"Ghost Whisper" (w/ Ben Platt)

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Where? Oh, I see. Wow.
Oh, my. Bowen, look over there.
Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.
Wow. Los Culturistas.
Ding dong. Los Culturistas calling.
I just bodied today's connections on the New York Times games app. Literally in 15 seconds while we were setting up for this, I was like, wait, just now, just now record time.
Why not? You, you don't have it today. Can I say, I love how activated you get about these things, honey, join the club.
I will. You have to start playing connections.
Sometimes she tries it. Why not? Well, I know you've really come for her before.
Can I just say, I have this obsession. We need to do a cultural examination of Asian women at the New York Times because they are powerful.
From Michiko Kakutani to Wainali Liu, these women hold the keys. If you think that I forgot when you did an impression of Michiko Kakutani in your SNL...
Did you actually do Michiko Kakutani for your SNL audition? Yes. And I...
They said, this is for everyone. Eric Kenward, producer, little Harvard guy was like, I really liked your Michiko.
Damn. And I went in there and did Anthony and didn't book.
What do you know? You didn't pander to the Harvard boys. That was my problem.
That was my big issue. I can only be me, a gay guy.
White gay guy. Down with us all.
But not our guests. But not our guests.
Can I say, first of all, just like catching up on music, I was side-eyeing this Camila era and now I'm bopping my head. I think he knows.
Wanna play when I'm like that? I was side-eyeing the era. I was side-eyeing it.
I actually refused to acknowledge it as culture. Now the second thing has come out and I'm like, maybe I think she knows.
Well, you know, she is doing this thing really well, which is, and they talked about this on PopTast Deluxe. Okay.
Where they talk about pop music. i think we'd all like it everyone in the zoom yeah um they're like the thing with the dua album and even though i adore the dua album is it's slippery there's no like meme ability to it it like it needs some edge it needs some like it needs a rough service it needs like serration Serration Like serrated edge.
So Camila is very serrated? Yes, because even from like, I love it, I love it, I love it. Even that is like, well, this is going to do numbers.
Did you see the clip of Lana Del Rey weekend? Yes, hello. This is Las Couturistas.
You are joining us in process. I only talk about Lana Del Rey.
This is the Lana Del Rey Stand podcast. As of now, you know she is nominated at the Culture Awards for Artist of the Millennium and also Best New Artist.
So this is an interesting turn for how you thought award shows could go and how nominations could go. But returning to the point, did you see the second weekend of Coachella? Camila came out in the spot where Billy came out.
That's what I'm referencing. Lana goes, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it.
And her Lana sort of ghost whisper. It's actually a roller coaster number 18.
Lana Del Rey, that's a ghost whisper. Fantasmus.
Like Jennifer Love Hewitt before her. Like Jennifer Love Hewitt before her.
This is a Lana Del Rey stand podcast. This is also a Honeymine stand podcast.
Can I tell you? Oh my God. It sucks to say this because I don't think it sucks to say it.
No, what I'm about to say. I don't think it's true, but I listened to this and I was like, finally music.
Cause there's been so much music, but finally I was like, you like, and what I think I mean by that is I was like, this is taking you back to the 70s FM. This is very John Denver vibes.
The vocal harmony. The man has the best voice in the business.
If you thought, oh, a gay guy can't make a Judy Sill album. Oh, a gay guy can't make a Paul Simon album.
You're dead wrong. Here's what I'd say.
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And here's the other deal. So today's actually an auspicious day, Bo.
Because today, for the first time in Las Coltarias' history, we're doing a double episode release. So if you're listening to this, right now after this, you can listen to our episode with Charlie XCX, who has an album coming up this weekend.
But out right now is Honey Mind. Honey Mind.
And this is, it's just, it's music. What can I say? It's just, if you put it on, you will feel every emotion.
I was crying not but 35 minutes ago to the song, Boy Who Hung the Moon. Boy Who Hung the Moon.
I said to be in love. What's it like? We can ask him.
That'll be the first question. He's getting married.
Oh my god. Having everyone's dream wedding, I'm sure.
Now listen. He knows it's true I think he knows Anyway listen He's performing at the palace he's at a residency Right now you can go I'm gonna go next week My mom is excited I'm taking her Oh my god And that would be a gift That you give yourself to go because I mean Every single time I've and by every single time I mean I went to go see Parade twice because I just could not believe how fucking incredible that show was.
Parade! For me that should have been the Tony win. All respect.
Period. All respect.
That's where that should have gone for me. But it did win Best Revival and we love that and I will say just every single time you can see this person perform you are giving yourself a gift.
So give yourself a gift and go see him at the palace because just so good. So good.
We love him so much. Everyone welcome.
Ben Fettblatt! You guys. What's it like to be in love? So nice.
It's like being John Denver. It's great.
You know, Noah, it's the best. He is the best.
You said he was going to cameo? Yeah, he's on his way home right now. And so there'll probably be some barks from Dog George and then some hellos from Noah at some point.
So just don't get too jarred by the barks by Dog George. Well, speaking of your home, and I brought this up to you the last time we saw each other, Ben how does it feel to know that my dear mother mang su has technically been inside your house wait tell me did i tell you about this no there was an open house and my broker ronnie rose who's an icon took my mom to go she was like let's go look at these like really fun places i won't say the neighborhood but she's like let's go look at these like really fun places.
I won't say the neighborhood, but she was like, let's go look at these fun places. And then went to this beautiful home.
My mom was like, wow, that was a really nice place. And then not like two months later, did Ronnie reach out.
And this might not have been, well, maybe I'll cut this out. But she was like, I think your friend Ben, your friend Ben's now.
I was like, that's great. Anyway.
Yeah, we just moved in March. So we're in Brooklyn people now.
And it's really nice. Noah has been trying to get me out of Manhattan for a long time.
How does Brooklyn feel? So good. I mean, it's like a little exhale.
You know what I mean? Like you get off the train and it's like a little less crazy and intense. It's a one hop, skip and a jump one train right to the middle of the Broadway areas.
It's nice. It feels removed, but not in the middle of nowhere.
It's lovely. There are children.
There's a Presbyterian school outside, and they play at recess every day. It's wonderful.
You hear the sounds of laughter, young laughter. We throw volleyballs back from the backyard.
It's great. Do you really? Oh, God, that's going to get annoying quick.
It's cute right now. It already is annoying.
My favorite thing about you guys is I've run into you guys in Times Square like three times. Same.
They're always jaunting around Times Square. We're all three very consistent patrons of the theater.
And so that's why we're in Times Square. 100%.
I forget what show I was going to see, but I think you guys were going to see another show and I was like look at us out here always the biggest smiles on our faces ready to consume yeah that's the happiest time when you can stay hopeful before you've actually seen the show oh yeah big news on the Broadway front though Audra and Gypsy are we excited or what my god, this isn't until next week. It comes out on yes, next week.
Okay. June 5th.
So I'm doing a special guest every night in my Ohio Theater gig. I had Casey Musgraves and Kristen Chenoweth last night.
So this weekend I have Dear Adrian Warren, who's like, oh, amazing. And before I knew about any of this Audra nonsense, we were going to sing If Mama Was Married from Gypsy we're going to do like the two sisters and I was like girl you should be playing Louise in this revival I don't know She should Can you imagine that turn that change in act 2 That would be incredible Just saying if George C.
Wolfe, which I'm sure he is. George, I thought you were going to say that Audra was going to join you for one of the palace shows.
I tried. She has her own concert gig.
She can't make it. That's the thing about Audra.
She's busy singing on her own. And that's how she rule a culture number 55.
That's the thing about Audra. She's busy singing on her own.
I love when the guest joins in on the rule of culture. It gives it an extra power.
Thank you. Well, it was about Audra She's busy singing on her own I love when the guest joins in On the Rural Culture It gives it an extra power Thank you Well it was about Audra I felt that I got license You know what I mean Absolutely But there will be good guests Besides Audra Sorry keep going So wait Can you spoil any that'll happen Like what's happening tonight Okay well this is all just to say If nobody like You know gets sick Or something happens Sure If all goes to plan, tonight is Leslie Odom Jr.
Wow. Tomorrow is my album release day.
So it's Noah Galvin. No, sweet.
And we're going to sing Two Most Wanted as Miley and Beyonce. You're fucking kidding.
Obviously. Wow.
Blew up our spot. There's big plans for a performance from the Culture Awards.
I would have no doubt about that.

On Saturday, we have a double whammy planned.

It's Rachel Zegler.

And then also my dear friend and co-star from Evan Hansen, Laura Dreyfuss,

is going to sing Only Us with me.

Oh, that'll be wonderful.

It'll be fun.

And then Sunday's Adrian Warren.

Wow.

So only the best.

Duh.

Only the vocal cords. Only the cords.
Duh. And he's drinking his Essentia like a good singer.
Leaders and leaders a day. You know, it was Ben who told the truth about vocal prep to the world, which is just have room temperature water.
Stop with all the tea. Stop with all the cold water.
Right? Isn't that so? It is true. Cold water fucks you up.
It's like it makes everything like really crackly and like really dry. And it's got to be room temp.
Although hot water with lemon is good for mucus. I will say that.
It's good for mucus. It's actually real code number 99.
Although hot water with lemon is good for mucus. I will say.
I already have this is amazing you're a fount Ben what was Nashville like so nice it's like weirdly slowly becoming LA but besides that it was so it was wonderful I mean a lot of the writers I've been wanting to work with forever are all there I I found it like really calming, wonderful place to write.

Also, I don't really know anyone else there

besides the people that I was writing with.

So it felt like very like blinders up,

no distractions.

Like, let me just immerse creatively in this

and just only do this.

And I loved it.

I'm playing two shows there in June.

Nashville.

Now tell me this.

Did you go to the Grand Ole Opry? I've never been to the Grand Ole Opry that's okay I'm playing the Ryman though so that's like second best what's the Ryman? Ryman Auditorium is like super you know storied vibes like Casey just played there and it's sort of if you're not going to play the Opry it's like a really beautiful little country venue. More traditional proscenium vibes.
I want to know, what is Casey like in person? Enchanting? Enchanting, gorgeous, like a stoner. Yeah, I was going to ask, is she trying to corrupt you? Because I know how good you are when you have to use your voice.
You don't even touch the stuff. No, she's the same when she has to sing.
We have similar types of vocal anxiety I think, but just like energetically like never gets above like a five in a really nice way. You know what I mean? Just like really even keeled.
I identify with that. I'm never above a five.
I'm very cool. We love a queen that sounds like the record always.
Oh yeah. And boy does she sound like the record.
She do. That's a clean tone.
That is some cerebrales shit. Oh, crystal crystal.
Crystal clear. So you are a consumer of the girls.
So I want to know, out of this wealth of pop girly output lately, what's risen to the top for you? Okay. The honorable mentions are

Deeper Well, of course.

Yes. Cowboy Carter,

Delicious.

The thing that I'm returning to the most

is

Miss Ari Grande. I knew you were going to say that.

I knew you were going to say that.

And I am with you. It is

every song is

the most

fine-tuned, delicious

bubblegum, perfect

Thank you. It is.
Every song is the most fine-tuned, delicious, bubblegum, perfect pop melody lyric ever. They're in my mind all the time.
Not in a way where you're like, get this song out of my mind. In a way where you're like, I'm going to go listen to that song right now.
And I'm thrilled that The Boy Is Mine is our next single because that was my favorite song from first Listen. And I just think she's like the greatest pop star of the generation.
I mean, obviously, we have feelings about Beyonce and I don't even call Beyonce like a pop star. It's a different situation.
But in terms of like a P.O.P. star, she's number one of our lifetime, I think.
Even intro end of the world is like, I'm going back to that all the time.

Yeah.

How do I know if I'm in the right relationship?

Yeah.

Thank you for a thesis statement right up top.

And then at the end,

when Nona answers the question,

she says,

you're in the wrong place.

Get out.

It's also like genre wise,

like it's so what I like started to wrap my brain around in terms of like why I love music. Like it does, it does remind me of Mariah and in like the late nineties, like it takes me back to that.
Like just those rich, rich, rich, like harmonies, the layers, just there's so much in the music. and it it's just I love that it's like 36 minutes long but tells like a complete story, it takes you on a journey you really feel all of her emotions to the point where towards the end when she's singing I Wish I Hated You and like wrapping up that relationship in terms of how it appears on the album like just that last chorus that that she sings, like in her heart is breaking and her voice is breaking.
I'm like, God, she fucking earned every second of this with what we've heard so far. Like just amazing.
And she's such a proponent for like, I mean, first of all, obviously we know she's one of the great instruments, but her vocal ability to not necessarily mean just like foot on the gas. Like there's so many different things that she does that have so much restraint

that take honestly so much more ability

that are so impressive.

And then also production-wise,

what you're saying about like the Mariah of it all,

I love when there's like electronic production elements

that are like very self-consciously retro electronic,

like very clearly a button being pressed

in a way that's like self-aware.

Do you know what I mean?

Like when it's not trying to pretend,

trying to pretend to be like a live room

or like something warm.

It's like,

Thank you. like very clearly a button being pressed in a way that's like self-aware.
Do you know what I mean? Like when it's not trying to pretend, trying to pretend to be like a live room or like something warm, it's like, this is deeply fun and self-aware. And like, I just think that it's, it's a home run on that front too.
1000%. But even on ordinary things, it's like that brass is like not totally like it belongs there.
You're like, Oh, I love it. it like this is the perfect way to meld all of these different ideas like you get the vocal recording the voice recording from Nona and like it all just like it's complete like I'm all for a let's say 30 track two hour long album let's say but i really like how concise that whole album is like i really like i think when she played it for me i was like i think this is your best and i wasn't sure that like now i'm quite positive that it is her best album in my mind i would tend to Yeah.
But then you remember there has been so much incredible work. And I was actually thinking about that as I was listening to your album, Ben, like this concept of like doing your best work.
It's like, cause as I was listening to it, I was like, this is his best work. This is the most cohesive, like best work.
And I wonder as an artist, like when you hear this is your best work, obviously that's a compliment at face value in and of itself. But I would imagine you're incredibly proud of the other great pieces of work you've put out.
And what I would imagine is the thing that's really great when it comes to you is it's like, you can't really even compare this to Reverie because it does something completely different. And is that the goal? Is it just like creating different bodies of work where you can say i did that thing now i'm doing this thing like is that a clear question yeah yeah totally i mean i think at least in terms of like writing my own music i try to like lead first and foremost from just like where i'm at like as a person and like let that be the guide as opposed to going in and I'd really like to do like Americana sound now, or like then my last album, like I'd really like to have a Peter Gabriel moment.
Like it's more like, because it was the pandemic and I was wanting, like I was feeling restless, like everybody and wanting an escape. Like I was loving writing songs that had like all that eighties electronic, like feeling to them.
And then that's sort of how that came to be. And in this case, you know case I've been with Noah now for a moment and I turned 30 and things are feeling

a little more settled and comfortable

in terms of understanding

myself and who I am and so

that felt a lot more

just organic to

a super plaintive unadorned

sound that lives in this more

Laurel Canyon, Paul Simon, James Taylor

kind of world and so saying best work, I think for me, it's like I'll always like what's happening now the best because it's the one I relate to the most. And the thing that I feel that I can still identify with.
I feel like sometimes I listen to other things I've done or watch other if I'm forced to, other projects that I projects that I've done and then like, I can have an appreciation for it. But like, it's such a hard thing.
I'm sure you feel this way too. It's like, you watch things or hear things and you're like, I could have done so much more or now I have such a better perspective or I don't know what I was thinking or like, that doesn't feel like me at all.
And it doesn't mean you don't love those things still, but I always will feel like the most proud of like the thing that I feel like paints me as I am right now. So, and also anytime anyone wants to say that something is good, that isn't my performance from Evan Hansen when I was 24 years old is like such a relief because when that ended, it was sort of like a, was this my, was this it? You know what I mean? So I'm just so grateful that there's been more acts at all i feel like you for a while now have transcended the eban hansen part of your life and career which is an incredible like it's an incredible benchmark in that sort of timeline but like i feel like for a while now you've really staked all these nice claims outside of that in a way that like makes it all coexist on the same plane but like with this album i really love i feel like fear of missing out is the thing that kind of like i'm happy stones it for me like it's like it's plaintive throughout the album but i feel like this is a song that represents like getting settled into something getting settled into this idea of like i don't need to be stimulated by all of these things that are happening outside of my world like i'm very eager to like decorate and adorn and have some knowledge around like my my little corner of the world or whatever yeah i think definitely other than like ad nauseum love songs to noah like the other main thing that I wanted to really express and like write about is just this understanding of like following your internal compass, which I feel like is easier said than done.
And like, particularly when what we all do and like, it's like very easy to want to like make the right move creatively, professionally, whatever, personally that like, it's the move you're supposed to make or the thing that others would like you to do or what you know will have the best external reaction, validation, etc. And being in this relationship and also just having other experiences like making theater camp with my friends and with Noah, I think has really just driven home that we we're all gonna tie like we need to just be

really trying to prioritize like the things that make us wake up and like feel excited and fulfilled

and like want to do this in the first place because like no matter how positive and wonderful

and experiences like by virtue of what we all do like there's gonna be so much shittiness that is

needed like you have to just get through to get to the good part and like critique and the internet and just there's all this stuff that's like it's not going anywhere so like if the thing itself is not filling you up then like really what's the point and so i think yeah just that sort of ability and like courage to settle into that thanks to having this partner who makes me feel like I can do that I think is exactly what I wanted to express. Okay so I wrote down a line from that song which is this is paraphrasing but scared of disappointing people I'll never see and then I've got the fear of missing out on me like do you think that not that it was the answer to be in a relationship, but that it really helped distract from all the other shit? Because like, sometimes I feel like, oh my God, I would die for one.
You know what I mean? Like for that. And honestly, sometimes when I feel really overwhelmed with kind of this idea of like, what do people think? Like, what should I do? Like, am I doing the right thing? I literally, I end up triggering myself and like missing being in a relationship.

Like as. of like, what do people think? Like, what should I do? Like, am I doing the right thing? I literally, I end up triggering myself and like missing being in a relationship, like as if that's the answer.
And then you say these things like, well, Noah's made everything beautiful and wonderful. So maybe it is the answer.
So should I just like, should we just settle now? Should we just like toss a line out, put a blindfold on and hope a good one bites? No, no. It's two things.
It's obviously is very helpful, but also like your girls in therapy working these things out alone too. But also like I would think the only thing worse than trying to come to these conclusions on your own would be doing it with someone that's not the right person for you to be doing it with.
And who's like leading you astray or like bullshitting you or blowing smoke or just like yes manning

you. I feel like that is an

even scarier like crap fall.

So no, no. Only if it's like

your person. Otherwise like you are

strong women that can stand on your own two feet.

Yeah. We definitely are strong

women but

it's hard. Sometimes

a bitch gets brought down. It's so true.
You know what I mean? I remember like when I was in a relationship, like it was so easy to be like, well, fuck this. I have a boyfriend.
You know what I mean? Like you storm away and go, I don't need this because I remember I got into a fight with one of our friends and like I remember saying like, you know what? I'm going to call my boyfriend and then like that fell apart in such an insane way and so i was just like well now i can't that was not a healthy thing to rely on because it was external and i guess that is the reason why your girls have to be in therapy because nothing helps like therapy nothing i'm obsessed of course that's why people say such nice things about it. It's like actually true.
Totally. I'm doing the EMDR.
And I said I was doing the EMDR and Bowen called it controversial. No.
What is EMDR? You hold the little things. It's like you hold two little pods and they vibrate.
And then basically like you close your eyes and sort of stream of conscious, like speak on whatever topic it is your therapist is talking about. And she sort of guides you through these different emotions.
And you kind of just don't stop yourself. And like you find every single time I've gone to therapy, it's like it's sort of like trauma stuff, but it doesn't mean it has to be like super intense.
Wait, but I'm still not clear on what you're holding. So basically, you're holding two little tiny pods,

and they vibrate rotationally.

So it's like...

Based on what you're feeling?

No, it's just to make your brain work a little faster.

I think it's kind of like fooling you

into making your brain move a little quickly.

It's making your brain play at 1.5 speed. Everybody has been there.
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All episodes streaming April 4th on Hulu. Is Noah here? Yeah, he is.
Noah, come on. We're talking about therapy.
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He flashed us. I love.
I'm really loving the blonde hair. It's really doing it.
That was what I said too. I think it's time to like reclaim sort of the M&M narrative.
Christ is blonde. Oh yeah.
You know, my thing is like people that are like, oh, he's in crisis. It's just like an easy, stupid thing to say.
And also, I guarantee you, if I was in crisis, I would not roll the dice on my hair.

I'm a gay guy.

Like, so much of my self-worth is on top of my head.

I wouldn't roll the dice on it.

I wouldn't.

I understand.

You look beautiful.

They were explaining to me EMDR.

We're talking about therapy.

Oh, my therapist told me about this recently.

What is that? It's pause. Oh, my gosh god you hold in your hand and they and they buzz rotationally they sort of buzz back and forth it's supposed to like make your brain move quicker so that you like stream of consciousness arrive at things that you may not and it's like you it's like you talk about traumatic memories while it happens it's like the's like the hearing test when you were younger, but like

for emotions. Can I say, I miss

just doing like, going to the nurse

and doing like a hearing test or a seeing

test. You know what I mean? When everything was just sort of like

raise your hand when you hear a beat.

Yes! When those were the

stakes.

Those were the stakes. I love you.

I love you. Love you, Noah.

Back to your thing.

We love you. The most stressful part of the year was the presidential fitness test.
Oh my god. The mile.
The mile. Did you have to run the mile? We ran the mile by running three cycles around the block of our school.
Oh, that's how they measured it? We had a track. See, the presidential, that was something I really placed a lot of value in

because I happened to be good at it because I couldn't do math.

And you love George W. Bush.

Love George W. Bush.

I mean, one of the great girls.

You know what was hard for me?

The sit and reach.

That's what I'm talking about.

You sit and you're supposed to touch your toes.

Legs out, you're supposed to touch your toes.

Yeah, that I can do.

I feel that you are flexible.

You sort of give flexible energy.

I mean, enough to like stretch out for singing.

I'm not like a dancer.

Noah's like a dancer.

Stretch out for singing?

Yeah, you got to get your whole body loosey-goosey.

Well, that's the title of app, unfortunately.

Stretch out for singing?

Stretch out for singing.

That's the title of app? You don't like it? It's not up to you. It's okay.
It's fine. It's okay.
He thinks because he said one of the rules in tandem with us, he can sort of dictate the title of app. I thought it was going to be Ghost Whisper, but I like Stretch for a 5%.
Oh, I do like Ghost Whisper. Let's make it about Casey.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure.
We'll make it about Casey. We can do that.
Wait, I have a kind of a scary question and you don't have to answer it when we were talking about like regarding your past selves through your work I imagine that is going to come up when you finish Merrily you know what I mean you're going to watch yourself back and be oh my god like who is that guy if we're all alive and the world is intact and like film still exists and people go watch film which all of which we don't know this is 16 years in the future so like fully don't know i think i mean i think it's just going to be such an emotional like scrapbook that i won't care. Like I think, right.
Because it's

like Beanie's in it with me and she's like my

lifelong friend and it's like Sondheim

which is

the angel of the world.

And like I just think I feel

so unbelievably happy that

it exists and I would be so

overjoyed if we literally made it to the finish

line that I think I would

be thrilled to watch it. I mean especially with my

God willing like maybe children

at that point like giving them

I'm going, my tummy this and my cheeks that and my whatever. But I'm so excited for, like, in 16 years to look at the early scenes and be like, God, look how fucking young and gorgeous.
Oh my God. That's the thing too, is it's like when you look back and you're like, why was I insecure? It's like, you wish you could tell yourself even from three years from now, it's just like, no, it's good now.
The thing that I'm fixated now lately is my fucking neck. And like, when I, it's, it's ridiculous.
It is ridiculous. What's wrong with your long statuesque neck? You guys but i feel like you know what happened what happened to me was i was in a video with bad lighting that did very well and because it was like a funny video like i bad lighting but did very well no no okay so i guess hosted love it or leave it last week and it was the live show.
And a clip from the live show, I told a story about how on 9-11,

I made my mom take me to go get the Mariah Carey album glitter.

Like, I threw a tantrum, and it was 9-11.

So, like, and it was a funny story.

I swear.

But I was, like, I was in this really bad lighting, and, like, it didn't look great,

and then it had me second-guessing my hair.

It was just like, and I was just like, you know what? This is not a video for me to watch. I'm never going to get permanence on this.
It's like when you're talking about watching your old work or watching new work and then what it does. My thing is I always appreciate it much later because in the moment, I'm always so critical of the way I look or what I've done.

We talk about this.

When I first saw Fire Island, I had a breakdown.

Oh, me too.

And we've all experienced that.

Bowen talks about it as well.

It's hard to engage with yourself

when you're already in a community that's so hard on itself.

It's unnatural.

I mean, it's like the internet alone of looking at images of yourself all day is like ruining everyone's mental health and self-esteem. And then on top of that, for your livelihood to depend on something where once again, you're confronted with your image all the time.
It's like, it's no wonder we're all so fucked up. We're all so fucked up.
You'll be in therapy, doing EMDR, squeezing things to buzz. I will say, the EMDR stuff like I pointed it out as controversial because of based on what I had read just textually and then anecdotally people were telling me like I forget like people at work were like oh no it's actually like it's actually been very helpful and I that's all I care about well I did tell my therapist that you said it was controversial.
No, why did he say that? And I was like, I don't know. I think he thought it was genuinely controversial.
She goes, okay, well, it is like, just so you know, it's not controversial. It's like a research thing, et cetera.
And I was like, I feel good about what we're doing. And then she gave me the pods and they began to buzz.
It's just to say, we've touched on it now, I would say, four times. Still have no idea what this is.

Look it up, bitch.

Matt is doing like, he's like putting his dukes

up and he's saying those are pods.

I'm imagining like stress ball

squeezers, but they vibrate.

I have yet to correctly

describe what it is and I'm realizing

when I try, it's because I don't

think I really know. I think it's kind of

just like everything in my life where someone just said

do you want to try this? And I'm like

yeah.

Great. I want to try it all.

Yeah, YOLO.

Are you a trier?

Am I a trier?

No, I'm afraid of everything.

But Noah is a really

amazing trier so it evens out.

Good for you guys to be married then.

Yeah, probably.

Probably balance each other out a bit.

That's right.

I know the invite list has to be big.

You guys have big families.

We're getting right in there.

Interesting.

We don't have to be on the list,

but we can be present in a way.

What would you guys...

We can share one seat.

If I were to hire you as vendors,

what is the service that you would offer? I think we would write poetry? You know what we could do at the Podgalvin wedding? We could be party motivators at bar and bat mitzvahs and stuff. Just go up to the tables and be like, come on, Mama June! In this world, there's someone there named Mama there's someone there named Mama June.
Mama June. Like a bar mitzvah style at our wedding.
Oh my God. So basically Ben is looking at Noah off camera and I'm imagining that like, it's like they heard us being like, so what can we do? Can we be invited? And Noah's off camera like, no.
No, no, no. We are capped.
No, no, Ben, do not. No, he's on camera being like, ask them if they'll be dancers.
But party motivators is good. We'll dance, we'll do it all.
We'll stretch to sing, we'll stretch to dance. Party motivators.
There was a, I was at a party once. I think it was a Sweet 16 or something where there was a party motivator and it was mortifying to be like a 13 year old, like gay preteen, like gangly, like going through it, like in terms of the growth spurt and have this like confident 20 something gorgeous sort of run over to you, like shaking her like shoulders like this and being like, come on, Matthew, get up.
This is a party after all. Come on, boo.
And like making me move my horrible limbs. Like, wait, she sounds like you.
No, honestly, she was Sari because I could, I knew she was me. I knew she was a confident me.
Yeah. You saw yourself reflected.
It was just, I couldn't imagine being confident enough to dance over to strangers and be like, let's go! But now I can. Yeah.
That's the way that I would like peacock at bar mitzvahs because I was like the only usually self-desk kid or maybe there was like one other one, but it would be like me and the girls going absolutely off and the guys just sitting at the table in their like sneakers and suits. And also if there's a boy dancer, if you're going to actually do this, you have to wear a too tight for you black t-shirt.
That's no problem. I have a drawer full.
Lost Cult has... We've become the poser children for sex.
We're taking a turn towards fitness. Bowen is showing his butt in a movie.
What? Yeah. That's so exciting.
A hiney shot. That's what I call it.
Because Rosie O'Donnell used to, whenever she'd have a male guest on her show back in the day, right before the interview would end, she would go, any hiney shots? I remember years ago watching Rosie O'Donnell. I would get sick at school.
I would fake it a lot.

So I could come home and watch Rosie O'Donnell sometimes.

That's so gay.

She's so gay.

She had Mark Wahlberg

on her show one time

and this was like, you know, he was Marky

Marking and he was so hot.

And she was still doing her thing of like, I'm flirting

with these guys on my show. So she was like, any hiney shots? And he goes, a little hiney shot.
A little hiney shot. And then you came instantaneously.
Yeah. So hot to think about.
Not anymore, sadly, but he was. Yeah, I mean, other things get in the way with him now.
Stuff has gone down. It's too much to unsee, but, you know, we had our time.
Yeah. Did you guys see Dennis Quaid's big announcement? He's come out and said that he's going to vote for Trump.
What? And the quote was this. A lot of people say he's an asshole, but he's my asshole.
Come on. He's my asshole.
what the man said. No.
Your asshole is on your person. He's not your asshole.
You've had one all along. It's the ruby slippers.
It's been with you. Just one of the most colossal flops.
I will just take the image of him with the open chest hair with Meredith Blake

and the parent trap and leave the rest.

Just let that be yours.

You know what I mean?

It's like Harry Potter.

If Dennis Quaid as a child meant something to you

when he opened up his shirt a little bit

and showed that chest hair

engaged to Meredith Blake,

don't let it ruin it for you.

You know what I mean?

Don't let what's happened ruin it for you.

It's like that and Hermione and then they can both go away. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. Harry Potter.
No, no. What are our thoughts? Just kidding.
Just kidding. Well, Daniel's in Merrily.
I know. Wait, did you see the Merrily? Did you go for research? Of course way, for people that don't know, like Ben and Beanie are shooting with Richard Linklater of Boyhood fame.
Like every year, they're doing Merrily the right way, which is every year they're shooting like a chapter of this story. And it's going to come out in like 16 years or whatever the fuck it is.
Like when it's all done. So he's doing what he did with Boyhood with Merrily.
And that's what we're talking about when we're talking about like the watching and many years and looking back so did you go to see Merrily on Broadway? Oh Paul Meskel? Yeah he's Frank. Wow you really nailed the casting.
I mean come on. Yeah I saw it off Broadway and on Broadway I thought it was wonderful.
I loved it the three of them are so impeccably cast cast together. They just really jive and gel and they bring different energies and you really believe their sweet love.
And then it makes it sad when it goes away. And I thought it was as, again, like you were saying, it's like, I think if we can make it, the ultimate way to do it is actually really to watch that de-aging process happen.
But as far as like making it work on stage and playing up and then playing down, it's the best version I could imagine, really. Right.
That's going to be so emotional. That's going to be a lot of tears.
Yeah, let's... Watching yourself de-age? No, don't.
But I'll be watching it with Google glasses on my own deck. You know what I mean? In private.
On Mars. In my scupa suit to be outside in the environment.
It'll be great. Well, how do we save cinema? That's a good question.
I think probably we try Batgirl again. Yeah.
Yeah. I think more sequels, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah i have to say like with furiosa like quote-unquote flopping like bowen and i fucking loved mad max fury road but i think i think the reason why i didn't go see furiosa and like didn't have like top of mind plans to see furiosa is because i do feel like when I see the preview for that movie, I do feel

like I've seen that movie already. You know what I mean? Like people are all throwing out their theories about like why the box office is flopping and everyone has like their ideas about why it's not been a great year, why it hasn't been a great couple of years.
But like, I think my thing is, it just feels like every movie that comes out, even if they are really quality, which this is, apparently.

I just feel like I have seen it. And I think that's like a thing with the sequels of it all.
It's just like the sequel and prequel fatigue is just like, it's very real because we're not getting anything new. Yeah.
I mean, I feel like so out of touch, but like the, the things I consider to be eventized are like, so not the things that I guess like the general public would consider to be eventized. I was like, Oh my God, like your ghost and poor things.
And I'm like, I'm getting out of my apartment and going to see that with a crowd. Like, but like Marvel number 27, I'm like, not, that doesn't really thrill me.
Who cares? But I think that we're all on the same page about like that we that we are in tune with the general public where they're like, we don't really care about the next, like, Marvel 27. But what I find interesting is that with Wicked, like, it is like, oh, we have made a musical look like a Marvel film, which has never really happened before.
I think it's thrilling. I mean, oh, but I just realized that...
You've seen it. Have you seen it? You must have seen it.
I don't know. He might have.
No, no, no, no, no. He's lying.
W-O-H, Word of Honor. Would love to.
Have not. I've seen some BTS packages maybe that haven't come out yet, but I haven't seen the film.
But every little lick of footage I've seen has looked stunning and glorious, and I can't wait. And it's finally a musical that's big enough and fully realized enough the way that it absolutely should be.
And we all need to show up. Oh, we will.
I'm not worried about Wicked at all. I'm not worried about Wicked.
Wicked. It's about candles.
Teal Wicked. You know what's cool about Wicked, too? Like, Wicked, not that, like, people weren't aware of the fact that it was a musical, but more than any other movie musical, like, in the trailer, you get that it's a musical.
Oh, yeah. But people still have gripes about, we didn't see anyone singing.
Like, we didn't see the note come out of Cynthia's mouth. You know what I mean? Which I think is...
No matter what comes out, the internet's going to be like, there was too much... The color saturation was crazy.
It's like, okay. You go make this movie for four fucking years.
For 20, for God's sake.

Everyone always knows better,

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Yeah, that's right.

Except the three of us right now.

We know better, but everyone else doesn't.

And they should shut up.

That's a rule of culture.

That is a rule of culture.

I forget how long it was. Ben, you're allowed to stay a rule of culture.
It's not. It's not.
It's not. It's not.
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We have a category, Best Song from Wicked.

Oh, have you announced the nominations? No.

By now we have.

Okay, what are they?

Let me read them.

Yeah, and then we'll have you choose.

These are the nominees for Best Song from Wicked. The nominees may surprise you.
Okay, what are they? Let me read them. Yeah, and then we'll have you choose.
These are the nominees for Best Song from Wicked. The nominees may surprise you.
Okay. If something bad's not on there, I don't want to hear this, but keep going.
Well, you might be a muck. Okay, hold on.
Watch this space. Best Song from Wicked.
The nominees are, Thank Goodness, I'm Not That Girl. I'm Not That Girl reprise.
What is this feeling? Also, low-key, some of you are still calling this song loathing and we clock it every single time although Stephen Schwartz and Stephen Remus do call it loathing the people in general call it loathing they need to answer to that okay fair One Short Day March of the Witch Hunters something Something Bad, and Dear Old Chiz, No Defying Gravity, No Good Deeds Snubbed, Wizard and I Snubbed. Yeah, but these are all the real ones.
It's honestly, there's a lot of comets in this category. A lot of comets.
Yeah. Flying high.
I have two knee jerks. You have two knees.
So this is believable what you said. Because they both could have jerked the left and the right knee.
My vote would be garnered by either I'm Not That Girl Reprise. Thank you so much! Or March of the Witch Hunters.
Because especially in the musical, the reveal of her behind the Witch Hunters, every time shivers goosebumps. Shivers goosebumps.
But also, Bach is like going off. With the witch! Yeah, of course.
You know what I realized we forgot? Because low-key, it's not on the Spotify thing because it's not on the fucking album, which is, I'll never get over, is

the wicked witch of

these. Yeah, of course.

Zoom rejected your

pitch, by the way. They did?

Well, not on my recording.

Zoom silenced your ass.

Sorry. Listen, I don't care

what anyone says.

I made noise. I'm hoping we

get that. I mean, again, something I

legitimately do not know the answer to, but I hope

that we get that on this new

Thank you. what anyone says.
I made noise. I'm hoping we get that.
I mean, again, something I legitimately do not know the answer to, but I hope that we get that on this new film album. See, Bowen is famous for being like, I think I can say this and then dropping something crazy about the movie.
Oh, well, like, the internet got my ass for saying that Dilliman would be played by a woman, which I never said.

I never said that Dilliman would be played by a woman.

Yeah.

Like it's crazy.

These girls will just make shit up.

Yeah. But girl,

you speak too much.

You play too much.

You did this with Ariana Grande's album too.

He was on fucking Twitch and he goes,

yes,

I've heard the new Ariana Grande album.

Yes.

It's definitely going to be this.

And she definitely worked with this person. And I was, and then the media picked that up too and she was like oh my god I love it you talked about it you meant that like spiritually Dillamond is a woman you know what I mean exactly it was a puppeteer named Louisa it was a puppeteer named Louisa and I wanted to give her flowers because she was amazing.
And then the internet took that to mean that Dilliman would be played by a woman. And then they were like, it's going to be Adina.
And I'm like, that is the stupidest thing. And Dina is Dilliman.
Like, imagine that call. Like, hey, Adina, it's us.
Like, we know you've been interested in a cameo. You're going to be Dilliman, boo! Like like, oh my god.
How dare you guys. I am really pulling for I'm not that girl reprise just because I'm not that girl.
And it goes into a fucking It's Glinda's only real alto note in the whole show. Yeah, she gets to really hit that note.
Don't wish, don't start wishing only wounds the heart. Love it.
You kidding me? It's a good show, this Wicked. This Wicked is a good show.
Okay, I don't think I can say this. No, no, no, no.
This is what I'll say. I don't think so many everyone being like, oh, why is it in two parts? If Define Gravity is going to be in the first part,

then what's there to wait for in the second?

There is so much.

I'm not that girl reprise.

I'm not that girl reprise.

First of all, for good

and the end of that movie,

of that show, that is

the end of the story. Don't worry

that it's not going to feel exciting.

It's just what you're getting now is a really intense climax and finale for the first movie that would feel really weird if it was one movie and that was just the middle of the movie. You need to break them up.
They're actually narratively and in terms of a viewing experience, the show is supposed to end after Defying Gravity. That's why there's an intermission.
And so basically what you're getting is an intermission.

You are getting the show, but it's two movies.

I understand, of course, why there'd be people out there being like,

oh, it's a money thing.

It's a money thing.

But I think it would be weird to have Defying Gravity in the middle of that movie.

I really do.

Famously, tourists early on used to leave at intermission because they thought that was it.

Right.

Famously.

They were like, well, they can't go up from here.

So that must be the end.

She gets away.

She gets away.

But this is, here's what I'm saying.

The people who are involved in this

film, me excluded,

care deeply

about this.

And, except for me. No, I'm just kidding.

But like, it will be okay. It will be okay.
Of course. I have no doubts because I know my girl is in it.
And when he touched that hat and said, what's this? I said, this is representation and it matters. Mean gay guy.
Do you think the representation matters? You've never said that before publicly. Is this to me? Yes.
No. I think we have enough.
I think that's good. Of course it does.
Yeah. I've staken my whole life on just being like I'm gay.
Isn't that important? Look how gay I am. Listen to my gay love songs.
gay love songs. Gay.
Jew, Jew, Jew gay. So you did, was it acid or mushrooms that made you say the title is Honey Mind? Chocolate mushrooms, of course.
I'm going to try acid. Is acid better? I think you would like it if you were out in nature and if you were with your beloved and your close friends.
It's not like chesty anxiety-y? I don't think so.

I think that it would

depend on how much you took. Here's what

I would say. Go rent a house

upstate. Bring a nice

vinyl. Let's throw out there.

The new Maggie Rogers.

Also great and very underrated.

Underrated. It's a bit crowded year.

Spin it. Take your half a tab.

Walk around. Look at the moon.
See what it tells you. Oh, so nighttime.
I feel starting the day going to night. Does it last that long? Oh, yeah.
Oh, okay. That's what we did.
Bowen and I did that years ago. We had an emotional breakthrough.
And then you woke up and your hair was blown.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess.

Spiritually. I literally went outside, stared at the moon, and listened to

an underrated Maggie Rodgers song

called Better. And I listened to

that on acid and I was like,

I will never forget this.

I think you'll like it then.

Okay. And on the other side of the house

I was up looking at the moon listening to Light On, which is, of course, her biggest single. Like, this is speaking to me.
I love that first album. Just really.
Oh, amazing. It was my personal, like, John Hughes coming of age film, that whole album.
I listened to it for, like, my whole entry into adulthood. Like, if Girls, the show, was,, was one album, it would be Maggie Rogers' first album.
That is really astute. Wow.
You know? Period. Both things that I love.
You know what I heard the other day, and it reminded me, I think it was in the trailer for Girls Season 2, Ellie Goulding, Anything Can Happen Anything Can Happen. I was like, this girl really gives it to you sometimes.
Oh, yeah. Of course.
Also, the music on Girls was consistently phenomenal. It was giving Grey's Anatomy tastemaker vibes.
It was giving tastemaker vibes. It was giving Robin writing the suite.
We don't have to go there. I don't think that there will ever be a better end to an episode of television ever than her writing that tweet.
Drafting that tweet, sending it, and Allison Williams coming in. The reveal to her that Elijah was gay the whole time, and they danced the dancing on their own, and they hug, and the smash on the beat at the end of the chorus.
I mean, come on. And just her reaction to the news and just immediately embrace it and just be like, that's funny.
Yeah, he's gay. It's like, that's friendship.
It's just like letting it roll off your back. We should do a whole Girls Rewatch podcast.
I think that already exists. I think people want it from us, though you know we're doing an olympics podcast is that real oh yeah thoughts but what does that mean like are you gonna go like event by event that's one way to go about it i i'm down to like really go through each event and be like okay so what should we know about this and who are the players and who are the stars and blah blah blah blah so like for someone like me who's like not well versed i could listen and you could help me like this is a perfect podcast for you because we don't know anything about anything perfect and so it's really gonna be for the for the every day this podcast because it's truly hosted by two people who just this isn't their culture i have to say maybe years ago like the summer olympics was my culture.
When was the last time the Olympics was something you gave energy to? 2012, maybe? London? I watched the clips afterwards that everybody tells me I need to watch. I've never been a full tune-in to the Olympics girl, but I guess maybe this would be my opportunity if I'm following along with your podcast.
I think so. And I think we can really talk about the bodies.
Absolutely. Yeah, of course.
I just will never forget, this is a Winter Olympics thing, but one of my sexual coming of ages was Apollo Anton Ono. Ooh.
Apollo Anton Ono, the speed skater, and later Dancing with the Stars, I think winner. Yeah, I think so too.
The man had an ass. I bet he still has it.
Oh my God. I didn't stand a chance.
I guess I was like 12 or something. There was no way around his ass.
I was just like, I am so seated for this because he is the hottest man I've ever seen wow just pour one out for Apollo I mean where but do we need to like what happened no nothing I'm sorry does that mean a bad thing happened pour one out like to me means like commemoration like oh god no I don't mean that I mean just like like I don't know celebrate to him yeah celebrate I think it's because the last time I heard the expression, pour one out, I called my dad because Jimmy Buffett died. And he said, I'm at the beach pouring one out for Jimmy.
And I was like, oh my God, this is so heartbreaking. Dad.
A little bit of Buffett on this album from you. Yeah.
Are you serious? Really? I mean, you know, it's giving singer-songwriter acoustic guitar-driven some stuff. I mean, absolutely not.
Yeah, there's this song called Margarita on the Rock. Thank you.
I'll take that. I will say All American Queen is giving notes of Paul Simon and Jimmy and Buffett.
Fair to say? Yeah, just add a little bit of faggot. Yeah, totally.
If you listen to Jimmy Buffett and add a little bit of faggot, you get better. You actually really don't.
I remember when I was little, my parents were huge parrot heads. I had just started watching American Idol, so I, of course, thought I knew everything about singing.
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All right, so we've hit the moment in the show where it's time to turn to I Don't Think So Honey. This is a segment we all know love tell me guess you forgot I didn't forget I just didn't come prepared but you guys go and then I'll think so what what's the difference there uh I don't know I was don't put on your shy voice don't start talking in your in your little soft tenor he's in between shows at the palace sorry right so um for those of you uh who also you who also may have forgotten, I Don't Think So Honey is a 60-second segment where we talk about something in culture and we sort of, you know, we air grievances.
I have something that it's going to be very frustrating for a while, but it's just now come to my attention that this is going to be the case. And so I'm going to do my I Don't Think So Honey.
Matt Rogers I don't think so honey time starts now I don't think so honey I'm already stressed out about the best actress Tony Ray's next year I mean Audra McDonald versus Nicole Scherzinger this is going to be I mean if you thought things have been difficult in the past things are about to get really hard things are about to get really tough in this country because let me tell you. Not only are we going to have whatever happens with the election later in the year, sorry to bring it up, but then almost a few months later, we're going to have a Tony Awards that is going to tear this country apart.
Because we're going to have half the country that are saying, Audrey McDonald is playing Mama Rose. I mean, that is a six-time Tony winner playing the greatest musical musical role of all time how do you get better than that i have to tell you i don't think so honey if you haven't seen nicole scherzinger tear it up in sunset boulevard and she's gonna tread the boards in new york and i know she's gonna be galvanized because if i can trust nicole scherzinger to be one one thing.
It is galvanized and it is going to be behind her eyes. We're in for it.
I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.
She is spilling blood, letting it drip off her chest onto the boards of Broadway. Li-ta-ra-li.
I didn't think about that until now. And now I'm so stressed.
You haven't thought about it? It's all I've been able to think about is the fact that one of those women is going home empty-handed and I have to say... Tie.
It's a tie. I guess.
Face value. Let's give Nicole one.
This would be Audra's seventh. Again, I have not seen their performance.
It could be no contest. Like, that's just how talented she is.
Audra should just hop on as a producer because we know to win Revival and then she gets one anyway. I wonder if she is a producer already.
That's a good question. Yeah.
Just as insurance because she needs one too. But you know that's not the same.
Six is not enough. Six is not enough.
Hashtag let's start a campaign. Hashtag six is not enough.
But I don't want to do that campaign because I want it for Nicole bad. I can't wait to see her.
You didn't go over to the West End? Did you? Yeah. Is she insane? That's hot.
It is. I don't know how you give a better, more thrilling.
Well, I've seen you, so I do know how. But like, it's no, don't tell me to shut up.
Don't fucking tell me to shut up. I have a line.
I have a boundary. No, I don't know.
It's so good. I can't wait.
I can't wait. Bowen? No, I'm thinking about next year's Tonys, and it is just like, it's going to be thrilling because Cole is in the mix.
Oh, forget it. It's going to be nuts.
We're going to have to get you back out there to present, Bo, and say this is six. Bo and I iconically introduced the Tony performance of Selma.
Oh, I remember. Oh, my God.
My best reception ever, not at the Tony Awards themselves, but at the rehearsal earlier that day, where all of the people, all of the crew working the Tonys were in the mezzanine at radio city. And I like, whatever they go.
Okay. And now Bowen walks out and I walked out and then like people cheering for the mezzanine being like, this is the most applause I've ever, this is the most spirited applause I've ever gotten in anywhere.
And it was at 2 PM on a Saturday. It was great.
I don't think you realize how exciting it is to see you. It's thrilling.
It's always so exciting to see you. That's very nice.
First time I met Cynthia. Really? At the Tony Boy's rehearsal.
And that was a very nice vibe. Was she lovely? She was lovely.
I'm such a fan. I really am.
I watch this Night Live. I do.
You know what was the most Cynthia Erivo thing

that happened to me was I was reading like middle the most Cynthia Erivo thing that happened to me I was reading incredibly well in all over your age I sang so so well I was reading middle march on set and then she comes up and she goes what is that I was like oh it's a book by George Elliot but it's actually a woman and she you know George Elliot was her like pen comes up and she goes, what is that? I was like, oh, it's a book by George Eliot, but it's actually a woman. And she, you know, George Eliot was her like pen name and whatever.
She goes, I'm going to buy that. I'm going to read that.
And then next day she's like, I love it. I love it so much.
She started reading it that day? I was like, book influencing. Probably at 5 a.m.
on the treadmill. She cracked open that book.
Her and Michelle Yeoh every morning, 5 a.m., getting up, doing a crazy workout every day before work. She is bananas.
Wow. I mean, it shows.
She looks unbelievable. I'm so excited for what this is going to...
She's already a full superstar, but she's Elphaba. She's going to be Elphaba in Wicked.
Oh my god. Seeing West End Wicked is a fucking hoot.
I loved it. It's fun.
They say room allocations instead of room assignments. Right.
They do. That's the biggest difference.
Room allocations. I like that she's American in the movie because it's like the only way she's supposed to be different from everyone is her greenness and so she should be the same everywhere every other way but maybe Johnny is British Johnny's British that works though yeah he's a prince he's a winky prince twinkie prince and then I think that's the only Brit I'm missing one oh no I think I think Peter Dinklage.
I think Dillamond is British. Is male and British.
He's a British man. He looks like a British man.
What movie? AMAB. AMAB AMAB King Peter Dinklage Actually it's rule of culture number 99 AMAB King Peter Dinklage She looks like a British man as Mean Girls, of course.
Yeah, of course. Bowen, you really do know your culture.
Oh, I just got a text from maybe colon Ilhan Omar. Oh, great.
The political texts are popping off. Of course they are.
Okay, so this is Bowen's I Don't Think So, Honey. Are you ready, galvanized and free? Yes.
Bowen Yang's time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Barbecues, it ain't all it's cracked up to be. You want smoke in the lung.
You want a half-cooked piece of chicken. You're getting food poisoning at the function, and the conversation's not going to be that great.
The music's not going to be loud enough because we're too afraid to, you know, get a complaint. None of it is what you want it to be.
I'm sorry. I love, we all love barbecue in theory, don't we? 30 seconds.
But then when you have to like get out the coal or you have to like figure out how you're going to like, like the thing, it's, it's too much. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
Everybody summer's just beginning. It's really season, but it's not going to live up to the fantasy unless you're really good at the tongs, unless you're really good at opening up.
But yeah, first of all, five seconds, good luck. If you have to clean out the fucking vents from the year before, because that is going to put you off from the whole fucking thing.
I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.
I will say, I will shout out Jared again. We just had a small, tiny moment at his house where he barbecued for a few friends.
You just have to get someone who isn't like, yeah, I can do it. You have to get someone that's going to take the grilling seriously.
Yeah. I was going to say, Noah, you haven't been to a barbecue that Noah has been in charge of.
It's a different kind of experience. Well, maybe if he does it at the wedding, we can, you know, you can throw us some meat on the side because we'll be working the event.
Well, you'll be so tired from the motivational dancing. Right.
Right. You'll need some protein.
Yeah. He's a great chef, so like it'll taste really good, but he just takes the timing seriously.
He doesn't put it on others. We, we, we position the grill in a proper place.
It's, it place it's it can be done in a meaningful way but i do agree that a slapdash barbecue is not always a fun experience maybe i'm too used to slapdash barbecue it's like one of those things too where like you never want to really volunteer unless it's so you're so confident you can do it because i've actually at our fire island Island house, Balan, remember this? I was like, oh, grill. And then one of our guests came over and was like, I'm so sorry.
I need you to get out of the way. I'm going to take over.
But this person came over and was like, you know what? They were right to kick me off. Like, I didn't know what I was doing and everyone would have been having a worse experience.
But if you have someone that's truly a grill master, which is... These are few and far between.
I would agree. But Noah Galvin...
Yeah, well he's not certified but he's a master of the grill. It should be a certification that you need to have in order to man a grill.
Do you cook? When we first started dating, the gas in my apartment was turned off and Carrie Bradshaw style, I was storing clothes in my oven. In the oven.
Oh. But at this point I can like, I can like sue, you know, I can, I can clean as he goes and chop for him and stuff.
You can sue. Okay.
I thought you said you could stew. And I was like, well, Bowen Yang is going to.
I exclusively make stew. That's like Bowen.
Really? Do you love stew Bowen? I love stew year round

really?

yeah

just cause you like throw her all in there

and she just simmers and there she is

or what about it do you love?

no it's that

it's like

it's perfect stoner food

it's like

yeah

oh

it just really hits every

spot

love it

as Taylor Tomlinson recently said

a stew is just soup

with something to say

that's perfect Thank you. really hits every spot.
Love it. As Taylor Tomlinson recently said, a stew is just soup with something to say.

That's perfect.

I thought that was really apt.

I thought it was beautiful.

Well,

Bo,

looking ahead,

I hope that you have people around you that can barbecue this summer and

aren't playing in your face.

I just think like,

look, I love a public space. I love a public park with grills.
The smoke do billow. The smoke do go into other spaces.
And it's like, oh, we're just trying to play cards here on our blanket. But we're getting the draft.
We're getting the down draft from the grill

that's like 200 feet away.

Spatial awareness is going to be huge this summer

when it comes to creating smoke, fire, and more.

Period.

So now it's time for Ben Platt's

I Don't Think So Honey.

Are you ready, galvanized and free?

Noah galvanized?

In between two.

Oh, Noah galvanized. You've heard of him.
Yeah, Noah galvanized Yeah, Noah Galvanized. His drag name is Noah Vale, but I do also like Noah.
Noah Vale. Wait, can I try this? Because Bowen is not sold on my drag name, but I'll try it out on you.
Splash-a-cram. I like Splash-a-cram.
I was never against Splash-a-Crayon you do that thing you always do to me which is yeah the iconic first name Splasha no that's not also one that I heard recently that's not for me but that I think is good is Sharon Elise like Sharon Elise Sharon Elise or Alexa Pro Alexa Pro. Okay, you ready? Yeah.
You're between two. Do you need help to decide? One is so niche and one is bratty.
Niche and bratty. I think you can make the niche one bratty.
Let's do niche. Okay, I'll do niche.
Okay. This is Ben Potsdam.
I don't think so, honey. Time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. On DoorDash, when they tell you it's going to come at a certain time, and then they're showing you the path of the car coming towards you, and they fill time by creating a gridded path on every street heading to your house, when you know for a fact that is not the path that the car is taking.
They're just trying to pretend that he's on his way or his bike or his feet or whatever it is. He has not even left the business.
He's dropping off somebody else's food. He's fucking somebody else's girlfriend.
He's not headed towards you and it's telling you don't worry. He's just turning right and he's also decided to take this left as well.
And I also have 30 more seconds. I'm going to throw in the other one.
I don't think so, honey. Straight people asking me, what am I going to do for Pride? Because I don't know what am I going to do for Pride.
I'm just going to be gay and hang around other gay people like I do the rest of the year. It's like, yeah, this is what I'm going to do for Pride.
What are you going to do for Pride, sir? Are you going to advocate for us? Are you going to go to a parade? Are you going to take your shirt off? What are you going to do for Pride? Are you going to come see me at the palace? You should do that for Pride. I'm just going to be continuing to live and cohabitate with my same-sex partner.
Thank you so much. 59 and a minute.
I don't think so, honey. That is one minute.
Good for you. I was just in Palm Springs Memorial Day weekend.
Those bars were filled with I'm sorry, but bachelorette parties. Not to say that Palm Springs is an exclusively gay thing.
It's fine. It's just like you get the sense that now more than ever, and I love the straight girlies, but at the gay bar during Pride, it's like that's not really your space.
When the real hospitals of Salt Lake City went to Palm Springs and stayed at the Trixie Motel and then they went over to like the gay bars and stuff I was like I think this has changed forever and it did like it was different this year than it's ever been wow because of Salt Lake I mean I don't know I can't I haven't researched my findings those were historic episodes they certainly They certainly were. And I wouldn't take them back at all.
But I just noticed that the gay bars in Palm Springs this Memorial Day weekend, it was a different situation than years past, for sure. Okay.
When is that going to come back, Salt Lake? It's done. They've shot the season.
The fall. The ladies did very well at the last culture resource culture awards nominations they did really well they're up for the Bene Gesserit award for a group of women that slay for most slay group of women most slay group of women they're up for best picture literal.
Is it the Last Supper picture?

It is.

No, it's the one for Women on a Beach.

Oh, of course, of course.

Yeah.

The Last Supper picture, though, is...

It's pretty good.

Oh, that got snubbed.

It got snubbed, and we're getting a lot of flack

for snubbing the rumors and nastiness

and receipts-proof timeline screenshots.

Rumors?

But listen, we don't control it. It's like we don't control the nominations.
Sorry. I understand.
Someone else. That's okay.
The last separate picture will get like an Obie or something. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.
Speaking of nominations, I nominate Ben as one of our best guests, one of our favorite people. That's nice.
This album is so good. I absolutely loved listening to every second of it.
Honey Mind is streaming now and you got to go see Ben at the palace. You just have to.
You'll be giving yourself a big gift, like I said. And if you don't live in New York, I'm going on tour after that.
So I'm coming somewhere near you. So come see me..
It'll be pretty much the same thing. Stream Honeymind now, I said.
Matt was saying he nominates Ben. I have the envelope in my hand.
Oh. And the winner is...
Ben Platt! Ben Platt! Babe, you won! Babe, you won. Wake up.
My adrenals are so shot from the palace they don't even know how to react. You gotta go see him quick before his adrenals totally give out.
Because they're on their last legs. Thank you for this award.
He's chugging room temperature water just for you. From the whole episode, it's gone.
That's good. You need your strength.

We love you, Diva.

Love you guys.

Thanks for having me back.

Of fucking corks.

We end every episode

with a song.

Don't wish.

Don't start.

Wishing only

wounds the heart.

That's the girl he chose.

Is that the right one?

There's a girl I know.

There's a girl I know.

Give me a little chenno.

He loves her so.

I'm not that girl. I'm giving a lot of fury.
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