"Ambition" (w/ Reese Witherspoon)

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Wow, is that culture?

Yes.

Goodness.

Wow.

Las Culturistas.

Cultoristas.

Ting Tong.

Las Culturistas calling.

I don't know that I've been more excited.

And this is the thing.

We're already getting along, I'd say, gangbusters with our guests.

Love.

I can't believe she's here either.

It's like staring at the sun.

I can't, it's hello, sunshine.

I can't look at the guest.

I want to say hello, sunshine is their frontrunner for title of that, but we can't do that.

No, no.

We're going to find it.

Do you remember yesterday when we were talking about iconic line reads of our guest?

Yes, but that's every day.

On most days.

So on the red carpet at the Culture Awards, someone asked us, like, what's an iconic line from cinema history that like jumps out right now?

Who is it?

Was it Mark Malkin that asked that?

No, it was Vulture.

It was Vulture.

And I go, what?

Like, it's hard.

But and yesterday I said to you, this is what pings and pongs in my brain.

First, anytime I open mail.

Anytime I open mail.

This is what.

Are you ready?

This is it.

Bruiser, what's this?

Bruiser, what's this?

Bruiser, what's this?

But anytime I open an envelope, I'm telling you.

The reason I bring it up is because I actually know what it is.

Okay.

This was maybe the culture that made me say culture was for me, which is a big statement on this podcast, that being the central question.

Pleasant, Phil.

Oh.

Our guest's first scene.

She's on the phone talking to her friend, and she's talking about what outfit she's going to wear for a date.

And she's discussing wearing one particular thing.

And she goes, it's not slutty.

And she looks in the mirror and she goes, it's fun.

And I saw myself.

You just channeled.

You just channeled the muse.

I channel constantly.

I'm always channeling our guests constantly.

It's true.

Our favorite show is back.

Our favorite show is back.

Thank the Lord.

We got the screeners.

We watched episode one.

And then Matt Rogers steps away and goes, how many?

How many did they send?

I just asked off air.

I said the whole season.

I've never seen you happier.

I think I did a backflip.

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Gymnastically moved the furniture in the hotel room that we were staying.

That is a thing I do when I get nervous.

I move furniture.

I move furniture.

I was interior designing the

hotel.

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It's giving everything you've wanted it to give.

And I have so many questions for our guests guests about the rip from the headlines nature of it because they can't possibly have guessed some one thing that happened in season three that then happened in life.

But suffice it to say that our guest today is an Oscar-winning actress, an Emmy-winning producer, a bona fide pop culture icon on the list of the iconic 400 twice as herself and as a character.

Yes, which that doesn't really happen.

No.

This is such a great moment in Lost Culture History because our guest is

Rhys Withersmo.

Oh, my God.

We love you.

Blushing.

That was so nice.

I'm so excited to be here.

I'm so happy to be here.

Oh, wait.

No, this is.

So this was the moment where the wheels started turning about this moment happening.

Yes.

Just two Emmys ago or one Emmy ago.

I think that I like beelined for you in an award show.

And I was like, Bowen, when am I on your podcast?

Like, how did you even do it without me?

Yeah.

Exactly.

But

the way you approached me, do you remember what your initial line was?

It was the most Reese thing.

And I immediately texted this one afterwards.

We go in for a hug.

You whisper in my ear, well, hello, Miss Culturista.

I died.

Because that was too much.

That was the moment I knew the podcast had gotten out of time.

That's when we fell in love.

That's when we fell in love.

He did.

I think you FaceTimed me.

You were like, oh, you're not.

The phone is shaking.

I'm like, who is it?

I was like, don't tell me it was Reese.

no like i it was like you had a party and you didn't invite me you're so it was so rude

so happy it only took like 14 publicists later and we're here

two short years two short years later and 1800 emails

that that does it really does feel like they really slow the wheels of progress well

people yeah i know

because you did because the the biggest gag was you were like dm me and i was like i guess you could just dm her you can

Well,

you can, but you can't.

Not everyone.

Not everyone.

Yeah.

Then you were with DJ at that MoMA show at that MoMA event last weekend, and he was so sweet.

My son is the cutest.

I told him I was coming on your podcast.

He goes, mom, come on.

That's going to be so fun.

He goes, tell me what the building looks like and what the studio looks like.

Really?

Is he into buildings and studios?

He's, no, he's into you guys and pop culture.

And he loves the way that you set lysis or tastemakers.

Of course you love that.

Oh my gosh.

that is too

sweet.

Well, just to talk about that, I will say, you know, in

thinking about like this episode with you, I really can go back to one of them, I think, first really formative memories I have of going to the movies with my mom and my sister.

We sat down.

I remember where we sat in the theater.

Like it was like on Patchog, like on Long Island.

Patchog.

And we went to go see Legally Blonde.

And it was one of those things where I'm sure you have this.

Like you see the movie once and you know every line.

Like, it's just one of those things.

Those kind of movies just are sticky.

Yeah.

Sticky.

Yeah.

Did you, you're playing Elle Woods, like you're, you're, you're doing this character, you're on set, you know that everyone there is great.

But are you thinking, like,

what are you thinking doing it?

Like, like, is this?

Okay, well, let me get my time machine because it was 25 years ago.

And that also has to be kind of surreal.

It was so surreal.

Well, I was a new mom.

I had a little baby, my daughter on set.

And I just remember i took comedy really seriously like it was not a joke right i had studied goldie hawn like like my life depended on it for that role and um i studied her in private benjamin yes and then i studied comedy like you would try and cure a rare disease

it was so important to me um i watched s n l religiously.

So for me, creating a character, like I had just done it the year before with maybe two years before with Tracy Flick.

It was really important to me that she had a very particular way she talked, a very particular way she walked.

My early career was a lot about building characters that didn't have a lot of self-awareness.

They just were like a bullet through the world, you know, determined to make their mark and determined to reach that goal.

So that's what it was like.

And we had our, I think, 20th year reunion of Legally Blonde and all the lovely cast members were there.

And we all got on a Zoom from Jennifer Coolidge to Blake Wilson and Selma Blair and they were all like it was like kind of fun

but it's hard to remember because it was like a job at the time I was really serious like I was a very very very serious young person you have to be I mean I mean it all it all it all translates to the final product but like this is why like people come to SNL as you know and like you you expect it to be like riffing and like everyone's just improvising and just the chemistry is off the charts we're there to like turn the page and read the script and like hit our marks.

It's technical.

And also in your brain, aren't you thinking, I got to think of something that no one else is thinking of?

Totally.

So my thing was always, how can I be contrary?

How can I play this how no one else would play this?

Totally.

Because that's what I'm here to be original,

not be basic.

And there were a hundred ways to play Elle Woods that I was like, seen it, done it, not hearing them.

Of course.

So if you thought she was going to be bitchy or spoiled, rotten, no, she had a really soft center.

Yeah, very.

If you thought she was going to be dumb or say the wrong thing, she was going to say it laser sharp and in really crisp words and say it with daggers in her eyes.

So I was always trying to startle people with the switch.

Right.

But it's interesting that you bring up Tracy

in the context of Tracy and Al and that early stuff, like I would say there's a common thread there where it's like underestimation.

People underestimate them.

And like, what is, what is that relationship to ambition?

like are does one breathe the other do you need the other thing for it to happen yeah yeah well i think ambition threads through all my characters because i don't know i just wasn't here to do average and i

i feel like a lot of people can relate to that i i wanted to be It's not like I wanted to be the best, but I wanted to be original.

I wanted to be wholly original in this world.

I wanted to make them laugh harder.

I wanted them to cry.

I wanted them to think they understood the smartest girl in school.

She was actually a little broken inside.

It's beautiful, you know?

I actually modeled Tracy on a girl I went to high school with, and I didn't know a lot about her personal life, but it was really important to me as Alexander Payne and I were building that character.

I was like, she needs to have a moment with her mother where you realize her mom's a single mom and she like curls her hair every day and she's living out her mother's broken dreams.

Right.

And there's one scene, but it, it, it cracks the whole thing for you.

You're like, I can't make fun of this person.

Sure.

You're right.

But you and Alex built that together, like that scene.

Oh.

Yes.

He, yeah, I mean, he's incredible about understanding the day-to-day lives, the satire of living in middle America, but also having big dreams.

But maybe your dreams are just to go to Northwestern.

Right.

You know, or like

run for city council.

Yeah.

It is so fun.

I have read the sequel.

You have.

Yes.

So

because I'm a huge election fan.

Like, in fact, we ran into Matthew Broderick actually at SNL 50.

Yeah.

And we ended up seeing him twice.

And both times I said, I just watched election.

He's like, you told me.

I was like, it's true, I did.

Because I frequently returned to it and I watched it again after I read the novel.

Is that in play right now?

Is there, is that, is that something that's like, where is that on the list in terms of well, yeah, you don't want to say too much, but but there is a follow-up novel and we're thinking about making a movie because it goes in a really interesting direction i think for people that care about that character yeah and it ends dark and it's it's it's it's i'm really interested to see how it

keeps going because

it's also a comment on the fact that when you're someone that's super ambitious one of the things that can happen is you don't meet that ambition and you then

that is a really sad thing and i think one of the toughest smallest thing can derail you oh yes and she gets derailed by something yes and but you can't stop the internal monster

no she couldn't help she can't help herself and so basically One of the things I think is the most heartbreaking about the first film, I'm already talking about it as if it's too, I guess I'm manifesting it first, but in election, which is the sudden, after she's lost, the cut to just how heartbroken and devastated that she is.

And I think that's when you realize how much work you've done.

And it's interesting to look back that she's sort of an antagonist of the movie because she's antagonizing Matthew Broderick.

But when you look at it now and you think back and you look at how heartbroken she was and what she went through going up to that, it feels really ripe for revisiting.

I think so too.

Yeah.

There was a whole

the New York Times, I think it was AO Scott or something about 10 years ago, went back and watched it again and said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Yeah, this is what I'm doing.

This is like a high school girl.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Groomed and manipulated by her science teacher.

Yes.

That's not what I remember that movie being.

And then his peer got mad at her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Matthew Broderick's character, Mr.

McAllister, was actually complicit.

Yeah.

Wait, who was that?

His friend.

Yeah.

Groomed, a teenager.

Yeah, sort of, kind of sort of.

Sort of mad at her and just decided to destroy her.

And then she got a smoothie thrown at her at the end.

That's

goddamn it.

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That first shot of Tracy there shooting up her hand is like iconic situation.

It's lasting.

It's lasting.

That's a good shot.

Do you know what I mean?

No, I don't know what shot you're talking about.

Like when you first see Tracy, when she shoots up her hair, like, oh, and they hand scream on your face being like a little distorted.

Yeah.

It's like it's meant to humiliate this child.

And do you know what the question is?

Who knows the difference between ethics and morals?

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The impact that you had, not the beginning of your career, but after it had been going for five, six years, it felt like you had like these, not even just like successes in pop culture, but also like critical hits.

So it's like, there's Pleasantville, which I think is so many people's favorite movie.

It's one of mine.

And there's obviously Legally Blonde.

There's Cruel Intentions.

So I would imagine that like, as you're going forward in your career, does your team, like at that point, are they just like, let's just keep you busy?

Or are you, when you look back at that point, are you, were you always someone who was like trying to pick and choose what the next move was?

It was always very strategic.

And it was me and my manager, Evelyn O'Neill.

And that was, that was it.

It was just her and I.

And then what was the planning?

Like, what was the initial conversation behind, let's do, let's do this Hello Sunshine thing.

Let's actually

taste the taste.

Okay, that was a different iteration of my life.

So Evelyn and I, that was my early career.

And then I decided to kind of go my own way when I was 34.

And I, the business had shifted a lot.

So I don't want to get into the nitty-gritty, but the DVD business left.

Right.

And so all the development of films about women were kind of the mid-range budget.

And that's where it just went away.

They weren't developing things for women.

So, I thought, okay, if I don't take this moment to start developing for myself and for my friends, who are incredible,

shame on me, first of all, for being so successful and then not doing something about the lack of storytelling for women.

So,

it was a moment where I had to meet the moment, and I was really scared.

Because also, truthfully,

that ambition thing is not always appealing to everybody.

You know, like, of course not.

Well, that's why a lot of I think the characters are people blanch at them at first and then they learn to love them because they learn to understand them.

And,

but you're right.

It is.

Well, and it's like for all our ambitious listeners out there, sometimes you rub people the wrong way.

Yeah.

And people know that.

Every ambitious friend of yours knows it's irritating to feel that like, come on, let's do more.

Let's do this and we can do it.

And let's throw the homecoming all together you know and then let's do the class project i'll take over everything it's an annoying character trait but then what's the way out like

the way out for me and it was learning to not be embarrassed of it

making peace with it and going i know i work harder is just how i'm made up and it's not my fault yeah yeah yeah um and

how can I use that to harness more people and rope them into things that I think will be beneficial for them Instead of just serving my own agenda, which was making my own career, I thought when Hell of Sunshine began, I was like, oh my God, this is my opportunity to widen the net, bring people into a family of storytellers.

And that's when my whole life changed.

Yeah.

I mean, truly, I think that there was like, it did feel like there was this like incredible second phase for you, which started with producing Gone Girl and then being in Wild.

And I've always wanted to ask you about Gone Girl because that was the, was that the first big title that you had produced?

Or?

yeah, that was the first book I ever optioned as

a producer.

Jackpot, that is.

It was crazy.

We read it in galleys.

We read Wild.

I read Wild and Gone Girl in Galleys.

My producing partner was Bruno Papandrea.

And we were both like, these books are amazing.

Yeah.

I had no idea they were going to be within six months, they were number one

sitting next to each other on the New York Times for months and months and months.

And I was like, the books, shit.

I can't mess this up.

No.

I think that was the perfect one-two punch for you, for one to not be a vanity project and for one to be a vehicle for you.

Does that make sense?

Because that is what I think you innovated and established, John.

It's like, I'm going to be a woman actor, actress, whatever,

and I'm going to start my own production company and it will be holistic in that way.

I think it could have gone, it might not have been sticky if we're going to use that word.

Like it just not, it would not have stuck if it had been one thing.

I agree.

And they were both substantive, right?

They were about what we perceive women as, how they subvert that.

Gone girl is the ultimate like mind.

So turning so yummy.

And Fincher just killed it.

And Rosalind Pike is so diabolical.

And Ben Affleck is sort of the.

the rube on the other side of it.

Supporting cast, too.

Yeah.

Carrie Kuhn.

I mean, Carrie.

Yeah, no, don't forget.

And also our friend Casey Wilson.

Like,

that was one of those.

Neil, Padre Harris.

Oh, again, against type, against type.

Playing with a lot of against type stuff.

And I did want to ask you about that particular role, though, because I had read, I think a lot of people that, you know, follow this stuff, that you had been attached to do Gone Girl.

And then after a conversation with David, you guys decided that maybe the audience would have had a gauge on you already.

Or like, what was that conversation?

How did you feel about it at the time?

Well,

yes, I had optioned it to star in it, and I was supposed to star in it.

There'll be a whole chapter of a book one day about Gone Girl because that started my producing career, but it also told me, hey, nobody's happy for you to have this producing career.

Nobody wants you here.

Wow.

And David sat me down.

And this is not on David, but David's like, you're totally wrong for this part.

And I'm not putting you in it.

So that was.

At first, how did that?

And you're probably like, hold on a second.

Well, because I'd had all these conversations with the writer, Gillian Flynn, and she was like, no, I'd really like you to do it.

But he was like, you're wrong.

And that was, first of all, an ego check for me.

I was like, no, you're not right for everything.

Wow.

And he was right.

He was totally right.

But why was he right?

How did he rationalize that to you?

He didn't have to.

He's David Fincher.

He's like, oh, yeah, okay.

He literally says it this.

He's like, you're wrong for this part and I'm not putting you in it.

But I'm asking, like, was he sick?

Like, did you get an inkling of like, oh, because people will project onto me all of their preconceived notions about me as an actor?

I think that is probably for him.

Yes.

I brought an audience with me

that likes me

and wants me to win.

I remember thinking because we've talked about this topic.

So I'm not sinister or diabolical.

Sure, sure.

No, but isn't it?

Isn't that the thing that would have been the service?

Exactly.

Not to go back in history and fight with David Fincher in my own head, because the movie is perfect.

No, and Rosamond is perfect.

She's great.

And I mean, it also started a, start really started a whole other type of career for her, too, which is like a testament to the producing of that movie.

Yeah.

And I think it's important.

Producing also means get out of the way when you're supposed to, you know, get out of the way, do your job to promote, continue to pull people together, continue to build creative groups so that the ultimate result is the best work that it could possibly be.

So that was a lesson to me, but it behind the scenes, a lot of stuff happened that was not cool in terms of like my credits and da da da.

Sure.

Which is so boring.

No, it is.

But it took me till big little lies.

So big little lies was like a year later and nicole and i produced that together till people started taking me seriously as a producer because honestly could not get traction even as a producer even with those hits with those three oscar nominations yeah

it was really hard that's wild it's wild no pun intended but especially because I feel like wild in particular, the whole story, the whole narrative was like, this was a film that she produced alongside Gungirl.

But that performance, that performance is just like,

it is a 360.

And it was so different from what you had done.

I would imagine that felt incredibly vulnerable.

And alongside the statement of, I'm producing this.

Yeah.

Was that the moment, if you look back, that are one of the moments where you felt like this is a watershed thing?

Like that had to be a high anxiety moment.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

So much anxiety.

But doing wild was a reset for my whole life, my whole career, which was great for me.

I had to work physically.

I couldn't talk.

You know, my superpower is talking really fast.

um it was mostly backpack yeah it was backpack

it was all contemplating the earth and yeah it's hard the realism of that movie is kind of the the sort of corollary to like everything you had done up to that point also you let out one of the great screams yeah the foot oh god

i'll never forget the foot

yeah both shoes

That was

one of the best opening scenes in movies.

So good.

Did you end up watching it on the plane last night?

Okay.

I'm so glad you're not.

I have to come down and watch it on the plane.

It's not a hardship to watch your movie.

Yeah, twist my arm.

I got to watch recently.

That was intense, though.

Yeah, that is an intense.

It's an intense one.

And of course, there's that,

God, the heartbreaking scene where you discover.

that your mother has passed and that you weren't there and that great Laura Dernborn.

We were just talking about Laura Dern for the first time.

That actually was kind of where I was going.

So was that the start?

Were you friends with Laura before that?

Or?

No, we met on that movie.

Great.

So you met on that movie?

Cause it does come up.

She was doing her death scene.

Oh, was that?

That was day one.

Day one.

She's dead.

I walk in.

I'm like, she was like, I'm going through a divorce.

I was like, just been through one.

Let's get into it.

Let's go.

So, so then there, there begins.

There begins that friendship.

And it does feel like you guys are like sisters.

Oh, my gosh.

We are so connected.

And we laugh all morning, all night.

I just FaceTimed her this morning.

I was like, going on Let's Call Teresa.

She's like, no.

Oh, my God.

I was like, what's that?

No.

I just met her actually on Tom Royale.

So it was like, it was like, it was a two second thing, but I was just like, I didn't get time with her, but I was like, God, she really, she is similar to you.

It's like, like, she will always.

have that

other place in your mind where it's like, I once saw you on a screen and you changed my life, and here you are walking around and really producing this show that I was, the Pomeroyale show, like really there on her day off, there in the nuts and bolts.

And it's really amazing to see because you guys bring perspective

that is not usually there.

She's just so encyclopedic about her understanding of film, television, performance, how movies come together.

She's a savant, and she's also lovely and kind and humble.

Yeah.

But she can eviscerate you in a scene, and you're just like, oh, this is so good.

Some of my favorite stuff I've ever done in my whole life was scenes between Madeline and Nanata on Big Little Eyes.

I'll never, you forget, you guys.

She's a fire pic, letting it rip at each other.

You better not cancel my daughter's birthday.

And I was like, I'm going to Disney on ice instead.

We've got Isa Avenue Q being like these tent pole plot points the best

in that show.

I mean, I will also say, like,

the puppets.

Yeah, the puppets.

That show.

Yes.

Perfection.

No, it really was.

And talk about again, like, yet again, like, just watching everything about it.

I mean, like, and like just the shots of the crashing waves, et cetera.

White Lotus, we see you.

We know where you got that from.

We know where you got that.

But that,

that.

You have to feel like that probably opened so much up in TV then.

It was such, that was a watershed.

I think.

Yeah.

Not just for you, but for television.

Yeah.

But I think because a group of that esteemed level actresses doing a TV show was unheard of.

Also, just like Nicole, myself, and Laura and Zoe Kravitz and Shaylee Winley, like all in our friendship.

You heard more about our friendships than you heard about our work or what's going on with our kids.

Like, who cares?

We're best friends.

We were so angry at each other

through the screen.

But it was, you know, it was just the inner workings of female relationships.

And I think the really beautiful thing about Big Little Lies is it's actually an entire show about domestic violence.

And it had this, again, this emotional resonance where you think it's this frothy thing, right?

But it's actually something very, very real that happens to one in three women.

Yes.

And so you could laugh about it, right?

It's funny.

I tend to migrate as like little pets.

Yeah, like, yes, yes.

And scenes with me and Laura, amazing.

Yeah.

We're in a totally different show than Nicole Kidman.

Right.

And Alexander Scargard.

Absolutely.

And it all comes together at the very end.

You're like, holy shit.

Well, I think one of the really powerful things was the dichotomy of like, there are these women arguing about this play and literally blocks over, there's this thing happening.

And so, yes, there are are two different shows.

But it is in one reality and it is also

the reality, which is that these things are happening and the shock with which you guys receive that information, but the immediate way you know to protect and act, I think was so powerful.

And certainly all my female friends, all our female friends that we talked to were just like, so

empowered and emboldened by the fact that like we will have each other's backs and that that's what that show was about.

And we'll also have joy and we'll also have laughter and we'll also be petty and then we'll make up for it.

And we'll still get into it afterwards.

We're going to do it and we're going to have this great life together.

Truly.

Yeah.

No one can resist a rule of culture.

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I feel like that combination of the frothiness with the weight of something is to transition into Morning Show

is the thing that we love about Morning Show.

We've made a lot of light about like the campiness of it, obviously.

We like it, but

especially watching this season, I go, you need the campiness.

I need the ridiculous.

You need Bradley Jackson going to space

in order to talk about

these things that even TV now doesn't want to tackle, like the pandemic, like the fucking insurrection, like all of these really fucked up things about the world.

You know, like, I think.

Was that like the vision for the show the whole time?

Because it also mimics the dichotomy between morning news shows, which we've had experience on now, where it's like, okay, we're going to talk about a war going on in some place at any given time.

And we're all going to be talking about it.

How do you fold a handkerchief?

We're going to find out.

The best way to use a plunger.

It's like, it's so good.

That's iconic blast.

But that's life now.

So I think you're right.

And you call it campy and soapy, but for me, it's like,

where's the

the human experience?

Yes.

Right.

So if you, you're talking about really earnest subject matter, you have to lighten it up.

100%.

You have to be having like the news producer and the on-air athlete talking about like,

why didn't you, why were you late at work today?

You know, that's.

Loved that scene, by the way, between, oh my God, between Karen Pittman and Olbahari.

Karen is,

I mean, like, she's so special.

I know.

Like, we are

Karen Pittman super stance.

And she's also one of the most stunning individuals on planet Earth.

And like, Helen of Troy.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You could say Helen of Troy.

We both grew up in Nashville.

Really?

Throw a rock.

She went to the one girl's school, I went to the other girl's school, and same age, exact same age, coming up together.

And we finally met on the first season of Morning Show.

So we're natural girls.

Oh, I love it.

She's just great.

I so celebrate all her wins.

And she was on, and just like that, too.

And she's just killing it.

She definitely is.

I feel like the thing, too, about the morning show that

I was referencing earlier was when you did go to space

and then a matter of 10, 11 months later, we see the blue origin.

Yes.

What did that feel like?

Because they're just forecasters, these writers.

It's Simpsons level.

They predict it.

It's odd.

Yeah.

It's odd.

Because at the end of season one, in the very last scene, Alex Levy has a meltdown on camera and she's like, screw this bullshit.

And there's, and I'm talking about right before she says it, I'm like, and there's a mysterious illness on a cruise ship off the coast of China.

Yeah.

And then literally within six months, it was COVID.

That episode aired before COVID.

I know.

Crazy.

I don't know.

There's some weird woo-woo stuff happening on the show.

See, that's why I'm like, so they sent us the whole season of the show, of the new season, and we freaked.

But now I'm like, oh, gosh, what's it going to portend at the end of the season that's going to befall us?

I don't know.

You do know, actually.

I don't know.

But I just love

the tone of the show.

Like, it's just, it's so fun.

It's so enriching.

Every character is like rich now in the fourth season.

And even the new entrances, like, Marion Cottiar is just so perfect in this.

And when I heard that she was cast, I'm like, what is that going to feel like?

And she comes in and she just brings all her Marion-ness to it.

And it does feel, she feels impenetrable and untouchable and very, you know, impenetrable.

And her family owns the entire network now,

along with a lot of other assets.

And some are sort of

maybe a little dubious.

Unsavory.

That comes around.

Yeah.

That she's sort of the queen of this Empire's family empire and that they're doing some shady stuff.

Yeah.

And she's doing shady stuff all over the place.

Don't get me started about episode eight.

Episode episode eight.

Maybe it's nine.

Maybe it's nine.

See, a penultimate episode.

Just wait.

That's where the real shit goes down.

Don't be mad.

Celine.

It's Celine.

It's Celine.

And I said that her name was Celine.

I was like, this was perfect.

Of course it is.

Did you name Bradley Jackson?

Who named named Bradley Jackson?

No, our original writer, Carrie Aaron, wrote

Bradley Jackson.

Bradley Jackson.

It's unforgettable.

It's very newscaster-y.

Totally.

But newscast out of like a rural network who is then spotlit on national television.

Yeah.

It's like, it works both ways.

Yeah.

You know?

That's true.

And ambitious.

And ambitious.

Do we sense a threat?

We clearly do.

Are you a news junkie or do you, or did you feel, have you always been?

are you now no but i like to read very specific things about technology i'm really interested in technology yeah

biomedical innovation is really interesting to me and

and marketing is really interesting to me like how do consume like figuring out what consumers like I love it.

Yeah.

And why.

And why.

Right.

Culture.

Culture.

What do you how does it move markets?

Like Taylor Swift moving

markets in cities when her production comes there and economies grow.

Let's talk about that.

Oh, yeah.

That's interesting to me.

Why do people like certain people and really can't stand others?

Yeah, yeah.

Is it better for people to for you to be controversial or no one cares about you?

Is the curating?

The curating.

They run diagnostics.

We can run it on you guys.

I'd be scared.

I'm going to run the curating.

No, I'm the sure.

Or maybe you do.

Maybe you do.

Wait, you might want it.

Okay.

You might want that data.

My hands is 150.

No way.

Do you guys like data?

Do you like knowing that guys?

But the right, I mean,

there are some little flames that I don't want to touch.

You know what I mean?

I find it really fascinating.

Like, I don't want an aura ring.

Like, who am I going to do with that current?

So

you're not woo-woo.

Let's talk.

What's it giving today?

My resiliency score is down to adequate because we were on a red eye.

My resilience

score.

My grit.

I got to get my grit score up.

I mean, my sleep score.

Listen, she tracks the naps with eerie precision.

But what are you doing with this information?

Like, does it make you feel better?

How would you become more resilient?

How I, well, it gives me knowledge that I've trended downward, right?

So I really got to, okay, let me be more intentional about my sleep.

Let me be more intentional about my, like working out in the morning.

Let me be more intentional about time to read, read, which I want to ask you about.

Like, it does give some shape to the outlook of the day.

Okay.

It gives you a readiness score based on your sleep, based on your activity the day before.

Okay, but if something woke you up in the morning and said, You're so tired.

You look really tired.

Are you tired?

Do you want to sleep?

God, why?

Are you looking tired?

Well, trash GPT is just a little bit more.

I have data about

how tired you are.

I'm 100 tired.

And how are you going to feel for the rest of the day?

Yeah, probably.

I am so susceptible.

It will tell me how to feel.

Well, I'll be like, oh, totally.

I didn't sleep.

I don't have a crown.

I think.

No, they give you a crown on the score if you do.

I don't even know about that.

But it's just like

human behavior 101.

They're trying to like

manipulate you.

And you're letting them.

But the tone is actually quite gentle.

Like, should I read the wedding score today?

It's actually quite, it doesn't matter.

And then I'd like to know your saltiness.

Your sassiness.

There's to deal with shit.

Saltiness.

There should be.

How much crap can you handle today?

So, this is, it's like, if you, if you did like go on a bender the night before and you only got like, whatever, three hours of sleep, it goes, maybe think about taking it easy.

It's very gentle.

Okay, it's this nice

sobriety.

You need sobriety.

No, no, no.

I don't get it.

I wasn't really mad.

It's loading it up right now, but like, that's what I said.

It's never been like.

Finger waggy.

Okay.

You're not doing so.

While this loads up, it's also how you hear it.

Yeah, that's true.

How you take criticism,

just window into me, don't take take it well.

Well, I was going to ask you that.

Like as someone who's like a metrics,

but also a sensitive person as a result of like what you do, I've always been like interested in this.

People that are very producerial and people that are real, you know, you're a business person, and so, but you're also an actor.

And so you maintain a lot of like openness, vulnerability, sensitivity in order to do what you do.

How do you

balance those two things as someone who's like out there publicly as a product in a way that we all are, but also someone who markets that product.

Like, how do you, like, how do you walk that line and maintain this attitude?

Oh, okay.

Well, I guess, well, that's a good question.

It has different levels to it, too, because when I'm in work mode, it's a full different personality.

And that's where I've kind of been for a while now.

The acting, I have to switch on.

I have to kind of tune out what's happening in the business.

But I knew if I didn't tune in to the business and kind of level up, I wasn't going to make change.

You may get, or you may get lost.

I would get lost, but I also just think not enough of it.

Like I wasn't an executive, but I had to become an executive already past nine years.

And I don't enjoy it per se,

but it's important if I want to affect change and actually create a company that has enterprise value in a market and see where the ball is going in terms of media.

So I have to pay attention to all of that.

Yeah.

Well, even be, so outside of those things, it's like, I think with Hello Sunshine, you've like created the trend of actor starts production company.

Great.

But that's, but what you've always avoided, which is what's common, is that an actor starts a production company as a way to be a boom to the changing tides of showbiz.

I don't think that that's ever been true for you.

Maybe in the beginning when you were having to like prove yourself, quote unquote.

But now I feel like with the pipeline of the book club, you have this way to create taste.

You are a tastemaker more than we are, to to be sure.

So like, what is the difference between, like, how do you like changing that dial has to be a very intentional, very difficult thing?

Well, I think taking some of the intense spotlight I had as a very young person, and I learned a lot about marketing through sitting about meetings, people talking about me like I was a product.

And they were like, well, it plays well in Russia and Brazil, but it doesn't play well in Japan.

And I was like, you're talking about me?

Yeah.

Why do they not?

Okay.

So I had to learn to depersonalize it.

Yeah, why do they not like me in Japan?

Right.

I don't know.

Yeah.

And then I don't know.

Because they haven't met me.

Because they haven't met me.

That is kind of what you said.

Well, I should go.

Oh, yeah.

I'm doing a meeting.

I'll do a meeting.

Book the place.

Let's go on a vacay.

I love the emphasis.

But no, I started to learn about how audiences receive information, what things trend this way and that way.

So as I started thinking about a book club as

a business enterprise, right?

What were the advantages, first of all, being first to market on having read something ahead of time and then going to those authors and saying,

first, you did the hard work.

You broke the back of the story.

These characters are indelible.

Can I help you promote it with this spotlight that I have?

That's all on me, but can I shine a little bit on you and help you out with some marketing stuff online?

And then also, if you feel inclined to give me the first write of the option, let me know.

But there was never like, you have to give me an option on your book.

So I wanted to clarify that because that was a lot of people say, oh, she got the first right of refusal.

I didn't, but people were so appreciative of the marketing.

And then I also said, if you give me the rights, I'm not going to stick it in development hell.

No.

I'm going to work my ass off on it for two years.

And if I can't get it made, I'm going to give it back to you, you know?

But, and we had a great success rate from Little Fires Everywhere to, you know, big little lies to Morning Show to Last Thing You you ever told me.

And

now we have another new one coming out with Danya Taylor Joy called Lucky.

And it's been great.

Where the chronic thing.

Yes.

Is it that you're looking at projects and you think, oh, this is something I really want to do with Carrie.

This would be fun to do with her.

We always joke, this podcast started out as a way for us to have a play date once a week.

And you're looking, you see these things and you're like, this is my play date with Carrie Washington.

For real.

Yes.

And I get to play with my favorite people.

And, you know,

what a gift.

Yeah, totally.

And also empower them.

We all get to make something together and have a blast while we're doing it.

Yeah.

So it, it isn't, I don't mean to diminish it and say it's easy because it's really hard work and long hours.

And,

but geez, it's like reaping the rewards of 30 years of hard work.

Yeah, totally.

And I get to love.

I love my job.

I love it.

You can tell.

It's clear.

It's so clear.

We love that you do it.

I'm just such a nerd.

I read constantly.

I was going to ask between reading about technology and biomedical stuff.

I'll take an hour a day.

I'll read that like while I get coffee.

Some total of the day, how much of it is reading?

Because this is what I want to kind of engineer in my own life.

I'm like, I got to fucking read books instead of

scrolling on this.

I know.

I know.

And I do think people are kind of getting off the phone and saying, like, touch grass, read a book, hold paper.

Yep.

I read an hour at night.

I read an hour in the morning and an hour at night.

And then I'm on a plane the whole plane ride.

Yeah.

So I can get through a lot on planes.

And how much are, can you ever stop yourself and just be like, Rhys, I'm just going to enjoy this book and stop thinking about

it.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like, who should play this female lead?

Yeah, exactly.

Somebody know who'd be amazing in this?

Bradley Cooper.

Yeah.

As a female lead.

No kidding.

Kidding.

No.

But there's.

No, I think in cinematic terms, I'm I'm always casting the movie in my mind.

Nothing wrong with it.

It's fun.

It is so fun.

Nothing wrong with that.

No one can resist a rule of culture.

So here's one for the dating files.

Rule of culture number 72.

Chemistry isn't just vibes, it's values.

Because what's the point of matching with someone if you can't talk about the shows you binge, the books you dog ear, or all the hot takes you'll defend at brunch?

I mean, you definitely have friends who have met their partners on Bumble, and it makes sense.

It's not just about matching with someone, it's about finding someone who gets your references, your obsessions, your whole vibe.

With shared interests and prompts, you don't just see a profile, you get a glimpse of someone's personality, which makes it even easier to start conversations that actually lead somewhere.

Plus, with photo and ID verification, you can trust that the person you're talking to is real.

With that added peace of mind, it's so much easier to show up as your full self.

So, whether your rule of culture is the best first state, start with the shared hot take on Renaissance, or compatibility is having the same hometown bodega order, download Bumble and turn those connections into something bigger.

Download Bumble and start your love story.

Ford was built on the belief that the world doesn't get to decide what you're capable of.

You do.

So, ask yourself, can you or can't you?

Can you load up a Ford F-150 and build your dream with sweat and steel?

Can you chase thrills and conquer curves in a Mustang?

Can you take a Bronco to where the map ends and adventure begins?

Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right.

Ready, set, forward.

So, there's my at-home voice and my podcast voice, which I'm using right now.

My podcast voice, as you can hear, is like a leveled-up version of me.

Kind of like the new DiGiorno wood-fired style crust pizza.

The fresh-from-home pizza you've always loved, but now, wow, with a leveled-up, crispy, yet perfectly airy crust.

Besides being in front of this mic to chat with you, our readers, my favorite place to be is at home.

And now that DiGiorno has new wood-fired-style crust pizzas, I might start doing the show from home more often.

DiGiorno is dropping a new crust and four topping varieties: premium pepperoni, supreme speciale, Italian meat trio, and four cheese.

Oh my god, these sounds so good.

I may need to excuse myself now and go make one right at this moment.

You've never had pizza like this at home.

It's restaurant quality pizza without all the other restaurant stuff.

Not having to deal with all the restaurant BS is heaven, really.

With premium cheese and all the best toppings encased in a wood-fired style crust, my night in just leveled up the new dijorno wood fired style crust pizza it's not delivery it's dijorno this episode of lost culturises is brought to you by malibu when the clock hits 501 it's not just the end of your day it's the beginning of your time time to kick back turn off the work brain and turn up the good vibes malibu is here to turn your after hours into island hours where the only thing on your to-do list is fun.

Okay, sometimes when I want to clock off, I just call the girls up.

I say, girls, we're going a happy hour.

And you know, I'm getting a Malibu and diet, which is the same cocktail favored by Jennifer Pedranti from the Real Housewise of Orange County, who is what?

The person I see when I look in the mirror.

You deserve to unplug, unwind, and feel like you're on vacation, even if you're just in your backyard.

And a great way to do that is with a delicious Malibu piña colada.

Yum, yum, yum.

Whether it's on the patio with friends, at a front porch hang, or just catching that sunset with someone special.

Mmm.

Make the moment matter.

Clock off with Malibu because life's too short not to do whatever tastes good.

Sip easy.

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speaking of the mind let's take an odyssey into it we're gonna ask you the question that we ask everyone on our show which is what was the culture that made you say culture was for me

it's just like so many things came into my mind when we were talking i know i bet i mean when i thought about it you know

when you first asked me i was like was it this i mean i remember when mtv started that was a big deal in my childhood

and john mon jovi or jbj as i call him

came out with this music video called living on a prayer yeah and he wore these thigh-high red leather boots

and you would think reese wishman's not like into guys with thigh-high red leather oh yes

it was a moment it was a moment and i had a lot there was a all kind of feelings about that and that to me was like mtv movie awards and video awards were huge in my childhood.

Because I grew up in a little town in Tennessee and I was seeing people like talk about,

you know,

gender fluidity, whether they were talking about it or they were just exhibiting it.

That was cool.

They were edgy or like when Gwen Stefani came out with I'm just a girl.

Yeah.

And she had this ska song about how women are always sublimated and ignored and underestimated.

I was like, that's my anthem.

But as you're sitting here, I was like, oh my God, I know what culture was for me.

I remember being, going with a group of friends to the movies and seeing First Wives Club.

Oh, yes.

And seeing Diane Keaton, Bette Miller, and Goldie Hahn do that dance at the end.

Well, yeah.

And I was like, I think I was the only 11-year-old watching it like, that's revenge.

You know, their unhappiness is

and they express it through song and dance.

And on a huge screen, and they sing, you don't know me.

Yeah.

You know, I'm just like, this is it.

That's it.

I used to rent that from Blockbuster all the time.

Like, I can't believe my mom just wasn't like, oh, my son's gay.

Like, cause it was like, I was like, I was renting it from Blockbuster all the time and watching it.

And I, I don't remember like the rest of it from that time, but that scene.

That scene.

By the way, your Blockbuster strategy was culture.

Like on Friday nights?

100%.

Were you like the basics that like ran for the new hits, or were you like,

I think I'm going to go rent Blue Velvet?

It's by David Lamb.

What I would do was it Winona Ryder Film Festival that I was always having.

Oh, my God.

There was, I'll never forget walking down the aisle and I saw Batman Forever and Nicole Kidman had her Veronica-like hair.

And I said, I know something about myself as a result of the way I'm reacting to this picture.

And I took that movie, and one day when she sits in this seat, I will tell her that that

Dr.

Chase Morini

is seared into my consciousness.

Yes.

It's a core memory frame.

Her, her, like, it's like a, it's like a noir-ish scene where like

it's Jessica Rabbit.

It's Jessica Rabbit.

Absolutely.

She gathers up her

like linens and she goes over to like, you know, the curtain's blowing and then Batman comes and they're having this scene.

And I'm like, that might have been a little bit of an awakening for me, to be honest with you.

That was my blockbuster.

It's like it's all coming back to me now.

It's like women at a window with linens.

You know what I mean?

White linens and a blowing in the breeze.

Yeah.

That was my intro to Nicole.

But your blockbuster strategy is your culture because it would be like, are you going to go to the wall with the new releases where it's like 10, 20 copies of one thing?

Or are you going to.

slowly peruse the aisles and I'm like nine years old and going what's the deer hunter like not like

the deer hunter well and I was a Goldiehog completist so it was either either overboard or wildcats when i had to go down

and then i could get a i could always get a group of kids to kind of watch what i wanted to watch yeah i was considered like

you're producing them i was like you guys just don't know follow me

come on come with me

huge yeah she was huge and winona rider was huge and i felt like i felt like i knew her

sure

overboard i almost had to wait

that movie is everything it's seared into me but this is everything but the end of first Wives Club is like this light that's refracted into three different beams among those women.

And you had, you could choose all three of them to model yourself after.

Like even for us, it's like, I want to be all of them.

And

your life wasn't a result of what the bad relationships that had happened to you.

It was what your friendships that were going to help you rise above and overcome.

And how interesting that that came back around for you.

I know.

And you know,

who knew that was

until we just talked about it?

We do know.

It's funny.

It's like someone said to me one time, like, you'll look back on your career and you'll see, you'll see a through line.

And so it's funny.

You said you talk about ambition being a through line.

You talk about female friendship being a through line.

And to

be where you're at now and know that those things have stayed consistent, but also inspired people.

That has to be really, really, really, really special.

Yeah.

And I feel lucky that I continue, I get to do it.

I get to continue to do it at a really high level with really fun people is really awesome.

But I had a friend say to me the other day, she said, you know, do you feel like you were born with a finite amount of stories to tell and you've told a lot of them?

Why would she say that?

Whoa.

She was an author and she's probably 61 or something.

And she's like, I feel like I'm kind of rewrapping every story, but it's always the same theme.

But that's okay.

Yeah, maybe we're all here for a purpose.

You have to find, as Oprah would say, you have to find your purpose, you know, or what, like, do you know the themes of your storytelling lives?

Not, it's coming into focus

slowly.

And, and for you to say that it, like, like, when would you say that it came into focus for me?

Not until I was 34, 35.

We're at, we're at that age, basically.

So it's, it's, it's, it's where the, like, people pleasing starts to diminish and you start to go, oh, wait, what I've been doing is kind of good.

I'm kindling, right?

Like, I've had one success and it's building on another.

And now it's time for me to slip into a leadership role and start being, and you'll start to see, I mean, you're probably already seeing this.

People are looking at you and going, what do you want to do?

Instead of going, can you please cast me or can you please put me in X?

And so you have to spend that good, look at me like life coaching your hair.

I know.

I feel so strong.

I feel very strongly.

Like you guys are super creative.

And it's important that when you figure that out for yourself,

your life opens up in a beautiful way.

And you start to go on a different path where it's like, okay, I'm only going to follow those, those threads that serve my real purpose and let people into my life that are helping that purpose.

It's funny when

you change too.

Because it's like, I feel like when I was younger growing up, like, and I had that moment where I was watching the Oscars and I was, it was, I think I was eight years old.

We always talk about that same, that Titanic Oscar, as we call it, 97, 98.

That was the moment I looked in the screen and I was like, oh, I'm not supposed to be be here.

I'm supposed to be with them.

And then you get in the industry and you understand more about it and you work and you get the awards thing and

you maybe even get to a point like you where you win the Oscar.

And yet it's not like you hit the jackpot and won the game and now the rest of your life is roses.

You still had struggles after that Oscar in terms of being taken seriously as a producer.

Is that

that must have been something that you really felt like?

I've won an Oscar and yet still you know what I mean and you hear that over and over and over again that there's a curse that there's like what are they gonna open a magic you know vault with the great scripts that they've been waiting to give you no it's not it's actually it's an opportunity to start creating your own right but I didn't understand that and it took me four years to figure it out yeah because you're thinking after you win the Oscar for walk the line it's gonna get easier yeah you think it's gonna get easier they're gonna all of a sudden I'm gonna be where you know, so-and-so is.

And then all of a sudden, you say, wait, who am I talking about as so-and-so?

Because we're all here

at women in Hollywood, even at this level.

And it's not like there's like this abundance.

Right.

And it's, yeah, exactly.

You nailed it.

And there is an Oscar curse, I think.

It feels like

it feels like you're mindful of it.

I mean, I think there's empirical data at this point.

For data people.

Yeah, for data people.

For the data people, not the people who like, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

But it's interesting what I guess.

It's interesting what ultimately does give you that satisfaction and purpose right it's like of course winning the oscar probably felt incredible like i would love to win one but you know that it's about what you can provide to people and what you can like be a part of that really affects change probably someone coming up to you that watched big little lies and said i felt empowered to say something yeah i asked my friend if they were okay yeah you know or I made sure that I just hang out with my female friends more as a result of watching that.

That probably can give you something that an Oscar never could.

Oh my God.

Morning show, people talking about I was harassed in my workplace and I didn't have a voice and you illuminated the show and now everybody at work is behaving differently.

Yeah.

So a lot of

the way our

amazing friends who work in the corporate world have to walk through a lot of sublimation and humiliation or just, it has radically changed in the past seven years.

And with reporting structures and harassment is actually like, that's not flirting.

That's actually like, leave me the F of

that.

And even the jokes about, like, can you believe we can't do this are now met with like, shut up.

Shut up.

You know what I mean?

Like, I've been,

how many times, like, when you get cast on a new project, you have like the, you know, the sexual harassment training.

And it's the people who are like, I can't believe this.

When I was on 15 years ago, it's like, okay, dude.

Okay.

Like, listen to yourself.

I've had people roll their eyes during it.

And it was usually people who were harassing people.

Exactly.

It's like, what?

I can't tell you I like your shirt.

It's like, no, you can tell me you like my shirt and you know the difference.

Yeah.

And so the fact that you're stunting on this right now is inappropriate.

But it's, but then that's when you remember people who just want attention.

You know, but I think morning show is great too because we get to watch things shift, right?

So we were there during Mean Two.

We were talking about workplace harassment, but now we're here talking about the manoverse and the rise of the male podcaster having massive influence.

Yeah, perfect casting, by the way.

Perfect casting.

Wasn't he great?

We love it.

Too many Holbrook is amazing and he has, you know, this ease and charm about him, but he's also kind of a good old boy.

It works for that character, too.

And so I think it's great that we can talk about journalism in this way that, you know, we're not attacking anybody, but we're just sort of illuminating how disturbing it is that people are getting their news sources from people who are maybe not experts in the things they're talking about.

Well, that's one of the biggest problems I have with, I mean, in our podcasting community, when suddenly a lifestyle podcast or a comedy podcast host thinks that they can have a politician on their show and have a real conversation with them.

I just don't think it's something that we should be doing.

We're not qualified necessarily to do that.

Like, well, I think it's hard to say that, you know?

During the election, we were pitched

Democratic politicians to come on here.

Presidential candidates.

Presidential candidates.

And we had to pass because I was like, I think then I would have to, and Bowen would have to follow up with some

topics.

And like, I don't know if you want this person on our show.

Right.

I don't know if it's best for us to do this.

It's also good to trust your instincts because, again, what is your purpose here?

Are you having a great political news?

No, we should make people happy.

Guys, you make people happy.

Yeah, exactly.

Like having your own award show.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Which was Jason.

You watched it.

You guys, come on.

You're invited to

do it with that.

We just sort of try to make each other laugh.

And if we do,

we just follow that.

And did you tell people like guests that they had to come on to accept their awards?

Well, or did they just want to?

So peek behind the curtain.

It was our amazing, amazing, amazing team to help us.

And the amazing team.

No, I can't believe you watched it.

I can't believe you watched it.

I can't believe it.

It was so incredible.

It was so fun.

Repeated some clips.

So we're very funny.

Thank you.

You're invited any year.

Here's the thing is like, I literally was thinking, I was like, no, the first time we meet Reese has to be like this.

And then we're going to open the box.

Yeah.

But anyway, it's there.

But no, we just, no, we like, look, it was a lot of work because it was just the two of us plus two writers, which is very understaffed in terms of award shows.

It was hard.

We wrote all the presenter copy, all the speeches, because everyone was like, we don't know what this is yet because it hadn't been televised.

We told the tone.

So we had to write all the speeches.

We like, we did everything.

How long did that take you guys?

A couple months.

A couple months.

And the really challenging part was that moment.

And this is why like.

it's great to talk to you is because then you suddenly have to be like oh i'm snapping into being talent now and now we have to learn

Abracadabra by Lady Gog.

We have to learn a dance

the dance.

And that's when I, that's when I finally was like, I have an anxiety problem and I'm getting on propranolol.

Okay.

Because this abracadabra dance almost took me out.

And you know it did.

I'm so proud of you.

So can we talk about our relationship to anxiety?

And like,

because I want to hear tools that you've learned and what I've learned.

And it's real.

You talk about it.

I'm a high anxiety person.

Okay.

And so I'm actually really happy to hear you say that because sometimes I think when someone talks about themselves as ambitious and I identify with that, it's sort of what people don't say is the amount of anxiety that sometimes can be driving that ambition or accompanying that ambition.

So even just to hear you label it as being, as your ambition being a symptom or how do you think of it?

I mean, anxiety manifests itself.

Depression looks like anxiety sometimes too.

So it can be really highly performance based, like you have to perform, you have to show up, which is a lot of my anxiety.

So I used to have panic attacks, bad panic attacks, like crying.

And I tried meditation.

It's hard for me to listen.

I also have like some ADD stuff.

So I can't listen to stuff for very long.

Honestly, this sounds so crazy, but I worked with a hypnotist who also did

no medicine.

I took medicine sometimes.

I'd have to take Attavan to calm down.

And

then it would make me feel like a zombie.

Right.

And then I wasn't performing.

That's depressing.

That's depressing.

And I wasn't performing at the level I wanted to.

And I wasn't as funny.

But by the way, P.S., if you need medicine, please take the medicine.

Of course.

And a solidary individual.

Don't be a hero.

Yes.

And I'm not a doctor.

Do I need to put that little thing?

I'm not a doctor.

But I started doing some work about

with a hypnotist.

And she actually works with this thing called neuro-linguistic programming.

So it's called NLP.

And she helped me realize that I was going to get to the same result, but I could get rid of all the anxiety.

When was that?

I was 30,

34.

34.

34 is like imagine.

We're 35.

And so this was, this was, I think I've,

well, how long?

We've been now like

engaging with this in a real way for like, what, two years, a year each.

Yeah, sure, sure.

So

always thinking like what if i

dull myself or you know what i mean i lots of my our friends with with mental health oh for sure are like i don't and sometimes i drink too much or drink at an event and then i was like why am i doing this i don't feel good or i take an adavan and i was sleepy or so that actually changed my whole life and

I I want people to know anxiety is real.

And when I see girls going through it or guys going through it on, and they post videos and they're, I'm like, want to hug them.

I makes want to cry because it's very real and you're not alone and you can calm yourself down.

There's tools to calm yourself down.

I mean, there is no like

magic single solution.

I think it is just you finding like on an individualized level, like the matrix of things that that can help you through.

I don't know.

But the cornerstone of that work is understanding that you're going to perform at the same level, whether you're stressed about it or not stressed about it.

Yeah.

So decide to take the stress out.

And she does a lot of exercises where you talk to yourself after you've completed the task, you've done the show, you're walking backstage.

You guys are like going, you're reviewing and you're happy.

And so you kind of just tell yourself ahead of time, we're going to get there.

The way I process it is actually.

who I am and how I show up as a leader.

Sure.

But the cognitive script that you have to undo, which is I'm sure the work that you did is to go, but no, I mean, the way that I do it, even if I like like the anxiety and the stress is just the way through, that's the journey.

Like, like, at what point do you believe that to be true?

That, like, you don't need all the stuff in the middle, that you will perform at the same level when you can let the compliments in.

Ah, you hear that?

My big issue.

But just sit down at the end of the night, maybe even like just circle certain texts or take a screenshot and like give yourself a moment and let it in.

Yeah.

Because you really are that talented.

And you really, really deserve where you're at.

But even if it's just quiet and private to you.

Totally.

You know?

One last thing before we move on.

I don't think so, honey.

And what I've always wanted to ask you.

Okay.

Yeah.

What I've always wanted to ask you.

And what we kind of maybe brought up earlier with the book club, it's like people assumed that like you have the, like you have first look at everything, right?

That must be a frustrating thing.

And that is probably.

Two things.

One's the estimate underestimation that we've talked about, which is another through line with the ambition.

The other is people projecting things onto you, Rhys Witherspoon, this accomplished, high-functioning, beautiful, charming person, decorated person.

But then at what point does that like work against things?

Like,

at a certain point, I go, wait, no, that's not everything there is about me.

You mean that people assume things about me?

I don't know what they assume about me.

I'm not

sure.

It's like the book club.

It's like the book club, though.

It's like, well, she must get first.

It's like they just assume that you have these things at your fingertips when you have to work hard for them.

Yeah, I think, no, I think like the joke is out about me that I work really hard.

No, I don't know if people assume like things that what really gets my goat is people assuming things about my friends or women who are in the spotlight drives me up a wall that you think you understand someone's emotional experience when you have never met them.

Yes.

And you project things on them.

Like sometimes I'll get all my comments about people in my life who've had kids and people in my life who haven't had kids.

And there is a massive judgment there on either side.

Right.

And it's just not cool.

Yeah.

We need to not do that to each other.

And don't assume that people don't have any consciousness about children, even if they haven't given birth to them out of their body.

Of course.

You know, that really bugs me.

Oh, that's that the this whole conversation that's like

I mean, I thought I was coming in to do I don't think so, honey, about something very light.

What?

No.

Well, no, no, move into the lighter.

Remember when you said before we got into I don't think so, honey, I have one more thing.

You fucked up because I have one more thing.

Now, don't think that you're going to come on Lost Cultureistas, the podcast, and we're not going to at least bring up big little lies season three.

Okay.

All right.

So as you go, okay, look down.

I just feel like we do need it.

And I would like to ask in a real way about like.

How much brain space it takes up for you

on the day-to-day?

And like,

what are we thinking about?

What are we talking about

i mean

the idea of it is so exciting to me and then this is where my anxiety imperfectionism and ambition comes in yeah for sure and i don't want to do that to you x yeah well of course it does so i'm not going to give it to you guys but you know it will be crisp can i say and the

the

the best and i i like

I you're just one of my like number ones.

And like, so I will say big little lies, season one, episode six, the scene with you and Catherine Newton where she's out on the hammock and you're going to over to her to confront her about the fact that she's going to like sell her virginity on the internet.

And when you tell her your secret about the fact that you had stepped out on Adam Scott,

that to me was just like, that was like Reese.

That scene was like, there was so much fire and there was spirit and there was vulnerability and that there was, there was all this, like, I just think that character was, is like the character that you were like born to play after all of them.

And you've done, you've brought so much to life in these different ways, but I feel like Madeline Martha McKenzie is like,

that's like the one.

And I just hope that in season three, she tears it up.

Thank you.

That's what I'm going to say.

I have that big little lies.

That's, that's Madeline's show.

Well, I'm going to pick your brain for cool set pieces too because I think what's important too is yes you get all the wonderful inner

personal dynamics and you get all the friendships and all the great women but we really live for our set pieces too oh yeah oh god whether it's you know um the trivia night where we all dress like audre headburn or we have a discount party for

our daughter yeah so those are really important to me too and

Like it all has to cook into this beautiful, delicious meal.

And it has to be perfect.

i i mean they do such an amazing job y'all do such an amazing job at picking those places too i remember that you guys went to go get coffee at a place one time this is when you have this scene with meryl and she reads you for being short like i just like this outdoor coffee spot where you ordered an americano i was like oh i want to go order an americano at that place like i was influenced

i love everything about that show the fact that the show was so yummy that meryl was like yes i want to do it she was like tracy though she was like Me, you brought Meryl to TV.

Oh,

well done.

Nicole did.

She called Nicole and she was like, I got to be on your show.

And that was it.

And that's how the match is.

So I would imagine Nicole and Meryl.

You said something one time.

I think it was when you were giving a tribute to

Nicole where you were talking about how, like, Nicole calls and she's like, You've got to understand.

I don't understand.

There's an actor.

There's this director.

She's amazing.

Oh, we must get her.

Then she does say stuff like,

we must go on a girls' trip.

I have to have a tequila.

We have to.

We must.

Oh.

She really does.

Yeah.

She really does.

She needs to have a tequila.

And she is.

She's like,

you and I, we're the property girlies.

We love to buy property.

Please.

She's totally right.

Two of the great folks have any three questions, by the way.

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Did you really do that backflip on that trampoline?

Because for a second, I was like, did they edit this?

In Vogue?

Yes.

73 questions.

You did that backflip.

Yeah, I was a gymnast when I was a little.

I was a diver and a gymnast.

You were a diver and a gymnast.

You were flying too.

I was taking big risks.

And it was your event.

Very small stature, very big risk.

What was your event in gymnastics where you were an uneven bars queen?

I was more floor.

Beam.

Beam.

Beam.

It's so scary.

All the short queens love beam.

Because, you know, low center of gravity.

My sister was too tall to be doing gymnastics, and we would just be white-knuckling into the seats.

It's like, this girl's going down.

You're like, just legs and arms and legs.

Bars was good for her.

Sorry, Charles.

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Okay, it's time for I don't think so, honey.

Yes, this is I don't think so, honey.

It's our 60-second segment where we take a minute, which really, if you crack it down, is 60 seconds to rant and really take down something in culture that's been getting us.

And I was thinking earlier about like, you know, how you see the threads in your work.

This kind of feeds into what I'm saying.

Exciting.

Okay.

Okay.

This is Matt Rodgers.

I don't think Sonia's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

People telling me I can't say y'all.

I can say y'all, even though I'm from Long Island, New York.

All right.

You all is a catch-all.

Cause I'll tell you what I'm not doing.

Folks.

I'm not doing folks.

I can say you all,

you guys, like, of course, you guys is like, you know, it's, it's, it lives inside me.

Right.

But I can say, y'all, you know, who else says y'all?

Bo and Yang.

Every now and then.

Also, don't come for me for code switching.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen.

Code switching is how I survived.

It is the theme in my work thus far.

I'm sure it will remain.

It's true.

Code switching for professional survival and social survival.

And

y'all can relax.

15 seconds.

because I am not going to stop saying it, probably because also Kelly Clarkson is one of my formative cultures at the age of 12.

When she was like, Y'all, y'all, y'all, an American Idol, and I did imprint on her.

And Rhys is here, and I've made it clear how much I love her.

So, y'all, I don't think so, honey.

And that's one minute.

Y'all's big for me.

That was so good.

Thanks.

But do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, y'all belongs to everyone.

So, you as a Nashville queen, you

noted

Nashville queen.

It does.

All right.

So you're allowing it.

Yes, of course.

Open up the gates.

Open up the gates.

Now I just remember Sweet Home Alabama when you got to the dog's grave.

You know who loved that?

Roger Ebert.

He did.

Roger Ebert.

I'm telling you, I'm like, I have the bibliography.

Oh my God, how do you know so much?

I love you.

Oh, my God.

You're amazing.

You're amazing.

You're my favorite.

I think you know that Roger Ebert loved that scene of me crying over my dead dog.

Sweet Home, Alabama.

In his review, I remember this from when I was reading like the reviews like way back when it was like Roger Ebert was like, I think he gave the movie like a two and a half star review or whatever.

And then he was like, but the thing is, Reese, when she gets down and she does that eulogy, like that speech to the dog, and I was like reading it and I was like, mom, we have to go to the movies.

We have to see Sweet Home Alabama.

She's like, okay, no, get off my back.

No, yes, of course.

Y'all.

No, we're studied.

The Bruiser, what's this?

I'm telling you, is that's a deep cut, obviously.

Elwood, speaking of, I've got my own things.

Okay, here we go.

And I, and I'm swinging big, and this might not go over well, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it.

And yeah, and you are allowed to respond however you would like.

Okay.

He's a chemistry major.

from NYU before we get into it.

Okay.

This is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now.

I don't think so, honey.

Elwood's pronouncing it ammonium thioglycolate when the pronunciation is ammonium thioglycolate.

Theoglycolate.

I fucked it up too.

Oh, you know

how daring.

Unlike L, I was a chemistry major and I couldn't even do it.

So I guess I have no fucking leg to stand on.

And Elle herself, with her working knowledge, the rules of beauty are hair care, hair care, simple, and finite.

Any Cosmo girl would have known.

Any Cosmo girl would have known.

30 seconds.

I think for that to be the punch that threw Chutney in jail.

Love you, Linda.

Love you, Linda.

Oh my God, we love Linda in this house.

I think the impact would have been even greater.

I think it has thrown industrial chemists in disarray since the year 2000 because they have not known how to pronounce this name that it's thrown even me off.

And it really was a bump in the road of my chemistry education, but I could never be mad at Elwood's.

I could never be mad at Reese.

It's one of the best movies of all time.

And that's one minute.

I'm so sorry.

I fucked it up.

But see,

ammonium thiglocalate lives in my head forever.

Now it's how it's pronounced.

That's the recipe.

by glauclate.

Was it a topic?

Like, did you guys talk about it?

I did not talk about it, but it's like, you must understand that it did confuse the community.

It's like, how do we pronounce this chemical, this molecule?

Oh, but you were influenced.

I was influenced that I was correct.

25 years later.

But, you know, Al Woods is a fashion and merchandise major.

She's not.

She's not.

Oh.

And I have a 4.0.

Wait, but I want you to know also, did you know they show at NYU?

I went to dramatic writing school at Tish at NYU.

They show the opening sequence of Legally Blonde to show how to establish tone.

Of the letter being passed.

Really?

Yeah.

It's like

there's like a whole scene and like just of every, of the girl riding in the bike and it gets, you know, Bruiser, what's this?

And then you open it up.

They show that whole thing.

And we did a whole day about how like that is a perfect way to establish the tone of a movie and get the audience ready for what's to come.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

I think that's so great.

But yeah.

I can't even watch the beginning of the movie because they replaced somebody, my hands with somebody else's hands and I can't look at it.

And that's just my little inside scoop.

I

understand.

I need to just, I mean, this isn't my thing.

I can't, I don't think so, honey, but it was like hand doubles that don't look like the human.

Like, I can't.

No.

I spend a lot of time picking feet doubles.

You gotta watch the feet and hand doubles.

I also can't.

How are you throwing me?

How are you with ADR?

Whenever I see something that's even a little bit ADR.

No, I mean, like, you're good at it.

But when you're, when I'm watching it and, like, I can tell something is ADR, I'm like, I'm out.

Like, yeah, totally.

Yeah, Yeah, that's hard.

I think we're pretty good at it.

I just did some and for Pomeroyal.

I wasn't even supposed to say that I'm on it, but I did.

Sorry, guys.

This comes out in a little, you know, people are excited.

Excited.

Like, oh, we want to keep it a surprise.

I love it.

So, guys,

doing it was so.

I'll show you a picture of my cat.

It was so,

oh my God, they're going to be mad, but it was so like rich.

I was like, wow, to be on a set that, like, period has a budget.

I was like, this is crazy.

You know, the costume designer is the same person as big little eyes.

Okay.

I was gagging for the costume designer.

She didn't say that, though.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

She's amazing.

She's helped like Laura Darn and she worked really closely together for years and years.

I'll tell you after.

So, and I mean, the looks.

The looks for days.

Looks for years.

That was one of those shows, too, where it's like they're going to do a measurement fitting.

And I was like, okay, cool.

I think I'm going in for a fitting.

Every

single of your design,

everything.

I was like, oh my God.

And then I was wearing a fully aspido in the whole thing.

So I was just like, okay, I don't know if we needed this.

They're like, they're going to make it.

They get your glove size.

Everything.

I just picked it up again.

I was like, I need those measurements for something.

Do you know your glove size now?

I don't think I do.

Not off the top of the dome.

Not off the dome.

I'm a 15 neck.

All right, anyway.

Reese, we got to get you out of here.

You got to get you out of here because you have to do I don't think so honey and this is going to be iconic.

Do I really?

You have to.

You'd be the first person ever to not do one.

And that can be iconic.

You get anything else she needs to do.

Don't put that thought in her head.

Okay.

She has something.

She's got something.

What?

I mean, are you kidding me?

Only have his topics.

I'm just like, which one did you share with you guys?

Oh, yeah.

Well, on the mic.

Ready?

I'm picking what's right for today.

Okay.

Pick what's right for today.

Well, because like what's on my mind is what I came in.

There's like somebody that came up to me at a party and was like, had said something terrible, my friend.

And I'm like, now you're going to be like, Russian, we're going to be friends.

Let's go.

Let's go.

This is weird.

No.

But then, like, what I also want to talk about is like people who bring smelly food on like the trains and then like on their airplane.

Oh, okay, okay.

And if you feel 30 seconds.

Also, I have another thing, which is like standing in line for a cinnamon roll.

Like, why are we doing this with our lives?

This, I think this, I think, cinnamon roll.

Goose cinnamon roll.

Okay.

Yeah.

Do this and know the form is yours to break.

If 30 seconds in, you want to talk shit about your friend.

Do that.

That is up to you.

Okay, here we go.

This is Reese Witherspoons.

I think so.

Her time starts now.

Okay, I don't know why people do this, but like, why do you stand in line for like a cinnamon roll you saw on TikTok?

Because it would make it look better.

What?

Like a special food or something?

Like, you should touch grass.

You should read a book.

Oh, like, you know, and I have friends who will spend all day searching TikTok as like a search tool for places to take a picture, places to eat special foods, and they will stand in line for hours and hours and hours and hours for sourdough bread.

And I just can't.

30 seconds.

Is it they want to stand in line secretly, but they don't want to tell people.

No one ever wanted to stand in line ever for anything ever, and especially not a baked good.

Like, no.

Like, sometimes I get it about like those beautiful drinks that have like the frosty meringue tops.

Like, that's cute.

And it's going to look cute on your feed.

Cinnamon rolls are not cute in pictures.

I don't want to see it.

And I really don't want to hear about it.

Five seconds.

Okay.

I really don't like that.

I also want to stand in line for lip gloss.

That's one minute.

Yeah, that does feel like something that is not in my culture because it's never had to be, but lip gloss

to be standing in line.

Get a grip.

What's worth standing in line for?

Ooh.

Okay.

A really amazing once-in-a-lifetime live performance.

Yeah.

You know, like somebody you really moved by.

What's your favorite concert you've ever seen?

Well, the thing that's coming to mind is,

oh my God,

come on.

So many things.

Well, Gwen Stefani, when I was 12.

Yeah.

No, I wasn't.

I was like 20 when she came.

What am I talking about?

I saw in Minnesota, I was making a movie with Paul Rudd.

It was called Evernus Delivery.

It's a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible movie.

We had the best time.

Sarah Silverman was at one line in the whole movie.

She was hysterically funny.

That's when we made friends.

And it was just a time.

And we were in Minnesota and it was the beginning of ska and girl punk and

just all the rising talent.

And it was really fun.

And I I went and saw Gwen Stefani in the tiny tiny theater and it was cool and she was just a girl but she really wasn't she wasn't just a girl she did coachella last year and it felt like

and it was no doubt so it did feel like we were back it was it was just it took

the way she was like i'm just a girl yeah in the world i mean it was every feeling i brought yeah she was a total beast

is a total beast she contained multitudes yeah truly like

yeah of course

and a strong red lip oh always.

And

the pony.

And that, and that, and the pony.

And I just can't.

And it was all.

And also, what blew my mind was realizing she was having to bleach her hair all the time.

And she still has it.

Yeah, that's weird.

That's a mystery.

I had a bleach blonde moment all of last year.

And

everything would have done her.

She's burnt.

So I don't know how she's doing it.

And still to this day.

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Well, listen.

This has been

so much fun.

Oh, my gosh, you guys.

And I feel.

I'm so glad we finally did this.

I know.

And like, trust me, when he.

And I had to chase you down.

And just for the record, I chased you guys.

Listen.

No, you did not.

It was.

It was not.

You did not need to convince us.

It was the easiest.

Yes.

I FaceTimed this one the second you parted with we just never think someone as cool and talented and busy as you is going to come spend time with us and so we are so happy that you did because we have to tell you morning show is like it's one of those things where it's one of the only things i get like super excited i wake up i'm like oh there's a new one and now that we have all of them to binge sorry y'all y'all don't um but um but we'll still be keeping updated and it's just as much fun as it is every year and uh if i only came on this podcast for one reason it was to watch you guys connect morning show the new iphone taylor spooks album, and the color of orange.

Well, that all happened off mic, but we did get it, right?

Okay, we got all of it.

And then you hitting it with the iconic,

whoever said orange is the new pink.

Seriously disturbed.

I mean, I saw Kevin Diaz wearing a truly Heinus Angora sweater.

I taught you how to buy the most truly Heinz.

Yeah.

Okay, well, maybe we have to come back and we have to check more batteries.

We're going to jin out more.

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