This Is The Reason (A Long International Nightmare) (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Goodness. Wow.
Las Culturistas.

Speaker 2 Ding-dong. Las Culturistas.

Speaker 1 My girl crossed her arms before I counted down for the opening of this very fabulous podcast, Las Culturistas. Can you talk about your body language for a bit?

Speaker 2 So we're going to get into lots of stuff that happened on our trip to Europe, but let's just say, suffice it to say, right now, I am still without my bags. I am still without my bags from the trip.

Speaker 2 I am recording this podcast episode on an old microphone. It's a very long story.
They did lose my bags three times on this trip. I still do not have them.
My podcast mic is in there.

Speaker 2 And I just got word, just got word before we started that actually ITA Airways, ITA Airways, which is like the Italian airline, I guess. Sky team.
Sky team,

Speaker 2 they, because of their, I don't know, a failure in how they do what they do, my bag is sitting at LAX.

Speaker 2 And if I don't get there in a few hours to be able to like pick my bag up, they're going to send it to Central Bag in Atlanta or something. It's just been a complete nightmare.

Speaker 2 And I am someone who's gone through life without ever losing any bags until this trip when my bag was lost in three different cities.

Speaker 1 It really makes you go,

Speaker 1 why check a bag ever?

Speaker 2 Oh, honey. And first of all, I want to say, let me not erase the fact that Bo and Yang's bag was also lost.

Speaker 1 But honey, I am

Speaker 1 really making space for my sister here because what you have gone through feels like I felt like fucking Sandra Bullock at the end of gravity when I got home from this hellish journey, tumbling through the void.

Speaker 2 I'm literally picturing you just like trying to learn to use your feet again, like in your apartment, like while in the background it's like, oh,

Speaker 2 God,

Speaker 1 I need to watch that movie again.

Speaker 2 That is the iconic score of gravity, which is just like a woman screaming in the back, like,

Speaker 2 I'm just like, I love it. And you know what?

Speaker 2 Like, what a beautiful moment to illustrate the power of women and cinema with that sustained belt as Sandra Bolek pulled herself up off that nasty beach that she crash-landed on from space, honey, while she after she was careening.

Speaker 1 Wow, Sandra, Sandra, you did that.

Speaker 2 You

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, but Bo, what's 10 minus two?

Speaker 1 What is the number of badges per Pokemon region?

Speaker 2 Bitch,

Speaker 2 how many continents plus one?

Speaker 2 Girl.

Speaker 2 How many planets now that they took Pluto out?

Speaker 1 How many studio albums does Beyonce have?

Speaker 2 Cut to me counting.

Speaker 1 I think that's right, right? Hold on. Let me see.
Cowboy Carter is the eighth studio album.

Speaker 2 Thank God. Wow.
Okay, it is. Okay, I was going to say, can we do it? Okay, yeah, here we go.
Well, are they counting the one with Jay-Z? I never really do that. Okay, no, here we go.

Speaker 2 Dangerously in London. Dangerously, B-Day.

Speaker 1 B-Day, Sasha Fierce, Sasha Fierce.

Speaker 1 Four. Self-titled, Lemonade, Renaissance, and Kelby Carter.
So that, yeah. Perfect.
Not even counting the Carters. Not even counting any joint albums.

Speaker 2 Which I personally, that's my canon. Like, when I think about Beyoncé, I think of her as having eight studio albums, for sure.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 1 and let's get back on the subject of your bag. So I'm just going to, I'm just going to supplement Matt's experience here by saying that when we get to Amsterdam, all very excited to see Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 First of all, our flight was delayed by a few hours, no problem. The six of us were posted up in the Delta Lounge.
It happens. Peeking, whatever, it happens, no problem.
But we get to Amsterdam.

Speaker 1 And we got to say,

Speaker 1 away,

Speaker 1 what a wonderful luggage company that has really served us a nice streamlined design for several years now.

Speaker 1 It's gotten to the point where, at least in America, at least in the States, too many people have them. And there are only a limited amount of colorways

Speaker 1 so that you are bound to get your bag mixed up with someone else's, which is exactly what happened to Matt.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I can no longer encourage people to buy this product because it has no longer become tenable

Speaker 2 in, you know, carousel, in baggage carousels, because what had happened was

Speaker 2 we get to the baggage carousel in Amsterdam and my bag does not come out and i think okay it's okay i'm not gonna panic then i see someone else's bag not even on the carousel off the carousel

Speaker 2 with a name tag on it that has someone's full name and by the way this is a dark blue standing hard case away bag And it had a bright orange tag on it that said this woman's full name and all of her information.

Speaker 2 And I thought, let me call this number because I'm sure she just took my bag thinking it's hers.

Speaker 1 But then, what's the fucking point of buying the orange tag? Is my honey?

Speaker 2 This is where I start to get really frustrated. Cornering.
And you know how frustrated I got because what did I do to that carousel?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't want to, I didn't want to say this.

Speaker 2 I want to show up today in my truth. Okay.

Speaker 1 Bless you, sister. And I respect you to the mountains and back.

Speaker 1 My sister, Matt Rogers, in his expression of anger, kicked the the carousel.

Speaker 2 I kicked it.

Speaker 1 But that's okay.

Speaker 2 It's like, you know, I'm being dead ass.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 anytime someone like punches a wall, you know, Adam drivers it.

Speaker 1 Like anytime someone like hits, thank God it's not a living thing, but like, you know, you know, Matt, this is someone, and I will speak on Matt's athletic prowess in another story, in another travel anecdote that happened on this trip.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 Yes, I know.

Speaker 1 But Matt really kicked the girl and it gagged us. We were like,

Speaker 1 she's angry. And she has every right to be.

Speaker 2 Suffice it to say, we got in touch with the woman who immediately burst into tears

Speaker 2 and her boyfriend, because she couldn't face me. Her boyfriend came back with the bag and it was like a, yeah, thanks.
And thank God.

Speaker 2 But can I ask a question? How? And if you are the kind of person who does this and listens to this podcast, I need you to turn off the podcast. And if you're driving, you need to drive off the road.

Speaker 2 You need to Steve Carell in Morning Show because anyone that just goes to that carousel, grabs a bag that they think is theirs and doesn't check the bag tag to make sure in a world where away luggage is everywhere and everyone has pretty much the same bag, you are a monster.

Speaker 2 Because this added a lot of time and a lot of stress. And thankfully, like at least prior to the trip, you had your wits about you because you put a bag tag on your luggage.

Speaker 2 If only you had thought to use that bag tag. So, a couple hours later, we finally get it back.
And honestly, Amsterdam was lovely, was it not?

Speaker 1 Amsterdam was so lovely.

Speaker 2 Taylor Swift, the woman that you are,

Speaker 1 you are fucked up for singing Archer into Question for your piano, and not to mention Guiltiest Sin into Untouchable, which is so underrated.

Speaker 2 I can't describe

Speaker 2 what it felt like. First of all, it's kind of like it's even higher stakes than like waiting to find out if you won an award.
It's actually, you know what I would liken it to?

Speaker 2 I would liken it to the finale of American Idol, when the final two contestants are standing there, locked arm in arm, looking at the floor, like weighing their future.

Speaker 2 That's what it feels like before Taylor Swift starts to sing one of the surprise songs. And when she started guilty as sin on July 4th, 2024, I felt like Kelly.

Speaker 2 I felt like when they said the words Kelly Clarkson.

Speaker 1 And that you were Kelly Clarkson herself.

Speaker 2 We all were.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah. I mean, I think we all experienced chemically, like on a neurological level, like what Kelly Clarkson must have felt like the day that she won American, the moment she won American Idol.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 my.

Speaker 2 We collapsed. God.

Speaker 2 Bowen, I think the last time I felt that way was when we were there and she did clean.

Speaker 1 No, you, but you also felt felt that way when she did

Speaker 1 death by a thousand cuts. You said, in your famous words, as if a great leader had passed away, which literally

Speaker 2 75,000 people screaming, wailing at the sky like we had lost someone who was crucial to the success of our humanity. Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 But in a positive way. Like no one could believe it.
Guilty as sin starts coming out of her mouth.

Speaker 2 Holy shit.

Speaker 2 To say nothing of how good the tortured poets section was. And can you just talk about this?

Speaker 1 This is what we want to say.

Speaker 1 If there has been any doubt, no doubt that has been born out of us and the way we've talked about tortured poets department on this podcast. Nope.
Seeing it live, it all fucking just clicked.

Speaker 1 I really love that album. I adore it now after seeing it live and seeing just like,

Speaker 1 I don't know, on a a shrooms level, I was like, well, this is perfect.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, I get it. She wrote a 1975 album and she just, she wrote a better 1975 album than Maddie could have ever written.
It's so cool what she's done.

Speaker 2 That's all. There was a moment where.
After the torture poets section in the Aristotle, so after I Can Do It With a Broken Heart, which by the way, is the moment of the whole show.

Speaker 2 I mean, the production is nuts on it. Bowen turns to me and he goes, I feel like I already loved it, but now I truly get this album.
And I just toss over my shoulder, she's depressed.

Speaker 2 And then Bowen goes, Bowen goes, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 I was like, she was depressed.

Speaker 2 She got love bombed and then she wrote an album about it. You're actually also getting me fresh out of therapy.

Speaker 1 Fresh out the slammer.

Speaker 2 So I said to my therapist today, I was like, so, because I didn't know if I told you this, but I've known for a couple of years now that there's something about midnights for me.

Speaker 2 And anytime any, by the way, someone that we're very close with, I would never say their name calls it Flop Nights.

Speaker 1 And I'm shaking my head.

Speaker 2 What I have to say about Midnights,

Speaker 2 Midnights is that girl. And Midnights

Speaker 2 is my last relationship.

Speaker 2 Every single song speaks to that experience.

Speaker 2 I had this epiphany the other night where I was like listening to it because I've been watching like, they do this stupid shit on YouTube where it's like, I listen to Midnight for the first time.

Speaker 2 I listen to folklore for the first time. Like, and that's just how I choose to turn my brain off lately.
And someone did it with Midnights and was breaking it down.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, oh my God, I lived this. I lived this album.

Speaker 1 And you've talked about this in therapy.

Speaker 2 Oh, extensively today. And then I was like, and then I feel like Tortured Poets is a perfect hangover after Midnights.

Speaker 1 I think Midnights is her strongest concept.

Speaker 1 It's not my favorite. It's her best concept to me.
If we talk about Taylor Swift, the concept album artist.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I love that you have made this connection in your own life.

Speaker 2 It will always be important to me because literally Lavender Haze into Maroon, into Anti-Hero,

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 identify with. And into Snow at the Beach, which by the way, Justice for Snow at the Beach, that song is fucking amazing.

Speaker 2 I think it's even better when they released the version with even more Lana Del Rey. That's an even better version.
And then until you're on your own kid, and then it's in Midnight Rain.

Speaker 2 I said, no, this album is.

Speaker 2 And then forget about it. Bone, what was your favorite part of the concert?

Speaker 1 Be honest. Bejeweled.

Speaker 2 Bejeweled. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's always going to be bejeweled.

Speaker 2 Just,

Speaker 1 I mean, just even the bracelets lighting up around the stadium into jewel tones, the way that all of these gems like on the screen. morph into her face.
I'm like, come on. Like, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 It's such an important moment in the concert because guess what? You, and I'm talking to you, the readers. I'm definitely talking to you, the Katies.
I know you need this. You need to hear this.

Speaker 2 Everyone needs to hear this. You can still make the whole room shimmer.
You can.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Best believe you are still bejeweled.

Speaker 1 This woman, I have it on good authority, did our show with the situs infection.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 She was wiping away snot and I can confirm.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 1 I find it so refreshing because it's like seeing Jonathan Groff spit at the whole audience. It's like being in the splash zone at Merrily We Roll Along.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, these people have fluids inside of them just like you and me.

Speaker 2 It's rule of culture number 18. Yeah.
These people have fluids inside of them just like you and me.

Speaker 1 You know what I was talking about this with Lily Gladstone? There is nothing wrong with talking about shit or toilet humor, quote unquote, or poop, piss,

Speaker 1 things coming out of your mouth, because that is, those are actually the only universal human experiences.

Speaker 2 100,000%. More people shit than feel happy, sad, excited, surprised, and more angry.
Like everyone shits. Not everyone feels every emotion.
And you know, there's some sociopaths out there.

Speaker 2 They might not feel every emotion. They might not have empathy, but they do shit.
And that is the equalizer.

Speaker 1 That is the equalizer.

Speaker 2 She 100%

Speaker 2 during cruel summer at the end when she's going with you

Speaker 2 with you

Speaker 2 she tossed her shoulder over and she looked she knew where you were and she gave us a with you

Speaker 2 and we screamed we screamed taylor

Speaker 1 love her anyway brava to taylor okay so we do amsterdam then july 5th we're supposed to board our flight to catania which is on the eastern coast of Sicily. We get to the airport.

Speaker 1 We lounge in the lounge, as you do,

Speaker 1 looking forward to our trip. Matt and I had checked our bags along with some of our other friends.
And we go to the lounge.

Speaker 1 Then we get to the gate after some delays, which we don't think anything of.

Speaker 1 Just, I think it was three or four delays total, just like little inching delays, like 30 minutes, 30 minutes, 30 minutes, 30 minutes, two hours all told.

Speaker 2 We were like, no problem.

Speaker 1 We get to the gate.

Speaker 1 I look at the monitor and see that the flight is canceled.

Speaker 2 Canceled. What? Hmm.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, what do we do? Then we all go back to the lounge.

Speaker 1 On the way back to the lounge, all of us pull up our phones and see that all of our flights have been rebooked to different flights, essentially, except Matt and I have been booked to the same one because we booked our flights basically together on the same confirmation.

Speaker 1 These rebookings are for like not like a few hours later, but like two days later.

Speaker 2 Days later. So then we think, oh, there must be something really wrong.
And also this can't be right. So we go to the lounge and we ask the women working

Speaker 2 at our airlines lounge like, hey. Do you know what's going on with these flights? Oh, yes, all those flights have been canceled.

Speaker 2 And the woman who will go down in history as one of the great deliverers of any lines ever for all time turns to us and says,

Speaker 2 it is because the volcano has erupted. It is the eruption.
This is the reason.

Speaker 1 Six gay men face cracked all at once.

Speaker 2 This is the reason.

Speaker 2 I said, anytime you ever deliver bad news from now on, you have to end it with

Speaker 2 this is the reason, title of that. It is the volcano.
It has erupted.

Speaker 2 This is the reason.

Speaker 1 Now, to be honest, I heard that and I was like, what?

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't, I think she's making this up.

Speaker 2 It can't be.

Speaker 1 And like, where is there a volcano in Sicily?

Speaker 1 Like, I did not, I, listen, this is where you go, God, I wish I could have worked at like a wine bar or something because Mount Etna, one of the few and maybe biggest active volcanoes in Europe,

Speaker 1 erupts at such a regular interval that like the soil there is amazing. The grapes that come out of there are world-class.

Speaker 1 Some of the best wines, some of the best Italian wines you could ever get are from Sicily, are from Mount Etna region. But Mount Etna had erupted with spewing lava, covering the town of Catini in ash.

Speaker 1 The airport was closed.

Speaker 2 Because obviously, once the atmosphere is affected in that way, you cannot fly in and out, which totally fair.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 We think, okay, act of God, whatever. So now we're just like, we literally have a moment where we're saying, okay,

Speaker 2 so because the volcano has erupted, tragedy has struck, an act of God, maybe we're not even going to Sicily. Heartbreaking.
We start to decide where else in the world we should go.

Speaker 2 We start thinking, maybe we'll go to Bahamar. Maybe, do you remember when we almost went to Bahamar?

Speaker 1 And then I looked up flights. We would have had to pay four figures to travel 25 hours total with layovers.

Speaker 2 So that was not in the cards. Then we find out, oh, the airport in Catania is reopening.
And we're like, well, okay, so are the flights back on? No, they are not.

Speaker 2 Only we in that three-hour window, I guess, lose the flight. Everyone else rebooks for that same day, et cetera.
So

Speaker 2 we

Speaker 2 deal with the legends. These women were legends.
At the KLM lounge.

Speaker 1 Because so, so we checked in. It was a KLM flight.
So KLM is the Sky Team in the Netherlands, like the Sky Team Airline in the Netherlands. They are partnered with ESA Airways.
More on that later.

Speaker 1 But we talked to these women at the KLM Lounge who really were legendary.

Speaker 2 They were legendary. They got us rebooked on another situation.

Speaker 2 So the four boys we were with were going to get into Catania like four hours prior to me and Bowen, who were going to get there on a little bit of a later flight.

Speaker 2 We couldn't all work that out, whatever. So, then we got the next day.

Speaker 2 Bowen and I landed in Catania. All the boys are there already.
They're sending us these pictures of our like this hotel, the Villa Sant Andrea, where we were staying. It was so beautiful.

Speaker 2 We had everyone that worked there was so incredible. It was such an amazing experience.
But they're sending us these pictures of them splashing around in the sea.

Speaker 2 We land, our bags are not there again.

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Speaker 1 And at this point, we wait in line in the chaotic Catania airport.

Speaker 2 Oh, honey.

Speaker 1 And I must bring up,

Speaker 1 and I brought this up to Matt when we landed.

Speaker 1 I said, there's that 30-rock quote where it's both a Jenna and Jack quote because Jack sets it up early on in the episode where he goes, this is Manhattan real estate, Liz. There are no rules.

Speaker 1 Like check in at an Italian airport.

Speaker 2 No rules.

Speaker 1 Then later on, Jenna tells Liz, well, this is Manhattan real estate, Liz. There are no rules.
Like check-in at an Italian sex party. The chaos of an Italian airport is unmatched.

Speaker 1 And I've been to Asia. And some of these Asian airports are crazy, but not as crazy as all of the airports in Italy.
And I mean all of them. I'm sorry to generalize.

Speaker 2 No, it was shocking. It was shocking.
But then we will say this.

Speaker 2 When we got to the front of of the lost and found at Catania Airport, we were dealing with truly the one legend that worked there, which is that woman with that wonderful haircut.

Speaker 2 Remember, she had that inside that like crazy, like blunt brunette bob.

Speaker 1 Angled, blunt brunette bob. She had bayonetted glasses.

Speaker 1 She looked fierce and she was doing her best. And she was very patient with us because I did get her seat, unfortunately, chewed out by an Italian man ahead of us.

Speaker 1 And this woman just wanted a nice person to talk to her. And we were willing to be those people, even after all we've been through.
But we told her, These are our bags. This is where we're staying.

Speaker 1 By the way, I love your haircut and glasses. And she kind of looks at me and goes,

Speaker 1 I think her thought was, Froce Gine. And then she just kept looking for the bags.

Speaker 2 Frocia Gine was definitely a subtext of almost everything

Speaker 2 anyone said to us. In fact, when we, so a couple days later, like cut two, we go to the resort.
It's stunning. It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 A few days later, we were actually on a boat, and some guys who were cruising past us did yell the words, Frojacine, at our boat. But, Bowen, I wasn't really able to hear it.

Speaker 2 And that's because earlier that day,

Speaker 2 I had been stung by a jellyfish.

Speaker 2 The jellyfish stung me in the waters.

Speaker 2 And I don't know what happened next, but I do know that I lost pretty much all my faculties, either due to the sting or heat exhaustion. Both.
So

Speaker 2 we get the bag back.

Speaker 2 I finally put my bathing suit on. We get on this damn boat, which we were so thrilled to enjoy.
The water's so clear, you could see to the bottom. But

Speaker 2 we are on the boat. I'm sick as shit.

Speaker 1 But you did get in the water and you were rejuvenated. And this just confirms that you are a true Piscean.

Speaker 1 Like you are of the water, but the other creatures of the water that are not fish will come and get you.

Speaker 2 They were threatened by me. I think that's what happened.
They were like, oh, this fish thinks he's somebody? Sting.

Speaker 2 They got me, gal.

Speaker 2 They took me out and I was miserable on this boat. And if you look at pictures,

Speaker 2 it's just all the guys like jumping in the water, doing whatever, and me in like a full denim jacket, like shaking like a leaf i was so sick and these men cruised by frojacine

Speaker 1 oh

Speaker 1 frochagine

Speaker 2 insult to

Speaker 2 insult insult to injury over here damn it insult to injury

Speaker 1 rallied you rallied you were such a champion that day and then we get home and you were like i don't think i can make it to dinner and then you you rallied yet again to come to dinner and we had a dinner.

Speaker 2 We certainly had a dinner.

Speaker 2 And not everyone was their best self, but that's for our private knowledge. Everything's fine now.

Speaker 2 It's all water under the bridge, but it got a little housewives-y at dinner, and I would have preferred it not.

Speaker 1 Because we had been watching housewives, but we also didn't mean to skip over this. Matt luckily got his bag back, I would say, what, two days in, two, three days in? Yeah.
Mine was on this delay.

Speaker 1 I found out that it never left Amsterdam. I think neither of our bags had left Amsterdam.

Speaker 2 So, like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Remember, my bag was in Catania the entire time.

Speaker 1 Your bag was in Catania the entire time. My bag never left Amsterdam.
I don't know how that works, but that's just Ita Airways for you.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I, after much delay, this lost and found office in the Catania airport.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that should be a more invested

Speaker 1 sector of that place because of what I imagine the common cancellation, how common the cancellations are there.

Speaker 1 Like you better have like whatever bag, retrieval, lost, and found system there, like be rock solid. And it's one guy manning one phone.

Speaker 1 And so our poor concierge, Sandy, legend at the concierge desk, was calling every 15 minutes to no answer.

Speaker 2 Same haircut as the girl from the airport, by the way.

Speaker 2 Did you notice that every woman in italy who has like the lucia from white lotus sicily haircut is as much of a sleigh as lucia is yeah so only trust women with that haircut in italy it's actually rule of culture number 30 only trust women with the lucia

Speaker 2 haircut in italy

Speaker 2 the rest of them are not to be trusted and don't i don't even want to talk about the men the men

Speaker 1 i don't know about the men i think you maybe were asleep for this, but we had the guys coming over saying Frochagine to us, whatever. And then

Speaker 1 we had

Speaker 1 another guy

Speaker 1 and do like a little like Cape Blanchette, like limp wrist.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No,

Speaker 2 we were being attacked at sea.

Speaker 1 But this is the thing, like all of those guys, I'm like, not to be all legally blonde and musical, but I'm like, gay or European?

Speaker 1 I was like, I couldn't tell if it was them like being homophobic or them being like, hey, like y'all gay like us.

Speaker 1 Because it's just like, these are gay looking dudes. These are gay guys.
I'm sorry, but like the aesthetic of a gay guy is

Speaker 1 universal. And whatever these men do in the privacy of their own bedrooms with whoever they choose to do it with is irrelevant because y'all read gay.

Speaker 1 And it renders your frotte genie or your limpress from your silly little boats

Speaker 1 irrelevant and ineffective. So I actually don't really care that they were being homophobic.
I really don't. I'm like, oh, whatever.

Speaker 2 First of all, last time I saw a group of gays in Italy, Jennifer Coolidge died. So I don't need to hear anymore.

Speaker 1 We wake up the morning of July 12th in Italy. Jared had left on an earlier flight.
He lands in Rome early in the morning and texts us. I wake up before Matt does.
Texts us, just got to Rome.

Speaker 1 A bunch of flights to to Catania are canceled. Check yours.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 look up my flight number.

Speaker 1 It's canceled.

Speaker 2 Canceled. Again.
Because of more fumes from the volcano.

Speaker 1 Because of more eruption from the volcano. I walk over to Matt's room

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I didn't realize what I was doing, but I like rush over to Matt's room and like he wakes up and looks up and goes, what? And then I freeze. Do you remember this?

Speaker 1 I freeze because I was like, I'm about to ruin this man's day. My best friend's day.
I'm about to ruin it.

Speaker 2 But you had to tell me the truth.

Speaker 1 I did.

Speaker 2 Oh, I said. And he told me the flight was canceled.

Speaker 1 And Matt leapt out of bed with a spirited, you're kidding.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we were scrambling to find a way out. We just wanted to get the fuck out as much as we enjoyed our stay there.
It was just too, I mean, like, we had already pushed the day.

Speaker 1 We already extended the stay at the resort because we lost a day and a half. And because, like, I was basically there with like my luggage on the last day and a half as well.

Speaker 2 And then I

Speaker 1 immediately booked a flight to Paris where we would have had to stay at a hotel airport to then wake up the next day and go back to JFK.

Speaker 1 As soon as those tickets were bought, Ita Airways goes, just kidding, your flight flight is uncanceled. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Giving us like minutes to scramble and get the fuck out of that resort from Taramina and drive down to Catania. Like the whole, like that airline can fucking eat my ass.

Speaker 2 Choke on my ass. How about that? Suffocate on my ass.

Speaker 1 I can't believe Ita Airways made us do that, basically.

Speaker 2 They're bad. They are a bad airline.
I don't know how else you get in and out of that area of the world, but there has to be some other way.

Speaker 2 There should be like some type of lawsuit that should be able to be filed. Like, I feel so litigious

Speaker 2 because not only that, Bowen,

Speaker 2 but this whole time, and I'm going to get to Katy Perry,

Speaker 2 but this whole time,

Speaker 2 I'm thinking, well, at least we'll get home. And there's no reason why my bag should go missing a third time.

Speaker 2 in JFK, your bag pops out, mine does not. Okay,

Speaker 2 now it is the last minutes of the trip, and I'm without my bag. I'm just like, you know what? I'm gonna go home.
It's July 11th.

Speaker 2 The Katy Perry song is out.

Speaker 1 Yes, 11th.

Speaker 2 So I'll be like, you know what? I'll just in the car. I'll make myself feel better because I know Katy Perry is going to give something.

Speaker 2 This is the worst song of all time.

Speaker 1 Can you believe

Speaker 2 that it's called Woman's World,

Speaker 2 produced and written by Dr. Luke and five other people, including Katie herself?

Speaker 2 The verse that literally they allowed the entire internet to run with the bit that it was a joke, never corrected that.

Speaker 2 is actually the song. The lyrics to that song are actually...

Speaker 2 I've actually only listened to it two times because I refuse to give it streams.

Speaker 2 So intelligent. She is.

Speaker 2 What the fuck is she talking about?

Speaker 1 That is kind of like the most minor offense to me.

Speaker 1 I think Jesse David Fox wrote a wonderful piece about how just because you call something satire does not make it any more elevated than, does not elevate any part of this work.

Speaker 1 And for her to put out this video after the video comes out, being like, you can do anything, even satire and all caps.

Speaker 1 And it's just her being so uncomfortable on set for this BTS moment, being like, we're just being, yeah, like on the nose and like, just really like on the nose. And it's like supposed to be stupid.

Speaker 1 And we're like being cheeky, but like, it's with a wink, but it's like on the nose.

Speaker 2 I don't know what it was. I think that American Idol and maybe Vegas made her think that the only way forward for her was to be more broad.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 listen,

Speaker 2 it wouldn't even have to be a thing of like, kind of fuck her if she didn't have Dr. Luke on it.
Like, you actually

Speaker 2 made everyone participate in this thing of like, oh, the Katy Perry comeback.

Speaker 2 And then not only was it incredibly mid, but you're just like waving in everyone's face that it's like tormentor of a lot of your peers.

Speaker 2 Because mind you, it's not just Kesha that he had a problem with.

Speaker 2 Like Kelly Clarkson also in a deposition said that he was not a good guy and that all she wanted was to never work with him again and the label fucking made her.

Speaker 2 So I don't know what it is with the music industry and this fucking dude,

Speaker 2 but the listeners are not buying it, especially when it also sucks.

Speaker 2 What? It's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it. This is like a girl power platitude from 1999.

Speaker 2 This is like late 90s, early 2000s bullshit. She's a sister, she's a mother.

Speaker 1 Stream stupid love.

Speaker 2 She's a sister, she's a mother?

Speaker 2 You wrote teenage dream. Like, what are we doing here? This is a person who burst onto the scene with I Kissed a Girl, which was, in Bowen's words, serrated

Speaker 2 first single with personality that was different, that was specific.

Speaker 1 This was never the way she planned. Not her intention.

Speaker 2 I mean, just read the pitchfork article, read the cut, read like any piece of media that's talked about this. And it would be one thing if it was just a mid-song or a bad song.
Like it happens.

Speaker 2 But you

Speaker 2 literally...

Speaker 2 went out of your way to be like, no, it's going to be worth it to work with this problematic person because at least he's the best at what he does, I guess. That's not even true anymore.
Right.

Speaker 2 And it never will be again.

Speaker 1 What's confusing is the lead up to it seemed so like they could have done it any other way besides the way they did it, which was little drips, little leaks, little snippets, little things.

Speaker 1 Like, actually, we're going to be the ones to release the credits that include Dr. Luke.

Speaker 1 Like, that was after the snippets leaked, and the whole internet was confused, being like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 And then, like, dope. And by the way, they're silent about it.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 2 They're silent about it.

Speaker 2 She doesn't even say, like, you know what? I see and I understand the response. Here's what I'll say back.
It's just nothing.

Speaker 1 It's just a complete disregard. The response was that you can do anything, even satire video, which I couldn't even make it through because I was just like,

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 1 like she's she's just doing like her bit voice and all these background dancers are behind her like sheepishly nervously grinning being like what the fuck is she talking about?

Speaker 2 Oh the dancers looked like they were yikes.

Speaker 2 They looked shook.

Speaker 1 I felt bad.

Speaker 2 First of all, the video's nuts like especially with like it ends like even if it does track a satire, the way it ends with her holding up a ring light in the form of the feminine symbol and the the tick tocker being like, Who are you?

Speaker 2 And her going, I'm Katie Perry

Speaker 2 with like the ring light female symbol in the air. Like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1 I want to point out something, just to move on from Women's World. Any closing thoughts? I feel like you have expressed yourself very, very well.

Speaker 2 I mean, I feel bad that the review of this song is coming on the heels of this trip where my luggage was lost several times and the stakes weren't so high for her.

Speaker 2 And not only just her comeback, but making me smile again after

Speaker 2 she could have really turned it around. And maybe it's the wrong single or maybe she just sucks now.

Speaker 1 I think there's an Aachen's razor thing here where it's like the simplest explanation is probably the real one.

Speaker 2 I can't.

Speaker 1 A fun moment happened on the flight home, though. Before

Speaker 1 the torture began, in the words of Reba, I was on the plane. I was on the iPad watching something while Matt was reading a full-ass book.

Speaker 1 And it was a fun little role reversal because it was like, I was watching season one of The Real House Face with Beverly Hills

Speaker 1 and living

Speaker 1 my life.

Speaker 1 Here's my thing. I'm not that literate in the early seasons of a lot of franchises, but specifically Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's so good.

Speaker 1 I was like, God damn, I can't believe it was just right there all along. And this is from the beginning so fucking good.
Like,

Speaker 1 wow. I did not realize that the Kim and Kyle thing is there from day one, from the from episode one.

Speaker 2 It's essentially the main plot of the show. That's why I say Kyle is the protagonist, because, like, that's like, sure, totally.

Speaker 2 That was the show. And the first two seasons of Beverly Hills is like what Housewives always is trying to be.

Speaker 2 Like, there's like certain seasons of different franchises, like, you know, season nine of Atlanta, or even earlier in Atlanta, too, like, or season, honestly, season four of Salt Lake.

Speaker 2 Like, season one and two of Beverly Hills is like one of those.

Speaker 1 Right. Like, just what I cannot stop thinking about is

Speaker 1 how perfectly distilled of a housewife moments Taylor Armstrong, like the perfectly distilled moment of Taylor Armstrong saying, if you can't be my friend, please don't be my enemy.

Speaker 2 Don't be my enemy.

Speaker 2 It's like, that is

Speaker 2 so,

Speaker 1 the pathos in that is like, it feels like the classics it feels like

Speaker 2 oh like you it doesn't get better than that oh i love it i mean so i'm looking over and bowen is like bowen turns his screen and it's just kim richards face in a confessional and i had to laugh because i looked down at my book and i was reading me and boys by jeffrey mack

Speaker 2 And I was just like, literally reading a chapter about how like empathy is the only way forward. Like

Speaker 2 the last essay in the book is called Me and Boys.

Speaker 2 And like, it actually, this is really interesting and timely because we're going to segue into this, but it talks about the psychology of a mass shooter.

Speaker 1 And of just gunmen, people who want to kill people in general.

Speaker 2 Right. Exactly.

Speaker 1 And just like, it's usually these broken men.

Speaker 2 And I will say that book was excellent. And I was really happy that I read it.

Speaker 2 And I've been thinking about it a lot because I've been thinking a lot about like the drug culture amongst the gay community. I've been thinking a lot about, you know, our collective mental health.

Speaker 1 Even after Taylor, in your shrooms moment, you had Googled in the night, why are gay men so sad?

Speaker 1 And I think that was, and I really told you the next day, I was like, I think it's a really good thing that you did that. Like, I don't think you should be like,

Speaker 1 don't chalk it up to like drugs or anything.

Speaker 1 It's just like, this is a totally valid thing to ask, especially in the summertime when people are all across the fucking spectrum with their emotions, whether they're like happy that it's summer, they're with their friends, or they're even with their friends and sad and like

Speaker 1 just very morose about like

Speaker 1 how overwhelming life can be.

Speaker 2 I definitely googled the words, why are gay men so sad?

Speaker 2 And I can tell you that it has a lot to do with the fact that no matter how happy we think we are, we, especially men of our generation, have internalized rejection to such an extent that we come to expect it.

Speaker 2 So that when it happens, it's extra crushing, but also it's something that we're like low-key used to. We live every single day with really the ingrained idea, like really in our DNA.

Speaker 2 It's our thing that we are not valuable. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so that informs a lot of the way we react to each other, the way we treat each other, the way that we feel when we see other people succeed, fail, attempt things,

Speaker 2 the way that we interact with one another

Speaker 2 in romantic situations.

Speaker 1 The way that we adopt like certain conventions within like a gay subculture or culture within that culture. Like

Speaker 1 I think it kind of motivates specific drug use in the gay community. Like I think it motivates like, why does everyone at basement have the same sunglasses?

Speaker 1 Like I love that they have the same sunglasses, but it's this like arbitrary thing of like we all sort of adopt these conventions, these literal conventions, these units of the culture. And like

Speaker 1 it's all just like this crazy two mirrors facing each other, but it's like actually millions of mirrors facing.

Speaker 1 It's like, it just gets like reflected into infinity and like, it just amplifies like the pain and the misery. And it's interesting.

Speaker 2 I mean, essentially, I think we're all just trying to be cool and individuals. And we're all trying to like.

Speaker 2 be interesting and we're trying to find community within community and we're all out here. And a lot of what this book talks about is like the way that fashion and politics speak to each other.

Speaker 2 And the way that culture, they say politics flows downriver from culture. So this is, this is like one of the ideas in this book.

Speaker 2 And so there's a whole chapter about, you know, people going to Art Basil in Miami.

Speaker 2 and how that's really more about partying, like exclusively about partying and not really about art.

Speaker 2 But on the outset, it feels like something that you need to go to and participate in in order to be part of the culture. Right.
And then you go and you're just fucking exhausted and high.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, hold on a second. Wait, why did I even come here?

Speaker 1 And that sounds like so many things. Yeah.
It's like everything.

Speaker 2 It's like going to that party, this thing, that, being pictured this way on Instagram, looking this way, wearing these clothes.

Speaker 2 Like essentially, all these things are being decided for us by someone up top who is really unhappy. So,

Speaker 2 so it's just, and it sounds like a dark book, but, and in many ways it is, but it was also very illuminating and I think very true.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I really, really love that.
I'm going to read the ending, I think, forever. I love, he ends on this hopeful note of like, empathy is the only way forward.

Speaker 1 It's like, it is the thing that like.

Speaker 1 It makes me think of, sorry, but like fleabag, like people are all we've got. Like other people are all we've got.
Right.

Speaker 1 That is like the only way out of your, the prison of your own mind or whatever. Like connection is important and community is like the building block of like an egalitarian society.

Speaker 1 And like what is happening right now in the culture is that like those things are being broken down and everyone feels disconnected and all these troubling things.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And basic human empathy and understanding is one way to really connect with someone else and find that community because you're not going to find happiness in a sweater or

Speaker 2 a party or a drug. Like you're never going to find lasting happiness in those things.
And I don't know, it was just, it was just really refreshing almost to feel it put like that.

Speaker 2 And a lot of reading it was very tough, but I recommend it, especially for gay men our age or queer people our age, really, or anybody. It's very good.

Speaker 2 But anyway, that's while I, that's what I was doing while Bowen was watching Kim and Kyle argue in the limo.

Speaker 2 Oh my god, Kyle.

Speaker 1 Like, you take that back right now.

Speaker 2 Or just, do you hear what you just said? Do you hear what you just said? You are a liar and an alcoholic.

Speaker 1 I love

Speaker 2 such a fucking liar, Camille.

Speaker 2 So God. That I will say this: that back then, Kyle had a different personality.
Back then, Kyle was nasty. Kyle

Speaker 2 was not nice. She wasn't.
What does Becca say?

Speaker 1 Becca, producer Becca says, my husband has treated you like his second wife.

Speaker 2 Jesus. But, like, wait, have you gotten to the scene where Kyle and Kim team up and bully Brandy Glanville?

Speaker 1 No, Brandy has. Well, I do, of course, know you're a slut pig.
Like, that's iconic, Kim Richards, right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, Brandy and one, Brandy's like new to the show in the second season, and she comes in on crutches because she's hurt her foot or something.

Speaker 2 And she's over their house, and they're being so merciless to her. And then they hide her crutches.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is monstrous, but also it's Brandy Glanville.

Speaker 2 And so, and that is like one of the most despicable human beings to ever be put on TV. Well, I mean, listen, I think that's what made her, though.

Speaker 2 Like, I think that's, that was the origin story right there. I was like, no, because I remember I went back and I was like, oh, there's Brandy Glanville.
Like, can't wait to see how crazy she is.

Speaker 2 Like, here we go. And then I'm watching it and I'm like, no, Kyle and Kim are the villains here.
Like, they're being really mean.

Speaker 2 They were being so mean.

Speaker 2 And it wasn't until years later that like, or maybe even a couple of years later that like Kyle became like sort of like the de facto protagonist who we all love and like, you know, the sweet gooey center of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 2 But, you know, it's, it's interesting to see where, where she started.

Speaker 1 It was not. what it is now.
Producer Becca says, except Brandy's son did piss outside LOL.

Speaker 1 Well, the thing, like, Brandy, like, I love that we're talking about season two of Beverly Hills on this podcast in 2024, but

Speaker 1 I,

Speaker 2 I just can't believe I, I didn't know about the whole like

Speaker 1 Brandy fucking ruining Adrienne's marriage thing.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 This woman has destroyed so many lives.

Speaker 2 She's, she's definitely chaotic is a kind word, but I also know that she's fucking going through it now. And I, I,

Speaker 2 it's a whole fucking thing, whatever. I will say, OC, OC is great this season.

Speaker 1 I love OC.

Speaker 2 So is Jersey. OC and Jersey are both giving, but Jersey is just wild because the more you watch Teresa's scenes, the more you realize what a warped reality she lives in.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Every scene with her is completely berserk. Like in this last episode, there's a scene where they

Speaker 2 are going to a live show she's doing for her podcast, which, by the way, Teresa with a podcast is an interesting, um,

Speaker 2 interesting idea.

Speaker 2 But she

Speaker 2 has the women like gather before the podcast taping in like this big quiet room. And it's just, you can tell they're all just like sort of trying to find something to talk to her about.

Speaker 2 And Jen Aiden is just,

Speaker 2 she's just so

Speaker 2 sad. You can tell she's such a broken person that she's, it's coming out in very toxic ways.
And she was on Watch What Happens Live the other night and it was really weird.

Speaker 2 And it just the Teresa and Jen of it all, it just has to stop. It's just got to stop.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, I guess if you want it to continue, then give Teresa her own show and we'll see how many people watch it. But like, this is not Housewives of New Jersey anymore.

Speaker 2 It feels like two different shows. One is like Jen and Teresa being these like sad, dark clowns.

Speaker 2 And then the rest of it is the Housewives of New Jersey. And I feel like that's the show we should be watching.
But

Speaker 1 I'm not totally up to speed on Jersey. I am, we're only one episode into OC at the time of this recording, and I'm enjoying it very much.
Yeah. Shannon spiking camera and saying perfect is

Speaker 2 so good. I mean, that was a great episode.
And I feel like,

Speaker 2 you know, this is all the pop culture of right now. What else? I mean, like, a Gypsy Rose is pregnant.
You know, good for her.

Speaker 2 What else? Oh, right. There was an assassination attempt on Trump.

Speaker 2 I guess guess in the grand scheme of things, I just want to say, I think it's fucking pathetic the way that the Democrats have handled this.

Speaker 2 I just think it's ridiculous that like the thoughts and prayers, like we obviously never want this to happen. When is someone just going to stand up and say the truth?

Speaker 2 Which is the fact that one of the reasons this can even happen is because the man that is the leader of this political party. would do nothing to stop something like this from happening.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're kidding. Someone who spews violent rhetoric and makes this an even more unsafe country to live in day after day after day as we take this high road towards death.
Like

Speaker 2 this guy

Speaker 2 finally had the violence turned around on him.

Speaker 2 You don't say.

Speaker 1 Well, and then for the response from the center, because that's what they are, to be like, to apologize for even existing is

Speaker 1 so devastating and so sad. And it's, it's like sealing the fate of an entire country, world, whatever.
It's like, it's just, it's bad. It's really bad.

Speaker 2 Just make it about guns. Let's just make it about guns.
If, if you want the gun situation in this country to change, you cannot support the GOP. You cannot do it.

Speaker 2 And even if we weren't just going to make it about that, let's make it about abortion. If you want that to be an option in this country, an option, you cannot support the GOP.

Speaker 2 Like, I feel like I'm going fucking crazy. And obviously, like, I don't think Biden is the way forward.
Obviously, I just think it fuels people that are like, oh, well, Biden, I don't know.

Speaker 2 He can't string two sentences together. Sure, while that's true, at least we would still have democracy and a chance to change these things.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 huh? I feel like I'm living on another planet.

Speaker 1 The effect that it's having on me is like

Speaker 1 what I'm kind of going through at the moment, which is just to like

Speaker 1 ignore, ignore, ignore, which is like not constructive, not productive. It's just like, it's kind of

Speaker 1 protective for now. And I get it.

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 1 will come out of it. It's just,

Speaker 1 I need this week to be over of RNC stuff. And then,

Speaker 1 and then who knows?

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 And the JD Vance of it all, like the fact that like he was out here saying that Trump is Hitler, and like the this is literally, I mean, it's just it's comical.

Speaker 2 This fucking joke of a human that they've chosen as the VP was out here being like, I would never support him, I would never vote for him. You're sick if you do.
He's like Hitler, da da da.

Speaker 2 And now he's just like gladly signed on the dotted line to be next in line to power. Like, if you don't see this, you're a moron.

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I just thought it wasn't something that was gonna happen for me in my life.

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Speaker 2 Is there anything happy going on? Is there anything good? I like the Kesha single.

Speaker 1 Kesha single is great.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Hard to say.

Speaker 2 We did have fun in Sicily, and we did have fun in Amsterdam. And Taylor was amazing.

Speaker 1 I really loved those experiences,

Speaker 1 at least on like a

Speaker 1 stress level, which is like what I tend to like, what motivates me to go on vacation like it came out a full wash

Speaker 1 like with the travel stress

Speaker 1 on the ledger

Speaker 1 with the pleasures that were had like it was balance net zero which is not bad it could be worse oh it could have been very a lot worse yeah but I'm just saying like oh all right like that that that's where I'm at with that vacation for now I'm sure like years from now I'll like forget about

Speaker 1 like those bad travel memories will flush out sooner than the good memories of being in the destinations.

Speaker 2 There was like a moment where I was swimming around in the sea, and I was so happy to be there. And I felt like so free.
And that's when I was just like, you know what?

Speaker 2 Actually, it's not worth it to be like nihilistic and fatalistic about everything. Like, there's so many beautiful things in the world.
There's so many experiences to be had.

Speaker 2 There's so many people that are out there that don't want like the negativity and the darkness and the you know fucking hellscape that it seems like we're headed towards.

Speaker 2 I wish that there could be projected more positivity, but I also think we're in a moment where we need to fucking snap in and understand and get that like

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 Yeah, I hear you. These things that we take advantage of.
We take we take it for granted, dude.

Speaker 1 And I mean, I like to. I'm not all the way hopeless.
I'm just like saying right now, the past

Speaker 1 72, you know, 96 hours, actually,

Speaker 1 have just been a lot.

Speaker 1 Should we move into I Don't Think So, honey?

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 1 This is I Don't Think So, honey. This is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something in culture.
Matt, do you have something?

Speaker 2 Um, do I have something? Uh, yeah, do I have something?

Speaker 2 I feel like this entire episode has been I don't think so, honey. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We can skip it. We We can we can make history.

Speaker 2 No, I don't think we can.

Speaker 2 Sure, I have an I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. No chicken parmesan in Italy.

Speaker 1 It's American, babe.

Speaker 2 It's an American thing. It's so American.
And that's kind of like at a certain point, it really was all I wanted.

Speaker 2 I was like, I can't wait to get a big ol' piece of chicken covered in marinara and cheese. And then it was curiously on no menus.
And I said, I don't think so, honey, that I've seen it even offered.

Speaker 2 Then I come to find out when I say it out loud to someone, like, well, why is there no chicken parm? Everyone's like, oh, that's an American thing. And I was like, well, that stinks

Speaker 2 because I think one of the great dishes is chicken Parmesan.

Speaker 2 And I'm embarrassed for my lack of culture, but just how exactly did the chicken Parmesan become not only such a staple Italian food, but such a marquee Italian food if it doesn't even happen in Italy or at least Sicily, it doesn't even happen there.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I don't think so, honey. Fine.
But I was not able to get that. It is my favorite food.

Speaker 2 I would have loved it authentically in Italia, but I guess I'll have to go to its authentic birthplace, what, New York? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 That's one minute.

Speaker 2 Oh, this happens all the time with like

Speaker 1 quote-unquote like cultural foods. It's like there's Americanized Chinese food, like...

Speaker 1 things on a Chinese menu here that you would never ever find anywhere across the great big country of China.

Speaker 2 I mean, listen, here's what's great for us. If we want our favorite things that are Italian but not Chinese, but not, we have them in spades here in America.

Speaker 2 You just can't go get it in a place where you'd think they would absolutely knock it out of the park.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 2 Totally. Do you have an I Don't Think So Honey topic?

Speaker 1 I do. It's a little inappropriate, but here we go.

Speaker 2 Inappropriate?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you'll see. You'll see why.

Speaker 2 This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
It's time starts now.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey, when cute, straight guys aren't gay.

Speaker 1 I was at a wonderful event last night helping to support Sean Wang, the director, the Oscar-nominated director of Night Night and Waipo, which is the documentary short that was nominated at the Oscars this year.

Speaker 1 It's on Disney Plus. If you want to check it out, it's 17 minutes, but he's coming up with a movie on July 26th called Dee Dee.
And it takes place in 2008.

Speaker 1 It's like a coming-of-age story taking place in California of this like Chinese kid who's growing up with an older sister and

Speaker 1 a single mom, the grandma's living there with them. I have never related to a movie more,

Speaker 1 at least not in a while.

Speaker 1 Joan Chen is a fucking force of nature. She's one of our fucking best.
Put some respect on the name Joan Chen.

Speaker 1 Watch Shu Shu,

Speaker 1 The Sent Down Girl. Wonderful movie.
I can't recommend it enough.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 feel like Sean Wang is the perfect example of straight, cute guy who just

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 a wonderful person inside and out. Same goes for Eric Nam, who's also at the dinner, K-pop star from Atlanta.
Gosh, I mean, like, they're missing out. We're missing out.
It's a shame sometimes.

Speaker 1 You know, like sometimes you just feel that way about certain guys.

Speaker 2 You're like, oh,

Speaker 1 that's a bummer.

Speaker 2 And that's one minute and change. And I have to say, I agree with you, sister.
I mean, sometimes I'll meet a straight who has that thing.

Speaker 1 99% of the time I'll meet a straight guy. I'm like, yeah, no problem.
Even if they're like wonderfully attractive or great on paper, whatever, I'm like, no problem. I can cope with that.

Speaker 1 But every now and then you meet a couple people where you're like, damn. Who sticks?

Speaker 2 Who sticks? I know.

Speaker 1 And they stick and we're like, oh, that's, that stings, you know?

Speaker 2 Well, I recently embarrassed myself. It was like a month ago.

Speaker 2 We were doing a game show and one of the contestants, one of the straight contestants, that's famously the conceit, is that there's two straight contestants competing.

Speaker 2 And I had such a crush on one of them that I actually said,

Speaker 2 I didn't realize he was in front of me, but I said out loud, like, oh my God, I would throw it all away if he were ever to decide he was gay, et cetera.

Speaker 1 I think I knew who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 And he was right there. And I didn't even realize he was there.
And I was so embarrassed. And I felt like I had embarrassed him.
And I was like, oh no.

Speaker 2 But that was my vulnerable moment.

Speaker 2 I know, but it's okay. It's okay to have a crush.
Like, it's just like.

Speaker 2 And honestly, sometimes it's nicer to have a crush on a straight person because at least now you don't know, you know, you don't know what to deal with any of their bullshit.

Speaker 2 Because that's a whole other thing that I'm so annoyed about right now, which is like dating in the summer or like trying to engage with guys in the summer. You're all so annoying.

Speaker 2 All anyone wants is attention, and then you give them attention. And then I'm just like, so over it.
I'm so over it.

Speaker 1 Get, stay out of my DMs if you're just trying to get me to.

Speaker 1 I'm like, no,

Speaker 1 none of us have the time, including you. I'm talking about you, like these guys.

Speaker 2 Like, you have, in the words of Jerry Blank, bring a book bring a book read a book it's ridiculous like when it's like don't engage with me in a way that would suggest you're down to like see if there's more if like

Speaker 2 if that's not true it's fine i get it it's the summer everyone wants to have their fun like a little single sexy summer i get it just don't i get it play don't play in anyone's face y'all play too much you're playing in our faces what i'm encountering on multiple occasions in recent weeks

Speaker 1 I'm not really complaining about this, although I am, because it is just kind of like fucking annoying, is like guys talking to me on the apps, like expressing genuine interest, flirting, and then, oh, I see what the end game is, them being like, so

Speaker 1 I'm just actually curious if you'd want to come on my, on the podcast that I started. No, I don't want to do that.
That's fucking weird. That's a weird pretense.
And don't fucking do that with people.

Speaker 1 Just don't do that with anybody, period. Do not like flirt with them textually in the hopes that you can book them on your podcast.
Get the fuck out. That's

Speaker 1 getting so pathetic.

Speaker 2 It's so weird. And sometimes I'm like, I can't even make, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 Like, I guess I should just go into every situation now, just assuming it's like totally platonic and friends, and like, don't ever assume anything from anyone.

Speaker 2 But the fact is that some of us are 34 and actually trying to find a situation.

Speaker 1 And I would say, like, I recommend that mindset, Matt. But like, also, I've been doing that for a while now.
And I can't say that it's like

Speaker 1 yielded any great results. I mean, like, I'm, I'm polite.
I give people their boundaries.

Speaker 1 It is good to assume platonic pretense, but I am also like, oh, but like, I wonder if I've missed down on things. But that's also like, it's impossible.

Speaker 1 Like, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's like,

Speaker 1 anyway, back to my point. Um, some, some really wonderful straight guys are out there and we celebrate you.
We celebrate Sean Wing. Go check out Dee Dean in theaters July 26th.

Speaker 1 Fantastic. Joan Chen.
I will not shut the fuck up about Joan Chen. That is one of a talent.
A talent. Oh my God.
And she is the funniest motherfucker on set on any set she's on.

Speaker 1 I have a good authority.

Speaker 2 We love when people earn that moniker. Funniest on set.

Speaker 2 Funniest ones. That's you, bitch.

Speaker 1 That's you. No, bitch.

Speaker 1 On the wedding banquet, it was Joan motherfucking Chen. Chen.

Speaker 2 Love her.

Speaker 2 Love her. Love her.
Love her. Love her.

Speaker 1 Hurrah. Speaking of funniest on set, I mean, congratulations to everyone involved with O'Mary finally on Broadway.
I saw it on Friday. I mean, just a perfect show.
A perfect show.

Speaker 1 And I'm so happy for everyone involved.

Speaker 1 Cole, James Scully, Conor Nickamora, Hannah Solo.

Speaker 1 Peter Smith. Peter Smith.
Sam Pinkleton.

Speaker 2 Sam Pinkleton, everybody, everybody in the Cast and crew. We love them.

Speaker 1 Wonderful, wonderful. And

Speaker 2 go check it out. That's some great news, right?

Speaker 2 To feel so excited for them. Like, yeah, I mean, that's amazing.
That's amazing.

Speaker 1 That's one shining light in the void. And

Speaker 1 I think we should, I really love hearing you talk about books. I think you should start reading more.

Speaker 2 Well, reading more is, so

Speaker 2 I'm drinking a lot less, a lot less i'm reading more i'm trying to take care of my skin honestly la's been kind of nice over the past few days i'm like because

Speaker 2 like while i feel like less impetus to go out and do things here just because whatever reason i it also like keeps me fucking healthy and in my own lane no problem because new york has been kind of chaotic recently for me like you know what i've been doing ever since i got back like in a manic way almost is

Speaker 1 doing

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 my laundry and folding all my bedlinens. And it's actually really satisfying.
And

Speaker 1 I can fucking fold any fitted sheet now like it's my job. And I would be happy to do it for anyone.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can I tell you what I'm feeling? I'm feeling like readers, I'm sorry. Like I feel, I feel like, I feel like.
About what?

Speaker 2 I don't want to be so negative about the state of the world and Katy Perry, but

Speaker 2 they leave me no choice.

Speaker 2 It's your truth.

Speaker 1 Also, you just got the news that fucking your bag is still not at your house, which you were promised it would be days ago. But I didn't realize that this was your first time losing checked luggage.

Speaker 1 I've had it happen to me several times. And

Speaker 1 I kept having to reassure Matt in a way that I didn't mind. I was like, no, no, like anytime I've lost my luggage, like it's gotten back to me.
They will send it back to you.

Speaker 1 They can't even do that, which is like a basic fucking part of the contract. But like, I'm really sorry.
And you don't have to apologize for being a little bit,

Speaker 1 you know, ornery.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I'm also fresh. I'm fresh out of therapy and I actually did cry today.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. Whatever.
Hey, here's something. What a journey I'm on.

Speaker 1 I was talking to another friend about EMDR and I'm like, I got to just do it. I really got to just do it.
I straight up asked you to get away with that. Have you tried?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, but I'm going to bring it it up. I did bring up to my therapist who specializes in ketamine therapy.
I was like, do you think I'm a good candidate? And he was like, no.

Speaker 1 Like what you are going through is like pretty normal at this point. Like you've come a long way since last year when I had like a bad moment.
And he was just like, that's not your thing.

Speaker 1 And, but I did, I did have to like, inspired by Orno, I was just like, just tell me what's going on. I need you to tell me what's going on with me.

Speaker 1 And he was like, okay, here's what I'm thinking and whatever. But EMDR, I think, I think I'm going to look into it.

Speaker 2 Give it a shot because honestly, I had a breakthrough every single time. I didn't do it today.
I just did regular talk therapy today because there was a lot to talk about and a lot going on,

Speaker 2 not just in the macro, but in the micro. And

Speaker 2 yeah, it was good. But

Speaker 2 I am therapy is 40 minutes away from me. So I drove the 40 minutes there, 40 minutes back here.
Now I have to do the hour to LAX, the hour back.

Speaker 2 And I guess the good news is I will be streaming Joyride by Kesha the entire time because what I I am happy about is the fact that it's absolutely smoking women's world on the charts.

Speaker 2 So victory for Kesha. By the way, Kesha, you were amazing at We Ho Pride.

Speaker 1 She's a great TED Talk up too.

Speaker 2 Oh, I saw that. I read that.
The Alchemy of Pop.

Speaker 1 The Alchemy of Pop. It's great.
She compares it to scuba diving because she likes to scuba dive.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was a good TED Talk. I'm happy you watched it.
Yeah, I watched it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Stream Joyride, Stream Charm by Claro. Fantastic new album.

Speaker 2 There's another song I really like too, which I wanted to tell you about, which is it Remy Wolves.

Speaker 2 No, it's not Remy Wolves, but I did see that you were posting that, and I will get into that. It's actually, it's very Lana-coded.
It's called Summer Song by Remy Bond. Oh,

Speaker 2 check it out. Okay, girl.
Thanks for the rack. I put it on my big, beautiful, blonde summer playlist.
It's the last track.

Speaker 1 Anyways. We're still in it.
Well, I love you, sister. Have fun going to LAX.
Stay safe, girl.

Speaker 2 Love you, Queen. I can't believe I have to go do that.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, but it's almost over. Our long national nightmare is almost over.

Speaker 2 Should this episode be called long national nightmare?

Speaker 1 I, oh, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 Long international nightmare.

Speaker 1 I claimed an earlier title of ep, which was that. This is the reason.

Speaker 2 This is the reason. This is the reason.
Okay, this is the reason.

Speaker 1 We got to give that woman her flowers because that was an iconic delivery.

Speaker 2 Should it be this is the reason parentheses long international nightmare? Like it's a song. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is the reason, parentheses, long international nightmare.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Well, we end every episode with the song.

Speaker 2 It's a woman. Just kidding.

Speaker 1 Just kidding.

Speaker 2 No song this week.

Speaker 1 Bye.

Speaker 1 Lost Colds Reaches is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and I Heart Radio Podcasts.

Speaker 2 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Speaker 1 Executive produced by Anna Hosniye and Hans Sani. Produced by Becca Ramos.
Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Laborde.

Speaker 2 And our music is by Henry Komersky. Komirsky.

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Speaker 2 I'm stressed. I got invited to a Francegiving, and now there's the big question of what to bring.

Speaker 1 Well, just bring a bottle of Casamigos.

Speaker 2 Oh, Casamigos, of course.

Speaker 1 Nothing brings people together like a batch of Casamigos margaritas.

Speaker 2 A Casamigos margarita really is the perfect cocktail.

Speaker 1 Plus, Casamigos goes with everything.

Speaker 2 Turkey, stuffing, mac and cheese.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743. Anything goes with my Casamigos.
This France giving, you know what everyone will be grateful for? Casamigos?

Speaker 2 I was going to say you and Casamigos. Oh,

Speaker 1 let's keep it in that order.

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Casamigo Stequila, 40% alcohol by volume.

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