Last Looks: Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan w/ Adam Pally

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It's me, Paul Shearer, and welcome to How Did This Get Made?

Last Looks, where you get to voice your issues on Friday, the 13th, Part 8.

Jason takes Manhattan.

If you can hack it here, you can hack it anywhere.

That's Danny the Wall's alt tagline for the film.

And today we have a very big episode, okay?

We are going to be talking to Adam Pally, whose brand new HBO Max special is currently out, and it is fantastic.

It's called An Intimate Evening with Adam Pally.

We're going to get to all of your corrections and omissions about Jason.

I learned a lot.

You came at us with love, not with hate.

Normally, when we do these movies, you're like, you fucking idiot.

How do you not know about this and that?

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry that we were not versed in the lore, but you came at us with love.

And I'm going to share that love back at you because you know what?

I'm kind of into Jason.

What I learned.

blew my mind.

So we have that coming up too.

And as always, we will reveal the movie for next week's episode.

But before I get too far into things, I got to give a big shout out to Mark Granger for this week's amazing theme.

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I want to say that, you know, last week we learned a lot about Jason, or we made a lot of educated guesses about Jason.

But you know what?

Not all of them are right.

As a matter of fact, some of them downright wrong.

And you let us know, that's right.

You fact-checked us.

And now it is time for you to take the stage in something I like to call corrections and omissions.

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It rocked.

All right, let's go to the Discord.

George Glass writes, as someone that re-watched all the Friday the 13th this this week, the only reference I caught to the actual Friday the 13th date is in the first movie.

It's an offhand super 80-yard line towards the third act where the cop and the owner of the camp talk about how it's a full moon and Friday the 13th.

So all the crazies come out.

Now, my understanding is that Sean Cunningham came up with the poster slash title first, sold the distribution, a la Corman slash Ken Films, then came up with the story and then filmed it cheaply after.

Now I presume that they realized in post the plot had no references to the actual date of Friday the 13th, and it was added just so people wouldn't complain or be confused.

Now, you know, that's really interesting to me because

I'm wondering if at one point

they just had a movie, maybe it's called Camp Crystal Lake, and then

the studio is like, let's release it on Friday the 13th.

It'll be spooky and scary.

So then

because of that, they retroactively make it Friday the 13th.

Because I can't imagine coming up with a concept and then forgetting to add it in, right?

It's like one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing.

I don't buy that.

I buy that the studio released this on Friday the 13th.

And now let me check if that is actually true because I can solve it immediately.

Well, nope, it was May 9th.

I was totally wrong.

And guess what, George?

You were right.

So,

wow.

Okay.

Not going to try to figure out anything more about this franchise because it doesn't make sense.

How do you sell a movie called Friday the 13th?

And then that's the afterthought.

Oh, my God.

Grudlin writes, everyone does their version of the Friday 13th noise, mostly.

But the noise is officially kicky.

Mama, mama, mama.

For Wikipedia, Howie Man Freddie was inspired by the 1975 film Jaws, where the shark is not seen for the majority of the film, but the motif created by John Williams cued the audience as to when the shark was present during scenes in Unseen.

Man Freddie was also inspired to recreate a similar sound for Friday the 13th, and he came up with the sound of kiki kikiki, mama, ma mama, based on the line, killer mommy, killer mommy, which Mrs.

Voorhees recites repeatedly in the final reel.

Killer mommy.

Wow.

Wow.

I'm learning here, people.

I'm learning and I'm loving it.

Danny the Wall.

You remember Danny with the alt movie tagline?

Well, Danny comes back and goes, The Muppets were not the first to take Manhattan.

June's instincts were correct.

The phrase, I'll take Manhattan, is often the starting line for the song Manhattan, which was a part of the great American songbook Canon of Jazz Standards.

The term dates back as far as 1925, so it was a long part of American culture before the Muppets claimed it in 1984 yeah that was a dumb that was a dumb goof up on us to say that the muppets

you're saying this started in 1925 yeah yeah yeah sure sure sure makes sense makes sense uh let's go to the phones hey paul just got done listening to your jason takes manhattan episode and i kind of wanted to answer a question for you guys about uh jason's powers um in the 2017 video game of friday the 13th when you play as jason you can choose which jason from which movie you want to play, and they have different powers or enhanced powers.

And part eight Jason that you can play as, you get enhanced teleportation.

So yes, he can teleport in that movie.

And also a little fun fact about part six, when Tom McLaughlin, the director, was originally hired to direct it, he wanted to make a Chi-Chin Chong crossover.

with Friday the 13th, but Paramount said, absolutely not.

Keep up the good work.

And also, if you do another Friday 13th, maybe definitely do five where it's not even Jason.

Love you all.

Take it easy.

Whoa, whoa.

That's how I responded to your voicemail when I was listening to it.

I love that the Jason in the games, they acknowledge it.

Like everyone knows that this doesn't make sense.

So let's have fun with it.

And I kind of like the idea that every Jason is different.

Every Jason, you know, is a product of its own time, even though most of them came out year after year after year.

But you know what?

You can change in a year.

And Jason doing a crossover with Cheech and Chong is the best fucking idea I've ever heard.

The fact that we did not get that and we got like Jason versus Freddy, which is fine.

Holy shit.

But Cheech and Chong are like Abbot and Costello.

Oh, I am mad.

This makes me as mad as when I heard this week that Adam Driver was going to do a Kylo Ren movie with Steven Soderbergh and Disney said no.

What the fuck, people?

Don't you know a good idea when it hits you,

hits you right in the heart?

Lee from Ontario gave us a call, and guess what Lee said?

Hey, Paul, regarding Jason takes Manhattan, I think I might actually have an answer for Zeux in regards to what is Jason.

So in the ninth Jason movie, Jason goes to hill.

There is a part where the heroes of the movie are in the old Voorhees household.

It's an abandoned old house that we've never seen in any of the other movies.

And one of the guys picks up the Book of the Dead, the Necronomicon from the Evil Dead movies and just kind of like, oh, that's weird and puts it down.

And, you know, I think it was more just at the time supposed to be like a wink to the horror fans, like, hey, look at this.

It's Evil Dead.

We like it too.

But people started thinking, like, maybe that's what Jason is.

Maybe he is a deadite from the Evil Dead movies.

And for people saying, what the fuck is a deadite it's like an evil spirit that can possess the body of a living or a dead person and turns them into like a zombie or like a ghoul kind of thing um and so it was kind of you know not 100 like is jason a deadite but um after freddy vs jason came out and made a lot of money they planned on they wrote a script for it and everything a freddy vs jason vs ash from Evil Dead movie.

So the fact that they were going to actually link them all into a shared universe kind of gives credit to the Jason is a Deadite theory.

They turned that script, I guess, into a comic book or comic book series.

But anyway, there is the closest thing, I think, to an answer that we are going to get regarding what the fuck Jason Voorhees actually is.

Another great collab.

Oh, man.

Jason is a tricky person to put in a mashup movie because he doesn't speak, right?

So you do need that other element, Chee Chin Chong, Ash.

I mean, yeah, Freddie speaks and Freddy's great, but I like a human.

Sorry.

You know, call me what you will.

I enjoy a human in there.

And I know you're going to say, well, Freddie is a human.

I know, but he's not really a human.

He's not like,

I don't, I don't, he's.

He's a ghoul.

He's a ghoul based on a human anyway.

Next up, Stefan from New Brunswick, Canada.

Hi, you were asking about the rules of Jason.

I think Jason M specifically was asking the rules about Jason V.

I'll try to keep this concise because there's a lot.

First movie, he's a jump scare not a dream.

Don't worry about it.

Second and third movie, he's mostly a dude who lives in the woods.

No super strings.

He moves mostly like a person.

Sometimes he's actually agile.

There's a scene where he jumps through a window to surprise some people.

By four, though, he's so methodical, he does seem very Terminatory.

By six, he becomes a ghoul.

The only explanation is he's struck by lightning.

It's uh there's not a lot of people who are beyond that, except I think they get to it in nine and it makes no sense to worry about it.

But anyway, by then he's a lumbering zombie terminator.

In terms of weaknesses, when he's a human, he just has human weaknesses.

When he's a zombie, it's implied he needs to be trapped in the lake and the idea of hydrophobia is introduced.

I think it was in this film, the eighth one.

They actually play that up later.

They contrast that with Freddy Cougar, so that Jason's the water guy and Freddy's the fire guy.

As for what they want, Jason's targets are pretty much anyone who enters his woods.

And three, he seems to be killing for his mother, for whom he has like a shrine of her disembodied head.

Anyway, after that, though, he seems more just like a sentry, just protecting Camp Crystal Lake from any outsiders.

Very territorial, dude.

It's also why stories that take him out of the lake, like especially part eight, don't quite work, because it seems like he would just be killing anyone in his way to get back home instead of like hunting someone down.

So that's why the hand had to concoct the psychic bond between him and the hydrophobic girl.

See,

Stefan, this is what we needed.

A full breakdown.

I appreciate this.

I respect it.

And

I think you bring up some very good points here.

Why take Jason out of the the woods?

I mean,

we don't need to reinvent the wheel.

All we need is a developer who's constantly buying that property and trying to relaunch dumb shit on it.

I think it's fine.

All right, back to the Discord.

Johnny Unusual writes, you guys are mentioning how it's better not to see Jason's face, and I agree, but actually almost every movie has a face reveal except for part seven.

I found this chart to show how inconsistent the look is.

Sorry if you are listening to this because that visual component doesn't help you in an audio audio medium.

But I got to tell you, this is worth looking at.

We're going to put this on our social media because it really is shocking how Jason has changed.

I mean,

odd, odd, odd.

I mean, truly odd.

Maybe what I love about this film is like...

There is no care of consistency whatsoever.

It's not like, oh, they got better at the design and that first version looked cheap.

No, it's just wildly, aggressively different.

Age, height, body, eyes, wild.

All right, Scary Mirage writes, you all mentioned that the kills, especially the ship's crew, seem strangely gore-free.

And that is correct.

Paramount routinely had fights with the MPAA, which routinely demanded cuts in gore and blood to secure an R rating for each Friday film.

Paramount was tired of fighting, cutting, and sometimes even reshooting kills.

So for part eight, they decided to tone down down the kills from the beginning.

You can also see the error that Jason bloodlessly cuts the throat of the captain with the dull side of his machete.

Oops.

Wow, that is fascinating because even in the most bloody Jason films, it's not like that.

I mean, I guess, look, times have changed.

You know,

the Conjuring, they gave it an R rating.

They're like, why?

There's nothing barely scary in here.

And they're like, that's the point.

It's too scary.

So the MPAA is going to mess with you.

And the MPAA, you know, might get Jason at their house.

They better not go to Camp Crystal Lake.

They're going to be wiped out because Jason doesn't like to do reshoots.

Rachel 99.

And I'll say it the way that it's written.

Rachel, 99.

If Jason's job is to protect Camp Crystal Lake, why don't they make a movie where he has to stop developers from turning it into condos?

I'd watch that.

Rachel, I just pitched it.

We are Sympotico, Rachel.

I love that.

Yes.

Why not?

Take it out of the kids and let's kill more adults.

It's like that Woody the Woodpecker movie.

Did anyone see that?

Maybe I'm the only one.

My kid like really liked it and it was upsetting.

It was a Netflix movie.

And he's like, dad, this is funny.

And I had to be like, you know what?

It actually isn't funny.

I don't ever do that to my kids, but that movie was just too dull for me.

I was like, this is not funny.

And it's actually going to make you less funny by watching it.

And he listened.

And you know what?

We watched Anchorman the other night and he was falling off the bed.

Should I show Anchorman to my child?

Here's the thing.

There's a lot of sex talk in all the shows that we watch, and that's about as bad as Anchorman gets.

And it was a great way to kind of talk about,

you know, how to treat members of the opposite sex and how far we have come and gone back to.

Anyway,

so many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one that is truly the best.

And you know what?

I got to say, is it the person who agrees with me that we see the same thing?

I would go with that normally.

I mean, is it Stefan who came in and just like brought forth the true knowledge?

Is it the person who told us about Manhattan?

I mean, honestly, you all killed it, but I have to say,

if I was to wrap up it all in one neat,

like little bow,

what's the fact that I'm going to walk away with?

Well, you're going to be surprised.

It's going to be Gretlin.

It's going to be Gredlin.

It's going to be Gredlin because that kiki kiki mama mama killer mommy is a great dinner table conversation starter, ender.

Who knows?

I love it.

That was great.

And you know what, Gretlin?

You don't get anything you can hold, but you can listen to with your ears.

That's right.

You get this amazing song, or I should say creepy song, from Rob from Long Island.

Hit it.

Look around this room and you see nothing before your eyes.

That's when it hits you.

this creepy song is your only prize you win

now if you want to chime in with your own thoughts you can hit up the discord right but more importantly i want to hear from you i want to hear your voice so give me a call at 619 p-a-u-l-a-s-k619 paul ask

coming up after the break adam pally joins jason manzoukis and i to talk about all things comedy

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Okay, without any further ado, we have a very special guest.

You know this guy from the Sonic world.

That's right, the Sonic the Hedgehog world.

You also know him as one of the stars of Happy Endings.

He is a comedian.

He is an improviser.

He's a writer.

He made a show this past summer that is slept on, in my opinion, called Mr.

Throwback.

It was Adam Pally and Steph Curry.

A great, great show.

Please welcome to Last Looks Mr.

Adam Pally.

Is it this, or could it be that?

A little swing of the cane, a little tip of the hat.

No, it's Jason and Paul, just getting into it all.

And the segment that we call

just chat.

Yeah.

Adam, so good to have you back on the pod.

Not in an official way.

This is a more of a straight interview, but we are so excited.

You are a fan favorite out of this get made.

That's very, that's an what an honor to be.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Secret of the Ooze is a, I feel like a legendary episode of the, of the podcast.

One of our first New York shows, I think, like live New York shows.

That was just lightning in a bottle of like,

my son was hitting Ninja Turtles at the time that we were doing it, and I was very, very

literate in the language of the ooze.

You know, what is your son into now?

Like, what should we gear your next appearance towards?

What do you have expertise in now?

Jesus Christ.

I mean, God for

any of your kids for that.

No, my son is into, he plays defensive line on the football team.

Oh, yeah.

I love this.

It's so cool in New York City.

So it's really cool.

Like, practice is always to me, like the beginning of a romantic comedy or something when I'm waiting to pick him up.

You know, it's like I bump into like another, like a mom.

I'm like, oh, hey, you know, hey, what's going on?

Yeah.

Cause it's like overlooking Tribeca.

It's so beautiful.

But he plays defensive line.

Um, then he he just booked the lead in the play, so he's like

the coolest kid in school, kind of

I love this, and into like and I like that you think the romantic comedy that's happening is for you.

Oh, I'm still it's clearly

happening today.

No, of course, you got it.

It's crazy how I cannot,

I can't get over that in my life.

I guess that's true narcissism.

Like, even when I met him, I'm like, that's just main character.

Yeah, I have it so bad.

When you're unequivocally faced with someone who's excelling at every level and you're like, but I'm scolding.

Well, to be fair, not any of their dads are up on billboards.

You know what I mean?

Sure.

You know, look, it's the journey.

This is the, you know, you're, you're looking at it like, oh, yeah, this is my downside, but then I'm going to be coming up.

This is where, you know, this is where everyone starts to recognize the billboards go up and all of a sudden the rom-com starts.

Exactly.

You know how it goes.

It's like, I'm just getting my confidence back after the car crash that killed my wife because obviously she's dead in this.

Yeah, she has to be dead.

And

now, Pally, I have heard about you doing this show around New York and LA

for a little while now.

And everybody that has seen the show that you have done, which is now going to be a special on HBO, which is out right now that you can watch, came away from it in this way

where they're like, you have to see it.

It is unlike anything.

And I would be in conversation with people.

We're like, well, is it stand-up?

And like, kind of.

It's like, well, is it like, like, well, is he like playing songs?

Like, yeah, kind of.

It's, is it a one-man show?

Kind of.

And the, the one thing that seemed to be the, the common denominator in hearing about this show was this revelation that you have at the very beginning of the show that your

parents were lounge singers.

And I've known you for a very long time.

I never knew that about your parents.

Yeah.

I only, in fact, have known your father as a physician.

I know.

You know, like that, that's the capacity that I feel like I've met him in.

Same.

And it's such an interesting thing to kind of pull out from your past.

And I think that, honestly, that's really the basis that you should go into the special knowing that you, that your parents did this.

And what, like, from what ages were they lounging?

Well, they were, they started their band Pally and Pal while

while my mother was at Hunter University.

Wow.

And so my father had already dropped out of Binghamton.

So like, I'm going to say like 20 and 19.

Oh, wow.

And

yeah, I'll get you.

After I tell the story, I'll get you.

I have their headshots hanging over there, which I'll get you.

You guys are

wild.

But

so, and then they had me relatively young and they and my sister.

So they were like, you know, we lived in Stuyvesantown which was only happened because they were

you know um

they were artists and they had a subsidy to live in Stuyvesantown Stuyvesantown is kind of amazing it's this artist community or you have to make less than like I like a thousand fifty thousand a year yeah and you can live there and it's a pretty amazing idea that that would psych it would allow artists to live in New York City without having to like live in New York City or like or pay the living cost pay the right and that's where we where I grew up.

And then and then when I was around seven or eight, my dad had had a couple of close call auditions and some close call, you know, bookings with music.

And

it just kind of hit him the wrong way.

And he decided he wanted to go back to medical school.

So he went back to medical school at 33.

Wow.

And

isn't it wild that we come from a time?

My stepdad

that my mom remarried later in life, he was a concert pianist and he got a chance to audition for Carnegie Hall

and played, got rejected.

I was like, well, I'll never play piano again and went and went back into studying psychology and just.

never and only would play if no one was in the house.

Right.

Like, it was like, it's such an interesting thing, like, where I think we would be like, oh, we got some close calls.

Yeah.

We're close.

We're close.

That must mean I'm on the right track.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, we were just just talking about a pot like uh uh main character syndrome for me i would still be walking around being like well this bubble's gonna burst any second you know like i got the next one's right around the corner oh wow so did your dad then just become a hobbyist musician or did he stop playing music he stopped playing wow oh oh that's heartbreaking oh wow it was heartbreaking but we we

we had a piano in our house when we when we

we bought an old piano and we moved to Chicago because because he, he owned, he was close.

He, he did enough work that he could get through pre-med in like a year and a half.

And he was really good at it, he found.

So then after pre-med,

he got a scholarship at University of Chicago, which is like a really prestigious

university.

And my mom was like, yeah, let's just, let's go.

And so we moved to Chicago and she worked at a bridal shop in Skokie, Illinois, which actually is still there.

And we shot and used this holding on Mr.

Throwback, which was

so crazy.

It was by the way, Mr.

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Yeah, but like, so that was a thrill to go back to Skokie and like shoot that in like on the street and everything.

But so then we were there

from the time I was like eight till like 11 until he finished medical school, 11, 12, which is why my accent is like

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you know, which is why like sometimes I sound like I'm from the Lower East Side, and then sometimes I sound like I'm from Chicago.

And then at 12, we moved to New Jersey, where he opened up a small practice in Flat Park.

So

it was like, you know, a lot of moving around and stuff, but that was that, that was his

life.

That was the life, you know, it was a different time.

It was like things were more, were easier to do.

Yeah.

You could shift gears.

You could take on debt.

Sure.

You know, like make mistakes.

You could take a chance.

You could take a chance on yourself and go and open a private practice or figure something out, you know?

And the amount of chances he took on himself is wild.

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Now, I will say to you, like, for people who know you from, you know, Happy Endings, Mr.

Throwback, the Sonic movies, like you have.

Dirty Grandma, the infamous Howard Stern's favorite movie.

He talks about it a lot.

He talks about it nonstop.

In earnest.

And here's what I'll say.

That personality that you have is, or you're acting, great.

We love it.

Perfect.

But you on stage is something that I don't know how many people understand or get because I will just say

you, as an improviser, great.

But when you do bits, they are always the most unexpected, weird.

Some might even say like at points can be super aggressive.

Where does it begin?

Where does it end?

We don't know.

And it like I will, there is one bit that I always talk about because it was one of the funniest things.

Rob Puel and I hosted the show called Crash Test.

It was an 11 o'clock

show

that we would do on Monday nights.

So it was a very interesting audience.

And you came out as like Bernie Madoff's son.

This is right after Bernie Madoff.

Right after.

This wasn't like, no, this wasn't like.

Yeah, this was like the week of the story.

100% topical bit.

Yes.

And you proceeded to collect money from the audience for like a trial fund or, you know, for your, you basically do a pyramid scheme with the audience and then left with the money that you collected.

And it is one of the fun.

And people are like, well, he's definitely coming back.

There's going to be a part two of that.

Nope.

It was, you took the money and you left.

And there was this, just this vibe throughout the entire show because you are on pretty early where it's like, well,

but now.

but now and and it no there was never and that to me kind of sums up where you will go, your commitment to bits, your idea for like comedy.

It's one of the most memorable bits in a sea of bits that I've ever seen.

And I feel like this show kind of combines, I think, parts of you that people are very familiar with and parts of you that are.

probably not known to that many people because I don't know if people know what your live bit persona is.

Or like when you and I hosted some event for Jimmy Kimmel and we sang the entourage theme song to Doug Ellen for three minutes, you know, to get him to donate some money.

Turns out we were on the right side of history.

There it is.

And,

you know, and so you, like, I just think that this special is something incredibly unique because it is.

Without giving much of it away, it's, it's you talking about your life.

It's you doing bits.

It's you singing songs like as an homage to your parents.

And it's just this incredibly interesting mix that's kind of surrounded by this dock footage footage that reminded me of like the pilot episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, where you're following Larry getting ready for this big gig.

We're following you.

It's incredibly funny.

These voicemails that you see throughout the show

are great.

And

I was talking to you before we started recording.

I was like, I hesitate to say anything too specific about the show for fear it is a spoiler because from the minute it starts, you are on this journey and you don't know where it's going to end.

And it's funny and the rug is being pulled out.

It's being pushed under.

You have firm control of what you're doing.

I haven't seen a special like this.

And I think that people

who want to see some sort of an interesting, different comedy special.

It's not a stand-up special.

It's not a music special.

And look, I'm going to tell you, I have a thing for comedians putting guitars on.

And

I was prone to not enjoy this.

And I found myself absolutely loving it.

No, it's great.

I think

the special to me highlights one of my favorite things about your comedic persona, which is that you are a deeply unreliable narrator,

especially as it refers to your own life.

And I feel like that is on display, like full stop in this thing.

This thing is top to bottom classic Pally mischief.

And that's what I like about, that's what I love about you is you are a deeply committed mischief maker.

And that, and it's the whole show is so funny, but I just love how you're constantly setting up and undoing yourself.

And that is a delight to watch.

I don't know what to say.

I am

really moved.

You guys are my heroes.

And

it's wild to hear that.

I really like hear your guys' voices in my head whenever I make something.

So it's really nice to

hear that you liked it.

Well, it's incredibly unique in a sea of things where people are like starved for

what's different how do you create something that's alive how do you create something that feels like

I think what Jason and I love

maybe I'm not it's like this idea like you can't always communicate like these I these shows that we see that we love right because they're not just they're not perfect for TV but you created something that I think speaks to a special but also feels incredibly intimate and and yeah incredibly unique But it's also, it's yours.

Like it watching it, and you had even, we've taught, you and I have talked about it, what the show is.

And in a way, I was like, oh, I wish we hadn't talked about it only so that I could receive it because what it, like, what a delight.

It really is.

It is you.

Yeah.

You know, in every way.

It doesn't even like to even be like, oh, there's these jokes or there's these songs or there's this.

This is just a pally show.

And that is pretty rad.

I, again, like, I

feel seen.

You know, I was really

wanted to have something.

I feel like you guys understand it, especially coming from the world that we do.

It's like, I need people usually, I always need people to like do what I do.

And sometimes that can be incredibly frustrating when you, when you don't have access to, to the people that you want, you know, or anybody sometimes.

And so I just wanted to like make something that was like

felt, it was like somebody's album or, you know what I mean?

Where it's like you, you look at a moment in time of like

a Bob Dylan record or something.

And you're like, oh, that's what, that's what was that in that moment in time for that person.

Incredible.

And part of me feels like

that's what these specials should be.

right?

Like or some of their version of them.

Like they don't all have to be like that.

Like they're the most amazing joke writers of all time.

But like I look at Anthony Jeselnick's last special and I was like, really, really

inspired by that.

Like, he,

he's a joke machine, but then he goes deeper and it's like, you know, but it's all him.

And it's like,

again, like you could put, you know, it's like you can visualize the jacket and you can visualize the

image and you're like, oh, that's that record.

And I, I didn't, I never had anything like that.

I just had.

the these moments that we've had on stage that were created to go away.

Right.

Yes, our chosen art form is ephemeral.

You know, like everything we've done, I mean, not everything, obviously.

We've all been on TV and stuff like that.

But like the vast, vast, vast majority of hours logged for us are improv shows.

Ephemeral that night only.

Nobody's taping it.

Nobody sees it again.

And that's sad.

Both of you guys, like, I've seen, like, Jason, I mean, you, Jason, you've made me cry doing an improvised scene with Jessica.

You know,

we're literally the audience is like gasping for air, laughing, and then the next moment hysterically like crying and holding them because of something you said, you know, that like caught to the point.

And Paul, like

the first joke I ever saw in improv was,

I can recount it to you now, which is like, I would say we put it up there in the hall of fame of like Simpson's jokes, which was the, it was a Respecto scene.

And Hubel, there was like this horrible thing happened in a village and Hubel was running away from the village and someone put down a sign that was like, don't go this way, go the other way.

And then someone put down another sign after it that was like, that last sign is a liar, go this way.

And then you came out and were like, affordable signs to build and sell.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, like, and that's all good.

No one,

I mean, like, the audience for both those shows, probably 11 people, maybe.

Like, you you know and like I was there and it was like

lightning and it's like genius, but you don't but no one gets to they take it with them in the feet in the feeling of it and they try to recount it, but it like doesn't hit the spot.

Well, this is why I love that like improv and different types of shows now are getting more traction.

Like it used to just be like the only way you could go out on the road is to do a stand-up show.

Then I think podcasts entered into that equation.

And now I think it's expanding to bit shows, you know, shows like, you know, we're doing improv.

Like the idea of doing improv on the road, I think the joke was early on in those moments where we were all doing this, like, you could never take this on, there's nothing here to take on the road.

Like, what are you, what are you selling?

And, and it's so, I think, but people just want this idea of a moment.

Like, we experience something together.

It's incredibly unique.

No one else will get it.

And I love stand-up.

And I think it's, it doesn't doesn't take anything away from stand-up, but it allows you to go like, oh, if you saw five improv shows in five different cities, it would feel like a completely different show.

And that's part, and the audience makes that up.

Everything makes that up.

And this show that you did, your special

captures that vibe.

And I think it's the intimacy of the dock crew that you have following you to get you.

behind the scenes of the artifice of what this even is,

you know, what a special is.

And then

I think that that's something that I think other people have done, but you do it in a way where you are aware of that camera and making it very entertaining and not like also a navel gazey, because I've seen that too, like the serious version of the doc behind the thing.

No, yeah, yeah.

No, well, I think it's also, well, two things.

Well, musically, and Jason, we talked about this a lot.

Like, you know, I am a hip, like,

not even a hippie, nouveau hippie of, of that generation of like fish and the dead and

Dave Matthews and Pearl Jam and like that

there's a feeling you get specifically for jack white to white stripes like there's a feeling you get from going to those shows where you don't know the set list before right and you know and it's like it creates a community because the people

like who saw it one night are telling you this could be it and then and then they're saying this could be it and this could be it and it's all these there's a question there that's unanswered until the the lights go down and

even

the best stand-up comedians, that question is answered beforehand, even though you're not hearing the material because of the format.

Right.

Because it's jokes.

It's one person with a microphone.

It's presented in this way where it's like, this is my act.

This is this year's act.

And this is next year's act.

And this is my act.

And you're getting what Des Moines got, but you might get it a little better because I learned what laughs or didn't, but you're getting the same act.

and

part of that is is like you know what we came up like I would rebel against that all the time I'd be like well I can't do that right classic classic palik

but I would I'd be like I can't I can't even imagine myself doing that you know what I mean and then as you get older you're like oh well that's an art like that's a Broadway show that's a one-man show that is a talent that is so specific those lines are memorized those emphasises are the timing is perfect it's been worked it's been rehearsed, it's been figured out.

And, and what I like about a jam band is that it's not.

And so you're, it's like, well, how do I take, how do I get that feeling of, of, of, of, well, of what we do into that?

I think it's like, well, I'm leaving the house and I'm paying money.

So why is this special?

Because if you can go, if you go pay money to see a movie, it's going to be out.

on you can watch it at home within the course of probably three weeks so it's like why are you making me go out And it's like, well, why are you making me come out to see this comedy show?

It's going to be, it's, and again, they're all different, obviously.

Like you could go see, you know, the same material and it's done and it's fine.

But it's like, but there's something about these shows that feel more alive.

And in a way that it's just like, oh, maybe he'll fuck up.

Maybe this will go off the rails.

I don't know.

And I think you keep elements of that this show feels, it's only, it's shot in one day, but it, it doesn't feel crisp around the edges.

Well, I wouldn't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think one of the things that I really loved about it is

not, is the special, because the special, inclusive of the show and the black and white documentary scenes, is what this is to me, which is a perfectly shaggy hangout special.

But the idea that you cannot, because of licensing issues, show you guys actually excelling at playing the songs,

because unequivocally the thing you're you're there and are doing the best, playing these songs very well, clearly you've got Dave Hill there.

You've got a great band there.

You're not allowed to show that.

So all we get access to is your

fragile mind and the everything.

It's like my recollection.

Right.

It's like you're telling someone about the show, which is kind of brings it back to what I was saying.

This is the show that so many people have talked to me about as you've been doing it.

Have you seen Pally's show?

Oh, yeah, that was great.

Oh, Mike, he did this.

He did that.

Every different person, because I think it felt like, oh, he's gearing up for something.

I don't know what.

And you, in the past, you've done this too.

Didn't you have like a show where you were doing like wine tasting and clothes shopping?

You're like, yeah, like, you know, like, you know, so, like, you know,

remind me, Pally, will you just tell us about the movie you did with Fred Armison and Zoe Lister Jones?

Yeah, it was called Band-Aid, which Zoe wrote and directed and did everything,

the music and everything.

And I had to learn again.

Like, I got the part

by playing a song.

Like, you know,

it wasn't necessarily an audition process, but it was like, can you play a song and sing?

And I have rudimentary guitar skills from like being in high school and playing, you know, in a couple bands.

But because your dad did not want you to, like, your dad.

My dad did not teach me.

He did not want to.

Like, when you say that in the special, it made me laugh so hard when you said, like, like, your dad, like, your dad could have, like, yes, given you a little something, but no i missed that i will say this the part in the special where you and your dad play together is wonderful and hilarious oh yeah i love that i love that moment and i love the moment after where i'm yelling at him and then it gets like a little tense is like one of my favorite moments in the special uh but um

but yeah no i i

i had to learn again how to do it and then i had to learn how to blend a band and then we did these shows these like big shows and that was this was like 10 years ago and it was like really eye-opening because i was like oh i i like this and and and i've i've always been embarrassed that i play guitar

uh and and because of paul like what what you said like i'm the most hypercritical of every comedian on the planet right like i i anything that is foreign to me i immediately don't like i'm like you know what i mean like it's like i need to be warmed up and so i've all had that thought a million times where I'm like, what am I going to do?

Go out on stage and play guitar.

Like,

like, that's not comedy.

That's, you know, what a crutch, you know, and like, um,

and I think I, I, I changed on that view

because of

like exactly we were saying before, it's like,

well, who cares?

Right.

You know, and if this is part of the premise of what I'm doing, then you got to pick up a guitar.

Yeah.

And, and that was kind of, and it was kind of like, I don't know, it was kind of like being like, yeah, I am one of these guys.

You know, well, now, let me ask you this.

I don't want to put you on the spot here, but you did workshop this primarily at the Rihad Comedy Festival.

Now, I do want to give you a moment to just talk about why you went there.

You know, just get that off your chest.

You know, I want to, I don't want to, I want to just hear it from you.

Well, I went there for money.

I went there for money.

No, no.

No, he's Adam is not there.

No, I have not been.

I'm hesitant even to make a joke.

Like, I don't even know.

Paul, you did say you had three gotchas for Pat.

Yeah, I got you.

I got two more.

Two more coming up.

Two more coming up.

Don't worry.

I space them out.

So again, comfortable again.

You did talk about...

No, but that's just because you did like the Fox News show.

You talk about being uncomfortable, and I will tell you that

one of the things that has caused so much drama in my household is a show that you are currently on right now, The Great American Baking Show, the Celebrity Halloween Edition.

It's you, Patton Oswald, Leslie Jones, and Rachel Dratch, hosted by our friend, friend of the show, Casey Wilson and Andrew Reynolds.

Yes.

Now, June,

I think

we will be the first to say this show gave her.

like a full-on panic attack, nervous breakdown, so much so that we have not watched it.

We're not allowed to watch it.

Has June's come out?

Oh, yes.

It's yeah, June's came out.

They warned me about June.

Yeah, see, on Roku.

Yeah, June.

I was, first of all, I was, I wear this with a badge of honor.

People brought June's name up to me behavior-wise

many times.

See, I love it.

I like that.

They hadn't seen my sort of behavior since June.

So I wear that with a badge.

Well, that makes me now want to watch this because I'm not allowed to watch the other one.

So you can watch that on the Roku channel.

And what a great crew!

Because you have Pat and leslie and drach on there that's

so fun and so stressful like i will i do empathize with june like it is stressful like you think it's going to be casual and you think it's going to be but then they're extremely harsh about the judging which hurts no matter what right like and the judges are the same as it's still hollywood and crew right but it's not like celebrity jeopardy where the questions are toned down it's like the same thing it's not easy like what ike barenholtz has to do on chef yeah no i see those questions.

That dude didn't graduate high school.

You're telling me celebrity Jeffrey Illuminati.

But yeah, like it was totally true.

I was totally stressed out.

There's so many rules.

There's so many B's.

You're cooking outside for God knows why reason.

Like,

I don't understand why they do that.

Like, and it's just production is hell.

There's like hay fever, like British hay fever.

Everyone's like sniffling and being like, Ryan, we're doing this in the lowest possible time.

well then why why why do this we don't need the tent isn't part of the show anyway that that is uh like again

that is but it was a blast out on roku and your podcast with uh gabris has uh been a delight to listen to you two together i love gabris i love you oh he's the funniest thank you uh and you guys it's called staying alive uh and yes it's basically you're talking to

some wellness experts you're also talking to some people about how they stay

how to stay healthy.

You're getting to a certain age.

There's a moment where you're just kind of, I was listening to Flanny talk about this.

Flanny, who runs Largo, was on Mark Maron.

It's a great listen.

If you've not heard that, it's awesome.

But just like you get to a certain age and you start to worry about these, these things.

Like, what do I have?

What do I try to get?

What am I trying to get rid of?

And how do I do better?

And I love the podcast because it's one of these podcasts I think you can take away valuable things from without it being like, oh my God, I'm about to die or

I'm so freaked out that I'm changing everything in my life.

Well, it's got that thing, which is, it's a great, it's about health and wellness and all that kind of stuff in that space, but it's hosted by YouTube dummies,

which is all I really want to hear is you and Gabris chopping it up.

Sometimes it's with a scientist or a doctor or an expert, and then sometimes it's with Mike Mitchell from Doughboys or Carl Tart or people that you guys know and hang out with, but nonetheless are still going to talk talk about their, their well, you know, like how, how, um, how in shape they are or whatever, you know, whatever version of their health journey.

And that's what's fun is to hear it through your guys' lens.

Absolutely.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Like, well, we don't know what we're doing and we don't, we're not, you know, I feel like the average person is just trying to

swim, like swim through a sea of ads and recommendations and, you know, doctors prescriptions and non-doctor prescriptions.

It's like the, the, and, and everyone just wants,

everyone's just scared of dying, which is so empathy.

Like,

you know, it's just, that's, that's all it is.

Everyone's just so scared of dropping dead.

And so we'll, we'll do anything to like prolong that.

And I, the same.

And so talking about that thing is kind of freeing in a way because

we're all walking around with our little medicine bags, you know, with our little routines, but we don't want to.

Oh, you mean my AMPM pill case that now sits on my kitchen cabinet?

Oh my God, you should see mine.

I, I, I take pills as the amount of pills that I take daily, I should be sitting in a nursing home with a bike helmet on.

But like, I just don't want to keel over yet.

Yes.

Part of the problem is our, the, the, the, the, we're so focused on billionaires and extreme wealth and all of this kind of stuff.

And all of those people believe that their money is going to keep them alive forever.

And what everybody should instead be recognizing is we are all gonna die.

And we should, I wish all the billionaires were like, let me instead demonstrate how to live a full life and how to die responsibly.

Wouldn't that be great?

Well, and by the other way, the other thing is like, hey, look, I guess I'm going to live a forever and I will be so fucking miserable because my days are spent not enjoying anything.

It doesn't seem like there's any joy in their life.

It's like just to live.

Like, and I've seen a lot of older people.

So cool.

You've seen a lot of older people?

That's awesome.

Oh, I mean, well, I pay for it.

I pay for it.

And I'm, and I get great footage.

I get exclusive stuff.

But like, the truth is, is like, well, what good are you if you're alive and none of your friends are?

Right.

Like, it's like it's progressively more and more lonely.

It's not like, oh, I don't want to die today.

Of course, you don't want to die today.

But, you know, at a certain point, you're like, well,

I think I've done my time here.

I've figured it out.

I'm ready to go.

Do you remember the scene in White Lotus where the last one where like there's a party going on and the dude is just like sitting in the house in Thailand, the older guy, and he's like watching and he knows that his, that his like young French wife is off with the boys.

And like that reminds me of like the Jeff Bezos wedding.

Yeah.

Right, right, right, yeah.

You know what I mean?

Where it's just like, he's 40 years older than every guest at that wedding.

And they're just like partying and spending money.

And I doubt he has like like more than like one or two close friends there.

The rest are just like celebrities or billionaires or whatever that like interact with him transactionally and stuff like that.

But they're no matter how full the night was, there was a moment where he was sitting there alone and he was like, holy shit, I'm going to die.

You know,

it used to be that it took a show like Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous or something to give us access to the extreme wealth, to pull the curtain behind.

Like, you know, it used to be when you got to be that rich or wealthy it meant that you could retreat from society you could retreat from you could buy a private island you could retire gauche it was gauche to show people what your house and now to not just not just is it like so in fashion to demonstrate so outrageously your wealth demonstrably show it all the time on social media or whatever it's also weird that all these billionaires now that they are so wealthy all they want to do now is be so popular yeah they just want to be loved they want to be loved across the board and immortal yeah and they want to live they and because it's like every and they want to be funny because i think they think they're outrunning their old selves in a lot of ways it's like the longer i stay around the less people remember what i was and this is who i am now and i'm not even that person anymore a lot of them are so delusional you know what i mean like so i i that's the the one of the most fun things about the podcast is like finding out that a lot of the health industry is like snake oily.

Yeah.

Well, it's always been.

I mean,

I mean, it's like this idea of like this, the diets, the diets that are going to change everything, you know, and it's, and I always think like whenever I see somebody do it, I'm like, well, at the end of the day, just like exercise a little bit and just try to have a little restraint.

You don't have to go full on anything, but people are like, no, no, now my whole life is only this.

And then that lasts for six, eight months or two weeks or whatever it is.

And then you go, you fall back.

It's like, it's, it's built to kind of pull you back in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

One of the things I like about the podcast, too, is, again, you guys are just, it's, it's one of the things that's on display so much is the same thing that I loved about 101 Places to Party Before You Die.

Oh my gosh.

The travel show that you and Gabris also did for that, I believe is maybe now on HBO Max.

Yeah, HBO.

Okay.

I cannot recommend it enough.

I've recommended it on this show before.

It's fantastic because it's a travel show.

And of course, I love a travel show.

but really what I loved about it is it is a show about

male friendship.

We are, we talk all the time right now about like, oh, loneliness epidemic, men have no friends, men don't know how to have friends.

The, you and Gabris are so effortlessly demonstrating male friendship in a way that is so fun and also so funny on that show.

And I feel like that comes through into the podcast as well, but also then is in service of, you know, talking to experts and talking to to doctors and all this other stuff, but in a way that's so much more approachable than if you just were to dial up a, another interview with that same, if you were like, I want to talk to a sleep doc, I want to hear a podcast with a sleep doctor because I'm having trouble sleeping.

I'm at the version of it that you guys do, incredible, you know,

because that's, you know, I want to hear two regular guys try to parse this out for themselves.

You know, truly no joke.

Truly no

freaking joke.

Like one of the hardest things to crack.

And I feel like true an American struggle.

Like,

I know it happens around the world, but

like we are not addressing like people dying in their sleep.

Yeah.

No, it's crazy.

But, you know, and that's, those are the kind of conversations that I think are necessary, especially for middle-aged guys like us.

But boy, is it fun to listen to you and Gabris chop it up with people.

I'm obsessed with it.

I just want what we talk about.

It's what, whenever I see a friend and they look good, I'm like, what are you doing?

What's going on over here?

It's normalizing that kind of conversation that I think, especially

men, don't have.

I don't want to generalize it too much, but I think that that's, it's, it's a good, it's a good thing out there.

And it's one of many good things, Adam, because right now we can watch your special.

We can listen to your podcast.

We can watch you bake on the level of June, which makes me more excited than anything.

Well, I don't know how bake, behave.

Behave.

Got it.

Got it.

Got it.

um well i am so happy dudes thank you so much i'm sorry i cried again i feel like every time you guys have me on i cry but it's really caught me off guard and i i uh

love the show is great you are fantastic always doing

such great great stuff you're the best buddy i love you thank you all right love you buddy Thank you, Jason and Adam, for just chatting with me.

But now it's finally time to announce our next movie.

Next week, we'll be going from a Jason in Manhattan to a Jason on Mars?

Wait, what?

Are we doing Freddy in Space?

Oh, no, no, no.

We're doing Jason Statham on Mars because we're watching the 2001 film, John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars, starring Jason Statham, Ice Cube, Natasha Hendrich, Clea Duvall, and Pam Greer.

I've never seen this movie, and I am so excited.

Here's IMDB's breakdown of the plot.

200 years in the future, a Martian police unit is dispatched to transport a dangerous prisoner, but when the team arrives, they find the town deserted and the remaining inhabitants possessed.

Oh hell yes.

Oh, well now, oh hell no, because I just saw that Rotten Tomatoes gives this film a 23 score on the tomato meter.

And Bruce Fettz from Entertainment Weekly said, it's disheartening to see the master of horror bringing himself to both write and direct a film with such a prepubescent understanding of horror.

Ooh, Bruce!

That one hits low.

Don't do that to John Carpenter.

He demands your respect.

By the way, I had a friend who saw him in concert.

That dude is the best.

You ever see him just smoke cigarettes and just play video games and talk to Robert Rodriguez?

He's the coolest motherfucker of all time.

I love John Carpenter, and I will not have anyone speaking ill of him, but we will speak ill of this movie.

You can stream Ghost of Mars on the Roku channel, but don't just stream it yet.

Why don't you get a little taste of it by listening to the trailer?

It was supposed to be a routine prisoner transport.

Williams was arrested on the suspicion of murdering six rail workers.

The bodies were hung and decapitated.

But here,

a million miles from home.

Hello?

They're about to discover.

Nothing is what it seems.

What the hell is going on out there?

Whatever used to live here, we woke it up.

It It takes us.

I'm talking about a kind of possession.

Go!

Get out of here!

Don Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars.

All right.

Now, the Ghost of Mars is not just available on the Roku app.

It's also available on Get This, the Criterion channel.

Yes, and Apple TV as well as Amazon Prime.

In addition, I encourage you to check out Hoopla, Canopy, and Libby.

Oh, I love Libby, which are digital media services offered by your local public library that allow you to consume movies, TV, music, audiobooks, e-books, and comics for free.

All right, that is it for Last Looks.

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And a big thank you to our producer, Scott Sanny, Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer, Averill Halley, as well as our engineer, Casey Holford, and our brand new intern, Quinn Jennings, who worked tirelessly on this episode.

We'll see you next week for John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars.

Wow, it's hard to do two plurals back to back.

All right, next week, bye for now.

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