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Look, Matt. Oh, I see.
Wow. Bowen, look over there.
Wow. Is that culture? Yes.
Oh, my goodness. Wow.
Las Culturistas. Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling. We're back.
Well, what an auspicious beginning to the year. Oof.
No, what do you mean, oof? Well, why were you calling it auspicious? Because we get to be together. We get to we have a great bounty we have a great bounty a friendship here a treasure of beauty in front of treasure of beauty is that the definition of bounty a treasure of beauty oh no no a great fortune a great fortune i forget when i forget how you used this sequence of words but it's so matt rogers it's you have a great fortune You have a great fortune of beauty.
Yes. Well, you do.
I'm actually sitting here with you right now. Are you in a full beat right now? No, I actually took the beat off.
You took the beat off? Yeah, yeah. Because you did a little photo shoot for SNL.
I did for an SNL-related thing for something. So they get you in a full beat for the photo shoot? Tell us how photo shoots work.
Well, you know, they put you in a full beat and then they say, okay, your hair looks okay. These are the clothes.
And they say, hey, throw that neck for me. Throw that neck for me.
You end the phrase throw neck. Talk about this.
We have to give credit where it's due. Delta Work one time went on a tear on her podcast about throwing neck.
Like, you want me to throw neck? And I actually didn't know what it was. And now throw neck has entered my lexicon.
Throw neck is so much better than... I hated give head.
No, give head's awful. Give head is so bad.
Ew. We're talking about euphemisms for oral sex, a.k.a.
blowjob. We could also bring back blowjob.
Blowjob. You gave him a Blowjob? You gave him a Blowjob? A Blowjob.
Like, I don't know. He gives good Blowjobs.
I want people to say that about me. No.
Blowjob is so 90s. Actually, real culture number eight.
Blowjob is so 90s. And what Givehead is so odds, right? So odds.
And Throwneck is so 2020s So 2020. Uh-uh.
Uh-uh. That's why I'm an auspicious beginning of the year.
Obviously, there was a coping kind of cheekiness to it because of things being so devastating. Yeah.
I was just saying to Bo, right before we got on, I'm actually super anxious to do the podcast today. And anytime there's something going on, like the horrible fires that are happening right now in Los Angeles.
And by the way, it's still ongoing. I mean, we're recording this on Monday, January 13th.
This will come out on Wednesday. And the next couple of days are going to be very trying for the city and for the area.
And I think we are still going to lost coach i mean our theme for this year actually we decided is more random bullshit yeah so look forward to that but i feel like i do just want to speak to everyone that because i know for a fact that we have people that listen to this and a great listener base in los angeles and many people there that are being affected that are losing everything. And it just goes so beyond just the loss of property.
I mean, the mental health right now, it's so demoralizing. It's hard to wrap your head around the amount of devastation and just how much work needs to be done.
And all I really want to say is that we are sending all of our love and strength to everyone that's affected, everyone that will be affected. For people checking in on me, I'm fine.
Like, I'm in New York and have been. I had some work stuff to do at the top of the year.
I've obviously ended up remaining here just to kind of stay out of the way, but truly heartbreaking and um just know that we will continue to provide a space for you to hopefully laugh and you know feel like there's someone beside you because it is a very unique kind of grief to have so many emotional attachments kind of fall away to ash literally i mean there's something something very obviously unique about every kind of disastrous thing but with fire it is like uncontrollable unpredictable fast and it all happens in a way that defies any kind of processing and things will just take a very long time. On every level, things will take a very long time to feel tolerable in any way.
And that is what's probably the saddest collective thing that people outside of Los Angeles must be feeling. But then it certainly pales in comparison to what people who are currently there and who will be dealing with this for the next several years are feeling in this moment.
Yeah. I mean, it's hard, right? Because sometimes it's just, you're sitting on your computer or in front of your TV or on your phone.
And you see things start to fill up that space.

And it's like,

you know,

the politis,

the politicization and the finger pointing and stuff is so unhelpful.

And it's hard.

I will never forget some people whose instinct was to just immediately

politicize this and immediately make it about other things.

When people's homes are burning,

when people are losing family,

losing pets, relationships get so challenged during things like this. You know what I mean? It's just the last thing on anyone's mind should be like dunking on this city, which by the way, obviously I get it.
Like LA gets dunked on. You know what I mean? It all feels very fucking stupid.
Why would you do that in this moment? Because for some people, they just can't separate their actual need for attention and for people to rally around whatever thought they have. I mean, it's like, it's a fucking dark day for social media when I log on and I see that people have all the fucking answers when it's like, you clearly don't and can't.
I think it's officially curtains. Oh, God.
For Shosh. TikTok ban.
Take it. Take it at this point.
Zuck being Zuck. Please.
It's just it's over. There's no which is not to say that like TikTok going away potentially is like a celebratory thing.
It's just like if you had any doubt that and now I'm like sounding a little tinfoily but it's like if you had any doubt this is all part of'm like sounding a little tinfoily, but it's like, if you had any doubt, this is all part of some, like, this isn't some kind of like propaganda machine, essentially. It's like, why are all of these fucking tech bros, like, right? We're just now, anyway, we can't get into this.
You know, it's like, there's so much, there's time for this stuff later. All I want to say right now, but actually, Bowen and I literally said, Bowen and I seven minutes on this because what we're going to do is we're going to bring you Lost Cult.
We have a lot to say about what's gone on over the past month since we've seen you guys. We hope you guys enjoyed the re-releases.
I think we actually carried down in terms of what we chose. We tore with the selection.
A tore carried and more. But last thing I want to say, the first thing

I'm going to do when I get back to the city, which I

don't know when that will be. Hopefully end of the week

we'll see, is I'm going to my apartment.

I'm going to my closet.

Every single thing that I don't need is getting

donated. I encourage you to do the same.

These resources, luckily, because of

social media, are not difficult to

find in terms of where you can donate. And if you are in the position to give, I said it about the hurricanes in Florida, I'm saying it now, please do that because people really need help.
They really need help bad. And my heart goes out to everybody.
If anything can be taken away from this, it's that the thing that has been mobilized the quickest and the most incredibly is interpersonal mutual aid yeah thing it's devastating that it's not anything more part of a larger system it's just it is literally like bottom up and it still has yet to be a top-down thing yeah and as we go into like a new sort of Era, as it were. That is...
That will not be the thing that anyone can rely on. I mean, let's...
I guess, you know what? You know what, y'all? Let's fucking see. You really fucked around.
I guess we're going to find out, depending on what goes down in terms of our federal government. But I guess we'll just continue to watch that.
It's just crazy that the response is what it is because it's a blue state it's really fucking crazy i mean let's not even let's literally not even let's just hope to god that resources are given to people that need it regardless of where they live or who they are or xyz reason the last thing i want to say about it is shout out doesn't even do it justice to all of the firefighters that are giving everything to put this out i mean like truly watching these the aircrafts go up and the water get dumped and like just seeing how precise all of it is and watching these people scale mountains to get to places, putting themselves in harm's way. Truly, all respect and heroic kudos to them.
It's just amazing what you see people are willing to do to help others and that is something that let's just highlight that at the end of this and as it all unfoldss so far, my place is okay, but I have a fucking one bedroom apartment. You know, I'm all right.
I'm just, I'm, my heart is broken for people that are losing stuff. Yeah.
Anyway, we watched the substance last night. We're the last.
Anyway, it's Oscar season. We're the last two gay men to see this movie.
Watched it together. It actually was my, you guys aren't going to believe this.
This was my second time seeing the movie. Do we have a burgeoning horror enthusiast in our midst? Do we? I think we do.
I always thought that Matt Rogers would be a horror buff. Like, I think you've grown up a lot since you self-identified this way.
Yeah. And I don't, I think you can let that go.
I think you can let, Ooh, I'm squeamish about horror. I think you've leveled the fuck up and you, if you can sit through the substance twice in one week.
Yeah. I think you're fine.
I knew what, here's the thing. It's such a rich genre.
It's such a shame that you're missing out. No, can I tell you something? It's one of the genres that I respect the most.
Yes. Horror and sci-fi.
Yes. I actually think because you can genuinely, and let's talk, we'll talk about this movie in connection to this idea, but you can more than anything else so brilliantly make points about our culture when you are a sci-fi or horror filmmaker or and both this is obviously both i knew i was gonna have to see it because i'm just rooting so hard for demi and and i'm more to say about her in a second but i was like you know what i'm gonna nut up and i'm gonna fucking watch this because you gotta nut up for demi and margaret i have to nut up for demi and margaret and that's like she rule of culture number 30 you have to nut up for to me and Margaret.
And let's nut up for Demi and Margaret. I'm actually sure of culture number 30.
You have to nut up for Demi

and Margaret. And let's include Margaret

in the conversation. Absolutely.
Because if

I wake up on Oscar nomination

morning and I don't see

whoever is reading those

nominations say the name Margaret

Qualley,

there will be more destruction.

Oh. And that's a little light

humor there. That's light humor.
Because I think we could all use a little light humor. Facetious queen.
Thank you. This is, I think it's our favorite movie of the year.
It's our favorite movie of the year. Yeah.
Period. Notwithstanding projects that we've been involved in.
I think Wicked has to occupy its own space. Of course.
And let me say. It's still in its own lane.
It is occupying its own space. It is.
For me, I've seen Wicked, I think, I actually don't remember if it's four or five times, but it's obviously one of my favorite films. And congratulations to you on your Sagnum.
Thank you. I feel like every time there's a nominations announcement, my sister always gets the flowers.
Because you are everything everywhere all at once. No, no, Queen.
I'm not just saying that. I'm very grateful to be included among this superlative group of actors.
You guys might win. There's a sort of self-deprecating part of me that says I somehow conned my way into that group.
But also, I'm very proud of... You were in the ensemble.
You elevated the film. I'm proud of the work that everybody did.
Yes.

Especially Jonathan Bailey getting the nomination for supporting.

Yeah.

That was major.

Such a nice.

What's the word?

Tasteful choice.

You used a word when we were talking about this.

That we were like when SAG nominations came out.

And then we were talking about Jonathan. We were like, oh, we're so happy for Jonathan.

You said.

Oh, are you looking through text?

Yeah, I'm looking through text.

What did I say about Johnny Bailey's nomination? I believe that I said something about it. We gotta cut around this.
No, this is real life. Oh no, okay.
We were texting up a storm. Here's the thing about us.
We are texting up a storm. I was actually looking at your number eight.
Teen. Here's the thing about us.
We are texting up a storm. No, this is what you said about Jonathan Bailey's nomination Inspired nomination I think it is an inspired nomination Because he is Because the thing about that role is it's like First of all, Jonathan Bailey is like Dick Van Dyke, you know what I mean? Oh my god, what a great comparison That's like the highest compliment I could give A A true entertainer.
That physicality is delightful.

Yeah, just dripping in charisma.

I'm saying that just in terms of the way he moves and dances.

His physique, it's not his physique, his physicality.

Well, I mean, listen.

First of all, if we're going to have Fierro,

that's exactly what it should be looking like.

That should be Fierro.

A triumph in both casting and tailoring.

Oh, yeah. That's what I would say about everything that doesn't have to do with Jonathan Bailey.
Right. But in terms of what does have to do with him, that's the definitive Fierro.
I mean, so easy to fall in love with immediately. You get why everyone on screen is doing that.
Yes, yes. You know, treating him that way.
Just like, you know, in a movie like that, where they clearly loved it so much, got the ensemble nom, Cynthia and Ariana. Like, I love it.
And it's a true supporting nomination, which is something that I ring the bell on a lot, which is the category fraud of it all. Of course.
And that is, look, it's an acting award granted by actors that he's performing in the truest sense. I think I'm not surprised at all why people saw his name and were like checking that box.
And you think they saw mine for Ensemble and said, yes. I think that here's what happened when I got to Ensemble.
I think they, first of all, Wicked, W, all the way at the end. Of course.
And I think you, Yang, were all the way at the end of that. So I think you were the last thing I saw.
I was the closer. You were the closer of the entire booklet.
And I've been a SAG voting committee member. Not this year, but I have been in the past.
I know how it works. And all I know is I think they closed their books very pleased with themselves, knowing that they had voted to nominate the one, the only, Sistrin I have called Bowen.
I'm the closer. I'm Kira.
I'm Kira Sedgwick in this bitch. You were so Kira Sedgwick in this bitch.
Wow. But, okay, so it wasn't all great for me though because like I just said, Margaret Qualley was not on the list for SAG.
And let me tell you something, the Academy members, if any of you are listening to this, yeah, I can actually vote till Fridayiday now i'm not waking up and not hearing margaret qualley's name what she does in this movie both of them epic every inch of her was covered except her one eye let's fucking talk about this film so the substance if you don't know now you know it's about demi moore she plays an aging actress named elizabethle Let's just pause Let that live First of all the very first thing you see is her Hollywood star Elizabeth Sparkle and you're like her name Is Elizabeth Sparkle and then the tone Of the movie begins And it's just so brilliant Like what's how do you How would you say what would you say the tone is The tone is God the tone is like B movie It's like B movie noir But like also like very aware of the fact That it's a body horror movie And it's like crunchy and juicy And very You mentioned very first frame You were like I already love this because it's just the hard materials of the Hollywood star that they're making. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the movie is... It's molding and shaping into, yeah.
It's about being defined by what physically makes you up and allowing that to go too far. And the movie never loses sight of that.
Coralie Fargey. Fargey.
Is it Fargey? Fargey. Because some people people are fully pronouncing it Farge.
Oh, that's interesting. So then maybe I'm wrong.
Because I'm looking at it and I'm thinking it's Farge. You are putting in the time to watch these interviews and to hear the utterances of the names.
We might as well just call Coralie the legend. Hold on.
We can't move forward without knowing the proper pronunciation. I'm looking at it as someone who clearly is not...

I'm not exactly whipping out a French accent,

but I'm looking at the way it's Farge...

It looks like Farge to me.

Coralie Fargeat.

Fargeat.

Fargeat.

Coralie Fargeat.

Fargeat.

Come on.

Someone said Fargeat.

No, I'm not saying come on at you.

I'm saying come on at whoever is broadcasting Fargeat.

I mean, lots of failures in broadcasting.

Fargeat?

Not the slur.

I don't know. I'm not saying come on at you.
I'm saying come on at whoever is broadcasting Fargeet. I mean, lots of failures in broadcasting.

Fargeet?

Not the slur.

Fargeet sounds like a slur.

It does.

You know what?

To speak of another Best Actress and Potential Nominee,

Mikey Madison really put her pussy into faggot,

into saying the word faggot in Nora.

Oh, I absolutely loved when she tore it up. Did we talk about this?

I don't know if we've gotten into Nora, because I don't think you had seen Anora when I had seen Anora. You've now seen Anora.
I have now seen Anora and I have now loved Anora. Yes, of course.
I love Mikey Madison and Anora. Can I say, best actress, wild this year.
Cynthia, come on. Cynthia, I hope Cynthia is locked.
I think she is. Well, there's some people online that are kind of giving the fear that what happened to Margot Robbie could happen to Cynthia because like but I also think it's a totally different thing I would be so bummed out if Cynthia misses come on Cynthia fucking you're with her every step of the way in that movie all the way up until that last fucking battle cry it's like come on another actor would have you could It wouldn't have of the way.
Yeah. In that movie.
All the way up until that last fucking battle cry. It's like, come on.
Another actor would have... It wouldn't have been the same.
It wouldn't have been the same. Cynthia gave us such a sublime version of just that story up until that point.
Oh my God. Come on, please give it to Cynthia.
I mean, it's so great. And I listened to The Wizard and I a bunch today.
By the way, I covered The Wizard and I on my Christmas show, and each and every time

it was the best moment of my life.

Literally,

I can't believe that

song. And she's done yet

another defining

performance of that song. You can watch

all the Elphabets sing The Wizard and I.

Cynthia not only put her own

spin on it, but also did

the song so much justice.

And that's the point in the movie

where you're like, it's confirmed

I'm not sure. Cynthia not only put her own spin on it, but also did the song so much justice.

And that's like the point in the movie where you're like,

it's confirmed at that point that this is a great film.

You're in safe hands.

Yes.

After that.

I just love it.

Not to speak too much more about that,

but like,

I hope she gets her nomination.

I think my actress five is Demi,

Mikey Madison,

Cynthia Erivo, Carla Sofia Gascon, and Nicole in Baby Girl. And Nicole's getting lost.
And this is not to say I also didn't love, I loved Angelina Jolie in Maria. Yes, and then you'd seen Hard Truths.
I've seen Hard Truths. Marianne Jean-Baptiste is incredible in it.
I just, the movie's a difficult movie. Yeah, yeah.
And it's a tough character. Yeah.
But she's brilliant. And I've seen The Last Showgirl.
And I think if Pam Anderson gets a nomination, you're not going to see me tisking. Like, I root for her.
And she's fabulous in the movie. I've seen a lot.
You are, I think you're, this is a fun year to be a completist, completionist, however you want to say. Yeah.
Yeah. Great year.
And I haven't even mentioned Fernando Torres, who, the legendary Brazilian actress in the movie I'm Still Here, who's won the Globe. And that kind of like.
That shot her up. Shook it up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because people were looking at Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie to win that, and neither of them did.
Should we get back on track with the substance? I mean just funny it wields camp people throw around this word but it wields camp in the most perfect way which is it's poor taste and good taste. That's exactly what that movie is the entire way through.
Yes and I think the dialogue you're just like oh my god this is a reverie. This is dream like in every way and in such a calibrated way like even god even with the dennis quaid stuff it's like oh everyone understands this this is good direction everyone being aligned with the vision and also that being true when there is so much technical stuff going on.

I implore you, if you've seen this movie, the next thing you should do, your homework, is to watch.

It's a 30-minute BTS feature on YouTube about the making of the movie.

It is true, practical filmmaking.

Practical magic.

Practical magic. Let that sink in.
but like you watch the movie and you're like well surely that part was CGI and it wasn't and so incredibly creative she was in terms of what she executed she's so in control of all her departments. And to speak to, again, the acting.
Oh, I'm thinking about Margaret. Margaret is a legend.
You're a hit. No, no, she's so good.
She's so good. And she also knows, like, I don't even know how to say this, but she's exactly pitch perfect on playing both realities.
Both realities of someone who, cause the thing about these characters of Sue and Elizabeth is they only ever really talk to each other. No, actually they never talk to each other and there's moments of like interaction, but like both to me and Margaret are having to be in dialogue with each other when they're solo, which do you know what I mean? Yes.
I mean well they are one person so that actually that was a part where I was like

watching the walk and I'm like okay

so if when you watch

the movie and by the way if you're totally in the dark

about what this movie is it's about

Elizabeth Sparkle who's an actress who

turns 50 and she has like a

Jane Fonda workout class like that's like

her gig now but you get the sense that this is what

she's had to do because the Hollywood

industry has done what it's done to women and

she's now too old so she's

finishing one of her classes

and it's her birthday and she

gets the word without

saying too much that because she's

old they're gonna fire

her and replace her

with someone younger so

on the way home she gets into a car

accident she goes to the hospital

and this like young

I don't know. her and replace her with someone younger.
So on the way home, she gets into a car accident. She goes to the hospital and this young nurse says to her, he passes on this thing called the substance.
And the substance is something that you can take to create, for lack of a better word, a younger better version of yourself. And there are strict parameters in which you can alternate

between your current self

and this younger self.

With the caveat being,

remember you are one being.

Like while new matter is created

and you can occupy that new, younger,

more beautiful matter.

Yeah.

You have to always remember that you are one being and one consciousness. So it's a really interesting exploration of what happens when you hate yourself so much that you actually start...
She loses grip on the rules because she so enjoys being the Margaret Qualley version of herself of herself and it does there there is like this weird binary created between them but they keep being reminded they are one person so it's actually this weird like also kind of an examination of like mental illness and true dysmorphia yeah the movie's doing a lot well the movie's doing a lot and then like anytime she faces a consequence it is so good at

leaving you

in the audience a little bit unsure i think in a purely intentional way not in like a plot holy way it's like you don't know whether it's a scientific consequence or if it's something that is like nefariously being carried out by like whoever is behind it yeah it's just i love it you have to see it yeah i mean i think i think everyone's seen it except us but honestly though like i never know because well you can i guess stream it now on movie and i had no idea that that bone was a movie lover well matt finds out that i subscribed to movie and then he goes that's a list i go I believe it's a list to be a Mubi subscriber you at home can be a Mubi subscriber and feel a list I guess I bought the film on Apple iTunes that seems a list to me as well you think it's a list I think everyone readers publicists Katie's finalists I need to see Matt Rogers in the Criterion closet

oh my god I just watched Pam Anderson's

which was great

she's so fucking smart

she knows so much about films

what did she pick out like Umbrellas of Cherbourg or whatever

well she's picked out the film Wanda

which is like a big I've now seen the last showgirl

which I'll talk about in a second I really want you to see it too

I took my ass down to

the Angelica

which side of the theater are you on right or left

left actually

See you next week. Showgirl, which I'll talk about in a second.
I really want you to see it too. I took my ass down to the Angelica.
Which side of the theater are you on? Right or left? Left, actually. That's my big, I don't think so many things.
I love Angelica, obviously. Yeah.
Institution. I do whatever I can to support it.
It's tough for me. It's tough for a lot of us to be in a theater that has a middle aisle.
I just gotta say, center aisle is tough. It is tough.
You know, in terms of the layout, I was not loving. It's okay.
But it's okay.

It's not a knock on Angelica. It's just a knock on that

seating arrangement in theaters

the world over. They could never make me hate

Angelica. They could never make me hate Angelica.

Though they try, because the seats do need a little

bit of a sprucing. And that bathroom

can use a little bit of a sprucing.

I daren't even go in.

But I just shit myself right in the aisle.

Girl, girl. There's space.

No one's using it. But I just shit myself right in the aisle.

Girl. Girl.
There's space.

No one's using it. But I saw

so I saw the last show girl and

because I'm excited for Pam. I'm a Pam

super fan. Oh yeah.
I saw Chicago

opening night with Pam. You saw Chicago

opening night with Pam and you

we are both huge fans of the opening

scene of Scary Movie 3. I mean come on

all of Pam's work. You okay? You okay? Cow says moo.
Dude. Dude.
Dude. I mean, I'm a Pam fan.
No mention of Jenny McCarthy. Sorry.
Let's keep going. Not mentioning her.
Not mentioning that one. I just mentioned her.
What we need is her take on the fires. I'm just kidding.
Oh, God. Substance's our favorite movie I knew I liked Margaret quality you want to know why because have you seen her Kenzo ad yes she dances in for a commercial for Kenzo which she's everything and you know she because I'm now a bleach I'm a ble fan of course she's in the music video for tiny moves by bleachers and it's just like just watching her be a stunning dancer and I have to imagine like all that dance background went into her performance here just so funny so smart so committed so to me, this is what blows me away

about The Substance

and their performances

in The Substance.

Can you just imagine

getting that script

and reading it

and being like,

you know what?

Yeah, three months of this for sure.

I get it.

I see it.

And I'm willing to commit to this

despite the fact that

that could have been

a huge disaster.

Well, she's had, she

says that she had the same feeling reading

that script as she did reading Ghosts where she was like

this might not work.

This probably won't work. It starts

as one thing, it goes into like, it's like

they pitched her Ghost and it was like

Could read Goofy. It's a rom-com

thrill, it's a romantic

thriller. Yeah.

Ghost story supernatural. It's like

multi-genre. And which the substance

is as well. Just

I'm not going to be a good one. com thrill it's a romantic thriller yeah like ghost story supernatural it's like multi-genre and which the substance is as well just the distillation of the tone of this movie is all in the billboard for the big new year's eve show oh god like i was in tears just being like this is so perfectly executed yeah like this billboard of Margaret, of Sue in this stupid fucking dress, head askew.
Yep. The New Year's Eve show tomorrow, 9 p.m., which implies that they put that billboard up for one day the day before, on December 30th.
And then the next day, new billboard. Tonight.
Tonight. 9 p.m.
By by the way these billboards cost like that location of the billboard that they're insinuating easily easily and it's just so funny because you could choose to watch this movie and be like wait what it's getting screenplay honors like this movie is goofy can because the tone is so perfect from the second it starts to the end. And it's totally original.
It's unlike anything. That's what I said out loud to you at one point during the movie where I was just like, I've never seen anything like this.
And what a fucking statement that is to say. You know who I spent...
Not about me. I'm just saying about us in film.
No, 100%. I spent probably two and a half minutes of my Seth Meyers interview talking about the Yes.
Oh, by the way. It was the first thing I said.
I was like, okay. So, he was like Golden Globes thoughts.
I was like, yeah, we gotta win Demi Moore an Oscar. We gotta win Demi Moore an Oscar.
Like, period, point blank. You were so great on Seth, by the way.
My two-act legend. By the way, can we just...
They did give me two acts. I felt really excited about that.
You're getting many more acts because... You mean?

Guess who's excited about your...

Who?

Seth Meyers.

Oh, really?

I just saw him for the shoot and he was like...

Well, I don't think people know about that yet.

Okay, then I can't.

Well, we can blur that out,

but there's something exciting coming up.

Something very...

People are going to be very happy.

I'm excited about this.

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Quince.com slash culturistas. Okay, you know what's actually driving me nuts? Just to go into some personal stuff.
So, I still have the blonde. I'm like over the blonde.
I want to be brunette again bad. Buzz.
But I have to keep my hair growing out for something. For something.
And so now I'm like, do I go somewhere in New York and have them dye my hair brown? No. Certainly not.
I just wait this out. Until you finish the thing? Because I need to have brown hair and long hair in the thing.
Yeah, get a colored hair. Get a color.
That could be interesting. Okay.
It could be so interesting. Or you get a shorn off now.
Yeah. And then have it grow out.
Who knows? In time for the thing. Remember in college when I would do black? I remember the black era.
You don't like that. I got to be honest with my sister and say I was not a huge fan, but it was right for the time because you were, once again, deeply committed to a role.
Okay, I won't dye my hair black. I think it's just because you have black hair and you're jealous.
You don't want me to take your crown. It doesn't go with your skin tone.
You are nasty. You are a nasty A-lister.
And rude. You are a nasty A-lister and rude.
And you have your movie subscription and you think you're all that. With your movie.
You need to get on Criterion channel. I feel like I'd get in the...
Yeah, I do need to get on Criterion channel. If I went in the closet, I'd be adrift.
You would not. You know film.
Perfect Blue, etc. Yeah, Perfect Blue.
The film. Is Perfect Blue Criterion? It is not Criterion.
Well, that's a mistake. They don't have any Satoshi Kon in Criterion, which is actually kind of crazy.
They should. Well, Criterion, we know you're listening.
We know you're listening. Change it.
We love you. We're fans, by the way.
Oh my god, I had a little Criterion Kicker of the Holidays and I watched

Take Out by Sean Baker

and it's so crazy

how there is this

consistency

in his vocabulary as a filmmaker

and the way he is so

solid and confident in a

realism on film

like it's the same thing

it's the same

preserved shit in Enora where you're like

there's just something about the dialogue

I'm not sure what I'm saying. realism on film.
Like, it's the same thing. It's the same preserved shit in Enora where you're like, there's just something about the dialogue and the way it's written and the direction that he finds it in the edit, probably, because he's an editor.
Just Takeout is so, if you can believe it, similar to Enora. It's obviously like he has working class people in all of his films, but it's like, the the thing about takeout is like it's this everyday operational thing at a place that you that is kind of invisible to society right like a strip club or a Chinese restaurant but it's like the goings on the day to day goings on in those places is a huge a hugely important thing that defines character and that the characters the protagonists in these films are driven by like a survival instinct,

you know,

like,

I'm sorry,

I'm being so,

I'm talking out of my ass, but it's,

it's,

it's the same.

It's like the bookends of Sean Baker.

It's like from takeout to a norm.

Like,

God,

just a filmmaker who is,

who understands what he's there to do.

Yeah.

I mean,

it's,

you call it the working class.

I would say it's,

his films are about the barely working. Yeah.
Yeah. totally.
His films are about the barely surviving class. Of course, of course.
And I think that with Enora, I was watching an interview with Mikey, actually was the, it was the Hollywood Reporter Actress Roundtable, which was great this year. And she was saying, because the whole table kind of turned to her at one point.
She's very shy. Very shy.
She's very reserved, and it's interesting to see her performance in Enora and then see her in real life. She's just a talent.
I'm a big fan of hers. But she was saying that it's a lot of improv.
That he'll just run the camera. For example, in that first sequence when...
He just ran the camera, right? And she just kind of had to create ways in which her character would try to pick guys up. And, you know, if you, if you've not seen an aura, I don't know what we're talking about.
It's Sean Baker's film starring Mikey Madison, getting a ton of Oscar buzz. Some people may even call it a front runner in many categories where she plays a stripper slash sex worker who gets involved with this, like, know very wealthy russian oligarch son and they have a whirlwind romance which is short-lived and then there there's a very harsh reality to the situation but she um she really like i guess that's a thing with sean baker's movies it's incredibly collaborative yeah yeah yeah between the performers and him because he also gets he has casting credit on his movies he has edit credit he's got all this stuff in a way that i'd be interested to see how that makes casting directors feel but like this guy is totally in charge of what he's putting out there and yeah it's interesting it's like two different movies totally yeah are you about like, Nora is like split into two.
Totally. It has that quality of like, but it still works in like this traditional, like three act structure.
It's like, oh, like it all, it all falls into the same. Yeah.
Like marks or whatever. It's like, you have fun watching it, like all his movies.
And then you leave heartbroken. Of course.
Did you see Red Rocket? I never got to see Red Rocket. Oh my God.
Simon Rex and I shared a plane one time. Really? I love Simon Rex.
I love him. He's so great.
Speaking of Scary Movie 3. Scary Movie 3, baby! Finally getting the flowers it deserves for being an important foundational text for comedy, for film, for so many things.
Well, you know, actually, The Last Showgirl, which when you see it, you'll know what I mean. The Last Showgirl, by the way, it's directed by Gia Coppola,

Francis Ford Coppola's granddaughter.

The Last Showgirl, I was saying to Patrick Rogers,

who I saw it with,

The Last Showgirl was like a Sean Baker movie

entirely through like a female gaze.

Right, right.

And it was just an interesting thing to see in quick succession.

But I don't even really know what my point is about that.

But it's just...

Scary Movie 3. Scary Movie 3, yes.
One starring Pam Anderson and one starring Simon Rex. Yeah.
And hopefully we'll see Anna Faris's... Oh my god.
By the way, heart goes out to her. She lost her home.
I mean... I just think we are ready for the Anna Faris.
Like a sans. Oh, I've been ready.
I have been so ready. I don't think there's, I think there's few people that are that big of a fucking star.
Well, you know, to be totally on the nose, I like watched Lost in Translation again on my way to Japan. Oh God, she's so great in it.
She is so fucking good in it. Yeah.
You watched Lost in Translation on the way to Japan. Yeah, I was like, I have it on.
I was like, I have it downloaded on my iPad. I was like, it's been a while.
That is so funny. You know, my interesting thing that I would love to ask Sofia Coppola about is,

you can tell that that entire movie, it's like, it is a platonic thing.

And then it becomes a little bit romantic at the end.

For anyone who hasn't seen Lost in Translation, I'm sorry to spoil.

But it's like, I wonder if that was the thing that Sofia kind of got pressured into doing.

Or if that was an artistic choice.

I also wonder if it was an improvised choice. They like, they kiss at the end.
Do they? I haven't seen it in a while. It's very like, it's not like a gross kiss, but it's just like, it's a kiss and it's like romantic.
And maybe it isn't, maybe it is a platonic kiss because those exist. But like, anyway, I don't know.
I just like, I just think that movie is so great when, when it's's just purely through the lens of like these are two lost people who find each other and their company is all they need and it doesn't have to be sexual or romantic or anything anyway I remember that that was Scarlett Johansson's moment stepping into like an AILA because she was I remember she got like two Golden Globe nominations which by the way congrats to sebastian stan who finally got his flowers and thank god because i'm proud of him and he's working hard and he's just what a guy he's just our fave and i was really really really happy for him that he got something because again and what he said is true he's like when his speech he was like we can't be afraid of this type of we can't be afraid to make art and talk about art because that's like a bad sign we're in bad dire straits if we start to be like well you can't say this can't say that i mean already you see the normalizing ms underwood oh like it's just interesting it's just it's It's really interesting. You think about it.
I'm smoking a huge cigarette that's eight feet long. Do you have anything else to say about The Substance other than it is the best movie of all time? It really, it's one of my favorites.
It really is one of my favorites. And it's so gross, you guys.
It's disgusting, which is the whole point. But i crazy like obviously it's there's so many visual references to the shining no i don't think you're crazy at all in fact i didn't pick up on them until you were pointing them out throughout the film i mean like the pattern on the carpet the bat like her coming in that bathroom yeah literally looking like the old woman oh the prosthetics in this in this, first of all, hair and makeup Oscar.
Oh, please. There's no question.
I think honestly sound. Oh, the set, the sound, please.
This has to be a directing nomination to end the script and both of them. Like it's crazy to me.
And tell me if you feel the same to watch that movie and be like, this is an Oscar contender, is exciting and insane.

Because I was talking to Seth about this, it's like, I love that

it's not an Oscar bait movie. Yeah.

No, that's the thing too I love, is that

not one person involved picked that script up

and said, you know, this is going to get me an Oscar.

No. And again, rubric.

Could anyone else have done

it better? There's something very

special about Demi in particular taking it on, and let's just speak about her for one second and I told you when the sequence started which was her going back to the mirror there's a sequence where she in the middle of the substance process has like second thoughts and she is preparing for a date with this guy that she meets and she just keeps going back to the mirror because she's so insecure and hates herself so much. The specific rage and hatred with which she looks at herself in the mirror and the really quiet performance, because she's not in dialogue with anyone.
But she carries this whole thing. Like you don't emotionally miss a second of it.
It's purely about the interiority of

this hatred that you have.

Yeah. Yeah.
That you're just like

and also even just the way

like to me is very long dark

hair like there's something like

really

specific and

dark about

every frame of the movie and she's

the perfect center for it.

Because of her lived experience yes that she

brings in her acting but also just like

Thank you. dark about every frame of the movie and she's the perfect center for it because of her lived experience yes that she brings in her acting but also just like it just feels like this was the role she was born to play and the experiences that she's had like uniquely prepare her to take on this role and then the casting of Margaret Qualley too is like you'd fully believe that's her younger double you believe believe that they occupy that same thing and it's just great.
It's a great fucking movie. It's a triumph all the way around.
And the directing and the specificity of the shots. That's what I'm saying.
All these shining references, you could not have asked for a better modernization of Dorian gray it is it even ups the ante of that with the final act of the film it's like oh well that is the most perfect choice to have the story go there and then just show it on film yeah i love it i love that movie thematically too so interesting like the substance really speaks to like this new revival of sunset boulevard which and then i've seen last showgirl it speaks to that like just a exploitation shit you you brought up uh baby jane it's like oh it's it's all of these things yeah and also i think people might balk at the fact that it was like and also there's like tons of reasons to balk whenever like the Golden Globes were, however the categorization goes in terms of the awards stuff, like, you know, are these actual supporting actors, like, is this really a comedy, etc. This is an amazing comedy.
It's a great comedy. It is a total satire on exactly where we're at in the culture right now in the way that, and that's another thing too, is it's's like i'm sure it helps to be a woman of a certain age to really understand this but we all know what it's like to look at ourselves and hate yeah oh yeah what like what we see or like because that's another thing to me talks a lot about in the press that she does for the movie is it's like so much of what rang true to her was the violence that we do to ourselves.
It's less about the messaging from the media and stuff and more about how we accept and believe and act on those things. And that is, I think, what I recognized.
It's like, yeah. It is society to some extent, but you would be irresponsible to say that it's just that.
No, it's like a red flag from society, but then you have to take ownership over what you are doing and being like, okay, this is good for me, this is bad for me, I can tell the difference, but sometimes you just fall too far. It's sad.
I mean, even the last sequence of the movie is incredibly over the top. It's heartbreaking.

I know.

Like, there's specifically one moment where there's like a little bit of dialogue from the character.

And it's sad.

It's heartbreaking. And then the last image of the movie is deeply heartbreaking.

I love it.

But also so funny and genius.

It's so funny.

Oh, my God.

We set Oscar award. Academy award.
Speaking of awards. How are we going to get Salt Lake City this season an Emmy? It needs a key body.
It needs something of high caliber. Yeah, Nobel.
Culture award. The way that you can expect to see the Housewives of Salt Lake City back at the culture

awards. This

is... This

is... The part where I say

my feelings!

Two seasons in a row

of... Tens.
Tens.

Tens, tens,

tens in television. The Brooke

Ashley was emotional in her recap. I need to watch

Brooke Ashley. Did you watch her recap yet? No.
I didn't.

No, but you know we love Brooke Ashley.

First of all, Meredith Marks for saying lies and spreading lies. Hey, hey, no! You disgust me! I can't believe I have you in my home! My home.
Mary, get her, Meredith. It's been several weeks, so we haven't been able to really impart.
If you're still not watching The Housewives of Salt Lake City, you're not doing life right. You're not doing life.
The way I'm encouraging Matt to let go of this self-identification is not being a horror fan. If you're not a Bravo person, if you've identified as I'm not a Bravo person, you have permission to let that go.
You are missing out on something truly special. Can I, wouldn't you say? I would say though, I would say, I think that again, like the way that they operate as a cast.
Also like put some respect on Brittany's name. She really is that crazy.
I mean... I was sending a video! You guys! I just love the safe placement of all of her anger and grief.
You guys, this is ridiculous. I've never taped in my life.
I'm in shock. She must return.
She must return. She has earned her keep.
Absolutely. Meanwhile, how bored were we last night watching Potomac? Oh.
Jeez. It is, it started off strong and now it's just boring and, can we say, sad and tragic.
Oh, yeah. We wish Karen Huger the best, but the something is not timing out correctly if she has allegedly been in rehab for weeks, but also was seen at Kathy Hilton's holiday party.
And she's missing the reunion. Anyway, we're getting into Brast.
We're getting into- We just wish Karen the best because clearly there's not everything is right there. And so honestly, well, if you're a fan of the Housewives universe and you're in it, you probably saw the video of, like, her arrest after drunk driving, which was not the first time.
And I just, I don't really understand thinking you could plead not guilty based on what became readily available to the public. But, again, that just makes me feel like clearly there's someone that really needs a lot of help.
And if she's getting the help, regardless of of the situation then that is good. Yes.
And our commentary does not matter in that regard. Oh is this the script for Challengers? Oh yeah.
Gag. Okay so you're up to date on your WGA dues.
I just paid mine. Well girl expect the This would be fabulous to read.
You want to read? You want to borrow? You actually do. Yeah.
Have you already read it or you're not going to? I have not read it, but it's been sitting there too long. You know what I mean? Like you take it.
By the way, not enough challengers in the Oscar discourse. Seth Meyers.
And I'm just, I'm just kind of parroting what Seth Meyers just said to me hours ago. Well, we love him very much.
We love him. And he actually.
I love that. He will be winning another.
He will be winning another culture award. He just said it.
He was saying, Josh O'Connor, where's all the love for him? Oh, now he's just gay baiting. He's queer baiting.
How dare he? How dare you? I'm retracting everything. Seth Meyers, how dare you do this? You can't be all these things and then be like, look, Bowen Yang in the eye and say, can't believe Josh O'Connor's not getting love.
Like, how dare you? You're trying it. It's working.
And if you don't think we see it. It's working on me.
And you. Oh, please.
When I go to that show, I'm just like, he's the best. He is the best and effortless.
And can I say, when you go on that show, you get like a special card before you even. His penmanship? That's exactly why I brought it up.
The man's penmanship is a late night host penmanship a masculine yet classy stylish stylish thriller his penmanship is a stylish thriller that's actually rule of culture number 88 Seth Meyers penmanship is a stylish thriller you know that man has letters that are being kept in a book. I hope they're published one day.
I hope they publish his letters to Alexa. God, you know, I just hope that.
To his children. I hope that his letters are published.
And what more chic thing could you say about someone than that one day you hope their letters are published. He was wearing a suit.
I'm sure he was.

And the entire room was like,

my God,

we're so not used to him being in a suit anymore.

But God,

a man has never looked better

in a suit.

No, it's actually a shame

for the world

that he doesn't wear

the suit every day.

But you know what, though?

He also can rock

a crew neck sweater.

It's not fair.

I'm saying it's not fair for us as crew neck sweater wearers. We can't compete, but it's also not fair for us as an audience because we don't see him.
We want to toggle back and forth. When he's wearing the suit, we want to see him in the sweater.
When he's wearing the sweater, we want to see him in the suit. And it all comes down to the truth, which is we just want to see Seth Meyers.
Period. Bars.
Bars. So was it just you and him today doing a photo shoot? No, it was me.
Was it many members of the Wisman Out community? It was me, the great Seth Meyers, the great Kate McKinnon, the great Leslie Jones, the great Kenan Thompson, and the great Molly Shannon. Wow.
It was a fun, fun, little group. Nice collection.
How's Molly? Molly's so good. Oh, she was asking about you.
She did? Molly. I love her.
We were comparing notes about Japan, our Japan trips. She went with her family.
She went a few years ago, but it's her favorite place. And the thing I have trouble with is just remembering names in Japan especially.
And she was just able to just rattle them off the top of her head and that is a woman who knows so cute she goes you know the hotels I booked booking.com like she was just booking.com I went on there oh how's man oh how is he so good he's so good I literally she is so classic how's your mother it's good that you and your mother are close it's great it's really good that you're with your mother. It's great that you guys are close.
It really is. Oh, really? Isn't that funny? Isn't that funny? Funny? I said to him, I was like, I think that's so funny.
I think that's so funny. Wait, I...
Oh, my God. I'll text her.
Doesn't Seth look so good in a suit? I'm going to text her. We love LA.
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Jesus Christ! See, there were so many other things. And this is truly a comment on the speed of culture moving by us at such a pace.
Yes. Please talk about your trip to Japan.
I'll keep it short. No, tell them everything you need to know because you were having such a fabulous time.
I was so happy. From the moment I got onto the Pokemon-themed plane.
Matt? Let that sink in.

It burst open the seal.

My whole life has led up to that trip.

Because you're not really the kind of person that's like,

oh my God, let me take a picture of the little accoutrements on the plane.

You were taking a photo of every knick-knack.

That flight looked so cute and gorgeous.

It was a cute, gorgeous flight. Some of the best food.
Period. Kawaii.
Kawaii. What do you think kawaii means? Super cool.
Super cute. Okay.
It means super cute in Japanese. I listen to a lot of Asian music.
Well, you know, you go to Japan. You were saying this.
You were saying this. You go to Japan and I'm like, I get why Gwen did that.
How could you not be obsessed with this? Yeah, she was inspired. You walk through Harajuku and you're like, I'm doing an album about this.
I'm doing an album about this. I'm doing a big pop record about this.
Super. Like that song is A plus.
Oh my God. I just.
So what were the highlights? The highlights. I mean, it's, it's tough to cut it together.
Sean Baker. I am not, I cannot edit this down, but it is, it, it was literally like the moment I got there, I get a text from Eric Nam.
Wonderful, wonderful artist person. He's just like, oh my God, you're in Tokyo? Like, Atsuko Okatsuka, the legend, former Love Culture guest is here.
Love, love. Atsuko and Ronnie Chen are here.
We're doing karaoke tonight. Come meet us.
Oh my God. We go to Shinjuku, me and my friend Jake, who's there.
Shout out to Jake. If you're in Williamsburg, if you need a nice short men's haircut, the guy's booked, he's busy.
But, Kiju, check out his salon. Hands down the best vibe in Williamsburg of any place.
Did karaoke with them. That's so funny.
A little 11-year-old boy. Ronnie Chang's 11-year-old nephew was there.
This boy who freaked out when he saw Eric Nam because he loves K-pop. He loves Eric Nam.
Freaked out. We all sang.
There was a full back line monica shout out to monica

our friend monica took us to a pro wrestling match not a sumo match a pro wrestling match

in the tokyo dome which is also where taylor swift performed the arrows tour yeah um

and the entire time i was thinking taylor was just there um there i mean all of it just going to

just seeing the sights the shopping oh joshua at the orally store we got a beautiful experience

Thank you. there i mean all of it just going to just seeing the sights the shopping oh joshua at the orally store we got a beautiful experience there i mean the food it's like france it's like they hold in highest regard their culture like in terms of like the film and the television like think about like just think about like japanese film and like like the caliber of that the food the hospitality the fashion hospitality, the fashion.
It's all very French. It's like, they're, they're like the French and that they like really care about this shit and making sure it's delightful.
And we have to go, we have to go. We're going for my birthday, period.
We can, we're going. And I, you know what? And I was sad about that.
I, that I canceled my last minute Disney sea trip. Cause it just, there just wasn't enough time and it was just stressful.
It was like the busiest domestic travel time in Japan. It's New Year's week because everyone has work off, but I was like, no, this is better because the first time I go to Disney Sea and Disneyland and Universal Studios Osaka will be with my sister.
Let's block out a lot of time. Yeah, I was going to say in the beginning of November.
Or end of October. I don't need to do Halloween in the States.
Girl, who does? None of you do. None of you do.
Think about it. When they keep saying Christmas gets longer, I said, yeah, I hope it eats Halloween right up.
That way I can get started earlier. Make more coin.
Make even more coin than I ever have. I'm coming for you.
I'm coming. September, the month of August, slipped away like a bottle of wine because I'm drinking it.
The Prince of Christmas, bitch. We haven't reflected.
We have reflected on post Prince of Christmas tour, haven't we? Actually, well, first I want to say it was the best it ever was. And I know I said this at the end.
And I was really looking forward at at the end it wasn't even bittersweet to end it because I was like we fucking nailed it I'm so in love with my band and those boys Henry, Ethan, Jordan and Derek love them I'm already booking for next year I will figure out ways to make it even better next year. Wow.
It's hard to top. Hard to top.
Like me in my late 20s. Yeah, I mean, that's true.
But anyway, like, okay, speaking of, it wasn't hard to top me at all in Miami. Even after my accident.
I haven't talked about this on the pod. You were throwing neck after the accident? Babe.
So I finished the tour. I go home for a few days to Long Island to be with the folks.
Yes. And then I go to Miami.
Thinking, actually, we've planned it enough where it can be kind of a low-key Miami trip. Get there.
No one realized it was Gay Circuit Week. So I go that night to a party.
I'm not going to say where. I'm not going to say what party because I don't want to cause any trouble.
Oh, there were wet stairs. I absolutely bid it on some stairs, landed on my tailbone.
I know secondhand, you guys are probably wincing and pain hearing me talk about this yeah it was bad bruised tailbone at the very least it honestly may be broken no because it's actually been two weeks now yeah man two weeks now almost to the day yeah almost no yesterday was two weeks when it happened and it's still actually i worked out for the very first time today at Barry's just to see what I was capable of. Can't do abs or anything where you use that part of your body as a fulcrum because it's still very painful.
And can I ask, you did not see a professional? Not yet because... That's what Michael Fisher was asking me this morning.
He was like, but has Matt gone to see someone? I was like, I don't know. So it is getting better.
It is getting better. But the thing is with the tailbone thing, first of all, I know I love you readers and medical professionals that are going to reach out.
I really am okay. It's just discomfort.
There's nothing you can really do for a tailbone bruise or even break. You kind of just have to wait it out.
And I'm okay. It's just uncomfortable to sit or lay down on your back.
Which is like kind of... Your favorite activity.
Really my favorite stuff to do after I've like completed the tour and New Year's. I got back and I was just like, oh God.
And so it's been a very uncomfortable couple weeks. But I will say it did not stop me from getting it in.
That's amazing. I'm so happy for you.
I am too. When there's a will.
And there was a big will. And there was a big will.
I was, I'm in like another horny era. Great.
Are you? Maybe. Expand.
Like it's been presented. Oh.
Like opportunities have presented themselves.

In New York?

Sure.

Sure.

And I'm like,

yeah.

You could take it or leave it?

I could take it or leave it. I shouldn't take this.

That's actually powerful.

No,

I wish I was more enthusiastic about it.

I'm like that about everything.

But it's the holidays,

you know,

I'm like,

oh,

I feel like I can like,

I mean,

this is such toxic thinking, but I'm like, give me? I'm like, oh, I feel like I can, like, I mean, this is such toxic thinking,

but I'm like, give me another month

to, like, get myself right.

Just in terms of, like,

I'm still bouncing back from the holidays

and this trip, honestly,

where I'm like,

let me actually not be a dog.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean?

Oh, 100%.

No, I, because you were just

doing a lot of scheduled stuff, so take it easy. I honestly feel like the second dating becomes a bunch of activities or things on the schedule.
Let's pull it back. Who even knows where they're at? Totally.
I don't know where I'm at. Last year, all throughout the year, I was like, I really want a boyfriend again.
I want a boyfriend again. Maybe you don't.
Maybe that was just something you were telling yourself. Yeah.
Well, you know where I'm at. I thought I was last year all throughout the year.
I was like, oh, I really want a boyfriend again. I want a boyfriend again.
And now I'm like, maybe you don't. Like, maybe that was just something you were telling yourself.
Yeah. Well, you know, I'm still in husband search.
Yeah. But if he shows up, I would love that.
But you can't just marry anybody. You can't.
That's what I figured out. I guess I think you can.
But wait, I think I had a dream the other night that I got married. Really? Yeah, I had like a dream that I got full on married

And was it amazing or was it like, whoa

No, the whole time I was like, wait, what?

Why did I do that for?

Yeah

To a woman maybe

Oh, that's fun

Definitely recently, this is now coming to my mind

There was definitely a dream recently where I got married to a woman

That's amazing Yeah, and it was like a whole thing of like, well, how are we going to make this work? You'll make it work. I guess.
Hmm. Alright, is there anything else before we get into, I mean, literally there are other things.
There's so many things. Traitors? Oh, loving the traitors this year.
Loving the traitors. I will say this.
I did not, so we had heard a false spoiler. We heard a false spoiler and I think it was falsely relayed by the person.
Let's just say. Let's just say it.
We had heard a false spoiler. At the Culture Awards.
That. And we won't say who relayed the message, but we had heard a false spoiler that Bob the Drag Queen was out first.

That is definitely not true. And that is certainly not true.
And not

even out...

First of all, spoiler alert for the traitors.

Bob the Drag Queen is one of the

traitors. Yes.
And

I love it as a choice. Yes.

I don't know Danielle

from Big Brother too much.

I know a lot

about Carolyn. Of course.

And obviously Rob Mariano Boston Rob is a full reality television legend I think the cast actually is better overall this year than last year because it feels like they're playing the game and less like on a reality show yeah yeah yes I. Yes.
You know? I think there is,

what a fun opportunity

for a course correction

in terms of like a collective,

like this cast is,

maybe they were given a no

or something,

but like really play the game this time

and don't necessarily worry about like

the drama of it.

Yeah.

And I think that that is

to this season's benefit.

Yeah. Who are you rooting for? We're rooting for Bob.
We love Bob. So you're rooting for the traitors.
I'm rooting for the traitors because I love Carolyn so much and I think Carolyn is playing it right. Carolyn is doing it right.
Danielle and Bob, I mean, they're both doing too much. They're doing too much, but we still root for them.
Who else? Chrishell. We love seeing Chrishell on TV.
I want Chrishell to win the show. Oh, so that's who you're rooting for.

You're rooting for the faithful. Chrishell's my pal,

so I'm rooting for her. Yeah, totally.
And of course,

Dolores Catania, my number one. You're number one.

And I love Dolores here as well.

Dolores? I just want to put

out there that based on this Them video

that Matt and I did, it made it seem like I was

anti-Dolores. No, no, I think you were just

surprised. I was just surprised that your number one

housewife was Dolores, and I said Dolores,

and then maybe that made her

I don't know. that Matt and I did, it made it seem like I was anti-Dolores in any way.
No, I think you were just surprised. I was just surprised that your number one housewife was Dolores.

And I said Dolores.

And then maybe that made

her think that,

or people think

that I don't like her.

I adore Dolores Catania.

You were surprised to hear me say

that Dolores Catania

was my favorite housewife

of all time,

which I can understand

because I don't think

I'm like always spouting off

about Dolores.

And I think it's precisely

why she's my number one is because I feel very at home when she's on television she reminds me of all my mom's friends oh that's so beautiful but how what about this statement Meredith Marks because I think especially after last week on Salt Lake one of the best Housewives. There's no question.

She's had enough seasons under her belt now,

five,

where she's done consistently great work,

where I go,

she's one of the all-time best.

She's done iconic things in every season.

Yep.

She's done iconic things in every season.

And again,

we say this with equal love

for friend of the pod,

Angie Katzennevis.

And Heather Gay and Whitney Rose. And I just, I love these women.
I will miss these women so much. It's not over yet.
But I'm counting it. It's like we've got the finale this week and then we've got, you know, three reunions.
But here's the thing. I heard we have a phenomenal finale and a really, really, Andy said stellar reunion.
I love it. And they looked good.
I love the pink and the red. I do hope Miami comes back with a force.
I need them. I need to have this, it's this fear of empty.
I need to have that empty filled up once Salt Lake leaves. But Meredith Marks absolutely is making the, is just on the Mount Rushmore.
Oh, certainly. Meredith Meredith is great from episode 1 or 2 of I'm Disengaging like the hits keep coming I think next Ultimate Girls Trip we do need to have Lisa and Meredith go Meredith there and also Lisa has earned it too of course you know what I noticed about Lisa Barlow? The character game that she plays is so strong.
She, every single time, she gives you exactly what you, if you were to logically sit down and be like, what's Lisa Barlow going to do? She does it. She does it every single time.
And does it so well. And it's always satisfying.
I just feel so deceived. Literally.
So deceived. The first scene of this is her sitting down to text everyone, I'm really thinking about last night and how I was wronged.
Like, not taking accountability over anything. Not that in that situation she particularly needed to, but like, she goes, I know we're going to talk about it on the way to ATV.
And then she explains she chose ATV because she Googled luxury activities. All that mattered to her was that it was a luxury activity, not that it made sense for them.
I said, that's housewifery. And at the same time, to have a diet of trash.
I mean, this is just, it's. It's a great TV character.
You couldn't write a better person. Yeah.
Unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle. Unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle.
Unless, I thought you were going to say unless her name was Elizabeth. What's her face from Anatomy of Lies? Elizabeth Finch.
Finch. Elizabeth Finch.
She too, you couldn't write. Peacock? Give it up for Peacock.
Do you want to know what else I watched? This is not on Peacock, but I watched... You might love this, actually.
Tell me. Jerry Springer.
Oh, I started it. There's a two episodes thing.
That guy. Not Jerry, but that producer who came in.
I mean, that actually has major implications on the culture. Of course.
Like, it made trash populist. You know what I mean? It revealed the appetite that people would have for tabloidy, sensational types of stuff.
And it's like Roman Coliseum. It's like primal.
It's this thing that like human beings will respond to. Yeah.
That ultimately opens the door to Trump. And it all started with that KKK episode.
Insane. And also, I actually didn't know that one of the episodes led to a horrific murder.
Right. And keep watching it because by the end of the second episode, you're like sad.
But I do think there's something about that show that is like important and speaks to the culture and why we're at where we're at. I always viewed Springer as like, I mean, obviously it's like a distressing, troublesome, I'll say the word, even though I'm slightly rolling my eyes, like problematic show.
But I was always comforted by Jerry Springer knew how to like ring it in at the end and be like, this was the message of this episode and take care of yourselves and each

other.

That way to smooth it over at the end.

I mean,

it's,

but it,

it's an important alleviating thing that he understood he had to do at the

end of each.

But then that was his catchphrase when he was a news anchor.

Did not realize he was a professor,

right?

He was like a professor.

He's a fascinating person.

He was, he was a mayor. He was the mayor of, was the mayor of, oh my god, yeah, of that town.
I don't know either, but he had a very interesting background. A Cincinnati, I think.
Right, or something like that. But then he became a host of a daytime show, and it's funny because, I don't know if you've gotten to this point, but they show the first or second episode of his show and it was literally like Oprah.
So milk toast. It was like what everyone else was doing.
Like Phil Donahue. And they were like literally like number 18 of 19 shows in daytime and they were like okay we need to drastically change this.
Let's try this other flavor of programming and then obviously the rest is history. But fascinating.er was like a huge part of my day when i would like when i would like because we didn't have cable as i say and so huge part of my day growing up when i would like stay homesick wow because they would just play it back to back and your parents didn't come in and were like turn this off by the time they got home it was just oh right right right at home or my sister but like you know but we wouldn't be sick at the same time.
I would just be sitting at home. In the summers especially, I would just be at home watching Springer, and then it would go from Springer to Bob Ross.
What a fucking whiplash. I could never get anything past my parents.
Oh, sure. And then randomly, they gave me a TV in my room in high school, and I was like was like okay this is a wild swing left because i was just watching like remember when e you don't remember because you don't have cable but e would show howard stern oh sure this is like the era of annie nicole smith and like howard stern like being on e and so i watched so much garbage and trash like at the time how i filed it away in my brain now i I love Howard Stern because he's rebranded.
But it was just so funny that I was a sheltered person in terms, like they would never, ever allow me to watch South Park. Sure.
Oh, sure, sure, sure. To the point where I started to be afraid of the show.
Oh, because I just never bit in. It was like a trauma.
It was like a trigger whenever it was on. My cousins would watch it.
And I'd be like, I can't watch this. So then were you ever, have you ever been a South Park guy? I should honestly get into it now.
It's pretty amazing. Because I love the movie and I love Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
I know. The movie's amazing and also there are some episodes of South Park that are like just pure brilliant comedy.
Yeah. But at the time because it was like you know the things that they said and like the Kenny dying of it all.
My parents were just like no you can't watch that. Did you ever watch the episode where they have the counter at the bottom of the screen for how many times they say fuck? No.
That's an amazing episode because it just it goes somewhere brilliant. Did you ever watch the V um, the Vagisil episode? No, I've not seen any of it.
Where Cartman, Cartman becomes like a better runner. Was Cartman big for you? This is South Park for me.
Was, I was in the third grade in Canada and me and my friends, I mean, somehow these like, I was able to watch episodes of South Park at home.

My parents were like,

what is this?

Oh,

whatever.

Like they couldn't totally understand why it was vulgar.

Right.

Like a dialogue.

Like there would be vulgar things.

But then,

um,

my friends and I in the third grade,

like these like French Canadian middle-class working class kids,

like,

I guess their parents loved South Park too or something. And they would watch Park at home and then we just all thought we were the South Park kids because we were in a cold town.
There was a weird one-to-one there. Yeah, there was this fat kid and he was like, I'm Cartman.
And then we all loved it so much. And then when I had to move, when I told everyone I was moving to Colorado, they were like, oh my God.
You're going to be South Park. You're going to South Park.
And it was this huge. You were going down to South Park.
I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it.
I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it.
So then going to Colorado with South Park on the brain, it was just like the only thing that made, like the move to Colorado was so complicated by like JonBenet Ramsey and Columbine. But then South Park was this other, like, contour to it where I was like, but at least it's, like, it's where all these weird things happen.
And that is true. Like, Colorado is a weird place.
Like, it has all of, like, the bizarre shit that would go down in Florida, but with, like, this, like, hippy-dippy counterweight to it. I fucking love South Park so much.
And we need to watch some classic episodes. And the movie, one of Sondheim's favorite musicals.
Really? He said that? I feel like we've talked about this on the podcast. I probably know that somewhere on the podcast.
On the record, he's like, that is one of the best musicals, one of the best movie musicals ever. I mean, I'll never forget.
I actually did. Well, I have seen that movie many times because I just, I don't know,

for some reason I've seen the movie a bunch.

I downloaded a lot of the song.

Like, shut your fucking face, Uncle

Fucker. I used to listen to that

all the time, but also

Blame Canada. Robin Williams'

performance of that at the Oscars.

I remember it being unforgettable.

And it's also because

the actress who played

Kyle's mom soon

after the South Park movie came out

Thank you. remember it being unforgettable.
And it's also because the actress who played Kyle's mom soon after the South Park movie came out took her own life. There's a lot of, like, South Park is really, I mean, God, it's still going.
Like, it's such an important piece of culture, literally. And like, it's so funny that we haven't talked about this before on the show.
I think it's because it's a weird,

a blind spot for me.

Yeah. My parents,

my parents,

they weren't helicopter-y,

but they were just sensitive to,

like I couldn't watch MTV and I could not watch South Park.

Uh-huh.

Hard no.

Yeah.

And it literally,

it weirdly made me fill those spaces in with other things.

That's interesting.

That I think does inform the,

the,

my cultural.

VH1,

which was the MTV stand-in.

And then what's the stand-in for South Park

you think? Like, The Simpsons at least?

But I'm not even a Simpsons kid.

What was it? Honestly, I watched a lot

of like...

I watched a lot of Nickelodeon.

I watched a lot of Nickelodeon

and Disney Channel.

Yes. Like, I was...
It's interesting

to see those things get relitigated

because you're like,

oh. Like, you're like,

I'm going to go ahead and get Channel. Yes.
Like I was, it's interesting to see those things get relitigated because you're like, oh, like you're like, absolutely, this is crazy. Right, right, right.
It's interesting. Like children's programming at the time.
You know what I'll say about South Park? At least they weren't pretending to be for kids. Totally.
Like a lot of this other shit that was like explicitly marketed to kids and was all fucked up and really endangering the people, the kids that were performing that stuff. At least that wasn't nefarious.
South Park was what it was. It never pretended to not be.
Totally. I know.
There's a purity to that of intention. And to bring it back to Peacock, great documentary on Peacock.
I thought it was new, but it already apparently came out a couple years ago called I Love You, You Hate Me about Barney. Oh, interesting.
And about the culture of Barney bashing that I didn't really fully know about. But I remember growing up, they're like, oh, it was like cool to hate Barney.
It was like punk rock. Well, because it was so popular.
But not only that, but because it's the, one of the actors from Blue's Clues, they interview him, and he, his theory is the reason there was such a crazy collective anger towards Barney was that it was targeted towards three-year-olds specifically, right? And like the creator of Barney was this mother who wanted a show for her son. Oh, I didn't know that.
And it came in the form of Barney because he was obsessed with dinosaurs. And, I mean, Barney is pure I love you.
You can do anything. We love each other.
The messaging is so smooth-brained and there's no nuance to it. And the guy who's in Blue's Clues was like, all great children's programming has broken people and broken characters in it.
Like Sesame Street, like Burton or, like especially Bert, broken person. Even Oscar the Grouch.
Oh yeah, DP. Broke, like there are these complex emotional.
Cookie is a drug addict. Cookie is a drug addict.
But not no though, you know what I mean? Like children's, when it's done well and it's for the large age demographic, it is these emotionally complex characters. Yeah, that's a really interesting point.
And the same with Big Bird. It's a little bit depressed.
Yeah, he is depressed. There are these layers to it.
Barney was... Clean up.
Pure clean up. Pure like like everything is happy.
And so that drives anyone outside of that age demo insane because they're like, that's not how the world is. And a lot of parents were jealous that their kids loved Barney more than them.
So then it began this entire culture around fuck Barney and like burning Barney effigies. It was a whole thing in the 90s.
This is a great documentary. I have to watch this.
We also have to do our own documentary on the Barney to Emilia Perez pipeline for Selena Gomez. That is Selena's autobiography.
And Demi. Demi Lovato.
Was it Demii Lovato? It was Demi Lovato. Yes.
I think it's really interesting that we're going to... We actually are writing a film about the Barney to Emilia Perez.
About the Barney to Emilia Perez pipeline. Yes.
And how you get from one to the other. I do think Carla Sofia Gascon is incredible.
Extremely versatile performance. Yes.
And demanding performance. love it i think i think she did a cover recently for a magazine where it was like the movie has inspired a lot of love and hate carlos sofia gascon thrives on both it's like that's kind of chic yeah that takes have been very strong on that movie.
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Shall we do I don't think so honey? Let's do I don't think so honey. Here we go.
First, I don't think so honey of the new year. But one thing that hasn't changed is what I don't think so, honey, is.

It's a one-minute segment where we take 60 seconds, which actually is a minute, if you think about it even for more than one second, which is just 1 60th of a minute, where we rant and rave against something in pop culture that we are not jamming on. And I actually, I think I want to put something to bed right here on the episode.
Okay. Here we go.
This is Matt Rogers putting something to bed in his I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. Any more jokes about holding space.
We're done. Oh, sure.
It's a new year. We've turned the page.
Let's turn the page. Literally, Nikki Glaser tore up those Golden Globes.
Yes. We're so proud of you.
She did the last holding space joke. You're not going to beat her.
You can't beat that. You can't beat tonight.
We celebrate movies and hold space for television. That is the last holding space joke.
And now it's becoming a thing where it's like people are like we're holding space and that's taking the space of a joke. Just saying holding space is not a joke.
So we need to really think about do we want to continue this narrative? The answer has to be no. All respect to everyone involved.
It was a fun moment. Oh, so fun.
But holding space jokes are done. 15 seconds.
We are no longer holding space for them. Even that was too much.
No, no, no. You were just using it in a sentence.
No, I don't think so, honey. Any more humor about this because it actually isn't jokes.
It's humor. And I don't think so, honey.
Humor over jokes, hard jokes only. Go, Nikki.
And that's one minute. You put it to bed.
It's done. It's done.
You lowered the casket. Nikki Glaser, we're so proud of you.
We're so proud of you, girl. Congrats on your gig ongoing because they will have you back.
Oh, yeah. You're coming back.
Because that's how it works. Because best case scenario, if you kill at hosting an award show, they go, do it again.
Yeah. And that is kind of great, but also torture.
Shout out, Matt Whitaker wrote on the show. Just so great.
And I have to say, my favorite bit of the whole thing was popular. And that was from the brain of Matt Whitaker.
I love popular. I love when I started.
I love that the bit was, wait, this sucks? What do you mean this sucks? But she sounded good. She rocks.
Nikki. You don't just see Taylor Swift 22 times.
Was it 22? It was 22. You don't just see Taylor that many times and don't have your shit together for your Erez moment.
Of course. And I just love the way Nikki, let's say, justifies going to see the Erez store 22 times.
She's like, I don't have a kid. I don't go to nice restaurants.
I don't buy handbags or luxury clothes. I go to Erez.
This is how I choose to spend my money. I went six times.
Go off. Go off to you, my sister.
I went six times. Spend your money however you want to make yourself happy.
And I will continue to do that. As long as other people are not suffering because of that, you're fine.
If you're not gambling your life away, if you're not taking your money for your child, partner, whatever, do whatever you want with it. I took myself to Japan.
Which, you know. And I have no fucking regrets.
No, nor should you. Nor should you ever.
Not ever. Not ever.
And I hope the same is true. After you do this, I don't think so, honey.
I have a kind of specific one, but I think we all have experienced this, and I hope this is legible. That's a bad sign, right? I hope this reads.
You said, I think this is something we've all experienced, and you hope it's legible. I know you're going to do it.
This is Bowen Yanks, I don't think so, honey, as time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Instagram orok ads that are staged as like a fake podcast do you know what i mean do you know what i'm talking about where it's like two people on a mic being like i just tried this new creatine gummy what's it called it's it's so clearly staged it's so clearly actors i don't like it's like i'm learning a new language with this i just first of all i don't like podcasts being used as advertising material, period.

Believe it or not, Matt and I have been

doing this for a long time.

30 seconds. It's so funny to be, it's an interesting

time in podcasting right now, because I would not say you and I

are like podcasters

in the way that like podcasters

denote something now. We're not like

in the manosphere. We're

not quite in like,

I don't know. We're like not quite like a show

biz podcast, but we're not quite like

Thank you. denotes something now.
We're not like in the manosphere. We're not quite in like, I don't know.
We're not quite like a showbiz podcast, but we're not quite like a pop culture comedy podcast anymore. We defy categorization.
We defy categorization. And I don't like it when people use our form and medium to create, to try to sell and shill for bullshit.
And that's one minute. The amount of ads we have to do after this is so crazy.
That's different. That's so that we can keep the lights on for us.
But if someone is aping our shit to fake an organic conversation about how much they love to use a UV phone sanitizer, that's weird to me. My god, all those words.
But you know what I mean? I do.

That's what that's. Well, I just don't like anything fake in any way.
It's like

stupid. It's crazy.

This is a thing. And I know

for a fact that people are

experiencing this on their scrolls.

I'm like, yeah, this is a weird

fucking thing. Why are we pretending that

this is a podcast? Well, probably also

like who knows if it even is actual human beings doing it. Oh! The AI.
We want to say thank you to whoever it was that voted for us to be nominated for the iHeart Podcast of the Year. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Hopefully, we might win a second time.
We We might be like Hillary Swank. Oh my god.
Think about that. Meryl.
Well. I hope that people stop faking.
I really hope people. Do you have any resolutions? I think we're over.
We're too old. Do I have any resolutions? Honestly my resolution I think I had one and then I was like, eh.
It's always like pretty vague. It's like, care less what people think.
Sure. I think I need to keep doing what I'm doing.
Keep doing what you're doing. That's my resolution.
Don't change a thing. I wouldn't change a thing.
Neither would I for you. Honey, my resolution is my year-long project is to make this playlist that I just want to have on while I'm cooking, cleaning, chilling.
Make a life playlist. It's not a life.
It's called my nighttime playlist. And it's like my wind down, like good.
Because I was just in every bar in Japan I was at. And I didn't go to that many, but there was just like, there were so many nights where I would just be like in like, just the most beautifully decorated place.

And the vibes were just sublime.

The music was like an Ella Fitzgerald song or something.

I was just like, oh, I need to like-

Curated.

But I need to like draw this out for my own life.

I need like fun international music.

Not that Ella Fitzgerald is international,

but you know what I mean?

Like it was just like, I just want like music- To live to. Not that L.F.
Estrella is international, but you know what I mean? Like, it was just like, I just want like music

to just literally.

I think there is.

It sounds so silly.

I think there is

a definite chance

that you will create this.

I think there is a definite chance.

We didn't name this episode.

That's kind of beautiful.

What if...

Untitled.

No! Untitled?

Fine. What do we do?

What do we call it?

Throwing Neck. Throwing Neck.

This is episode...

Throwing Neck. Throwing Neck, our

ninth year.

Wow.

As a podcast.

2016, 17, 18, 19, 20, 1, 2, 3, 4.

You have this.

Five. Well, I mean, like, if you, but it has not been a full decade.

Like, it'll be a decade when we hit 2026, March 2026.

We have to throw a big party for our 10-year anniversary.

Where should we have it?

Hooters. I think there is a definite chance that we will have it at Hooters.
Oh my god. That'll be amazing.
The Times Square Hooters. Is there one? I don't know anymore.
There's one in Toronto. We can do that one.
Oh, we could do that. That's a good one.
I think there is a definite chance that we will. Should we call it definite? Should we call this episode definite chance? Or throwing neck? Throwing neck.
Throwing neck. People will love to see that.
Oh. You want me to throw neck? You want me to throw neck? And before anyone jumps on our case, we've given credit to Delta Work a million times for popularizing the phrase.
And we need Delta Work on the podcast. We need Delta Work on the

podcast now.

We need Delta Work,

Demi Moore,

That's it. And Cookie Monster.

And Cookie Monster.

Look for those. Hmm.
I think that's

a good, that's a resolution for us. Look for the heroes.

Look for the helpers. Look for

the helpers. We

end every episode

with a song.

Many years

I'm sorry. Look for the helpers We end Every episode with a song Many years I have Waited For a gift like yours To appear While I predict The wizard may make you His magic Grand vise year my dear my dear

I'll write at once

to the wizard

tell him I love you

in advance

with a talent like

yours there is

a definite

chance if you

work like you

as you should

you'll like you should, as you should, you'll be making good. It is one of the great moments of culture.
That is a moment of culture. Bye.
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