"Ghost Whisper" (w/ Ben Platt)

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Speaker 2 If you think that I forgot when you did an impression of Michiko Kakutani in your SNL, did you actually do Michiko Kakutani for your SNL auditions?

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Speaker 2 And they said, this is for everyone.

Speaker 2 Eric Kenward, producer, little Harvard guy, was like, I really liked your Michiko. Shut up.

Speaker 2 Damn it. And I went in there and did Anthony and didn't book.
What do you know?

Speaker 2 You didn't pander to the Harvard boys.

Speaker 2 That was my problem. That was my big issue.
I can only be me, a gay guy. White gay guy.

Speaker 2 Down with us all. But not our guest.

Speaker 2 But not our guest. Can I say, first of all, just like catching up on music,

Speaker 2 I was side-eyeing this Camilla era, and now I'm bopping my head. I think he knows.

Speaker 2 Wanna play with him like that? that?

Speaker 2 I was side-eyeing the era. I was side-eying it.
I actually refused to acknowledge it as culture. Now the second single has come out and I'm like, maybe I think she knows.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, she is doing this thing really well, which is, and they've talked about this on popcast deluxe

Speaker 2 where they talk about pop music. I think we'd all like it.
Everyone in the Zoom. Yeah.

Speaker 2 They're like the thing with the duet album and even though I adore the duet album is it's slippery. There's no like meme ability to it.
It like it needs some edge.

Speaker 2 It needs some like, it needs a rough service. It needs like serration.

Speaker 2 Serration. Like a serrated edge.
So Camilla is very serrated. Yes.
Because like, even from like, I love it. I love it.
I love it. Like, even that is like, well, this is going to do numbers.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Did you see the clip of Lana Del Rey weekend? Yes. Hello.
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Speaker 2 so this is an interesting turn for how you thought award shows could go and how nominations could go but returning to the point did you see the second weekend of coachella camila came out in the spot where billy came out that's what lana goes that's what i'm referencing lana goes i love it i love it i love it i love it

Speaker 2 in her like lana sort of ghost whisper

Speaker 2 essentially real culture number 18. Lana Del Rey.
That's like a ghost whisper.

Speaker 2 Fantasmus. Like Jennifer Love Hewitt before her.

Speaker 2 Like Jennifer Love Hewitt before her. This is a Lana Del Rey stand podcast.
This is also a Honeymind Stan podcast.

Speaker 2 Can I tell you? Oh my God. It sucks to say this because I don't think it's true.
It sucks to say this. No, what I'm about to say.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's true, but I listened to this and I was like, finally, music.

Speaker 2 Because there's been so much music, but finally, I was like, you know, and what I think I mean by that is I was like, this is taking you back to the 70s, FM. This is very John Denver vibes.

Speaker 2 The vocal harmony, the man has the best voice in the business.

Speaker 2 If you thought. He laughs.
Oh, a gay guy can't make a Judy Sill album. Oh, a gay guy can't make a Paul Simon album.
You're dead wrong.

Speaker 2 Here's what I'd say.

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Speaker 2 So today is actually an auspicious day, bro, because today, for the first time in Lost Culture Reese's history, we're doing a double episode release.

Speaker 2 So if you're listening to this right now after this, you can listen to our episode with Charlie XEX,

Speaker 2 who has an album coming out this weekend, but out right now is Honeymind. Honeymind.
And this is, it's just, it's music. What can I say? It's, it's just, if you put it on, you will feel every emotion.

Speaker 2 I was crying not but 35 minutes ago to the song Boy Who Hung the Moon. Boy Who Hung the Moon.
I said to be in love.

Speaker 2 Oh, what's it like? What's up, we can ask him.

Speaker 2 We'll ask him. That'll be the first question.
He's getting married.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Having everyone's dream wedding, I'm sure.
Now, listen.

Speaker 2 He knows it's true. I think he knows.
Anyway, listen, he's performing at the palace. He's at a residency right now.
You can go. I'm going to go next week.
My mom is excited. I'm taking her.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 And that would be a gift that you give yourself to go because, I mean, every single time I've, and by every single time, I mean, I went to go see parade twice because I just could not believe how fucking incredible that show was.

Speaker 2 Parade.

Speaker 2 For me, that was, that should have been the Tony Wynn. All respect.
All respect. That's where that should have gone for me.
But it did win best revival and we love that.

Speaker 2 And I will say, just every single time you can see this person perform, you are, you are giving yourself a gift so give yourself a gift and go see him at the palace because

Speaker 2 just so good so good we love him so much everyone welcome and what

Speaker 4 you guys what's it like to be in love so nice it's like being john denver oh

Speaker 4 it's great you know noah it's the best he is the best yeah you said he was gonna cameo yeah he's on his way home right now and so there'll probably be some barks from dog george and then some hellos from Noah at some point.

Speaker 4 So just don't get too jarred by the barks by Dog George.

Speaker 2 Well, speaking of your home, and I brought this up to you the last time we saw each other, Ben, but how does it feel to know that my dear mother, Mang Tzu, has technically been inside your house?

Speaker 2 Wait, tell me. Did I tell you about this? No.

Speaker 2 There was an open house

Speaker 2 and my broker, Ronnie Rose, who's an icon,

Speaker 2 took my mom to go. She was like, let's go look at these like really fun places.
I won't say the neighborhood, but she was like, let's go look at these fun places. And then went to this beautiful home.

Speaker 2 My mom was like, wow, that was a really nice place. And then not like two months later, did Ronnie reach out.
And this might not have been, well, maybe I'll cut this out.

Speaker 2 But she was like, I think your friend Ben, it's your friend Ben's now. I was like, that's great.

Speaker 4 Anyway, yeah, we just moved in March. So we're in Brooklyn people now.
And it's really nice. Noah has been trying to get me out of Manhattan for a long time.

Speaker 2 How does Brooklyn feel?

Speaker 4 So good. I mean, it's like a little exhale.
You know what I mean? Like you get off the train and it's like a little less crazy and intense.

Speaker 4 It's a once hop skip and a jump one train right to the middle of the Broadway areas.

Speaker 4 It's nice. It feels removed, but not in the middle of nowhere.
It's lovely. There are children.
There's a Presbyterian school outside and they play at recess every day. It's fun.

Speaker 2 You hear the sounds of laughter, young laughter.

Speaker 4 We throw volleyballs back from the backyard. It's great.

Speaker 2 Do you really? Oh, God, that's going to get annoying quick. It's cute right now.

Speaker 4 It already is annoying.

Speaker 2 My favorite thing about you guys is I've run into you guys in Times Square like three times.

Speaker 2 Same.

Speaker 2 They're always jaunting around Times Square.

Speaker 4 We're all three very consistent patrons of the theater. And so that's

Speaker 4 Times Square.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 2 I forget what show I was going to see, but I think you guys were going to see another show. And I was like, look at us out here.
Always the biggest smiles on our faces, ready to consume.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's the happiest time when you can stay hopeful before you've actually seen the show. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Big news on the Broadway front, though. Audrey and Gypsy.
Are we excited or what? My

Speaker 4 God. Wait, this isn't come until next week.

Speaker 2 It comes out on,

Speaker 2 yes, next week.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 4 so I'm doing a special guest every night in my

Speaker 2 Ohio Theater gig.

Speaker 4 I had Casey Musgraves and Kristen Shena with us last night. So this weekend I have dear Adrian Warren, who's like

Speaker 4 and before I knew about any of this Audrey nonsense, we were going to sing If Mama Was Married from Gypsy. We're going to do like the two sisters.

Speaker 4 And I was like, girl, you should be playing Louise in this revival.

Speaker 2 Is she? Like, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 She should.

Speaker 4 Absolutely should. Can you imagine that turn, that change in act two?

Speaker 2 That would be incredible.

Speaker 4 Just saying, if anyone was, if George Seawolf is listening, which I'm sure he is.

Speaker 2 George. I thought you were going to say that Audrey was going to join you for one of the palace shows.
I tried.

Speaker 4 She has her own concert gigs. She can't make it.

Speaker 2 That's the thing about Audra. She's busy singing on her own.
And that's actually Rule of Culture number 55. That's the thing about Audrey.
She's busy singing on her own.

Speaker 2 I love when the guest joins in on the rule of culture. It gives it an extra power.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Well, it was about Audra.
I felt that I got license. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Do you still? There will be good guests besides Audrey. Sorry, keep going.

Speaker 2 So wait, can you spoil any that'll happen? Like, what's happening tonight?

Speaker 4 Okay, well, this is all just to say if nobody like, you know, gets sick or something happens.

Speaker 4 If all goes to plan, tonight is Leslie Odom Jr.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 4 Tomorrow is my album release day, so it's Noah Galvin.

Speaker 2 No, sir.

Speaker 4 And we're going to sing Two Most Wanted as My Only Beyoncé, obviously.

Speaker 2 You're fucking kidding.

Speaker 4 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 Blew up our spot. There's big plans for a performance from that from the Culture Awards.

Speaker 4 I would have no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 On Saturday, we have a double whammy planned. It's Rachel Zegler.
And then also my dear friend and co-star from Evan Hanson, Laura Dreyfus, Dreyfus, is going to sing Only Us with Me.

Speaker 2 Oh, that'll be. Wow.
That'll be wonderful.

Speaker 4 That'll be fun. And then Sunday's Adrian Warren.

Speaker 2 Wow. So only the best.

Speaker 4 Duh. Only the vocal cords.

Speaker 2 Only the chords. Duh.
And he's drinking his essentia

Speaker 2 like a chord singer.

Speaker 4 Liters and liters a day.

Speaker 2 You know, it was Ben who told the truth about vocal prep. to the world, which is just have room temperature water.
Stop with all the tea. Stop with all the cold water.
Right? Isn't that so?

Speaker 4 It is true. Cold water fucks you up.
It's like, it makes everything like really crackly and like really dry. And it's got to be room temp.
Although hot water with lemon is good for mucus.

Speaker 4 I will say that.

Speaker 2 It's good for mucus. It's actually really low conditions number 99.
Although hot water with lemon is good for mucus, I will say.

Speaker 4 I already have two rules. This is amazing.

Speaker 2 This is really good. You're fount.
Ben, what was Nashville like?

Speaker 4 So nice. It's like weirdly slowly becoming LA, but besides that, it was so, it was wonderful.
I mean, a lot of the writers I've been wanting to work with forever are all there.

Speaker 4 I found it like a really calming, wonderful place to write. Also, I don't really know anyone else there besides the people that I was writing with.

Speaker 4 So it felt like very like blinders up, no distractions. Like, let me just immerse creatively in this and just only do this.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I loved it.

Speaker 4 I'm playing two shows there in June.

Speaker 2 Nashville. Now, tell me this.

Speaker 2 Did you go to the Grand Ol Opry?

Speaker 4 I've never been to the Grand Ole Opry.

Speaker 2 That's okay.

Speaker 4 I'm playing the Ryman, though. So that's like second best.

Speaker 2 What's the Ryman?

Speaker 4 Ryman Auditorium is like super, you know, storied vibes. Like Casey just played there.

Speaker 4 And it's, it's sort of, if you're not going to play the Opry, it's like a really beautiful little country venue, a little more like traditional proscenium vibes.

Speaker 2 I want to know what is Casey like in person? Enchanting?

Speaker 4 Enchanting, gorgeous.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Like

Speaker 4 a stoner.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was going to ask, is she trying to corrupt you? Because I know how good you are when you have to use your voice. You don't even touch the stuff.

Speaker 4 No, she's the same when she has to sing. We have similar types of vocal anxiety, I think, but just like energetically, like never gets above like a five in a really nice way.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 She's like really easy.

Speaker 2 I identify with that. I'm never above a five.

Speaker 4 And then we love that. Very cool.
We love a, you know, a queen that sounds like the record always. Oh, yeah.
And she, boy, does she sound like the record.

Speaker 2 She do. That's a clean tone.
That is some cereborellis shit.

Speaker 4 Oh, crystal, crystal.

Speaker 2 Crystal clear. So you are a consumer of the girls.
So I want to know, like, out of this, like, sort of, like, wealth of pop girly output lately, like, what's risen to the top for you?

Speaker 4 Okay. The honorable mentions are.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Deeper well, of course. Yes.
Cowboy Carter, delicious.

Speaker 4 The thing that I'm returning to the most is Miss Ari Grande.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that.

Speaker 4 And I am with you.

Speaker 4 It is. Every song is the most like fine-tuned, like delicious bubblegum, perfect pop melody lyric ever.
It's they're in my mind all the time.

Speaker 4 Not in a way where you're like, get this song out of my mind, in a way where you're like, I'm going to go listen to that song right now.

Speaker 4 And I'm thrilled that The Boy is Mind is our next single because that was my favorite song from First Listen. Yes.
And I just think she's like the greatest pop star of the generation.

Speaker 4 I mean, obviously, we have feelings about Beyonce, and I don't even call Beyonce like a pop star. It's a different situation.

Speaker 4 But in terms of like a POP star, she's number one of our lifetime, I think.

Speaker 2 Even Intro End of the World is like,

Speaker 2 I'm going back to that all the time.

Speaker 4 Yeah. How do I know if I'm in the right relationship?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Thank you for a thesis statement right up top.
And then at the end, when Nona answers the question she says you're in the wrong place get out

Speaker 2 um i i have i it's also like genre wise like it's so what i like started to wrap my brain around in terms of like why i love music like it does it does remind me of mariah in in like the late 90s like it takes me back to that like just those rich rich rich like harmonies the layers just there's so much in the music And it's just, I love that it's like 36 minutes long, but tells like a complete story.

Speaker 2 It takes you on a journey. You really feel all of her emotions to the point where towards the end when she's singing, I wish I hated you.

Speaker 2 That's like wrapping up, wrapping up that relationship in terms of how it appears on the album. Like.

Speaker 2 Just that last chorus that she sings, like and her heart is breaking and her voice is breaking. I'm like, God, she fucking earned every second of this with what we've heard so far.
Like just amazing.

Speaker 4 And she's such a proponent for like, I mean, first of all, obviously we know she's one of the great instruments, but her vocal ability to not necessarily mean just like

Speaker 4 foot on the gas. Like there's so many different things that she does that have so much restraint that take honestly a so much more ability that are so impressive.

Speaker 4 And then also production wise, what you're saying about like the Mariah of it all, I love when there's like electronic production elements that are like very self-consciously retro electronic, like very clearly a button being pressed in a way that's like self-aware.

Speaker 4 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like when it's not trying to pretend trying to pretend to be like a live room or like something warm it's like this is deeply fun and self-aware and like i just think that it's it's a home run on that front too 1000 but even on ordinary things it's like that wrath is like not totally like it belongs there you're like oh i love it like this is the perfect way to meld all of these different ideas like you get the vocal recording the voice recording from nona and like it all just like it's complete like i'm all for a

Speaker 2 let's say 30 track two hour long album let's say

Speaker 2 but i really like how concise

Speaker 2 that whole album is like i really like i think when she played it for me i was like i think this is your best and i wasn't sure that like now i i'm quite positive that it is her best album in my mind i would tend to agree yeah but then you remember there has been so much incredible work and i was actually thinking about that as i was listening to your album ben like this concept of like doing your best work it's like i because as i was listening to it i was like this is his best work this is the most cohesive like best work and i wonder as an artist like when you hear this is your best work obviously that's like a compliment like at face value in and of itself but like i would imagine you're incredibly proud of the other great pieces of work you've put out and what i would imagine is the thing that's like really great when it comes to you is it's like, you can't really even compare this to like reverie because it does something completely different.

Speaker 2 And is that the goal? Is it just like creating different bodies of work where you can say, I did that thing, now I'm doing this thing? Like, is that a clear question?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 4 I mean, I think at least in terms of like writing my own music, I try to like lead first and foremost from just like where I'm at, like as a person and like let that be the guide as opposed to going in and being like, I'd really like to do like Americana sound now, or like then my last album, like I'd really like to have a Peter Gabriel moment.

Speaker 4 Like, it's more like because it was the pandemic, and I was wanting, like, I was feeling restless, like everybody, and wanting an escape.

Speaker 4 Like, I was loving writing songs that had like all that 80s electronic feeling to them. And then that's sort of how that came to be.

Speaker 4 And then, in this case, you know, I've been with Noah now for a moment, and I turned 30, and things are feeling a little more like settled and comfortable in terms of like understanding myself and like who I am.

Speaker 4 And so that felt a lot more just organic to like a super plaintive, like unadorned like sound that lives in this Moore Laurel Canyon, Paul Simon, James Taylory kind of world.

Speaker 4 And so saying like best work, I think for me, it's like I, I'll always like what's happening like now the best because it's the one I like relate to the most and like the thing that I feel like that I can still identify with.

Speaker 4 Like I feel like sometimes I listen to other things I've done or watch other, you know, if I'm forced to, other projects that I've done.

Speaker 4 And then like, I can have an appreciation for it, but I like, it's such a hard thing. I'm sure you feel this way too.

Speaker 4 It's like you watch things or hear things and you're like, I could have done so much more or now I have such a better perspective or I don't know what I was thinking or like, that doesn't feel like me at all.

Speaker 4 And it doesn't mean you don't love those things still, but I always will feel like the most proud of like. the thing that I feel like paints me as I am right now.

Speaker 4 So, and also anytime anyone wants to say that something is good that isn't my performance of Evan Hansen when I was 24 years old is like

Speaker 4 such, such a relief because when that ended, it was sort of like a,

Speaker 4 was this my, was this it? You know what I mean? So I'm just so grateful that there's been more acts at all.

Speaker 2 I feel like you,

Speaker 2 for a while now, have transcended the Evan Hansen part of your life and career, which is an incredible, like, it's an incredible benchmark in that sort of timeline.

Speaker 2 But like, I feel like for a while now, you've really

Speaker 2 staked all of these nice claims outside of that in a way that like makes it all coexist on the same plane.

Speaker 2 But, like, with this album, I really love, I feel like Fear of Missing Out is the thing that kind of like

Speaker 2 keystones it for me.

Speaker 2 Like, it's like, it's plaintive throughout the album, but I feel like this is a song that represents like getting settled into something, getting settled into this idea of like, I don't need to be stimulated by all of these things that are happening outside of my

Speaker 2 world. Like, I'm very eager to like decorate and adorn and have some knowledge around like my

Speaker 4 my little corner of the world or whatever you know yeah i think definitely other than like ad nauseum love songs to noah like the other main things that i wanted to really express and like write about is just this understanding of like following your internal compass which i feel like is easier said than done and like particularly when what with what we all do and like it's like very easy to want to like make the right move creatively professionally whatever personally that like it's the move you're supposed to make or the thing that others would like you to do or what you know will have the best external reaction, validation, et cetera.

Speaker 4 And like being in this relationship and also just having other experiences like making theater camp with my friends and with Noah, like, I think has really just like driven home that like, you know, we're all going to die.

Speaker 4 Like we need to just be really.

Speaker 4 trying to prioritize like the things that make us wake up and like feel excited and fulfilled and like want to do this in the first place because no matter how positive and wonderful an experience is,

Speaker 4 by virtue of what we all do, there's going to be so much shittiness that is needed that you have to just get through to get to the good part and like critique and the internet and just there's all this stuff that's like, it's not going anywhere.

Speaker 4 So if the thing itself is not filling you up, then like really, what's the point? And so I think, yeah, just that sort of

Speaker 4 ability and like courage to settle into that thanks to having this partner who makes me feel like I can do that. I think is exactly what I wanted to express.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I wrote down a line from that song, which is, this is paraphrasing, but scared of disappointing people I'll never see. And then I've got the fear of missing out on me.

Speaker 2 Like, do you think that the, that, not that it was the answer to be in a relationship, but that it really helped distract from all the other shit? Because, like, sometimes I feel like.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, I would die for one. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 2 and honestly sometimes when i feel really overwhelmed with kind of this idea of like

Speaker 2 what do people think like what should i do like am i doing the right thing i literally i end up triggering myself and like missing being in a relationship like as if that's the answer And then you say these things like, well, Noah's made everything beautiful and wonderful.

Speaker 2 So maybe it is the answer. So should I just like, should we just settle now? Should we just like toss a line out, put a blindfold on, and hope a good one bites?

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 4 It's two things. It's, it's, it's obviously is very helpful, but also like your girls in therapy working these things out

Speaker 4 alone too.

Speaker 4 But also like, I would think the only thing worse than trying to come to these conclusions on your own would be doing it with someone that's not the right person for you to be doing it or who's like leading you astray or like bullshitting you or blowing smoke or just like yes manning you i feel like that is an even scarier like crap fall.

Speaker 4 So no, no. Only if it's like your person.
Otherwise, like you are strong women that can stand on your own two feet.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we definitely are strong women, but

Speaker 2 sometimes, sometimes a bitch gets brought down. It's so true.
You know what I mean? I remember, like, when I was in a relationship, like, it was so easy to be like, well, fuck this.

Speaker 2 I have a boyfriend.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, you storm away and go, I don't need this. Because I remember I got into a fight with one of our friends.
And, like,

Speaker 2 I remember saying, like, you know what? I'm going to call my boyfriend. And then like that fell apart in such an insane way.
And so I was just like, well, now I can't.

Speaker 2 That was not a healthy thing to rely on because it was external. And I guess that is the reason why your girls have to be in therapy because nothing helps like therapy.
Nothing. I'm obsessed.

Speaker 4 Of course. That's why people say such nice things about it.
It's like actually true. Totally.

Speaker 2 I'm doing the EMDR. And I said I was doing the EMDR and Bowen called it controversial.
No. what is EMDR?

Speaker 2 You hold the little things. It's like you hold two little pods and they vibrate.

Speaker 2 And then basically, like you close your eyes and sort of stream of conscious, like speak on whatever topic it is your therapist is talking about.

Speaker 2 And she sort of guides you through these different emotions and you kind of just don't stop yourself.

Speaker 2 And like you find every single time I've gone to therapy, it's like, it's sort of like trauma stuff, but that's, it doesn't mean it has to be like,

Speaker 4 I'm still not clear on like what you're holding.

Speaker 2 So basically you're holding two little tiny pods and they vibrate rotationally. So it's like

Speaker 4 based on what you're feeling?

Speaker 2 No, it's just to make your brain work a little faster. You know, I think it's kind of like it's kind of like fooling you into like making your brain move a little quickly.

Speaker 2 It's making your brain play at 1.5 speed.

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Speaker 2 It's All's Fair, as in All's Fair in Love and War, and she's a divorce attorney. Love it.
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Speaker 2 Yeah, hello, Glenn Close. And of course, you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis.

Speaker 2 And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless, and when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way.

Speaker 2 But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama, relax. Allura, that's Kim's character, has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life.

Speaker 2 Her professional life crashes into her personal one, and uh-oh. So, how does this super lawyer fix her own mess? With a little help from her besties, of course.
So, this series has it all.

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Speaker 2 It's the holiday season, and you know what that means? Holiday parties.

Speaker 2 They're the best. But there's always the stress of what to wear, what to bring.
Easy solution, Bo. Bring a bottle of Casamigos.
Casamigos, wow, that's the move. And you can dress her up.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 A Casamigos margarita is the perfect cocktail all year round. Oh, sure.
Amarga is great. But picture this.
A big red bow around her her neck, maybe some pearls. She is a total moment.

Speaker 2 And the most interesting person at the party is always the one making Casamigo's margs for the group. Or the person who showed up with the Casamigos to the party.
Wait, what about Casamigo's mules?

Speaker 2 Ooh, yes. And those little copper cups.
Or Casamigo's espresso martinis. Now that's how you keep the party going.
Or Casamigo's crayon. Totally.
Casamigos really is the gift that keeps on giving.

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On second thought, a holiday party might be in order. That sounds like a great idea.
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Speaker 2 Is Noah here? Yeah, he is. Noah, come on.
We're talking about therapy.

Speaker 2 Come now. Noah.

Speaker 2 Yes. Oh, my God.
He just flashed us. He flashed us.

Speaker 2 I love.

Speaker 4 I'm really loving the blonde hair. It's really doing it.
That was what I said, too. I think it's time to like reclaim sort of the MM.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, my thing is, like, people are there, like, oh, he's in crisis. It's just like an easy, stupid thing to say.

Speaker 2 And also, I guarantee you, if I was in crisis, I would not roll the dice on my hair. I'm a gay guy.
Like, so much of my self-worth is on top of my head. I wouldn't roll the dice on it.
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 I understand. You look beautiful.
They were explaining to me EMDR.

Speaker 4 We were talking about therapy. Oh, my therapist told me about this recently.
What is this?

Speaker 4 It's possible

Speaker 4 that you hold in your hand and they buzz rotationally.

Speaker 2 They sort of buzz back and forth. It's supposed to make your brain move quicker so that you like stream of consciousness, arrive at things that you may not.
And it's like, you

Speaker 2 it's like you talk about traumatic memories while it happens. Sure.

Speaker 4 It's like the

Speaker 4 like hearing test when you were younger, but like for emotions.

Speaker 2 Can I say I miss just doing like going to the nurse and doing like a hearing test or a seeing test.

Speaker 4 When everything was just sort of like raise your hand when you hear a beep. That's

Speaker 2 like when those were the snakes.

Speaker 4 I love you.

Speaker 2 I love you. I love you.
Love you, Noah.

Speaker 4 Get back to your thing. Get back to your thing.
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 By the way, we love you. The most stressful part of the year was the presidential fitness tests.
Was like if you could touch your toe.

Speaker 4 Oh my God, the mile. The mile? Did you have to run the mile? We ran the mile by running three cycles of round the block of our school.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's how they measured it? We had a track.

Speaker 2 See, the presidential, that was something I really placed a lot of value in because I happened to be good at it because I couldn't like

Speaker 2 George W. Bush.
Love George W. Bush.
I mean, one of the great girls. You know what was hard for me to sit and reach.

Speaker 2 That's what I'm talking about. You sit and you're supposed to touch your toes.
Legs out. You're supposed to touch your toes.
Yeah, that I can do. I feel that you are flexible.

Speaker 2 You sort of give flexible energy.

Speaker 4 I mean, enough to like stretch out for singing. I'm not like a Dansa.
Noah's like Adansa.

Speaker 2 Stretch out for singing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you got to get your whole body.

Speaker 2 Well, that's the title of Epp, unfortunately. Stretch out for episode 7.
Stretch out for singing.

Speaker 4 That's the title of App?

Speaker 2 You don't like it? It's not up to you.

Speaker 4 It's okay. That's all right.
It's fine.

Speaker 2 It's okay.

Speaker 2 He thinks because he said one of the rules in tandem with us, he can sort of like dictate the title.

Speaker 4 I thought it was going to be Ghost Whisperer, but I like stretch for purpose.

Speaker 2 Oh, I do like Ghost Whisper.

Speaker 2 Let's make it about Casey.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure.

Speaker 2 we'll make it about casey we can do that wait i have a kind of a scary question and you don't ask

Speaker 2 okay but when we were when we were talking about like regarding your past selves through your work like i imagine that is going to come up when you finish merrily you know what i mean like you're gonna watch yourself back and be like oh my god like who is wow

Speaker 4 If we're all alive and the world is intact and like film still exists and people go watch film, which all of which we don't know. This is 16 years in the future.
So like fully don't know.

Speaker 4 I think, I mean, I think it's just going to be such an emotional like scrapbook that I won't care.

Speaker 2 Like, I think, right.

Speaker 4 Cause it's like Beanie is in it with me and she's like my lifelong friend. And it's like Sondheim, which is the

Speaker 4 angel of the world. And like, I just think I feel so unbelievably happy that it exists.

Speaker 4 And I would be so overjoyed if we literally made it to the finish line that I think I would be thrilled to watch it. I mean, especially with my God willing, like maybe children at that point, like

Speaker 4 giving them a little kind of retrospective of

Speaker 2 where we're at.

Speaker 4 And also right now, like we're gays. Like I look in the mirror and I'm like, my tummy this and my cheeks that and my whatever.

Speaker 4 But I'm so excited for like in 16 years to look at the early scenes and be like, God, look how fucking young and gorgeous.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 That's the thing too, is it's like when you look back and you're like, why was I insecure? It's like you wish you could tell yourself even from three years from now.

Speaker 2 It's just like, it's just good now.

Speaker 2 The thing that I'm fixated now lately is my fucking neck. And like, when I'm like, it's, it's ridiculous.
It is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 What's wrong with your long statuesque neck?

Speaker 2 You guys,

Speaker 2 nothing. But I feel like, you know what happened? What happened to me was I was in a video with bad lighting that did very well.
And because it was like a funny video.

Speaker 2 Like I bad lighting, but did very well? No, no, no. Okay.
So I guess hosted Love It or Leave It last week and it was the live show.

Speaker 2 And a clip from the live show, I told a story about how on 9-11, I made my mom take me to go get the Mariah Carey album Glitter. Like I threw a tantrum and it was 9-11.

Speaker 2 So like, I, and it was a funny story, I swear. But I was like, I was in this really bad lighting and like, it didn't look great.
And then it had me second-guessing my hair.

Speaker 2 It was just like, and I was just like, you know what? This is not a video for me to watch. Like, it's, I'm never going to get permanence on this.

Speaker 2 Like, it's like when it's, you're talking about watching your old old work and like, or watching new work and then like what it does.

Speaker 2 Like, my thing is I always appreciate it much later because in the moment, I'm always so critical of like the way I look or like what I've done. Like when I like, we talk about this.

Speaker 2 Like when I first saw Fire Island, I had a breakdown. Oh, man.
Like, and we've all experienced that. Bowen talks about it as well.
Like.

Speaker 2 It's hard to engage with yourself when you're already in a community that's so hard on itself.

Speaker 4 It's unnatural. I mean, it's, it's like, it's the internet alone of like looking at images of yourself all day is like ruining everyone's mental health and self-esteem.

Speaker 4 And then, on top of that, for your livelihood to depend on something where once again, you're confronted with your image all the time. It's like, it's no wonder we're all so fucked up.

Speaker 2 We're also fucked up.

Speaker 2 I will say for the EMDR stuff, like, I pointed it out as controversial because of based on what I had read just textually.

Speaker 2 And then anecdotally, people were telling me, like, I forget, like, people at work were like, oh, no, it's actually, like, it's actually been very helpful. And I, yeah, that's all I care about.

Speaker 2 Well, I did tell my therapist that you said it was controversial. And she was like, no, why did he say that? And I was like, I don't know.
I think he thought it was genuinely controversial.

Speaker 2 She goes, okay, well, it is like, just so you know, it's not controversial. It's like a research thing, et cetera.
And I was like, I feel good about what we're doing.

Speaker 2 And then she gave me the pods and they began to buzz.

Speaker 4 Just to say, we've touched on it now, I would say, four times. Still have no idea what this is.

Speaker 2 Look it up, bitch. Matt is doing like is like putting his dukes up and he's saying those are pods.

Speaker 4 I'm imagining like stress ball squeezers, but they vibrate.

Speaker 2 I have yet to correctly describe what it is, and I'm realizing when I try, it's because I don't think I really know.

Speaker 2 I think it's kind of just like everything in my life where someone just said, Do you want to try this? And I'm like, Yeah,

Speaker 2 great. I want to try it all.

Speaker 4 Yeah, YOLO.

Speaker 2 Are you a trier?

Speaker 4 Am I a trier? No, I'm afraid of everything. But Noah is a really amazing trier, so it evens out.

Speaker 2 Good for you guys to be married then. Yeah,

Speaker 2 probably balance each other out a bit.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 2 I know the invite list has to be big. You guys have big families, but you're not going to be able to get it.

Speaker 4 You're getting right in there.

Speaker 2 Interesting. We don't have to be on the list, but we can be present in a way.

Speaker 4 What would you guys offer?

Speaker 2 We can share one seat.

Speaker 4 If I were to hire you, like, as vendors, like, what is the service that you would offer?

Speaker 2 I think we would, like,

Speaker 2 I think we would write poetry.

Speaker 2 No, you know, you know what we could do at the Pot Galvin wedding? We could be like party motivators, like at bar and bot mitzvahs and stuff.

Speaker 2 Like, like, just go up to the tables and be like, come on, Mama June. Like, I don't know, there's so in this world, there's someone there named Mama June.

Speaker 4 I like that. I like our mitzvah style at our wedding.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. So, basically, Ben is looking at Noah off camera and I'm imagining that like it's like they heard us being like, so what can we do? Can we be invited? And Noah's off camera like, no,

Speaker 2 we are, no, no, no, we are capped. We no, no, Ben, do not.

Speaker 4 No, he's on camera being like, ask them if they'll be dancers. But party motivators is good.

Speaker 2 We'll dance. We'll do it all.
We'll stretch to sing. We'll stretch to dance.

Speaker 2 Party motivators. There was a moment.
I was at a party once.

Speaker 2 I think it was a Sweet 16 or something where there was a party motivator and the girl, it was mortifying to be like a 13 year old, like gay, preteen, like gangly, like going through it, like in terms of the growth spurt and have this like confident 20 something gorgeous sort of run over to you, like shaking her like shoulders like this and being like, come on, Matthew, get up.

Speaker 2 This is a party after all. Come on, boo.

Speaker 2 And like making me move my horrible limbs. Like, wait, she sounds like this is every bar mitzvah.
No, this is everybody.

Speaker 2 She was scary because I could, I knew she was me. I knew she was a confident me.
Yeah, you saw yourself reflected.

Speaker 2 It was just, I couldn't imagine being confident enough to dance over to strangers and be like, let's go.

Speaker 2 But now I can.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's the way that I would like peacock at Bar Mitzvah's because I was like the only usually self-possessed gay kid, or maybe there was like one other one, but it would be like me and the girls going absolutely off and the guys just sitting at at the table in their like sneakers and suits and also if there's a boy dancer if you're going to actually do this you have to wear a too tight for you black t-shirt so that's no problem oh no problem okay

Speaker 2 lost coach has uh we've become the poser children for sex uh we're taking a turn towards fitness bowen is showing uh his butt in a movie and yeah yeah nothing

Speaker 2 A Heine shot.

Speaker 2 That's what I call it. Because Rosie O'Donnell used to, whenever she'd have a male guest on her show back in the day, right before the interview would end, she would go, any heiny shots?

Speaker 2 Like, I remember years ago, like, watching Rosie O'Donnell, I would quote unquote, get sick at school. Like, I would fake it a lot.
Like,

Speaker 2 so I could come home and watch Rosie O'Donnell sometimes. And she, I remember,

Speaker 2 she's so gay. She had, she had

Speaker 2 Mark Wahlberg, not Marky Mark, on her show one time. And this was like, you know, he was Marky Mark.
He was so hot. And she was still doing her thing of like, I'm flirting with these guys on my show.

Speaker 2 So she was like, any heiny shots? And he goes, little heiny shot.

Speaker 4 Little heiny shot. And then you came instantaneously.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's so hot to think about. So hot.

Speaker 4 Not anymore, sadly, but he was.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, other things get in the way with that.

Speaker 2 Stuff has gone down.

Speaker 4 It's too much to unsee. But, you know,

Speaker 4 we had our time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you guys see Dennis Quaid's big announcement? He's come out and said that he's going to vote for Trump. What? And

Speaker 2 the quote was this. A lot of people say he's an asshole, but he's my asshole.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 2 He's my asshole was what the man said.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Your asshole is on your person.

Speaker 4 He's not your asshole. You've had one all along.
It's the Ruby Slippers. It's like,

Speaker 4 it's been with you.

Speaker 2 Just one of the most colossal flops.

Speaker 4 I will just take the image of him with the open chest hair with Meredith Blake and the parent trap and leave the rest.

Speaker 2 Just let that be yours. You know what I mean? It's like Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 Like, if Dennis Quaid as a child meant something to you when he opened up his shirt a little bit and like showed that chest hair, engaged to Meredith Blake,

Speaker 2 let don't let it ruin it for you. You know what I mean? Don't let, don't let what's happened ruin it for you.

Speaker 4 It's like that and Hermione, and then they can both go away.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Exactly.

Speaker 2 Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 4 What are our thoughts?

Speaker 4 Just kidding. Just kidding.
Well, Daniel's in Merrily.

Speaker 2 I know. Wait, did you see the Merrily? Did you go for research? By the way, for people that don't know, like, Ben and Beanie are shooting with Richard Linklater of Boyhood Fame, like every year.

Speaker 2 They're doing Merrily the right way, which is every year they're shooting like a chapter of this story. And it's going to come out in like 16 years or whatever the fuck it is.
Like when it's all done.

Speaker 2 So he's doing what he did with Boyhood with merrily and that's what we're talking about when we're talking about like the watching and many years and looking back so did you go to see merrily on broadway

Speaker 4 of course oh paul meskill yeah he's uh frank wow you really nailed the casting i mean come on yeah i saw it off broadway and on broadway i thought it was wonderful i loved it the three of them are so impeccably passed together they just really dive and gel and they bring different energies and you really believe their sweet love and then it makes it sad when it goes away and I thought it was as again like you were saying it's like I think if we can make it the ultimate way to do it is actually really to watch that de-aging process happen but as far as like making it work on stage and playing up and then playing down it's like it's the best version I could imagine really right

Speaker 2 oh that's gonna be so emotional right that's gonna be a lot of tears yeah let's watching yourself de-age like

Speaker 4 no don't but I'll be watching it from like in like with Google glasses on my own deck you know what I mean? Like in private.

Speaker 2 That's the way that we watch things. That's what I'm doing.
On Mars.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 In my like scuba suit to be outside in the environment. It'll be great.

Speaker 2 Well, how do we save cinema?

Speaker 4 That's a good question.

Speaker 4 I think probably we try Batgirl again.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think more

Speaker 2 sequels, I think. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I have to say, like, with Furiosa like, quote unquote, flopping, like, Bowen and I fucking loved Mad Max Fury Road, but I think, I think the reason why I didn't go see Furiosa and like didn't have like top of mind plans to see Furiosa is because I do feel like when I see the preview for that movie, I do feel like I've seen that movie already.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like, people are all throwing out their theories about like why the box office is flopping, and everyone has like their ideas about why it's not been a great year, why it hasn't been a great couple of years.

Speaker 2 But, like, I think my thing is, it just feels like every movie that comes out, even if they are really quality, which this is, apparently, I just feel like I have seen it.

Speaker 2 And I think that's like a thing with the sequels of it all. It's just like the sequel and prequel fatigue is just like very real because we're not getting anything new.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, I feel like so out of touch, but like the things I consider to be eventized are like so not the things that. I guess like the general public would consider to be eventized.

Speaker 4 I was like, oh my God, like Yorgos and Poor Things and Emma.

Speaker 4 that's i'm getting out of my apartment and going to see that with a crowd like but like marvel number 27 i'm like not that doesn't really thrill me who cares but i think that we're all on the same page about like in that we are in tune with the general public where they're like we don't really care about the next like marvel 27.

Speaker 4 but what i find interesting is that with

Speaker 4 Wicked, like it is like, oh, we have made a musical look like a Marvel film, which has never really happened before.

Speaker 2 I think it's thrilling.

Speaker 2 I mean, oh, but I just, I just realized that you've seen it.

Speaker 2 Have you seen it?

Speaker 4 I think you've seen it.

Speaker 2 I don't know. He might have.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 No. He's lying.

Speaker 4 No, small screen.

Speaker 4 WOH, word of honor, have not. Would love to.
Have not. Okay.
I've seen some like BTS packages maybe that haven't come out yet, but I haven't seen the film.

Speaker 4 But every, every little lick of footage I've seen has looked stunning and glorious, and I can't wait.

Speaker 4 And it's finally a musical that's big enough and like fully realized enough for the way that it absolutely should be. And we all need to show up.

Speaker 2 Oh, we will. I'm not worried about Wicked at all.
I'm not worried about Wicked.

Speaker 4 Wicked. It's about candles.
Teo Wicked.

Speaker 2 You know what's cool about Wicked, too?

Speaker 2 Like, Wicked, not that like people weren't aware of the fact that it was a musical, but more than any other movie musical, like in the trailer, you get that it's a musical. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 But people still have gripes about, we didn't see anyone singing. Like, we didn't see the note come out of Cynthia's mouth.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Like, which I think is who like no matter what comes out, the internet's going to be like, okay, Matt, there was too much. Like, the saturation, the color saturation was crazy.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, brother.

Speaker 4 You go make this movie for four fucking years.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 let's for 20, for God's sake.

Speaker 2 Everyone always knows better, and no one does except us now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 Except the three of us right now. We know better, but everyone else doesn't.
And they should shut up.

Speaker 4 That's a rule of culture.

Speaker 2 That is a rule of culture. I just know.

Speaker 2 I forget how long it was. Ben, you're allowed to say a rule of culture.

Speaker 4 It's not. It's not.
It's not.

Speaker 2 It's not. But it wasn't.

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Kardashian plays Allura Grant, the most in-demand divorce attorney in Los Angeles. Get it?

Speaker 2 It's All's Fair, as in All's Fair in Love and War, and she's a divorce attorney. Love it.
Now let's talk ensemble because Allura does not go it alone.

Speaker 2 She breaks off from a crusty male-dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute forces of nature. Naomi Watts, Nici Nash-Betts, Tiana Taylor, and Glenn Close.

Speaker 2 Yeah, hello, Glenn Close. And of course you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis.

Speaker 2 And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless, and when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way.

Speaker 2 But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama, relax. Allura, that's Kim's character, has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life.

Speaker 2 Her professional life crashes into her personal one, and uh-oh. So, how does this super lawyer fix her own mess? With a little help from her besties, of course.
So, this series has it all.

Speaker 2 Scandalous secrets, high-stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows, some OMG twists, and friendships that rise above it all.

Speaker 2 And of course, everything is gonna look amazing. It's got some unapologetic glam, a work-hard, play-harder lifestyle.
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Speaker 2 Lame men, underpaying jobs. Well, stop.
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Speaker 2 It's the holiday season, and you know what that means? Holiday parties!

Speaker 2 They're the best. But there's always the stress of what to wear, what to bring.
Easy solution, Bo. Bring a bottle of Casamigos.
Casamigos, wow, that's the move. And you can dress her up.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 A Casamigos margarita is the perfect cocktail all year round. Oh, sure.
Amarga's great. But picture this.
A big red bow around her neck, maybe some pearls.

Speaker 2 She is a total moment and the most interesting person at the party is always the one making Casamigo's margs for the group or the person who showed up with the Casamigos to the party Wait, what about Casamigo's mules?

Speaker 2 Oh, yes, and those little copper cups or Casamigo's espresso martinis now. That's how you keep the party going or Casamigo's crayon.
Totally. Casamigos really is the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 2 Well, you know what they say. Anything goes with my Casamigos.
On second thought, a holiday party might be in order. That sounds like a a great idea.
Please drink responsibly.

Speaker 2 Imported by Casa Amigo Spirits Company, White Plains, New York. Casamigo Stequila, 40% alcohol by volume.

Speaker 2 We have a category, best song from Wicked.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 4 oh, have you announced the nominations? No.

Speaker 2 By now, we have. Okay, what are they? Let me read them.
Yeah, and then we'll have you choose. These are the nominees for best song from Wicked.

Speaker 2 The nominees may surprise you. Okay.

Speaker 4 If something bad's not on there, I don't want to hear this, but keep going.

Speaker 2 Well, you might be a mom. Okay, hold on.

Speaker 4 Watch the space. Best song from Wicked.
The nominees are, thank goodness.

Speaker 2 I'm not that girl.

Speaker 2 I'm not that girl reprise.

Speaker 4 What is this feeling? Also, low-key, some of you are still calling the song loathing, and we clock it every single time.

Speaker 2 Every single time.

Speaker 4 Although, Stephen Schwartz and Stephen Remus do call it loathing.

Speaker 2 The people in the world. Okay, well, then they need to answer to that.

Speaker 4 Okay, fair. One short day.
day.

Speaker 4 March of the Witch Hunters.

Speaker 2 Something bad.

Speaker 4 And dear old Chiz.

Speaker 4 No defying gravity.

Speaker 2 No good deeds snubbed. No good deeds.
Wizard and I snubs.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but these are all the real ones. It's honestly,

Speaker 4 there's a lot of comets in this category.

Speaker 2 A lot of comets. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Flying high. My knee jerk.
I have two knee jerks.

Speaker 2 You have two knees. So this is believable what you said.

Speaker 2 Because they both could have jerked the left and the right knee.

Speaker 4 My vote would be garnered by either I'm not Dark Over Prees.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much!

Speaker 2 Or

Speaker 4 March of the Witch Hunters. Because

Speaker 4 especially in the musical, the reveal of her behind the Witch Hunters, every time Shivers Goosebumps. Shivers Goosebumps.
But also, Bach is like...

Speaker 4 going on without the with a witch

Speaker 2 yeah of course of course you know what i realized we forgot because low-key it's not on the Spotify thing because it's not on the fucking album, which is I'll never get over is the wicket-o-witch of these.

Speaker 4 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 Zoom rejected your pitch, by the way.

Speaker 2 They did? Well, not on my recording.

Speaker 4 Zoom silenced your ass.

Speaker 2 Sorry. Listen, I don't care what anyone says.
I made noise.

Speaker 4 I'm hoping we get that. I mean, again, something I legitimately do not know the answer to, but I hope that we get that on this new film album.

Speaker 2 See, Bowen is famous for being like, I think I can say this, and then dropping something crazy about the movie.

Speaker 4 Oh, well, like the internet got my ass for saying that Dilliman would be played by a woman, which I never said.

Speaker 4 I never said that Dilliman would be played by a woman.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, it's crazy. These girls will just make shit up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but girl, you speak too much. You play too much.
You did this with Ariana Grande's album, too. He was on fucking Twitch and he goes, yes, I've heard the new Ariana Grande album.
Yes,

Speaker 2 it's definitely going to be this. And she definitely worked with this person.
And I was like, and then the media picked that up too. And she was like, oh my God, I love that you talked about it.

Speaker 4 You meant that. You meant that, like, spiritually, Dilliman is a woman.
You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And she is.

Speaker 4 Because Dilliman is a woman.

Speaker 2 It was a puppeteer named Louisa.

Speaker 4 There's a puppeteer named Louisa.

Speaker 4 And I wanted to give her flowers because she was amazing.

Speaker 2 And then the internet took that to mean that Dilliman would be played by a woman.

Speaker 4 And then they were like, it's going to be Adina.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, that is the stupidest idea of that. And Dina has Dilliman.
Like, imagine that call. Like, hey, Adina, it's us.
Like, we know you've been interested in the cameo.

Speaker 2 You're going to be Dilliman. Boo.
Like, she'd be like, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 God, how dare you guys? I am really pulling for I'm not that girl reprise just because

Speaker 2 I'm not that

Speaker 2 girl and it goes into fucking it's Glinda's only

Speaker 4 alto note in the whole show Yeah, she gets to really like hit that note.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 4 the don't wish, don't start wishing only wounds the heart.

Speaker 2 You kidding me?

Speaker 2 It's a good show, this Wicht.

Speaker 4 This Wicht is a good show.

Speaker 4 Okay, I don't think I can say this. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 This is what I'll say. I don't think so.
Everyone being like, oh, why is it in two parts? If defined gravity is going to be in the first part, then like, what's there to wait for in the second?

Speaker 4 Like, there is so much

Speaker 4 to not that girl girl reprieve.

Speaker 2 Reprieve. Another girl reprieve.
First of all, like for good and like the end of that movie, like of that show, like that is the end of the story.

Speaker 2 Like, don't worry that it's not going to feel exciting. It's just what you're getting now is a really intense climax and finale for the first movie.

Speaker 2 That would feel really weird if it was one movie and that was just the middle of the movie. Like, you need to break them up.
They're actually narratively and like in terms of a viewing experience.

Speaker 2 The show is supposed to end after defiant gravity that's why there's an intermission like and so basically what you're getting is is an intermission you are getting the show but it's two movies i understand of course i totally why there'd be people out there being like oh it's a money thing it's a money thing but i think it would be weird to have defiant gravity in the middle of that movie i really famously tourists early on used to leave an intermission because they thought that was it right famously They were like, well, they can't go up from here.

Speaker 4 So that must be it.

Speaker 2 She gets away.

Speaker 4 She gets away. But this is, here's what I'm saying.
The people who are involved in this film, me excluded,

Speaker 4 care deeply about this.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 4 except for me, no, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 But like, it will be, it will be okay. It will be okay.

Speaker 2 Of course. And I have no doubts because I know my girl is in it.
And when he touched that hat and said, what's this?

Speaker 2 I said, this is representation and it matters. Mean gay guy.
Do you think the representation matters? You've never said that before publicly.

Speaker 4 Is this to me? Yes.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 4 I think we have enough.

Speaker 2 I think that's good.

Speaker 4 Of course it does. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I've staken my whole life on just being like, I'm gay. Isn't that important?

Speaker 2 Look how gay I am.

Speaker 4 Listen to my gay.

Speaker 2 I'm just all the way up on the mic.

Speaker 4 Listen to my June gay love songs. Gay, June, Jew, June, Gay.

Speaker 2 So you did, was it acid or mushrooms that made you say the title? Honeymind?

Speaker 4 Chocolate mushrooms, of course. I'm not a tried acid.
Is acid better? I think you would like it if you were out in nature and if you were with your beloved and your close friends.

Speaker 4 It's not like chesty anxiety-y?

Speaker 2 I don't think so.

Speaker 2 I think that it would depend on how much you took. Here's what I would say: go rent a house upstate.
Bring a nice vinyl. Let's throw out there the new Maggie Rogers.

Speaker 2 Ooh, spin it and very underrated.

Speaker 2 Underrated. Isn't it a a crowded year? Spin it.
Take your half a tab, walk around. Look at the moon.

Speaker 2 See what it tells you.

Speaker 4 Oh, so nighttime.

Speaker 2 I feel starting the day going to night.

Speaker 4 Does it last that long?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 That's what we did. Bowen and I did that years ago.
We had an emotional breakthrough.

Speaker 4 And then you woke up and your hair was blonde.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Spiritually.

Speaker 4 I literally like went outside, stared at the moon, and listened to an underrated Maggie Rodgers song, Deep Cut, called Better.

Speaker 4 And I listened to that on Acid and I was like, this, I will never forget this.

Speaker 2 It's, it's a really, I think you'll like it, Ben.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 2 And on the other side of the house, I was up looking at the moon, listening to Light On, which is, of course, her biggest single.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 this is speaking to me.

Speaker 4 I love that first album just really. Oh, amazing.

Speaker 4 It was my personal like John Hughes coming of age film, that whole album. I listened to it for like my whole entry into adulthood.

Speaker 4 Like, if if girls, the show was like one album, it would be Maggie Rogers' first album.

Speaker 2 That is really astute. Wow,

Speaker 2 you know, period, both things that I love. You know what I heard the other day, and it reminded me, like, I think it was in the trailer for girls season two, Ellie Golding, Anything Can Happen.

Speaker 2 That is so good.

Speaker 2 I was like, this girl really gives it to you sometimes. Oh, yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 Well, also, there's just the music on girls was consistently banob.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It was giving Grey's Anatomy tastemaker vibes.

Speaker 4 Yes, it was giving tastemaker vibes. It was giving Robin writing the tweet.

Speaker 4 We don't have to go there, but

Speaker 2 I don't think that there will ever be a better end to an episode of television ever than her writing that tweets, drafting that tweet, sending it, and Allison Williams coming in, the reveal to her that Elijah was gay the whole time, and they dance the dancing on their own, and they hug and the smash on the beat at the end of the chorus.

Speaker 4 Like, I mean, come on, and just her reaction to the news, and just immediately embracing and just being like, That's funny, like, yeah,

Speaker 4 it's like that's friendship, it's just like letting it roll off your back. Oh, I could talk about that.
We should do a whole girls' rewatch podcast. I think that already exists.

Speaker 2 Probably people want it from us, though. Yep, you know, we're doing an Olympics podcast.
Is that real?

Speaker 4 But what does that mean? Like, are are you going to go like event by event?

Speaker 4 That's one way to go about it. I'm down to like really go through each event and be like, okay, so what should we know about this? And who are the players and who are the stars?

Speaker 2 And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 So, like, for someone like me who's not well-versed, I could listen and you could help me like be introverted.

Speaker 2 That's a perfect podcast for you because we don't know anything

Speaker 2 about anything. Perfect.
And so it's really going to be for

Speaker 2 every gay, this podcast, because it's truly hosted by two people who

Speaker 2 just this isn't their culture. I have to say, maybe years ago, like the Summer Olympics was my culture.
When was the last time the Olympics was like something you gave energy to? 2012, maybe? London.

Speaker 4 I watch the clips afterwards that everybody tells me I need to watch.

Speaker 4 I've never been like a full tune into the Olympics girl, but I guess maybe this would be my opportunity if I'm following along with your podcast.

Speaker 2 I think so.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 2 we

Speaker 4 can really talk about the bodies.

Speaker 2 It's really helpful.

Speaker 2 I mean, of course, I just will never forget. This is a Winter Olympics thing, but one of my sexual coming of ages was Apollo Anton Ono.

Speaker 2 Apollo Anton Ono, the speed skater, and later dancing with the stars. I think winner.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2 The man

Speaker 2 had an ass.

Speaker 4 I bet he still has it.

Speaker 2 Oh

Speaker 2 my God. I didn't stand a chance as like, I guess I was like 12 or something.
Like there was no way around his ass.

Speaker 2 Like, I was just like, I am so seated for this because he is the hottest man I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 4 Just pour one out for Apollo.

Speaker 2 I mean, where, but, but do we need to? Like, what happened?

Speaker 4 No, nothing. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Does that mean a bad thing happened?

Speaker 2 Pouring one out, like, to me, means like commemoration. Like, oh, God, no, I don't mean that.

Speaker 4 I mean just like, like, I don't know, celebrate. So to him, yes.

Speaker 2 I think it's because the last time I heard the expression, pour one out, my dad, I called my dad because Jimmy Buffett died. And he said, I'm at the beach pouring one out for Jimmy.

Speaker 4 And I i was like oh my god this is so heartbreaking dad a little bit of buffet on this album from you yeah are you serious really i mean you know like it's giving like singer songwriter like acoustic guitar driven some stuff i mean absolutely not yeah there's this song called margarita on the rocks it's there's it's all right that's yeah thank you i'll take that i will say all-american queen is giving notes of paul simon and jimmy and and buffett fair to say yeah just add like a little bit of faggot and then

Speaker 2 yeah yeah totally i think think you're a gay guy if you listen to jimmy buffet and add a little bit of faggot you get laugh yes you really don't

Speaker 2 i used to i remember when i was little like my my parents were huge parrot heads and like i had just started watching american idols so i of course thought i knew everything about singing so i would always drag jimmy buffett for his lack of range

Speaker 4 and listen you weren't wrong rest in peace

Speaker 2 but he didn't need the range

Speaker 2 no he was an icon in several other rangeless

Speaker 2 rangeless king nothing Rangeless King.

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Speaker 2 It's the holiday season, and you know what that means? Holiday parties!

Speaker 2 They're the best. But there's always the stress of what to wear, what to bring.
Easy solution, Bo. Bring a bottle bottle of Casamigos.
Casamigos, wow, that's the move. And you can dress her up.

Speaker 2 Absolutely. A Casamigo's margarita is the perfect cocktail all year round.
Oh, sure. A marg is great.
But picture this. A big red bow around her neck, maybe some pearls.
She is a total moment.

Speaker 2 And the most interesting person at the party is always the one making Casamigos margs for the group. Or the person who showed up with the Casamigos to the party.
Wait, what about Casamigo's mules?

Speaker 2 Ooh, yes. And those little copper cups.
Or Casamigo's espresso martinis. Now that's how you keep the party going.
Or Casamigo's crayon. Totally.
Casamigo's really is the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 2 Well, you know what they say. Anything goes with my Casamigos.
On second thought, a holiday party might be in order. That sounds like a great idea.
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Speaker 2 All right, so we've hit the moment in the show where it's time to turn to I Don't Think So Honey. This is the segment we all know and love.
Let me guess. You forgot.

Speaker 4 I didn't forget. I just didn't come prepared, but you guys go and then I'll think of it.

Speaker 2 So what's the difference there?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I was.

Speaker 2 Don't put it on your shy voice. Don't start talking in your little soft tenor.
He's in between shows at the palace. Sorry.
Right.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 for those of you who also may have forgotten, I don't think so, honey is a 60-second segment where we talk about something in culture and we sort of,

Speaker 2 you know, we air grievances. I have something that it's going to be very frustrating for a while, but it's just now come to my attention that this is going to be the case.

Speaker 2 And so I'm going to, I'm going to do my I don't think so, honey. Okay.

Speaker 4 This is Matt Rogers' I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now.

Speaker 2 I don't think so, honey. I'm already stressed out about the best actress Tony Race next year.

Speaker 2 I mean, Audrey McDonald versus Nicole Scherzinger, this is going to be, I mean, if you thought things have been difficult in the past, things are about to get really hard.

Speaker 2 Things are about to get really tough in this country. Because let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 Not only are we going to have whatever happens with the election later in the year, sorry to bring it up, but then almost a few months later, we're going to have a Tony Awards that is going to tear this country apart because we're going to have half the country that are saying Aldrin McDonald is playing Mama Rose.

Speaker 2 I mean, that is what, like a six-time Tony winner playing the greatest musical role of all time.

Speaker 2 How do you get better than that? I have to tell you, I don't think so, honey, if you haven't seen Nicole Scherzinger tear it

Speaker 2 up in Sunset Boulevard and she's going to tread the boards in New York.

Speaker 2 And I know she's going to be galvanized because if I can trust Nicole Scherzinger to be one thing, it is galvanized and it is going to be behind her eyes. We're in for it.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 And that's one minute. She is spilling blood, letting it drip off her chest onto the boards of Broadway.
Le,

Speaker 2 ta-ra,

Speaker 2 lea.

Speaker 4 I didn't think about that until now, and now I'm so stressed away. You haven't thought about it.

Speaker 2 It's all I've been able to think about is the fact that one of those women is going home empty-handed. And I have to say,

Speaker 4 it's a ton.

Speaker 2 I guess. Face value.
Let's give Nicole one.

Speaker 2 This would be Audra's seventh. And again, I have not seen that performance.
It could be no contest. Like, that's just how talented she is.

Speaker 4 Audre should just hop on as a producer because we know to win revival and then she gets one anyway.

Speaker 2 I wonder if she is a producer already. That's a good question.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Just as insurance, because she needs one too.

Speaker 2 But you know, that's not the same.

Speaker 4 Six is not enough. Six is not.

Speaker 4 Hashtag, let's start a campaign. Hashtag six is not enough.

Speaker 2 But I don't want to do that campaign because I want it for Nicole bad.

Speaker 4 I can't wait to see her. No, you didn't see it.

Speaker 2 You didn't go over to the West End?

Speaker 4 Did you?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Is she insane? That's hot.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 2 I don't know how you give a better, more thrilling.

Speaker 2 Well, I've seen you, so I do know how. But like,

Speaker 2 it's, it's, no, don't tell me to shut up. Don't fucking tell me to shut up.
I have a line. I have a boundary.

Speaker 2 No, I don't know. It's so good.

Speaker 4 I can't wait. I can't wait.

Speaker 2 Bowen?

Speaker 2 No, I'm thinking about next year's Tony's, and it is just like, it's going to be thrilling because

Speaker 2 Cole is in the mix. Oh, forget it.
It's going to be nuts.

Speaker 2 We're going to have to get you back out there to present, Bo, and say this is six.

Speaker 2 Bowen, iconically, introduced the Tony performance of Salmon.

Speaker 4 Oh, I remember.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 My best reception ever, not at the Tony Awards themselves, but at the rehearsal earlier that day where like all of like the people, like all of like the crew working the Tony's were like in the mezzanine at Radio City.

Speaker 2 And I like, whatever. Like, okay.
And now Bowen walks out. And I walked out.

Speaker 2 And then like people cheering from the mezzanine being like, this is the most applause I've ever, this is the most spirited applause I've ever gotten anywhere. And it was at 2 p.m.
on a Saturday.

Speaker 2 It was great.

Speaker 2 I don't think you realize how exciting it is to see you it's thrilling it's always so exciting to see you that's very nice first time i met cynthia at the twins rehearsal and that was a very nice vibe was she lovely she was lovely i'm such a fan i really am

Speaker 2 i watched night live i do you know what was the most cynthia rivo thing that happened to me was i was i was reading like the most cynthia rivo thing that happened to me i was reading

Speaker 4 incredibly well in all of that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I sang so, so well.
I sang, no, no, I was reading Middle March on set, and then she comes up and she goes, What is that?

Speaker 2 I was like, Oh, it's a book by George Elliott, but it's actually a woman, and she, you know, George Elliott was her like pen name and whatever. She goes,

Speaker 2 I'm gonna buy that. I'm gonna read that.
And then next day, she's like,

Speaker 2 I love it. I love it so much.

Speaker 2 She had started reading it that day.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 4 probably at 5 a.m. on the treadmill.
She

Speaker 4 cracked open that book.

Speaker 2 Her and Michelle Yeo every morning, 5 a.m., getting up, doing a kid workout every day before she is bananas. Wow.
I mean, it shows. She looks unbelievable.
I'm so excited for what this is going to.

Speaker 2 She's already a full superstar, but like she's Alphaba. She's going to be Alphaba and Wicked.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Seeing West End wicked is a fucking hoot.
I love this.

Speaker 4 It's fun. They say room allocations instead of room assignments.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 We do.

Speaker 2 That's the biggest difference.

Speaker 4 That's the biggest difference.

Speaker 4 Room allocations.

Speaker 4 I like that she's American in the movie because it's like the only way she's supposed to be different from everyone is for greenness. And so she should be the same everywhere, every other way.

Speaker 4 But maybe Johnny is British.

Speaker 2 Johnny's British.

Speaker 2 That works, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's a prince.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's a prince. And then he's a winky prince.
And then...

Speaker 4 Twinkie Prince.

Speaker 2 Twinkie Prince. And then I think that's the only Brit.
I'm missing one. Oh, Oh, no.
I think Peter Dinklage. I think Dillimond is British.
Is male and British.

Speaker 2 He's a British man.

Speaker 2 He looks like a British man. What movie? A Mab.

Speaker 2 A Mab.

Speaker 2 A Mab King, Peter Dinklage. Actually, it's Rural Culture number 99.
A Mab

Speaker 2 Peter Dinklage.

Speaker 2 She looked like a British man as me and girls, of course. Yeah, of course.
Bo, and you really do know your culture.

Speaker 2 Oh, I just got a text from maybe colon Ilhan Omar. Oh, great.
The political texts are popping off. Of course not.

Speaker 2 Okay, so this is Bowen's. I don't think so, honey.
Are you ready, galvanized and free? Yes. Bowen Yang's time starts now.
I don't think so, honey, barbecues. It ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Speaker 2 You want smoke in the lung. You want a half-cooked piece of chicken.
You're getting food poisoning at the function.

Speaker 2 And the conversation's not going to be that great.

Speaker 2 The music's not going to be loud enough because we're too afraid to you know get a complaint none of it is what you want it to be i'm sorry i love we all love barbecue in theory don't we 30 seconds but then when you have to like get out the coal or you have to like figure out how you're gonna like

Speaker 2 light the thing. It's it's too much.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, everybody. Summer's just beginning.

Speaker 2 It's thrilling season, but it's not going to live up to the fantasy unless you're really good at the tongs, unless you're really good at opening up the.

Speaker 2 Yeah. First of all,

Speaker 2 good luck if you have to clean out the fucking vents from the year before because that is going to put you off from the whole fucking thing. I don't think so, honey.
And that's one minute.

Speaker 2 I will say, I will shout out Jared again. We just had a small, tiny moment at his house where he barbecued for a few friends.
You just have to get someone who isn't like, yeah, I can do it.

Speaker 2 You have to get someone that's going to take the grilling seriously. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I was going to say, Noah, you haven't been to a barbecue that Noah has been in charge of. It's a different kind of experience.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe if he does it at the wedding, we can, you know, you can throw us some meat on the side because we'll be working the event.

Speaker 4 Well, you'll be so tired from your motivational dancing. Right.
Like, you'll need some protein. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's a great chef, so like, it'll taste really good, but he just takes the timing seriously, doesn't put it on others. We, we, we position the grill in a proper place.

Speaker 4 It's, it can be done in a meaningful way, but I do agree that a slap dash barbecue is not always a fun experience.

Speaker 2 Maybe I'm too used to a slapdash barbecue.

Speaker 2 It's like one of those things, too, where like you never want to really volunteer unless it's so

Speaker 2 you're so confident you can do it. Because I've actually at our Fire Island house, Boen, remember this? I was like, oh, grill.
And then one of our guests came over and was like, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 I need you to get out of the way. I'm going to take over.
But this person came over and was like, you know what? They were right to kick me off.

Speaker 2 Like I, I didn't know what I was doing and everyone would have been having a worse experience. But if you have someone that's truly a grill master, which is these are few and far between.

Speaker 2 I would agree. All right.
But Noah Galvin.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, he's not certified, but he's, he's a master of the grill.

Speaker 2 There should be a certification that you need to have in order to man a grill. Do you cook?

Speaker 4 When we first started dating, the gas in my apartment was turned off and Kerry Bradshaw style, I was storing clothes in my oven.

Speaker 2 In the oven. Oh.

Speaker 4 But at this point, I can like, I can like stew. You know, I can, I can clean as he goes and chop for him and stuff.

Speaker 2 You can sue. Okay.
I thought you said you could stew. And I was like, well, Boen Yang is

Speaker 4 exclusively make stew.

Speaker 2 It's like Bowen.

Speaker 4 Really? Do you love stew, Bowen?

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I love it. Just because you could just, you like throw her all in there and she just simmers and there she is.
Or what, what about it, do you love it?

Speaker 2 No, it's that. It's like, it's perfect stoner food.
It's like, yeah. Oh, it's, it just really hits every spot.
Love it. As Taylor Tomlinson recently said, a stew is just soup with something to say.

Speaker 2 That's perfect. I thought that was really apt.
I thought it was beautiful.

Speaker 2 Well, Bo, looking ahead, I hope that you have people around you that can barbecue this summer and aren't playing in your face. I just think like,

Speaker 2 look, I love a public space. I love a public park with grills.

Speaker 2 The smoke do billow. The smoke do go into other spaces.
And it's like, oh, we're just trying to play cards here on our blanket.

Speaker 2 But we're getting the draft. We're getting the downdraft from the grill that's like 200 feet away.
Spatial awareness is going to be huge this summer when it comes to creating smoke, fire, and more.

Speaker 2 Period. So now it's time for Ben Platt's.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 Are you ready, galvanized and free? Noah galvanized?

Speaker 4 In between two.

Speaker 2 Okay. Noah Galvanize.
You've heard that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Noah Galvanized. He's heard that.
Well, his drag name's Noah Vale, but I do also like Noah Galvanized.

Speaker 2 Noah Vale. That's really cool.
Wait, can I try this? Because Bowen is not sold on my drag name, but I'll try it out on you.

Speaker 4 Do it.

Speaker 2 Splasha Cram.

Speaker 4 I like Splasha Cram.

Speaker 2 I was never against Splash.

Speaker 2 You do that thing you always do to me, which is, yeah, the iconic first name, Splasha. No, that's not.

Speaker 4 Also, Also, one that I heard recently that's not for me, but that I think is good is Sharon Elise. Like Sharon Elise.

Speaker 2 Sharon Elise. Sharon Elise.

Speaker 4 Or Alexa Pro.

Speaker 2 Alexa Pro is. Alexa Pro.

Speaker 2 Okay, you ready? Yeah. Well, you're between two.
Like, like, do you need help to decide?

Speaker 4 One is, like, so niche, and one is

Speaker 4 like Braddy.

Speaker 2 Niche and Brady. I think do niche.
I think you can make the niche one Brad.

Speaker 2 Let's do niche.

Speaker 4 Okay, I'll do niche.

Speaker 2 Okay, this is Ben Plus. I don't think so, honey.
Time starts now.

Speaker 4 I don't think so, honey, on DoorDash, when they tell you it's going to come at a certain time, and then they're showing you the path of the car coming towards you, and they fill time by creating like a gridded path on every street heading to your house when you know for a fact that is not the path that the car is taking.

Speaker 4 They're just trying to pretend that he's on his way or his bike or his feet or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 He has not even left the business. He's he's dropping off somebody else's food.
He's fucking somebody else's girlfriend. He's not headed towards you.

Speaker 4 And it's telling you, don't worry, he's just turning right. And he's also decided to take this left as well.
And I also have 30 more seconds. I'm going to throw in the other one.

Speaker 4 I don't think so, honey. Straight people asking me, what am I going to do for pride? Because I don't know what am I going to do for pride.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to be gay and hang around other gay people like I do the rest of the year. You're staying in business what I'm going to do for pride.

Speaker 2 What are you going to do for pride, sir?

Speaker 4 Are you going to advocate for us? Are you going to go to a parade? Are you going to take your shirt off? What are you going to do for pride? Are you going to come see me at the palace?

Speaker 4 You should do that for pride.

Speaker 4 I'm continuing to live and cohabitate with my same-sex partner. Thank you so much.
59 and a minute.

Speaker 2 And I don't think so, honey. That is one minute.
Good for you. I was just in Palm Springs from Royal Day weekend.
Those bars were filled with,

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, but bachelorette parties. And not to say that Palm Springs is like an exclusively gay thing.
It's fine. It's just like you get the sense that

Speaker 2 now more than ever,

Speaker 2 and I love the straight girlies, but like at the gay bar during Pride, it's like that's not really your space.

Speaker 2 Like when the real housewives of Salt Lake City went to Palm Springs and stayed at the Trixie Motel, and then they went over to like the gay bars and stuff, I was like,

Speaker 2 I think this has changed forever. And it did.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like it was different this year than it's ever been.
Wow. Because of Salt Lake.
I mean, I don't know. I can't.
I can't. I haven't researched my findings.

Speaker 2 Those were historic episodes. They certainly were.
They certainly were. And I wouldn't take them back at all.

Speaker 2 But I just noticed that the gay bars in Palm Springs this Memorial Day weekend, it was a different situation than years past for sure.

Speaker 4 Okay. When is that going to come back, Salt Lake?

Speaker 2 It's done. They've shopped the season.
The fall.

Speaker 2 The ladies did very well at the Last Culture Resource Culture Awards nominations. They did really well.

Speaker 2 They're up for

Speaker 2 the Bene Gesserit Award for a group of women that sleigh. For most slay group of women, yeah.
Most slay group of women. They're up for best picture, literal picture.

Speaker 2 Whoa.

Speaker 4 You guys have Last Upper Picture?

Speaker 2 It is. No, it's the one for Women on a Beach.

Speaker 4 Oh, of course. Of course.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The Last Upper Picture, though, is...
It's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 That got snubbed. It got snubbed.
And we're getting a lot of flack for snubbing the rumors and nastiness and receipts-proof timelines greenhouse.

Speaker 2 But listen, like we, we don't control it. Like it's, it's like we don't control the nominations.
So sorry. I'm just mad at someone else.

Speaker 4 That's okay. The last ever picture will get like an OB or something.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 Speaking of nominations, I nominate Ben as one of our best guests, one of our favorite people.

Speaker 4 That's nice.

Speaker 2 This album is so good. I absolutely loved listening to every second of it.
Honeymind is streaming now, and you got to go see Ben at the palace. You just have to.

Speaker 2 You'll be giving yourself a big gift, like I said.

Speaker 4 And if you don't live in New York, I'm going on tour after that. So I'll be

Speaker 4 somewhere near you. So come see me.
It'll be like pretty much the same thing.

Speaker 2 Stream Honeymind now, I said. And I, and

Speaker 2 Matt was saying he nominates Ben. I have the envelope in my hand.

Speaker 2 And the winner is

Speaker 2 Ben Black.

Speaker 2 Babe, you won. Babe, you won.
Wake up. up.

Speaker 4 My adrenals are so shot from the palace, they don't even know how to react.

Speaker 2 You got to go see him quick before his adrenals totally give out. Because

Speaker 2 they're on their last legs.

Speaker 4 Thank you for this award.

Speaker 2 He's chugging room temperature water just for you.

Speaker 4 It's gone. From the whole episode, it's gone.

Speaker 2 That's good. You need your strength.
We love you, Diva.

Speaker 4 Love you guys. Thanks for having me back.

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