"Sponge" (w/ Hannah Einbinder)

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Speaker 2 you can have a short trip that's awful or a long trip that's great.

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Speaker 2 Insane. And we put ourselves up there and we raise our hands and volunteer to sing.
Difficult material. Difficult material.
By the time this episode releases, the culture awards will have happened.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Our guests will have

Speaker 2 stormed the stage. Storm the stage.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you will be able to judge in

Speaker 2 posterity.

Speaker 2 Yeah, posterity. Yeah, posterity.
It's like, you know what? This really bothers some people when you say looking back in retrospect.

Speaker 2 It's like you're sort of double dipping. ATM machine.
But sometimes you have to keep reminding yourselves in a sentence what you're saying. Like looking back in retrospect, I can remember.

Speaker 2 It's like, this is all asked and answered, but it doesn't hurt to keep letting the audience know what you mean. That's language.
That's language.

Speaker 2 Can we rail against people who say that we say say like too much? I see what you're doing. It's not going to work.
We see what you're doing.

Speaker 2 And it's giving Gen X non-derogatory, but it is giving Gen X. I think that when sometimes when you say like in a sentence, it gives the other words power and context.
And no one's talking about it.

Speaker 2 Every language has filler words. One language we do speak is pop culture.

Speaker 2 Now, something has hit the headlines, and we actually laughed about it for about seven or eight minutes, which is a long time to laugh about one single news item in the car just now, but it was a really good one.

Speaker 2 And that was that Yolanda Saldivar, the, I guess, you know, murderer of Selena, has come out and said that when she gets released from her.

Speaker 2 When she gets paroled in 2025, she would love to work with Shakira. She wants to work with Shakira.
That's like where she sees her next move. And then someone, very funny,

Speaker 2 quote, tweeted, quote, posted, girl, you're not working with anybody when you're out.

Speaker 2 With a parole hit, we're jumping you.

Speaker 2 What's not clicking? What's not clicking? The what's what's not clicking was really an important part of it. Are we allowed to jump Yolanda?

Speaker 2 I'm not going to jump Yolanda, but I'm certainly not going to, I'm not going to say to anyone out there that's going to jump Yolanda upon her, you know, freedom.

Speaker 2 Some people, you know, Yolanda

Speaker 2 did a bad thing and she is currently serving time for that thing. And that's a rule of culture.
That's rule of culture number 13.

Speaker 2 Yolanda did a bad thing and she is currently serving time for that thing.

Speaker 2 That's the rule. That's actually the rule.
And Yolanda, I would prefer if Yolanda stays locked up. Yeah, I don't want to talk about parole when it comes to Yolanda.

Speaker 2 I don't want to talk about parole when it comes to Yolanda. Because then I think,

Speaker 2 then I think about the prison system at large and it depresses me. It's so depressing.
So depression. I don't want to think about anything depressing.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, I want to live in a world of joy, happiness, and more. More and more.
Like, I constantly am waking up in the morning and I think, how can I make this a wonderful day? That encompasses joy.

Speaker 2 That encompasses joy. Joy, what, and more?

Speaker 2 Joy, laughter, and more.

Speaker 2 Joy, I think, what did I just say joy laughter and more our brains are on two but we're not complaining no well wait what won the most bow and yang coated award oh it wasn't mad tv it was tomato soap tomato soap tomato soap so i suggested that what should win the award for most bowen yen most bow and yang coded award was mad tv i thought that would be humorous

Speaker 2 you know the humorous joke in the show and bowen got a little shy and he said no it should be tomato leaves i don't disagree I would have loved to have Matt TV be most bonien-coated.

Speaker 2 I just think what is most bonier-coated is still

Speaker 2 Lueve scented. It's not just such a lueve anymore.
A lot of the girls are doing tomato-scented soaps. Do you think it's because of this podcast? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 I think there was people did their market research and here I was thinking we were tastemaking. No, no, never.

Speaker 2 Listen, I do want to say I'm happy that my most Matt Rogers coded it was the expression, not for nothing. Not for nothing.
I think that was really good. And not for nothing,

Speaker 2 this episode

Speaker 2 this is long overdue this well it's award-winning it's award winning we've just we've just gotten news that this episode has already won awards it's in the front runner for our glad award for glad oh my god like we just want to thank all of our lgbtq plus supporters out there you know who you are and i think we've picked a true representative of the queer community today to be on the podcast well i was gonna say earlier that this is someone who encompasses joy laughter and more joy laughter and more.

Speaker 2 I don't think about it, it's the opposite of me thinking about the prison system. I think about this person and I feel expansive.
I feel joyful. I feel the opposite of depressed.

Speaker 2 I don't think of prison at all when I think. No.
I feel like, in fact, my shackles are off. Yes.
Yeah. This person

Speaker 2 was out with us into the dawn hours. of the SNL finale.
And can I say something? Well, of course, it being an arcade, there was, of course, a game where you kill Zombie

Speaker 2 with with a real gun.

Speaker 2 And the way I saw her use the gun, maybe she should be in prison. Hey.

Speaker 2 Lock her up. Let her speak.
Let's bring her in.

Speaker 2 Hold on. Before we bring her in.
Yeah. She's the star of hacks.
Have some respect. Just finished its incredible third season.
Yep.

Speaker 2 And her special, Everything Must Go, comes out June 13th on HBO. It's a big moment in the life of our guest.
Can I say right now, Bowen Yang, do it again. Do that again.

Speaker 2 Bowen Yang has his arm on my shoulder, and it is a grip. And if you don't know,

Speaker 2 go in tight on that. Go in tight on this.

Speaker 2 Look how intense the grip he has on me. Bowen Yang has me, he's choking me out through my shoulder.

Speaker 2 Everything must go. The bony shoulder.
That was a fun joke from I Love That For You. Like where they showed the best part of a woman, the bony shoulder.
That's really funny.

Speaker 2 But that show got canceled. But it's coming back for season four as hacks.

Speaker 2 And we really want to see what happens next because it's a cliffhanger, emotional cliffhanger, the best kind of cliffhanger. Oh, but it's it gets flipped at the end.

Speaker 2 The first time I saw our guest, I pointed to her and out loud to myself, I said star quality, and I've been saying it to this day.

Speaker 2 We will continue to say, We will continue to say, Everyone, please welcome into your ears Hannah Einbinder. Are you already bursting out? Don't cry.
You're crying. Don't cry.
This is Joy.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Oh my God.
No, these are real tears.

Speaker 2 Why would you have her cry in front of us? What do we do? I'm sorry. This is so cringe.
No, don't cry. I really love you, guys.

Speaker 2 And now, you know, we love you. We've loved you all along.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. It's too early for this.
I have to tell you, this is true. Katie is a good one.
It is really. I'm so sorry.
We love you. This is iconic.
You guys.

Speaker 2 Truly, a film started. This is unreal.
What's happening is you see it.

Speaker 2 It's like, for me, it's like John, Paul, Ringo, George, Matt, Bowen.

Speaker 2 No, because genuinely.

Speaker 2 I like won a radio contest to be here.

Speaker 2 I am a fan. I literally, like,

Speaker 2 I feel like it's so embarrassing you haven't been on. It's crazy.
That's a big, big, big overstory. No, don't be worried.

Speaker 2 We're so embarrassed. Okay, I'm just saying.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Was that, did that feel like a release of other things that like

Speaker 2 what's going on? No, I genuinely

Speaker 2 like I listen to every episode and I okay, here I go. Yeah, I was gonna say it.
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 It's like

Speaker 2 I just appreciate your guys' love and I appreciate you guys sharing it with us.

Speaker 2 Did you see the way he was grasping my shoulder?

Speaker 2 You felt how hard it was. That's where the tears started.
It's happening again.

Speaker 2 Look,

Speaker 2 so like genuinely, I appreciate you guys sharing your love with us.

Speaker 2 And also, like, I have, you you know like you i maybe you guys have this experience where like you listen to podcasts when you are alone and you're like i'm not alone

Speaker 2 oh god

Speaker 2 is this a pandemic thing Did it happen during the pandemic? Totally. Totally.
Totally. That's why I feel this way when I see Parvity Shallow.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 It can translate to film and television as well. I want people to know that.
It can. I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 I really like, it's like, bowls me over that you say that because legitimately, I do remember going to Just for Laughs and I saw, it was not the new faces set that you did, but it was one in a smaller space.

Speaker 2 The one with all the skulls. The one with, yeah, it was bizarre.

Speaker 2 There are these satellite shows that happen around the big showcase events. I just remember like you going up there and you were, everyone was amazing, but like you couldn't forget you.

Speaker 2 And it's like, it is, it's like an intangible that you have. It was like, well, I of course remember your bit with the mics then, which I thought was truly brilliant.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I've never seen this before. But like, you really are.

Speaker 2 It's just like, I mean, it's so unsurprising to see that you've become this like star and to catch you in this moment is so great i was so happy that you could come in this week and like it has to be a feeling like a very big moment like you know how it feels when like you're having like that thing like this finale came out everyone's so emphatic about it now the special you're having a moment boo thank you it does feel really good it feels really warm i am new to being able to receive it as well which is so nice so you know because it kind of bounces off or it sticks for five or 15 minutes and then it leaves the body, of course.

Speaker 2 But now you're feeling like it's

Speaker 2 keeping a bit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's really nice. What do you think is the instinct to want to toss that off when someone is like, hey, I see you and what you're doing is fucking great.

Speaker 2 Like, what do you think it is that makes you want to respond in a way where it's like, no, because I do get that. I mean, I think it's just low self-esteem and the inability.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's a tossing off so much as it is an inability to grasp it at all.

Speaker 2 You know, I think like it's just, you know, you cannot, you have to have like that feeling in yourself first.

Speaker 2 It's so cliche, but it feels like I also think it's like conditioned in comedians who are just so like sharks, like just, you're just swimming around and then after you've eaten, you're hungry again.

Speaker 2 And it's like every set is like, okay, that was good. And then you're only as good as your last set.

Speaker 2 And it's like this thing of like, you're constantly having to reevaluate your worth and you're constantly being told externally whether you're doing well or not. Yes, 100%.

Speaker 2 Like, and sometimes you could get three different things in one night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hannah, Hannah and Tim Heidecker witnessed me spiraling at the SNL finale. Oh my God.
Oh, really?

Speaker 2 No, because my fucking update got cut. Oh,

Speaker 2 which, by the way, and it's like the costume was so, like, it was so grand.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 for you to be in that drag and it getting cut. And I dissociated.
And then I was in pan cans. And then you and Tim came.
And my brain was like, wait, like, that's a friend.

Speaker 2 And then I like, that was my body not receiving this like stimulus of like, you should be happy that this is happening now but you are so upset and sad and furious i cannot tell you how much i understood in the moment and now of course like you're in this thing i had never seen the show in that capacity before it is crazy in like a backstage way yeah yeah yeah oh my god it is my god that is psychotic

Speaker 2 that's the thing that people don't get is like when things get cut they get cut and you're in the costume you're in the costume or the prosthetic or the whatever yes like oh my god you're just standing there and it's like okay now like you have no time to process.

Speaker 2 Like, that is fucked up. That is fucked up.
Yeah. It was an update that got cut during air, which I'm telling y'all doesn't happen.
And the fact that it happened was what was upsetting. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. It's okay.
We turned to you and you broke down. Bowen felt like he could say this here with you.

Speaker 2 And I think that is kind of nice about like seeing other comedians in these spots where you never really fucking saw yourself. Like, I don't know if you, and you should answer this question.

Speaker 2 Did you ever see yourself leading a dramedy? Like, that really does, because it's obviously a hilarious show, but like, you are doing some stuff on there. You are pulling big, heavy emotional bags.

Speaker 2 And you look across the table, and guess who it is? It's the legend. It's JS.
And it's JS. And I think we've all had versions of this where you're like, what the fuck am I doing here?

Speaker 2 I'm supposed to be at Union Hall for like the 15th time in a week.

Speaker 2 And I'm paying them to let me go. Exactly.
Like, I'm used to, I'm used to. I'm eating the poutine at Union Hall before I go and fart on stage.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 literally, and that was the whole bit was my fart. Like, and like, they're supposed to pay me in two Brooklyn lagers after we perform Sluck.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, it's, and then all of a sudden you're there with the legend. Did you ever see that for yourself? Was it comedy ever a means to an end to acting for you?

Speaker 2 Or is this like something that has happened? It is in every possible conceivable way something that has happened. I never once even thought about this being my life or path.
I had no, I, I,

Speaker 2 I, I mean, I was in the fucking, I, you know, I just, it was not,

Speaker 2 so I didn't, yeah, I didn't, I saw you doing the stand-up. I was like, I know what she does is stand up.
And then all of a sudden you get up there and you're doing the thing with JS.

Speaker 2 And I'm going, what did you get? You're taking a risk, Paul Jen and Lucia. How did you know I could have done like, but how did they know?

Speaker 2 I'm like, the audition scenes that I did, yes, there was, there were some that were serious, but like, I never cried or anything like that. Like, how could they have known?

Speaker 2 It was a big, I mean, I see it as a big gamble on their part. I'm glad they rolled the dice.
Yeah, 100%. But, like,

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, I never, I never thought that I would do this at all.

Speaker 2 And it has been such a gift because, as you know, like solo performance is very isolating and you almost don't know how isolating it is until you do it in a group.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I am very much, I was just, you know, stand-up comedian vibes featuring touring road.com.

Speaker 2 And now it's like totally different and I love acting. It has become a deep, deep love of mine.
But I would say, yeah, stand-up is definitely my first love and it was what I hoped to do.

Speaker 2 It just, you know, hacks has totally made being a stand-up comedian in the capacity that I have always wanted single-handedly made it possible.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, I would be at the fucking Holiday and Express and goddamn wherever the fuck, you know, without. Well, that's a really good one.
That's a good goddamn

Speaker 2 thing. They actually, they have good breakfast.
It's really good. And the coffee's, coffee's, well, too hot, but it's hot.
Give it some time. Give it some time.
They're cool.

Speaker 2 I think it's very special that Sandy Hoenick directed this special.

Speaker 2 I mean, just the best. My bestie.
Your bestie, but this is like, this is the thing that maybe takes it out of an isolating experience, which is

Speaker 2 bring a friend in, collaboration on it,

Speaker 2 you collaborate on it. A hundred percent.
Like Sandy and I were like, I mean, we've just always been like, dude, you know, I'd be sick, dude. Do you know I'd be sick?

Speaker 2 Like back and forth over the years. Like if I ever got to do a special, even when it was like so far off into the future, like we'd be like stoned in the backyard, like

Speaker 2 arranging sticks and leaves, like what the stage would look like.

Speaker 2 Like legit, like, and also like, you know, with the special, we really wanted it to feel filmic and beautiful and create a certain aesthetic and reference various like. iconic film performances.

Speaker 2 And it just was this thing where like we had total creative synergy on this, like in the post process, like every single day, like literally she would be behind me and we'd be looking at the edit and we'd be trying to tell our editor like where we want to cut and we'd clap in unison and it would be like, I'd turn back because we're just like on the same clock.

Speaker 2 When it's two people,

Speaker 2 when two consciousnesses come, you form a mind, you create a mind. Totally.
And she's a comedian as well, obviously. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So she and I would, she would open for me on the road sometimes and like she's seen my hour and its various iterations.

Speaker 2 And so she really knew the material and she has the ability in the live performance to go, now, like, you know, all that stuff, because she is so in it with me.

Speaker 2 And we just laugh and laugh and laugh and go, what would be the most gorgeous thing? And then we do that.

Speaker 2 It's awesome. I just feel like she is so limitless in terms of her talent.
I mean, like,

Speaker 2 I just get so excited about Sandy all the time. I get excited about Sandy on screen.
I get excited about what she does with photo. I get excited about this, like her writing.

Speaker 2 Like, I would imagine that it's not just about her being so talented in terms of knowing what she wants, knowing what you want, but also her being really gifted at being able to hold space for you as someone who I'm gauging is like very emotional.

Speaker 2 Like, you know what I mean? Like it matters a lot. I know that they always say, like, and always say, you always say, don't take yourself so seriously.
Don't take yourself so seriously.

Speaker 2 And we get to a certain place because we've followed that advice. And then all of a sudden you're forced to.
And it's like, I don't know how to do this.

Speaker 2 So just turning around and looking and seeing someone that you really trust that's like, we're figuring it out together. I'm here.
I'm not going to let you look stupid.

Speaker 2 If you look stupid, we're both going to look stupid. So let's fucking go for it and do the thing that we know we can do.

Speaker 2 It's just you believe it because that person has never.

Speaker 2 given you like reason to doubt them. Yeah.
And I'm literally pointing at him because that's who it is for me. 100%.
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 2 Like you guys know the specific type of synergy that occurs when you are creating something with someone you really love, who really knows you. And you do create one mind.

Speaker 2 That is really, that is as good as it gets. Like

Speaker 2 you knowing the psychic love.

Speaker 2 Did you feel like

Speaker 2 when you did the special, like you were able to walk away and be like, I did it. I feel like I did it the best I fucking could.
Well, okay, I have a question for you. Did you do two shows?

Speaker 2 Did you do one? I did two right after another. And because it was singing, I felt really scared.

Speaker 2 And then once it was done, I was like, okay, thank god we did two right back to back because it was fine in the edit how much did you use of like was it split we went like song by song if i thought i gave a better performance in the one i just used the whole take of that song and then there was some creative stuff but because it's music it's a little different totally totally like but yes we used a lot of both a lot of both and sometimes there was a little vanity in it like all right

Speaker 2 no that was fair that's valid what about you what was the distribution um so i and this definitely also speaks to the like it's good to have someone there who knows you and who can be like holding space yes I used majority late show because I think just generally, like

Speaker 2 the first show is filled with the people who bought tickets early. They were there on time.
They lined up at 5 p.m.

Speaker 2 They are there for the early show. They're like just applause after every, you know, after every joke where I'm going like, too much.

Speaker 2 Too much.

Speaker 2 You're excited to see me. Yeah.
But was that good? Yeah. Like I definitely ended up using more of the late show.

Speaker 2 And I was in a place after the early show and people constantly say this to me and I they have always said this to me and I am happy that this is the case, but it is that like, you know, I'll feel a certain way after a set and people go, are you, are you, are you serious?

Speaker 2 You look so confident because my like, if you will persona is like a very heightened version of myself. It is that confident, like swaggy, whatever.

Speaker 2 And so like the first performance, like, I want to end a cute sorry

Speaker 2 while you were up there. I literally, I know what it's going to be after I say good evening, the first thing.

Speaker 2 And it's like, they were warm and they were there, but like, there was it lacked the crowd, no shade, thank you for the support. They lacked a sexuality.
I hear what I mean.

Speaker 2 I want people to have, be a little licked up. I want a couple drinks in.
Like, you know what I mean? I want them loose.

Speaker 2 And so the first show was giving, you know, there was a platonic energy in the crowd. No problem.
That's a beautiful energy, too.

Speaker 2 Not when you're committing it to film. That's right.
That's right. That's right.
So it did end up being like, you know, first show, I was like, like, I genuinely was in the back going, like, maybe,

Speaker 2 maybe stand-up isn't

Speaker 2 meant to be

Speaker 2 the special. Maybe, maybe it's all for naught.
Maybe, maybe we shouldn't have. It was a fool's errand.
No. I should stay alive.
I should stay on the road.

Speaker 2 And then the second show, I was like, I am a gall.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you were able to exist in both those things. So I wonder, like when you were younger, like when you were like first starting out, were you someone that was like,

Speaker 2 I can do this because I know I can do it? Or were you someone that was like, I'm being trepidatious and I'm going to prove it to myself?

Speaker 2 I mean, it definitely was like show to show, mic to mic, performance to performance, like oscillating. But I definitely think that

Speaker 2 I quickly learned that like, yeah, we go up at the open mic with things that we think are like, I think this is as good as and and all my other good shit. And they just are telling you no.

Speaker 2 They are telling you no. No problem.
And it's like agree to disagree, but also like audience is king. Like they actually ultimately.
They're never wrong. They're never wrong.
And they decide. So

Speaker 2 and they decide and I'm glad, which is so. Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We talk about it. I love talking about that.
Okay, so I have, like, this is an analogy, I guess.

Speaker 2 It's like, doctors performing surgery for a crowd, like,

Speaker 2 have them weigh in?

Speaker 2 It's like, wait, should I'm, I'm the expert, actually, you know what I mean? Like, sometimes I do feel that in my jadedness where I'm like, yeah, wait, but it's you, I'm, it's, I'm the one.

Speaker 2 And it's, I know that isn't the case. And ultimately, like, they do win every time.
And thank you

Speaker 2 to the audience, but sometimes it's frustrating.

Speaker 2 This is a thing that I like about working

Speaker 2 is that

Speaker 2 the people who run it have always abided by this notion notion of the audience is always right. They know better than we do.
Like, it doesn't matter what I,

Speaker 2 let's say, Lorne Michaels thinks like is the best piece of comedy. They are the arbiters in every situation.

Speaker 2 No exceptions. And like, that is, I think, for me, what's getting a lot of like

Speaker 2 getting in the way of like this generational divide in terms of like what comedy is. It's like, it's these comedians who are like, oh, like the audiences have changed and they're not

Speaker 2 wrong and they're wrong now.

Speaker 2 No, it's it's just that they've they've always been right they were right back in the day they're right now it's you who's changed it's you who's changed or it's you who hasn't not changed right right right right

Speaker 2 you are the fixed point and maybe that's the problem and like I think this is a good thing for everyone to have personally yeah totally like is just this

Speaker 2 this way of like filling in the container yeah and you hold like look as a performer and as someone who gets on stage like you have this feeling of like

Speaker 2 I had faith in this thing. I believed in this thing and this joke, whatever it may be.
But yeah, like at the end of the day, it really, it's just not up to you. And that's like fine.

Speaker 2 That's what it is.

Speaker 2 And ultimately, like you do get that feedback, especially when you tour, like you do get that feedback across the board.

Speaker 2 It's really rare that it's like, oh, it didn't work everywhere and then it worked here. Like it's very rare.
And then if it does, it's like, you can't trust that.

Speaker 2 You have to trust the failure, actually. And you're also not going to win in litigation against the audience.
No. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like afterwards, it's, it is over.

Speaker 2 It should live and die there. And there should be something to be learned from that.

Speaker 2 But it feels like, A, not only is this conversation that a lot of people are having about how like older comics from another generation and, you know, the icons that are like constantly railing against this, it kind of just feels like.

Speaker 2 This is not an interesting topic. And if you haven't discovered that you can't say anything funny about it now, move on.
I was like really happy about what Julia Louis Dreyfus said. I did see

Speaker 2 this.

Speaker 2 This quote that she said, it was in response to this idea of like kind of everyone of that male generation being like, you know, the audiences are fucked up.

Speaker 2 You know, Seinfeld says what he says, et cetera. And we've all heard odd nauseum from the usual suspects about how woke culture is killing comedy.

Speaker 2 But she was like, I feel like it's a huge red flag when we're so fixated on this.

Speaker 2 And she was like, what's really killing comedy and what's really killing content is the consolidation of wealth and power, which is in and of itself kind of a way to drag them.

Speaker 2 And not for nothing, not blowing, not like revealing anything here, but she knows wealth. I mean, like Julia Louis Dragon.
Yeah, she's like, totally. Like, she, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, it's like, she understands like how it all works and how it all moves. And to be in power in comedy, I mean, she's been one of the brand names of comedy since the 90s.

Speaker 2 So to look around and see everyone fixating on this thing and it's not getting funnier or more interesting from that vantage point.

Speaker 2 It's like, this is also a worthwhile opinion here, which is just like, maybe we need to look a little bit about how we are uncomfortable with the fact that we can't necessarily swing our dicks as big and as loud anymore.

Speaker 2 Maybe that's our issue.

Speaker 2 And it's like the greatest numbers, like what? Dave Chappelle's Netflix deal was like $60 million.

Speaker 2 And then they offer like our peers like 200K, all told, all production costs to pay every single person on the crew, every single fee, every single everything. And

Speaker 2 you're in the, in the red by the end of it. It's like, what's that? You guys don't have like, you know what I mean? It's, it's just crazy.
Like, we're all doing a comedy show on Saturday.

Speaker 2 Not that it like compares to like anything that like is out there in the sort of content mass, but like we are putting up a show where we're not necessarily like walking out with a big like

Speaker 2 payout. That's not what it's for.
Like all that is going into the show itself. And it's like

Speaker 2 totally fine for like an older generation of comedians to be like, whoa, culture is killing comedy.

Speaker 2 But it's like Seinfeld is taking a step further by saying, that's why comedies don't get made anymore. Right.

Speaker 2 He's like, that's why like comedy movies don't open or don't get like theatrical releases. Like he's like blaming it on that, which I think is like so interesting because

Speaker 2 there are means to make comedies every day. We are doing that on our little scale.
Like, and it's fun and it's, we think it's different than like what's out there. I don't know.

Speaker 2 Like, not, not that I'm like. No one knows why anything doesn't work.
Oh, no one either. It's like, again, it's just like the audience didn't want to see it.
And again, they're not wrong.

Speaker 2 And they're not wrong. Well, I think often sometimes people in power are inherently risk averse.
And so like our job is inherently, we are prone to risk. And so that is where the incongruency lies.

Speaker 2 And it's like they're just not, they need something that is so,

Speaker 2 so obvious in their minds to work in their minds to take a chance on it, which is just, I guess, like a product of, you know, the new streaming era and all of the growth that they need to create and this like ever rising level of monetary gain that needs to be in place.

Speaker 2 And it's like, just, you know, to Julia's point, that is what's happening. It's just like so shitty.

Speaker 2 Like there's so many like young comics that are like rising up that are like, and yet this dominating commentary is like, well, comedy's dead. Like comedy's not happening.

Speaker 2 This is what's killed comedy. It's like, look around.
Like there's, there's great comedians.

Speaker 2 And it does feel obviously very sexist and, you know, homophobic and racist and it's undertones and all those things but it's just like

Speaker 2 where are the jokes about this make it funny make it funny yeah you know dance for us monkey like you did in the beginning jerry seinfeld literally gave me my first job jerry seinfeld really

Speaker 2 gave me my first job i was in a sketch and comedians and cars getting caught oh my god are you serious

Speaker 2 and michael richards um it was the jimmy fallon episode and this was back in the day when it was on crackle crackle

Speaker 2 and like i came out and like played like a i don't know some version of a gay assistant who was like you know taking their press juice order and everything

Speaker 2 and but it was me michael richards and jerry seinfeld and it was the first time i had seen michael richards act or do anything since since his meltdown which i have to imagine does inform the way that a lot of people like seeing people get canceled in like an og way like notwithstanding whether they absolutely deserved it or not but it's just like huh this can happen i'm i have my guard up now and now is the opportunity for this groundswell of like how do we it's their problem it's their fault right right right i will say i love comedians in cars getting coffee but it is like so oh my god all of the like like jim carry and gary shanling and like no it's great all of the fucking incredible just like a window into like these people in a way that we've never seen them before you like cars i do like cars i like to drive i'm you like to drive on you love driving you love the open road i love driving yeah hacks freedom great show for you season two must have felt incredible yeah doing all that driving.

Speaker 2 Yeah, totally. In the bus, in the bus,

Speaker 2 sticking my head out like a dog. Oh, yeah.
Tongue flapping around the wind. Yeah, that's me.
That's you. Picture that, yeah.
I do picture it. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 First shots at the special area. Hannah driving.
Hannah driving. What do you listen to in the damn car? Ooh.

Speaker 2 A lot of classics. A lot of classics.
A lot of classic rock. America.
Bread. Hansen.
Bread. You know what I mean? Steely Dan.
You know what I mean? Fucking the Eagles, man. Okay.
I fucking

Speaker 2 know what I'm doing. I wonder if all that.

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Speaker 2 Those legends. I mean,

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Speaker 2 That's a big machine. Now, you got to come out here and workshop these jokes to find out the audience doesn't lie.
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Speaker 2 Maybe there's an absolute value to it. They keep coming back.
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Speaker 2 All right, so we're talking about getting on the open road.

Speaker 2 And when I think about you driving and listening to music, I think about you consuming culture, which leads me to sort of, I guess, the question, the big question of the podcast, which is, Hannah Einbinder, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 2 Here we go.

Speaker 2 Bring it on. Oh,

Speaker 2 my. Now I cried.
How dare you?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I saw Bring It On when I was far too young to see it. It would have been considered, quote unquote, inappropriate.
You got it. Can you see it? For a kid my age.
I would say I was seven.

Speaker 2 And, you know, they're talking BJ, they're talking F, they're talking, you know, several other leathers. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, so. Gayness in the air.
Gayness. 100%.
Well, that actually, you know, I would say that my liberal Los Angeles Jewish family was actually being like, okay, slay to that. But everybody.

Speaker 2 The bad words, et cetera. Yeah.
Eliza Dushku, that's not for my child. Crocked.
Yeah. Crocked.

Speaker 2 Crocked. Sorry, that's, that's one of my little, me and me and Sandy.
We actually crocked. C-R-O-C-K-T.
Crocked. Say that title.
Sell that one more time. C-R-O-C-K-T.
Crocked. Crocked.
Crock.

Speaker 2 We'll title that crocked. Crocked.

Speaker 2 Sandy feels okay with using that.

Speaker 2 Oh, if I may just sidebar, I have a couple more words that we've kind of

Speaker 2 been in the rotation.

Speaker 2 So if, and you guys can, please feel free to use this. No need to credit me whatsoever.
Like I just kind of want this to permeate the culture, if you will.

Speaker 2 So this word is sponge.

Speaker 2 Sponge would be said when you take something in so completely that it becomes you. Sponge.
So it's kind of that sponge. I'm sponge.
Sponge. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 If somebody says something that feels like it's almost church, you know, gospel,

Speaker 2 right?

Speaker 2 Sponge. I'm absorbing that.
Sponge. I like that.
You know what I mean? I like that. And then another one would be something is so left.
So left. And that's just when something's not right.

Speaker 2 When it's right. You know what I mean? Left.
Like

Speaker 2 it had done, bitten, gone left. Exactly.
I would say exactly. The discourse is left.
It's left. It's left.
The party.

Speaker 2 It was left.

Speaker 2 We had fun. And then like around like 145, it got kind of left.
No, like after Hannah shot down the zombies at the arcade, it just went left.

Speaker 2 It went left. There was no right after that.
Yeah, go say that. You really tore it up.
Yeah, that was kind of my first time on the, on the g yeah on the gun on the

Speaker 2 well you know it was but you know i i kind of got into my like mr and mrs smith fantasy a little bit were you picturing yourself yeah i was like i was angelina in that moment there you go it was kind of that i i do want a hannah einbinder movie in which

Speaker 2 not to glorify this but in which she holds a gun i'm ready to do that I'll be honest with you. I'm ready to do action because you should.
As aforementioned, and I will circle back.

Speaker 2 I was a competitive cheerleader for years and so I am agile. So let's go back to bring it on.

Speaker 2 Okay, so

Speaker 2 you saw it at seven. Title of that

Speaker 2 phlematic sound.

Speaker 2 So I saw bring it on at like seven or eight and I said, this is my life now.

Speaker 2 So I

Speaker 2 from the first year from I'm sexy, I'm cute. I'm popular to boot, like from that first fucking.
I'm Vivid Aurora.

Speaker 2 Wait, I'm sexy. I'm cute.
I'm popular to boot. I'm bitch and great parent.
The boys all love to stare. I'm wanted.
I'm hot. I'm everything.
You're not. I smile.
I'm cool. I dominate this school.

Speaker 2 Am I just

Speaker 2 want to touch my chest? I'm rocking. I smile.
And anything I'm vile. I smile.
I jump. You can look, but don't you hump.
I'm major. I roar.
I swear I'm not a whore. We cheer and we lead.

Speaker 2 We act like we're on stage. Hate us because we're beautiful.

Speaker 2 We don't like you either. We're your leaders.
We aren't your leaders.

Speaker 2 Call me Big Red. I'm Omo Wicky.

Speaker 2 Courtney. Ramsu and Starsey.
I'm Megan Carver. Yeah, just going Casey.

Speaker 2 I'm still big red.

Speaker 2 I sizzle. I scorch.
And now I pass the torch. The ballots are in.
And one girl has to win. She's perky.
She's blind. And now she's never run.
Kicking Taurus. You're Captain Taurus.

Speaker 2 I'm strong and loud. I'm going to make you proud to Taurus.
You're Captain Taurus.

Speaker 2 Let me go.

Speaker 2 We are the Tauros, the mighty, mighty Tauros. We're so terrific.
It must be Tauros.

Speaker 2 Wow, that lived right in the middle of the day. That you were right in the bones.
So anyway, so I saw that, and obviously I was radicalized. Yeah, 100%.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Did you just see us all chant that?

Speaker 2 It is an iconic opening to a movie. Iconic.
That they should teach in schools. Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's 1 million.

Speaker 2 And I would have liked to see that in film school. Yes.
But, you know, they got to watch.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I got to watch the bicycle thief or whatever the fuck.
You know how many times I watched Beautiful Laundrette? No, exactly. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyway.

Speaker 2 But that film, you're seeing it in the theaters. You can remember seeing it.
I saw that. I got it.
I saw it at home. I believe it was VHS and or possibly a DVD.
Yes.

Speaker 2 And I saw that and I said, I have to do this. And so that summer, I was enrolled in a cheer camp.
Not being comedy or acting. Actually, cheerleading.

Speaker 2 This is how you know it really worked. It really worked.
It is culture that made me say life was for me. Yeah.
Okay. I said, I'm going going to keep living, actually.
Now I was like.

Speaker 2 Is it all the trillion or is any part of it the tickle, which is what I call it when you start to feel a little bit LGBTQ plus? Well, of course, Miss C.

Speaker 2 You had a little bit of the tickle. I transferred from Los Angeles to your school.
That's no gymnastics team. This is the last resort.

Speaker 2 I mean, and by the way, it's like, and then like, y'all remember Stick It?

Speaker 2 I didn't know. I never saw Stick It, but I

Speaker 2 suggest, yeah. I suggest seeing it.
It's really, really awesome. And also very LGBT.
Of course. Specifically L, if you you will.
Very L. And I was.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 So yeah, it definitely was, of course, I mean, and then like, but I'm a cheerleader, obviously. Right.
It's like, okay, well, and I saw that when I was already out, but you know, whatever. No problem.

Speaker 2 So, so, yeah, I, I enrolled in cheer camp and then I joined a competitive team that was a co-ed team in Marina Del Rey. And what age is this now?

Speaker 2 This is now, I'm kind of blurry on my past generally, but this is probably

Speaker 2 nine because I've been like from like seven, I was like in cheer camp. And then like nine to maybe 11, I was on this one team in Marina Del Rey.
And then I switched to an all-girls gym in Pasadena.

Speaker 2 And we competed all over the country. And it was like

Speaker 2 competitive cheerleading. Yes.
Like y'all were in. Yes.
Yes. Like you were the Rancho Carne Toros.
Even more so, I would say. Like even more.
More Toros than Toros. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Which, you know, is hard to do, especially in LA, in the LA area. It's more of like a middle of the country south type thing.

Speaker 2 You and Sudi Green need to really connect on this because she has done a lot of research on like youth cheerleading. Yes.
Cheerleading. Yes.
Yes. That is, it's a wild world.
Wild world.

Speaker 2 And I will say that I credit a lot of my determination for perfection and hard work to cheerleading because, you know, nothing else was acceptable. No.
People get hurt. Genuinely.

Speaker 2 It's like, do you want to fly? Then you better, you better soar for perfection, darling. You know what I mean? Wow.
Because I'll knock you back down to back spot in a second. 100%.

Speaker 2 You want to stay on the ground? Then hit the goddamn heel stretch. I am very afraid.
Oh, 100%. I'm giving you one tenth right now.
Imagine being one tenth. I'm giving you 110.

Speaker 2 I believe that you're only giving me 110.

Speaker 2 I've seen what it looks like. Darkness.
I've seen when you're on 10 and you are looking at me in my eyes and I am not stepping out of it. You know what I mean? You better sore.

Speaker 2 So did you ever like sort of, because

Speaker 2 you do have this power. Thank you.
Did you rise to the levels of leadership? I was captain of the varsity cheerleaders. Oh my God.
Come on, this is high school.

Speaker 2 So then, of course, I went to my high school career, which was was actually quite tragic because,

Speaker 2 you know, I came from this intense world and this was such a huge part of my identity. And then in high school, you know, these girls, you know, there were a couple girls.

Speaker 2 I want to shout out Kayla Countryman and Heidi Uzalak. Kayla Countryman and Heidi.
And Heidi Uzalak, they came from competitive cheerleading. Kayla came from.

Speaker 2 competitive cheer in central California, Heidi from Georgia. And so these girls, they were coming into JV tryouts, standing tucks.
You know what I mean? Like they were ready to go. They got you.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? They were ready to go. And the rest of the girls,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I shouldn't speak out of turn. I'm sure they had, you know, look, it just, we were on different pages.
We were just on different pages. No, and that's

Speaker 2 nobody's fault. That's nobody's fault.
It's just how, it's what the configuration was.

Speaker 2 Exactly. You, Kayla, and Heidi were coming from a particular

Speaker 2 stock

Speaker 2 of cheer. That's right.
We were striving for perfection and the other girls were, you know,

Speaker 2 they were on the team. Sure, they were going on.

Speaker 2 Sure. So then when you get to the end of high school, is there a moment of torrents torrents where you're like, what is my life now? 100%.

Speaker 2 So, so I was used to like very intense conditioning, springboard, like professional cheerleading equipment, all of these things.

Speaker 2 And I was kind of, you know, I went from tumbling on like a gymnastics floor to grass and track.

Speaker 2 So at football games, we'd be on the track and I'd be doing like, you know, seven back handsprings in a row or something.

Speaker 2 And it would be like this thing of like, I'm kind of, it's hard on, on the body. Yeah.
And

Speaker 2 over time, I gradually lost skill. And I will never forget the last time I threw a round off back handspring tuck.
And then I got spooked. I got scared.
Really?

Speaker 2 And it was like, it was like, this is the last.

Speaker 2 Oh, you felt it leave. I did a round off back handspring and I sprung up to do the tuck and I couldn't.
Like I, I genuinely,

Speaker 2 I genuinely could not do the back tuck. And it was just like I walked away.
Like I got, it was just gone. I was, I was.
Wow. Yeah, I left me.
And she was gone.

Speaker 2 Do you think in confronting that moment that that was an emotional slash mental block or do you believe that it was physical and your body was just like we have exceeded the time where this is like a safe thing for us to do it was emotional and mental wow i had poured so much time and effort into the team into trying to get gym space for the girls to try to up their skill to try to work on okay how about everybody goes for a back hand spring and we try to make that the goal and the whole team can do a standing back hand spring

Speaker 2 and you know the amount of effort and time and concern i poured into the high school team was you know it was a lot You could call it unhealthy. I was very, very serious about it.
Like, very serious.

Speaker 2 I identify with that deeply. But I know what I mean.
Y'all were high school students. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 It's like, this is, you don't know what, how big the vessel is for you to pour all yourself into. Yes.
And you sound like you were a great, great captain. Oh, thank you.
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 But, well, probably because it was, because if you weren't, then what? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I just remember like,

Speaker 2 I was captain of my track team.

Speaker 2 And I also got to like a place where I remember it just, it became my identity in a way where it was like, okay, so then at the end of it, when you do ultimately decide to walk away, the breakdown you have.

Speaker 2 Like, did you have like a breakdown? Because I remember calling my father and telling him I had done a week of the track team at NYU.

Speaker 2 And then I was like, I, it was, became so clear that I was meant to pursue other things and actually try to become myself and stop.

Speaker 2 And track was amazing, but like it was a crutch for me to get through high school, being good at that and having purpose and having authority no one could like check you or fuck with you because you were an effective part of something that was like accepted in the school as being a worthwhile social and physical thing he's on a diversity team etc and when i had to call my father and tell him that i was leaving the team i i didn't even know i was going to get that upset because it's not just you quitting that it's you quitting this thing that's been definitive yes that thing that's defined you know that's right most associated with you and being productive and successful was your dad like sports dad at the games like super cheerleader vibes my dad was pretty much if he didn't start as the coach of everything i did he finished as the coach of everything i did okay like he i remember he was very unhappy with like the coaching i was getting in track and field season wise cross country wasn't good enough winter track wasn't good enough spring track wasn't good enough so he ended up learning how to coach it and then was the pretty much the best track coach i had ever had wow yeah Okay.

Speaker 2 So it was, it was a loss for both of you. I mean, I don't think so because he was like, I don't care.
I just want you to be happy and do something.

Speaker 2 He was like, go right for the school paper or whatever, whatever's going to like motivate you.

Speaker 2 But I didn't get that because like you're saying, it's like, it has to be this thing that's like, because I don't know what I even am. Yes.

Speaker 2 So that's why it's frustrating is because like, I don't know who I am. And us all being, I think, closeted queer at the time, probably that is extra scary because you're like, no, it means something.

Speaker 2 Like, I have to have an identity.

Speaker 2 If I don't have an identity, especially like when you're going to college and we went to New York for college, where everyone knows who they are and everyone knows where they're going and everyone's busy and everyone's plugged in.

Speaker 2 And suddenly you're like, whoa,

Speaker 2 I'm not that. And I'm used to being that.
Yes, it is a huge identity crisis. And it's like, you see, did y'all watch the Kelsey, that documentary, Kelsey, the Jason Kelsey doc? No, no, not yet.
Mr.

Speaker 2 Jason. It was so cool.
It was like this, it felt like it will resonate because it like explored this thing where like an athlete has to walk away from their sport.

Speaker 2 And like, because your body just, whatever, whatever the reason, in my case as well, I was also graduating and the college that I went to didn't have, like, their tier team was dancers with pom-poms.

Speaker 2 It wasn't actually geez.

Speaker 2 And like, for whatever reason, like. Walking away, it is a huge identity crisis.
And it's so devastating. And frankly, not to get dark, but you look at some of those episodes of intervention.

Speaker 2 A lot of them were like, I was an athlete and then my knee got whatever. And then, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 Like, it is really like truly having your identity be like roped into athleticism or any career that has like an expiration date on like it's connected to your body in any way.

Speaker 2 Like it's really fucked up. It's really dark.

Speaker 2 No, crazy.

Speaker 2 That's the why she won most dominant predator at the culture awards is because she had to that athletic energy had to go somewhere. It's legit.
It is so dark and real.

Speaker 2 That movie was so much better than it had anywhere to be. We even have said.
I thank my lucky stars I found comedy because

Speaker 2 that. Yes.
When did this come in? This came in in college. I just was kind of loitering and I started talking to a kid who, you know, was working on like, I went to film school.

Speaker 2 I went to Champa University. I went to Dodge College.

Speaker 2 And I just was talking to this kid. I was a PA on a film set and he was like, you're funny.
You should try out for the improv team. And so I did try out for the improv team and I did do that.

Speaker 2 And I was really not good at it.

Speaker 2 But I, then,

Speaker 2 Lost Culture is Des Faye, Nicole Bayer,

Speaker 2 came to my college, came to Chapman, and she asked if anyone from the improv team wanted to open for her. And I volunteered.
And that was the first time I did stand-up. I know.

Speaker 2 What was the moment of bravery that allowed you to volunteer? Well, I loved stand-up so much.

Speaker 2 And I also felt so bad about how bad at improv I was because I really was so in my head in a way that you cannot be to do that well.

Speaker 2 And you being someone who's a perfectionist, she's like, you're like, I will will be good at stand-up. Yeah, I got it.
I will not fail. Yeah.
Yeah. And just being like, I love stand-up so much.

Speaker 2 I listen to albums all the time. Like, maybe I could do that.
Maybe I could try that the way I tried Improvin. So I wrote like eight minutes and just opened for her.

Speaker 2 And it was like, literally, I never went back. Oh.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Changed everything.
She made, she made it possible for me. Have you, you, you've talked about this before? I have told her since.
Oh, okay. I ran into her.
I was like, thank you.

Speaker 2 And she's really she was really sweet about you know what's so funny like not funny it's just like i love that that can then be something that you were able to tell her i remember like years ago you know you remember who

Speaker 2 performed our welcome week and i just remember feeling so wrecked because like i had to quit that team and like comedy was something i knew i could go to because everyone's gonna we were all gonna laugh and at least that would be a release and it being her like who's someone who i thought was genuinely so funny and like, like, we were all having a cathartic moment.

Speaker 2 And then to know her later and see her get the success that she's had. Obviously, Nicole is also huge.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Um, but to have the outlet for that, to be like, you really fucking made a difference, like, that's like, that's major. Yeah, it's so major.

Speaker 2 And it's like the most, I mean, especially to like watch Nicole, this also sets an example for you, like, to continue to kind of pay it forward and be like, how can I reach back and like figure out how to like facilitate that for other people?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 the most incredible gift and honor to be able to do it as well. True.
Truly. My God.
Love this shit. I love this shit.

Speaker 2 I did as good as hell. Like I recently

Speaker 2 just did crock. It's crocked.
This is all.

Speaker 2 I'm sponge the entire time with you as you talk about this. God, same, by the way.
Am I using that right? I'm sponge. I'm sponge.

Speaker 2 You don't have to say I am sponge. You can just say sponge.
Sponge. Sponge talk.
But you can say, like, genuinely, like, it's like, we made it up, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 But I feel like I am sponge. Throw it in.

Speaker 2 The grammar is very Sandy and Hannah, and I know I want to honor that. It is

Speaker 2 crocked.

Speaker 2 You were very crocked when you said that.

Speaker 2 But speaking of Sponge, like, the bringing on of it all, like, that, especially formatively at a time when you're seeing, like, again, kids, they're played by adults, but like, you see that world of high school.

Speaker 2 I remember being so blown away, A, that high schools could have hallways that were outside. I was convinced that California must be the promised land.
I was like, what is going on here?

Speaker 2 And all those LA high schools were all outside hallways.

Speaker 2 Like the cuckoo one

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 2 she's all that. Oh, Harvard.
Which, by the way, watch that again.

Speaker 2 None of those movies hold up. Easy out of Easy A.

Speaker 2 Like all of them.

Speaker 2 But that was wild to watch them inhabit the space and how hot they all were, et cetera. I will also...

Speaker 2 point out it opened a door to that type of comedy for me and maybe for you too where it was like well kirsten Dunce was huge. Yeah.
And then playing on stars all the time was bringing on.

Speaker 2 And then also there was Drop Dead Gorgeous. And I think that was also the, that opened the door to like character acting for me.
I was like, wait, she's in this and she's in this and it's different.

Speaker 2 And I know her from Jumanji. Let me find out everything I need to know.
Like, do you get like.

Speaker 2 Whenever you see an actor from that movie, whether they're doing a lot or doing a little, you must like completely.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. I was watching, like, I was in a hotel room.
I had a random channel on. You guys, I literally saw Missy acting in a courtroom drama like a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 2 Eliza Dushko out there. Yeah.
Yeah. Like I, and I had not seen her since.
And I was like, hell, motherfucking, yeah. She's killing it.
She's serious. She's acting.
She's gorgeous. She's still.

Speaker 2 incredibly gorgeous.

Speaker 2 And she, I just was like, I could not believe it had been so long for me personally. It's, you know, oversight on my part.
Oh Oh my God, where?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Tribeca. Tribeca filmed.
And it was such a moment. She was so cool.
She was so iconic.

Speaker 2 She's so iconic. She had an impact the way she did.
It's like,

Speaker 2 you can never even imagine. No, can never.
You can never even imagine. She doesn't even watch in True Calling.

Speaker 2 She, you, that type of impact doesn't even, I don't, I can't, does it exist today? I don't know.

Speaker 2 I think it probably, you know, who I see, again, like, but there's something happening with Chapel Roan. 100%.

Speaker 2 Where we called it a while back, and that's not to take like credit, like, or we saw it first, but it's just like, what has happened in the past couple of months?

Speaker 2 And I noticed it from, I've seen her live a few times now, like over the months, it gets more and more intense. People are very emotional about it.

Speaker 2 And you get the sense that she really speaks to people. I think maybe if it doesn't happen in film and TV now, it does happen in music and music all the time.
Yes, all the time. That's a good point.

Speaker 2 Yep. I saw one of her concerts in LA right before she blew up.
I think I saw you there. I was at the the Fonda, wasn't it? Yes.
Yes, I did see you there. Yes, at the Fonda.
Yes. It was incredible.

Speaker 2 And it was just like, you could tell by the energy in the room. Like, I was, I saw the diehard fans.
Everybody was kind of dressed up. And then I would look at these executives.

Speaker 2 Like, a bunch of people had gone to see her. It was the last, I think it was the last stop on her tour.
Yeah. And I just was like, oh, something's happening tonight.

Speaker 2 Like, something's happening tonight. Like, she's about to go up and off.

Speaker 2 Up and off. Up and off.
I went to both of her Brooklyn Steel nights. I went to, it was the two nights in a row.
First night was on the only time I skipped a Tuesday writing night. I didn't skip it.

Speaker 2 I just like took a break because talent people at SNL were like, we're going to see Chapel. Do you want to come with? I was like, I got to write, but

Speaker 2 I did want to be there to like talk to them about like, what would booking her be like? And like, not that, like, I, again, you should do the premiere. This is, oh my God.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 This was not like me being like pressing my thumb on the scale being like, you should be like, I was just me being like, oh, I want to see you guys experience her. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I went with them and during casual, I think,

Speaker 2 this person on the talent team turns to me and Grace Shaker. Love y'all.
She turns to me. She goes, she's special.
She is. I was like, yeah, totally.
Casual is a very special moment in history.

Speaker 2 It's a monotonic casual. When everyone is actually living that

Speaker 2 like, and I feel like everyone's singing it as if they've gone through the same thing.

Speaker 2 I don't know that I've ever been in a relationship like that, but I am so fucking angry at the fictional person that put me through Catholic.

Speaker 2 I am angry. You can go to hell.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Catharsis.
Catharsis.

Speaker 2 She is doing cathartic pop.

Speaker 2 My kink is karma is cathartic fucking pop. And Justin Tranter, I'm pointing at you, but like legend, but like such

Speaker 2 big feelings in the music. And that Good Luck Babe.
bridge. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 I told you so.

Speaker 2 Like they don't sing like that. They don't sing like that.
But then on Good Luck, Babe, it's like, that's her giving the most K-bush she's ever given.

Speaker 2 And then you were saying you saw her live, and she really did hit that note of Coachella. The vocals are not a lot.

Speaker 2 I mean, I left that first concert being like, this is when I saw the Fonda, the show we were at. And tell me if this makes sense, but at the time, I said, it's giving Annie Lennox meets Kesha.
Wow.

Speaker 2 That's, that's like the only way I can really describe it. Like, this like soulful

Speaker 2 pop sound, like ethereal, but big voice, and this

Speaker 2 idiotic sort of like ridiculous like refusal to take yourself seriously in a way that I loved so much because I think it reminded me of like being at the beginning when like talk about Union Hall like I will always

Speaker 2 I will always cherish those days and I still love going but it's like those were good days when like you could fuck up and fail and it didn't really matter yeah if you guys are around we're doing Sandy and Peter are doing pig at Union Hall.

Speaker 2 They're doing the legendary show, Sandy and Peter Peter.

Speaker 2 Wow, that is a blast. We're just going to be vibing.
But this is this week? Yeah. On the 13th.
Gorgeous. But yeah, I feel you.

Speaker 2 I feel like the LA version of Union Hall is very much the Virgil, like the hot tub. 100%.
The hot tub of it all. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I used to do the picture this. Sure.
Like, it's funny, like, some of the bookers from that time are still booking shows and they'll email now.

Speaker 2 And I kind of say, like i don't really do that anymore but they're like hey and we know you don't really perform live anymore but and just seeing that sentence like it's break my heart a little bit like and i think is that true though well you know i was that kind of person that was i don't think i think it was like really pre and then during the beginning years of the podcast, I was out there all the time.

Speaker 2 We did more character stuff. Like we were out there like doing character driven stuff and we did a lot of sketch and we took our sketch comedy very seriously.

Speaker 2 But then it translated to more individual performance but by that time it kind of didn't really get the chance to develop because other things started happening and now to know that I perform live for my Christmas shows and try to push everyone to there so they can do well but

Speaker 2 you know you miss that you know what I mean you miss being able to go out there and like just it you feel easier about it you know and I are you still out there a lot I am. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because I let that I let the success and other things like stop that for me. And I envy that about you.

Speaker 2 Like you still have the raw passion for it and you're able to get out of your way and you're like, I'm going up there.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, do you feel like that comes from a place of like, I don't feel the freedom to try new stuff?

Speaker 2 I don't, I feel like I have to come with a finished product because I'm going to be like evaluated. Is that a part of it? It's in the same way as you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's like if I'm not honest and I have always

Speaker 2 been way harder on myself than everyone else. And I know you know what I'm talking about.
And I feel like

Speaker 2 most of the time I'll be like, well, I'm not prepared to do that. And then I'll go up and do it.
And I'll understand that I was prepared the whole time and I shouldn't stop myself.

Speaker 2 So that's just probably a reminder we should always just tell ourselves is like, you can do it. You are prepared.
You've worked really hard.

Speaker 2 The way that I have tried to like foster a space where I can do this is by billing it as a new material show and being like, oh, great. This is loose.
This is open mic vibes. Like, come if you want.

Speaker 2 That's a really elegant way to be.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Just like, it's a new material show and just being like, that's that's the vibe.

Speaker 2 Or like literally, if you even need to, and I, I mean, I do this sometimes and it is kind of a cop out, but like, I, I do sometimes go like,

Speaker 2 okay, like I earned your trust with those. Can I do a new thing right now? Yeah.
It's like, woo, you know, it's like, it gives you a little more grace to like. try it and then, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 So, but, but yeah, I mean, but I just don't want to, I, honestly, you guys, Guy Bronham, he, he's a writer on hacks and he was my, one of my first days on set was a scene with him where he was like the head head of the little Debbie's like Deborah fan club outside the pizza shop in season one and he said something to me that I never forgot and at the time it was so like out I couldn't imagine how it could ever become true and then I saw like oh yeah I could see how this would become true but he said because you know he's a comic too and he was like I've seen you like I appreciate your comedy I really think you're great and I don't want you to stop like you are now acting and that is a like you know that is far more glamorous than stand-up and I he just was like don't stop because you're good and it'll be really easy to like you know this is an a better life like going on the road is fucked up and it's hard no matter what and it's very isolating and you know you can be lonely but like just don't like walk away and he said that to me the first day and I at the time was like I love stand-up how could that ever be true and then I started to see like yeah like it is fucking really brutal and it's really a hard life.

Speaker 2 And it's one, you know, if you can tour and be a headlining comic, that is an immense privilege.

Speaker 2 But, you know, on a personal level, when you're sitting there looking up at the ceiling in the hotel room alone and you're like in a town and it's raining and you're just like kind of on your own, it's fucking, you know, kind of sad.

Speaker 2 But every time I feel that way, I just remember what Guy said because like he is someone I look up to so much as well. And I'm like, if he's telling me that, I needed to hear it.

Speaker 2 It's a beautiful message. Like, and I just, I don't want to let go of stand-up because it's the only thing that like I really can do on my own and control.

Speaker 2 Like it really is like this beautiful, bountiful well of opportunity for me. And it always has been.

Speaker 2 And like I do have this like thing of like the comedy gods, like the comedy gods, like if you appease them and make this sacrifice and do get on the stage, you know, you, they will smile upon you.

Speaker 2 And like, I have this like thing that I've always kind of had with that.

Speaker 2 And I feel like still I have to like pray at the altar of the comedy gods and, you know, like continue to do that because it's given me everything that I have, you know, it's made it all possible.

Speaker 2 So I think that is probably a big reason why I have maintained like this love for it.

Speaker 2 And doing this hour, I was very uninspired for like a year before I did the hour because I just was like, I'm ready to put this out, but I still need to do it on the road and workshop it and get it in final shape.

Speaker 2 But I didn't feel like I was writing. as much new material.
And the second we locked it, like I just felt like new again. Like I felt like new possibility.

Speaker 2 i feel like the end of that project made it so that i could do 15 minutes on driving you know i could talk about that i could really open up and i could say like what is the deal with stuff again you know what i mean yeah and that is really powerful so this is so this is such an important sponge moment this sponge all the way sponge especially to internalizing a guy branham piece of wisdom is never a bad idea 100 sponge ass he's the we got to have him back on the pod yeah 100

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Speaker 2 You do get the sense that, like, the answer to all this is to just keep creating. Yeah.
And I, I am sitting here and I'm like thinking about how, like, and I'm like, I do miss like,

Speaker 2 not how stupid I used to be, but how brave I used to be. You know what I mean? Like, it's like that.
There's enough that, like, I'm a little. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I totally know what you mean. And I'm about to say something that's going to sound so

Speaker 2 terrible i literally feel like i i feel like i was braver

Speaker 2 before this podcast before snl yeah you know well i think like anytime there's eyes on you it's yeah yeah of course

Speaker 2 there's also that i remember there came a moment where like i like

Speaker 2 went back on twitter or something was like like popping off on twitter just like tweeting like i used to tweet and the the amount of like weird bad faith and like the weird takes on it's just like oh this is why i got got nervous and this is why I'm less brave now is because like people aren't as forgiving with like stupidity.

Speaker 2 It's harder to get things across. And also maybe people forgot people that follow me forgot that I am this kind of brand of idiot.
You know what I mean? But like you're talking about like

Speaker 2 in the beginning, like we would go on stage in any old wig and do any old monologue and like let it rip. And like sometimes it would be, sometimes it would be good, sometimes it would be bad.

Speaker 2 But we always felt like we were creating after it. And that was never the thing.
Now it feels like creating means like, did we sell a show? Did we get, did we book this thing?

Speaker 2 And that's like, that's not creating. That's not being an artist.

Speaker 2 And also, like, you know, sometimes with this podcast, it can feel like we talk about art so much that that's like, you know, why the culture awards is fun or why this is fun or that's fun.

Speaker 2 Cause like that, that's closer to who we are than like. Now on track six of Eternal Sunshine, I thought what she was getting at was

Speaker 2 interesting.

Speaker 2 We, because we know stuff. Like, da, da, da, da, da, da.
And it's just like,

Speaker 2 where are the fools? Where are the clowns? Where are the idiots? They're here. They're within.
They're locked up. They are you.
They are you. But I will say the culture awards, like that is.

Speaker 2 Okay, first of all, I was there last year, I believe, and

Speaker 2 that was Woodstock. Okay.
That was literally, I was like, oh, time machine, copy that. I'm in a time machine.
I'm now in the past. This is Woodstock.
I'm literally. It's a summer of love.
Copy that.

Speaker 2 It's a summer of love.

Speaker 2 No, legitimately. I was so like, I have never seen a better crowd in my life before or since.
Okay.

Speaker 2 That was insane. That was insane.
And you guys are like writing that show in isolation.

Speaker 2 Like, there is something to be said for that as a skill that you get to because you threw on the wig, because you took a risk, because you went down the road. Every wig was a stepping stone.

Speaker 2 Was a cobblestone. That's right.

Speaker 2 To Lincoln Center. And that, that, for real, like, that is real.

Speaker 2 And that is an incredible skill to be able to pull off something that is so airtight with just within like isolation and you're not like bouncing it off a crowd like that is a beautiful thing and that is so that is a true deep connection that y'all still have like even if you're like okay maybe i'm not doing you know like i see that as as something that is so pure still it's just attached to you're always harder on yourself you know what i mean like that's what it is like every single week you know what i mean like you have to you probably have had to get a little bit better about it

Speaker 2 about what about like the amount of self-immolation

Speaker 2 totally because it's just like you can't happen week after week no no no no and like i would say i identify i formerly identified as a perfectionist and have now loosened that

Speaker 2 identity since where do you feel like you have landed i am

Speaker 2 going

Speaker 2 to get at least five hours of sleep yeah yeah yeah that's not enough i know it's not

Speaker 2 still it's still about it's still like a line totally it's still something for me to be like all right time to put this down and you've associated associated amount of sleep with that idea of like you beating yourself up or like wondering what's enough.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Wow.
I think so. It's like, it literally should not keep me up

Speaker 2 thinking about it, assessing it in hindsight, like all of it, like working on it. I love work.
I love the process, capital T, capital P, but I'm like.

Speaker 2 Let's just set it down and it'll always be better in the morning when we have a fresh set of eyes.

Speaker 2 Like anytime we run on a Tuesday, it's like, okay, I don't know what this is, but let's look at it in the morning.

Speaker 2 And it's, and then, like, it's me and Celestia, I'm like, laughing, laughing, laughing, like typing, typing, typing on Zoom. And it's like, I love that so much.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But the actual process of being like

Speaker 2 little fairy creator. Little fairy creator.
But like, you know, like, um,

Speaker 2 especially now, I feel like, and I think you guys probably understand this too: like, perfect, like, perfection is a little overrated. It's a little, yeah, it's nice when it's, it's rough, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I kind of

Speaker 2 don't have that perfectionist like hindsight when I'm like, oh, that could have been better, that could have been better anymore. Cause I'm just like, no, I kind of like that, especially on SNL.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's nice that there's this like weird sort of

Speaker 2 error and stimulus in the way that it is like made and the way that it's performed. It's like, this is so unpolished because there is no other way to polish this.
There is no time to polish this.

Speaker 2 And so therefore, this is what you get. And here it is.
Here's your product. I enjoy.
I wish everyone could see what I saw because I cannot overstate how going to the show,

Speaker 2 just the weight of this thing, it like it just took like my understanding of it to a whole new level.

Speaker 2 And my, like, I wish everyone knew, and in some small ways through listening to this podcast, I feel like people get a look into it, but like to be able to see the inner workings of this, it's so hard.

Speaker 2 What you guys have to do

Speaker 2 is like, it's just purely emotional, I think.

Speaker 2 I mean, just the demand, like,

Speaker 2 you know, like the demand and the pace, and it's exciting and it's incredible, but it's just like, I go,

Speaker 2 I'm, it puts into context how much of a mere mortal I am and how much like you guys are operating on such a higher level.

Speaker 2 That's nice. I feel like we're all like, we're all on the same level here of like.

Speaker 2 we get emotional about the things that we make. And so therefore, like no matter what, no matter what the context is, it's

Speaker 2 it is. I'm just sitting here thinking like there's some confronting going on like of self.
And I'm like, that's probably why I've done that same fucking Christmas show for six years.

Speaker 2 Not that it's like, not that it's like the same. It changes every year and I get better at it every year.

Speaker 2 But now I'm fully like, Matt Rogers, if you don't write a new show, if you don't write new material, I am disappointed in you.

Speaker 2 Like I will be disappointed in myself if I don't create something new because I have, and it's almost like comical now.

Speaker 2 And that's part of what makes that idea funny to me is like it comes back every year like christmas but i'm like stop using it as a crutch you know what i mean that's like me genuinely telling myself like these things you have to stop using them as crutches and like it i don't know it's just we needed we needed sponge today

Speaker 2 because i needed to tell myself that anyway we needed just like we all at this point in our like careers and in our lives like we're so lucky to even have retrospect yeah that like but you do have to force yourself to change because it's that comfort in like the quote unquote success that can get you to a certain place.

Speaker 2 Like, you know what I mean? Like you blessedly won't be at SNL forever. One day, like, you know, you'll have another role that is different from hacks.

Speaker 2 Like, if I am any good at what I do, write something new at some point. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 but there, it is nice to get to that point. Totally.
Like, it almost feels like, no, not everyone gets to say, like, what's the next act going to be? Yeah. Like, it's a really exciting thing.
It is.

Speaker 2 And reframing it as exciting and not like, it's not a negative judgment on you if you don't do it. It's more so like, I can do it and I'm excited to do it.

Speaker 2 And like, I and the audience deserve more and I deserve to feel connected. You know that spark when something's new.
There's nothing like it.

Speaker 2 You deserve to feel that feeling. Like we all as artists crave that feeling.

Speaker 2 And it's like when it comes from you, a gifted artisan, like you're operating on a higher level as well, like by virtue of like the things that you have done and who you are as an artist.

Speaker 2 Like that is exciting. And we all want to feel that.
I watching you want to feel that. And I want to watch you feel that.
You know what I mean? I like to watch.

Speaker 2 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 This is another reason why, though, that like the older generation of comedian is like, it bums me out so much is because it's like, I know when they say shit like that, it does get in people's heads a little bit.

Speaker 2 Like when the industry constantly tells you, like, oh, we don't want this type of show or like this type of thing isn't working.

Speaker 2 It's like right now, especially, like, as it's getting worse and worse, worse like and harder and harder for like marginalized voices again you know we're officially you know it's not like 2014 anymore where they're like what's the what's the deal with this queer thing you know what i mean it's like it's kind of more difficult again that is something i resent you know what i mean because yeah it is a in response to like these uninformed opinions yeah they're shouting us down yeah you know what i mean and that feels like so opposite of the spirit that i know uplifted our entire peer group and like it that i guess does piss me off that it's like, you're trying to make us afraid to do what we do because you're trying to tell us as an authority figure that you know better and that you see the future, but you don't see the future.

Speaker 2 You can't even participate in the present. So, why should the fuck should I listen to you about what the future is or like what the past even was? You had

Speaker 2 perspective on that too.

Speaker 2 So, like, why are you trying to make it an uncomfortable, scary atmosphere? New John Waters coach dropped in an interview.

Speaker 2 And this applies to us, me and you. Once you turn 30, you just shut up.

Speaker 2 Just stop talking.

Speaker 2 That's actually major.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm 29, so I have one more year.

Speaker 2 A little bit more time.

Speaker 2 You got about a year, as Tina Fay once famously said. Oh, my God.
That was so awesome. She was in that chair.

Speaker 2 She was in that chair when she rocked the world. That was crazy.
Did definitely get in the head. I went hard.
Yeah. Yeah, but she's the smartest.
She's like, so it's just like,

Speaker 2 it is what it is.

Speaker 2 Well, it's time. It might be time.

Speaker 2 It might be time for I Don't Think So Honey, which is sort of that one minute segment, Bo, wouldn't you say? Or you rant and rave against something in pop culture that

Speaker 2 definitely make a noise. Cries our ears.
Okay, so I have something, and it's sort of a system. It's sort of a sequel to one that I did a while back.

Speaker 2 It's even the same words, but it's different content. Oh, that's that's so interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay, this is Matt Rogers.
I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now.
Once again, I don't think so, honey, Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez critics. Do you think that they wanted this?

Speaker 2 Do you think that they wanted to get back together and then have it dissolve in this way? Guys, please, they are both trying the best they can.

Speaker 2 Maybe they don't even know how to try the best they can, but they're definitely trying.

Speaker 2 I have to say, like, the amount of attention they get, of course, it's their responsibility a little bit.

Speaker 2 Like, they, you know, it's not like they don't traffic in it a little bit, but this can't be what they wanted. And so don't pile on the people, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 They want to be happy just like everyone else. We all saw the movie.
And by we all, I mean however many people out there that actually streamed it like we did, but we consumed the culture.

Speaker 2 And I don't think there was like. a false bone in that.
I think she really genuinely thinks this was all the things that were going to make her happy and it didn't work out.

Speaker 2 So don't punch the woman when she's down. She had to cancel the goddamn tour.
Like, do you know it's so, it's, that was the last resort canceling the tour. Like, just leave J-Lo be.

Speaker 2 And Ben, I'm let him get his Dunkin' Donuts in peace. Clearly, the man is like, just wants his Dunkin' Donuts.
You know what I'm saying? So I say, swipe the card.

Speaker 2 I'm sure he's got like, you know, a certain card there that gives like VIP status. Swipe the card, Ben.
And J-Lo, you're going to be okay. Just take a break.
And that's one minute. Yeah.
That's tough.

Speaker 2 Yeah. J-Lo's going through it right now in every way.
I just people treat their.

Speaker 2 I, I, I, like, you,

Speaker 2 they're not zoo animals, guys. These are people with wives and kids and stuff.
Like, can we not? It's so crazy. It's just like that.

Speaker 2 And I remember, I remember, I said years ago, I don't think Swani Ben Affleck and JLo critics let her get her best nut.

Speaker 2 I feel like she really, she followed her heart back to her best nut. And how can you blame her for doing that? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like in times of struggle, we sometimes will just go back to our best nut. And it's a reminder.
And maybe she didn't have the person a reminder, but don't just go back to your best nut

Speaker 2 because the best nut is a nut that stopped for a reason. You know what I'm saying? Yes.
And it's like, this actually can be a great reminder to everyone.

Speaker 2 Like, just because it was your best nut does not mean that it's going to be the nut. It can't be the final nut.
But you can't.

Speaker 2 JLo will not sponge that because she doesn't want to, because she like is a nanny. It's a romantic.
It's romantic.

Speaker 2 She wants that fantasy. I know, and I wonder when she'll realize that the fantasy is not something that

Speaker 2 can ever be real.

Speaker 2 But it's like, wow, she figures it out, you can't, yeah, like, and I also wonder, like, how much of it is them like being photographed without the ring and like trafficking and that sort of like 2000s paparazzi mentality that maybe some people think is still a thing to engage in.

Speaker 2 But I'm like, the whole thing is exhausting, and also, like, we don't need the narrative, the press narrative again.

Speaker 2 Like, and like, I, oh, the whole thing is just like, I really thought they wouldn't break up. And now that they are, I'm like, oh, no, we all got it.
We all got to disengage. We all got to dupes.

Speaker 2 Everyone got duped. But that was exciting in the beginning, wasn't it? Oh, it was exciting.
That was really fun for us. Because it made you believe that it could happen again.

Speaker 2 I remember I even said on this podcast, like, that really fucked me up knowing that they found each other again. And Bo and Yang was like, well,

Speaker 2 and now we found out where the ellipses led. Divorce.

Speaker 2 All we can say is that we hope Jennifer Garner is doing well and protecting her peace. Yeah, for sure.
She's probably doing good. I know, but she's, I do want to.
She's in the garden.

Speaker 2 She's in her garden. She's overalls dirt on the overalls.
Yeah, but like, she must not be feeling great things either. She must feel so complicated about all of this.
Father of her kids. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What are they going through, you know? Oh, my God. It touches everybody.
You know, you mentioned Jennifer Garner in the garden.

Speaker 2 Have you ever noticed that Jennifer Garner does a lot of movies where like her kids are plants or her plants are kids? Like a lot of times. Kids are plants.

Speaker 2 Like she definitely did a movie where her kid was a plant and then like she was upset when the plant died because it was her kid. And it's like, well, you know, the kid was a plant.

Speaker 2 I think it was the odd life of Timothy Green.

Speaker 2 Just feels like I miss that. Oftentimes, Jennifer Garner is in a film where her kids are in mortal peril or dead already or like going to die because they're a plant.

Speaker 2 Or gay. Love Simon.
Yeah. So that's what I'm saying.
Like kid and emotional. You can breathe now, Simon.

Speaker 2 Like she clearly is someone whose heart is like tugged at by by like i want to do a movie about the power of like me protecting my kids love for my kids so at least that like you know what i mean their mom is rock solid

Speaker 2 she is

Speaker 2 while daddy and stepmom figure it out right but she she has been she has

Speaker 2 seen every angle of motherhood yes and she knows how to direct that in the best way for her children. She looked at it from both sides now.
A hundred. You ready, Bowen?

Speaker 2 Do you have an I don't think so?

Speaker 2 I do. Well, this is good.
Here we go. This is Bowen Yang's.
I don't think Swani's time starts now. I don't think Swani packing shoes in luggage.

Speaker 2 It's taken up two-thirds of my space all of a sudden for one pair. One pair.

Speaker 2 And the best I can do to stuff into that shoe is maybe a pill case, maybe a glasses case, maybe a toothbrush if it's being covered.

Speaker 2 But shoes and suit, we have to think of a better way to travel with shoes because the footprint literally is too big. It's too big in the suitcase.

Speaker 2 And I don't, that means I cannot pack my portable steamer. Oh, Hannah's got a stomper.
And I bet you didn't love solving that little puzzle in your away bag, maybe.

Speaker 2 Whatever your luggage is. It's away.
I just think we need to, I can't believe technology is not advanced enough. to solve for this.

Speaker 2 I don't know what we have to do. There's certainly no political solution to this.
I'm not confident or hopeful in a technological one.

Speaker 2 So I think we just need to invent something that's smaller than shoes, but we can wear on our feet. And that's what I'm going to like.
I guess we're going to have to figure out how to fold up a shoe.

Speaker 2 We need a foldable shoe. Also, because they are the last thing you think to put in the bag because you're like, oh, I need my sweatshirts, my socks, my underwear, and my this.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, oh, God,

Speaker 2 because then you know it is always an acrimonious between like the Daub kit and the shoes. Oh, my God.
You know what I mean? They're fighting. They're fighting for space.
They're fighting for time.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 2 The piece of the pie is.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 2 So how did it go? Were you able to get everything back? Well,

Speaker 2 I have to say all I had were white sneakers, plain white sneakers for Fire Island, and these black, I'll say like loafers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You wore some pretty sick loafers on the island. But that's not the ideal shoe situation, period.
No matter where you go,

Speaker 2 you want at least three pairs of shoes with you, don't you? I do. And this is, you're not checking.

Speaker 2 You're on a ferry. How do you get the viron on? You take a fairy? You got to take a very, very.

Speaker 2 So, so what if it is the like the zipper bag that goes over the handle of the luggage and that's just shoe bag? It's shoe toiletry bag. Interesting.
It's a secondary bag. That's my only,

Speaker 2 that's my first thought. Thank you.
And thank you. And thank you for like thinking of

Speaker 2 that. I think we should all

Speaker 2 meet at some point at

Speaker 2 at NASA at NASA to figure out a foldable shoe bounce it off the guys and girls at guys and girls and days whoever is working there

Speaker 2 we're calming down yeah the worst is when you have tried to figure out and and finally figured out like a spot for that like third pair of shoes and then they never get worn on the trip and then you're like oh god like do you remember those blue loafers I wanted to wear you didn't wear them no because I actually like I was excited about the blue loafers that I honestly forgot I had they were in the back of my closet they're cute and then i just didn't have an outfit that they would go with which i didn't think when i was packing up i just thought wow my loafers fit and i didn't look at the corresponding clothes to see if anything would make sense and then i go to bow and yang who i trust very much sartorially and i look at him and i say do these loafers work or are they too much and to his credit he really tried he looked at me and he was like yeah

Speaker 2 and then he goes maybe too much and i was like too much And they never got worn. That's right.
But you packed them

Speaker 2 and you did not pack to coordinate with the shoe because you were so worked up and

Speaker 2 amazed. Yeah.
But you were so amazed.

Speaker 2 The shoes literally fit.

Speaker 2 And so that is the win. That is the victory.
I don't have to think of anything else. Yeah.
Right. I have started to do the like fitting before the packing where I'm going, I'm creating outfits.

Speaker 2 I mean, and that's

Speaker 2 the luxury of time, of course. But if you can get, if you can work that in,

Speaker 2 just going, here is the pant, here is the shoe, these are the shirts, right? These are the shirts. And so that kind of consolidates.
And it's like, it's two shoes.

Speaker 2 This is the one I'm wearing on the plane. It's bulkier.
The other one goes, you know, in the suitcase. That's, that's how I've been doing it.
I mean, you're an expert at this point.

Speaker 2 You've been on the road. Look, you know, folks, I'm going really small bag on the road.
Okay. You got to have economy going on.
You're not, you're, you're, you're usually not checking, I assume.

Speaker 2 Never, never checking. Well, because it's had so much time.
So much time. I'm flying a day of the first show.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm in, I'm out. 100%.
You know, period.

Speaker 2 I also feel like we need to stop the culture of going at putting an outfit together, shirts forward. Pants forward.
Like start from the pants. Start from the pants or start from the shoe.

Speaker 2 That could be a moment and a half. Ground up.
Ground up. Speaking of a moment, isn't it tragic that you might be limited to two shoe options in a given trip? That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 And then here I am with a third pair that are perfectly lovely. And I just didn't have anywhere to wear them.

Speaker 2 It's It's brutal. It's brutal.
It was brutal. What a brutal trip.

Speaker 2 That was a moment and a half. This is going to be a minute and no half.
This is a minute, which is, I don't think so, honey. This is your sort of moment.
Are you ready for this? I have to be ready.

Speaker 2 And that's actually dead ass. Yeah.
This is kind of Einbinder's. I don't think so, honey.
Time starts now. I don't think so, honey, stubbing my toe.
No. That hurts, you guys.
I'm going ouch.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying. I'm saying, ouch.
I'm screaming in pain. So you're telling me I'm on my way somewhere.
I'm trying to get something.

Speaker 2 I'm actually typically in a rush and I'm stubbing my toe and nothing's ever hurt more. I've broken bones.
I've broken bones. I've fallen from heights.
You guys know my past.

Speaker 2 I explored that very extensively on this podcast episodes. I've fallen from heights.
I know pain, and no pain is more severe than the ancestral pain that rages through the foot when you stub

Speaker 2 the toe. I don't think so, honey, stubbing your toe on the side of the thing that's never been sharper.
Shut up. What is up with the sharp stuff around me?

Speaker 2 I'm stubbing my goddamn toe and the big toe, I'm not walking around if I lose access to that. 15 cents doesn't stop hurting.
It doesn't alleviate the pain.

Speaker 2 The pain is persistent and I'm just supposed to keep walking around there, but I can't. I can't live in this world.
I don't want to live in the world where I'm stubbing toes all the time.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey, stubbing your toe. And that's the next one for a minute.
And I think we all felt that like energetically.

Speaker 2 And we also all felt that physically because at one point, Buma just goes, oh, and I could tell it was because he was having a flashback.

Speaker 2 I had sense memory sort of flashback, but why does it hurt like that? Well, anytime I stub my toe, you know what my first thought is?

Speaker 2 If I'm in any sort of physical accident that hurts any other part of my body, I will perish. I will perish.
Yeah. My body

Speaker 2 will, will not know how to process it. It is the deepest pain anyone's ever felt when I stub my toe.
Yes.

Speaker 2 And I get it makes me, and as you were saying this, I my, how twisted is it that my thought was, well, we should eliminate corners.

Speaker 2 Ban corners. I almost thought about mentioning to you, you should baby proof your house

Speaker 2 if you're that concerned. And then down the road, it's already done if you ever want to have kids.
That's right. Like it's already baby proofed.
I baby proofed it for myself

Speaker 2 because I remember what it was like. It's, you know what it is? It's from like the paper cut school of senseless, useless, worthless pain.
It's just like, why? It's so stupid.

Speaker 2 It's not even like, it's not even like, yes, one time I was in an accident and as a result, I learned something. It's like, no, I got a paper cut.
No.

Speaker 2 I'm in pain for a stupid reason because I'm so dumb. I could barely hold paper.

Speaker 2 I was so, I was, it was such a, such a page turner that I'm slicing my finger on the weakest substance, a piece of paper. That's the most bullshit thing in rock, paper, scissors, and now I'm bleeding.

Speaker 2 It's like, come on. Also, not for nothing, but your toe, something you barely need.

Speaker 2 What is getting careful now? What? I mean,

Speaker 2 some people need their toes. You kind of, I mean,

Speaker 2 isn't there that, right? You, I don't want to speak out of turn.

Speaker 2 you might need them.

Speaker 2 You might need them. It's just like you could walk in.
It's like, if you lose the, you know, it could impair

Speaker 2 balance. When I had athlete's foot,

Speaker 2 I wanted to cut my foot off. No, man.

Speaker 2 I've had athlete's foot so bad. I heard.
I heard them. Thank you.
That I wanted to cut off my foot. I felt like that would be preferable.

Speaker 2 You remember what it's like to have an injury from like Chilean back in the day? You ever get like tendinitis or something? Oh my God. I had tendinitis so bad one time.
I was like, take my leg.

Speaker 2 Take it off. Take it off.
Take it off. I would rather not have this part of my body than experience the pain.
And when you stub your toe. Oh, I've broken toes.

Speaker 2 It's the same feeling. Are you broken? I've broken fingers.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 How many breaks?

Speaker 2 I've broken fingers. I've broken this elbow.
I broke several toes. And

Speaker 2 it's the same feeling. You're so right.
I've broken this arm twice in my childhood. Same pain.
It's the same pain, you guys. I can't even say out of it.
There's nothing worse than what that is. No,

Speaker 2 broken than stubborn nothing worse i'm just scared because you just said i've broken bones i've broken bones and now i have to say out loud i've never broken a bone and that is something you never say because then i'm gonna go outside and i'm gonna get hit no but matt it's gonna hurt just as bad as stubbing your toe no you i you don't know what it can't you can't do it don't do it don't do it no don't do it you've gone this long you're not gonna can i just say on the paper cut note yeah on the paper cut note

Speaker 2 this is the only time you'll catch me saying thank god for screens i don't i don't miss the stuff i don't miss the sheets oh shit keep the rings at home wait the screen like like screen preferable like screen like like phone

Speaker 2 oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm sorry i should have clarified i i couldn't i thought you meant like a screen door no i'm saying like screen digital everything well you've bless you get here these horror stories get the documents away yeah well you've heard these horror stories about people just walking into glass doors of course you've heard the horror stories there are so many people out there This is an epidemic.

Speaker 2 Some people are so good at cleaning their windows and doors that you cannot see them from being see-through. So you'll go right into

Speaker 2 the parrot. The owl.
Flacco the owl. Who died by crashing into a building.
A glass.

Speaker 2 That's so sad. It's a terrible story.
So sad. But birds everywhere are doing this, crashing into buildings.
It's so terrible. Have you ever really been there when a bird hit a window?

Speaker 2 No, I don't want to think about it. Oh my God, I can't.
Well, we were talking the other day about how birds are so amazing. Oh my god, crows, please,

Speaker 2 crows, crows love them. Crows are highly intelligent, you know, highly intelligent.
They are, they can remember faces, they can do tasks. Fuck off.
No,

Speaker 2 crows

Speaker 2 are crazy. I have a joke.
Go ahead. What do you call it when a crow tries to throw a party, but no one comes?

Speaker 2 An attempted murder.

Speaker 2 That's really good.

Speaker 2 Is that that good? Hey.

Speaker 2 Hey. Hey.

Speaker 2 Why was Cinderella so bad at sports? Why?

Speaker 2 Runs from the ball.

Speaker 2 Yo, I want like that kind of that needs to make a comeback. That kind of setup punchline, lappy-tappy shit.
Yeah. Yes.
What

Speaker 2 is a pirate's favorite letter? R. R.

Speaker 2 You'd think it'd be R, but tis the sea that he loves.

Speaker 2 Oh my god, that was electric.

Speaker 2 Oh, now you should use that for the next special. Okay.
Oh my god. That's my opener.
I'm closing with the murder joke. Deborah Vance could never.
No. Deborah.
She couldn't. Ava wouldn't let her.

Speaker 2 Ava wouldn't let her. She isn't George.

Speaker 2 Well, this has just been joyful. Oh, my God.
And triumphant. In the words of a Christmas song.

Speaker 2 Okamal Ye Faith.

Speaker 2 You guys, thank you really, truly for having me.

Speaker 2 I'm so number one fan vibes and this is so genuinely the the true gift of my life you are the true gift thank you god what

Speaker 2 the whole

Speaker 2 thing the special the show

Speaker 2 the many things

Speaker 2 the abundance of hannah yeah

Speaker 2 i just remember like i'm i'm excited for you and happy for you and i understand why you're here with emotion because like it is like sharing a piece of yourself with everybody when you release that special if you ever get lucky enough to do that i'm sure you will.

Speaker 2 Like, whenever you really put something into an hour and then give it to people. So, I hope you enjoy it.
And I hope it's like a really beautiful premiere's night. We're gonna go.

Speaker 2 I hope it's a beautiful night. And I hope that you can

Speaker 2 work on in the next few hours

Speaker 2 taking all that love and just being like, I'm gonna hold it because you deserve to hold it. Well, when I hear it from the two of you and I look in your eyes, I feel it.

Speaker 2 We must have done sponge. Sponge.
Should the title episode be sponge? I think sponge. I think maybe sponge.

Speaker 2 End every episode with a song.

Speaker 2 Oh my god, this is perfect. Because what were we watching in Cherry Grove the other night? Last night.

Speaker 2 Who lives in a pineapple underneath? Let's see. Sponge, Bob, Square Bitch.
Absorbing in yellow and porous disease. Sponge, bob, square bit.

Speaker 2 There's something you wish. Sponge, bob, square bitch.
Wouldn't you walk under the gang and flop like a fish? SpongeBob, Spanish.

Speaker 2 Sponge, Bob, Square Bitch. SpongeBob Square Bitch.
SpongeBob, Square Pets, SpongeBob,

Speaker 2 Square Pants.

Speaker 2 Why was that square pants? Why was that such an emotional note? If you see those sheet music, that is an emotional 100%. SpongeBob Square Ben.

Speaker 2 I'm giving everything to God. To God.
Keep going.

Speaker 2 Bye.

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