"Tangent Zone" (w/ Jinkx Monsoon)

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As our guest takes a massive hit of the vape.

I'm jealous, to be quite honest.

Stars are back.

Star behavior is back.

Hit the vape.

Expand on that.

It's

sweet.

No, we know.

It's just weed.

We love it.

What does it matter?

This is the thing.

Back in the day, like, let's say at the chateau, there would be signs.

I'm saying in the 70s.

Yeah.

There'd be signs at the doors that were like,

no actors.

Why, the rest of the children, people in showbiz were never moral paragons.

No.

And now it's like, okay, we all got to like behave and like watch in a straight line and walk through the stage.

No smoking inside.

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No honey later.

It's going to be egg forward, period.

We just high five for those who can't watch us and are listening to this like it's still just a podcast it's tv it's tv it's a tv show we're on the idiot box like everyone else hey speaking of tv the emmys i just want to say um some shout outs hannah einbinder we're proud of you baby every single bit of every moment rocks hannah einbinder we love you gene smart kristen miliotti oh

it happened aaron dougherty adolescent love owen cooper adolescent owen cooper

honestly the winners were so fantastic this year and surprising.

And we'll save the best for last and say Jeff Hiller.

God.

What?

I said to Bo, I was like, what did that feel like in the room?

Quickly tell them.

Rapturous, euphoric, volcanic.

I would say I erupted from the corona of my crown chakra.

I erupted from the corona of my crown chakra.

Corona crown.

I'm being redundant and repeating words, essentially, but you know what I mean.

Like I, some, I connected with.

That's like a Lord lyric.

It's like a lyric by the singer Lord.

Oh, you're saying Lord is redundant

from the crown of my

crown chakra

Anyway loved loved

get him next year girl girl never

I'm Susan Lucci until I die.

I think that's really chic for you

Oh, well nothing better.

I get to go to the little parties These little parties.

Fun.

Oh wait, I have to shout out

Brittany Snow, Malin Ockerman, Katie Lowe, Rebecca Cutter,

everyone involved in Hunting Wives, because they were the bells of the ball.

Everyone turned to Gawk and say, wow, look at them.

They are television, peak television.

Multi.

And I want to say someone dropped out during the broadcast from presenting.

They pulled in Brittany and Malin during the show because Celeste and I sat in front of them.

And they were like, I guess we're presenting.

So chill, so matter of fact,

so professional.

They were like, yeah, we don't know what the copy is yet.

They did not find out the copy until 10 minutes before.

And I would say one of the highlights of the night.

Sorry, took me off.

And so I had, this is brilliant to hear.

And I just want to say I had a night full of highlights the other night because I went to go for, I think, my fifth time.

Yes.

To the Broadway production, O'Mary.

Oh, my fifth too.

Right.

Because it's kind of at the point now where it's like every time they announce even

I get like a whiff of a casting rumor.

And then it comes to be, I'm like, well, I guess I'm going again.

And it's never a hardship.

It's always a hard.

It's always a hard.

Me rock hard in the seats for comedy and more.

When they post the daguerreotype of whatever actor in the curls, in the Bratty Curls, as Colescola puts it, I go, I guess I'm buying.

Can I say, this is the year where we've got Cola Scola with a Tony, Jeff Hiller with an Emmy, and Jamal Tillman with an Emmy.

Currently our guest on the boards and become a Broadway fixture.

And so deservedly so.

I can't think of anything more, right?

Also, since we've last seen our guests, she has won RuPaul's Drag Race All-Winners All-Stars, which what was the title they gave?

Seven All-Winners.

But what was it?

It was called like Superstar of the Queendom or whatever.

You know, they're always coming up with these long titles, honorifics, if you will.

It is a true joy, as always, to sort of, and let me hit that.

Am I allowed?

Yeah, of course, honey.

I'm on the street.

I trust you.

This trust you.

You're in Alda.

I'm on Prep.

Because our guest is on Prep, we can share this.

And that's part of everything I need to talk about today.

This.

Or prep.

Prep.

This is going to be the most prepped forward episode we've ever had.

Well, that's on you.

We should have been way more prepped forward.

Well, that's good.

Is that medical?

Sure.

I mean, I use it medicinally.

I got it from a legal dispensary.

Okay, well, yeah.

I was supposed to wait for you to get it.

By the way, 2020 is Jake Smonsoon.

We got a little carried away there, but we figured we didn't have to be able to do that.

That's how much I wanted to interject.

Interject now, please.

Through all of that.

Well, first of all, I wanted to name dropped constantly because you said Hannah.

Go ahead.

Grindbinder,

who was a guest judge on All-Stars

7.

Gene Smart, who I have yet to meet face-to-face, but I performed for her at the Tony's.

In your pirates, the Pirates.

The Penzen.

Those from penzance.

Oh my god, I said it wrong after watching.

How do you say it?

Penzance.

And I've watched press people say penzance.

Pinzance.

It's a disease that throws them off.

And these press people.

You know, that might be the one symptom I still feel from weed.

Because, like, what I was going to say is, I'm so, like, I seem pretty functional to you right now.

I'm on so many other things that negate the weed, but the weed is just like patching in the cracks.

I understand.

I understand.

That's how I feel about

Jean Smart.

She was in, call me Is

recently on Broadway across the street from my building.

So

sometimes I would be getting out of my car and she'd be doing her stage door and I'd get to just like look over and there's Jean Smart, right?

And when that wasn't happening, then I had her giant poster just outside my window.

So

life has become really

genie.

Life's become very surreal and I've just had to embrace it.

Because if I sit around commenting on how surreal it is,

I'll be one of those people who's like, oh my God, this is so amazing.

Rather than shut up, enjoy it then.

This is the new normal.

I've been trying to practice talking less.

I'm not doing very

glad he invited you to a podcast.

Because I dominate everything.

Anyway, that's not true.

Because I I don't want to be dominant.

Well,

I'm what they call a bossy bottom.

Okay.

Anyway,

who did they call it?

The general

consensus.

Okay.

Queerdom.

Jeff Hiller recently came to see O'Mary.

Of course.

Michael Urey was also nominated.

And of course,

of course, I was rooting for my castmate.

That's what you do.

But also, Jeff is a friend and they are friends with each other and so you know when he came to see the show and Michael and him were hugging and the three of us were hugging and congratulating each other on kicking a lot of ass

as very queer people right unapologetically so

I think the last thing I said to them before I departed that night was now one of you go win that and me so a straight guy doesn't get it or something like that

I didn't really know who the rest of the nominees are because I'm

completely unplugged from current culture by choice.

Anyway, you got it.

Like I said, you were nominee.

She was in the very category.

So I'm, well, see, we had the odds.

And I wasn't in that.

And that's what I want to talk about, about like

us kicking ass.

You know, I'm so, please, do you forgive me?

I'm so sorry.

I didn't know.

Oh, no, no, no.

It's something I couldn't care about.

But the same applies to you.

If you had been there, I would have said, now one.

Were you there that night?

I wasn't that.

No, not that night.

Not this night.

Oh, my God.

Because it's all in the blender at this point.

Of course.

But that category, I didn't even realize this until after the fact.

Like, everyone makes, made like a little lovely moment out of like the boxes when they announced, like, you know, the three of us sleeping for Jeff, which was me and Coleman and Michael.

And I was like, oh, right.

It's because this was a, like, for the first time in a long time in like not any award show, but in a long, since I can remember, like, a mostly gay guy group category four out of seven it's it's an astounding thing to witness it's like so many things all at once and i was talking to you about this when you came to see oh mary that there was a scarcity in this industry for us

the visibly unapologetically queer like couldn't try to hide it if we wanted to so why like waste my life trying to play characters that aren't right for me when i know what's right for me right

and i can keep pulling this thread but basically like if you look at you two with this podcast that's become a tv show

right and you look at cola scola who wrote o'mary and you look at michael and jeff and all of these people succeeding Do you know why we're fucking succeeding right now?

Because when no one believed in us, we created our own stuff.

You know, you created this when the roles were scarce.

Cole created their own play to create more roles for people like us.

And look at the roster

since, you know, and then

it's just, it's this amazing thing.

And I was telling Matt, like, when there was the scarcity, it didn't matter what the role was.

If there was any role that wasn't like in the box,

we were all going for it.

It didn't matter if you were a drag queen or a trans woman or a gay guy.

You know, it was like the role's queer, so we all have to find a way to go for it.

And then we're all kind of like, oh, I hope you get it.

No, I hope you get it.

But we're all actually, you know, it was hard.

It used to be hard to watch roles go to other performers, not because you don't want it for them, but because you're like, well, there goes that role this year.

That's the only one that's going to happen but now that that scarcity is not a thing as i was saying to matt the other night it is so easy to celebrate each other yeah you know like and i learned all of this from creating the jinx and dala holiday show which is my thing that we created right so if you look at all these queer artists that are blowing up right now

We've all been doing this for 20 years or something.

You know, I don't know how old you are, but we're probably the same age.

You probably

16 years, literally.

Exactly.

So it's like, exactly.

It didn't happen overnight, but the ability to celebrate one another only just keeps because then we pull each other in rather than fighting with each other, rather than competing.

We all pull each other in and then

recommend each other for roles because we have worked at tearing down those stigmas.

And you also get, I think, better at what you do and funnier when you're surrounded by people who you're inspired by and have things in common with, as opposed to pushing those things away.

Just every single time community has been, you can draw a direct line to why something succeeded, how something got better.

I think that's why we were all so happy for Jeff, because Jeff was this.

true, like an actual leader in terms of like comedy gaze or theater gaze.

It was him teaching at UCB or being in the mainstage casts that we all went to go see the shows.

He inspires Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson to then come together, whatever.

They have a model for this.

They put their show up.

Then we all go see their show and go hang out at Barracuda, rest in peace afterwards.

It was like us and Cole and Julio and like all of like all of the New York comedy queers just like hanging out.

And then like that's that's like we always say that was the beginning of actual like New York queer comedy.

Well, and also for what it's worth, we were also watching you on Dell.

Yes, you were on TV at that point.

This is happening

like you just described your New York queer comedy community in the drag world.

Yeah.

You know, Alaska had dragged the musical off Broadway.

Her and I were her and I and Cole and Tommy Dorfman were all nominated for this acting award with a bunch of muckety mucks and my friend's mom, Mia.

I love saying that.

I do it as much as I like.

friend's mom.

My friend's mom.

You know, Miss Mia.

You know Mia.

Anyway, it was incredible to look around

at that function, the Drama League Awards,

and see all the big people who are having a really big moment on Broadway,

see lifers in the biz.

Lifers.

See, like...

people who are household names.

I mean, Nick Jonas was sitting right behind me, looking down my dress, I'm sure.

Yeah.

You know, there was times I mentioned Mia Pharaoh.

It was like, and to even be able to look over my shoulder and see Mia Pharaoh just sitting there and she politely, you know, like because she's my friend.

And she's so incredibly kind.

I love her so much.

It's, I, they're, the Pharaoh family are like chosen family to me.

Um,

so it was incredible to see those faces and then see familiar faces.

Yeah, of course.

You're in the room.

Because you were talking about

your comedy family in New York.

And I just keep thinking about,

when YouTube was a brand new website, that's how long I've been a fan of Cola Scola and Jeffree Self, starting with just them kind of like,

dominating short form as it was being born.

So much so that a TV network logo picked them up.

And then I watched every episode of Jeffrey and Cole Casserole.

So it's like Cole being a huge sensation on Broadway

and the ability to celebrate that truly and genuinely.

It fuels me to keep going because I'm like, we got to take this and run.

Yeah, there's a

lot of people.

I was going to say, like,

the the scarcity is not like fully in the past like it keeps trying to like push the

double down and again what i'm saying is like we created our own stuff and it's authentic to who we are as performers

and when we get hired for things because they saw something

in your podcast or something,

whatever, you can connect the dots.

But like when they hire you from your work that's authentically you then you get to be authentically you in the work they hire you yeah 100 yeah rather than having to show up at an audition and be like hi my name is yeah

matt roders and you're right the voice was that idea that was the voice of your guys' straight voice no i don't really i've never really been able to to mask it matt certainly does

I mean, I was

like,

it gets, you know what's crazy?

It gets harder to slip into as I get older and younger, I guess, and more comfortable.

My

Long Island accent and also my masculine thing.

But it was kind of like this, I guess.

I mean, to be quite honest with you,

it is definitely like mouth.

That immediately adds the

malady, the slurring.

What it needed to do, it did.

Yeah.

It's shorter vowels.

You can't push your S's.

It's,

I think that's it.

And the upper lip sort of like flex.

It's like, I'm not going to see, I don't even want to try try it.

You don't have to.

I'm just curious.

You guys, I'm going to do mine for you.

Go.

Well, like, back in college, if it was someone I felt safe around, I'd say, like, good morning.

I'm just cleaning the room.

But if it was someone I didn't know or didn't feel safe around.

You happened to be in your room while you were cleaning.

No, what about you?

I was the janitor at my college.

You were?

You actually were.

Please don't send me on a team.

I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry.

Oh my God.

I thought you were doing like a, oh my God.

It it was a bit and true.

True.

So I don't need to come up with fiction.

Okay, anyway.

So, good morning.

I'm cleaning your room.

Is it somebody else?

And then

say it was someone else.

It probably would have sounded like,

hey, just cleaning.

You know, like just trying to be, because when I try to do a straight voice, it sounds like what I did jokingly, and it starts sounding funny.

And then people are like,

what is this?

Like, because, like, if I can pitch my voice very low,

the lowest you can do.

This would be the lowest I can do, but it's like that coming out of me is like, what the fuck?

It's really.

I only learned how to do that when I played.

The snatch game is who?

Who is that?

That sounds like...

Please.

Okay, you're not going on that.

Let's not pontificate that.

But no, no, no.

The point is, is like...

I learned that playing that cowardly lion in high school, but it's such a character.

That was your take on the cowardly lion.

Oh, well, I would slip into it.

When he would be

so, yeah, yeah, it was like my actual cowardly lion voice was, oh, Dorothy!

Really good.

Oh, no!

Rolly, a dandy!

I have a snaggle plus exit stage leg.

You forget that he was kind of

single.

I

were king

of the forest.

But the thing is, it's not an attractive.

It doesn't, it doesn't, it's the cat, it's

linked to what I, the rules I play these, right?

But I think you bring it, I think you are bringing a very, shall I say, like, full spectrum of gender to Mary.

I think that's your unique take on Mary.

It's like, you're going like screaming like I'm fucking madman!

Like that is, which like, hold it didn't necessarily do.

Okay.

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When I saw you do Do Mary a couple weeks ago, I was like, Jinx is one of our preeminent screamers.

I think you have to, you're screaming in such a considered way.

And I imagine there's some vocal like exercise or health that helps to get.

Well, I've been joking.

This is my easy answer because if I try to give the real answer, then it's like a 10-minute conversation because I go on tangents.

Anyway,

the quick, fun answer I say is, well, I worked as a drag queen for over 20 years and I still do.

So I've worked in every shitty venue and had to find a way to be heard in every crappy situation.

And so I've learned a lot of different tricks.

The true thing is every role I've played, because I always like to start with like,

I don't like a character having my voice

I want to find even if it sounds like my voice I want to find the like the ways it's different

what's Mary's voice um just a little more

uh sorry I have to like yeah I'm gonna put you on the spot I can't I can't drop into her no right right right but just qualitatively like what do you think it is I think Mary's one of the closer to my actual voice over the years I have picked up from every character

different techniques.

Like, I know I can pitch my voice that low because I played the cowardly lion once and I found that trick then and I never lost it.

And so all of my screaming is very particularly placed and pitched so that if I growl here,

then I know I have to kind of like whisper yell here until I can get another drink of water, cough, and clear my throat, and whatever I need to do to then growl again.

So I plot a course, and that's what I do with rehearsal: I get very technical about, okay.

My dresser has to be here backstage with a bottle of essential.

I do with my own.

I'm sorry.

I don't rely on people to just have my brand on.

So you're carrying.

I'm carrying.

You're carrying.

But what was the thing?

Oh, Mary.

Well, she's like more white and she goes a lot more nasal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's moments where she just, you know, like she just is all, she's very erratic.

It's just with Mary,

I've mentioned it a few times, but I like to clear my head of what's going on in my life

as best I can.

Everyone who works with me knows like two hours before showtime, please don't hit me up with something crucial that's going to throw me off course because that is like when I'm listening to my playlist and I'm doing my makeup and I'm checking in with the cast and I'm getting into the mindset.

And then

this is the first time I've ever been cognizant of the fact that I go on stage with a clear head and then let my ADHD be Mary's ADHD.

And I realized in retrospect, I was totally doing that with Ruth too.

But with Ruth, I was calling it her hearing problem.

With Audrey, I was calling it her like nervousness around men.

So I always have found a way to disguise it

so that like

if I'm fully locked in and present with everyone on stage, then my ADHD is seeing every little thing.

And when people say I'm good at improv, it's because I keep my peripheral open as much as possible.

And

probably that came from having to walk down to the street as a queer person.

100%.

And having, I think about that a lot too now with my noise cancellation headphones in.

I stopped you in the street once because you had those headphones in and I had, you had to like real, I had to really get in your eye line.

And it was amazing.

Because I'm laser focused in Times Square.

That's the way you have to be.

We stomp.

We're stompers to our music on the street.

Yeah.

I guess.

That's the only way to get through it.

You have to make a game of it.

You have to get like Mario Kart.

Yeah, 100%.

I do think that those games did help walking the streets of New York.

It's like, I see where I'm going.

Like, I, yeah, there's something

you're in a tunnel.

The thing I feel is,

so

before

being able to call it ADHD

or whatever special acute thing is going on up here, ADHD is like

pretty much what it looks like, right?

Whatever's going on up here, when I thought my brain was broken,

I wanted to suppress all of it because I just didn't want people thinking, what a freak, you know?

Right.

As soon as I started working with a psychiatrist and a therapist, and they helped me identify what I'm dealing with here.

And I'm on, like I said, I'm on medication that helps me with all my symptoms.

And so I just want to say publicly, when I'm hitting my vape, it's not because I don't take my work seriously.

It's because the vape help, it fills in the cracks, like I said.

If I have 10 thoughts going on,

it goes down to five.

I think that's a good idea.

I've tried to explain this on Z-Way, but you know, like,

that's another tangent-heavy tangent zone.

There should be warnings.

But yeah, no, I mean, that's that's very interesting that that's

a truth.

Because I feel like there are roles that are complementary to that kind of

thought like that kind of like attention to things that you have with your ADHD as you're on stage and as you're plugged into

people um I think Mary is one of those roles right where absolutely because you could look at her and think she's a sociopath and that's one way to play her and that's I mean, that's what I thought the first time I saw it.

But now that I've worked with her and had to empathize with her and had to get inside trying to decode Cole's very, very

like perfectly written show, there's a reason why it works so well with so many different casts.

Like the writing is just incredible.

And so there's a lot

of material there to pick apart and figure out why she does what she does.

And so I was like, well, sociopath's one way to go, but I always like to go, everything's genuine, because that raises the stakes.

Like, if the character isn't lying and this whole time, they secretly have a secret that negates everything they're doing on stage or whatever.

I don't know, whatever the internal monologue.

I'm like, no, I want to make sure I'm committing to the truth of what's going on with this character.

And Scott Ellis was talking a lot about that in Pirates.

It's like, it's a farce, but for the characters, the stakes are life and death.

And that's what makes it funny is committing to that truth for them.

So, this was just kind of affirming something I was already kind of like figuring out for myself.

And so,

anyway, that was a tangent, but I was like, sociopath means she's doing all of this just because she doesn't care.

Right.

But, ADHD can mean

she says it very loudly.

I'm so bored.

And I know that feeling.

And Cole and I are both people who used to drink and don't anymore.

Right.

So I'm like, okay, things are lining up.

Things are lining up.

I'm like, she's bored.

Everything that happens gives her a new idea.

She used to use alcohol to numb it down.

Everyone's like,

and then that pulls another thread.

I'm like, okay, that's why she wants the alcohol so bad.

It's not necessarily that,

you know, it's like, don't you understand?

It's the thing that you all want me to behave normal.

And she believes that's the thing that's going to help her behave normal.

I've fucking been there.

Yeah.

But then the whole idea of like alcohol helping you feel normal is the tipping point is like,

why fuck with that?

Right.

Because it's so easy to overdo it and then you can't backpedal.

Well, I want to talk about playing drunk because like it's this thing that like seems a little bit trivial.

It seems like all actors can do it.

All comedians can do it.

They can't.

It's hard.

It's very hard.

And I feel like there's, you know, a feature in this show where you're talking about like, there's a moment, a couple moments in the show where Mary is like drunk.

Like one particular moment.

But

I feel like, and I haven't even really gotten to talk to Cole about this, but I feel like they wrote the show as a way to like make sense of their addiction.

in a in a way.

And I feel- I have to imagine.

I mean,

Mary is, Mary is this erratic character that, like I said, the first time I saw it, I thought she was a sociopath.

And then I spent some time with the material.

And I'm sure if I had seen it a second time, I would have like unlocked it fast.

You saw it just once before?

With Cole before getting a role, and then I stuck in a few more times.

Anyway,

the point being that

I just felt like she's not a sociopath.

She's dealing with real things for her.

And then I know that Cole said they wrote the role to share parts of themselves that they had previously never thought of putting on stage, right?

Knowing that,

and I've been saying this a lot because people keep saying to me, which is the hugest compliment, because like I said, this is like a perfect play.

It's incredibly written.

It's incredibly structured.

If you do the text analysis, this is like a tight,

well-constructed play.

You can tell that people who really cared about it put a lot of work into it.

Yeah.

It's got one of the best monologues, too.

Like the Great Day monologue is like, I think, one of the greats.

I think I had a different point, but

it's like, it's great material to work with.

So

it's easy to find all all of this stuff.

And I keep saying, oh, Cole and I have lived parallel lives, right?

I've been saying this a lot.

Cole,

not necessarily a drag queen,

but has played many drag roles or roles where Cole was, you know, gender bending.

If if we're still even calling it that these days, I'm like, I'm thinking like it was just Cole being Cole, right?

Like, you know, Cole.

It's like Bernadette Peters, Cole.

Yeah.

I'm like, I couldn't call that drag because it was just one wig and some lipstick.

It wasn't drag.

It was like channeling.

Yeah.

And

so

I've thought this for a while.

We met 13 years ago, Cole and I,

colonoscopy, Cole and I

in Australia.

That was the first time we met, but I had been a...

lifelong fan.

And so me and Cole and Jeffrey run into each other because we're all on comedy tours in Australia.

And I started, I was like, you're on a comedy tour in Australia.

I'm on a comedy, like, oh my gosh, I started to feel like these

people that inspired me

to be so queer in my work because they were making it work for themselves.

Am I like kind of catching up with them?

You know, it was this moment of like, are we all kind of doing the same thing?

You all know each other.

Right.

Yeah.

You know the feeling.

And then it's like, and then as it became more normal to know them, it was just kind of like, oh, we do the same thing in different ways.

And thinking of that, it's like the hugest compliment when people say, it feels like this role was written for you.

And I'm like, it wasn't.

It was written for Cole.

It just happens to.

be so well written and so true to life that anyone who has lived a similar life or can easily like transpose what Mary's going through onto their life like I was easily able to do yeah because we live these parallel lives it's like no it wasn't written for me but you can see why people say it right yeah yeah absolutely I mean

clearly it's speaking to both of your lives in this fascinating way and I also was thinking about the great day monologue as like actually an anxious thought you know what I mean that that whole monologue is actually one big ADHD tunnel that you can get through about like it's literally her racing racing towards something before it's even had the chance to be because she's so pop and it panics her.

And like, what I love about that moment is like the, the opportunity it gives the audience to realize they care.

Like, it's, it's, because you may not have actually even realized that you were lost in the laugh.

You know, I kept saying, I thought she was a sociopath.

That's probably the point in the show where I go, she's not a sociopath.

Her circumstances are dire.

Yeah.

And then I think about, about, you know, now that I've spent so much time with the material, her circumstances are life and death.

And it's in no uncertain terms.

It's not like interpreting it.

Her circumstances are life and death.

Yeah.

And

I just relate to Mary

so much,

but I know so many people do.

And again, that's.

That's a credit to the writing, a credit to the direction.

But

I was going to, I almost didn't want to share this because I'm like, am I really going to give away this secret to my performance?

Give it.

While I'm still in the run, but you only have like a week left.

Oh, okay.

The great day monologue for those in the know.

For me, my great day

is literally playing Mary on Broadway.

Oh, that's

that easy.

And I was like, I bet Cole was thinking that too when they wrote this.

And I'm like, Cole didn't know this was going to be on Broadway when they wrote this.

They just wrote something so true to what it feels like.

When you were born to do this

and you have known it your whole,

like I'm talking whole life.

Like as long as I've known that I was trans and a redhead, I've also known I was an actor, a performer, a singer at all.

I mean, if you have

You have six great days and one of them is a great matinee day.

Two of them are sometimes?

Yeah.

Oh, like tattoo days.

If your great day is playing Mary, then you have like so many great days.

I call it Double Soup Tuesday at the Orphanarium.

If you watch Futurama, you get it.

You make me feel like Double Soup Tuesday at the Orphanarium.

That would be

Double Soup Tuesday.

Every day is Double Soup Tuesday.

I have Soup Tuesday, actually.

Oh, my God.

When I play Mary, every day is Double Soup Tuesday.

I love that.

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You're the first person in Lost Culture Resource history that we have asked this question twice of.

Jink Swansoon, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

The film Death Because

Did I say this the last time?

No, I don't think you did.

Thank gods.

Because that's the dramaturgy I did.

Okay.

I can literally,

I've been thinking about why it made me.

What is striking right now?

Well, one

huge factor is that because

I'm realizing this was a very cool rule of my mother's.

I was allowed to watch basically anything without gratuitous sex or like raunchy nudity

as long as I watched it with her so I could ask questions and she could put it into context.

Very smart.

Very smart and cool because her and I, our thing together was to watch horror movies together because we love horror movies.

Anyway, but so Death Becomes Her was called like a horror comedy, right?

A dark comedy.

You watch it now and it's like, that's not that dark.

No.

I saw Dick's the musical you sick and that's darker.

God was a faggot.

Dark child.

So anyway, my mom rented Death Becomes Her and I realized a huge factor was because of where my birthday lies.

Instead of starting at age four in kindergarten and turning five two weeks later, they decided to keep me at home another year because my mom had just just been in this horrible car accident.

The car exploded on us while we were in the car,

and all the steam burnt up my mom's legs.

So she decided for us to stay home together for a year.

We were living with my grandmother, and that meant we spent a lot of time watching movies together.

And she'd make semi-regular trips to the movie store,

the movie rental place, the blockbuster, if you like.

For the VHS.

And

And I'd request Death Becomes Her every time.

And then I'd just watch it on a loop.

So when I tell you, and I watched it again last night in preparation for today,

I have never tested it.

So I don't want to make this hyperbolic statement that I can't back up, but I'm fairly certain I could say every line.

Wow.

I believe you.

I could do it with the movie, definitely, but I'm fairly certain I could just do it from memory.

Could you do?

But I don't want to be certain about that because there's all those interstitial scenes that don't include include meryl or goldie so

or isabella you know what i mean but i'm saying even though you should while the musical is concurrently on broadway you should stage a one-person jinx monsoon does the movie word for word of death becomes her listen if i had capacity for anything else

at this point i mean that sounds like a great plan for next year and next year is no this christmas

this christmas we want to see it we want to see it but you'll love it you got the jenkins Jenkins and Dayla holiday show this year.

Just open up for yourselves.

While I

say every line, Dayla lip-syncs it.

She tightened every character.

It's a super simple energy.

She becomes her.

I say every line live from memory, and she lip-syncs live to me, speaking live.

To a loving line.

Simultaneous vote.

Not tracks from the movie.

Not any like audio.

But all the underscoring, which is available on Spotify because it's on many of my playlists.

Oh, I do love that.

It's funny, you think you're going to the Jinx and Dela uh Death Becomes Her to see one of you play Goldie and one of you play Marilyn.

The gag is that it's just you speaking and her lip syncing.

No, so we both are the entire movie

exactly.

Um, in this way, you both get to live out both.

Perfect.

And speaking of the musical,

I can't stop listening to the music.

He just recently saw it too.

I gotta say, I

told this directly to Megan.

Sorry, Megan and Hilton.

Yeah, of course.

You know, Jen and Megan and Michelle, they were also wonderful.

The girls.

All the girls.

Destiny's Child.

My

kids.

Meg, Destiny's Child.

Meg Tilti from Destiny's Child.

Jennifer Simard.

Imagine the Beyoncés who were over with them popping out.

Yes.

Oh, my gosh.

They were amazing.

They were tear.

I saw the show.

I was thoroughly entertained from

the same night to that with Jen.

Right.

Yes, yes, yes.

And Gina Gershon.

I'm so glad I'm in good company.

Yeah.

And Jenain dropped so fervently.

Okay, so you went to go see the show.

I said to Megan,

didn't get a chance to say it to Jen, but Jen and I have a special relationship.

I'll talk about that next.

But I said to Megan,

you and Jen and

really Michelle, all three of them, like delivering incredible drag performances.

Oh, yeah.

You know, like, and it's just really inspiring to see the doors I have opened.

Honestly.

For them to be creative

on Broadway.

They created the type.

They were able to do drag on Broadway.

They were.

Paul Tasman was because I played Rama Moore.

Yes, he did those two

months because three years.

He took those months off.

I told you by the time we

weren't with us.

I'm teasing you, of course, but I thought of that joke while I was brushing my teeth.

So I

had to get it out of the way.

That was fresh for you.

And if I didn't do it,

I would have been so pissed and I would have been anxiety texting you afterward.

Jen Simard and I presented together at the Drama Desk Awards.

Different from the Drama League Awards.

Oh, yeah, there's a Drama League Award.

That's where I got them in the right.

Yeah, I was Drama League.

Nick Barrish was Drama Desk.

So anyway, I'm presenting with Jen.

We're both very feminine redheads.

I made the joke while we're presenting because she was wearing a low-cut dress.

Amazing boobs.

Yeah.

Sorry.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, like,

that's the thing is, like, if you're going to wear a dress like that, it's probably because

you

know you have incredible tits.

Flauntable assets

if you've got it flaunted right

so you're presenting we're standing next to each other kind of looking a little like each other except some key differences right and so I said I feel like we're standing at opposite ends of a feminine spectrum

and she said but both redheads and i was like yeah yeah

and then so now every time i see her she does this thing that i absolutely adore and i hope saying it publicly doesn't mean she stops doing it because I hate when that happens, you know?

When I tell someone I like something they do, and then the next day they stop doing it because they feel insecure.

This thing I want to never stop.

I was actually giving them their flowers on.

Anyway, she just goes, That's my friend, Jinx.

That's my friend.

That's my friend.

And then she comes over to me, and we take a picture, and she goes, It's my friend.

And I think it's very cute.

I just fucking love it.

They were all so incredible.

I've been singing along to the soundtrack.

And Chris Sieber.

Oh, he's so good at it.

The whole cast.

Incredible.

So

amazing direction.

The character of

Stefan.

Oh.

And the actor's name is escaping me right now because I haven't been on Instagram in weeks, so I haven't seen his name recently.

So good.

Like, what a great way

to flesh out a throwaway character from the movie.

You know what I mean?

100%.

I mean, you love Death Becomes Her so much that, because, and I know this ties back to what you were saying in the beginning, like, you know, you were making things when there weren't opportunities given.

I mean, like, fresh off the drag race event in season five, you, you do this documentary called Drag Becomes Her.

And, like, I think that, I think there, there is this, like, spiritual like importance to this film that you have in you.

Well, yeah.

And like, beyond like the performances and the looks and the I feel like I learned every okay.

So part of my dramaturgy of this, I'm like

trying to make it all make sense of why it made me.

So one big thing I do with my characters these days is I

you know, I start with finding their voice, but I also start with finding their relationship to power

because I see

how people with immense power behave.

And it was something we talked about in acting acting school.

And the best advice about playing drunk, I got in acting school.

I went to Cornish College of the Arts in Seattle, Washington.

Howl Ryder said to me, the mistake young actors make about playing drunk is going like, oh, I'm drunk, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

A drunk person tries to hide the front

drunk.

Yeah, they're trying to focus.

You know, you know what I mean?

Um,

anyway, oh, god, relationship to power, power, relationship to power.

Uh, people who have a lot of power can either be benevolent or malevolent, you know, they can either abuse it or they can be generous with it, and that's a spectrum, right?

And then

I've spent a lot of time doing uh pieces set in specific time periods where women had limited agency.

And I've been thinking about that a lot as a trans woman in this time period and how there is something spiritual right now for me.

I feel it very deeply as a witch that

helping tells the disenfranchisement story, helping talk about these women who probably have bad reputations, yes.

Or I don't know that the real Mary Todd,

she has a freckled reputation, let's say.

But, you know, I'm like, some of these women that seem so extreme,

I'm thinking Judy Garland, right?

Like, you know, we know how and why she passed away at a very early age.

And then I try to, since I've spent so much time with her, I try to think of like,

you know,

what she was dealing with, the context of her life, being completely disenfranchised and having almost no agency in your life.

And then you are a household name that has to like

convince people to hire you because you promise you'll be on your best behavior, you know, like that duality in a person to know you have that inside, but you also have this inside.

Yeah, and for everyone to know you have it too, and that gives them even more power because they know that you are the one that they're controlling.

Exactly.

And so, I was thinking today about Madeline Ashton

and

Helen Sharp and their relationship to power.

And they both believe that their power is derived from their sex appeal.

Because there's a man in the mix.

Because there's a man in the mix.

Right.

Like Helen has found her dream man.

And she believes, you know, she says, I need to see you could pass the Madeline Ashton test.

Like, that's the final test before we get married.

Because if you meet her after we get married and you can't pass the test, it will break me.

I just know it will because it almost has every other time it's happened.

Right.

So when Madeline is able to steal him away, she's like, of course, because she's sexier than I am.

And then she gives up on her life.

And then

she finds a way.

to sex appeal, which is going to give her the power to get back at someone like Madeline Ashton, who even though was a personal friend, has a lot of protection around her, right?

She calculates this whole freaking plan.

Madeline Ashton is dealing with the fact that as a woman in Hollywood, her youth and her beauty are her power.

That's her power.

So,

you know, it's also sex appeal, but it's like Helen's need for the potion is completely different from Madeline's, but they are both because of their extreme circumstances.

And those extreme circumstances, like you've already mentioned, were because a man was in the mix and because they're women at that time.

So I just lined it up with my own life.

And that's what gives it the spiritual meaning.

I'm like,

as long as I'm helping, you know, tell those stories authentically.

and helping you care for the character that at first glance seems that that's a crazy person, right?

But then when you really listen to her and really empathize with her,

and if you can get your audience to do that, then they realize this is just a woman under extreme circumstances.

And then hopefully, hopefully, that sinks in

whoever they are, whether they needed to hear it or whether they already knew it.

It's either a beautiful affirmation

or it's a lesson that I swear to God, I hope they got, you know.

Well, it's all about like,

and this is something you probably experienced in your own life, where it's like,

what is my locus of control?

Like, do I make things happen or do things happen to me?

And Death Becomes her is about two women who like make things happen because things have happened to them.

Does that make sense?

I know we're a little stone, but it's like that's no, I'm in, I have never been more lucid.

No, it's like with Death Becomes Her,

I thought about this today.

When I'm telling you, I prepared.

This is what I mean.

Death Becomes Her, it's like

drag queens keep things alive that are important to us and queer people do too, you know, but like drag queens are the ones that like keep it present in the queer culture.

We are the ones who every year deliver those costumes that make you remember those characters, or we do the drag parody version of it or we do drag numbers inspired by when Madeline Ashton falls down the stairs which I saw at a nightclub that had a long

you could either wait they could either hit the music when you made your way to the stage like you could quietly discreetly make your way to the stage and then hop up and they hit the music or because they had a follow spot you could start at the top of the staircase it's like if you actually shouldn't fell down the stairs while that music was luckily i never did because I always started at the top of the staircase.

I'd be like, the dress is Chanel, the shoes, why are you?

Like walking down the stairs.

It was like, it's a, I see me, you know, like it was a chance to do that, right?

Yes.

And so I, I think it was there.

I think I saw, I hope it was there.

And I didn't tell that whole thing for no reason, but I hope the drag queen hears the story, whoever or wherever she was.

She did a number

where it was like

started with her at the top of the stairs doing like i see me or maybe she didn't do that number whatever she's doing a number at the top of the stairs in like the blue costume and then fakes falling down the stairs there's like sound covering it and stuff the follow spot is like looking for her at the bottom of the stairs She rips off the blue costume and now she's got the tits on back.

You see that the tits are on her back and she's got the costume on backward

and that the neck's all twisted.

And then I don't remember what the number was, but she performed a number.

But it doesn't matter what the number was because as long as it was the perfect number, it's like, how fucking brilliant is that?

So we keep these things alive for each other.

And now that we are having this moment where we are culture makers, you know, we are culture aficionados.

I mean,

I mean, your award show.

I was seeing the

pictures from it.

And I was having.

What did you think of the pictures?

I just had pictures.

No, I was having probably the worst FOMO of my life.

Not because I wanted to be nominated, but because I was like, look, first of all, look at all my friends.

And then second of all, look at all those like fucking Muckety Mucks.

Mucks.

It's just like the Drama League Award luncheon.

It's like, can you believe?

Or me a Farrell was gold bloom.

Can you believe that you are,

again,

that you get to be in a room where you look at someone,

whoever, and then you look over and you see

one of your friends.

And the best parts of watching it, I think, because for the cuts to the audience,

the cuts to the audience were the best because it was like, oh my God, there's our friend Bianca.

And then there's, you know, Sarah Michelle Geller.

And it was just, it was a real treat for

just us and also our friends, like as those circles get bigger, as, you know, so many people were involved in it.

And I was like, wow, this is like a very personal experience that we're having watching this because it's people that we love.

intimately and there's people that we love like externally all hitting each other and that was experience yeah like i said life is surreal but i don't want to waste too much time commenting on it.

I want to just really fucking enjoy it.

It's like, you know, when you take a party drug, you know you have so many hours on that drug.

If you spend the whole time going, am I acting weird?

Am I acting weird?

Am I acting weird?

That's what I'm trying to say about the whole surreal thing.

Like if every time you saw me, you were like, hey, Jinx,

how are you?

And I was like, oh, life is, oh, oh my gosh.

I can't believe how many famous people I meet every day.

If that's how, that's not what I want to be.

I want to be plugged into it.

And then if it comes up naturally in a story, I'll fucking drop the name, of course.

But I don't want to start the conversation there.

I want a conversation to happen naturally because I'm looking the person in the eyes and actually having the conversation.

You don't want to be perpetually reflective because then you're not actually experiencing anything new.

And that's it.

Sometimes I just look down in my glass and I say, I love this.

I'm in the present.

I love the shape is that your mind can see exercise people

is that your mind through it's my story

is that technically my it's like yeah it's like you have a cup again

this could hold so much the possibility of this cup

I sometimes want to go back not back I never went but I think it would be interesting to go for like two or three weeks to like an acting school and like get on the ground and eat the lemon.

I think they have that.

I probably could do it, huh?

I think we both should.

I could use the glasses.

Well, it would just be like, because there were all those tales they would tell back in MYU of people that were in theater, theater school.

And they'd be rolling on the ground.

I saw that character you did on YouTube in the UCB.

What was your worst

villain?

Batman villain.

Batman villain.

You could have just been

the worst actor's actor.

It was amazing.

I was

bringing you a print actor.

Why does no one ever bring up your batman villain character from the ucb archive on youtube well that you know what it's just i saw it when it was fresh

that's nature i when it was going on that was such a part of like

we had a different iteration of our lives and that was what i was doing i was doing character work all the time it's just from a phase of my life that was never this so no one ever really knows or engaged with that and it's funny it's like relevant i think to like the the conversation is it's like when someone knows you as something a lot or doesn't know you as one thing, that's like a, that's something you have to break through.

And then also like, you know, you

and you two and I think of Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson.

I mentioned I love that movie.

Did I mention I love that movie?

You did.

You said it was dark.

You said it was dark.

Oh, I was, I was being snipy for comedy, but it's actually,

I'll tell you the same thing I told the boys.

I love that.

No.

You've

no.

I'll tell you the same thing.

We went to dinner sometime after I had watched the movie a couple times.

And I said,

I need to tell you, I love the film.

However, I had to come to that decision

only because

my anxiety around the idea of the whole slippery slope argument.

Oh, oh.

And then I really thought about it.

And I really thought about it.

And I was like, that's their fear, not mine.

I know that that's not real.

How come straight men can make the most

disgusting, vile, horrible jokes?

But if it's, you know, normalized, then we just go,

men being men or boys being boys.

And I thought they weren't making movies like that anymore.

And I'm like, oh, no, I just stopped seeing them.

The beautiful thing I love is the movie is satirical and it's like showing you:

do you see how ridiculous you're being?

That's like, to me, it's like,

this is the most ridiculous thing you can imagine.

Let's show them.

Let's show them what that actually looks like.

There's no slippery slope.

We're off the mountain.

It's like we're calling, we're saying God is a faggot.

It's like, it's

a great crazy thing.

We're saying the most, the crazy sound.

And it's a wonderful song.

And it's a great song.

And you want to sing it afterwards.

And I started saying to myself, it's like, why do Trey Parker and Matt Stone get to make their shitty commentary?

And no matter what they say, it's like, it's satire, it's satire.

And so they can be as transphobic as they want.

It's satire, it's satire.

Don't get offended.

It's satire.

And I was like, well, thank.

the gods that we are at this point now that queer people are one there's not the scarcity two we don't have to be a singular archetype of character.

We can, I described it as like when I played Doctor Who villain, it's like, I'm so glad I'm here in this era when queer people are back to being villains.

Because it was when we realized that queer people being villains was a mockery, you know, of our characteristics and that stopped being a thing.

Well, now we're back to queer people being actors in mainstream things.

That's not so crazy, so we can be villains again anyway and then you and the boys have a

mutual connection in UCB and it reminds me that like

drag race is this sisterhood where we don't even have to be on the same season yeah but those of us like I said the familiar faces

like I mean think I could list them but like There's so many drag queens doing things that I think

20 years ago when I started drag,

I thought

that's surely not possible.

When I started in college and gave up drag briefly, seasonally,

and told myself I had to give up drag to be a serious actor, that was a lie I told myself, by the way.

Just protective or something.

Yeah, yeah.

I was just scared that if I got labeled as a drag queen, that was an end of the versatility of my acting.

Then I eventually made the decision, you know, like, yeah, they warn you about being pigeonholed and they warn you, like, do you just want to be a character actor?

Do you want to have the ability to do everything?

And I'm like, well, I know I have the ability to do everything, but I also know I'm one hell of a character actor.

So if I put that foot forward, at least I'm guaranteeing work.

And I worked a lot.

straight out of college.

And I did a lot of classical work that was stuff that like

that's a drag queen playing Mistress Quickly in Henry V.

And half the people didn't know it was a drag queen, you know?

So I've always been doing what I do.

It's just like

I found my way in.

And drag and drag race has allotted so many of us a way into doing something we were damn sure we could do.

Yeah.

Like Bob the drag queen says it like why she auditioned.

She said she was, she's a stand-up comedian and a brilliant actor

and

lots of things right Bob is an incredible human whom I love and

lots of things has lots of partners for all the things

but the many shades of Bob the Dragon

no it's just like

again with a tangent

to get those up she said yeah yeah I saw Drag Race and I said, I could do that.

But she also knew she could do a lot of other things.

Yeah, of course.

And Rue says it all the time.

Like, if God,

and I'd say if, you know, the goddesses or if the universe or if whatever opens a fucking pathway,

like take it.

And if you know you have other things in you, you'll find a way to redirect yourself back there, even if it's just a hobby.

You know, there's some people who have hobbies that have nothing to do with their work and they love that my work is my lifestyle so it's hard to I mean video games are my that I guess video games and oh you know what and that's why I won't do like I did like I'll do like a limited like I'm gonna stream a video game for a charity or for whatever you know like

but you're not gonna commodify it otherwise because exactly because that's mine and it has nothing to do with drag other than the fact that it inspires some of my looks.

That fills the well.

Yeah, 100%.

Well, I hope you've taken notes at home.

We will move into, I don't think so, honey, here now.

Is this how long the episode was supposed to be, or did I go over?

No, no, no.

We're going to end at 23.

Because I'm so verbose and I always over talk.

But I just actually

kept identifying when it was a tangent because we started

zone.

Because of the men's.

I don't need to rehash.

You can scroll back to the video

because this is a TV show.

And you could just, you know, listen to the episode once more, as I'm sure lots of you people do.

Because I listen to it.

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i'm gonna do my i don't think so honey about something new in my life which is frustrating uh this is our 60 second segment we take to rant and rave rail wreck things in culture that need to be all those things so here we go i you have something i have some this is matt rogers i don't think so any of his time starts now i don't think so honey that you can develop new allergies if i my entire life haven't had a thing i don't want the thing at 35 suddenly what a random age for you to attack me goddess or mother mother nature whoever what i'm talking about is the fact that I sometimes have to put a little makeup on for our jobs.

And I think that I, around my eyes, you can see I've developed some sort of contact, dermatitis, rosacea, and more around my eyes.

It's suddenly I have a skin allergy.

I have like, I gotta go hypo, I guess.

They're saying words to me like hypoallergenic.

And I have always loved going places and them saying, do you have any allergies?

And saying, no.

Suddenly, you're going to throw this barricade in front of of me and i'm gonna have to leap over it like the hurdler would and i don't want to hurdle i want to sit on the side and enjoy my life of not this rash i don't think so honey and i'm just gonna have more time huh itchy itchy boo boo i don't think so honey itchy itchy boo boo that's one minute i all of a sudden like it'll it'll be the day after two days after my face will break out suddenly i have like sensitive skin why no because our immune systems are oh i hate the beginning hate that transition.

What?

What do you mean?

Our immune systems, they do get worse, don't they?

It's out of our hands.

I don't know why we haven't evolved out of

makeup.

Oh, you're probably right.

I'm saying, but I don't know.

Do we need to psychologically and emotionally and spiritually evolve out of makeup?

Yeah.

But mostly.

physiologically like evolve out of makeup because otherwise because it's just the allergy that's you're right you're right exactly i okay we and either would work we could we could physical physiologically uh age out but we need we we do like to have it for play.

But yeah, no, for some reason, like it's just, it's been happening.

And I guess I got to see my derm.

I love the derm.

The answer

to why late in life.

At first, I was had to respect that it was your time because I wanted to be like,

tell me all now.

Like,

no, just my own thoughts.

Not like I have any real information.

Just I think about this.

But why do you think they happen?

Well, because there's so many things

being put in our stuff

that we have no fucking idea.

I mean, you know, we're having the microplastics conversation.

I don't even want to pull up this thread because then people weaponize that idea, which is true, but then skew it.

To be something else.

To be something else.

To be something else.

And I don't even need to list

examples.

I know that I have a PS5 controller in my brain.

That's the amount of microplastics that I eat.

You think that it's...

Yeah,

they say that the amount of microplastics in all of our

brains is like, yeah, it's like it's solid matter if they really want to put it together.

It's cuckoo crazy.

I have at least quadrupled that based on the microwave meals that I eat for pleasure

when I

am stoned.

And I'm going to go home.

and eat my micolinas.

Yeah.

Do you ever have a little microwave lasagna?

All the time.

My stoufers.

and I've been cutting back ever since the microplastics conversation has moved in this room.

No, I'm glad we're talking about this.

Come out of the cloud.

I have another food thing, and that's my I don't think so honey.

This is Bo and Yang's.

I don't think so any.

His time starts now.

I don't think so.

Honey, eggs.

What the fuck?

What are you?

Someone explained to me the egg of it all.

It's a bunch of plasma and a yolk, and there's a film around that where if you crack the egg, the membrane of the egg is the thing that makes it hard so that if you have shards of egg egg in your container in which you're trying to whisk the egg, it is virtually impossible to take out.

To extract a shard of eggshell, you need, guess what?

Another piece of eggshell to scoop it out.

But then that runs the risk of more eggshell going into the fucking thing that you go, no, I guess I'll try my luck with a spoon, a chopstick.

But then, no, it is always, it is never worth it.

And this morning, I've been practicing my one-hand egg crack because guess what?

I turn myself on.

That's right.

I get off to myself when I crack an egg with one hand.

And then I looked like a damn fool eating a shard-filled omelette while I could have been having something actually normal.

Don't eat meat.

Only eat.

Don't go animal-based.

Only plant-based.

That's what is it?

I didn't know you.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

No, no, don't even do that.

No, I could not agree with you.

Sit down.

No, but that doesn't deserve a standing ovation.

Yes, it does because I have spent my whole life

having to explain to people.

The eggs, the shark, the shell?

No, it's just like, first of all, yes, you are correct on all of that.

But the standing ovation was just to find another person

who had that much complaints on

eggs because they are such a popular food.

The way you scoff.

Well, because I had them today.

Right?

Okay, that's what I've dealt with my whole life is everyone likes eggs.

Everyone loves eggs.

And do I like things where eggs are an ingredient?

Of course.

But eggs.

Dealing with them.

Eating them as the thing, I don't like.

It is horrible what they start with.

I'm also dealing with them, but I just don't.

I don't like the flavor.

I don't like the texture.

There's so many ways to prepare them.

I've tried them all.

Don't like them.

Don't like them.

Right.

I don't like eggs.

But then I say that and then people think I'm vegan.

So then I have to go on this whole fucking thing.

And if they don't do that, then I go, I don't like eggs.

And they go, you don't like eggs?

Have you tried them scrambled?

Have you tried them fried?

And then I'm like, oh my God, please not again with the eggs.

So most of the time when people, and then it's like, you don't like eggs?

Are you vegan?

And I'm like, yeah, I'm vegan.

Cause I'm like, this will save time.

And then the breakfast I am delivered is

nothing nothing because they did not have anything.

It's a piece of bread.

It's so shocking

whenever anyone thinks that just like a piece of bread is toast.

Yeah, it's sliced.

A piece of bread is not toast.

It's real culture number six.

A piece of bread is not toast.

The creativity that disappears when you say, I don't want an egg in my thing.

Well, they go, oh, well, I guess we could do.

We don't have any tofu.

It's like, why?

I think it's.

Because of the consistency.

I don't think it's like the egg

itself.

So anyway, I feel like you can like eggs themselves, but your inability to hate them that much at the same time to hold that much.

much capacity for

hatred for eggs.

I have finally found one other person who at least shares some kind of passion about that hatred.

I have a bad comedy idea for you guys.

You

and Jinx should sing Rihanna

hate that I love you.

So,

you know, that one, but like with eggs in the back, this is like a bad comedy idea.

You do it like Littlefield in 2013.

But I'm the hate.

Those were the days.

And I represent the hate, and Bowen represents the love.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I feel like it's just a like 90s throwback.

You guys would ebony and ivory tear at that me and you and Bowen.

A duet with Jenks.

You know,

a duet with Joe.

Bond.

A duet with Joe

with Joey.

Joel.

You go to the bottom of the bottom.

Oh, but I do want to say this about the microplastics and the Michelinas.

I was at Michelina's.

Anyway,

Desalina and Michelin together.

Michelin.

Desalina.

I ate them in college.

Yes.

Delicious.

Delicious.

Listen, though.

You were in Wiccan.

Yeah.

Those are like a dollar a pop.

I'm sure they're like, what, five bucks a pop now?

They were a dollar a pop in college.

Yeah.

The Michelinas.

You're saying you could probably get a deal.

There's something about it.

The point is, you can get something that is exactly like that.

That might cost more, but it will be so much kinder to your body.

And it'll satisfy all the same things.

And I'm not even saying healthy.

I'm not even saying healthy.

You have reached this point in your career that if you want to get a take-home

take-and-bake lasagna,

or if you want to get something that you put in your oven, I know.

You know what?

You probably have the money to get one of those air fryers?

The number.

I mean, there's so many things.

You could really step up your game is all I'm saying.

Unless what you need

is the Michelinas.

In which case, I totally get because I have a can of Dinty Moore beef stew for the very same reason.

I was going to be spinning more.

But I know that there is going to be a day I just once again need to taste Dinty Moore beef stew.

I used to do it on tour, and Michelle Visage would say, starting your day with a little dinty more there on, because it would be 9 a.m.

and I'd be eating beef stew because

in my pantry would freak me out.

Spaghetti yos.

I get them once in a blue moon.

I need spaghetti yoga.

I just squeeze beef ravioli in a cake.

But that's not microwave.

I make them on the stove.

There's still plastic.

But there's

plastic in there.

I'm sure.

It's all processed in the same plant.

My high horse.

You can't avoid it.

It's crazy and it's

my favorite food.

There's some more.

There's some plastic.

I mean, listen, we can't escape.

I'm sorry.

I should have cleared it with you before.

No, no, no, no.

I feel like you're used to that.

I'll tell you what was really good.

This is our reactions.

So,

no, they'll cut to us.

Don't worry.

I just also got very self-conscious that I might have not been talked.

But you know what?

I'm embracing

it.

Thank you.

Okay, both.

You can, don't bleep it.

I want people to know that it's an anxiety I deal with.

Are you ready to do your out of things on honey?

Hold on.

Good.

Yep.

For sure.

For sure that we are clear.

Totally.

Okay.

Are you ready now?

I hope so.

This is Jinx Monsoons.

I don't think so, honey.

Her time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Where has everyone's manners gone?

Where the fuck have all your manners gone?

Where have all your manners gone?

Because I am so serious.

I feel like if I try to empathize and if I try to figure out why no one has any manners anymore, and I think it's the pandemic and we all had to like, you know, socially isolate and

you know, you could, it was like, don't say hi to your friends.

So we took that on, but like manners, like it's not gonna kill you to leave the hold the door open for two seconds.

You know, it's not gonna kill you to not be a cunt to people while you walk down the street.

You know, what happened to like just common decency?

Look up from your phone when you're having a conversation with people, you know.

And while I'm clearing the air, it's like condoms, what's that all about?

I paid for the research.

I donated my money to that cancer research fund.

It's a moot point anyway.

I have diaphragms now.

That's one minute.

Whatever happened to

good breeding and

nice manners.

Is it nice manners?

Is it good breeding?

i totally both

you know you know that i

thought long and hard about everything we discussed today that i knew was on the docket right and you wanted to really go to stick to that i really thought long and hard about that and i'm like is this gonna sound classist is this it's not about class it's literally common decency it's don't slam the door behind you when you see me coming i i don't think it's no small fault to our leaders showing no class or decorum that now people feel like that's that's out.

There's social malaise and therefore everybody is like in their own little space.

And listen, in Times Square, I'm just trying to get through as quickly as possible.

But I'm not being a cunt while I'm doing it.

In fact, because I'm from the Pacific Northwest, I would rather go out into the street and walk around a crowded sidewalk.

Maybe I do it in a huff if I'm late.

I try not to be late because I, anyway.

But I'm so passive-aggressive that I'd rather walk around the issue than say, excuse me, because I'm so scared it's going to come out.

Excuse me.

And in which case, you wouldn't be having the best.

You'd be having good matches.

Excuse me.

Could you give

five children wrangled so that I can get to my rehearsal?

Get your kids wrangling.

I don't want to say I'm a Broadway star, but that's what we're talking about.

They hear you making it.

They can feel it.

They can feel it as you swiftly pass by.

So anyway, I have a personal investment in people like remembering to just be decent to one another

for many, many reasons.

One, because I'm a person and we're all just people.

And like, how the hell are you going to make life hell for everyone else?

Like, that's who you want to be.

You want to add to the problem.

You see a problem and you want to add to it.

You want to press the door close button.

I'm in a building where I have never seen so many people get on an elevator and press the door close button frantically.

Like in front of you as you're about, as you get into their one time.

That sucks.

But mostly it's like I'm in.

I hold the door open for them to then watch them go.

I'm like,

it brings out something random about my brain.

It's breaking my brain because I don't, I used to joke, like, you know, people are like, how'd you get to be so polite or whatever?

And I'm like, I just was raised right.

And I, um, how'd you get to be so polite?

That's such a great question.

How'd you get to be so sweet?

How'd you get to be so sweet?

I asked you very nicely.

Won't you tell me there again?

I could also do why Matt TV is a big part of

that.

I made some of that Matt TV that we have to do with that?

When I had a podcast, it was my goal to have all.

I had Nicole Sullivan, Joe Collins, Stephanie Weir, fuck you, you've had a role.

No, no, I'm saying, like, you need, you need to do it.

I'm going to tell you, I've, oh, yeah, I would love to host a reunion the way Andy Cohen does with housewives.

I just talked about

Matt TV.

Do you know if there were any reason to do like a live

hijinks?

Oh my God, I think you just.

I think you just.

Do I have to pay you now?

No, we can talk about that producer stuff.

On air, we're going to say.

No, absolutely not.

But then we're like really mean and sharpy with our lawyers.

I want to cut out of that tour you do with the Mad TV women.

Yeah, oh, no, no.

With nothing.

Mad women.

Oh, my God.

It writes itself.

Are we getting this?

Donidney wouldn't.

I want to produce it.

I'm going to produce it.

We're all

producing.

You want to be an angel donor.

Of course.

An angel donor out there.

Listen,

Jinx is still in unmarried till the 20 damn eighth.

We went, we had the time of our lives, but of course we did because you're fucking brilliant.

Oh, thank you.

And you both are as well.

We love you dearly.

Thank you.

We end

every single episode with a song.

Did you know what's in my head?

Do you want to have fun?

Fun,

fun.

How's about a few?

Laughs.

Laughs.

I can show you you a fun laugh, good time.

Fun laughs, good time.

Fun laughs, good time.

And then there's a bunch of stuff about what happens when you walk in the joint.

You can find it online.

Bye.

Lost Culture East.

This is the production by Will Farrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos.

Edited and mixed by Doug Boeing.

And our music is by Henry Komersky.

Six friends, one dinner, and then the bill.

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There's my at-home at-home voice and my podcast voice.

My podcast voice is like a leveled-up version of me.

Kind of like the new DiGiorno Wood-Fired style crust pizza.

With a leveled up, crispy, yet perfectly airy crust.

Now that DiGiorno has new wood-fired style crust pizzas, I might start doing the show from home.

DiGiorno is dropping a new crust in four topping varieties: Premium Pepperoni, Supreme Speciale, Italian Meat Trio, and Fort Cheese.

I'll have all four.

You've never had pizza like this at home.

It's restaurant-quality pizza without all the other restaurant stuff.

The new Dijorno Wood-Fired style crust pizza.

It's not delivery.

It's Dijorno.

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Yeah, it's Wi-Fi that's so smart, it makes everything work better together.

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Imagine that.

This is an iHeart podcast.