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Look, Matt.

There.

Oh, I see.

Wow.

Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? wow las culturistas ding dong las culturistas calling let's work it out on the remix let's work it out on the remix do we have anything to work out on the remix no but that but that doesn't change the fact that...
Go! It's so confusing sometimes. So confusing sometimes.
I don't know why. I've sort of put on even more of a British accent when I sing John.
That's interesting. Even though she's not that British in her sing-songy-ness, like, you gotta kind of give it that.
I feel like... Tell me if I'm wrong.
Oh, I will. I feel like you were not in your Anglophile bag for a little bit.

And then now you're really back in it.

Now I feel like Matt is really going British.

You know, I literally bailed on a trip.

I was going to go by myself.

It was very, will Matt go to Glastow? And then I could figure it out because like you cannot get tickets if you don't have them and it's not like coachella where you can take someone's ticket they're like running security i want your passport at the gate like it's a whole fucking thing but i really could have pushed myself even further in that direction by going to glasto and then london pride by myself but i, I couldn't pull the trigger. I'm not somewhere that like,

I'm not someone rather that likes to go places alone.

Yeah.

And that's okay.

It's not confusing at all.

That's not confusing at all.

Wow.

We did just work it out on the remix.

Yeah.

Well, we didn't work anything out,

but we worked out my stuff.

You worked it out with the UK on the remix.

The remix being the podcast, Lost Culturistas. Everyone, please forgive me.
I am, first of all, I'm up early. And I am- 8.30 a.m.
So you can judge at home whether or not that's early for you, but that's when it's deemed early. That's early for me, especially considering, whatever.
We wrapped late at night last night. Yeah, that happens.
But I've been fasting for blood work. And I guess that includes no caffeine.
And that's really hard. That is tough.
You always forget that that also includes caffeine. But can I just use this opportunity to announce something that I think we should all consider as a community? And I think Matt and I talked about this the other day on our other podcast, Two Guys Five Rings.
Check it out, out now. Out now, wherever you find your podcasts.
I want us to adopt this. Okay.
Okay. Does this ever happen to you? You want to say- Love this intro, by the way, because everyone's involved.
Like, does this ever happen to you? Like, here we are. We all know our next thing is to try to answer this question for ourselves.
Go on. And this might be a long sort of post-amble.
Okay. But this is, you want to say the words, you want to say the letters.
See, I'm already fumbling. You want to say the letters LGBTQ plus or LGBTQIA or even just plain old LGBTQ.
Well, you stumble, you get nervous, you have to push your tongue forward and then up. And then it just, on a lingual level, it is bad.
And you have also been on the other side of this where you see like a well-meaning aunt or uncle or parent try to get through all of those letters, those clumsy, unwieldy letters. Yes.
And then you got to say, oh, it's okay. You can just say queer or you can just say gay.
Whatever, however you assuage that person, it's bad. Here's what I'm pitching.
And I know where this is headed and you're going to love it, everyone. You're going to love this.
Instead of LGBTQ, we all say l'jibatgebatique legebatique legebatique and that's spelled l-e-g-e-b-a-t-i-q-u-e and i am literally on board with you 98 of the way until you spell it and then i think that spelling is is okay. The more I've thought about it because, okay, so this came up on two guys, five rings.
And by came up on two guys, five rings. I mean that in two months, you'll hear an episode where we discuss this on that podcast because we've backlogged the hell out of that podcast.
There's a little peek behind the curtain. And Bowen has stumbled stumbled on this unbelievably great idea which is to eliminate all that bullshit you talked about and just be legisbatique because even the people who really know what they're doing and really know the letters watching lgbtq i a a plus community it's just like it's it's getting to the point where it's just like, you guys, we have to be a bigger umbrella.
Leisure Batik. That's everyone.
And by bullshit, by all the bullshit, we mean like just the sort of anxiety around watching other people or being the person who has to just make sure all the letters are included. And that is very important.
Yes. I think we are putting forward lege batik as a by default inclusive term.
It is a new word as we are sort of debuting in this way. And we are able to define that word as being something that is in perpetuity inclusive.
And what better time than now when all eyes are on Paris to create this French word, l'égepétique? I just think it is perfect. It's just easier on the tongue.
Literally, it's like, it just kind of, it really does flow off and you kind of want to keep saying it. L'égepétique.
Well, when you say LGBTQ+, and you add more to that, you have to stop after every letter to really get it across. LGBTQ plus like it's like you have to open and close your mouth so many times as it were.
Whereas Leisure Boutique, it flows. It has presence.
It also elevates us as a community. You know what I mean?'re not beholden to lgbtq no you know what we're actually not trying to be we're not trying to spell it out we are we are that's what i like most about it leisure boutique we are there's a boutique and i'm really well i'm really interested in it's not feeling like you have a sniper dot on your head every time you see someone try to make everyone feel included in lgbtq plus i'm like you know what it's a given everyone is included legit boutique we are transcending okay so that's legit boutique i this is a very interesting time.
We're in cancer season and that is the missing water sign between us. Yeah.
And I think we, I think we are really experiencing a water sign season right now in many ways. Well, here's my water sign season.
I've decided to deal with summer by being in what I would call, what would you call this? An STX fleece with sort of when you touch the shoulder, it makes this noise. What would you call that? What is that? Right here.
It's not really registering on the mic. But I imagine it's like scratchy.
It's like windbreaker, but only on the shoulder. Anyway, I'm in a full-blown polo in the air conditioning and really trying to make outside as small of an issue as it possibly can be because it is so fucking hot.
Not to say I'm not going out there and enjoying myself. I'm very happy with the goldening of my skin.
I can say I'm participating in summer, but certainly inside calls. You're not wearing this.
I will describe it as, and I mean this only as a compliment. You are giving gay jabberwocky.
Okay, I'll take it. Gay jabberwocky for sure.
That makes me feel really sexy, actually,

to know that I'm giving gay Jabberwocky.

Yes.

I don't know why I think of them as people who fuck,

but certainly they are.

Remember when Taylor Swift danced with the Jabberwockys when she sang 22 live?

I think it was at the AMAs.

It was the Billboard Music Awards

and she sang 22 with the Jabberwockys. She would never do that now.
I miss the old Taylor. Just kidding.
No, no. I think she would do that now.
I think she's still got tricks up her sleeve. Should we reveal? July 4th, we're going to be in Amsterdam.
We're seeing Taylor Swift, Arrow's Tour. I think somehow this is public knowledge.
Sometimes people know stuff about us and I go, who told you? Well, that's because we have big fucking mouths. And I would, I would 100% bet that it's just because we've said it before and forgot we said it.
And forgot that does happen. I mean, Matt Whitaker just texted me and goes, oh my God, love the two guys, five rings podcast.
This is instant canon. Your guys is Shannon Miller bit is making me crack up.
And I said two things. One, what is the bit? And two, who is Shannon Miller? I completely forgot.
Oh, I remember Shannon Miller. It's Simone Biles is set to break her record for number of medals.
I think. Oh, great, great, great.
Well then yes, down with Shannon Miller and up with Simone Biles. For those of you who don't know, it is not a bit.
We are hosting a two guys, five rings, Olympics themed real NBC Peacock, iHeartMedia podcast. They came to us to do it.
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We get, like, fun little transitions with scoring. And they've done a fabulous job of kind of making it seem a little different.
I really like, I was like, this is a chic little podcast. Look at what we're a part of.
I was like with that little musical transitions and shit. Couldn't BS on here.
No, I always did want a soundboard though. I always wanted a soundboard because it just takes me back to FM culture.
Like I've talked about it before, but the best use of a soundboard I've ever heard was when I was a little, little, little kid. I was on vacation

with my family and I remember me and my grandmother and my mom and my dad watched the season finale of

Joe Millionaire. And at the end of Joe Millionaire, it was that terrible male Fox voiceover who

actually was an icon. But the last like four commercial breaks ended with him being like,

it's not over yet. And someone on the radio the next day, just like was talking about it and just kept playing the it's not over yet.
And it made me laugh so much. You know, who's so good with soundboards, Danny Pellegrino.
He's so good. Danny Pellegrino is really good.
It is a tool that really can elevate the podcasting medium and radio medium. Well, it gives it an identity because I don't know,

like FM radio is so, you know it when you hear it.

It's one of those things.

Podcasts haven't really been able to reproduce that magic.

I don't think if anyone is going to be up for the challenge,

I think it would be us.

Like I'm thinking, did you ever listen to Danny Bonaduce?

And I forget what his co-host's name was

in the mornings.

It was on Kiss FM.

This was like peak middle school.

Danny Bonaduce, like Danny from,

is he from?

From Partridge Family.

He like hosted a radio show

with this woman who had the most,

the raspiest, coolest voice.

That's all I remember.

I think it was Danny and Kelly. Danny and Kelly or something.
Those sound like great, great radio host names. Danny and Kelly.
Live in the morning with Danny and Kelly. Oh my God.
I mean, you couldn't pay me to get up to see. Clearly I'm operating at zero right now this early in the morning, but there's just something about rolling up to work, clocking in at 4.30 a.m.
or whatever, and then doing the radio show gig and then leaving and then having a fabulous day at home. Yeah, but the thing is like those radio DJs are not fasting in the morning like you are.
I've seen you get up early and I don't like you talking about yourself like this. You are more than capable of getting up early and getting after it.
I guess what I'm saying is cut yourself some slack. Those people are caffeinated to hell and unburdened by the expectation of a blood test.
So they're able to really pile on the energy in the morning. And then Bowen, the thing about them is that's their job.
So a radio DJ, like

someone who's active in the morning can just fuck off the rest of the day. Unless they're Ryan Seacrest.
Unless they're Ryan Seacrest and they have an empire. Busiest man in Hollywood.
Ryan, we'd love to talk to you. Come on, let's coach.
Would we? No. I don't know that Ryan Seacrest is able to be candid.

Yeah.

I feel like if you ever dated Terry Hatcher, you have darkness and an enclosure of the soul and you will never be an authentic person. That is a real drag on Terry.
It's not a drag on Terry. It's a drag on people who date Terry.
I'm going to say say I feel like Terry was the big perpetrator on the set of Housewives I feel like Terry was the one wow you really believe the hype you believe the hype you know these gays here's what they'll do and this is just me talking to y'all the listener these are what these gays will do these gays will lift you up and tear you down these gays love it when you play Susan Meyer they love when love when you fall in the bush naked. They love it.
They root for you. When you win the Golden Globe, you give your little, I used to be a has-been speech.
They cheer. Then, you know, you're around for a few years.
Start dating hot guys. Ryan Seacrest, stuff like that.
They want to tear you down. They want to see you fall.
And they won't stop. And gays run the media.
Okay? And when the gays get to their shenanigans on the media, and Terry, you pissed them off because you dated the hottest guy they all want, Ryan S., you're going down. Oh, wow.
Up with the rest of the cast, down with Terry.

And it's sad to see.

Sad to see it bleed all the way into this podcast, which I thought was a pro Terry Hatcher space. That's why I joined eight years ago.
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Holy shit. Which is going to be an investigative journalism, kind of not quite true crime, but adjacent.
Like we need to find out who was at fault. I want, I want to start, no joke.
I want to start a podcast called Gay Mysteries or something where we find out who was at fault. Who was the person behind the zombie mask on Wendy Williams for the Halloween episode that made her say, what was that? What other gay mysteries? Maybe it's called, what was that? Maybe it's called what, what was that with Matt and Bowen where we go? What was that about any, about any little fucking thing that traps our ass? Like, yeah, I'll tell you an episode that I want to do what was that is the episode about whenever Levine won best new artist at the VMAs in the year of our Lord 2002 and Kelly Clarkson gave her the award and Avril snubbed her and it was really bad what was that I that's the kind of thing I need to dive into is your only regret of the Kelly Clarkson episode where we had her on our show not asking her about that moment? You know what? It was such a positive time with Kelly.
There were so many things I could have asked her. I could have asked her about Dr.
Luke, which by the way, we could talk about that. The Dr.
Luke of it all was something years ago when kesha had her lawsuit against dr luke a lot of pop girlies like testified against him as character witnesses like i guess for kesha just being like what's the deal with this guy what is he like like the allegation of sexual assault was kesha's and hers alone but like we want to know from other people that him, like, what's the deal? And she flat out was like, he is not a good guy. Nothing ever happened to me like that.
But I literally, she said in another interview, she told her record label, she'll work with anyone, but Dr. Luke.
And they made her work with him on all I ever wanted. And they they did My Life Would Suck Without You together.
And she claims she actually wrote enough of that song to get songwriting credit. She worked on it enough where she could have been as the artist, like, put my name on this.
Yeah. But she says, I didn't want my name anywhere near his.
And so I said, forget it. I'll just not take the credit.
And that song was a number one hit. So she missed out on dollars because of that, because she was just not down to be.
That's standing on principle. Absolutely.
But one Katy Perry has just announced her new music and I root for Katy, but she makes it hard sometimes because she doesn't have to work with Dr. Luke.
She's someone that is famously a singer songwriter who can create her own stuff and can work with any producer in the business because, yeah, I mean, she might not be the most relevant pop star of our time, but she gets streams on streams on streams on streams. And for her to put Dr.
Luke on this record again has my side, I personally, because she's not one of the new young POC or queer women who are trying to make it in the business who he then goes to and says, I'll help you. And they're like, of course, I'm going to take this opportunity.
It's not the same thing. This is Katy Perry, who's established and can work with anyone.
And yet she still makes this choice. So it's actually totally different.
I don't know what to make of these rumors about this being guerrilla marketing, her releasing a purposefully bad snippet of her single that is not even the snippet from the song. It's supposed to like enough, enough of that.
I thought that was funny, I guess. I mean, but now I'm already, I'm already like, this is what Katie tends to like get me to do is I just, can you describe what's, what's going on to the listeners? It's a slight eye roll and it's like, I'm already a little bit exhausted.
Let's just kind of get to the music because ultimately the music is probably going to be pretty good. If she snaps in and really is as galvanized as she seemed when she was like quitting American Idol and stuff.
But the thing is like, I don't know. It's like when you're Katy Perry and you're bringing Dr.
Luke into it, it is a completely different thing. And you see Kesha just tweeted LOL.
Well, I thank God for that because I think that really did... It was able to be a funnel for all of our thoughts around like, wait, Dr.
Luke. I think the credits...
Well, here's what happened. I think the order of events was Kesha replied, LOL.
And then the songwriting credits came out. And I don't know if one was spurred.
I think the songwriting credits were spurred by the Kesha comment, which is interesting. Like, why make it so damning after suspicions already been raised? I think people didn't know that Dr.
Luke had worked on the record publicly.

I think Kesha might've known,

but I don't think people were like,

oh, what is this about?

I think Kesha commenting that made people go,

wait a minute, is this a Dr. Luke thing?

And then sure enough, days later,

they released the credits.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

I am grateful that she did that.

Well, just in terms of how the,

both of the snippets of the song sounded,

like there was one that was like actually horrible. And I thought that it was so horrible that it actually was funny.
I was like, oh, this is so clearly not it. And she's doing this weird TikTok where she's singing it.
And there's times when Katy Perry jumps out and I'm like, oh, yes, like you get it. You're like, you know, this self-aware, like almost like comedy forward, whatever that means for a pop star.
Like, it's like, you're like this, like fun, like self-aware, like a bimbo of pop. And I, what I like that Sabrina Carpenter is kind of filling those shoes because their lyrics are really clever and like cheeky and fun and they fill their aesthetic with it.
They both kind of, I mean, like the espresso video kind of like is California girls without all the candy and stuff. Like it's more just like straightforward and that funicello.
But you see where there's a blueprint for what Sabrina Carpenter is doing in recent pop. But it's like, it's not like the second clip of what we assume is the real woman's world is that much better where we're like, oh my God, gag.
She really released that horrible first song. And now this one is such a moment.
It's like, yeah, no, it's a better song, but the, the, the, the gulf, the Canyon of quality is not that big. Yeah.
I am really digging the way Sabrina is going about the, shall we say, you who? I think she's very like you who like coded, you know? I mean, just like I knew she was my girl. I knew she was sort of my little sister in the espresso video when she's getting arrested.
And she's sort of like her head is like flailing around. And she's like, oh, I was just like, yeah'm into her i really like her i'm she's actually forever for me etc and now she i mean she's very much here to stay number one hit please please please please please please is fucking great well i love love that she kind of got a little petty with it when she had number one on the billboard hot 100 oh and she posted that gay being like no one's ever fly do it some gay was like no one's ever flopped this hard on a second single omfg or whatever the fuck and like literally on her official instagram it's just her number one on the chart and a piece of the article and then that gay guy's tweet and it it's like, yeah, and I get it.
It's like, sometimes I can see being a person who receives tweets like that and receives commentary like that. And it's like, okay, well, just so you know, if you engage in a conversation, someone might respond.
And that is a conversation you engaged in. But that's kind of the best way to go about it.
It's the birdwatching equivalent of responding to a fucking reply guy or reply gay. It's like...

Talk to us about how it's like bird watching. It's that you are kind of from afar acknowledging its existence without actually engaging in it until, let's say, you hit number one on Billboard and then you can post a picture of the bird i guess i'm losing the thread but i just find it refreshing but speaking of tweets was it someone in our in our group chat who like unearthed these old katie perry tweets where she just fucking bullies sky Ferreira and that is unforgivable

to me. I will

do this on your behalf because

you have worked with Katie in the past. She's given you

job opportunities and

you... Oh, first of all, she did not give me

a job opportunity. She was kind about

an opportunity I got in her

video, which by the way, if you haven't seen the Not the

End of the Realm music video, I'm basically one of the

leads of it. You are the lead.
I think you are the star of it. She wasn't on set.
Zooey Deschanel was on set. Love her.
Love Zooey. Love Zooey.
Can I say, you weren't there because you had to work, but I went to go see Katy in Vegas for my birthday. Like, I love Katy Perry.
Like, I mean, I'm a fucking 34-year-old gay man. Like, California Girls and Teenage Dream hit when we were, what, 22? Like, come on.
We love come on we love katie perry 20 20 yeah exactly it's like i don't want to be on here fucking like oh it sucks that she worked with dr luke when she doesn't have to at all she just doesn't have to at all she just doesn't i think it sucks that she wrote it for rick caruso i think some of the shit that she does sucks and that doesn't mean i don't think she's a a great fucking pop star. But if you what are we supposed to do? Not talk about the fact that she's working with Dr.
Luke. Don't do it then.
I think Katie is like not in that window of unproblematic fave person. She's got all of Brazil, so she's fine.
You know what I mean? They want her to come to Brazil so bad and they don't care about Rick Caruso in Brazil, you know? Right. She did invent Come to Brazil.
That's amazing. She didn't invent it, but she like, she helped originate it.
I'm ready to give her all the credit that she deserves. 100%.
Including the credit for including Dr.ke in the credit yeah no nothing's a mistake it's just like okay so great can you imagine in the year of our lord 2024 being her and being like guess what you guys are gonna gag guess who i'm working with dr luke here's a big announcement here's an official announcement about, huh? Like, oh, how is that supposed to make people feel exactly? Like excited? What excited for the bops? You're Katy Perry. You can do them without him, you know? And then I guess that's another thing to compare it to like this generation of pop girly and this moment where everyone's like supporting each other and like being there for each other and like all those collabs that came out the other day.

And now you in the same moment are out here with a track list that includes Dr. Luke, who, you know, allegedly raped one of your peers on a track called Woman's World.
on a track called woman's world and also like notwithstanding even the sexual assault but

someone that many of your other peers are on the record as being like, this guy's not a good guy, Lady Gaga and Kelly Clarkson and Kesha included. Like I said, this is not Kim Petras working with Dr.
Luke. This is not Doja Cat working with Dr.
Luke who were young artists who maybe didn't have producers throwing themselves at them. You know what I mean? These are young, queer POC people who do not have the same opportunities as someone like these other older established white girls have.
So I never really liked when people were like, oh, fuck them for working with Dr. Luke.
It's like they're they're taking an opportunity maybe it's the only one that they had i'm not saying that i think it's a great idea for people to work with him because of who he is i'm just saying there is a big difference between katie perry at her big age coming out here with dr luke on the track oh i'm at a big age too we're all at a big age we're at a big age we're all old enough to know better about this and i fucking love katie berry i just want i want better choices i was just gonna say i brought up the sky for a thing because i am convinced that she more than some pop girlies we know and we might ascribe this quality to is like, has had a history of bullying. Sky has? Not Sky, Katie.

Oh. Some pop girlies we know and we might ascribe this quality to is like has had a history of bullying.
Sky has not Sky, Katie. Oh, no, I think even Sky had a history of being bullied.
I was like, well, we have to help her. We have to get guidance counselors in here.
We need mediators. Why is everyone picking on Sky? But you mean, Katie bullying other people.
Yeah, sure. Katie.
We know stories of Katie at Club 33.

Okay, the alleged beginning of the beef with her and Taylor was that they both were at Club 33,

which is the secret Disney restaurant.

And Katie, I guess, to break the ice

because there was some John Mayer bullshit,

Katie sent over a glass of milk

and Taylor didn't like that or didn't get it.

And so that was the start of the feud.

It wasn't actually the backup dancers. This is one of my favorite conspiracy theories it's a great conspiracy theory it's it's funny but it's also like well if that if i were taylor i'd be like yeah fuck that girl it's the kind okay so again we don't know that this happened let's just pretend that it happened let's pretend it did let's say it's someone that is a peer of yours.
You've been friendly with, but now there's this weird thing because they're dating your ex and you're already in a combative situation because of what the industry does to women in that field. Someone says, you know what? As a bit, I'm going to do this thing.
And they send over a glass of milk which is i don't know how to describe it anything other than very sixth grade humor it's so sixth grade so you get the milk and it's like whether you get it or not you have to be ready to have the joke happen to you and she obviously just wasn't who's ready for that joke though. Like, you have to be ready to have the joke happen to you.
And she obviously just wasn't. Who's ready for that joke though? Like you have to have such low self-esteem to be like, oh my God, you got me girl.
Or like, that was so funny that you sent over milk. Why is it funny? You know what I mean? Right.
It's nasty. Have you ever done that? No, I would never fucking do that.
Wait, what do you mean? I just mean, have you ever done the bit of, or the thing of like, Hey, to the waiter, like, can you send this person over a drink as a bit? I've done it as a bit. I've done it as a bit.
Cause I thought it was funny when I was, again, when I was in middle school, I was at an Applebee's and I was with a bunch of my friends and one of my teachers was across the, like across the restaurant. And I said, Oh my God, I have the funniest bit.
So I said to my waitress, I was like, go bring a cherry Coke over to him and say, it's from the gentleman. It's from the gentleman over there across the, across the way.
And I'll be there waiting. And when they brought over the cherry Coke, The waitress dropped it And it went everywhere

Queen

Queen and when they brought over the cherry coke the waitress dropped it and it went everywhere queen queen and I think she had been midway I think maybe she was excited about doing the bit and so she was like midway through I could see her mouth this is from the gentleman and then like my poor teacher had like his slacks covered in cherry coke which is you know gotta be a little bit more involved than a regular coke to get out because you got that sweet sweet grenadine in there oh the grenadine be sticky but there's nothing more i want than for this to have been a real story and the club Club 33 waiter brought the milk over. This is from the girl.
And then dropped the milk all over Taylor Swift at Disneyland, where you don't want to be covered in milk at all. Oh, no.
That's a fate worse than death. I just, that makes my fucking skin crawl.
I'm sorry. There's something about that.
First of all, just period. I don't know how you would answer this.
Would you send, buy anyone a drink now at a restaurant? Let's say you saw someone who was hot. I'm going to buy that person a drink.
I have no idea how to engage in those situations anymore. I don't know.
I don't know how to be on the receiving end of that. Not that it happens all the time, but I'm just like, well, how do I don't know? Dating is way weirder now than it used to be for a litany of reasons, but I would rather just someone, I would rather just be pursued than like be out, like trying to like be cute about it.
You know what I mean? I think that like ultimately at me as a person, as a romantic partner, I think I respond better to initially someone else expressing interest anyway, but also like, I don't want to be weird. And then like someone, someone gets a drink from me and they're like, that's from that guy over there.
And they like, in some way, maybe know who I am. And they're like, Oh, Matt Rogers sent me a drink at a bar gross.
Oh, we're never doing that. Yeah.
I mean, it would never happen, but like, I don't know. I'm just trying to negotiate like being out there interacting with eligible gay men.
If you're out there. If you're out there.
And I just like, I thought about sending a drink and I'm like, that can't be the move. No, like if I tap a guy on Grindr, I feel immediate shame even today.
Is that the equivalent? I'm like, oh, why did I do that? I mean, I will say tapping on Grindr, you know, people really don't like it. You ever see the profiles on Grindr that are like no taps, absolutely no taps.
I'm like, what the fuck is the big idea? Like, what is the big fucking deal? Like, is Grindr just the kind of place where people go to say things like that or do they actually care? Or are you just trying to project a thing of like, I have an air of exclusivity around me. Like I don't do taps.
I don't do this. Is it because you can't be like even more restrictive than that in what your quote unquote preferences are? So you do this weird flex on taps.
I just don't get it. So you got tapped.
Someone tapped someone thought you were hot whatever you are status minded in a way that is like pathological at that point i just would love to interview someone for two minutes on this podcast and we can do the voice uh the voice thing so that you drop down like this so no one knows who you are about what it is you have against taps is it just that you think it's flaky and you'd rather be messaged directly?

Like, what is it?

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

For the Katies out there,

do you want to explain Taps?

Oh, yeah.

It's a way to get someone's attention

on Grindr, basically.

It's a way to, like, acknowledge...

Without saying anything.

Without saying anything.

It's like a soft flirt.

Which, kind of a great UI thing, right? It's like a great, like, next evolution of, like... It's like a soft flirt.
Which, kind of a great UI thing, right? It's like a great next evolution of like, it's like a Facebook poke. Yes.
Head of Content Huns is saying. Yes, it is exactly like a Facebook poke.
Exactly. Anyway, that's that.
I think us interviewing this person is going to fall into, oh, what was that? Episode. Oh, that's really good.
The thing is like, I don't understand how we could do another podcast, but that would be it. We also, what was that? Can just be a new segment on this podcast.
Cause you know how good we are about keeping up with all the new segments that we should do. Is it over? It's not.
Well, let's see. Producer Beckett made us a doc.
Should we look at 1979? No, I don't. And't And can I tell you something This is how I know it might be over I don't want to do that Okay Then it's over Sister I am in lockstep with you Whatever you This is our partnership This is friendship It's gotta be a hell yes from both of us.
We are working it out on the remix.

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Here's the thing about the excavation of years. We tried it.
And it was also a truly collaborative attempt at creating something new for the podcast. But if we're really going to work it out on the remix, I think we started doing that because of this idea that we like didn't want to pick on like new culture that much because we are like in like the training wheels phase of a new era of the podcast.
But like, I don't fucking care that much. I just fucking talked mad shit about Katy Perry for 15 minutes.
Deserved though. You know what I'm saying? It's like we're not even talking shit.
We're she's a great fucking pop star she's formative we expect more from her than a continuation of working with dr luke because she's literally talented enough to not that's not really talking shit and she announced that she was voting the way she was voting in la so it's like okay well if you're gonna do that then understand that understand that it's a hot button issue. Oh my God, I forgot about her vote.
Oh my God, Katie. But they don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil.
It's actually a rule of culture number 19. They don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil.
And until Rick Caruso gets the come to Brazil plea. No one's checking for him in LA.
So that would be great, actually. Yeah, but Katie, I feel like it's Katie and everyone else on the coin.
The industry loves to spend to quote Ella, Lord, the legend, the voice. Can I say she ate that? What is six plus two? Because she ate.
Because she crushed it. And I was so emotional throughout.
And then with every line, and then because I ride for you, Charlie, if you wanted to know, now you know. I was just like, and also the way that she wrote it, the way she brought back the, they say we have this same hair.
I was just like, everything about this is a great moment in pop and i think if there's any justice it should be nominated for pop duo group vocals at the grammys it is a moment and they deserve it what i find remarkable about the lord verse is that it is not like retaliatory like i think charlie would have been down for for like, yeah, Lord, do the verse and like, come for me.

Like, cause like, I feel like if you go back and read Charlie's verse, it is like a little bit like accusatory of like, you.

Yeah.

What's the problem?

What's the problem?

You've like bailed on me.

I can't tell if you're being genuine.

Like you girl so confusing sometimes.

It makes me insecure the way that you treat me because low key, like Lorde is a much, much, much more commercially successful artist. She had been lauded in a way that Charlie had it.
And then everyone said to her, like, you know, you guys are a natural pair. Like it's a level up like the two of you together.
But low key on the other side of it, Charlie is the coolest bitch in the game and she's the one who truly moves things

forward and probably everyone's low-key in some way chasing what she does of course so there's insecurity in the dynamic and then literally it just comes down to when we are together it's weird so what the fuck and then for lord to respond with just vulnerability just vulnerability i love it It wasn't like, well, here's what you've done.

It's like, oh no, I was so insecure myself.

I. Vulnerability? Just vulnerability.
I love it. It wasn't like, well, here's what you've done.
It's like, oh no, I was so insecure myself. I canceled last minute because I didn't feel worthy of your company.
I hated my body. Like all of these things.
I love it's just self-defense until you're building a weapon.

Oh, that is wow. There was a line about like, um, I was at war with my body.
Like your life seemed awesome. I didn't want to be in your pictures.
Like I think that's pretty relatable to everyone. Like, you know, when someone you don't really necessarily feel super comfortable with because you think they're super hot or really admire them, their talent, or you think they're really smart or you feel small in some way around them, their intentions can be 100.
Yes. But you don't feel good enough to show up in that as yourself, compete with whatever it is because of everything going on internally.
I have certainly canceled on people who I just didn't really know either what the intention was or why I would benefit, why they'd benefit from having me around, et cetera. But like I've supposed to hang out with guys sometimes and just like completely took myself out of it because I didn't feel good enough.
Yeah. I, I feel like, um, Benny drama is my Lord.
No, I'm just kidding. I was like, I was like, who's the gay equivalent of Charlie? My jaw just dropped.
I was like, no. Can you imagine picking the sweetest person on actual planet earth? No, I was going to say, I was thinking like, who's the gay male equivalent to Charlielie xcx and i think it's benny drama but i'm like oh i love that for him but meanwhile benny drama is the coolest the funniest the sweetest we love no but that's why he's a good example throw it out there and he'd be like bowen what the fuck and it would be a fun thing because because one of the scariest things in the world is doing that with someone that you actually have those feelings about oh my god which is why i respect charlie and lord so much is because they fully just aired this out and like in so many words maximize their joy and slay because that would be really scary i can speak for myself i'm sure you feel this way to do that with our own peers in our own industry.
Yeah. The idea of like a girly beef is hopefully like, this is a huge moment in the perennial concept of like a beef between pop girls.
Like this is the way to do it. Like God bless Taylor Swift for getting Katy Perry out in a hamburger costume, which I think is its own sort of like retaliation.
Hey, thank you so much for coming. Here's your costume.
You have to wear this. You have to wear this for the way you've treated me like but this is like this is a huge watershed moment don't worry i look stupid too she comes out in a super skinny hot dog costume don't worry me too i'll be a food too like tiny food slim food slim food snatched healthy oh stop But I So Confusing is like, someone said it's the rate on me for people who do ketamine.
And period. Y'all are on too much powders.
Relax. Can we stop? Okay, cool.
We all do ketamine. Stop talking about it.
This is what I want to put out there. As sort of a corollary to Alicia Batik, let's take a break from powders that's fine if you want to do powders i'm just like this whole thing of like yes community we're addressing you we all know that everyone does ketamine okay now we can we can sort of just like it doesn't have to become your personality i get that it's the summer and the summer is starting and it's pride like ketamine yay like k is not in leisure boutique like it might be a part it might be a part of what goes down but like that's a q not a k yeah it's becoming that thing of like when you're you know when you're like just get into high school and you start smoking weed or whenever you start smoking weed it's like all you can talk about you start anything it's all you can talk about it's just like i don't think the um it's not cool that we all do ketamine you know what i mean maybe it is all right i mean you are way cooler than me so it's like no no that is not true we're not having this discussion let's work it out on the remix you know i saw the other night i did the monologues at um rat scraps which is the new ass cat and a couple things happened which i want to talk about but you know who was performing was tammy sager oh my god tammy and she says hello and i just remembered that night we went to joey and tratoria and worked it out on the remix with tammy and cat and and BSJ.
And also her episode of Lost Coach, Miss Sadie Cohen, was a moment when we really worked it out on the remix. We walked through like a lot of hard feelings.
We did. And that episode.
But it was just funny to see her there because like I was like, you know, you're dangerous because you open up the floodgates emotionally. yeah.
She got us to work it out on the remix.

Which is very easy to talk to.

You know what I mean?

Like,

and so sometimes it's just like you,

you,

you start talking and then you've said things.

Oh,

but the other part I wanted to say,

and this was emotional actually.

So did the monologues at Ratscrap's,

which was the old ASCAD you've done it before.

We know like from,

you know,

coming of age and comedy and a time when UCB was truly king in New York,

Thank you. did the monologues at Rat Scraps, which was the old ASCAD, you've done it before.
We know like from, you know, coming of age and comedy and a time when UCB was truly king in New York, that like ASCAD was like the hottest show. It's like such a super big honor to do monologues for either that show or Rat Scraps, which is all the classics from UCB where they're improvising and just such a fun show.
So I did my monologues and they, they improvised scenes off them. It was a really fun night.
And then at the end, some kids came up who are hammer cats and danger box and they do reality show now at NYU. And they were like 21 years old and they were literally little versions of us.
And they were so sweet. And they were like, they were like, we're so inspired by like inspired by like you know you guys doing so well and we know it started here so we work really hard and you can just tell how inspired by they are by like you and stephanie shu and rachel bloom and shana taube you know shout out two-time tony winner the first time someone has ever won for book and score at the Tonys that is Shayna Taub that is 100% one of the original girlies and you know it was just really amazing like and I realized you know they're coming up there in that group now these are our sketch and improv groups at NYU everybody which were like stuff we cared so deeply about and you know they're looking at a world where like so many of the people that went through that, like really succeeded.
I mean, a Hammercat fucking headline Coachella. Okay.
So like anything can happen. Childish can be an L.
Yeah. But like, what I mean is it was really cool to see them so obviously galvanized to be doing what they're doing.
This one girl was in Hammercatats, Dangerbox, reality show and was a double major in drama and dramatic writing. I was like, you are really going for it.
But they're really going for it. And it made me so proud.
And I knew it would make you proud too. I'm beaming.
I'm doing like a'm doing like a, like a little, like a emotional frown bottomized emoji. Oh, I just, that is like setting the groundwork for so much of everything.
It'll be a lot of disappointment and a lot of like triumph. And also like, it is, if you're, yeah, you're really centering the work early on.
And that's like something that like, I kind of like have like thoughts about. I'm like, I should have, I'm like, could I have done more back in the day to like throw myself into things? But like, it doesn't matter.
Like, I mean, the answer is clearly if you could have, you wouldn't have needed to because look how everything has worked out. But I too was a workhorse back then.
It was never enough.

I lived and breathed it.

Like it was what I thought about every day.

Shout out to chemistry and my Bachelor of Arts in Chemistry at NYU.

But that was not the thing that was keeping me going.

Oh my God.

I forgot to tell you.

We did a game show the other night

and we do celebrity essences.

And the answer to them was you. The answer to one was you.
Do you want to know your Celebrity Essences? Yes, I have to know. Okay.
Did the people guess right or no? Everyone knew it was you. It was easy.
That was my note for us with Game Show this time. I was like, it was a little too easy.
But guys, whenever we do Bell House Game Show, you got to comment. It's so fun.
It's so fun. So it was Lorne Michaels.
Oh, God. Three dollar bill.
Uh-huh. There you go.
Who's that going to be? Mikey Day. OK.
The periodic table. OK.
This is so easy. Matt Rogers.
And oh, my God. What was the fifth one? Oh, tomato.
thought about tomato but then i was like people don't really know that yeah okay okay sure wait there was a fifth one i'll think of it okay well i'm honored oh my god that's a huge honor to be in celebrity essences it was gonna it was just gonna be a twofer and it was gonna be lane Michaels and $3 bill. I mean, there you go.
But then I was like, I was having too much fun thinking of them. We had a really fun time.
It was really fun. But anyway, like seeing those kids and I just want to look at them and say, listen, your pop girlies right now, they might disappoint you in the future but don't for example you know teenage dream changed my life now caruso voter who works with dr luke still listen to me i know you love sabrina carpenter i know you love chapel rome they're humans they might disappoint you one day oh my never forget what good luck babe meant to you now i'm just kidding she'll know i think chapel room will never disappoint anyone that's but that's not putting any pressure on her at all no and can i say i feel very conscious of the fact that i like watching her blow up so fucking fast has of course been thrilling but you have been a a big, you've been a champion for her since the beginning.
I can't say I was first because that's insane. No, but like I was early.
A straight man told me about Chapel Roan, Matthew Vaughn, my producer of Have You Heard of Christmas? We were literally shooting Have You Heard of Christmas? The special. And he was like, you have no idea this new girly Chapel Roan.
And I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then I listened to Casual and I was like, oh, wait, do you have a major point? Matthew Vaughn deserves some kind of Elizabeth Teague award.
I mean, he produced Have You Heard of Christmas. Well, there you go.
But I mean, like that is like a straight man with that kind of taste specificity. It was fucking wild to watch her perform live.
After that, I'm like, oh my God, I went with him. Sudi and I went with him to the show.
Right, right. At the Fonda, that famed Fonda show I talk about.
And then I was like, oh my God, this is going to be so major. And now it's so major.
Like last night at the Jimmy's, the girl who won the Jimmy's like shouted out Ch Rhone. Oh my God.
Talk about the Jimmy's. Oh, the Jimmy's were great.
The winners were excellent. The, the girl who won sang the music that make me dance from funny girl, original Broadway.
Oh, wow. It was, it was really amazing.
And, um, Oh my God. The kid who won, uh, the guy who won saying, make them hear You, and also his medley had been Seymour, and he sort of held back on his Seymour, but I'm like, I hope he makes the finals because he's going to open up and really show everyone something, and then he delivered a performance that was Jimmy's lore.
This was so great, and you know I love the Jimmy's. I cry the whole time watching how happy they are for each other and again like i had just seen the kid the hammer cats danger box reality show kids and then i saw these kids and i'm like god because they are so unjaded you know what i mean they're just trying so hard they want it so bad and it makes me happy and they they were so gifted yet again, duh, but chapel wrote and did get mentioned.
And well, I guess what I was saying is I do feel like her letting everyone know that she's uncomfortable with the amount of fame right now and that she's walking through it is something that like is a really important thing for her to say because it means it's what she needs. And so therefore I'm like, you know, while I'm so excited about what's happening with her and what will happen with her, I nervous is the wrong word.
I'm just kind of like, but everyone be cool. You know, you're healthily concerned.
Yeah. Like be cool because I mean, if it reminds everyone of Gaga, I feel like when Gaga exploded, like her way of coping was to pretend she was an authority on fame and that it was her assignment that was like essentially a millennial coping mechanism I think totally whereas chapel's coping mechanism is very very gen z it seems where she's just like going to be authentically a little depressed about it.
You are losing something.

You get on the mic now, everyone

listens to what you say, whereas

just six months ago,

you could see her at

Skokie Pride and she could say whatever the fuck

and it would be whatever, but now it's

she's

probably going to win Best New Artist at the Grammys.

Is Skokie Pride real?

It should be. Every city should have a Pride.
Including Skokie. I agree.
I got to talk to her for Interview Magazine, and she is just working through it. And what she kept saying was, which I think is so, this this is what's gaga to me is that she kept saying,

I am just doing what I've always done.

And I'm like,

yes,

yes,

you have.

And I think,

I think she knows the roadmap for her,

which is just to like extrapolate based on the way she's done things,

which has been so gradually like magnetizing. And now it's like this groundswell where everyone kind of is obsessed with her.
And I just remember like the days before a hot to go came out and she was just posting Tik TOKs from her little bedroom. And it was like, just like, just so like, I don't give a shit.
Like this is like, this is like not anything a pop star would have done 10 years ago and I love that there's this new model and like the proxy war between Sabrina and Chappell is done like everyone like stand down like Sabrina Carpeting Good Luck Babe is so good it was so good I'm obsessed with that cover it was so good I, Sabrina's a really talented singer. And I mean, it's a totally different sound than Chappell, but really, just she has a great technique.
She's a great communicator. I love her lyrics.
I mean, her stuff reminds me of like Dolly Parton. I feel like I keep saying that.
I said that to do it too, but it's no,

please,

please,

please like really throws it back for me in a,

in a way that I'm like,

I bet,

you know,

Dolly would be interested in,

proud of.

To me,

it's giving Judy sill.

The way she sings motherfucker is Judy sill.

Like from motherfucker.

Motherfucker. Yeah.
That's a moment in history right there. That's a moment in culture.
Motherfucker is a moment in culture. And you know, I see, she's kind of uniting gays too.
I'm going to say it. I see some people hedging on chapel in a way where I'm like, why are you hedging on chapel? You love chapel.
Put your hands up. It's a rollerco, babe.
Well, she's reached the point now where she will invite contrarianism. That's it.

God, can you imagine? That's got to be what fucks her up. Of course.
It's like, wow,

she's gotten to the point now where they're going to start talking about me like I'm not a person.

So confusing sometimes. So confusing sometimes.
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Should we do I Don't Think So, Honey? Let's do I don't think so, honey. Because mine is actually chapel related.
Oh. This is our 60 second segment where we sort of, you know, pop off in something in culture.
I'm actually going to turn this inward. Okay.
It's chapel related, but it's introspective. Yeah.
Amazing. Well, this is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey.
and his time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, the collaborative decision to not give Chapel Roan's Good Luck, Babe, best bridge of the year at the Las Coltriasis Culture Awards.
We gave it to Treacherous by Taylor Swift, a bridge that has been celebrated now for years and years and years and years. And I do have to say, while I love that bridge and I think it's a deserving winner in any other year, Good Luck Babe is the bridge of the year.
Period. Point blank.
There is no better bridge that has been released than Good Luck Babe. And I feel like maybe we thought we were giving Chapa a little too much and naming all these categories after her.
She won Album of the Year for the second year in a row. Last year, she won.
We didn't even know what the album was called. It didn't exist yet.
And she still won album of the year. So she's an album of the year one or twice for the same thing.
Maybe we thought we couldn't also give her bridge of the year for good luck, babe. Well, what I want to say is at the time I thought, am I going to regret this later? And I wish I could say back to me, I told you so.
Because there is no better bridge and chapel. It's an apology from us because I don't think so, honey.
And that's one minute I co-assigned that apology and I also want to put out there that Good Luck Babe has is going to be nominated for best pre-chorus. Yeah.
That is a fucking great pre-chorus.

Yeah.

I don't wanna fall in love.

I don't wanna go in love.

I don't wanna be in love. I don't wanna go in love.

It's the perfect thing that launches you into the,

it's so propelling.

It's so like,

it's exactly what a pre-chorus should do,

should be,

which is to just fucking drive you. A step up.
Yep. It's the launch of the rollercoaster.
That's what it is. By the way, I know you have to leave soon, but tell them you're going to be late because I have to touch on Dark Universe.
Do you want to do your I Don't Think Sony first? Let's touch on Dark. Well, yeah, I'll my I don't think so many on Dark Universe.
You're going to do it on Dark Universe? It's about Dark Universe, but it's so stupid, but you've given me something. You've given me fodder.
Here. I'm doing the Gen Z hand.
Wait, Becca, get a picture of this. Did you get it? Did you get it? Okay, got it.
That's going to be... This actually was a little bit of a titillating episode.
Okay, wait. I'm so shook.
This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey about something that's been really saving my life and I'm looking forward to. I don't know what this is going to be.
Bowen Yang's time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Me thinking that the steakhouse in Dark Universe was called Dark Steakhouse, but it is called Dosteakhouse. I thought that these fucking creative geniuses at Universal who are putting together Dark Universe, who are rolling this out like a fucking, like nothing we've ever seen before.
The hype is unlike anything I've ever felt before. but I did have to go record scratch when they talked about the restaurant called Dot Steakhouse, but I thought it was going to be called Dark Steakhouse.
And I went, if that's what it's called, then I am posted up at Dark Steakhouse every fucking night because that's the funniest shit I've ever heard. I'm petitioning for them to change it to

please call it Dark Steakhouse for me. Please.
I will go in. I will invest money.
I want to go. I want to eat at a restaurant called Dark Steakhouse.
Yes, they will be serving steaks on steaks because there will be what? Vampires who someone invited in. Oh, brother.
That's one minute. Oh, my God.
So the restaurant is called Das Steakhouse. And it's not called Dark Steakhouse.
But I do think it would be so funny if Epic Universe opened Dark Universe with Dark Steakhouse. Like, that would be so slay.
Imagination on two. What are they? Some June month fags.
Unbelievable. June month.
Unimaginative. June month.
And then like, they'd be like, oh, sorry, when we named it, we were all on ketamine. Like, what are you? Okay.
It's called Das Steakhouse. It will be run by the familiars of vampires.
Okay. So the familiars, I see.
If you're not like me watching all this content and passing it on to Bowen Yang, literally. And do you watch the stuff that I send you? Of course I do.
I watched all the, I watched, oh bitch, don't even, I watched the entire Jenny Nicholson Star Wars hotel takedown. So good, right? I'm obsessed with her.
Yeah, she's terrific. She's Chapel-ronish of, she's Chapel-ron of YouTube because it's like drag.
She'll show up in like so many different looks. Like, and I'm just like, oh, I love it.
She has so many looks. She has a giant plushes just in the background sitting there while she's fucked, while she's in a fucking first order costume, like talking about how this hotel fucking sucks.
I was like, this is my girl. I really want to know like what she feels about the rollout of the epic universe stuff because okay, so basically my most anticipated land and this will shock people because I'm not a horror person, but I am like a classic movie person and these kinds of horror movies I can do.
So this is classic monsters. It's the dark universe.
This is your Wolfman, your Frankenstein, your Dracula, your bride of Frankenstein, your brides of Dracula, your mummy, your creature from the black lagoon, et cetera. So basically this is going to be a whole land in Epic universe and it is going to tear down it is gonna tear down they're basically elevating the concept of the haunted house and blowing it the fuck out so people have been on the forbidden journey ride the harry potter forbidden journey ride you know you sit in those chairs and they're like floating chairs the benches they're do they're giving that but there's going to be no note ceiling.
So it's going to be like, there's going to be like 360 wraparound screens and up to 15 state-of-the-art animatronic figures that tell this like story, which is that Victoria Frankenstein, who's the great, great granddaughter of Mr. Frankenstein, which by the way, go off Dr.
Franken Frankenstein has decided to resume the family name, capture the monsters and do a demo of how she's able to control them. Villain.
Wouldn't you know it? Something goes wrong. Okay.
We did not learn from the original Frankenstein that, you know, we are not meant to control all nature. Man is not meant to control nature and havoc is going to ensue and basically what they're describing this as is so so so in a word cunty because not only is it's so julia and not only is victoria frankenstein popping off but then across the way there's a curse of the werewolf roller coaster with a mystic named mal Malerva, who warns us that we, she warns us that we bear the curse of the werewolf.
No. And then we speed off into the woods and the werewolf tries to, you guessed it, eat, get us, to eat us.
And so this is just, this is women slaying or flopping with slay results all over this land.

And that's life.

I love it.

There is Doss Steakhouse.

There's a little makeup parlor where you can have monster makeup put on and you can go back out into the park.

Not for me, but for someone else.

And then finally, there is a Burning Blade Tavern, which if you're fans of the original Frankenstein, you know of the windmill that burst into flame.

That's going to be in the park and it's a full on bar. Okay.
So this is sort of where I completely shut the rest of my life off and just only focus on this on YouTube. My landing page is so embarrassing.
I'm really nerdy about it, but it is making my life better on a day-to-day basis while I sit here in my STX windbreaker in my air conditioning. I'm so happy for you.
I gleefully pass it on to you too. I get so excited about showing you this stuff and I receive it.
This is, this is a thing that people are talking about now. Um, sunlight guilt.
Oh yeah. Go into, go into this.
I implicitly know what it is. It's like people in Vancouver feel it all the time because they only get a small window of sunny days here.
And they really make the most out of it. And I really love that culture.
Like these are people who are go-getters. We're active, activated, but sunshine guilt, sunlight guilt.
It's like, well, the day's so nice outside. I guess we have to go and like gallivant.
Well, you don't. You don't have to do anything ever just because the weather is a certain way.
I mean, I completely understand. It's a form of FOMO, I guess, right? It's a form of FOMO, but like, here's how I know that I'm like not, I'm not like other girls.
Go on. All these gays posting from Central Park, from like Sheep's Meadow or whatever, I'm like, couldn't be me.
Yeah. You know, it's hard for me to imagine going out and laying out in the park.
In the words of Vanessa Hudgens, I respect it, but I don't know that I would ever engage in that. And maybe something's wrong with me, but that is like, Sheaf's Meadow is Sunshine Guild Central.
Well, I just feel like there's nowhere to get relief from how hot it's going to be. You know what I mean? Like it's not going to the beach, hanging out by the pool or something where you can kind of dip in, dip out, whatever.
It's like, if you're going to the park or or something like that, it's like you're laying on that towel and I hope you're able to adjust to whatever the situation presents itself because that is the situation. But here's what I'm doing, and I'm dead ass about this.
I'm going to the library this summer because guess what they have? Cooling stations. They literally, there is room room in the budget which is being slashed to fucking nothing by eric adams yeah he's fucking awful and has been fucking awful and i'm so happy that there's like to see the uprising against them because it's been time it's god this guy sucks like the the libraries have cooling stations i just got my brooklyn public library card there's a new one, um, in Brooklyn Heights, but not a new one, but it's just, it just, they renovated it.
It's an old church. It is chic as hell.
I'm going there. I'm browsing all the DVDs.
Oh my God. I need to talk to you about James Seamus who co-wrote the original wedding banquet with Ang Lee is also co-wrote, has also co-written the remake with Andrew on.
on um he finally came to set this week and so lovely and we went to dinner and he has this whole treatise on how streamers are basically ruining culture all culture it's like i just i have to get into this with you like in person and i will i will bring this to lost culture but this is like our culture is ruined because all of our culture is like browsing below the fold, right? It's like you go on the landing page, you see the title, and if that doesn't appeal to you, you go, let me go down. And the further down you go, the more this feeling sets in of, well, fuck, I don't like any of this shit.
Oh my God, that is really astute observation. I think about that all the time.
That all of our culture it's when you shop online it's that exact experience the further down you go you're like well none of this none of this is good it's when you're on grinder it's when you're on dating apps it's when you're on any kind of thing where something is spotify spotify it's like well something must be wrong with me because i don't like any of this. And then it is.
I almost had a breakdown the other day on Spotify for this very reason, because I was like, I need to find a new song. And then I was like, oh my God, I can't.
I can't because it's like literally it's like. Everyone's going through it.
And I say this with all love, but like I sometimes I feel like I go on YouTube and I see what they give me and it's all just like clips of Bravo. Like what happened with Lindsay and Carl or the dark universe thing? And then I'm like, I'm looking at it and I'm like, think about me.
I mean, I know. And it's just like it's, it becomes like a soup circle of like the same little micro culture where I'm like, who am I? And then I read a book and I actually have been reading a book that you suggested.
Mean Boys. Mean Boys by Jeffrey Mack.
I'm reading Martyr by Kabe Akbar. So good.
You would love it. I think you would really love this book too.

Actually, you know what?

I have that book.

They sent it to us, didn't they?

Yeah, I think they did.

Somebody sent that to us.

Somebody sent it to me.

I was like, who sent me this?

And then like, I let the galley sit on my shelf.

Flop, flop behavior on my part.

And then it came out and everyone is obsessed with it.

Seth Meyers loves this book.

Best vibe, hands down.

And I read it and I was just like, oh, this fucking rules. This is exactly my shit.
You would love it. Reading is what? Fundamental.
The library is where it's at. The vibes are immaculate.
I go there. I'm like, this was college for me.
Speaking of college, would wake up, go. I was talking to Jaredared about this he would go to the library of columbia i would just go wake up autopilot walk walk to bops to spend nine hours there i am all for the library no cuts to libraries please donate to any library in your area you won't regret it like sarah desca parker did this whole like PSA audit that I really found cool.
Like she was like, it's amazing. Like that honor system, like you have all these books, they're free.
They're all yours as long as you bring them back. There's something beautiful about that whole idea.
I'm like, yeah, she's right. Anyway.
I know there are some books I took out when I was a little

kid that never got returned

I don't think I'll ever get over it

no no no

that's the sunlight guilt for me

let it go that's not sunlight guilt

it's not at all but I feel similar

shame

I feel like I just tapped someone on Grindr

I feel so ashamed

what's the title of app I don't think we landed on one

whack it out

yes period

I'll see you next time. I feel like I just tapped someone on Grindr.
I feel so ashamed. What's the title of app? I don't think we landed on one.
Work it out on the remix. Yes.
Period. Okay, I do have to go.
He has to go. So guys, we end every episode with a song.
Go! It's so confusing sometimes to be a girl. Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go.
Whenever anyone is messing with you, just say, girl. It feels so good.
It feels amazing. We're ending this episode feeling so good.
Bye. Bye.
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