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Look, man.

Oh, I see.

My eye.

Oh, my.

Oh, and look over there.

Wow, is that culture?

Yes.

Goodness.

Las Cultoristas.

Ding-dong.

Las Culturistas calling.

With a big announcement.

Oh my gosh, we can finally say the sleuths have been getting their magnifying glasses out, smoking from their little pipes.

Sherlock Holmes.

Are we going going to have to create a new category?

Rears, Katie's, publicists, finalist, Kyle's, and Sherlock Holmes.

No, we're not going to.

That's enough.

Yeah.

Kyle's, I also want to just fold into Katie's.

Can we just officially fold Kyle's?

No, we can't do that.

And what?

So John.

Where did four come from?

I like four.

I don't.

No, you know what?

I can't believe it's already this acrimonious.

You can come in here.

You fly in with your big ideas.

You're supposed to run this by me.

Why would Kyle's float into Katie's?

You think I forced the Kyles through?

I wouldn't say that you ran it by my ass

on me.

Well, anyway, we can have this discussion later.

We can have this.

Here's the thing.

Maybe Kyle should do something to make it so that they deserve to stay.

Kyles,

y'all better hit us up if you want to be in the acronym.

We're talking to you.

Oh, by the way, later on in the episode, when we bring our guests in, I want to pitch my...

Kyle Richards spin-off.

I don't think we need any more of her on my television.

Well, I think

you might disagree with me when you hear what I have to say.

Is it Kyle Richards does tongue twisters and we can't even understand her more?

I lost it.

I lost the three.

Big old bitch.

Well, I'm just like, I'm sorry if you hear her.

This is my Kyle Richards impression.

I'm trying to remember.

Like, like her version.

When she gets emotional, she does sort of.

You know what?

No, we do need more Kyle Richards on TV.

When you hear my idea for the spin-off, you're going to be like, get that girl and her twisted tongue.

Green light.

on the screens again.

I have such a good idea for her.

Okay, speaking of Bravo,

I think it is public now.

August 5th, the Lost Culture Reesta Culture Awards will be on Bravo and streaming on Peacock the next day.

Yes, immediately streaming on Peacock.

This is going to be incredible.

We are filming it in LA.

We can't say where.

We can't say when yet.

All this information is going to come out piecemeal over the next couple of months.

But yes, it's true.

I guess, in a way, publicity season has begun.

This means publicist season has begun.

That's why it's a little bit delayed.

Normally we have them in June, obviously.

The timeline is a little bit sort of shifted down, but your work begins now.

Yeah, we can officially say we truly start award season now.

Yes.

Because it's going to be us August 5th.

And then the next month, probably what, three weeks into the month in September is the Emmys, whatever that is.

But we will be first.

It's time for everyone to start talking about people, things, places, happenings that you think need to be called out and shout out.

Categories will be announced soon.

Yes.

And nominees following after.

And then we're going to have a big old show again in L.A.

We'll say more about when later, but August 5th, August 5th.

Big day.

We have a Culture Award winner here.

Yes.

Culture Award winner.

I was trying to count how many times our guest has been on the show.

I think this is like eight or nine.

Yeah.

But then that wasn't including all of the sort of iconic i don't think so honey appearances of course oh my god gauntlet do gag how about wow remember the gauntlet do gag where where our guest

famously said i don't think so honey when you fart and a little cum comes out in front of my mother father and sister thus bringing us all closer yeah and he still didn't even win he should have though no well rachel peak rachel peak iconically won yeah and she is yes rachel peakrum did win that parent square but it's like any awards show where there's the winners and then there's the people that you rigged well i mean you'd have to take that up with our judges for that show which were jinx monsoon and alaska

icons

wow wow well the gloss coach really has remained over the years it has remained real loss coach really has remained over the years especially real coach or number four

gloss coach really has remained over the years we'll get to work on that book soon at some point too So our guest is the host of Bravo, speaking of, Love Hotel, which airs on, go ahead and say it, April 27th, 8.7 Central after Atlanta.

Which, by the way, Atlanta has been great.

I've heard.

I know that we're going to talk a lot about the happenings in Housewives right now.

Remember, we're recording this.

What is it?

April 16th.

So we're about, you know, some days behind where we are when this comes out, but we're going to give generalized thoughts.

No, right.

This is airing the 30th.

Thank you.

Airing the 30th.

So listen, everybody.

You know, our guests, you love our guests from the film Fire Island, the television show, Loot, stand up all across America and the world.

Australia, even.

Australia, even.

God, it's just like cool it.

You know what I mean?

Like cool it.

Like

the delta must be diamond.

Well, I bet it is.

Everyone, please not miss your ears.

Joel Kimbooster.

Million miler, actually.

Million miler.

Yes, Hanish.

Are you a million miler?

I've been driven to her connecting flight on the tarmac.

On the Porsche's.

Yes.

In the Porsche.

You know, that is a good perk.

But one thing is like, you better make sure that you don't have your AirPods in, or else when they they call your name for that, you're going to miss it one day.

Yeah, no.

I just got back from Boston in my little pod and left my wallet

at the airport and it has ruined my life because boy, do I not have proof of citizenship.

Whoa.

Which in this climate, you need it.

Tough.

Tough, tough stuff.

Tough stuff.

So does that, where's your passport?

I have a passport, but here's the thing.

That is no longer enough.

And I have a provisionary birth certificate that Illinois issued me because Korea can't find mine.

Jesus Korea.

This it's actually real culture number eight.

Jesus Korea.

It was likely stolen, let's be honest.

But honestly, okay.

The beginning of your life was a caper.

The beginning of Joel Kim's life was a caper.

Starring George Clooney.

Yeah.

And J-Lo.

Imagine if that was out of sight.

I've never seen it.

I've never seen it.

Wait.

So it's, what do you mean it's no longer enough?

Well, they, I literally got my real ID with this provisionary birth certificate that Illinois issued, but that is no longer, they need like the real hard copy of it now.

Come on.

What do you mean now?

Like it in the, yeah, it's because like back when I got the real ID a couple years ago, it was all fine and dandy.

And I did scan my way into getting a replacement real ID by holding my thumb over the provisionary part of the birth certificate when I got to the desk.

And they don't care.

You can't really,

the woman in line.

Oh, whatever.

I don't think any of the people who are in the middle of the big spring is a million miler.

But no, the thing is, is like the woman in line who checked my documents was like, they won't take this.

And then I got to the desk.

And of course, she did.

She didn't.

She doesn't care about her job.

She has no loyalty to the DMB.

It makes me feel so sad when people so obviously don't care about what they do.

Like, or like, or, or they're so checked out and hate what they do so much.

And I just walk away from people like that.

And I'm like, God, they have to sit there and do that all day.

i how do we how do we bring joy to the world you would rather they be river ramirez's character in in yes

stan with the bank of america i think the funniest moment in any fit cinema is the funniest moment of 2024 absolutely like bar naught that was so Fucking good.

That is like, where was the non?

Viola Davis in doubt level.

No, this is coming in.

And you know, this is what I keep saying.

And now that we're out of Oscar season, no one can really take offense because it's all over.

I have to say, the category fraud was worse than ever this year.

It's so bad.

We need rules to change the way this is because how can we honor the River Ramirez's of the world?

And how can we keep honoring the Viola Davis's of the world?

Who, mind you, I will remind you, the reason we have Viola Davis is because she got an Oscar nomination.

Exactly.

14-second performance.

The race should have been Ariana Grande versus River Ramirez.

Period.

Period down.

Until they change it, like, are they going to change it?

Are the Oscars going to go gender-free?

Who has those so far?

The Indie Spirits have.

They have it.

The Gothams have it.

I believe like a lot of the critics things have it,

but not all.

The Golden Globes don't.

Critics Choice doesn't.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, the wave has begun.

And we are restarting the wave here.

We're rippling it here.

Like, you know what I think would be fun if it's like everyone shows up to the Oscars and no one knows who's nominated and who's not.

And it's just, it's a surprise.

Five people get Oscars and it's a total surprise.

It's totally random.

You've said this before.

And I love it.

It's like, okay, we're going to announce one winner.

Have I told you about the production of Urin Town that my college did my senior year before we graduated?

Wherein they put up the cast list.

It was just a list of names and we were all confused.

No cast, no characters.

Okay.

Everyone was very confused.

And then we come to find out that they will all be wearing black, I'll be wearing masks, and I'll be playing every part.

And every night will be different because they will pass the ball, quote unquote, mid-song or mid-line, mid-scene.

Chaos.

This is true.

It was one of the worst things I have.

I was on board

because it's like, I just want to see the one bitch who can hit the note.

Right.

Privileged to pee.

I just want to see that one bitch who actually can hit the note.

Yes.

He was set up to fail by being born with a male voice.

We all were.

It's actually roller coacher number 30.

We were all set up to fail by being born with a male voice.

AMAB voice is a curse.

AMAB voice?

Who cares what we can sing about?

Oh, my God.

It's real.

Yeah, so that sounds like your production of the Oscars, honestly.

But I'm not even behind this.

I'm not different.

No, I am.

I would have to be.

I'm not behind this.

I'm like, I don't know how to fix it, but it needs to be fixed.

I did have a whole like

rubric with how they could do the lead in supporting things, but then I'm just like, I don't know.

Ultimately, who cares?

Right.

Where are you finding the time to sit down and Google Sheet and break the screen?

Joel, you've known me, what, over 10 years?

you know you know i just sit here and talk when am i finding the time

here and now i don't know but no i am genuinely curious about the same thing of like

what is your

in the day like when do you find the time to watch videos about universal studios to watch videos about to watch to read prognosticators like you you do have a really wonderful palette in terms of your media you do but we all three of us sitting here know that acting is 90 sitting around.

A hundred percent.

Drinking liquor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so like, well, you're at your, I'm sure you're in that channel.

Here's the thing.

And to answer your question and probably actually start a conversation about what are specific things that we go online for.

I have one.

I only have like three or four little online hobbies.

And to be honest with you, ever since I was a very young gay kid, going online and looking what was getting like the Oscar buzz and finding out what was happening in the film industry was always always one of them.

So now that I'm like in the business,

it's directly aligns with what my online interests always were.

And the same is true of like me being on Roller Coaster Tycoon when I was a little kid and like wanting to know what was going on in that industry.

So that's still one of my niche interests.

But it's like literally real housewives, like.

Yeah, what's going on in the theme park industry and what's going on in the entertainment industry?

And when awards season kicks up, that really is in high gear.

But those are my things.

And I'm curious, like, what your guys' things are.

I, especially after this Japan trip, I am like,

and I, and you, you guys have known this about me, but it's, it is specifically Final Fantasy games.

And I am, all I've been doing on this press store, where I'm this, I just finished press for wedding banquet, and what I've been doing in between is just playing this fucking game, being a botanist, going around the woods, collecting tree bark and collecting plants.

Are we talking rebirth?

No, was seven rebirth?

Absolutely.

One of the best, one of the best final boss sequences ever, but I was talking about the MMO, Final Fantasy 14.

Oh, you're still

in, I'm still in that MMO world.

I'm 10 years into this fucking game.

I love this game.

So, some of the best storytelling period in any medium.

I am Jonathan Bailey voicing a little cat boy.

I've always, I've always hyped up Jonathan Bailey's performance as Grahatia.

And I've even told him on the side instead of Wicked, I said, I just have to tell.

After he complimented

is a lyric from Abraham Dabra.

Graha Tia.

Grahatia!

I just want coffee all over my good fucking shirt.

First of all, you don't know the.

I don't, I think it will be okay the niche culture of people, of gamers who are going to die at the fact that you have made a lost culture moment out of singing the name Grahatia.

I just want to say, I sang Grahatia to Abra Cazara Lady Gaga, and I think ruined this.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, we'll just try cleaning it.

I love this too, man.

It's a really good nit.

Yeah, no, no, no.

This is a knit I worked with, Joe.

This is like, and it, it, like, only L.A.

Only L.A.

That weight of the tank.

Did you feel it?

Did you feel it?

So this type of fabric is just water.

This is just water.

No, that'll be,

yeah.

You guys, sorry, but this is all going in the episode.

It's all going in the episode.

No, because this is a very real human moment of sisters being by me and there for me and supporting me when I ruined my Todd Snyder tank that could only be worn in L.A.

That could only be worn in LA.

Pre-Coachella.

Anyways, we're going great to.

No, no, I just want to make more than Grahatia.

Well, I complimented on the set of what did Jonathan Bailey's performance at Grahatia after he was so kind and effusive about Fire Island.

Yeah.

So anyway, I just, that felt like the proper exchange.

Okay, Joel, what are your internet?

I mean, mine right now is literally YouTube essays about movie projects that never happened.

Becon Rewind.

Becon Rewind.

Becon Rewind is one of them.

Bullets and Blockbusters is the one that I'm really into.

And

quite frankly, hours and hours and hours of Marvel Rivals.

Really?

I am so deep into Marvel Rivals and watching YouTube videos.

All I do in my trailer is watch YouTube videos about Marvel Rivals.

Explain, because I have not did my toe in Marvel War.

It is, it's Overwatch, but with Marvel characters.

And I never played Overwatch.

I never played any of these kinds of games before because it seems like I need a game that has an end point.

Otherwise, it will happen what has happened to me with Marvel Rivals, which is

I've played over 200 hours of this game since December.

The last four large arguments that I have gotten in with my fiancé

have been about this game.

What are the arguments that are just me getting tilted?

Like fully, like getting on a losing streak and wanting and like getting so angry.

And he's like, you can't, this is a game.

And then

your version of having a sports team and yelling at the TV and your wife, JM, being like, I can't live like this.

Are you?

Yeah.

Exactly.

And he, and it's so ironic because he loves, he's a video game producer.

Yeah.

He understands.

He understands.

But like, and he's wanted me to get into games, you know, we've played games together a lot, but like this kind of game for a minute.

And then I did, and it's turned into something quite.

Yes.

The slope was slipperier than you thought.

Can I ask, not to reveal too much about JM?

Well, people know this about JM.

Would it be different if you played League of Legends?

No.

Okay.

Because JM is associated in the game.

Yes, he works it right.

But like, I don't think he definitely doesn't care what it is.

yeah, what it is, okay.

He probably thinks it's beautiful, the game you love, yeah.

No, he, I mean, he plays himself too, but like, that's the problem is like we're directly playing this game, and he is so much better at video games than I am.

And it's this first time where I am like

we've never, we we never compete, but like there is like you get ranked in this game.

Oh, that will do you ranking.

It's like, boy, do I,

it's like, I cannot stand that he is a higher rank than me.

How much higher?

Um, like a fair amount.

Like, it's gotten to the point where we can't play together because he's in a different way.

Oh, he's in a different tier.

He's in a different tier than I am.

I don't understand why, how professional athletes are friends with each other because that is a thing, a system where you are, there is a value system, literally.

For love of the game.

Well,

at least it's an objective standard.

I mean, the fact that we're all still friends, quite frankly, is ridiculous.

If there was a numerical system that ranks, I say ranks gay actors, I mean they couldn't give gay actors

though.

They do.

I mean they do.

Jim is publishing it currently as we speak.

No, but that's not real.

I always know where I stand when there's an announcement about the podcast and it's like Chapel Rohn was on Boen Yang's podcast Lost Culture Reestas.

I always remember that I'm like down here in 54 and we're sitting here with three.

And three is a chasm away from two.

Okay, let's talk about it then.

Who's one and two right now?

I think Jonathan's probably

number two is

Andrew McKellen.

Matt Bomer.

Andrew's oh, Andrew Scott.

Andrew Scott.

Oh, for sure.

I'm three.

The famous one.

I'm not three.

Let's be very clear.

You don't have

terminants on your mind.

You're like the third most viral moment from the fucking Academy Awards.

So let's not.

Three and three and that.

Yeah.

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And let's talk about your amazing performance in the wedding banquet.

No, we're not.

Wait, if you haven't yet seen the wedding banquet, it's out seen it twice.

It's out now.

It's so good.

It's fantastic.

It's in theaters.

It's in theaters.

And can we?

Yeah, it's so good.

It's a great passing of the ball.

I mean, it's, you know, we're talking here.

My friends are being sweetheart angels and that's very good.

But no, Bone, You're so incredible in it.

Everybody, and like, you're literally next to fucking Lily Gladstone.

Lil.

And can I tell you, I told her this at the premiere the other night.

I took her hands in mine and I said, we know you can act, mama.

Yes.

But I did not know you could make me laugh like that.

Yeah.

I did not know you could land the joke.

And that's a riot games right there.

She's a riot.

She is a riot.

She gives such like a sweet, soulful performance.

I love Kelly Marie Tran.

Kelly Marie Tran.

I'll die for her.

I hope that this is is like her Phoenix Rising rebirth.

I love her.

Yeah.

Because the way these fucking geeks and nerds and losers and incels treated that woman.

Oh, yeah, no.

During Star Wars.

Yep.

And by everybody.

And the infrastructure of Disney and Star Wars not protecting her.

100%.

And what I find to be the perfect sort of inversion of that is that she felt that she was given time and space to come out as queer.

Like she did this Vanity Fair interview and she like kind of like kind of blurted out that she was like excited to make a movie as a queer person, a queer movie as a queer person.

She's like, wait, oh, I've never told anyone that before publicly.

The journalist David Canfield, Bless, and the producers of the movie were like, we're going to hold the story until you decide what you want to do with this.

And then she came out, made that decision, and then has felt nothing but love and support ever since.

And I'm like, that is the perfect panacea to that crazy, crazy experience of Star Wars, which I'm like, now it just seems like

it's not quaint in retrospect at all.

That is, it's still, it still remains crazy to me in terms of that scale and that outreach.

But I'm like, we've all kind of experienced that here in some degree too, where I'm like, God, what is?

And this is this thing that, it's this thing that Matt has said.

It's like, it's bad.

The culture is bad because the political climate sucks and therefore people exercise any kind of control or will over the culture, over what they consume.

And so I'm like, I'm so glad Kelly has this moment to come out of that and be like, oh, I, I, now I know what it's like to be like held and loved for who I am.

She's really fantastic in the movie.

Like, and it's also like, I was, I did the QA.

There was like a special screening last night.

I did a QA with Andrew and the cast.

And one thing that I was noticing is she's got so many individual relationships to play.

She's really like, it's

true ensemble, but she

is the lead.

Yeah.

Andrew is such a fucking wonderful collaborator.

Yeah, he allows every performer to put so much.

And I can tell, I just know knowing him and having worked with all of you too, like I was watching watching the movie and I was like, well, that's Bowen.

That was Bowen.

Yeah.

You know, and like that, like, there's a, there's a beautiful silent moment between Lily Gladstone and Kelly McShan that came from them.

So great.

And Andrew, you know, collaborated with them.

This scene that has no dialogue, that is one of the most beautiful scenes.

And that came from them.

And like, and the fact that Andrew allows space for that in his films, I mean, you, you guys remember Fire Island was just sort of like.

There was so much connective tissue there.

And one thing I was noticing is like the theme

and like this of Polaroid pictures and family photos.

Like my compliment to him that I'll say now on the podcast is I feel like I could walk into the house of the wedding banquet because the house where they live is also a character.

And I say that in an annoying section, the city is like the city is the fifth woman way.

Which it is.

I just mean like the house is this like beautiful landmark, but it's more than that.

I feel like I could walk into that house and know where everything is.

And I feel like as a director, his sense of place and his sense of like community within an environment is so strong.

And he's so

gifted at creating atmosphere.

Yeah.

Can I say, though, Matt, unfortunately, like intent doesn't always relate to impact.

So you saying you're not, you're saying it not to be annoying doesn't but unfortunately we get super annoying.

All right, so now

go ahead.

Was it annoying or not?

No.

No.

Oh,

I was nervous for a second.

No way.

No mood.

Personally, can I say too, I had a really emotional moment when I went to the premiere and the big poster was on the screen.

And it was the first time I'd ever seen from the director of Fire Island.

Yeah.

And it made me feel so like, I was like, oh, that, that is kind of forever for a sec.

Well, at least like it's still alive in that way.

And there's like, I don't know, a legacy now.

Like our movies are sisters, like in a lot of ways.

But it's that, it's that

quote in the studio, in that pilot of the studio that Catherine O'Hara says, where it's like, if you make a great movie, it's great forever.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

That's, that's the beauty of film.

Um, and let me, I'm going to say this, and I don't care.

We're masturbating.

I don't care that we're masturbating.

But like, somebody posted a photo of a bootleg DVD that they had created of Fire Island, and I reposted it, and everyone thought I was mad about the

baby, please.

bootleg the film.

Okay.

We need physical media.

Yeah, we actually do need physical media because I'm like the way it's living on streaming and like at the whims of Disney and whatever tax breaks they might be looking for at any given moment.

Yep.

It's so scary to me that I'm like, I need you all to disseminate the, like,

it would be currency in the new world.

Absolutely.

Do you know what I actually did?

Like, not.

not recently, but not a long time ago, like someone,

I hadn't even thought about I Love That For You in a while, but I was like, you know what?

It's been like a couple of years since I've watched it.

Let me just like watch it.

I was with a couple of friends.

Now you can't even watch it.

You have to buy it on iTunes.

You can't stream it.

They did write it off as a tax

and you can't watch it anywhere.

They did such great work and then it gets written off like a fucking tax write-off.

And that happens

all the time now in the era of streaming, which I guess we thought we really had it good there for a while because we did.

I mean, Netflix, thank you so much for completely changing the contours of our entire industry for the worse in many ways.

And also, please buy my shit.

It's like, I guess if it hadn't been them, it would have been somebody.

Somebody, you know what I mean?

It's like, that's, that's, I guess, the, the thing is it's like, that's the way the industry was going to change.

You know what I was thinking about the other day was the quibby of it all.

Like Quibi like failed so spectacularly.

Like we both, we both had shows like like launch with it, but the idea wasn't wrong.

no because listen my boyfriend works for a chinese-owned company and has meetings with china over there all the time and and tick tock in china is much different than tick tock over here in some ways because all they're doing is creating now narrative content that is broken down into five to ten minute chunks aka over time quick base

aka quick bites and it's taking off like wildfire in china and it will be modeled over here eventually.

He was just too early.

And I think the pandemic kind of well, the pandemic certainly and the lack of ability to make stuff viral

was really what killed it.

The lack of

conversation.

That was a huge.

I remember we had to completely, Game Show had to completely rely on

what the social was.

Right, right.

And I was like, sure.

And if it's like you to Ross Katz instead of taking screenshots of it, honey, I'm no certain about it.

Then we're going to be able to do it.

I mean, Evan Ross Katz wasn't even born at the time.

There was no Evan Ross Katz to screenshot this stuff.

That's how K-dramas are too, apparently, because Gichon was saying, Han Ki-chan, wedding makeup in fantastic.

She's so good.

Huge fine.

Huge find.

Like, so good.

What a revelation.

I know.

Amazing.

I was saying, like, one of my favorite moments of the whole movie is, well, this is a spoiler, but there's a moment of like pure

joy and euphoria that he has towards the end of the movie.

Future legend.

So sweet.

But he, um, he comes from this whole pedigree of K-dramas where they just, it's, it's, it's basically a movie.

It's like what Fire Island would have been on Quibi, but they break it down into like these like two-minute episodes.

It's really, that is the future in a scary way.

Yeah, they were without a

like.

I genuinely believe that one of the reasons why we even talk about all of these things is because there was a piece of content to launch it.

Like with Netflix, like the reason why they became a prestige streamer was because of House of Cards.

And then Orange is the New Black Solidified.

The reason why we talk about Kevin Spacey out the door.

Yes.

Oh my God, he's coming in the door.

It's our surprise, Kevin Spacey.

And then like even HBO, like the Sopranos and Sex in the City, like made HBO.

So it's Quibi was without a

flagship piece of content.

Yeah.

Because they went for, you know, and this is not even to drag what we were doing, but like stuff that felt like quick bites.

No, and the thing is, though, I will say, is they took big swings.

Like, no one wanted to buy Fire Island.

No one.

Before it was a completed project at Quibi, no one wanted that no one would touch it yeah and it was originally a quick buy yeah and then they were the only ones who who were really who really believed in it as a project and like yeah so i i oh i i owe jeffrey katzenberg by 500 i remember i remember walking from the our game the office that dave and i shared at the at jacks over to your office and watching joel put like the um the index cards up on the board and they had the the fire island plot points wow when he was still creating it as as like a 10-episode.

I mean, it didn't change much from Quibi, by the way, to serve.

Like, I basically just took out the act breaks and like squeezed it together and made it one big long script.

But yeah, no, it didn't really change.

But they would have made you cast like George Clooney as Conrad.

No, we, I mean, we basically had like a full cast of like bone was always attached to it.

Like, I think you probably were even because we were getting ready to film.

We were getting ready to film.

I remember who my Charlie was.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it was like it was like we were there and then i don't know it just it all changed okay wait because did you now did you see um i for i think it was like gay times or something and now it was like talking about the fire island sequel i want

i want this on director can we have to put it to bail

he was he was pushed in the interview about the sequel and i think he was forced to give an answer and then they of course ran with it yeah no i just listen no we've all been over by had like poll quotes of course before i think everyone has been asked about that.

I'm not really that mad about it.

But the thing is, it's like, it's just

not happening.

Let's talk about Legally Blonde 2, honey.

Let's talk about

reality 2.

First of all, Legally Blonde 2, Red, White, and Blonde.

We can skip it because now there's going to be another one.

Yeah.

Leaguely Blonde 3 is the real sequel.

Yeah, no, but it's just like, let's talk about successful comedy sequels, especially rom-com sequels.

I think people think they want to see it, but they don't actually want to see it.

Like, I think what I want to do, and what will scratch that?

It's the rare sequel that improves.

You're not the original.

But, like, I think, like, I just want to cast the same fucking people in the same movie.

Do Christopher Guest and just have like my

hearing from my

that's what I had heard.

No, I mean, listen, I do still think Fire Island 2 Provincetown is a funny title.

But I mean, there was that summer we were workshopping a lot of ideas about how to, like, how to, how to, like, reintroduce Dex, like Zane.

Zayn's character, yeah.

And I also had an idea that me and Tomas's podcast exploded and we were rich.

And so that Dex was kind of a grifter and dating me for my money, my huge podcast empire.

I can't remember whose idea it was that we just cast him as a different character and we're like, doesn't he look like every gay guy?

But Wickham is, but Wickham remains in the story.

That Zayn Phillips looks like every gay guy is crazy.

No, he certainly does not.

He certainly doesn't.

Sweetheart, sweetie.

Well, no, I should.

But there's going to be a little reunion.

Yeah, there's, you know, we might be working together.

He saw the other night.

I love him.

He's such good enge.

Such good enge.

So funny, so nice.

And it's so annoying.

It's so annoying to look like that and to be smart and charming and nice.

Yeah.

And truly a kind creature, kind of

reader.

Not capital R reader.

Literally.

A reader of literature.

He was always reading on set.

He was always, I remember my image of Zane.

reading my my image of zane will always be i would go out come out of my trailer and we would have like this like bench area where we would always sit and he would be eating his chicken drinking a hot coffee and doing the crossword yeah and that was always his thing and that's who he is on the inside ignore what you're seeing on the outside honey because that is not him that's not him that is not him it gets easier when you're around him a long time no it does i will say though like it is genuinely like i remember filming our our meet cute moment in the movie and being humiliated it's so scary

Like, like, what?

And what will happen now that he's in LA?

This has happened three or four times.

It is so infuriating.

We'll be at one of these like stupid gay parties and some guy will like come up and like we'll be standing in a clump next to Zane and he'll introduce himself and I'll be like, hey, I'm Joel.

And like he'll go around the line and get it to Zane and be like, oh my God, you are the guy from Fire Island.

And I'm like, standing there paid fucking dust.

And I am like,

I was like, I fucking made you and I will end you too saying that

brought you into this world.

Wait, wait, let's just speak on this.

Cause I experienced this recently of getting the nerves when you're acting with a hot person.

Oh, not that it doesn't, it happens all the time, but certain people really fuck your shit up where I was like, when John Hamm was hosting us, you know, I was just like,

like we were playing a couple and I was just like, wait,

I'm scared.

Like, this is like, this is like, I'm, I'm, this is, he's, there's no reason to, no reason to feel nervous around him.

Just such a wonderful person.

But I was just like, wait, but you're so first of all you're don draper second of all you're so handsome third of all you're so funny like like just so many wonderful things about that man and sometimes it it it it knocks me off my center it knocks it for me i was just and like trust me i've seen what people have said about it like of course this guy casts this guy to be like a no to make out with whatever but like no you do think you do take yourself out of it a little bit and suddenly those little your inner saboteur comes knocking and you're like what are people gonna say when they see this right you know um But it's not even that.

It's just like there's something in the space of acting with someone where you're just like, oh, I mean, I genuinely felt that way.

The reason we cast Conrad is because Conrad made me forget my lines in our chemistry.

I was so flustered because he is such a vibe.

Like, I mean, a hot man, like, on paper, just physically pictures.

Yes, it reads.

He's very hot.

But then you get.

with him and like that close to him and it's just like the nerves are like it's crazy because he is so charismatic and such a vibe.

And like, gravitational field is distorted.

He's great.

I want nothing for the best for all of you except for one person.

Is it?

Anyone say who?

I won't say.

Sam.

No, it wasn't you.

Is this real?

No.

It might be someone.

No, no, no, no.

I was like, but I was like, no, we all love it.

Everyone's family.

Everyone's family.

The chain stays late.

Yeah, the chain is alive for birthdays.

The chain is alive for when someone

is exciting.

Yes, that's true.

I will say, so we were briefly evacuated during the LA fires.

John Michael was like, we should, the night before, and I live in an area that is normally not affected by fires at all.

He was like, we should pack go bags.

And I was like, okay, like thinking, this is never going to affect me.

I don't need to do this.

So I just packed a go bag with my passport and my social security card,

which apparently is not enough.

Yeah, I was going to ask.

No.

And nothing else.

And then the next day I drive to San Diego for a gig and I get the evacuation notice and he said, don't worry, babe.

I grabbed your go back before we went.

And I went, but did you look inside of it?

And he said, no, why would I need to?

And of course, this is an impasse that you get to with your partner where you're like, I'm mad at you, but I know I have no.

I have no standing legally in a court of law.

I have no standing.

You told me to pack the bag.

I did not pack any underwear, toiletries, or anything in it.

Oh, I can't.

So he just grabbed an empty bag.

And he just grabbed the empty bag.

But what he did decide in the moment of panic to grab was the Glad Award and the Gotham Award.

Oh my surprise.

Oh,

the cutest thing.

Because

he was like, I don't know.

I just thought like maybe you might want these

if something happened to the house.

This is so funny.

Not any underwear or toothpaste.

I'm sorry, but like we do sit at home alone and play the newly whit game just to practice.

Just to practice.

I get it.

And the real strategy here is it's not about answering what you really feel.

It's about answering how you think your partner will answer it.

It's a mentalism, yeah.

I was going to say it's a mentalism.

There was a mentalist at the screening last night, and he blew my mind.

Anyway, we'll keep talking about this.

Oh, no, I think we're not.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, wait, wait.

But no, I was just going to say, because like he,

he knows that if someone asked, what is Joel's favorite movie?

I obviously that's a ridiculous question to ask.

Like, crazy.

Who has it?

Like, if you have a favorite movie, I don't think so, honey, like, grow up.

But he knows the answer is my best friend's wedding.

Yeah.

My answer for him is Scott Bill versus a World.

And so now, when you're put in the situation where you have to play the Newlywood game, you know,

speaking of being a Newlywed, do you have something to ask?

Oh, I think you have something to ask about.

Fuck the culture rewards.

Here's the real announcement for the pod.

Here's the real thing.

I was not brought on to promote Love Hotel.

I was not brought on to promote anything else.

I was brought on for this announcement and this announcement alone after years away that these two might let's get tech tile.

Tactile.

Let's get techile.

Don't forget me in the circle.

Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers are in my wedding tab.

Bro,

we're so excited.

Can we say what we're planning on doing?

Not when.

Not when, but when we're talking about

NOLA.

NOLA.

We're doing joint bachelor parties, separate houses.

So smart.

Oh, is it separate houses?

Separate houses.

And then we've joined together for one night.

Oh, gotta, gotta, gotta go.

Where the rest of the time, we just get to be for the last time with our friends.

before we never see each other.

No, before you can never sleep with anyone again.

I, um,

yeah, no, I'm really excited.

You know, we're not finding out what the other person is wearing to the wedding until the day of.

What?

That's beautiful.

That's really cute.

And what's happening is my stylist is coordinating.

To make sure that we don't look insane and then also coordinating with whatever you guys, because

it's sort of going to be like a free, free-for-all.

Like, you know, Chris is going to call us like things.

He will just like, I will send you like color palette probably and just like live within that world.

But like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to be precious about like everyone wearing.

Everyone has to watch it.

Thank you.

Because my big gripe, biggest gripe with weddings is there's such a single-use fashion aspect to it.

It's like award shit.

It's like, oh, what do you mean I can only wear this once?

You know?

Yeah.

So

thank you for, so we can like go from our own.

Yeah, you can pull from the closet.

What colors are you thinking?

I don't know yet.

He wants me to do the mood board because it's a december wedding i kind of want it to be like well obviously like he's gonna probably wear white and i'll probably wear black because i'm the boy and he's the girl but um i i do sort of and this was this actually came to mind watching your film is i would love to reference a traditional korean wedding wedding outfit but like not not the full geese but like but like some embroidery but something that something that is like a reference to that um because i do want to have that in my wedding and like

Yeah, so that's sort of where I'm at right now.

And we'll see what I have no idea what that boy is planning for.

I will be coming in a traditional humbok.

Henbach.

Did I say it wrong?

No, no, it's you said it.

You said it great.

No, you said great.

You say everything perfectly.

I think I would slay the humbok.

Yes.

Slay the humbug.

Gosh, but you know, Kim Chi at the premiere, I got to tell her to her face, I was like, your ball challenge is still

your your book ball challenge is legendary, still one of the best drag race slating race ever.

The premiere slation

of LA.

Slation?

The premiere.

She's making a Joella dude.

Joella.

I have to say, I didn't watch this last season.

We can talk about it.

It feels less urgent to watch it.

I would agree.

And yet, also more in a weird way.

Well, the ratings keeps, you know, it's feeling more and more distant for me.

I mean, I still watch it live when I can, when I have the chance.

Yep.

But it is like, it does feel less like urgent.

Like I used to be like, if I am not there seeing it like in that moment, like I am offline, I am not, you know, like so scared of spoilers.

And now it just doesn't feel, it doesn't feel honestly quite as much for us.

Do you want to know why?

It's because here's what it was for for us.

And this is why we really loved it.

Obviously, the queens were incredible and they were all like aspirational and older than us and smarter like it felt like they were funnier and smarter than us not to say the girls aren't giving now, but we're literally older than everyone watching the show now.

And also, another thing is we were watching it at a time when it was very community building for us.

You know, one day at a gay bar, we got older, and the show is just unfortunately.

Like, I'm really excited for people to discover the show in the later seasons because, unfortunately, I think what has happened is that you see these queens, and they're all very talented.

And this is not to take away, but it has become sort of like, oh, that's your, that's Jinx.

Yeah, Yeah, that's just, that's just new Jinx.

And that's just new her.

And that's like giving Simone.

And that's like, that's why Simone actually is my favorite of the new recent

winners.

I would agree.

Simone feels like she created a new lane archetype for herself.

And, and that, and I don't know that any of the other recent winners have quite done that in quite a distinct way.

They're all wonderful.

I love them.

Huge Anymphia fan, huge Willow fan.

Yeah,

like all of them.

Like Sasha Cobby, amazing but and that's not to take away from that but like let's be honest when we went to drag con

drag race is for and this is not a pejorative no drag race is for katies

I thought you were gonna say kids no no no and I will say like it did become like it it was interesting because now I'm like now with everything changing again I'm like because I remember we were at the DragCon promoting Fire Island and there were so many children.

Yeah.

And now it's like they're really trying to divorce drag and you know, queer identity at all from like exposure to kids or whatever.

And I'm like, How could you not say this is a positive thing?

Even if me, as like a true faggot who like misses when there was lube commercials on logo watching drag race, you know, I do miss that like rawness of it and the aspirational quality of what they were doing in terms of like, I'm entering into the queer community and learning so much about this.

I still was there and I'm like, you know what?

These kids are empowered to be anything they want to be.

And there was nothing weird about it.

There was nothing ugly about it.

There was nothing sexual about it, which is what they're trying to like make it all seem like it's like a grooming center.

And it's like, it was nothing to do with that.

It was only empowering.

Even if I felt like, oh, it's for kids now and straight people now.

It still felt like we won in the fact that like this is mainstream culture.

And to say like it's not urgent watching for like the three of us is not to say that it's not an urgently like no one is happier that Trump won than RudePaul Charles.

okay because

it has made the show so important so so important

again

allegedly but it is it is sort of like I don't want to talk about the state of the world really on this let's keep it light but like it does make the show you watch these shows and we're so desensitized to it because we've so we've like been lucky to have seen it to seen it

exactly

but like you know it's exciting that this is this continues to skyrocket and will continue to be an outlet for these kids.

But the other thing that makes it hard to watch sometimes is that it drastically altered the landscape of what drag in the real world.

And it created an entire cottage industry that did not exist.

Right, right.

That did not exist for drag queens before.

The model of what a working drag queen now looks like is so different from what it looked like back.

you know, even 10 to 15 years ago.

But, but that's even changed back in the last couple of years as like spaces close, as like laws start getting put into place.

The show is very important.

And I have enjoyed the hell out of this season, actually.

I just remember Alyssa and Tatiana lip-syncing and watching that live in a gay bar, like, and the people reacting.

Like, you could just, it was so utter joy.

Like, you know, and like, I just, I enjoy getting together with my friends and watching.

It is a very nice communal Friday ritual, but it is just like,

I feel 10,000 years old.

Totally.

I mean, it's the reason why like survivor's development cycle and it's the way that has aged over time is.

Well, they're facing a very similar problem in that the contestants now are so aware of the meta, totally the world outside of, they're so concerned about what the narrative is going to be.

Yeah.

And they know the game so well

that they, and actually all credit to Queensland Corey King, who said in an interview, She worded everything in those confessionals so that they would have to use her

before

she was like I know the real winner of this show

is who wins the confessional queen of the season and to be honest Corey was like fourth or fifth out but one of the most memorable queens

and has had such a like I think was number one on cameo for a while like afterwards and has like become like sort of like the winner of the season game so well yeah yeah she's and she knew going in how to do that yeah and I all credit to her all like love and power to her, but it is also like it makes it less about the show.

About the show.

I don't know.

It's just like, if it's like a different game

than it was when,

you know, Jinx won.

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What I was going to say about survivor, though, is that like that can age in a way that like somewhat linear, like more people like discover the show and retroactively get into it.

But it's like no one was ever really going to bars to like meet up with their friends to watch Survivor necessarily.

Which is weird because you know what?

Now they are.

Tonight, actually, they are.

We can even go to Tri-Tops tonight to watch it.

They have a great watch party that they do every week.

But I'm saying, like, with Root, with Drag Race starting out like that, and now with that dissipating as people get older, as people don't go out as much with COVID, whatever, all these reasons.

It's like it, it has lost some of that binding agent.

And that's, and that's not the show's fault.

No.

But Survivor is funny because like Survivor is huge with nerds and gays.

Yeah.

Nerds and gays.

And that is who is reflected in the casting too.

Yeah.

And gay nerds.

Like.

And I can't, sometimes I get lost watching it because these people know the game so well.

It's so crazy.

They have to throw 8 million twists into every episode.

And if you don't watch it with your full brain,

you missed it.

It can't be ambient.

It can't be ambient.

Drag Race can be ambient, which I appreciate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, I mean, the way I will put on, I've watched certain seasons of Drag Race like dozens of times, probably at this point, because it is just like season eight, season nine, season ten.

Those go down and put it on, you know, like the all-star season is also really exciting.

I mean, really excited about this insane survivor-esque all-star season that's about to come out.

Wait, what is that?

I'm not sure.

Oh, no,

it's not of Drag Race.

I don't, I'm not sure how much has been announced, but it's 18 queens.

And I will say that the format, from what I have read, the scuttle online is that the format might mirror a certain other drag reality.

Okay.

Did you see Bob the Drag Queen was like all stars is for losers?

Damn.

Yeah, Bob the Drag Queen.

But like, Bob is one of the few winners who could, or queens from that franchise who can get away with saying that.

And like, you're sort of like, yeah, okay.

You know what, though?

All stars is for losers is something a drag queen should be saying.

Yeah, sure, totally totally and bob is like one of the last winners who will say like yeah whatever the fuck whatever the fuck on that podcast you know because i just had a realization moment getting off twitter and like part of it was the reason i got off twitter was i was hacked by the russians and i was away from my account for four days had to pay a lot of money to a lawyer to get in contact with Twitter to get my account back.

And then I deleted it immediately because I kept a little note of all the things I would tweet if I had access to my account.

And then I read it back after four days and I said, none of this is useful.

No.

None of this is edifying.

No.

None of this is worthwhile.

It's incredible that you did this.

I was like, I don't need to say this about Ashley Tisdale.

Like, why would I say this?

Why would I do this?

She's done nothing.

She's an innocent person.

Yeah.

And I now have, like, it's just like, your perspective really does shift.

Like, it's so crazy.

Like, I am.

I'm mind-altering.

I am not in the, I try not to be in the comments after years of doing this.

We all struggle with this.

I know.

Yes.

Yes.

But, because the thing is, is I know all six reasons why people hate me now.

And no no one says anything.

No one says anything only or different.

It's all in the same six buckets.

You're actually right.

Yeah, there is between,

it's a short list.

It says short list.

And it's like God bless that it's no one says anything consistently.

It's new.

I'm like, there's no new reasons to hate me yet.

Except the news stream that I am seeing on some of my videos that come out, like on podcasts such as this, is people being like, His work looks crazy.

Why is he getting all this plastic?

You have not gotten it yet.

You haven't gotten it.

I haven't even gotten Botox yet, bitch.

Okay.

I'm pushing 40 with Rosa.

You will, all right?

Like, what about

my face giving filler?

That one, I asked the seventh bucket now, is that I see, I've been seeing that like happen, and I'm sort of like, huh.

I guess you said

that's a function of time, I think.

I don't know.

I think it's this weird, I think it's a weird, it feels like counterintuitive.

It doesn't feel like these both can be true, but I think it's because I both look older, but don't look as old as I look.

And those those two things combined have caused people to

confuse people because I do look very much the same as I did 10 years ago.

I'm just saying that it's like the hair, probably.

It throws, there's one thing about framing the face that throws people off, and they're like, well, he's gotten work done.

It's literally the hair growing out and getting permed.

It looks amazing.

I wanted to come in here and talk about like fucking white lotus.

And I'm like, oh, that's a distant fucking season.

But you don't want to talk about white lotus.

You know, I do want to talk about white lotus a little bit and say, I think that my take on season three is that it is a a lot of really captivating wonderful moments that did not coalesce into

so you were not ultimately a fan of the season i i i enjoyed my experience on a sunday to sunday basis of watching each of those episodes but did i come away thinking like that it all came together at the end like as like something meaningful i i don't know that i can say that like i enjoyed i really thought it was high quality performances really on an episode to episode basis very good writing and good great moments but the only thing i'm going to to take away from that finale is carrie kuhn's monologue yes the only thing i think so i think so see i was so i'm a huge fan of season three like i loved pretty much every single thing about it and i feel like the walton goggins and amy lou wood storyline like to me it was it was also so um

personally gratifying because I was like, I was watching it and I sat there and I was like, you can't save broken people.

They have to save themselves.

They have to work on themselves.

It doesn't matter how much you love them.

The reason I think I will remember Carrie Kuhn's monologue and you will remember that is because that is so

what you have lived and like what you, a lesson you have learned in your own life.

What do you mean like that?

I mean six broken people.

Yes, right.

You know, like that is a lesson that you have learned the hard way in many ways.

And you've connected with the Carrie Kuhn monologue.

No, and the Carrie Kuhn monologue where she says like she has, and listen, I do not think that we are as toxic as those three women.

We're ultimately.

Thinking about us as them?

No, but I did have this moment.

Cause like we've talked about, let's get raw and real again as sisters.

When I asked you to be in my wedding party, like we are, we are dear, like besties down, and we will.

And I asked you to be in my wedding party because I know you will be in my life for the rest of my goddamn life.

But we're also fucking busy.

You live in two different cities practically most of the time.

You are the busiest man in Hollywood.

I'm very busy.

Like, we don't get to do these things.

And like, it's so funny when people talk about like why I haven't been back on the podcast.

Right, right, right.

They assume that there's always

they assume it's beef but it's honestly because like when we do get to hang out we don't want to do this right

we only get so much time to see each other we don't want to come in and do this when we do it and but i when i asked you to be my wedding party i said i know that like we aren't seeing each other like every week like we used to and we aren't like you know

able to go on like all the trips that we used to go on and all these things.

But like when I think about the people in my life that matter to me, it's not necessarily like maybe the people that come to my house every Friday for driving roads.

It's, it's, it's you guys.

And like that monologue really resonated with you because it, it really does have meaning.

And like, I think that that is like, for me, it's like being in a relationship and like getting older, like both of those things combined.

Like, I really, you recognize that because you really do have to be intentional about maintaining friendships when you are in a relationship.

Like, and, and, and it's so hard to do because I am living and about to marry my best friend you know and so like i think like a lot of the things i used to like need from friendships i'm are being provided but like it's it's a metric it's a trick it's a trick though because like we i don't like we've we've also like been like we need to hang out with our friends without each other too like the you know like we don't have to do everything has that happened more and it has happened more yeah yeah like i um you know like

we like i was just talking to jared the other day who shouted out, I'll announce Jared's also in the wedding.

But like, I was like, he was like, you and James should come over.

And I was like, or I could just come over.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because that might, like, that might be nice.

It is interesting.

It's like, cause it's all about like all of a sudden, because life goes, it does go by quick.

Yeah.

And then I feel like what was so great about that.

episode and the arc that the three of them were going through was they will leave that vacation and they'll probably remember two things the traumatic shooting that they survived

and the fact that they were able to have a great last dinner yeah and they won't even remember valentine they won't remember the bitchy little comments they won't remember that one of them was a little bit more drunk they'll remember like this piece of it and they'll remember how their relationship like

got better and now has this like um memorable like trauma bond moment again and that's when life goes by like that and then she's saying, like, you look at your choices.

It's because it's the people that have been there for a really long time that you can see in different stages of your life.

And then you can say, wow, like

I

have made choices to be this person who I'm sitting here right now.

And now I'm sitting with two other people who are also have gone through the same amount of time and the same amount of development, but in a different way.

Like, here you are about to get married.

You know what I mean?

Like, you have a certain type of career, which is like, you know, keeps you busy and is in the stratosphere all the time.

And sometimes like you would think like maybe a third person in that would look at both those things and be like, I'm the Carrie Coon.

But we all at

this point are feeling like the Carrie Coon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean?

And Leslie, babe.

No.

We all are Michelle.

No, you're Michelle.

I'm Leslie and you're Carrie.

Well, I mean, I'm

you're Leslie.

You're Leslie?

No, no, I don't.

Well,

I'm getting married.

You're getting married.

I've now switched to, I'm Michelle.

And you spend the most time in Austin.

Yeah, it's true.

And I smile.

Yeah.

And you would rock a county.

And you're an independent.

You probably are the closest to independent.

He certainly hates the Democrats the most.

Yeah, I guess.

That's the headline now.

Joel Camboose hates the Democrats.

No, but I mean, like, it's, I was, I, it was actually, I can't remember the last time I spontaneously burst out in tears.

I actually can.

It was when Kiwa Kwan was in everything everywhere all at once, when he was saying, you have to be kind.

like, please be kind.

I like spontaneously burst out in tears, but I was watching Carrie Kun give that monologue and I just, I burst into tears because I was just like, it's true.

As you get older, like

it's not about like, what haven't I done or what don't I have?

It's like very hard to get to a point where you're like, you know, the things I've done are enough.

Like I've tried,

you know, to develop myself.

Like it's gone this way in a positive way, this way, in a negative way, whatever it all comes out in the wash anyway when you're still here

my mirror this season is

thinking

he was your father or what does street la say at the end he told me

i love i love street la

when we got to see a little bite of her as a young

footage iconic i mean also like the thing about him being the dad though i was like i said that the minute he said the story that his mom told him to Amy Lou, I was like, oh, well, that guy is going to be your dad.

That's the dad.

And they cast him very well.

I will say that that part, I was like, this we saw, we did see coming from a mile away.

And you know what I think would have even been a better reveal?

A monkey with a gun.

We all want a monkey with a gun.

Here's what I was thinking the whole time.

How did Walton Goggins' character afford that vacation?

What if it was revealed like he's been a trust fund baby his entire life?

And actually, he isn't this badass.

He's just like this like sort of spoiled, like straight guy who's like the kind of guy who's like, I'm going to wear like a funky scarf.

I've been worried about a lot of the shit that I've said on this podcast so far, but this is like, I don't, I don't really care, but like, this is why he needs a writer's room because this is one of my biggest problems with the Walter Goggins storyline is I don't know who that man is.

I do not know who that man is.

And I think we could have gotten to a very funny thing, which is where the fuck did you think you gotten all your money from?

Like your dad is the owner of this house.

Put it up on the board.

Put it up on the board.

It needs to be an index card.

Because literally, how did that couple afford that vacation?

Yeah, it's and that's the thing: is like, it's not super important, but it would have been nice.

But you know what?

Justification always makes things better.

I feel like that is true in writing.

Like, justifications always make jokes funnier if you can get there.

And justification always makes, like, if you can strengthen it, I think it's always better to.

Well, and that's why I think, like, for me too, like, it's a

the fact that like the first two seasons were what they were, and even the third season was as strong as it was, is a miracle that he did this by himself, that he has that inhabitant to do by himself.

But I think like the seams that we're now seeing and the disconnect that we're feeling with the third season is because like, I don't think that one man can continue to play with the same ideas over and over and over again and create something that is going to feel as meaningful as the first time.

Yes, there are limits to auteurship that we need to come to grips with.

I don't disagree that that because he's not reinventing the show every season.

Yeah, no.

Well, I actually kind of like that about it, though.

I kind of like that the formula.

Like the formula for me, like really works.

And I do think that there's been drastically different like things that have been said by both, by all three of the seasons.

I will say, though, just out of principle, there should be a writer's drum on a show like that.

That's what we're saying.

Just out of principle, because it is one of the last ways you can like apprentice great writers and like, you know what I mean, like get people started in the industry.

And this, this has nothing to do with how talented and how brilliant I think he is, because ultimately, let's be real, all creators and showrunners rewrite all these episodes anyway.

Right.

Honestly, that would be a huge win for the entire game.

Let's give the monkey the gun.

Let's.

Yes.

Can I say that?

I hated from the beginning monkey has the gun.

I still hate it.

I was a big advocate.

I was a big advocate.

Y'all are laughing.

I'm not laughing.

I don't think it's funny.

I don't think it's funny to think about the monkey with the gun at all.

I just didn't think it was going to be as straightforward as it was.

It was pretty straightforward.

See, I but for me, it's just like when I saw Amy Amy Lou Wood unable to run away from the toxic man who was going to get who was going to, it was going to end badly for her, I was like, I've been her.

Totally.

And this is an important story.

No, those are y'all's mirrors for sure.

Yes.

And you are a famous actress who, Asian, Asian actress, who married a wealthy white lady.

That wasn't really your mirror, though.

What was your actual mirror?

I was going to say my mirror was,

I don't know.

is that bad it's also fine to not have a mirror in the season let's see

I am gonna say

I'm still thinking about Aubrey in season two yeah and see that but that's not that's not that's not that's not an answer to the question I don't I don't I probably don't have one for I mean but but like but that just goes to show there's different things being reflected in each of the right in each of the seasons I think that yeah I don't know her character was fascinating you know my I've been pressuring my therapist into watching white lotus because she's never watched it I went in today and she's like, I'm halfway through season two.

I fucking love it.

Oh, God.

She was like, season one was amazing.

I'm like, it was.

Like, put some respect on season one's name.

Season one's great.

No, one is great.

Well, and that, can I just say, I don't want to beat up Mike Went too much because, again, I love his work.

Enlightens is one of my favorite shows of all time.

He's brilliant.

We can talk about all this stuff because he's brilliant.

Yeah, because he's brilliant.

But like, there was very little, like, with the staff this season.

Yeah.

This was the least amount of story,

impactful story that we got about the staff?

Well, I mean, what was the storyline for the manager, the security guard, Lisa?

Can I say the thing with Lisa?

I think the reason why the Lisa thing feels weird is because they did not even expect anywhere near a star at her level to want that part.

And when she wanted that part, I think part of his hesitance was like, but the character is not consequential enough to justify her.

But then she was so good and really wanted to do it.

What are they going to do?

Say no.

I mean, her acting is so well-grounded.

It's great.

Oh, wonderful.

She just, and ultimately, I remember we were all like, and there's going to be something with Lisa because there has to be why would you cast Beyoncé in

a show and not have her be like a centerpiece of the finale?

And I think that probably was something that was on his mind during casting.

It's like, well, should the role be more?

I don't want to just make it more and change the whole thing because it's her, but if she wants to do it and she's good enough,

you didn't, did you find any mirrors in the family?

Are you a Lachlan at all?

i might be

i might be a piper i might as someone that's interesting someone who wants to like individualize and then realizes that like they are not going to go to such lengths to like like they have found themselves in the act of trying to find themselves in a different way and then right they swing back the other direction being like this is not who i am you also would rather die than be poor Exactly.

I loved her storyline as well.

And when she she was giving that monologue about, like,

she was great, by the way.

Sorry, Catherine Cook.

Great vibes.

She interviewed.

She was my interview on Today Show when I co-hosted.

Oh, really?

She's such a cute vibe.

Yeah, she's adorable.

And she's talented.

And a trained opera singer.

What?

Yeah.

At SUNY Purchase.

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Let's touch on housewives.

Oh,

I want to pitch my housewives.

Oh, yeah.

We'll start there.

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Okay.

And he's listening.

Kyle goes to Aspen.

Kyle starts her life over as a lesbian of the woods.

Kyle of the woods.

The poster for the show is Kyle in her huge chimo-sabi hat, looking at the camera in the back, the woods.

Kyle starts over as a

lover of same sex in aspen where she wants to live i'm sorry she leaves beverly hills we start the show over it's her it's maybe a couple of her friends that come in it's more like people visit from beverly hills to come see her come in and out and we see kyle's new life in aspen as a queer woman I will say my only note, my only adjustment, if I'm the executive sitting across the table, is I would say we already have a winter landscape and that is doing quite well.

I would maybe suggest if you want woods, maybe Pacific Northwest.

I was gonna say that.

Maybe she wants shit, but Aspen is where she wants to live.

Maybe Seattle.

And also, I would say the fact that Salt Lake City works is a reason to do it.

Interesting.

How about this?

Kyle of the Mountains.

Kyle of the Woods, like JT tried to be.

I like Kyle of the Woods.

I like Kyle of the Woods.

Is this...

Kyle of the Woods sounds like a dangerous plant you shouldn't eat.

Oh, honey, that's Kyle of the Woods.

That's Kyle of the Woods.

Don't Don't touch that Kyle out of your mouth.

Is this modeled?

Because I'm not watching the Denise show.

Is this kind of like the Denise show?

I like the Denise show, by the way.

The Denise show is

the way that they live their life is so crazy.

But yeah, I guess it is.

I mean, maybe it doesn't have to be an ongoing thing.

I just think maybe like eight episodes of Kyle living in Aspen, like exploring this new part of her personality, because I don't think this is my kind of hot take about Beverly Hills.

It's not there yet for a reboot, but I don't think we're far away.

Right.

I don't think we're far away at all.

It's getting, um, the self-production on Beverly Hills, I think, is the worst of any of the franchises.

Yeah, they're also afraid to say or do anything.

Yeah.

And it's just, it's so, like, I really like talk about something that didn't coalesce into anything.

Yeah.

Like, I'm so sorry, Mike White.

I meant to say that.

Take that note away from White Lotus.

Apply it to Beverly Hills.

Yeah.

Because by the end of that reunion, I was exhausted and I wanted to walk out like Garcelle.

Also, So like Sutton going to Garcelle's room and Garcelle not being there and just being like, she's gone.

And like, like that being the way that their friendship ended.

Like, well, I don't know.

How do you guys feel about the Garcello-it-all?

I didn't watch the final, I didn't watch the third part.

I'm only, I will say, I'm only halfway through the third part.

And again, didn't feel urgent to finish in the same way that some of these other shows are right now.

I think that

And I just actually presented an award with Garcelle, met her in real life, so warm, so kind.

She's been on the show.

She's great.

She's a star.

She's great.

Star.

I don't think she has it in her to be a housewife.

I don't think she ever liked it.

I don't think, like, because she, when the, when the guns were pointed in her direction, couldn't handle it.

It's not, I don't even think that just she couldn't handle it.

It's, she didn't want to do it.

Like, she didn't, like, she doesn't want to do that.

Yeah.

She went a really long time, I guess, five seasons without ever being the person in the hot seat.

Yeah.

And like kind of far down on the couch always.

always, and also not for nothing, but for something that I knew when she was saying in the beginning of the season that she was positing the theory that the Dorit, the Dorit robbery was staged.

I'm like, you're going to have to deal with

stand by that.

You will have to stand by that.

And I mean, she did, but she hated that they had a problem with it.

And it's like, well, of course they're going to have a problem with it.

Like, and then, and then you can't walk your way out of the insinuation you're making.

You're very baldly making the insinuation.

And lots of people did.

And so, like, santen towers down like you know i i but like i just don't know that she like she thinks in that way she has she and clearly doesn't need it in the same way and that's i think the difference that's the difference is that i think like she was working really hard at the beginning maybe because like it did kind of reignite a lot of things for her but all those other women i mean the reason doreet is is showing up right now yeah

love or hate is because she needs the check yeah and garcel one thing you could say about her right now is she's leaving not needing the check she is making lifetime movies good for her yeah you know like she doesn't need it and i think like you could feel that and i i want them hungry and desperate and needing it right i mean sutton unwatchable kyle i as we know my feelings on kyle erica whole makeover the fact that erica came for garcel for not being interesting and erica's one storyline this season was redoing her living room i'm sorry i liked bose i mean i thought that bose like definitely livened things up I think, yeah, no, she's, she's going to be a major player for a while.

You know,

I don't know.

It just felt icky.

It felt icky.

I don't believe that they're friends.

And the Kathy sort of runway moment.

I was like, that is

a thing.

We've really let, we've unfortunately, I think we've fed.

the goose too much with Kathy.

The future of the entire housewives empire lies in one woman and one woman alone.

And that woman's name is Stacey Rush.

But still, I read.

Can we go back for a second?

I actually believe that the relationship was not real.

But I do believe that what she said to him was, this will be really good for you.

Like your business.

And then he extrapolated from there that she was paying him to be on the show.

I agree.

You're going to trust him over her.

He's clearly on hand.

we've seen him on the show like it is like it is to take his word for anything is actually quite ridiculous exactly i believe stacy more than yeah tj i believe that she's not telling the full story but that's okay she's left with

i think that bowen has some like i love her he's got love blinders on i got tip blinders on she's got the most amazing

famously boob guy booby her boobs are perfect um when you were saying the future of the franchise i really thought you were were going to say one word and one word alone, and that is Shamia.

I mean,

I need to start Atlanta.

I need to start Atlanta.

You haven't started it?

I haven't started the season.

Oh, Atlanta is really good.

So Atlanta has been, so Kenya Moore just exited.

And it's been really, I think it's been a really, really compelling

season overall.

Porsche's great on the show.

Porsche is great on the show.

And I worry, I don't want to see a schism between her and Shamia.

And I fear that

direction.

It's like, it's like definitely happening.

But like, Shamia starts the season.

Like, she is the center.

She's in the center with Porsche.

No, Shamia

is a revenue.

And I didn't know she had it like that.

And what I have since learned is that they have been, that Bravo has known all along.

Oh, what that she has got the juice in that peach.

I was like, but her husband wouldn't let her be more than a friend of until now.

Because I think he did not understand how powerful the show was until now.

I honestly, it really is surprising because the first episode, the first scenes of the first episode are all Shamia's amazing home.

Like, she starts a season.

She's multi-talented.

She's got like this very full family, this big, full life.

Like, and it's just, she's obviously great on camera.

She gets it.

It's like the way that they

started fights, but ended them at the right time.

Yeah, she gets sound bites.

She's beautiful.

She got fashion.

And she's very connected to everyone already.

It's like, so surprising that they tried this with Marlow before Shamia, but I guess, yeah, Shamia had like an extenuating circumstance.

Because, yeah, it's just, she's, yeah, I, I love it.

I, Portia's doing great.

I love Angela.

Love Kelly.

Yeah, I like Kelly a lot.

And, and again, like, the thing is, is that, like,

Kenya really, it's so frustrating because

Britt is not for the show.

you know i don't know i can't i i agree with you the thing is is like the

threatening her with a gun is is crazy.

Yeah, and like, if we didn't know, if we didn't know what was violent, if we didn't know what was coming with Kenya, the entire audience would have been like behind Kenya.

Yeah, would have been behind Kenya.

But then Kenya takes it to such an extreme level that is unforgivable.

You just can't get past it.

And also, it's like, it's like the look in her eyes when she was doing it.

I was like, oh, no, you got to deal with stuff.

No.

Like, this is so many other dark things.

And can I say, too, like, the big difference between a lot of what Kenya did and say like for instance Porsche physically assaulting Kenya at the reunion and still coming back and still being on the show is that what with Porsche that was like a heat of the moment in the moment thing that she immediately

immediate remorse.

Yeah, it was not a premeditation Kenya's thing was fully she had to print she had to go to fucking Kinko's and print revenge porn.

She went out of her way.

Okay, so we should also say it is not revenge porn because it was not

legally not legally speaking.

Yes.

But let's begin.

But it was porn that was being used for shame.

For shame and revenge.

But I want to protect us legally.

Yeah.

I'm Sonny Houston.

Yeah.

I have a legal note.

Kenya would sue Las Colch.

I don't put anything past anyone.

Yeah, you're right.

It's true.

Do you put things past people?

No, never.

You've never been one to suffer fools.

I don't put anything past y'all.

That's your housewife's tagline.

I don't put anything past anyone except,

I don't know.

This is mine.

This is mine.

I don't suffer fools, but I do suffer joint pain.

Not suffer from, suffer joint pain.

Here's mine.

I'm back on the East Coast, and I'm doing the most.

Oh, that's actually a slant rhyme.

Okay.

East and D.

Kind of running those words.

Go ahead.

I don't know because I have my

go-to one, but I don't want to do that one.

I do want to to do a new one.

And it's like,

I'm from Chicago, so you know I know how to ride the brown line.

Oh my God.

Riding the brown line as a euphemism for gay sex.

Riding the brown line is time of that.

I'm a powerful woman in this scenario, so you don't know what it means.

Right.

It means you're a powerful woman taking him in the butt.

But what if, never mind, yeah, we'll leave it at brown line.

Riding the Brown line can mean topping.

It is verse vocabulary.

Yeah, sure.

Well, no one would know.

You know, he's coming out as all sorts of things, bisexual.

No, I'm saying that he's bisexual.

He thinks so.

I'm Kinsey five, maybe 4.5, but Matt is kind of twisting that into thinking that I'm a top, which I never have identified.

I think it would be fabulous for you to try it.

Have you ever

used it?

I've topped.

I've topped.

You have.

I just don't, I don't wear that as an identity in a way that I think is meaningful.

yeah i mean

you know what i mean

you know what i mean he doesn't watch gay porn and see a mirror of himself in the top no it's always the bottom yeah honestly yeah although i'm back in my i'm back back in the game back in the case

um

by the way i was getting subscribers to it's an iconic podcast

search for the next l woods really still i get i get notifications every now and then it is still available on patreon is it actually It is still available on Patreon.

Search for the next Elwood.

I forgot until I just was listening to it the other day that Patty Harrison herself wrote the theme song.

Thank God for COVID.

There's the headline.

There's the whole thing.

Thank God for COVID that Patty

theme to do, and we had nothing to do better than to make this podcast.

And Patty was free enough, and the only time she'll ever be free again to write the theme song for our podcast.

Wait, so if we're still getting subscribers, does that mean people need to fill Patty?

I made it free.

free oh you made it free

okay because i was gonna say i was the big scandal

big scandal would be that we've accrued like thousands of dollars that we said was going to charity it's now free yeah okay

cousin of the week still another great podcast segment cousin of the week was good okay let's do cousin of the week you still reference just in general cousin of the week was it was a segment on Matt and Joel on the search for the next album on the search of the next albums where we said which of the girls was cousin of the week who was giving the most cousin energy I have one who's your cousin of the week and again this is all going to be dated, but my cousin of the week is congratulations on your opening sister, Hailey Steinfeld.

Yeah, yeah.

She's cousin of the week.

She is cousin of the week because of that flame dress.

Yeah.

And we won't say why.

Yeah.

But

that dress is cousin.

This is a Haley Steinfeld stand podcast.

I believe she's the queen of pop.

I do need her to release more music.

Capital Lettuce.

I will jam.

First of all, don't even get me started on, He Wants to Go Higher, which is that song.

But also, there's, what's the

Hell Nose and Headphones?

Yeah, I love that.

Where she's at the party slutshaming people.

I love that.

Oh, great.

She did a song for the Bumblebee movie, the Transformer Spinoff Bumblebee, called Waste Light.

Actually, excellent.

Really?

I need to see it.

Yeah.

It's like.

Bumblebee is excellent.

Bumblebee is excellent.

Watch it on a plane and you'll get your life.

Love it.

Okay.

It's small.

It's a small, it's a character piece.

And Haley carries.

always does all right yeah my cousin of the week is megan fahey and drop um she because now my cousins have kids and i they love their kids so much and megan fahey and drop was so determined to save her child oh and if you haven't seen drop it's really really good wow no you would love it oh i know do you want to know why it's because it's just like red eye oh that is that is someone else said that to me today yeah it's really fun jeffree self is great in it megan's amazing like she should be movie star down megan being spiritually linked to rachel mcadams feels so correct yes and at the time rachel mcadams was my cousin of the week that's right years ago and so i would say cousin of the week and also because i do feel we could play cousins

my cousin of the week is megan fahey and drop who's your cousin of the week my cousin of the week is

I did not really see a moment of this, but it just, it just, I felt the cousin energy was Addison Ray showing up at the Argus set at Coachella.

I was like, I love that for her.

Yeah.

She's always going to be a cousin.

No, yeah.

She gives cousin in that, like, I'm always like, she's got stuff going on.

I don't know about it.

Exactly.

You know,

I'm happy for her.

Of course.

You know, when I see the updates, scroll on by.

But, like, I don't know what she's going on.

I don't know what she's going on.

My cousin Addison is doing things.

Right.

What they are, I couldn't tell you.

Oh, she shot a music video in Paris.

But do you know exactly what your cousins are doing right now?

Grow up.

Grow up.

I don't know what they're doing.

But I will say, you know, who are close to their cousins?

No.

That could be an I Don't Think So, honey, for me.

Oh, frankly.

You know who else kind of was giving cousin when she came out waiting weekend one?

By the way, the Charlie set at weekend one of Coachella was Billy, Troy, and Lord all came out, which was only bested by Nega Thee Stallion set, which saw Victoria Monet, Queen Latifa,

and Sierra.

Wow.

They did goodies.

Good luck booking that stage.

She finally booked that stage.

She spoke at that stage.

She finally spoke of that.

She spoke about stage that she spoke of.

But

Lord was kind of giving cousin energy.

Oh, that's good.

Lord kind of gives cousin energy.

And you're one of Lord's biggest fans.

Biggest fans.

I will say that, like, especially.

She announced her new single.

I saw that.

I saw that.

I'm so excited.

It'll probably be out by the time she's going to be.

It's called What Was That?

Yeah, I can't.

Did you know that?

Oh, my God.

You know, I love that sentence.

Wait, literally, I get texts from Lord.

Look, Lord,

because I signed up for the mailing list.

I love looking down on my phone and seeing that Lord Lord texted you.

My new song, What Was That out soon?

Wendy Williams.

I hope she samples.

I hope she samples.

Oh my God, look, and there's single art.

She gave cousin energy in that she was finally, for the first time in a while, she was the elder cousin in that.

In that lineup of people.

Yes, she was the elder cousin.

She was the elder cousin.

And like,

you know, it's like that thing where it's like yeah i it just like because she for so long was the youngest right in the entire expanded family yeah she really was now that we're a little bit older we're like welcome welcome yeah welcome in okay well by the way i just pre-saved what was that on spotify it's probably out by now when we when we put this out but i'm really excited

i need we need a powerful lord era absolutely and i was going to say we have needed a huge song in pop that ends with the word that

not i still think about the impact of why did you do that i can't stop thinking about it.

The one of the titles of Joel's episodes.

Why did you do that?

To me.

How have our thoughts on Starsborn sort of developed since that episode?

I think the movie's even better.

It's even better.

I'm sorry to say that after Gaga hosted, I was like, I need to fucking dig into this bitch once again.

Yeah, so good.

And I just,

the first 20 minutes of that fucking movie, the whole movie.

It took you to the Garden of Eden.

It took me, it took me to the Garden of Eden.

And I mean, she's so damn good.

So good.

Like, I forgot about the moment where they're at the bar at the beginning.

She was like, I'm here with Jackson Maine.

Like, I don't know what's going on.

Like, the way she her mind rate of like, I don't even know what's going on right now.

I'm like, that's so sweet.

We love Gaga.

Love Gaga.

Love Gaga.

Okay, what about you?

Starsborne.

You know, I haven't revisited it.

I just talked about it recently, though, because I was talking about

how

she was so wasted in Joker 2.

Like, why cast her in that role?

And

why do bad singing?

Why cast Lady Gaga to be a bad singer?

Correct.

Like, it seems like such a waste.

Like, Gaga as a singular entity will forever be iconic as a musician, as a pop star,

as a person of the culture and as an actress.

But I do think after seeing the penguin, you could slot Christine

Miliatti into any role that Gaga has ever done.

Oh,

and it would be ignored.

It would be better.

Oh, my.

God.

It would be better.

You are.

Except for Starsborn.

Except for Starsborn.

Right.

Except for Starborn.

Of course.

But

wow.

I know she was, I know you're close personal friends now.

No, no, no.

But you just want Kristen Miliati to work more.

I want

that.

I just think she is so brilliant.

You guys just watch the Penguins.

I watched the Penguins.

I watched the Penguin.

Oh, okay.

She's amazing.

I mean, I came on here and said, sang the praises.

That is the way you, if in this world where we cannot sell anything that is not connected to an existing ip

like that's the way you do it is you sneak in you like women's that the penguin is not a story about the penguin it is about women and women's stories matter women's stories matter they wrapped up women's stories in a

yeah penguin piece of cheese superhero and piece of fetish to these boys yeah that didn't know what was about to hit them and colin was amazing and colin and yes no and that's not to discount colin's performance

is incredible as well but like, I was so impressed with that show because you could have never, you could not know what Batman is and enjoyed the shit out of that show.

Absolutely.

And in fact, I had to convince many people who were like, I don't want to watch a Batman show.

It's not a Batman show.

And it's not a Batman show.

It's simply

a show about women.

Yeah.

But can I say

Gaga would have been great in Penguin?

Yeah, she would have.

She would have.

No, no, it's true.

Maybe not better.

Maybe that's not the verbiage I want to say, but like, I do think that like the

you're seated for either of those.

I wanted Kristen Miliatti and House of Gucci.

Yes, that's, I think, what I'm saying.

I wanted, I want House of Gucci too with Lady Gaga.

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Like, I can't get enough of

House of Gucci.

You know, best supporting actress is House of Gucci.

Salma Hayek.

Salma Hayek.

Salma Hayek will do the goofiest shit.

She will, she is down to clown.

Like, the fact that she's gonna be.

I'm ready to do I don't think so honey.

This is I don't think so any.

This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture.

Matt has something.

He is ready and rearing to go.

This is Matt Rogers.

I don't think so honey.

Time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, not enough utilization of the icon Salmahayak in media across television, film.

I would love to hear the album.

We need Salma Hayek's Pinot's debut album.

By the way, House of Gucci, we needed the lesbian scene with Lady Gaga and Salmahayek saying, and now in the year of our Lord 2025, we needed that.

I don't think so, honey, that we didn't get it and they shot it?

Where's the deleted scenes?

Bring back DVDs.

That's another topic.

I don't think so, honey.

The Marvel movie they tried to do with all of them.

And they kill Salmahayek off right away.

Oh, Oh, Eternals, yeah.

Eternals.

No, I guess not.

I guess very, very temporary.

The opposite of Eternal.

And I don't think so, honey, that we talk about Salmahayek in this

casual way.

You should be bowing down to Salmahayek.

Salmahayek has impact that we're not even understanding or recognizing, and we need to change that.

I don't think so, honey.

And that's one minute.

Just a little like asterisks to your I don't think so, honey, is that like, I don't think so, honey, Marvel changing the line reading.

in the original trailer for the eternals you can clearly hear Talma Hayek say and we've talked I think we've talked about this on the pod before tanos

with tanos you know and she says it like that and then we go and watch the film we sit down for the film me and my life partner go down and sit for this film excited to hear the line reading

and then they changed it to Thanos they changed it to Thanos they made her go back they made her go back into the ADR booth and say Thanos I've got some.

I've got it.

I don't think so, honey.

Let's go.

This is

zippers, but I'm like, I got nothing.

All right.

This is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

ADR.

And this coming from an ADR legend, I slay the ADR booth because guess what I'm doing?

I'm matching tone.

I'm matching acoustics.

I'm matching lip flaps.

But sometimes it doesn't need to happen.

Sometimes we stumble on our words and sometimes the audience doesn't have to understand us.

Sometimes you can just cut around it, you lose the whole damn line.

ADR sometimes, I don't mind it, but sometimes they count you in and they sink it in wrong.

Sometimes it's just,

sometimes it's humiliating.

You see, I don't want to see my fuck ups up close.

And 15 seconds.

Maybe it's okay to sit with that.

Maybe it's okay to not go back in the booth because you know what?

I like Sandra Bullock crumble.

Five seconds.

I'm not good at voiceover in general.

And ADR is my one safe space, but now I'm ready to let that go because I don't think it's worth it.

And that's one minute.

I also, I've never not noticed it.

Exactly.

I noticed

it.

Every single time.

And

I'll go in to do ADR and I'll be like,

I'll see what the issue is.

And I'll be like,

do you think it's better to do obvious ADR over this?

It's something about the post-process that I don't understand.

And when ADR is obvious, it drives me nuts.

Sometimes it's necessary.

Listen, you get moments like Thanos.

You get moments like Tanos.

First of all, who's to say it's not actually pronounced Thanos?

Yeah.

On different planets,

very American that they did that.

Well, it is like, I think that they saw, because there was like a little bit of, it was a little viral for that reason.

And I think that they were like, this is a serious film.

Okay, that is ridiculous.

First of all,

here's my question.

Do we think, and this is my question to you, someone who's seen Eternals?

Was her performance in the moment where she said Thanos like so stunning that they felt like they had to use the Thanos take and maybe she said Thanos eight other times, but they just didn't like those takes?

I don't know.

I believe that Salma Hayek gives a brilliant takeaway.

I mean, comedic, I think Salma is like independently wealthy in a way that like she, the reason we don't see Salma is because Salma does not want to be seen.

Doesn't need to need to work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She she picks and chooses the weirdest things.

Like Like that Black Mirror episode she did.

Oh, I love that episode.

It's so incredible.

It's so incredible.

But like, you're, I'm sitting there watching it, and I'm like, how did they get her?

How did they get her?

I think it's an opposite thing.

I don't think people go to her enough.

I think people just assume that she's comfortable.

Yeah.

Ooh, interesting.

I think people should roll the dice more on Salma.

I think filmmakers need to shoot their shot with Salma more.

She is like down.

She's so willing to do big, like big take big comedic swings big character choices like oscar nominated actress yeah forget incredible incredible 30 rock legendary oh so good like one of the best of all time guest stars reoccurring guest stars on that show uh-huh um and she was one of the best parts

and almost i would say all of his girlfriends stump casted girlfriends on that show yeah were

Elizabeth Banks Edie Falco um there was another one there was another one oh Julianne Moore

Elizabeth Banks um yeah and then

Lachlan's mom.

Oh, Emily Mortimer.

Emily Mortimer, right?

Yes.

Yep.

Yes.

Bones.

Avian Bones.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Avian Bones.

I just want to say, I know this is cheating, but I haven't been here in a while.

The other two I don't think Sohani is ever going to do other than the one I'm about to do is A, I don't think so honey people who text their email address or phone number in this,

not in a separate text to make it easily copy and paste.

Yeah.

That is texting etiquette 101 as far as I'm concerned.

Do not send me your email address or phone number in the body of a large block of text so that I cannot get to it.

But I have to do my Instagram DMs.

Instagram DMs, especially are hard.

Yes.

You know?

And it's just like,

I cannot stand it.

I was like, now

I have to do this manually.

You've changed my behavior.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And the other one was people who say, wow, that really made me laugh, the group chat.

Because you are upending the entire ecosystem of, ha ha, lol.

ha ha ha.

You've now downgraded.

You've really pulled the curtain and I'm seeing like, oh,

that pithy thing that I said that got four ha-ha reacts on the chain.

So how do you feel about this?

How do you feel about these two words?

Actual lol.

No,

you've broken the illusion.

I say actual lol.

And the thing is, what does lol mean then?

What does lol mean?

What does lol mean?

Should this episode be called actual lol?

What about

this?

I'm laughing.

I love I'm laughing.

Yeah, I love I'm laughing.

I'm laughing.

I'm laughing.

It's like all of it, though, is just sort of like, oh, that took me out.

Did it take you out?

Right.

Did it really take me out?

That took me out.

I'm laughing is so general.

You so many use cases for it.

If you're actually lolling, say it applies.

If you're just lolling, you know, for etiquette purposes, great.

I'm laughing is the way.

I'm laughing.

You, I, I promise you, I really am.

Like, if I say I'm laughing, I promise you, I really am.

Ha ha emoji or haha, whatever reaction thing, I can't promise that I'm ha-ha.

I can promise that I

can back up that I did think it's funny.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You into it's an intellectual exercise, the ha-a react.

Yeah, that made me laugh.

I don't like.

I'm laughing.

I'm laughing.

I love.

Wow, that really made me laugh.

Fuck you.

Yeah.

And I, of course, love actual lol.

I have friends who do Real Grin, RG.

No!

I'm so sorry.

They're fans on the podcast, though.

You don't have those friends anymore.

Oh, no.

They're gone.

What about itchball?

Itchball.

Ideball?

I love it.

I had a moment.

Itchball is still a moment.

But it's like going.

The cycles are moving too fast.

Like, we had Chuki for just a brief moment.

Yeah, but now he was never built to last.

Hubs is apparently the new one.

Hubs?

Hubs.

It's how you refer, how Jen Alpha is referring apparently to people that they have crushes on.

Oh, yeah.

And correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe it's, it's, yeah, it is associated with that.

Okay, I like that

father word.

Um, but I, this is a, this is direct intel from Maya Rudolph about her 14-year-old.

I see.

So, um, like, it could just be whatever is going on in LA.

I haven't done the research or, you know, I haven't asked Chat GPT to confirm or deny.

Um, edgeball, I really miss Hannah.

But it's just a lot of people laughing.

are people edgeballing stuff he does i i'm doing it wow i just burst out laughing i just burst out laughing well i mean it's the same sort of over-the-top like nonsense as rolling on the floor right i never i never like

get off the floor get off the floor get off the floor

rolling around

it's filthy okay now i'm ready to go

all right so After two I don't think so honeys,

here's Joel's real I don't think so honey.

This is Joel Kimball's I don't think so honey as It's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Singing competition shows.

I'm talking about you, American Idol.

Guess what, American Idol?

You did it on the first try.

You found her, okay?

Hang it up.

We don't need you anymore.

We do not need the voice.

We do not need X Factor.

We do not need America's Got Talent to find singers for us anymore.

Because guess what?

There is no monoculture.

There is no monoculture.

And your gig, your little playbook, only works if everybody's watching and no one is watching anymore.

Not all of America, okay?

There are too many many musicians.

These are professional karaoke competition shows with a cash prize at the end.

And that's okay.

That's okay.

Don't sell them on that.

Do not promise them a career.

Do not promise them that they'll be stars because many of them will not be stars.

They will end up as the third replacement on Broadway of a B-tier musical.

Okay.

That's a job.

A B-tier musical.

G-Fox.

And yes, I don't want to take away jobs for people, but I'm just saying,

let's frame what you are appropriately.

And that is a karaoke competition show with with a prize, cash prize.

And that's one minute.

Okay.

Edge.

I just stood up clapping.

Edge, edge, suck.

Edge suck.

I just stood up clapping.

And I would like to say for the record, I told you this before the record.

I am watching.

I'm still watching.

I'm the biggest fan of these guys.

I'm watching American Idol.

I'm watching The Voice.

I'm watching it all happen.

Amazing, talented people come through there.

But the fact of the matter is, is that no one is famous anymore.

It is like so crazy.

It makes me laugh.

It makes me laugh when people as an insult are like i don't even know who this person is and it's like no one knows no one is yes no there is not there is not one person there are not there are very few people i should say right that everybody knows yeah like it does it just doesn't exist and in a world where that doesn't exist and it's so fractured right that like you can't you couldn't create another Kelly Clarkson.

You couldn't like, and the reason why, like, it did, it was successful up until a certain point through, you know, we got Fantasia, we got Carrie, we got

Jennifer Hudson, et cetera, Clay.

But like, that was still back when we were talking at the water

cooler about television.

Yeah.

And there's just no monoculture anymore.

And that only, you can only create stars like that when there is a monoculture.

You know what's funny is like

who technically is an American Idol find is Benson Boom.

Yeah, I found that.

And the only reason he's as famous as he is is because he quit abruptly.

I didn't

like that.

So he, he was on American Idol.

He gave this insane audition, like this amazing audition.

And Katy Perry was literally like, do you want to win this show?

You can.

If that's what you want, you can win this show.

And then he like made it to the, I guess, like the live rounds or whatever, and then was abruptly gone.

I think because someone got in his head and was like, yo, if you want a real career, don't stay on this to the live shows.

Do not.

Yeah, no, that, that, that happened recently with another contestant, a young girl who was giving like a Taylor Swift, like she, the heir apparent.

And like, by the time she made it to the lives, she was out because of the contracts.

The contracts.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's another thing that is a problem with this is that like you're locking these people into things that like maybe not necessarily help them.

Yeah.

Do you listen to this podcast?

I watch it.

I listen to it.

Was it do you watch?

I listen to it.

There's a lot of holes in your story already.

I listen to it when it, for me, it's a touchdown for me and my friends.

Okay.

I only listen to it when it's stars.

you don't listen to it when it's stars i don't listen to it you listen to the gaga episodes i have listened to the gaga episodes okay so there's lots of holes in the stars okay and i listened to the kelly i listen i i guess for me i listened to the kelly carson episode what two years ago the thing is

i listen when there's stars that i know matter to you two

so

did you listen to

chapel roan dropped today that dropped out that dropped today i watched her item big snow honey collapse to her

as a scholar of the form i think it was a fantastic

she did great yeah and you did great and you did great and i did great today yeah everybody did great this was a wonderful return to form i was gonna say people will herald this as a return to form

or back yeah i mean like listen i've listened to the cole episode 19 000 times no no no the recent one yeah the recent coal yeah

i literally we we were trapped in a burning man exit line for about eight hours, and we only had the podcasts that were already downloaded on our phones to listen to.

We got to go back.

We went back and listened to it again.

I forget about that as a thing people can do.

Like, people can have favorite episodes of a podcast.

That is sweet.

Like, we have that.

Like, we listen to that one of the murder on the stupid bitch.

Murder on the stupid bitch.

Absolutely.

We revisit Meg's episode constantly.

Yeah.

Well, that was when I got hit by your car.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We visited.

I feel like people see a new classic in the Gabby Windy episode.

Yeah, I do.

I love that.

That one was great, too.

But like, I think it makes me sad sometimes because I want to be tactile with my sisters.

I want to be.

You want to be in the room.

You want to be in the room.

I understand.

I understand.

You want to be with Liz Velvet.

You want to be with Liz Velvet.

Just had her on my back.

She was amazing.

She's great.

She's great.

That was a really good episode.

Yeah.

No.

And again, I did listen to that one too.

But it's just a little bit.

Okay, so lots of holes.

And maybe that's the title of it.

Lots of holes.

Lots of holes.

No, but we have actual law.

We have lots of holes.

And we have Riding on the Brown Line.

Maybe

Riding on the Brown Line.

That feels the most Joel.

You know what I mean?

Well,

what else would feel the most Joel is to plug his project?

Oh, yeah.

So you can listen to Bad Days.

It comes out every Monday, I think.

I want to say every Monday

or Tuesday.

It comes out every week.

It comes out on a weekly basis.

Matt's been on.

I haven't gotten bone yet.

I haven't landed my white wings.

You can watch Love Hotel every Sunday at 8-7 Central following Real House in Atlanta on Bravo.

Not on Peacock.

Not anymore.

Wait, 8-7 Central, but following Atlanta?

I might have gotten it wrong.

Or maybe I got it wrong.

Maybe it's not following Atlanta.

Maybe it's lead into Atlanta.

It's just on Sundays.

But it's just on Sundays.

It's got to be following Atlanta.

I don't know.

If I'm programming Bravo, I'm putting it on after it.

Yeah.

So catch that.

The show is fucking fantastic.

It is.

I want to see.

It's going to be really, it's very different from anything that they've ever tried to do.

I think is,

you know, obviously I'm biased, but I think it's, it's, it's a compelling watch.

And you'll see these ladies in a very different light from their respective views.

And wait, it's, it's Shannon Giselle, Ashley, and

Luann.

Luann.

Okay.

So I like one of them.

Some of the people on it.

I like one of them.

The thing is,

you'll get your life watch.

It will take you out.

Yeah.

An Ideball.

An Ideball.

I'm laughing.

And you'll be on the floor.

Because I'm laughing.

No matter who you're watching.

It's writing the brown line.

Period.

Period.

Unless we'll discuss.

And then let's discuss.

I want to support my sister.

Riding on the brown line.

Right on the brown line.

What else?

And then, yeah, I guess Luke will be out later this year and other things.

To be continued.

To be continued.

We end every episode with a big old song.

I'm so I forgot about this part.

I'm so excited.

Oh,

holy night.

Lots of holes.

The stars are brightly shining.

It is the night.

It is the day.

It is the night.

I've got Rob Dean.

You really checked that song.

You made it your own.

Yes.

Carry underwood, everyone.

Bye.

Bye.

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