"Legebatique" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 55 You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

Speaker 11 It literally happened to me yesterday.

Speaker 57 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset.

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Speaker 58 Look, man.

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Speaker 20 My IOI. Oh, and look over there.

Speaker 66 Wow, is that culture? Yes.

Speaker 20 Goodness. Wow.

Speaker 58 Las culturistas.

Speaker 67 Ding dong.

Speaker 68 Las culturistas calling.

Speaker 70 Let's work it out on the remix.

Speaker 70 Let's work it out on the remix. Do we have any of this workout in the remix?

Speaker 8 No, but that doesn't change the fact that go

Speaker 73 confusing sometimes.

Speaker 74 I don't know why.

Speaker 19 I've sort of put on even more of a British accent when I sing.

Speaker 78 That's interesting.

Speaker 79 Even though she's not that British in her sing-songiness, like, you got to kind of give it that.

Speaker 82 I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 70 Oh, I will.

Speaker 82 I feel like you were

Speaker 85 not

Speaker 17 in your anglophile bag for a little bit.

Speaker 72 And then now you're really back in it.

Speaker 88 Now I feel like Matt is really going British.

Speaker 90 You know, I literally bailed on a trip.

Speaker 92 I was going to go by myself.

Speaker 93 It was very, will they, won't they, will Matt go to Glasto?

Speaker 98 And then I could not figure it out because like you cannot get tickets if you don't have them.

Speaker 81 And it's not like Coachella, where you can take someone's ticket.

Speaker 99 They're like running security and want your passport at the gate.

Speaker 100 Like it's a whole fucking thing.

Speaker 92 But I really could have pushed myself even further in that direction by going to.

Speaker 102 Glasto and then London Pride by myself, but I just, I couldn't pull the trigger.

Speaker 77 I'm not somewhere that like, I'm not someone rather that likes to go places alone.

Speaker 109 yeah and that's okay girl that's not confusing at all that's not confusing at all wow we did just work it out on the remix yeah well we didn't work anything out but we worked it out you worked it out with the uk on the remix the remix being the podcast lost culturistas everyone please forgive me i am

Speaker 9 first of all i'm up early

Speaker 92 and 8 30 a.m so you can judge at home whether or not that's early for you but that's a one is beamed early.

Speaker 20 That's early for me, especially considering whatever.

Speaker 88 We wrapped late at night last night.

Speaker 54 Yeah, that happens.

Speaker 68 But

Speaker 9 I have been fasting for blood work.

Speaker 113 And

Speaker 114 I guess that includes no caffeine.

Speaker 116 And that's really hard.

Speaker 117 That is tough.

Speaker 118 You always forget that that also

Speaker 20 includes caffeine.

Speaker 86 But can I just use this opportunity to announce something that I think we should all consider as a community.

Speaker 17 And I think Matt and I talked about this the other day on our other podcast, Two Guys Five Rings.

Speaker 120 Check him out now.

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Speaker 85 I

Speaker 72 want us to adopt this, okay?

Speaker 121 Okay.

Speaker 106 Does this ever happen to you?

Speaker 122 You love this intro, by the way, because everyone's involved.

Speaker 123 Like, does this ever happen to you?

Speaker 75 Like, here we are.

Speaker 94 We all know our next thing is to try to answer this question for ourselves.

Speaker 20 Go on. Okay.

Speaker 87 And this might be a long sort of post amble okay but this is this is this is um

Speaker 107 you want to say the words

Speaker 126 you want to say the letters see i'm already fumbling you want to say the letters lgbtq plus or lgbtqia

Speaker 107 or even just plain old lgbtq

Speaker 20 well

Speaker 87 you stumble you get nervous You have to push your tongue forward and then up.

Speaker 20 And then it just on a lingual level, it is bad and you have also been on the other side of this where you see like a well-meaning aunt or uncle or parent try to get through all of those letters those clumsy unwieldy letters yes and then you got to say oh it's okay you can just say queer

Speaker 19 or you can just say gay whatever however you assuage that person

Speaker 14 it's bad

Speaker 134 Here's what I'm pitching.

Speaker 135 And I know where this is headed.

Speaker 92 And you're going to love it, everyone.

Speaker 109 You're going to love this.

Speaker 127 Instead of LGBTQ,

Speaker 68 we all say

Speaker 127 legebatique.

Speaker 136 Le Gebatique.

Speaker 127 Le Gebatique.

Speaker 136 Leg batik.

Speaker 20 And that's spelled L-E-G-E-B-A-T-I-Q-U-E.

Speaker 104 And I am literally on board with you 98% of the way until you spell it.

Speaker 81 And then I think that spelling is.

Speaker 132 Okay.

Speaker 139 The more I've thought about it, because okay, so this came up on two guys five rings.

Speaker 135 And by came up on Two Guys Five Rings, I mean that in two months, you'll hear an episode where we discuss this on that podcast because we've backlogged the hell out of that podcast.

Speaker 142 There's a little peek behind the curtain.

Speaker 101 And Bowen has stumbled on this unbelievably great idea, which is to eliminate all that bullshit you talked about and just be legebatique.

Speaker 144 Because even the people who really know what they're doing and really know the letters, watching LGBTQIA plus community.

Speaker 53 It's just like, it's getting to the point where it's just like, you guys, we have to be a bigger umbrella.

Speaker 136 Legebatique.

Speaker 128 That's everyone. And by bullshit, by all the bullshit, we mean like just the

Speaker 128 sort of anxiety around

Speaker 127 watching other people or being the person who has to just make sure all the letters are included.

Speaker 68 And that is.

Speaker 9 very important.

Speaker 131 Yes.

Speaker 87 I think we are putting forward legebatique as a by default inclusive term.

Speaker 17 It is a new word as we are sort of debuting in this way.

Speaker 88 And we are able to define that word as being something that is in perpetuity inclusive.

Speaker 112 And what better time than now when all eyes are on Paris to

Speaker 101 create this French word, legit batik?

Speaker 67 I just think it is perfect.

Speaker 106 It's just easier on the tongue.

Speaker 115 Literally, it's like it just kind of, it really does flow off and you kind of want to keep saying it.

Speaker 8 Lege batik.

Speaker 149 Well, when you say say lgbtq plus and you add more to that you have to stop after every letter to really get it across lgbtq plus like it's like you have to open and close your mouth so many times as it were whereas lege batik

Speaker 87 it flows it has presence

Speaker 145 It also elevates us as a community.

Speaker 75 You know what I mean?

Speaker 143 Because we're not beholden to LGBTQ.

Speaker 154 No, you know what?

Speaker 56 We're actually not trying to be.

Speaker 145 We're not trying to spell it out.

Speaker 20 We are.

Speaker 144 We are. That's what I like most about it.

Speaker 136 Lege batik.

Speaker 126 We are legit batik.

Speaker 44 And

Speaker 103 I'm really interested in it not feeling like you have a sniper dot on your head every time you see someone try to make everyone feel included in LGBTQ plus pa, pa, pa, pa, pa.

Speaker 144 I'm like, you know what? It's a given.

Speaker 124 Everyone is included.

Speaker 70 It's a given.

Speaker 20 Legebatique.

Speaker 75 We are transcending.

Speaker 20 okay so that's legit batik i think this is a very interesting time we're in cancer season and that is the missing water sign between us yeah and i think we i think we are really experiencing a water sign season right now in many ways Well, here's my water sign season.

Speaker 99 I've decided to deal with summer by being in what I would call, what would you call this?

Speaker 158 An STX felice with sort of when you touch the shoulder, it makes this noise.

Speaker 159 What would you call it?

Speaker 9 What is that?

Speaker 134 What I hear, it's not really registering on the mic, but I imagine it's scratchy.

Speaker 144 It's like, it's like Windbreaker, but only on the shoulder.

Speaker 138 Anyway, I'm in a full-blown like polo in the air conditioning and really trying to make outside as

Speaker 147 small of an issue.

Speaker 81 Yes.

Speaker 96 As it possibly can be because it is so fucking hot.

Speaker 80 Not to say I'm not going out there and enjoying myself.

Speaker 148 I'm very happy with the goldening of my skin.

Speaker 163 I can say I'm participating in summer, but certainly inside calls.

Speaker 17 You're not wearing this at the, I will describe it as, and I mean this only as a compliment.

Speaker 14 You are giving gay Jabberwocky.

Speaker 20 I'll take it.

Speaker 133 Gay Jabberwocky for sure.

Speaker 166 That makes me feel really sexy, actually, to know that I'm giving myself away.

Speaker 87 Yes. i don't know why i think of them as people who but certainly they are remember when taylor swift danced with the jabberwockies when she sang 22 live i think it was at the amas

Speaker 114 but the bill it was the billboard music awards and she sang 22 with the jabberwockies she would never do that now this i miss i miss the old taylor just kidding no no i think she would do that now i think she's still got tricks up her sleeve should we reveal July 4th, we're going to be in Amsterdam.

Speaker 94 We're seeing Taylor Swift Aeros Tour.

Speaker 20 This is a good thing.

Speaker 89 This is public knowledge.

Speaker 110 Sometimes people know stuff about us.

Speaker 9 And I go, who told you?

Speaker 96 Well, that's because we have big fucking mouths.

Speaker 99 And I would 100%

Speaker 150 bet that it's just because we've said it before and forgot we said it.

Speaker 14 And forgot.

Speaker 17 That does happen.

Speaker 96 I mean, Nat Whitaker just texted me and goes, oh my God, I love the Two Guys Five Rings podcast.

Speaker 137 This is instant canon. Your guys' Shannon Miller bit is making me crack up.
And I said two things. One,

Speaker 155 what is the bit?

Speaker 91 And two, who is Shannon Miller I completely

Speaker 112 forgot oh I remember Shannon Miller it's Simone Biles is set to break her record for number of medals I think oh great great great well then yes down with Shannon Miller and up with Simone Biles for those of you who don't know it is not a bit we are hosting a two guys five rings olympics themed real NBC peacock iHeartMedia podcast.

Speaker 137 They came to us to do it.

Speaker 117 And if you thought you were going to hear anything about the Olympics or sports on this podcast during this Olympic season, no, you have to go to the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, which spoiler alert is really just 30 extra minutes of lost coach under the lens of Olympics, kind of.

Speaker 68 But we get a soundboard.

Speaker 14 We get like fun little transitions with scoring.

Speaker 131 And they've done a fabulous job of kind of making it seem a little different.

Speaker 169 I really like, I was like, this is a chic little podcast.

Speaker 132 Look at what we're a part of.

Speaker 158 I was like, with their little musical transitions and shit.

Speaker 17 Couldn't be us on here.

Speaker 112 No. I always did want a soundboard, though.
I always wanted a soundboard because it just takes me back to FM culture.

Speaker 133 Like I've talked about it before, but the best use of a soundboard I've ever heard was when I was a little, little, little kid.

Speaker 112 I was on vacation with my family. And I remember me and my grandmother and my mom and my dad watched the season finale of Joe Millionaire.

Speaker 135 And at the end of Joe Millionaire, it was that terrible male Fox voiceover who actually was an icon. But the last like four commercial breaks ended with him being like, it's not over yet.

Speaker 117 And someone on the radio the next day just like was talking about it and just kept playing the, it's not over yet.

Speaker 164 And it made me laugh so much.

Speaker 112 You know who's so good with soundboards? Danny Pellegrino.

Speaker 155 He's so good.

Speaker 17 Danny Pellegrino is really good.

Speaker 172 It is a tool that really can elevate the podcasting medium and radio medium.

Speaker 114 Well, it gives it an identity because

Speaker 160 I don't know.

Speaker 72 Like FM radio is so, you know, it when you hear it.

Speaker 134 It's one of those things.

Speaker 19 Podcasts haven't really been able to reproduce that magic.

Speaker 83 I don't think.

Speaker 115 If anyone is

Speaker 86 going to be up for the challenge, I think it would be us.

Speaker 174 Like, I'm thinking, did you ever listen to Danny Bonaducci?

Speaker 89 And I forget what his co-host's name was in the mornings.

Speaker 127 It was on like Unkiss FM.

Speaker 19 This was like hello.

Speaker 113 Danny Bonaducci, like, like Danny from is that is he from

Speaker 86 Partridge family?

Speaker 110 He like hosted a radio show with this woman who had the most, the the raspiest, coolest voice.

Speaker 87 That's all I remember.

Speaker 9 I think it was Danny and Kelly.

Speaker 131 Danny and Kelly are somebody else.

Speaker 120 Those sound like great, great radio host names.

Speaker 112 Danny and Kelly, live in the morning with Danny and Kelly.

Speaker 86 Oh my God.

Speaker 115 I mean, you couldn't pay me to get up.

Speaker 89 See, clearly I'm operating at zero right now, this early in the morning, but there's just something about rolling up to work, clocking in at 4:30 a.m.

Speaker 177 or whatever, and then doing the radio show gig and then leaving and then having a fabulous day at home.

Speaker 79 Yeah, but the thing is, like, those radio DJs are not fasting in the morning like you are.

Speaker 96 I've seen you get up early, and I don't like you talking about yourself like this.

Speaker 179 Like, you are more than capable of getting up early and getting after it.

Speaker 109 I guess what I'm saying is, cut yourself some slack.

Speaker 53 Those people are caffeinated to hell

Speaker 72 and unburdened at least by the expectation.

Speaker 94 of a blood test.

Speaker 170 So they, they're able to really pile on the energy in the morning and then then, Bowen, the thing about them is that's their job.

Speaker 79 So, a radio DJ, like someone who's active in the morning, can just fuck off the rest of the day.

Speaker 165 Unless they're Ryan Seacrest, unless they're Ryan Seacrest and they have an empire, busiest man in Hollywood, Ryan, we'd love to talk to you.

Speaker 133 Come on, let's culture.

Speaker 131 Would we?

Speaker 144 No, I don't know that Ryan Seacrest is able to be candid.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 107 I feel like if you ever dated Terry Hatcher,

Speaker 87 you have darkness and an enclosure of the soul and you will never be an authentic person.

Speaker 181 That is a real drag on Terry.

Speaker 110 It's not a drag on Terry.

Speaker 20 It's a drag on people who date Terry.

Speaker 17 I'm going to say, I feel like Terry was the big perpetrator on the set of Housewives.

Speaker 20 I feel like Terry was the biggest thing.

Speaker 133 Oh, you really believe the hype.

Speaker 108 You believe the hype.

Speaker 149 You know, these gays.

Speaker 123 Here's what they'll do.

Speaker 147 And this is just me talking to y'all, the listener.

Speaker 142 These are what these gays will do.

Speaker 78 These gays will lift you up and tear you down.

Speaker 123 These gays love it when you play Susan Meyer.

Speaker 79 They love when you fall in the bush naked.

Speaker 93 They love it. They root for you.

Speaker 159 When you win the Golden Globe, you give your little, I used to be a has-been speech.

Speaker 20 They cheer.

Speaker 142 Then, you know, you're around for a few years, start dating hot guys, Friends, Chris, stuff like that.

Speaker 103 They want to tear you down.

Speaker 147 They want to see you fall.

Speaker 102 And they won't stop.

Speaker 91 And gays run the media.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 105 And when the the gays get to their shenanigans on the media, and Terry, you pissed them off because you dated the hottest guy they all want, Ryan S.

Speaker 20 You're going down. Wow.

Speaker 113 Up with the rest of the cast, down with Terry.

Speaker 142 And it's sad to see, sad to see it bleed all the way into this podcast, which I thought was a pro-Terry hatchery space.

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Speaker 57 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes.

Speaker 58 Total reset.

Speaker 63 Exactly.

Speaker 84 I want us to, we're here to announce a third podcast.

Speaker 133 Holy shit.

Speaker 119 Which is going to be an investigative journalism, kind of not quite true crime, but adjacent.

Speaker 99 Like we need to find out who was at fault.

Speaker 17 I want, I want to start, no joke, I want to start a podcast called Gay Mysteries or something where we find out who was at fault who was the person behind the zombie mask on wendy williams for the halloween episode that made her say what was that um what other gay mysteries maybe it's called what was that oh maybe it's called what what was that with matt and bowen where we go what was that about any you're so excited about any little

Speaker 97 thing that traps our ass like yeah i'll tell you an episode that i want to do What was that?

Speaker 109 Is the episode about

Speaker 93 when Avril Levine won Best New Artist at the VMAs in the year of Our Lord 2002 and Kelly Clarkson gave her the award and Avril snubbed her and it was really bad.

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Speaker 111 not asking her about that moment?

Speaker 149 You know what?

Speaker 77 It was such a positive

Speaker 145 time with Kelly.

Speaker 150 There were so many things I could have asked her. Like I could have asked her about like Dr.

Speaker 78 Luke, which by the way, we could talk about that.

Speaker 77 so let's talk the dr luke of it all was something years ago when kesha had her lawsuit against dr luke a lot of pop girlies like testified against him as character witnesses like i guess for kesha just being like what's the deal with this guy what is he like like the allegation of sexual assault was kesha's and hers alone but like we want to know from other people that have worked with him like what's the deal and she flat out was like he is not a good guy nothing ever happened to me like that But I literally, she said in another interview, she told her record label she'll work with anyone but Dr.

Speaker 85 Luke.

Speaker 69 And they made her work with him on All I Ever Wanted.

Speaker 112 And they did My Life Would Suck Without You Together.

Speaker 96 And she claims she actually wrote enough of that song to get songwriting credit.

Speaker 112 She like worked on it enough where she could have been as the artist, like, put my name on this.

Speaker 123 Yeah.

Speaker 98 But she says, I didn't want my name anywhere near his and so i said forget it i'll just not take the credit and that song was a number one hit so she missed out on dollars because of that because she was just not

Speaker 152 down to be that's standing on principle absolutely but you know one katie perry has just announced her new music and i root for katie But she makes it hard sometimes because she doesn't have to work with Dr.

Speaker 158 Luke.

Speaker 53 She's someone that is famously a singer-songwriter who can create her own stuff and can work with any producer in the business because, yeah, I mean, she might not be the most relevant pop star of our time, but she gets streams on streams on streams on streams.

Speaker 145 And for her to put Dr.

Speaker 154 Luke on this record again, has my side eye personally because she's not one of the new young POC or queer women who are trying to make it in the business, who he then goes to and says, I'll help you.

Speaker 109 And they're like, of course, I'm going to take this opportunity.

Speaker 113 It's not the same thing.

Speaker 99 This is Katie Perry, who's established and can work with anyone.

Speaker 152 And yet she still makes this choice.

Speaker 132 So it's actually totally different.

Speaker 85 I

Speaker 107 don't know what to make of these rumors

Speaker 17 about

Speaker 17 this being guerrilla marketing, her releasing a purposefully bad snippet of her single

Speaker 76 that it's not even the snippet from the song.

Speaker 134 It's supposed to like Enough.

Speaker 16 Enough of that.

Speaker 146 I thought that was funny, I guess.

Speaker 118 I mean, but

Speaker 8 now I'm already, I'm already like, this is what Katie tends to like get me to do is I just, can you describe what's going on to the listeners?

Speaker 96 It's a slight eye roll and it's like, I'm already a little bit exhausted. Let's just kind of get to the music.

Speaker 145 Because ultimately, the music is probably going to be pretty good

Speaker 152 if she snaps in and really is as galvanized as she seemed when she was like quitting American Idol and stuff.

Speaker 158 But the thing is, like,

Speaker 99 I don't know. It's like,

Speaker 90 when you're Katie Perry and you're bringing Dr.

Speaker 205 Luke into it, it is a completely different thing.

Speaker 96 And you see, Kesha just tweeted LOL.

Speaker 119 Well, I thank God for that because I think that really did.

Speaker 107 It was able to like be a funnel for like all of our thoughts around like, wait, Dr.

Speaker 89 Luke.

Speaker 131 Like, I think the credits.

Speaker 87 Well, here's what happened.

Speaker 114 I think the order of events was Kesha replied.

Speaker 115 LOL and then the songwriting credits came out.

Speaker 72 And I don't know if one was spurred.

Speaker 17 I think, I think the songwriting credits were spurred by the Kesha comment, which is interesting.

Speaker 176 Like, why make it so damning after suspicion's already been raised?

Speaker 105 I think people didn't know that Dr.

Speaker 84 Luke had worked on the record publicly.

Speaker 178 I think Kesha might have known, but I don't think people were like, oh, what is this about?

Speaker 107 I think Kesha commenting that made people go, wait a minute, is this the Dr.

Speaker 105 Luke thing?

Speaker 17 And then sure enough, days later, they released the credits.

Speaker 119 I am grateful that she did that.

Speaker 96 Well, just in terms of how both of the snippets of the song sounded, like there was one that was like actually horrible.

Speaker 53 And I thought that it was so horrible that it actually was funny.

Speaker 143 I was like, oh, this is so clearly not it.

Speaker 159 And she's doing this weird TikTok where she's singing it.

Speaker 112 And there's times when Katy Perry jumps out and I'm like, oh, yes, like you get it.

Speaker 91 You're like,

Speaker 135 you know, this self-aware, like.

Speaker 197 almost like comedy forward, whatever that means for a pop star.

Speaker 99 Like it's like, you're like this like fun, like self-aware, like a bimbo of pop and i what i like that sabrina carpenter is kind of filling those shoes because their lyrics are really clever and like cheeky and fun and they fill their aesthetic with it they both kind of i mean like the espresso video kind of like is california girls without all the candy and stuff like it's more just like straightforward and that fluenticello but you see where there's a blueprint for sure what sabrina carpenter is doing in recent pop but it's like it's not like the second clip of what we assume is the real woman's world is that much better where we're like, oh my God, gag.

Speaker 135 She really released that horrible first song.

Speaker 112 And now this one is such a moment.

Speaker 104 It's like,

Speaker 182 no, it's a better song, but

Speaker 176 the gulf, the canyon of quality is not that big.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 119 I am really digging the way Sabrina is.

Speaker 17 going about the, shall we say, Yoohoo.

Speaker 106 I think she's very like, you who

Speaker 88 like coded, you know?

Speaker 169 I mean, just like, I, I knew she was my girl.

Speaker 96 I knew she was sort of my little sister in the espresso video when she's getting arrested.

Speaker 65 And she's sort of like, her head is like flailing around.

Speaker 52 She's like, ooh, I was just like, yeah, no, I'll, I'm into her.

Speaker 71 I really like her.

Speaker 179 And she's actually forever for me, et cetera.

Speaker 158 And now she, I mean, she's very much here to stay.

Speaker 112 Number one hit, please, please, please.

Speaker 115 Please, please, please is fucking great.

Speaker 20 Well, I love,

Speaker 14 love that she kind of got a little petty with it when she hit number one on the billboard, hot 100.

Speaker 117 Oh, and she posted that gay being like, no one's ever flopped.

Speaker 145 Do it.

Speaker 122 Some gay was like, no one's ever flopped this hard on a second single OMFG or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 167 And like literally on her official Instagram, it's just her number one on the chart and a piece of the article and then that gay guy's tweet.

Speaker 172 And it's like, yeah.

Speaker 79 And I get it.

Speaker 53 It's like sometimes I can see being a person who receives tweets like that and receives commentary like that.

Speaker 145 And it's like, okay, well, just so you know, if you engage in a conversation, someone might respond.

Speaker 132 And that is a conversation you engaged in.

Speaker 115 But that's kind of the best way to go about it.

Speaker 17 It's the birdwatching equivalent of responding to a fucking reply guy or a reply gay.

Speaker 171 It's like, talk to us about how it's like bird watching.

Speaker 105 It's that you are kind of from afar acknowledging its existence without actually engaging in it until, let's say, say,

Speaker 20 you

Speaker 119 hit number one on Billboard and then you can post a picture of the bird, I guess.

Speaker 89 I'm losing the thread.

Speaker 119 But I just find it refreshing.

Speaker 106 But speaking of tweets, was it someone in our group chat who like unearthed these old Katy Perry tweets where she just fucking bullied Sky Ferreira?

Speaker 88 And that is unforgivable.

Speaker 165 to me.

Speaker 119 I will do this on your behalf because you have worked with Katie in the past.

Speaker 17 She's given you job opportunities and you are.

Speaker 21 Oh, first of all, she did not give me a job opportunity.

Speaker 150 She was kind about an opportunity I got in her video, which by the way, if you haven't seen the Not the End of the Real Music video, I'm basically one of the leads of it.

Speaker 126 You are the lead. I think you are the star of it.

Speaker 152 She wasn't on set.

Speaker 112 Zoe Duchanel was on set.

Speaker 87 Love her.

Speaker 131 Love Zoe.

Speaker 87 Love Zoe.

Speaker 135 Can I say you weren't there, but because you had to work, but I went to go see Katie in Vegas for my birthday.

Speaker 87 Like, I love Katie Perry.

Speaker 39 Like, I mean, I'm a fucking 34-year-old gay man.

Speaker 222 Like, California Girls and Teenage Dream hit when we were, what, 22?

Speaker 144 Like, come on, we love Katy Perry.

Speaker 89 20, 20.

Speaker 129 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 140 It's like, I don't want to be on here fucking like, oh, it sucks that she worked with Dr.

Speaker 78 Luke when she doesn't have to at all.

Speaker 20 She just doesn't have to at all. She just doesn't.

Speaker 132 It sucks that she wrote it for Rick Caruso.

Speaker 53 I think some of the shit that she does sucks.

Speaker 150 And that doesn't mean I don't think she's a great fucking pop star.

Speaker 149 But if you, what are we supposed to do?

Speaker 145 Not talk about the fact that she's working with Dr.

Speaker 131 Luke?

Speaker 132 Don't do it then.

Speaker 105 I think Katie is like not in that window of unproblematic fave

Speaker 14 person.

Speaker 101 She's got all of Brazil, so she's fine.

Speaker 133 They want her to come to Brazil so bad, and they don't care about Rick Caruso in Brazil, you know?

Speaker 65 Right.

Speaker 119 She did eventually come to Brazil.

Speaker 20 That's amazing.

Speaker 106 She didn't invent it, but she like, she helped originate it.

Speaker 70 I'm ready to give her all the credit that she deserves 100%.

Speaker 83 Including the credit for including Dr.

Speaker 9 Luke in the credit.

Speaker 71 Yeah. No, nothing's a mistake.

Speaker 169 It's just like, okay, so great.

Speaker 144 Can you imagine in the year of our Lord 2024 being her and being like, guess what?

Speaker 150 You guys are going to gag.

Speaker 79 Guess who I'm working with?

Speaker 180 Dr. Luke.

Speaker 96 Here's a big announcement.

Speaker 92 Here's an official announcement about it.

Speaker 97 It's like, huh.

Speaker 71 Like, how is that supposed to make people feel exactly? Like excited?

Speaker 145 What?

Speaker 224 Excited for the bops?

Speaker 149 You're Katie Perry.

Speaker 182 You can do them without him.

Speaker 170 You know?

Speaker 6 And then, I guess that's another thing to compare it to like this generation of pop girly and this moment where everyone's like supporting each other and like being there for each other and like all those collabs that came out the other day.

Speaker 154 And now you in the same moment are out here with a track list that includes Dr.

Speaker 179 Luke who, you know, allegedly raped one of your peers on a track called Woman's World.

Speaker 170 On a track track called Woman's World, and also, like, notwithstanding even the sexual assault, but someone that many of your other peers are on the record as being like, this guy's not a good guy, Lady Gaga and Kelly Clarkson and Kesha included.

Speaker 152 Like I said, this is not Kim Petrus working with Dr.

Speaker 158 Luke.

Speaker 71 This is not Doja Cat working with Dr.

Speaker 154 Luke, who were young artists who maybe didn't have producers throwing themselves at them.

Speaker 180 These are young, queer, POC people who do not have the same opportunities as someone like these other older, established white girls have.

Speaker 135 So, I never really liked when people were like, oh, fuck them for working with Dr.

Speaker 118 Luke. It's like they're taking an opportunity.

Speaker 166 Maybe it's the only one that they had.

Speaker 164 I'm not saying that I think it's a great idea for people to work with him because of who he is.

Speaker 71 I'm just saying there is a big difference between Katy Perry at her big age coming out here with Dr.

Speaker 65 Luke on the track.

Speaker 146 Oh, I'm at a big age too.

Speaker 154 We're all at a big age.

Speaker 84 We're at a big age.

Speaker 144 We're all old enough to know better about this.

Speaker 167 And I fucking love Katy Perry.

Speaker 52 I just want, I want better choices.

Speaker 17 I was just going to say, I brought up the Skyferrer thing because I am convinced that she,

Speaker 177 more than some pop girlies we know, and we might ascribe this quality to, is like, has had a history of bullying.

Speaker 20 Skye has?

Speaker 105 Not Skye, Katie.

Speaker 96 Oh, no, I thought you meant Skye had had a history of being bullied.

Speaker 221 I was like, well, we have to help her.

Speaker 71 We have to get guidance counselors in her.

Speaker 70 We need mediators.

Speaker 151 Why is everyone picking on Skye?

Speaker 166 But you mean Katie bullying other people?

Speaker 65 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 128 Katie, we know stories of Katie at Club 33.

Speaker 135 Okay, the alleged beginning of the beef with her and Taylor was that they both were at Club 33, which is the secret.

Speaker 131 The secret Disney restaurant.

Speaker 77 And Katie, I guess to break the ice because of like, there was like some John Mayer bullshit, Katie sent over a glass of milk and Taylor like didn't like that or didn't get it.

Speaker 93 And so that was the start of the feud.

Speaker 156 It wasn't actually the backup dancers.

Speaker 113 This is one of my favorite conspiracy theories.

Speaker 88 It's a great conspiracy theory.

Speaker 131 It's it's funny, but it's also like, well, if that happened, if I were Taylor, I'd be like, yeah, fuck that girl.

Speaker 53 It's the kind of okay, so again, we don't know that this happened for let's just pretend that it happened.

Speaker 65 Let's pretend it did.

Speaker 71 Let's say it's someone that is a peer of yours, you've been friendly with, but now there's this weird thing because they're dating your ex, and you're already in a combative situation because of what the industry does to women in that field.

Speaker 152 Someone says, You know what?

Speaker 53 As a bit, I'm going to do this thing, and they send over a glass of milk, which is, I don't know how to describe it anything other than very sixth-grade humor.

Speaker 173 It's so sixth grade.

Speaker 143 So you get the milk,

Speaker 150 and it's like whether you get it or not, you have to be ready to have the joke happen to you.

Speaker 68 And she obviously just wasn't.

Speaker 223 Who's ready for that joke, though?

Speaker 106 Like, you have to have such low self-esteem to be like,

Speaker 150 oh my God, you got me, girl.

Speaker 153 Or like, that was so funny that you sent over milk.

Speaker 133 Why is it funny?

Speaker 87 Right.

Speaker 114 It's nasty.

Speaker 87 Have you ever done that?

Speaker 114 No, I would never fucking do that.

Speaker 87 Wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 75 I just mean, have you ever done the bit of, or the thing of like, hey, to the waiter, like, can you send this person over a drink as a bit

Speaker 158 i've done it as a bit i've done it as a bit because i thought it was funny when i was again when i was in middle school i was at an applebee's and i was with a bunch of my friends and one of my teachers was across the like across the restaurant and i said oh my god i have the funniest bit so i said to my waitress i was like go bring a cherry coke over to him and say it's from the gentleman it's from the gentleman over there across the across the way and i'll be there waiting and when they brought over the cherry coke the waitress dropped it

Speaker 68 and it went everywhere queen

Speaker 70 queen

Speaker 166 and i think she had been midway i think maybe she was excited about doing the bit

Speaker 133 and so she was like midway through i could see her mouth being like this is from the gentleman oh

Speaker 15 And then like my poor teacher like had like his slacks covered in cherry coke, which is, you know, got to be a little bit more involved than a regular Coke to get out because you got that sweet, sweet grenadine in there.

Speaker 178 Oh, the grenadine be sticky.

Speaker 20 But

Speaker 132 there's nothing more I want than for this to have been a real story.

Speaker 101 And the Club 33 waiter brought the milk over.

Speaker 167 This is from the gorilla,

Speaker 169 and then dropped the milk all over Taylor

Speaker 75 Swift at Disneyland, where you don't want to be covered in milk at all.

Speaker 107 Oh, no, that's a fate worse than death.

Speaker 13 I just, that makes my fucking skin crawl.

Speaker 89 I'm sorry.

Speaker 130 There's something about that.

Speaker 131 First of all, just period.

Speaker 175 I don't know how you would answer this.

Speaker 181 Would you

Speaker 115 send, buy anyone a drink now at a restaurant?

Speaker 107 Like, let's say like you saw someone who was hot, like, I'm going to buy that person a drink.

Speaker 112 I have no idea how to engage in those situations anymore.

Speaker 164 I have no, I don't know.

Speaker 107 I don't know how to be on, how to be on the receiving end of that.

Speaker 88 Not that it happens all the time, but I'm just like, what?

Speaker 132 How do I, I don't know, dating is way weirder now than it used to be for a litany of reasons, but I would rather just someone, I would rather just be pursued than like be out, like trying to like be cute about it.

Speaker 112 I think that like ultimately at me as a person, as a romantic partner, I think I respond better to initially someone else expressing interest anyway.

Speaker 79 Yeah.

Speaker 90 But also like, I don't want to be weird.

Speaker 152 And then like someone, someone gets a drink from me and they're like, that's from that guy over there.

Speaker 197 And they like, in some way, maybe know who I am.

Speaker 93 And they'd be like, oh, ew, Matt Rogers sent me a drink drink at a bar gross

Speaker 177 oh we're never doing that yeah I mean it would never happen but like I don't know I'm just trying to negotiate like being out there interacting with eligible gay men if you're out there if you're out there and I just like I thought about sending a drink and I'm like that can't be the move no like if I tap a guy on Grindr I feel immediate shame even today is that the equivalent I'm like oh why why'd I do that I mean I will say tapping on grinder you know people really don't like it You ever see the profiles on Grindr that are like no taps, absolutely no taps?

Speaker 115 I'm like, what the fuck is the big idea? Like, what is the big fucking deal?

Speaker 53 Like, is Grinder just the kind of place where people go to say things like that?

Speaker 137 Or do they actually care?

Speaker 138 Or are you just trying to project a thing of like, I have an era of exclusivity around me?

Speaker 162 Like, I don't do taps.

Speaker 53 I don't do this. Is it because you can't be like

Speaker 65 even more restrictive than that in what your quote unquote preferences are?

Speaker 94 So you do this weird flex on taps.

Speaker 39 I just don't get it. So, you got tapped.

Speaker 103 Someone thought you were hot.

Speaker 65 Whatever.

Speaker 107 You are status-minded in a way that is like pathological at that point.

Speaker 135 I just would love to interview someone for two minutes on this podcast, and we can do the voice, uh, the voice things that you drop down like this so no one knows who you are about what it is you have against taps.

Speaker 148 Is it just that you think it's flaky and you'd rather be messaged directly?

Speaker 221 Like, what is it?

Speaker 148 For the Katies out there, do you want to explain taps?

Speaker 119 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 130 It's a, it's a way to get someone's attention on Grindr, basically.

Speaker 131 It's a way to like

Speaker 151 soft flirt, which

Speaker 82 kind of a great UI thing, right?

Speaker 17 It's like a great like next evolution of like, it's like a Facebook poke.

Speaker 107 Yes. Ahead of content Hans is saying.

Speaker 151 Yes.

Speaker 113 It is exactly like a Facebook poke.

Speaker 54 Exactly.

Speaker 17 Anyway, that's that.

Speaker 119 I think us interviewing this person is going to fall into, oh, what was that episode?

Speaker 93 Oh, that's really good.

Speaker 147 The thing is, like, I don't understand how we could do another podcast, but that would be it.

Speaker 39 We also, what was that?

Speaker 99 Can just be a new segment on this podcast because you know how good we are about keeping up with all the news segments that we introduced.

Speaker 71 Is it over?

Speaker 105 It's not. Well, let's see.
Producer Becca made us a doc.

Speaker 88 Should we look at 1970? No, I don't.

Speaker 39 And can I tell you something?

Speaker 112 This is how I know it might be over.

Speaker 69 I don't want to do that.

Speaker 20 Okay, then it's over.

Speaker 114 Sister, I am in lockstep with you.

Speaker 20 Whatever you, this is our partnership.

Speaker 87 This is friendship.

Speaker 126 It's got to be a hell yes from both of us.

Speaker 91 We are working it out on the remix.

Speaker 20 We are working it. Oh my God.

Speaker 70 Let's work it out on the

Speaker 166 remix.

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Speaker 132 You know what? Here's the thing about the excavation of years.

Speaker 171 We tried it and it was also a truly collaborative attempt at creating something new for the podcast.

Speaker 89 But if we're really going to work it out on the remix, I think we started doing that because of this idea that we like didn't want to pick on like new culture that much because we are like in like the training wheels phase of a new era of the podcast but like i don't fucking care that much i just fucking talked mad shit about katy perry for 15 minutes deserved though you know what i'm saying is it's like we're not even talking shit we're saying she's a great fucking pop star she's formative we expect more from her than a continuation of working with dr luke because she's literally talented enough to not yeah it's not really talking shit and she announced that she was voting the way she was voting in LA.

Speaker 82 So it's like, okay, well, if you're going to do that, then understand that

Speaker 122 it's a hot-button issue.

Speaker 17 Oh, my God. I forgot about her vote.

Speaker 117 Oh, my God, Katie.

Speaker 52 But they don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil.

Speaker 65 It's actually a rule of culture number 19.

Speaker 20 They don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil.

Speaker 9 And until

Speaker 105 Rick Caruso gets the come to Brazil plea.

Speaker 132 No one's checking for him in LA.

Speaker 131 So that would be great, actually.

Speaker 20 Yeah, but Katie, i feel like it's katie and everyone else on the coin the industry loves to spend to quote ella lord the legend the voice can i say she ate that what is six plus two because she ate

Speaker 71 Because she crushed it.

Speaker 91 And I was so emotional throughout.

Speaker 144 And then with every line, and then it went, because I ride for you, Charlie.

Speaker 152 If you wanted to know, now you know.

Speaker 180 I was just like, and also the way that she wrote it, the way she brought back the, they say they had, we have this same hey.

Speaker 53 I was just like, everything about this is a great moment in pop.

Speaker 150 And I think if there's any justice, it should be nominated for pop duo group vocals at the Grammys.

Speaker 138 It is a moment and they deserve it.

Speaker 85 What I find remarkable about the Lord verse

Speaker 126 is that it is not like retaliatory.

Speaker 134 Like, I think Charlie would have been down for like, yeah, Lord, do the verse and like, come for me.

Speaker 88 Like, cause like, I feel like if you go back back and read Charlie's verse, it is like a little bit like accusatory of like, you

Speaker 9 yeah, what's the problem? What's the problem?

Speaker 88 You've like bailed on me.

Speaker 107 I can't tell if you're being genuine.

Speaker 106 Like, you girl, so confusing sometimes.

Speaker 135 Yeah, it makes me insecure the way that you treat me because low-key, like, Lord is a much, much, much more commercially successful artist.

Speaker 148 She had been lauded in a way that Charlie had it.

Speaker 154 And then everyone said to her, like, you know, you guys are a natural pair.

Speaker 150 Like, it's a level up, like the two of you together.

Speaker 53 But low-key, on the other side of it, Charlie is the coolest bitch in the game.

Speaker 149 And she's the one who truly moves things forward.

Speaker 53 And probably everyone is low-key in some way chasing what she does.

Speaker 122 Of course.

Speaker 39 So this insecurity and the dynamic.

Speaker 149 And then literally, it just comes down to when we are together, it's weird.

Speaker 180 So what the fuck?

Speaker 101 And then for Lord to respond with just vulnerability.

Speaker 17 Just vulnerability.

Speaker 107 I love it.

Speaker 119 It wasn't like, well, here's what you've done. It's like, oh, no, I was so insecure myself.
I canceled last minute because I

Speaker 119 didn't feel worthy of your company. I hated my body.

Speaker 125 Like all of these things.

Speaker 85 I

Speaker 20 love,

Speaker 107 it's just self-defense until you're building a weapon.

Speaker 20 Oh,

Speaker 114 that is, wow.

Speaker 150 There was a line about like, um, I was at war with my body.

Speaker 112 Like your life seemed awesome. I didn't want to be in your pictures.

Speaker 67 Like,

Speaker 112 I think that's pretty relatable to everyone.

Speaker 164 Like, you know when someone you don't really necessarily feel super comfortable with because you think they're super hot or really admire them their talent or you think they're really smart or you feel small in some way around them their intentions can be 100 yes but you don't feel good enough to show up in that as yourself, compete with whatever it is because of everything going on internally.

Speaker 149 I have certainly canceled on people who I just didn't really know either what the intention was or why I would benefit, why they'd benefit from having me around, et cetera.

Speaker 197 But like, I'm supposed to hang out with guys sometimes and just like completely took myself out of it because I didn't feel good enough.

Speaker 20 Yeah. I

Speaker 119 feel like

Speaker 226 Betty Drama is my lord.

Speaker 91 No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 106 I was like, I was like, who's the gay equivalent of this?

Speaker 108 My jaw just dropped.

Speaker 70 I was like,

Speaker 87 no.

Speaker 101 Can you imagine being the sweetest sweetest person on actual planet Earth?

Speaker 129 No, I was going to say, I was thinking, like, who is the gay male equivalent to Charlie XCX?

Speaker 226 And I think it's Benny Drama, but I'm like,

Speaker 20 Benny Drama.

Speaker 122 Oh, I love that for him.

Speaker 178 But meanwhile, Benny Drama is the coolest, the funniest, the sweetest.

Speaker 20 We love Benny.

Speaker 71 No, but that's why he's a good example.

Speaker 197 You could throw it out there and he'd be like, Bowen, what the fuck?

Speaker 150 And it would be a fun thing because one of the scariest things in the world is doing that with someone that you actually have those feelings about.

Speaker 20 Oh, my God.

Speaker 104 Which is why I respect Charlie and Lord so much is because they fully just aired this out and, like, in so many words, maximize their joint sleigh, because that would be really scary.

Speaker 109 I can speak for myself.

Speaker 135 I'm sure you feel this is way to do that with our own peers in our own industry.

Speaker 20 Yeah, the

Speaker 11 idea of like

Speaker 91 a girly beef

Speaker 19 is hopefully like this is a huge moment in

Speaker 20 the

Speaker 119 perennial perennial concept of like a beef between pop girls.

Speaker 128 Like, this is the way to do it. Like,

Speaker 88 God bless Taylor Swift for getting Katy Perry out in a hamburger costume, which I think is its own sort of like retaliation.

Speaker 53 Hey, thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 140 Here's your costume.

Speaker 68 You have to wear this.

Speaker 68 You have to wear this for the way you've treated me.

Speaker 107 Like, but this is like, this is a huge watershed moment.

Speaker 52 Don't worry, I'll look stupid too.

Speaker 39 She comes out in a super skinny hot dog costume.

Speaker 147 Don't worry, me too. I'll be a food too.

Speaker 87 Like,

Speaker 89 tiny food, slim food, slim food.

Speaker 131 Snatched, healthy.

Speaker 68 Oh, stop. But

Speaker 88 I just think also confusing is like, someone said it's the rate on me for people who do ketamine.

Speaker 111 And

Speaker 89 period.

Speaker 151 Y'all are on too much powders.

Speaker 49 Relax. Everyone.
Stop.

Speaker 70 Like,

Speaker 146 okay, cool.

Speaker 115 We all do ketamine. Like, stop talking about

Speaker 107 what I want to put out there as sort of a corollary to leisure batik.

Speaker 19 Let's take a break from powders.

Speaker 53 That's fine if you want to do powders.

Speaker 149 I'm just like, this whole thing of like, yes, community, we're addressing you.

Speaker 93 We all know that everyone does ketamine.

Speaker 83 Okay.

Speaker 77 Now we can, we can sort of just like,

Speaker 197 it doesn't have to become your personality.

Speaker 93 I get that it's the summer and the summer is starting and it's pride like ketamine, yay.

Speaker 112 Like, K is not in Legion Batik.

Speaker 123 Like, it might be a part, it might be a of what goes down, but like, that's a Q, not a K.

Speaker 41 Yeah.

Speaker 92 It's becoming that thing of like when you're, you know, when you're like just get into high school and you start smoking weed, or whenever you start smoking weed, it's like all you can talk about.

Speaker 122 You start thinking all you can talk about.

Speaker 117 It's just like, I don't think the, um,

Speaker 122 it's not cool that we all do ketamine.

Speaker 45 Maybe it is.

Speaker 50 All right.

Speaker 65 I mean, you are way cooler than me.

Speaker 93 So it's like.

Speaker 177 No, no, that is not true.

Speaker 125 We're not having this discussion.

Speaker 52 Let's work it out on the remix.

Speaker 70 On the remix.

Speaker 112 You know, I saw the other night. I did the monologues at

Speaker 180 Scraps, which is the new ASCAT.

Speaker 100 And a couple things happened, which I want to talk about.

Speaker 96 But you know, who was performing was Tammy Sager.

Speaker 83 Oh, my God, Tammy.

Speaker 97 And she says hello.

Speaker 112 And I just remembered that night we went to Joanne Tertoria and worked it out on the remix.

Speaker 124 We worked in

Speaker 122 Kat and Pat and BSJ.

Speaker 93 And also her episode of Lost Coach, Miss Sadie Cohen, was a moment when we really worked it out on the remix.

Speaker 78 We walked through like a lot of hard feelings.

Speaker 147 We did that in that episode, but it was just funny to see her there because, like, I was like, you know, you're dangerous because you open up the floodgates emotionally.

Speaker 14 Yeah, she got us to work it out on the remix.

Speaker 99 She's very easy to talk to. You know what I mean?

Speaker 197 Like, and so sometimes it's just like you, you, you started talking and then you said things.

Speaker 143 Oh, but the other part I wanted to say, and this was emotional, actually.

Speaker 77 So did the monologues at Rat Scraps, which was the old ASCAT.

Speaker 91 You've done it before.

Speaker 112 We know, like, from, you know, coming of age and comedy and a time when UCB was truly king in New York that like ASCAT was like the hottest show.

Speaker 153 It's like such a super big honor to do monologues for either that show or Rat Scraps, which is all the classics

Speaker 109 from UCB were there improvising and just such a fun show.

Speaker 102 So I did my monologues and they improvised scenes off them.

Speaker 112 It was a really fun night.

Speaker 109 And then at the end,

Speaker 150 some kids came up who are hammer cats and danger box, and they do a reality show now at NYU.

Speaker 135 And they were like 21 years old, and they were literally little versions of us.

Speaker 91 And they were so sweet, and they were like,

Speaker 113 They were like, We're so inspired by like, you know, you guys doing so well.

Speaker 149 And we know it started here, so we work really hard.

Speaker 159 And you can just tell how inspired by they are by like you, and Stephanie Shu and Rachel Bloom, and Shana Taub, you know, shout out two-time Tony winner.

Speaker 168 The first time someone has ever won for book and score at the Tony's, that is Shana Taub.

Speaker 197 That is 100% one of the original girlies.

Speaker 149 And, you know, it was just really amazing.

Speaker 90 Like, and I realized, you know, they're coming up.

Speaker 170 They're in that group.

Speaker 94 Now, these are our sketch and improv groups at NYU, everybody, which were like stuff we cared so deeply about.

Speaker 96 And, you know, they're looking at a world where like so many of the people that went through that like really succeeded.

Speaker 100 I mean, a hammer cat fucking headline Coachella, okay?

Speaker 216 So like anything can happen.

Speaker 226 Child's Kimino. Yeah.

Speaker 104 But like what I mean is it was really cool to see them so obviously galvanized to be doing what they're doing.

Speaker 96 This one girl was in Hammercat's Danger Box reality show and was a double major in drama and dramatic writing.

Speaker 77 I was like.

Speaker 181 You are really going for it, but like they're really going for it.

Speaker 143 And it made me so proud.

Speaker 147 And I, it should, I, I, I knew it would make you proud too.

Speaker 226 I'm so, I'm beaming. I'm like, I'm doing like a, like a little, like a emotional frown, bottom eyes emoji.

Speaker 20 Oh,

Speaker 87 I just,

Speaker 107 that is like

Speaker 72 setting the groundwork for so much of everything.

Speaker 76 It'll be a lot of disappointment and a lot of like triumph.

Speaker 89 And also like

Speaker 9 it is, if you're, yeah, you're really centering the work early on.

Speaker 130 And that's like something that like I kind of like have like thoughts about.

Speaker 9 I'm like, I should have, I'm like, could I have done more back in the day to like

Speaker 95 throw myself into things but like it doesn't matter like i mean the answer is clearly if you could have you wouldn't have needed to because look how everything has worked out but i i too was a workhorse back then and it was never enough i lived and breathed it like it was what i thought about every day shout out to chemistry and my Bachelor of Arts in Chemistry at NYU, but that was not the thing that was keeping me going.

Speaker 98 I forgot to tell you.

Speaker 77 We did a game show the other night and we do celebrity essences.

Speaker 75 Oh, and the answer to them was you.

Speaker 77 The answer to one was you.

Speaker 132 Do you want to know your celebrity essence?

Speaker 20 Yes, I have to know.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 88 Did they did the people guess right or no?

Speaker 132 Everyone knew it was you. It was easy.

Speaker 221 That was my no for us with game show this time. I was like, it was a little too easy.

Speaker 189 But guys, whenever we do a bell house game show, you got to come.

Speaker 112 It's so fun.

Speaker 177 It's so fun.

Speaker 73 So it was Lauren Michaels.

Speaker 87 Oh, God.

Speaker 71 $3 bill.

Speaker 16 Uh-huh.

Speaker 210 There you go.

Speaker 129 Who's that going to be? Mikey J?

Speaker 17 Okay.

Speaker 71 The periodic table.

Speaker 95 Okay. This is so easy.

Speaker 71 Matt Rogers.

Speaker 161 And, oh, my God, what was the fifth one?

Speaker 54 Uh-oh.

Speaker 177 Tomato.

Speaker 39 I thought about tomato, but then I was like, people don't really know that.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 174 Sure. Wait, there was a fifth one.

Speaker 142 I'll think of it.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 85 Well, I'm honored.

Speaker 105 Oh, my God.

Speaker 53 That's a huge honor to be in celebrity See, it was gonna, it was just gonna be a twofer and it was gonna be Lauren Michaels and $3 Bill.

Speaker 17 I mean, there you go.

Speaker 39 But then I was like, I was having too much fun thinking of them.

Speaker 122 We had a really fun time.

Speaker 87 It was really fun.

Speaker 161 But anyway, like seeing those kids and I just wanted to look at them and say, listen,

Speaker 81 your pop girlies right now, they might disappoint you in the future.

Speaker 20 But don't.

Speaker 87 For example, you know, Teenage dream changed my life now she's caruso voter who works with dr luke still

Speaker 162 listen to me i know you love sabrina carpenter i know you love chapel rone they're humans they might disappoint you one day oh just like never forget what good luck babe meant to you now i'm just kidding she'll i think chapel rone will never disappoint anyone

Speaker 110 that's that's not putting any pressure on her at all no and can i say i feel very conscious of the fact that like watching her blow up so fast has of course been thrilling but you have been a big you've been a champion for her since the beginning i can't say i was first because that's insane no but like i was early a straight man told me about chapel rone matthew vaughn my producer of have you heard a christmas we were literally shooting have you heard a christmas the special and he was like

Speaker 109 you have no idea this new girly chapel roan and i was like yeah yeah whatever and then i listened to casual and i was like oh wait did he have a major point?

Speaker 88 Matthew Vaughan deserves some kind of Velisa Batik award.

Speaker 150 I mean, he produced Have You Heard of Christmas?

Speaker 20 Well, there you go.

Speaker 107 But I mean, like, that is like a straight man with that kind of taste specificity.

Speaker 97 It was fucking wild to watch her perform live.

Speaker 132 After that, I'm like, oh, my God.

Speaker 112 I went with him.

Speaker 65 Sudi and I went with him to the show. Right, right.

Speaker 94 At the Fonda, that famed Fonda show I talk about.

Speaker 103 And then I was like, oh, my God, this is going to be so major.

Speaker 20 And now it's so, so major.

Speaker 112 Like last night at the Jimmys, the girl who won the Jimmies, like shouted out Chapel Roan.

Speaker 129 Oh my God, talk about the Jimmies.

Speaker 70 Oh, the Jimmies were great.

Speaker 99 The winners were excellent.

Speaker 150 The girl who won sang the music that make me dance from funny girl, original Broadway.

Speaker 20 Wow.

Speaker 20 It was

Speaker 75 really amazing.

Speaker 99 And oh my God, the kid who won, the guy who won sang Make Them Hear You.

Speaker 93 And also his medley had been Seymour.

Speaker 92 And he sort of held back on his Seymour, but I'm like, I hope he makes the finals because he's going to open up and really show everyone something.

Speaker 91 And then he delivered a performance that was Jimmy's lore.

Speaker 20 This was so

Speaker 20 great.

Speaker 150 And you know, I love the Jimmies.

Speaker 94 I cry the whole time watching how happy they are for each other.

Speaker 92 And again, like, I had just seen the kid, the Hammercats, Danger Box reality show kids, and then I saw these kids.

Speaker 120 And I'm like, God,

Speaker 143 because they are so unjaded.

Speaker 71 They're just trying so hard.

Speaker 101 They want it so bad.

Speaker 151 And it makes me happy.

Speaker 146 And they were so gifted.

Speaker 65 Yet again, duh. But Chapel Roton did get mentioned.

Speaker 81 And I guess what I was saying is I do

Speaker 93 feel like her letting everyone know that she's uncomfortable with the amount of fame right now and that she's walking through it is something that like

Speaker 147 is a really important thing for her to say because it means it's what she needs.

Speaker 122 And so therefore I'm like, you know, while I'm so excited about what's happening with her and what will happen with her,

Speaker 77 nervous is the wrong word.

Speaker 132 I'm just kind of like, but everyone be cool, you know?

Speaker 107 You're healthily concerned.

Speaker 123 Yeah, like be cool, because I mean, if it reminds everyone of Gaga, I feel like when Gaga exploded, like her way of coping was to pretend she was an authority on fame and that it was her assignment.

Speaker 109 That was like essentially a millennial coping mechanism, I think.

Speaker 17 Totally.

Speaker 150 Whereas Chappell's coping mechanism is very, I believe, very Gen Z, it seems, where she's she's just like going to be authentically a little depressed about it.

Speaker 146 Like, it's like you are losing something.

Speaker 150 You know, you get on the mic now, everyone listens to what you say.

Speaker 180 Whereas just six months ago,

Speaker 135 you could see you're at Skokie Pride and she could say whatever the fuck, and it would be whatever.

Speaker 147 But now it's, you know, she's like, probably going to win best new artists at the Grammys.

Speaker 14 Is Skokie Pride real?

Speaker 157 It should be.

Speaker 54 Every city should have a pride, including Skokie.

Speaker 54 I agree.

Speaker 85 I

Speaker 88 got to talk to her for interview magazine and she

Speaker 84 is just working through it.

Speaker 134 And what she kept saying was,

Speaker 19 and which I think is like so,

Speaker 17 this is what's got out of me is that she kept saying, I am just doing what I've always done.

Speaker 87 And I'm like, yes, yes, you have.

Speaker 119 And I think, I think she knows the roadmap for her, which is just to like extrapolate based on

Speaker 88 the way she's done things which has been so gradually like

Speaker 88 magnetizing and now it's like this ground swell where everyone kind of is obsessed with her and um

Speaker 54 i just remember like the days before a hot to go came out and she was just posting tick tocks from her little bedroom and it was like just like just so

Speaker 226 like i don't give a shit like this is like this is like not anything a pop star would have done 10 years ago and i love that there's this new model and like the proxy war between Sabrina and Chappell is done.

Speaker 88 Like everyone, like stand down, like Sabrina Carpeting.

Speaker 178 Good luck, babe, is

Speaker 3 so good.

Speaker 9 It was so good.

Speaker 110 I'm obsessed with that cover.

Speaker 101 She's so good.

Speaker 28 I mean, Sabrina is a really talented singer.

Speaker 149 And I mean, it's a totally different sound than Chapel, but

Speaker 199 really

Speaker 67 Just She has great techniques.

Speaker 79 She's a great communicator.

Speaker 94 I love her lyrics.

Speaker 52 I mean, all of her stuff reminds me of like Dolly Parton.

Speaker 159 I feel like I keep saying that.

Speaker 149 I said that to do it too, but it's please, please, please like really throws it back for me in a,

Speaker 96 in a way that I'm like, I bet, you know, Dolly would be interested and proud of.

Speaker 14 To me, it's giving Judy Sill the way she sings motherfucker is Judy Sill, like from motherfucker.

Speaker 20 Motherfucker.

Speaker 78 Yeah, that's a moment in history right there.

Speaker 100 That's a moment in culture. Motherfucker is a moment in culture.

Speaker 150 And, you know, I see she's kind of uniting gays too.

Speaker 71 I'm going to say it.

Speaker 79 I see some people hedging on chapel in a way where I'm like, why are you hedging on chapel?

Speaker 122 You love chapel.

Speaker 141 Put your hands up.

Speaker 163 It's a roller coaster, babe.

Speaker 86 Well, she's reached the point now where

Speaker 72 she will invite contrarianism.

Speaker 54 That's it.

Speaker 171 God, can you imagine?

Speaker 19 That's got to be what fucks her up.

Speaker 94 Of course.

Speaker 93 Because it's like, wow, she's gotten to the point now where they're going to start talking about me like I'm not a person.

Speaker 141 So confusing sometimes. So confusing sometimes.

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Speaker 151 Should we do I don't think so, honey?

Speaker 17 Let's do I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 96 Because mine is actually chapel related.

Speaker 78 Oh, this is our 60-second segment where we sort of, you know, pop off on something in culture.

Speaker 100 I'm actually going to turn this inward.

Speaker 87 Okay.

Speaker 19 It's chapel related, but it's introspective.

Speaker 20 Amazing.

Speaker 134 Well, this is Matt Rogers's I Don't Think So, honey, and his time starts now.

Speaker 112 I don't think so, honey, the collaborative decision to not give

Speaker 156 Chapel Rhone's Good Luck, Babe, Best Bridge of the Year, the Last Culture Isaac's Culture Awards.

Speaker 109 We gave it to Treacherous by Taylor Swift, a bridge that has been celebrated now for years and years and years and years.

Speaker 222 And I do have to say, while I love that bridge and I think it's a deserving winner in any other year, Good Luck Babe is the bridge of the year.

Speaker 183 Period, point blank.

Speaker 135 There is no better bridge that has been released than...

Speaker 170 Good luck, babe.

Speaker 140 And I feel like maybe we thought we were giving Chappell a little too much and naming all these categories after her.

Speaker 137 She won Album of the Year for the second year in a row.

Speaker 101 Last year, she won.

Speaker 96 We didn't even know what the album was called.

Speaker 155 It didn't exist yet.

Speaker 179 And she still won Album of the Year.

Speaker 109 So she's an album of the year won or twice for the same thing.

Speaker 157 Maybe we thought we couldn't also give her Bridge of the Year for Good Luck Babe.

Speaker 40 Well, what I want to say is, at the time, I thought, Am I going to regret this later?

Speaker 53 And I wish I could say back to me,

Speaker 135 because there is no better bridge and chapel.

Speaker 100 It's an apology from us because I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 105 And that's one minute I co-signed that apology. And I also want to put out there that Good Luck Babe has

Speaker 178 is going to be nominated

Speaker 17 for best pre-chorus.

Speaker 54 Yeah,

Speaker 129 that is what that is a fucking great pre-chorus.

Speaker 70 Yeah, I don't want to fall in love. I don't know,

Speaker 65 I don't know.

Speaker 76 It's the perfect thing that launches you into the, it's so propelling.

Speaker 9 It's so like, it's exactly what a pre-chorus should do, should be, which is to just fucking drive you.

Speaker 128 Step up.

Speaker 20 Yep.

Speaker 122 It's the launch of the roller coaster.

Speaker 109 That's what it is.

Speaker 91 By the way,

Speaker 108 I know you have to leave soon, but tell them you're going to be late because

Speaker 80 I have to touch on Dark Universe.

Speaker 197 Do you want to do your I don't think 20 first?

Speaker 107 Let's touch on dark.

Speaker 105 Well, yeah, I'll do my Out of Think 20 on Dark Universe.

Speaker 65 You're going to do it on Dark Universe?

Speaker 68 It's about Dark Universe, but

Speaker 88 it's so stupid, but

Speaker 119 you've given me something.

Speaker 88 You've given me fodder here. But

Speaker 98 I'm doing the Gen Z hand.

Speaker 133 Wait, Becca, get a picture of this.

Speaker 136 Did you get it?

Speaker 20 Did you get it?

Speaker 20 Okay, got it. That's going to be.

Speaker 221 This actually was a little bit of a titillating episode.

Speaker 75 Okay, wait.

Speaker 112 I'm so shook.

Speaker 150 This is Bowen Yang's.

Speaker 197 I don't think so, honey, about something that's been really saving my life.

Speaker 132 And I'm looking forward to, I don't know what this is going to be.

Speaker 168 Bowen Yang's time starts now.

Speaker 105 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 107 Me thinking that the steakhouse in Dark the Universe was called a dark steakhouse, but it's called Dust Steakhouse.

Speaker 87 I thought that these fucking creative geniuses at Universal, who are putting together Dark Universe, who are rolling this out like a fucking,

Speaker 88 like nothing we've ever seen before, the hype is unlike anything I've ever felt before.

Speaker 107 But I did have to go record scratch when they talked about the restaurant called Dot Steakhouse.

Speaker 129 But I thought, I thought it was going to be called Dark Steakhouse.

Speaker 107 And I went, if that's what it's called, then I am, I post it up at Dark Steakhouse every fucking night because that's the funniest shit I've ever heard.

Speaker 87 I'm petitioning for them to change it to please call it Dark Steakhouse for me.

Speaker 20 Please, I will, I will, I will go in.

Speaker 106 I will, I will invest money. I want to go, I want to eat at a restaurant called Dark Steakhouse.

Speaker 126 Yes, they will be serving steaks on steaks because there will be what?

Speaker 119 Vampires who someone invited in.

Speaker 9 Oh, brother.

Speaker 171 So the restaurant is called Das Steakhouse. And it's not not called Dark Steakhouse, but I do.

Speaker 65 It would be so funny if Epic Universe opened Dark Universe with Dark Steakhouse.

Speaker 20 Like

Speaker 68 that would be so slay.

Speaker 164 Imagination onto what are they?

Speaker 69 Some

Speaker 112 June month fags.

Speaker 43 Unbelievable.

Speaker 86 June month.

Speaker 178 Unimaginative.

Speaker 20 June month fag.

Speaker 96 And then like they'd be like, oh, sorry when we named it.

Speaker 164 We were all on ketamine.

Speaker 122 Like, what are you?

Speaker 131 Okay.

Speaker 39 It's called Das Steakhouse.

Speaker 112 It will be run by the familiars of vampires.

Speaker 87 Okay.

Speaker 75 So, the familiars, I see.

Speaker 97 If you're not like me watching all this content and passing it on to Boen Yang, literally.

Speaker 109 And do you watch the stuff that I send you?

Speaker 131 Of course I do.

Speaker 110 I watched all of the, I watched, oh, bitch. Don't even.

Speaker 107 I watched the entire Jenny Nicholson Star Wars Hotel takedown.

Speaker 9 So good, right?

Speaker 119 I'm obsessed with her.

Speaker 142 Yeah, she's terrific.

Speaker 144 She's chapel runish of, she's chapel run of of YouTube because it's like drag.

Speaker 118 She'll show up in like so many different looks.

Speaker 112 Like, and I'm just like, oh, I love her.

Speaker 226 She has so many looks.

Speaker 119 She has giant plushes just in the background sitting there while she's fucked, while she's in a fucking first order costume, like talking about how this hotel fucking sucks.

Speaker 133 I was like, this is my girl.

Speaker 109 I really want to know like what she feels about the rollout of the epic universe stuff because okay, so basically my most anticipated land, and this will shock people because I'm not a horror person, but I am like a classic movie person.

Speaker 92 And these kinds of horror movies I can do.

Speaker 109 So, this is classic monsters.

Speaker 93 This is the dark universe.

Speaker 94 This is your Wolfman, your Frankenstein, your Dracula, your Bride of Frankenstein, your Brides of Dracula, your mummy, your creature from the Black Lagoon, etc.

Speaker 145 So, basically,

Speaker 93 this is going to be a whole land in Epic Universe, and it is going to tear

Speaker 93 down.

Speaker 70 It is going to tear down.

Speaker 94 They're basically elevating the concept of the haunted house and blowing it the fuck out.

Speaker 96 So people have been on the Forbidden Journey ride, the Harry Potter Forbidden Journey ride.

Speaker 77 You know, you sit in those chairs and the like floating chairs, the benches.

Speaker 135 They're giving that, but there's going to be no ceiling.

Speaker 137 So it's going to be like, there's going to be like 360 wraparound screens and up to 15 state-of-the-art animatronic figures that tell this like story,

Speaker 81 which is that Victoria Frankenstein, who's the great-great-granddaughter of Mr. Frankenstein, by the way, go off, Dr.

Speaker 109 Frankenstein, has decided to resume the family name, capture the monsters, and do a demo of how she's able to control them.

Speaker 75 Villain. Wouldn't you know it?

Speaker 79 Something goes wrong.

Speaker 65 Okay.

Speaker 150 We did not learn from the original Frankenstein that, you know, we are not meant to control all nature.

Speaker 109 Man is not meant to control nature.

Speaker 98 And havoc is going to ensue.

Speaker 158 And basically what they're describing this as is so, so, so, in a word, cunty, because not only

Speaker 145 is Victor, it's so Julia.

Speaker 221 And not only is Victoria Frankenstein popping off, but then across the way, there's a curse of the werewolf roller coaster with a mystic named Malerva who warns us that we

Speaker 53 warns us that we bear the curse of the werewolf.

Speaker 147 No.

Speaker 150 And then we speed off into the woods and the werewolf tries to, you guessed it, eat,

Speaker 68 get us, to eat us.

Speaker 77 And so this is just, this is women slaying or flopping with sleigh results all over this land.

Speaker 105 And that's life.

Speaker 150 I love it.

Speaker 39 There is Das Steakhouse.

Speaker 109 There's a little makeup parlor where you can have monster makeup put on and you can go back out into the park, not for me, but for someone else.

Speaker 109 And then finally, there is a Burning Blade Tavern, which, if you're fans of the original Frankenstein, you know

Speaker 91 of the windmill that burst into flame.

Speaker 112 That's going to be in the park and it's a full-on bar.

Speaker 20 Okay.

Speaker 157 So this is sort of where

Speaker 94 I completely shut the rest of my life off and just only focus on this on YouTube.

Speaker 147 My landing page is so embarrassing.

Speaker 94 I'm really nerdy about it, but it is making my life better on a day-to-day basis while I sit here in my STX windbreaker in my air conditioning.

Speaker 88 I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 20 And I gleefully pass it on to you too.

Speaker 96 I get so excited about showing you this stuff.

Speaker 72 And I receive it.

Speaker 119 This is a thing that people are talking about now.

Speaker 130 Sunlight guilt.

Speaker 150 Oh, yeah,

Speaker 150 go into this.

Speaker 147 I implicitly know what it is.

Speaker 165 It's like, and people in Vancouver feel it all the time because they only get a small window of sunny days here.

Speaker 14 And they really make the most out of it.

Speaker 17 And I really love that culture. Like these are people who are go-getters.

Speaker 20 We're active, activated.

Speaker 130 But I said sunshine guilt, sunlight guilt.

Speaker 134 It's like, well, the day's so nice outside.

Speaker 119 I guess we have to go and like

Speaker 160 gallivant.

Speaker 114 Well, you don't.

Speaker 170 You don't have to do anything.

Speaker 20 You don't have to for anything.

Speaker 77 Just because the weather is a certain way.

Speaker 147 I mean, I completely understand.

Speaker 78 And it's a form of FOMO, I guess, right?

Speaker 105 It's a form of FOMO, but like, here's how I know that I'm like not,

Speaker 89 I'm not like other girls.

Speaker 20 Go on.

Speaker 110 All these gays posting from Central Park,

Speaker 110 from like Sheep's Meadow or whatever, I'm like, couldn't be me.

Speaker 131 Yeah, I,

Speaker 109 you know, it's hard for me to imagine going out and laying out in the park.

Speaker 105 In the words of Vanessa Hudgens, I respect it, but I don't know that I would ever engage in that.

Speaker 130 And maybe something's wrong with me, but that is like Sheep's Meadow is Sunshine Guilt Central.

Speaker 101 Well, I just feel like there's nowhere to get relief from how hot it's going to be.

Speaker 102 Like, it's not going to the beach or hanging out by the pool or something where you can kind of dip in, dip out, whatever.

Speaker 94 It's like if you're going to the park or like something like that, it's like you're laying on that towel and I hope you're able to adjust to whatever the situation presents itself because that is the situation but here's what i'm doing

Speaker 105 and i i'm dead ass about this

Speaker 89 i'm going to the library this summer because guess what they have cooling stations

Speaker 120 they literally there is room in the budget which is being slashed to nothing by eric adams yeah he's awful and has been awful and i'm so happy that there's like to see the uprising against him because it's been time it's god this guy sucks.

Speaker 17 Like

Speaker 127 the libraries have cooling stations.

Speaker 17 I just got my Brooklyn Public Library card.

Speaker 86 There's a new one in Brooklyn Heights.

Speaker 88 Not a new one, but it's just, it just, they renovated it. It's in an old church.

Speaker 119 It is chic as hell.

Speaker 105 I'm going there. I'm browsing all the DVDs.

Speaker 88 I need to talk to you about James Seamus, who co-wrote the original Wedding Banquet with Angly is also

Speaker 89 has also co-written the remake with Andrew On.

Speaker 110 He finally came to set this week and so lovely.

Speaker 85 And we went to dinner and he has this whole treatise on how streamers are basically ruining culture, all culture.

Speaker 88 It's like, I just, I have to get into this with you like in person.

Speaker 9 And I will, I will bring this to Lost Culture, but this is like

Speaker 9 our culture is ruined because all of our culture is like browsing below the fold, right?

Speaker 110 It's like you go on the landing page, you see the title, and if that doesn't appeal to you, you go, let me go down.

Speaker 105 And the further down you go,

Speaker 89 the more this feeling sets in of, well, fuck, I don't like any of this shit.

Speaker 91 Oh my God, that is really astute observation.

Speaker 79 I think about that all the time.

Speaker 120 That's all of our culture.

Speaker 68 It's when you shop online, it's that exact experience.

Speaker 88 The further down you go, you're like, well, none of this, none of this is good.

Speaker 178 It's when you're on Grindr. It's when you're on dating apps.

Speaker 176 It's when you're on any kind of thing where something is bottomless.

Speaker 129 Spotify, it's like,

Speaker 115 well, something must be wrong with me because I don't like any of this.

Speaker 109 And then it is.

Speaker 161 I almost had a breakdown the other day on Spotify for this very reason because I was like, I need to find a new song.

Speaker 112 I was like, and then I was like, oh my God, I can't.

Speaker 149 I can't because it's like, literally, it's like everyone's going through it.

Speaker 150 And I say this with all love, but like, I sometimes I feel like I go on YouTube and I see what they give me.

Speaker 133 And it's all just like clips of Bravo.

Speaker 79 Like, what happened with Lindsay and Carl?

Speaker 101 Or the dark universe thing.

Speaker 109 And then I'm like, I'm looking at it and I'm like, think about me.

Speaker 131 Everybody get old.

Speaker 189 Wasn't that me especially?

Speaker 198 Say you can sing, baby, I know.

Speaker 70 Good luck, babe.

Speaker 138 And it's just like, it's like a, it becomes like a soup circle of like the same little micro culture where I'm like, who am I?

Speaker 170 And then I read a book.

Speaker 91 And I actually have been reading a book that you suggested.

Speaker 14 Mean Boys.

Speaker 92 Mean Boys by Jeffrey Mac.

Speaker 119 I'm reading Martyr by Kabe Akbar.

Speaker 17 So good. You would love it.

Speaker 54 I think you would really love this book too.

Speaker 91 Actually, you know what?

Speaker 87 I have that book.

Speaker 131 They sent it to us, didn't they?

Speaker 146 Yeah, I think they did.

Speaker 197 Somebody sent that to us. Somebody sent it to me.

Speaker 211 I was like,

Speaker 211 who sent me this?

Speaker 160 And then like, I let the galley sit on my shelf.

Speaker 76 Flop, flop behavior on my part. And then it came out and everyone is obsessed with it.

Speaker 68 Seth Meyers loves this book.

Speaker 89 Best Vibe Hands Down.

Speaker 54 And I read it and I was just like, oh, this fucking rules. This is exactly my shit.

Speaker 54 You would love it.

Speaker 223 Reading is what?

Speaker 122 Fundamental. Fundamental.

Speaker 89 The library is where it's at.

Speaker 178 The vibes are immaculate. I go there.

Speaker 127 I'm like, this was college for me.

Speaker 84 Speaking of college, I would wake up, go.

Speaker 17 I was talking to Jared about this.

Speaker 88 He would go to the Library of Columbia.

Speaker 54 I would just go wake up, autopilot,

Speaker 76 walk to Boost, spend nine hours there.

Speaker 178 I am all for the library.

Speaker 107 No cuts to libraries.

Speaker 226 Please donate to any library in your area.

Speaker 87 You won't regret it.

Speaker 17 Like Sarah Disco Parker did this whole like PSA on it that I really found cool.

Speaker 115 Like she was like, it's amazing.

Speaker 87 Like that honor system, like you have all these books.

Speaker 17 They're free.

Speaker 86 They're all yours as long as you bring them back.

Speaker 14 There's something beautiful about that whole idea.

Speaker 89 I'm like, yeah, she's right.

Speaker 20 Anyway.

Speaker 93 I know there are some books I took out when I was a little kid that never got returned.

Speaker 95 I know me too.

Speaker 93 I don't think I'll ever get over it.

Speaker 20 No, no, no.

Speaker 20 That's the sunlight guilt for me.

Speaker 129 Let it go.

Speaker 130 That's not sunlight guilt.

Speaker 92 It's not at all, but I feel a similar shame.

Speaker 54 Just a similar shame.

Speaker 99 I I feel like I just tapped someone on Grindr.

Speaker 162 I feel so ashamed.

Speaker 131 What's the title of app?

Speaker 20 I don't think we landed on one.

Speaker 52 Work it out remix.

Speaker 87 Yes.

Speaker 17 Period. Okay, I do have to go.

Speaker 227 He has to go.

Speaker 77 So, guys, we end every episode with a song.

Speaker 77 Girl.

Speaker 77 It's so confusing sometimes to be a good girl. Go, go, go, go, go.

Speaker 152 Whenever anyone is messing with you, just say,

Speaker 20 go.

Speaker 93 It feels so good, just amazing.

Speaker 109 We're ending this episode feeling so good.

Speaker 87 Bye, bye.

Speaker 10 Lost Culture East is the production by Will Farrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Radio podcasts.

Speaker 120 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Speaker 138 Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Hans Sani.

Speaker 196 Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Laborde.

Speaker 70 And our music is by Henry Kabirski.

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Speaker 70 Oh, Casamigos, of course.

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Speaker 149 A Casamigos margarita really is the perfect cocktail.

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Speaker 45 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too.

Speaker 203 Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743.

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Speaker 227 This Friendsgiving, you know what everyone will be grateful for?

Speaker 34 Casamigos?

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