, that's so.

I don't know why.

Then there's another man

on the dock.

Oh, that guy is the best.

That is just foreshadowing.

Yes.

Okay, who says,

this is where I had some questions.

He says the doc is on the way.

Yeah.

The doc is on the way.

The doctor.

The doc.

The doctor.

As we established later, the mother is a doctor through the wonderful line of, even though everyone knows I'm a doctor.

Because the mother is giving the the kids to get that in violence.

Your own physical.

Oh, my God.

Okay, then what happens is this.

Oh, I just put that together.

Yes.

That the doctor is the mother.

Yes.

The mom,

the mother gives the kids.

Now I get it now.

Okay.

And he's basically warning the dad because of what we learn later.

He's warning it, saying, your wife is coming back.

Yes.

Got it.

Now.

Oh, you guys.

So that was his wife?

That was his wife?

No.

Yes.

That was the man on the beach's wife.

Yeah, yeah.

That was the man on the beach's wife.

Those two as...

I mean, like...

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I don't want to give it.

No, no, no, no.

The man on the boat is their dad.

Right.

That is their wife.

The man on shore, spoiler alert, is the dad's lover.

No, no.

It is the man.

Dad's lover.

No, because that's her cousin.

The kids...

All right.

Okay, okay.

Okay, let's just break this down.

Okay, because I'm not going to be able to do it.

Without spoiling the answer,

we're dancing around.

We got to walk to the end.

By the way, this is my understanding

yeah this is my understanding of the movie okay yes

father and son and daughter are in the sailboat yes father's lover a man is on the shore yes he's saying hurry back to shore your wife is coming the doctor yes your wife is coming so he's like oh we got to go in okay that's where you that's where it's wrong this is where i oh and that's where you're wrong that's where you're wrong

right there is where you're wrong because

uh the the mother that we met the creepy mom that's angela's cousin Nope.

Aunt.

Nope.

And it's Angela's.

I thought Angela's mother.

I thought Ricky.

Ricky is her cousin.

Ricky is her cousin.

That's what I'm saying.

So Ricky is her cousin.

So that's her aunt.

No, no, no, okay, guys.

Guys, that's the misdirect.

You're missing the misdirect.

That's the misdirect.

Okay, can we talk about the ending?

Okay, well,

I guess we have.

I gotta say, wait a second, wait a second.

Wait a second.

This is good.

Look at what it is.

Angela

is the daughter

of the crazy woman.

No, no, no, no.

Ricky

is the son of the crazy woman.

And then the gay lover is that woman's husband.

Wait, say that again.

Say it again.

He's garnered.

He's garner.

He's gone.

I cannot deal with this.

But wait, no, because

Ricky and Angela.

Why does she make

it?

Okay, here's the reason.

She's getting them to live with them.

Because

she already has Ricky, that's why she's Angela.

Right.

Does that make sense?

Say that again, Zach.

Yes, no, I'm with this.

I'm with that.

Okay, so

this is the setup.

We have the father and two children on the budget.

Can we just reveal the ending?

Because I'm getting confused.

Yes, all right, all right.

Well, basically, all right,

all right,

it's so good, and we're pulling it.

We're all right.

Okay, well, you know what, I mean, oh.

I do, can you, okay, fine.

Without explaining the ending.

Without explaining the ending,

come back to the future.

I can give you a pretty good.

Okay, so we open on

two children and their father.

Yes.

And

without everything else that happens, his gay lover is on the

shore.

Yeah.

And his wife is coming.

His gay lover's wife.

The gay lover's wife.

The man who's on the shore.

Okay.

His wife is coming to meet them with

their child.

I'm going to say this.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Where is the dad's wife?

It doesn't matter.

Oh, come on.

Wait, wait, wait.

Wait, wait, wait.

And the surviving child would go to the mother.

Dead.

They're divorced.

She's dead.

She's dead.

No, they would explain that.

They're going to such lengths to explain her mom.

It's not her mom.

It's definitely not her mom.

She's introduced to her.

Unless your theory is this, which I'm going to posit, because it is possible.

Okay, here's a possible theory, which is the mother was originally totally normal.

Because of the, if this is their mother, okay, if this is Angela's mother, the doctor, their mother was completely normal until this horrible, horrific accident happened, and it was her husband and one of her kids was killed.

Correct.

However, the problem with that theory is that we see a scene later on with the end of the movie where one of her children is introduced to her.

So she must be so bonkers.

Okay, this, this, okay, this is the,

oh my god, guys, so my understanding of the movie is framed like this.

Oh, my God.

Because of the ex, okay, fuck it.

If you have not watched this movie, you need you to stop listening right now.

Yeah, watch it.

It comes up.

Because we're now going to talk about the ending, right?

Just watch it.

We have to watch this ending.

I mean,

we have not even talked about any of the movie yet.

I have to table this discussion.

Table this discussion.

Table this discussion.

Because my understanding of the movie basically is that the mother has like a psychological breakdown, and with her surviving child, makes a decision that

provides the insanity that leads to the rest of the movie.

And that the little boy is normal visitor.

He is the cousin that is taking her to camp.

No, because he calls her.

He's

the normal visitor.

Ricky calls him and goes, ah, that's my mom.

Yeah, and

he does, doesn't he?

And also, that explanation is if they had a script writer.

Yes.

That's like if it was a good movie.

Although they're

not,

you're saying that Angela goes to, just happens to go to live with an insane person?

Yes.

It's because she's the only living relative.

The only living relative.

Oh, that's not.

But she's not her relative, you guys.

She's not her relative.

You guys, this is crazy.

But you're acting like you haven't seen the movie.

No, no, no.

But there is such an easier explanation.

It's such an easier explanation that the insanity that happens to Angela is because of the accident.

I agree with that.

The accident is insane, and then you're telling me she also then happens to go to live with a next-level insane person?

All right, I think what I'm hearing is this.

She would have had to go insane not just because her husband and child died, but also because she found out there that

the guy that her husband was sleeping with on the land was so emotionally distraught that his lover died that she then also found out that her husband was guilty.

Here we go.

It's revealed that Angela survived and is now living with her eccentric and aunt, Dr.

Martha Thomas and cousin Ricky Thomas.

Right.

All right.

So there we go.

I didn't even know they had last names.

We have to get into this movie because we can break in.

There's so many things before this amazing ending.

Austin.

Wait, you guys, I just thought of something else, though.

Wait.

Oh, brother.

Okay, so the guy on the land and the guy in the boat are lovers, but they might also have been brothers.

No.

No, no, no, no, no.

Well, there is tons of weird issues.

Brothers-in-law stuff in this movie.

Brothers-in-law.

How do you know that, though?

Because it's the...

Ugh.

Wait, no, but the lover isn't killed.

Like, the lover,

the man on the shore is alive.

but he wouldn't get that so we never see him again so he would be married to the crazy mother in theory yes yes yes you know but we never see him again so the presumption is my presumption is that he's just a male like a male lover for the father he is unrelated to he's not married to the the

doctor i don't think so that would be we don't know all the relationships but there's so much good stuff to break into

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All right, so the movie opens with a

boating accident.

Back, remember when we started talking about this?

We're still 10 minutes ago.

There's a water skiing, and there's a water skiing coming up.

There's no more difficult movie in our history to try and unravel.

Well, I think I applaud us for staying away from the ending just for this moment.

Because I feel like if you are not going to watch this movie, which you definitely should.

Got to watch it.

I feel like we should walk you into the ending.

So there is a water skiing thing going on.

The kids are in the water with the dad.

The water skiers decapitate the father.

And the son, I guess,

a child.

A child and the father are killed.

And leaving one child alive.

Yes.

And then

that's the cold open of the movie.

A senseless decapitation via jet ski or water ski.

Wait, do you see a headless body?

No, you actually don't.

You just see the body float by.

The dad's body and then the child's life preserver.

By the way,

this movie employs one of the best things I've ever seen, which is the reaction shot, the screaming reaction shot.

It goes like, cut to someone screaming, cut to a dead body, cut to someone screaming, dead body.

And every dead body

screamer is the water skier.

Did you pull that by chance?

No, because it just is somebody screaming.

Here's the thing.

Her scream, now it's really the person on the boat's fault who, you know, there's a camper who's on the boat.

I'm sorry, we're still talking about the first two minutes of the movie, but

literally the first two minutes of the movie.

It is so good, though.

But the camper,

she wants to take the wheel from the counselor, so she takes control, and she's

for whatever reason, looking back at the water skier.

Both of them are apparently.

Because the water skier is the only person who sees that they're headed towards a boat.

Right, but the water skier's reaction in the water once she realizes horrible, horrific death has occurred, is like she's done it.

I mean, she's taking full responsibility.

Somebody help them!

Somebody help those people!

And then they cut to the two kids in the boat who are arguably responsible.

Yeah.

And they are just stone-faced, like, sitting there, like, what happened?

Yeah, we don't know.

We just ran over a human being and a boat.

Jumped our boat over their boat.

Not surprised.

Probably the water skier killed them.

No.

No, of course not.

But she's the only person.

She

dropped off.

Yeah, the water skier's like, you're going to run into that person.

And they're like, oh, shut up.

They're going, what's she saying?

And she's screaming.

There's a boat.

And they're saying, what's she saying?

And then it cuts to the gay lover and he goes, Tommy!

This whole movie is about bad reflexes, too.

No one can swim fast enough.

Everyone is, it's like speed two.

Like something is coming at them like, oh, I'm gonna stay frozen.

The boat is coming.

That guy could have survived.

He could have swum to the left or the right.

All right, so that's right.

We meet the creepy mom.

These kids go to sleep away camp.

We get to camp.

It's full of pedophiles, angry camp counselors.

Angry, angry camp counselors.

Oh my God.

The first scene of the kids arriving at camp is they're all like running by.

Yeah.

And the guy, the pedophile cam counselor goes,

he's like licking his lips and looking at all the young, like young kids.

And he goes, where I call them,

where I come from, we call them baldies.

Makes your mouth water looking at it.

I missed this line.

He says, we call them baldies because they have no hair on their face.

They don't have pubic hair yet.

He says, where I come from, we call them baldies.

Where does he come from?

And can I visit?

That guy is instantaneously, like, I was like, whoa, this just got crazy rapy.

By the way, not even crazy rapey.

That's a weird thing to reveal to a group of people.

Like, hey, I'm going to fuck a young kid

summer.

I'm a child muster.

He reveals to like six people that are standing there.

And one of the people just goes,

that's him.

Yeah.

He just laughs it off.

By the way, it just goes to show you you cannot trust the kitchen staff.

Because the same kind of thing in Sucker Punch, the same guy who runs the kitchen likes to rape young girls.

That's it.

They put them in the real theme.

It's a real theme.

It's a real theme.

I feel like that's my wheelhouse 20 years from now.

I'm just going to be doing this.

Just like rapey, rapey, rapey, creepy adults.

Well, June pointed out a very special celebrity guest star in the kitchen staff.

James Earl Jones' dad.

Robert Earl Jones.

Plays Ben.

He plays Ben?

Yep.

By the way, his name is Ben.

How are you remembering all these names?

Because it's so insane.

He plays this name.

Robert Earl Jones played the best.

I noticed his name in the credits, and I thought that's a coincidence.

But then when I heard his voice, he has James Earl Jones' voice and looks a lot like him.

That's crazy.

And more crazy is that he would name his kid the same middle name as him.

Like, it's not like

you have to go like Earl Jones.

Yeah, but anyway, so that's Robert Earl Jones.

We see, we meet our amazing camp owner who is just smoking a cigar.

They smoke in front of these kids non-stop.

Oh, yeah.

In the 80s, it was good to smoke.

Yeah, that's

not just smoke, but like talk and be like so lascivious and sexual.

Yes.

You know, and I guess I appreciate that.

You know, I guess I appreciate like the forthrightness with which like all the kids swear like a blue streak.

Like in that way that like to a way that I haven't heard it on film before.

But that's the thing is like in the 80s, like Bad News Bears or Meatballs or those movies, like kids swore like we as kids swore.

You know what I mean?

And that just doesn't exist anymore.

Like a movie with kids now, you would never hear like a 13 year old.

Talk to you, you fucking go.

You fucking

it's so many F-bombs.

And from little kids, we should also point out, and this is a very important thing, when we meet Angela eight years later after the accident, she doesn't speak.

We haven't heard her speak.

We also

have to say sleepaway camp happens eight years after the accident, which we haven't said.

Yes.

Yes.

They don't really let you know how long it has been.

So they, you know, they're at camp.

People immediately hate Angela because she doesn't speak at all.

And she just sort of blinks.

She doesn't even blink.

She knows she stares vacantly.

She figures to be like a real weird.

I feel like they give her mushrooms because she has no like pupil versus like eye color.

It's just black.

Well, you don't, you don't know what's wrong with her.

Is she catatonic?

Does she have no emotions?

But then, guess what?

A couple scenes in, she starts talking up a storm.

Because a boy flirts with her.

Yeah, like nothing.

Like nothing.

The movie.

Interesting.

The movie is also, which I also liked, is like singularly obsessed with people, with kids getting laid.

oh yeah you know it's just again like that 80s way of like

all movies like like like the sure thing and that yeah that that Tom Cruise movie where they're everybody they're trying to lose their virginity no they're trying the first one I knew every time

they're all obsessed with getting laid and Judy got tits and and and blah blah blah I also like when the kid runs up to Ricky hey Ricky man oh man you got to see Judy she's got some big tits or whatever and then and Ricky's like he says to you know he says to his cousin he's like we went steady it's almost like it's like he's like it's so cool ricky is like the playboy he's like the badass of the camp yeah but he hasn't he is considered one of the little kids wait a second i just realized something crazy

is this the first year that angela has lived with ricky because if eight years have passed where was angela why hasn't she been going to camp with him yeah oh my god all right well we'll get again that makes no sense

yeah i mean i'm looking at the wikipedia and you're right Angela is the cousin of Ricky and there is eight years.

I just don't understand.

Because when I saw that mom, I was like, this mom is crazy because of the accident.

But now it is not that.

She is just a crazy person.

Yes.

Although, looking, thinking about the mom again, I'm starting to think she actually might have been a man at one point.

Really?

No, no, no.

That the mom is the gay lover.

But then how do you explain Ricky?

Wait a second.

How do you explain Ricky?

No, no, no, no.

Ricky is her son, right?

Yeah, Desiree Gould.

It was played by a real actress.

Her name is.

No, no, no.

I know.

Well,

we did.

Oh, okay, right.

All right.

Well, all right.

We can get, we can, oh, Desiree Gould.

All right, so we can get, let's get into it.

I want to hold off on one more second before, because I think the end is going to open up all these.

Wikipedia does, okay.

Yeah.

Well, the first death that happens is the

one of the cooks, the guy who makes that comment about Baldies,

attempts to rape Angela.

Oh, you're not going to be able to do it.

Like,

instantly.

Very quickly.

He is like, he's like, oh, you want some food?

Why don't you come back into the pantry?

And then starts unbuckling his pants.

He's like,

I'll give you something to snack on.

Yes.

Or whatever he says.

It's so upsetting.

And then Ricky finds Angela, grabs her, and runs out.

And then the cook punches a box of tomatoes.

Huge box of tomatoes.

A huge box of tomatoes.

Then Angela comes back later on, or the killer comes back later on.

Spoiler alert.

Huge spoiler alert.

I'm obsessed with this scene because the cook is trying, is salting an enormous pot of boiling water.

First of all, first he says, By the way, they don't make boiling water.

Is it boiling?

It's like a 55-gallon drum of boiling water.

He goes, Is it boiling?

And he goes, Oh, it is.

Like, so that we understand it's boiling water.

Boiling water.

And he says that a girl.

Oh, yeah, he does say that a girl.

That a girl.

That a girl.

To the water.

Then it's boiling.

Yeah.

Oh, he's got to toss the water up.

My favorite part is how angry that guy gets at the drop of a hat.

He's out of salt.

Fuck this salt.

Everyone there is on the border of just freaking out.

That makes everybody a suspect.

So he gets on a stepladder.

This is my question.

No, no, the pot is so large.

Sorry, a chicken.

The pot is so large, and he must stand on a chair to pour the salt in.

Salt it out.

Now, meanwhile, how much salt would you have to put it?

Like, I know you put a little bit of salt in a pot of boiling water.

That's a good one.

Oh, I'm so glad you asked.

Because

our passion being that how did this get made turns into a cooking show?

I mean, the question we don't know is what's he preparing the water for.

Well, I wasn't.

It was corn.

He had all that corn inside.

He put a significant amount of salt in there.

Yeah.

So I thought that was interesting.

For those of you keeping notes on the cooking part of the show, it was very interesting.

So he's standing on a chair salting this water for days.

I mean, listen, that's a lot of sodium.

These kids, this is at a time when we didn't understand the dangers of salt.

And I also think, by the way, that that's why he has a few pounds to lose because he's been over salting his food.

He's been over salting his food.

He has really high cholesterol.

Yeah,

he's putting a lot.

He's very heavy on the salt.

Big guy.

So then the killer comes in.

And we see a pair of hands coming up, hands outstretched, like first person.

Now the camera is first person.

Yes.

We are the killer's POV.

Yes.

Which was killer cam.

Killer cam.

The best part of

every single death in this movie is

the way everyone goes, oh, it's you.

of anything.

I have that

unbelievable.

I put together a clip.

I'm obsessed with how he dies, though, because what happens is he realizes who the killer is.

He tells her to.

He tells the killer.

I mean, you're just spoiling who the killer is.

Well, basically,

you didn't even say it.

I'm using a gendered pronoun.

You didn't even die.

The biggest thing was.

the kid.

Just keep on moving.

The kid pushes his butt, reminiscent of the father who also got his butt pushed in the opening scene.

And then, and then

I'm certain that is not meant to be a thematic reference.

In a body of water.

In a body of water.

And then the guy is just frantically holding on to his shelf.

Now, meanwhile, he's like about a foot off the ground.

At any point, he could go any which way, but he's holding on like he's holding on to the side of a building.

Like, oh, all right, help me off of this thing like he is in no physical danger whatsoever at all and and instead of being like stop it he's like

off your sub i'll get you an ice cream sandwich like trying no when he falls though he could fall any which way yes but lose

So he falls in such a way that he grabs the 50-pound pot of boiling water, I guess, and pours it all over himself, burning him to a ridiculous, again, a yelling scene.

Yeah,

this yelling scene, if you actually go through the math of the yelling scene, and I have it written down, he, because he

it cuts from him yelling in the same position to him gauzed, same position, still yelling.

Yes.

If you think about how long it would take for someone to call the ambulance, because people just stand around when they see people get no cell phones there.

Yeah, in this film, Ben walks in and he's just like, oh,

oh, and he's just watching this guy scream, boiling his face.

If you think about it, if you think about a camp that's removed from a city, how long it would take police officers and an ambulance to get there, that man was sitting there for an hour and a half, screaming in the same position.

Well, I would also want to add to that, too.

Not only did the ambulance get there, and not only did the ambulance get there, but then a doctor got there and they did a lot of work in the kitchen.

Because when you see him being removed from the kitchen, he's still screaming, but it's totally gauzed out.

Like, that would be something that they would do in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.

The doctor's like, you know what?

I'm going to set up shop here.

There's a lot of fly traps hanging around here.

It's so weird.

And the doctor, they literally say to the doctor,

were his eyeballs burned?

And he goes, it's too soon to tell.

Too soon to tell?

You would definitely tell if his eyeballs were burned.

And is that, is that,

are they asking,

why do you ask if his eyeballs are burned?

Because he just, like, his main painting.

I know, know, but if it was the chef that was badly burned, I think the first question you'd probably ask is, are his hands okay?

Well, Jesus,

where their concern is mainly, their concern, the guy that runs the camp's concern is like, get him out of here.

Don't tell anybody.

We still need to make dinner.

James O.

Jones is dead.

Can you be the cook?

And he's like, well, I guess so.

Yeah.

That's it.

Camp goes on as normal.

Yeah, camp goes on as normal.

That's the thing that's shocking to me is it's not until like six deaths in that the guy that runs the camp seems a little bit like suspicious.

And he's not even suspicious.

He's just kind of like, oh, all right, we'll combine the camps and we'll just, we'll make it smaller.

And we'll keep this camps.

Because he keeps being like, people aren't going to send their kids to camp if they know about all these deaths.

How much money do you think the camp is bringing in every summer?

Oh,

this is a great question.

Because it seems like.

What are the economic finance?

This is another great.

How did this get made pocket?

What are the economic finances of the business that is part of the movie?

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In the last episode, you guys, we were talking about the finances of Camp Arawak.

Camp owner seems like he's going to lose.

I guess if you're a camp owner,

I don't know.

It just seems like he's going to lose millions if this camp gets shut down.

By the way, I'm so concerned.

smoking.

Well, it's a livelihood.

And only a millionaire smokes cigars in the middle of the city.

That's true.

He wears black socks up to his knees with shorts.

With shorts.

By the way, we'll find out later on.

He's also fucking the children.

He's also asked on a date.

She's a counselor.

To be fair, she's a counselor.

That's a little less of a couple of people.

It's not Meg.

Is it Meg?

Yes, it's Meg.

It's Meg.

And Meg is into it.

She's like, he is like a Milton Burrow-looking old man.

Yes.

And she is like, I got a date tonight.

Man, I got a hot date.

What?

You are dating me.

She asks him on a date, but he's already asked her on a date.

Yeah, she says, remember when you said,

remember when you said you wanted to.

How about that dinner you said you wanted?

And he's like, whoa, sure.

The man who was born in 1922.

This movie was in 1983.

Just to give you an idea of how old he was, that's the age difference that we're talking about.

193.

And of course, Meg, the beautiful Meg, was born in, let's see, they don't say when she was born.

She's a teenager.

She's maybe 16 years old.

She's 16.

Yeah, she's 16 years old.

And she's psyched about this.

Yeah.

And is, you know, probably, like, to me, Meg is the real bully of the girl.

Meg and Judy are the bully.

Judy's so

very dark hair.

Judy is a bitch, but Meg is the muscle.

Meg is the one that throws Angela in the water.

That's interesting.

Judy's more like psychological.

By the way, just like that, Judy has a shirt that says Judy.

I love that.

I love Judy's hair.

I've never seen it.

Side pony.

Oh, it's just a

side pony to the just JFYI.

If you have not seen this movie, chances are you have because it is almost a dirt.

You could see now that Wet Hot American Summer directly parodied this movie.

There are even scenes that heavyweights stole from this movie.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

It's, I mean, like, characters are dressed the same in Wet Hot as they are at Sleepweight Camp.

The side pony, all that sort of stuff.

It looks identical, too.

I asked Kim Marino last night.

I emailed him because there was a kind of like a weightlifting kind of Jewish guy who was was like the voice of reason at the camp.

I go, did you base your character on this?

He goes, yeah, part that guy and part a guy in meatballs.

So that was the impetus to Ken's character.

All right, so the second murder happens in a boating accident.

This kid is flirting with a girl, wants her to see the water snake, which would be his dick in the water,

flips over the boat.

Lots of boat flipping

to get her into the water.

So he can show her his water snake.

To get her into the water, mix it up a little bit.

Hey, there's a hard water snake here.

It needs to clear onto your drill parts.

It's difficult, like, to float in the water.

Like, what was he planning on doing there?

I'm serious because their feet weren't touching the ground.

Hey, look, this is 83.

People were fucking at all interested in the middle.

People could do anything.

But

yeah, so now this kid is now trapped.

He just decides to hang out.

Underneath the canoe that he flipped.

He's high on drugs, by the way.

He's high on drugs.

He's high on drugs, I think.

Yeah, he and the other kid are high on drugs, both.

And by the way, though, what did he do to the killer to get her so upset?

He was making a surprise.

To get the killer so upset.

He said.

You said to get her so upset.

No, I said the killer.

Either way, we don't know the killer could be male or female at this point.

He said the killer.

He said, What did he do to the killer to get her so upset?

Please go see this movie.

Do not wait for our amazing reveal of this.

I can't do this.

I can't do it.

We gotta just get to the ending because it's going to be so good.

It's so good.

So he's now a high on drugs singing a song in the boat.

Now I...

He's alone.

He's alone.

Now I played this.

I put two clips back to back because it is what happens when everybody sees the killer.

So these are two clips of people seeing the killer.

Here we go.

What the hell are you doing here?

I bet the rest of the boys will be interested in seeing you.

That's number one.

Here's another killer.

It's you.

What do you want?

Well.

Then she gets knocked out.

So they always are saying, you.

Oh, I knew it was you.

Do you think, I can't imagine being 14 and seeing this for the first time.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

I didn't realize.

I'm sorry.

I didn't realize that Judy was killed by having a hot curling iron stuck into her vagina.

Yeah.

June pointed that out.

I thought it was just being burned, but June's like, no, it's going into her vagina.

Yeah, that's true.

You can test it as

in the shadow.

It's like being

how did you think she was killed?

Burning.

I don't know.

You told me that.

That was the only way for Judy to die.

Yeah, yeah.

By getting a curling iron in the VJ.

Absolutely.

Ooh, that was a terrible.

And by the way, would that kill you?

I mean, no.

It would burn your vagina.

It would burn your vagina into uselessness.

But it would not kill you.

It would certainly not kill you.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

You would just like melt your vagina.

Wait a second.

Could there be a sequel to this movie where we see Judy with a burned vagina?

There are three sequels to this movie.

Oh, you know what, guys?

I actually know the answer to my own question.

There was a short film released on sleepawaycamptv.com.

It's called Judy's Return.

So you can follow the 16-minute return story of Judy as an adult.

And I don't haven't seen it, nor probably will I, but

you can see how her burned vagina does in the future.

Judy's a real sad character.

I think what Judy admires, like Judy and Angela have an interesting relationship because I think in so many ways, Judy would like to be more like Angela.

Why do you say that?

Because Angela is innocent.

Yeah.

That's it.

I think Judy sees a little bit of her old self in Angela and has become

sprouted as tits.

Well, by the way, it's crazy because that scene where that guy rejects her a little bit, I mean, not even that much, she goes nuts.

Yeah.

I also feel like everyone in this movie, though, like, they hate Angela because she's a mute some of the time.

By the way, she's a mute some of the time.

Some of the times she's a totally well-adjusted girl.

It goes back and forth.

I don't know if I would say well-adjusted.

She just talks.

She talks, but in a way that's like kind of, she doesn't, doesn't, it's not like the mom.

It's not overly creepy.

It's like a girl.

It's normal.

Oh, boy.

I have a really important question for when we get to the end.

And so, all right, so basically, but all the kids like will grab her and go, how come you're so fucked up?

Like, god damn it, answer me.

And they shake her.

They're always like shaking her.

Because she doesn't talk, it throws people into rages.

Well, they project all of their own fears and insecurities onto her.

Well, when that kid was killed in the boat, even the camp counselor in in the morning is like, oh, god damn it, look at all these chairs.

He's like throwing chairs around, and then he just uncovers a dead body.

That's so decomposed in less than like, what, five hours?

Within, from late night until early morning, the body is mangled.

Well, right?

That's not decomposition.

It's not decomposition, but it's not water snakes.

It's either water snakes.

A water snake does climb out of the water.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God.

That was hilarious.

Wait, you think the water snakes ate him?

I thought he was beat to death or something.

No, no that was his body oh no it's the snap snapping turtles oh yay dudes

this is snapping turtles this movie is so stupid

there are literally maybe like eight times i said to my i keep thinking in my head this is the part of the movie where nothing makes sense well and it's just like the entire film it makes well okay well by the way so the this kid's dead we have it then there's a the police come to kind of inform him that there could have been an accident this is the the accident debate here listen as far as i can tell, the boy drowned.

Of course, we'll have to wait for the medical examiner to check him over before we can be certain.

Of course, he drowned.

He was horsing around, a canoe tipped over, he must have hit his head.

I don't think so.

Weren't any bumps or bruises when I checked?

Though, again, I'm no expert on this matter.

It was obviously an accident.

I mean, the boy might have got scared and panicked, right?

That could be a logical explanation.

So it was one of those fluke accidents we could not have foreseen, and that is all there is to it.

I don't know.

It was an accident.

So

that is the camp counselor trying, or the head of the camp just trying to justify it.

He's smoking a cigar during that season.

Yeah, oh, yeah.

I'm not technically Steve.

Oh, man, that guy is the best.

That security guard.

Can we move ahead to Meg's death?

Yeah, sure.

Okay, so Meg.

This is the most improbable death.

This is the craziest death.

Yeah.

Meg is getting ready for a hot date with old fuck action camp counselor there.

Megan Mel.

Megan.

Megan Mel.

Megan Mel Hearts Forever.

16 and 60.

16 and 60.

That's a new MTV show.

So she's taking a shower.

She's surrounded by like handsome men her own age.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, and even handsome men closer to her age than Megan Mel.

So she takes a shower in a different bunk because all the girls are using up the shower and hers.

And she's, by the way, singing the craziest song in that shower.

But not even singing.

No.

Humming the entire time.

But she's like, he, hum, hum, hum, hum, hum, hum.

He hum hum hum.

It's just like

maddening with a huge smile on her face.

Then all of a sudden she leans back on the shower so her back is against the wall and the killer

stabs through the wall

and stabs her from her neck down to her ass.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In half, pretty much.

Yeah.

Now, at no point in feeling the knife go into her back does Meg step forward

in order to avoid the knife destroying her.

She stays firmly with her back against the wall.

Feet planted.

Feet planted so that the knife can continue to wreak havoc with her

back area.

It's almost like someone's scratching it and she likes it and she's like, oh yeah, get it.

She like, yeah, she really edges that knife into her.

Oh, man.

And so she dies and

presumably stays in such a precarious position that her body, until Mel comes to find her, much later in the movie, Mel walks into a room she's been dead now for arguably a couple hours right

a couple hours but the minute he walks into the room she falls into frame so she was hanging so precariously that he didn't even move a curtain he doesn't do anything she just kind of enters enters the scene they could have made that scene so much easier if he just moved a shower curtain and she fell out nope She just falls to the ground.

It's so weird.

So do you think the knife was holding onto her back and in the wall at the same time?

the knife out, she cleans it.

Yeah, so she's just standing up, a dead person, standing up, standing against the wall.

It's the wind shifting.

Absolute nonsense.

All right.

Honestly, that

speech he gives, which had to have been improved when he sees

is unbelievable.

I do have that as well.

I'll play it.

It's a little hard to hear because the music is so overpowering, but it's worth trying to hear.

Here you go.

Oh, my God.

Are you you mad?

He did it.

Gotta stop him.

Don't get away back.

Never get away from me again.

And as he's talking, he's talking with his like finger at his like, like

almost like a stereotype of an Italian man, like, hey, I'm gonna make him a capa cola, you're never gonna forget.

It's like, he's like presenting this information like this.

Oh, my God.

I love that all of the times where he wasn't talking, it would cut back to the back of a body.

Yes.

And it wasn't like, it was like, oh, something else has happened to this body.

It's the same shot.

Nope.

Same.

It's so fucking short.

And no blood at all.

No blood out of there.

I guess the blood was drained out.

Oh, my God.

By the way, I want to just talk about one line that was pretty great.

Hey, man, eat shit and die, Ricky.

Hey, eat shit and live, Bill.

That was one of the clams.

All the other kids are like, ooh.

That was a great comeback.

So a bunch of other camp counselors die

or

kids die.

But let's get it.

Gets killed with the bees.

Yes.

Wiki's dump.

This is amazing.

The amazing.

That's it.

Use it.

You have it written down, so read it because I don't have it written.

I'll be right there, guys.

But first, I gotta take a wicked dump.

That's a line in this movie that an actor memorized and then said and takes a magazine into the bathroom where the killer, the genderless killer,

reaches in and puts a beehive by the way.

Another slow-ass reaction.

First, knifes out the screen on the window, takes a while, and the guy doesn't, we never see the guy in the stall.

We only see his feet.

It's like, hey, who the hell is that?

Continues to take his wicked shit.

Does not look around.

And then

someone

puts a beehive on a stick and puts it in there.

It looked like an old-timey hobo stick.

Yeah, a bindle.

It definitely looks like a bindle.

My problem, my only problem with that scene was they put a very thin broomstick to stop him from getting out.

It's like you, we start on a pretty large gap between the floor and the top of the door.

Just get out of there.

Yeah.

And that beehive, like at the end when you see all of the bees on his bottom on his dead body, that beehive contained thousands and thousands of houses.

His body looked so eaten alive, it was as if you locked him in a beehive, in an actual beehive for days.

But this is like two minutes later, he is

the same thing with the boiling water.

His body was boiling.

And that was after the amazing water balloon scene,

which our main character, Angela, gets a water balloon and goes down like she was like John F.

Kennedy shot.

You motherfuckers!

And these kids are playing with water balloons on the roof of a cabin.

Like just all on a roof, all fighting on a roof.

Ricky, Ricky's outbursts, like

I can't imagine where the headspace he had to go to.

Well, that's why I think in your mind, you're supposed to think, like, is it Ricky?

Is it Angela?

We don't know who the killer is.

Yeah.

Because Ricky is.

He is so volatile.

So angry.

And so over-protective.

And even Mel is like, why are you, even Mel suspects him at a certain point.

He's like, why are you always protecting her?

Why is you?

You did it.

I saw you by the thing or whatever.

And like, Mel is like accusing Ricky of doing it.

The thing I wanted to talk about was

at a certain point, Angela gets a little boyfriend, Paul.

Paul starts to to like Angela, and they're holding hands after movie night.

And then

he kisses her.

Oh, this is the best.

He kisses her behind the bunk.

She's like, Where are we going?

And he's like, I just want to show you something.

I just want to show you something.

And then they go behind the bunk, and he like plants

the meekest little kiss on her.

And she's like, I have to go inside.

I have to go inside now.

I mean,

don't you?

I like.

But this is the power share of the flashback.

She does like him.

But this does like him.

That's what I want to get to.

But this is the flashback.

That's what I want to get to.

But this is the flashback, right?

Where she...

Literally, it says smash cut to gay sex.

Yes.

Cutting to these two men.

And like, I don't know if this is.

This is where you find out that the man on the shore was the gay lover.

We didn't know this.

We should have said that at the beginning.

I didn't think he was the gay lover, that the two men were gay lovers in the cold open.

No way.

In this scene, which appears to take place in a black box.

It's like that episode of Family Ties Reviewer.

That's exactly what I was going to say.

Where Alex's friend dies and he has to go to therapy.

It's like a community therapy.

It's like a Brechtian production

of something.

Where it's a black box, and the two little kids, now they're back to being little kids, are looking at the dad and the man like bone zoning.

Yeah.

Just doing it.

But they also are bone zoning like a thing.

It was a tender.

It was tender.

It was tender.

They were touching each other's faces in a tender way.

Yeah, they weren't.

And then the two little kids, they weren't ramming.

And then that dissolves to the two kids, the little boy and the little girl in bed, like touching each other like the men were touching each other.

But not even trying.

Don't they touch each other's faces?

No, no, it's like E.T.

It's like E.T.

He's poking her tip.

His finger is just going slowly at her, but it never touches her.

And it's super creepy.

And the camera's like rotating around their bed.

It's like, what the fuck am I watching?

Well, but that wasn't, I don't think we were supposed to take away that they were

she was slowly molested by her brother.

That was definitely incest.

It's definitely incest.

Totally incest.

Total incest.

It's like an underlining theme in the interview.

You guys, that's not true.

Yes, it was.

That's why they showed that scene.

No.

The reason why they showed that scene was that we see the boy pointing to her, which is why we're thinking she's the killer.

Angela's the killer because he's pointing at her.

No, no, no.

What's talking about?

What the fuck are you talking about?

There are three people who are going no, and one person is going yes.

That was not an incest scene.

It was an incest scene.

It was so incestual.

It was.

It was totally incest.

He's pointing her tin.

He's like, pointing.

He's like,

basically,

it keeps dissolving.

It keeps dissolving to his fingers getting closer and closer and closer to her.

It's like, that is like something sexy.

He's looking at her like you.

No, he's like getting closer and closer.

I'm going to touch this.

I'm going to touch you.

I'm going to do this.

It was so creepy.

It was like they just saw sex and then they were going to emit it.

That's exactly what it was.

Yeah.

All right.

So

now we're getting to, let's just get to,

let's get to the meat of this fucking movie.

Literally.

So the whole movie is pretty much predicated on an amazing five-minute ending sequence.

So Angela decides that after she's been upset with this boy, she's going to finally

take him to the bone zone.

Yeah.

And

we cut to a flashback.

Anyone can take who wants to describe this scene.

We cut to a flashback of the creepy mom that we established in the beginning.

Also, oh, yeah, go ahead.

Or do you have one to go before?

Well,

you know, that's fine.

That's fine.

Well, okay, what happens is a bunch of people are killed.

Yes.

And then all the people are running around chaos.

And they run down and they find Angela and Paul naked on the beach.

The beach.

Okay.

Then.

Very tender.

Yes.

Angela is humming and cradling Paul, right?

And they come across her, and her back is to the people, and she's naked.

Then you dissolve into this flashback.

And it's Aunt Martha, and Aunt Martha, again on a Brechtian set,

starts doing this thing.

We see it's like right after the accident.

Childs come to me.

The surviving child has

a headcast on or something.

Yeah, that's the funniest part.

It's like that doesn't exist in any world.

No.

I have the dialogue here that I can read.

So it cuts into this.

Oh, you're going to enjoy living with us so much.

Yes, I know you are.

As a welcome home present, I bought you such a wonderful new clothes.

I hope that Richard doesn't get jealous that I didn't get him anything.

Oh, but then he's such a dear.

I'm sure he won't mind.

You see, I've always wanted a little girl.

But of course, when my husband left, oh, well, that's all water under the bridge.

As I always say, water under the bridge.

But it certainly will be a nice surprise when Richard comes home to find a little girl in his house.

Yes, I've always dreamt of a little girl just like you.

That's the monologue.

We find out that Angela is actually the son.

The little boy survived.

The little boy survived, not the girl.

And the mother raises the little boy, whose name was Peter,

as Angela, who she says, because it's from the angels.

Yes.

And so, and then you cut back to camp, present-day camp, Angela gets up, Paul's head, decapitated head, rolls off of her lap, she's holding a knife, screams this crazy blood-curdling scream, turns around to face everybody, and has a tiny dick.

And that is bonkers.

That's how the movie ends.

Angela is the brother.

Holy shit, it's crazy.

That monologue, though, actually, when you read it,

it answers a lot of my outstanding questions.

Okay, so from that monologue we're to we're to understand that the man on the beach was her husband no no no left left yes thank you zach left yes but was her husband but left her left her for the guy so yeah so the by the way the guy on the beach was the was married to martha you're saying yes

oh so wait a second so you're saying

the doc is coming as well right he's not gonna be like my wife is coming got it the doc is coming

what's her name the doc well wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute because i really want to understand this.

So you're telling me that Martha, Aunt Martha and dude on the beach were married.

Let's just call him Gary.

And Gary.

Aunt Martha and Gary were married, okay?

And then dad of Peter and Angela.

Dad of two little kids, Angela being the boy, Peter.

Peter slash Angela and little boy.

Little girl.

Oh, little girl.

Little girl.

Sorry, little girl.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Guy on boat.

Guy on boat with kids.

So he was was presumably married to somebody, right?

Yeah.

Yes.

They are gay lovers.

Right.

Yes, yes.

Are they related?

But

I don't think they're related to the lovers.

The kids are related.

But she is their aunt.

She is their aunt.

Wait a second, I figured it out.

The guy on the boat with the two kids and the guy on land, Gary, they are related.

That's what they are.

And it was incest.

Yeah, so it's

incest.

So that's why she gets custody because she is the aunt of that little girl boy.

I think she is the...

I think it is incest in the sense that it's like through law.

That's oh, yeah, I think that, yeah, I'm with that, yes.

So maybe

the Martha and

maybe Martha and the kids' mothers were sisters, right?

And these two men married these two sisters but decided to bone zone each other, but they were not related except by marriage.

Because

that's how the kids caught them.

The two little kids were like at a summer house when they had some sort of family thing, and that's when they saw the men having sex in the bed.

We're to understand then that when the doc is arriving at the summer home, she also has Ricky in tow which they never mention.

Yeah, they never mentioned Ricky.

By the way, I do think that we were wrong on one thing.

This did not take place, the boating accident did not take place in front of the camp, even though it would lead you to believe because the camera pans off the camp.

It did.

It totally did.

It did?

It had a terrible thing.

100%.

All right.

Or a camp.

I thought it was.

Those kids came from a camp.

I don't think

he was like, I don't want to lose my job, but okay.

All right, maybe you're right.

Okay.

So Saturday, Saturday.

And that's why she starts to go crazy when she's back at the camp.

Back at the camp, the water, it's just terrible.

It's too much.

It's too much.

Too much for her.

All right.

So

also to understand, though, that Angela slash Peter is a gay boy.

Like, she's been raised as a girl, so probably has a crush on Paul because of

he's a guy paying attention to her, but I'm sure that's why the kiss is so, she reacts to the kiss.

So weird.

And that's also why she won't get in the shower.

It's also why she won't get in the shower.

Right.

I think she's just an asexual murderer.

See, Wikipedia just said.

No, that's interesting.

Wikipedia says the man on the shore is just his lover.

That's all it says about that.

But it says the doc is coming.

Yeah, the doctor's coming.

Well, why would the doctor be coming to the beach?

It's just...

Because the doctor is the aunt of the kids.

So just unrelated, the doctor's coming.

Unrelated, the doctor's coming?

Unrelated means like, you have to get out of the water.

The doctor is coming.

Maybe it's your sister's coming.

He could have said your sister's coming.

No, he said the doc.

No, no, I know, but he could have said.

Your sister's coming.

Your sister's, you know, like, somebody's coming.

Hurry up, get to sure.

We have to cover up all our gay stuff.

Oh, maybe.

I don't know.

Have you guys noticed that cop at the end had the worst?

Fake mustache?

Oh, the worst fake.

The worst fake mustache I've ever seen.

Like, that was bought in a prop store.

Like, it was worse than Eric Banna's beard and Hannah.

Well, again,

if you go on the idea that this is a real camp that made a movie over a summer, it was not that bad.

I do want to talk about the spirit finger death.

Every time people get killed in this movie, their hands kind of go up like,

like they're in spirit fingers.

Like, ah, like they just go really wide and back and forth because they only show it through shadows.

Do you think, though, that we're to understand that Ricky, does Ricky know that Angela is a dude?

That is a terrific question.

No way.

No way.

Well, because the mother does say he'll be so happy to have a little sister.

Yeah.

So the presumption being

the mom is going to tell him it's a little girl.

Yeah, the only thing that's going to be.

Oh, is that why he's so protective?

He's like, it's my sister.

It's my girl sister.

I do want to just clarify one thing here.

Do you know who was supposed to originally play the part of Angela?

Jane Krakowski.

No way.

Yes.

Where did you see that?

On IMDb.

Apparently she dropped out

at the end.

That's fucking crazy.

And the movie was indeed dedicated to the director's mother.

Those are two things just to answer those questions.

A real doer.

Can you imagine if that movie was dedicated to you by your child i'd be like what did i do i have not done i have not done i will say this people should a hundred percent watch this movie it's on youtube in its entirety in its entirety it's amazing and even if you're not going to watch the movie watch the last 10 minutes yeah well it it you have to i think the the payoff only works with the full maybe yeah maybe i will tell you also a new film return to sleepwake camp was completed in 2003 and initially struggled to find distribution it was directed by the same guy

of the original.

He decided this chapter would ignore the storylines of the previous sequels, stating he wanted to pick up where the original film ended.

According to Fangoria, the digital effects were redone in 2008, and the film finally found distribution and was released in 2008.

And basically, it is, if you want to follow the story,

it's called Return to Sleepwake.

I just would like to add something to this, okay?

That movie, you're correct, is a sequel that the director made.

But in the 80s, another director made two sequels called Sleepaway Camp 2, Unhappy Campers, and Sleepaway Camp 3, Teenage Wasteland.

In them, Angela, now played by Bruce Springsteen's younger sister, Pamela Springsteen,

resurfaces at a nearby sleepaway camp, but this time masquerading as a counselor after a sex change that made her entirely female.

Then there's a fourth, there's another sequel called Sleepaway Camp 4, The Survivor, directed by a whole different person, which was partially filmed and never released.

This is all Wikipedia.

Can I just bring up how Paul pitches himself as the best friend ever?

He's like, yeah, me and Ricky hung out all, like, we're best friends.

Yeah.

These are the shenanigans we got into last year.

And she's just like thoroughly impressed to the point where she's like, that's great.

And that's her first line.

Yep.

First line she speaks like 45 minutes into.

Yeah.

And it's by the way, that's what I think the really big question that remains is why didn't she go to camp before?

What was she doing?

Being a boy.

I mean, like, just probably the mom probably didn't want to.

Oh, she couldn't do the physical.

No, but the mom did the physical.

That explains why the mom did the physical, too.

Guys, by the way, I'm looking, I'm reading the whole plot summary for Return to Sleepaway Camp.

It looks like everyone had returned.

Ricky returns.

Ronnie returns.

Every surviving victim returns many years later to find the real killer.

Oh, that will be.

The real killer?

It wasn't Angela?

Well, I think maybe Angela is coming back.

Maybe it's like Psycho 2.

Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but it is now time for a second opinion.

These are five-star reviews called from Amazon.

I can't even decide which ones to read here because they're so good.

Ben Conrad writes, plot, characterization, screenwriting, or acting might be the conventional criteria that most film buffs use for grading a movie's greatness.

I used used to believe that too, until I saw Sleepaway Camp.

After that, I drew a new template for my own evaluation.

Amazing.

Based solely on sheer audacity.

This movie is poorly written, poorly acted, and it ends if someone just slammed the brakes on a tractor trailer that was leisurely cruising at 200 miles an hour.

This movie stops and you're never the same again.

Five stars.

That's true.

This is my favorite one from Christina Rusta.

Oh, actually, not my favorite one.

Second favorite one.

I gotta say, when I first watched this movie,

sorry.

I need to know the hierarchy of

favorite.

Not as good as my final thing.

I got to say, when I first watched this movie, I was around four years old, and I had nightmares

for a week over the last shot.

Now, when I watch it, by the way, nobody remembers their nightmares from four years old.

That's what I'm saying.

Maybe if you saw a dick out there like that and a headless kid, now when I watch it, being 24 as of 2009, I think it's pretty good.

And it would be, and it's a really good past the time kind of movie.

What does that mean?

Past the time.

My brother owns this movie and we watch it when we order pizza.

For a brother and sister to watch this movie over pizza is really weird.

Something you'll want to have said.

I watched Sleepaway Camp.

Great movie.

Five stars.

That's something you'll want.

You know what's something I want to say?

I've watched Sleepaway Camp.

I just haven't been able to say it yet.

Dot, dot, dot.

Great movie.

I watched Sleepaway Camp.

Dot, dot, dot, great.

That's part of the whole quote.

Wow.

that's not like I watched Super Camp so it's like you wanted to have said amazing this is written by it's just titled a kid's review honestly I don't know what people are thinking when they call this movie bad or dumb the people who call horror movies funny that's a sure way to tell that they're bluffing don't listen to those people okay This is a wonderful slasher flick.

I will not give a detailed synopsis for do not want to ruin it to you.

I will tell you that

you are in for quite a scare.

The killings are nothing short of spectacular.

The characters are somewhat likable.

The ending is so scary that when I first watched it, I let out some strange noise.

Not quite a scream, maybe a moan of terror, and I ran out of the room.

My mother said I looked like I saw a ghost and I told her I had seen something worse.

Watch this movie with a dog.

Or if you think...

Wait, what?

Yep.

Or if you think you can handle it, I barely can now.

I just love that scared feeling.

That's why I like well-made horror films.

Watch it alone.

With a dog?

Be warned.

You will be scared.

I guarantee it.

If you are not scared, then I am nothing but a wimp.

This will invoke fear in you, be it slight, which I highly doubt.

There are some tough-hearted people out there, like war veterans, LOL.

What?

Wait.

No, that was a joke.

That was a joke.

I still watch this movie, and it scares me.

By the way, I'm not a kid.

I just forgot my password i'm 17 and i live in brooklyn new york so you know it's not some eight-year-old in the middle of nowhere who gets uh spooked by the halloween episodes of south park have fun being scared

wow holy cow that is one of the things that was as well written as the script

someone also just said this is uh better than anything that kubrick has done uh oh my god that's great um anything that we did not talk about that is worth mentioning we've covered it

definitely watch it it's on youtube uh Big thanks to Zach Perlman, whose show, The In-Betweeners, airs on Monday nights on MTV.

It's a really funny show.

And you can follow you on Twitter, right?

Yeah, at Zach Perlman.

And it's

with the CH, right?

CK.

CK.

Yeah.

I'm glad we clarified that.

Jason, still not on Twitter.

Nope.

June, what do you want to plug?

I don't know.

Ices.

Ices, Ice Pops.

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Thank you to everybody at Earwolf.

Thank you, Cody, for our engineer for the day.

Thank you so much.

We'll see you next time.

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