"Riding The Brown Line" (w/ Joel Kim Booster)

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Speaker 37 My IOI.

Speaker 12 Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes, goodness.
Wow. Las Culturistas.

Speaker 12 Ding-dong. Las culturistas calling.
With a big announcement. Oh, my gosh.
We can finally say the sleuths have been getting their magnifying glasses out, smoking from their little pipes.

Speaker 12 Sherlock Holmes.

Speaker 12 Are we going to have to create a new category? Rears, Katie's, publicists, finalists, Kyle's, and Sherlock Holmes. No, we're not going to do that.
That's enough. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Kyle's, I also want to just fold into Katie's. Can we just officially fold Kyle's? No, we can't do that.
And what? So, John, who likes

Speaker 12 four come from? I like four.

Speaker 12 I don't. No, you know what? I can't believe it's already this acrimonious.
You can come in here, you fly in with your big ideas. You're supposed to run this by me.
Why would Kyle's float into Katie's?

Speaker 12 You think I forced the Kyles through? I wouldn't say that you ran it by my ass

Speaker 12 on me. Well, anyway, we can have this discussion later.
We can have this.

Speaker 12 But here's the thing. Maybe Kyle should

Speaker 12 something to make it so that they deserve to stay. Kyle's.
Y'all better hit us up if you want to be in the acronym.

Speaker 12 We're talking to you. Oh, by the way, later on in the episode, when we bring our guests in, I want to pitch my Kyle Richards spin-off.
I don't think we need any more of her on my television.

Speaker 12 Well, I think

Speaker 12 you might disagree with me when you hear what I have to say. Is it Kyle Richards does tongue twisters and we can't even understand her more?

Speaker 12 I lost it. I lost the big old bitch well I'm just like I'm just trying to review her

Speaker 12 this is my Kyle Richards impression

Speaker 12 like like her when she gets emotional she does sort of uh

Speaker 12 you know what no we do need more Kyle Richards on TV when you hear my idea for the spin-off you're gonna be like yes get that girl and her twisted tongue green light on the screens again I have such a good idea for her okay speaking of bravo uh yeah i think it is public now august 5th the Lost Culture East As Culture Awards will be on Bravo and streaming on Peacock the next day.

Speaker 12 Yes, immediately streaming on Peacock. This is going to be incredible.
We are filming it in LA. We can't say where.
We can't say when yet.

Speaker 12 All this information is going to come out piecemeal over the next couple months, but yes, it's true. I guess in a way.
Publicist season has begun. This means publicist season has begun.

Speaker 12 That's why it's a little bit delayed. Normally we have them in June, obviously.

Speaker 12 The timeline is a little bit sort of shifted down, but your work begins now. Yeah, we can officially say we truly start awards season now.
Yes. Because it's going to be us August 5th.

Speaker 12 And then the next month, probably what, three weeks into the month in September is the Emmys, whatever that is. But we will be first.

Speaker 12 It's time for everyone to start talking about people, things, places, happenings that you think need to be called out and shout out. Categories will be announced soon.

Speaker 12 And nominees following after and then we're gonna have a big old show again in la

Speaker 12 we'll say more about when later but august 5th 85 big day we have a culture award winner here yes culture award winner i was trying to count how many times our guest has been on the show i think this is like eight or nine yeah but then that wasn't including all of the sort of iconic I don't think so honey appearances.

Speaker 12 Of course. Oh my God.
Gauntlet do gag. How about wow? Remember the gauntlet do gag where our guest

Speaker 12 famously said, I don't think so, honey, when you fart and a little cum comes out in front of my mother, father, and sister, thus bringing us all closer. And he still didn't even win.

Speaker 12 He should have, though. No, well, Rachel Peegram.
Rachel Pegram iconically won. Yeah.
And she is, yes.

Speaker 12 Rachel Pegram did win that Fair and Square, but it's like any awards show where there's the winners and then there's the people that you rigged.

Speaker 12 Well, I mean, you'd have to take that up with our judges for that show, which were Jinx Monsoon and Alaska.

Speaker 12 Icons.

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The gloss coach really has remained over the years. It has remained.
Loss Coach really has remained over the years, especially Ruler Coacher number four.

Speaker 12 Loss Coach really has remained over the years. We'll get to work on that book soon at some point, too.
So our guest is the host of Bravo, speaking of, Love Hotel, which airs on, go ahead and say it.

Speaker 12 April 27th, 8-7 Central after Atlanta. Which, by the way, Atlanta has been great.
I've heard. I know that we're going to talk a lot about the happenings in Housewise right now.

Speaker 12 Remember, we're recording this. What is it? April 16th.
So we're about, you know, some days behind where we are when this comes out, but we're going to give generalized thoughts. No, right.

Speaker 12 This is airing the 30th. Thank you.
Airing the 30th. So listen, everybody.

Speaker 12 You know, our guests, you love our guests from the film Fire Island, the television show Loot, stand up all across America and the world. Australia, even.
Australia, even.

Speaker 12 God, it's just like cool it. You know what I mean? Like, cool it.
Like, hang on.

Speaker 12 The delta must be diamond.

Speaker 12 Well, I bet it is.

Speaker 12 Everyone, please not miss your ears. Joel Kim Booster.
Million Miler, actually. Million Miler.
Yes, Hanish. Are you a Million Miler? She's driven to her connecting flight on the tarmac.

Speaker 12 On the Porsche. Yes.
In the Porsche.

Speaker 12 You know, that is a good perk. But one thing is like, you better make sure that you don't have your AirPods in, or else when they call your name for that, you're going to miss it one day.
Yeah, no.

Speaker 12 I just got back from Boston in my little pod and left my wallet

Speaker 12 at the airport. And it has ruined my life because, boy, do I not have proof of citizenship.
Whoa. Which in this climate, you need it.
Tough. Tough, tough stuff.
Tough stuff.

Speaker 12 So does that, where's your passport? I have a passport, but here's the thing. That is no longer enough.

Speaker 12 And I have a provisionary birth certificate that Illinois issued me because Korea can't find mine. Jesus, Korea.
This is the. It's actually real culture number eight.
Jesus, Korea.

Speaker 12 I was likely stolen, let's be honest. But honestly, okay.

Speaker 12 The beginning of your life was a caper.

Speaker 12 The beginning of Joel Kim's life was a caper. Starring George Clooney.
Yeah. And J-Lo.

Speaker 12 Imagine if that was out of sight. I've never seen it.
I've never seen it. Wait.
So it's, what do you mean it's no longer enough?

Speaker 12 Well, they, I literally got my real ID with this provisionary birth certificate that Illinois issued, but that is no no longer, they need like the real hard copy of it now. Come on.

Speaker 12 What do you mean now? Like it in the... Yeah, it's because like back when I got the real ID a couple years ago, it was all fine and dandy.

Speaker 12 And I did scan my way into getting a replacement real ID by holding my thumb over the provisionary part of the birth certificate when I got to the desk.

Speaker 12 And they don't care. You can't replace it.

Speaker 12 The woman in line, oh, whatever.

Speaker 12 I don't think any of the people who are... But he's really big for his birthday as a million milers.

Speaker 12 But no, the thing is, is like the woman in line who checked my documents was like they won't take this and then i got to the desk and of course she did because she didn't she doesn't care about her job she has no loyalty to the dmb it makes me feel so sad when people so obviously don't care about what they do like or or like or they're so checked out and hate what they do so much and i i just walk away from people like that and i'm like god they have to sit there and do that all day i how do we how do we bring joy to the world you would rather they be river ramirez's character in in yes

Speaker 12 Stan with Bank of America. I think the funniest moment in any film.

Speaker 12 The funniest moment of 2024. Absolutely.
Like bar naughty. That was so fucking good.
That is like, where was the non?

Speaker 12 Viola Davis in doubt level like

Speaker 12 coming in. And you know, this is what I keep saying.
And now that we're out of Oscar season, no one can really take offense because it's all over.

Speaker 12 I have to say the category fraud was worse than ever this year. It's so bad.

Speaker 12 We need rules to change the way this is because how can we honor the River Ramirez is of the world and how can we keep honoring the Viola Davises of the world who, mind you, I will remind you, the reason we have Viola Davis is because she got an Oscar nomination.

Speaker 12 Exactly. 14 second performance.
The race should have been Ariana Grande versus River Ramirez, period. Period down.
Until they change it. Like, are they going to change it?

Speaker 12 Are the Oscars going to go gender-free?

Speaker 12 Who has those so far? The Indie Spirits have. They have it.
The Gothams have it. I believe a lot of the critics things have it.
A lot of them. But not all.
The Golden Globes don't.

Speaker 12 Critics' Choice doesn't. Yeah, yeah.
Well, the wave has begun.

Speaker 12 And we are restarting the wave here. We're rippling it here.
Like, you know what? I think would be fun if it's like everyone shows up to the Oscars and no one knows who everyone is and who's not.

Speaker 12 And it's just, it's a surprise. Five people get Oscars and it's a total surprise.
It's totally random. You've said this before.

Speaker 12 It's like, okay we're gonna announce one winner

Speaker 12 have i told you about the production of urin town that my college did my senior year before we graduated

Speaker 12 wherein they they put up the cast list it was just a list of names and we were all no cast no characters okay everyone was very confused and then we find come to find out that they will all be wearing black i'll be wearing masks and i'll be playing every part And every night will be different because they will pass the ball, quote unquote, mid-song or mid-line, mid-scene.

Speaker 12 Chaos. This is true.

Speaker 12 It was one of the worst things I have. I was on board.
It's terrible. This is my entire life.
Because it's like, I just want to see the one bitch who can hit the note. Right.
Privileged to pee.

Speaker 12 I just want to see that one bitch who actually can hit the note. Yes.
He was set up to fail by being born with a male voice. Yeah.

Speaker 12 We all were. It's actually Roller Culture number 30.
We were all set up to fail by being born with a male voice. AMAB voice is a curse.
AMAB voice. Who cares what we can sing about? Oh my God.

Speaker 12 It's real. Yeah.
So that sounds like your production of the Oscars, honestly. But I'm not even behind this.

Speaker 12 No, I am. I would like to be behind this.
I'm like, I don't know how to fix it, but it needs to be fixed.

Speaker 12 I did have a whole like rubric with how they could do the lead in supporting things, but then I'm just like, I don't know. Ultimately, who cares?

Speaker 12 Where are you finding the time to sit down at Google Sheet and break this? No, you've known me what? Over 10 years?

Speaker 12 You know, I just sit here and talk. Where am I finding the time?

Speaker 12 Here and now. I don't know.

Speaker 12 But no, I am genuinely curious about the same thing: of like,

Speaker 12 what is your

Speaker 12 in the day? Like, when do you find the time to watch videos about Universal Studios, to watch videos about, to watch, to read prognosticators?

Speaker 12 Like, you, you do have a really wonderful palette in terms of your media. You do, but we all three of us sitting here know that acting is 90% sitting around 100%.
Drinking liquor. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And so, like, you're at your, I'm sure you're in that channel. Here's the thing.

Speaker 12 And to answer your question and probably actually start a conversation about what are specific things that we go online for, I have one. I only have like three or four little online hobbies.

Speaker 12 And to be honest with you, ever since I was a very young gay kid, going online and looking what was getting like the Oscar buzz and finding out what was happening in the film industry was always one of them.

Speaker 12 So now that I'm like in the business, it's it's directly aligns with what my online interests always were.

Speaker 12 And the same is true of like me being on Roller Coaster Tycoon when I was a little kid and like wanting to know what was going on in that industry. So that's still one of my niche interests.

Speaker 12 But it's like literally real housewives, like yeah, what's going on in the theme park industry and what's going on in the entertainment industry.

Speaker 12 And when award season kicks up, that really is in high gear. But those are my things.
And I'm curious, like, what your guys's things are.

Speaker 12 I, especially after this Japan trip, I am like,

Speaker 12 and I, and you, you guys have known this about about me, but it's, it is specifically Final Fantasy game.

Speaker 12 And I am, all I've been doing on this press store, where I'm this way, I just finished press for wedding banquet.

Speaker 12 And what I've been doing in between is just playing this fucking game, being a botanist, going around the woods, collecting tree bark and collecting plants. Are you, are we talking rebirth?

Speaker 12 No, was that in rebirth? Absolutely. One of the best, one of the best final boss sequences ever, but I'm talking about the MMO, Final Fantasy XIV.
Oh, you're still

Speaker 12 in, I'm still in that MMO world. I'm 10 years into this fucking game.

Speaker 12 I love this game. So some of the best storytelling period in any medium.
I am Jonathan Bailey voicing a little cat boy. I've always, I've always hyped up Jonathan Bailey's performance as Grahatia.

Speaker 12 And I've even told him on the settings instead of Wicked, I said, I just have to tell. After she compliments, Grahatia is a lyric from Abracha Babra.
Grahatia. Grahatia,

Speaker 12 I just want coffee all over my good fucking fur.

Speaker 12 First of all, you don't know the

Speaker 12 niche culture of people, of gamers who are going to die at the fact that you have made a lost culture moment out of singing the name Graha Tia.

Speaker 12 I just want to say, I sang Grahatia to Avrakazara Lady Gaga, and I think ruined this. No, no, no, no, no,

Speaker 12 no, we'll just try cleaning it.

Speaker 12 I love this too. It's a really good knit.
Yeah, no, no, no. This is a knit I worry for.

Speaker 12 This is like, and it, it, like, only LA. Only LA.

Speaker 12 That weight of the tank

Speaker 12 top. Did you feel it?

Speaker 12 So this type of fabric?

Speaker 12 This is just water. No, that, that'll, that'll be it.
That'll do, yeah. You guys, sorry, but this is all going in the episode.
It's all going in the episode.

Speaker 12 No, because this is a very real human moment of sisters being by me and there for me and supporting me when I ruined my Todd Snyder tank that could only be worn in LA. Oh,

Speaker 12 I can only be one in LA. Pre-Coachella.
Anyways, we're going into. No, no, I just want to say

Speaker 12 well, I complimented on the set of what did Jonathan Bailey's performance at Grahatia after he was so kind and effusive about Fire Island? Yeah.

Speaker 12 So anyway, it just, I just, that felt like the proper exchange. Okay, Joel, what are your internet? I mean, mine right now is literally YouTube essays about movie projects that never happened.

Speaker 12 Become Rewind. Becon Rewind.
Becon Rewind is one of them. Bullets and Blockbusters is the one that I'm really into.
And

Speaker 12 quite frankly.

Speaker 12 hours and hours and hours of Marvel Rivals.

Speaker 12 Really? I am

Speaker 12 so deep into Marvel Rivals and watching YouTube videos. All I do in my trailer is watch YouTube videos about Marvel Rivals.
Explain because I have not dipped my toe in Marvel Rivals.

Speaker 12 It is, it's Overwatch, but with Marvel Masters. And I never played Overwatch.
I never played any of these kinds of games before because it seems like I need a game that has an end point.

Speaker 12 Otherwise, it will happen. What has happened to me with Marvel Rivals, which is I have consumed, I've played over 200 hours of this game since December.

Speaker 12 The last four large arguments that I have gotten in with my fiancé

Speaker 12 have been about this game.

Speaker 12 What are the arguments that are just me getting tilted? Like, fully, like getting on a losing streak and wanting and like getting so angry. And he's like, I, you can't, this is a game.

Speaker 12 And then, yeah, and then that's your version of having a sports team and yelling at the TV and your wife, JM, being like, I can't live like this. Are you? Yeah.
Exactly.

Speaker 12 And he, and it's so ironic because he's, he loves, he's a video game producer. Yeah,

Speaker 12 he understands. He understands.

Speaker 12 But, like, and he's wanted me to get into games, you know we've played games together a lot but like this kind of game for a minute and then i did and it's turned into something quite yes the slope was slipperier than you thought can i ask not to reveal too much about j well not people know this about jm would it be different if you played league of legends no okay because because jm is associated as yeah he works it right but like um i don't think he definitely doesn't care what it is yeah what it is okay he probably thinks it's beautiful the game you love yeah no he i mean he plays himself too but like that's the problem is like we're directly playing this game and he is so much better at video games than I am.

Speaker 12 And it's this first time where I'm like,

Speaker 12 we've never, we, we never compete, but like there is like, you get ranked in this game. Oh, that will do you.
The ranking, it's like, boy, do I,

Speaker 12 it's like, I cannot stand that he is a higher rank than me. How much higher?

Speaker 12 Like a fair amount. Like, it's gotten to the point where we can't play together because he's Oh, he's in a different tier.
He's in a different tier than I am.

Speaker 12 I don't understand why, how professional athletes are friends with each other because that is a thing, a system where you are, there is a value system, literally. For love of the game.

Speaker 12 At least it's an objective standard. I mean, the fact that we're all still friends, quite frankly, is ridiculous.
If there was a numerical system that ranked.

Speaker 12 I think they ranked day actors. I mean, they can't do that.
They rank

Speaker 12 each other. They do, though.
They do. I mean, they do, though.
Jen is publishing it currently as we speak. No, but that's not real.

Speaker 12 I always know where I stand when there's an announcement about the podcast, and it's like Chapel Rohn was on Boen Yang's podcast, Lost Culture Reason.

Speaker 12 I always remember that I'm like down here in 54 and we're sitting here with three. And three is a chasm away from two.

Speaker 12 Okay, let's talk about it then. Who's one and two right now? I think Jonathan's probably

Speaker 12 one. And I would say number two is

Speaker 12 Andrew McKellen. Matt Bomer.

Speaker 12 Andrew's, oh, Andrew's gotta Andrew Scott. Oh, for sure.
I'm three.

Speaker 12 You're not three.

Speaker 12 I'm not three. Let's be very clear.

Speaker 12 You don't have

Speaker 12 permanence on your number. This is the third most viral moment from the fucking Academy Awards.
Yeah, let's not. Three, three, and that.
Yeah.

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Speaker 12 and let's talk about your amazing performance in the wedding banquet no we're not actually having wait if you haven't yet seen the wedding banquet without seen it twice out now it's so good it's it's fantastic it's in theaters it's in theaters and can

Speaker 12 crushes yeah it's so good it's a great passing of the ball i mean it's you know we're talking here well my friends are being sweetheart angels and that that's very but no bone you're so incredible in it everybody and like you're literally next to fucking lily gladstone

Speaker 12 and can i tell you i told her this at the premiere the other night. I took her hands in mine and I said, We know you can act, Mama.
Yes. But I did not know you could make me laugh like that.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 I did not know you could land the joke. And that's a riot games right there.
She's a riot.

Speaker 12 She is a riot.

Speaker 12 She gives such like a sweet, soulful performance. I love Kelly Marie Tran.
Kelly Marie Tran. I'll die for her.

Speaker 12 I hope that this is like her Phoenix Rising Rebirth. I love her.
Yeah. Because the way these fucking geeks and nerds and losers and incels treated that woman

Speaker 12 during Star Wars. Yep.
And by race. And the infrastructure of Disney and Star Wars not protecting her.

Speaker 12 100%.

Speaker 12 And what I find to be the perfect sort of inversion of that is that she felt that she was given time and space to come out as queer.

Speaker 12 Like she did this Vanity Fair interview and she like kind of like kind of blurted out that she was like excited to make a movie as a queer person, a queer movie as a queer person.

Speaker 12 She's like, wait, oh, I've never told anyone that before publicly.

Speaker 12 They, the journalist David Canfield, bless, and the producers of the movie were like, we're going to hold the story until you decide what you want to do with this.

Speaker 12 And then she came out, made that decision, and then has felt nothing but love and support ever since.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, that is the perfect panacea to that crazy, crazy experience of Starbucks, which I'm like, now it just seems like.

Speaker 12 It's not quaint in retrospect at all. That is, it's still, it still remains crazy to me in terms of that scale and that outreach.

Speaker 12 But But I'm like, we've all kind of experienced that here in some degree, too, where I'm like, God, what is?

Speaker 12 And this is this thing that, it's this thing that Matt has said. It's like, it's bad.

Speaker 12 The culture is bad because the political climate sucks and therefore people exercise any kind of control or will over the culture, over what they consume.

Speaker 12 And so I'm like, I'm so glad Kelly has this moment to come out of that and be like, oh, now I know what it's like to be like held and loved for who I am. She's really fantastic in the movie.

Speaker 12 And it's also like, I was, I did the QA. There was like a special screening last night.
I did did a Q ⁇ A with Andrew and the cast.

Speaker 12 And one thing that I was noticing is she's got so many individual relationships to play. She's really, like, it's

Speaker 12 true ensemble, but she

Speaker 12 is the lead.

Speaker 12 Andrew is such a fucking wonderful collaborator. Yeah, he allows every performer to put so much.

Speaker 12 And I can tell, I just know knowing him and having worked with all of you too, like, I was watching the movie and I was like, well, that's Bowen.

Speaker 12 That was Bowen. Yeah.
You know, and like that, like, there's a, there's a beautiful silent moment between Lily Gladstone and Kelly McShan that came from them. So great.

Speaker 12 Andrew, you know, collaborated with them. This scene that has no dialogue, that is one of the most beautiful scenes.
And that came from them.

Speaker 12 And like, and the fact that Andrew allows space for that in his films, I mean, you, you guys remember Fair Island was just sort of like there was so much connective tissue there.

Speaker 12 And one thing I was noticing is like the theme

Speaker 12 and like this of Polaroid pictures and family photos.

Speaker 12 Like my compliment to him that I'll say now on the podcast is I feel like I could walk into the house of the wedding banquet because the house where they live is also a character.

Speaker 12 And I say that in an annoying section, the city is like the city is the fifth woman way. Which it is.
I just mean like the house is this like beautiful landmark, but it's more than that.

Speaker 12 I feel like I could walk into that house and know where everything is.

Speaker 12 And I feel like, as a director, his sense of place and his sense of like community within an environment is so strong. And he's so

Speaker 12 he's so gifted at creating atmosphere yeah can i say though matt unfortunately like intent doesn't always uh relate to impact so you saying you're not you're saying it not to be annoying doesn't but unfortunately i get super annoying

Speaker 12 all right so now

Speaker 12 go ahead

Speaker 12 was it annoying or not no no oh

Speaker 12 i was nervous for a second

Speaker 12 no way no mood personally can i say too that i had a really emotional moment when i went to the premiere and the the big poster was on the screen and it was the first time i'd ever seen from the director of fire island yeah and it made me feel so like i was like oh that that is kind of forever for a sec well at least like it's still alive in that way and there's like a i don't know a legacy now like our our movies are sisters like in a lot of ways

Speaker 12 but it's that it's that um that quote in the studio in that pilot of the studio that catherine o'hara says where it's like if you make a great movie it's great forever yeah you know what i mean that's that's the beauty of film.

Speaker 12 Um, and let me, I'm going to say this, and I don't care. We're masturbating.
I don't care that we're masturbating.

Speaker 12 But, like, somebody posted a photo of a bootleg DVD that they had created of Fire Island, and I reposted it, and everyone thought I was mad about the

Speaker 12 baby, please bootleg the film. Okay.

Speaker 12 We need physical media. Yeah, we actually do need physical media.

Speaker 12 Yeah, because I'm like the way it's living on streaming and like at the whims of Disney and whatever tax breaks they might be looking for at any given moment is so scary to me that i'm like i need you all to disseminate the like

Speaker 12 it would be currency in the new world absolutely do you know what i actually did like not not recently but not a long time ago like someone um i i hadn't even thought about i love that for you in a while but i was like You know what?

Speaker 12 It's been like a couple of years since I've watched it. Let me just like watch it.
I was with a couple of friends. Now you can't even watch it.
You have to buy it on iTunes. You can't stream it.

Speaker 12 They did write it off as a tax. That's crazy.
And you can't watch it anywhere. They did such great work.
And then it gets written off like a fucking tax write-off. And that happens

Speaker 12 all the time now in the era of streaming, which I guess we thought we really had it good there for a while because we did. I mean, Netflix.

Speaker 12 Thank you so much for completely changing the contours of our entire industry for the worse in many ways. And also, please buy my shit.

Speaker 12 It's like, I guess if it hadn't been them, it would have been somebody. Somebody, you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 It's like, that's, I guess, the, the thing is it's like, that's the way the industry was going to change. You know what I was thinking about the other day was the Quibi of it all.

Speaker 12 Like Quibi like failed so spectacularly. Like we both, we both had shows like launch with it, but the idea wasn't wrong.

Speaker 12 No, because listen, my boyfriend works for a Chinese-owned company and has meetings with China over there all the time.

Speaker 12 And TikTok in in China is much different than TikTok over here in some ways because all they're doing is creating now narrative content that is broken down into five to ten minute chunks over time.

Speaker 12 Quick beauty, aka quick bites, and it's taking off like wildfire in China and it will be modeled over here eventually.

Speaker 12 He was just too early and I think the pandemic kind of well the pandemic certainly and the lack of ability to make stuff viral was really as was really what killed it. The lack of

Speaker 12 conversation.

Speaker 12 You're right.

Speaker 12 That was a huge, I remember, I remember we had to completely game show had to completely rely on like what the social was right right and i was like sure and if i like you to rost cats instead of taking screenshots of it honey i'm no certain about it then when i'm like ever cats wasn't even born at the time there was no ever rost cats to screenshot this stuff that's how k-dramas are too apparently because kichon was saying honk on wedding maquint fantastic she's so good huge fine huge fine like so good

Speaker 12 what a revelation i know amazing him him i was saying like one of my favorite moments of the the whole movie is, well, this is a spoiler, but there's a moment of like

Speaker 12 pure joy and euphoria that he has towards the end of the movie. Future legend.
So sweet. But he comes from this whole pedigree of K-dramas where they just,

Speaker 12 it's basically a movie. It's like what Fire Island would have been on Quibi, but they break it down into like these like 10-minute episodes.
It's really, that is the future in a scary way. Yeah.

Speaker 12 They were without a,

Speaker 12 like, I genuinely believe that one of the reasons why we even talk about all of these things is because there was a piece of content to launch it.

Speaker 12 Like with Netflix, like the reason why they became a prestige streamer was because of House of Cards. And then Orange is the New Black Solidified.

Speaker 12 The reason why we talk about Kevin Spacey out the door. Yes.

Speaker 12 Oh my God, he's coming in the door. It's our surprise.
Yes, Kevin Spacey.

Speaker 12 And then like even HBO, like the Sopranos and Sex in the City, like made HBO.

Speaker 12 So it's Quibi was without a

Speaker 12 flagship piece of content. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Because they went for, you know, and this is not even to drag what we were doing, but like stuff that felt like quick bites. No, and the thing is, though, I will say, is they took big swings.

Speaker 12 Like no one wanted to buy Fire Island. No one.
Before it was a completed project at Quibi, no one wanted that. No one would touch it.
Yeah. And it was originally a quick bite.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And then they were the only ones who were really, who really believed in it as as a project. And, like, yeah, so I oh, I owe Jeffrey Katzenberg by 500.

Speaker 12 I remember, I remember walking from our game, the office that Dave and I shared

Speaker 12 at Jack's over to your office and watching Joel put like the um the index cards up on the board and they had the the fire island plot points when he was still creating it as like a 10 episode

Speaker 12 i mean it didn't change much from quibby by the way to serve right like i basically just took out the act breaks and like squeezed it together and made it one big long script but yeah no it didn't really change but they would have made you cast like George Clooney as Conrad no we I mean we basically had like a full cast of like bone was always attached to it like I think you probably were even because we were getting ready to film we were getting ready to film

Speaker 12 I remember who my Charlie was yeah yeah yeah yeah so it was like it was like we were there and then I don't know it just it all changed okay wait because did you now did you see, um, I forget, I think it was like Gay Times or something, and now it was like talking about the Fire Island sequel.

Speaker 12 I want a conversation again. I want this on director.
Can we have to put it to bail?

Speaker 12 No, he was, he was pushed in the interview about the sequel, and I think he was forced to give an answer, and then they, of course, ran with it. Yeah, no, I just listen.

Speaker 12 No, we've all been fucked over by like poll quotes

Speaker 12 before. I think everyone has been asked about that.
I'm not really that mad about it, but the thing is, it's like, it's just

Speaker 12 not happening. Let's talk about Legally Blonde 2, honey.
Let's talk talk about

Speaker 12 reality 2. First of all, Legally Blonde 2, Red, White, and Blonde.

Speaker 12 We can skip it because now there's going to be another one. Yeah.
Legally Blonde 3 is the real sequel.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, but it's just like, let's talk about successful comedy sequels, especially rom-com sequels. I think people think they want to see it, but they don't actually want to see it.

Speaker 12 Like, I think what I want to do, and what will scratch that.

Speaker 12 It's the rare sequel that improves. You're not the original.

Speaker 12 But, like, I think, like, I just want to cast the same fucking people in the same movie. Do Christopher Guest and just have like my.
Okay, so do it. And you'll be hearing from my.
Oh,

Speaker 12 that's what I had heard. No, I mean, listen,

Speaker 12 I do still think Fire Island 2 Provincetown is a funny title.

Speaker 12 But there was that summer. We were workshopping a lot of ideas about how to like...

Speaker 12 How to reintroduce Dex, like Zayn. Zayn's character.
Yeah. And I also had an idea that me and Tomas's podcast exploded and we were rich.

Speaker 12 And so that Dex was kind kind of a grifter and dating me for my money. My huge podcast empire.

Speaker 12 I can't remember whose idea what it was that we just cast him as a different character and we're like, doesn't he look like every gay guy?

Speaker 12 But Wickham is, but Wickham remains in the story. That Zayn Phillips looks like every gay guy is crazy.

Speaker 12 No, he certainly does not. He certainly doesn't.

Speaker 12 Sweetheart, sweetie.

Speaker 12 Well, no, I should.

Speaker 12 But there's going to be a little reunion. Yeah,

Speaker 12 you know, we might be working together. He saw the other night.
I love love him. He's such good eng.
Such good energy.

Speaker 12 So funny, so nice. And it's so annoying.
It's so annoying to look like that and to be smart and charming and nice. Yeah.
And truly a kind creature, kind of

Speaker 12 reader,

Speaker 12 not capital R reader. Literally.
A reader of literature. He was always reading on set.
He was always, I remember my image of Zane will be impressed in reading.

Speaker 12 My image of Zane will always be, I would come out of my trailer and we would have like this like bench area where we would always sit and he would be eating his chicken drinking a hot coffee and doing the crossword yeah and that was always his thing and that's who he is on the inside ignore what you're seeing on the outside honey because that is not him that's not him that is not him it gets easier when you're around him a long time no it does i will say though like it is genuinely like i remember filming our our meet cute moment in the movie and being humiliated it's so slight like like what and what will happen now that he's in la this has happened three or four times it is so infuriating we'll be at one of these like stupid gay parties and some guy will like come up and like we'll be standing in a clump next to Zane and he'll introduce himself and I'll be like, hey, I'm Joel.

Speaker 12 And like he'll go around the line and get it to Zane and be like, oh my God, you are the guy from Fire Island.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, standing there paid fucking dust. And I am like,

Speaker 12 I was like, I fucking made you. And I will end you too saying that

Speaker 12 brought you into this world.

Speaker 12 Wait.

Speaker 12 Wait, let's just speak on this because I experienced this recently of getting the nerves when you're acting with a hot person oh not that it doesn't it happens all the time but certain people really your shit up where i was like when john hamm was hosting us and all i was just like huh like we were playing a couple and i was just like wait

Speaker 12 i'm scared like this is like this is like i'm this is he's there's no reason to no reason to feel nervous around him just such a wonderful person but i was just like wait but you're so first of all you're dawn draper second of all you're so handsome third of all you're so funny like like just so many wonderful things about that man and sometimes

Speaker 12 it knocks me off my center. It knocks, for me, I was just, and like, trust me, I've seen what people have said about it.

Speaker 12 Like, of course, this guy casts this guy to be like, oh, to make out with whatever. But like, no, you do think, you do take yourself out of it a little bit.

Speaker 12 And suddenly those little, your interceptor comes knocking and you're like, what are people going to say when they see this? Right. You know, but it's not even that.

Speaker 12 It's just like, there's something in the space of acting with someone. Where you're just like, oh, I mean, I genuinely felt that way.

Speaker 12 The reason we cast Conrad is because Conrad made me forget my lines in our chemistry.

Speaker 12 I was so flustered because he is such a vibe. Like, I mean, a hot man, like on paper, just physically pictures.
Yes, it reads. He's very hot.
But then you get with him and like that close to him.

Speaker 12 And it's just like. the nerves are like, it's crazy because he is so charismatic and such a vibe.

Speaker 12 Gravitational field is distorted.

Speaker 12 He's great. I Want nothing for the best for all of you except for one person.

Speaker 12 Is it?

Speaker 12 Sam. No, it wasn't you.
Is this real? No.

Speaker 12 It might be someone. No, no, no, no.
I was like, but no, we all love it. Everyone's family.
Everyone's family.

Speaker 12 Yeah, the chain is alive for birthdays. The chain is alive for when someone runs into someone.

Speaker 12 Exciting. Yes, that's true.
I will say, so we were briefly evacuated during the LA fires.

Speaker 12 John Michael was like, we should, the night before, and I live in an area that is normally not affected by fires at all. He was like, we should pack go bags.

Speaker 12 And I was like, okay, like thinking, this is never going to affect me. I don't need to do this.
So I just packed a go bag with my passport and my social security card,

Speaker 12 which apparently is not enough. Yeah, I was going to ask.

Speaker 12 No. And

Speaker 12 nothing else. And then the next day I drive to San Diego for a gig and I get the evacuation notice.
And he said, don't worry, babe. I grabbed your go bag before we went.

Speaker 12 And I went, but did you look inside of it? And he said, no, why would I need to?

Speaker 12 And of course, this is an impasse that you get to with your partner where you're like, I'm mad at you, but I know I have no, I have no standing legally in a court of law. I have no standing.

Speaker 12 You told me to pack the bag. I did not pack any underwear, toiletries, or anything in the bag.
Oh, okay. So he just grabbed an empty bag.
And he just grabbed the empty bag.

Speaker 12 But what he did decide in the moment of panic to grab was the Glad Award and the Gotham Award. Oh, my surprise.
Oh my God. the cutest thing.
Cause

Speaker 12 he was like, he was like, I don't know. I just thought like maybe you might want these

Speaker 12 if something happened to the house. And I was like, this is so funny.
Not any underwear or toothpaste. I'm sorry, but like we do sit at home alone and play the newly wit game just to practice.

Speaker 12 Just to practice. That's I get it.
Because the and the and the real strategy here is it's not about answering what you really feel. It's about answering how you think your partner will answer it.

Speaker 12 It's a mentalism game.

Speaker 12 I was going to say it's a mentalist game.

Speaker 12 There was a mentalist at the screening last night and he blew my mind anyway i'll we'll keep talking about this oh no i i think we're not no no no no no no no wait wait but no i was just gonna say because like he he i he knows that if someone asked what is joel's favorite movie i obviously that's a ridiculous question to ask like crazy no who has a like if you have a favorite movie i don't think so honey like grow up but he knows the answer is my best friend's wedding yeah the answer for him is scott bill versus a world and so now when you're put in the situation where you have to play the newlywood game you know we know speaking of being a newlywed do you have something else?

Speaker 12 I think

Speaker 12 you have something to ask. Fuck the cultural rewards.
Here's the real announcement for the pod.

Speaker 12 Here's the real thing. I was not brought on to promote Love Hotel.
I was not brought on to promote anything else.

Speaker 12 I was brought on for this announcement and this announcement alone after years away that these two might let's get textile. Tactile.
Let's get techile.

Speaker 12 Don't forget me in the circle. Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers are in my wedding tab.

Speaker 12 Rosemary.

Speaker 12 Can we say what we're planning on doing? Not when.

Speaker 12 Not when, but what? For the first, for the breadth.

Speaker 12 NOLA. NOLA.
We're doing joint bachelor parties, separate houses. So smart.
Oh, is it separate houses? Separate houses. And then we've joined together for one night.
Oh, gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta.

Speaker 12 Where the rest of the time, we just get to be for the last time with our friends.

Speaker 12 Before we ever see each other. No.
Before you can never sleep with anyone again.

Speaker 12 I,

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, I'm really excited. You know, we're not finding out what the other person is wearing to the wedding until the day of.
That's beautiful. That's really cute.

Speaker 12 And what's happening is my stylist is coordinating. Oh, God, I was going to say that.
To make sure that we don't look insane and then also coordinating with whatever you guys, because

Speaker 12 it's sort of going to be like a free, free-for-all. Like, you know, Chris is going to call us like things.

Speaker 12 He will just like, I will send you like color palette probably and just like live within that world. But like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to be precious about like everyone wearing.

Speaker 12 Thank you. Because my big gripe, biggest gripe with weddings is there's such a single-use fashion aspect to it.
It's like award shit. It's like, oh, what do you mean I can only wear this once?

Speaker 12 You know? Yeah. So

Speaker 12 thank you for so we can like go from our own. Yeah, you can pull from the closet.
What colors are you thinking? I don't know yet. He wants me to do the mood board because it's a December wedding.

Speaker 12 I kind of want it to be like, well, obviously, like he's going to probably wear white and I'll probably wear black because i'm the boy and he's the girl but um i i do sort of and this was this actually came to mind watching your film is i would love to reference a traditional korean wedding wedding outfit but like not not the full geese but like but like some embroidery but something that something that is like a reference to that um because i do want to have that in my wedding and like

Speaker 12 you know yeah so that's sort of where i'm at right now and we'll see what i have no idea what that boy is planning for it but again i will be coming in a a traditional humbok.

Speaker 12 Hanbach.

Speaker 12 Did I say it wrong? No, no, it's you said it. You said it great.
No, you said great.

Speaker 12 You say everything perfectly.

Speaker 12 I think I would slay the humbok. Yes.

Speaker 12 Slay the humbok. Gosh, but you know, Kim Chi at the premiere, I got to tell her to her face.
I was like, your ball challenge is still

Speaker 12 your book ball challenge is legendary.

Speaker 12 Still one of the best drag race slaying race ever. The premiere.
Slation Diva of LA.

Speaker 12 slation the premiere

Speaker 12 she's making joella joella

Speaker 12 i have to say i didn't watch this last season we can talk about it it feels less urgent to watch it i would agree and yet also more in a weird way well the ratings keeps you know it's feeling more and more distant for me i mean i still watch it live when i can when i have the chance yep but it is like

Speaker 12 it does feel less like urgent like i used to be like if i am not there seeing it like in that moment like i am offline, I am not, you know, like so scared of spoilers.

Speaker 12 And now it just doesn't feel, it doesn't feel honestly quite as much for us. Do you want to know why? It's because here's what it was for for us.
And this is why we really loved it.

Speaker 12 Obviously, the queens were incredible and they were all like aspirational and older than us and smarter. Like it felt like they were funnier and smarter than us.

Speaker 12 Not to say the girls aren't giving now, but we're literally older than everyone watching.

Speaker 12 And also another thing is we were watching it at a time when it was very community-building for us. You know, one day at a gay bar, we got older, and the show is just unfortunately.

Speaker 12 Like, I'm really excited for people to discover the show in the later seasons because, unfortunately, I think what has happened is that you see these queens, and they're all very talented.

Speaker 12 And this is not to take away, but it has become sort of like, oh, that's your, that's Jinx. Yeah, that's just, that's just new Jinx.
And that's just new at her. And that's like giving Simone.

Speaker 12 And that's like, that's why Simone actually is my favorite of the new recent

Speaker 12 winners I would agree Simone feels like she created a new lane archetype for herself and and that and I don't know that any of the other recent winners have quite done that in in quite a distinct way they're all wonderful I love them huge Anymphia fan huge Willow fan yeah

Speaker 12 like all of them

Speaker 12 like Sasha Cobby amazing but and that's not to take away from that but like let's be honest when we went to drag con

Speaker 12 drag race is for and this is not a pejorative No drag race is for Katies

Speaker 12 I thought you were gonna say kids No, no, no, and I will say like it did become like it it was interesting because now I'm like now with everything changing again I'm like because I remember we were at the drag con promoting fire island and there were so many children.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and now it's like they're really trying to divorce drag and you know queer identity at all from like exposure to kids or whatever and I'm like how could you not say this is a positive thing even if me as like a true faggot who like misses when there was lube commercials on logo watching drag race, you know, I do miss that like rawness of it and the aspirational quality of what they were doing in terms of like, I'm entering into the queer community and learning so much about this.

Speaker 12 I still was there and I'm like, you know what? These kids are empowered to be anything they want to be. And there was nothing weird about it.
There was nothing ugly about it.

Speaker 12 There was nothing sexual about it, which is what they're trying to like make it all seem like it's like a grooming center. And it's like it was nothing to do with that.

Speaker 12 It was only empowering, even if I felt like, oh, it's for kids now and straight people now. It still felt like we won in the fact that like this is mainstream culture.

Speaker 12 And to say like it's not urgent watching for like the three of us is not to say that it's not an urgently like

Speaker 12 no one is happier that Trump won than RudePaul Charles. Okay.
Because

Speaker 12 it has made the show so important. So, so important.

Speaker 12 Again, in just

Speaker 12 in just, you know, allegedly. But it is, it is sort of like, I don't want to talk about the state of the world really on this.
Let's keep it light.

Speaker 12 But like, it does make this show, you watch these shows and we're so desensitized to it because we've so we've like been lucky to have seen it to see it

Speaker 12 exactly.

Speaker 12 But like, you know, it's exciting that this is, this continues to skyrocket and will continue to be an outlet for these kids.

Speaker 12 But the other thing that makes it hard to watch sometimes is that it drastically altered the landscape of what drag in the real world.

Speaker 12 And it created an entire cottage industry that did not exist.

Speaker 12 Right. Right.
That did not exist for drag queens before. The model of what a working drag queen now looks like is so different from what it looked like back, you know, even 10 to 15 years ago.

Speaker 12 But, but that's even changed back in the last couple of years as like spaces close, as like laws start getting put into place. The show is very important.

Speaker 12 And I'm, I have enjoyed the hell out of this season, actually. Like, I just remember Alyssa and Tatiana lip-syncing and watching that live in a gay bar.
And the people reacting.

Speaker 12 It was so utter joy.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 I enjoy getting together with my friends and watching. It is a very nice communal Friday ritual, but it just like

Speaker 12 I feel 10,000 years old. Totally.
I mean, it's the reason why Survivor's development cycle and it's the way that has aged over time is.

Speaker 12 Well, they're facing a very similar problem in that the contestants now are so aware of the meta totally the the world outside of they're so concerned about what the narrative is going to be yeah and they they they know the game so well yeah that they and actually all credit to queens like corey king yeah who said in an interview she worded everything in those confessionals so that they would have to use her

Speaker 12 before

Speaker 12 she was like i know the real winner of this show

Speaker 12 is who wins the confessional confessional queen of the season. And to be honest, Corey was like fourth or fifth out, but one of the most memorable queens

Speaker 12 and has had such a, like, I think was number one on cameo for a while afterwards, and has like become like sort of like the winner of the season. She's been doing it so well.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 She's, and she knew going in how to do that.

Speaker 12 And I, all credit to her, all like love and power to her, but it is also like it makes it less about the show. About the show.
I don't know. It's just like, if it's like a different game

Speaker 12 than it was when, you know, Jinx won.

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Speaker 12 you're one of my loved ones, too. Ah,

Speaker 12 what I was going to say about Survivor, though, is that like that can age in a way that, like, somewhat linear, like, more people discover the show and retroactively get into it, but it's like, no one was ever really going to bars to like meet up with their friends to watch Survivor necessarily.

Speaker 12 Which is weird because you know what? Now they are tonight, actually, they are. We can even go to Tri Tops tonight to watch it.
They have a great watch party that they do every week.

Speaker 12 And I'm saying, like, with Root, with Drag Race starting out like that, and now with that dissipating, as people get older, as people don't go out as much with COVID, whatever, like all these reasons, it's like it, it has lost some of that binding agent, and that's and that's not the show's fault.

Speaker 12 No, but Survivor is funny because like Survivor is huge with nerds and gays, yeah, nerds and gays, and that is who is reflected in the casting too, yeah, and gay nerds.

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 12 and I can't, sometimes I get lost watching it because these people know the game so well. It's, it's so crazy.
Like they have to throw 8 million twists into every episode.

Speaker 12 And you, if you don't watch it with your full brain, you, you missed it. It can't be ambient.
It can't be ambient. Drag race can be ambient, which I appreciate.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Oh, I mean, the way I will put on, I've watched certain seasons of Drag Race like dozens of times probably at this point because it is just like season eight, season nine, season ten.

Speaker 12 It shows go down and put it on, you know, like the all-star season is also really exciting. I mean, really excited about this insane survivor-esque all-star season that's about to come out.

Speaker 12 Wait, what is that? I'm not sure. Oh, no,

Speaker 12 of drag race. I don't, I'm not sure how much has been announced, but it's 18 queens.

Speaker 12 And I will say that the format from what I have read, the scuttle online is that the format might mirror a certain other Drake Reality.

Speaker 12 Did you see Bob the Drag Queen was like all stars is for losers?

Speaker 12 Damn. Yeah, Bob the Drag Queen.

Speaker 12 But like, Bob is one of the few winners who could, or queens from that franchise who can get away with saying that. And like, you're sort of like, yeah, okay.
You know what, though?

Speaker 12 All stars is for losers is something a drag queen should be saying. Yeah, sure.
Totally, totally. And Bob is like one of the last winners who will say like, yeah, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 12 Whatever the fuck on that podcast, you know? Because I just had a realization moment getting off Twitter.

Speaker 12 And like, part of it was the reason I got off Twitter was I was hacked by the Russians and I was away from my account for four days.

Speaker 12 Had to pay a lot of money to a lawyer to get in contact with Twitter to get my account back.

Speaker 12 And then I deleted it immediately because I kept a little note of all the things I would tweet if I had access to my account.

Speaker 12 And then I read it back after four days and I said, none of this is useful. No.
None of this is edifying. No.
None of this is worthwhile. It's incredible that you did this.

Speaker 12 I was like, I don't need to say this about Ashley Tisdale. Like, why would I say this? Why would I say this?

Speaker 12 She's done nothing. She's an innocent person.
Yeah. And I now have, like, it's just like your perspective really does shift.
Like, it's so crazy. Like, I am.
I'm mind-altering.

Speaker 12 I am not in the, I try not to be in the comments after years of doing this. You, we all struggle with this.
I know. Yes.
Yes. But.

Speaker 12 Because the thing is, is I know all six reasons why people hate me now. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And no one says anything. No one says anything only or different.

Speaker 12 It's all in the same six buckets. You're actually right.
Like, yeah, there is between, it's, it's, it's, it's a short list. It's a short list.

Speaker 12 And it's like God bless that it's no one says anything consistently new. I'm like, there's no new reasons to take me yet.

Speaker 12 Except I, the, the news strain that I am seeing on some of my videos that come out, like on podcasts such as this, is people being like, his work looks crazy. Why is he getting all this plastic?

Speaker 12 You have not gotten

Speaker 12 it.

Speaker 12 I haven't even gotten Botox yet, bitch. Okay.
I'm pushing 40 with Rosé.

Speaker 94 You will, all right?

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 12 what about my face giving filler? That one, I asked the seventh bucket now, is, is that I see, I've been seeing that like happen, and I'm sort of like, huh.

Speaker 12 That's a function of time, I think. I don't know.
I think it's this weird, I think it's a weird, it feels like counterintuitive. Like,

Speaker 12 it doesn't feel like these both can be true, but I think it's because I both look older, but don't look as old as I look. And those two things combined have caused people to

Speaker 12 confuse people because I do look very much the same as I did 10 years ago. I'm just saying that it's like the hair probably.

Speaker 12 It throws, there's one thing about framing the face that throws people off and they're like, well, he's gotten work done. It's literally the hair growing out and getting permed.
It looks amazing.

Speaker 12 I wanted to come in here and talk about like fucking white lotus. And I'm like, oh, that's a distant fucking season.
But you don't want to talk about white lotus.

Speaker 12 You know, I do want to talk about white lotus a little bit and say, I think that my take on season three is that it is a lot of really captivating, wonderful moments that did not coalesce into.

Speaker 12 So you were not ultimately at the end of the season?

Speaker 12 I enjoyed my experience on a Sunday-to-Sunday basis of watching each of those episodes. But did I come away thinking like that it all came together at the end, like as like something meaningful?

Speaker 12 I don't know that I can say that. Like I enjoyed, I really thought it was high quality performances, really on an episode to episode basis, very good writing and good, great moments.

Speaker 12 But the only thing I'm going to take away from that finale is Carrie Kuhn's monologue. Yes.

Speaker 12 The only thing? I think so. I think so.
See, I was so, I'm a huge fan of season three. Like I loved pretty much every single thing about it.

Speaker 12 And I feel like the Walton Goggins and Amy Lou Wood storyline, like to me, it was, it was also so

Speaker 12 personally gratifying because I was like, I was watching it and I sat there and I was like, you can't save broken people. They have to save themselves.
They have to work on themselves.

Speaker 12 It doesn't matter how much you love them.

Speaker 12 The reason I think I will remember Carrie Kuhn's monologue and you will remember that is because that is so what you have lived and like what you a lesson you have learned in your own life.

Speaker 12 What do you mean like that i mean six broken people yes right you know like that is a lesson that you have learned the hard way in many ways and you've connected with the carrie-kuhn monologue no and the carry-koon monologue where she says like she has and listen i do not think that we are as toxic as those three women were ultimately thinking about us as them no but i did have this moment because like we talked about let's get raw and real again as sisters when i asked you to be in my wedding party like we are we are dear like besties down and we will and i asked you to to be in my wedding party because I know you will be in my life for the rest of my goddamn life.

Speaker 12 But we're also fucking busy. You live in two different cities practically most of the time.
You are the busiest man in Hollywood. I'm very busy.
Like, we don't get to do these things.

Speaker 12 And like, it's so funny when people talk about like why I haven't been back on the podcast. Right, right, right.
They assume that there's always

Speaker 12 beef, but it's honestly because, like, when we do get to hang out, we don't want to do this.

Speaker 12 We only get so much time to see each other. We don't want to come in and do this when we do it.

Speaker 12 And, but I, when I asked you to be in my wedding party, I said, I know that like we aren't seeing each other like every week like we used to. And we aren't like, you know,

Speaker 12 able to go on like all the trips that we used to go on and all these things. But like, when I think about the people in my life that matter to me, it's not necessarily like.

Speaker 12 maybe the people that come to my house every Friday for driving roads. It's, it's, it's you guys.
And like that monologue really resonated with you because it really does have meaning.

Speaker 12 And like, I think that that is like, for me, it's like being in a relationship and like getting older, like both of those things combined.

Speaker 12 Like I really, you recognize that because you really do have to be intentional about maintaining friendships when you are in a relationship.

Speaker 12 Like, and, and, and it's so hard to do because I am living and about to marry my best friend, you know, and so like, I think like a lot of the things I used to like need from friendships are being provided, but like, it's a metric.

Speaker 12 It's a trick. It's a trick, though, because like, we, I don't, like, we've, we've also like been like, we need to hang out with our friends without each other.

Speaker 12 Like,

Speaker 12 you know, like, we don't have to do everything. Has that happened more? And it has happened more.
Yeah, yeah. Like, I, um, you know, like,

Speaker 12 we, like, I was just talking to Jared the other day, who shout out, I'll announce Jared's also in the wedding.

Speaker 12 But, like, I was like, he was like, you and James should come over. And I was like, or I could just come over.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because that might, like, that might be nice.

Speaker 12 It is interesting. It's like, cause it's all about like, all of a sudden, because life goes, it does go by quick.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And then I feel like what was so great about that episode and the arc that the three of them were going through was they will leave that vacation and they'll probably remember two things.

Speaker 12 The traumatic shooting that they survived

Speaker 12 and the fact that they were able to have a great last dinner.

Speaker 12 And they won't even remember Valentine. They won't remember the bitchy little comments.
comments. They won't remember that one of them was a little bit more drunk.

Speaker 12 They'll remember like this piece of it. And they'll remember how their relationship like

Speaker 12 got better and now has this like

Speaker 12 memorable like trauma bond moment again. And that's when life goes by like that.
And then she's saying, like, you look at your choices.

Speaker 12 It's because it's the people that have been there for a really long time that you can see in different stages of your life. And then you can say, wow, like

Speaker 12 I

Speaker 12 have made choices to be this person who I'm sitting here right now.

Speaker 12 And now I'm sitting with two other people who are also have gone through the same amount of time and the same amount of development, but in a different way. Like, here you are about to get married.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? Like, you have a certain type of career, which is like, you know, keeps you busy and is in the stratosphere all the time.

Speaker 12 And sometimes, like, you would think like maybe a third person in that would look at both those things and be like, I'm the carricoun, but we all at

Speaker 12 this point are feeling like the Coon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean? And Leslie, babe.

Speaker 12 We are Michelle. No, you're Michelle.
I'm Leslie, and you're Carrie. Well, I mean,

Speaker 12 you're Leslie.

Speaker 12 You're Leslie? No, I don't. No, I don't.
Well,

Speaker 12 I'm getting married. You're getting married.
I've now switched to. I'm Michelle.
And you spend the most time in Austin. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 12 And I smile.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 And you would rock a county. And you're an independent.

Speaker 12 You probably are the closest to independent. He certainly hates the Democrats the most.
Yeah, I guess. That's the headline now.

Speaker 12 Joel Camboose hates the Democrats.

Speaker 12 No, but I mean, like, it's, I was, I, it was actually, I can't remember the last time I spontaneously burst out in tears.

Speaker 12 I actually can. It was when Kiwa Kwan was in everything everywhere all at once, when he was saying, you have to be kind.
Like, please be kind.

Speaker 12 I like spontaneously burst out in tears, but I was watching Carrie Kun give that monologue, and I just, I burst into tears because I was just like, it's true as you get older, like,

Speaker 12 it's not about like, what haven't I done or what don't I have? It's like very hard to get to a point where you're like, you know, the things I've done are enough.

Speaker 12 Like, I've tried, you know, to develop myself. Like, it's gone this way in a positive way, this way, in a negative way, whatever.
It all comes out in the wash anyway when you're still here.

Speaker 12 My mirror this season is

Speaker 12 thinking,

Speaker 12 He is your father. Or what would Shreeta La say at the end? He told me.

Speaker 12 I love, I love Shrita Lao.

Speaker 12 When we got to see a little bite of her as a young

Speaker 12 footage.

Speaker 12 I mean, also, like, the thing about him being the dad, though, I was like, I said that the minute he said the story that his mom told him to Amy Lou, I was like, oh, well, that guy is going to be your dad.

Speaker 12 That's the dad. And they cast him very well.
I will say that that part I was like, this we saw, we did see coming from a mile away.

Speaker 12 And you know what I think would have even been a better reveal a monkey with a gun because because because here we all want a monkey with a gun here's what i was thinking the whole time how did walton goggins' character afford that vacation what if it was revealed like he's been a trust fund baby his entire life

Speaker 12 and actually he isn't this badass he's just like this like sort of spoiled like straight guy who's like the kind of guy who's like i'm gonna wear like a funky scarf i've been worried about a lot of the shit that i've said on this podcast so far but this is a like i i don't i don't really care but like this is why he needs a writer's room because this is one of my biggest problems with the walter goggins storyline is i don't know who that man is.

Speaker 12 I do not know who that man is. And I think we could have gotten to a very funny thing, which is where the fuck did you think you gotten all your money from? Like, your dad is the owner of this house.

Speaker 12 Put it up on the board. Put it up on the board.
It needs to be an index card.

Speaker 12 Because literally, how did that couple afford that vacation?

Speaker 12 And that's the thing is like, it's not. Super important, but it would have been nice to be able to do it.
But you know what? Justification always makes things better.

Speaker 12 I feel like that is true in writing. Like justifications always make jokes funnier if you can get there.
And justification always makes like, if you can strengthen it, I think it's always better to.

Speaker 12 Well, and that's why I think like for me too, like it's a

Speaker 12 the fact that like the first two seasons were what they were and even the third season was as strong as it was is a miracle that he did this by himself that he has that in him to do by himself because But I think like the seams that we're now seeing and the disconnect that we're feeling with the third season is because like, I don't think that one man can continue to play with the same ideas over and over and over again and create something that is going to feel as meaningful as the first time.

Speaker 12 Yes, there are limits to auteurship that we need to come to grips with. I don't disagree that that.
Because he's not reinventing the show every season. Yeah, no.

Speaker 12 Well, I actually kind of like that about it, though. I kind of like that the formula.
Like the formula for me like really works.

Speaker 12 And I do think that there's been drastically different like things that have been said by both, by all three of the seasons.

Speaker 12 I will say though, just out of principle, there should be a writer's drum on a show like that. That's what we're saying.

Speaker 12 Just out of principle, because it is one of the last ways you can like apprentice great writers and like, you know what I mean, like get people started in the industry.

Speaker 12 And this, this has nothing to do with how talented and how brilliant I think he is, because ultimately, let's be real, all creators and showrunners rewrite all these episodes anyway. Right.

Speaker 12 Honestly, that would be a huge win. Yeah.
For the entire city. Let's give the monkey the gun.
Let's. Yes.
Can I say monkey? I hated from the beginning monkey has the gun. I still hate.

Speaker 12 I was a big advocate. I was a big advocate.
Y'all are laughing. I'm not laughing.
I don't think it's funny. I don't think it's funny to think about the monkey with the gun at all.

Speaker 12 I just didn't think it was going to be as straightforward as it was. It was pretty straightforward.
See, I, but for me, it's just like when I saw Amy Lou Wood unable to run away from the toxic man.

Speaker 12 who was going to get, who was going to, it was going to end badly for her. I was like, I've been her.
Totally. And this is an important story.
No, those are y'all's mirrors for sure. Yes.

Speaker 12 And you are a famous actress who, Asian, Asian actress who married a wealthy white woman. That wasn't really your mirror, though.
What was your actual mirror? I was going to say my mirror was,

Speaker 12 I don't know. Is that bad? It's also fine to not have a mirror in the season.
Let's see.

Speaker 12 I am going to say

Speaker 12 I'm still thinking about Aubrey in season two. Yeah.
And see that? But that's not, that's not, that's not a, that's not an answer to the question. I don't, I don't, I probably don't have one for you.

Speaker 12 I mean, but, but, like, but that just goes to show there's different things being reflected in each of the, right, in each of the seasons. I think that, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 12 Her character was fascinating. You know, my, I've been pressuring my therapist into watching White Lotus because she's never watched it.

Speaker 12 I went in today and she's like, I'm halfway through season two. I fucking love it.
Oh, God. She was like, season one was amazing.
I'm like, it was.

Speaker 12 Like, put some respect on season one's name. One's great.
One is great. Well, and that, can I just say, I don't want to beat up Mike Went too much much because, again, I love his work.

Speaker 12 Enlightens is one of my favorite shows of all time. He's brilliant.

Speaker 12 We can talk about all this stuff because he's brilliant. Yeah, because he's brilliant.
But like, there was very little

Speaker 12 with the staff this season. Yeah.
This was the least amount of story of impactful story that we got about the staff.

Speaker 12 Well, I mean, what was the storyline for the manager, the security guard, Lisa? Can I say the thing with Lisa?

Speaker 12 I think the reason why the Lisa thing feels weird is because they did not even expect anywhere near a star at her level to want that part.

Speaker 12 And when she wanted that part, I think part of his hesitance was like, but the character is not consequential enough to justify her. But then she was so good and really wanted to do it.

Speaker 12 What are they going to do? Say no. I mean, her acting is so rounded.
It's great. Oh, wonderful.

Speaker 12 And ultimately, I remember we were all like, and there's going to be something with Lisa because there has to be. Why would you cast Beyoncé in

Speaker 12 a show and not have her be like a centerpiece of the finale. And I think that probably was something that was on his mind during casting.

Speaker 100 It's like, well, should the role be more?

Speaker 12 I don't want to just make it more and change the whole thing because it's her, but if she wants to do it and she's good enough.

Speaker 12 You didn't, did you find any mirrors in the family?

Speaker 12 Are you a Lachlan at all? I might be.

Speaker 12 I might be a Piper. I might,

Speaker 12 that's interesting.

Speaker 12 Someone who wants to like individualize and then realizes that like they are not going to go to to such lengths to like like they have found themselves in the act of trying to find themselves in a different way and then they swing back the other direction being like this is not who I am.

Speaker 12 You also would rather die than be poor. Exactly.

Speaker 12 I loved her storyline as well.

Speaker 12 And when she was giving that monologue about like she was great, by the way, sorry, Catherine Cook. Great vibes.
She interviewed, she was my interview on Today Show when I co-hosted. Oh, really?

Speaker 12 She's such a cute vibe. Yeah, she's adorable.
And she's talented. And a trained opera singer.
What? Yeah. At SUNY Purchase.
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Speaker 12 Let's touch on housewives. Oh, yeah, I want to pitch my housewives.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, we'll start there. We'll start there, and then we'll get granular.
Here's the show, and this is literally consider this a pitch. Bravo, we're now in business, okay, and he's listening.

Speaker 12 Kyle goes to Aspen. Kyle starts her life over as a lesbian of the woods, Kyle of the Woods.

Speaker 12 The poster for the show is Kyle in her huge kimo savi hat, looking at the camera in the back, the woods. Kyle starts over as

Speaker 12 a lover of same sex in Aspen, where she wants to live. I'm sorry.
She leaves Beverly Hills. We start the show over.
It's her. It's maybe a couple of her friends that come in.

Speaker 12 It's more like people visit from Beverly Hills to come see her, come in and out. And we see Kyle's new life in Aspen as a queer woman.

Speaker 12 I will say my only note, my only adjustment, if I'm the executive sitting across the table, is I would say we already have a winter landscape and that is that is doing quite well.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? I would maybe suggest if you want woods, maybe Pacific Northwest. I was going to say that.
She wants Seattle. But Aspen is where she wants to live.
Maybe Seattle.

Speaker 12 And also, I would say the fact that Salt Lake City works is a reason to do it. Interesting.

Speaker 12 Oh, how about this? Kyle of the Mountains. Kyle of the Woods, like JT tried to be.
I like Kyle of the Woods. I like Kyle of the Woods.

Speaker 12 Is this Kyle of the Woods sounds like a dangerous plant you shouldn't eat?

Speaker 12 Oh, honey, that's Kyle of the Woods. That's Kyle of the Woods.
Don't touch that Kyle out of your mouth. Is this modeled? Because I'm not watching the Denise show.
Is this kind of like the Denise show?

Speaker 12 I like the Denise show.

Speaker 12 I've taken it. The Denise show is

Speaker 12 the way that they live their life is so crazy. But yeah, I guess it is.
I mean, maybe it doesn't have to be an ongoing thing.

Speaker 12 I just think maybe like eight episodes of Kyle living in Aspen, like exploring this new part of her personality, because I don't think, this is my kind of hot take about Beverly Hills.

Speaker 12 It's not there yet for a reboot, but I don't think we're far away. Right.
I don't think we're far away at all.

Speaker 12 It's getting the self-production on Beverly Hills, I think, is the worst of any of the franchises. Yeah, they're also afraid to say or do anything.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And it's just, it's so, like, I really, like, talk about something that didn't coalesce into anything.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.
Like, I'm so sorry, Mike Wade. I meant to say that.
Take that note away from White Lotus. It'll apply it to Beverly Hill.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Because by the end of that reunion, I was exhausted and I wanted to walk out like Garcelle. Also, like Sutton going to Garcelle's room and Garcelle not being there and just being like, she's gone.

Speaker 12 And like, like that being the way that their friendship ended. Like, well, I don't know.
How do you guys feel about the Garcelle of it all? I didn't watch the, I didn't watch the third part.

Speaker 12 I'm only, I will say I'm only halfway through the third part. And again, didn't feel urgent to finish in the same way that some of these other shows are right now.

Speaker 12 I think that

Speaker 12 and i just actually presented an award with garcel met her in real life so warm so kind she's been on the show she's great star great star um

Speaker 12 i don't think she has it in her to be a housewife i don't think she ever liked it i don't think like because she

Speaker 12 when the when the guns were pointed in her direction couldn't handle it she it's not i don't even think that she couldn't handle it it's she didn't want to do it like she didn't like she doesn't want to do that yeah she went a really long time i guess five seasons without ever being the person in the hot seat no

Speaker 12 and

Speaker 12 kind of far down on the couch always and also not for nothing but for something that i knew when she was saying in the beginning of the season that she was positing the theory that the derit the derit robbery was staged i'm like you're gonna have to deal with saying stand by that you're you will have to stand by that i mean she did but she dated that they had a problem with it and it's like well of course they're gonna have a problem with it like and then and then you can't walk your way out of the insinuation you're making you're very

Speaker 12 baldly making the insinuation and lots of people did and and so like santen toes down like you know i i but like i just don't know that she like she thinks in that way she has she and clearly doesn't need it in the same way and that's the difference that's the difference is that i think like she was working really hard at the beginning maybe because like it did kind of reignite a lot of things for her but all those other women i mean the reason doreet is is showing up right now yeah and like love or hate is because she needs the check, yeah.

Speaker 12 And Garcelle, one thing you could say about her right now is she's leaving, not needing the check, she is making lifetime movies good for her, yeah, you know, like she doesn't need it, and I think like you could feel that, and I want them hungry and desperate and needing it, right?

Speaker 12 I mean, Sutton, unwatchable, Kyle, I, as we know, my feelings on Kyle, Erica, whole makeover the fact that Erica came for Garcel for not being interesting and Erica's one storyline this season was redoing her fucking living room I'm sorry I liked Bose I mean I thought that Bose like definitely livened things up I think yeah no she's she's uh gonna be a major player for a while I

Speaker 12 you know

Speaker 12 I don't know I it just it it

Speaker 12 just felt icky felt icky i don't believe that they're friends and the and the and the kathy sort of runway moment i was like that is yeah you'd really agree

Speaker 12 we've really let we've unfortunately i think we've fed the goose too much with Kathy.

Speaker 12 The future of the entire housewives empire lies in one woman and one woman alone. And that woman's name is Stacey Rush.

Speaker 12 But still, I really.

Speaker 12 Can we go back for a second? I actually believe that the relationship was not real, but I do believe that what she said to him. was

Speaker 12 this will be really good for you like in your business and then then he extrapolated from there that she was paying him to be on the show. Agree.
You're going to trust him over her.

Speaker 12 He's clearly on hand. We've seen him on the show.
Like, it is like, it is to take his word for anything is actually quite ridiculous. Exactly.
I believe Stacey more than TJ.

Speaker 12 I believe that she's not telling the full story, but that's okay. She's not left to withhold.

Speaker 12 I think that Bowen has some like I love her. He's got love blinders on.
I got tip blinders on. She's got the most amazing

Speaker 12 famously. Foomboob.
Her boobs are perfect.

Speaker 12 When you were saying the future of the franchise, I really thought you were going to say one word and one word alone, and that is Shamia. I mean,

Speaker 12 I need to start.

Speaker 12 I need to start Atlanta. You haven't started anything? I haven't started the season.
Oh, Atlanta is really good. So Atlanta has been, because Kenya Moore just exited

Speaker 12 herself.

Speaker 12 And it's been really, I think it's been a really, really compelling

Speaker 12 season overall. It's a dream boot really works.
And the thing is. Torsha's great on the show

Speaker 12 is great on the show and i i worry i don't want to see a schism between her and shamia and i i i fear that oh it's happening direction it's like it's like definitely happening but like shamia starts the season like she is the center she's in the center with portia no shamia

Speaker 12 is a real star and i didn't know she had it like that

Speaker 12 and i what i have since learned is that they have been that bravo has known all along oh what that she has got the juice in that peach

Speaker 12 but her husband wouldn't let her be more than a friend of until now.

Speaker 12 Because I think he did not understand how powerful the show was until now.

Speaker 12 I honestly, it really is surprising because the first episode, the first scenes of the first episode are all Shamia's amazing home. Like she starts the season.
She's multi-talented.

Speaker 12 She's got like this very full family, this big full life. Like, and it's just, she's obviously great on camera.
She gets it.

Speaker 12 It's like the way that they

Speaker 12 started fights, but ended them at the right time. Yeah, she gets sound bites.
She's beautiful. She got fashion.
And she's very connected to everyone already.

Speaker 12 It's like, so surprising that they tried this with Marlowe before Shamia, but I guess, yeah, Shamia had like an extenuating circumstance.

Speaker 12 Because, yeah, it's just, she's, yeah, I love it. I, Portia's doing great.
I love Angela. Love Kelly.
Yeah, I like Kelly a lot. And, and again, like, the thing is, is that like,

Speaker 12 can you really, it's so frustrating because

Speaker 12 Britt is not for the show you know i don't know i can't i i agree with you the thing is is like the

Speaker 12 threatening her with a gun is is crazy yeah and like if we didn't know if we didn't know what was violent if if we didn't know what was coming with kenya the entire audience would have would have been like behind kenya yeah would have been behind kenya but then kenya takes it to such an extreme level that is unforgivable and unlike you you just can't get past it and also it's like it's like the look in her eyes when she was doing it.

Speaker 12 I was like, oh, no, you got to deal with stuff. No.
Like, this is so many other dark things.

Speaker 12 And can I say, too, like the big difference between a lot of what Kenya did and say, like, for instance, Portia physically assaulting Kenya at the reunion and still coming back and still being on the show is that with Porsche, that was like a heat of the moment, in the moment thing that she immediately

Speaker 12 remorse. Immediate remorse.
Yeah. It was not a premeditated thing.
Kenya's thing was fully, she had to print, she had to go to fucking Kinko's and print revenge porn she went out of her way

Speaker 12 okay so we should also say it is not revenge porn because it was not

Speaker 12 not legally not legally speaking yes but let's but we should be

Speaker 12 porn that was being used for shame for shame and revenge so but i want to protect us legally yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm sunny hostin yeah i have a legal note kenya would sue us cult i don't put anything past anyone yeah you're right it's true because you put do you put things past people no never you've never been one to suffer fools i don't put anything past y'all.

Speaker 12 That's your housewife's tagline. I don't put anything past anyone except, I don't know.

Speaker 12 This is mine. This is mine.
I don't suffer fools, but I do suffer joint pain.

Speaker 12 Not suffer from, suffer joint pain. Here's mine.
I'm back on the East Coast, and I'm doing the most. Oh, that's actually a pretty slant rhyme.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 East and D. Kind of writing those words.
Go ahead.

Speaker 12 I don't know because I have my

Speaker 12 go-to one, but I don't want to do that one. I do want to do a new one.
And it's like,

Speaker 12 I'm from Chicago, so you know I know how to ride the brown line. You know,

Speaker 12 oh my God.

Speaker 12 Riding the brown line as a euphemism for gay sex.

Speaker 12 Riding the brown line is title of that. Unfortunately.

Speaker 12 I'm a powerful woman in this scenario, so you don't know what it means. Right.

Speaker 12 It means you're a powerful woman taking him in the butt. But what if? Never mind.
Yeah, we'll leave it at brown line. Riding the brown line can mean topping.
It is verse vocabulary. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 12 Well, no one would know. You know, he's coming out as all sorts of things, bisexual.
No, I'm saying that.

Speaker 12 I'm Kinsey five, maybe 4.5, but Matt is kind of twisting that into thinking that I'm a top, which I never have identified. I think it would be fabulous for you to try it.

Speaker 12 Have you ever

Speaker 12 topped? You have. I just don't, I don't wear that as an identity in a way that I think is meaningful.
Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 12 you know what I mean? He doesn't watch gay porn and see a mirror of himself in the top. No, it's always the bottom.

Speaker 12 Honestly, yeah. Although, I'm back in my, I'm back.
Back in the game. Back in the case.

Speaker 12 By the way, still getting subscribers to

Speaker 12 Matt and Joel's search for the next L Woods. Really? Still,

Speaker 12 I get notifications every now and then. It is still available on Patreon.
Is it actually

Speaker 12 available on Patreon?

Speaker 12 Search for the next L Woods.

Speaker 12 I forgot until I just was listening to it the other day that Patty Harrison herself wrote the theme song. That's the whole theme song.
Thank God for COVID. There's the headline.

Speaker 12 There's the whole question.

Speaker 12 Thank God for COVID that Patty.

Speaker 12 We have a theme to do, and we had nothing to do better than to make this podcast. And Patty was free enough, and And the only time she'll ever be free again to write the theme song for our podcast.

Speaker 12 Wait, so if we're still getting subscribers, does that mean you still pay? I made it free. Oh, you made it free.
I'm on its free. Okay, because I was going to say, I was thinking,

Speaker 12 the big scandal would be that we've accrued like thousands of dollars that we said was going to charity. It's now free.
Yeah. Okay,

Speaker 12 Cousin of the Week is still one of the great podcast segments. Cousin of the Week was good.
Okay, let's do Cousin of the Week. We still reference just in general.

Speaker 12 Cousin of the Week was a segment on Matt and Joel on the Search of the Next House. Matt and and Joel on the search for the next hour was where we said which of the girls was

Speaker 12 cousin of the week who was giving the most cousin energy. I have one.
Who's your cousin of the week?

Speaker 12 And again, this is all going to be dated, but my cousin of the week is congratulations on your opening sister, Hailey Steinfeld. Yeah, yeah, she's cousin of the week.

Speaker 12 She is cousin of the week because of that flame dress. Yeah.
And we won't say why. Yeah.
But

Speaker 12 that dress is cousin energy. This is a Haley Steinfeld stand podcast.

Speaker 12 I believe she's the queen of pop.

Speaker 12 I do need her to release more music. Capital Lettis.

Speaker 12 I will jam.

Speaker 12 First of all, don't even get me started on You Want to Go High Up, which is that song. But also, there's what's the

Speaker 12 Hell Nose and Headphones.

Speaker 12 I love that. Where she's at the party slutshaming people.
I love that. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 She did a song for the Bumblebee movie, the Transformer spin-off Bumblebee, called Back to Life. Actually, excellent.
Really? I need to see it.

Speaker 12 Bumblebee is excellent.

Speaker 12 Watch it on a plane and you'll get your life. Love it.
Okay. It's small.
It's a small, it's a character piece. Yeah.
And Haley carries.

Speaker 12 Always does. All right.
Yeah. My cousin of the week is Megan Fahey and Drop.

Speaker 12 Because now my cousins have kids and they love their kids so much. And Megan Fahey and Drop was so determined to save her child.

Speaker 12 And if you haven't seen Drop, it's really, really good. Wow.
No, you would love it. Oh, I know.
Do you want to know why? It's because it's just like Red Eye. Oh, that is.

Speaker 12 That is, someone else said that to me today. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It's really fun. Jeffree Self is great in it.
Megan's amazing. Like, she should be movie star down.
Megan being spiritually linked to Rachel McAdams feels so crazy. Yes.

Speaker 12 And at the time, Rachel McAdams was my cousin of the week. That's right.
Years ago. And so I would say cousin of the week.
And also because I do feel we could play cousins.

Speaker 12 My cousin of the week is Megan Fahey and drop. Who's your cousin of the week? My cousin of the week is,

Speaker 12 I did not really see a moment of of this, but it just, it just, I felt the cousin energy was Addison Ray showing up at the Argus set at Coachelle. I was like, I love that for her.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 She's always going to be a cousin.

Speaker 12 No, yeah. She,

Speaker 12 she gives cousin in that, like, I'm always like, she's got stuff going on. I don't know about it.
Exactly. You know,

Speaker 12 I'm happy for her.

Speaker 12 Of course. You know, when I see the updates, scroll on by.
But, like, I don't know what she's going on. I don't know what she's going on.
My cousin Addison is doing things. Right.

Speaker 12 What they are, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 12 Oh, she shot a music video in Paris. Oh, but do you know exactly what your cousins are doing right now? Grow up.
Grow up. I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 12 But I will say, you know, people who are close to their cousins. No, that could be an I Don't Think So, honey, for me.
Oh, frankly. You know who else kind of was giving cousin when she came out?

Speaker 12 Wait, weekend one?

Speaker 12 By the way, the Charlie set at weekend one of Coachella was Billy, Troy, and Lord all came out, which was only bested by Nagan the Stallion set, which saw Victoria Monet, Queen Latifa,

Speaker 12 and Sierra. Wow.
They did good. Goodies.

Speaker 12 Good luck booking that stage. She finally booked that stage.
She booked that stage. She finally spoke of that.
She spoke of the stage that she spoke of.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 Lord was kind of giving cousin energy. Oh, that's good.
Lord kind of gives cousin energy. And you're one of Lord's biggest fans.
Biggest fans. I will say that, like, especially.

Speaker 12 She announced her new single. I saw that.
I saw that. I'm so excited.
It'll probably be out by the time.

Speaker 12 It's called What Was That? Yeah, I can't. Did you know that?

Speaker 12 Oh, my God.

Speaker 12 You know, I love that sentence.

Speaker 12 I get texts from Lord. Look, Lord,

Speaker 12 because I signed up for the mailing list. I love looking down on my phone and seeing that Lord.
When Lord texted you. My new song, What Was That? Out soon.
Wendy Williams.

Speaker 12 She samples. I hope she samples.
I hope she samples. Oh, my God.
Look. And there's single art.

Speaker 12 She gave cousin energy in that she was finally, for the first time in a while, she was the elder cousin in that, in that lineup of people. Yes, she was the elder cousin.
She was the elder cousin.

Speaker 12 And, like,

Speaker 12 you know, it's like that thing where it's like, yeah, I just like, because she for so long was the youngest in the entire family. Oh, yeah, she really was.

Speaker 12 And now that we're a little bit older, we're like, welcome, welcome, yeah, welcome in. Okay, well, by the way, I just pre-saved what was that on Spotify.

Speaker 12 It's probably out by now when we put this out, but I'm really excited. The first, I need, we need a powerful Lord era.
Absolutely.

Speaker 12 And I was going to say, we have needed a huge song in pop that ends with the word that.

Speaker 12 I still think about the impact of why did you do that?

Speaker 12 I can't stop thinking about it.

Speaker 12 One of the titles of Joel's episodes. Yes, why did you do that? Too many.

Speaker 12 How have our thoughts on Starsborn sort of developed since that episode?

Speaker 12 I think the movie is even better. It's even better.

Speaker 12 I'm sorry to say. That after Gaga hosted, I was like, I need to fucking dig into this bitch once again.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 So good.

Speaker 12 And I just,

Speaker 12 the first 20 minutes of that movie the whole movie it took you to the garden of eden it took me took me to the garden of eden and i mean she's so damn good

Speaker 12 so good like the i forgot about the moment where they're at the bar at the beginning she was like i'm here with jackson main like i don't know what's going on like like the way she reminded me of like i don't even know what's going on right now is i'm like that's so sweet we love gaga love gaga love gaga okay what about you starsborne uh starsborne you know i haven't revisited i just talked about it recently though because I was talking about

Speaker 12 how

Speaker 12 she was so wasted in Joker 2. Like, why cast her in that role? And why do

Speaker 12 bad singing, right? Why cast Lady Gaga to be a bad singer? Like, it doesn't correct. Like, it seems like such a waste.

Speaker 12 Like, Gaga is as a singular entity, will forever be iconic as a musician, as a pop star, as a, as a, as a person of the culture, and as an actress.

Speaker 12 But I do think after seeing the penguin, you could slot Christine

Speaker 12 Miliatti into any role that Gaga has ever done. Oh,

Speaker 12 and it would be better. It would be better.

Speaker 12 Oh my gosh,

Speaker 12 you are

Speaker 12 except for Starsborn. Except for Starsborn, right? Except for Starsborne.
Of course, but

Speaker 12 wow.

Speaker 12 I know you're close personal friends now. No, no, no, but you just want Kristen Miliatti to work more.
I want

Speaker 12 that. I just think she is so brilliant.
You guys just amazed the Penguin. I watched the Penguins.
I just watched the Brian. Oh, okay.
which is amazing.

Speaker 12 I came on here and said, sang the praises.

Speaker 12 That is the way you, if in this world where we cannot sell anything that is not connected to an existing IP, like that's the way you do it. Is you sneak in

Speaker 12 like women's that the penguin is not a story about the penguin. It is about women.
And women's stories matter. Women's stories matter.

Speaker 12 They wrapped up women's stories in a fucking penguin piece of cheese

Speaker 12 and piece of fetish to these boys

Speaker 12 that didn't know what was about to hit them. And Colin was amazing.
And Colin, and yes, no, and that's not to discount Colin's performance.

Speaker 12 It was incredible as well. But like, I was so impressed with that show because you could have never, you could not know what Batman is and enjoyed the shit out of that show.
Absolutely.

Speaker 12 And in fact, I had to convince many people who were like, I don't want to watch a Batman show. It's not a Batman show.
And it's not a Batman show. It's simply

Speaker 12 a show about women.

Speaker 12 Yeah. But can I say

Speaker 12 Gaga would have been great in Penguin? Yes, she would have. She would have.
No, no, it's true.

Speaker 12 Maybe not better.

Speaker 12 Maybe that's not the verbiage I want to say, but like, I do think that like

Speaker 12 you're seated for either of those. I wanted Kristen Miliatti and House of Gucci.

Speaker 12 Yes, that's, I think, what I mean. That's the note behind the name of the music.

Speaker 12 I want House of Gucci too with Lady Gaga. Right.

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Speaker 12 Like, I can't get enough of

Speaker 12 House of Gucci.

Speaker 12 You know, best supporting actress is House of Gucci. Salma Hayek.

Speaker 12 Salmah Hayek will do the goofiest shit. She will, she is down to clown.
Like, I'm ready to do, I don't think so honey.

Speaker 12 This is I don't think so. This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture.
Matt has something. He is ready and rearing to go.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 12 Time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Not enough utilization of the icon Salma Hayek in media across television, film. I would love to hear the album.
We need Salmahayek's Pinot's debut album.

Speaker 12 By the way, House of Gucci, we needed the lesbian scene with Lady Gaga and Salmahayek. We're saying it now in the year of our Lord 2025.
We needed that.

Speaker 12 I don't think so, honey, that we didn't get it and they shot it? Where's the deleted scenes? Bring back DVDs. That's another topic.
Yeah. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 12 The Marvel movie they tried to do with all of them. And they kill Salmahayek off right away.
Oh, Eternals, yeah. Eternals.
No, I guess not. I guess very, very temporary.
The opposite of eternal.

Speaker 12 And I don't think so, honey, that we talk about Salmahayek in this

Speaker 12 casual way. You should be bowing down to Salmahayek.
Salmahayek has impact that we're not even understanding or recognizing. And we need to change that.
I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.

Speaker 12 Just a little like asterisk to your I don't think so, honey, is that like, I don't think so, honey, Marvel changing the line reading.

Speaker 12 In the original trailer for the Eternals, you can clearly hear Thoma Hayek say, and we've talked, I think we've talked about this on the pod before, Thanos.

Speaker 12 With Tano, you know, and she says it like that. And then we go and watch the film.
We sit down for the film.

Speaker 12 Me and my life partner go down and sit for this film, excited to hear the line reading Thanos. And then they changed it.
To Thanos? They changed it to Thanos. They made her go back to the box.

Speaker 12 They made her go back into the ADR booth and say Thanos.

Speaker 12 I've got some. I've got it.
I don't think so, honey. Let's go.

Speaker 12 This is going to do it at zippers, but I'm like, I got nothing. All right.

Speaker 12 This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
ADR, and this coming from an ADR legend, I slay the ADR booth because guess what I'm doing?

Speaker 12 I'm matching tone. I'm matching acoustics.
I'm matching lip flaps. But sometimes it doesn't need to happen.
Sometimes we stumble on our words and sometimes the audience doesn't have to understand us.

Speaker 12 Sometimes you can just cut around. You lose the whole damn line.

Speaker 12 line ADR sometimes I don't mind it but sometimes they count you in and they they sink it in wrong sometimes it's just um sometimes it's humiliating you see I don't want to see my fuck-ups up close and 15 seconds maybe it's okay to sit with that maybe it's okay to not go back in the booth because you know what I like Sandra Bullock crumble

Speaker 12 five seconds I'm not good at voiceover in general and ADR is my one safe space but now I'm ready to let that go because I don't think it's worth it. And that's one minute.

Speaker 12 I also, I've never not noticed it. Exactly.
I noticed

Speaker 12 it. Every single time.
And

Speaker 12 I'll go into do ADR and I'll be like,

Speaker 12 I'll see what the issue is. And I'll be like, so do you think it's better to do obvious ADR over this?

Speaker 12 It's something about the post-process that I don't understand.

Speaker 12 And when ADR is obvious, it drives me nuts. Sometimes it's necessary.
Listen, you get moments like Tanos. You get moments like Tanos.
First of all, who's to say it's not actually pronounced Tanos?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 On a different planet, a different galaxy. It's very American that they did that.

Speaker 12 Well, it is like, I think that they saw, because there was like a little bit of, it was a little viral for that reason. And I think that they were like, this is a serious film.

Speaker 12 Okay, that is ridiculous. First of all,

Speaker 12 here's my question. Do we think, and this is my question to you, someone who's seen Eternals,

Speaker 12 was her performance in the moment where she said Thanos like so stunning that they felt like they had to use the Thanos take and maybe she said Thanos eight other times, but they just didn't like those takes?

Speaker 12 I don't know. I believe that Salma Hayek gives a brilliant takeaway.

Speaker 12 I mean, comedic, I think Salma is like independently wealthy in a way that like she, the reason we don't see Salma is because Selma does not want to be seen. Doesn't need to need to work.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 12 She she picks and chooses the weirdest things. Like that Black Mirror episode she did.
Oh, I I love that episode. It's so incredible.
It's so incredible.

Speaker 12 But like, you're, I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like, how did they get her?

Speaker 12 How did they get her?

Speaker 12 I think it's an opposite thing.

Speaker 12 I don't think people go to her enough. I think people just assume that she's comfortable.
Yeah. Ooh, interesting.

Speaker 12 I think people should roll the dice more on Salma.

Speaker 12 I think filmmakers need to shoot their shot with Salma more. She is like.

Speaker 12 She's so willing to do big, like big, take big comedic swings, big big character choices. Oscar-nominated actress.
Yeah, forget. Incredible.
Incredible. 30 Rock Legendary.
Oh, so good.

Speaker 12 Like one of the best of all time guest stars, reoccurring guest stars on that show.

Speaker 12 And she was one of the best parts of the show.

Speaker 12 And almost, I would say, all of his girlfriends, stunk casted girlfriends on that show. Yeah.
Were incredible. Elizabeth Banks, Edie Falco.

Speaker 12 There was another one. There was another one.
Oh, Julianne Moore. Julianne Moore, of course.
Elizabeth Banks. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 12 Lachlan's mom.

Speaker 12 Oh, Emily Mortimer. Emily Mortimer, right? Yes.
Yep. Yes.
Bones. Avian Bones.
Yes. Yes.
Nope. Avian Bones.

Speaker 12 I just want to say, I know this is cheating, but I haven't been here in a while. The other two I don't think so that we're going to do other than the one I'm about to do.
Okay.

Speaker 12 Is A, I don't think so many people who text their email address or phone number in

Speaker 12 not. in a separate text to make it easily copy and paste

Speaker 12 it. That's a very nice thing.

Speaker 12 That is texting etiquette 101 as far as I'm concerned. Do not send send me your email address or phone number in the body of a large block of text so that I cannot get to it.

Speaker 12 But I have to do

Speaker 12 Instagram DMs. Instagram DMs, especially are hard.
Yes. You know? And it's just like, I cannot stand it.
I was like, now I have to, I have to do this manually. I mean, you've changed my behavior.

Speaker 12 Thank you. Thank you.
And the other one was people who say, wow, that really made me laugh the group chat. Because you are upending the entire ecosystem of haha, lol.
Ha ha ha.

Speaker 12 It's technical. Yeah, you've now, you've now downgraded.

Speaker 12 You've really pulled the curtain, and I'm seeing, like, oh, with that, that pithy thing that I said that got four haha reacts on the chain. So, how do you feel about this?

Speaker 12 How do you feel about these two words? Actual lol.

Speaker 12 No, you've, you've broken the illusion. I say actual lol.

Speaker 12 It's it. And the thing is, what does lol mean then?

Speaker 12 What does law mean? What does lol mean? Should this episode be called actual lol?

Speaker 12 What about

Speaker 12 this?

Speaker 12 I'm laughing. I love I'm laughing.

Speaker 12 I love I'm laughing. I'm laughing.
I'm laughing. It's like all of it, though, is just sort of like, oh, that took me out.
Did it take you out? Right. Did it really?

Speaker 12 That took me out. I'm laughing is so

Speaker 12 general use. So many use cases for it.
If you're actually lolling, say it applies. If you're just lolling, you know, for etiquette purposes, great.
I'm laughing is the way. I'm laughing.

Speaker 12 I promise you I really am. Like, if I say I'm laughing, I promise you I really am.
Ha ha emoji or haha, whatever reaction thing. I can't promise that I'm ha-ha.

Speaker 12 I can promise that I

Speaker 12 can react up that I did think it's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 It's an intellectual exercise, the ha-a react. Yeah, that made me laugh.
I don't like. I'm laughing.
I'm laughing. I love.

Speaker 12 Wow, that really made me laugh. Fuck you.
Yeah. And I, of course, love actual lol.

Speaker 12 I have friends who do real grin, RG. No,

Speaker 12 I'm so sorry. They're fans of the podcast, so they're gone.
You don't have those friends anymore. Oh, no, they're gone.
What about itchball?

Speaker 12 Itchball,

Speaker 12 itchball. I love it.
I had a moment, man.

Speaker 12 Itchball is still a bit more. It's like going, it's the cycles are moving too fast.
Like, we had Chugi for just a brief moment. Yeah, but now he was never built to last.

Speaker 12 Hubbs is apparently the new one. Hubs? Hubbs.
What's going on?

Speaker 12 It's how you refer how Jen Alpha is referring apparently to people that they have crushes on. Oh, I think they are.

Speaker 12 And correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it's, yeah, it is associated with that.
Okay, I like that. That's the father word.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 this is direct intel from Maya Rudolph about her 14-year-old. I see.
So like, it could just be whatever is going on in L.A.

Speaker 12 I haven't done the research or, you know, I haven't asked ChatGBT to confirm or deny.

Speaker 12 Ideball, I really miss Hannah.

Speaker 12 Are people itgeballing stuff? He does. I'm doing it.
Wow. I just burst out laughing.
I just burst out laughing. Well, I mean, it's the same sort of over-the-top like nonsense as rolling on the floor.

Speaker 12 Right. I never, I never saw people.
Get off the floor. Get off the floor.
Get off the floor. That way you're rolling.
Rolling around filthy on the floor. It's filthy.
Okay, now I'm ready to do

Speaker 12 it. All right.
So.

Speaker 12 After two I don't think so honeys,

Speaker 12 here's Joel's real I don't think so honey. This is Joel Kimbles' I don't think so honey.
It's time starts now. I don't think so honey Singing competition shows.
I'm talking about you, American Idol.

Speaker 12 Guess what, American Idol? You did it on the first try. You founder.

Speaker 12 Okay, hang it up. We don't need you anymore.
We do not need the voice. We do not need X Factor.
We do not need America's Got Talent to find singers for us anymore. Because guess what?

Speaker 12 There is no monoculture. There is no monoculture.
And your gig, your little playbook only works if everybody's watching and no one is watching anymore. Not all of America, okay? There are two men.

Speaker 12 These are professional karaoke competition shows with a cash prize at the end. And that's okay.
That's okay. Sell them on that.
Do not promise them a career.

Speaker 12 Do not promise them that they'll be stars because many of them will not be stars. They will end up as the third replacement on Broadway of a B-tier musical.
Okay. That's a job.
A B-tier musical.

Speaker 12 G-Fox. And yes, I don't want to take away jobs for people, but I'm just saying,

Speaker 12 let's frame what you are appropriately. And that is a karaoke competition show with a cash prize.
And that's one minute. okay edge

Speaker 12 i just stood up clapping

Speaker 12 edge edge suck edge suck

Speaker 12 i just stood up clapping i and i would like to say for the record i told you this before the record i am watching i'm still

Speaker 12 the biggest fan of these i'm watching american idol i'm watching the voice yeah i'm watching it all happen amazing talented people come through there but the fact of the matter is is that no one is famous anymore It is like so crazy.

Speaker 12 It makes me laugh. Dishonest.

Speaker 12 It makes me laugh when people as an insult are like i don't even know who this person is and it's like no one knows no one knows yeah no there is not there is not one person there are not there are very few people i should say right that everybody knows yeah like it does it just doesn't exist and in a world where that doesn't exist and it's so fractured right that like you can't you couldn't create another kelly clarkson right you couldn't like and the reason why like it did it was successful up until a certain point through you know we got fantasia we got carrie we got um uh jennifer hudson et cetera, Clay.

Speaker 12 But like, that was still back when we were talking at the water

Speaker 12 cooler about television. Yeah.
And there's just no monoculture anymore. And that only, you can only create a stars like that when there is a monoculture.
You know what's funny is like

Speaker 12 who technically is an American Idol find is Benson Boone. Yeah, I found that.
And the only reason he's as famous as he is is because he quit abruptly.

Speaker 12 I didn't like that. So he, he was on American Idol.

Speaker 12 He gave this insane audition, like this amazing audition and katy perry was literally like do you want to win this show you can if that's what you want you can win this show and then he like made it to i guess like the live rounds or whatever and then was abruptly gone i think because someone got in his head and was like yo if you want a real career don't stay on this through the live shows do not yeah that that that happened recently with another contestant a young girl who was giving like uh taylor swift like she the heir apparent and like by the the time she made it to the lives she was out because of the contracts

Speaker 12 yeah yeah and that's another thing that is a problem with this is that like you're locking these people into things that like maybe not necessarily help them you know yeah do you listen to this podcast i i watch it i listen to it was it do you watch or listen i listen to it there's a lot of holes in your story already i listen to it when it for me it's a touchdown for me and my friends okay

Speaker 12 i only listen to it when it's stars

Speaker 12 you don't listen to it when it's stars I don't listen to it.

Speaker 12 You didn't listen to the Gaga episodes? I have listened to the Gaga episode audio. Okay, so there's lots of holes in the stars.
Okay, and I listened to the Kelly.

Speaker 12 I guess for me. I listened to the Kelly Carson episode, what, two years ago? The thing is,

Speaker 12 I listen when there's stars that I know matter to YouTube.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 did you listen to

Speaker 12 Taborone? Dropped today.

Speaker 12 That dropped today. I watched her item big so honey.
Collapse to her.

Speaker 12 As a scholar of the form, I think it was a fantastic show. She did great.

Speaker 12 yeah and you did great and you did great and I did great today yeah everybody did great this was a wonderful return to form I was gonna say people will herald this as a return to form

Speaker 12 or back yeah I mean like listen I've listened to the coal episode 19,000

Speaker 12 times no no no the recent one yeah the recent

Speaker 12 coal yeah

Speaker 12 literally we we were trapped in a burning man exit line for about eight hours and we only only had the podcasts that were already downloaded on our phones to listen to. We had to go back.

Speaker 12 We went back and listened to it again. I forget about that as a thing people can do.
Like, people can have favorite episodes of a podcast. That is sweet.
Like, we have that. Like, we listen to that.

Speaker 12 What is the Murder of the Stupid Bitch Front? Murder of the Stupid Bitches Trail.

Speaker 12 Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 We revisit Meg's episode constantly.

Speaker 12 Oh, that was when I got hit by your car. Yeah.
Yeah. We visited.

Speaker 12 I feel like people see a new classic in the Gabby Wendy episode. Yeah, they do.

Speaker 12 that one was great too but like i think like it makes me sad sometimes because i want to be tactile with my sisters i want to be i want you want to be in the room you want to be in the room i i understand you know you want to be with

Speaker 12 me no you want to be

Speaker 12 just had her on my podcast she was amazing she's just great

Speaker 12 that was a really good episode yeah no and again i did listen to that one too but it's just okay so lots of holes

Speaker 12 And maybe that's the title of it. Lots of holes.
Lots of holes. No, but we have actual lol.
We have lots of holes. And we have Riding on the Brown Line.
Maybe

Speaker 12 Riding on the Brown Line. That feels the most Joel.
You know what I mean? Well, what else would feel the most Joel is to plug his project? Oh, yeah. So you can listen to Bad Dates.

Speaker 12 It comes out every Monday, I think. I want to say every Monday

Speaker 12 or Tuesday. It comes out.
It comes out.

Speaker 12 It comes out on a weekly basis.

Speaker 12 Matt's been on. I haven't gotten bone yet.
I haven't landed my white whale.

Speaker 12 You can watch Love Hotel every Sunday at 8-7 Central following Real House Atlanta on Bravo. Not on Beauk.
Not anymore. Wait, 8-7 Central, but following Atlanta? I might have gotten it wrong.

Speaker 12 Or maybe I got it wrong. Maybe it's not following Atlanta.
Maybe it's lead into Atlanta. It's just on Sundays.
But it's just on Sundays. It's got to be following Atlanta.
I don't know.

Speaker 12 If I'm programming Bravo, I'm putting it on after Atlanta. Yeah.
So catch that. The show is fucking fantastic.
It is. I want to see.

Speaker 12 It's going to be really, it's very different from anything that they've ever tried to do. I think it's, I, you know, obviously I'm biased, but I think it's, it's, it's a compelling watch.

Speaker 12 Um, and you'll see these ladies in a very different light from their respective views. And wait, it's it's Shannon Giselle, Ashley, and Luann Luann.
Luann. Okay, so I like one of them.

Speaker 12 Some of the people on it. I like one of them.
The thing is,

Speaker 12 you'll get your life watching. It will take you out.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 An Ijbul. An Ijbul.
I'm laughing. And you'll be on the floor.

Speaker 12 Because I'm laughing. No matter who you're watching.
It's running the brown line. Period.
Period.

Speaker 12 Unless we'll discuss. And then let's discuss.

Speaker 12 I want to support my sister. Riding on the brown line.
Riding on the brown light. And then, yeah, I guess Luke will be out later this year and

Speaker 12 other things. To be continued.
To be continued. We end every episode with a big old song.

Speaker 12 I'm so. I forgot about this part.
I'm so excited.

Speaker 12 Oh,

Speaker 12 holy night.

Speaker 12 Lots of holes. The stars are brightly shining.

Speaker 12 It is the night.

Speaker 12 It is the day. It is the night.

Speaker 12 I've got a round deal.

Speaker 12 You really favored that song. You made it your own.
Good.

Speaker 12 Carry on to it, everyone.

Speaker 12 Goodbye. Bye.

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