“Cute Girls With Sick Minds” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Look, man.

There.

Oh, I see.

Wow.

Bowen, look over there.

Wow, is that culture?

Yes. Oh, my goodness.
Wow. Las Culturistas.
Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.
We are. What are we doing? First of all, this is a very interesting setup.
Setup, for lack of a better word. We are sitting across the dining room from each other.
And Bowen, let's just say it right here, right now, has a long one. Bowen Yang has got a long one.
It's actually really called your number 15. Bowen Yang has got a long one.
I do mean dining room table, but we are. It's pretty average sized, I would say.
Listen. Take the assist.
Take the assist, goddammit. I'm here saying you got an extra long, quote unquote, dining room table.
And I was actually talking about the dining room table. We're across from it looking at each other.
Very 50 Shades of Grey. Why is it giving? Oh, 50 Shades of Grey.
We also have recorded in the past in a similar setup. You would proposition me here.
I'm saying this is also very Power Couple, which is the web series with Matt Rodgers and Sudi Green. We've talked about this on the pod before.
But I just can't believe that our reference in Power Couple was so clear that you'd go from Fifty Shades of Grey right to Power Couple. Thank you, sister.
Everyone, go on YouTube, look up Power Couple, Justin, Brittany, Matt Rogers, Sudi Green, directed by Peter Kelly. We've really known each other a long time, haven't we? We've seen...
We have many memories. We've seen many seasons of each other, haven't we?

Speaking of seasons, it's Pride Month.

Speaking of seasons, it's Pride Month.

It's finally Pride Month, July.

Finally, July.

The year when, I'm sorry, the month when.

No, I think you had it right the first time.

July is the year of Pride Month. July is the year of Pride Month when Harvey Milk assassinated Adolf Hitler.

Thank God my girl came through. We smoked a little.
Little? I would say we smoked a lot because we're preparing. We're strapping in.
There's a lot going on. A lot going on at the moment.
We have... Title of ep! By the way, Jared is here as an audience slash.
He's going to come in later. We have him.
He's a special correspondent to a very special cultural issue we have. I think this cultural issue will take the entire real estate of the episode.
You don't know that yet. We haven't even brought it up yet.
I have, you know what I haven't even done yet? What? Cute girl. What a sick mind.
Well, here we go. We're already.
No. We're talking about Camila.
It's not time yet. Okay.
What are we preparing for? What are we strapping in for? We are strapping. We are literally, as soon as we're done recording this episode, we are going to the airport to the new Delta One Lounge.
At JFK, we're rolling the dice and crossing enemy lines. I almost said grounds.
We're crossing over. We're saying, LaGuardia, thank you for everything you've done.
Thank you for the merch. Thank you for the merch.
We got to fly out of JFK and we're trying their new Delta Sky Lounge. Which just opened days ago.
We're very excited. Feeling like a cute girl on a sick night.
I cannot wait to have a bloody. I'm going to have a something.
What? What did you think I was going to say? I didn't know. I was already on the edge of my seat.
Would you have an Aberl Spritz at the airport? Like what is the vibe you bring in a cocktail sense to the airport lounge? Airport lounge cocktail is very specific context, right? I think. Don't lie.
Mezcal Negroni. Mezcal Negroni.
That's really good. Did they make that? Let me tell you something.
If you ask, I bet they can figure it out, queen. I think I just...
No, people don't make that, do they? Mezcal Negroni. I would be...
You want to start a bet? Hold on. We have to cut this.
I'm readers. Why do we have to cut this? What do you mean? Okay, Mezcal Negroni.
sorry. What did you have to Google and see if it was a real thing?

Oh my god!

My girl is so burnt.

No, it's not being cut. That is the vulnerability

that the judges are looking for.

When you had to look up what

Mezcal Legroni was to make sure it was

even a thing. Because I'm so

tired? Oh my god, the T-word.

You know what? I'm done avoiding the T-word. Iword i'm back to say i'm so happy my girl came alive take them down take them down right now they've criticized you for saying the t-word get them i i'll get them no get them i don't want them this is what we're cutting i don't want to reference them we're cutting this okay hold on no we're back We're back.
we're cutting. I don't want to reference them.
We're cutting this. Okay, hold on.
No, we're back. We're back.
We're back. How high did you get? How high did I get? Yeah.
Not very high, but this is what I'm working with. This is why I'm T word.
No, explain. And I literally do want to know the ins and outs of what you've been through, because I looked at all the rap photos and it looked emotional.
And I have to say, I could not not be more excited and I don't think people are really hearing me when I say how good this movie is going to be that you just wrapped and I want to hear all about it. Sister thank you.
I am at the edge of my seat. So whatever we wrapped at like 4 in the morning in Vancouver on Friday.
I have for the next day, the best I could do ticket wise was when we booked the flight, of course, the return flight to New York was 1 p.m. out of Vancouver, layover in Salt Lake City.
So the Vancouver flight to Salt Lake City flight lands at 4.45 if it's on schedule. Yeah.
And then the Salt Lake City to JFK flight

takes off at 530.

Mm-hmm.

We were

only like 45 minutes delayed.

I get there.

I

You got scooped.

I did not get scooped.

Oh.

I missed the connection.

Oh, that's I guess

what I mean is like

for some reason

I was thinking of scoop

but you missed it.

I thought you meant like

they came to scoop me. No, no.
To throw me to the other side of the terminal. No, I meant a negative pejorative.
Yeah. Okay.
So pejorative, I got scooped. I'm so sorry, sister.
No, it's okay, sister. So my next flight out, I just basically had a seven hour layover in Salt Lake City, which by the way, very chic airport.
Can I say, do you then, because seven hours is giving to me the option to leave. You did not leave.
I did not leave because here's my, and this is the thing. This is my own thing.
So funny, by the way, is about this company in a loving, non-pejorative way. Yeah.
I was like, if I'm in a Delta Lounge, I'm happy. But for seven hours, actually, you know what? One time I did spend seven hours there.
Also, if you were to leave and explore, you're right. That airport is a cute airport.
It's a cute airport. And I love Salt Lake.
I just did not feel that. After like wrapping this, like after like being at work, not like 12 hours before.
Girl, you're here, you're in one piece. Yes.
That's like the important part. Anyway, I flew in at, I got in on a red eye yesterday, landed yesterday morning.
And so that's why, because I even took one hit of this, my brain is on yet again, zero. But I think that did not stop us last week from having a great episode.

No, I actually think when our brains are on zero,

we are the most open.

I do want to say because the table is so long

and it's extra long.

It's not that long.

No, it's so long.

That means I am restricted

from being able to wrap my arms around you

because sweetheart,

the fact that you are so Kendrick Lamar humble

that I was like,

please tell us about everything you've been through Thank you. You are so Kendrick Lamar humble.
Oh my God.

That I was like,

please tell us about everything you've been through.

Like you must be exhausted.

And you still talked about the flight.

I meant the process of doing the film and like what you guys made.

I still want to hear about,

but you,

you really are just,

it was about that flight brain on zero.

Yeah. Brain on zero.
Do you even remember shooting the film not really just kidding um very emotional last day i got the girls into couples therapy really best believe i'm still bejeweled and the girls meeting kelly marie and lily kelly marie lily, Keechan Han, who plays my love interest, who was very sad to leave the country of Canada or I should say the VPN of my account because he was like, they don't have this in Korea. He looked it up.
He was like, there's nothing like this in Korea. There's no VPN.
There's no VPN. Or couples therapy, the show.
Or there's no Korean owner. My God.
Isn't that sad? At least we know that's a role. That's a star we have yet to find.
The Korean Orna. The Korean Orna is going to take over the world.
Every country should have an Orna. And they do.
They just haven't been discovered yet. That's why we're announcing South Korea's next Orna.
First Orna.

We are the hosts of the new reality competition series,

South Korea's First Orna.

Dozens of therapists across the land are coming

with the one goal of becoming this nation's Orna.

Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang host this cutthroat,

but therapeutic competition. Who is Orna? Oh my God.
All I'm picturing is Orna Guralnik standing in like insane, like American Idol stage lighting. I guess I'm just going to go out there and give it my best shot and show them what I can do.
They come out sit in front of the judges sit down. Now what's going on here? And the judges aka you and I just go through 30 different therapy sessions and at the end we find out who really got us together.
And only they can go to the finals where they have to sing. Then they have to sing.

I need this.

Well, we can probably have AI make it.

Oh my, no, they, no, we can't.

AI could never fucking do this.

Owen.

They could.

No, I'm telling you.

Let me tell you something.

I'm here to speak for AI.

We could do anything, queen.

Anything we put our mind to.

We can do better.

You know, wait, you know what I've been really enjoying?

Yes, tell me. Drag Race.

The Drag Race All-Stars.

I am so behind, but I'm so happy to hear this.

Speaking of reality competition series,

God, imagine a Drag Race version of next Orna.

No, I...

Roast each other.

I don't want any Ornas in drag.

I think Orna could be a really good snatch game. Orna would be an.
Oh, honestly, my God, someone get on it. Oh, who are you? So, so who are you being? Dr.
Orna Gronik. I love Dr.
Orna Gronik. I love her.
She's funny. She's funny.
Well, how are you going to make funny, funny? Oh my God. You honestly could.
She is a better snatch game character than like i don't know any of the ones i say i'll do you found your your snatch game i did you know what i realized the other day all along in my life i've known my karaoke song but i've never done it have we talked about this no i just you ever have that feeling when you're at the karaoke bar and you leave with a state, within a state of despair. Because something's missing.
Something was missing. You didn't sing your song.
You did not get there. And you want to know why? It's because you get your hands on the book and you're so spoiled for choice that you're like, your brain stops working.
Why did you and Jared just point to each other? Like y'all have an inside joke.

No,

we were,

no,

no, no.

I was telling Jared about like the whole James Seamus treat us on like

Netflix and how it's ruining the culture.

And like,

and Jared and I were talking about how like,

like he was talking about the spoke that he was reading about the,

like the birth of the American supermarket and how it's the same thing.

Like when you,

when human beings are overwhelmed with choice,

our brains just shut down.

Damn.

Yes.

Anyway,

I actually think you ever be walking around.. I actually think, you ever be walking around

We're getting so...

You ever be walking around New York

and you know you have to eat lunch

but you don't

eat for an hour and a half

and you just keep walking?

This has been me.

Wow.

What's your turn?

Yes, yes. We need to get back on track.

Now we need to go back towards the central question that we asked at the beginning of this episode um let's see 13 minutes ago which is where are we going what are we doing okay well the first thing i want to say is that my karaoke song going forward yes is get out of my dreams get into my car by the one the only tell about this, because I saw you post that song on your stories, and I go, I guess Matt's really having a moment with this song. I am.
But how did this come up? Well, it came up because I was really in my room, and I guess what I was doing was I was sort of smoking weed. And one thing led to another.
And I just realized I know what the most fun song of all time is. And I know what song sits in my voice the best.
And I gave it a shot. I gave it a shot in my room.
Give us a shot now. In my room.
Would you like to hear some of my song? I'm clamoring. This is my rendition of Get Out of My Dreams, Get Into My Car by Billy Ocean.
Who's that lady coming down the road? Who's that lady? Who's that woman walking down the road? What's the score? I'll be the sun shining on you. Hey, Cinderella, step in your shoes.
I'll be your nonstop lover. Get a while you get nonstop miracle.
I'm your man. Get out of my dream.
Hey. Get into my car.
Get out of my dream. into my car get out of my dream get in the backseat baby get into my car how do we feel about that nothing has ever felt more like in your spirit than both like the words of the song, the way you performed it, obviously.
And not every word was even right. Right.
It didn't matter. I'm ready to start singing that around the country.
How do you feel about stepping into your destiny? I feel that the key was a little high. That I picked for myself.
I'm asking you how you feel. But I feel like I conquered it.
I feel that the key was a little high that I picked for myself.

I'm asking you how you feel. But I feel

like I conquered it. I feel like

it was definitely a

profound, spirited

vocal. I'm not talking about the vocal.

How do I feel about it? I'm talking about

the emotional reality

of stepping into

your destiny. Let me tell you something.

There's nothing like music ever. And that's rule of culture number 30.
let me tell you something there's nothing like music ever and that's rule of culture number 30 let me tell you something there is nothing like music ever and when i feel you connect with a song and you know this because i've seen you connect with a song and deliver it far between yes so beautifully that people scream from outside the venue bow and yang used to do no no we're not doing this no i'm asking you answer the question how do i feel now that i've i feel like i'm telling you like i'm ready to step into any atmosphere and bring the mood up when i have that track play

can i just say it's me and the rest of my future with that song because can i just say this is this is just out of love and not like actual jealousy but i'm so jealous what do you mean because no because you didn't let me say the one that you do well here before that though i know what you're going to say,

but I want to say,

like, I,

gosh, like,

I have never connected

with... that you do.
Here, before that though, I know what you're going to say, but I want to say like,

I,

gosh,

like I have never connected with any piece of media

entertainment art

the way you just did

with that song.

That isn't true

and you forget yourself

in the words

of the amazing

Angelica

from Hamilton

because

you're like me. Go.
You know I listened to the whole thing today. Satisfied? Mm-hmm.
That's an amazing song. Can I say something? I've been on one all day.
You as with... All fucking day.
Jared, you can use words. Hi.
Then Michael pick you up. You've been on one all day.
I'm sorry. I just yelled at you.
I'm sorry. I just sorry I just yelled at you it's so crazy he really yelled at him you yelled at him okay thank you I know what you're gonna say you notice he does these little tactics to throw off the scent but I won't I'm like a dog with a bone with this moment in culture, which is when Bowen Yang steps forth to perform the song Bang Bang My Baby Shot Me Down by Nancy Sinatra in the style of Lady Gaga.
And the aesthetic of Cher. Let's say it's in the great tradition of divas.
You haven't seen anything.

This is what I'm going to say.

And I'm sitting back

in my chair. And I am at the end

of a very long table.

And I'm so happy this is where I'm

sitting because I can look my sister dead

in her eyes and say this

is what I'm going to say.

We will do these two songs

next year at the culture awards.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

And,

and no one understands what the implications of that are right now.

The implications are enormous.

And I have never been happier in

my entire

life because I

know what's going to happen.

This is the greatest gift you've ever given me.

I can see the

future.

I can see the future.

And it is so bright.

That's what we'll do.

That's what we'll do. That's what we'll do.

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All episodes streaming April 4th on Hulu. And to finally go back to the original question that was posed at the beginning of this episode, we're at my house.
We're hours away from going to the airport to Amsterdam to go see Taylor. And then we will be in Sicilia next week and we'll probably be giving you an episode from there.
We will be giving you, for the very first time, an episode from, not Europe because we've done an episode from Europe. This is, I guess, first from Italy.
From Italy. This is a huge moment in the box.
Our first Italian episode. Our first ever Italian episode.
Wow. Do you know what I think is going to happen? What? Just because spiritually, I think that this is sort of what tends...
Yeah, yeah. I feel this happening.
I can't explain how. Lady Gaga is going to make some type of announcement while we're there.
Period. Like, there's a reason why we're

going to Italy. There's so, I can feel

in the air, when I lick my fingers

and put them up in the air, I can literally feel Gaga

in the air, and I will

say... You feel LG7

kiss your fingers?

I actually have been watching quite a few

YouTube videos about what may

be in the cards for LG7, and

I find myself not ready to make a prediction, but to sort of start to forecast what this is going to be. Have you noticed a lot of black and white imagery in her recent press, a lot of sort of, Oh my God.
Even allusions to like the dark side of the moon, the light side of the moon, that duality. There are some people online who think that she might be giving like a Dante Alighieri, like Paradiso, like sort of heaven and hell, black and white, sort of like something like that.
Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, but there was some videos that really got into this. And it seems like the black and white of it all has to be intentional.
And there's something with the moon. She said, good night to the moon at the end of- Dance into the shadow of the moon.
Chromatica, ball, and then the LG seven popped up. I just think there's something going on.
And she's also made comments recently, like, I'm going to hell. Like, I'll see you in hell.
Like, she's been a little on one with the heaven and hell imagery and the black and white imagery.

And people are connecting all of this.

Why has that been missing in the culture?

Heaven and hell.

It needs to make a comeback.

Hold on.

So in that snippet, I think they intentionally took out that third word or dancing in the shadow of the blank hold on hold on sorry shadow of the I think that there's something with the moon that's's the moon. Oh my God.
Why do I have chills? And I also think that we must be returning to like Born This Way harder. Maybe like a vibe.
You know what I'm saying? I just think we might be going back to like, because Chromatica was still like fun. And i think we might go back to like hard and dark that seems to me like post joker the mentality that it's giving we can't forget what she gave at the oscars when she had just come from filming the joker like the state that she was in when she sang hold my hand from top gun like i don't know if she was recording or writing then i would imagine like she was using some of what she was feeling to put into her work.
But like, I don't know. I think that we can definitely, I think we're going to get something hard because I also think she's going to want it to feel like it matches the tone of whatever Joker Folia is going to give.
And I think that movie is going to go hard. So I think we're in for an extreme Gaga era.
Oh my God. Because the producers that they've announced so far are- Gustaflestein.
Gustaflestein. Peggy Gao.
The Weeknd, sure. Yeah.
And Rick Rubin, again. The Weeknd is scary pop.
So I'm into it for Gaga. Rick Rubin, which I don't think she's worked- I don't think she's worked with him since Art Pop.
I am so happy about it because Rick Rubin gives a big dramatic vocal. Always.
Big dramatic vocal. And then Caroline Polchek.
Oh, come on. This is going to be really...
See, this is how you fucking come back with cool fucking producers and bring relationships from the past, but also move forward. This would be how you do that.
This is our corollary to our Katy Perry polemic last episode. Look, I didn't say it, Bowen Yang said it.
Anyway. I said all of it last week.
And then now we're getting back on track. Oh yes, a Sicily episode.
And then we were nearing something earlier. We were nearing something earlier? We were nearing a topic of conversation.
I mean, CXOXO, you mean my girl? Let's talk about it. Cute girl, what a sick mind.
I said a couple weeks ago, I wasn't even considering this new Camila era as culture. I was like, I don't like whatever this looks like.
It looked like too much of a Charlie XCX ripoff to me. It looked too too like oh that girl might be going through like a quarter life in a way that's like i just didn't take seriously because i didn't think that anything good was going to come of it if she's going through a quarter life she fucking delivered to me on like at least putting a whole bunch of that in the album it feels like extreme and fun and like she's just like really connected to whatever culture it is that brought out like this fun little pops of energy.
Like I liked the fucking album and I was not checking for it. And I'm a Camila fan too.
Like I like her, some of her old albums. I don't think she's been a fave of mine, but like I judged this on face value and maybe that's my fault.
Maybe it's their fault in marketing, but the album is great. I like it a lot, a lot.
Nothing too alarming about the thing that people are saying, which is like, oh, it's messy. It's a little too all over the plate.
It's a little too all over the map, but you're like, see, at what point is it all over the map? And at what point is it meant to be like the other side of that coin is like, oh, this person's so versatile or this album is so versatile. Or it's just like, this is a real snapshot.
There's insane things that happen in this album. There's one track that's just literally a fan's voicemail to her about how much one of her other albums meant to him because his dog died.
That's one whole track in the album. I'm i'm like this is insane it's such a weird choice but it's little things like that that i think sometimes help make an album memorable like there's little pieces in here little transitions where like there's one called 305 till i die which is just her and a bunch of girls getting ready to go somewhere i was joking with cory camp patrol he was coming on our vacation he was, that's literally just us on the way to Aeros tour, like 305 till I die.
There's little bizarre things in here which make me feel like, oh, you know what I like about this? She wasn't too precious about it. It seems like she actually kind of threw up her hands with this one and was like, I don't know.
I'm going through it. I'm going to make an album about things I love like Miami and partying and like being a little bit of like an obsessive romantic person and put it in there and I'm gonna be blonde and I just I don't know I get it and I was hard on her but I love it you are such you are very developed in that thinking that's very very very nice you feel yes this? Jared and I were remarking on how the visuals are very good and creative team is doing excellent, excellent, excellent work along with, which includes her, obviously.
Well, that's why he's really, why he's here. Jared is our Miami correspondent as we talk about Camila Cabello.
So like words that were popping out to me were like Biscayne, Collins Avenue, 305, Jade County. Can you sort of like translate some of the Miami stuff in here? And how do you think Camila did as a Miami girl? So as a fellow Miami girl, as a 305 sister, as a Biscayne hottie, okay.
As someone who also loves samples on songs called Boats, I really do feel as though Camila is always undervalued. She's always underrated.
Yes, there is a slight hyper-pop ability to her in this moment in time. But I think that the album is just, you know, the sounds of the ocean, the sounds of a cafecito in a warm summer breeze.
And what I will, just to back up Bowen's thought about the visual aesthetic, like the girl knows how to pick a director.

They're all super interesting.

She's never boring.

Her choices are weird.

She's a cat in a tree in one video that's trying to be cut down by the place.

You love that one.

It made me absolutely giggle.

And do I know what Playboy Cardi is saying on the verse?

Couldn't tell you if my life depended on it.

But baby, that's Miami.

We don't know who's speaking or what they're saying, but we do know one thing.

They came to sleigh.

They came to sleigh.

And we're going to be right back. couldn't tell you if my life depended on it but baby that's Miami we don't know who's speaking or what they're saying but we do know one thing they came to slay your favorite track is I think he knows I think he knows I love it and I love the music video and I love that Nos and Camila fight over the same guy which we don't see enough in the culture it says there shouldn't be labels it's saying que is the future.
Get on board or get out my house. Get out and into my car.
GTFO. Oh my God.
The best song ever. I'm so excited to do it next year for the Culture Awards.
And then there's a moment at the end of the Nas video where Camila and Nas do a little bit of a bit and Camila lands it. Camila really nails the acting moment she i mean there's nothing more i need than a sketch at the top of a pop music video and you i'm just gonna say this you can tell a lot from the quality of those sketches 1000 and when someone comes in and is kristin wigging it like camila cabello who is just as funny as Kristen wig that is what everyone here was saying off mic she's the people Cinderella like when push comes to shove this girl is the comedy future she's a Dina Menzel stepdaughter you don't get funnier than that.
I am blown away by this idea. Would you say that she's a cute girl with a sick mind? Talk about your love for Chanel No.
5. I love Chanel No.
5. Talk about why, because we're not getting it.
Oh, my God. I love Chanel.
Well, I don't know. It's like, cute girl with a a sick mind it doesn't take much more than that for me but i will say this about cute girl with a sick mind like if that's true then the rest of the album i kind of want to hear about her sick dark thoughts well i think it's all there i think it's like her sick dark thoughts are i'm gonna put of fan voicemail on my fucking album.
I honestly, I think that that's so

in. her sick dark thoughts are, I'm going to put a fan voicemail on my fucking album.
Honestly, I think that that's so insane to do. It's sick minded.
It's sick minded. It's dark sided, but I love it.
And I think it like gives it something. I think she said, put that on there.
This is what we're talking about. Like pop right now needs like serrated edges.
Serrated edges. I was thinking about that.
Like there is something serrated edge about this. And I realized after we had that conversation, how important that is, what you said.
The serration. The serration is, because guess what? We're still split years later about whether or not Solar Power was a good album.
And maybe it was. I think it was.
It just didn't have the serrated edge. I've been listening to a lot of Lorde over the past few days just because she is so back, as we all found out last week.
But nothing compares to melodrama. Melodrama.
I mean, nothing compares. I was going to say super drama.
Super drama. Super cut on melodrama.
I actually think it might be Antonov's best.

Melodrama is...

Big statement.

When you combine what an incredible lyricist she is

with his production,

forget about how singular her vocal is

and how it feels like she is truly the only one

like her in the entire universe.

But they really were a match made in heaven. yeah in competition with one Norman fucking Rockwell I would do Liza 89 no because that's not the things that we love a lot of the things that we love from 1989 are not Jack's.
Like it's not a Jack majority album

where I could like make that distinction.

I would have to say,

I would have to say folklore or lover,

but as body of works, it's 50-50.

The thing about Jack and melodrama is it was the two of them.

It was Ella and Jack like in a room

making this cohesive like one in a billion album. I just don't know that him and Taylor have had that cohesive experience on one album.
I will say I am a midnight stan over time. Complete midnight stan.
And I think that people need to listen to Maroon again. That's all I'll say about that.
Maroon. So skylit it was maroon.
I mean, that's right there for you, too. Hold on.
The implications of Matt saying that we are singing these songs at Culture Awards are unfathomable, and I actually don't think I can do it. Bowen, that's not your decision to make.

It is God's decision and he has spoken through me.

I'm very... I am a vessel.

I'm sure this is complete divinity.

It is your destiny.

But I can't do it.

It is your destiny.

I can't do it in that context.

Yes, you can.

We're going to set the intention

and we're going to speak on it later but now what has happened no this is what was supposed to happen we're supposed to get here stoned you guys no i'm clear i'm very clear i've actually never been so clear freaked out you are going to eat there let me ask you a question. What's five plus three? How many letters in stallion? How many letters in devoured? I can't count.
How many slices of pizza usually? How many John and Kate fucked up shit? What? How many John and Kate plus?

Hey boo Hey boo Spiders have how many? Legs that is Legs Hey my favorite Adam Sandler movie Blank blank crazy nights you could just say how many nights in honuk that's not what i said sad oh wait we didn't you know we didn't talk about in june gloom by camilla cabello of the album cxoxo girl when she goes, does she get this one for you, baby? You haven't heard it yet, have you? You haven't listened to the whole album. I'm scared.
I'm scared to listen to a song called June Gloom when we were just recently in that month. Well, thank God we've left it because finally it's Pride Month.
It's July and we are so excited as always to represent the community. We love you all and this is the podcast where every gay person can feel represented.
Legebetic is here to stay. Is here to stay.
How do you feel about how the word has caught on? It has. I feel really touched by the way the community has really gotten together.
Community gets so, I thought collectivism was over. No, it's just beginning.
It's just beginning. It's just beginning.
Just beginning. Collectivism is just beginning.
Oh my God. Why are you thinking about the...
No, I'm thinking about a story, the story that Jimmy Fowley shared on this podcast that he then shared at a pitch meeting on Monday which was unforgettable the way Jimmy Fowley slays at SNL but like in the room you've never seen a room more obsessed with a gay man he is the gay king of snl i like it was always him always jimmy fucking fowley but he but remember that story he showed on the podcast where like he found out his ex was cheating on him or something and he and so then he threw um i forgot what he threw something at the car door it was a full baseball bat it was a full baseball bat or like a water bottle or something. He literally bust the windows in your car.

Like he literally, he like did that song to his ex.

And then the ex said,

what the fuck?

And then Jimmy swerves,

like flips to you.

And in the most cinematic way it goes,

it says to him,

this is just the beginning.

This is just the beginning.

Can you believe that his episode of Lost Coach is not called, this is Just The Beginning? What were we thinking? It's called Freak Sick. Freak Sick? No, I don't remember what Freak Sick is.
I would be curious to go listen to that one again because that was when you guys barely knew each other. We did not know each other.
But I have been a Jimmy Fallon Superstam Oh, I was a fan. since the beginning.
Didn't he do The Secret Life of Go-Go Dancers? What was that? Yes, yes, that was him

it was gogo boy interrupted

he's so fucking funny

Jimmy's great

he is a natural lightning rod

comedy star

love him

it is just the beginning

that's what brought me to that

collectivism is just beginning

you have such a good memory

do you think that we're so

we numb ourselves out so much because we can feel how dark everything is all around us? Is that why you think we numb ourselves? Like, let's really get real. Yeah.
Why do you, each and every day, choose to numb the pain? Drugs. Alcohol.
Why do you think... Why do you think you can't face how dark the world is is it because if you start you won't stop ask a question oh honey despair that's what's what we all want to avoid you will fall into it you will fall into despair you You will fall into despair.
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That's Z-O- am. Yeah.
No, be afraid. Be very afraid.
And I don't want to hear either of them talk, but especially not Joe. Uh, yeah.
Cause the descriptions that were coming out just verbally, like that I was just reading. I was just like, no, no, no, no, no.
And I say this as a dual citizen comedian. Honestly, I was thinking of you because I was like, my girl has some place to go.
I'm lucky. And now isn't that fucked up though? Like that's where we're at.
I know. We actually can't talk about this.
I mean, the thing is like, I guess we can't talk about it because we don't want to make vibes bad. But like, isn't that fucked up though? We, we can't even talk about it because it is a vibes destroyer and low key.
It should, it should be, I guess, because I was like, so I think one of the reasons I was like on a tear this morning is because like that shit happened with the Supreme Court where like, I don't know, X, Y, Z here, probably something different by the time this comes out, but like whatever today it got even worse. Yeah.
And I was just like was just like god damn it like when is someone just gonna come in and just fucking like save us or like no one no one no one's gonna do it like but i'm just like we and then i was like thinking about how high i was and everything and i was just like god i guess i gotta stop and at some point just be like this thing that we have been fearing coming this election that we have been fearing coming is gonna come and i think the debates made that very clear for me the other night where i was like wow he really is the person that we are choosing to go up against someone who is a full-blown dictator this is the guy this is the guy that's gonna do it and i'm like i don't know i don't know if the best thing for everyone under him is to be like support him support him support him someone might have to step up and be like no no i am the strong powerful voice of this party and i am not going to allow decorum to to like send us into a tailspin because we need someone to step up and be like we are strong you don't have to have to be afraid. We are going to preserve democracy.
May I speak freely? Speak freely. I feel like there is, like we all long for someone, not to throw the wicked reference, but we all long for someone to be behind the curtain in the Emerald City of the Democratic Party who's here pulling strings or ready to save us.
I do not think that person exists. Oh my God.
I do not think there's anyone behind the curtain. I don't know that there's anyone driving the car at this point.
I think the closest person we have is Obama. I think collectively the people who I know who are the most intelligent and well-read on just the political process and whether or not he could be replaced lost all hope that that could be a plan when obama tweeted the next day

the obama tweet fucking sunk my soul i think that he's the closest that we have to someone who's powering the democratic party and is the quote-unquote pulling the strings behind the curtain but beyond that like i don't know that that person is there there's no like string here because it's so personal to this one man's condition.

And it's like, it's so that's, what's fucked up about. There's no like lobbying into like getting him to drop out.
You know what I mean? There's, there's no like money you can throw at that problem. It's like, this is an, this is an old man who like is too stubborn to make that decision.
I just think it's, it's gotten to a point where it's like, why are we lying to ourselves? Like, why, why would we pretend that this is the person that's going to make us look the strongest? We need to look strong. And he, he literally is in fact quite depressing.
Like, that's the thing is like, you do need to be able to center a campaign around a person.

That is the way this works.

And if the whole thing is like, well, low-key, we can't do that,

but it's about bigger than him.

It's like, but why does it have to be that?

We can't just put someone in there if it's about more than him.

That's more inspiring.

I get that there's rules, and I understand that people disagree, but it's just like hard to look at it the way that it is and be like, yeah, you know what? What we have to do is support the current situation harder. What? That doesn't make any sense.
In 2024, do you smoke a joint and go from Camila Cabello, CXXO to the end? But this is lost cult. This is.
This is Lost Cult. And that's on Lost Culturistas.
Maybe that's on Lost Culturistas. And I think it speaks to just the way that CXOXO speaks to her life right now.
This episode speaks to her life. This speaks to the culture.
That's why this is called M-R-B-Y-X-O-X-O. I thought it was called...
Okay, but yeah. But what's it called? I thought it was called something else.
Did we name this episode already? Yeah, I think you already did. What was it? It was a lot going on at the moment.
A lot going on at the moment. No, it's M-R-B-Y-X-O-X-O.
Cute girls with sick minds? Or should it be cute girls with sick minds? Cute girls with sick minds. Period.
Talking about something that could actually save democracy, the man behind the curtain. They're painting the brat wall again today.

Yeah, they are. That is huge.

They're painting the brat wall

again. The best political news we've

gotten in... Can't trust

red, can't trust blue, you can't

trust green. That's who goes to number

58. You can't trust red,

you can't trust blue, you can't trust

green.

Sympathy is a knife featuring Taylor. Y'all are sick.
It would never happen. It's never going to happen.
Never going to happen. A lot going on at the moment, but not that.
Oh, God. What could be next? What could she literally do? Remember when she was on our podcast and said, we joked, Miriam Cosby is going to be on a track with you she said yeah full remix album is going to be her she like implied the release of a remix album charlie has a counterpoint in the world and it is mariam cosby on the salt light cast like mariam cosby is the charlie xcx of real house absolutely yeah i do think that there's going to be a remix album because I feel like Caroline Polachek and recently Marina from Marine and the Diamonds have been so brat-tastic on social media in ways where I'm like, you jumping on a song? Caroline going to jump on Apple if it's the last thing she does.
Oh, of course. I need it.
It's so AG. It's so good.
You know what we're going to do when he made it?

Jump.

Jump.

Period.

What is your single favorite line from Brat?

To the airport.

That's good.

Which we're going to literally be singing when we get to the car.

I'm going to be insufferable later.

My single favorite line, it's really hard to choose.

For now, right now, it's going to be, be till the windows crack I'll be bumping that. Till the windows crack.
Can you imagine bumping that so hard that the windows shatter? I fucking love it. I hope to God we all get to experience that

before the Civil War.

I'm so happy this month is Pride Month.

Me too, July.

Because we are going to,

we have so many parties to look forward to

where people are going to be bumping that

till the windows crack.

And what's your,

can I return the question to you?

This is a huge question.

I'm going to say

my favorite line from Brad always on my mind you want a power like a lightning strike i do love you had a power like a lightning strike i think that's really beautiful i think that i listened to that song a lot more than i so i yeah i thought i thought i would i mean it's so sad, but it's so beautiful. And it's so like personal.
I, I was said to Ted, um, who reps Charlie and reps Kelly from Atlantic records the other day. I saw him at pride and I was like, I wish that I had gotten to listen to that album like four or five more times before she came in, because I don't think it hit me till like a couple days after we recorded with her.
Like, and then the album came out, like just how much I loved it. You should have her back on again, like Charlie part two after, because no one, she didn't expect Brat to take, no one expect, you don't think? No one, no one.
She was, she had the number three album in the country. She's never had that before.
Like she's chart more songs than she has in the last decade. I know that she, obviously, she believed in the music and she's so smart, not only sonically, but also her marketing team.
Taste. This rollout is flawless.
Incredible, but I still feel like she could not have imagined what a moment this would be. I feel like that was the vision.
I think it was the vision, but like, she's just, she had such vision with Crash. She had such vision with Pop 2.
Like she's, oh, it's never the music that is not, it's the culture caught up to her. The culture caught up to her.
She was always ahead. And she, there's even a line on the, like, it is hard to be ahead and she's always ahead and her taste is always so futuristic, but of the moment.
And I feel like, like commercially the audience finally responded to her the way that they always should have. And after I feel like she's had so many, some would say disappointments, like commercially, like what this might feel like and how validating it must feel.
I hope that she's like, I would be so curious from this vantage point what it feels

like for her because this reception is like

it's, I feel like

it has a bigger cultural footprint than

some albums that were quotably bigger

in sales or streaming or charge numbers.

Like the cultural footprint

of Brat is like

through the straps.

This is what you need for something iconic to hit in this way.

Like an attitude. It just needs an attitude.
And Brat is literally in the title. This is what you need for something iconic to hit in this way, like an attitude.
It just needs an attitude. And Brad is, it's literally in the title.
Bratitude. It's Bratitude, but like, I think same for like, chapel shit.
It's like, 100%. It's not even a point of view.
Like, that's even too general of a term. It's like, there is like, a way you are like, orienting yourself towards like, this thing.
And like, if other people can relate to that, then like they're going to fucking love it. Yeah.
Authenticity. Like I really feel like chapel specifically and like Charlie are both incredibly vulnerable artists, which we don't see a lot.
They have a sound that we don't always see honed in the way that they hone it. Like you hear a Charlie song.
It's Charlie. It's no one else.
Everything else is imitation. Same thing with Chapel.
It's just like two singular, authentic, truthful voices who are taking structures of songs, types of songs that we love and putting their own spin on them in a way where it's just like unforgettable and of the moment. And it's just like, those are not the two.
When you named all the pop stars that are releasing albums this year like those weren't the two i thought would would take over no way isn't it wild how that all shook out now i'm thinking about like the even pop vocal album this year like half of these girls are getting snubbed if she if charlie doesn't get nominated i think that will be well this is what i was saying it was like she put it in Dance Electronic album, but my thing is, in a world where we're actually judging things for what they are, I believe that Brat is a pop vocal album. It's a pop vocal.
Because she is the point of view. She is the artist.
She is the star. You don't listen to that album for the music any more than you listen to Hit Me Hard and Soft from Billie Eilish for that production and that music.

You could really compare the two in that regard. And in that way, you definitely wouldn't put Billie Eilish in Dance Electronic.
You would put her where she belongs in Pop Vocal, and I believe that's where Brat belongs. That being said, Renaissance won Dance Electronic album two years ago.
And I would absolutely agree with people who said that that is a moment where Beyonce is also the artist. It's not necessarily the music you listen for.
I think it's a weird case. Probably pop vocal album then as well for that album, but it has won that category.
So there is precedent for Charlie to submit it there. I just think she is so clearly the pop artist.
You know what I mean? Sure. Although, is it maybe a thing within the Academy where it's like a pop vocal album has to be like defined in this way where like the vocal isn't like too processed or whatever the fuck? Maybe.
In certain cases, like they could submit, that artist can submit an album for a category then like there are people on the grammy committee who will listen to it and they'll be like actually it's not this category it's this other category and then they move it yeah so ultimately i don't feel like it's up to them but i don't know you've talked about defining dance electronic from the pov of the music over the artist where the artist in the front and for me it is more like a sound but either, what it sounds like sonically, and I think Charlie straddles the line. I do think 360 should win the Padom Padom Rush Grammy, the new one, the pop dance recording.
Oh, definitely. Yeah.
Definitely. 360 has that in the back.
I mean, I think she should do whatever it is that's going to win her Grammys. Like, don't get me wrong.
Like, if Brad's going to stomp in there and it could be a multiple Grammy winner for being in dance electronic fields, she should do that. But I just think, but I think what we're all saying is we, we hope that she, we hope that this is all put into like the above the line quote unquote award.
Oh God. I think it's, I think it should be an album of the year nominee for 100%.
Also speaking to the marketing, you could teach like a college course in marketing about like, you know, like I wonder if at like Clive Davis and stuff, they're talking about, which is like the recording. So basically there's like a school at NYU, which is called the Clive Davis, you know, recording Academy or whatever the fuck.
And you learn how to become like a real music industry participant, whether it's as an artist, as a producer, as a writer, it's something. And I would imagine that this is something that people are looking at like, this is how an artist simultaneously had all their integrity and authenticity and all of their brand already that's there encompassed in something new that was able to be marketed to everyone else and also backed it up with music that track by track, like the mission statement of that album, the word brat was in every single thing.
And then when you think about the things that have come in the week since the album's release, like the Lord version, like the meme ability of the way she announces things, it's like there's layers to it. There's so much going on.
And even hearing her talk about how like, no, like there were hours and hours of discussion about the green color. Like every single detail in this is from her has been, it has been mulled over so, so much in a way that you're like, you must respect this.
Come on. There was a gay guy at Pride who says that his mom and his straight best friends, anytime they say lime green out in the wild, if it's a literal lime or just the color of a poster, they'll take a photo and send it to him.
That's cute. And be like, brah.
Brah. But also credit where credit's due.
I think we have to shout out Charlie's manager, Brandon, who also does Troy and Ariana. And Terry, who's her photographer and has done a lot of design.
100%. Terry's also Benny Drama's boyfriend.
We love Terry. The sweetest in the world.
And they slayed the marketing role out of this. And I mean, gag.
We're honored that we were a small part of it. It's so cool.
By the way. Have you talked about Paige DeSorbo doing your audio? I will get to that in a second.
But I want to say, you have Kul Terese in your blood. You need to be.
It's just cool. By the way, I will get to that in a second,

but I want to say you have culture in your blood.

You need to really serve in a way that was very,

you really serve.

Jared is third host.

I am gay.

So my life has prepared me for this,

but it's because you guys create such a warm atmosphere.

Oh,

whatever. But wait, what would what yeah page the sorbo page the sorbo did our well we had we don't even said on the podcast we had one of our sounds the charlie gave a charlie episode gave us a viral sound it's a huge honor and like literally the the like kennedy's of our time craig conover and page DeSorbo did the sound.
And I said, thank you. Now I know what true class and elegance looks like with our silly little words coming out of your mouth.
I love that couple might have to watch summer house. I honestly, everyone says that it's the next frontier.
Jared Frieder, like it's his comfort food television. Well, can I say I just finished the Valley and I was was promised very big things and I do not think it lived up to those things.
The Valley's a little too dark for me. If I wanted to see straight people getting divorced, I'd just look around the real world.
I want Escape from Bravo. I want Escape.
And Escape is brought to you in the form of Summer House. Paige DeSorbo, the funniest person on Bravo, the voice of reason in the way that Bethany always wanted to be, but never was because she's, you know, Bethany.
And this, it was the Scandaball season where basically Lindsay and Carl, who'd been on the show from the beginning and were best friends, decided to get engaged too fast. And then their engagement imploded on the cameras in front of the whole world to see.
And for some reason it didn't feel as dark as the Valley because there's the escapism of like the other characters. Or the Valley, there's like kids involved and shit.
It's just so sad. When there's people arguing and kids nearby, I'm always like, it's death though.
Devastating. I always want to just scream, scream out like, this guy.
Kill girl with a sick mind! And just distract from everything, you know? You know? Like, I wish when when I was a little little boy and my parents would bitterly fight I could just at 3 years old have been like cute girl what a sick mind you sound really incredible you think so you're a great voice Well, maybe we should use our voices

to speak out about something called

I Don't Think So Honey.

Wait, I quickly want to say...

What?

Oh, no, maybe this is...

No, I've got two I Don't Think So Honey,

so I'm going to get one thing out of the way.

Go.

Which is...

So this is something you just want to speak on,

and I can't believe I didn't bring this up earlier

when we were talking about Gaga.

Go.

The rumor is...

Diddy's lawyers finally fired him do you know why why because allegedly Gaga who they also represent called him and was like I'm firing you guys if you don't fucking drop Diddy this second how dare you and they're like okay okay but like god I don't think so many of those fucking lawyers I'm sure they're great but if it like you had no moral conscience like to oh and oh my god this like Austin Wolfe shit things are dark right now the tops are falling left and right literally is Diddy a top no I'm just saying like he's not let's just say Austin Wolfe was not the only top oh are there other ones too that are like falling apart Michael Lucas like oh well that's he's been far gone forever oh god Michael Lucas has been fucking disgusting it doesn't matter where you stand on things he's just been disgusting yeah and not not good but anyway like like literally signing Israeli missiles with like love Michael Lucas. It's pretty fucked up.

Fuck, fuck, fuck you.

Anyway,

all these men are going down.

Oh, whatever.

There are great, wonderful tops

out there that aren't like this.

Okay. And that's a rule of culture.

I think 59.

59.

There are great, wonderful tops out there Thank you. Okay? And that's a rule of culture.
I think 59.

There are great wonderful tops out there

who are not them.

Who are not them.

Doing all this stuff.

For those of you, just Google it.

It's so awful. Just Google it.

The Austin Wolf thing is awful.

Oh, it's going down.

You guys, like, it's going down, you guys. Like, it's going down.
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Anyway, CXOXO, it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. And I guess I'll go first.
Okay. Wow, this episode has been a wild and rollicking ride.
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I got my thing. This is Matt Rogers.
I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. The use of the word darling in songs, like it's something people say.
A few months ago, my sister Bowen Yang did an I Don't Think So Honey about when people say God damn in songs as filler. There is nothing more filler than when someone says darling.
You're so right. Literally no one ever in life, least of all a cool pop star that is like millennial age or younger, is referring to any significant other or friend or family member as darling.
So when we have a song and the word is darling queen, we know it could have gone through another couple of passes. And yes, I have been sitting here singing the praises of one CXO XO.
She's saying darling in the song in a way that I don't believe from Camila Cabello, who's throwing it back on Dade County dreaming just a few tracks before. Like, I don't know if that girl being like, hey, darling, let's go out to the club.
I don't believe it. Darling is filler.
Darling is not good. I don't think so, honey, darling.
I don't believe you, honey, that you say darling. And that's one minute.
Y'all feel me? I feel you so hard. Like, guess what wasn't nominated for the culture award for old timey thing to say again.
My darling, darling, darling dear. You only use it.
Ironically. You only use it because language is a beautiful like palette to choose from.
She literally is like, um, what did she say? She goes, does she get this word for your baby? And then she's like, something, something, my darling. I'm like, no, you don't say how wet you are and then my darling in the same sentence.
Like, no one's coming home and seeing you in the bed. And you're like, I'm so wet, darling.
That's the sick mind. That's the sick mind that you're looking for.
I guess that was the sick. I'm telling you, the sick mind, the clues were there.

What are you talking about?

The sick mind I was craving is like, I'm so wet, darling.

And I'm so wet, darling.

And fan voicemail about his dog dying.

Literally, it's insane.

Like, this world is not okay.

And I hope she's getting the help that we support her all the way.

But it made an album that was serrated. Serrated.
Serrated. And Frida said underrated.
Ooh. Bone Yang, are you galvanized? Are you ready to do it? I don't think so, honey.
I'm ready. This is Bone Yang's I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Delta 360 Club. How can I get the invite? I think all three of us here at this table should get the invite.
Oh, Matt is already a look at it. Of course.
That's amazing. But I looked it up.
I looked it up. I was like, well, how do you qualify for 360? Because it's just like a big secret, invite only thing.
You get a default invitation if you're 5 million miler. Honey, who's got the time? Are there even that many miles? 30 seconds.
That's a great question. To travel in a life? Right.
I don't know about that. It's giving very SNL ticket lottery.
Oh, they'll draw your name in 40 years. It's just, why would you ever do that? Because even back when I was growing up, quote unquote, I was like, I'm not signing up for the lottery.
I'm never going to get up. I got in once.
See, some people aren't as lucky as Matt Rodgers. Even though I'm certainly blessed.
But Delta 360. Five seconds.
When I'm in the mirror, I like what I see. And I want to see myself in the club.
That was beautiful. I don't think so.
That's one minute. That's one minute.
Oh, that oh that was really good yeah i'm a 360 member i what did you get the invite tell me girl what were you gonna tell me let's just say that girl they got that on one knee they proposed to me oh i said yes i said yes i don't remember i just literally looked at my phone one day and i was like oh i'm a 360 member and I don't really recall how it happened I don't even know what the perks are though like what is it you just get to I don't know slay I mean I did fly so fucking much right well I mean I guess I'm jealous of you yeah current status Delta 360 I'm jealous because you're 360 and because you have stepped into your destiny with get out of my dreams and into my car get out of my dreams it's now time for Jared Frieder I don't think so honey do you have one I know you can do one on this episode you've contributed that it means that've contributed so much. It means that you come through with a I don't think so, honey.
Okay, give me five seconds. Okay, I have it.
Ah! Do you want to time him? One second. Yeah, I'll time him.
This is Jared Frieder's I don't think so, and his time starts new. I don't think so, honey.
Radio counting for too much to the Billboard Hot 100. Why is Morgan Wallen still at number one for the sixth week in a row when

Nespresso My Girl is still stuck at number three? It's radio. I don't need these country radio stations playing these racists on and on and on so they can top the charts.
That's not why I'm gay. That's not why Billboard's my homepage.
I don't need to see that man's face. I want Sabrina.
I want Chapel. I want Charlie.
I want the streams to count for more. I want to know what the people are listening to.
Okay, that should be

reflected in these charts. I'm tired

of, I'm tired of, I mean, much love to iHeartRadio sponsor and host of Lost Cultures. But some of these other, but some of these other radio stations are just out, out of control and it's too much.
And I think that we would have gotten, I think two most wanted would have charted higher. I think more of tortured poets would have charted higher country go back to country radio unless you're maren morris and then honey welcome you can stay especially now that you are the b in legit boutique did i say that right yes you did and that's one minute jared so how do you know the country artists don't stream well they They stream well, but the reason that like Espresso was blocked from the top spot when everyone in the world was because of Morgan and just like other radio friendly songs.
Like we love Teddy Swims. We love Loose Control.
We love Benson, but we love Beautiful Things. But these songs that feel like they are not in the culture but remain on the charts because the claws and grips of like 45 year old men who program radio is stupid.
Well, I was going to ask you, are you using the word radio as like a shortcut to just saying country radio? Because I think it's just country radio playing. It's like one part of the radio like piece.
Exactly. But country radio stations, I feel like take so much of the airwaves because that demographic of people still listen to the radio more than other people do.
And I just think that like the way that the charts work is that I forgot the breakdown of percentage, but streaming, purchasing like iTunes, then like YouTube. And like when you're watching something like that's gone viral and then radio, all are different components to what adds to chart points.
It's too big of a component. It's too big of a percentage.
And I think that like in the olden timey days, radio indicated what songs were the biggest in the country because that was the way that you got music to the people. And now that is not the way that we get music to the people.
People can choose their own music and that really indicates what's number one in the country. And I think that radio should count for a lot less.
But isn't it true though, that like that would be like, cause if a lot of people like in the middle and South of the country, like don't have streamers and they do listen to the radio, like it still is an accurate reflection of the fact that those songs are huge. I think that people in the South and the middle of the country are on Spotify and Apple music.
I think that like, it's no longer like an economic thing because there are ad supported services where people it's like not, it's not like a haves and have nots thing. Like you could make the argument during like the iTunes era when it was like Gaga and Kesha when we were in college and it was like radio or iTunes.
Well then like, of course radio, because not everyone can purchase music in that way. Sure.
But it's so much more democratized now. Like it really, it's not like an economic factor in the way that it was.
So I just think it's a little outdated. I still think it should make up a portion of percentage points that add to where something charts, but I don't think it should be as high as it is now.
Like there's no reason that espresso did not get number. Like it's crazy thatso is not number one in the States.
It's crazy. I think there is some weightedness around radio.
Yeah. And also the fact is when a song is played on the radio, that is...
No one hit play for it. A radio station was...
Chose to program a certain amount of songs. And also I know there's a lot of talk...
talk i mean maron talked about it when she was on this podcast like you know country radio is not kind to women and it's very competitive which is i you know it's just these stations are literally saying okay we have 20 songs that we play and that's it like people actually going on spotify and clicking on certain songs like is an elective like action that should be rewarded in the charts that being said i also wonder how and i do have some experience with this having put out an album and one song was put on playlist yeah that is also very powerful and also serves as a thing that someone's not necessarily electing to do because it's on a playlist and you might just be playing that playlist. I have two responses to that, but I do agree with you.
The first response to that is you have to listen to a song for 30 seconds to count as a stream, so they can hit click next and it doesn't count. Is that a fact? Yes.
And then the second thing that I'll also say is that just like girl. So confusing.
The Lord version was not on new music Friday on the playlist on Spotify. And I was like, shook.
I it's one of the biggest releases that we culturally again, and the stream suffer. No, it debuted at number 63 because even if it's not on a playlist, if the people want to listen to it, they will find it.
But had it been playlisted, it also would have had like a way. Right.
So we know that there is something in the streaming world that does also serve as a radio type of waiter that might affect something like this. Totally.
Now, Jared, I feel like, has a very granular knowledge of this because he is in a very competitive Billboard fantasy charts league.

Do you want to speak on that?

Yeah shout out to Emmett our friend Emmett from Vancouver.

Yeah I'm in the Billboard Hot 100 fantasy league and I always lose because whereas other people will look at what's charting or like what albums are coming out.

I'm like oh I will pick Taylor Swift every I don't care if she doesn't have an album coming out.

I will pick Taylor. I always pick the girls.
I will pick Miley. Did Miley have an album when I had her for a whole semester? She didn't, but I need to pick my girls.
So I always lose, but it's really fun and it's a fun way to keep up with music. You even lose on Taylor? Well, it's because sometimes I don't get a pick, Taylor.
Oh, I see. Because this round, my draft pick was so low and she was dropping.

Who'd you get?

Okay.

Well, my first pick was Billy,

which ended up being a great pick

because she performed at the end.

But Emmett himself was like,

you should trade Billy.

And I'm like,

she's going to come out

with an album that's going to slay.

So she ended up doing really well.

I had Megan Thee Stallion

for a little while,

traded her.

I have Kendrick Lamar,

which has worked out for me

in spades

because of this rap feud. Oh, yes.
Emmett was oh yeah that's very huge and i had jack harlow which at the time when we did the draft loving on me is like was then number one for six weeks and i still hold the record in my fantasy league for having the most number ones even though i don't earn the most points that That's a lot. And it's a lot.
We have to thank Jack Harlow. We have to thank Jack.
We have to thank Jack Harlow. And we also have to thank Jared because Jared came on this episode mad as hell.
And you spit so much rhyme and bars. Thank you so much.
It was a pleasure to be here. Cute boy with a sick of mine.
Um, I have one more thing to say. Yeah.
What do you want to say to everyone before we go on vacation? Um, gosh, I don't know. Well, this is what you're going to leave them with.
I think we have to say, to the airport, to the airport, to the airport, to the airport airport I hope Gaga does a moon album I think she will you wanna know why? why? cause I'm on the air we end every episode with a song of glory and I'm hanging on a falling off the Tell us some of the rest of that. Stream Art Pop! That's not...
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